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Welcome everybody to my podcast, Therese Makes

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History. The Dairy Lane Project. The lanes between

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Bomber Dairy to Bury in the Shoalhaven region

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of New South Wales. Our dairying pioneers descendants

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are living still often in the lanes and I'm engaging

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them, capturing the history of their families

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and dairy farming. which was the most prevalent

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20th century primary industry throughout the

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country, and certainly Berry was active and at

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the centre of that industry. I'm a social historian,

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my name's Therese Sweeney, and we're in season

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two. My primary sponsor for season two is Ian

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Zanstra, a very experienced dairyman. On the

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other side of the river, from Pyree, season two

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would not be happening without Ian's support.

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I'm very grateful he stepped up. Thank you, Ian.

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Predominantly Jasper's brush. So we're going

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north of the highway. We're getting to Berry,

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but we're not there yet, because today is episode

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six. The Eisen family. You would have seen Ison

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Lane on the highway before the bridge there that

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turns into Strong's Road. I'll talk a little

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bit about the heritage of the Isons. Henry Ison

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was born in November 1812 in the Thriplo Parish,

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Cambridgeshire, in England. He married Mary Ann

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Triplo, who was born the same year, 1812. They

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married in October 1834 at St George Church in

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Triplo. They emigrated from England on the ship

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Steadfast in 1848 and arrived in Sydney, Australia

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on the 26th of March 1849. Henry had nine children.

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He worked on the Berry estate, listed as a farmer

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and shoemaker. Of his nine children, one was

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Robert Eisen, which is the current living children's

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great -great -grandfather. Robert Eisen was the

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son of Henry and Mary, and he was born in 1854

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at Coolingatta Farm. His occupation was a gold

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miner and dairy farmer. He was the youngest child

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of nine. He married Aliana Rebecca Hollands,

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who was born October 1883. He married again in

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October 1893 to Catherine Justin. Robert had

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eight children. In the New South Wales Gazette

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of March 1887, Robert is listed as the executor

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to Henry's will. Now Robert's children, one of

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whom was Stan. which is the current Eisen children's

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grandfather. Now Stan, Stan was actually called

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Arthur Charles Stanley Eisen and he was born

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in February 1891 at Nowra Hill so the family

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had moved to Nowra Hill at this stage. He married

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Margaret Phoebe Scott in 1923 in Kiama. She was

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born in December 1899. This is where the Eisen

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journey begins in Jasper's brush with Stan and

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Margaret which will be expanded on throughout

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my discussion with his granddaughter Karen Eisen.

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Now Stan had had one, two, three, four children.

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Stan had four children, the youngest being Alfred

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Ray. Eisen known as Ray. Ray is Karen Eisen's

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father. Ray was well known in the community as

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was Dan. He married Valerie Susan Gall. Now Valerie's

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parents were George Thomas Gall and Olive Adelaide

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McIntyre and she was born in 1934. Ray's other

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siblings in order of birth was Erna Mary, Elsa

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Margaret, Kenneth Robert. And of course, Ray,

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Alfred Ray. Now Ray died in 2021 and is buried

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at Berry Cemetery, as is his wife, who passed

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in 2013. They had eight children, seven girls,

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one boy. And you're going to hear all about it

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shortly. Today, I'm engaging Karen Eisen. She

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was born in 1957. and I hope you enjoy the recording.

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What is your former name? Can I ask that and

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tell me who your parents are? Yeah, so I'm an

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Ison from Jaspers Brush. So we're part of the

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bigger Ison family that came here, the Henry

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Ison family that came to the Shellhaven in 1850.

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My parents were Ray and Valerie Ison. My mum

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is connected to Jaspersbrush as well through

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the fact that the Macintyres and the Host families

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were two of the original farmers from Jaspersbrush

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and she comes down from their line making her

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descendant from Jaspersbrush on sort of both

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sides. The Eisen family That's my grandfather,

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Alfred Charles Stanley, always known as Stan,

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and his wife Margaret Phoebe. They came from

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Nowrie Hill to Jaspers Brashter Farm in March

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1940, and they bought a farm, an existing farm

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that was there, known as Glenmore, and that's

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where we all were born, we grew up. I'm one of

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eight children. Adara Farmer had... seven girls

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and one boy. Not probably ideal for dairy farmers

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the way it went in those days. Do you know what

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year your father was born and where he was born?

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He was born out at Narry Hill, 1929. So he had

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two older sisters and a brother. And when they

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came to Jaspers Brush in 1940, so he was only

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10. And then the oldest one was, I think, 15.

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What about your mum? What year was she born?

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She was born in Berry, the garage, the service

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station, the garage there. There's a house beside

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that. That's where she was born and grew up.

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a single child. He was there with her mum and

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dad and her father was always the mechanic. What

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street was that? So that's in the main street

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on the highway there. Is that the one that floods

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a bit? Yes, yes, beside the bowling club, near

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the bowling club there. Was her father the original

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mechanic? Yes, yes, so he opened the garage there

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and worked there and employed a number of people

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around Berry. And what was his name? And so that

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was George Gaw, George. So he'd come off the

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Gaw farm that's that farm down there near the

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hospital that was a dairy farm there and pretty

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significant berry dairy farm as well. Yeah he

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didn't farm he became a mechanic. Yes yeah he

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was always a bit of a... an inventor. He was

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always interested in how things work and inventing

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things, always making. He built a car, built

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a motorbike. He used to race motorbikes and cars

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out on the Seven Mile Beach out there. And he

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was always into that kind of building his own

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stuff and doing all of that. So he went overseas

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for a while and worked overseas. Then he went

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to Wollongong and was worked in garages there

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getting involved with Chrysler and other cars

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and different things. come back to the era later

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on as a mad um Peugeot car salesman and fixer

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and mechanic and whatever and he ended his life

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um working as a mechanic on mum and dad's farm

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on the farm at Jaspers brush there me put a shed

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on that and then was doing car mechanics and

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repairs right up to the end of his life there,

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yeah. I walk my dogs at the show ground every,

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you know, a couple of times a day sometimes and

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I go into Ray Eisen's gate. Yes, that's, that's

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named after my dad, so that is the one because

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as I'm saying, that's from 15, he was in the

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junior farmers. the Berry Show and then it was

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on the board so he never missed a show and he

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was at all the meetings and the whole lot so

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yeah he was very very very much part of those

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all the farmers were involved with the Berry

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Show he was he was very much had a say on things

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had a view and yeah it was on the board and then

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was the chairman for a few years and then continued

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well he was there in his earlier days like he

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might have been Stuart around the cattle and

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then later on brother -in -law Don Barham they

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were took over running the bar at the show they

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did that for many years and then they went over

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to be gatekeepers took over running and managing

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all the gates which he did for 40 odd years he

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did so that was the gate where he was always

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on and so the show society recognized that in

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his last years while he was still alive which

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was lovely for him and he didn't know anything

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about it it was a surprise they did that to honor

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him for all his years working at the show and

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he was still there. So he's had the gate named

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by the show society in honour of him, yeah, which

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was lovely. As a young person what were you all

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doing? Were you riding horses or what were you

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doing? Did you do any of that? My dad's brother

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Ken was the Ison family. They were good horse

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people and riders and Ken... absolutely loved

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his horses and was always involved with horses

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and he was the ringmaster at the Berry Show with

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the red jacket on for most of his life he was

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in it. Dad didn't have such an affiliation with

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the horses he's seen that they spent a lot of

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money that cost a lot of money and I think he'd

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been ripped off by people with horses that always

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come and can I leave my horsey and never paid

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their bills. We did have horses as kids we got

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a a Shetland pony that came to visit from one

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of the uncles one day who brought it out knowing

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that we'd love him, fully love it. We all put

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our pocket money together, much to Dad's dismay,

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and bought this. Shetland ponies. It was called

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Sooty so that probably indicates it had no white

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on it at all, it was black as anything. It was

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a typical Shetland that they're stubborn and

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it gave us kids hell but we had a lot of fun

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with it but yeah you know took you to the closest

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water trough or the closest barbed wire fence

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that it could to try and get rid of you. Dad

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was about the only one that can try but it lived

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on the farm and stayed on the farm. until it

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died when it was in, you know, about 30. But

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we had a lot of fun with it, but that was in

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the days when we had a horse called Creamy and,

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you know, the Otter. But as that, you know, come

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the introduction of, we had a Jeep that they

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bought after the war. A war jeep? Yep, a war

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jeep, left hand sided war jeep. So once they

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had that and then, you know, gradually motorbikes

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and all the rest of your tractors and your motorbikes,

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then they didn't have such a need for horses

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and you had your dogs. We always had our red

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cattle dogs, were not to be pets, definitely

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not to be pets. They came there as trained working

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dogs and they were only meant to have one master.

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We were always getting into trouble for, we liked

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the dogs as well, but yeah, no, so they always

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had... could train working dogs, and that was

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essential. There was always horses on the farm

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left there, or Kenneth had horses out there,

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or just two different people, but yeah. So I'll

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just slow you down there. So your first memories,

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do you recall pre -mechanisation where you've

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got draft horses? Creamier that was there was

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a draft horse. Don't recall them being used for

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taking carts. That was all before my time. So

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it was a generation before where they would have

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been using the horse and carts and the draft

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horses. So I remember them all talking about

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it. What do you remember them talking about?

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Let's talk about and who's talking about it.

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Well, the grandparents, you know, dad and his

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sisters and brother talking about going to school

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that way. The Isons are quite a big family. Who

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were Ray's siblings? Okay, so that was Yuna.

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Isen was his oldest sister who married Don Barham

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and so she's a Barham at Jaspers Brush. We always

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knew her as Peck but her proper name was Arthur,

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Margaret. And the second one in the family and

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that was his oldest sister again. She went away

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from Jaspers Brush In the forties, early, she

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went nursing, went to Wollongong Nursing, graduated,

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went to Tassie, then went to New Zealand, travelled

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to America or Europe, everywhere, and then came

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back and ended up nursing in Sydney. The matron

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came back to Berry Hospital, then went back to

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New Zealand, married a New Zealander and came

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back to the Shell Haven as Peg Watson, and he

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was the real estate agent in Nara. And so she

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spent all her life then in the Shell Haven after

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that. What was his name? And so that was Terry

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Watson. When did they come back? What sort of

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era? Late 50s, early 60s. Like that's quite a

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big thing to do. We look at that now and we just

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kind of think, wow, that was a female then. She

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was a very independent woman. She went off nursing

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and then that was it. She traveled. She did all

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those things and she was very independent. I

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think she studied obstetrics and became involved

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in one of the Sydney hospitals and then came

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back. So she was a very independent woman with

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a different view of the world and how it was.

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When she came back, married Terry and then came

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home with the two little girls and he set up

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the real estate business here, then that's right,

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she didn't really work. after that, but she was

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involved in lots of things which had a much broader

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idea on her. Did she influence you at all? Like

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was she, did you admire her? Well we did, yeah

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we did because she looked at all that and you

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thought of it and probably when you got older

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because when you were younger you weren't brought

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up to question things but just to follow and

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do and parents said this is how this and that

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you just thought oh yeah that was it. So it was

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not later till you got towards the end of high

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school that you'd started to, oh. Hang on, hang

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on. You encourage and your kids start getting

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independent views much earlier on than we did.

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You just thought, you know, we always felt, you

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know, my dad was always right and knew everything.

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But we looked at Peg and then as you got older

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and then you grew up a bit and you look back

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and you understand how things, you thought, oh

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yeah, yep, yep. She'd come and brought a whole

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different... yeah a way of doing and yeah very

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modern woman with different thinking and different

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ideas. Who's next? So the two girls and then

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Ken. And Ken liked horses? Being a steward at

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the races. Oh so it's racetrack horses? It was

00:15:42.350 --> 00:15:44.889
more that sort of thing that he kept riding for

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being a steward at the... the race days at Nowra

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and so forth and then at the show and he'd go

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to Sydney show and he was a steward at the show

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on the horse and the red jacket and the harlot.

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So that was him. But yeah, look, farming wasn't

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obviously for him, he didn't. He got out and

00:16:01.980 --> 00:16:04.299
did his own way and worked at the paper mill,

00:16:04.419 --> 00:16:07.240
the Shelhaven paper mill, which a lot of the

00:16:07.240 --> 00:16:09.919
men down here do. He spent all his life working

00:16:09.919 --> 00:16:12.899
there. He did shift work and that gave him opportunities

00:16:12.899 --> 00:16:15.440
to explore his other interests and whatever and

00:16:15.440 --> 00:16:18.389
his skills, which He did, he was very handy with

00:16:18.389 --> 00:16:20.750
his hands. In those days you didn't go to tape,

00:16:20.870 --> 00:16:22.409
you didn't do this, you just started and you

00:16:22.409 --> 00:16:24.490
did it, fitted and turning, whatever else. An

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apprenticeship of some sort on the job. And on

00:16:26.690 --> 00:16:29.070
the job and away you went. Married a berry girl,

00:16:29.909 --> 00:16:34.289
moved off the farm and that was before Dad and

00:16:34.289 --> 00:16:37.549
Mum were married. So he'd already left the farm,

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gone to live in Berry and helped build the new

00:16:39.710 --> 00:16:42.289
house when Mum and Dad were getting married.

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So he did a lot of building work, a lot of carpentry.

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He had lots of different interests and hobbies

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that come and went and changed it. Chooks, he

00:16:50.590 --> 00:16:53.769
got right into chooks and showing chooks and

00:16:53.769 --> 00:16:56.009
all sorts of chooks so that was one of them through

00:16:56.009 --> 00:16:58.450
a period of time. When they were at Narrah Hill

00:16:58.450 --> 00:17:02.889
particularly they went to school with horses,

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horse and buggy to get them. in and back and

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a whole lot. Earlier probably when they first

00:17:07.769 --> 00:17:09.730
arrived to Jaspersbrush they were probably still

00:17:09.730 --> 00:17:11.730
riding horses. There was a horse paddock at the

00:17:11.730 --> 00:17:13.930
school. Kids would ride in and tied up the horse

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and the horse would stay there for the day and

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then they'd ride home. And then by the time I

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was born in 57 and things had started to change

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and they had other means of getting around. Yep.

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Do you remember things like chaff cutters and

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things? Yep, we had a chaff cutter. So let's

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talk about how that worked and what were you

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growing to chaff. In my memory in my days it

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was mainly sacraline and corn we were growing

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and we definitely had chaff cutters. We had this

00:17:42.089 --> 00:17:45.970
massive shed that had big doors at the height

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of a platform you know high enough for that so

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that you'd back up to that the tractor and the

00:17:50.710 --> 00:17:52.930
trolleys or the truck. You'd hand shovel all

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that off with pitch forks in and then that it

00:17:55.190 --> 00:17:57.690
goes through the the chaff cutter. So you're

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saying you're storing whatever you're harvesting

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and then you're chaffing it? And they're chaffing

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it so it'd come in there and then it'd be chaffed

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and then it'd go and be fed to the cattle that

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way. That was those earlier days. Yeah so it

00:18:10.269 --> 00:18:12.230
had a big chain on it and it went around two

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different wheels. There was a spot you shoveled

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it in and out the other end it came out finer

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and that'd go into that big trolley. It was onto

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a platform then we'd pitchfork it into that to

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feed the cattle. So now when we talk about accidents,

00:18:28.769 --> 00:18:31.829
my dad was known because he was missing fingers.

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The day Gawa was born, so that was in 56, he

00:18:36.190 --> 00:18:39.029
put a finger through the chaff cutter. A few

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fingers off hands missing here and there. How

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did they bring in the crop? How did they harvest?

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So in those earlier days, we'd all help as well

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and it was all hand. So we had another trailer

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that was low. Oh, you had a tractor or something.

00:18:55.259 --> 00:18:57.099
Yeah, but a lot of it was hand. We'd go down

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and cut corn and they'd be spending hours cutting

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corn. It was all by hand. What do you call those

00:19:02.480 --> 00:19:04.880
things? Yeah, sickle. How do you handle? Show

00:19:04.880 --> 00:19:07.259
me how you do it. Yeah, that's it. Yeah, you

00:19:07.259 --> 00:19:10.000
just... And we were the ones collecting it and

00:19:10.000 --> 00:19:13.960
putting it on more than doing the cutting. The

00:19:13.960 --> 00:19:15.980
men would do the cutting, but the kids were allowed

00:19:15.980 --> 00:19:18.140
to stack it all up and then get it on the...

00:19:18.220 --> 00:19:20.259
trailer and then it'd come and then it'd go through

00:19:20.259 --> 00:19:23.680
the chalk car piled high. So in those days, because

00:19:23.680 --> 00:19:25.940
we got the railway line that ran through the

00:19:25.940 --> 00:19:28.640
farm, they'd leased the sides of the railway

00:19:28.640 --> 00:19:32.160
line and we'd be able to, they'd grow corn and

00:19:32.160 --> 00:19:34.960
everything along there as well. These days obviously

00:19:34.960 --> 00:19:37.420
they wouldn't, but yeah, so you'd go down there

00:19:37.420 --> 00:19:40.980
and spend all day cutting the corn and the sackaline

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and whatever bit. It was usually corn they grew

00:19:42.839 --> 00:19:45.279
along the railway line. Earlier when they first

00:19:45.279 --> 00:19:47.660
came in there they did potato and they did a

00:19:47.660 --> 00:19:50.400
lot of that at Narrahill you know potatoes and

00:19:50.400 --> 00:19:53.099
peas which they could sell to the market. They

00:19:53.099 --> 00:19:56.380
were just growing you know doing potatoes and

00:19:56.380 --> 00:19:58.720
peas at Jaspers brush I think when they first

00:19:58.720 --> 00:20:03.339
come but that not such hard work. Yeah so there

00:20:03.339 --> 00:20:05.759
was a drainage system put in through the swamp

00:20:05.759 --> 00:20:09.079
to help when the floods were on and high tide

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and the whole lot and so there was a drainage

00:20:12.140 --> 00:20:15.910
trust board. that I remember my dad being on

00:20:15.910 --> 00:20:17.869
because there was flood gates down there and

00:20:17.869 --> 00:20:20.170
they'd be in charge of managing and looking after

00:20:20.170 --> 00:20:22.029
all that and I think that was a state government

00:20:22.029 --> 00:20:25.369
set that scheme up. I just knew that they had

00:20:25.369 --> 00:20:28.369
a system there with this so that if it flood

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that they would shut all closed so that the flooding

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wasn't as bad or when the tide were right that

00:20:34.210 --> 00:20:37.069
it allowed them to drain out that helped control

00:20:37.069 --> 00:20:39.940
some of the flooding on the swamp then. The gates

00:20:39.940 --> 00:20:42.460
are still there. The state government wound up,

00:20:43.200 --> 00:20:46.200
the trust and board councils took over management.

00:20:46.579 --> 00:20:49.059
The locals weren't involved in the Drainage Trust

00:20:49.059 --> 00:20:51.380
Board anymore. But your father was involved?

00:20:51.440 --> 00:20:54.920
Yep. I know that the day before down there was

00:20:54.920 --> 00:20:57.559
the chair of it when it wound up at the time.

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Yeah, the 50s and 60s that kind of was. The gates

00:21:00.920 --> 00:21:02.880
are still there. I've always wondered, now the

00:21:02.880 --> 00:21:06.339
Isons and hardware. Yeah, so that is all the

00:21:06.339 --> 00:21:09.369
same family because it was Henry Ison that came

00:21:09.369 --> 00:21:13.069
out here in the 1850s and he came out and ended

00:21:13.069 --> 00:21:17.210
up working as the head stockman at the Coolangatta

00:21:17.210 --> 00:21:20.049
estate. There was the big floods there and a

00:21:20.049 --> 00:21:22.309
lot of things got washed away and he was living

00:21:22.309 --> 00:21:25.549
out that way. He moved to what was called Saltwater

00:21:25.549 --> 00:21:28.829
Creek on the Shelhaven River and set up the family

00:21:28.829 --> 00:21:32.869
farm and moved the family to there and that was...

00:21:32.460 --> 00:21:35.359
right near Pooleput Rock. Have you heard of Pooleput

00:21:35.359 --> 00:21:38.160
Rock? Across from Bundanon. Managed by National

00:21:38.160 --> 00:21:40.680
Parks I think it is. Part of it's significance

00:21:40.680 --> 00:21:42.799
is Arthur Boyd painted it a lot. If you look

00:21:42.799 --> 00:21:45.099
at Arthur Boyd's paintings, Pooleput Rock shows

00:21:45.099 --> 00:21:48.740
up in that a lot. It is across from that property

00:21:48.740 --> 00:21:51.400
and it was just right there where the Saltwater

00:21:51.400 --> 00:21:53.700
Creek came out to the Shellhaven River and that's

00:21:53.700 --> 00:21:57.099
where he farmed it. They had a property, grandfather's

00:21:57.099 --> 00:22:00.119
father and a lot of those had started farming

00:22:00.119 --> 00:22:03.359
at Nowri Hill. So they had farms there and Stan

00:22:03.359 --> 00:22:06.700
Ison's father was Robert Ison. He was out at

00:22:06.700 --> 00:22:09.500
farming at Narrah Hill. When grandfather was

00:22:09.500 --> 00:22:11.539
born, he was only about three months old, his

00:22:11.539 --> 00:22:15.500
mum died and there was four children. He was

00:22:15.500 --> 00:22:19.720
then sent to live next door with the older Ison

00:22:19.720 --> 00:22:23.000
family and they raised him for a while. Later

00:22:23.000 --> 00:22:25.960
on Robert remarried. He went back to live with

00:22:25.960 --> 00:22:29.000
them and to have more children. But then Robert

00:22:29.000 --> 00:22:33.400
Ison died. really young. So all those Isons,

00:22:34.059 --> 00:22:36.200
a lot of them around, and the hardware. Robert's

00:22:36.200 --> 00:22:39.140
older brothers started the hardware, the narrow

00:22:39.140 --> 00:22:41.900
hardware. But all the Isons around here, they're

00:22:41.900 --> 00:22:44.839
all related and all came from that same Henry

00:22:44.839 --> 00:22:47.759
Ison. We were the dairy farming stream. Dairy

00:22:47.759 --> 00:22:50.140
farming, gold mining for a bit. Robert did some

00:22:50.140 --> 00:22:52.279
gold mining up at Yellow Wall. Never got rich

00:22:52.279 --> 00:22:54.420
from that. Obviously Stan, when he came back

00:22:54.420 --> 00:22:56.740
from the war, he was injured at the war twice

00:22:56.740 --> 00:22:59.160
before they finally sent him home. And then he

00:22:59.160 --> 00:23:02.079
came back. got a job working for the gasworks,

00:23:02.359 --> 00:23:04.980
lighting all the street lamps and doing that

00:23:04.980 --> 00:23:08.980
when the lights in town in Nauru were gas. And

00:23:08.980 --> 00:23:11.940
then he went farming back at Nauru Hill again.

00:23:12.140 --> 00:23:14.680
He'd got married and had the children and that's

00:23:14.680 --> 00:23:17.019
where my dad was born. So he'd become a dairy

00:23:17.019 --> 00:23:20.039
farmer again then, hadn't he? And then come to

00:23:20.039 --> 00:23:23.380
Jaspers Brush. Jaspers Brush was established

00:23:23.380 --> 00:23:27.440
through tenant farmers from the David Berry estate.

00:23:28.309 --> 00:23:33.309
And then they decided to, in the 1890s, to start

00:23:33.309 --> 00:23:35.789
and release some of that land and allow it to

00:23:35.789 --> 00:23:40.349
be sold. And so a lot of the tenant farmers then

00:23:40.349 --> 00:23:42.670
purchased it. Some of them didn't. Other people

00:23:42.670 --> 00:23:45.509
got it. And that's what it all established, because

00:23:45.509 --> 00:23:49.170
they finally got freehold title. Not straight

00:23:49.170 --> 00:23:52.470
from the Crown, but from the estate. And so that's

00:23:52.470 --> 00:23:55.650
on mum's side of the family. That's the... The

00:23:55.650 --> 00:23:59.549
host and then down railway line that was the

00:23:59.549 --> 00:24:02.569
Macintyres were tenant farmers there and then

00:24:02.569 --> 00:24:06.329
eventually taking up some of those initial titles

00:24:06.329 --> 00:24:09.829
when it was sold So initially it was all just

00:24:09.829 --> 00:24:12.430
farmers everyone buying and farming mainly to

00:24:12.430 --> 00:24:18.240
sustain a family Yeah, and then like that 1890s

00:24:18.240 --> 00:24:21.700
to 1990s was so significant for the Shellhaven

00:24:21.700 --> 00:24:24.960
for dairy industry and dairy farmers like that

00:24:24.960 --> 00:24:29.720
was you know that was a major major major industry

00:24:29.720 --> 00:24:33.140
and it shaped the Shellhaven because it was really

00:24:33.140 --> 00:24:36.759
one of the biggest New South Wales dairy industry

00:24:36.759 --> 00:24:41.079
areas and production so yeah coming through was

00:24:41.079 --> 00:24:44.019
a you know establishing a co -op and okay so

00:24:44.019 --> 00:24:48.230
we'll talk about Your father, Ray, and some of

00:24:48.230 --> 00:24:50.930
the activities he was involved in, I know we've

00:24:50.930 --> 00:24:53.029
gone over a bit about the showground, what would

00:24:53.029 --> 00:24:58.450
you like to say? Well, I think Ray, my father,

00:24:58.609 --> 00:25:01.829
I think he probably inherited that a bit from

00:25:01.829 --> 00:25:06.269
his grandfather, Stan, who was fairly community

00:25:06.269 --> 00:25:09.829
-minded and involved. And so, Stan, during his

00:25:09.829 --> 00:25:12.130
life and time at Jasper's Brush, at one stage

00:25:12.130 --> 00:25:16.680
he was served on the Berry Council. before it

00:25:16.680 --> 00:25:18.420
become the Shelhoven and he was an alderman on

00:25:18.420 --> 00:25:21.500
the council and he was I think deputy mayor for

00:25:21.500 --> 00:25:24.720
a time as well and that was in the 1940s and

00:25:24.720 --> 00:25:27.099
he was also, Stern was also one of the early

00:25:27.099 --> 00:25:29.500
directors for the Narra Co -op, the Narra Dairy

00:25:29.500 --> 00:25:33.059
Co -op and he was on there for six years from

00:25:33.059 --> 00:25:37.799
1945 to 52. He was also the captain of the Jaspers

00:25:37.799 --> 00:25:41.710
Brush Fire Brigade and president of the school

00:25:41.710 --> 00:25:46.009
PNC. So he was involved and got involved in a

00:25:46.009 --> 00:25:48.809
lot of things and like was at war in the First

00:25:48.809 --> 00:25:50.950
World War when he came back in the Second World

00:25:50.950 --> 00:25:54.109
War. Then he got involved as a member of the

00:25:54.109 --> 00:25:58.930
Volunteer Defence Corp and ran the Maroo Jaspers

00:25:58.930 --> 00:26:01.730
Brush groups, the training people and helping

00:26:01.730 --> 00:26:04.789
the volunteers that were staying here and getting

00:26:04.789 --> 00:26:07.589
trained and he did a lot of that. He also served

00:26:07.589 --> 00:26:11.109
on the Shelhaven Repatriation Committee for Returned

00:26:11.109 --> 00:26:14.049
Soldiers. So he was fairly active. Do you remember

00:26:14.049 --> 00:26:18.049
Stan, yourself? Yes, yes. What was he like? He

00:26:18.049 --> 00:26:20.789
was a very gentle person and a quiet person.

00:26:20.970 --> 00:26:23.369
I think probably having gone through what he

00:26:23.369 --> 00:26:25.910
went through like losing his mum when he was

00:26:25.910 --> 00:26:29.730
three months old and living and then coming back

00:26:29.730 --> 00:26:31.829
and then losing his father when he was just in

00:26:31.829 --> 00:26:34.289
his teens and then going to live with another

00:26:34.289 --> 00:26:37.339
auntie at Maroo. for a few years and then going

00:26:37.339 --> 00:26:39.680
away. A lot of that would have shaped life for

00:26:39.680 --> 00:26:43.119
him. And then the war. And look, I just remember

00:26:43.119 --> 00:26:47.140
a very gentle man, a caring man. I never remember

00:26:47.140 --> 00:26:49.940
him ever raising his voice. At that stage my

00:26:49.940 --> 00:26:53.660
grandmother was a pretty strong woman and she

00:26:53.660 --> 00:26:57.480
probably wore the pants in that household and

00:26:57.480 --> 00:27:00.700
kept everything organised and so he still had

00:27:00.700 --> 00:27:04.859
a love of farming, gardening. animals, even though

00:27:04.859 --> 00:27:07.440
he'd stopped coming to milk in his later years.

00:27:07.460 --> 00:27:11.319
That was in his mid -70s. He still come down

00:27:11.319 --> 00:27:13.480
each day to feed the calves and check on the

00:27:13.480 --> 00:27:16.920
chooks and so it was lovely. So, yeah, at home

00:27:16.920 --> 00:27:18.759
he'd been in his garden all morning, come in,

00:27:18.819 --> 00:27:21.660
had lunch and had a little lie down as he thought

00:27:21.660 --> 00:27:23.900
he would before he'd go down to the barns. Said

00:27:23.900 --> 00:27:26.559
he wasn't feeling that well. He never woke up

00:27:26.559 --> 00:27:29.640
from that sleep that day. Passed away in the

00:27:29.640 --> 00:27:31.960
sunroom, which was probably a nice way to...

00:27:31.950 --> 00:27:35.410
to go at the age of 70. I think in the community,

00:27:35.809 --> 00:27:39.910
you know, well respected for being honest, hardworking

00:27:39.910 --> 00:27:43.130
farmer. And he showed great leadership skills.

00:27:43.329 --> 00:27:45.670
Yes, yes. And I think that was it. That's what

00:27:45.670 --> 00:27:48.690
you're seeing, the ability to stand up, you know,

00:27:48.710 --> 00:27:52.329
for what you believe, expression of opinion and,

00:27:52.390 --> 00:27:54.910
you know, and make sure your voice was heard.

00:27:55.490 --> 00:27:58.150
And so my dad, I think, as he come and he, you

00:27:58.150 --> 00:28:01.130
know, grew up and went through. He became involved

00:28:01.130 --> 00:28:04.289
in a lot of the same things. He ended up captain

00:28:04.289 --> 00:28:07.470
of the Bushfire Brigade, president of the school

00:28:07.470 --> 00:28:11.410
PNC, involved in the PNC at a primary, went straight

00:28:11.410 --> 00:28:13.670
to Bombardierie High which had just opened and

00:28:13.670 --> 00:28:16.029
he was involved in, you know, heavily involved

00:28:16.029 --> 00:28:19.349
in the PNC and chair of the PNC at high school.

00:28:19.799 --> 00:28:22.099
did a lot of advocating and did a lot of the

00:28:22.099 --> 00:28:24.140
work around getting the Shellhaven High built,

00:28:24.279 --> 00:28:27.079
fighting to get Shellhaven High built and things

00:28:27.079 --> 00:28:30.440
like that. Is that now called Narrah High? No,

00:28:30.440 --> 00:28:33.559
Narrah High was the first high and then Bombardiery

00:28:33.559 --> 00:28:36.599
High came and so he was involved as a member

00:28:36.599 --> 00:28:39.940
of the Jaspers Brushpan so then getting Bombardiery

00:28:39.940 --> 00:28:42.960
High up and running and built and then later

00:28:42.960 --> 00:28:47.319
on as that grew Shellhaven High. Education was

00:28:47.319 --> 00:28:50.079
really important at that I think because He grew

00:28:50.079 --> 00:28:52.980
up in a time and he left at 15 to work on the

00:28:52.980 --> 00:28:55.819
farm and he just said none of us were going to

00:28:55.819 --> 00:28:57.759
be leaving school until we finished high school,

00:28:57.960 --> 00:29:00.039
finished the high school certificate. That's

00:29:00.039 --> 00:29:02.839
what he stood by and we all went through and

00:29:02.839 --> 00:29:04.880
did the high school certificate. Like his father,

00:29:05.099 --> 00:29:07.779
he was very involved with the dairy industry

00:29:07.779 --> 00:29:10.900
and the dairy factory and then he spent 12 years

00:29:10.900 --> 00:29:15.859
there as a director from 1976 and right through,

00:29:15.980 --> 00:29:19.410
elected as the deputy chair and then... elected

00:29:19.410 --> 00:29:21.950
as the chair, what was the Nowra Dairy Co -op

00:29:21.950 --> 00:29:25.009
at that stage. So he was around and involved

00:29:25.009 --> 00:29:28.750
when they fought for a merger, they fought against

00:29:28.750 --> 00:29:31.650
a lot of takeover bids. They worked with other

00:29:31.650 --> 00:29:34.109
co -ops to try and get an amalgamation and they

00:29:34.109 --> 00:29:38.490
amalgamated the Jambiru factory. 1984 the Jambiru

00:29:38.490 --> 00:29:42.190
and the Nowra co -ops, they actually officially

00:29:42.190 --> 00:29:45.750
amalgamated and created the Shellhaven Dairy

00:29:45.750 --> 00:29:48.200
Co -op. They only become the first chair of the

00:29:48.200 --> 00:29:50.960
first board for the new Shell Haven factory.

00:29:51.359 --> 00:29:55.039
All through that era of change. At the same time

00:29:55.039 --> 00:29:58.680
was involved in the Cooperative Society. Was

00:29:58.680 --> 00:30:01.160
involved at a high level and on the board and

00:30:01.160 --> 00:30:04.160
did trips overseas and so forth. So he was part

00:30:04.160 --> 00:30:07.079
of the board and go to Sydney regularly for meetings

00:30:07.079 --> 00:30:09.579
with the Cooperative Society. He very much was

00:30:09.579 --> 00:30:11.960
a believer in cooperatives. I don't know how

00:30:11.960 --> 00:30:14.759
he managed to be a farmer getting up at those

00:30:14.759 --> 00:30:17.589
hours in the morning. coming home and then rushing

00:30:17.589 --> 00:30:21.230
off to so many night meetings. Later in the 80s

00:30:21.230 --> 00:30:24.329
he was up and down to Sydney continually for

00:30:24.329 --> 00:30:27.269
meetings but yeah he was another one who believed

00:30:27.269 --> 00:30:30.809
in what he standing up and being counted for

00:30:30.809 --> 00:30:33.710
your opinions and then but he also believed very

00:30:33.710 --> 00:30:36.650
much in doing your homework that's what he'd

00:30:36.650 --> 00:30:39.150
say don't ever speak until you've done your homework

00:30:39.150 --> 00:30:41.650
do all the research do the homework get both

00:30:41.650 --> 00:30:44.809
sides of the story then form your opinion and

00:30:44.809 --> 00:30:47.849
then speak. and then stand up for what you believe

00:30:47.849 --> 00:30:51.009
in. So that was kind of what he always told us

00:30:51.009 --> 00:30:54.230
as kids and we've seen that demonstrated time

00:30:54.230 --> 00:30:57.150
and time. And another thing, part of it was you're

00:30:57.150 --> 00:30:59.910
not always going to agree with one another. So

00:30:59.910 --> 00:31:01.390
you're going to stand up and speak and a lot

00:31:01.390 --> 00:31:03.609
of people in the room may not agree with you.

00:31:03.930 --> 00:31:07.369
When you walk out the door then that's it, you

00:31:07.369 --> 00:31:10.589
leave it there and then you continue with your

00:31:10.589 --> 00:31:12.950
friendships. Everyone's right to have a different

00:31:12.950 --> 00:31:16.000
opinion on things. He very much fought for a

00:31:16.000 --> 00:31:18.420
lot of that. So he was doing that at the same

00:31:18.420 --> 00:31:21.380
time when he was the chair of the Berry Show

00:31:21.380 --> 00:31:25.279
Society and attending a lot of those other bigger

00:31:25.279 --> 00:31:28.880
events and being involved in that. But he was

00:31:28.880 --> 00:31:30.900
very much committed to that. So when he wasn't

00:31:30.900 --> 00:31:35.059
farming, he was spending time attending meetings

00:31:35.059 --> 00:31:38.819
and trying to make sure those things that were

00:31:38.819 --> 00:31:42.420
important to him were progressing. and going

00:31:42.420 --> 00:31:45.099
in the right direction. So yeah, very much a

00:31:45.099 --> 00:31:48.299
fighter for The Berry Show to continue to be

00:31:48.299 --> 00:31:52.119
an agricultural event and not get taken over

00:31:52.119 --> 00:31:54.660
and dragged off in other directions just to be

00:31:54.660 --> 00:31:56.980
more profitable or more exciting. Continuing

00:31:56.980 --> 00:31:59.660
to have the show where it demonstrated the dairy

00:31:59.660 --> 00:32:01.940
industry, you know, the industry, the agriculture.

00:32:02.240 --> 00:32:05.869
So thinking about... Your siblings could you

00:32:05.869 --> 00:32:08.470
name them all for me and where you went to school?

00:32:08.569 --> 00:32:11.210
So because there's a few of us so Sue was my

00:32:11.210 --> 00:32:15.750
older sister born in 54 so Sue then Gail then

00:32:15.750 --> 00:32:17.910
myself I was number three in the family then

00:32:17.910 --> 00:32:20.930
my brother Michael and then there was Janet then

00:32:20.930 --> 00:32:23.259
Leanne then we had a little bit of a gap and

00:32:23.259 --> 00:32:25.460
then there was another two more surprises so

00:32:25.460 --> 00:32:28.339
we had Tracy and Nicole and that's the eight

00:32:28.339 --> 00:32:31.680
of us now. As the old ones we all went to to

00:32:31.680 --> 00:32:34.859
Jaspersbrush Primary School so we'd walk or sometimes

00:32:34.859 --> 00:32:38.880
get driven but mostly go up in a jeep maybe but

00:32:38.880 --> 00:32:41.279
mostly we walked all through the paddocks and

00:32:41.279 --> 00:32:43.640
as most of the kids did they just walked to school

00:32:43.640 --> 00:32:46.859
near Jaspersbrush Creek where the bridge is.

00:32:47.069 --> 00:32:49.410
just before you come over the bridge to go down

00:32:49.410 --> 00:32:51.670
to Railway Lane. It's called Jaspers Brush Lane

00:32:51.670 --> 00:32:54.609
these days, but yeah, so it was between those

00:32:54.609 --> 00:32:58.029
two lanes there on the highway. Was the teacher

00:32:58.029 --> 00:33:02.990
there a while or...? Earlier on Mr Hunt had come

00:33:02.990 --> 00:33:06.490
and then Mr Punch, so most of us went through

00:33:06.490 --> 00:33:10.470
with Mr Punch. The school closed because the

00:33:10.470 --> 00:33:13.309
numbers were dropping. Go through that wave and

00:33:13.309 --> 00:33:15.880
it was before all the... Farms started to get

00:33:15.880 --> 00:33:18.279
sold and subdivided and lots of other kids come

00:33:18.279 --> 00:33:20.819
to town and whatever, come to live in Jaspersbrush,

00:33:20.920 --> 00:33:23.420
but it was that era. So numbers were dropping

00:33:23.420 --> 00:33:26.759
right down and so then my brother, the younger

00:33:26.759 --> 00:33:29.799
ones, all went through Bombardierie Primary once

00:33:29.799 --> 00:33:34.140
the school closed. So that's... In the 60s? Yeah,

00:33:34.380 --> 00:33:37.740
68 I think that was, yeah. So once they moved

00:33:37.740 --> 00:33:39.779
there, there was a bus that used to take them,

00:33:39.880 --> 00:33:42.059
pick them up on the highway and we'd go to high

00:33:42.059 --> 00:33:45.279
school on the bus as well. So once we all went

00:33:45.279 --> 00:33:47.440
to high school, there was a bus that ran from

00:33:47.440 --> 00:33:50.039
Berry to Bommeterry High. When you're thinking

00:33:50.039 --> 00:33:53.099
about where you are in Iceland's land and you're

00:33:53.099 --> 00:33:56.119
thinking about how the landscape looked, I imagine

00:33:56.119 --> 00:33:58.740
there were a lot more silos in that landscape.

00:33:59.460 --> 00:34:01.960
Yes, there were. There were a few most of the

00:34:01.960 --> 00:34:06.039
times. And the concrete ones tend to still be

00:34:06.039 --> 00:34:07.660
there, some of them, and a lot of the others

00:34:07.660 --> 00:34:11.110
then. with the metal silos or whatever that we'll

00:34:11.110 --> 00:34:14.090
put up later on but yeah for just this brush

00:34:14.090 --> 00:34:17.909
there wasn't as many silos as far meadow some

00:34:17.909 --> 00:34:20.309
of the other areas around it but there's still

00:34:20.309 --> 00:34:24.639
a few of them. that you can see around. And going

00:34:24.639 --> 00:34:28.559
into Maroo Meadow to school, what did it look

00:34:28.559 --> 00:34:30.920
like on the left there of the highway? Well again

00:34:30.920 --> 00:34:33.420
it was just all dairy farms either side really

00:34:33.420 --> 00:34:36.460
and the little Maroo school and the little church

00:34:36.460 --> 00:34:40.199
there but basically it was just cows and paddocks.

00:34:40.300 --> 00:34:42.360
It was all dairy farms right through there in

00:34:42.360 --> 00:34:45.739
our earlier days. Through from Berry, yeah. It's

00:34:45.739 --> 00:34:48.309
changed quite a bit now. So tell me about your

00:34:48.309 --> 00:34:50.789
farm, just briefly. Your dairy farm, how big

00:34:50.789 --> 00:34:54.110
was your dairy farm? So they bought, it was about

00:34:54.110 --> 00:35:00.030
250, 240 acres when they first came there. When

00:35:00.030 --> 00:35:02.309
Stan bought that, Glenmore, known as Glenmore.

00:35:02.349 --> 00:35:05.150
So that was a little bit on both sides. So both

00:35:05.150 --> 00:35:07.349
sides of the highway there and went down and

00:35:07.349 --> 00:35:09.650
had the swamp in it and then a little bit up

00:35:09.650 --> 00:35:12.230
where the ice and lane is. They had some property

00:35:12.230 --> 00:35:15.349
up there. And when my father was getting married,

00:35:16.509 --> 00:35:20.469
in 1953. So a new house was built on the farm

00:35:20.469 --> 00:35:24.230
for his parents, for Stan and Mark, to move into

00:35:24.230 --> 00:35:26.949
and that was built on the highway on the other

00:35:26.949 --> 00:35:29.949
side just where Ison's Lane meets the highway

00:35:29.949 --> 00:35:33.510
now. So they moved into that and Dad stayed in

00:35:33.510 --> 00:35:36.010
the house he was raised in and family home and

00:35:36.010 --> 00:35:38.690
Mum moved in there and that's where we all grew

00:35:38.690 --> 00:35:42.090
up. in that house. Ison Lane only come about

00:35:42.090 --> 00:35:45.590
recently so in those days it was directly on

00:35:45.590 --> 00:35:49.449
and off the highway and these days just after

00:35:49.449 --> 00:35:52.030
this last lot of works where the overpass and

00:35:52.030 --> 00:35:55.429
the bridge is then it's become an offshoot of

00:35:55.429 --> 00:35:58.070
Jaspers brush lane and it runs down to there

00:35:58.070 --> 00:36:00.309
so it's sitting in the same place in the last

00:36:00.309 --> 00:36:02.949
few years it's all been re... done up because

00:36:02.949 --> 00:36:06.250
my sister owns it and her husband so the original

00:36:06.250 --> 00:36:09.590
house still sits there so it's about 140 years

00:36:09.590 --> 00:36:13.449
old now and um yeah from what we understand 120

00:36:13.449 --> 00:36:16.570
somewhere around that age and it's had a few

00:36:16.570 --> 00:36:19.949
modifications over its time but it's just been

00:36:19.949 --> 00:36:23.750
completely redone up there so that's the that's

00:36:23.750 --> 00:36:26.110
the original dairy cottage that's the that's

00:36:26.110 --> 00:36:29.489
the original homestead yep so did you have electricity

00:36:29.489 --> 00:36:33.119
growing up and In my times, yes, I can remember.

00:36:33.159 --> 00:36:35.659
We had no hot water, but we had electricity.

00:36:36.440 --> 00:36:39.380
So the hot water came from the fuel stove. So

00:36:39.380 --> 00:36:41.760
the cooking and everything was always the fuel

00:36:41.760 --> 00:36:44.659
stove. So that had to go 24 -7. What was the

00:36:44.659 --> 00:36:50.300
fuel? Wood. Wood fire? Yep. In the bails of course

00:36:50.300 --> 00:36:52.420
they had a copper there because they needed boiling

00:36:52.420 --> 00:36:55.400
water to wash things down and clean up and sterilise

00:36:55.400 --> 00:36:57.900
all the milk cans etc. At the end of milking

00:36:57.900 --> 00:37:01.579
Dad would bring a can of hot water up and throw

00:37:01.579 --> 00:37:04.739
that in the bath and then all the kids one after

00:37:04.739 --> 00:37:07.420
the other in together and one after another and

00:37:07.420 --> 00:37:10.579
then we'd have a bath each night that way. But

00:37:10.579 --> 00:37:12.500
that was the only hot water we had in the house

00:37:12.500 --> 00:37:16.289
is what he brought up after milking. Or what

00:37:16.289 --> 00:37:19.969
came off the top of the fuel stove in the kitchen.

00:37:20.090 --> 00:37:22.630
Yep, and that was it. So that was the early days.

00:37:22.789 --> 00:37:24.829
And for washing, with so many of us, that would

00:37:24.829 --> 00:37:27.710
have been fun for Mum, because she just had the

00:37:27.710 --> 00:37:30.469
old copper top down in the laundry, a separate

00:37:30.469 --> 00:37:32.489
thing. Which was quite dangerous, wasn't it?

00:37:32.570 --> 00:37:35.469
Well, yeah. I know some women were burnt to death

00:37:35.469 --> 00:37:38.389
and things from the hot water. Yes, and not fun.

00:37:38.690 --> 00:37:41.090
I remember that early, changing the excitement.

00:37:41.230 --> 00:37:43.150
The washing machine that had the two ringers

00:37:43.150 --> 00:37:45.980
on the top. That was heaven. They thought at

00:37:45.980 --> 00:37:47.699
the time and now you look at it and you think

00:37:47.699 --> 00:37:50.440
that's why washing took so long. Housework those

00:37:50.440 --> 00:37:53.099
days was a full -time job. Sticking with that,

00:37:53.179 --> 00:37:54.780
what was your mother cooking like? Did she have

00:37:54.780 --> 00:37:57.539
to cook everything? Yep, in those early days

00:37:57.539 --> 00:37:59.760
that was it. So they'd be up from early in the

00:37:59.760 --> 00:38:02.519
morning and the guys were working outside in

00:38:02.519 --> 00:38:04.119
the farm and then they'd just spend all their

00:38:04.119 --> 00:38:07.500
time doing housework, preparing meals, cooking,

00:38:07.820 --> 00:38:10.099
cleaning, getting up and she used to make our

00:38:10.099 --> 00:38:13.190
clothes as well. So she'd be off. often up to

00:38:13.190 --> 00:38:15.230
midnight and past midnight, you know, sewing

00:38:15.230 --> 00:38:18.130
clothes and making clothes, etc. A long day's

00:38:18.130 --> 00:38:20.590
work for both the farmers out in the paddock

00:38:20.590 --> 00:38:23.690
as well as the women inside. And my grandmother

00:38:23.690 --> 00:38:26.670
used to cook a lot. She'd be up, you know, early

00:38:26.670 --> 00:38:29.250
in the morning cooking biscuits every day and

00:38:29.250 --> 00:38:31.449
all that because they'd make sure that they needed

00:38:31.449 --> 00:38:33.690
to have morning tea and afternoon tea before

00:38:33.690 --> 00:38:35.769
they went to milk as well. You'd be finishing

00:38:35.769 --> 00:38:37.969
breakfast and then getting ready for morning

00:38:37.969 --> 00:38:40.230
tea, getting ready for lunch, getting ready for

00:38:40.230 --> 00:38:42.519
afternoon tea and then the dinner. And what were

00:38:42.519 --> 00:38:44.719
you taking to school to eat? Was it sandwiches?

00:38:45.079 --> 00:38:47.239
Yeah, there was none of that. So you'd have the

00:38:47.239 --> 00:38:50.159
hot milk, the milk that'd get left there. But

00:38:50.159 --> 00:38:53.500
the P &C guys, they bought an ice chest. It'd

00:38:53.500 --> 00:38:55.519
be left at the school gate so that the milk could

00:38:55.519 --> 00:38:57.500
go in there. So the big block of ice had come

00:38:57.500 --> 00:39:00.019
each day to try and keep the milk chilled. The

00:39:00.019 --> 00:39:02.840
fruit and Vegemite peanut butter sandwiches and

00:39:02.840 --> 00:39:05.400
that sort of thing mostly. Then the milk that

00:39:05.400 --> 00:39:07.780
always was delivered to all the schools in those

00:39:07.780 --> 00:39:09.940
days. The milk had come in little glass bottles

00:39:09.940 --> 00:39:13.760
with the foil tops on it. in my day. Just exploring

00:39:13.760 --> 00:39:16.500
the house a bit more because I mean I come from

00:39:16.500 --> 00:39:18.900
a large family too and we had hot water because

00:39:18.900 --> 00:39:21.000
it was urban you know on the fringe but urban.

00:39:21.190 --> 00:39:23.050
And we'd all get in, like, there'd be three of

00:39:23.050 --> 00:39:24.889
us in the bath. There'd be no, like, you know,

00:39:24.969 --> 00:39:27.590
there was no dramas. We'd all be in the bath,

00:39:27.610 --> 00:39:30.309
you know? That's exactly how it was. We never

00:39:30.309 --> 00:39:31.849
thought about, you don't think about, you know,

00:39:31.869 --> 00:39:34.210
what's normal. No. You don't question, and that

00:39:34.210 --> 00:39:36.309
was it. There was so many, and it was, you know,

00:39:36.369 --> 00:39:38.829
there was a routine every day, and then once

00:39:38.829 --> 00:39:40.929
the can of water, hot water, went in, and it

00:39:40.929 --> 00:39:43.949
was right. Yes. You bunch in the big ones, two

00:39:43.949 --> 00:39:45.849
of the next ones, and then some out, and some

00:39:45.849 --> 00:39:48.570
in, and some coming out, getting... dressed and

00:39:48.570 --> 00:39:50.449
nappies on and whatever and then after that dad

00:39:50.449 --> 00:39:52.809
would usually have a bath and that was it. Now

00:39:52.809 --> 00:39:55.610
I'm not sure about my mum where mum fitted in

00:39:55.610 --> 00:39:57.949
to get her bath because she was in there organising

00:39:57.949 --> 00:40:01.289
dinner and whatever. So with her supplies did

00:40:01.289 --> 00:40:04.329
she, you had chooks did you? Yeah yeah my grandfather

00:40:04.329 --> 00:40:07.530
loved his garden and he loved chooks and fruit

00:40:07.530 --> 00:40:10.789
trees and whatever. What was he growing? Oh look

00:40:10.789 --> 00:40:13.360
I think When they had their property out at Narrow

00:40:13.360 --> 00:40:16.380
Hill, I think he grew everything. Not just the

00:40:16.380 --> 00:40:18.719
normal run -of -the -mill apples and oranges

00:40:18.719 --> 00:40:20.360
kind of stuff. They had everything, and they

00:40:20.360 --> 00:40:23.059
used to do a lot of bottling and a lot of preserving.

00:40:23.219 --> 00:40:25.800
Then grandfather, you know, established a similar,

00:40:26.119 --> 00:40:28.400
but not to the same extent. But there was a lot

00:40:28.400 --> 00:40:30.840
of apple trees, orange trees. At Jaspersbrush,

00:40:31.039 --> 00:40:33.460
yeah, it was only mainly for himself or that

00:40:33.460 --> 00:40:35.920
people had swapped things, but yeah, they'd do

00:40:35.920 --> 00:40:38.150
a lot of preserving with... a lot of the stone

00:40:38.150 --> 00:40:40.409
fruits and whatever they had there during the

00:40:40.409 --> 00:40:42.570
veggie gardens, you know, like he had a massive

00:40:42.570 --> 00:40:44.849
veggie garden. And it was all just to sustain

00:40:44.849 --> 00:40:46.889
their family and you might swap with neighbours

00:40:46.889 --> 00:40:50.070
and so forth. And then the chooks, yeah, grandfather

00:40:50.070 --> 00:40:53.170
always loved. So we always had chooks and the

00:40:53.170 --> 00:40:55.929
eggs and the whole lot. So that was his, you

00:40:55.929 --> 00:40:58.429
know, as he kind of retired from milking and

00:40:58.429 --> 00:41:00.449
getting too hard in his seventies for the milking,

00:41:00.690 --> 00:41:03.449
the later years he'd still come down to feed

00:41:03.449 --> 00:41:06.090
calves and collect the eggs and make sure the

00:41:06.090 --> 00:41:08.920
chooks were. were right and sorted out and that

00:41:08.920 --> 00:41:10.760
sort of thing. Do you know what types of chooks?

00:41:10.760 --> 00:41:13.820
Did he show them at the shows? No, no. That was

00:41:13.820 --> 00:41:17.360
one thing our family never did. Dad, they were

00:41:17.360 --> 00:41:19.960
heavily involved in the show and the Berry Show,

00:41:20.239 --> 00:41:23.659
particularly my dad, until just when he was about

00:41:23.659 --> 00:41:27.480
90. They didn't go in for, you know, registered

00:41:27.480 --> 00:41:30.400
cattle and they had to be registered cattle to

00:41:30.400 --> 00:41:32.780
be showing. They never got involved in that side

00:41:32.780 --> 00:41:35.420
of it. What was always there as a Stuart, it

00:41:35.420 --> 00:41:37.550
was probably about where they fitted in that

00:41:37.550 --> 00:41:40.789
with terms of financial money. It was all about

00:41:40.789 --> 00:41:43.710
money. They didn't have a lot. So thinking about

00:41:43.710 --> 00:41:45.949
the cows, how many cows were being milked in

00:41:45.949 --> 00:41:48.710
the types? Were they Frisians? Were they Illawarra's?

00:41:48.829 --> 00:41:52.150
What were they? We were Frisians, our farm, always

00:41:52.150 --> 00:41:55.170
the black and white, but you always mixed a couple

00:41:55.170 --> 00:41:58.489
of others in there for cream, jerseys and the

00:41:58.489 --> 00:42:01.750
Guernsey's. So you had a few of those all mixed

00:42:01.750 --> 00:42:06.199
in amongst, but 90%. was the freezers for milk

00:42:06.199 --> 00:42:09.039
supply. How many were you milking? When they

00:42:09.039 --> 00:42:11.719
first were farming there in the early days, I

00:42:11.719 --> 00:42:13.820
think it was around the 60, and a lot of it was

00:42:13.820 --> 00:42:15.960
dictated a bit by your milk quota, your size

00:42:15.960 --> 00:42:18.059
of your property. So with Dad there and over

00:42:18.059 --> 00:42:21.099
time, once he got married, of course he was getting

00:42:21.099 --> 00:42:25.039
married in 53. Just after that then he became

00:42:25.039 --> 00:42:28.199
a share farmer with his father. In the 60s, you

00:42:28.199 --> 00:42:30.460
know, a little bit further down the track, they

00:42:30.460 --> 00:42:33.960
entered into a partnership arrangement. registered

00:42:33.960 --> 00:42:37.239
the business name for the farm in the name of

00:42:37.239 --> 00:42:41.059
ACS Eisen and Son. So they worked under that

00:42:41.059 --> 00:42:44.019
partnership agreement right up then. Then around

00:42:44.019 --> 00:42:47.679
67, so they had an opportunity to buy the farm

00:42:47.679 --> 00:42:51.900
next door. That was Davis' farm, known as Dawning.

00:42:52.000 --> 00:42:55.099
At that stage it was just being leased out. The

00:42:55.099 --> 00:42:57.820
Walker family were living there and farming it,

00:42:58.159 --> 00:43:01.909
but the Davis farm then was in an estate. had

00:43:01.909 --> 00:43:04.289
to be sold and that was purchased by Mam and

00:43:04.289 --> 00:43:08.150
Dad. in their name, so in 67 that was, so they

00:43:08.150 --> 00:43:10.170
owned it. And what sort of money are they paying?

00:43:10.329 --> 00:43:12.889
How big was that property? Yes, I think it was

00:43:12.889 --> 00:43:16.670
around 170 hectares that they got to add to it.

00:43:16.670 --> 00:43:19.150
I'm not sure what money they were paying for

00:43:19.150 --> 00:43:21.610
it. So that's quite an expansion. That gave them,

00:43:21.769 --> 00:43:24.090
yeah, because that's it. You needed bigger and

00:43:24.090 --> 00:43:26.230
it's the quotas that they needed, a bigger quota

00:43:26.230 --> 00:43:28.750
and the whole lot. So that gave them an opportunity

00:43:28.750 --> 00:43:31.050
to grow and so then, you know, they grew it and

00:43:31.050 --> 00:43:34.320
it was more getting up towards the 80 head. When

00:43:34.320 --> 00:43:36.699
they're buying property with the milk quota system,

00:43:36.940 --> 00:43:39.280
they're getting the milk quota attached to the

00:43:39.280 --> 00:43:41.679
property. Generally, that's how it works, yes.

00:43:42.019 --> 00:43:45.539
So during Mum and Dad's time, Grandfather's time

00:43:45.539 --> 00:43:48.280
there, they actually had what they called a dry

00:43:48.280 --> 00:43:51.440
run. So Grandfather had bought in the 40s a property

00:43:51.440 --> 00:43:54.900
at Wattamulla up here at Berry. So they had that

00:43:54.900 --> 00:43:58.159
and for the quota. And then they had an opportunity

00:43:58.159 --> 00:44:01.530
to buy his old... farm back at Narrahill, watermelon

00:44:01.530 --> 00:44:04.449
got sold and they bought that back which helped

00:44:04.449 --> 00:44:07.929
them because that gave them a quota and extra

00:44:07.929 --> 00:44:10.510
land. How big was that one? So it was probably

00:44:10.510 --> 00:44:14.590
that similar sort of 150 or so acres there that

00:44:14.590 --> 00:44:16.750
they had. Then when they got the opportunity

00:44:16.750 --> 00:44:20.750
to buy dawning the Narrahill property was sold

00:44:20.750 --> 00:44:23.389
as well so then they had the two properties there

00:44:23.389 --> 00:44:26.429
combined and they combined all that to one. one

00:44:26.429 --> 00:44:28.849
farm, one business. By the time when they finished,

00:44:29.570 --> 00:44:31.929
my brother and my dad were farming together after

00:44:31.929 --> 00:44:35.530
my grandfather passed away. My brother had finished

00:44:35.530 --> 00:44:38.550
university, he'd be doing ag out at Wagga and

00:44:38.550 --> 00:44:41.610
come back onto the property with dad and then

00:44:41.610 --> 00:44:44.150
they were able to start to have another look

00:44:44.150 --> 00:44:46.659
at. how the business was operated, make it a

00:44:46.659 --> 00:44:48.880
bit more modern, increase the herd again. And

00:44:48.880 --> 00:44:51.280
in that time they bought a property at Maroo,

00:44:51.519 --> 00:44:53.800
known as the Shepherds. The Shepherds Farm, it

00:44:53.800 --> 00:44:57.239
was just Shepherds. So that was down Maroo Road.

00:44:57.639 --> 00:45:00.059
Fletcher's Lane. Yeah, so on the bales, then

00:45:00.059 --> 00:45:03.079
they redeveloped, because the bales on the farm,

00:45:03.320 --> 00:45:05.800
six bales, so that's pretty slow milking. And

00:45:05.800 --> 00:45:08.719
in those days, the way it was done, we had a

00:45:08.719 --> 00:45:11.179
really big shed on the property just near the

00:45:11.179 --> 00:45:15.389
bales, with cattle stalls in it. and in between

00:45:15.389 --> 00:45:18.110
two rows of cattle stores there was a sunken

00:45:18.110 --> 00:45:21.989
pit with a trolley on railway tracks. Put all

00:45:21.989 --> 00:45:24.329
the silage, the hay, whatever would go in and

00:45:24.329 --> 00:45:27.269
we'd go through and fill up all the cattle stores.

00:45:28.050 --> 00:45:30.190
We'd feed, the cows would come in and be fed

00:45:30.190 --> 00:45:33.090
first before they'd go to be milked. That's why

00:45:33.090 --> 00:45:36.110
milking was such a long process. When grandfather

00:45:36.110 --> 00:45:39.110
had first bought and dad was milking, that was

00:45:39.110 --> 00:45:41.550
a thing. We'd have to go down there and help.

00:45:41.659 --> 00:45:44.260
you know fill up this trolley that we'd push

00:45:44.260 --> 00:45:46.780
up and down the in between the stalls. Quite

00:45:46.780 --> 00:45:49.039
a good system really. It was great and above

00:45:49.039 --> 00:45:52.269
it. there was a loft full of hay. So you had

00:45:52.269 --> 00:45:54.289
kind of three levels. Yeah, there was a storage

00:45:54.289 --> 00:45:57.949
level here and then on, on railway trucks. Yes.

00:45:58.070 --> 00:46:00.190
In this trolley that we'd push up and down and

00:46:00.190 --> 00:46:02.210
then you'd fill it up with feed. And as the cows

00:46:02.210 --> 00:46:05.070
come in, you knew personally, like you knew every

00:46:05.070 --> 00:46:07.590
cow, they had a name and you knew the cows. And

00:46:07.590 --> 00:46:10.769
so then they had, depending what cow it was,

00:46:10.929 --> 00:46:13.110
what stage of their milking, whether they were.

00:46:13.679 --> 00:46:15.840
Pregnant this one had to get this much pollen

00:46:15.840 --> 00:46:17.780
this one had to get this much brand this one

00:46:17.780 --> 00:46:20.360
had to So you just knew you had a list and you'd

00:46:20.360 --> 00:46:23.320
go through and then once the cow was in you gave

00:46:23.320 --> 00:46:27.500
it its additional supplement a fee based on What

00:46:27.500 --> 00:46:29.760
cow it was who it was up and whatever? So when

00:46:29.760 --> 00:46:32.000
that was all over then they'd go into the yard

00:46:32.000 --> 00:46:34.320
and then they'd start milking and that in those

00:46:34.320 --> 00:46:36.880
earlier days So it was only six milking stores.

00:46:36.880 --> 00:46:39.800
So it was a walk through, six bales. Yep, come

00:46:39.800 --> 00:46:43.460
in they grow whatever ones you needed to down

00:46:43.460 --> 00:46:46.000
on the stool underneath for the bucket and we

00:46:46.000 --> 00:46:48.719
washed, cleaned them and whatever and then we

00:46:48.719 --> 00:46:51.619
had electric milking machine. So the cups, you'd

00:46:51.619 --> 00:46:54.619
put the cups on? The cups on, yep. Had to work

00:46:54.619 --> 00:46:56.840
out which ones had mastitis or this or that or

00:46:56.840 --> 00:47:00.099
had cuts or whatever that you had to treat and

00:47:00.099 --> 00:47:02.000
all the rest of it and there was a process but

00:47:02.000 --> 00:47:04.059
they were just being fed, separate from being

00:47:04.059 --> 00:47:08.400
fed. Then in about 81 I think they renovated

00:47:08.400 --> 00:47:12.059
the bales and made them eight and they also...

00:47:12.659 --> 00:47:16.039
then become feeding stalls at the same time so

00:47:16.039 --> 00:47:19.199
then they build a silo at the bales and then

00:47:19.199 --> 00:47:22.719
you're able to start to feed and milk the cows

00:47:22.719 --> 00:47:26.300
at the same time which saved a lot of work and

00:47:26.300 --> 00:47:29.179
a lot of time. We ended up with Dawning and what

00:47:29.179 --> 00:47:33.079
came with Dawning was another house and so Michael

00:47:33.079 --> 00:47:35.239
lived in that house so they're both on the swamp

00:47:35.239 --> 00:47:39.500
side, the two houses. And then in the 70s when

00:47:39.500 --> 00:47:41.579
Michael came home, as I was saying, they'd improved

00:47:41.579 --> 00:47:44.780
the other. They actually built new herringbone

00:47:44.780 --> 00:47:47.079
bale, a new design, and Michael designed and

00:47:47.079 --> 00:47:49.360
did all that. He did it different than the traditional.

00:47:49.500 --> 00:47:51.420
They were about ten a side and with the pit,

00:47:51.639 --> 00:47:54.539
which made milking a lot easier, a lot safer,

00:47:55.260 --> 00:47:58.280
and more enjoyable for farmers and the cows.

00:47:58.820 --> 00:48:01.320
And they could get through a lot. So they got

00:48:01.320 --> 00:48:04.519
their quota, you know, they got up to about a

00:48:04.519 --> 00:48:09.199
milking 120 head. Important milestones was when

00:48:09.199 --> 00:48:12.239
they moved to the bulk milk collection system

00:48:12.239 --> 00:48:16.760
in the 60s, the mid 60s there, where everybody

00:48:16.760 --> 00:48:21.300
changed over from factory cans and having collections

00:48:21.300 --> 00:48:26.179
after every milking to installing the milk vats,

00:48:26.280 --> 00:48:28.960
the big milk vats that was all through a refrigerated

00:48:28.960 --> 00:48:32.170
system. And then that milk only had to be collected

00:48:32.170 --> 00:48:34.610
after, you know, every second day. So we went

00:48:34.610 --> 00:48:37.110
to that system. So that was a big change. Then

00:48:37.110 --> 00:48:39.429
there were the big tankers. You had to upgrade

00:48:39.429 --> 00:48:42.289
your access roads and the dairy to make sure

00:48:42.289 --> 00:48:45.110
that they could get in and out safely and turn

00:48:45.110 --> 00:48:49.329
around. And you had to add this bat room to your

00:48:49.329 --> 00:48:52.210
bales and do all that. So that was a big expense

00:48:52.210 --> 00:48:54.949
for Simon and a big change for whether they got

00:48:54.949 --> 00:48:58.110
loans or financial assistance to help do that.

00:48:58.190 --> 00:49:01.219
But I think in that... they were buying them,

00:49:01.219 --> 00:49:03.340
buying the vats and putting them in so that was

00:49:03.340 --> 00:49:06.679
all part of the process. So were you upgrading

00:49:06.679 --> 00:49:09.440
the rows and paying for those costs? From my

00:49:09.440 --> 00:49:12.960
memory yes, yeah the farmers so just had to upgrade

00:49:12.960 --> 00:49:16.360
all that stuff but that made the work a lot easier.

00:49:16.579 --> 00:49:20.139
So in the bottom of the um the vat there was

00:49:20.139 --> 00:49:23.199
a little plug right at the bottom the lower point.

00:49:23.710 --> 00:49:25.889
and then a hose had come off the truck, they'd

00:49:25.889 --> 00:49:28.389
attach it to it. Did you ever go in a milk truck?

00:49:28.429 --> 00:49:31.369
We did, yep. So that was Johnny Mitchell. His

00:49:31.369 --> 00:49:34.130
father did it before him. Depending on what day

00:49:34.130 --> 00:49:36.170
of the week or where it was or what time or how

00:49:36.170 --> 00:49:39.190
much time he had, he was happy to throw us in

00:49:39.190 --> 00:49:41.670
with him. So after it left our place, then they'd

00:49:41.670 --> 00:49:44.809
go down Railway Lane and Strongs Lane and then

00:49:44.809 --> 00:49:46.929
he'd drop us back on the highway on the way.

00:49:47.739 --> 00:49:49.900
as he was heading the other direction back to

00:49:49.900 --> 00:49:52.500
the factory. So yeah, we'd often, and I don't

00:49:52.500 --> 00:49:54.360
think he minded bringing us because then he'd

00:49:54.360 --> 00:49:57.380
get us to do, we could take all the empty, roll

00:49:57.380 --> 00:49:59.219
all the empty cans off because that's what he'd

00:49:59.219 --> 00:50:01.559
do, bring back the empty cans and then he'd put

00:50:01.559 --> 00:50:05.199
your full ones on. So we were there always helping

00:50:05.199 --> 00:50:07.659
get the empty cans off as he was getting the

00:50:07.659 --> 00:50:11.300
full ones on. And so once that changed over then

00:50:11.300 --> 00:50:13.679
I think those contractors have probably given

00:50:13.679 --> 00:50:16.320
some compensation. paid out of their contracts.

00:50:16.699 --> 00:50:19.079
So were you going to Berry for your supplies

00:50:19.079 --> 00:50:21.920
or were you going to Nauru as a family? So as

00:50:21.920 --> 00:50:24.639
a family in those days, that was all delivered.

00:50:24.960 --> 00:50:28.400
Mannals in Berry, they owned the shop where the

00:50:28.400 --> 00:50:31.920
IGA basically is now, the grocery shop. You rang

00:50:31.920 --> 00:50:34.000
through your order and it was delivered onto

00:50:34.000 --> 00:50:36.500
your kitchen table. You rang through your meat

00:50:36.500 --> 00:50:39.840
order, that was Darryl Atkins, the Atkins book,

00:50:40.000 --> 00:50:42.099
and it'd be delivered. Your bread had come, the

00:50:42.099 --> 00:50:44.639
Brandon's, deliver the bread. All that. would

00:50:44.639 --> 00:50:46.960
be delivered. So you just ring in your order

00:50:46.960 --> 00:50:49.760
and let it all be delivered. And that was in

00:50:49.760 --> 00:50:52.000
the earlier days. Then it was later on as they

00:50:52.000 --> 00:50:54.420
stopped doing that once I was in high school

00:50:54.420 --> 00:50:57.679
age more than before. Mum had had a licence and

00:50:57.679 --> 00:50:59.659
then when we were young she never had a licence

00:50:59.659 --> 00:51:02.059
but she got a licence later on. We never had

00:51:02.059 --> 00:51:05.320
a car. When we were kids there was grandfather

00:51:05.320 --> 00:51:07.820
owned a car and we could borrow it to go to church

00:51:07.820 --> 00:51:10.780
on Sunday. And what church did you attend? So

00:51:10.780 --> 00:51:13.719
we all went to the Presbyterian. My mum was a

00:51:13.719 --> 00:51:18.239
Presbyterian. The Isans were strong Methodists.

00:51:18.400 --> 00:51:21.739
Dad married a Presbyterian, so it wasn't a Catholic,

00:51:21.820 --> 00:51:25.059
so that was us. I know, I mean us poor Catholics.

00:51:25.159 --> 00:51:26.900
But it's interesting, isn't it? There was that

00:51:26.900 --> 00:51:29.579
divide because the Catholics in Bury had their

00:51:29.579 --> 00:51:32.980
own school as well, tended not to mix with the

00:51:32.980 --> 00:51:35.300
Methodists and the others, the Church of England.

00:51:35.840 --> 00:51:38.019
Yours were the dominant churches, weren't they?

00:51:38.619 --> 00:51:40.500
Yes, it was the Methodist Church of England and

00:51:40.500 --> 00:51:43.829
the Presbyterian. It just went with the with

00:51:43.829 --> 00:51:46.750
the settlement? Yep and then when they married

00:51:46.750 --> 00:51:49.369
because Dad became a Presbyterian and went to

00:51:49.369 --> 00:51:51.849
the Presbyterian Church and that was that was

00:51:51.849 --> 00:51:55.130
it that was all okay yeah so we were always went

00:51:55.130 --> 00:51:56.710
to the Presbyterian Church. Did you go to Sunday

00:51:56.710 --> 00:51:59.610
School? Went to Sunday School and Gussie Miller.

00:51:59.809 --> 00:52:01.590
Tell me about that. Gussie Miller who's still

00:52:01.590 --> 00:52:04.550
alive yeah so he was always very much in our

00:52:04.550 --> 00:52:06.949
minds. We all would have had Gussie Miller as

00:52:06.949 --> 00:52:09.630
a Sunday School teacher. Yeah, I did some Sunday

00:52:09.630 --> 00:52:12.349
school teaching for a while there too. High school

00:52:12.349 --> 00:52:14.789
days and then just as I left and went to work

00:52:14.789 --> 00:52:17.210
and everything, then that all kind of stopped.

00:52:17.570 --> 00:52:22.409
To Jaspersbrush, the core community asset there

00:52:22.409 --> 00:52:25.530
was the school, the Jaspersbrush school. Like

00:52:25.530 --> 00:52:27.670
I think in the earlier days, there was a school

00:52:27.670 --> 00:52:30.130
of arts hall there. You don't remember the railway

00:52:30.130 --> 00:52:32.989
station? Yes, I do. Yep, yep. I do remember the

00:52:32.989 --> 00:52:34.369
railway station. Do you remember what sort of

00:52:34.369 --> 00:52:37.510
trains were they staying? Yeah, they were still

00:52:37.510 --> 00:52:40.170
all that steam and diesel. Did you get the train

00:52:40.170 --> 00:52:44.050
there? Once or twice we did. In the very early

00:52:44.050 --> 00:52:46.789
days when we were little or we met people there

00:52:46.789 --> 00:52:49.829
that got off. But by that time the train wasn't

00:52:49.829 --> 00:52:52.269
stopping at Jasper's Brush unless you booked

00:52:52.269 --> 00:52:54.610
or rang, you know, that's what it went to. If

00:52:54.610 --> 00:52:56.429
you wanted to stop there you had to go and, you

00:52:56.429 --> 00:52:58.789
know, organise that or go in with the guard or

00:52:58.789 --> 00:53:02.320
get them to stop. So most people... it had transitioned

00:53:02.320 --> 00:53:04.800
out so you'd go to bury. In the early days I

00:53:04.800 --> 00:53:06.980
know my dad talked about you know when they'd

00:53:06.980 --> 00:53:09.579
go on the train well you'd just ride with the

00:53:09.579 --> 00:53:11.500
guard and then he would if there was nobody else

00:53:11.500 --> 00:53:13.820
to get off at Jaspersbrush railway station they'd

00:53:13.820 --> 00:53:17.000
drop him at the railway gates on our farm and

00:53:17.000 --> 00:53:19.340
just let him off and jump him off let him jump

00:53:19.340 --> 00:53:21.900
off there and whatever that was the earlier days

00:53:21.900 --> 00:53:25.260
but yeah so in those days yeah they stopped and

00:53:25.260 --> 00:53:27.880
by the time I was high school yeah they It was

00:53:27.880 --> 00:53:30.460
just not on the map at all. It was gone and they

00:53:30.460 --> 00:53:33.000
closed it and then they finally removed it all.

00:53:33.300 --> 00:53:36.099
When you were living in Jasper's brush, was it

00:53:36.099 --> 00:53:38.900
mainly Presbyterians or was there the, like,

00:53:39.000 --> 00:53:41.659
what was it? No, it was a mix. It definitely

00:53:41.659 --> 00:53:43.920
was a mix. When I went to school it was a little

00:53:43.920 --> 00:53:46.280
bit dominant because the Matthews up the line.

00:53:46.619 --> 00:53:50.019
had six children, and we had eight, and we both

00:53:50.019 --> 00:53:52.739
were the Presbyterians, so that probably added

00:53:52.739 --> 00:53:55.719
a few Presbyterians in there. But there was definitely

00:53:55.719 --> 00:53:58.320
a mixture of Church of England Catholics, the

00:53:58.320 --> 00:54:00.199
Horaces were there, they were Catholics, and

00:54:00.199 --> 00:54:02.619
they came to the school until they went to high

00:54:02.619 --> 00:54:05.460
school, and then they sent them to the Catholic

00:54:05.460 --> 00:54:08.780
school. Yeah, so we had a bit of a mixture at

00:54:08.780 --> 00:54:11.400
school, you never ever. Never even thought about

00:54:11.400 --> 00:54:13.920
it. That's right, but it's interesting. Was there

00:54:13.920 --> 00:54:18.800
any Jews? No, so that was the thing. Might have

00:54:18.800 --> 00:54:21.159
had an Aboriginal child there occasionally, just

00:54:21.159 --> 00:54:24.039
when they were staying with somebody or something

00:54:24.039 --> 00:54:26.519
else was happening. Or their family might have

00:54:26.519 --> 00:54:29.699
been in the area doing some pay picking or whatever

00:54:29.699 --> 00:54:32.019
for things. So there were some Aboriginal children

00:54:32.019 --> 00:54:34.320
who'd go to the school, but usually just for

00:54:34.320 --> 00:54:37.760
a part of a few months or a month or so, that

00:54:37.760 --> 00:54:41.769
sort of thing. or just all the farmers' kids.

00:54:43.369 --> 00:54:48.409
Our big memory is Jimmy Little. He came and Jimmy

00:54:48.409 --> 00:54:51.429
and his sister used to come and stay with the

00:54:51.429 --> 00:54:54.630
Johnson family down Railway Lane. And he came

00:54:54.630 --> 00:54:58.809
and sung for us at the Christmas tree event one

00:54:58.809 --> 00:55:01.949
year, our end of year and our Christmas do at

00:55:01.949 --> 00:55:04.590
the end of year. And he come and he sung, Telephone

00:55:04.590 --> 00:55:08.170
to Glory. You just remember that. We didn't.

00:55:08.250 --> 00:55:11.230
you know, realised. Great song. Yeah, we never

00:55:11.230 --> 00:55:13.130
realised how big a person, you know, whatever,

00:55:13.250 --> 00:55:15.230
it was just, oh yeah, the Johnsons are gone,

00:55:15.369 --> 00:55:18.670
you know, Jimmy and Betty staying with them again

00:55:18.670 --> 00:55:21.030
and they come along and oh, it's great, yeah.

00:55:21.150 --> 00:55:26.190
They were very involved in church and it was

00:55:26.190 --> 00:55:28.969
part of just what they did help looked after.

00:55:29.849 --> 00:55:32.070
Yeah, okay. Special memory because she's just

00:55:32.070 --> 00:55:35.230
had your normal. Our Santa was Johnny Strong

00:55:35.230 --> 00:55:37.269
from up the road, but Santa would always come

00:55:37.269 --> 00:55:40.019
in. have Christmas and we'd do that and we'd

00:55:40.019 --> 00:55:42.380
do a bit of dance and whatever else but we'd

00:55:42.380 --> 00:55:45.780
get our new, our book as a prize for the year

00:55:45.780 --> 00:55:49.179
and that was usually it. We all took home a book

00:55:49.179 --> 00:55:51.699
with the little sticker in the front with the

00:55:51.699 --> 00:55:55.360
PNC sticker in it which we still got some of

00:55:55.360 --> 00:55:57.460
those but yeah and that was it but that was a

00:55:57.460 --> 00:55:59.360
special of the year when he came along. And what

00:55:59.360 --> 00:56:03.059
was John Strong like? Oh everybody remembers

00:56:03.059 --> 00:56:07.360
him as being an unusual A different sort of farmer,

00:56:07.940 --> 00:56:11.179
not so conventional because he'd come home and

00:56:11.179 --> 00:56:14.900
he'd be ploughing up the paddock at two in the

00:56:14.900 --> 00:56:17.380
morning or doing or getting the cows into milk

00:56:17.380 --> 00:56:21.079
in the dark and whatever. So to be one of his

00:56:21.079 --> 00:56:23.400
cows would have been an interesting life I think

00:56:23.400 --> 00:56:26.480
because they'd be milked whenever I think it

00:56:26.480 --> 00:56:28.500
was time and whatever. So he'd be getting in

00:56:28.500 --> 00:56:31.139
cows and milking at weird times or he might only

00:56:31.139 --> 00:56:33.760
milk them. once a day you know everybody just

00:56:33.760 --> 00:56:36.500
remembers him as being yeah a bit unorthodox

00:56:36.500 --> 00:56:38.679
yeah he didn't do it the same as everybody else

00:56:38.679 --> 00:56:40.920
he was a little bit different I think he was

00:56:40.920 --> 00:56:44.239
a very big part of the community so let's talk

00:56:44.239 --> 00:56:48.139
about how Ison's Lane got registered as a lane

00:56:48.139 --> 00:56:51.340
yeah so that's that's right so like you know

00:56:51.340 --> 00:56:53.699
with the farms as I said you know I had grown

00:56:53.699 --> 00:56:58.000
up from one property to two got bitter and then

00:56:58.000 --> 00:57:01.699
you know dad and his father farmed it and then

00:57:01.699 --> 00:57:04.900
he passed away and then Dad had, we had a few

00:57:04.900 --> 00:57:07.360
milkers working but once Michael came home then

00:57:07.360 --> 00:57:11.239
they had the partnership and they were building

00:57:11.239 --> 00:57:14.420
the farm up and then it got to a point there

00:57:14.420 --> 00:57:17.159
was a lot changing dairy, dairy regulation and

00:57:17.159 --> 00:57:19.300
the whole lot and that was a big thing that happened

00:57:19.300 --> 00:57:22.019
in the Shell Haven for a lot of farmers. The

00:57:22.019 --> 00:57:23.840
value of their property had gone through the

00:57:23.840 --> 00:57:27.150
roof so they'd buy more land. to dairy farm was

00:57:27.150 --> 00:57:30.329
becoming expensive. Dad's now in his 60s and

00:57:30.329 --> 00:57:32.409
Michael said they either had to get bigger or

00:57:32.409 --> 00:57:34.829
get out. I suppose that was it. So there was

00:57:34.829 --> 00:57:37.449
decisions to be made. They'd gone through a few

00:57:37.449 --> 00:57:40.090
wet winters. My brother talks about 100 days

00:57:40.090 --> 00:57:43.150
of rain, milk and cows, but they needed more

00:57:43.150 --> 00:57:45.289
land. They needed to either get bigger. Anyway

00:57:45.289 --> 00:57:47.389
the decision was, yeah and I think that was in

00:57:47.389 --> 00:57:50.469
about 98 I think they stopped farming. Michael

00:57:50.469 --> 00:57:53.190
retired and he went off to work for the Department

00:57:53.190 --> 00:57:55.909
of Ag at Gloucester and Dad stayed on the farm

00:57:55.909 --> 00:57:58.469
and retired. So of course with all that come

00:57:58.469 --> 00:58:01.389
with the need to, you've got all your assets

00:58:01.389 --> 00:58:03.650
and everything tied up in land, part of that

00:58:03.650 --> 00:58:07.650
was to then consolidate titles between the two

00:58:07.650 --> 00:58:10.369
properties that they owned, Dawning and Glenmoor,

00:58:10.550 --> 00:58:14.550
they consolidated all those titles, took Dad's...

00:58:14.570 --> 00:58:18.570
a house block off and it became a residential

00:58:18.570 --> 00:58:21.030
zoning block which was allowed. It was being

00:58:21.030 --> 00:58:25.090
encouraged by planning at that stage, new planning

00:58:25.090 --> 00:58:28.750
laws and mistake planning laws and council LEP

00:58:28.750 --> 00:58:32.230
rules etc. So they consolidate a lot into one

00:58:32.230 --> 00:58:36.019
larger farm. which they were trying to do. He

00:58:36.019 --> 00:58:38.639
got that off and then on that other side, western

00:58:38.639 --> 00:58:41.639
side of the highway where Nana's house was, then

00:58:41.639 --> 00:58:44.820
they were able to take three one hectare lots

00:58:44.820 --> 00:58:47.619
off. That's when Ice and Lane was constructed,

00:58:47.920 --> 00:58:50.460
or an access road was constructed. It's a private

00:58:50.460 --> 00:58:53.719
road, it's not a public road. In about 2005,

00:58:53.900 --> 00:58:57.380
those lots were sold around 2000. So that gave

00:58:57.380 --> 00:59:00.820
dad, mum, retirement money, money to live on,

00:59:00.940 --> 00:59:03.650
now that they weren't farming. and allowed them

00:59:03.650 --> 00:59:06.369
to stay on the farm and keep the majority of

00:59:06.369 --> 00:59:08.949
the farm. Yeah, in 2005 they just went through

00:59:08.949 --> 00:59:11.590
the process. One of my sisters organised all

00:59:11.590 --> 00:59:14.369
that, went through the process with Council on

00:59:14.369 --> 00:59:17.150
the Geographic Names Board of having that lane

00:59:17.150 --> 00:59:20.610
named Ison Lane, and that's named in memory of

00:59:20.610 --> 00:59:24.909
my grandfather, ACS Ison Stan, because his house

00:59:24.909 --> 00:59:27.789
was on that side, so that was named Ison Lane.

00:59:27.849 --> 00:59:30.940
So it's probably the newest lane. for your project

00:59:30.940 --> 00:59:34.360
it's probably um and it's not a public road so

00:59:34.360 --> 00:59:36.599
that's how that came about it's just the three

00:59:36.599 --> 00:59:39.639
blocks up there the house that was on that side

00:59:39.639 --> 00:59:42.820
with it my grandparents when my parents got married

00:59:42.820 --> 00:59:45.179
at that same time and that that's where the new

00:59:45.179 --> 00:59:48.679
house was built that was built by stan's son

00:59:48.679 --> 00:59:51.820
ken ray's brother he built the majority of that

00:59:51.820 --> 00:59:54.750
house for them and they lived there You know,

00:59:54.750 --> 00:59:58.170
he lived there till he passed away and my grandmother,

00:59:58.489 --> 01:00:01.650
Margaret, yeah, she was there till about three

01:00:01.650 --> 01:00:05.150
years before. In about 92 she moved off to property

01:00:05.150 --> 01:00:09.409
and then 94 I moved into aged care. I was only

01:00:09.409 --> 01:00:12.190
there a couple of years before she passed away

01:00:12.190 --> 01:00:14.969
in her late 90s. She did well, she lived, yeah.

01:00:15.050 --> 01:00:17.949
What was her secret? Well, I think it's again,

01:00:18.050 --> 01:00:20.750
you know, they brought up pretty tough and they

01:00:20.750 --> 01:00:23.250
just had to. You know, they lived through wars

01:00:23.250 --> 01:00:24.809
and they did the whole lot. They were pretty

01:00:24.809 --> 01:00:27.809
resilient. She worked from five in the morning

01:00:27.809 --> 01:00:32.550
to late at night and they grew everything. She

01:00:32.550 --> 01:00:36.809
cooked everything, ate well all her life and

01:00:36.809 --> 01:00:40.110
she did. She remained pretty healthy all her

01:00:40.110 --> 01:00:45.190
life. That brings us to the end of the recording.

01:00:46.650 --> 01:00:51.329
I hope you enjoyed it. Now we're moving Through

01:00:51.329 --> 01:00:55.369
this Derry Lane project, aren't we? Season one,

01:00:55.590 --> 01:01:00.110
ten episodes, season two, number six episode,

01:01:00.429 --> 01:01:04.630
big tick, off, done. After Christmas, I'll bring

01:01:04.630 --> 01:01:10.110
you episode seven. Thanks for listening. Spread

01:01:10.110 --> 01:01:13.070
the word. For some reason, there aren't as many

01:01:13.070 --> 01:01:16.929
people listening this season. I want you to make

01:01:16.929 --> 01:01:20.190
an effort. Put it out there. Jasper's brush is

01:01:20.190 --> 01:01:23.690
incredibly interesting. All right, thanks for

01:01:23.690 --> 01:01:30.409
joining me. Take care and have a safe, spiritual,

01:01:31.449 --> 01:01:36.829
enjoyable, drama -free Christmas. Fingers crossed.