Hello, my name's Therese Sweeney. Welcome to
my podcast, Therese Makes History. Season 1,
The Dairy Lane Project. Today, Episode 7. This
project is assisted by Turf Co. in Jaspers Brush,
operating for 40 years and the largest agricultural
employer in the region. Thank you, Gavin Rogers.
I've also secured support. from McGoldrick Real
Estate, operated and owned by Tim McGoldrick
and family. They've been in Bury since 1987.
Tim specialises in lifestyle properties, homesteads,
cottages and homes in the region. Your support
is appreciated, Tim and Gavin, toward this important
digital history archive. Dairying was the primary
industry throughout the Shoalhaven in the 20th
century. In Season 1 to date, I've been engaging
descendants of pioneers in the lanes, named in
their honour, throughout Maroo Meadow. Dairy
people, residents now ageing who carry the memories
of their pioneering relatives and reflect on
their own farming lives. I've gone a bit rogue
this episode. I've discovered a terribly important
family that have migrated all the way from Norway.
Their story is dairy related and it needs telling.
It's an important piece of this puzzle we're
putting together. Hans Jorgensen, S -O -N is
the last three letters, was a sailor who travelled
around the world from the mid -19th century.
He jumped ship on a boat to Australia and arrived
in 1879 from England. He eventually settled at
La Hogue in Robertson in the Southern Highlands.
He married Harriet Mansfield in 1883. They had
eight children, four boys and four girls. Hans
stayed living in Robertson. One of their sons,
known as Bert, who was born in 1893, went to
school with Gus Miller's dad, William, at Robertson.
Perhaps this may have influenced Bert's move
to Bury. Bert left Robertson with two bullocks
named Nobby and Comet and a dray. He came skidding
down Bury Mountain. as he'd taken the wheels
off the axis of the dray because it was so steep
and he didn't want to lose the bullocks. That's
how he arrived in Bury. The Miller family became
his adopted family and they became close with
the Jorgensen family to this very day. They took
Bert under their wing. Bert became well known
and was a clever businessman. He ran a big bullock
team. and carted logs to the mills. He'd load
up down at the railway. Bert is responsible for
putting up all the power poles in Bury. He did
this physically himself with the bullocks. He
made a considerable amount of money digging out
cedar stumps, roots and all. He'd then sell them
off to Sydney. Furniture makers would slice them
up, veneer them for furniture. played rugby for
the Berry All Blacks before World War One. He
then switched to rugby league for the Berry Magpies
during World War One. Rumour has it he kept his
first milk check and he's still looking for the
five dollars he lost down the main street. Apparently
someone picked it up and was shouting everyone
at the pub. He wasn't too happy about it when
he found out. So now I bring you to episode seven.
The Jorgensons buried a Bomber Dairy. Today I'm
interviewing Ian Jorgensen who grew up in Bomber
Dairy and worked in the dairy industry from age
17. Hi Ian, how are you today? Thanks for joining
me here. Thanks Therese, thanks for having me
and I want to thank you for doing this podcast
because you know you go back into your memory,
your mind, you think of Your memory has been
a bit of a hard drive. Well, unfortunately, I
was born before hard drives were invented. We
go back to probably books. So with listening
to your podcast, I've gone in and I've found
these old dusty books that are in my mind. And
the minute I opened it up, it turned colourful
and it brought back great memories of the dairy
farms, the farmers. My early years as a little
kid and bomber, bombatory, which we like to call
a bomber. So tell me, Ian, what is your year
of birth and where were you born? Yeah, 1959.
Yeah, I was born up in Junction Street. It's
now the Drug and Alcohol Rehabilitation Centre
called Oolong House. And yeah, that's where I
was born. So you were born at Oolong House. What
was it prior to Oolong? It was a hospital, a
maternity section, I think, there for women to
go and have their... Do you have siblings? Yeah,
I have a brother, Barry. He's six years older
than me. We're very close, which is great. And
your parents' full names, and do you know their
year of birth? It's Norman Albert Jorgensen was
my dad, and Grace Elizabeth Wallace. No, I don't
know their full dates of birth. Are they still
alive? No, unfortunately, my mum passed away
a couple of years ago, and my dad, I think, around
15 years ago, and I miss them dearly. Yes. How
do you spell your last name? J -O -R -G -E -N
-S -O -N, which is unusual because most Norwegians
spell their name S -E -N. How far back? Because
I come across your name quite a bit. So how far
back is your family connection to this region?
It was the late 1800s when my great -grandfather
turned up in Sydney. He was a Norwegian seaman.
and worked on merchant ships and the story I've
been told that I think basically around about
13 years old he worked on ships and he'd been
around the world two or three times. He came
back I think when he was in his teens and saw
his mother for the last time and he gave her
a China doll from China. Set sail, never to return
back to Stavanger in Norway. Got to Australia.
The story is could have jumped ship. Probably
not. Apparently he got on well with the captain,
decided he wanted to make a new life in Australia.
And that's so his family had never heard of him
or they didn't know what happened to him. And
basically he disappeared. Cousin, Elaine King,
who was researching the family, and she didn't
know really a lot about Hans just other than
he'd come from Stavanger. So she wrote some letters
to the local newspaper. And when she wrote, the
newspaper did a story on it. There was no response.
When was that? Do you know? Oh, that would have
been in the 70s. And when you say a local newspaper,
what newspaper? Oh, the newspaper in the Stavanger.
OK, one of my relatives from Norway went to the
shop. And as you know, and sometimes you buy
drinks and cold things, they'll wrap something
up in newspaper. So she went home to the rest
of the family and I'm just talking in the kitchen.
And while I was talking, this relative of mine
was unwrapping this and she was reading. the
newspaper, and she said, we've found Hans. And
the rest of the family said, what do you mean?
And she said, he's in Australia. So, yeah, we
had a family connection then. A heap of Norwegian
visitors actually embalmed her and buried. When
was that? Oh, that was 1980. It was so funny
because they were coming to our winter and they
all had fur coats on and these coats were...
Unbelievable. They were full on like bear coats,
I don't know, furs. But they couldn't believe
our winter that we had flowers. My cousin has
been over there, both my cousins, my wife and
I have been to Stavanger and went to the old
town. It's beautiful, beautiful. And your two
cousins, what are their names that you reference?
Elaine King and Alan Hitchcock. So Elaine and
Alan are brother and sister. And Elaine was a
Hitchcock. That's correct. And married a king.
That's the way, yeah. So is that king a farmer?
No. What did they think of the place, your Norwegian
relatives? Just briefly, what did they think
of the landscape? Oh, they loved it. And the
main thing was that they couldn't believe, you
know, my mother was an avid gardener with flowers.
Yeah, they loved it. The flowers out in winter
and, you know, basically it was like their summer.
And the coastline. Yeah, beautiful. Yeah, yeah.
Would have blown their mind. Yeah, yeah. Although,
you know, they were travellers themselves. Some
of their parts of the family, they lived in Canada
and different parts of the world. So, yeah, no,
it was wonderful. And it was wonderful for Rhonda
and myself to go to Stavanger. I just couldn't
believe how beautiful Norway is. So we'll just...
Briefly, you mentioned Rhonda. So Rhonda is your
wife. What's her former name? She's a Neville.
They moved to Nowra from around the 1960s, so
not really local people. Sydney, they were around
the Canterbury area, went out west and out around
Booroa and then came back down and settled in
Nowra. In a house or a farm? Just in a house.
And what about your children? Do you have children?
Yeah, I have two. I've got Matthew, my oldest
boy. He lives in Sydney and works in the field
of research, which has more to do with business
and advertising. And my youngest son, Dylan,
who runs our business. Just getting back to Hans.
So when did Hans arrive and do you know the boat
or ship? He arrived in 1879. Ended up in Robeson.
He met his wife, Harriet Mansfield. They had
farms and properties, I believe. And how he ended
up actually in Bury and down this way, I'm not
sure. Was he the beginning of the lineage here?
Yeah, that's correct. That's correct. Yeah, yeah.
He was mainly involved in, you know, labouring
type work. I believe the whole South Coast was.
timber so they were cutting trees you know out
around Harley Hill and down down in the Shellhaven
area so yeah a lot of people worked in the timber
industry or the dairy industry. Because I've
seen an old bullet whip I think that was at Berry
Museum they put a picture out and they had his
name I think attached to it. Yeah no that was
his son. Bertel Jorgensen, he was known in Bury
as Bert or Nobby Jorgensen. He was one of the
local identities. He would become quite successful.
He bought a lot of properties. He made a lot
of money with his bullet team. It was right up
until just before he passed away, I took him,
he had a farm up at Berry Mountain. And I took
him up to the farm there and he could still,
we left our car, walked across the paddocks.
It was a beautiful farm. It overlooked Kangaroo
Valley. And he, it was on Irvine's Lane. And
he whistled and... To my amazement, all these
bullocks ran out of the bush over to him. He
was a bullock driver. How old would he have been
when that happened? He would have been well into
his late 80s, yeah. And when did he pass? Yeah,
not long after that. How many children did Hans
have? I've got the list there and I'm thinking
around about four or five, yeah. Are there any
more stories relating to Hans or his children
that you recall? No, no, not really. The only
person really I had anything to do was Bert.
And we all had a fairly close relationship with
the Jorgensen. So, yeah, no, it was good. I used
to come over with my parents and visit him and,
yeah. Because there's a few Jorgensons around,
aren't there, still today. So you went to a funeral
recently. My cousin. Okay. Yeah. So let's just
briefly talk about that person because that person
made quite a contribution, I think, from what
I gathered. Yeah, he was a great guy. What was
his name? Yeah, he was, I think, only about a
month different in age from my brother. So he
was quite young when he passed away. John was
a builder. An absolutely great guy, well -known
in the Bury and Shelavon area. He was involved
in horses, you know, and he also showed dogs.
He was a very, very good builder. He built luxury
homes, and I actually was lucky enough to do
some jobs with him. Unfortunately, he developed
a dementia type. disease young, I think he would
have been probably only around late 50s, early
60s and unfortunately he passed away from that
disease and his father was my father's brother
and they worked at the Narra Dairy Company for
a combined years, probably 100 years between
them. Let's talk about your father and his siblings
as well. So he's got that brother. Yeah, he has.
He's got his brother, Bill, and then he had sisters.
They all got married. A lot of them did to local
farmers. Nellie, she was married to a Turner.
Edna to a Turner. Rainy to a Vaughan, Vaughan's
farm, which is next to Pat Muller's farm. Rita,
she was married to a Buchan, who was a mechanic.
So where's the Hitchcock name come in? The one
I forgot, Aunty Eileen, she was a lovely lady.
Aunty Eileen, she was married to Tom Hitchcock.
So Tom Hitchcock, I believe, was the son of Tom
Hitchcock, who was the farmer who had the property
out there at Maroo, where I think you'd spoke
to Pat Muller about the Maroo Hall was on Tom
Hitchcock's farm. Dad and Uncle Billy, they both
previously left school when they were quite young
and they worked on... their sisters' husbands'
farms. Then eventually they got jobs at the Narra
Dairy Co -op and, yeah, they worked there for
a combined 50, roughly around 50 years each there.
Now, their jobs... And when did they start there,
do you know, roughly? No, they would have been...
Well, I know my dad was in his early teens. And
across the road from the dairy factory, there
was a place called the Casein Factory. Now, casein,
I think, I believe, is something to do with starch
or bread. But all I remember as a little kid,
it used to stink and I used to hate the place.
An interesting story, my dad would have been
probably there when he was about 13, 14. And
then eventually, it was hard, hard work. The
bosses were... In those days, quite unfair. Even
some of the staff that worked there, the older
men, were somewhat bullies to the kids. Anyway,
one day a guy turned up and he said, I'm from
the union. And he spoke to my dad about the working
conditions. So my dad joined the union. So that
lasted one day and he was instantly sacked. The
funny part about it, which it's amazing now when
you think about it, you know, imagine a young
boy going through this in, say, the 1940s around
the wartime. The union took his employer to court.
So my dad, as a young boy, went to court and
he was instantly reinstated. And he stayed there
for 50 years. Yeah, he stayed there and the conditions
changed, of course. It ended up being a wonderful
place to work. The Narra Derry Company, you know,
as time went on, probably with the involvement
in the unions in those days, conditions got better.
And, yeah, they were a wonderful employer to
him. It says something about your father, though,
the courage to stay and to commit. Oh, I was,
yeah, I couldn't believe. And putting yourself
in that place, I don't think I could have done
what he did and, you know, to have that strength
to join the union, to be sacked and then go to
court and come back. And, yeah, it's unbelievable.
Where was it actually located, the Narra Co -op?
Yeah, in Bomaduri. I don't think anyone liked
it being called the Narra Co -op, that in Bomaduri.
We had this thing between... Bombardier and Narra.
What was that? Look, we were probably the poor
cousins to Narra, Bombardier in those days. If
my dad had his way, and he mentioned it plenty
of times, that he would have cut down the Narra
Bridge because he always believed that... The
people in Narra starved with albuminary because
we had the milk factory, we had the paper mill
and we had, you know, probably better ground,
you know, for growing veggies and that sort of
thing. Oh, he was so upset when eventually Illaroo
Road was always called Illaroo Road. They decided
that Illaroo Road might be better off named North
Narra. And my father was livid. He had that many
fights. He couldn't... You know, he was just...
Because the way he worked it out was the middle
of the bridge, the south side was Nara, we owned
the north side. That was Bommer. So he said that
Illu Road belonged to Bommer. And he was not
very happy when it was named North Nara. When
you say they worked on their brother -in -law's...
What were they doing there? Was that pre -mechanisation?
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. They were horses and ploughs
and Kangaroo Valley in the winter. And, yeah,
it was really, really tough and hard. Who owned
that property at Kangaroo Valley? It would have
been the Turners. Yeah, Edna's or Nellie. Yeah,
they were brothers too, yeah. Who was the turner,
do you know? Yeah, Harry and Ernie. They were
grading milk, were they, the two brothers? Yeah,
that's correct. They were both milk graders.
Yeah, it was a qualification. Dad could, by lifting
a milk can lid, could smell or taste and pretty
well know, he could work out what, especially
if it was a bit of a strong taste, he could work
out what the cattle had been eating. Sometimes...
there'd be employees of the factory would say,
oh, this milk has to be thrown out, it's off.
Call my dad in or Uncle Billy and they'd taste
it and they'd say, no, no, they've just been
on carrot weed or some sort of weed and it has
tainted the taste, but the milk is still good.
Where were they positioned in the factory? Like
pretty much on arrival or was it at the railway?
No, they, yeah, what happened, the trucks used
to pull up. and, you know, people like Henry
Werder and different people would unload the
trucks and they had this chain conveyor belt
and they used to take the cans up. My dad and
Uncle Billy would be standing up there and it
was a huge scale. So the cans had already been
opened by usually someone like Henry, Henry Werder,
and then they'd tip the milk into these big vats
and that was a scale. So they'd weigh the milk
and then they'd record that on a sheet of paper.
But before they tipped it, they'd always smell
the milk and make sure it was okay. And after
all those, that farmer's cans were put through
the scales, the milk was released and it went
through the system. And they could always tell
the farmer's cans because they were all decorated.
And some farmers went to a lot of trouble. They
used to either paint... different coloured bands
around. Some would have coins soldered to it
and polished. A lot of farmers were really proud
about their milk cans and that was the way they
identified them. What were they weighing for?
Is it the fat? No, weighing the milk in quality.
So in other words, a litre of liquid is one kilo
or in those days would have been so many pounds.
After putting, say, 23 cans through, it would
be so many pounds. It'd be written down on a,
they had these pencils, and it was a huge pad.
When you say huge, because you're little, when
you're looking at this. It was probably something
around a metre long. Record book. Yeah, big record
book, yeah. So when, at the end of the day, they
were taken to the office, and that's how the
farmers were paid, off those shoots. Was there
only two milk graders? Yeah, I'm not too sure,
but I knew Dad had the qualification. I'm sure
there were some other guys there that had it
too, and I suppose as long as they had someone
there with that qualification, yeah. We'll get
back to the milk factory because it was really
highly regarded, wasn't it? Yeah, it was a wonderful
milk factory, and the produce that they produced
there, you know, the butter was very of high
quality. Now, who was making the butter? You'd
see men churning these. Tell me about what that
looked like. Yeah, well, when I was little, and
again, you wouldn't be allowed to do it, but
I was probably around five years old and I'd
have free reign at the whole milk factory. So
I knew everyone that worked there and I used
to wander, you know, I'd wander down and into
the butter area and I used to love watching the
big butter churn turn and then it was on a big
table and it was a huge block. four or five meters
long by probably two meters high and then they'd
have these big stainless steel wires with handles
on it then they a man on each side and they pull
these handles through the butter and that would
cut the butter and then they would make it into
large cubes that probably 20 kilo cubes and then
they could they would drop that into the machine
and that machine then would cut the butter into
size It would run along and put the Narra Derry
Co -op label on it. I think when I was there,
there was a guy called Robert Everson. I think
Robert was the boss of that section. Again, because
of the quality, Robert had had agricultural -type
training, so he had that qualification. Yeah,
they were cardboard boxes when I was small. All
the boxes, they were... Conveyor belt. Conveyor
belt. And then the guys would put a box together
and stack the box in me, the butter, and manually.
There was machinery in there to actually cut
the butter into size and wrap it. A lot of the
steam -driven equipment was still in the milk
factory, but it wasn't used. There was a main
drive that went through the factory, which was
a great big metal bar, and it had pulleys off
it. Now, that would have been, that was probably
before the war. But they were still using two
coal boilers there. Because of cleanliness, they
used a lot of hot water and steam. My uncle,
Tom Hitchcock, he was in charge of that, in charge
of those boilers. And he had an off -sider called
Mike Wensick. And again, he was Polish like Henry
Werder. They were responsible for all the mechanical
stuff because mainly things were mechanical.
And then there was an electrical side, of course.
Do you call them boiler makers? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
they would have been. I don't know if they had
that qualification, but basically they were boiler
makers. And I used to love going out there because
Uncle Tom and Mike were quite often, if I got
there at the right time, they used to shovel
the coal with these very wide -bladed shovels.
Then every now and then, every day, they would
cook their meals on these shovels, and it was
great. They'd have the fire open and these shovels
in there with their bits of steak and tomatoes
and eggs, anything you could cook. But I was
always amazed, and I used to love watching. Will
we go to bottles? Oh, yeah. No, the bottles were
fine. As you know, all out through the... 50s,
60s, everything came in bottles. They had a section
there where the bottles were brought back in.
There was old bottles and new bottles. Old bottles
were washed, new bottles were put in, and they
had this bottling plant. So it was mechanised.
It was quite modern. The bottles would go along,
the right amount of milk or pint or whatever
would go in, and then they were capped, and then
they were put in cool rooms or taken out to the
vendors. Tell us about the caps. Yeah, the foil
caps, it was on a great roll, and they had different
colours. There was only one milk then, it was
milk. They didn't have all the different types
in those days, but they had different caps for
cream, so they were in bottles as well, probably
half -pint bottles. The wonderful thing about
these... The material, which was a coloured foil,
brightly coloured foil. All the kids of our parents
that worked there, we used to get the old rolls.
And then it was, as you can imagine, like a 50
cent circular cutout on these foils. And again,
like I said, in those times they were fairly
tough. So we would take them to our schools and
they'd decorate the schools with the offcuts.
from the mill caps for Christmas. So all the
classrooms had all these Narra Derry Co -op foil
cutouts in different colours and gave us a bit
of a Christmas feel to our December at school.
And what colours were they? Red was the one that
really stuck out to me, and I think with cream
it could have been yellow or green, I'm not too
sure. Silver? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now, you're a
young boy. Walking around Bombardieri, roaming
around, because we had a lot of freedom. It was
not like today, you know. You had a lot of freedom
to explore in those factories. They kept an eye
on you, but you knew the way it all operated.
Yeah, I probably started when I was about five,
walking down, and I know my... Uncle Billy's
kids did it as well, you know. So let's explore
that in detail. Tell me about your walk and where
you went from your house to. Yeah, so we were
brought up in Dalbar Street, which is two streets
behind the main street in Bometary, and I'd walk
down to the corner and then along, I think it's
Talleyang Street, a bit like one of your previous
speakers. We didn't know streets in those days.
We just knew where everyone lived. So, yeah,
and then I'd walk down past Donnie Sparratt's
pub and I used to eye off all the old spirit
bottles because they were all empty, of course,
out in the yard, but I used to love all these
colours. And Don used to drive a Rambler and
that was a flash car because not many people
had cars in those days. And I'd walk past and
I always saw him. He was always neatly dressed
and he had this neatly groomed moustache, but
he'd always say hello to me. I'd cross Maroo
Street, which was the main street, and then I'd
walk down a bit of a hill near the... There was
a water tower there for filling up the steam
engines then. It was still there, and they were
still using the steam shunters. And then I'd
wander across. I'd have a look, because Dad always
said, watch out for trains, and I'd walk across
about 10 lots of railway lines, and there was
a little metal ladder. I'd climb up there past
the produce. The produce store was... which used
to hold the hay, the grain and that for the farmers.
So that was the other part of the narrow dairy
company business, co -op business. And then I'd
walk down into the milk factory and I used to
do that quite often and just say hello to the
workers on my way. And they used to smile and
it was a wonderful time. And was that on your
way to school or on the weekends? No, I don't
think I probably wasn't at school then. So, yeah,
so it was probably before I was at school. Probably
one of the most memorable memories I had when
I was probably about four. Barry's my brother.
He's six years older than me, so he would have
been ten. He took me down up the other way, which
is what I'd call north of Dawa Street, into Bumberra
Street, down past the old Bumberra RSL. and down
to the train line, to the train station. And
on one particular day, the circus was coming
to town. I've still got vivid memories. And to
see the open rail trucks with the elephants on
them, the elephants were just chained onto the
rail trucks. Then they somehow must have came
on the... southern end of the railway station
there at Bombardier, they'd coax the elephants
off. All the animals that you didn't want to
get near were in these big vans, which again
would have been on rail trucks. And I'm assuming
they were lifted off. They had this really, really
old, wild -looking crane at the railway station
then. I think it was even hand -driven, I don't
know. They would have pulled these carts off.
The part I had forgotten about, my brother told
me, they'd actually hook the elephants up, pull
these trailers over from Bomaduri, cross the
bridge, and near the swimming pool, I do remember
they used to, a lot of times they'd unhook the
elephants and they'd put the elephants in the
river there, give them a wash and a cool down,
and they'd walk their way up to the recreation
park up near the hospital. and they'd be there
for a few weeks and doing their shows. But also
to... So getting across the bridge with the elephants
and the traffic would have stopped traffic. Yeah,
probably not a lot in those days. Yeah, it's
funny. People don't understand they're up. People
couldn't afford cars. Yeah, that's right. Yeah,
look, it would have been a minor inconvenience.
I know there is a famous story about the elephant
that laid down in the middle of the narrow bridge
and they couldn't get up. I wasn't sure what
year or when that happened, but, yeah, it did
happen. They decided that this is it. I've had
enough. Yeah, I've had enough. I'm stopping for
a while. And also, too, it would be hard for
people to understand or believe. Bombardier was
actually black. So the railway station, all the
shops, a few streets back, it looked horrible.
Now, the black was from the soot from the shutters
of the steam trains. All the carriages and everything
used to come by train in those days, except for
the only diesel engines in those days were the
trains that took people to Sydney. It was the
Red Rattler, then that was replaced later with
the Silver Train, they used to call it. Bombardier
just had this really, I can still remember this
dark look, all the shops because of this soot.
And then when they slowly changed over to full
diesel, you could see it. It was just like someone
was washing the town slowly and all the colours
came out. The old timber verandas that used to
run along, it was a bit like the Western. You
know, you had the old timber verandas with the
old verandas out the top and, sorry, the timber
floor walkways and that. They were slowly replaced
by the council into concrete. And so bombadery
actually started to change. Yes, that's a lot
of change. Tell me about, like, so the milk cans
going to Sydney on the trains, what did that
look like? Well, no, they were in great tanks.
So once they were rail cars or carts or they
were like a huge... tank stainless steel they
looked horrible on the outside they were all
black and horrible but when you used to you'd
lift the lid up they were full stainless steel
inside so the milk was um this is the excess
milk sometimes was still uh so they used to use
a lot of the milk in narrow because it was sold
locally into our milk bottles and whatever and
then they would send some milk away and they
would send that in these rail carts and they
used to travel, I think, in the early hours of
the morning. I'm not too sure. And they're going
to the Sydney factories? Oh, yes, yeah. At Ultramobile
or wherever it might have been? Yeah, that's
correct, yeah. So all your milk bottles at school,
you had milk? Yeah, we used to have that horrible
hot milk. It used to turn up unrefrigerated and
we were forced to drink it. I used to do everything
I could to get away from it because it turned
me off milk forever. It was disgusting. You mentioned
flavoured milk too. They'd give you some flavoured
milk. Ah, yeah, yeah, well, you know, touring
the factory and quite often I'd be down in the
butter room and Robert Everson or one of the
employees, they, and again, wonderful people,
and they'd go over to one of the cool rooms and
ask me, you know, whether I want a chocolate
or a malt or a strawberry milk and, yeah, they'd
give me one of these. half -point cartons or
whatever they were. And, yeah, they used to really
look after us. They were a wonderful group of
men. What were they wearing? Were different uniforms
different jobs? No, no. Dairy Factory was always
white. So they used to wear white overalls, white
aprons and white caps and little cotton gumboots.
Yeah, they were all dressed in white, except
the management. But, yeah, that was the way.
Everything had to be kept clean and spotless,
and it was. What about the management? Do you
recall any of the managers? Did you meet any?
I knew a bit. He was the foreman, a guy called
Kevin Shiver. He was there many, many years.
Management was different in those days. There
was a guy called Bob Graham and even the employees
called him Mr Graham. Now, Mr Graham was over
in another office and he used to have a full
-time secretary who was always well -groomed.
He had a big flash car. It was a different time
in those days where... Yeah, if you were in senior
management, you were well respected or not, but...
There was a status. Oh, definitely a status,
yeah, yeah. That was, like I said, they always
had a big flash of a car and... But all the dairy
farmers were the shareholders, yeah? That's correct,
yeah, yeah. And it worked really, really, really
well. A lot of successful farmers. I can mention
many, many names of these farmers and they were
well respected. And the Narra Dairy Company was
very, very successful. You look at other co -ops,
for example, like Bega. Now, if you go to Bega,
if they didn't do their job better than anyone
else, you would not hear of Bega cheese. And
Bega's probably the great success story. But
they had to be because they were isolated. They
were isolated from Victoria and Sydney. So to
produce milk and Bega, you had to be better than
everyone else. And Bega is. And still today,
Bega owns Kraft. And I'm really pleased. I think
they own the Dairy Farmers label, which is wonderful.
Extraordinary. Yeah, them and Norco. And Norco's
up the north coast. They're, again, they'd be
the two. Real success stories. So the milk at
Nowra was called Nowra Co -op? That's correct.
Did it have a little anything, like some of the
changes? When did it go from bottled? Yeah. What
happened is they brought out homogenisation.
Now, everyone went crook about it. So we all
remember you had a bottle of milk. You'd take
the lid off. When was this? When was this? This
would have been late 60s, early 70s. So you had
your milk bottles and we'd all open the milk
bottle and whoever got it first would get the
big blob of cream and the rest of us would get
white water. But no one really understood that.
So they brought out homogenisation and my dad
was involved in that and again in the process
of milk. So all they did was get a stainless
steel, steel. a lot of wire and they push it
together. It was only small. It looked very much
like if you looked at a football boot and the
tag on the bottom of a football boot, the bit
on the ground, one of those. So the milk was
forced through that wire. What that did was separated
the cream and pushed the cream through all the
milk. So that way, if you were the first person
to open the milk bottle, the last person, everyone
got their fair share of cream. So that's how
homogenisation. So around that time, I remember
my dad went to Sydney to some show and they were
looking at what the next change from bottles
were and they brought out a lot of stuff from
all over the seas. There were plastic bottles
and different things. But now it shows they had
a few things that went wrong. They used the plastic
bag for a while and every house had a little
cradle to put that plastic bag. It wasn't overly
successful. And then they went to the cartons,
so carton milk, and eventually then they went
to the plastic bottles. You talk about three
major changes in milk producing. Yeah, well,
probably... Is this the bulk milk carton? Yeah,
around 1967, I think, bulk milk came in. It was
a concern to people like my dad because they
all worked in the milk factory. You had people
that were going out and collecting their cans.
You had the dairy farmers who had to go through
the expense of putting these stainless steel
tanks in. So it was an absolute huge change.
And was this with homogenisation around the same
time? Because then you've got the milkman. Yeah,
that's correct. So homogenisation was the first
thing. And then they went to the milk tank, the
tanks on the farms. And like I said, my dad was
a milk raider. He was offered a job to drive
one of the trucks because basically there was
no other job for him. So my dad, Uncle Billy,
they got into these trucks and they hadn't driven
a lot of cars really in those days because I
was probably 12 or... 10 before we got our first
car so yeah they chucked in one of these big
trucks and that's what dad and uncle billy did
until they retired they they went out and collected
the milk from the farms My dad eventually ended
up doing a coastal run. He used to go down to
Bedalla Cheese Factory down there. I think he
used to take milk down for them and then he would
pick up milk around there for the farms and bring
it back to Narra. So he loved that trip. He used
to go down there. He knew the road, the highway,
and was happy to do it. Seven days a week. What
did that mean for dairy farmers? In terms of
technology? Oh, huge. It was a huge change. Firstly,
they had to extend the dairy itself. They had
to build another room, most of them. A lot of
them, they didn't have that room, so they had
to put a room in there for the milk tank. They
had to get power upgrades because they didn't
have a lot of power available and milk was hardly
running in the milking machine, so they had to
have the power to run a compressor. Then they
were responsible for sterilising those milk tanks,
making sure that the tank was down to three and
a half degrees. That's when, yeah, that was...
That would have had a huge impact on those farmers
that... Oh, some of them closed down. Yeah, yeah,
yeah. Because there's quite a cost involved in
that. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So some farmers,
a lot of the small farmers got out. The larger
farmers got bigger. And that's what happened.
Just backtracking, sorry, where you've got the
charcoal boilers going to oil? No, the coal,
they were getting away from coal. Oil was cheap
in those days, so they converted them to oil
burners. It's a bit like the trains. They got
rid of the coal trains and went to diesel trains.
So you remembered the oil? It was a lot easier
because my uncle used to have to go down there
I don't know what time, and these things had
to be kept alight all the time. And again, it's
a bit like the steam engines. Without a fire,
you don't go anywhere. So once they went to oil,
they went to mechanisation and they could control
the boil through time as it continually ran,
got up to temperature, shut down, just had a
pilot flame going and then when the temperature
needed, they were taking hot water away, they'd
fire back up. Yeah, so it'd become a lot easier.
I want to go to you shortly and your profession,
but just thinking of you as the young man, we
walked everywhere in those days. So what did
Bomaderry look like? Is there any kind of, just
thinking about Bomaderry, do you ever remember,
was the Aboriginal mission there? Yeah, yeah,
we, it was great. Like Bomaderry, it was nearly
all gravel roads. As we got older, we all got
pushbikes. So we spent a fair bit of time. with
skin hanging off us because there was quite a
few hills and we'd lose our bikes. We had gravel
rash all over us. Mum used to get upset because
her clothes would be torn. We lived in Dalwa
Street and it's not as steep as it is now because
when they tarred it, they took a lot of the hill
out of it. But when it was gravel, we had a great
hill. So the billy carts would start off just
at the front of our place because that's where
the hill was. Everyone used to go down and you'd
put someone and watch on down near the Grimes
is down the corner because that was where the
next intersection is. So even though cars didn't
come along, so you'd fly down the hill. If you
were lucky enough, you'd take the corner. If
you didn't, you'd crash. But if you took the
corner, you'd run down to what you call Frogsy,
Frog's Hollow. So as small kids, we used to go
down. It was a great place to explore. There
was a few caves down there, and a few of the
Aboriginal guys would sleep in the caves there.
There wasn't a lot of houses. There was a guy
called Ben Stewart lived in the corner, and his
relatives, some of the Aboriginal people, used
to stay there. Again, he was a wonderful guy.
He followed the Bombardier Rugby League. And
then you'd walk up over the hill. And again,
I'm not talking about great distancing, you know,
probably 100 metres up over some rocks. And the
UAM home was there. What's the UAM? What does
that mean? United Aboriginal Mission, I think.
And as we all learnt, it was part of what they
say and believe is the Stolen Generation. So
we went to school with these kids. But we were
all one. We had the same teachers. We mixed together,
played football for Bombardier Swamp Rats in
those days and cricket, just mixed together and
there was nothing different. All we just knew
that the kids, and we called it the home then,
had some ladies that they used to, I think they
called them sisters, and used to look after them.
And that was it. There was no difference. And
a lot of those guys and girls that went there
are still in this area today. So tell me about
gravel. That's tough, isn't it? Did you have
footpaths? No, no footpaths. Like I said, Bomah
was pretty well gravel. Just everywhere. I think
in the early years, I think the main street might
have been tarred. But other than that, there
wasn't any real roads. And that was a great thing
to see as time went on to get some tar roads.
It made it a lot easier. It's interesting because
there is the swamp there, isn't it? Just over
the hill there in Dabowalong. Yeah. So I love
the name Swamp Rats. Yeah, well, the football
ground down the bottom, the Albometry Football
Ground, which was next to... It's a hardware
store now, but that used to be Riedenherne sawmill
there. And the football ground there, there's
the Bombardier Creek runs behind it. So any of
the goal kickers kicking the ball, a lot of times
any of the guys that could kick a ball good,
the ball ended up in the creek. And down in that
creek there, around that in the water, there
were swamp rats there. I think through the 70s,
they decided to become the Bombardier Tigers
because they thought the name Bombardier Swamp
Rat wasn't. Great. Again, there was a resistance,
and now they had turned back and used the name
Bombardier Swamp Rats again, which I'm really
happy about. Did you have 10 colours? What were
the colours, do you know? Yeah, Bombardier was
just blue and gold. We used to play Nara quite
a bit. The Nara people sat on one side, Bombardier
people sat on the other side, and we wouldn't
mix. Tell me about your relationship with Maroo.
Was there dairying going on in Bolong? On the
swamp? Yeah, yeah. Did you see the dairies? Oh,
yeah, yeah, because my cousin's ex -husband,
Bill Schofield, again, his name's come up before,
he used to go out and pick up the milk, yeah,
in the trucks. And myself and... They're kids.
He used to put us in the back of the truck, frowned
upon today, and we used to ride around the farms
while he picked up all the milk cans and took
them back to the narrow dairy company, and that
was fun. I used to spend a lot of time out at
my auntie and uncle's, Les and Rony Vaughan.
I used to spend a lot of time out at their property,
which was next door to Pat Muller's. Spent a
lot of time on the dairy farms. How many, was
that in Fletcher's Lane? They were in Fletcher's
Lane first. And then they bought the neighbouring
property, which was next to Pat's, Pat Muller's
or Albert Muller's. Did you know names of the
farmers when you were on the milk run or you
were just having fun? We were just having fun.
Yeah. And what were the roads like? Oh, again,
they were all gravel. You'd travel to Bury on
the highway, you'd never, ever go up any of those
roads, you know, Pestles Lane. And they just
went on forever to this farm, to that farm. And,
yeah, I think as a small kid you would have got
lost real quick. But, yeah, they were sort of
areas that, you know, a lot of people in town
especially would never go out there. You know,
even if we... I used to go shooting with the
local paper shop owner and we used to... We'd
pull up at Maroo there on the highway and he
had a Volkswagen with the roof cut off for delivering
papers and we would shoot rabbits from the highway.
So, again, you just couldn't do that sort of
thing these days. Is there anything more you
want to say about the milk factory? Yeah, it
was a big place and, you know, like the only
other industry in those days, there was... Like
I said, the paper mill, that was big. But the
narrow dairy company was big. And probably the
product they've become most famous for, and I
think they still use it today, is their dairy
custard. They won a lot of awards. The local
industry sort of fell apart as far as the milk
factory. This dairy custard seemed to move on
through. whoever owned the name of the original
factory, they kept on making that custard, and
I think they still use the same recipe, but I've
tasted it, and it doesn't taste as good as it
used to when it came from the Narra Derry Co
-op. They also made a lot of yogurts, and they
were really popular, real fruit yogurts. So again,
like I said before, if you didn't do it good,
you didn't survive, and Narra Derry Co -op did
it good. So when were they introducing those
new products around? Yeah, that would have been
in the 70s because before it was milk and butter.
I think the butter industry fell apart when we
started eating margarine. You know, all of a
sudden butter's no good for you. So the butter
industry, as it's turned out now, we're back
eating butter and margarine's not good for you,
but they took a dive with the butter. So they
had to start looking at other products. And other
equipment would have changed if they're adding
fruit to yogurt? Yep, yep. And the big thing
with flavoured milk, they did well with that
with the introduction, I think, of the Move product,
the brand Move, that was the milk Coke. if you
know what I mean. And that was made there? Yeah,
yeah, and other factories, but this badging and
labelling of moved milk, that was a huge thing,
you know, and there was ads on TV with kids at
the beach and that was the cool drink to drink
and, yeah. The expansion of the consumer product.
Yeah, that's correct. You got an apprenticeship.
I could never imagine that. I would have been
so highly involved in the dairy industry as I
grew up. I was lucky enough, my dad knew this
electrician, again, through the milk factory,
a guy in Bury called John Martin. And John, he
was a specialist farm -type electrician and he
had the qualifications in commercial refrigeration
with these milk vats. So I started my apprenticeship
with him. I'm not too sure. I probably spent
about 15 years with him. How old were you when
you started? 17. It was the best time ever because
I got to come and work in Bury, forgetting about
the job, but I got to know everyone in Bury.
And it got to that point because I worked here
for that long, I felt like a local. I could walk
down the main street of Bury and... You know,
I knew the Waddells and Bill and Beryl Bramley,
Daryl Atkins, Rudd Hollins. It just goes on and
on and on. The Domes with the bank, Mrs Mills,
the hairdresser. But our workshop was very, very
close to Main Street. So my job was going out
onto the dairy farms and doing electrical work
for dairy farms. Every farmer in Bury, every
farmer in Gerongong. And eventually, as time
went on, and we did a lot of farms in the Nara,
Bumadur and Maroo area, and then eventually...
What about Tarara and Numa? Yeah, a lot of them,
yeah. And as time went on and eventually moving
forward a long time... I ended up with every
farm from Kembla Grange down to south of Ulladulla
towards Moruya, out to the coast, out to the
highlands towards Goulburn. So, yeah, we talk
about this local area, but there was dairy farmers
all over the place. If push came to shove and
we had some maps, could you nut out some of those
names and size of properties? Yeah, I don't know
about the size. I could tell you who were the
major dairy farmers because of the size of their
milk factory. Well, let's go. And that was my
specialist, you know. Let's talk. Well, the big
ones were, say, David Boyd. David Boyd would
be still one of the biggest producers in Australia.
And where's he located? He's down there at Torera.
And then you had Cal Crafts, which became Alex
Cochran. and his brother Ian. They were huge
suppliers. You had down in Jindy Andy Lane, you
had people like Rodney Crawford, you had the
Cochrans, the Watsers. They were all major, major
producers down at Milton. People like Lyle Ewan.
Yeah, they all had silo milk vats. Thinking of
your work, where are you located, literally?
Where is your workplace? The workshop was opposite
the Great Southern Pub there in a little old
building. I think it's an arts place now. I was
responsible for every milk vat. So, yeah, around
Berry, we also did the work for the Berry Co
-op. all the work in the co -op itself. As time
went on, I did work at Narra Co -op, the other
co -ops right up, Albion Park, Jamboree, Jarragong.
So, yeah. When you say work, tell me what broadly,
what your work is. Well, yeah, yeah. Okay, so
it was more industrial electrical work. You know,
in other words, the pumps and all the wiring
and controls, the refrigeration. keeping things
cool, some working on some of the refrigerated
trucks. So that's what we mainly did in the milk
factories themselves, basically keeping them
going. I mean, things like lighting and, you
know, extra light, security. So on site at the
farms, what are you doing? Who's providing you
with equipment, are you saying? Yeah, yeah, we
work along. with people like Arthur Morehouse.
Morehouse was with the machinery people, or they
used to call themselves, the Alfa Laval product
and that. So they put the milking machines in
the milk pumps and that, and we'd run the power
to the motor that drove it. We did all the lighting,
the automatic feeders. In other words, eventually
as the farms got bigger, they got these feeders
that used to cut in and cut out and drop feed
for the cows. So we used to connect all them.
And the big part, which was our other specialty,
which was away from the electrical, was the milk
vats looking after refrigeration. So that was
a really responsible job because it was important
for us to keep that milk because when the milk
goes in, when it's quite warm, 90 degrees Fahrenheit,
you've got about two hours for itself to go off.
We were always on call. Even when my old boss
John had the business, we'd take turns getting
out to these farms as quick as we could with
all the equipment. And we used to have spare
compressors and motors and thermostats and all
the equipment that makes these things go. And
we'd get these tanks. So you've got to cool the
milk down. Exactly right. Exactly. And that was
our job. installing them, running all the pipe
work, installing the refrigeration gas. So we
always had quantities of that with us and we
worked along with the farmers. So farmers work
seven days a week without a day off. This business
works seven days a week without a day off. And
like the vets, the vets, they were out there
with us and we worked along. I've helped deliver
plenty of calves with the vets and, yeah, you
know, because they'd have a difficult delivery
and it used to be a bit of an emotional thing,
you know, hoping these little calves would start
breathing and that. What are you driving? And
did that change? Oh, we were driving these horrible
combis and my boss was a combi freak and I hated
them. They were underpowered. They were boiling
hot in summer. Freezing coal in winter. They
were terrible, terrible cars. But my old boss,
he was a Volkswagen man. But, yeah, eventually
we swapped and we went to Toyota HiAces and things
that were a little more powerful and comfortable.
And what are you wearing? Just the usual? Yeah,
just the work clothes and overalls and, yeah,
that sort of thing. Anything memorable stand
out, like really? problematic that i mean i'm
sure it's all that but was there any major we
treated every problem like that and that's why
we were the only people on the coast that did
this work it was so important to the farmers
the farmers and this is later on when my wife
ronda and i had the business so let's talk about
that so john martin sold you the yeah he sold
me the refrigeration part After my first month,
I find you how hard it was. I never worked out
how hard running a business and especially things
like cash flows. But yeah, Rhonda and I are...
Okay, I'll slow you down there. So you and Rhonda
got married where? Yeah, we got married in Nara
at the Anglican Church in 1980. And so when are
you buying the business? Probably early 90s,
yeah. And how old were you then? Around 30. Yeah,
we're all good and fit then, aren't we? Yeah.
This was before computers, so I had this thing
where the only way I could work out, I thought
if I kept working, we won't go broke. So I didn't
stop working. So I had no other way of working
out how our business was going. So we just...
How did you handle that? I mean, you're going
crazy, aren't you? Oh, it was tough. It was tough.
And it wasn't until years later I said to Rhonda,
I said in that first part, I said, I called in.
Our car got home around 8 .30, 9 o 'clock at
night. She was sitting at the dining room table
with a manual typewriter doing invoices. I went
in to tell her that I wanted to give up the business
and I couldn't do it anymore. I was mentally
and physically exhausted. And I told her some
years down the track about it and she said, I
wanted to do the same and I saw you come in from
work. And I couldn't do it to you. Luckily, we
didn't have that conversation. Otherwise, we
might have pulled the pin. But we kept going.
The business was quite successful, to be honest.
And they used to say to me, you're good at what
you do. And I said, no. I said, it's Rhonda and
I. And Rhonda's business management was the success
of our business. So I kept working, doing what
I was doing. She did. She got the money in. Yeah,
yeah. And yeah, she was good at what she was
Commonwealth Bank trained. And that really, really
helped. It was funny because the dairy industry
was in a decline. So I said to Rhonda, in us
buying the refrigeration business, I said, that'll
give us two or three years before the dairy industry's
pretty well buggered. But that'll give me two
or three years to build up an electrical business.
But I didn't know the dairy industry was about
to change. The dairy industry grew, farmers got
bigger. They started, we started basically from
one farm to another, replacing their milk vats
because the guys got smaller. The work they did
on the farm, they were producing more milk. Herds
become better. Science. Exactly. And there was
incentives out there for the farmers to work
hard and produce a lot of milk. The big thing
was... The Frisian cows, they'd improved the
amount of milk that was coming from the cows.
So all of a sudden, these farmers needed a bigger
milk tank. Basically, from the whole south coast
over southern tablelands, we went to every farm,
went to a silo, which is the vertical type tank,
so that the farmers could haul more milk. And
then they become self -cleaning. And then the
milk factory started picking up 24 hours. So
we'd get call -outs. I still remember Jenny Crawford
ringing me at 2 o 'clock and said, Ian, the tank's
been emptied, but the self -cleaning won't work.
So at 2 o 'clock, I'd be out in the vehicle.
Because that tank had to be cleaned. They weren't
a tank you could watch manually. Because they're
stainless steel. And they're big. They're huge.
They're huge. And they were a silo. They had
to be washed. So, yeah, I'd get out there and
have the equipment and get it going. And with
the growth of that business and the farms, all
those farmers, and again, because of our relationship
with them, it was like having 150 new friends.
And we'd be gone very close to all these farmers.
We inherited some milk factories like Gerongong.
I already had Berry. I was doing some work. Nara
was still operating then. What about Jamboree?
Jamboree, yeah, I spent a lot of time at Jamboree.
It was a guy called Jeff Boxall was the manager
there. He was a really, really nice guy. And
Jamboree was famous with their condensed milk.
I used to love working there because I'd always
bring a jar of condensed milk home with me and
I'd walk along and when they were bottling and
canning the... condensed milk the thing was taps
were always leaking so you could walk along and
there were a big drip of condensed milk and you
just put your finger and that was all right for
the first hour but at the end of the day you
were feeling quite unwell but um did you work
a bit of weight on i did in those days i don't
know whether that was that or the red wine. But,
yeah, Albion Park, I looked after Albion Park
as well. So it was the first one to close down.
What era? That was in the mid to late 80s. We'll
see Albion Park or Dapto, all that area, a lot
of farmers went out. It's become, yeah, suburbia.
Houses spread out there. The land became more
valuable. Valuable, that's correct. Yeah, yeah.
But there were still some farmers going. They
were transporting to Nowra. Again, I used to
go out there and look after all those farms too
as well. Before we set up business, I was...
Geoff Boxall, the manager from Jamboree, ended
up managing Nowra and he offered me a job full
-time working. Over a weekend, I made a decision
not to take it, which was probably the best decision
of my life for a lot of reasons. One of them
is I couldn't imagine being working in one building
all the time. With my job, I could... travel
out and work and I could pull in at Oven Kanga
Valley beside a stream and put my feet in the
water and read a newspaper and have lunch and
what a great place and what a great job. Instead
of being trapped in four walls where I would
have been if I was in Nara. You would have had
a few weather events to handle, getting across
rivers and things? Yeah, yeah. Creeks? Yeah,
yeah. And it's dangerous, really dangerous, especially...
Walter Muller, I remember one of our customers
up there, he went across the tractor, grandkids,
and there was two or three of them, lost their
lives. The paper mill, they had a double -decker
bus. They'd take that up to the Bomberoo Basketball
Stadium and all the paper mill workers would
get on that bus and they'd drive that through
the floodwaters down to the paper mill. You talk
about Pat Muller, Richard Boxall, talking about
the 68 Fires, I think it was. And this is, again,
before I was in the air industry. Where we lived
in Dalby Street, I would sit on the back veranda
at night. And I was probably nine. I thought
it was great, but I didn't realise how serious
it was. To see... And we had a great view from
our backyard of Canberra Mountain. To see Canberra
Mountain alight. And... The thought these days,
and a few years ago, when it wasn't New Year's
Day or Eve, down around here where those fires
went through there again, and luckily the wind
changed and took it up to the highlands. Not
good for them. I had these memories of when I
was a kid, and I knew what I could do, and I
knew what houses had built up and people living
in there. I truly thought the westerly wind had
come down on the mountain. There would have been...
a lot of houses lost, and it would have threatened
vomiting. Is it a family business still? Yeah,
that's correct. It was when PCs started coming
in with computers, with networking computers.
Years ago, I got involved. I've always, because
of my training in control circuit wiring, I was
always involved in high -end type stuff. So I
started working for some of the government organisations
running coax cables for these computers. And
then there was a convention that came out called
the PC. And so everyone could sit around with
their own little computer and they would network
back to a server. So I did training with some
of my employees and we started running data cables
and networking computers. So our business went
to a different side and we also got involved
in automation. Now, we were still running the
refrigeration business then and it just got too
big. So we sold the refrigeration business off.
The best part of that was I didn't have to work
seven days a week. I missed my friends, the dairy
farmers, but I didn't miss the seven days, 365
days a year working. So yeah, our business changed
more into automation and computer cable networking.
Eventually it got bigger. My son and my daughter
-in -law bought. business and that allowed me
to retire early and take up my real love of traveling
Australia in the outback areas and basically
for the last 10 years we've been traveling in
remote areas of Australia Rhonda and I in the
cooler months of winter because that's the only
time to go in those areas thank you Ian I really
enjoyed our conversation This brings us to the
close of Episode 7. Check out my website in a
few days if you want to catch a few photos. I've
also just gone to YouTube and in coming months
we'll have some moving image. All the episodes
to date are available also on YouTube. Tune in
to Episode 8 in a few weeks, Turner's Lane. with
the Walsh family. Thank you very much for listening
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