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Welcome to the Dear Elaine Project, the podcast

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Therese Makes History, Season 2, Episode 7. It's

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the 1st of January, 2026, so Happy New Year to

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all the listeners. It's going to be a good year,

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folks. My primary sponsor for Season 2 is Ian

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Zanstra. A very experienced dairyman on the other

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side of the river from Pyree. Season 2 would

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not be happening without Ian's support. I'm very

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grateful he stepped up. Thank you Ian. Today

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we're in O 'Keefe's Lane. We're still in Jasper's

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brush. Named after Dennis O 'Keefe. He was born

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in 1865 in Tipperary. island. He was the first

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to leave Ireland. He wasn't the eldest child

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though and he was 14 years of age. A lot of courage.

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So he was known as Dene. He was born in the civil

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parish of Templetonie. He was born in the district

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of Clogheen in County Tipperary on the 28th of

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July 1865. This is official civil speak for the

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Catholic parish of Balliporeen. It would have

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been his baptismal date. Now, he worked for his

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passage to Australia because he had no money.

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He arrived in about 1879, settling at Broughton

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Creek. We now know that as Berry, of course,

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off the Shoalhaven River. Apparently he arrived

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with 17 shillings in his pocket. He first lived

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and worked at Berry with the Mahoney family,

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who owned and or operated the butcher shop. He

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was paid a small wage, as well as offal from

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the shop. And as a result of this experience,

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as an adult, obviously he couldn't even stand

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the thought of eating offal. He then went to

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work for John Stewart at Berry on a dairy farm,

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milking cows and shoveling coal for 10 shillings

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a week. The farm was north of the present motel,

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the Berry View Motel, just north of the town

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on the old Princess Highway. It's a stone house

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and it still exists on this property. He spent

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time later as a labourer on road construction

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and he worked on a farm near Kangaroo Valley.

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Once he'd saved some money, he arranged for his

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siblings to come out to Australia. First his

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brothers and then his two sisters in 1886. Dennis

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married Martha Winifred Tims of Jasper's Brush

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at Kangaroo Valley. On the 15th of January 1896,

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they had eight children. Dennis left a leased

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property at Brogers Creek near Kangaroo Valley

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and purchased another at Jasper's Brush. This

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property he named Kiltankan after his Irish town

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land. Dennis started daring at Jasper's Brush.

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Dennis made two land purchases. He purchased

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66 acres in 1913. The land ran from the South

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Coast Road now known as the Princess Highway

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back a large block up to the railway. Then across

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the railway he purchased a further block of 90

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acres and another block of 38 acres and they

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met the Shoalhaven River. The same year, 1913.

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Of interest, Samuel Thames purchased 39 acres

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in 1901 on the northern side of the highway.

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Formerly, the land was owned by John Hughes.

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I mention Thames because Dennis went on to marry

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Martha Thames. Martha Winifred Thames was born

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in 1870. She was the fourth of 10 children. Her

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parents were Samuel and Susanna Thames. who farmed

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for most of their lives. Martha's father was

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the first of the Timbs family to be born in Australia

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in 1843 and was mayor of Broughton Creek now

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known as Berry in 1877. Her grandfather William

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Timbs and uncle Gabrielle Timbs were in charge

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of Henry Osborne's imported cattle at the exhibition

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in Mark at Square Wollongong in 1843. when the

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first attempt was made to found the Illawarra

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Agricultural and Historical Society. She was

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known as Auntie Matt. I've got a bit of a treat,

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I feel, today. Today you're going to be hearing

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from Lynn Brandon. Lynn was the last O 'Keefe

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born on the property. Her married name is Brandon.

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Of course, for those familiar, the original emigrants...

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that settled at Wattamulla. I'm so pleased to

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have met Lynn and to have secured her memories

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and stories of her ancestors and family. Kiltankin

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was the cattle stud name. The family excelled

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in breeding the Australian Illawarra shorthorn.

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And here we go with Lynn. Lynn, what is your

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full name and former name? Your year of birth?

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My full name is Lynette Mary Brandon. I was Lee

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O 'Keefe and I was born on the 12th of February

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1953. Where were you born? I was born in Nara

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at Edmund House in Junction Street up towards

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the show ground in Nara. You grew up in O 'Keefe's

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lane. What was the name of the property? Kiltankin.

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Your parents' full names? My parent was Patrick

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Vincent O 'Keefe and my mother was Lula Eileen

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O 'Keefe. And what was her former name? Her former

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name was Omara. And she grew up where? Fox Ground.

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Your father Patrick? Yes. How many siblings did

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he have? Seven. He was one of eight children.

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Four boys and four girls. We'll go over their

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names. Mary Susanna, known as Minnie O 'Keefe.

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Winifred Anne. David Samuel, Joseph William,

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Elizabeth Alice, Dennis Charles, Patrick Vincent,

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and Bridget Emelda. They all grew up at the property?

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They did. The name of the property was the same

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name as the stud? Yes, yes. Can you tell me a

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bit of history about where the name came from?

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The name came from Ireland, where my grandfather

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came from. And it was just a little area like

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Jasper's Brush Inn in Tipperary in Ireland. See,

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because I didn't know my grandparents. You know.

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But you know their names. Yes, I do. So you were

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born on the property. You're probably the last

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person born on the property? Of the O 'Keeffe's,

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yes, yes. Born up on the property, yes, yes.

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The property was run as the estate of Dennis

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O 'Keeffe. And dad managed the farm, looked after

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the farm on behalf of the O 'Keeffe estate, yes.

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So you lived there as he was the farm manager?

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Yes, after my grandfather died. How did that

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sit with all the other siblings? Were they living

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there? No. I think it sat alright with them because

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they knew that they were going to get their money

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eventually and of course dad had to pay them

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so much per month. the farm income they all got

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except for Uncle Din who got his share of what

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was called the dry run up on the western side

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of the railway line that was his so he never

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got anything else out of the farm because he

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was given that land but the other six all had

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to get part of the money of the land yeah. Was

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your dad running a dairy there? Yes. What do

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you know about the dairy? Do you know, if we

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describe the dairy, can you do that? How many

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cows and the type of cows? The cows were called

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AIS, which was Illawarra Shorthorns, Australian

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Illawarra Shorthorns. Now they've just been,

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the name's been shortened to just being called

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Illawarra's. So you saw a lot of red cows? Red

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cows, red and white cows, rung cows, yes. How

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many cows? I would say around about 90 at the

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time, yes. The dairy, was it a walk -through?

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Yes, as far as I know is still there now and

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I think it was six walk -through. They were breeding

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for a long time on the property. Yes. Let's just

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talk about your dad and breeding first. You were

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showing cattle at the local shows, your AIS cows.

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Yes, yes. Do you know why they were such great

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breeders? I think it takes a lot of time and

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effort and knowledge of cattle and breeding and

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of course the whole other side of it is you want

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ones that are going to produce more milk because

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that's the whole idea of the breeding, to breed

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the quality, to produce more milk. How much land

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was the estate? I can't tell you that exactly,

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I don't know. How much did it seem, do you know?

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It seemed a lot to me because there was this

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side of the river and then there was the river

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and there was the flats across the river. The

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cows went across a bridge to get to the other

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side of the farm. I can remember, in one big

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flood, that the bridge was washed away. I can

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remember watching the new bridge being built,

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and your fillings had the garage in Bury and

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they had this big tow truck and it was called

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Mighty Mouse, and Mighty Mouse was out there

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putting the sleepers across for the new bridge

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to be built. It was very exciting. Well, how

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old were you when that happened? five or six,

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but I remember it happening, yes, yeah. In the

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late 50s? Yes, yes. A lot of water, do you remember?

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Yeah, so the bridge, because I remember hearing

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about the bridge washing away. So that was on

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your land? It was. The cows went across that

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bridge every day. Was it a wooden bridge? A wooden

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bridge, yes. How long was that bridge? I suppose

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about 12 foot long. Was it over tracks or why

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was the bridge there? To get you over the creek?

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And over the creek to the other side of the farm,

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yes. How long is O 'Keeffe's lane roughly, do

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you know? No, I don't. I just know it was a long

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way when I had to walk up the end of the road

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to catch a taxi into school. Was that a service

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supply or you paid for it? It was a service,

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like there was no buses. I would assume that

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Mum and Dad had to pay for it because there was

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a lot of kids from Jasper's Brush that caught

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the taxi into Berry and the taxi picked you up

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every afternoon, dropped you at the end of the

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lane. Do you recall the post office on the highway?

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Yes, Culligans, yes. Did you ever have to go

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to the post office? I didn't ever have to go

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to the post office. I think the mail was delivered

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with the milk truck. You had your chooks? We

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had chooks. We did have chooks, yes. Did you

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have, you grew your own food? You had a veggie

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garden and orchards? Orchard in the chook yard,

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yes. And just a little veggie garden. My mum

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was always a good cook. There was always food

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on the table. Yes, do you remember them tending

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to... Any flowers or veggies? No. You grew up

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in the main house? Yes. Which was called? Kiltankin.

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It was built before I was born. And no, I don't

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know who built it. No, but your grandparents

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lived in that house? They did, yes. Had they

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moved from another house on the property? Yes,

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they had. There was an older house out over the

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back, probably half a kilometre away from where

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the new house was built. Why did they build a

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new house, do you think? I think they outgrew

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it and the old house was too old and fallen down.

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It was very tiny. It eventually became my brother's

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bird aviary. It would have been the original

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house, perhaps, when they moved there from Kangaroo

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Valley. The little old one out the back, yes,

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it would have probably been there, yes. Yes,

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they didn't build that. Must have been hard for

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them because... I'd say it would have been, yes,

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yes. Big thing when they got the house built

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then. Oh, would have been, yes. And I'm led to

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believe that when the house was built, it was

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one of the first in the district to have electricity

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connected to it. When my parents got married,

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they lived in that house as well. Me and my brothers

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and sister were all brought up in that house.

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Was it on a septic? It was on a septic, yes.

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Do you always remember the septic yourself? Absolutely.

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No cans out the back? No, I used to think later

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in life or when I got older how privileged I

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was with the people with the toilet out the back

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and I never had that. I'd always had a septic

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system in my whole life. Yeah, because we're

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looking at photos previously and everyone's dressed

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pretty well, aren't they? Like, there must have

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been some money to breed. Yes, I guess there

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must have been. I do know that it says when my

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grandfather passed away that there was still

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a mortgage on the farm for £400. Quite a bit

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of money. Quite a bit of money in those days,

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isn't it? Seeing that he passed away in 1932

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to have a mortgage for £400. What was your grandfather's

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full name? Dennis O 'Keefe. Do you know what

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year he was born? He was born in 1865. And you

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were saying some previously interesting things

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about his journey here. Yes. He came by himself?

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He did come by himself. He left Ireland at the

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age of 14. It took him two years to get here

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but it was assumed that he didn't have any money

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but he worked. on the ship to pay his passage

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here. Benny must have saved some money because

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when he arrived here, he had 17 shillings in

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his pocket. Did he have a connection to Australia

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to come here? No. Brave thing to do. Absolutely,

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yes. Do you know whether he had any siblings

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he left in Ireland? They came out later. Yes,

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he brought them out later. He had two older brothers

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and two older sisters. So he was one of five.

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I know there was one called... Pat and one called

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Roger. So Patrick? Yes. Well, it just says Pat,

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not Patrick. Okay, Pat and Roger. Yes. When did

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he arrive when he first got here, in the Shoalhaven

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region? Well, he left there in 1865, so he must

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have, it was two years, so 1867, he must have

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arrived in the Shoalhaven area. And who did he

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marry? Married Martha Timms. And they got married

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in Kangaroo Valley? They did, yes. And she was

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known as? Aunty Matt or Martha. Aunty Matt or

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Martha. Yes, to all her family she was Aunty

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Matt. Do you know much about her side? Like how

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many siblings she might have had? She was one

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of ten children. Father was Samuel Timms. Her

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mother was Susanna O 'Grady. So they got married

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in 1896. which I've written down here. Yes, yes.

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And Samuel was born in 1843. Yes. Now he did

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quite a bit, didn't he? He was the mayor of Broughton

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Creek at some point. Yes, in the late 1800s.

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Okay, do you know much about what they said about

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Samuel? I don't know much about him, but I do

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have a feeling that maybe he wasn't a very popular

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mayor. Why do you say that? Because I remember

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reading it somewhere in the museum. Your grandfather

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christened the place? Kiltankin. After the area

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he was brought up in in Tipperary, Ireland. Do

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you remember your grandfather? No, my grandfather

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had passed away and also my grandmother. They'd

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both passed away before I was born. I only know

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about family things said of them, yes. Who was

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the horseman? I have photos with the saddle.

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I think they all rode horses, but Uncle Joe,

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my Uncle Joe, really did love his horses. Absolutely.

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But your father would have been on a horse? Yes,

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but I don't ever remember seeing him ride a horse

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very much. It's become mechanised, which is probably

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your memory? Yes, yes. We always had a tractor

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and things like that. And there was a horse,

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we had a horse, but my brother was the one that

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rode the horse. Ray was the one that left school

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to work on the farm. And so it was dad and my

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brother Ray. And Ray was the one that always

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rode the horse to get the cattle and... To get

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them into the dairy? Yes, get them into another

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paddock or rotate paddocks, yes. It was always

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Ray on the horse. I don't ever remember seeing

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my father on a horse. Where did Uncle Joe go?

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Uncle Joe became a policeman and he was in Sydney

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and he lived in Ashfield. Yeah, do you know where

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they all went? I do. Because there's eight of

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them. Your dad became the farm manager. His brother

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Dennis, Uncle Din, he stayed... in Jaspersbrush

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on the other part of the property that then became

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his. So that was further down the lane toward

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the highway, was it? Yes. Kiltankin was right

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at the end of the lane. Uncle Din was the first

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property on the left -hand side going in O 'Keeffe's

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Lane. So Kiltankin was at the end where the ward,

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like closest to the river. Yes, yes, yes, yes.

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Do you know how much land Dennis had down there

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that was the dry run? No, I don't. So, Aunty

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Min, who was Mary Susanna, she moved to Sydney

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and she married Patrick Kennedy, who was in the

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Army. Married in 1924 and lived at Canterbury.

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The next one was Winifred Anne and she was known

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as Aunty Anne. She was born at Brogas Creek.

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She married Michael Nolan at Randwick in 1929.

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They lived at Waverley and they had two children,

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Claire and Raymond Nolan. Raymond was a solicitor

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and he lived at Dubbo. Then there was David O

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'Keefe. I don't know why. or how it happened,

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but he started work at a bank in Moolumbah. Then

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he became a fireman with the New South Wales

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Fire Brigade and he lived in Sydney. He never

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married. He passed away in 1957. And then there

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was Joseph, Uncle Joe. He married Rita McNamara

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in 1931 at the Catholic Church at Lewisham. And

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they had three children, John, Patricia and Michael.

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They lived at Clishol Street in Asheville for

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most of their married life. Uncle Joe was a police

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officer at Asheville, Burwood and Regent Street

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in the city. The next one is Elizabeth, Aunty

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Bette. She was a nurse and she was a sister at

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Kenmore Psychiatric Home in Goulburn and then

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she transferred to Mount Street, St Margaret's

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in Ryde. She contacted tuberculosis and passed

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away. Then there's Dennis Charles, my Uncle Din,

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who lived up the other end of O 'Keeffe's Lane.

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So he stayed in the district. And there was my

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dad, who never left. Then my Aunty Bridge. who

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was born, she was actually born at Kiltankin.

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She never, ever married but she was employed

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as a housemaid at Trinity Grammar College at

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Stanmore. She didn't have very good health and

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after having her kidney removed, died on the

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13th of August 1965. She lived at my Aunty Min's

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house. Aunty Min looked after her for years at

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her home and she was buried at Rookwood Cemetery.

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My Aunty Min later on was buried beside her at

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Rookwood. So your dad, do you think he felt responsible

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to take over the farm or was he just keen to?

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He was very keen to but I don't think my grandmother

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gave him any other choice. That was it. She did.

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rule with an iron fist, as my eldest brother

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used to say. I couldn't possibly tell you what

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he used to call her. That's fine. So Martha was

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from Kangaroo Valley. Yes. Obviously the Tims.

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Yes. Very controlling. No, Martha passed away

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the year before I was born. So you're siblings

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now. Let's just get to them, because you're a

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love child, it would seem. Who are your siblings?

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My oldest brother Ray O 'Keefe, Max, my sister

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Del, her name was actually Maria Del, but she

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was always known as Del, and then I came along

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nine years after Del. They've all passed away

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now. Yes, do they all stay in the area? No, when

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my... eldest brother Ray retired. He moved to

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the North Coast, a place called Walgoolga, just

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north of Cross Harbour. What did he do for a

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living? After Dad sold the farm at Jasper's Brush

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and we moved into town, Ray worked for the bakers

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in Bury for a while and he really didn't like

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it and then he convinced Dad to buy another farm,

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so he bought another farm at Maroo Meadow. Then

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when Ray Got married, Ray and Trish lived in

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the house on that farm at Mooroo Meadow and Dad

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drove every day from Bury backwards and forwards

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to the farm. When did your father sell the property?

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Early 1960s, early 60s. And your next sibling?

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Max. What did he do? Went away to college, to

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St Gregory's College. in Campbelltown and then

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when he finished school he came home and he worked

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on the farm for a little while. Then he worked

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at the post office in Berry. Then he left that

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and he went to work at Graham Park as an inseminator.

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Then he got transferred from Graham Park to another

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subsidiary at Camden. and he was doing the same

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thing as an inseminator and that's when he met

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his wife Carolyn who lived in Mossvale. They

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got married in Mossvale and then Max bought property

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at Exeter. Then he started breeding cattle, he

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started breeding shorthorns that he was very

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successful at doing that. My sister Del never

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moved away from the area. She lived at home with

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mum and dad for a long time. Del had a little

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bit of a disability and she worked for Many years

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for Kevin and Dawn Robinson, Kevin Robinson who

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had the trotters from Berry, well, Del worked

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at that because they had a lot of children. Del

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worked there for, at their house as a, I don't

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know what you'd call her, a housekeeper or doing

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the washing and the ironing and making the beds

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and maybe trying to keep some of those children

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under control. Then eventually Del married and

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she moved to Bomberderry and Del passed away

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about three years ago. And here we are with you.

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And here we are with me. And what about you Lynne?

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Dad sold the property in the 60s sometime, yes.

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So then we moved to 3 Queen Street Berry and

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I stayed there until I got married and then I

00:24:02.269 --> 00:24:04.690
moved from there to Ford Street in Berry and

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then I moved 15 months ago from Ford Street to

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where I am now. That was, I moved after my husband

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passed away. And your husband's full name? Bruce

00:24:14.849 --> 00:24:17.380
Clippard Brandon. Everybody knew him as Cork,

00:24:17.559 --> 00:24:21.099
Brandon and Barry. And what did he do for a living?

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In his younger days, he did a lot of things,

00:24:23.700 --> 00:24:27.579
but then in his last, he worked for 28 years

00:24:27.579 --> 00:24:30.980
as a bar supervisor at Shell Haven Heads Bowling

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Club. So you'd have an affiliation with that

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club? Not now, not now, but Bruce used to. For

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years, every year that it was his anniversary,

00:24:39.960 --> 00:24:42.059
when he retired, he went out there to have a

00:24:42.059 --> 00:24:44.619
beer, just so that they wouldn't forget him.

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We got married at St. Patrick's Catholic Church

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in Bury in 1979. And you have some kids that

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are now adults? Yes, Matthew and Glen. So your

00:24:54.200 --> 00:24:57.519
son Matthew, where does he live and what's he

00:24:57.519 --> 00:25:00.079
doing? He lives in the area and he's a cattle

00:25:00.079 --> 00:25:04.420
breeder. He breeds shorthorn cattle, yes, loves

00:25:04.420 --> 00:25:09.640
them, has had lovely success and it's really

00:25:09.640 --> 00:25:13.109
only a hobby, it's not his. his full -time job,

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but he lives for his cattle. Every day he's with

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his cattle. I think I see him on Coolingatta

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Road. Would that be right? You probably could

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do his cattle are out there on Coolingatta, right

00:25:24.470 --> 00:25:27.470
on Coolingatta Road. To Agar's Lane, goes down

00:25:27.470 --> 00:25:29.230
to Agar's Lane and all those cattle in there,

00:25:29.289 --> 00:25:31.690
from there to Agar's Lane, that's Matthew's cattle,

00:25:31.950 --> 00:25:35.630
yes. He is the man we see. With the hat on. And

00:25:35.630 --> 00:25:39.089
your other son? Glenn, he's not one bit interested

00:25:39.089 --> 00:25:41.710
in cuddle. And he's a real estate agent for Ray

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White and Nara. Your father, Patrick, ran the

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property. Yes. The land was sold in the early

00:25:48.410 --> 00:25:51.849
60s. Yes. Where was the property in Maroo? It

00:25:51.849 --> 00:25:55.250
was on Muller. It belonged to Jacob Muller. Lamons

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Lane, from Lamons Lane down to Phoenix. Yes.

00:26:01.089 --> 00:26:03.789
That land there on the left -hand side of the

00:26:03.789 --> 00:26:07.079
highway heading towards Nara. in there. There's

00:26:07.079 --> 00:26:10.200
still big silos and that is still there. That

00:26:10.200 --> 00:26:13.900
was the property that Mum and Dad bought. I don't

00:26:13.900 --> 00:26:17.400
really know why but I think they only kept the

00:26:17.400 --> 00:26:20.160
property for about 10 or 12 years and then sold

00:26:20.160 --> 00:26:22.779
it. And your older brother was helping with that

00:26:22.779 --> 00:26:25.319
property, was he? Yes, he was living there. Did

00:26:25.319 --> 00:26:27.740
the Mullers sell land or was that a separate

00:26:27.740 --> 00:26:30.160
property? That was a separate property. It belonged

00:26:30.160 --> 00:26:34.259
to, his name was Jake Muller. and I don't know

00:26:34.259 --> 00:26:37.700
whether he was Albert's brother or a cousin of

00:26:37.700 --> 00:26:39.940
Albert's, but I'm not sure, but it was Jake Muller

00:26:39.940 --> 00:26:43.140
that dad bought the farm off. Can you describe,

00:26:43.500 --> 00:26:46.339
did the house change much since your grandparents

00:26:46.339 --> 00:26:51.240
that you grew up in? No, no, not at all. Can

00:26:51.240 --> 00:26:53.940
you describe the house for me? It was very big,

00:26:54.519 --> 00:26:58.319
deemed to be elite, substantial for at the time

00:26:58.319 --> 00:27:01.680
that it was built. It had a wonderful big long

00:27:01.680 --> 00:27:05.000
hallway from the front door right down through

00:27:05.000 --> 00:27:09.799
the three bedrooms on leading off that big hallway.

00:27:10.480 --> 00:27:12.960
The bathroom was off the hallway. There was a

00:27:12.960 --> 00:27:17.680
little alcove where the telephone was. And then

00:27:17.680 --> 00:27:21.099
on the other right hand side was the massive

00:27:21.099 --> 00:27:26.470
big lounge room that had a big bay window. with

00:27:26.470 --> 00:27:28.930
seating like a seat and I remember I used to

00:27:28.930 --> 00:27:30.910
love the curtains that went across because I

00:27:30.910 --> 00:27:33.809
would play like as if I was on a stage and here

00:27:33.809 --> 00:27:36.930
I am dancing and pull the curtain back everybody

00:27:36.930 --> 00:27:38.970
had to then you went out from there everybody

00:27:38.970 --> 00:27:43.049
had to stand to attention and watch me watch

00:27:43.049 --> 00:27:46.450
your performances yes yes and then out from the

00:27:46.450 --> 00:27:49.690
end of the hallway was the dining room and it

00:27:49.690 --> 00:27:53.930
was huge when mum and dad sold the farm The dining

00:27:53.930 --> 00:27:56.789
room table had to stay there because they couldn't

00:27:56.789 --> 00:27:59.549
get it out because it sat 12 people at it. And

00:27:59.549 --> 00:28:02.210
then off the dining room was a very big kitchen

00:28:02.210 --> 00:28:05.250
with a little kitchen table with the wood fire

00:28:05.250 --> 00:28:08.650
stove. Out the back, down the steps was another

00:28:08.650 --> 00:28:10.990
building with three separate little rooms and

00:28:10.990 --> 00:28:14.509
that's where the farm helped the man that was

00:28:14.509 --> 00:28:17.150
employed. John McGuire was his name but he had

00:28:17.150 --> 00:28:19.950
a limp and everybody called him Stepper and he

00:28:19.950 --> 00:28:22.150
used to live in one of those rooms out there.

00:28:22.460 --> 00:28:25.220
and the laundry was out there as well. Yeah,

00:28:25.240 --> 00:28:27.099
I remember it all. Do you remember the laundry?

00:28:27.180 --> 00:28:28.880
How your mum had washed? Do you remember the

00:28:28.880 --> 00:28:31.680
system? It was always a copper. I guess, yeah,

00:28:31.680 --> 00:28:34.420
she did have some type of washing machine, but

00:28:34.420 --> 00:28:38.079
I can't recall what it was, but I know all the

00:28:38.079 --> 00:28:40.880
sheets and all the yucky, dirty, dairy clothes

00:28:40.880 --> 00:28:44.539
all went in the copper. And a hand ring and it

00:28:44.539 --> 00:28:47.500
rung out and you went out through the back fence

00:28:47.500 --> 00:28:50.740
and the clothesline was there and it wasn't a

00:28:50.740 --> 00:28:54.299
rotary, it was... a long clothesline and you

00:28:54.299 --> 00:28:57.759
propped it up with a prop to prop it up and that's

00:28:57.759 --> 00:29:00.700
where it closed. So was there a piano there?

00:29:01.160 --> 00:29:05.299
Oh yes there was a piano, always a piano in my

00:29:05.299 --> 00:29:10.160
mum's life. My mum was a very good pianist, like

00:29:10.160 --> 00:29:13.609
danced music and could play anything. read music

00:29:13.609 --> 00:29:18.390
and play, she just loved, always. I grew up knowing

00:29:18.390 --> 00:29:21.670
all my life, all the songs, because Mum used

00:29:21.670 --> 00:29:23.950
to play everything. It was wonderful, always

00:29:23.950 --> 00:29:26.329
on the piano. You're always hanging around the

00:29:26.329 --> 00:29:30.069
piano, dancing? Yes, we had a lovely time around

00:29:30.069 --> 00:29:33.049
the piano, always. As a little kid, you there?

00:29:33.869 --> 00:29:38.109
Yes, yes, yes. Dressing up and twirling around,

00:29:38.849 --> 00:29:42.170
and yeah, it was wonderful. When you talk about

00:29:42.170 --> 00:29:44.930
the songs, can you rattle a few off? Well she

00:29:44.930 --> 00:29:47.150
could play anything, like I can remember her

00:29:47.150 --> 00:29:50.029
playing Winifred Apple's Black and White Rag,

00:29:50.690 --> 00:29:53.710
like absolutely could play it wonderfully, and

00:29:53.710 --> 00:29:55.930
then just all sorts of dance music, whatever

00:29:55.930 --> 00:29:58.029
you play, people are doing the Pride of Erin

00:29:58.029 --> 00:30:00.589
or the Barn Dance. But she had suitcases and

00:30:00.589 --> 00:30:03.930
suitcases full of sheet music that all went to

00:30:03.930 --> 00:30:06.869
my nephew who lives in Goldman and he's a very

00:30:06.869 --> 00:30:09.569
talented musician. What's his name? His name

00:30:09.569 --> 00:30:12.180
is Gregory O 'Keefe. went to the right place

00:30:12.180 --> 00:30:17.180
then. So tell me about her playing around the

00:30:17.180 --> 00:30:18.920
district. What did she, she must have played

00:30:18.920 --> 00:30:21.819
in church and dance halls. She played the organ

00:30:21.819 --> 00:30:24.839
at Berry Catholic Church. She always used to

00:30:24.839 --> 00:30:27.960
play mostly for every wedding that was there.

00:30:28.259 --> 00:30:30.839
I can remember hearing an interview from ABC

00:30:30.839 --> 00:30:34.599
interviewed her years ago and I don't ever remember

00:30:34.599 --> 00:30:37.349
what happened to the tape but There used to be

00:30:37.349 --> 00:30:41.130
dances in Gerringong and her and her sister would

00:30:41.130 --> 00:30:44.809
go to the dances with their father on the horse

00:30:44.809 --> 00:30:47.049
and cart and they'd have supper and you'd go

00:30:47.049 --> 00:30:49.630
out to the supper room. Everyone would go to

00:30:49.630 --> 00:30:52.589
the supper room to have their supper but my mum

00:30:52.589 --> 00:30:55.089
this one night didn't and she got up onto the

00:30:55.089 --> 00:30:58.589
stage as a 13 or 14 year old and started playing

00:30:58.589 --> 00:31:01.890
the piano. Her father was not impressed but everybody

00:31:01.890 --> 00:31:05.170
else was impressed because they said Bill, leave

00:31:05.170 --> 00:31:07.809
her alone, let her keep playing. And what was

00:31:07.809 --> 00:31:11.509
her father's name? William Omara. And do you

00:31:11.509 --> 00:31:14.390
remember her mum's name? Yes, her mum was Alice

00:31:14.390 --> 00:31:18.269
Omara. Fox Ground? Yes. Did you ever go to Fox

00:31:18.269 --> 00:31:21.769
Ground and see relatives? No. After my mum and

00:31:21.769 --> 00:31:24.509
dad got married, my grandfather and grandmother

00:31:24.509 --> 00:31:28.210
moved back to Cobargo. They came from Cobargo

00:31:28.210 --> 00:31:30.910
and then they moved back to Cobargo. My grandmother

00:31:30.910 --> 00:31:36.519
passed away down in Cobargo. and then granddad

00:31:36.519 --> 00:31:39.640
moved back to Berry and built a house in Clarence

00:31:39.640 --> 00:31:43.299
Street, Berry, just opposite the primary school.

00:31:43.539 --> 00:31:46.240
So your maternal side you're talking about? Yes,

00:31:46.240 --> 00:31:49.740
yes. Now, your mum also played at dances and

00:31:49.740 --> 00:31:52.539
you mentioned Bonnie Muller, who passed recently.

00:31:52.799 --> 00:31:55.559
Can you talk a little bit about the dances and...

00:31:55.559 --> 00:31:58.420
Well, Bonnie used to sing at a lot of weddings,

00:31:58.619 --> 00:32:01.220
so mum used to accompany her on the organ at

00:32:01.220 --> 00:32:03.930
a lot of the weddings at the church. Mum then

00:32:03.930 --> 00:32:07.369
used to play dance music and all the Walshes

00:32:07.369 --> 00:32:11.690
that that Vonnie was, a Walsh, were very musical.

00:32:11.970 --> 00:32:14.809
They had their own band when they were younger.

00:32:15.230 --> 00:32:18.829
But then in later years, Vonnie's brother Frank

00:32:18.829 --> 00:32:21.930
used to play the drums and he used to accompany

00:32:21.930 --> 00:32:25.450
Mum on dance music as Mum playing the piano and

00:32:25.450 --> 00:32:28.210
him playing the drums. And sometimes there was

00:32:28.210 --> 00:32:30.630
another one that would play the saxophone and

00:32:30.630 --> 00:32:33.150
that was the dance music. I could just hear a

00:32:33.150 --> 00:32:36.089
buzz. Oh, that's my fridge. Oh, yeah, hang on.

00:32:36.750 --> 00:32:39.990
Did you know the Walshes? My mum used to help

00:32:39.990 --> 00:32:45.170
Frank Walsh a lot when they had the youngest

00:32:45.170 --> 00:32:48.170
child, Mark, and he was... Gene wasn't well and

00:32:48.170 --> 00:32:50.809
Mark wasn't well and they were in Sydney Hospital

00:32:50.809 --> 00:32:53.509
for a long time. And that's when my mum and dad

00:32:53.509 --> 00:32:56.349
had the farm at Maroo Meadow. When dad would

00:32:56.349 --> 00:32:59.980
go to the farm, he would drop mum off at... Frank

00:32:59.980 --> 00:33:03.539
and Jean Walsh's and she would cook for Frank

00:33:03.539 --> 00:33:05.799
because Jean was away and do the cooking and

00:33:05.799 --> 00:33:08.559
look after the children and then when dad was

00:33:08.559 --> 00:33:11.519
coming home from the farm he'd pick mum up and

00:33:11.519 --> 00:33:15.180
away we go and she did that for a long time while

00:33:15.180 --> 00:33:18.480
Jean was very ill. Real community -minded people.

00:33:19.200 --> 00:33:21.920
Yes. Well I mean the Walsh's. Yeah. You would

00:33:21.920 --> 00:33:24.539
have been close. Yes, yes, for sure. You would

00:33:24.539 --> 00:33:26.940
have seen them at church. Yes, yes. Anything

00:33:26.940 --> 00:33:29.359
more to say about your mum's music? It sounds

00:33:29.359 --> 00:33:31.559
beautiful. Not a great deal more to say. She

00:33:31.559 --> 00:33:33.759
just, you know, she wasn't a professional or

00:33:33.759 --> 00:33:36.819
anything. She just loved playing and could play

00:33:36.819 --> 00:33:39.960
very well. And what sort of person was she? Oh,

00:33:39.960 --> 00:33:42.680
my mum was a very caring person, a very loyal

00:33:42.680 --> 00:33:45.559
person and she, yeah, she was just wonderful.

00:33:45.839 --> 00:33:48.740
My mum was really, really good person. Very well

00:33:48.740 --> 00:33:53.059
respected lady. And your dad, Patrick? He was

00:33:53.059 --> 00:33:56.180
on the farm, running the farm. A typical Irish,

00:33:56.339 --> 00:33:59.380
probably pretty stubborn. Was he a drinker? An

00:33:59.380 --> 00:34:02.259
occasional beer and he liked his scotch but don't

00:34:02.259 --> 00:34:04.980
put water in it and don't put ice in it, don't

00:34:04.980 --> 00:34:07.680
ruin it. But that was only occasionally, there

00:34:07.680 --> 00:34:10.119
was always, yeah, you wouldn't call him a drinker,

00:34:10.260 --> 00:34:13.059
no. So you're at school, what's happening in

00:34:13.059 --> 00:34:15.809
the lane? Tell me you're walking... Home from

00:34:15.809 --> 00:34:18.110
Jasper's Brush School up the lane? No, I didn't

00:34:18.110 --> 00:34:20.610
go to Jasper's Brush School. I went to St Patrick's

00:34:20.610 --> 00:34:24.070
in Bury. But your brothers went there? No. Do

00:34:24.070 --> 00:34:26.170
they ever go to Jasper's Brush? No. Who's in

00:34:26.170 --> 00:34:31.429
that 51 photo? Dennis, my cousin. Your cousin

00:34:31.429 --> 00:34:34.429
Dennis? Yes, went to school at Jasper's Brush.

00:34:35.309 --> 00:34:38.869
My brothers went to school in Bury for a little

00:34:38.869 --> 00:34:43.190
while, for a time. Where at? St Patrick's. So

00:34:43.190 --> 00:34:46.429
there was a school there? Yes. It's not there

00:34:46.429 --> 00:34:52.929
now though, is it? No, no. It closed in about

00:34:52.929 --> 00:34:58.090
1977 or 78. It is a primary school. That primary

00:34:58.090 --> 00:35:02.210
school building now was moved and it's up at

00:35:02.210 --> 00:35:06.030
Berry Primary School, the actual St. Patrick's

00:35:06.030 --> 00:35:09.650
School building. My brother Ray used to board

00:35:09.650 --> 00:35:13.880
at the convent at St. Patrick's. because there

00:35:13.880 --> 00:35:17.320
was no way in and out of town at that time, so

00:35:17.320 --> 00:35:20.619
Ray used to board there from Monday to Friday

00:35:20.619 --> 00:35:24.039
and come home on the weekends. Then later on

00:35:24.039 --> 00:35:27.599
there was a taxi service or a bus service, whatever,

00:35:28.019 --> 00:35:31.179
that went to Nara, so then both Ray and Max went

00:35:31.179 --> 00:35:35.099
to St Michael's at Nara. My sister Del went to

00:35:35.099 --> 00:35:38.380
school at St Patrick's in Bury and then she went

00:35:38.380 --> 00:35:42.030
to Nara High School. I went to school at St.

00:35:42.269 --> 00:35:44.650
Patrick's in Bury and then I went from there

00:35:44.650 --> 00:35:48.329
to St. Michael's High School in Nara. What sort

00:35:48.329 --> 00:35:51.690
of nuns were teaching at St. Patrick's? Brown

00:35:51.690 --> 00:35:55.170
St. Joseph nuns. The Joeys? The Joeys, yes. They

00:35:55.170 --> 00:35:58.230
okay? Oh, they were wonderful. And then I went

00:35:58.230 --> 00:36:00.510
to St. Michael's and they were good Samaritan

00:36:00.510 --> 00:36:02.929
nuns and they were different. Right, where the

00:36:02.929 --> 00:36:06.429
Catholic Church is in Bury and it faces south,

00:36:06.570 --> 00:36:08.829
the front of it's facing south onto Albert Street,

00:36:09.190 --> 00:36:11.269
straight across from the gates there from where

00:36:11.269 --> 00:36:14.530
the preschool is, that was part of St Patrick's

00:36:14.530 --> 00:36:17.210
School, where the preschool is down to the highway,

00:36:17.730 --> 00:36:20.590
right down where all those townhouses are. That

00:36:20.590 --> 00:36:22.889
was all the land for St Patrick's School and

00:36:22.889 --> 00:36:25.889
the building was on that land and then... It

00:36:25.889 --> 00:36:29.690
was sold to raise funds for clothes because of

00:36:29.690 --> 00:36:32.510
diminishing numbers of students and then they

00:36:32.510 --> 00:36:36.650
decided to sell it to raise funds for St Michael's

00:36:36.650 --> 00:36:39.989
and our parish. A lot of elderly people weren't

00:36:39.989 --> 00:36:43.210
very happy about it. The Department of Education,

00:36:43.210 --> 00:36:47.389
I think it was, actually then removed the school

00:36:47.389 --> 00:36:50.869
building from there and it was transported up

00:36:50.869 --> 00:36:53.949
to Berry Primary School and it's on the land

00:36:53.949 --> 00:36:56.659
up there. I'm not certain what it's used for,

00:36:56.940 --> 00:36:59.400
but it's definitely up there. Go and have a look,

00:36:59.539 --> 00:37:02.679
you'll see it. George Street End. So, in the

00:37:02.679 --> 00:37:06.239
lane, who had the properties in O 'Keeffe Lane?

00:37:06.639 --> 00:37:09.780
And who your neighbours were? Our closest neighbour

00:37:09.780 --> 00:37:13.159
was on the opposite side of the road, which was

00:37:13.159 --> 00:37:16.980
Bill and Frank Allsiser. On the other side of

00:37:16.980 --> 00:37:19.460
us, down towards the other side where the creek

00:37:19.460 --> 00:37:23.550
went around, was Lindsay Cochrane. Before that

00:37:23.550 --> 00:37:26.369
it was Rickson's and Lindsay Cochrane brought

00:37:26.369 --> 00:37:29.429
the farm from Percy Rickson. Now Percy Rickson

00:37:29.429 --> 00:37:33.469
was my Aunty Youna's parents. That's all there

00:37:33.469 --> 00:37:37.869
was. Cochrane's, O 'Keeffe's and Allsizes in

00:37:37.869 --> 00:37:41.250
O 'Keeffe's Lane. That was it. And then Richard

00:37:41.250 --> 00:37:45.889
Cochrane that later on owned Allsizes farm and

00:37:45.889 --> 00:37:48.650
I'm pretty certain that it was Richard Cochrane

00:37:48.650 --> 00:37:52.559
that sold the... that farm to the Ray and Colleen

00:37:52.559 --> 00:37:56.719
Timms and their son Paul is still there now.

00:37:56.960 --> 00:37:59.500
But there's lots been broken up and that lake

00:37:59.500 --> 00:38:02.880
is sold off now. But who else lives there now?

00:38:03.000 --> 00:38:06.300
I have no idea. Who bought your land? Originally

00:38:06.300 --> 00:38:09.639
the first people that bought somebody from Jambaroo

00:38:09.639 --> 00:38:12.079
and I can't remember their name and then they

00:38:12.079 --> 00:38:16.940
sold it to Doug and Beatty Long that lived there

00:38:16.940 --> 00:38:20.760
for years. I don't know whether you know Jeannie

00:38:20.760 --> 00:38:23.619
Rumble, David and Jean Rumble. Well, that's where

00:38:23.619 --> 00:38:27.260
she was brought up. And then they retired off

00:38:27.260 --> 00:38:30.139
the farm and sold it to Keith and Gloria Carter.

00:38:30.519 --> 00:38:33.300
Then I can't remember how long ago they sold

00:38:33.300 --> 00:38:35.760
it and who bought it from then, I don't know.

00:38:36.199 --> 00:38:38.380
But I don't think it was continued to be run

00:38:38.380 --> 00:38:41.260
as a dairy farm. At the end of the lane there's

00:38:41.260 --> 00:38:44.300
that wedding thing called Jaspers. That's where

00:38:44.300 --> 00:38:46.159
they are. That was a primary school. That was

00:38:46.159 --> 00:38:48.559
Jaspers brush school. My cousin Dennis, he went

00:38:48.559 --> 00:38:50.699
to school there. What happened to that land?

00:38:51.059 --> 00:38:54.019
Dennis' land. Dennis passed away a few years

00:38:54.019 --> 00:38:56.739
ago. We've been the last 10 years. It wouldn't

00:38:56.739 --> 00:39:00.110
be 10 years since he passed away. And so... His

00:39:00.110 --> 00:39:03.309
wife inherited the land. She wasn't really a

00:39:03.309 --> 00:39:07.130
farmer. He had sold a lot of it off to Turfco.

00:39:07.289 --> 00:39:10.909
He only kept about five acres and the house is

00:39:10.909 --> 00:39:14.530
still there and Marilyn then didn't stay on the

00:39:14.530 --> 00:39:18.389
property but her son -in -law, I believe it is,

00:39:18.650 --> 00:39:21.340
King, I can't remember his first name. him and

00:39:21.340 --> 00:39:24.659
his wife live there now. Is he a king from over

00:39:24.659 --> 00:39:27.920
the river or? Number because where Turfco is

00:39:27.920 --> 00:39:31.260
now. Which side are we? The north or the south?

00:39:33.099 --> 00:39:35.619
They're on both sides now. I know but Dennis

00:39:35.619 --> 00:39:38.219
owned both. Dennis, my cousin Dennis, eventually

00:39:38.219 --> 00:39:41.760
owned both sides and Turfco bought western side

00:39:41.760 --> 00:39:44.820
from Dennis because he owned that and then he

00:39:44.820 --> 00:39:47.219
sold when he sold that off he sold it to Turfco

00:39:47.219 --> 00:39:51.420
and then then on the O 'Keeffe's Lane side. Dennis

00:39:51.420 --> 00:39:55.280
eventually sold off more and more land to Turfco,

00:39:55.440 --> 00:39:59.260
which you'll see now is all Turfco. A debit grew

00:39:59.260 --> 00:40:02.460
up in that old house there on the Norland side.

00:40:03.039 --> 00:40:06.619
That's right. Did the debits own that? The debits

00:40:06.619 --> 00:40:08.780
owned that. My husband lived there for a long

00:40:08.780 --> 00:40:11.239
time because he was related to the debits and

00:40:11.239 --> 00:40:13.380
they lived in that house. That's how come my

00:40:13.380 --> 00:40:16.400
husband was at Justice Braskell. So the Brandons

00:40:16.400 --> 00:40:19.460
are related to the debits? Yes. But that's not

00:40:19.460 --> 00:40:21.099
where he was brought up. He was brought up in

00:40:21.099 --> 00:40:23.260
Wattamulla. He used to pride himself on going

00:40:23.260 --> 00:40:26.639
to three schools. Wattamulla School, Justus Brush

00:40:26.639 --> 00:40:30.280
School and Perry Primary School. Well, he was

00:40:30.280 --> 00:40:35.119
a local. Yes, yes. A dairy farm at Wattamulla?

00:40:35.760 --> 00:40:39.360
Yes. Who were his parents? Lyle and Myra Brandon.

00:40:39.880 --> 00:40:42.440
Where did you meet your husband? I knew him forever.

00:40:42.699 --> 00:40:45.400
He was similar age to my brothers. I used to

00:40:45.400 --> 00:40:47.940
laugh at when I went to school. He used to work

00:40:47.940 --> 00:40:50.139
at the bakers and he used to deliver the pies

00:40:50.139 --> 00:40:53.679
on Tuesday. Just always around. I just always

00:40:53.679 --> 00:40:57.159
knew him. Yes, always. He went away to work.

00:40:57.260 --> 00:41:00.219
He went to work. He lived in New Zealand for

00:41:00.219 --> 00:41:02.000
a while. And then when he came back from New

00:41:02.000 --> 00:41:04.500
Zealand, he went and worked in Dampier when they

00:41:04.500 --> 00:41:07.159
were first opening up up there in Port Headland.

00:41:07.389 --> 00:41:10.190
And then he came back and we got together and

00:41:10.190 --> 00:41:13.349
got married and happily ever after till two years

00:41:13.349 --> 00:41:16.309
ago when he passed away. When did you realise

00:41:16.309 --> 00:41:20.769
to actually get together? I wanted to go to the

00:41:20.769 --> 00:41:23.969
Berry Show Ball and I had nobody to take me in

00:41:23.969 --> 00:41:27.590
or to be my partner. A very good friend who I

00:41:27.590 --> 00:41:31.059
used to call Uncle Bob said... Come on Cor, why

00:41:31.059 --> 00:41:33.880
don't you just go take her to the ball? She really

00:41:33.880 --> 00:41:36.460
wants to go. And so that's how it started. He

00:41:36.460 --> 00:41:39.139
took me to the ball and that was it. What did

00:41:39.139 --> 00:41:42.559
you wear? I probably made my own. How did you

00:41:42.559 --> 00:41:45.940
learn to sew? You had to do it at school, didn't

00:41:45.940 --> 00:41:49.320
you? I don't do it now. Were you good? No. I

00:41:49.320 --> 00:41:51.960
could make clothes though, but not anymore. What

00:41:51.960 --> 00:41:54.199
did you do for a living? Did you work? I did

00:41:54.199 --> 00:41:58.559
work. I worked in the bacon berry that's now...

00:41:58.780 --> 00:42:02.420
It was called the CBC Bank, CBC Bank of Sydney,

00:42:02.920 --> 00:42:05.920
that then later became the NAV Bank that's down

00:42:05.920 --> 00:42:09.659
on the corner in Berry, next to the hotel. I

00:42:09.659 --> 00:42:12.760
worked there for a while. After that, I worked

00:42:12.760 --> 00:42:15.320
at Berry Pharmacy. I worked for Lance Sewell.

00:42:15.619 --> 00:42:19.300
I worked for Lance Sewell for 39 years. Lance

00:42:19.300 --> 00:42:23.059
bought a pharmacy in Nara, but had a manager

00:42:23.059 --> 00:42:26.969
in Berry, and I stayed working at Berry. until

00:42:26.969 --> 00:42:30.570
he sold the pharmacy in Bury. And then when he

00:42:30.570 --> 00:42:33.530
sold the pharmacy in Bury, I went to work for

00:42:33.530 --> 00:42:35.929
him in Nauru and I worked there for him until

00:42:35.929 --> 00:42:38.610
I retired. So you would have seen a lot of changes

00:42:38.610 --> 00:42:42.070
in Bury? Oh, an awful lot of change, yes, yes.

00:42:42.650 --> 00:42:44.989
What are some of those changes? I mean, that

00:42:44.989 --> 00:42:48.039
you... want to talk about. Just a whole different

00:42:48.039 --> 00:42:50.699
dramatic like it and it's good like there's car

00:42:50.699 --> 00:42:53.880
parks there now there wasn't car parks out the

00:42:53.880 --> 00:42:56.300
back where the car park is now when I worked

00:42:56.300 --> 00:43:01.250
in the pharmacy was just long tall grass and

00:43:01.250 --> 00:43:03.789
a little track through it. There was best coffee

00:43:03.789 --> 00:43:06.269
shops everywhere in Bury now but I can remember

00:43:06.269 --> 00:43:08.789
working pharmacy and people had come in and say

00:43:08.789 --> 00:43:11.409
is there anywhere where we could get a cup of

00:43:11.409 --> 00:43:14.130
tea or a cup of coffee. Well if you go next door

00:43:14.130 --> 00:43:17.409
to Bill Bramley's, Beryl will probably make you

00:43:17.409 --> 00:43:20.230
a cuppa but you'd have to wait for Bill to move

00:43:20.230 --> 00:43:23.170
the bags of potatoes off the tables and chairs.

00:43:23.599 --> 00:43:26.119
for you to sit down, but that's about the only

00:43:26.119 --> 00:43:28.880
place you'll get a cup of coffee. What era are

00:43:28.880 --> 00:43:31.280
we talking about there? The 70s? Well that would

00:43:31.280 --> 00:43:35.019
be in the 70s, yes. At that stage there were

00:43:35.019 --> 00:43:38.360
three butcher shops in town and now there's only

00:43:38.360 --> 00:43:42.199
one. Who owned those? And where were they? Atkins,

00:43:42.400 --> 00:43:46.679
which is now Mountainside Meats, up where Ivy

00:43:46.679 --> 00:43:50.539
Coffee is, at the front of that, that was next

00:43:50.539 --> 00:43:54.900
door to the chemist shop, was Rudd Holland's

00:43:54.900 --> 00:43:58.420
butcher shop. And then further up, next to the

00:43:58.420 --> 00:44:02.659
old Mitre 10, where the locals, what you call

00:44:02.659 --> 00:44:06.719
it, coffee shop is now, was Williams's butcher

00:44:06.719 --> 00:44:10.099
shop. Big on me, in this town. Must have been,

00:44:10.239 --> 00:44:13.559
because three of them survived. Yes, and then

00:44:13.559 --> 00:44:16.860
there was another grocery store next door that

00:44:16.860 --> 00:44:20.000
was Frank Willis's, was a grocery shop. Then

00:44:20.000 --> 00:44:24.920
it became a Mitre 10. and now it's a dress shop,

00:44:25.099 --> 00:44:27.860
but that's what it was before that. The two hotels

00:44:27.860 --> 00:44:30.940
have always been the same. Top pub? Top pub and

00:44:30.940 --> 00:44:33.119
bottom pub, of course. Did you drink at either

00:44:33.119 --> 00:44:37.579
of them? Yes, yes. Both or? Both, on and off,

00:44:37.719 --> 00:44:40.940
but mainly used to do a lot at the bottom pub.

00:44:41.360 --> 00:44:44.420
I sold racquet tickets there every Friday night

00:44:44.420 --> 00:44:48.699
for about 20 to 25 years with help for Berry

00:44:48.699 --> 00:44:51.230
Hockey Club and Berry Cricket Club. I was very

00:44:51.230 --> 00:44:53.389
involved with hockey. I was president of Bury

00:44:53.389 --> 00:44:56.989
Hockey Club for something like 25, 26 years.

00:44:57.610 --> 00:45:01.590
I was also president of South Coast Hockey Association

00:45:01.590 --> 00:45:06.610
for 18 years. So of course we did home away and

00:45:06.610 --> 00:45:08.750
it was all north and so you'd go and play hockey

00:45:08.750 --> 00:45:11.929
at Jamburu or come home, we'd all arrange, we'll

00:45:11.929 --> 00:45:13.949
meet at the bottom pub and have drinks after

00:45:13.949 --> 00:45:16.710
the game. So I did drink a bit at the bottom

00:45:16.710 --> 00:45:20.230
hotel. The hockey club was that... both genders

00:45:20.230 --> 00:45:24.030
or women or? It was women. It's women. Later

00:45:24.030 --> 00:45:27.230
on, later years, there was a couple of men's

00:45:27.230 --> 00:45:30.469
teams but not now. But next year, it'll be 80

00:45:30.469 --> 00:45:33.070
years and Berry Hockey Club has been going continuously

00:45:33.070 --> 00:45:36.090
for 80 years. So they're planning that maybe

00:45:36.090 --> 00:45:38.170
they might have a lovely big ball in the Berry

00:45:38.170 --> 00:45:40.710
School of Arts to mark 80 years of Berry Hockey

00:45:40.710 --> 00:45:43.190
Club. So you were a bit of a hockey player, were

00:45:43.190 --> 00:45:46.849
you? I was a bit of a hockey player, yes. What

00:45:46.849 --> 00:45:49.789
position? Left half. Some of your mates that

00:45:49.789 --> 00:45:52.809
played hockey? Well probably my very best friend

00:45:52.809 --> 00:45:56.469
who was present when I started was a lady called

00:45:56.469 --> 00:46:00.389
Merle McPhee and we went to hockey for years

00:46:00.389 --> 00:46:04.429
and years together but I have got a lot of my

00:46:04.429 --> 00:46:07.670
friends are hockey friends and there's only five

00:46:07.670 --> 00:46:10.670
like members of Berry Hockey Club. There was

00:46:10.670 --> 00:46:13.929
Merle McPhee and then myself. We were the only

00:46:13.929 --> 00:46:17.780
two for a long time. And then there's my very

00:46:17.780 --> 00:46:21.139
good friend Debbie Wolford is a life member.

00:46:21.619 --> 00:46:25.940
Jenny Warden's a life member. And Jan Richards

00:46:25.940 --> 00:46:29.380
is a life member. And then about three years

00:46:29.380 --> 00:46:33.539
ago, the current president Jodie Sims was made

00:46:33.539 --> 00:46:36.340
a life member as well. And that's the whole total

00:46:36.340 --> 00:46:38.719
of life members for Berry Hockey Club. What was

00:46:38.719 --> 00:46:41.309
the colour of the uniform? of course, black and

00:46:41.309 --> 00:46:44.010
white. Berry Magpies, yeah, just Berry Hockey

00:46:44.010 --> 00:46:47.510
Club, Magpies, black and white. Old days, everything

00:46:47.510 --> 00:46:50.469
was black and white in Berry. Where did you play

00:46:50.469 --> 00:46:53.949
in Berry? Where were your grounds? When I first

00:46:53.949 --> 00:46:58.610
started, it was at the St Patrick's Catholic

00:46:58.610 --> 00:47:01.130
School, because it was a big area, big grounds,

00:47:01.230 --> 00:47:05.570
and the hockey fields were there. Then... down

00:47:05.570 --> 00:47:08.849
at the show ground where the caravan park is

00:47:08.849 --> 00:47:13.170
before previous to that and previous it was the

00:47:13.170 --> 00:47:15.630
the hockey field previous to that it was just

00:47:15.630 --> 00:47:18.989
a swampy area and and the island there was called

00:47:18.989 --> 00:47:22.630
bamboo island in the middle and worked and worked

00:47:22.630 --> 00:47:27.460
with the council to converted into a hockey field,

00:47:27.659 --> 00:47:30.000
a permanent hockey field at Berry Hockey Club.

00:47:30.719 --> 00:47:32.559
We used to think it was wonderful because there

00:47:32.559 --> 00:47:35.079
were lights there, we had lights put on and we

00:47:35.079 --> 00:47:37.880
could train on it. Previous to that we trained

00:47:37.880 --> 00:47:40.460
on the football field but we could only use the

00:47:40.460 --> 00:47:42.940
trotting light tracks because the hockey club

00:47:42.940 --> 00:47:45.960
couldn't afford to pay for the big lights. That's

00:47:45.960 --> 00:47:47.920
it, that's where the hockey field was in Berry.

00:47:48.159 --> 00:47:52.699
When did you stop playing? A long time ago. So

00:47:52.699 --> 00:47:56.090
are you involved today? No. I still know what's

00:47:56.090 --> 00:47:59.710
going on and I still know Barry. I promised my

00:47:59.710 --> 00:48:03.409
husband that I would give up hockey when he retired.

00:48:03.690 --> 00:48:07.230
So the year that he retired I didn't stand for

00:48:07.230 --> 00:48:10.449
re -election at South Coast Hockey Association

00:48:10.449 --> 00:48:13.869
or with Barry because I'd promised him I'd give

00:48:13.869 --> 00:48:16.210
it up when he retired. Let's talk about your

00:48:16.210 --> 00:48:20.280
father, Patrick. and his connection to the Berry

00:48:20.280 --> 00:48:23.500
Show Society. You've got a photo that you showed

00:48:23.500 --> 00:48:26.599
me, a portrait of your father in the 50s. Tell

00:48:26.599 --> 00:48:29.739
me a bit about his contribution to that society

00:48:29.739 --> 00:48:33.619
and his roles. His role. Well, he always showed

00:48:33.619 --> 00:48:36.699
cattle at Berry Show. Everything around our family

00:48:36.699 --> 00:48:39.579
showed Berry Show time. Everything revolved around

00:48:39.579 --> 00:48:41.880
it. Everything else stopped because of the Berry

00:48:41.880 --> 00:48:45.019
Show. Dad was president of Berry Show Society

00:48:45.019 --> 00:48:50.190
at one stage. I guess in the 50s I think it was.

00:48:51.210 --> 00:48:54.550
There's a big photo on the wall where the meeting

00:48:54.550 --> 00:48:58.230
rooms are with Dad and all the committee men

00:48:58.230 --> 00:49:01.210
and that would have the year on it. Then later

00:49:01.210 --> 00:49:06.989
on he was elected as president again and he was

00:49:06.989 --> 00:49:09.429
the first one at that time that had ever been

00:49:09.429 --> 00:49:12.239
re -elected to be president. twice, but of course

00:49:12.239 --> 00:49:14.900
it's happened again since then. My mother was

00:49:14.900 --> 00:49:17.840
also a life member of Berry Show Society, so

00:49:17.840 --> 00:49:20.360
they were both life members of Berry Show Society.

00:49:20.539 --> 00:49:23.500
Your dad was a judge of cattle? My dad was a,

00:49:23.639 --> 00:49:26.380
yes he was a judge of cattle. He judged at many

00:49:26.380 --> 00:49:29.039
shows all around the state of New South Wales,

00:49:29.199 --> 00:49:33.860
as well as he judged at every capital city show

00:49:33.860 --> 00:49:38.599
in Australia. Kiltankin. The Kiltankin breed?

00:49:38.760 --> 00:49:42.250
Yes. You have a collection of photographs here,

00:49:42.650 --> 00:49:46.469
but let's just read one of them that Will's photograph,

00:49:46.630 --> 00:49:49.429
if you don't mind. There's one here, beautiful

00:49:49.429 --> 00:49:52.650
Illawarra, and just read through the awards.

00:49:52.730 --> 00:49:56.469
Okay, this is Kirtank and Jester. Third, Sydney

00:49:56.469 --> 00:50:04.670
Royal, 1942. Fourth, Sydney Royal, 1943. Reserve

00:50:04.670 --> 00:50:09.460
champion, Sydney Royal, 1947. Reserve champion

00:50:09.460 --> 00:50:16.480
at Berry 1947, champion at Berry 1949, champion

00:50:16.480 --> 00:50:21.079
at Berry at Nara 1949, and champion at Berry

00:50:21.079 --> 00:50:24.840
1950. Let's just have a read of this beautiful

00:50:24.840 --> 00:50:28.500
ball. Okay, this is salute. Champion at Berry

00:50:28.500 --> 00:50:34.010
1940, Wollongong 19... 44, third at Sydney Royal

00:50:34.010 --> 00:50:38.949
1941, a reserve champion at Wollongong 1940,

00:50:39.590 --> 00:50:44.949
Dapto 1941 and Berry 1941. So when you talk about

00:50:44.949 --> 00:50:49.650
breeding Illawarra shorthorns, it started when

00:50:49.650 --> 00:50:53.789
your grandfather started, you know, Keith Slane.

00:50:53.789 --> 00:50:56.030
Yes. Willow or a Shorthorn, they would have been

00:50:56.030 --> 00:50:58.750
close to the Walshes, do you think? Because they

00:50:58.750 --> 00:51:02.070
did develop the breed, the twins. Yes, my father,

00:51:02.130 --> 00:51:05.130
my father used to help them when they started

00:51:05.130 --> 00:51:07.710
off Tom and Ted and they lived at Far Meadow.

00:51:08.190 --> 00:51:11.719
I can remember going out there when they... when

00:51:11.719 --> 00:51:14.260
they started their Illawarra's and Dad going

00:51:14.260 --> 00:51:17.400
out there giving them some advice. There would

00:51:17.400 --> 00:51:19.860
have been some Kangaroo Valley connection as

00:51:19.860 --> 00:51:22.880
well because they had cows at Kangaroo Valley.

00:51:23.079 --> 00:51:25.840
That's exactly right, yes, yes. Yeah, so what

00:51:25.840 --> 00:51:28.739
am I right about? Tell me what you know. I had

00:51:28.739 --> 00:51:31.159
a feeling that there could be some connection

00:51:31.159 --> 00:51:34.579
or relation with them because they were all brought

00:51:34.579 --> 00:51:37.780
up in Kangaroo Valley but I don't know what it

00:51:37.780 --> 00:51:43.329
is for sure. But then Walshers also had place

00:51:43.329 --> 00:51:46.869
up at Bellawongra. Tom and Ted had place at Bellawongra.

00:51:46.989 --> 00:51:48.769
And they used to have their cattle up there.

00:51:49.210 --> 00:51:52.110
That was after they moved from Far Meadow to

00:51:52.110 --> 00:51:54.789
Jambiru. But they used to use the Bellawongra

00:51:54.789 --> 00:51:58.190
property as their dry run. So there was connection

00:51:58.190 --> 00:52:01.969
there with breeding? I'm sure so, yes, yes. Yeah,

00:52:01.969 --> 00:52:03.630
they would have had to have been. And because

00:52:03.630 --> 00:52:06.610
your grandmother was the Tims? Yes, yes, that's

00:52:06.610 --> 00:52:09.289
right. That's right. They all would have known

00:52:09.289 --> 00:52:13.000
each other. Absolutely. Absolutely. That's why

00:52:13.000 --> 00:52:16.800
these bulls are so beautiful to look at. Oh,

00:52:16.800 --> 00:52:19.440
thank you. They'd be pleased to hear you say

00:52:19.440 --> 00:52:24.119
that. So Grahams Park, did your bulls ever...

00:52:24.119 --> 00:52:27.119
No. They had their own bulls. Where were they

00:52:27.119 --> 00:52:29.300
getting their AI from? Yeah, they used to buy

00:52:29.300 --> 00:52:32.199
bulls. They used to buy... really good stud bulls

00:52:32.199 --> 00:52:34.059
that people wanted to get rid of and they would

00:52:34.059 --> 00:52:36.239
buy them and they would have them there so that

00:52:36.239 --> 00:52:38.699
then they collected the semen. Which brother

00:52:38.699 --> 00:52:41.699
worked at Graham Park? Max. Yeah, so they had

00:52:41.699 --> 00:52:45.460
their own bulls? Yes, yes. Were they all local

00:52:45.460 --> 00:52:48.920
bulls that you know of? No, not all local bulls,

00:52:49.019 --> 00:52:52.880
no. They would have cattle that they would call

00:52:52.880 --> 00:52:55.940
cheeses. When they were on heat, they would bring

00:52:55.940 --> 00:52:58.139
them into the yard, they would bring the bulls.

00:52:58.159 --> 00:53:02.599
up the bulls would go into a little a crush like

00:53:02.599 --> 00:53:05.099
into a crush and then the bulls would think that

00:53:05.099 --> 00:53:07.059
they were going to mount these heifers and then

00:53:07.059 --> 00:53:09.639
they would collect the semen would be they would

00:53:09.639 --> 00:53:12.639
never get to reach them and the semen was collected

00:53:12.639 --> 00:53:15.159
and then went into the laboratory because there

00:53:15.159 --> 00:53:18.820
was a laboratory out there and they would I don't

00:53:18.820 --> 00:53:22.340
know how process the the semen but it was frozen

00:53:22.340 --> 00:53:24.760
in liquid nitrogen and I think it's still done

00:53:24.760 --> 00:53:27.239
that way today. What was your brother doing?

00:53:27.440 --> 00:53:30.840
My brother was an inseminator. He used to go

00:53:30.840 --> 00:53:33.019
out. Farmers would ring up and say that their

00:53:33.019 --> 00:53:35.699
cows were on heat and they'd lock them and keep

00:53:35.699 --> 00:53:38.840
them separate and then the inseminators would

00:53:38.840 --> 00:53:42.420
go out and inseminate them. Did they have a choice,

00:53:42.639 --> 00:53:46.869
a magazine choice, of what... AI? I don't know,

00:53:46.949 --> 00:53:48.949
but I guess they did. They would have known what

00:53:48.949 --> 00:53:51.570
breed or who they want to breed to. Yes, yes.

00:53:51.710 --> 00:53:53.690
So that would have changed at your home. Did

00:53:53.690 --> 00:53:56.389
you continue, did you use Graham Puck, your dad,

00:53:56.590 --> 00:53:59.750
for AI? No. You had your own bulls all the time?

00:53:59.789 --> 00:54:02.650
Yes. Do you remember any bull names while you

00:54:02.650 --> 00:54:05.010
were growing up? Yes, salute. I wouldn't have

00:54:05.010 --> 00:54:08.289
been around by the time I was born, but I remember

00:54:08.289 --> 00:54:11.030
because these were always on the wall in the

00:54:11.030 --> 00:54:14.139
dining room at Kiltankin and then... They've

00:54:14.139 --> 00:54:17.519
always been around, yes. And there were more

00:54:17.519 --> 00:54:20.400
when you were growing up? Oh of course, yes always.

00:54:20.659 --> 00:54:23.239
So did you have bull yards on the property? Bull

00:54:23.239 --> 00:54:25.639
paddock they were called, yes. Do they have their

00:54:25.639 --> 00:54:28.460
little shelters? Was it like a shelter or they

00:54:28.460 --> 00:54:30.500
just had paddocks? No, they just didn't paddock.

00:54:32.000 --> 00:54:35.440
Any close calls? They could get a bit cranky.

00:54:35.619 --> 00:54:39.599
No, no, no. My father was too good of a cattleman

00:54:39.599 --> 00:54:46.230
to let that happen. Who was collecting your milk?

00:54:46.309 --> 00:54:48.329
Do you know how many cans you were putting out?

00:54:48.989 --> 00:54:51.050
I know it was Ray Strong who was collecting our

00:54:51.050 --> 00:54:53.750
milk, but he was the milk carrier. I remember

00:54:53.750 --> 00:54:56.769
my mother saying, when it was going to school

00:54:56.769 --> 00:54:59.730
time, hurry up. If you hurry up and get your

00:54:59.730 --> 00:55:01.909
shoes on, you can get a ride up the end of the

00:55:01.909 --> 00:55:04.510
lane with Strongy, but if you're not ready, you

00:55:04.510 --> 00:55:07.929
know he won't wait. It was milk cans. I think

00:55:07.929 --> 00:55:10.969
we were probably having five or six cans a day.

00:55:11.119 --> 00:55:13.300
I think they only came once a day. I don't think

00:55:13.300 --> 00:55:15.880
they came twice a day to collect the milk. But

00:55:15.880 --> 00:55:18.719
I'm not certain how they kept it cool from the

00:55:18.719 --> 00:55:21.380
evening milking because I know the milk was picked

00:55:21.380 --> 00:55:23.719
up in the mornings. Must have had a cool room,

00:55:24.000 --> 00:55:26.179
yes, yes. Did you ever go on the milk route?

00:55:26.380 --> 00:55:29.260
No. What did you think of Ray Strong? Well, I

00:55:29.260 --> 00:55:31.360
was only young going to primary school then,

00:55:31.519 --> 00:55:36.239
but then I knew him later on because my husband

00:55:36.239 --> 00:55:39.400
was very involved in... Barry football, he was

00:55:39.400 --> 00:55:42.440
a life member at Barry football club and so therefore

00:55:42.440 --> 00:55:45.039
we had a lot of association with Ray as well

00:55:45.039 --> 00:55:48.599
through the football club, yes. Lovely man. Lovely

00:55:48.599 --> 00:55:51.639
man, yes. And he lived a wonderful life and it

00:55:51.639 --> 00:55:53.840
was so sad he didn't get to Sydney to get his

00:55:53.840 --> 00:55:57.460
OAM, yes. So many people have said that. Yes,

00:55:57.539 --> 00:56:00.380
yes. Didn't have good health for a long time,

00:56:00.579 --> 00:56:04.659
yeah, yeah. What about Evelyn? Evelyn, yes. Lovely

00:56:04.659 --> 00:56:08.360
lady. Wonderful, wonderful sower. Were you a

00:56:08.360 --> 00:56:13.059
member of any other groups? No. I was in View

00:56:13.059 --> 00:56:15.820
Club for a little while but not very long. Hockey

00:56:15.820 --> 00:56:19.559
took up my whole life. At one stage when they,

00:56:19.699 --> 00:56:22.099
I think it was called St. Patrick's Community

00:56:22.099 --> 00:56:24.440
Group, I was secretary of it for a while but

00:56:24.440 --> 00:56:27.599
that was when it first started like years ago

00:56:27.599 --> 00:56:30.599
but I'm not involved in any of that anymore.

00:56:31.159 --> 00:56:33.559
Let's just hear about when your parents got married.

00:56:33.820 --> 00:56:37.599
Yes. And where and the significance of that?

00:56:38.340 --> 00:56:41.639
They got married at St Patrick's Catholic Church

00:56:41.639 --> 00:56:45.880
in Bury in 1937 and they were the first couple

00:56:45.880 --> 00:56:49.579
married in that church. It had been built and

00:56:49.579 --> 00:56:54.199
opened the previous 12 months ago in 1936 and

00:56:54.199 --> 00:56:58.199
my mum and dad were married in May 1937 in that

00:56:58.199 --> 00:57:01.280
church. Do you remember your favourite parish

00:57:01.280 --> 00:57:04.789
priest? Probably I really liked Father Bramley

00:57:04.789 --> 00:57:08.070
and I really liked Father Dowdell who married

00:57:08.070 --> 00:57:12.730
Bruce and I. He was very nice, yes. And the St

00:57:12.730 --> 00:57:15.730
Joey nuns that you had, how many were teaching

00:57:15.730 --> 00:57:19.429
at the primary school? Two. Do you remember their

00:57:19.429 --> 00:57:26.070
names? Do you recall? Sister Sebastian and Sister

00:57:26.070 --> 00:57:28.969
Clematis, I think her name was or something like

00:57:28.969 --> 00:57:32.420
that, anyway. There was only two rooms. two big

00:57:32.420 --> 00:57:35.219
rooms. And the little room, we called it the

00:57:35.219 --> 00:57:38.119
little room, had kindergarten, first class, second

00:57:38.119 --> 00:57:42.079
class, third class and one teacher, one nun.

00:57:42.579 --> 00:57:44.860
And then the other room was the big room and

00:57:44.860 --> 00:57:47.239
that had fourth, fifth and sixth class in it.

00:57:47.599 --> 00:57:50.619
What was the colour of your uniform? Navy blue

00:57:50.619 --> 00:57:53.719
tunic with white blouse. And you had school shoes?

00:57:54.119 --> 00:57:57.559
Yes. I can remember when my eldest brother got

00:57:57.559 --> 00:58:01.159
married. and he got married in March and school

00:58:01.159 --> 00:58:04.659
went back in February and I was most put out

00:58:04.659 --> 00:58:07.679
because I had to wear school shoes to his wedding

00:58:07.679 --> 00:58:10.719
because they've only just been bought new, they're

00:58:10.719 --> 00:58:13.300
only a month old and you're not getting another

00:58:13.300 --> 00:58:18.039
pair of shoes. Did any of your father's siblings

00:58:18.039 --> 00:58:21.900
come and visit you? Oh yes, yes. Were you close

00:58:21.900 --> 00:58:24.659
to them, aunties and uncles? Yes, all the time.

00:58:24.940 --> 00:58:28.719
My Uncle Joe. A lot of school holidays, I went

00:58:28.719 --> 00:58:31.159
to Sydney and stayed at their place during school

00:58:31.159 --> 00:58:35.380
holidays. My Aunty Min's in Sydney, in school

00:58:35.380 --> 00:58:38.800
holidays, it was good. You got to see a bit outside

00:58:38.800 --> 00:58:42.639
the area. That's right. One question just reflecting,

00:58:43.099 --> 00:58:46.260
now the cattle breeding has stayed throughout

00:58:46.260 --> 00:58:48.920
the families. Yes, I think it's in their blood,

00:58:49.159 --> 00:58:53.320
yes. Your son still uses... The breeding name?

00:58:53.659 --> 00:58:57.400
The stud name of Kiltankin, yes. He breeds pole

00:58:57.400 --> 00:59:01.679
shorthorns and he calls them Kiltankin. The stud

00:59:01.679 --> 00:59:05.559
name is Kiltankin. Kiltankin shorthorns. My great

00:59:05.559 --> 00:59:09.280
niece, who lives up on the North Coast, also

00:59:09.280 --> 00:59:13.000
shows Illawarra's dairy cattle becoming very

00:59:13.000 --> 00:59:16.260
successful, yes. What's her name? Her name is

00:59:16.260 --> 00:59:19.900
Nicole O 'Keefe. Ray, my brother Ray's granddaughter.

00:59:20.239 --> 00:59:23.179
She is married, but she still uses, goes under

00:59:23.179 --> 00:59:26.280
the name Nicole O 'Keefe. Well, you've got O

00:59:26.280 --> 00:59:28.780
'Keefe's Lane named after your grandfather. Yes,

00:59:28.780 --> 00:59:31.159
that's exactly right. Do you know when that occurred?

00:59:32.199 --> 00:59:36.480
No, I don't. I do know at one stage, after mum

00:59:36.480 --> 00:59:40.619
and dad sold the farm, that it got changed to

00:59:40.619 --> 00:59:44.650
Cochrane's Lane. And my Aunty Una and Uncle Din

00:59:44.650 --> 00:59:48.469
were really not happy about that and then got

00:59:48.469 --> 00:59:52.150
it changed back to O 'Keeffe's Lane through the

00:59:52.150 --> 00:59:56.869
council. Now Una recalls where the name Jasper's

00:59:56.869 --> 01:00:01.789
Brush came from. In 1997 they had a reunion at

01:00:01.789 --> 01:00:06.389
Jasper's Brush School. Oh right, okay, okay,

01:00:06.670 --> 01:00:09.199
yep. and they were taught where Jasper Brush

01:00:09.199 --> 01:00:13.119
came from. Oh, I didn't know that. Your Aunty

01:00:13.119 --> 01:00:17.539
Yuna is one of the links to establishing where

01:00:17.539 --> 01:00:21.659
the name Jasper Brush came from. Oh, okay. Because

01:00:21.659 --> 01:00:25.340
that person was employed by Berry Estate to clear

01:00:25.340 --> 01:00:31.260
the land and camped on your property. Oh, right,

01:00:31.260 --> 01:00:34.659
okay. In that vicinity. There you go, so you

01:00:34.659 --> 01:00:37.579
know that, but I had no idea about. And that

01:00:37.579 --> 01:00:41.579
is from Yuna's mouth. Because they were taught

01:00:41.579 --> 01:00:45.440
at school where the name came from. And of course

01:00:45.440 --> 01:00:49.079
not many remember. Pam Coles remembered it was

01:00:49.079 --> 01:00:51.880
an Aboriginal name, which it is. Yeah, we know

01:00:51.880 --> 01:00:55.340
that Jasper Brush was the person that cleared

01:00:55.340 --> 01:00:59.320
the land there, which makes complete sense. But

01:00:59.320 --> 01:01:02.000
anyway, we're just getting that confirmed. That

01:01:02.000 --> 01:01:05.179
brings us to... the end of Lynn's recording,

01:01:05.400 --> 01:01:08.440
but I'm going to talk a little bit more about

01:01:08.440 --> 01:01:12.179
the naming of Jasper's brush. Yuna O 'Keefe,

01:01:12.280 --> 01:01:15.119
who married Dennis O 'Keefe. Yuna sounds like

01:01:15.119 --> 01:01:19.599
she was quite active. When she attended the reunion

01:01:19.599 --> 01:01:23.920
of the school in 1997, she spoke quite a bit

01:01:23.920 --> 01:01:27.920
about Jasper's brush history. She states that

01:01:27.920 --> 01:01:31.400
Jasper brush was a man employed by the Berry

01:01:31.400 --> 01:01:35.789
estate. to clear the land often camped on their

01:01:35.789 --> 01:01:40.590
land and during gardening and ploughing bits

01:01:40.590 --> 01:01:44.110
and pieces from campsites from either Jasper

01:01:44.110 --> 01:01:48.630
brush or other aboriginals traveling through

01:01:48.630 --> 01:01:53.030
have resurfaced. Remember in the 40s and 50s

01:01:53.030 --> 01:01:55.130
as part of the school's curriculum they were

01:01:55.130 --> 01:01:57.570
taught where the name Jasper's brush had come

01:01:57.570 --> 01:02:01.280
from and this is her memory. This has been cited

01:02:01.280 --> 01:02:04.960
in a number of newspaper articles and journals

01:02:04.960 --> 01:02:09.000
relating to the former railway station. I'm referring

01:02:09.000 --> 01:02:13.340
to three sources. The first source I discovered

01:02:13.340 --> 01:02:16.760
a description of the name Jasper's Brush. The

01:02:16.760 --> 01:02:19.579
Royal Australian Historical Society journal,

01:02:19.940 --> 01:02:25.679
volume 13 part 2 in 1927, wrote quite an extensive

01:02:25.679 --> 01:02:29.059
article and listings of the names of railway

01:02:29.059 --> 01:02:32.139
stations in New South Wales with their meaning

01:02:32.139 --> 01:02:37.159
and origin. The article was written by a CA Irish

01:02:37.159 --> 01:02:42.239
and it states under Jasper's brush the railway

01:02:42.239 --> 01:02:46.960
was named after a former resident called Jasper

01:02:46.960 --> 01:02:52.019
brush. Now this information was sourced from

01:02:52.019 --> 01:02:56.820
a newspaper article in the Labor Daily in 1926.

01:02:57.099 --> 01:03:00.960
that mentions some of those railway names. The

01:03:00.960 --> 01:03:04.619
article is headed Here We Are. I'll read it directly

01:03:04.619 --> 01:03:09.719
to you. Published on the 8th of April 1926 and

01:03:09.719 --> 01:03:13.920
it's relating to names that reflect Aboriginal

01:03:13.920 --> 01:03:18.000
words. Jasper's brush in brackets Illawarra,

01:03:18.260 --> 01:03:21.340
which we fell under at the time, after an early

01:03:21.340 --> 01:03:24.780
resident Jasper brush. The name should be Jasper

01:03:24.780 --> 01:03:28.500
Brushes rather than Jasper's Brush. They say

01:03:28.500 --> 01:03:31.719
that in a few of the articles and it's said again

01:03:31.719 --> 01:03:36.199
in local native names that the Naurilida printed

01:03:36.199 --> 01:03:42.780
in 1929 on page 6 of the September 6th edition.

01:03:43.079 --> 01:03:47.630
So we're currently getting the John Ingold Jasper's

01:03:47.630 --> 01:03:51.050
post idea that's currently being reviewed by

01:03:51.050 --> 01:03:54.449
Shulhaven Family History Society and I've provided

01:03:54.449 --> 01:03:57.489
a report that highlights the inaccuracies of

01:03:57.489 --> 01:04:00.309
that myth and they will be making a decision

01:04:00.309 --> 01:04:03.750
on my report in a couple of weeks. So Jasper's

01:04:03.750 --> 01:04:07.130
brush seems to be okay by me because they also

01:04:07.130 --> 01:04:10.550
have Jasper's mount, Jasper's creek and I think

01:04:10.550 --> 01:04:13.289
we've uncovered the closest theory possible.

01:04:13.559 --> 01:04:17.300
And with more time, we may find more information,

01:04:17.300 --> 01:04:20.820
but at the moment, that's where it sits. Jasper

01:04:20.820 --> 01:04:24.019
Brush was employed by the Berry Estate, an Aboriginal

01:04:24.019 --> 01:04:28.239
person, an Aboriginal man who cleared the land

01:04:28.239 --> 01:04:33.760
in that region and was given a European nickname,

01:04:33.760 --> 01:04:38.820
as we often do. That brings us to the end of

01:04:38.820 --> 01:04:42.420
episode seven. If you have any more information,

01:04:42.570 --> 01:04:46.329
facts, that is, relating to what I've discussed,

01:04:47.190 --> 01:04:50.010
you can always send me a message through my website,

01:04:50.250 --> 01:04:58.969
teresweeney .com .au or email me at tsweeneyinkink

01:04:58.969 --> 01:05:04.030
.com. We're getting closer to the closure of

01:05:04.030 --> 01:05:06.309
those lanes up between Bombardier and Berry,

01:05:06.369 --> 01:05:10.659
so we've got three episodes left. for season

01:05:10.659 --> 01:05:13.519
two, which will be the completion of the project

01:05:13.519 --> 01:05:17.380
from Bomber Dairy to Berry. It's taken a lot

01:05:17.380 --> 01:05:20.659
of work, but I've really enjoyed meeting the

01:05:20.659 --> 01:05:25.719
farming community. So I'm signing off and I'll

01:05:25.719 --> 01:05:29.239
let you know when episode eight is coming in

01:05:29.239 --> 01:05:32.500
a couple of weeks and who that may be. Until

01:05:32.500 --> 01:05:35.579
then, keep safe and thanks for listening.