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Welcome to my podcast, Therese Makes History,

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The Dairy Lane Project. My primary sponsor for

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season two is Ian Zanstra, a very experienced

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dairyman on the other side of the river from

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Pyree. Season two would not be happening without

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Ian's support. I'm very grateful he stepped up.

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Thank you, Ian. Season two, episode eight today

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is coming to you. My name is Therese Sweeney

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and I've been engaging residents who dairy farmed

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significant pioneering families during the 20th

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century. Today I'm at Mullers Lane Jasper's Brush.

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Mullers Lane is named after the Muller family.

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They migrated to the Shoalhaven from Prussia

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Germany, in 1855, settling in the back forest

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Kulungata areas. That is, Jacob and his wife

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Anna Hep. They had eight children, the second

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born being John Joseph in 1851, and so made the

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journey with his family, he was four years old.

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John Joseph Muller and Mary Host married in 1886

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at Nowra. Catholic Church. It is believed Mullers

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Lane is named because of John's extensive generosity

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and contribution to community life in the Berry

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region throughout his lifetime. Their fifth child

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Albert Norman was born at Coolingadda. He married

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Bridget Morrissey. at Nowra in 1912. Their son

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Norman Joseph settled on farmland of 152 acres

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in the area now known as Mullers Lane, Jasper's

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Brush. He lived until three months short of 94

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years of age. Norman was born in 1918 and began

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dairy farming on this land in approximately 1939.

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He married Martha Walden. They had five children,

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Mary, Peter, John, Keith and Elizabeth. Peter

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Muller, the eldest son, stayed to farm the land,

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buying it from his father after marrying Rosemary

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Smith in 1968. His father Norman then moved to

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a house on Albany Street, Bury. They had 50 acres

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between the highway and the railway line and

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90 acres up to Broughton Creek. In Norman's time,

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they started with ear shears and jerseys for

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cream, then moved to Friesians when Peter took

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over farming. They had a silo and a walk through

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dairy. They grew crops, corn and saccharine.

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They delivered cream, then milk. to the very

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cooperative, up until bulk tankers collected

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it in the late 60s. Peter sold the farm in 1982,

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as it was not economically viable to continue.

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Peter and Rose had two children, Desmond and

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Jennifer. Mullers Lane, like most lanes, is approved

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by council, usually because the family requests

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it to, based on the case they put forward. You

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may recall Patrick Muller's recording in season

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one in Lamons Lane and their house Pomona which

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they lived in for six generations. Patrick Muller

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and Peter Muller are first cousins and this lane

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was no doubt named after the Mullers because

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of their overall contribution to economy and

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society. From plans I read in the introductory

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episode to Jasper's brush, highlighting the original

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landholders and the date they secured acreage,

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one of which in Jasper's brush in the Muller

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Lane region includes Mark Morton, MLC, who purchased

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32 acres in 1915. He was a prominent politician

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and the son of Henry Morton and they were both

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and significant citizens at the time. His name

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comes up quite a bit for various events held

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at the Jaspers Brush School of Arts and also

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with the Methodist Church. Another landowner

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was William Johnson who had two lots, lot number

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237, 96 acres and lot number 236, 82 acres that

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he purchased in 1914. This brings me to today's

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recording. I'm going to be speaking with Pam

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Coles, former name Hitchcock. Now the Hitchcock

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family migrated to the Shoalhaven in 1850 from

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Devon, England. The patriarch Andrew Hitchcock

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was born in 1806. He was a farmer and with his

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wife Anne Mullet settled in Boria where he died

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in 1888 and his wife passed a decade later. Now

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together they had six children. Their son John

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was 12 when they migrated here and in 1864 he

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married Maria Eisen at Saltwater Creek. He died

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in Bometary in 1929. They had nine children.

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Now the third eldest was Henry born in Budjong

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in 1868 and he began leasing land in the Mullers

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Lane area. In the early 20th century, he married

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Annabella Emery at the Uniting Church in Berry

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in 1897. In my hands, I hold the original land

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title purchased by Henry and it's dated 1912.

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I'm going to read it to you. Henry Hitchcock

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of Jasper's Brush. New. Berry Farmer. Inducement

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of transfer from Alexander Hay and David William

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Roxburgh, number 686838, is now the proprietor

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of that piece of land situated in the municipality

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of Bury, parish of Coolingadda, county of Camden.

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151 acres, lot 235, plan number 6131 and part

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of 1000 acres. which is portion 12 of parish.

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Dated the 15th of November 1912, the land originally

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granted to Alexander Berry by Crown Grant on

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the 9th of October 1838. The land title left

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the family hands in November 1969. Now Henry

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and Annabel had two children, Annie, born in

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1897, and a son, Harvey John. born 1899. The

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children grew up on the farm in Jaspersbrush.

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Harvey married Sylvia Jean Griffiths in the Methodist

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Church, Berry, in 1932. Sylvia was born in 1909

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at Central Tilber, New South Wales. They had

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two girls, Pamela Jean, born in 1936, and Norma

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Joan, born in 1939. Now, Pamela married Arthur

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Barry Coles in 1956. She has four sons, David,

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born in 1958, Anthony, born in 1960, Scott, born

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in 1962, and Grant, born in 1963. And today it

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gives me great pleasure to engage Pamela to discuss

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life in Mullers Lane. She also references some

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photos during our discussion. Well, she's getting

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old and I sort of showed her some photos and

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I think that helped. So what I'm going to do

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is those photos she references will be available

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when I put the podcast up on my website. You

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can flick through. I'll leave it at that. I hope

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you enjoy the recording. You'll hear more of

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me during it. Pam, what year were you born and

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where were you born? I was born in 1936. And

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then when mum and dad's first child died at birth,

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she was strangled I believe with a cord around

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her throat. Yes. Apparently they didn't realise

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the time to save her. The umbilical cord. So

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she wanted to be sure your mother and so you

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went to hospital, is that correct? Yes. So what

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are your parents' full names? Harvey John Hitchcock

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and mum's was Sylvia Jean Griffiths. Do you know

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your grandparents? Yes. Dad's father was Henry,

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my grandmother. Annabella, Mary Jane, Eleanor,

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Charlotte, Emory. Emory. Where did you go after

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Gordon? Were your parents living down here? Yes,

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they're on the farm at Jasper's Brush. I've got

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no idea if we had a address. Post Office box

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for mail. Post Office 124? Mm, Berry. Berry?

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Can you remember the Post Office box? Where was

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it? Where the Thai restaurant is now, that was

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the post office. And they also had the phone

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connect up there, but that board is in the museum.

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Okay, so the original switchboard. You had a

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land title here that you're holding. Is this

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the family's land title of the land? Yes. From

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Henry Hitchcock of Jasper's Brush. What do you

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know of this land title? So you've got... 151

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acres. I think that's the railway, Broughton

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Creek. And do you know what year he purchased

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the land yourself? They leased it until I think

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it was 1908. Was Henry your grandfather? Yes.

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So Henry and his? Annabella Mary -Jane Eleanor

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Sharles. That is a long name. And I never could

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find out. If she was named after anybody, like

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a favourite aunt or anything like that, names

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have never prompt up anywhere else, so I don't

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know how they found all that. Now I want to slow

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it down and I want you to tell me exactly, let's

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go through each name. So Henry's wife, her full

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name. Annabella, Mary, Jane, Eleanor, Charlotte.

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Do you remember your grandparents? Yes. Do you

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know how many cows they were milking? How did

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it all look? Only about 50 or something like

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that. Nothing like they milked down. I mean,

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they've got to milk more now to make a living.

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And that kept two families because after my grandparents

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left there, they went to Rockdale. Half the milk

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check went to them. When did they go to Rockdale?

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I'm not sure. It was after mum and dad were married.

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Yes. But he did farm there? Oh, yes, yes. Do

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you remember, as a young person, your parents...

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to have their own house there, did they? No,

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there was only one house that was grandpa's house.

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No, I would think that they probably went to

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Rockdump fairly close to when they got married.

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How big was the farm? 152 or 3 acres. What were

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you doing as a young person? Well, I went to

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school at Jaspers Brush and firstly we walked

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across our prime. and then across Hallsizers,

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who was next door, and we'd go up their lane

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with the three Hallsizer girls to go to Jesper's

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Brush School. Okay, so you're in the first part

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of Mullers Lane, are you? What we know as Mullers

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Lane today. The Hitchcocks were there first,

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apparently, you're telling me. They were there

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before Mullers, yes, definitely. I mean, we went

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there to lease it. Dad was three, I think, so

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that would have been about 1982. And the first

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people I can think of in... mullers, lay mullers,

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were Skinners. And I can remember them. And George,

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I think it was, had a milk run in Berry. What

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about his wife and kids? Do you know the kids?

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No, I can't remember anything of them really.

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Now the Skinners, all the local residents could

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only remember Don Skinner. The patriarch, George

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Thomas Skinner, was born in 1879 and he was one

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of seven children in Kent, England. He died in

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Belaungara. in 1943. He married Frances Jane

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Snelling known as Sissy back in England. She

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was born in 1898 and she died in Bury here in

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1950. Now all their children were born in Kent,

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England before they migrated. They had three

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boys. Donald Hadley Skinner was the youngest

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and he was born in 1914. Donald passed in 1984.

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The oldest brother George Thomas was born in

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1905 and he passed in Bury in 1974. The middle

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brother Kenneth Gilbert was born in 1908 and

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he passed away in 1986. I've found some press

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articles to substantiate the existence of the

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three sons and the father. In 1934 at the Bury

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show Donald Skinner placed first in the draft

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horse. and A Anderson placed second. Now the

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Anderson Lane is also in Jasper's Brush. It is

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actually the last lane going north that falls

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in the Jasper's Brush category. Kenneth Gilbert

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worked at Jasper's Brush Milk Depot and took

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someone to court for slander and he was paid

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10 pounds in January 1935. He later moved to

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Nauru Milk Co -op in 38. When Dom was a young

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boy, he'd attend the annual picnic day at Jasper's

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Brush. He came second in a boy's race. He also

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held his 21st birthday in 1935, perhaps at the

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School of Arts. Don Skinner married Vera Barham,

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who lived up the road, in 1942. His brother George

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was the best man. His parents, G .T. Skinner,

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were listed as living at Bella Wangara. Do you

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remember the carrier coming with the milk cans?

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No, from our farm we had a truck and we'd take

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it into the Berry Co -op or Mr Muller would take

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it the next day. I can't remember their roster

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but that's how it came in here to the Berry Co

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-op. Can you think of the families that lived

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on Muller's Lane when you were there growing

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up? Nobody, not on the lane. Not on the lane

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from the highway to the railway line, no. They're

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all later. much later. So you were in the lands

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though, weren't you, that they now around Mullers

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somehow? Yes. Were there other farms in the lands

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around that area? Only the skinners. Later on

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there were three blocks taken off our land. One

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was burnt down at one stage. I don't know because

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I haven't been there when it was rebuilt. The

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roadway to go into our place, it was just on

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the left. Then along the railway line, I think

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there are two houses built there, but not in

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our time. So how long were you on the land for?

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Well, I left when I was married and that was

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in 56. Mum left after Dad died. So you've got

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some photos here. Might be easier. Describe...

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when it might have been taken and relating to

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where you were at the time or who that is. That's

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dad and that was taken in Sydney but I don't

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know for why. It was in Hyde Park it says. Yes,

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that's a studio photo. Yes. And your father's

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name again was? Harvey John. Harvey John. How

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many cows was Harvey running there? Oh, I think

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there's only 30 of them. Yes, which is typical,

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a little self -sustained family farm. Two families.

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Two families. Who are the two families? Dad's

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mother and father when they went to Sydney. Okay.

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Do you know how much the cheque was worth? Not

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much. No. What type of cows and did he show them

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or? Oh no, they're just milking cows. That's

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mum and dad's wedding, if that's interesting.

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There's something written on the back of that.

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Leaving on our honeymoon in Brighton -le -Sands,

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1932. No, they were married in the Methodist

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church down here. Barry? Dad was 32 and mum was

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23. And they were married in 32, I think that's

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right. And do you know anybody else in these

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photos? There's a best man. Keep your glasses

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on. I think his name was Arthur Peck, but I wouldn't

00:17:17.390 --> 00:17:20.829
be sure on that. And that's Aunty Mary, mum's

00:17:20.829 --> 00:17:24.210
sister. A -R -I -E. And the man you don't know.

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I think it's Arthur Peck, but I couldn't be positive.

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Is Arthur Peck around here? Was he from here?

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No. He might have been then, but he moved up

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past Wollongong. OK. So you have another sibling

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or... Sister. That is alive? Yes. And what's

00:17:39.029 --> 00:17:42.750
her name? Norma June. And what year was she born?

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I was born 36. She was born in 38, I think. Did

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you both help on the farm? Oh, at times we did.

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I mean, later on, when Dad got sick, I did a

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lot, because Dad wasn't able to get up and help

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Mum milk, and Mum would get me up. So you carried

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the load a bit. How old were you when your Dad

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got sick? I think it was in high school, so I'd

00:18:05.630 --> 00:18:08.420
been a teenager. I'm not, I couldn't be sure.

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That is Annabella Mary -Jane Eleanor Charlotte.

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I'm so glad you found a photo of her. Yes, I

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didn't have any trouble with that. It must have

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been cruel for her to have to write her name

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in full at times. She's your grandmother? Yes.

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Was she from the area? Burial. And where's that?

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South of Naira and in a bit. It's one of the

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first. settlements out that way. Yes, it looked

00:18:34.619 --> 00:18:38.059
like a few came from there. So Jaspersbush Primary,

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we'll just slow it down a bit. Yeah, that's alright.

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Now I've seen photos of you. What year did you

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start there, can you remember? I'd have probably

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been about five. Yes. So that would have been

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about, I was born in 36, that would have been

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about 41. Okay, so 41. Can you remember who was

00:18:55.579 --> 00:18:59.700
in your class? Raymond Strong. He was one. What

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was he like as a kid? He was alright. They were

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the hall size of girls because school was one

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room. Everybody was in there, the one teacher.

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Three hall size of girls. Cross the paddock because

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I'd walk over to them and walk up their lane.

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How do you spell their name, do you know? H -O

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-L -Z -H -A -U -S -E -R. I'm a rotten speller

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but some things I do remember. Where were they

00:19:24.859 --> 00:19:28.500
living? Down O 'Keeffe's Lane. We always had

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shoes. took our lunch. If you've been there,

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there's a driveway up and there's big old beautiful

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trees. And we used to get all the leaves and

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that off the trees and we'd make our house. You

00:19:41.210 --> 00:19:43.690
know what I mean? Just using those as the boundaries.

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So we'd have to go down to our house and sit

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in our kitchen or our dining room to eat our

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lunch. That was your imagination. Yes. Do you

00:19:53.049 --> 00:19:57.980
ever recall the ferry or the wharf in O 'Keeffe's

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Lane in your time? No. There were no houses then

00:20:02.700 --> 00:20:06.599
from the railway line up to the highway. You're

00:20:06.599 --> 00:20:09.259
talking about just the general line? Yes. Until

00:20:09.259 --> 00:20:12.319
you get to Jasper's Brush? Yes, there was a station

00:20:12.319 --> 00:20:14.599
there and the train used to stop. Do you ever

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remember getting the train from Jasper's Brush?

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No, I don't think we, no, no, I'm sure we didn't.

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Do you ever remember making butter? Oh yes, yes.

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Why don't you tell me a bit about that and what

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would happen? Well, we'd have a glass container

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like this and you'd put cream in there, so you

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had the turn which turned the paddles underneath.

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So what are we talking about? We've got a cream

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separator, have you? That would be part of the

00:20:43.430 --> 00:20:46.549
dairy. Yeah. You couldn't take too much off it

00:20:46.549 --> 00:20:49.970
because they'd lower the... Milk fat. Yes. But

00:20:49.970 --> 00:20:52.329
we'd just put it in all this thing and... turn

00:20:52.329 --> 00:20:54.309
the handle until it's set, then we put it in

00:20:54.309 --> 00:20:56.930
something, then we pat it into something, squirt,

00:20:57.029 --> 00:21:00.089
just keep it in the oz chest. Was it just for

00:21:00.089 --> 00:21:03.349
family use? Yes. Because you had a small dairy

00:21:03.349 --> 00:21:07.089
herd, it was self -sufficient. You had milk,

00:21:08.029 --> 00:21:11.789
you drank the milk? Yes. Every afternoon after

00:21:11.789 --> 00:21:14.630
school, my sister and I would go down to the

00:21:14.630 --> 00:21:18.710
dairy, we always had a mug down there, we'd squirt

00:21:18.710 --> 00:21:21.519
the hot milk into the mug and drink it. Turns

00:21:21.519 --> 00:21:24.279
my stomach to think about it. But it didn't at

00:21:24.279 --> 00:21:27.720
the time, did it? No, no. So you'd squirt the

00:21:27.720 --> 00:21:29.859
teat, you'd get the teat and squirt it in yourself?

00:21:30.119 --> 00:21:32.119
Yes, yeah. Did you have to do it your sister's

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or did she do it herself? She did it herself.

00:21:35.839 --> 00:21:38.839
As I can remember it. What's it looking like,

00:21:38.839 --> 00:21:41.279
the milk factory at Berry? If you went across

00:21:41.279 --> 00:21:45.039
the paddocks, there was skinners or hitchcocks,

00:21:45.579 --> 00:21:48.119
whatever, crouches, there was any of them. They

00:21:48.119 --> 00:21:52.279
came from Wharf Road. along the river and buffered

00:21:52.279 --> 00:21:56.579
into our place. We went right to the river, Broughton

00:21:56.579 --> 00:22:00.480
Creek, and Mullers went from over the railway

00:22:00.480 --> 00:22:04.680
line, our boundary was the railway line, Mullers

00:22:04.680 --> 00:22:06.900
went over it but they didn't go to the creek.

00:22:07.240 --> 00:22:10.539
So you may have got some floods there? Oh yes.

00:22:11.019 --> 00:22:14.500
The water came up to just below the dairy. The

00:22:14.500 --> 00:22:17.740
house was here, the dairy, then there was a downslope

00:22:17.740 --> 00:22:19.440
and that's where the flood would always stop.

00:22:19.660 --> 00:22:22.200
So the cows, they had some higher ground or did

00:22:22.200 --> 00:22:25.500
they? Yes, cows are very, they can sense a flood

00:22:25.500 --> 00:22:28.240
before anybody else could and they would always

00:22:28.240 --> 00:22:30.900
come up. If we knew there was a flood coming

00:22:30.900 --> 00:22:33.380
and Dad wasn't too bad at it either, he'd go

00:22:33.380 --> 00:22:36.440
down and open all the slip rails so they could

00:22:36.440 --> 00:22:39.240
come right up to that bottom of the barrels or

00:22:39.240 --> 00:22:43.049
even up into that. With the dairy itself? We

00:22:43.049 --> 00:22:45.670
had bales. Oh, bales. You didn't have any walk

00:22:45.670 --> 00:22:48.009
-throughs? Oh, that's way ahead of your time.

00:22:48.089 --> 00:22:50.670
Sorry, I'm getting ahead of myself. No, they'd

00:22:50.670 --> 00:22:52.869
just walk into a set of bales. That's it, yeah.

00:22:53.250 --> 00:22:57.549
And we'd put the cups on the cows and they'd

00:22:57.549 --> 00:23:01.410
go out the door at their head. So how many bales?

00:23:02.069 --> 00:23:05.970
Four, maybe five. Did you have to tie their legs

00:23:05.970 --> 00:23:09.670
or one leg? One leg. If the cow was a bit...

00:23:09.680 --> 00:23:12.480
Jumpy, yes, some of them you didn't, you didn't

00:23:12.480 --> 00:23:14.799
have to, they'd just stand there. And you'd be

00:23:14.799 --> 00:23:18.339
on a stool? Yes, to hook them. Into a bucket?

00:23:18.660 --> 00:23:22.539
Yes. A cooling system? Yes, very old -fashioned

00:23:22.539 --> 00:23:26.619
to now. We put it into a vat. Yes. From the bales

00:23:26.619 --> 00:23:29.640
into a vat and then it went from there into the

00:23:29.640 --> 00:23:32.980
cans. Yeah, sort of cool over something and go

00:23:32.980 --> 00:23:35.099
into a can. Yes, we had a bit of a cooler. Then

00:23:35.099 --> 00:23:37.299
we'd put the cans on the truck and drive them

00:23:37.299 --> 00:23:39.880
in. into, bury you over to mother's, whatever.

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So how many cans are you doing twice a day? Oh,

00:23:44.420 --> 00:23:47.400
this is a wild guess. Maybe four, maybe five.

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Did you have them coloured or your name on it?

00:23:49.740 --> 00:23:52.720
No, often you had, I can't remember that ours

00:23:52.720 --> 00:23:55.200
did, but often some of them would have a plaque

00:23:55.200 --> 00:23:58.420
on it and it would have Hitchcock or Muller or

00:23:58.420 --> 00:24:00.119
Skinner or something like that. I don't think

00:24:00.119 --> 00:24:02.940
ours did. Or some of them would paint the handle

00:24:02.940 --> 00:24:06.480
on the lid too. But not you? I don't remember

00:24:06.480 --> 00:24:08.579
it, no. Well, how do they get fed after they

00:24:08.579 --> 00:24:12.839
milk? Just go into a paddock. Okay, no feed stalls?

00:24:13.579 --> 00:24:19.079
No. No silo? No. We'd cut it and make bales out

00:24:19.079 --> 00:24:22.559
of it and store the bales or make hay sheds and

00:24:22.559 --> 00:24:25.119
nuggets and faloes. We're not talking tractors,

00:24:25.119 --> 00:24:29.160
are we? We had a tractor in the end. I can't

00:24:29.160 --> 00:24:31.980
do it in the end, but it was all in my hand when

00:24:31.980 --> 00:24:34.680
I was a kid. So you're the tallest girl there

00:24:34.680 --> 00:24:38.819
on the... Here down here. That's is that you

00:24:38.819 --> 00:24:41.960
on top of the stack? Yeah, that'd be me, that'd

00:24:41.960 --> 00:24:44.440
be Norma and that'd be mum and the same up here.

00:24:44.759 --> 00:24:48.960
That's dad there. That's mum, me and Norma. These

00:24:48.960 --> 00:24:52.500
are quite high mounds. I don't know if I've ever

00:24:52.500 --> 00:24:55.720
seen any that high. Well, all we did was with

00:24:55.720 --> 00:24:58.619
a fork build them up. You had to make sure it

00:24:58.619 --> 00:25:01.660
was dry. Have you got the slide on it or what?

00:25:02.000 --> 00:25:04.660
I think the bales probably came later. Oh, okay.

00:25:04.700 --> 00:25:07.859
So how are you? Doring this. Just like that.

00:25:08.039 --> 00:25:11.599
I think sometimes they'd put a tarpaulin over

00:25:11.599 --> 00:25:14.640
them if it got very blowy or something like that.

00:25:14.700 --> 00:25:17.000
Isn't that great? I don't know, I haven't seen

00:25:17.000 --> 00:25:21.000
this so much. I've seen it at Camden Park where

00:25:21.000 --> 00:25:22.740
they're in the middle of the paddock and they're

00:25:22.740 --> 00:25:25.559
actually might be chaff cutting in the paddock.

00:25:25.920 --> 00:25:29.180
No, I know we used to bring it up on the slide

00:25:29.180 --> 00:25:32.920
and just throw it up to make, yes. Yeah, like

00:25:32.920 --> 00:25:37.279
just whoop it up. They probably use the ladder

00:25:37.279 --> 00:25:40.220
to do the top bits. So this is your makeshift

00:25:40.220 --> 00:25:42.779
silo, really, isn't it? It's that open air silo.

00:25:43.000 --> 00:25:45.720
Open air one, yes. I love that. They are really

00:25:45.720 --> 00:25:48.819
important. So this is you, is it, here? Yeah,

00:25:48.839 --> 00:25:52.759
I'm sitting. For a change. Yes. We were rather

00:25:52.759 --> 00:25:54.640
dressed for something. Look at the shoes and

00:25:54.640 --> 00:25:57.359
stuff. You might have been going to church. Probably

00:25:57.359 --> 00:26:00.079
a thought, yes. So what do you call these? Haystacks?

00:26:00.380 --> 00:26:03.059
Haystacks. I'm just putting the stuff here that

00:26:03.059 --> 00:26:05.839
I'm making notes of to take away and scan for

00:26:05.839 --> 00:26:08.420
you. So here you dress quite well. Did your mum

00:26:08.420 --> 00:26:10.599
make your clothes? She did a lot. And there's

00:26:10.599 --> 00:26:13.059
you on a horse? There's Darby and something and

00:26:13.059 --> 00:26:15.160
I cannot think of the other. So what's in the

00:26:15.160 --> 00:26:17.599
background here? What's that? That's part of

00:26:17.599 --> 00:26:20.740
the house. It had a laundry unit I can remember

00:26:20.740 --> 00:26:24.180
one stage but in the end I can't really remember

00:26:24.180 --> 00:26:27.279
it but dad built a shed there and he grew orchids.

00:26:27.559 --> 00:26:30.319
hot house perhaps later and there's a dog here

00:26:30.319 --> 00:26:32.660
oh yes there'd always be a dog around you don't

00:26:32.660 --> 00:26:35.660
know that little dog no you can only see it's

00:26:35.660 --> 00:26:39.160
backside so this is a draft horse yes you're

00:26:39.160 --> 00:26:41.660
going we had two we were just going for a ride

00:26:41.660 --> 00:26:44.480
there so but you're going for a ride with no

00:26:44.480 --> 00:26:48.440
equipment so come off it isn't it great i mean

00:26:48.440 --> 00:26:52.650
how old are you there five six Yes, I would have

00:26:52.650 --> 00:26:54.950
been. Noah was younger, a couple of years younger.

00:26:55.190 --> 00:26:58.170
What church did you go to? Is it the Methodist

00:26:58.170 --> 00:27:02.069
Church? Yes, it was Methodist United now. In

00:27:02.069 --> 00:27:05.329
Berry? Yep. So you did most of your things in

00:27:05.329 --> 00:27:08.230
Berry, did you? Oh, yes. I wonder how they met,

00:27:08.269 --> 00:27:12.150
your parents? In church. Because mum was 16 when

00:27:12.150 --> 00:27:15.069
she came to Berry, and they met at church functions.

00:27:15.410 --> 00:27:18.490
Church books, he made their fair days in. You

00:27:18.490 --> 00:27:20.500
see, there wasn't much of a... Entertainment

00:27:20.500 --> 00:27:23.819
outside churches then? No. Then we got a picture

00:27:23.819 --> 00:27:26.619
theatre, but this is jumping ahead. And Mr Muller

00:27:26.619 --> 00:27:30.160
would sometimes bring us in. So tell me about

00:27:30.160 --> 00:27:32.720
where your mum was living. When they came to

00:27:32.720 --> 00:27:35.980
Berry, her father was a butcher. Your grandfather

00:27:35.980 --> 00:27:38.660
had a butcher shop? Yes, he had two in Berry.

00:27:39.119 --> 00:27:42.900
And where were they located? One with the house

00:27:42.900 --> 00:27:45.960
near it was in Queen Street, where Atkins has

00:27:45.960 --> 00:27:49.160
lived in the house. Somewhere around the bottom

00:27:49.160 --> 00:27:53.640
end of IGA. Yes. And then they had a shop there,

00:27:53.640 --> 00:27:56.579
but then they also had a butcher shop up this

00:27:56.579 --> 00:27:59.619
next block up. There's the hotel on the corner,

00:28:00.359 --> 00:28:03.279
two -story house and then there's a shop. There's

00:28:03.279 --> 00:28:06.000
a couple of shops. Yes, there's a butcher shop

00:28:06.000 --> 00:28:07.720
there and they're in there. I've got a photo.

00:28:08.480 --> 00:28:12.359
Was he slaughtering them there? No. I think the

00:28:12.359 --> 00:28:14.940
slaughter, or it was, I don't know, in that time

00:28:14.940 --> 00:28:17.500
out along Beach Road. In the main street there

00:28:17.500 --> 00:28:20.980
was a milk bar which was then owned by Mr and

00:28:20.980 --> 00:28:24.240
Mrs Bellis. And we'd go in there every Sunday

00:28:24.240 --> 00:28:27.019
on the way half and jerk and get two shillings

00:28:27.019 --> 00:28:31.440
worth of fruit in a bag about this height. So

00:28:31.440 --> 00:28:33.599
they had a, are you saying a fruit shop? Yeah,

00:28:33.640 --> 00:28:36.519
a milk bar and fruit, veggies. I didn't hear

00:28:36.519 --> 00:28:40.630
the name. Bellis, B -E -L -A -S. Did you go to

00:28:40.630 --> 00:28:43.930
Sunday school then? Yeah. All the time? Yeah.

00:28:44.250 --> 00:28:48.549
Who was your person that taught? Marge Thompson

00:28:48.549 --> 00:28:51.089
would have been one. I lived out of Broughton

00:28:51.089 --> 00:28:54.230
Village. Do you remember a horse and cart? We

00:28:54.230 --> 00:28:57.329
never had one, but I can remember a little bit

00:28:57.329 --> 00:29:00.450
further out into Jesper's Brush there were two

00:29:00.450 --> 00:29:03.430
ladies. Culligan, I think their names were. Always

00:29:03.430 --> 00:29:06.470
dressed in black. While we were waiting for the

00:29:06.470 --> 00:29:08.569
bus to go to Narrah High School, they'd come

00:29:08.569 --> 00:29:11.700
trotting along. carrying this little case, which

00:29:11.700 --> 00:29:13.960
held two pounds of butter. And they'd go down

00:29:13.960 --> 00:29:16.000
to the factory, get their butter and walk home.

00:29:16.460 --> 00:29:20.200
And they were older to you? Oh, yes. Okay, older

00:29:20.200 --> 00:29:23.579
women, a bit grand, were they? No, they weren't

00:29:23.579 --> 00:29:27.259
the grandy, biggish ladies, but they just had

00:29:27.259 --> 00:29:29.779
their head down and off they went. And I think

00:29:29.779 --> 00:29:32.559
their house went when they built the school of

00:29:32.559 --> 00:29:35.200
arts there. The original milk factory was on

00:29:35.200 --> 00:29:39.109
the corner of where files live. Station Lane.

00:29:39.329 --> 00:29:42.670
Station Lane. When we were younger, you could

00:29:42.670 --> 00:29:44.930
see some ruins of it. I don't know whether they'd

00:29:44.930 --> 00:29:48.369
be there now. You go to the dances? Oh yes, there's

00:29:48.369 --> 00:29:51.390
always somebody. And Mrs. Keefe used to boil

00:29:51.390 --> 00:29:55.250
a copper outside for coffee and tea. This is

00:29:55.250 --> 00:29:57.109
getting off just as preferable. That's alright.

00:29:58.490 --> 00:30:00.910
Supper. Oh yeah. Had to take a plate for supper.

00:30:01.410 --> 00:30:07.029
At the dance hall. Apparently you were all taught.

00:30:07.130 --> 00:30:10.470
where the name Jasper's brush came from. And

00:30:10.470 --> 00:30:13.289
you said to me, I think it was an Aboriginal

00:30:13.289 --> 00:30:17.630
name. That's what I can remember it was. Any

00:30:17.630 --> 00:30:20.670
more than that can you remember? No. Why did

00:30:20.670 --> 00:30:23.109
that come to you as that? For some reason, I

00:30:23.109 --> 00:30:26.150
just remembered it as that. Yeah. And at school,

00:30:26.609 --> 00:30:29.150
one afternoon a week, Mr. Williams would take

00:30:29.150 --> 00:30:31.910
the, he was a great man for woodwork, and he'd

00:30:31.910 --> 00:30:35.059
take the bullies over to his shed. How we trusted

00:30:35.059 --> 00:30:37.619
any of those kids with his good equipment I would

00:30:37.619 --> 00:30:40.740
not know. And Mrs Williams would come over to

00:30:40.740 --> 00:30:43.579
the school room for the girls to teach sewing.

00:30:43.680 --> 00:30:45.759
We had to do samples and that sort of thing.

00:30:45.920 --> 00:30:49.759
What was she like? A lady. Needle work. Yes.

00:30:49.980 --> 00:30:53.200
What about your sports days? Did you have picnics?

00:30:53.420 --> 00:30:56.180
Yes, there was a pathway from where they walked

00:30:56.180 --> 00:30:59.240
from the house to the school. We'd play rounders

00:30:59.240 --> 00:31:02.619
on that. And at the side of the school there

00:31:02.619 --> 00:31:05.680
were two... wooden posts with a bar across it

00:31:05.680 --> 00:31:08.519
and we'd do flips over that and all that sort

00:31:08.519 --> 00:31:11.559
of thing. I mean sport then wasn't like it is

00:31:11.559 --> 00:31:15.519
now. Now Pam, don't sell yourself too short because

00:31:15.519 --> 00:31:18.200
I've done a bit of research on some of these

00:31:18.200 --> 00:31:23.059
picnic days. Now I know that young Don Skinner

00:31:23.059 --> 00:31:28.000
was pretty good in 1935. He came second in his

00:31:28.000 --> 00:31:32.769
boys race at Jasper's Brush Picnic Day. And Mrs

00:31:32.769 --> 00:31:36.670
Skinner wasn't bad either. Mrs D Skinner, Dawn's

00:31:36.670 --> 00:31:41.069
wife, she placed second in 1944's picnic day

00:31:41.069 --> 00:31:45.210
in the married women's race because your mother

00:31:45.210 --> 00:31:49.450
placed first. You may not recall this but in

00:31:49.450 --> 00:31:53.589
the 44 picnic race you won yours Pam, your eight

00:31:53.589 --> 00:31:56.549
to ten year old girls race and you also won the

00:31:56.549 --> 00:32:00.619
potato race. And your sister came second in her

00:32:00.619 --> 00:32:03.259
race, six to eight year olds I think it was.

00:32:03.480 --> 00:32:07.180
But one of the big highlights was Mrs. Anderson,

00:32:07.599 --> 00:32:13.099
Mrs. E Anderson in 1935. She won the married

00:32:13.099 --> 00:32:15.960
women's race that year. There was a daughter

00:32:15.960 --> 00:32:19.140
of hers came second in the girls race. But here's

00:32:19.140 --> 00:32:23.740
the big highlight. She placed first in the broom

00:32:23.740 --> 00:32:28.059
throwing competition. She threw at 58 feet. 10

00:32:28.059 --> 00:32:31.019
inches. So I'm figuring she might have thrown

00:32:31.019 --> 00:32:34.119
that like a javelin. Not quite sure. She's not

00:32:34.119 --> 00:32:37.319
around to tell the tale, but that's a bit of

00:32:37.319 --> 00:32:40.880
the Andersons history for you. Before my time

00:32:40.880 --> 00:32:44.019
even, there had been a tennis court there on

00:32:44.019 --> 00:32:47.319
the side, but then it was turned into a horse

00:32:47.319 --> 00:32:50.140
thing because a lot of kids rode their horses

00:32:50.140 --> 00:32:53.779
to school. Went into a paddock virtually. We

00:32:53.779 --> 00:32:56.470
used to swim down on the creek. Jaspers Creek.

00:32:56.809 --> 00:33:00.230
There was a path from the school down the bank

00:33:00.230 --> 00:33:02.210
to that and there was just a plank because every

00:33:02.210 --> 00:33:04.250
time there was a flood the plank went, we had

00:33:04.250 --> 00:33:07.690
to find it and bring it back. Kids going down

00:33:07.690 --> 00:33:10.809
a cliff slope, they'd use that to come to school.

00:33:11.309 --> 00:33:14.029
What were you thinking at school? Were you a

00:33:14.029 --> 00:33:17.410
happy kid? Yes, I enjoyed school. I mean we were

00:33:17.410 --> 00:33:21.430
such a small school, everybody knew everybody.

00:33:22.679 --> 00:33:24.740
Somebody forgot their lunch, somebody would give

00:33:24.740 --> 00:33:26.539
it to them, and you know, all that sort of thing.

00:33:26.819 --> 00:33:30.220
Was that your world? Yes, it was really. And

00:33:30.220 --> 00:33:32.259
we did have, I think it was at Christmas time,

00:33:32.339 --> 00:33:35.339
we'd have a book -giving thing, and that was

00:33:35.339 --> 00:33:37.920
in the School of Arts. So you'd get a book, would

00:33:37.920 --> 00:33:42.039
you? Everyone? Yes, I think so, yeah. We did

00:33:42.039 --> 00:33:46.539
have, you know how they have libraries now. We'd

00:33:46.539 --> 00:33:50.039
have a big box about this, this and this. It'd

00:33:50.039 --> 00:33:52.400
come every so often full of books. And you could

00:33:52.400 --> 00:33:55.539
keep it for so long, read them all or some of

00:33:55.539 --> 00:33:57.559
them or whatever, and then it'd go to another

00:33:57.559 --> 00:34:00.000
school. So that might have been a Department

00:34:00.000 --> 00:34:02.279
of Education thing. I would think so. I would

00:34:02.279 --> 00:34:03.980
think so. Because you probably didn't have a

00:34:03.980 --> 00:34:07.579
library. No. Didn't know what they were. What

00:34:07.579 --> 00:34:10.420
do you miss about the old ways, you know, the

00:34:10.420 --> 00:34:16.260
old town? Oh, yes. It's so much bigger. Now,

00:34:16.500 --> 00:34:19.380
in my day, the main street was the main. I think

00:34:19.380 --> 00:34:23.039
both pubs were there, and there was a... We used

00:34:23.039 --> 00:34:26.099
to live where the day nut ban is. That was our

00:34:26.099 --> 00:34:28.579
house, too. Did you lease that, or did you own

00:34:28.579 --> 00:34:30.980
that house? Barry owned it. And then there was...

00:34:30.980 --> 00:34:32.840
That's your husband. Yes. We haven't got to him

00:34:32.840 --> 00:34:36.460
yet. I will. No, I think we just took it for

00:34:36.460 --> 00:34:40.579
granted. Where the BP service station is, and

00:34:40.579 --> 00:34:43.840
on this side, there were vacant blocks. and we'd

00:34:43.840 --> 00:34:47.219
have a circus would come every year, because

00:34:47.219 --> 00:34:49.300
that was a big excitement to go to the circus.

00:34:49.820 --> 00:34:51.940
And there was a big field there almost, was there

00:34:51.940 --> 00:34:54.280
land, vacant land? Yes, there were big blocks.

00:34:54.599 --> 00:34:57.460
Well Lily, you see, this block's the same. I

00:34:57.460 --> 00:34:59.880
don't think it'd be any bigger than this. All

00:34:59.880 --> 00:35:01.980
this side are the biggest, they're part of the

00:35:01.980 --> 00:35:05.039
old subdivision. Yes. And this is, all these

00:35:05.039 --> 00:35:08.900
here are big blocks, because you go to Huntingdale.

00:35:09.639 --> 00:35:11.940
Yes. That's where you are, isn't it? I mean,

00:35:12.079 --> 00:35:16.059
your lane, yes. So where did you meet your husband?

00:35:16.739 --> 00:35:19.699
You went to high school. What were you thinking?

00:35:19.920 --> 00:35:22.000
What were you learning at high school? And did

00:35:22.000 --> 00:35:25.480
you want to keep working? Or what was the norm?

00:35:26.019 --> 00:35:28.940
I was just going to say, in those days, girls

00:35:28.940 --> 00:35:31.699
either became nurses or school teachers or worked

00:35:31.699 --> 00:35:33.820
in a shop. A lot of them just got a job in the

00:35:33.820 --> 00:35:35.619
bank, or dad got the job in the bank for me.

00:35:35.840 --> 00:35:39.420
I mean, there's no thought of going to university

00:35:39.420 --> 00:35:42.480
or anything like that. And what bank were you

00:35:42.480 --> 00:35:45.019
working in? Commercial banking company, Sydney

00:35:45.019 --> 00:35:47.579
Limit. And we had to say the whole bank lot every

00:35:47.579 --> 00:35:49.800
time because there was a commercial bank of Australia.

00:35:50.480 --> 00:35:53.440
Don't get them mixed up. Where was that located?

00:35:54.099 --> 00:35:56.139
Where it still is now, but it's been rebuilt.

00:35:56.380 --> 00:35:58.840
It used to be like the, this was in Nauru, sorry.

00:35:58.860 --> 00:36:03.380
In Nauru you worked? Yes. On the corner of Keighorn

00:36:03.380 --> 00:36:06.820
and Junction Street. Did you meet your husband,

00:36:06.900 --> 00:36:09.519
and what did he do? He came as a painter, and

00:36:09.519 --> 00:36:12.739
he came out to paint something at home. That's

00:36:12.739 --> 00:36:16.519
what happened. You started dating, did you? Yes,

00:36:16.519 --> 00:36:20.400
yeah. What was his name? Arthur Barry Coles,

00:36:20.420 --> 00:36:22.940
what he was called, Barry, because his father

00:36:22.940 --> 00:36:26.019
was Arthur. This is getting a bit away. He had

00:36:26.019 --> 00:36:29.420
heart bypass surgery twice, and he'd come out

00:36:29.420 --> 00:36:31.880
of the, I'd spoken to the surgeon as he came

00:36:31.880 --> 00:36:34.460
out, and then I went in, and they were cooking.

00:36:35.010 --> 00:36:37.449
and calling him Arthur, only because he didn't

00:36:37.449 --> 00:36:40.090
react to it. And I said to the doctor, I said,

00:36:40.210 --> 00:36:42.349
look, he doesn't react to Arthur because he's

00:36:42.349 --> 00:36:44.530
always become Barry. He said Barry and it was

00:36:44.530 --> 00:36:47.789
like that. When were you married? Where? When

00:36:47.789 --> 00:36:51.550
and where? 5th of May, 56 down here. And have

00:36:51.550 --> 00:36:55.750
you had children? Four children, four boys. So

00:36:55.750 --> 00:36:58.610
thinking of your grandfather, did he come out

00:36:58.610 --> 00:37:01.449
from where? Hitchcock grandfather? He came from

00:37:01.449 --> 00:37:05.199
England. OK, so he came from England to? Probably

00:37:05.199 --> 00:37:08.659
Burrier. Burrier? Your dad got crook though,

00:37:08.780 --> 00:37:11.199
didn't he? Yes, I can't remember just when, how

00:37:11.199 --> 00:37:14.480
old he was. But he had emphysema. He smoked?

00:37:14.719 --> 00:37:17.480
He smoked all his life. Well in those days it

00:37:17.480 --> 00:37:20.420
was encouraged. Did he ever have to go to war

00:37:20.420 --> 00:37:23.340
or anything? No, he was on the farm. Now you've

00:37:23.340 --> 00:37:25.760
got a photograph here of? Yeah, that's all of

00:37:25.760 --> 00:37:28.739
us. We were all in the band. We were in Berry

00:37:28.739 --> 00:37:31.679
to start with. Berry didn't want him anymore

00:37:31.679 --> 00:37:34.179
because they used to have a band contest every

00:37:34.179 --> 00:37:38.760
year. It was between Kiama, Berry, Milton and

00:37:38.760 --> 00:37:41.360
Bega. Every year we went to one of those places.

00:37:42.440 --> 00:37:45.500
Anyhow, they reckon Dad pushed them too hard

00:37:45.500 --> 00:37:48.119
to practice because it was a competition. So

00:37:48.119 --> 00:37:50.739
we left and we went to Kiama, but I can't remember.

00:37:50.900 --> 00:37:54.420
No, this is Kiama. He took over them for quite

00:37:54.420 --> 00:37:57.900
a while. How did you learn your instruments and

00:37:57.900 --> 00:38:01.340
how often would you practice? Berry, we practiced

00:38:01.340 --> 00:38:04.219
every Monday. It's quite a good band down there,

00:38:04.219 --> 00:38:06.639
but it's not a brass band, it's more a jazz band.

00:38:06.719 --> 00:38:10.719
They are good, and we just come in by car. Then

00:38:10.719 --> 00:38:13.219
when we went to Kaima, I think it might have

00:38:13.219 --> 00:38:15.340
still been Monday, and we'd have to drive up

00:38:15.340 --> 00:38:17.679
to there. And what would you be playing for?

00:38:18.059 --> 00:38:21.500
Would you play at concerts or...? No, if there

00:38:21.500 --> 00:38:24.539
was a march, like, take Anzac March, we'd do

00:38:24.539 --> 00:38:26.739
the, when we were with Kaima, or when we were

00:38:26.739 --> 00:38:28.900
in Bury, we'd do the Bury one, but when we went

00:38:28.900 --> 00:38:32.860
to Kaima, we did... Kiama, Jambiru, Albion Park

00:38:32.860 --> 00:38:35.880
and I think they were all the Sunday before because

00:38:35.880 --> 00:38:38.940
so many went to the big march in Sydney and we

00:38:38.940 --> 00:38:42.179
went to it twice. First time we started at the

00:38:42.179 --> 00:38:45.119
Cenotaph and that was all right. Second time

00:38:45.119 --> 00:38:48.119
we started it down at the Quay and we had to

00:38:48.119 --> 00:38:50.300
march up Macquarie Street playing our instruments

00:38:50.300 --> 00:38:55.679
and I think we nearly all died the next day.

00:38:57.500 --> 00:39:01.000
And locally you'd play, is it just for Anzac

00:39:01.000 --> 00:39:03.840
Day? Oh no, any march that was on. Sometimes

00:39:03.840 --> 00:39:06.340
we'd play in the street in front of Waddells.

00:39:06.579 --> 00:39:09.579
But anything was on, we always played. And what

00:39:09.579 --> 00:39:13.119
instrument are you playing? Trombone. Your sister?

00:39:13.760 --> 00:39:17.840
Corner. Mum's playing a flugelhorn and Dad plays

00:39:17.840 --> 00:39:21.659
a quarter. Dad was playing a quarter. What did

00:39:21.659 --> 00:39:23.599
you think of the instrument? Did you handle it

00:39:23.599 --> 00:39:27.349
well? Oh, I just like music. And when we were

00:39:27.349 --> 00:39:30.230
at Berry, because we were much younger, while

00:39:30.230 --> 00:39:32.590
they were in practicing we'd often sleep in the

00:39:32.590 --> 00:39:38.289
car just outside. Or later on, I loved the kettle

00:39:38.289 --> 00:39:41.289
drum there too. But we used to go inside once

00:39:41.289 --> 00:39:44.309
we were old enough to blew something. Where was

00:39:44.309 --> 00:39:47.769
the practice held? In the front room of the Agricultural

00:39:47.769 --> 00:39:50.869
Hall, corner of the show ground, across from

00:39:50.869 --> 00:39:53.730
the courthouse. It must have been lovely to play

00:39:53.730 --> 00:39:57.000
with the family. Yes, it was. But in those days,

00:39:57.039 --> 00:40:00.820
that's what happened. I've still got one of Dad's

00:40:00.820 --> 00:40:03.420
batons, and Norma got the other one. I've still

00:40:03.420 --> 00:40:06.559
got his cornet in there too. So he would conduct.

00:40:07.260 --> 00:40:09.920
Where did he learn his music? By ear, I think.

00:40:10.460 --> 00:40:15.639
Most of you would have learnt by ear. Trombone's

00:40:15.639 --> 00:40:18.780
harder. Is that what you're playing? Yes. Well,

00:40:18.780 --> 00:40:21.260
of course it is. You're playing it. Don't be

00:40:21.260 --> 00:40:24.360
silly. Well, a cornet or any of those others

00:40:24.360 --> 00:40:28.039
have got three fingers on the top and you press

00:40:28.039 --> 00:40:29.960
them in. You've got a bit of movement going.

00:40:29.960 --> 00:40:31.780
Yes, but you've got to get that movement spot

00:40:31.780 --> 00:40:34.480
on or you're out of tune. Yes. So you've got

00:40:34.480 --> 00:40:36.940
to have a pretty good ear. Pretty good. So you're

00:40:36.940 --> 00:40:39.820
pretty good. No, I wouldn't say that. Oh well,

00:40:39.940 --> 00:40:42.900
you had a go. Yes. Was your father pleased with

00:40:42.900 --> 00:40:48.619
you and your mum? Or they scold you? No. I wasn't

00:40:48.619 --> 00:40:51.400
the favourite out of the two. Norman was mum's

00:40:51.400 --> 00:40:53.739
favourite and I think dad was mine. Everybody

00:40:53.739 --> 00:40:58.699
told me that, so I don't see. C, F, G, D, I think,

00:40:58.699 --> 00:41:00.940
and I can't remember. I have to be one of the

00:41:00.940 --> 00:41:05.139
base ones. And there's a photo here. That's grandpa

00:41:05.139 --> 00:41:09.699
Hitchcock and grandma, the old bat. That's auntie

00:41:09.699 --> 00:41:14.280
Lil, dad's sister, and that's dad. That auntie

00:41:14.280 --> 00:41:17.840
Lil's holding her daughter, Heather. and Dad's

00:41:17.840 --> 00:41:20.599
holding me. 37, well, I was only one. What did

00:41:20.599 --> 00:41:23.599
you think of your grandfather? Oh, he was gorgeous.

00:41:23.760 --> 00:41:27.519
Yeah? Yeah. We found out later, because Auntie

00:41:27.519 --> 00:41:30.760
Leah lived in Sydney, her grandma and grandpa

00:41:30.760 --> 00:41:34.579
had come down in August for tax, and she'd go

00:41:34.579 --> 00:41:38.099
back and say how good we were to the girls up

00:41:38.099 --> 00:41:41.099
there. She'd come down here and tell us, oh,

00:41:41.260 --> 00:41:43.960
the girls wouldn't do that. And, you know, she

00:41:43.960 --> 00:41:46.769
played the thing again. She was playing everyone

00:41:46.769 --> 00:41:50.829
off. Annie Lillian Hitchcock married George Strong

00:41:50.829 --> 00:41:56.030
on April 1929. I don't know anything of his history

00:41:56.030 --> 00:41:58.989
at all. I know he was a gardener. That's at the

00:41:58.989 --> 00:42:01.789
original church down here. The Uniting Church.

00:42:02.530 --> 00:42:05.510
Now this is a very good photograph because you've

00:42:05.510 --> 00:42:08.909
got the slide. Yeah that is a slide and the dog's

00:42:08.909 --> 00:42:12.670
there and one horse. So where's this? Down at

00:42:12.670 --> 00:42:15.789
the farm. I've got a feeling there was a laundry

00:42:15.789 --> 00:42:19.309
in that shed. But that was the one that went

00:42:19.309 --> 00:42:22.389
down and then Dad built it again to keep all

00:42:22.389 --> 00:42:25.349
his orchids. I can remember a snake in the toilet.

00:42:25.730 --> 00:42:27.869
He used to have to take the can and empty it

00:42:27.869 --> 00:42:30.849
somewhere. I went into it one day and I came

00:42:30.849 --> 00:42:33.309
running back out to Mum. Mum, there's a snake

00:42:33.309 --> 00:42:37.030
in the toilet. Oh, don't be stupid. But it had

00:42:37.030 --> 00:42:41.190
a cement floor. So it was square. And just across

00:42:41.190 --> 00:42:44.230
the corner, a bit of the cement was broken. That's

00:42:44.230 --> 00:42:46.449
what I could see, the snake. It was hiding under

00:42:46.449 --> 00:42:49.969
that. Yeah, it slid under there, and it was just...

00:42:49.969 --> 00:42:51.849
I suppose there's only about that much of him.

00:42:52.329 --> 00:42:55.289
Now there was a tiger snake up down. The girl

00:42:55.289 --> 00:42:58.690
got bitten and died. A keefsling. And I know

00:42:58.690 --> 00:43:01.550
when Barry and I were going out, we had to go

00:43:01.550 --> 00:43:04.409
over the railway line. So Barry would get out.

00:43:04.769 --> 00:43:08.139
He'd open the gate. and I'd drive up onto the

00:43:08.139 --> 00:43:09.960
line so he could look to make sure there's no

00:43:09.960 --> 00:43:12.599
snakes there. He'd drive off and then he'd go

00:43:12.599 --> 00:43:15.340
back and shut the gates. He had a phobia about

00:43:15.340 --> 00:43:18.320
this tiger snake. We used to say with a flood

00:43:18.320 --> 00:43:22.079
you could row a boat from the station here right

00:43:22.079 --> 00:43:24.119
to Bombardier because you couldn't see any fences.

00:43:24.820 --> 00:43:28.679
They were big floods and just out of that lift

00:43:28.679 --> 00:43:31.320
up down here we had a trough and you couldn't

00:43:31.320 --> 00:43:35.039
see that. They were big floods. We had a shrub.

00:43:35.619 --> 00:43:38.960
just above the house. We used to call them monkey

00:43:38.960 --> 00:43:40.880
vines, but that wouldn't be their technical name.

00:43:41.119 --> 00:43:43.079
And we could go up there and swing on them and

00:43:43.079 --> 00:43:46.760
that sort of thing. Then above that, before the

00:43:46.760 --> 00:43:49.820
row went on, there were two, you know, locust

00:43:49.820 --> 00:43:53.480
fruit? Yes. Two beautiful trees up there, and

00:43:53.480 --> 00:43:57.300
we loved those. There's one on the footpath where

00:43:57.300 --> 00:44:00.380
those new units are before you get to the church.

00:44:00.920 --> 00:44:02.980
I have pinched a few, but they don't taste the

00:44:02.980 --> 00:44:06.820
same. Did you grow any of your own fruit? We

00:44:06.820 --> 00:44:11.079
had a big orchard, then we had a food one at

00:44:11.079 --> 00:44:13.519
the house, but down on the paddock, Dad would

00:44:13.519 --> 00:44:16.099
always buy the climbing ones, like pumpkins,

00:44:16.380 --> 00:44:19.039
watermelons, rockmelons. Zucchinis. No, didn't

00:44:19.039 --> 00:44:21.500
hear of those, those, those. The orchard was

00:44:21.500 --> 00:44:24.519
on its own. It had beautiful apple trees in it,

00:44:24.639 --> 00:44:27.659
lemon trees. We have oranges, I think. I know

00:44:27.659 --> 00:44:31.780
we have a great big apple tree bowed down like

00:44:31.780 --> 00:44:34.960
this. beautiful apples on them. We did have some

00:44:34.960 --> 00:44:38.039
apricots. We had a grapevine at the house. Then

00:44:38.039 --> 00:44:41.139
at the house you'd get smaller veggies. Like

00:44:41.139 --> 00:44:43.420
my money had to walk out the door and let it

00:44:43.420 --> 00:44:45.340
be there. But then down the paddock, there'd

00:44:45.340 --> 00:44:47.900
be pumpkins and watermelons and rockmelons and

00:44:47.900 --> 00:44:52.380
cucumbers. I'd say self -efficient as far as

00:44:52.380 --> 00:44:55.239
veggies were concerned. And did you do any of

00:44:55.239 --> 00:45:00.159
that or was it all Dad? No, Dad did all the planting.

00:45:00.800 --> 00:45:03.780
Beans, we used to go out and to other property

00:45:03.780 --> 00:45:07.639
and pick beans and peas. One I can remember was

00:45:07.639 --> 00:45:12.039
up Tindal's Lane, and that was peas there. And

00:45:12.039 --> 00:45:14.380
some up Schofield's Lane, but I can't remember

00:45:14.380 --> 00:45:17.420
who owned the property. But all neighbours did

00:45:17.420 --> 00:45:19.480
that. They'd just go around and help everybody

00:45:19.480 --> 00:45:22.699
pick what they had, sort of thing. Did you make

00:45:22.699 --> 00:45:25.760
bales? Because we didn't have any equipment like

00:45:25.760 --> 00:45:27.440
that. They were in the paddocks, weren't they?

00:45:27.480 --> 00:45:31.480
Yes, yeah. Haystacks? pull out when we needed

00:45:31.480 --> 00:45:34.780
it, yes. But as I said, they had to be dry when

00:45:34.780 --> 00:45:37.360
they stacked. How long did it last? Because you've

00:45:37.360 --> 00:45:41.099
got to keep it airtight usually. It was all eaten.

00:45:41.260 --> 00:45:43.679
I mean, there was two in one of those photos,

00:45:43.800 --> 00:45:46.199
wasn't it? Two together and one down at the house.

00:45:46.860 --> 00:45:50.199
There used to be, at the house, two big coals

00:45:50.199 --> 00:45:51.780
in the ground and I always thought they were

00:45:51.780 --> 00:45:57.150
dams or wells. They bury silage. No, I don't

00:45:57.150 --> 00:46:00.010
think so. They had no water in them and no grass

00:46:00.010 --> 00:46:02.829
was growing down the side of them. No, probably

00:46:02.829 --> 00:46:06.070
that deep. One was right outside the front house

00:46:06.070 --> 00:46:10.250
fence gate and one on the side. But you don't

00:46:10.250 --> 00:46:12.570
know what they were used for. No. Nobody could

00:46:12.570 --> 00:46:15.010
ever tell me that, so I don't know. Now those

00:46:15.010 --> 00:46:19.250
wells were shaped like a cylinder. So they were

00:46:19.250 --> 00:46:22.750
round on top and went down about eight feet.

00:46:23.170 --> 00:46:26.809
Chatting to Terry Farrell, He thinks that they

00:46:26.809 --> 00:46:30.210
may be wells built by convicts that were lined

00:46:30.210 --> 00:46:33.550
with sandstone. There is one that exists just

00:46:33.550 --> 00:46:37.989
off Bowlong Road. So that's a possibility. Pam's

00:46:37.989 --> 00:46:42.969
probably on the money talking about wells. That's

00:46:42.969 --> 00:46:45.349
all we know at this point. Did you ever grow

00:46:45.349 --> 00:46:48.829
corn? Yes. Did you have a chaff cutter? Oh yes

00:46:48.829 --> 00:46:51.530
we did, yes we did. Yes. We used to put the things

00:46:51.530 --> 00:46:54.719
down and turn this thing. And it would take the

00:46:54.719 --> 00:46:56.840
corn off the cob. Oh yeah, so it was manual.

00:46:56.940 --> 00:46:59.699
You did it manually. Seems like he might have

00:46:59.699 --> 00:47:03.460
fed it as he needed to. I would say so. Because

00:47:03.460 --> 00:47:06.239
the corn wasn't stored anywhere, was it? There

00:47:06.239 --> 00:47:09.380
was a big shed just across from the house. There

00:47:09.380 --> 00:47:11.719
maybe in a loft or something. No, there wasn't.

00:47:11.780 --> 00:47:15.019
But I can visual it loose on the floor. Okay,

00:47:15.260 --> 00:47:17.239
yes. And I think we go to the chooks because

00:47:17.239 --> 00:47:19.719
we had a big chook run down from that too. Were

00:47:19.719 --> 00:47:22.159
they safely... locked up? Yes, they were all

00:47:22.159 --> 00:47:24.980
fenced in. What about pigs? For a little while

00:47:24.980 --> 00:47:28.219
we did have a few pigs and they were below the

00:47:28.219 --> 00:47:31.059
orchard in a shed down there. Yes. But I don't

00:47:31.059 --> 00:47:32.900
know what we did with them. We didn't have a

00:47:32.900 --> 00:47:34.639
lot of them. Well they've eaten a bit of that

00:47:34.639 --> 00:47:37.039
rotten fruit too, a bit I imagine, fell on the

00:47:37.039 --> 00:47:42.079
ground. How big was the orchard, acre? Two acres?

00:47:42.340 --> 00:47:44.099
No, it wouldn't have been that big. Oh, an acre,

00:47:44.300 --> 00:47:46.659
possibly. Was it just easily accessible or did

00:47:46.659 --> 00:47:49.820
it...? Oh, yes. Yes, it was all fenced. It wasn't

00:47:49.820 --> 00:47:52.420
fenced and gated and it was next to the run part

00:47:52.420 --> 00:47:55.219
of the bales. Scott, our third one, was driving

00:47:55.219 --> 00:47:58.739
around here the other day. And you know the Presbyterian

00:47:58.739 --> 00:48:01.159
Church is? Go that way, you're over a little

00:48:01.159 --> 00:48:03.380
bridge and there's a little house there. That

00:48:03.380 --> 00:48:05.780
was ours and he didn't know that because he wasn't

00:48:05.780 --> 00:48:08.730
born then. It's on the market now. It's a two

00:48:08.730 --> 00:48:11.590
bedroom, very small second bedroom for 1 .3.

00:48:11.670 --> 00:48:14.889
I mean you must nearly die at the price of land

00:48:14.889 --> 00:48:19.190
and housing. Yeah, absolutely. So how long were

00:48:19.190 --> 00:48:22.570
you on the farm? Me? Yeah. Till I was married

00:48:22.570 --> 00:48:27.730
and I was married at 20. 36 souls. 56. And you

00:48:27.730 --> 00:48:30.710
left the farm. And you were working on the farm

00:48:30.710 --> 00:48:33.750
a bit up to that point? Yes because I was at

00:48:33.750 --> 00:48:36.369
the bank until I got pregnant then I left. So

00:48:36.369 --> 00:48:39.369
you got maternity leave, did you? No, you just

00:48:39.369 --> 00:48:41.309
leave. That's it. Oh, that's what they did then.

00:48:41.829 --> 00:48:44.510
Where were you living then? We came and lived

00:48:44.510 --> 00:48:47.829
with Barry's grandmother in Victoria Street.

00:48:48.530 --> 00:48:52.429
And we had the closed -in veranda down the side.

00:48:53.010 --> 00:48:56.909
Whenever it rained or mist came down through

00:48:56.909 --> 00:48:58.889
it, because it wasn't lined or anything like

00:48:58.889 --> 00:49:02.809
that. And then we eventually built the little

00:49:02.809 --> 00:49:05.630
house, I was just saying, in Victoria Street.

00:49:05.869 --> 00:49:09.010
Was your father active in the community, active

00:49:09.010 --> 00:49:13.110
in the church? Yes, he was a choir master and

00:49:13.110 --> 00:49:15.289
they went to different groups in the church.

00:49:15.429 --> 00:49:18.849
Did you study for the ministry or do you go to

00:49:18.849 --> 00:49:22.210
church today? Except for lately when I can't

00:49:22.210 --> 00:49:25.090
drive. Does it feel more of a spiritual life

00:49:25.090 --> 00:49:28.110
now as opposed to a Methodist life? I think a

00:49:28.110 --> 00:49:31.289
Methodist life is stricter. I mean, Dad wouldn't

00:49:31.289 --> 00:49:33.849
hear of us dancing. Oh, you weren't allowed to

00:49:33.849 --> 00:49:37.010
dance? Oh, no. That was his rule. Only the one

00:49:37.010 --> 00:49:40.050
at Christmas for school. We could go to that

00:49:40.050 --> 00:49:43.170
one. Oh, no, we did dance, but you danced with

00:49:43.170 --> 00:49:46.269
fathers or something like that. And I'm just

00:49:46.269 --> 00:49:49.469
trying to remember what the music was. It was

00:49:49.469 --> 00:49:53.610
just a band. The word Abernethy's come into mind,

00:49:53.630 --> 00:49:56.650
but I wouldn't be sure about that. Three people

00:49:56.650 --> 00:49:59.469
played. Little three -piece band. Something like

00:49:59.469 --> 00:50:03.710
that, yes. Doing barn dances and foxtrot and

00:50:03.710 --> 00:50:06.010
progressive barn. Progressive barn dance, yes.

00:50:06.170 --> 00:50:08.550
But did you progress with people and dance with

00:50:08.550 --> 00:50:11.030
different men? Yes, I think we did, yes. But

00:50:11.030 --> 00:50:13.329
it was probably older men. I was just going to

00:50:13.329 --> 00:50:15.030
say, yes, it was Dinnie or it was your father

00:50:15.030 --> 00:50:18.590
or Mr Muller or yes. Oh yeah, not young boys.

00:50:18.670 --> 00:50:21.269
No, you couldn't get close to anybody. How old

00:50:21.269 --> 00:50:24.730
were you then? Did the intermediate certificate?

00:50:25.070 --> 00:50:28.369
But I wasn't 15 until the April, because you

00:50:28.369 --> 00:50:31.909
had to be 15 to leave school then. Now I went

00:50:31.909 --> 00:50:35.250
into year four. To do that was a waste of time,

00:50:35.369 --> 00:50:37.150
of course, because I wasn't going anywhere else.

00:50:37.789 --> 00:50:39.769
But you got quite a good job at the bank then.

00:50:40.050 --> 00:50:42.949
Yes, I enjoyed it. Yeah. And I've been treasurer

00:50:42.949 --> 00:50:45.789
at a lot of things. When I was working, I got

00:50:45.789 --> 00:50:49.170
a job with, or they asked me to go after Barry

00:50:49.170 --> 00:50:51.929
to Ryan and Horne, or it was Elders Real Estate

00:50:51.929 --> 00:50:54.809
then. changed into rain and hope. I did all that

00:50:54.809 --> 00:50:57.210
book work. And then we had to learn how to do

00:50:57.210 --> 00:51:00.369
it on a computer. Did you have to learn? Yes,

00:51:00.369 --> 00:51:04.050
I had to learn it. And then we had a rent roll,

00:51:04.289 --> 00:51:07.610
which started off with about 10 people. A mate

00:51:07.610 --> 00:51:11.869
of Clive Redburn's, he sent this fellow down

00:51:11.869 --> 00:51:14.550
to give us a rent roll on the computer. I could

00:51:14.550 --> 00:51:18.030
do it quicker by hand than he could. It was a

00:51:18.030 --> 00:51:20.869
complete staffer. And then we got on to some

00:51:20.869 --> 00:51:23.989
other fellow, and he was brilliant. It didn't

00:51:23.989 --> 00:51:26.210
matter what I asked him, he didn't even have

00:51:26.210 --> 00:51:29.110
to think he'd be like that. He was brilliant.

00:51:29.449 --> 00:51:32.210
I liked him very much. One chap that came down

00:51:32.210 --> 00:51:33.989
when we were having trouble with it, I said,

00:51:34.170 --> 00:51:35.889
what can we do with this? I said, this isn't

00:51:35.889 --> 00:51:38.469
the help, but I can do it quicker by hand than

00:51:38.469 --> 00:51:41.449
on a computer. And he said, just tell me when

00:51:41.449 --> 00:51:43.269
there's a big truck coming in, I'll throw it

00:51:43.269 --> 00:51:48.539
out in the road. I've never forgotten that. That's

00:51:48.539 --> 00:51:50.139
all getting away from what you're on about anyway.

00:51:50.139 --> 00:51:52.980
Now it's nice. So tell me about when your dad

00:51:52.980 --> 00:51:56.500
got sick. We'll start there. So how was his health?

00:51:56.659 --> 00:51:59.820
Did he always stay on the farm? Yes, he didn't

00:51:59.820 --> 00:52:02.599
till he died. He was in hospital then. If he

00:52:02.599 --> 00:52:04.199
was at home, he was in the room and we had a

00:52:04.199 --> 00:52:06.500
big gas tank there and he'd always have the gas

00:52:06.500 --> 00:52:08.679
tank holding it in his nose or something like

00:52:08.679 --> 00:52:10.860
that. But you had to help milk because he was

00:52:10.860 --> 00:52:13.739
sick. You've got a few books here. Oh yeah, that's

00:52:13.739 --> 00:52:16.929
the one, I'll tell you. They're books of... Who's

00:52:16.929 --> 00:52:20.769
this, sorry? Is this your father? Yes, they're

00:52:20.769 --> 00:52:24.150
all dead, yeah. Of who's buried in the cemetery

00:52:24.150 --> 00:52:27.750
up here. Oh, yeah. Tell me about how your husband

00:52:27.750 --> 00:52:31.489
got sick. Smoking. It was in August, 40 years

00:52:31.489 --> 00:52:34.150
ago. Yeah. Where were you at in your life when

00:52:34.150 --> 00:52:36.630
he passed? Where were you living? We were here.

00:52:36.630 --> 00:52:40.250
Yeah. Yes. So who owned this land? That was a

00:52:40.250 --> 00:52:43.949
cattle sale yard there, next door, by Sue's.

00:52:44.190 --> 00:52:47.329
And when she started to build we had mice and

00:52:47.329 --> 00:52:51.510
everything because it was all old timber and

00:52:51.510 --> 00:52:55.269
rock. So this is in Albert Street where Pam lives.

00:52:55.650 --> 00:52:59.170
Now that subdivision went through in the early

00:52:59.170 --> 00:53:05.929
70s. AJ Campbell's had the sale yards next door

00:53:05.929 --> 00:53:09.349
to where Pam lives. There was also actually just

00:53:09.349 --> 00:53:13.789
by the way another sale yard opposite the medical

00:53:13.789 --> 00:53:17.329
centre in Barrie, owned by Hedley Johnson on

00:53:17.329 --> 00:53:22.670
Prince Albert Road there. By the way, an old

00:53:22.670 --> 00:53:26.590
drover by the name of Stan Garrity also ended

00:53:26.590 --> 00:53:30.710
up buying land there but before it was cleared

00:53:30.710 --> 00:53:34.070
he used to keep his old horse in the sale yards

00:53:34.070 --> 00:53:38.349
owned by Campbell's next door to Pam. And then

00:53:38.349 --> 00:53:40.730
it was after that, the Christmas, there was a

00:53:40.730 --> 00:53:43.010
Ross Henderson used to work in the real estate

00:53:43.010 --> 00:53:45.710
down here. And he came to see me, he said, Pam,

00:53:45.809 --> 00:53:48.469
would you like a few days work? I said, yes,

00:53:48.510 --> 00:53:51.010
thank you. Because we had nothing, and I was

00:53:51.010 --> 00:53:55.070
booked in to do the HSC, which I'd done for a

00:53:55.070 --> 00:53:58.150
few years. Supervising the exams. Is that what

00:53:58.150 --> 00:54:01.349
you were doing? At that time, yes. And I nearly

00:54:01.349 --> 00:54:04.570
fell over. I went in through a maths paper. Here's

00:54:04.570 --> 00:54:07.909
all the kids arriving with a calculator. I looked

00:54:07.909 --> 00:54:10.989
at him and he said, yes, it's all right. And

00:54:10.989 --> 00:54:13.469
the chap that was organising it then, he gave

00:54:13.469 --> 00:54:17.929
me more on it. And he said, yes, I would. And

00:54:17.929 --> 00:54:21.730
I went then in the next June, end of June, they

00:54:21.730 --> 00:54:24.349
asked me to stay on. I was there for about 20

00:54:24.349 --> 00:54:28.869
years. Loved it. Where was the mayor's chambers

00:54:28.869 --> 00:54:32.449
when you were here? Down. in part of the show

00:54:32.449 --> 00:54:34.570
ground in Alexander Street, although it was a

00:54:34.570 --> 00:54:37.829
council chamber. You remember that? Yes. I don't

00:54:37.829 --> 00:54:39.389
remember it being built, but I can remember it.

00:54:39.409 --> 00:54:41.929
You remember visiting there or having to go there?

00:54:42.250 --> 00:54:47.530
No. I'm actually still on committee for the show.

00:54:48.030 --> 00:54:51.050
You're still on the Berry Show Committee? About

00:54:51.050 --> 00:54:54.769
60 years. I hope they're giving you an award.

00:54:56.170 --> 00:54:59.670
They gave me a thing for 50 years. I had no idea.

00:55:00.269 --> 00:55:02.610
Or do I? The only thing I could put it down to,

00:55:02.670 --> 00:55:05.849
we were living in the day nut van. Matty Robinson

00:55:05.849 --> 00:55:10.269
had a car smashed repair, and next to that was

00:55:10.269 --> 00:55:12.849
Higgins', and they had the South Coast Register.

00:55:13.750 --> 00:55:15.949
And Mo Higgins was the secretary of the show,

00:55:16.030 --> 00:55:19.750
and I used to go and help him in there. And I

00:55:19.750 --> 00:55:22.409
knew that Grant wasn't at school then, because

00:55:22.409 --> 00:55:25.349
he'd come up with me, and he'd... Oh, we used

00:55:25.349 --> 00:55:27.489
to have member's cards and he'd thread those

00:55:27.489 --> 00:55:29.389
through or do something, you know, or he'd take

00:55:29.389 --> 00:55:31.469
something to play. That's the only recommendation.

00:55:31.630 --> 00:55:33.750
I went through things and I couldn't see my name

00:55:33.750 --> 00:55:36.469
in anything as to when I started there. But I

00:55:36.469 --> 00:55:39.090
had that in mind, so I worked it out from there.

00:55:39.670 --> 00:55:42.090
So I enjoyed it. Yeah, tell me, that's a long

00:55:42.090 --> 00:55:44.510
time, because you would have seen a bit of change

00:55:44.510 --> 00:55:46.949
in the show. I agree if it's all computerised

00:55:46.949 --> 00:55:49.809
too now. So what were you doing? Well, in the

00:55:49.809 --> 00:55:51.730
end, I wrote all the checks for it and I had

00:55:51.730 --> 00:55:55.250
to work out what everybody... earned money, now

00:55:55.250 --> 00:55:57.530
they hand it out in cash, and they'd come in

00:55:57.530 --> 00:55:59.610
for their money and I'd have it all ready. The

00:55:59.610 --> 00:56:03.349
winners? Wasn't worth picking up half the time.

00:56:03.969 --> 00:56:09.610
I know, two dollars for a hat class. Anything

00:56:09.610 --> 00:56:11.969
I've worked in I've really enjoyed. Yes, well

00:56:11.969 --> 00:56:15.949
it would have had all the cakes, all the painting,

00:56:16.369 --> 00:56:18.590
all that stuff. And I've helped in all of those

00:56:18.590 --> 00:56:21.429
and the rest of it. How's the participation,

00:56:21.650 --> 00:56:25.550
is it the same or all? Oh yes, we thought when

00:56:25.550 --> 00:56:29.690
we first had computers in we thought the oldies

00:56:29.690 --> 00:56:33.030
aren't going to set this and we lost some people

00:56:33.030 --> 00:56:35.449
because of it. The thing that happened with that,

00:56:35.789 --> 00:56:38.449
they brought it in without a trial because a

00:56:38.449 --> 00:56:40.389
lot of people, and I'll be one of them, years

00:56:40.389 --> 00:56:43.650
ago, didn't trust them. How can that box in there

00:56:43.650 --> 00:56:46.150
add up all of this, you know? That sort of thing.

00:56:46.349 --> 00:56:49.190
But we all learnt. Well, it's a big shift. It's

00:56:49.190 --> 00:56:50.969
like the rent rolls when I was talking about,

00:56:51.289 --> 00:56:54.010
I could do it in my head in no time. Get the

00:56:54.010 --> 00:56:56.969
damn computer on it. Not now. I soon learnt how

00:56:56.969 --> 00:56:59.389
to do it. You've done a lot of service for the

00:56:59.389 --> 00:57:03.170
community. So you've been on the Berry show for

00:57:03.170 --> 00:57:05.570
a long time. Is that your, and you're a member

00:57:05.570 --> 00:57:08.349
of Senuit? Yeah, the club, yes. Yeah, here's

00:57:08.349 --> 00:57:11.030
a good club. Tell me about back on the farm.

00:57:11.309 --> 00:57:15.829
When did your farm cease? After Dad died, Mum

00:57:15.829 --> 00:57:19.110
was there and she leased it to, and they later

00:57:19.110 --> 00:57:21.170
bought it, Longworth I think their name was,

00:57:21.409 --> 00:57:24.869
from up the mountain there. Then she went and

00:57:24.869 --> 00:57:27.150
lived in Sydney with her brother for a while,

00:57:27.429 --> 00:57:31.789
in Pimble, and she got a job up there and then

00:57:31.789 --> 00:57:34.369
she eventually came back to Nair and bought a

00:57:34.369 --> 00:57:38.329
house in Station Street, which was called that

00:57:38.329 --> 00:57:42.579
because I have read this. There was to be a railway

00:57:42.579 --> 00:57:44.940
station there. When did you get tractors in?

00:57:44.940 --> 00:57:48.320
Did you ever get a tractor? Yes. Grandparents

00:57:48.320 --> 00:57:51.139
bought that, I remember that. Ferguson. Ferguson.

00:57:51.239 --> 00:57:54.000
A little Ferguson to what you see now. What colour

00:57:54.000 --> 00:57:57.179
was it? Grey. So you're born and bred here? Yep.

00:57:57.739 --> 00:58:00.280
Absolutely. Went to school here. Married here.

00:58:01.099 --> 00:58:03.300
Be buried here because I've got my plot up there.

00:58:03.579 --> 00:58:08.800
Where's your plot? Next to Barry's in the original...

00:58:08.800 --> 00:58:11.820
What cemetery? Barry. Sorry. That's alright.

00:58:12.019 --> 00:58:15.380
Yeah, the newer bit. It's very nice. I asked

00:58:15.380 --> 00:58:17.519
somebody the other day and it's about a thousand

00:58:17.519 --> 00:58:22.860
dollars to be put in that. Yeah. I paid 93 for

00:58:22.860 --> 00:58:26.000
mine. Yes. What about your kids? Are you a grandmother?

00:58:26.659 --> 00:58:29.260
And a great -grandmother. You're a great -grandmother?

00:58:30.139 --> 00:58:33.739
How many grandchildren? I have four kids. Seven.

00:58:34.780 --> 00:58:37.449
What about the greats? Two. Do you feel that

00:58:37.449 --> 00:58:39.730
adds to your life or is it? It does, another

00:58:39.730 --> 00:58:45.469
interest. Yes. Do you have a love for them? Yes,

00:58:46.550 --> 00:58:48.849
a couple I could ring their necks. Because the

00:58:48.849 --> 00:58:52.630
ones that stay connected, this annoys me. She's

00:58:52.630 --> 00:58:55.909
in Denmark, she's home on the 11th of this month

00:58:55.909 --> 00:58:58.250
and she's been away about five months I think.

00:58:59.030 --> 00:59:03.289
But their mother's Danish, so their grandma's

00:59:03.289 --> 00:59:06.130
still alive over there and there's an auntie

00:59:06.130 --> 00:59:09.380
there. and they go over there, but then they

00:59:09.380 --> 00:59:13.380
travel around all over the place. Mya's the elder,

00:59:13.460 --> 00:59:16.460
she's the first born one. It was her sister I

00:59:16.460 --> 00:59:20.320
think, she was in Ireland just lately. She's

00:59:20.320 --> 00:59:23.599
home now. But they've always been travellers.

00:59:23.940 --> 00:59:26.820
Well I've done a lot of it too, but they work,

00:59:27.059 --> 00:59:29.360
come back, get a job, save the money and off

00:59:29.360 --> 00:59:32.519
they go. That was basically what I did. Though

00:59:32.519 --> 00:59:35.280
I didn't do as much of it when I was working.

00:59:35.719 --> 00:59:38.420
So you and your husband traveled? No, it was

00:59:38.420 --> 00:59:40.559
after Barry Dodd because I never worked until

00:59:40.559 --> 00:59:43.099
he died. And how did you travel? Did you go on

00:59:43.099 --> 00:59:46.599
cruises? No, never been on. I went to Thailand,

00:59:46.800 --> 00:59:49.599
not the last trip, the one before, and I did

00:59:49.599 --> 00:59:54.699
a eight day on a small boat down the river. And

00:59:54.699 --> 00:59:57.760
it was great. I loved it. But I have no wish

00:59:57.760 --> 01:00:00.280
to go on these great monsters that have thousands

01:00:00.280 --> 01:00:03.219
of people. I've been to Ireland and Scotland

01:00:03.219 --> 01:00:08.110
and England. parts of Europe, Thailand. I went

01:00:08.110 --> 01:00:10.570
for a trip there. I think that was my first trip.

01:00:10.989 --> 01:00:13.150
But I've called in there a couple of times on

01:00:13.150 --> 01:00:16.949
the way from others. Egypt, Turkey. I only go

01:00:16.949 --> 01:00:19.289
to places that I have an inkling for. I don't

01:00:19.289 --> 01:00:21.210
go because somebody else has been there, sort

01:00:21.210 --> 01:00:23.829
of thing. I think about it before I get there.

01:00:24.289 --> 01:00:29.670
Do you know an Alan Hitchcock? Yes. He's got

01:00:29.670 --> 01:00:31.730
petroled something, hasn't he? I've heard of

01:00:31.730 --> 01:00:34.900
him. I think they lived in... There's one I used

01:00:34.900 --> 01:00:37.000
to know because I can remember when grandma came

01:00:37.000 --> 01:00:39.400
down, would always have to go and see them. That

01:00:39.400 --> 01:00:43.320
was the road, I think it's Maroo Road, you go

01:00:43.320 --> 01:00:45.619
to the bowling club and there's a road going

01:00:45.619 --> 01:00:48.579
down that follows where the original railway

01:00:48.579 --> 01:00:50.960
station was. I don't even know the house but

01:00:50.960 --> 01:00:53.719
I don't know. So dad had two daughters. And it

01:00:53.719 --> 01:00:56.820
stopped with us. Yes, with you before you were

01:00:56.820 --> 01:00:58.860
married. So it must have been interesting when

01:00:58.860 --> 01:01:02.530
your grandfather was the original land title

01:01:02.530 --> 01:01:05.489
holder, or least, and then secured land. He came

01:01:05.489 --> 01:01:07.670
out from England. He must have... Was he sponsored

01:01:07.670 --> 01:01:10.230
by anyone, do you know? No, I don't know. Do

01:01:10.230 --> 01:01:13.429
your kids live nearby? Two live here. One lives

01:01:13.429 --> 01:01:17.530
in Crozes Road, and that's Scott, the third one,

01:01:17.650 --> 01:01:20.670
and the second one lives in Maroo. Just built

01:01:20.670 --> 01:01:23.050
a new house. Well, the one in Bobbiderry, he's

01:01:23.050 --> 01:01:26.789
in Adelaide. He's in the Navy. And Scott's just...

01:01:26.730 --> 01:01:31.570
That brings us to the end of the recording. Thank

01:01:31.570 --> 01:01:35.889
you Pam and others I approached throughout this

01:01:35.889 --> 01:01:41.869
production of Pam's story. Sadly we finish Jasper's

01:01:41.869 --> 01:01:47.309
brush for this podcast season two. The next episode

01:01:47.309 --> 01:01:51.670
will actually be in Berry but on the lane called

01:01:51.670 --> 01:01:55.039
Schofield's Lane. So we're nearly hitting the

01:01:55.039 --> 01:01:58.320
township. Season two, of course, like season

01:01:58.320 --> 01:02:01.500
one, has 10 episodes. So there's two episodes

01:02:01.500 --> 01:02:04.659
to go. If you want to see Pam's photos in the

01:02:04.659 --> 01:02:07.300
interim before they're archived later in the

01:02:07.300 --> 01:02:10.800
year at the library, you can go to my website,

01:02:11.079 --> 01:02:15.980
teresweeney .com .au. I'll have them up sometime

01:02:15.980 --> 01:02:19.389
this week. Thanks for listening. Tell your friends.

01:02:19.570 --> 01:02:21.829
A lot of people are saying, oh yes, I've listened

01:02:21.829 --> 01:02:24.429
to Maroo, but I haven't had time for Jasper's

01:02:24.429 --> 01:02:27.829
brush. Well, make some time and come and listen.

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Thanks for your support. All the best.