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Welcome to the Dairy Lane Podcast, Season 2.

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We're currently in Jasper's Brush. My primary

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sponsor for Season 2 is Ian Zanstra, a very experienced

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dairyman on the other side of the river from

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Piree. Season 2 would not be happening without

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Ian's support. I'm very grateful he stepped up.

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Thank you, Ian. This is episode four, Crozier's

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Road. I'm on the northern side of the highway

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today. My name's Therese Sweeney, and I've been

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engaging residents in the field for nearly 30

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years, and I've initiated this project, the Dairy

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Lane Project from Bomaderry to Berry, to acknowledge

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the descendants and the dairying industry. the

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lanes named after those pioneering families.

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Croziers Road was named after the Crozier family.

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There was discussion with the Host family, the

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Bates family and the Croziers about the naming

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of the lane. They decided that Croziers Farm

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and Home were easily recognised in the lane,

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as opposed to the Host family farm. positioned

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at the end, up to the escarpment of Berry Mountain.

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Up until 1924, the local farmers referred to

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it as the Lane. Now Thomas and Rebecca Crozier,

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her former name was Cowan, married in 1863. Thomas

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was born in 1827 in County Fermanagh Island.

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They emigrated on the ship. Sirocco in 1864 and

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headed to Maitland. Their first child, Mary Ann,

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was born in Morpeth, a village of Maitland, in

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1865. Before their second child, Thomas, was

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born in 1867, they moved to the Bury district.

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Thomas W was born in Kiama. They had eight children.

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Thomas Crozier purchased a land parcel on the

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northern side of the highway in 1901. He died

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in 1903 at the age of 71 at his farm in Jasper's

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Brush and he's buried in the Church of England

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section of Bury Cemetery. Thomas was a dairy

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farmer and died of cramps in the bladder. He

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left a widow and five children. His son, Robert,

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born in 1878, continued farming the property

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in Jasper's Brush. Robert married Margaret Dunn.

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They also had five children. Robert sat on council

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at the time of naming Crozier's Road, as did

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members of the host family. His daughter, Mary

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Ella, known as Ella, married Harry Bates and

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they took over the farm and ran it for many years

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before selling in 1973. A large fig tree sat

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near their homestead, the signature sign to their

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property. It may still be standing. Descendants

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from the Croziers still reside in the Shoalhaven

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region. The second family I'd like to introduce,

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the Fawkes family. Their name is connected to

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Jasper's Brush for at least six generations.

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Their property was called Mount Victory, a dairy

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property. John Senior was born in 1799 in Leicestershire,

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England. He married Mary Yeomans in 1825 in Yorkshire.

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They migrated on the ship Mary in 1830, docking

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In Tasmania, John Senior came to the Shoalhaven

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in 1836. He passed away in Milton in 1894. They

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had six children. His first three were born in

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Ireland, others in Sydney, Moreton Bay, Queensland,

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Coolangatta, New South Wales, Ulladulla and Falls

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Creek. John Junior was born in 1831. in Sydney

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and married Martha Boxall who was born in Sussex

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in 1837 and had migrated on the ship Neptune

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with her parents Thomas and Mary Boxall arriving

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in Geringong in 1839. They married in 1959 in

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Geringong and had nine children. Three passed

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at a young age. They lived in Maroo for a bit.

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and then moved to land in Strong's Row, Jasper's

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Brush, to the Mount Victory dairy farm. The Salvation

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Army reached Nowra in 1884, and the foundation

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stone of the hall was laid by W. Hannigan on

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October 15, 1885. John Foulkes paid the cost

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of the land and erection of the hall. It's quoted

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in the book Shoalhaven, published in 1975 by

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W. Bailey with a Y. Martha died of breast cancer

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in 1915 and John Jr. passed in 1923. John Jr.

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was one of four brothers. He was also one of

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the developers of the Yalwell Goldfields, his

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holding being extensive when the field was a

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payable proposition. He sold his interests there

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later. He resided at Maroo and Jaspers Brush

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for a long time and he was active in political

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affairs and he lived until age 93. Their sixth

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child, Elijah Taylor, born 1870, known as Taylor,

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moved from Condobolin to the family farm at Jaspers

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Brush in 1902 with his wife and five children.

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All five attended Jasper's Brush Primary School.

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The farm was later divided into two and their

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sons, Les and Cecil, dairied there. Les married

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Elizabeth Devitt and they had two children. Cecil

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and his wife Gwen had three children. Again,

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all attended Jasper's Brush Primary School. Les

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and his son Eric sold their farm in 1969 to Steve

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Marsh. In 1970, Cecil sold his farm and moved

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to Nowra. This brings us to the Host family.

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Johann Joseph Host was born in 1818, a Catholic

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from Urbach, Germany, who married Elizabeth Engelhardt,

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who was also born the same year, also a Catholic

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from Ostrich. They married in 1849 and migrated

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that year on the ship Parland, arriving in Sydney

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Harbour. Their first son, Jacob, was born in

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Kiama in 1850. They had six children. On board

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were 165 German immigrants connected to the wine

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industry. Johan was known as Jean in Australia

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and lived in Kiama for 12 years. He purchased

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52 acres at Broughton Mill Creek in 1862 for

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306 pounds sterling. Jean developed the property

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into a vineyard and orchards and it was highly

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regarded by the community. He sold the land in

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1872 and returned to Sydney to become the licensee

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at the Kent Hotel. In 1881, he returned to the

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Shoalhaven to visit family and drowned in the

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river. His son, Lewis Charles Host, was born

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in Kiama in 1851 and he arrived in the Shoalhaven

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at the time of his father's land purchase in

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1862. He was a farmer. and married Mary Elizabeth

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Reed in Bury in 1875. They had nine children.

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Their nine children were named George, Susan,

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Ernest, David, Alfred, Victoria, Miriam, Herbert

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and Walter. Lewis bought property at Falls Creek

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and farmed there for many years. Until recently,

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it was known as Host Farm. Lewis sold the Jasper's

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Brush farm to his son Ernest and retired to Kiama

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in 1909 but later decided to return to Berry

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where his youngest brother Charles built his

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house Rosebank in Albany Street, Berry. Lewis

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Host was an outstanding gardener and planted

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a garden at the Jasper's Brush property that

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had some fruit to pick all year round. His bananas

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were very good for this climate and his vegetable

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garden was just as plentiful and well tended.

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Lewis was also a superb horseman. They say to

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see him in the saddle when he was in his 80s

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was a picture to remember. He loved his animals

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and gardens, his home too. Lewis and his wife

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kept them all in perfect condition. The tragic

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death of his youngest son, Lieutenant Walter

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Joseph Host, who died from wounds received in

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the Battle at Somme in France in July 1916, was

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a terrible blow to him. He was so proud when

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Walter then only 14 years of age, was chosen

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to attend the coronation of King George V in

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1911 with the New South Wales cadets and again

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when he received the military medal. There is

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a stained glass window commemorating the memory

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of Lewis Charles Host and his wife Mary Elizabeth

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Reed and a memorial to Lieutenant Walter Joseph

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Host in the Church of England, St Luke's, Bury.

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The Hose family's property consisted of approximately

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500 acres at the end of Crozier's Road, Jasper's

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Brush. Built on top of the escarpment at the

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back of the property was a rock wall to stop

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boulders and rocks falling down onto the land.

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This was built through convict labour. Lewis's

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sister Mary, born 1856, married John Muller,

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who was the son of Jacob Muller. They married

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in the Catholic Church in Nowra in February 1877,

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and they continued to live on a farm leased by

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John in Koolangatta. Sixteen years later, John

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bought land at Maroo from the Berry estate. John

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built Pomona, where they lived, which is referenced

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in Season 1, Lamman's Lane, featuring Patrick

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Muller. Back to Lewis. His son, Ernest, was born

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in Broughton Vale in 1880. one of nine children,

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and he later inherited the farm, as I've previously

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mentioned at Jasper's Brush. Lewis purchased

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the two land parcels in 1896 and 1900. Ernest

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married Eliza Gall in Sydney in 1909. Ernest's

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next brother, David Charles, who was born in

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1883 at Jasper's Mount, purchased a land grant

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himself in 1911 on the northern side of the highway.

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He was 28 years of age at the time and he passed

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away in 1960. Ernest had a son named Ken who

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married Mary Ulrich and purchased the farm from

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his mother Eliza after his father passed. It

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was paid off in stages. Ernest outlived his father

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Lewis by one year. passing away in 1935 in Bury.

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I viewed photos of Ken's sisters, some are on

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horseback, they're at school at Jasper's Brush

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doing concerts, they're on bicycles, and later

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as mature women in very fashionable attire. Ken

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and Mary had two children, Colin and Jean, who

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grew up on the property called Bellevue in Crozier's

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Road. Colin today is 80 years of age and is the

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subject of this podcast episode. See, I got there.

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When I undertook an oral history with Colin,

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he was recovering from an illness. There are

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other contributors in the recording, his wife

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Lynn and his son Brian, toward the end. Before

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I play the recording, I'd like to read some experts

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from a children's book of fiction written by

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a relative. Connected to the Reid side of the

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family, remember Lewis married Elizabeth Reid.

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The author's name is Margaret Pace, P -A -I -C

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-E. Her former name was Castle. She was born

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in 1920 in Brisbane and she passed away in 2016.

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Her parents were Sidney Castle and Violet Berman.

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Castle married a Reid in the mid -1860s. Margaret

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Pace lived most of her life in Moreton Bay, Queensland.

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She came to Sydney too. She has written many

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fictional children's books. She was also an illustrator

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and a commercial artist. Now this book was in

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the archive held by Colin Host and I've read

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the book. It's a short children's book and the

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title of it is Trouble at Turkey Brush. It was

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written in 1993. And it's set in Jasper's brush.

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I've got you listening a bit today, haven't I,

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with this introduction? Just some extracts. On

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page eight. Above the saw pits at the mountain's

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base, the track became a scrambling bridle path,

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fit only for packhorses and foot travellers.

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It rose through vine scrub and tree fern to Camberwara's

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rim and Woodhill Gap. after which it plunged

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down into Kangaroo Valley on the other side.

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Edward wondered if the man lived over in the

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valley. Coral Hill Farm, where the Crofts lived,

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was at the foot of the mountain, surrounded by

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big old coral trees, which gave it its name.

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The cottage was of slabs and shingle, with a

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stone chimney and stone paving on the wide veranda.

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Had it been set higher up the slope, You could

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have glimpsed from its windows the long curve

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of Seven Mile Beach and the dunes beyond the

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village. It wasn't much of a farm now, Edward

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thought gloomily as he climbed over the stile,

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which saved having to open the gate. Only four

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cows and a calf left of their herd, and Ma had

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had to sell the riding horses to pay the landlord

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his rent. Goodness knows what father would have

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to say about that when he came home, but Ma had

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said, Well, we've got to live and no money coming

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in except the little I earn with dressmaking.

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The wheat had failed too. The patch of corn,

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which should be flowing like a shining green

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sea down the slope, was shriveled by drought,

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ears only half plumped. Page 26. Jessica saw

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the horse and trap bowling along the road. She

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was supposed to be chasing cockatoos out of the

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cornfield, but the wretched things just screeched.

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and kept coming back. She'd barely have time

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to get interested in her book, which she kept

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hidden in a hollow stump. And there they were

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again raiding the field, tearing at the ears

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with their strong beaks. Anyway, the corn was

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hardly worth saving. Well, she wasn't going to

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stay out in the paddock chasing cockies while

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Emily Hall took tea with Ma, especially since

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Ma had made fresh scones. When Jessica came into

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the house, trailing her sun bonnet, brown hair

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damp and tangled above her heart -shaped face.

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She found Emily in Ma's bedroom, standing in

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her shift and being tied into a peculiar contraption.

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So this was the newfangled crinoline. Mrs Hall

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and her mother were adjusting tapes on what looked

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like a steel ribbed cage, which was intended,

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one supposed, to keep the skirt away from the

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wearer's legs. However are you going to sit down,

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Jessica wanted to know. Ma looked up. Jessica,

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your boots are all over soil. Do put your house

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slippers on and comb your hair, child. Emily,

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can you not turn this way a little? There, now

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let's see how the gown fits. Page 37. After the

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children left for school she had to light the

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copper fire in the backyard and bring out the

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big iron pot in which she made soap. She had

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to render the animal fats which were the basis

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of her recipe and then add borax and kerosene.

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It was a hot and tedious job because she had

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to stand there in the sun and stir the mixture

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feeling as if she were a witch at her cauldron.

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When that was finished and the soap set to harden

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in its moulds she went inside to bake bread.

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She noticed there was not much flour left so

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the children would have to go to the mill and

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it would have to be seconds this time for she

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couldn't afford fine white flour any longer.

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Then there was Emily's dress to be finished off.

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She did hate to take money from her friend for

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the sewing but pride must be put in one's pocket

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along with the need. She was busy sewing when

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she heard the sound of a horse and trap turning

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into the dooryard. Surely not Eliza Hall again

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so soon. Going to the door, she was surprised

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to see the erect figure of Mr Petrie, the minister

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from Kiama, who gave twice monthly sermons to

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the villagers of Cedar Creek. He seldom made

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calls on his parishioners. She whipped off her

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apron and patted her hair, then hurried to let

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him in. He had walked round to the front. for

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it was not his way to approach the kitchen of

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a house. She showed him into the front parlour,

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blue eyes quickly checking its neatness. In spite

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of the day's sultriness, the minister wore his

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frock coat, stock and top hat, but the stock

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was limp under his bristling side whiskers. Mrs

00:19:36.380 --> 00:19:39.660
Croft offered him tea, but he declined. I have

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only a moment to stay. A few little samples for

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you. Anyway, I enjoyed the book. written for

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young people, obviously, but it was lovely to

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read something connected to the family and the

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region as a children's book. I'd like to thank

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the Derry family who have contributed so I can

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make this production, ensuring this history is

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captured. I now welcome Colin Host. I hope you

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enjoy the recording. So this is an interview

00:20:11.240 --> 00:20:15.500
with Colin Host, who grew up in Crozier's Road,

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Jasper's Brush. Colin, what year were you born

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and where were you born? I was born on the farm

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79 years ago. And did the farm have a name? Bellevue.

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And how large was the farm? 400 acres. And did

00:20:38.579 --> 00:20:44.130
you have siblings? Yeah, I had a sister. And

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her name, and how old was she? Jean, and she

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was... Younger than you? Younger than me, yeah.

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How old were you when she was born? Four. Yeah,

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that'd be right, yeah. What did you first remember

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about the farm as a child? You were operating

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a dairy on the farm? The dairy had closed down

00:21:07.910 --> 00:21:10.910
before I... Yeah, before I was born, actually,

00:21:11.069 --> 00:21:15.789
yeah. Was the dairy still standing? Yeah, yes,

00:21:15.809 --> 00:21:19.210
the dairy's still there. Was it a walk -through

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dairy? Yeah. Do you know how many cows were milked

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there? Once again, before my time, but there

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was probably a maximum of 50 in there. It was

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only a small dairy. What type of cows? Mixed

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breed. Anything that produced milk. Why was the

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dairy closed? Well, it wasn't viable, basically.

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Plus there was a lot of labour involved in dairy,

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which was a problem for us. You've got 400 acres.

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What was happening? Basically it was billy gate

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country, you know, up and down. Right up on the

00:22:02.059 --> 00:22:05.519
escarpment, was it? Under the escarpment and

00:22:05.519 --> 00:22:08.180
on the escarpment, yeah. Did you have to do any

00:22:08.180 --> 00:22:11.059
clearing yourself, or was that done? We did a

00:22:11.059 --> 00:22:14.880
bit of clearing later in life, but, yeah. Tell

00:22:14.880 --> 00:22:18.220
me about that later in life. Well, we had a section

00:22:18.220 --> 00:22:22.960
up on the top which was good. We recognised it

00:22:22.960 --> 00:22:27.900
had been good country for grazing, so we basically

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hit it with the chainsaws and cleared it. So

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you were mechanised. Yeah, yeah. What were you...

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Planning to graze? A few extra cattle, that's

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all, yeah. So they were beef cattle? Beef cattle,

00:22:41.180 --> 00:22:46.579
yeah. Type of beef cattle or colour? Yeah, we

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tried two or three different breeds of beef cattle

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and interbreed bred them and, yeah, we started

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off with Herefords but we ran into troubles there

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with ticks. Being in that sort of country, there

00:23:00.099 --> 00:23:03.880
was a tick problem so we had to get away from

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that. They had to be very... Well, we switched

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to Angus, which we found did well up in that

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country, so we stayed with them and, yeah. How

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many numbers are we talking? Well, we maintained

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50 or 60 breeders plus support stock, so we had

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120 all up as a rule. And how was that managed

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on the property, those numbers? Where did you

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put them all? We had a number of paddocks, subdivided

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into several paddocks, and depends on the terrain.

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It was fenced to the terrain to make it as efficient

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as possible. And who were you working with? My

00:23:49.849 --> 00:23:53.150
father and I, just the two of us. How old were

00:23:53.150 --> 00:23:56.450
you? And can you tell me your father's name and

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your mother's name and her former name? Father

00:24:00.009 --> 00:24:05.769
and mother, that was Kenneth and Mary. She used

00:24:05.769 --> 00:24:09.509
to be an Ulrich from Woodhill. Dad died at 86.

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He died a year after our daughter, Deborah, got

00:24:14.349 --> 00:24:18.450
married out at the farm. So that was back in...

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What year did your daughter get married? I can't

00:24:20.569 --> 00:24:22.930
remember. That's OK, we can follow that up. How

00:24:22.930 --> 00:24:25.049
old were you working with your dad at this point

00:24:25.049 --> 00:24:28.279
with the Angus? I started working... Out there

00:24:28.279 --> 00:24:32.480
on the farm when I was 14, before that even,

00:24:32.559 --> 00:24:35.759
before I... Who'd be the carrier with the cattle

00:24:35.759 --> 00:24:38.460
and how the hell did you get it down from Crozier's?

00:24:38.940 --> 00:24:42.460
We mustered the cattle at the dairy, the old

00:24:42.460 --> 00:24:46.680
dairy. We had good fencing there and the farm

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sort of come down into a... A valley or something?

00:24:50.500 --> 00:24:53.720
A valley, yeah, into that area and it was fenced

00:24:53.720 --> 00:24:57.180
that way to pocket the cattle into that area.

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How did you do that? Were you on a horse or...?

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Tractor was a rule. Sometimes we just walked

00:25:02.890 --> 00:25:07.009
along to the fences, opened the gates and called

00:25:07.009 --> 00:25:10.390
them and they'd come through. Was there any call

00:25:10.390 --> 00:25:14.690
you made to them? Did have a call, yeah. We just

00:25:14.690 --> 00:25:17.529
yelled up the gully and... What sort of tractors

00:25:17.529 --> 00:25:20.569
were you mustering in? Originally it was the

00:25:20.569 --> 00:25:24.930
old TIA Fergie. petrol, tractor, and then we

00:25:24.930 --> 00:25:27.210
got a four -wheel drive. You'd have to, wouldn't

00:25:27.210 --> 00:25:30.190
you, with that country? Yeah, to do much work

00:25:30.190 --> 00:25:32.809
on it, you do, yeah. Even then it was really

00:25:32.809 --> 00:25:36.750
dangerous, but anyway, it was a fiat, actually.

00:25:37.089 --> 00:25:40.089
And who supplied you with that? Ray Watson at

00:25:40.089 --> 00:25:46.890
Bombardier. He's related to us, too. How? Ray

00:25:46.890 --> 00:25:51.700
directly isn't, but his wife is. So just talking

00:25:51.700 --> 00:25:55.059
about your father, Ken, his siblings, his brother,

00:25:55.079 --> 00:25:57.640
and were they around, his brothers and sisters?

00:25:58.039 --> 00:26:01.880
No, no. Do you recall their names? Vera Altizer,

00:26:02.039 --> 00:26:07.059
Merle, yeah. I think she was the oldest. They

00:26:07.059 --> 00:26:09.799
never lived out there in my time. Did they come

00:26:09.799 --> 00:26:13.400
and visit you? Yeah, we had family get -togethers

00:26:13.400 --> 00:26:16.200
there pretty regularly. And what did you do?

00:26:16.519 --> 00:26:20.779
Just had a... Get together at Sunday's room and

00:26:20.779 --> 00:26:24.319
had a feed and, yeah. And your mum would cook?

00:26:24.660 --> 00:26:28.119
Mum would do the cooking and, yeah. Did Mary

00:26:28.119 --> 00:26:33.519
brew anything at Crozier's Lane? There was a

00:26:33.519 --> 00:26:36.460
sly grog thing up in Woodhill, wasn't there,

00:26:36.519 --> 00:26:39.220
with the old ricks? Yeah. Anyways, I loved that

00:26:39.220 --> 00:26:43.799
story. It was too far to come to town to drink,

00:26:43.900 --> 00:26:46.559
wasn't it? It was. You tell them who used to

00:26:46.559 --> 00:26:50.509
go there. That they told you about? The bush

00:26:50.509 --> 00:26:53.829
ranger, Ned Kelly. Tell me more. He used to come

00:26:53.829 --> 00:26:58.529
over the mountain from Robertson once a month

00:26:58.529 --> 00:27:04.630
and pick up a supply of sly grog, which they

00:27:04.630 --> 00:27:09.210
brewed in the gullies up there and also out on

00:27:09.210 --> 00:27:11.950
the farm. Do you know how it was made, how they

00:27:11.950 --> 00:27:19.809
brewed it? I believe it was from waste. pumpkin

00:27:19.809 --> 00:27:22.890
skins and that sort of thing that they brewed

00:27:22.890 --> 00:27:26.369
up and they did it in the deep gullies around

00:27:26.369 --> 00:27:31.950
here so that the smell of it didn't cause any

00:27:31.950 --> 00:27:38.589
interruption or put anyone onto their tail. Unwanted

00:27:38.589 --> 00:27:41.329
attention. Unwanted attention, yeah. Did it have

00:27:41.329 --> 00:27:44.049
a bit of a smell to it, do you know? I don't

00:27:44.049 --> 00:27:46.230
know, but it must have by the sound of it, yeah.

00:27:46.759 --> 00:27:50.440
He was, according to me, a family up there. He

00:27:50.440 --> 00:27:53.920
was a true gentleman. He'd come in on a Sunday,

00:27:54.119 --> 00:27:58.180
had lunch with the families up there and on his

00:27:58.180 --> 00:28:02.099
way back he picked up his supply of grog. Thinking

00:28:02.099 --> 00:28:04.819
of horses, did you ride a horse? I did once or

00:28:04.819 --> 00:28:08.880
twice but I got thrown off once and I didn't

00:28:08.880 --> 00:28:13.079
worry about pursuing it after that. So you mustered

00:28:13.079 --> 00:28:16.289
the cattle. Then what happened? How did you take

00:28:16.289 --> 00:28:19.009
it to the sale yards? Well, we had a carrier

00:28:19.009 --> 00:28:24.269
that come in when we required a loadout. And

00:28:24.269 --> 00:28:27.069
who was that person, do you know? Yeah, it was

00:28:27.069 --> 00:28:32.190
Percy Chittick or his son. In recent times, it

00:28:32.190 --> 00:28:36.529
was Steve Chittick, Cattle Trucks. He had it.

00:28:36.940 --> 00:28:40.900
Cattle from Coihammer actually had a trucking

00:28:40.900 --> 00:28:44.500
business. His father was Percy, had a property

00:28:44.500 --> 00:28:48.799
up here in Mossvale or Robertson, somewhere up

00:28:48.799 --> 00:28:53.279
there. Do you know where the beef went? Well,

00:28:53.279 --> 00:28:59.099
it went from here straight to Mossvale. It was

00:28:59.099 --> 00:29:03.700
sold there. How long were you breeding? Yeah,

00:29:03.839 --> 00:29:07.470
we were breeding. How long did... Did that last?

00:29:07.869 --> 00:29:12.309
It was through the 50s, 60s and right through

00:29:12.309 --> 00:29:16.849
till today actually because there's still cattle

00:29:16.849 --> 00:29:19.390
on the property out there which we haven't got

00:29:19.390 --> 00:29:22.390
the property no more. We sold it recently. How

00:29:22.390 --> 00:29:24.410
were the cattle numbers over those years? Were

00:29:24.410 --> 00:29:27.509
they consistent or did it grow? Fairly consistent.

00:29:27.710 --> 00:29:32.759
We maintained a... Base herd of about 50 breeders

00:29:32.759 --> 00:29:38.500
and the rest was support stock, which we bred

00:29:38.500 --> 00:29:41.900
our own support stock and kept them going. Did

00:29:41.900 --> 00:29:44.460
you have a name for the breed, for your stud?

00:29:44.940 --> 00:29:49.420
No, it wasn't a stud. No. No stud name, because

00:29:49.420 --> 00:29:51.519
some of them do. Yeah, some of them do, that's

00:29:51.519 --> 00:29:55.099
right. So is it traditional that... You bought

00:29:55.099 --> 00:29:57.000
the property from your father who bought the

00:29:57.000 --> 00:29:59.380
property from his father? Is that how it worked?

00:29:59.680 --> 00:30:02.420
No, it didn't. When did you take over the property?

00:30:02.740 --> 00:30:06.500
Well, I didn't actually take over. Inherited

00:30:06.500 --> 00:30:10.000
the property? Yeah, inherited. How old were you

00:30:10.000 --> 00:30:15.500
then? It was actually our son who went on out

00:30:15.500 --> 00:30:19.680
and learnt to do the farming with his grandfather

00:30:19.680 --> 00:30:25.279
and because Colin had had a... bad accident and

00:30:25.279 --> 00:30:30.279
couldn't work anymore when he was younger. Our

00:30:30.279 --> 00:30:33.920
eldest son went on out and his grandfather left

00:30:33.920 --> 00:30:37.220
it to him and he's the one that's just sold it.

00:30:37.380 --> 00:30:39.920
So let's talk about that accident if you're up

00:30:39.920 --> 00:30:42.000
for it. How old were you and what happened to

00:30:42.000 --> 00:30:45.880
you? I didn't work on the farm permanently when

00:30:45.880 --> 00:30:49.859
I was much of the time because there was no money

00:30:49.859 --> 00:30:52.809
in the place so my dad kept an eye on the cattle

00:30:52.809 --> 00:30:56.630
and I went out and did odd jobs. I worked for

00:30:56.630 --> 00:31:00.710
Horlicks down here or Manildra as they are now

00:31:00.710 --> 00:31:04.609
for a while and then I got a job with the RTA

00:31:04.609 --> 00:31:08.789
on the roads. Did a few other very small odd

00:31:08.789 --> 00:31:11.349
jobs around just to bring the money in while

00:31:11.349 --> 00:31:14.650
we were bringing up the family. So Horlicks,

00:31:14.670 --> 00:31:18.170
that became Manildra. Yeah. What were you doing

00:31:18.170 --> 00:31:22.660
there? I was a mashman and they were brewing

00:31:22.660 --> 00:31:28.240
milo products there for 12 or 18 months or so.

00:31:28.539 --> 00:31:31.299
What were you actually doing? Early morning shift

00:31:31.299 --> 00:31:35.019
down there and was cooking the malt or whatever

00:31:35.019 --> 00:31:38.920
it was for the big vats down there. Ladles? Yep,

00:31:39.000 --> 00:31:41.779
yep. And who were you working with there at the

00:31:41.779 --> 00:31:46.339
time? Do you remember any names? Who was there

00:31:46.339 --> 00:31:52.589
when I was there? Gordon Thames, who lost his

00:31:52.589 --> 00:31:57.250
life out there with a tree accident. His wife

00:31:57.250 --> 00:32:01.910
went fighting the council and all over trees

00:32:01.910 --> 00:32:07.170
and whatnot, the rules and regulations. He did

00:32:07.170 --> 00:32:10.150
everything right and it was good luck too, really

00:32:10.150 --> 00:32:13.069
good luck. So where did you have your accident?

00:32:13.769 --> 00:32:16.430
You were at RTA for a bit on the roads? I worked

00:32:16.430 --> 00:32:19.230
with RTA on the roads, yeah. What were you doing

00:32:19.230 --> 00:32:26.329
there? Driving, compacting machinery. Compacting

00:32:26.329 --> 00:32:30.650
on the roads? Yeah. Was that hand operated or...?

00:32:30.650 --> 00:32:34.670
Big roller, yeah. Was it hard work? It wasn't

00:32:34.670 --> 00:32:38.529
real easy. It was comparatively easy work, but

00:32:38.529 --> 00:32:41.750
looking back on it, it did a lot of damage to

00:32:41.750 --> 00:32:45.750
me back. On the machinery, yeah. So the machinery,

00:32:45.829 --> 00:32:48.130
you mean the jarring of the compacting? Yeah,

00:32:48.250 --> 00:32:51.029
yeah. Through your body? Through my body, yeah.

00:32:51.230 --> 00:32:54.970
With your spine? Mm -hmm, that's right. Is that

00:32:54.970 --> 00:32:57.130
what's resulted in, was that the accident or

00:32:57.130 --> 00:33:01.910
is there more? That's resulted in the problems

00:33:01.910 --> 00:33:05.049
I've got as a result of it, yeah. So you were

00:33:05.049 --> 00:33:07.450
working for the government. That was when the

00:33:07.450 --> 00:33:10.250
government employed people, isn't it, to do the

00:33:10.250 --> 00:33:15.440
public works? Yep. They also got contractors

00:33:15.440 --> 00:33:19.180
in with their machinery. Oh, they were doing

00:33:19.180 --> 00:33:24.279
that then? Yes. And he was driving a machine

00:33:24.279 --> 00:33:28.740
and something on the machine broke. So they told

00:33:28.740 --> 00:33:31.640
him to cross his legs and hold this particular

00:33:31.640 --> 00:33:35.940
thing down. He did. I came home from shopping

00:33:35.940 --> 00:33:39.950
in Nowra. And I find him out in the back room

00:33:39.950 --> 00:33:42.730
laying down on the night and day and he couldn't

00:33:42.730 --> 00:33:45.529
move. So how long ago was this? How old was he?

00:33:45.650 --> 00:33:48.490
He would have been in his 30s. The kids were

00:33:48.490 --> 00:33:52.609
only real little. About 85. Because they'd brought

00:33:52.609 --> 00:33:56.890
in good occupational health legislation around

00:33:56.890 --> 00:34:01.369
that time. Yeah. In 83 and 87, I remember, because

00:34:01.369 --> 00:34:03.930
I had to work with that legislation. What happened?

00:34:04.150 --> 00:34:07.890
Got a very small payout. After waiting about

00:34:07.890 --> 00:34:11.650
10 years, pulling. So this has been the problem?

00:34:11.909 --> 00:34:16.150
Yeah. 50 years of pain? Pain, yeah. How have

00:34:16.150 --> 00:34:19.210
you managed the pain? Medication? Yeah, medication

00:34:19.210 --> 00:34:23.869
and... Exercise? Exercise, yeah. Who was liable?

00:34:23.929 --> 00:34:27.590
No one helped you sort that out? No. I'm sorry

00:34:27.590 --> 00:34:32.269
to hear that. That's tough, Colin. In those days...

00:34:33.450 --> 00:34:36.489
the solicitors weren't allowed to advertise.

00:34:37.170 --> 00:34:41.449
So all we could do was to ask the union boss,

00:34:41.630 --> 00:34:44.349
what do we do now? And he just said, you go and

00:34:44.349 --> 00:34:47.050
see this solicitor. I was working for Cotire,

00:34:47.289 --> 00:34:52.090
which were... Private. Private. And they hired

00:34:52.090 --> 00:34:56.949
to the RTA. Yeah, so they were a contractor.

00:34:57.389 --> 00:35:00.250
Yep. And they didn't do the right thing by you.

00:35:00.530 --> 00:35:04.240
Probably my own fault for not knowing. What?

00:35:04.240 --> 00:35:07.260
You can't know everything. No. That's not your

00:35:07.260 --> 00:35:10.679
role. No, I just had to wear it. So where did

00:35:10.679 --> 00:35:13.099
that leave you after that? Were you medically

00:35:13.099 --> 00:35:18.739
retired or you were just left? Just left, yeah.

00:35:19.099 --> 00:35:23.739
I still battled on and did what I could, but

00:35:23.739 --> 00:35:26.480
yeah. When did you meet your wife? What's your

00:35:26.480 --> 00:35:30.980
wife's full name? Your name, yeah, Lynn Ann Kerr.

00:35:32.230 --> 00:35:35.150
Those days, weren't you? Yes, I was Kerr in those

00:35:35.150 --> 00:35:38.489
days. My husband had passed away. I was a Coombs.

00:35:38.630 --> 00:35:42.590
A Coombs? How do you spell that? C -O -O -M -B

00:35:42.590 --> 00:35:46.909
-S. Coombs? Yeah, Coombs. And you married a Kerr

00:35:46.909 --> 00:35:48.750
who passed? The same as what used to be on the

00:35:48.750 --> 00:35:53.389
banknotes. Okay, Coombs. Is that relation? Very

00:35:53.389 --> 00:35:56.449
distant. You grew up in Homebush? Yes, and I

00:35:56.449 --> 00:35:59.750
attended the school at Flemington. It was the

00:35:59.750 --> 00:36:02.849
home science school. How did you meet? We met

00:36:02.849 --> 00:36:09.929
at the Young Liberals' do in Nara. They had a

00:36:09.929 --> 00:36:14.030
ball. Nara School of Arts. Yeah. I'd taken my

00:36:14.030 --> 00:36:16.929
younger brother with me. He's handicapped. We

00:36:16.929 --> 00:36:19.469
were dancing together on the floor, the pair

00:36:19.469 --> 00:36:22.070
of us. He was nearly knocking people over with

00:36:22.070 --> 00:36:26.309
his crutches. He was enjoying himself and so

00:36:26.309 --> 00:36:30.130
was I. Colin came on over and that was virtually

00:36:30.130 --> 00:36:35.250
it. I had the shop at Currarong. It was a general

00:36:35.250 --> 00:36:41.690
store and a post office with a 24 -hour switchboard.

00:36:42.409 --> 00:36:45.710
Everything you could think of and a petrol station.

00:36:46.269 --> 00:36:49.369
And my younger brother was put in charge of that.

00:36:49.719 --> 00:36:53.039
filling the cars and checking the oil. I worked

00:36:53.039 --> 00:36:55.880
the switchboard and also the shop. How long were

00:36:55.880 --> 00:37:01.119
you doing that? I was 26 when I first started

00:37:01.119 --> 00:37:04.340
down the shop, bought it in conjunction with

00:37:04.340 --> 00:37:08.539
my parents and my grandma. We just called it

00:37:08.539 --> 00:37:11.500
Coombs, Kerr and Lovett, Currarong Post Office

00:37:11.500 --> 00:37:14.980
Store in the 60s. What was Currarong like in

00:37:14.980 --> 00:37:21.320
the 60s? It was a mad place. For surfers, used

00:37:21.320 --> 00:37:25.179
to go and surf and then they'd come on in, Grandma,

00:37:25.239 --> 00:37:28.780
I love it! Give me a milkshake with an egg in

00:37:28.780 --> 00:37:32.059
it. They all called her Grandma. And what was

00:37:32.059 --> 00:37:36.199
the population? The regular population for living

00:37:36.199 --> 00:37:42.239
in Currarong was about 300 at that stage. Now

00:37:42.239 --> 00:37:45.420
it's even less. Did you ever see cow, dairy cows

00:37:45.420 --> 00:37:48.289
down there? No, but there was plenty of wild

00:37:48.289 --> 00:37:52.070
horses. Get them coming through and very few

00:37:52.070 --> 00:37:56.650
of the houses had fencing right round. So lots

00:37:56.650 --> 00:37:59.869
of the houses had cracked walls where the horses

00:37:59.869 --> 00:38:04.190
had bumped into as they went through. So wild

00:38:04.190 --> 00:38:07.469
Brumbies? Yeah. Where was your shop located?

00:38:08.030 --> 00:38:11.909
Right on the beachfront at Currarong. We had

00:38:11.909 --> 00:38:14.949
to have one section wall where we opened it up

00:38:14.949 --> 00:38:17.530
and closed it like the old -fashioned houses

00:38:17.530 --> 00:38:20.690
had, which was the post office window and people

00:38:20.690 --> 00:38:24.570
used to come there and we had one telephone outside

00:38:24.570 --> 00:38:28.210
that they could ring up if they were not local.

00:38:28.349 --> 00:38:31.389
All the locals had their own phone. When you

00:38:31.389 --> 00:38:34.369
got a phone call coming in, you'd answer it and

00:38:34.369 --> 00:38:39.070
they'd say, can I have Mrs So -and -so? OK, one

00:38:39.070 --> 00:38:42.519
minute, she's number seven. My mother told me

00:38:42.519 --> 00:38:46.199
that number seven has gone to town today. Would

00:38:46.199 --> 00:38:49.840
you plug them in? Yes, we had to plug them in

00:38:49.840 --> 00:38:53.420
and we couldn't put it onto a night switch or

00:38:53.420 --> 00:38:56.159
anything. Had to answer it if anybody rung during

00:38:56.159 --> 00:38:58.840
the night. What was the community like back then

00:38:58.840 --> 00:39:02.239
in Currarong? They were all very friendly and

00:39:02.239 --> 00:39:06.320
with it. There was one lady, she was a dressmaker,

00:39:06.460 --> 00:39:11.199
and another lady, she made wedding cakes. all

00:39:11.199 --> 00:39:14.199
that sort of thing. And there was a beautiful

00:39:14.199 --> 00:39:18.800
shell house where you paid to go on in one room

00:39:18.800 --> 00:39:21.300
and they had all the different shells that you

00:39:21.300 --> 00:39:24.280
could imagine in that room. It was absolutely

00:39:24.280 --> 00:39:28.599
gorgeous. And fresh fish. Yes. The fishermen

00:39:28.599 --> 00:39:32.579
went on out in their boats and... Trawlers. Yes.

00:39:32.880 --> 00:39:36.820
Few spear fishermen. Yes. So where was the co

00:39:36.820 --> 00:39:40.179
-op for the fish? That was at the bridge at Nowra.

00:39:40.590 --> 00:39:43.030
On the far side. You know, there was like a fish

00:39:43.030 --> 00:39:46.369
place there going towards Nowra? Yes, on this

00:39:46.369 --> 00:39:49.210
side. On the left -hand side. Yeah. That was

00:39:49.210 --> 00:39:52.929
fully the fish co -op. The fishermen used to

00:39:52.929 --> 00:39:56.710
have big plastic boxes like... Like big tubs.

00:39:56.969 --> 00:40:00.929
Yes, really big tubs. Most of the fishermen had

00:40:00.929 --> 00:40:04.730
some sort of ice -making set up. They packed

00:40:04.730 --> 00:40:08.090
the fish in the ice. So was there a pub and a

00:40:08.090 --> 00:40:12.010
church at Currarong? No. No, not like here. There

00:40:12.010 --> 00:40:15.289
was a bowling club, but it had only just been

00:40:15.289 --> 00:40:19.510
started up. It hadn't been even built. My mum

00:40:19.510 --> 00:40:23.630
and my sister became committee members on the

00:40:23.630 --> 00:40:26.570
committee. Mum was the brains in our family and

00:40:26.570 --> 00:40:29.929
had the mathematics. She did all of the official

00:40:29.929 --> 00:40:32.730
books and stuff. Now, I'm just going to get back

00:40:32.730 --> 00:40:35.250
to Colin for a minute. Yep. So we're still in

00:40:35.250 --> 00:40:38.010
this love story. So you were travelling to...

00:40:38.659 --> 00:40:41.780
Currarong, to visit your girlfriend. Yeah. Was

00:40:41.780 --> 00:40:44.900
it love at first sight or...? Basically. Oh,

00:40:44.920 --> 00:40:48.699
yeah. Yeah? Yeah. How lovely. And then we used

00:40:48.699 --> 00:40:53.019
to... I used to drive over, go to the local dancers

00:40:53.019 --> 00:40:56.059
that... At Jasper's Brush? Yeah, here at School

00:40:56.059 --> 00:40:59.340
of Arts. School of Arts here in Bury. Alan Ford

00:40:59.340 --> 00:41:02.800
and his band used to... Come down from up on

00:41:02.800 --> 00:41:06.619
the table and we had a big dance up here once

00:41:06.619 --> 00:41:09.780
a month. Mm -hm. And then they used to torment

00:41:09.780 --> 00:41:14.619
him. He was on making sure people behaved themselves.

00:41:15.179 --> 00:41:19.019
Your security. I was, yeah. You were the doorman.

00:41:19.179 --> 00:41:22.119
Doorman, yeah. With all your fitness. Is this

00:41:22.119 --> 00:41:25.659
before your injuries? Yes, well before his injuries.

00:41:26.380 --> 00:41:28.980
They'd all play up a bit, would they? A little

00:41:28.980 --> 00:41:32.179
bit, but they weren't too bad. Back in those

00:41:32.179 --> 00:41:35.139
days, we didn't have much. As soon as I walked

00:41:35.139 --> 00:41:37.380
in the door, they'd switch it round and play

00:41:37.380 --> 00:41:42.840
beautiful brown eyes. And he used to go, brilliant

00:41:42.840 --> 00:41:48.500
red. So this is the 60s, is it? Yes, the 60s,

00:41:48.500 --> 00:41:52.119
yeah. Your father and Mary, they bought the farm

00:41:52.119 --> 00:41:55.579
from Ernest. Yeah, that's right. Do you know

00:41:55.579 --> 00:41:58.139
what they paid for it back then? I wouldn't have

00:41:58.139 --> 00:42:00.039
a clue. You don't have to tell me, but it's interesting

00:42:00.039 --> 00:42:04.000
to follow how things change. Yeah. It wasn't

00:42:04.000 --> 00:42:07.239
actually from Ernest, was it? Your grandfather

00:42:07.239 --> 00:42:11.420
took a heart attack and died. Yeah, he died.

00:42:11.780 --> 00:42:18.699
And then your dad paid your grandma the money

00:42:18.699 --> 00:42:23.139
to gradually pay off the farm when he took it

00:42:23.139 --> 00:42:27.119
over. He took it over when he was 15. Your dad.

00:42:27.340 --> 00:42:29.960
Yeah. So can we talk about who his parents were?

00:42:30.440 --> 00:42:33.360
Ernest was Lawrence's son? Yeah. Was he your

00:42:33.360 --> 00:42:37.940
father's father? Would have been, yeah. My father's

00:42:37.940 --> 00:42:41.079
father. He was the one that died. Ernest died?

00:42:41.280 --> 00:42:43.900
Yeah. He was only 50. So do you know what he

00:42:43.900 --> 00:42:47.519
died of? A heart attack, I think, yeah. Haven't

00:42:47.519 --> 00:42:52.860
got a good history for hearts. What about his

00:42:52.860 --> 00:42:55.360
wife? Do you know who he married or did he marry?

00:42:55.559 --> 00:42:58.639
He must have. Yes, he married. You would have

00:42:58.639 --> 00:43:01.460
just known her as Grandma. She came and visited.

00:43:01.739 --> 00:43:04.579
That's right, yeah. For long periods of time

00:43:04.579 --> 00:43:07.119
around the family. So tell me what some of your

00:43:07.119 --> 00:43:09.539
memories of your grandmother. Do you remember?

00:43:10.099 --> 00:43:12.500
I don't remember very much of her, to be honest

00:43:12.500 --> 00:43:17.000
with you. She was staying in the centre room

00:43:17.000 --> 00:43:21.260
out there because the house out there was a big

00:43:21.260 --> 00:43:26.340
six -bedroom. Do you know who built the house?

00:43:26.500 --> 00:43:29.420
Was it family? Yeah, it was family. One of my

00:43:29.420 --> 00:43:32.159
uncles built the house. Do you know his name?

00:43:33.280 --> 00:43:37.900
No. Self -taught builder, I'd say. Like everybody

00:43:37.900 --> 00:43:41.820
in those days. Did you always have electricity

00:43:41.820 --> 00:43:45.679
on as a child? Do you remember? Yes, we always

00:43:45.679 --> 00:43:50.260
had originally set up our own electricity. When

00:43:50.260 --> 00:43:54.139
they were dairying out there, they were generating

00:43:54.139 --> 00:43:58.119
their own power. They had a big battery, 32 -volt

00:43:58.119 --> 00:44:02.239
battery system set up to supply the house and

00:44:02.239 --> 00:44:05.719
keep the milking machines and everything going.

00:44:05.980 --> 00:44:09.039
So that was your grandfather? Grandfather and

00:44:09.039 --> 00:44:13.599
probably my father too. What about water? Water,

00:44:13.659 --> 00:44:18.019
I don't know who actually set it up in the first

00:44:18.019 --> 00:44:22.860
place. worked out that because we were on a certain

00:44:22.860 --> 00:44:27.360
level they could gravity feed water from the

00:44:27.360 --> 00:44:30.719
creek flying fox creek yeah flying fox i'm sorry

00:44:30.719 --> 00:44:33.500
which is uh the creek that goes down up there

00:44:33.500 --> 00:44:36.840
yeah and i asked why it was called flying fox

00:44:36.840 --> 00:44:40.000
creek apparently there's a big flock of flying

00:44:40.000 --> 00:44:44.800
foxes used to be there before our time in our

00:44:44.800 --> 00:44:48.130
time they got probably shot yeah So that was

00:44:48.130 --> 00:44:51.949
their watering hole somehow? It was, yeah. They

00:44:51.949 --> 00:44:54.190
were there because of the fact that there was

00:44:54.190 --> 00:44:58.550
regular, a permanent water supply there, yeah.

00:44:58.789 --> 00:45:02.969
So you gravity fed from? The creek. Creek. Down

00:45:02.969 --> 00:45:06.309
to the house. And what about the dairy? Dairy,

00:45:06.409 --> 00:45:09.230
yeah, it was connected to the dairy as well.

00:45:09.510 --> 00:45:12.570
Was that all the time? Yeah, yeah, that was permanent

00:45:12.570 --> 00:45:15.320
water supply. Well, it's still there now, to

00:45:15.320 --> 00:45:17.920
be honest with you. Just added a water tank and

00:45:17.920 --> 00:45:22.320
that's all. That was the clincher for the sale.

00:45:22.719 --> 00:45:26.119
Yeah. Let's talk about where you went to school

00:45:26.119 --> 00:45:30.179
and who were some of your classmates. You went

00:45:30.179 --> 00:45:33.940
to Jasper's Brush? Went to Jasper's Brush initially,

00:45:34.340 --> 00:45:36.699
yeah. Who was your teacher there? Do you remember?

00:45:38.760 --> 00:45:44.260
Bob Williams was a one -teacher school. and there

00:45:44.260 --> 00:45:48.000
was 20 kids going there most of the time. How

00:45:48.000 --> 00:45:51.059
did you get to school? We rode a pushbike down

00:45:51.059 --> 00:45:55.119
to the road and got the bus along to the school.

00:45:55.380 --> 00:45:58.760
Narrow buses used to travel up and down. We got

00:45:58.760 --> 00:46:01.280
hopped on that. Who were some of the people there

00:46:01.280 --> 00:46:04.199
that you went to school with? Well, it was the

00:46:04.199 --> 00:46:08.579
ones from Croziers Road. Dick Bates, Dick and

00:46:08.579 --> 00:46:12.199
Ellie Bates. Tell me about the Croziers. I know

00:46:12.199 --> 00:46:14.000
there's a bit of history on them. I've got some

00:46:14.000 --> 00:46:19.780
of that. They lived in Bates' house before Bates

00:46:19.780 --> 00:46:23.300
came in. I don't know where they came in from,

00:46:23.360 --> 00:46:26.800
but they did. So you have always held that 400

00:46:26.800 --> 00:46:30.900
acres? Yeah, yeah, it was an original allotment.

00:46:31.139 --> 00:46:35.480
It was originally a lot larger. One of his grandparents

00:46:35.480 --> 00:46:40.340
sold off the top section. Dad sold it off a little

00:46:40.340 --> 00:46:44.360
bit. A little bit. How much? 100 acres. So it

00:46:44.360 --> 00:46:47.119
was 500 acres. Would have been 500, yeah. When

00:46:47.119 --> 00:46:50.500
they had the original farm and were dairying,

00:46:50.739 --> 00:46:55.679
the dry cows went up to the top paddocks. And

00:46:55.679 --> 00:46:58.800
your father, on occasions, even though he went

00:46:58.800 --> 00:47:02.980
to Jasper's Brush School, he also went up on

00:47:02.980 --> 00:47:07.460
the mountain. Bellawonga. Yeah, Bellawonga. There

00:47:07.460 --> 00:47:11.230
was a school up there. So he most of the time

00:47:11.230 --> 00:47:14.309
went to Jasper's Brush, but on occasions they

00:47:14.309 --> 00:47:17.269
went through the hill. There was apparently some

00:47:17.269 --> 00:47:20.110
sort of track and they went on up there as well.

00:47:20.329 --> 00:47:23.389
Right, on a horseback. So it could have been

00:47:23.389 --> 00:47:26.650
an old butter trail or something. Yes. Could

00:47:26.650 --> 00:47:30.750
have been, yeah. Because Angus Miller from here

00:47:30.750 --> 00:47:35.550
in Bury, he used to sometimes go to the farm.

00:47:36.010 --> 00:47:38.849
Before Dad was married, Grandad, they'd both

00:47:38.849 --> 00:47:43.409
go up that way and down into the valley for the

00:47:43.409 --> 00:47:47.789
dances, Gus and Ken. Thinking about Jasper's

00:47:47.789 --> 00:47:51.670
Brush Cooperative and the railway station, did

00:47:51.670 --> 00:47:53.710
you ever go to the railway station yourself?

00:47:54.190 --> 00:47:59.710
No. Why not? Too far away for me to be. His auntie,

00:47:59.710 --> 00:48:04.530
she used to have to go to high school in Nowra.

00:48:04.969 --> 00:48:08.250
I don't know which one it is. OK. She used to

00:48:08.250 --> 00:48:11.269
travel down to Jasper's Brush Railway Station

00:48:11.269 --> 00:48:14.409
and they had to flag it down if they wanted to

00:48:14.409 --> 00:48:18.230
catch the train there and then she'd travel into

00:48:18.230 --> 00:48:22.309
Nowra. That'd be Aunty Elva, which is... The

00:48:22.309 --> 00:48:24.710
eldest one. She became a nurse. So let's talk

00:48:24.710 --> 00:48:28.650
about your son inheriting the property. What

00:48:28.650 --> 00:48:33.090
year was that? You accepted that? We got... professional

00:48:33.090 --> 00:48:36.389
advice and they because of my back injury they

00:48:36.389 --> 00:48:41.769
didn't want i was advised not to take full possession

00:48:41.769 --> 00:48:44.510
of the place to pass it on straight through to

00:48:44.510 --> 00:48:49.090
my son which meant there was no inheritance tax

00:48:49.090 --> 00:48:51.530
or anything like that or that's the way it went

00:48:51.530 --> 00:48:55.130
so tell me your children how many and their names

00:48:55.130 --> 00:48:58.130
in their year of birth and four children the

00:48:58.760 --> 00:49:02.039
Eldest, he's the one that took over the farm.

00:49:02.280 --> 00:49:06.039
So his name is Robert? Yes, Robert Colin Host.

00:49:06.460 --> 00:49:10.820
Then after that we had Brian. We were just waiting

00:49:10.820 --> 00:49:16.260
to adopt a child and then I got pregnant. So

00:49:16.260 --> 00:49:19.139
along came Brian, seven years after his brother.

00:49:19.380 --> 00:49:22.780
He's Brian Kenneth. And then three years after

00:49:22.780 --> 00:49:26.449
that I had Deborah, our only daughter. She got

00:49:26.449 --> 00:49:30.750
my middle name. She's Deborah Ann. And then we

00:49:30.750 --> 00:49:36.329
had a surprise baby when I turned 40. So I had

00:49:36.329 --> 00:49:40.769
Stephen. So Robert's never been married. Brian's

00:49:40.769 --> 00:49:44.110
married. He has two girls. Stephen's married

00:49:44.110 --> 00:49:47.750
and he has three girls. Deborah's married and

00:49:47.750 --> 00:49:52.010
she got two of each. So there's a few grandkids?

00:49:52.329 --> 00:49:56.139
Yes, nine. You worked a bit with Robert on the

00:49:56.139 --> 00:49:59.380
farm? Yeah, yeah, we worked. Side by side at

00:49:59.380 --> 00:50:01.960
times? Side by side. Yeah, got along all right.

00:50:02.059 --> 00:50:06.579
Yeah. Did you go to Sunday school? No, I didn't

00:50:06.579 --> 00:50:09.639
go to Sunday school. Were you raised with a religious

00:50:09.639 --> 00:50:14.760
focus or...? Not really, no. I wasn't, no. What

00:50:14.760 --> 00:50:16.940
about your family, Lynne? Were you raised with

00:50:16.940 --> 00:50:22.199
a focus? Yes, I was raised with a Church of England

00:50:22.199 --> 00:50:26.280
focus. I used to look after the minister's kids

00:50:26.280 --> 00:50:31.059
when I was a teenager and then after that we

00:50:31.059 --> 00:50:34.800
lived with my nana as well. She used to regularly

00:50:34.800 --> 00:50:39.440
talk to us about Christian beliefs, etc. Then

00:50:39.440 --> 00:50:43.380
we had a partial church round the corner that's

00:50:43.380 --> 00:50:47.570
singing in the choir there. When we came down

00:50:47.570 --> 00:50:51.070
here, we never ever worried about church. And

00:50:51.070 --> 00:50:54.789
then they started a little church at Currarong,

00:50:54.929 --> 00:50:59.010
which was open to one week the Anglicans, another

00:50:59.010 --> 00:51:03.050
week the Catholics, another week, etc. And so

00:51:03.050 --> 00:51:07.010
we used to go once or twice. So you moved to

00:51:07.010 --> 00:51:09.869
the farm. How was that move for you? No, we didn't

00:51:09.869 --> 00:51:13.269
move into the farm. We had the shop for about

00:51:13.269 --> 00:51:17.309
seven years. Five. And you're helping Colin?

00:51:17.489 --> 00:51:21.969
And Colin was helping at that stage and going

00:51:21.969 --> 00:51:26.230
to the farm. So he was spending two days at the

00:51:26.230 --> 00:51:30.409
shop and five days at the farm before we were

00:51:30.409 --> 00:51:34.420
married. And then... After we were married, no,

00:51:34.559 --> 00:51:37.519
it still was the two and the five. And then we

00:51:37.519 --> 00:51:39.780
bought this little house here. That we're in

00:51:39.780 --> 00:51:43.840
today? Yes. Yeah, okay. When Robert was, he was

00:51:43.840 --> 00:51:46.940
three months old when we bought it. He was two

00:51:46.940 --> 00:51:50.980
when we were fully here after we'd sold the shop.

00:51:51.320 --> 00:51:54.840
So you live next door to this RSL. Has that been

00:51:54.840 --> 00:51:57.940
active? It doesn't seem very active. No, it's

00:51:57.940 --> 00:52:02.559
a return serviceman's. They have... One meeting

00:52:02.559 --> 00:52:06.400
a month, and they used to let it out. They found

00:52:06.400 --> 00:52:10.679
that there was too much work replacing what had

00:52:10.679 --> 00:52:15.159
been damaged to keep letting it out for parties

00:52:15.159 --> 00:52:18.679
and stuff like that. It became then very quiet,

00:52:18.739 --> 00:52:22.260
just the occasional meetings, and then they started

00:52:22.260 --> 00:52:27.119
once a month. The women's section of the RSL

00:52:27.119 --> 00:52:31.610
would organise doing a dinner. Supper, yeah.

00:52:31.949 --> 00:52:35.949
Yeah. The men would barbecue the sausages and

00:52:35.949 --> 00:52:39.070
the risoles and the women would do the rest.

00:52:39.150 --> 00:52:41.969
You've been in Bury a number of years then? Yes.

00:52:42.369 --> 00:52:44.869
Let's hear what you've got to say, Colin. Peter

00:52:44.869 --> 00:52:49.289
and Rosemary Muller. Muller's an old resident

00:52:49.289 --> 00:52:54.630
of the town. What about across at the showground

00:52:54.630 --> 00:52:56.489
here? You would have seen a bit going on over

00:52:56.489 --> 00:53:00.869
the years. Over the years, yeah. Yeah, it's changed

00:53:00.869 --> 00:53:05.090
pretty dramatically over here with the monthly

00:53:05.090 --> 00:53:08.250
markets, etc. The only thing that used to be

00:53:08.250 --> 00:53:13.579
on over here was the Royal Easter Show. And at

00:53:13.579 --> 00:53:16.900
Christmas time, the train would quite often bring

00:53:16.900 --> 00:53:20.659
in different works for a works party here in

00:53:20.659 --> 00:53:23.480
the showground. What about the agricultural shows?

00:53:23.900 --> 00:53:26.340
Did you ever show your bulls? We didn't, no.

00:53:26.440 --> 00:53:29.840
Your Angus bulls, what did you like about them?

00:53:30.039 --> 00:53:33.300
Quiet and behaved themselves pretty well and

00:53:33.300 --> 00:53:38.139
threw good calves. What did they eat? What grasses

00:53:38.139 --> 00:53:41.119
were you growing or how were you feeding them?

00:53:41.500 --> 00:53:45.320
Mainly koi kiwi up and they're out in the open

00:53:45.320 --> 00:53:48.980
farm, yeah. We didn't supplement, we fed them.

00:53:49.099 --> 00:53:51.780
A couple of times we brought in a bit of hay

00:53:51.780 --> 00:53:55.099
when it got really dry out there, but normally

00:53:55.099 --> 00:53:58.960
they just survived on what was in the paddock.

00:53:59.159 --> 00:54:02.059
What about cedar? Was there a lot cut on the

00:54:02.059 --> 00:54:06.050
property? Before my time, there was umpteen truckloads

00:54:06.050 --> 00:54:08.710
of it cut out there, yeah. Colin used to tell

00:54:08.710 --> 00:54:11.389
me that's where, when we went for a walk, that's

00:54:11.389 --> 00:54:14.030
where they used to saw them. They had a special

00:54:14.030 --> 00:54:16.710
machine, a four -wheel drive. It was one of the

00:54:16.710 --> 00:54:19.789
first that came to the district and they used

00:54:19.789 --> 00:54:22.710
to snig them out at the gullies up there. Pretty

00:54:22.710 --> 00:54:26.429
hair -raising, cut them down and snig them to

00:54:26.429 --> 00:54:29.190
the top of a ridge and then they'd pull them

00:54:29.190 --> 00:54:33.119
over and let them slide to the... Sometimes they'd

00:54:33.119 --> 00:54:38.800
use the machine to run them down and it was a

00:54:38.800 --> 00:54:41.280
pretty hair -raising job. You'd be on a bit of

00:54:41.280 --> 00:54:45.400
an angle. Yeah, oh yes, yeah. Did you ever see

00:54:45.400 --> 00:54:48.699
any remnants of saw pits? They were obviously

00:54:48.699 --> 00:54:54.900
dug out, certain spots on the place to operate

00:54:54.900 --> 00:54:59.360
a saw pit there. I thought it was old stump.

00:55:00.559 --> 00:55:03.019
that had been dug out, to be honest with you.

00:55:03.039 --> 00:55:04.679
I think that's what it might have been, actually,

00:55:04.780 --> 00:55:07.539
because it would have been hand -dug, big trees

00:55:07.539 --> 00:55:10.219
that had really fallen over and the stumps had

00:55:10.219 --> 00:55:14.440
left a big hole in the ground. Up high on the

00:55:14.440 --> 00:55:17.159
inclines, they just dropped them. They dropped

00:55:17.159 --> 00:55:21.639
the trees and snagged them out one way or another.

00:55:22.679 --> 00:55:25.769
Any stories you might recall from... No. Your

00:55:25.769 --> 00:55:29.250
dad or before? What sort of trees were on Crozier's

00:55:29.250 --> 00:55:32.230
when you were there that you cleared? Turby was

00:55:32.230 --> 00:55:34.989
the main one up on our place, yeah. So what's

00:55:34.989 --> 00:55:38.070
the full name of that tree? Turbondyne. Was there

00:55:38.070 --> 00:55:41.590
any evidence of a creamery on the property? No.

00:55:41.750 --> 00:55:46.809
Near the dairy or? Oh, well, we used to separate

00:55:46.809 --> 00:55:50.630
the milk because we had pigs out there in the

00:55:50.630 --> 00:55:54.130
early days. So you were breeding pigs? Yeah,

00:55:54.130 --> 00:55:56.889
they were breeding pigs, yeah. What sort, was

00:55:56.889 --> 00:55:59.869
there a type? I don't know what type they would

00:55:59.869 --> 00:56:02.550
have been. So when you say breeding pigs, your

00:56:02.550 --> 00:56:05.889
family are breeding pigs? Yeah, yeah. Well, there

00:56:05.889 --> 00:56:10.190
used to be old sour pits down near the stalls,

00:56:10.510 --> 00:56:13.929
long gone now, yeah. Did you have a big veranda

00:56:13.929 --> 00:56:17.690
on your house? Yes, right round, three sides

00:56:17.690 --> 00:56:20.269
anyhow, yeah. Did you see any fires, terrible

00:56:20.269 --> 00:56:24.219
storms come over that mountain? Oh, yes. It was

00:56:24.219 --> 00:56:28.159
a wild storm that placed two big pine trees we

00:56:28.159 --> 00:56:31.420
had out the front. When I was a kid, one of them

00:56:31.420 --> 00:56:34.539
got hit by lightning, or they both got hit by

00:56:34.539 --> 00:56:37.400
lightning, actually, and we lost one. The other

00:56:37.400 --> 00:56:40.320
one survived. It's still out there now. I replaced

00:56:40.320 --> 00:56:43.679
the one that got hit by lightning and killed.

00:56:44.039 --> 00:56:48.320
The new one's growing, yeah. There was a sleep

00:56:48.320 --> 00:56:51.480
-out for the summer time, which we'd sleep there

00:56:51.480 --> 00:56:56.420
if the nights were hot, too hot inside. Did you

00:56:56.420 --> 00:56:59.260
have your own room? Yeah. He had his own room,

00:56:59.260 --> 00:57:04.559
but in the back area, it had a double bed and

00:57:04.559 --> 00:57:09.059
then two single beds. It came in very useful

00:57:09.059 --> 00:57:12.780
for when my daughter got married. First of all,

00:57:12.800 --> 00:57:17.340
she had her... wedding crew sleep there they

00:57:17.340 --> 00:57:21.820
all slept on the on the veranda that night that

00:57:21.820 --> 00:57:25.199
night before the wedding oh yes and then then

00:57:25.199 --> 00:57:29.440
they all got dressed up and made up and and then

00:57:29.440 --> 00:57:33.940
my daughter was very calm cool collected She

00:57:33.940 --> 00:57:36.800
came and did my eyebrows for me because I was

00:57:36.800 --> 00:57:39.139
shaking so much. You were a bit nervous, were

00:57:39.139 --> 00:57:44.219
you, Lynne? I was, losing my baby girl. Oh. Oh.

00:57:44.619 --> 00:57:47.599
What does she do? A minister? You mean a politician

00:57:47.599 --> 00:57:52.480
or a... No. A... A Presbyterian minister's wife.

00:57:53.199 --> 00:57:56.280
Plus she's also a teacher's aide. Where does

00:57:56.280 --> 00:58:00.360
she live? Townsville. Do you know why Crozi is...

00:58:00.360 --> 00:58:03.880
Like, the Crozi has lived... At some point in

00:58:03.880 --> 00:58:07.940
Crozier's Road. They were the first house on

00:58:07.940 --> 00:58:11.079
Crozier's Road. On the right -hand side. Do you

00:58:11.079 --> 00:58:13.360
know the story behind, because there was their

00:58:13.360 --> 00:58:16.219
own municipal councils and whatnot, do you know

00:58:16.219 --> 00:58:20.420
why it was named after them? I've got my understanding

00:58:20.420 --> 00:58:23.380
that I can remember from Grandad, and basically

00:58:23.380 --> 00:58:27.880
when it came down to naming the road, because

00:58:27.880 --> 00:58:31.619
before that time the roads weren't... actually

00:58:31.619 --> 00:58:36.179
named, Grandad opted not to call it Host Road.

00:58:36.400 --> 00:58:39.280
The Croziers, from what I understand, had left

00:58:39.280 --> 00:58:45.159
their house by that stage or had only a few people

00:58:45.159 --> 00:58:48.500
still living there and Grandad went, no, call

00:58:48.500 --> 00:58:52.360
it Croziers Road. Mum, is that correct from your

00:58:52.360 --> 00:58:55.699
understanding? Yeah, they had a meeting between

00:58:55.699 --> 00:59:01.739
Croziers and Grandad. and they decided that seeing

00:59:01.739 --> 00:59:05.719
as Grandad was right up the back and it was easier

00:59:05.719 --> 00:59:09.780
to call it Crozier's rather than Host because

00:59:09.780 --> 00:59:13.940
you'd go past and you wouldn't really know. So

00:59:13.940 --> 00:59:16.139
it was better that the one in front and then

00:59:16.139 --> 00:59:18.900
people would call in there and, oh, yeah, Host

00:59:18.900 --> 00:59:21.460
is up the back up there as far as you can go.

00:59:21.719 --> 00:59:23.619
So that was Ernest Host you're talking about?

00:59:23.920 --> 00:59:27.539
My Grandad is Kenneth Host. That was the story

00:59:27.539 --> 00:59:31.320
I heard as a child. It would have been earnest,

00:59:31.500 --> 00:59:35.179
I'd say, that he talked with the baiters or the

00:59:35.179 --> 00:59:38.639
croziers or whatever. A lot of farms had orchards.

00:59:38.659 --> 00:59:41.119
You haven't mentioned that yet. What do you recall

00:59:41.119 --> 00:59:43.500
about... Did you have the orchard when you were

00:59:43.500 --> 00:59:46.679
growing up? It's been there all my life. It still

00:59:46.679 --> 00:59:50.199
remains there now. Not a functioning orchard,

00:59:50.199 --> 00:59:52.980
but there's still fruit trees there. How big

00:59:52.980 --> 00:59:56.800
was it in terms of acres? Acre and a half, two

00:59:56.800 --> 01:00:00.019
acres at the most. What are you growing there?

01:00:01.079 --> 01:00:05.300
Seasonal fruits? Seasonal fruit, yeah. Apples,

01:00:05.300 --> 01:00:12.219
pears and plums and whatever, yeah. It also acted

01:00:12.219 --> 01:00:17.059
as a free -range chicken pen. Yeah. You had chooks.

01:00:17.059 --> 01:00:21.739
Because it was fenced in, we had chooks and we

01:00:21.739 --> 01:00:25.070
had a shed there for the chooks to... Go in at

01:00:25.070 --> 01:00:28.989
night time and, yeah, hopefully lay their eggs.

01:00:29.269 --> 01:00:31.809
So you're saying the orchard was covered? It

01:00:31.809 --> 01:00:36.269
was surrounded with fencing, which was approximately

01:00:36.269 --> 01:00:39.130
two and a half metres in height. And the fruit

01:00:39.130 --> 01:00:42.329
trees, from what I understand, would have netting

01:00:42.329 --> 01:00:44.630
thrown over them at different times of the year.

01:00:44.849 --> 01:00:47.769
Yeah. That's quite a big fence. Yeah. High fence.

01:00:48.050 --> 01:00:52.969
Who had made those fences? The fence was made

01:00:52.969 --> 01:00:56.510
high. Try and keep the foxes out, but that didn't

01:00:56.510 --> 01:00:58.889
exactly work because they just climbed up and

01:00:58.889 --> 01:01:02.130
over the top. How'd the chooks go then? They

01:01:02.130 --> 01:01:05.190
didn't. That's terrible, isn't it? Didn't survive,

01:01:05.590 --> 01:01:08.010
some of them, but anyway. Originally, who would

01:01:08.010 --> 01:01:09.969
have built the orchard? Back of me grandfather.

01:01:10.449 --> 01:01:14.190
Lewis. Yeah, Lewis, yeah. So the original pioneer.

01:01:14.510 --> 01:01:18.610
Yep. So those fruit trees that are there today,

01:01:18.969 --> 01:01:23.079
are they the original trees? Perhaps some are.

01:01:23.199 --> 01:01:26.599
Some would be, yeah. It's incredibly important.

01:01:26.960 --> 01:01:31.219
They're the ones Lewis used to supply what came

01:01:31.219 --> 01:01:36.239
off the trees and take it to the Aboriginal mission

01:01:36.239 --> 01:01:40.219
that is in Bombardieri. So all surplus fruit

01:01:40.219 --> 01:01:45.219
he would deliver? Yes. So this is Lewis' host

01:01:45.219 --> 01:01:50.010
and it went on after. Lewis to the next one,

01:01:50.170 --> 01:01:53.030
it didn't keep going. At some point, the host

01:01:53.030 --> 01:01:57.929
moved. Yes. To Kiama. Kiama, yeah. Who was that?

01:01:58.110 --> 01:02:01.190
That's another brother. Lewis was the original.

01:02:01.510 --> 01:02:06.989
He purchased the property. He got awarded the

01:02:06.989 --> 01:02:10.670
land grant? Yes, yes. Yep. Then after that point,

01:02:10.750 --> 01:02:14.119
he was from... Kiama originally, I think. Moved

01:02:14.119 --> 01:02:18.440
to Broadden Creek where they had a winery and

01:02:18.440 --> 01:02:21.960
apparently from all the history diving that I've

01:02:21.960 --> 01:02:25.880
done, it was a very, very well -known one. He

01:02:25.880 --> 01:02:30.139
then purchased or got property up at Falls Creek.

01:02:30.320 --> 01:02:33.219
Yep, Falls Creek. And then came back down to

01:02:33.219 --> 01:02:36.719
the coast here. He then handed over to his son,

01:02:36.960 --> 01:02:41.340
moved back to Kiama. Then from that point...

01:02:41.769 --> 01:02:46.090
He moved back to Berry into the house, Albany,

01:02:46.230 --> 01:02:50.329
which one of his sons had built. Yep, the one

01:02:50.329 --> 01:02:54.170
that built the house out the farm. It's somewhere

01:02:54.170 --> 01:02:57.590
in Albany Road. Yes. We know which house it is.

01:02:57.710 --> 01:03:00.230
Yep, okay. But we don't know the number. Again,

01:03:00.289 --> 01:03:02.730
it's one of the original houses in Berry. The

01:03:02.730 --> 01:03:07.110
dairy technology, the innovation that your family

01:03:07.110 --> 01:03:10.579
were the first. The milking machine. that was

01:03:10.579 --> 01:03:13.840
out at the farm was the original one that was

01:03:13.840 --> 01:03:17.280
imported to Australia. Dairy in Australia, even

01:03:17.280 --> 01:03:20.539
though it wasn't connected to power, mains power,

01:03:20.699 --> 01:03:25.059
they had their own generator. That's since, in

01:03:25.059 --> 01:03:30.059
the last 12 months, been taken out of the dairy

01:03:30.059 --> 01:03:34.980
there to be remanufactured and reconditioned

01:03:34.980 --> 01:03:39.300
by another one of Dad's cousins. Who imported

01:03:39.300 --> 01:03:42.780
that? Which relative? That probably would have

01:03:42.780 --> 01:03:47.059
been Ernest. Yeah. So hence the generator you

01:03:47.059 --> 01:03:50.579
referenced earlier. Yeah. To power that. It was

01:03:50.579 --> 01:03:54.760
very similar to what's used in dairies now. It

01:03:54.760 --> 01:03:57.619
would actually have a boiler system in it, which

01:03:57.619 --> 01:04:00.519
would then pump and create suction, would have

01:04:00.519 --> 01:04:04.980
the cups, rather than being a... Rather than

01:04:04.980 --> 01:04:08.550
manual, in the stalls it actually had... Very

01:04:08.550 --> 01:04:11.789
similar to what the technology is now in run

01:04:11.789 --> 01:04:13.809
-of -the -mill dairies. He must have had some

01:04:13.809 --> 01:04:15.829
connections there. We don't know. Yeah, he must

01:04:15.829 --> 01:04:18.010
have been doing well to have done that, I think.

01:04:18.230 --> 01:04:22.289
But Ernest was also part of the council, wasn't

01:04:22.289 --> 01:04:27.250
he? Yes. So he was sitting on the council. And

01:04:27.250 --> 01:04:31.210
was Grandad 14 when he actually took over the

01:04:31.210 --> 01:04:36.000
property? 15. So there was definitely some financial

01:04:36.000 --> 01:04:40.300
side of things that they had and as a property

01:04:40.300 --> 01:04:43.920
owner that's a large property owner, that's probably

01:04:43.920 --> 01:04:46.219
something that was definitely there. Because

01:04:46.219 --> 01:04:48.800
it's kind of turn of century early, sort of early

01:04:48.800 --> 01:04:52.139
20th century innovation, isn't it? Yes. And from

01:04:52.139 --> 01:04:55.519
what I understand from this region, we were one

01:04:55.519 --> 01:04:59.179
of the first families to switch from dairying

01:04:59.179 --> 01:05:02.380
to beef as well, weren't we? Yeah. And when was

01:05:02.380 --> 01:05:07.139
that switch made? Before my time, but it would

01:05:07.139 --> 01:05:11.900
be in the 30s, probably. Before you were born?

01:05:12.179 --> 01:05:15.519
Yeah. As a result of the Great Depression, I'd

01:05:15.519 --> 01:05:19.059
say. I don't know, but that's what I would imagine

01:05:19.059 --> 01:05:25.239
was the sequence of events. Yes. We'll see. But,

01:05:25.300 --> 01:05:29.559
yeah, I'm sure that... Thank you for tuning in

01:05:29.559 --> 01:05:33.170
to Episode 4. Crozier's Road, Jasper's Brush.

01:05:33.869 --> 01:05:37.389
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01:05:37.690 --> 01:05:42.269
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01:05:42.269 --> 01:05:47.190
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01:05:47.630 --> 01:05:50.610
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01:05:50.610 --> 01:05:53.570
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