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My name is Therese Sweeney. My podcast is called

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Therese Makes History. I'm a historian who's

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had digital media skills for many years. Season

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one, the Dairy Lane Project. Today I bring you

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the final episode, episode number 10. This season

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has been supported by Turf Co, our region's largest

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agricultural employer. operating for 40 years

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and located in Jasper's Brush. Also, McGoldrick's

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estate agents in Bury. They've been there since

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1987. Tim McGoldrick leads an incredible team

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who sell luxury properties, farms, acreage, as

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well as houses in new estates that are popping

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up. They rent out luxury properties for people

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to holiday at. Thank you both for your support

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this season. The title to episode 10 is The Davis

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Family on the South Side of the Swamp. Samuel

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Thomas Davis was born in Portland, England in

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1835. He married Susan Anthony on the 17th of

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August, 1886. They migrated to Australia on the

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ship Hindostan, which left from Liverpool. and

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arrived in Sydney on the 12th of August 1887.

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Susan was pregnant with their first child. They

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were of Methodist faith and settled at Milton

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on the south coast and had seven children there.

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Firstborn John, 1857. Sarah, born 1860. William,

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born 1862. Edward, born 1863, Robert, born 1866,

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and Caroline, born 1868. The youngest son, Robert,

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married Selina Knapp in 1890. Selina was born

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in 1868, and they too had seven children. Stella,

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born 1891, Oswald, born 1893, Dorothy, born 1896,

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Dulcie Mere, born 1899, she was known as Dulcie,

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Raymond, born 1902, Leo, born 1906, and Merle,

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born in 1910. Leo Davis, the youngest son, is

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Laurel Kellett's father, who I am engaging in

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this recording. He later farmed with his father,

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Robert, at Maroo Meadow. Robert Davis, Laurel's

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grandfather, moved up to Maroo in January 1923.

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Leo was 16. Robert was influenced by Uncle Jim

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Knapp, who told him there was a farm for sale.

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James R. Knapp, as Jim is known, ran the cattle

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stud Swanley in Bolong. Six of his prized specimens

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are featured in the 1920 publication A History

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of the Illawarra, which I have referenced previously

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in episode three of The Boxels. Jim farmed at

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Bolong from 1918. Leo Davis farmed at Maroo with

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his wife Minnie. who he married in 1923. He's

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Laurel Davis's father. Laurel married Harry Kellett,

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whose family date back in the region from the

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late 1820s. Harry was 12 years older than Laurel.

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So today I am recording our final episode of

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Season 1 with Laurel Kellett, who is 86 years

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of age. We recorded this episode at her home

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in Bomaderry. How are you today, Laurel? Very

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well, thank you. What's your full name? Laurel

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Wilma Kellett. Where did you grow up? At Maroo

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Meadow. Whereabouts exactly? Opposite the silos,

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winery or Wiley's. How much land did your family

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have, roughly? It would be rough. I'd say around

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about 100 acres. It wouldn't have been big. What

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year were you born? 1938. Where were you born?

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In Narra. I don't know where I was born. It could

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have been the hospital. I know my brothers were

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born in Junction Street in that little hospital.

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You have other siblings. What were their names?

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Three brothers. Graham. Bob, Robert, I should

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say, Robert and Evan. They were all younger than

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me. Okay, what are your first memories as a kid

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in the landscape at Maroo? Did you have cows?

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Yes, we had milking cows. Do you remember the

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type of cows? Yes, Illawarra's. What sort of

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dairy? Was it a walkthrough or how were they

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milking? Yes, milk walkthrough. Did you ever

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work in the dairy? Yes. Can you tell me a bit

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about what you did? put machines on and off and

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brought cows in and took cows to a paddock wherever

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they were to be fed, put them in the stalls because

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we fed cows in the stalls. Well, you had a silo?

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Yes, we had a silo. And as kids, when they were

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filling the silo up with the corn, as it got

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up a bit, we'd jump out a window down onto the

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silage. It had a window, so it had a few windows

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going up. Yes. And as you filled it, the window

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got blocked. So it had a ladder to get up to

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every window. So it was there when you were born?

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Yes, it was built before I was born. And how

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many cows? I've got no idea, but I reckon probably

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only about 30, if that. That was common. Tell

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me about that. What did your neighbours look

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like? Oh, our neighbours were turners. Thorburns,

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Wylies, and we were on the swamp, on the Jasper's

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Brush swamp, and our neighbours there were Irvines,

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and they came in from Bolong. Their farm came

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in from Bolong. My uncle, Ray Davis, was our

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neighbour, and Isons were a little bit further

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along the road. So Ray was your father's brother?

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That's right. Tell me about your parents, their

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names, and who did your dad marry? Dad married

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Minnie Goodyear, and she came from Canberra.

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Actually, they relocated from Canberra to Harley

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Hill, and I think that's how Dad met Mum, probably

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at the Methodist Church. So your father's name?

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Leo Vane Davis. Tell me a bit about your spiritual...

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your spirituality, your family and the church?

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Oh, yes. My grandfather, Robert Davis, was a

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lay preacher and we've always gone to the Methodist

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Church at Bury. That was part of the community

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as well? Yes, definitely the community. And we

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had fellowships in there. I went to fellowship

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and Sunday school. Then when I got married, I

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went to a younger women's fellowship. And although

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it was at the Methodist Church, we had ladies

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that... probably never been to church, that came

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down to those groups of a night. I think they

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were once a month. And what did you do? Oh, we

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had social functions. I can't just remember what

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sort of social functions. We might have speakers,

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things like that. I know here recently I saw

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a lady from Bury and she said, I would never

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have known you, only that I came down to that

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fellowship. And it probably was 50 or 60 years

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ago. How many women would attend them? 15 to

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20. So the church was in Bury and you have a

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long affiliation with that church, do you? Your

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family? Yes, we did. Although Harry and I have

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moved around a bit. I now belong to Bomadiri,

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but I still go back to Bury now and again. I

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think you go back to your grassroots. So Harry's

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your husband? Yes. How did you meet Harry? At

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a dance at Canberra. Who was playing in? Harley

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Dobell was on the drums and another lady played

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the piano and they had a dance twice a month,

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I think. There were dancers out there. Wileys,

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our neighbours, they were dancing teachers and

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then I went to dancing lessons with them. Then

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Mum used to take us up to Canberra to dance.

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My mother, of course, originated from Canberra

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so we'd go back to Canberra to our relatives.

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They were goodgers and there's still goodgers

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up there. and they're all related to me. So that's

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Minnie? Yes. Do you remember any of Minnie's

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sisters or brothers? Yes. Mum had a brother called

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Bert Goodyear, a sister called Ivy, and she was

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Ivy Bevan, and Mum. What did you wear to the

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dances? Did you make your own dresses? Oh, I

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probably did then, because I went to TAFE and

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did sewing lessons for a few years. OK. So, yes,

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I would have probably made my own dresses. Well,

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you went to TAFE, so... Was that before you were

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married? Yes, when I left school, I went to TAFE.

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I learnt dressmaking, white work, millinery.

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White work wedding dresses? No, underwear, mainly.

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Tell me about that. What fabrics were they using

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to make... No, just out of interest. Was it cottons

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or...? Yes, we had cottons, but we had silk sort

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of material. What was the course called? White

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work. Because it was white underwear. Well, yes,

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and you had fancy, we did fancy work with that.

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What does that mean? So what's fancy? A bit of

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lace? Yes, lace and handwork on lace. Okay. So...

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That dog's, I'm going to kill that dog. Oh, I'm

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going to kill that dog too. You didn't tell me

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you had a dog that far. Well... I don't know

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why they bark. I don't know why the neighbour

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doesn't throw a stone at it. So you're sewing,

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are you? You're needlework? You're needlework,

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yes. You did use your machines as well. Fine

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work, you used hand, you did hand work. Are there

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particular stitches that have names? Oh, there

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probably are, but I can't remember them. Yeah,

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did you enjoy it? Yes, yes. And how long was

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the course for? Oh, two to three years. I think

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dressmaking was three years. And I did the other

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courses as well. I did millinery and flower making.

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That was another course I did. I can't remember

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what else. In those years, you wore a hat to

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everything, except into a dance. You didn't wear

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a hat. But people wore hats. Oh, well, I don't

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know what there is to describe about a hat. It's

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a hat. The shape of them, were they... Oh. Did

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you have... Whatever the fashion was, you...

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Yes, probably whatever the fashion was. But that's

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quite a craft. Well, yes, but you don't see it

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anymore. No, that's why I'm asking you about

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it. Don't see it. Hmm. Where was the TAFE? Down

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here at the... where it is now, on the highway.

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Were there a lot of women in the class? Yes,

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there were a lot of women in the class. Just

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women? Yes. The boys had carpentry and mechanics.

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What sort of machine were you using? We would

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have used singer machines mainly, but I did have

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a beniner, which I've still got one now, but

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I don't use it very often. Were the singer machines

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foot pedals? Yes. I can't remember. Me using

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one without power, I think it was power all the

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time I was at TAFE. Who supplied your fabrics?

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Oh, we bought them at Morrison's Fabric Shop

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in Narra. Sometimes you'd go to Sydney or somewhere

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like that, probably if you wanted something a

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bit different. You went to Bombardier High School?

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No, I went to Narra Intermediate High School.

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And where was that located? On the corner of

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Plunkett. and Berry Street. It's still there

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now. Did you play sport? Yes, I played tennis.

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I played tennis out in Berry. I played tennis

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in Narra. I played night tennis. After I was

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married, I think I played midweek tennis, sometimes

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out at Farm Meadows, sometimes in Berry, sometimes

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in Narra. So it did move around a bit, the competitions?

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Yes, the competitions, yes. Did you play at Lemons

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Lane? Did you play with the Mullers on their

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tennis court? No, but I did play with Mullers

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at Jaspers Brush on the Jaspers Brush School

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tennis court. That would have been before I was

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married. What else do you remember about growing

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up as a kid? You've got the dairy cows. You've

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got a photo there of some tractors with iron

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wheels on them. Why would they be using those?

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That tractor came from... Down Milton Way, I

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think, because Dad and his brother used to go

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and get timber out of the bush. I don't know

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who they cut it for or why, but I'm sure that's

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where Dad brought the tractor from. And the iron

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spike wheels were like the four -wheel drives

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have replaced that. I'm sure it was how that

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worked. Yeah, because they would have given it

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stability. That's right. We also had a Ferguson

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tractor. So what was the name of that spiked

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one? McCormick Deering. Deering, yeah. I never

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drove it. I know Dad did. I only drove the Ferguson.

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But the Ferguson had tyres on it just like a

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car. Well, we used to take the milk to the road.

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I can't remember taking the milk to the road

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on the tractor because when us kids got a bit

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bigger, or Graeme and I anyway, Dad got an old

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truck. We used to drive that, take the cans to

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the road and put them on the milk stand and then

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the milk truck would come along and pick them

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up. How many cans were you putting there? Oh,

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two or three. So the slide, you had draft horses?

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Yes. We had one draft horse, but I believe there

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were originally two out there, but I don't remember

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two. But I remember one, and her name was Sadie.

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I never had anything to do with driving the horse.

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Mum and Dad went for a holiday, and they left

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Graeme and I at home, I and Bob at home, with

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Grandma and Grandma Goodyear. and Mum's cousin,

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Percy Goodger, and he did the milking with us

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kids helping him, and he must have used the horse

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then. But when I got married, because Harry's

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farm was very hilly, he had a horse and slide.

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And he did have a tractor as well, but most of

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the time he used the horse and slide because

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of the hills. My first child, Jane, was about

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six months old and Harry got the flu really bad

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and we had corn at Camberwara and I know I had

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to go up and cut the corn and put it in piles

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and I took Jane with me and I used to sit her

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on piles as I went and I cut the corn and then

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I came home and he got out of bed and went up

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and got the horse and slide and brought it back.

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only because I could not use a horse. I didn't

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know how to handle a horse. I could drive a tractor,

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but I couldn't drive a horse. How were you cutting

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the corn? With a corn cutter. It was like a short

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-handled, bigger than a knife, but it looked

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like that. It was thicker than a knife, and you

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just cut the corn. Chop it? Chopped it, yes.

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How much did you have to clear, roughly? I don't

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know. It might have been 10 or 20 piles of corn.

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I can't remember how many acres. It was a good

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-sized paddy. He'd put it through the chaff cutter

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and we'd feed it to the cows. So do you know

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what sort of chaff cutter he was using? No, I've

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got no idea. Did he chaff it in the paddock?

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No, no, no. No, he chaffed it? Brought it home

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and put it through the chaff cutter. Did you

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ever put corn in the ground? Did you ever bury

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silage? Not at Canberra, but we did it at Far

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Meadow. You started at Maroo. Yes. And what school

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did you go to there? Maroo Meadow. And who were

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some of your friends there? Leila Hitchcock,

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Elaine Hitchcock, Margaret Hitchcock, and then

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there was the Thorburn girls, and there was the

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Turner girls. They lived more or less next door.

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And what were their names? One was Mary Thorburn,

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but I can't remember the other girl's name. And

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then there was... and I think one was Wilma Turner,

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and they lived in Turner's Lane, which was next

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door to us. Do you remember what post office

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you went to? Yes, Jasper's Brush. It's interesting,

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because you were in Maroo. I know, we were in

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the middle. You were on the border. We were on

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the border. We went to Maroo School, and we went

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to Berry for everything else. Which school of

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arts did you go to? Oh, Maroo. Yeah. I don't

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remember ever going to the school of arts. Jasper's

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Brush, but... But you remember the railway there?

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Oh, we had to cross the railway every time we

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left home because we lived on the bottom side

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of the railway. There was gates for us to go

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through. Other than that, if we were going over

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to Wiley's, our neighbours, I would go through

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our paddocks, under the railway bridge, through

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another Wiley paddock, cross the highway and

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to... Keith Wiley's, because I'd go over there

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to see Judith and Margaret. Was the highway a

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dirt road? I can't remember whether it was a

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dirt road or not, actually. I can't remember

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that. But it was nothing like it is now. Wiley's

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Bridge used to have a bit of a bend on it, and

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I know there was often accidents round about

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there. People would go into the gutter. Well,

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there were two families of Wiley's. There was

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Fred Wiley's and Keith Wiley's. We spent a lot

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of time over there on school holidays when we

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were kids. Wiley's Creek, come across the highway

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and on the edge of our farm and went towards

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Bolong or down into the swamp. So tell me about

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the swamp. Yes, when we had floods, we had water.

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We always probably had enough land left. for

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the cows, but that's all I remember about the

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swamp. So when you're saying you had enough water,

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so when it rained, there'd be enough for them

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to go dry somewhere? Yes, yes, plenty of room

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to go dry for a dry paddock. Did the swamp have

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any drainage? Well, yes, there was drains down

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there, but I don't think up our end. And I think

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the drains would have been down on Eden Irvine's

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farm, which would be Bolong, part of Bolong.

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And I think, but I don't remember Dad talking

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about drains, but he could have because we may

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never have taken any notice or anything, but

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there was always plenty of water down around

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when we had floods. All the bird life. Don't

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remember any bird life. Not when the floods came?

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No, don't remember bird life when the floods

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came. And I know we used to paddle in it and

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nowadays every time we get a flood they tell

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kids and people not to walk in the water because

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there could be snakes. Well, we don't remember

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seeing snakes and we used to paddle in it because

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often you'd get a flood in the summertime, you

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know, wouldn't be always in the winter. I don't

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remember us swimming in it, but we used to paddle

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in it and the water receded and then it would

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leave the paddocks brown because there would

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be mud left there. But you'd get rain a bit later

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on and it seemed to clean up and the same thing

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happens today, so it sure is wet. Oh, yes, there's

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been some bad floods, and I know people have

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been washed away. And I know people down Bolong

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had to be helicoptered off the roofs of their

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houses. In later years, there hasn't been the

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floods we had when I was young. And apparently

00:22:00.579 --> 00:22:04.500
during the war, I believe, and I can remember

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the peas being grown, but I didn't realise it

00:22:07.079 --> 00:22:12.259
was during the war, they grew peas and potatoes

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because the government wanted them to have food

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for people. And I know the corn paddock was between

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the railway and the main road on our farm. And

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I can remember a lady coming out from Berry,

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she wasn't the only one, and used to pick the

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peas. And I don't remember anything about the

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war because our parents didn't talk about it.

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I know you couldn't have lights on, but that's

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all I do remember. And I remember Dad had a truck,

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ran on coal or coke or something. But that's

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all I can remember. Yet people younger than me

00:22:52.069 --> 00:22:54.670
that were born in Sydney can remember a lot of

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things about the war. What sort of person was

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your dad? Oh, he was a happy -go -lucky sort

00:23:03.930 --> 00:23:07.950
of a man. Was he a good farmer? Oh, I think so.

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And he was a handyman, good handyman. He was

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a bit mechanically minded. What about your mum,

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Minnie? Yes, she used to... Milk, apparently.

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I don't remember Mum really doing milking, but

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she must have before we were big enough to milk.

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When did you go from Maroo School? Where then?

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I went from Maroo School to Narra High School.

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Okay, so that's what you were talking about.

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That's the only school I went to. Only two schools.

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How would you get there to Narra? Bus. How would

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you get around as kids? Did you have a car? We

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didn't have a car until I was more than eight

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years old. I remember going to Sunday school

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and people by the name of Kerries used to pick

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me up. They lived at Moreau and they used to

00:24:00.960 --> 00:24:03.759
pick me up and take me but I had to walk, I walked

00:24:03.759 --> 00:24:07.299
to the road, to the main road. Now and again

00:24:07.299 --> 00:24:09.880
we would go back to Milton to Dad's relatives

00:24:09.880 --> 00:24:13.519
and he would get a lend of his brother -in -law's

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car in Bury. So what were the roads like driving

00:24:16.619 --> 00:24:22.680
to Milton? The highway, as we know it. They mustn't

00:24:22.680 --> 00:24:25.140
have been bitumen, but they must have been fairly

00:24:25.140 --> 00:24:28.039
well graded. So just on that note, because that's

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where your father's side came up from Milton.

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That's right. So who were your dad's parents?

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Dad's parents was Robert and Selina Davis. And

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what was Selina's former name? Nap. Okay, so

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you've got here your grandfather Robert was born

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on the 17th of August 1866 and Selina was born

00:24:54.160 --> 00:24:59.140
in November in 1868. Do you remember them? My

00:24:59.140 --> 00:25:02.039
grandparents? Yes. Yes, I remember my grandparents

00:25:02.039 --> 00:25:06.119
in Bury. The Davises came from Milton? Yes. The

00:25:06.119 --> 00:25:09.960
Davises were at Milton and they had a farm and

00:25:09.960 --> 00:25:13.349
they left. My grandfather decided. And I'm only

00:25:13.349 --> 00:25:16.690
presuming that the farm wasn't big enough for

00:25:16.690 --> 00:25:20.670
three boys to be on, so he decided that he'd

00:25:20.670 --> 00:25:23.190
come up and look for a farm up here. Grandma

00:25:23.190 --> 00:25:27.430
had relations up here, naps, at Bolong, so he

00:25:27.430 --> 00:25:30.609
came up and... They were here in the early part

00:25:30.609 --> 00:25:35.089
of the 20th century. Yes. Well, Grandpa rode

00:25:35.089 --> 00:25:39.650
up. I think the farm he bought at Maroo was already

00:25:39.650 --> 00:25:44.079
a farm. So he bought the cattle at that farm.

00:25:45.700 --> 00:25:49.640
Just bought it. They did in those days. Yes,

00:25:49.640 --> 00:25:51.599
they bought that. Walk in and walk out sort of

00:25:51.599 --> 00:25:53.859
thing. But he came up and stayed with the Naps

00:25:53.859 --> 00:25:57.779
at Bolong. I know that. He came back. I'll just

00:25:57.779 --> 00:26:02.059
go back a bit. The property was at Jaspers Brush

00:26:02.059 --> 00:26:05.200
and on the main highway. Hand milking at that

00:26:05.200 --> 00:26:08.180
time. So remember it was hand milking. There

00:26:08.180 --> 00:26:12.230
were no milking machines. Leo was 16 years old

00:26:12.230 --> 00:26:17.369
and then his father had to go back, must have

00:26:17.369 --> 00:26:19.150
been after they got here, and his father had

00:26:19.150 --> 00:26:23.390
to go back and bring a horse and cart with furniture

00:26:23.390 --> 00:26:28.329
and clothing. Dorothy had already gone to Balmain

00:26:28.329 --> 00:26:33.319
for nursing and... Merle finished school at Milton.

00:26:33.500 --> 00:26:35.799
She was the younger one of the family. She finished

00:26:35.799 --> 00:26:38.359
her schooling at Milton before she came up. So

00:26:38.359 --> 00:26:41.500
with her mother came to Jasper's Brush. The farm

00:26:41.500 --> 00:26:47.180
got sold. Grandpa bought the farm and Dad and

00:26:47.180 --> 00:26:50.180
Mum lived in one house and they had to build

00:26:50.180 --> 00:26:54.480
a second house because they decided to cut the

00:26:54.480 --> 00:26:58.980
farm in two. So Ray Davis had part and Leo Davis

00:26:58.980 --> 00:27:02.220
had the other part. So there was a couple of

00:27:02.220 --> 00:27:03.799
girls there too, were there? What were their

00:27:03.799 --> 00:27:09.559
names? Dulcie and Merle and Stella. They were

00:27:09.559 --> 00:27:12.160
Leo's sisters? Yes, they were Leo's sisters.

00:27:12.619 --> 00:27:15.640
And they were all married after they came to

00:27:15.640 --> 00:27:18.539
Bury. So you have some memories of those sisters,

00:27:18.700 --> 00:27:21.500
don't you? I sure do, yes. There's a photograph

00:27:21.500 --> 00:27:24.420
here. Apparently, tell me a little about, there

00:27:24.420 --> 00:27:28.079
was a wild one. Auntie Ada? Oh, that was Grandma's

00:27:28.079 --> 00:27:30.960
sister. Had plenty of go in her. That was a nap,

00:27:31.160 --> 00:27:34.160
yes. What did you hear about her? Was she up

00:27:34.160 --> 00:27:36.359
here? Yeah, she had been up here, but mainly

00:27:36.359 --> 00:27:40.440
she stayed in Milton. And then finally when she

00:27:40.440 --> 00:27:42.900
was married, she shifted to Queensland. And I

00:27:42.900 --> 00:27:45.220
can remember her in Queensland when I was about

00:27:45.220 --> 00:27:48.059
21. So you visited her on your honeymoon? Yes.

00:27:48.079 --> 00:27:51.500
And there were younger ones, and I remember another

00:27:51.500 --> 00:27:54.480
one by the name of Thora. But the Ada one was...

00:27:54.700 --> 00:27:57.220
You know, she was the life of the party. She

00:27:57.220 --> 00:28:00.140
could ride a horse pretty well, apparently. I

00:28:00.140 --> 00:28:02.460
don't remember ever seeing her on a horse, but

00:28:02.460 --> 00:28:05.759
so I was told. So you've got photographs of the

00:28:05.759 --> 00:28:10.240
men... Cutting wood. Mm, cutting wood. I would

00:28:10.240 --> 00:28:12.619
think it would be down Milton Way. It wasn't

00:28:12.619 --> 00:28:15.240
up here. That's a long time ago. So we're talking

00:28:15.240 --> 00:28:17.559
about the late 19th century, aren't we, really?

00:28:17.599 --> 00:28:21.420
Yes, you are. Dolce. Tell me about Dolce, who

00:28:21.420 --> 00:28:25.890
was born in 1898. She lived a good life, didn't

00:28:25.890 --> 00:28:28.150
she? You've got photos of Dulcie. Who's she?

00:28:28.509 --> 00:28:32.069
She's Dad's sister, one of Dad's sisters. She

00:28:32.069 --> 00:28:34.829
never married and she looked after Grandma and

00:28:34.829 --> 00:28:39.509
Grandpa in their later years. So they settled

00:28:39.509 --> 00:28:42.170
in Bury, Richard? They settled in Bury, yes.

00:28:42.609 --> 00:28:44.609
So when did they come up and settle there, do

00:28:44.609 --> 00:28:48.690
you know? 1923, it says that they came up from...

00:28:49.730 --> 00:28:52.029
And what street? And apparently you said the

00:28:52.029 --> 00:28:54.650
house is still there. Yes, Railway Street in

00:28:54.650 --> 00:28:58.049
Bury, straight opposite the railway. They didn't

00:28:58.049 --> 00:29:00.509
have numbers then? No, I don't think they had

00:29:00.509 --> 00:29:03.930
numbers. I know it was called St Elmo, and I

00:29:03.930 --> 00:29:06.950
know the people that live in it now. So you remember

00:29:06.950 --> 00:29:10.470
visiting them? Yes, always there. How would you

00:29:10.470 --> 00:29:13.329
visit them? Well, I don't know what we did when

00:29:13.329 --> 00:29:16.250
I was real young, because Dad didn't have a car,

00:29:16.390 --> 00:29:20.079
and I don't think... Well, we had a pony when

00:29:20.079 --> 00:29:24.420
we were younger. Us kids did. But I don't remember

00:29:24.420 --> 00:29:28.319
riding a pony into town. But Grandpa used to

00:29:28.319 --> 00:29:31.339
come out to the farm and he rode a horse out

00:29:31.339 --> 00:29:34.940
to the farm from Berry. I can remember him turning

00:29:34.940 --> 00:29:37.759
up. Did he work on the farm? Not that I know

00:29:37.759 --> 00:29:40.359
of. I think he'd just come out to see how everybody

00:29:40.359 --> 00:29:42.940
was going. Do you have any memories of Berry

00:29:42.940 --> 00:29:47.039
as a younger woman? No, it's just... changed

00:29:47.039 --> 00:29:50.759
absolutely unbelievably. So it has changed. So

00:29:50.759 --> 00:29:54.380
you went to the church there? Yes. Was it horse

00:29:54.380 --> 00:29:56.660
and cart in town then? Yes, it would have been.

00:29:56.880 --> 00:30:00.460
How did you get in a car to church? Well, we

00:30:00.460 --> 00:30:03.599
didn't because we didn't have a car. I don't

00:30:03.599 --> 00:30:06.539
know what Mum and Dad must have done. I don't

00:30:06.539 --> 00:30:09.720
remember a sulky or anything out there, but I

00:30:09.720 --> 00:30:12.839
know when I was eight I used... That was when

00:30:12.839 --> 00:30:15.299
I started to walk to the road and catch people.

00:30:15.460 --> 00:30:18.500
Catch a lift. Catch a lift to bury. Do you remember

00:30:18.500 --> 00:30:22.960
Swagman? Yes, I do remember them. I can remember

00:30:22.960 --> 00:30:25.960
probably seeing them walking along the side of

00:30:25.960 --> 00:30:28.420
the road. Do you remember seeing the Feeneys

00:30:28.420 --> 00:30:31.299
in their tractors going up the road? Yes, but

00:30:31.299 --> 00:30:34.960
that was really later, a long time later. I remember

00:30:34.960 --> 00:30:38.640
Pearl and Alan and Elaine and Evelyn. I remember

00:30:38.640 --> 00:30:40.779
them because they went to the same school as

00:30:40.779 --> 00:30:43.779
me. You know, there was Marshalls and Limeries

00:30:43.779 --> 00:30:47.579
and Berkwoods at Maroo, but I can remember them

00:30:47.579 --> 00:30:51.700
coming to school because I did all my schooling

00:30:51.700 --> 00:30:54.440
at Maroo and it was a one -teacher school. What

00:30:54.440 --> 00:30:56.940
did you learn at school? How were you... Not

00:30:56.940 --> 00:31:00.099
very much, I don't think. Was it chalk? Yes,

00:31:00.160 --> 00:31:02.700
it was chalk. How did he teach you? Like, what

00:31:02.700 --> 00:31:06.279
were you using, a slate? No, we had books. I

00:31:06.279 --> 00:31:08.720
don't remember a slate. We were all in the one

00:31:08.720 --> 00:31:11.400
room because I went from... From when I started

00:31:11.400 --> 00:31:14.480
school till I finished, it was in the one room.

00:31:14.660 --> 00:31:17.859
My whole six years or whatever it is at school

00:31:17.859 --> 00:31:20.220
was in the one room. Did you have your own desk?

00:31:20.579 --> 00:31:23.000
Yes, yes, we had our own desk. But did you go

00:31:23.000 --> 00:31:25.900
to that same desk every day? Yes, yes. You started

00:31:25.900 --> 00:31:28.940
at the front and went to the back. As you progressed?

00:31:28.960 --> 00:31:31.440
As you progressed. As you got older? As you got

00:31:31.440 --> 00:31:34.680
older. What about eating? Oh, you took your own

00:31:34.680 --> 00:31:37.180
lunch. Did you have a knapsack or what? Yes,

00:31:37.200 --> 00:31:40.819
we had school bags. I can't remember to start

00:31:40.819 --> 00:31:45.240
off with, but I do know I walked home from school

00:31:45.240 --> 00:31:48.940
and I know I went to school on the milk truck

00:31:48.940 --> 00:31:52.599
because the Turner girls and the Thorburn girls

00:31:52.599 --> 00:31:57.039
all were on the truck when I went. So the man

00:31:57.039 --> 00:31:59.759
that picked up our milk also took us to school.

00:31:59.859 --> 00:32:02.660
But I had to walk home because there was nothing

00:32:02.660 --> 00:32:05.359
to bring me home. What route did you take? the

00:32:05.359 --> 00:32:08.960
main road and we'd walk past Hitchcock's. Elaine

00:32:08.960 --> 00:32:12.259
and Margaret walk with them and they'd stop at

00:32:12.259 --> 00:32:15.000
their house. Then we'd walk a bit further along

00:32:15.000 --> 00:32:18.559
to Devitt's Lane and we'd have Lola and Jim Hitchcock.

00:32:18.720 --> 00:32:22.619
They'd fall off the group. I must have been on

00:32:22.619 --> 00:32:25.079
my own after that because Judith and Margaret,

00:32:25.220 --> 00:32:27.980
I don't know whether they ever walked to school.

00:32:28.349 --> 00:32:30.569
They were a bit younger than me, so... Were there

00:32:30.569 --> 00:32:33.789
sulkies passing you or cars? Don't remember that.

00:32:34.049 --> 00:32:37.849
Going back a while. I know. Too far. So tell

00:32:37.849 --> 00:32:40.569
me, you've met your husband at the dance. Yes.

00:32:40.910 --> 00:32:44.890
What happened? Was it love at first sight? Oh,

00:32:45.049 --> 00:32:48.210
I don't know. I don't know. How did you feel?

00:32:48.549 --> 00:32:52.930
I had a fair few friends. I was in rural youth.

00:32:53.500 --> 00:32:56.160
as well when I was young. And what does that

00:32:56.160 --> 00:32:58.019
mean, rural youth? And tell me what you did.

00:32:58.039 --> 00:33:00.940
Well, it was junior farmers. I can remember we

00:33:00.940 --> 00:33:05.240
went to something one day. I was in Berry Rural

00:33:05.240 --> 00:33:09.660
Youth or junior farming. There was always a junior

00:33:09.660 --> 00:33:13.119
farmer man would come round to the school. Well,

00:33:13.180 --> 00:33:15.740
he'd bring us home sometimes because he'd be

00:33:15.740 --> 00:33:19.200
going back to Wiley's or somewhere and he'd bring

00:33:19.200 --> 00:33:21.420
us home in his car sometimes when we were...

00:33:22.460 --> 00:33:25.400
walking to school. But we never rode bikes to

00:33:25.400 --> 00:33:28.299
school. You had no money for those? Oh, I don't

00:33:28.299 --> 00:33:31.440
think so. No, we didn't have money. Did you ever

00:33:31.440 --> 00:33:34.279
go to the milk factory? At Berry I did. I don't

00:33:34.279 --> 00:33:36.359
remember much about that either, only that I

00:33:36.359 --> 00:33:41.599
do remember that my grandfather, Davis, took

00:33:41.599 --> 00:33:44.519
me over there one morning and I guess it was

00:33:44.519 --> 00:33:47.359
to get milk. My grandfather, Goodyear, had come

00:33:47.359 --> 00:33:49.920
in in his horse and cart. I do remember that.

00:33:50.019 --> 00:33:53.059
I remember... Grandpa Dave was talking to Grandpa

00:33:53.059 --> 00:33:56.220
Goodyear and I know I was there, so that's all

00:33:56.220 --> 00:33:58.839
I remember about that. I wouldn't have been very

00:33:58.839 --> 00:34:01.680
old when my grandfather Goodyear died either.

00:34:01.839 --> 00:34:04.799
He was James Goodyear, Jimmy Goodyear. When did

00:34:04.799 --> 00:34:07.920
you get married? We got married in 1960. You're

00:34:07.920 --> 00:34:11.800
21. And tell me where you got married. Bury Uniting

00:34:11.800 --> 00:34:14.679
Church or Bury Methodist Church. What sort of

00:34:14.679 --> 00:34:18.340
reception was there? We had a reception in the...

00:34:18.340 --> 00:34:21.760
Because those days, a lot of the churches did

00:34:21.760 --> 00:34:25.960
the catering for a person that went to the church.

00:34:26.179 --> 00:34:29.260
Well, Harry's parents went to that church too,

00:34:29.360 --> 00:34:32.940
but I really didn't realise who they were until

00:34:32.940 --> 00:34:37.090
I met Harry, so... I knew them because I was

00:34:37.090 --> 00:34:39.889
friendly with a lot of those people because a

00:34:39.889 --> 00:34:42.809
lot of the Kelletts went to the Berry Church.

00:34:43.190 --> 00:34:48.230
Where did he farm and who were his parents? Frank

00:34:48.230 --> 00:34:51.510
and Ruby Kellett and they farmed at Bundywallah.

00:34:51.590 --> 00:34:55.210
Then they shifted to Farmeadow. I think they

00:34:55.210 --> 00:34:58.429
went to Farmeadow and then Harry went to Camberwara.

00:34:58.889 --> 00:35:01.030
But he was single when he went to Camberwara.

00:35:01.230 --> 00:35:03.369
And what was he farming there? He was farming

00:35:03.369 --> 00:35:05.369
there. They had land there, didn't they? He had

00:35:05.369 --> 00:35:07.309
a little bit of land there, but it was hilly,

00:35:07.429 --> 00:35:10.989
all hilly. He bought that land? Yes. Then his

00:35:10.989 --> 00:35:13.269
father and mother had a farm out of Farmetto.

00:35:13.349 --> 00:35:16.750
The other brother had been farming in different

00:35:16.750 --> 00:35:19.389
farms around the Shullaven. Then they decided

00:35:19.389 --> 00:35:21.769
they were getting too old, so the brother came

00:35:21.769 --> 00:35:25.130
back to work on the farm. They decided that they

00:35:25.130 --> 00:35:28.059
needed two out there on that farm. and they bought

00:35:28.059 --> 00:35:31.440
different areas of... Well, we had Camberwara,

00:35:31.559 --> 00:35:35.039
so we used to bring cattle from Farmetta to Camberwara

00:35:35.039 --> 00:35:38.460
when the cows were dry. So you first went to

00:35:38.460 --> 00:35:40.940
Camberwara as a bride? Yes. Tell me a little

00:35:40.940 --> 00:35:43.440
bit about the property. It was hilly. Where was

00:35:43.440 --> 00:35:46.820
it located in Camberwara? It was in Tannery Road,

00:35:46.860 --> 00:35:49.460
and it was right up at the top end where the

00:35:49.460 --> 00:35:52.610
dam is. Presumably... the water for the narrow

00:35:52.610 --> 00:35:55.369
town, and the dam wasn't very far from the house.

00:35:55.530 --> 00:35:57.630
How big was that dam? Oh, it was fairly big.

00:35:58.090 --> 00:36:00.949
Every now and again they drain it, but they don't

00:36:00.949 --> 00:36:03.030
use it for town supply anymore. I don't know

00:36:03.030 --> 00:36:05.969
what they use it for, if anything. Was that your

00:36:05.969 --> 00:36:08.829
water supply as well? No. Where did you get your

00:36:08.829 --> 00:36:11.369
water? I think Harry got water out of a creek

00:36:11.369 --> 00:36:14.630
somewhere there. How many cows? Oh, not many.

00:36:15.070 --> 00:36:18.329
Maybe again about 30. We didn't milk many cows.

00:36:18.630 --> 00:36:22.480
Was there a silo there? No. Tell me about how

00:36:22.480 --> 00:36:26.420
it operated. I went to the dairy a bit, but he

00:36:26.420 --> 00:36:29.300
managed the dairy on his own. And you had a house

00:36:29.300 --> 00:36:33.460
there? Yes. And what are you doing? Sowing? Well,

00:36:33.659 --> 00:36:36.199
no, I wasn't sowing. I suppose I was only cooking.

00:36:36.900 --> 00:36:39.139
Yeah, well, that's enough. I know it is enough.

00:36:39.420 --> 00:36:41.699
What were you cooking on? Oh, well, it was a

00:36:41.699 --> 00:36:44.179
really old house, and we did have part of it

00:36:44.179 --> 00:36:49.440
remodelled, but nothing like they do today. I

00:36:49.440 --> 00:36:51.820
think we had a combustion stove when we started

00:36:51.820 --> 00:36:53.760
off with, I think I had a little elect. But the

00:36:53.760 --> 00:36:56.940
house was in two parts too when we first went

00:36:56.940 --> 00:37:00.380
up there, which was the thing that houses were

00:37:00.380 --> 00:37:03.039
because they never had the kitchen joined onto

00:37:03.039 --> 00:37:05.780
the main part of the house. So it was separated.

00:37:06.099 --> 00:37:09.119
We lived in that for a few months while we did

00:37:09.119 --> 00:37:11.860
the other half up and then we put a kitchen in

00:37:11.860 --> 00:37:14.960
the other half. What about toilets? Yeah, we

00:37:14.960 --> 00:37:18.340
had a bathroom and toilet and shower and everything.

00:37:18.559 --> 00:37:23.199
So a flush toilet to start with? You on septic?

00:37:23.940 --> 00:37:27.480
We might have been on septic out there. We were

00:37:27.480 --> 00:37:29.800
on septic at Farm Meadows, so we might have been

00:37:29.800 --> 00:37:32.539
septic out there. But to start off with, I think

00:37:32.539 --> 00:37:34.860
we were on pit toilet. And we were when I was

00:37:34.860 --> 00:37:37.679
on the farm at Maroo too. Who'd come and clear

00:37:37.679 --> 00:37:40.300
the pit or how did that work? Oh, well, I learnt

00:37:40.300 --> 00:37:43.199
to do it. My brother and I learnt to do it. Now,

00:37:43.219 --> 00:37:45.420
tell me how that worked. I want to know. Well,

00:37:45.420 --> 00:37:50.000
you dig a hole and take the pan out to it and

00:37:50.000 --> 00:37:53.000
tip it in and fill it up. So how big was the

00:37:53.000 --> 00:37:55.519
tin? Probably the size of a four -gallon drop

00:37:55.519 --> 00:37:58.099
because we had to do that when Dad and Mum were

00:37:58.099 --> 00:38:02.079
away. Well, there was nobody else there. We didn't

00:38:02.079 --> 00:38:05.480
ask Grandma to do it or Mum's cousin to do it.

00:38:05.519 --> 00:38:07.780
I remember doing that at Maroo. We didn't do

00:38:07.780 --> 00:38:10.960
it at Farmeadow, I know that. But maybe there

00:38:10.960 --> 00:38:15.000
was a system out at Farmeadow. I think it was

00:38:15.000 --> 00:38:17.400
flush, probably a septic out there. Can't remember

00:38:17.400 --> 00:38:20.260
where it was. Everybody would have used pits,

00:38:20.400 --> 00:38:22.920
I would think. They were separate from the house?

00:38:23.119 --> 00:38:26.780
Yes. Was it scary? No, you'd just get used to

00:38:26.780 --> 00:38:30.079
it. And again, it's not like today. There was

00:38:30.079 --> 00:38:33.159
nobody around, you know. A lot of the farms now

00:38:33.159 --> 00:38:36.480
are chopped up into blocks and so you've got

00:38:36.480 --> 00:38:40.519
a neighbour 100 yards away. But the town used

00:38:40.519 --> 00:38:43.800
to have a pan man come through. I can remember

00:38:43.800 --> 00:38:47.679
that in Bury. I can remember it out at Gerringong

00:38:47.679 --> 00:38:50.460
at my aunt's. He didn't dig a hole, I know that.

00:38:50.539 --> 00:38:53.059
He took it somewhere, but yes, we had to dig

00:38:53.059 --> 00:38:55.510
a hole. But the pan man would have collected

00:38:55.510 --> 00:38:58.090
everyone. Yes, that's right. What about pubs?

00:38:58.090 --> 00:39:02.369
Any family drink? No. No drinking? No. That's

00:39:02.369 --> 00:39:06.449
good. Well. Saves a bit of drama. Did you drink

00:39:06.449 --> 00:39:10.289
alcohol? Probably a little bit, but when we were

00:39:10.289 --> 00:39:12.840
younger. But as we got older, we didn't bother.

00:39:13.099 --> 00:39:15.280
Do you remember some of the... Do you call them

00:39:15.280 --> 00:39:19.000
reverends or ministers or the clergymen? I remember

00:39:19.000 --> 00:39:21.480
Mr Bate because he married us, but I've gotten

00:39:21.480 --> 00:39:24.480
to know a lot since. What did you call your community?

00:39:25.039 --> 00:39:28.780
Your parish or...? Oh, I suppose that, but that's

00:39:28.780 --> 00:39:31.380
all changed too. I don't know whether we call

00:39:31.380 --> 00:39:34.019
them parishes anymore or whether they're what

00:39:34.019 --> 00:39:37.119
they are, but I belong to a group of ladies and

00:39:37.119 --> 00:39:42.420
we call ourselves a synod group. But it is connected

00:39:42.420 --> 00:39:45.139
to the church, but I'm the only one that goes

00:39:45.139 --> 00:39:49.199
to it. But it's a New South Wales one, but a

00:39:49.199 --> 00:39:53.500
lot of the time it's on Skype and I'm on the

00:39:53.500 --> 00:39:56.760
phone. Yes. Because I don't have a computer.

00:39:57.420 --> 00:40:00.059
But I know who they all are because I meet them.

00:40:00.340 --> 00:40:04.039
It's only since COVID that all this has changed.

00:40:04.280 --> 00:40:08.199
Just getting back to Canberra. Yes. So what memories

00:40:08.199 --> 00:40:10.380
do you have there? Your husband did his thing.

00:40:10.440 --> 00:40:12.300
Did you ever have to help in the dairy? Yes,

00:40:12.300 --> 00:40:15.400
I did. Did you have to tie their legs up or anything?

00:40:15.579 --> 00:40:18.659
Yes, yes. If they kicked you, you did. Yeah,

00:40:18.719 --> 00:40:20.760
so you're still working that way on a stool?

00:40:20.900 --> 00:40:24.820
What are you doing? Yes, yes. Milking? Milking.

00:40:25.420 --> 00:40:28.519
And we did have machines out there. We did have

00:40:28.519 --> 00:40:31.340
machines on the farm too before Dad sold the

00:40:31.340 --> 00:40:37.480
farm. Were they operating on power? Yes, yes.

00:40:37.920 --> 00:40:41.579
And, yes, you put the cow in and you put some

00:40:41.579 --> 00:40:45.320
feed in front of her and then you tied her in

00:40:45.320 --> 00:40:47.739
the bale and tied the leg if she kicked you.

00:40:47.840 --> 00:40:50.500
Before I was married, I went and helped a friend

00:40:50.500 --> 00:40:56.119
for about six weeks on a farm and it was the

00:40:56.119 --> 00:40:59.199
same thing there, you know. It was walk -through

00:40:59.199 --> 00:41:02.900
dairies. They're milking thousands of cows now

00:41:02.900 --> 00:41:06.599
on rotaries and I've got a friend that I've been

00:41:06.599 --> 00:41:10.940
in his dairy and it's rotary and it's a totally

00:41:10.940 --> 00:41:14.320
different ball game. So the cows were coming

00:41:14.320 --> 00:41:17.880
from Farm Meadow, your cows at Camberwara? Oh,

00:41:17.880 --> 00:41:23.719
yes. No, we sold our cows at Camberwara before

00:41:23.719 --> 00:41:26.500
we shifted to Berry, to Farm Meadow. How long

00:41:26.500 --> 00:41:29.599
were you at Camberwara? I think it was about

00:41:29.599 --> 00:41:32.059
four years. Harry was there longer than that.

00:41:32.099 --> 00:41:34.280
I can't remember how long he was there, but I

00:41:34.280 --> 00:41:36.679
was only there about four years. And the milk

00:41:36.679 --> 00:41:40.059
would go to? Bombardieri. So who was collecting

00:41:40.059 --> 00:41:46.400
the milk at Canberra? Curly Hanson. Curly Hanson?

00:41:46.679 --> 00:41:49.780
Yes. What was he like to you? Was he a big bloke?

00:41:49.960 --> 00:41:52.380
Yes, he was a big bloke and he was a bit of a

00:41:52.380 --> 00:41:55.920
character. Easy to get along with. Came from

00:41:55.920 --> 00:41:58.989
Bombardieri. Whilst you were at Canberra, what

00:41:58.989 --> 00:42:02.349
children did you have? I had two children then,

00:42:02.489 --> 00:42:06.889
Jane and Wendy. How old were they then? Wendy

00:42:06.889 --> 00:42:11.309
would have been about 18 months, I think, when

00:42:11.309 --> 00:42:14.690
we left Canberra. Jane, of course, was older.

00:42:15.369 --> 00:42:19.070
How did you feel leaving Canberra? Well, at the

00:42:19.070 --> 00:42:21.170
time it sounded as though it was going to be

00:42:21.170 --> 00:42:25.789
better for us, but I did like Canberra to live

00:42:25.789 --> 00:42:28.469
out. rather than Berry, but we had good neighbours

00:42:28.469 --> 00:42:32.289
at Berry, so I probably shouldn't complain. So

00:42:32.289 --> 00:42:35.230
why did you have to move to Farm Meadow? Because

00:42:35.230 --> 00:42:38.389
the farm out there needed two people in the dairy

00:42:38.389 --> 00:42:42.110
and we couldn't make enough on our farm at Canberra,

00:42:42.409 --> 00:42:46.130
so it was suggested that we go to live at Farm

00:42:46.130 --> 00:42:49.730
Meadow. And who was farming there? Harry and

00:42:49.730 --> 00:42:53.489
his brother. And what's his brother's name? Brother

00:42:53.489 --> 00:42:57.989
Robert. And his wife, Elaine. And they had three

00:42:57.989 --> 00:43:02.789
children. And they lived in town. And we lived

00:43:02.789 --> 00:43:05.210
on the farm. And what cows are you milking there?

00:43:05.269 --> 00:43:09.010
How big's the herd? Oh, a hundred head. Around

00:43:09.010 --> 00:43:11.510
about that. Maybe it went a bit over the hundred.

00:43:12.269 --> 00:43:16.050
Depended on the season. And possibly when cows

00:43:16.050 --> 00:43:19.929
were calving. Holsteins? Holsteins and Guernseys.

00:43:20.630 --> 00:43:25.530
And we had the Guernseys because... We knew a

00:43:25.530 --> 00:43:28.510
person that was selling his Guernseys and they

00:43:28.510 --> 00:43:32.070
decided to buy the Guernseys and start showing

00:43:32.070 --> 00:43:34.849
the registered cattle. Do you know who or where

00:43:34.849 --> 00:43:37.769
they bought them? Yes, they bought them off Alex

00:43:37.769 --> 00:43:42.309
Rutledge. Okay, so what era are we talking about

00:43:42.309 --> 00:43:49.010
here? It was between 1960 and 1980 that we farmed

00:43:49.010 --> 00:43:51.710
at Farm Meadow. But you still kept Canberra?

00:43:53.000 --> 00:43:56.199
Yes, not all the time because we sold Kambawara

00:43:56.199 --> 00:44:00.059
and replaced it with another piece of land out

00:44:00.059 --> 00:44:04.039
near Farmita that joined our farm. So what's

00:44:04.039 --> 00:44:08.059
your address at Farmita? 127 Koolangatta Road.

00:44:08.400 --> 00:44:10.900
So how much acreage did that bring you up to?

00:44:11.659 --> 00:44:16.079
Maybe all up, maybe 200 acres, and that's a rough

00:44:16.079 --> 00:44:20.139
guess. And what about flooding? Because it does

00:44:20.139 --> 00:44:23.210
flood around there. Yes, it flooded at the back

00:44:23.210 --> 00:44:26.190
from Swamp Road back to our place. You can't

00:44:26.190 --> 00:44:28.449
get away from the swamp? No, we can't get away

00:44:28.449 --> 00:44:31.389
from the swamp. Is that useless land, that kind

00:44:31.389 --> 00:44:33.469
of land, do you think? Well, it wasn't because

00:44:33.469 --> 00:44:36.929
possibly when we had a good season, the cows

00:44:36.929 --> 00:44:39.670
would go down there and graze. But there was

00:44:39.670 --> 00:44:42.989
a lot of sour grass type stuff down there. What

00:44:42.989 --> 00:44:47.369
are you growing? Well, we grew corn at Koolangatta.

00:44:47.650 --> 00:44:50.980
How did you store the corn? Oh, in a pit. So

00:44:50.980 --> 00:44:53.619
in a pit above ground? Above ground and covered

00:44:53.619 --> 00:44:57.159
with a tarpaulin. With the tyres? With the tyres.

00:44:57.400 --> 00:45:00.599
You never buried corn? Not that I know of. I

00:45:00.599 --> 00:45:03.320
don't remember it being buried out there. What

00:45:03.320 --> 00:45:05.519
was your house like? A really old house with

00:45:05.519 --> 00:45:09.460
a big kitchen, a lounge room and about five bedrooms.

00:45:09.820 --> 00:45:12.539
How many children did you end up having? Four

00:45:12.539 --> 00:45:17.320
children after we went to Farm Edo. And their

00:45:17.320 --> 00:45:21.059
names? David and Melissa. What years were the

00:45:21.059 --> 00:45:26.000
kids born? David was 1965 and Melissa was 68.

00:45:26.500 --> 00:45:29.559
And the eldest girl was...? Because they were

00:45:29.559 --> 00:45:34.679
born at Canberra, that was 60 and 62. Yeah, OK.

00:45:34.940 --> 00:45:37.500
So the other two were born at Farmeadow. So I'm

00:45:37.500 --> 00:45:40.420
at Farmeadow now. OK. So don't go back to Canberra.

00:45:40.739 --> 00:45:43.159
The only thing I want to go back to is I've seen

00:45:43.159 --> 00:45:46.900
a photo of your husband in a rugby league. Who

00:45:46.900 --> 00:45:50.380
did he play for? He played for Bury Rugby League

00:45:50.380 --> 00:45:53.880
Football Club. In the 50s, was it? In the 50s,

00:45:53.880 --> 00:45:58.579
yes. I know they won three premierships, I think

00:45:58.579 --> 00:46:02.679
three years in a row in the 50s. But I never

00:46:02.679 --> 00:46:06.440
saw him play football because when he shifted

00:46:06.440 --> 00:46:09.500
to Canberra, he had to play with Kangaroo Valley.

00:46:09.840 --> 00:46:13.800
He was burying it on his own. So he really couldn't

00:46:13.800 --> 00:46:16.579
go over to the valley and play football. And

00:46:16.579 --> 00:46:19.000
he wasn't allowed to play in Berry anyway because

00:46:19.000 --> 00:46:23.000
that was the boundary. Things have changed now,

00:46:23.099 --> 00:46:26.039
as everybody will know. They can play anywhere.

00:46:26.460 --> 00:46:28.719
Do you know what position he played and what

00:46:28.719 --> 00:46:32.219
division? Oh, he played A grade, but I think

00:46:32.219 --> 00:46:34.599
he was a forward. When you were at Camberwara,

00:46:34.679 --> 00:46:36.840
what about friends or neighbours? Do you remember

00:46:36.840 --> 00:46:39.239
some of your farms around you and the family?

00:46:39.320 --> 00:46:41.599
Yes, the Griffiths were across the creek from

00:46:41.599 --> 00:46:44.820
us and the Sobers were on the other side of us.

00:46:44.940 --> 00:46:48.360
They were the close neighbours. And they're dairying?

00:46:48.539 --> 00:46:51.400
They were both dairying, yes. You were a member

00:46:51.400 --> 00:46:53.719
of the co -op? Yes, they were a member of the

00:46:53.719 --> 00:46:57.619
dairy co -op. And going back then, Camberwara,

00:46:57.760 --> 00:47:02.599
we belonged to Shellhaven Dairy Company. Well,

00:47:02.599 --> 00:47:05.340
you could buy feed there, butter, those sort

00:47:05.340 --> 00:47:08.619
of things you could buy there. But because we

00:47:08.619 --> 00:47:11.219
had our own cows, we didn't worry about cream.

00:47:11.639 --> 00:47:14.840
Were you ever separating milk? No, not there.

00:47:15.159 --> 00:47:21.139
But you have? Yes. At Maroo? Yes. A cream separator?

00:47:21.440 --> 00:47:24.159
Well, I don't remember a great deal about the

00:47:24.159 --> 00:47:26.900
separator, but I do know it was there and I know

00:47:26.900 --> 00:47:31.690
milk used to come into it. It was divided, the

00:47:31.690 --> 00:47:35.909
milk was divided, separated somehow. But we used

00:47:35.909 --> 00:47:38.849
to make our own butter down at the farm at Maroo,

00:47:38.889 --> 00:47:42.309
but we had a churn. So we'd bring the cream up

00:47:42.309 --> 00:47:45.150
and put it in the churn. And my brothers and

00:47:45.150 --> 00:47:48.769
I had to turn the churn. That was always a fight,

00:47:48.949 --> 00:47:51.690
because nobody liked doing it, because you'd

00:47:51.690 --> 00:47:54.170
be winding this handle for ages. Your kids are

00:47:54.170 --> 00:47:56.409
growing up, are they? What school are they going

00:47:56.409 --> 00:48:00.769
to? They all went to Berry Public School and

00:48:00.769 --> 00:48:04.869
then they went to Bomaderry High School. A bus

00:48:04.869 --> 00:48:06.829
had picked them up? And a bus would pick them

00:48:06.829 --> 00:48:10.150
up. On Coolangatta Road? On Coolangatta Road,

00:48:10.429 --> 00:48:13.429
yes. What are you thinking about? Are you thinking

00:48:13.429 --> 00:48:16.989
about going to work at this stage? Yes, I decided

00:48:16.989 --> 00:48:21.590
to go to work. Around about 72, I went and worked

00:48:21.590 --> 00:48:24.610
as a cook at the Berry Training Farm, government

00:48:24.610 --> 00:48:27.869
farm. where they milked cows as well because

00:48:27.869 --> 00:48:30.610
the boys there had to work in the dairies. These

00:48:30.610 --> 00:48:34.630
boys all came from broken homes and all that

00:48:34.630 --> 00:48:37.829
sort of thing. Don't really know a lot about

00:48:37.829 --> 00:48:40.730
the boys. I do know one boy that left there and

00:48:40.730 --> 00:48:44.530
went and worked on a property beside Harry's

00:48:44.530 --> 00:48:46.989
parents and Harry and him were pretty good buddies

00:48:46.989 --> 00:48:50.050
to the end of their lives. They were from everywhere,

00:48:50.170 --> 00:48:52.349
all over the state. So cooking, what are you

00:48:52.349 --> 00:48:54.869
cooking for them and where? Oh, that was about...

00:48:55.039 --> 00:48:58.380
I thought about 60 kids, but maybe it wasn't

00:48:58.380 --> 00:49:00.820
that many. There were two houses. One house was

00:49:00.820 --> 00:49:03.440
called Cool and Gatter and the other house was

00:49:03.440 --> 00:49:06.179
called Shellhaven. And it was like a big dormitory

00:49:06.179 --> 00:49:09.699
that the boys all slept in. But they always made...

00:49:09.699 --> 00:49:12.159
The lady in the kitchen had to have at least

00:49:12.159 --> 00:49:14.719
four boys in the kitchen. They were presumably

00:49:14.719 --> 00:49:18.699
supposed to help the cook. Most of the time they

00:49:18.699 --> 00:49:21.760
were a bigger hindrance than a help, but that's

00:49:21.760 --> 00:49:24.940
beside the point. So I had to try and teach them

00:49:24.940 --> 00:49:28.860
things, and they hated it. I never had any kids

00:49:28.860 --> 00:49:31.360
in there that really liked doing it. And if they

00:49:31.360 --> 00:49:33.579
had any chance of taking the garbage out, they'd

00:49:33.579 --> 00:49:36.460
hide behind the garbage bin, hiding from me,

00:49:36.480 --> 00:49:38.860
they thought. But I could see them out the window

00:49:38.860 --> 00:49:41.099
most of the time. And how long were you there?

00:49:41.340 --> 00:49:43.699
Twelve months. You only stayed a year? I only

00:49:43.699 --> 00:49:45.960
stayed a year, yes, because I think the lady

00:49:45.960 --> 00:49:48.880
I relieved came back. So where did you go from

00:49:48.880 --> 00:49:51.760
there? I then went to Koolangatta, and I worked

00:49:51.760 --> 00:49:54.860
for the bishops. Yes. And what were you doing

00:49:54.860 --> 00:49:59.179
up there? I was a motel cleaner. When I first

00:49:59.179 --> 00:50:01.960
started, there were buses come in from Victoria

00:50:01.960 --> 00:50:05.199
and they'd have morning tea at Koolangatta. I

00:50:05.199 --> 00:50:06.960
mean, they'd had breakfast dinner and tea all

00:50:06.960 --> 00:50:10.579
the way up the coast, but when they got to Koolangatta,

00:50:10.760 --> 00:50:15.519
they'd have morning tea and sometimes, unexpectedly,

00:50:16.139 --> 00:50:19.639
the bus would turn up and sometimes we weren't

00:50:19.639 --> 00:50:22.750
prepared. So I used to end up down in the restaurant

00:50:22.750 --> 00:50:26.670
trying to get morning tea out for those people.

00:50:27.510 --> 00:50:30.190
It would be there, but it wasn't always prepared,

00:50:30.250 --> 00:50:33.730
so we had to get in recruits, and they always

00:50:33.730 --> 00:50:36.889
came from up at the motel. How many rooms at

00:50:36.889 --> 00:50:40.590
the motel? 30. They weren't all in a row. There

00:50:40.590 --> 00:50:43.489
were a group of six, there were a group of four,

00:50:43.730 --> 00:50:47.920
there was a group of three, there was one. which

00:50:47.920 --> 00:50:50.139
was called the Convy Cottage. And I think there

00:50:50.139 --> 00:50:52.300
was another group of five. There was another

00:50:52.300 --> 00:50:55.019
separate one as well. But they were all over

00:50:55.019 --> 00:50:58.619
the place. They weren't in a big long row where

00:50:58.619 --> 00:51:00.920
it was easy. I was in the village, all around

00:51:00.920 --> 00:51:03.619
the village, yes. All around the main house.

00:51:03.860 --> 00:51:06.099
You were there for how long? I was at Koolangatta

00:51:06.099 --> 00:51:09.239
for 20 years. That's a long time. And in that

00:51:09.239 --> 00:51:12.840
20 years, they started a bush banquet night.

00:51:13.260 --> 00:51:16.159
Might have been every week. Then I became...

00:51:16.489 --> 00:51:20.789
A waitress. I did that as well as doing the units

00:51:20.789 --> 00:51:23.829
of a daytime. And then finally, a little while

00:51:23.829 --> 00:51:28.110
before I left, we'd started a breakfast for the

00:51:28.110 --> 00:51:31.630
guests. Instead of breakfast in their rooms,

00:51:31.730 --> 00:51:35.530
we started breakfast. And I was a breakfast cook.

00:51:35.730 --> 00:51:38.349
And I think we had to allocate for about 100.

00:51:38.829 --> 00:51:40.889
Who's still around the bishops today that you

00:51:40.889 --> 00:51:43.989
might keep in contact with all? I don't really.

00:51:44.570 --> 00:51:47.269
have much to do with them, but I do see them

00:51:47.269 --> 00:51:51.570
now and again. What are their names? Paul, Bruce,

00:51:51.829 --> 00:51:55.829
Robin, Megan and Greg. They're all siblings,

00:51:55.969 --> 00:51:58.710
are they? Yes. And was it a big operation? Were

00:51:58.710 --> 00:52:01.570
there a lot of staff? Oh, well, yes. There were

00:52:01.570 --> 00:52:05.469
probably about six cleaners from time to time,

00:52:05.510 --> 00:52:08.050
but you wouldn't use six cleaners every day.

00:52:08.170 --> 00:52:10.949
You were rostered on. In the restaurant there

00:52:10.949 --> 00:52:12.969
were quite a few because you had to have a chef.

00:52:14.239 --> 00:52:16.800
barmen, waitresses, and they were in the same

00:52:16.800 --> 00:52:19.920
situation, rostered on, and I have no idea how

00:52:19.920 --> 00:52:22.340
many of those there were. When did the golf course

00:52:22.340 --> 00:52:25.079
come into play? Yes, the golf course was in my

00:52:25.079 --> 00:52:27.880
time. That was ran separately, was it, to you?

00:52:28.260 --> 00:52:31.619
No, no, it was run through the office, from the

00:52:31.619 --> 00:52:35.659
office. Their maintenance men did the golf course

00:52:35.659 --> 00:52:39.710
as well. Tom Prosser. was Prosser. He was a maintenance

00:52:39.710 --> 00:52:42.409
man and he was good. So tell me about how you

00:52:42.409 --> 00:52:44.769
get to work. Were you driving then? Oh yes, I

00:52:44.769 --> 00:52:48.849
had a licence from when I was 17. So I was driving

00:52:48.849 --> 00:52:51.349
all the time. I drove myself to work. Sometimes

00:52:51.349 --> 00:52:54.030
I rode the bike to work because when we shifted

00:52:54.030 --> 00:52:56.849
to Shelavon Heads I was only down the road. So

00:52:56.849 --> 00:53:00.559
you meant a motorbike? No, a pushbike. So tell

00:53:00.559 --> 00:53:02.900
me, you got your licence, was that just from

00:53:02.900 --> 00:53:05.539
a Corn Flakes box or did you...? Nearly, no.

00:53:05.679 --> 00:53:09.260
I did go to Naira and get a licence like any

00:53:09.260 --> 00:53:11.480
normal person would have. And they were issued

00:53:11.480 --> 00:53:15.820
by the state? RTA or something. Oh, yes, I had

00:53:15.820 --> 00:53:17.880
to hurry because my brother was close behind

00:53:17.880 --> 00:53:21.239
my heels and I couldn't get the licence quick

00:53:21.239 --> 00:53:23.719
enough, otherwise if he'd had his and I wouldn't

00:53:23.719 --> 00:53:26.239
have, that would have been dreadful. You moved

00:53:26.239 --> 00:53:29.699
off Farmeadow, why? Because both boys were getting

00:53:29.699 --> 00:53:33.320
sick of dairying. They both had sons. Well, we

00:53:33.320 --> 00:53:36.440
had one and they had two, but ours didn't want

00:53:36.440 --> 00:53:39.980
to stay on the farm. And his son had left the

00:53:39.980 --> 00:53:42.559
farm before that because he was working on the

00:53:42.559 --> 00:53:45.380
farm. And he'd left the farm, so then the boys

00:53:45.380 --> 00:53:48.760
decided that they didn't want to carry on. So

00:53:48.760 --> 00:53:52.079
they sold all their cattle, sold the farm, and

00:53:52.079 --> 00:53:55.739
we shifted to Haven Hills. That was sort of around

00:53:55.739 --> 00:53:59.500
the early 80s? Yes. And you had a house built,

00:53:59.619 --> 00:54:01.820
did you? We had a house built. Tell me how that

00:54:01.820 --> 00:54:05.420
worked. You designed it? Yes. How was that arranged?

00:54:06.139 --> 00:54:09.260
Through a fellow that was a neighbour, but he

00:54:09.260 --> 00:54:12.980
was a builder. He built out there, out at Farmedo.

00:54:13.079 --> 00:54:15.699
He built the house for us. What was his name?

00:54:16.500 --> 00:54:20.320
Bruce Burrows. And you had an idea of what you

00:54:20.320 --> 00:54:22.579
wanted with him? Yes, we had an idea of what

00:54:22.579 --> 00:54:25.380
we wanted. Was that kind of your retirement house?

00:54:26.340 --> 00:54:29.809
Well... I don't know. When we shifted out there,

00:54:29.969 --> 00:54:33.710
things happened along the road. So that's why

00:54:33.710 --> 00:54:37.789
we left Chilovan Heads. I had a mother sick and

00:54:37.789 --> 00:54:41.409
I had a grandchild born 28 weeks or something.

00:54:41.570 --> 00:54:45.429
And they all needed help. So we decided, I got

00:54:45.429 --> 00:54:48.230
sick of travelling, so we decided to come into

00:54:48.230 --> 00:54:50.670
here. Yes, we're on the north side of the highway

00:54:50.670 --> 00:54:54.139
on Bomaderry Creek. It's a bit different, this

00:54:54.139 --> 00:54:55.679
side. I bet it was different. How long have you

00:54:55.679 --> 00:55:00.000
been here? 25 years. So it's a bit different,

00:55:00.059 --> 00:55:01.900
isn't it? I bet it was different when you arrived

00:55:01.900 --> 00:55:05.699
here. I put an Anglican school up the road. The

00:55:05.699 --> 00:55:09.719
TAFE has been always in the place it is still

00:55:09.719 --> 00:55:14.440
situated. But the highway traffic is absolutely

00:55:14.440 --> 00:55:18.199
atrocious. So how do you get across? Well, you

00:55:18.199 --> 00:55:20.920
run a risk. A lot of the time I have to run.

00:55:21.420 --> 00:55:23.039
Because you get a bus there, don't you? Yes,

00:55:23.039 --> 00:55:25.920
I catch the bus into town when I can, only to

00:55:25.920 --> 00:55:28.860
make sure the buses continue to run, because

00:55:28.860 --> 00:55:31.340
as you get older, if you can't drive your car,

00:55:31.400 --> 00:55:33.860
well, you need some sort of transport. And the

00:55:33.860 --> 00:55:38.920
taxis now are atrocious, so you wouldn't want

00:55:38.920 --> 00:55:42.119
to be relying on them. Tell me some of your volunteer

00:55:42.119 --> 00:55:46.019
organisations that you've worked in and still

00:55:46.019 --> 00:55:49.519
do. Well, I've worked with Meals on Wheels, but

00:55:49.519 --> 00:55:52.539
I don't do that anymore. I joined Red Cross when

00:55:52.539 --> 00:55:55.619
we came to Shelhaven Heads. I've continued to

00:55:55.619 --> 00:55:59.420
stay with Red Cross, so now I belong to Narra.

00:55:59.539 --> 00:56:02.639
I've always volunteered around the church, like

00:56:02.639 --> 00:56:06.380
at the op shop. You were in the caravan club.

00:56:06.460 --> 00:56:08.599
Oh, yes, we were in a caravan club for about

00:56:08.599 --> 00:56:11.320
20 years. Because you travelled a bit. We travelled

00:56:11.320 --> 00:56:14.579
a lot. When you were at Shelhaven? Yes. We've

00:56:14.579 --> 00:56:17.019
travelled around Australia, yes. We've crossed

00:56:17.019 --> 00:56:19.699
the Nullarbor five times. and we've done a fair

00:56:19.699 --> 00:56:23.300
bit of travelling. After I worked at Kool and

00:56:23.300 --> 00:56:25.840
Gadda, or while I was working at Kool and Gadda,

00:56:26.000 --> 00:56:31.900
I decided that I had a chance to get my heavy

00:56:31.900 --> 00:56:37.119
vehicle licence. Robert Wilson, the bus company,

00:56:37.179 --> 00:56:41.420
or Gordon Wilson, his father, they had a small

00:56:41.420 --> 00:56:44.679
bus that ran between Shellhaven, Hensonbury with

00:56:44.679 --> 00:56:47.940
the school kids. I'd said to Bob, if you... You

00:56:47.940 --> 00:56:50.460
know, I wouldn't mind because his wife had to

00:56:50.460 --> 00:56:53.099
leave and I was going to take over from her.

00:56:53.400 --> 00:56:57.300
I went and got my licence on the bus. I was only

00:56:57.300 --> 00:57:00.480
driving the little bus, the 23 -seater. So I

00:57:00.480 --> 00:57:03.380
drove it for a couple of years and that was an

00:57:03.380 --> 00:57:05.900
experience and a half because the kids used to

00:57:05.900 --> 00:57:08.219
string me up the tree and then chop it down when

00:57:08.219 --> 00:57:11.219
I got to the top. But one day when I was taking

00:57:11.219 --> 00:57:14.340
the kids to school across Swamp Road, it was

00:57:14.340 --> 00:57:17.070
flooded. And I got to the top of the hill, and

00:57:17.070 --> 00:57:18.909
I could see it was flooded right across, and

00:57:18.909 --> 00:57:21.150
I said to the kids, well, we're going to have

00:57:21.150 --> 00:57:23.030
to turn around and go back through Shellhaven

00:57:23.030 --> 00:57:25.969
Heads. And I was supposed to meet Bob at another

00:57:25.969 --> 00:57:29.170
intersection. And I said, we won't do that, so

00:57:29.170 --> 00:57:31.829
I'll probably have to take you to school. Oh,

00:57:31.869 --> 00:57:33.670
no, you don't have to do that, Mrs. Kellett.

00:57:33.789 --> 00:57:35.849
You just drive the bus through the water. And

00:57:35.849 --> 00:57:38.949
I said, what? Oh, no, that's all you do. So we

00:57:38.949 --> 00:57:41.309
got into the water. Luckily, I'd had experience

00:57:41.309 --> 00:57:44.320
with water. And then we come. must have been

00:57:44.320 --> 00:57:48.239
about a mile, and we got to a culvert. And then

00:57:48.239 --> 00:57:50.199
they said, well, you'll have to stop here because,

00:57:50.239 --> 00:57:52.579
Bob, we used to get us out to see if there were

00:57:52.579 --> 00:57:55.500
planks on this little bridge. And I said, well,

00:57:55.519 --> 00:57:57.480
there's no way you're getting out with me because

00:57:57.480 --> 00:58:02.320
I'm not stopping. If one goes, we all go. I could

00:58:02.320 --> 00:58:04.199
see out the front and I could see the planks

00:58:04.199 --> 00:58:06.760
were all there, so I got across. Still had to

00:58:06.760 --> 00:58:08.559
go to Bombardier. He got into Bombardier and

00:58:08.559 --> 00:58:10.739
Bob said, where have you been? And I said, and

00:58:10.739 --> 00:58:13.300
he said, I've never driven in the floodwater.

00:58:13.760 --> 00:58:17.239
That was the first mistake. Not that it worried

00:58:17.239 --> 00:58:22.019
Bob, but the kids. So I just had to think a lot

00:58:22.019 --> 00:58:25.440
about what the kids were coming to tell me after

00:58:25.440 --> 00:58:27.880
that. I'm a bit worried about what happened with

00:58:27.880 --> 00:58:31.880
this tree. The tree? When they hung you up. Oh,

00:58:31.880 --> 00:58:35.219
that's a joke. Oh, okay. They'd take you to the

00:58:35.219 --> 00:58:37.139
top of the tree and chop it down. Well, that's

00:58:37.139 --> 00:58:39.199
right. They've always got, they're playing with

00:58:39.199 --> 00:58:41.739
you, aren't they? And then I drove the taxi for

00:58:41.739 --> 00:58:44.579
Robert, for Bob for a while. Then his father

00:58:44.579 --> 00:58:47.619
came back on and did a lot of it because I decided

00:58:47.619 --> 00:58:50.539
that, well, his father was there driving and

00:58:50.539 --> 00:58:53.579
I didn't need to. But I did, when we had the

00:58:53.579 --> 00:58:57.380
bus, I did the high school kids run and then

00:58:57.380 --> 00:58:59.699
I did the primary school kids run into Bury.

00:59:00.320 --> 00:59:02.719
And then they had a taxi and I used to do it

00:59:02.719 --> 00:59:05.179
in the taxi because the kids, the numbers went

00:59:05.179 --> 00:59:07.659
down. So I don't know how many years I worked

00:59:07.659 --> 00:59:12.000
for Bob. but it was a few, three or four or something.

00:59:12.920 --> 00:59:20.039
So then I had my big truck licence. So then one

00:59:20.039 --> 00:59:21.940
year when we were in Adelaide, a friend said,

00:59:22.119 --> 00:59:27.539
who I'd helped for 17 years, said, when we go

00:59:27.539 --> 00:59:30.480
to Melbourne this year, he had nobody else, only

00:59:30.480 --> 00:59:33.500
Harry and I, I think. Well, you can drive the

00:59:33.500 --> 00:59:36.909
truck because... I'll start off and I'll get

00:59:36.909 --> 00:59:39.269
tired because it's a long way between Adelaide

00:59:39.269 --> 00:59:44.710
and Melbourne and we do it in one day. So I actually

00:59:44.710 --> 00:59:48.570
drove the truck twice, once going and once coming

00:59:48.570 --> 00:59:52.650
back to where they lived at Mount Gambier. And

00:59:52.650 --> 00:59:54.829
what are you carrying? Eight head of cattle.

00:59:56.489 --> 01:00:00.630
Livestock. So then when I drove the bus for Uniting

01:00:00.630 --> 01:00:04.579
Care, which was in about 2000, The first time

01:00:04.579 --> 01:00:07.340
I drove that, the ladies in there or people in

01:00:07.340 --> 01:00:10.920
the retirement village had never seen a lady

01:00:10.920 --> 01:00:13.840
drive a bus. I backed into where we had to pick

01:00:13.840 --> 01:00:16.579
them up. When I got in, they said, where have

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you driven? And I said, oh, well, the last drive

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was a truck between Melbourne and Adelaide or

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something for a couple of hours with cattle on.

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So the smart lady in the back seat said, moo.

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So that's what I mean about people joking with

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you. Been a bit smart. So then I drove that bus

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for 20 years. I think I was 82 when I last drove

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it. They paid you for that, didn't they? No,

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I was a volunteer. Oh. I've only ever done volunteering

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work. It's an extraordinary commitment. Whereabouts

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in Shoalhaven did you live? Scott Street. You

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were in town anyway and it was a different environment

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from the farm because I'd never lived in town

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really. This is at Shoalhaven Heads? This is

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Shoalhaven Heads. And when you say town, you

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mean Bury? No, just living in town. We've always

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lived on a farm. We lived on a farm for probably

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70 -odd years, I don't know. Yes. That was life

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then, and I don't think people went and had a

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cup of coffee with every Joe Blow around the

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countryside when we were young, because we only

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went to town once a week, probably. If we did

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go to town, sometimes we had lunch in town. But

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we didn't go to town like people do today. When

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I first went to Shilhaven Heads, I heard a neighbour

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said that, and I was playing tennis at the time,

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well, she wasn't going to cook Friday night because

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she never cooks Friday night. And I wondered

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why, but apparently this is what townies did.

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So I just had to... Not that I changed my times.

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I still cooked, but I was just amused at the

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way town people lived compared to what the country

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people lived. And I think it's probably still

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the same today. What about your tennis? Now,

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you liked tennis. Oh, yes, I played tennis when

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I was young. You've mentioned it, I think, yes.

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What about at Shoalhaven Heads? What were you

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doing there? I played tennis there too, but then

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I went from tennis to hockey when I went to...

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Farm Meadow, I decided to play hockey as a chain.

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And then I had a season of cricket. I think I

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had a season of basketball. And then I had quite

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a few years playing touch football. And where's

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all this happening? Oh, mainly in Bury, Shelhaven

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Heads or Narra. Was it fun? Yes, we all enjoyed

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ourselves. But I preferred touch football to

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all the other sports. I think we played for a

01:02:50.869 --> 01:02:54.219
Heads team and I played for a Narra team. About

01:02:54.219 --> 01:03:00.059
your husband's illness, and he was 90. And he

01:03:00.059 --> 01:03:05.320
had a stroke. He had a stroke at 90. Where? Here.

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At home? Mm. And what happened? Did he call the

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ambulance? Yes, because I knew straight away

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that he'd had a stroke, luckily. So I called

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the ambulance, and then in the next five years,

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that was what probably came against him. But

01:03:24.360 --> 01:03:26.539
when he was on the farm, he used to chaff up

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dry hay, and I think the dry hay dust got in

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his lungs. In his last six months, he had to

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go on to oxygen. And then in the meantime, I

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think in those last six months, something happened

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in his stomach, and he was just too old for them

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to put him through all sorts of things, so they

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just let life do whatever it wanted to do. When

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did your husband pass away? That was on the 19th

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of December, 22. And where is he buried today?

01:04:03.570 --> 01:04:08.070
His ashes are in the Bury Cemetery. And you had

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a service for him? Yes, out at Wurruji. I didn't

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count, but I was told there was about 300 there.

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Plus it went online and that amount again was

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added. Did you have a wake for him? Yes, just

01:04:24.340 --> 01:04:28.239
reflections. I thought, because of his age, I

01:04:28.239 --> 01:04:31.579
thought 50 people will come, but that didn't

01:04:31.579 --> 01:04:35.539
happen, so we just, because we had the small

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area, we couldn't do very much about it, but

01:04:38.099 --> 01:04:40.780
a lot of people decided that there was too many

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people there and went home. So that's fair enough.

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This brings me to the end of Season 1. Episode

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10. Thank you again Turf Co and McGoldrick's

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Estate Agents for supporting me and my work this

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