WEBVTT 00:00:05.510 --> 00:00:07.929 Everyone welcome back to the main mic. My name 00:00:07.929 --> 00:00:10.689 is Harper and I'm joined with Mackenzie and today 00:00:10.689 --> 00:00:16.250 we have a guest Today Efren is going to be talking 00:00:16.250 --> 00:00:20.170 about his little table that we Like the little 00:00:20.170 --> 00:00:24.410 table in the the the debate table about change 00:00:24.410 --> 00:00:30.010 my mind Yeah So Efren Taylor is a student at 00:00:30.010 --> 00:00:31.730 Johnson County Community College, he's rented 00:00:31.730 --> 00:00:34.380 out the table and is in the courtyard pretty 00:00:34.380 --> 00:00:36.840 much, what, a couple times a week, I see you? 00:00:37.039 --> 00:00:39.840 Yeah, originally it was Wednesday, Thursday, 00:00:39.880 --> 00:00:41.899 but I'm switching to Tuesday, Wednesdays now. 00:00:42.219 --> 00:00:46.280 Right, and the table that you have now is I'm 00:00:46.280 --> 00:00:48.979 okay with... There's nothing wrong with animal 00:00:48.979 --> 00:00:52.539 cruelty. Nothing wrong with animal cruelty. All 00:00:52.539 --> 00:00:56.859 right. That's a heated topic. It is a very, very 00:00:56.859 --> 00:00:59.820 heated topic. It's been very fun to discuss this 00:00:59.820 --> 00:01:03.140 with people, yeah. Very fun. Were you a debate 00:01:03.140 --> 00:01:05.439 student previously? No, I wish I would have taken 00:01:05.439 --> 00:01:06.859 it, because I think I would have been pretty 00:01:06.859 --> 00:01:10.319 good at it. But no, mainly I did. I used to do 00:01:10.319 --> 00:01:12.500 a lot of TikTok debates. And that's prepared 00:01:12.500 --> 00:01:16.500 me well, honestly. Real world debates are actually 00:01:16.500 --> 00:01:21.299 a lot easier than online. Yeah. All right. Well, 00:01:21.579 --> 00:01:26.340 Kenzie, I know you kind of found him. That's 00:01:26.340 --> 00:01:28.760 such a weird way. And they pulled me off the 00:01:28.760 --> 00:01:32.340 street now. We fed him, gave him some clothes 00:01:32.340 --> 00:01:35.719 and a roof over his head. I'm kidding. But she 00:01:35.719 --> 00:01:41.719 is kind of in charge of this leading of questions 00:01:41.719 --> 00:01:44.359 interview. I was going to say debate, but we're 00:01:44.359 --> 00:01:46.819 not going to debate. I mean, we can debate if 00:01:46.819 --> 00:01:52.900 we want. But I mean, I just saw the table the 00:01:52.900 --> 00:01:55.359 beginning of the semester. And I was like, is 00:01:55.359 --> 00:02:00.239 he rage baiting? Are you rage -vading? Um, no. 00:02:00.760 --> 00:02:03.579 What do you mean by rage -vading? Like, you know, 00:02:03.799 --> 00:02:07.040 people say things and they'll be like, change 00:02:07.040 --> 00:02:09.560 my mind, and they don't actually believe in what 00:02:09.560 --> 00:02:12.139 they're saying. They just want to make people 00:02:12.139 --> 00:02:15.240 angry. Well, in that case, yeah, I guess we could 00:02:15.240 --> 00:02:18.819 call it rage -vading. It's not just to make people 00:02:18.819 --> 00:02:23.180 angry, though. So the gist of it is I have to 00:02:23.180 --> 00:02:25.439 sign up because it gets people's attention. And 00:02:25.439 --> 00:02:28.009 most people say that... They are vehemently against 00:02:28.009 --> 00:02:29.849 animal cruelty. And I'll have people, they'll 00:02:29.849 --> 00:02:32.550 sit down there, and like, I can't believe you 00:02:32.550 --> 00:02:35.250 would say something like that. Like, we love 00:02:35.250 --> 00:02:37.849 animals. Why would you ever want to harm an animal? 00:02:38.150 --> 00:02:40.409 And then I'm like, do you cause any harm to animals? 00:02:42.610 --> 00:02:45.110 And the answer is always yes, but that's different. 00:02:45.509 --> 00:02:47.689 And people will immediately switch up on you. 00:02:48.469 --> 00:02:51.629 So to make it clear, I'm vegan. And I've been 00:02:51.629 --> 00:02:54.990 vegan for several years now. And I just want 00:02:54.990 --> 00:02:58.150 people to apply. their ethical principles against 00:02:58.150 --> 00:03:01.469 animal cruelty consistently. And that's pretty 00:03:01.469 --> 00:03:03.830 much the point of the table. It's animal rights 00:03:03.830 --> 00:03:08.750 outreach. Nice, okay. So what are some of the, 00:03:08.750 --> 00:03:14.069 I guess, get -going questions that you get? The 00:03:14.069 --> 00:03:18.430 debate starters. Yeah, like so, some people are, 00:03:18.430 --> 00:03:19.969 I feel like they're almost self -aware of what 00:03:19.969 --> 00:03:22.460 it's gonna be, because they'll... Say like what 00:03:22.460 --> 00:03:24.800 do you mean by cruelty because like they're already 00:03:24.800 --> 00:03:28.199 preempting trying to separate? The cruelty that 00:03:28.199 --> 00:03:30.659 we do to animals like for food like abuse yeah, 00:03:30.659 --> 00:03:33.900 yeah as opposed to someone say like beating a 00:03:33.900 --> 00:03:37.000 dog I'm like I Don't think the animal perceives 00:03:37.000 --> 00:03:39.879 them any differently They don't really I don't 00:03:39.879 --> 00:03:42.520 think that if you told a cow that oh, they're 00:03:42.520 --> 00:03:44.340 like they're doing it for food and not because 00:03:44.340 --> 00:03:47.759 like some Weird pleasure thing that they would 00:03:47.759 --> 00:03:49.319 like care about that they care about the pain 00:03:49.319 --> 00:03:52.780 that they're feeling right now Right and so that 00:03:52.780 --> 00:03:54.259 that's like a question that people will ask me 00:03:54.259 --> 00:03:56.759 like how do you define cruelty and I usually 00:03:56.759 --> 00:04:00.460 tell them Cruelty is gonna be like you're causing 00:04:00.460 --> 00:04:03.680 Kind of an unnecessary harm to an animal just 00:04:03.680 --> 00:04:06.340 like out of pleasure or convenience Right so 00:04:06.340 --> 00:04:09.180 like hunting hunting could be one of them. Yeah 00:04:09.180 --> 00:04:12.080 I also think that just our everyday purchases 00:04:12.080 --> 00:04:16.240 like you go into the supermarket and or McDonald's 00:04:16.240 --> 00:04:19.980 and you buy like a burger like There was cruelty 00:04:19.980 --> 00:04:24.300 involved in the way that they obtained the burger, 00:04:24.560 --> 00:04:27.639 like a cow had to die for that. Right, yeah. 00:04:27.839 --> 00:04:35.139 And then I guess a lot of what my mind goes to 00:04:35.139 --> 00:04:38.399 is do people ever bring up the whole, we're their 00:04:38.399 --> 00:04:41.480 predators? Yeah, and how do you handle that? 00:04:42.160 --> 00:04:45.879 When people bring that up, I'm just like, what 00:04:45.879 --> 00:04:48.579 actually are they even saying? because we're 00:04:48.579 --> 00:04:51.160 naturally meant to eat meat or something like 00:04:51.160 --> 00:04:53.660 that, that it's okay to then be cruel to animals? 00:04:55.199 --> 00:04:57.220 Some hypotheticals that I give people once it's 00:04:57.220 --> 00:04:59.699 already revealed that I'm vegan. I'm like, okay, 00:04:59.939 --> 00:05:04.360 say that you have zombies or vampires or xenomorphs 00:05:04.360 --> 00:05:07.040 or any of these other characters where humans 00:05:07.040 --> 00:05:10.160 are not at the top of the food chain. Clearly 00:05:10.160 --> 00:05:12.319 the bad guys there are the people that are still 00:05:12.319 --> 00:05:14.199 choosing to eat humans even though they could 00:05:14.199 --> 00:05:17.139 eat something else. And so I just... Say like 00:05:17.139 --> 00:05:19.800 if you're gonna call that situation wrong, then 00:05:19.800 --> 00:05:21.699 you also have to call this situation wrong. We're 00:05:21.699 --> 00:05:25.879 eating the animals right so Your stand says that 00:05:25.879 --> 00:05:29.459 you're okay with some cruelty or not. Oh, no. 00:05:29.459 --> 00:05:31.240 I'm not okay with animal cruelty in any way. 00:05:31.480 --> 00:05:35.220 I just want people to Acknowledge that they are 00:05:35.220 --> 00:05:38.699 against animal cruelty, but then Actually act 00:05:38.699 --> 00:05:40.639 upon that with their choices regarding animal 00:05:40.639 --> 00:05:46.089 products and try to not buy them So we shouldn't 00:05:46.089 --> 00:05:49.370 eat animals. Eat animals and cause harm to animals, 00:05:49.389 --> 00:05:50.649 pretty much. That's what I'm saying with the 00:05:50.649 --> 00:05:53.110 table. Do you get the debates of, like, oh, but 00:05:53.110 --> 00:05:57.449 what about Venus fly traps? They're alive? Venus 00:05:57.449 --> 00:05:59.870 fly traps? Yes, oh my gosh. Aren't other animals, 00:05:59.930 --> 00:06:02.529 like, trees speak to each other? Like, how do 00:06:02.529 --> 00:06:06.110 you feel about eating a salad now? Yeah, that 00:06:06.110 --> 00:06:08.410 is very common, and that's part of the reason 00:06:08.410 --> 00:06:11.129 why I did the, that there's nothing wrong with 00:06:11.129 --> 00:06:14.279 animal cruelty, because what I can do... I can 00:06:14.279 --> 00:06:16.379 pretend like I'm actually okay with cruelty and 00:06:16.379 --> 00:06:18.339 then I'll give all of the common arguments people 00:06:18.339 --> 00:06:20.480 give against the veganism and they'll reject 00:06:20.480 --> 00:06:22.500 them like I'll say like what about the plants 00:06:22.500 --> 00:06:24.240 and they'll immediately reject it because that's 00:06:24.240 --> 00:06:26.480 ridiculous plants don't feel pain they don't 00:06:26.480 --> 00:06:27.740 have a central nervous system they don't have 00:06:27.740 --> 00:06:30.519 pain receptors and so when I reveal that I'm 00:06:30.519 --> 00:06:32.839 vegan they can't now go back to that as a defense 00:06:32.839 --> 00:06:35.040 because they already rejected it so it is kind 00:06:35.040 --> 00:06:37.319 of like a rage you want to catch them in that 00:06:37.319 --> 00:06:41.180 act you want to be like oh like You're actually 00:06:41.180 --> 00:06:44.600 for veganism. You don't know it. Yeah, so yeah, 00:06:44.620 --> 00:06:50.180 I mean I feel like that's pretty Simplistic ish 00:06:50.180 --> 00:06:54.339 yeah, I think I'm using that word correctly Correctly, 00:06:54.439 --> 00:06:58.660 but I use that so often Correctly isn't that 00:06:58.660 --> 00:07:01.720 that's a word. Oh, I it just sounds so wrong 00:07:01.720 --> 00:07:04.839 It just doesn't sound like a word, and I'm just 00:07:04.839 --> 00:07:09.540 yeah correctly corrected Correct, I don't know 00:07:10.080 --> 00:07:13.620 I haven't used proper grammar in such a long 00:07:13.620 --> 00:07:20.779 time. Okay. So what do people say when they agree 00:07:20.779 --> 00:07:24.259 with you though? Like they're already vegan or 00:07:24.259 --> 00:07:28.300 they agree that animal cruelty is good? Or that. 00:07:33.339 --> 00:07:36.660 So when people just say that, oh I actually agree 00:07:36.660 --> 00:07:38.600 like animal cruelty is like totally fine. Then 00:07:38.600 --> 00:07:40.100 I just reveal that I'm vegan, and then I give 00:07:40.100 --> 00:07:47.579 them the arguments from that side. They're already 00:07:47.579 --> 00:07:49.759 at the point where they're kind of very bad. 00:07:50.259 --> 00:07:53.339 There's no animal cruelty is already wrong that 00:07:53.339 --> 00:07:56.939 I can work from. So I have to start giving a 00:07:56.939 --> 00:08:00.660 consistency test between humans and animals. 00:08:01.120 --> 00:08:04.639 I usually do this dialogue tree called Name the 00:08:04.639 --> 00:08:08.420 Trait, which is getting people to Like what's 00:08:08.420 --> 00:08:10.519 the morally relevant distinction that allows 00:08:10.519 --> 00:08:13.939 us to? Say that it's okay to kill a cow for a 00:08:13.939 --> 00:08:16.480 hamburger But it's not okay to kill like a random 00:08:16.480 --> 00:08:19.720 person on the street for a hamburger right and 00:08:19.720 --> 00:08:22.399 Typically when people try to name those differences 00:08:22.399 --> 00:08:26.220 they fall apart very quickly upon a little bit 00:08:26.220 --> 00:08:28.259 of introspection So I'll get people say stuff 00:08:28.259 --> 00:08:32.419 like oh Well the reason why it's wrong to kill 00:08:32.419 --> 00:08:35.440 humans is because humans are intelligent. I'm 00:08:35.440 --> 00:08:39.909 like well There are some people that have a severe 00:08:39.909 --> 00:08:42.350 mental disability into where they do fall below 00:08:42.350 --> 00:08:44.509 the intelligence of some non -human animal. Yeah, 00:08:44.690 --> 00:08:47.470 kill them. Some people will say that, and then 00:08:47.470 --> 00:08:49.289 there's actually, I've just won the debate at 00:08:49.289 --> 00:08:51.549 that point, I just end the conversation. Because 00:08:51.549 --> 00:08:53.350 I've just shown their view to be ridiculous. 00:08:54.389 --> 00:08:57.529 I think a lot of people at heart, once they reflect 00:08:57.529 --> 00:09:00.629 on those reasons, they eventually will make that 00:09:00.629 --> 00:09:03.190 decision to go vegan. No, no, that makes sense. 00:09:03.419 --> 00:09:05.740 Are there some specific people who are okay with 00:09:05.740 --> 00:09:09.480 some animal cruelty, and then some, they're like, 00:09:09.700 --> 00:09:13.220 eh, that one is not okay, this one's fine? Me 00:09:13.220 --> 00:09:17.179 personally, not vegan, but I have a huge problem 00:09:17.179 --> 00:09:20.200 with chicken wings because you can eat so many 00:09:20.200 --> 00:09:22.539 of them, and a lot of people don't realize, or 00:09:22.539 --> 00:09:24.879 don't remember in the moment, chicken wings, 00:09:25.159 --> 00:09:29.720 there's only two per chicken. Yeah. I didn't 00:09:29.720 --> 00:09:32.889 even think about it. So like you're basically 00:09:32.889 --> 00:09:36.669 killing so many chickens just for those two wings. 00:09:37.370 --> 00:09:41.509 Yeah. And you can get a 12 chicken wing and you 00:09:41.509 --> 00:09:45.370 just killed six chickens. So I'm not necessarily 00:09:45.370 --> 00:09:50.590 against all, but I have a huge issue with chicken 00:09:50.590 --> 00:09:53.110 wings for that specific problem. That's why I 00:09:53.110 --> 00:09:57.230 like doing like eating chicken tenders. compared 00:09:57.230 --> 00:10:00.809 to chicken wings, or I think boneless is also 00:10:00.809 --> 00:10:03.330 the relevance of the chicken tender, because 00:10:03.330 --> 00:10:06.090 I'm like, it's not a wing, so you're using the 00:10:06.090 --> 00:10:09.029 other parts of the chicken. But I really hate 00:10:09.029 --> 00:10:11.549 chicken wings for that one reason. That's just 00:10:11.549 --> 00:10:14.950 random, but I feel like it's on topic. Is it 00:10:14.950 --> 00:10:16.610 because you're against killing chickens or something? 00:10:16.789 --> 00:10:19.990 I just think that's so wrong. Like, you're not 00:10:19.990 --> 00:10:25.429 specific to chickens, but that you can eat what? 00:10:26.529 --> 00:10:30.509 There's a, is it at Buffalo Wild Wings specifically, 00:10:30.789 --> 00:10:35.690 there's like a 50 piece chicken wings that you 00:10:35.690 --> 00:10:39.169 can get and that's 25 chickens that you've killed 00:10:39.169 --> 00:10:42.309 just for that one meal and imagine like a party 00:10:42.309 --> 00:10:46.850 of five getting that and that's so many. Yeah 00:10:46.850 --> 00:10:49.070 and then like they don't finish all the wings 00:10:49.070 --> 00:10:52.429 so then you just waste it. Like 15 chickens. 00:10:52.490 --> 00:10:55.389 Right. Yeah. Yeah of course I'm gonna say that. 00:10:55.519 --> 00:10:58.960 you can always kill zero chickens. But the amount 00:10:58.960 --> 00:11:02.139 of animals that die in animal agriculture is 00:11:02.139 --> 00:11:04.779 unfathomable. I want you guys to take a guess. 00:11:04.879 --> 00:11:08.679 So what do you think it is? I was gonna, the 00:11:08.679 --> 00:11:11.440 amount of animals, I do wanna say it's millions 00:11:11.440 --> 00:11:14.340 to maybe billions. It's billions, hundreds of 00:11:14.340 --> 00:11:16.679 billions of animals every single year. Damn. 00:11:17.659 --> 00:11:19.940 And that's not including, if you include sea 00:11:19.940 --> 00:11:24.559 creatures, it's trillions. It's absolutely unfathomable. 00:11:25.220 --> 00:11:27.679 the amount of suffering that gets caused. Are 00:11:27.679 --> 00:11:30.679 you a part of like the whole pescatarian side 00:11:30.679 --> 00:11:33.480 where like you can eat fish or what's the one, 00:11:33.740 --> 00:11:38.419 oh clams? Clams is like a on and off vegan like 00:11:38.419 --> 00:11:41.379 debate of if it's vegan or not because clams 00:11:41.379 --> 00:11:45.159 aren't as sentient as other fish or mussels I 00:11:45.159 --> 00:11:49.559 think it is. Mussels, so fish definitely not, 00:11:49.559 --> 00:11:53.500 definitely not vegan. Things like muscles, things 00:11:53.500 --> 00:11:54.960 that don't have a central nervous system, but 00:11:54.960 --> 00:11:58.860 still are part of the kingdom of animals. Those, 00:11:59.019 --> 00:12:02.320 in my moral view, are all vegan. I wouldn't consider 00:12:02.320 --> 00:12:07.480 a problem with that. It's pretty much... I grant 00:12:07.480 --> 00:12:10.759 rights based on if something is sentient enough 00:12:10.759 --> 00:12:14.159 for me to care about, and so I just... Like honey? 00:12:14.399 --> 00:12:18.539 Yeah. Well, that's a more big... That's a bigger 00:12:18.539 --> 00:12:23.259 one? I personally don't find anything wrong with 00:12:23.259 --> 00:12:26.379 honey because a lot of the very harmful practices 00:12:26.379 --> 00:12:29.159 that they did, I'm not convinced that those are 00:12:29.159 --> 00:12:32.539 industry standard and I'm also not convinced 00:12:32.539 --> 00:12:34.679 that bees are sentient to a degree in which we 00:12:34.679 --> 00:12:38.720 would care much about. Aren't bees the ones that 00:12:38.720 --> 00:12:42.039 like they did the scientific experiment you turn 00:12:42.039 --> 00:12:45.779 off the light and they just stop flying? I'm 00:12:45.779 --> 00:12:48.039 not sure about that. I don't know about that. 00:12:48.039 --> 00:12:50.539 But that's what I remember and then you can like 00:12:50.539 --> 00:12:53.659 freeze a wasp or a bee and they'll just like 00:12:53.659 --> 00:12:56.980 go to sleep and then You'll have a like a pet 00:12:56.980 --> 00:12:58.860 bee on a string is what I remember in middle 00:12:58.860 --> 00:13:01.000 school. I've seen that I wouldn't recommend that 00:13:01.000 --> 00:13:05.759 they do remember faces Yeah, no, I do know that 00:13:05.759 --> 00:13:08.059 but if that's not sentient enough for you for 00:13:08.059 --> 00:13:11.139 them to remember faces I mean, so do crows True. 00:13:11.279 --> 00:13:14.480 Mm -hmm. Yeah I don't know if we will have time 00:13:14.480 --> 00:13:17.419 enough to get into the neuroscience. But there 00:13:17.419 --> 00:13:19.519 are strong reasons to believe that a crow is 00:13:19.519 --> 00:13:21.740 more sentient than a bee. Oh, wonder with that. 00:13:22.259 --> 00:13:25.440 So where people are going to draw the line is 00:13:25.440 --> 00:13:28.259 going to be different. But at the very least, 00:13:28.879 --> 00:13:31.720 we know that dogs are sentient enough to care 00:13:31.720 --> 00:13:35.639 about. So certainly, the animals that we eat 00:13:35.639 --> 00:13:37.940 on a daily basis are going to be sentient enough 00:13:37.940 --> 00:13:40.100 to care about, like chickens and cows, pigs. 00:13:41.840 --> 00:13:44.690 Yeah, I'm with the. I'm trying to get a club 00:13:44.690 --> 00:13:48.230 started called Allied Scholars for Animal Protection. 00:13:48.309 --> 00:13:51.409 That's like the head thing, but they do lots 00:13:51.409 --> 00:13:56.149 of vegan outreach. There's one table that they 00:13:56.149 --> 00:14:00.649 have. It's like a dog farm. So like you have 00:14:00.649 --> 00:14:03.330 a table and it's like free dog meat and you can 00:14:03.330 --> 00:14:06.830 engage people in that way. If people are against 00:14:06.830 --> 00:14:09.750 dog meat, it's very, very easy to just like make 00:14:09.750 --> 00:14:11.230 the contradiction. Like why are you drawing the 00:14:11.230 --> 00:14:14.000 line between dogs and cows? Right, so it's more 00:14:14.000 --> 00:14:18.919 of like what animals are more obedient to you 00:14:18.919 --> 00:14:23.759 kind of deal like What do they call it when a? 00:14:23.840 --> 00:14:27.480 Like animal has succumbed to the human nation 00:14:27.480 --> 00:14:31.279 or whatever's like companion domestic domesticated 00:14:31.279 --> 00:14:34.100 is what the word that I was looking for I just 00:14:34.100 --> 00:14:37.620 wasn't popping into my head so like People at 00:14:37.620 --> 00:14:40.519 the time they're like thinking about foxes and 00:14:40.519 --> 00:14:45.419 raccoons Now they're becoming more friendly towards 00:14:45.419 --> 00:14:48.120 humans, same with squirrels. And I know a lot 00:14:48.120 --> 00:14:50.559 of people, oh, I used to have a neighbor who 00:14:50.559 --> 00:14:54.879 had that little steamer or a smoker in the back, 00:14:54.960 --> 00:14:58.220 and he would catch squirrels and grill them there. 00:14:58.440 --> 00:15:01.779 It's disgusting. No, I always thought that was 00:15:01.779 --> 00:15:03.039 wrong, because I was like, what the fuck are 00:15:03.039 --> 00:15:09.659 they? Don't bleep it. What the heck are they 00:15:09.659 --> 00:15:13.779 doing to you? Like, duh. Well, there you go. 00:15:15.620 --> 00:15:20.200 Squirrels aren't that bad. They're not that bad. 00:15:20.419 --> 00:15:23.580 So all I would ask is to just think, what did 00:15:23.580 --> 00:15:25.720 the cow do? What did the pig do? What did the 00:15:25.720 --> 00:15:29.559 chicken do? I also, oh, another personal preference. 00:15:29.899 --> 00:15:34.269 I'm kind of against pig meat. I hate that they, 00:15:34.330 --> 00:15:35.990 like, they don't have sweat glands. They're so 00:15:35.990 --> 00:15:39.309 gross. They're disgusting. They're cute, cute 00:15:39.309 --> 00:15:41.730 animals, but. The pig industry is like the worst. 00:15:41.789 --> 00:15:43.950 I used to have a pet pig when I was younger. 00:15:44.190 --> 00:15:46.730 We couldn't keep them because there's actually 00:15:46.730 --> 00:15:49.690 laws on the books that prevent you from keeping 00:15:49.690 --> 00:15:52.850 quote unquote farm animals. On land. Unless you 00:15:52.850 --> 00:15:54.289 have a certain amount of land. Like you just 00:15:54.289 --> 00:15:55.830 can't keep them as pet, which I think is ridiculous. 00:15:57.389 --> 00:16:01.649 But yeah, so pigs, what they do in the pig industry 00:16:01.649 --> 00:16:03.419 is. is the way that they kill them is they will 00:16:03.419 --> 00:16:07.200 put them into a CO2 gas chamber with high amounts 00:16:07.200 --> 00:16:10.840 of concentrations of CO2, which will burn their 00:16:10.840 --> 00:16:13.539 lungs and their eyes, and they'll suffocate. 00:16:14.120 --> 00:16:16.720 And then after that, they'll do pretty other 00:16:16.720 --> 00:16:18.240 violent things that I don't know if I can say 00:16:18.240 --> 00:16:20.440 on here. But you can go look into it for yourself. 00:16:22.120 --> 00:16:24.840 A lot of people don't know the things that they 00:16:24.840 --> 00:16:27.679 do to animals. Yeah, no. I'm just like, I can't. 00:16:27.690 --> 00:16:31.289 I mean I feel like I'd be more okay with it like 00:16:31.289 --> 00:16:35.409 the animals that grow old live a nice happy life 00:16:35.409 --> 00:16:38.529 And then you know either die naturally or have 00:16:38.529 --> 00:16:43.889 to be like shot to put down or like so you can 00:16:43.889 --> 00:16:47.610 preserve the meats I feel like that's way more 00:16:47.610 --> 00:16:51.809 on my like okay morals, and I also think that 00:16:51.809 --> 00:16:57.720 to an extent some Have specific opinions about 00:16:57.720 --> 00:17:01.019 chicken wings. I hate only eating chicken wings 00:17:01.019 --> 00:17:05.980 love them hate them though. I would hope that 00:17:05.980 --> 00:17:09.039 I personally wouldn't have a problem if that 00:17:09.039 --> 00:17:13.299 was What the industry was like where it's like 00:17:13.299 --> 00:17:14.920 putting down a dog to where like you let them 00:17:14.920 --> 00:17:18.619 live out their life I wouldn't I wouldn't find 00:17:18.619 --> 00:17:21.599 anything wrong with that unfortunately though 00:17:21.599 --> 00:17:26.680 That a lot of people have told me that And that 00:17:26.680 --> 00:17:30.059 type of meat does not exist. It's like not on 00:17:30.059 --> 00:17:33.299 the market because it takes thousands of dollars 00:17:33.299 --> 00:17:39.220 to raise a cow or a chicken. You would not be 00:17:39.220 --> 00:17:42.619 able to profit off of that. And so that meat 00:17:42.619 --> 00:17:45.299 doesn't exist. I think the solution to people's 00:17:45.299 --> 00:17:48.359 cognitive dissonance on this issue is to just 00:17:48.359 --> 00:17:50.819 abstain from animal products. It's possible. 00:17:52.240 --> 00:17:56.480 There are lots of vegans where around. Yeah. 00:17:56.960 --> 00:18:00.000 And then I know you had some questions to like, 00:18:00.160 --> 00:18:02.779 I don't know. You got all of them. Really? Yes. 00:18:03.259 --> 00:18:07.940 Oh, I apologize. No, you're good. I'm just listening. 00:18:08.079 --> 00:18:11.119 I mean, only other thing would be like, how long 00:18:11.119 --> 00:18:15.900 have you been vegan? I want to say for at least 00:18:15.900 --> 00:18:17.680 three years, but I kind of lost count at this 00:18:17.680 --> 00:18:21.180 point. I was I went vegetarian and like middle 00:18:21.180 --> 00:18:24.200 school, but I didn't like. But that was more 00:18:24.200 --> 00:18:29.039 of a, I thought it would be healthier. But vegan, 00:18:29.400 --> 00:18:31.319 I was probably hit with that ethical argument 00:18:31.319 --> 00:18:35.259 probably right before college. And I think that's 00:18:35.259 --> 00:18:38.599 when I went hardcore vegan. No animal products. 00:18:40.519 --> 00:18:43.339 Right, right. And then for the students of Johnson 00:18:43.339 --> 00:18:45.980 County, you said that you may be starting a club. 00:18:46.079 --> 00:18:48.880 Do you want to speak more about getting that 00:18:48.880 --> 00:18:52.400 started and how other people can... can be drawn 00:18:52.400 --> 00:18:57.420 to that club. So once we get the club called 00:18:57.420 --> 00:18:59.779 Allied Scholars for Animal Protection, we'll 00:18:59.779 --> 00:19:01.819 have posters up where you can scan a QR code 00:19:01.819 --> 00:19:04.220 and you can put in your information if you want 00:19:04.220 --> 00:19:06.819 to do outreach with us or if you feel like you 00:19:06.819 --> 00:19:10.039 need help. A lot of people, this is the real 00:19:10.039 --> 00:19:13.680 thing, there's this mental block because they 00:19:13.680 --> 00:19:15.339 think it will be really, really difficult to 00:19:15.339 --> 00:19:18.500 be vegan. It's not, but they just don't know. 00:19:18.940 --> 00:19:21.400 what to do or where to go to get information. 00:19:21.799 --> 00:19:24.680 And so the idea of the club is going to provide 00:19:24.680 --> 00:19:27.079 information like that. If you want to go vegan, 00:19:27.119 --> 00:19:29.400 I will personally handhold you through that entire 00:19:29.400 --> 00:19:32.700 process. It's not as difficult as people think. 00:19:32.759 --> 00:19:35.140 Just take a multivitamin and get your basic nutrients 00:19:35.140 --> 00:19:38.700 in. Yeah, and then what are some meat alternatives 00:19:38.700 --> 00:19:41.740 that you... Because I know people know the basics 00:19:41.740 --> 00:19:46.940 like tofu. And then there's Beyond Burger. That's 00:19:46.940 --> 00:19:51.500 it, Beyond Burger. For meat substitutes specifically, 00:19:52.480 --> 00:19:54.460 you want to make it super cheap. There's this, 00:19:54.460 --> 00:20:02.380 there's this, it's called seitan. It's called 00:20:02.380 --> 00:20:05.839 a hail Satan, but like it's seitan, S -E -I -T 00:20:05.839 --> 00:20:09.660 -A -N. And it's a meat substitute. You make it 00:20:09.660 --> 00:20:12.960 out of like a vital wheat gluten and has so much 00:20:12.960 --> 00:20:15.140 protein in it. It's like for very, very cheap. 00:20:15.440 --> 00:20:17.359 And you can make it at home and that's the cheapest 00:20:17.359 --> 00:20:22.269 way to do it. There's also tofu. Beyond Meat, 00:20:22.450 --> 00:20:25.630 if you are into that sort of thing. I personally 00:20:25.630 --> 00:20:27.289 don't do Beyond Meat, because it's a little bit 00:20:27.289 --> 00:20:29.490 expensive for me, and I like to live cheaply. 00:20:30.650 --> 00:20:33.470 But yeah, there's tons of vegan options, especially 00:20:33.470 --> 00:20:37.190 in today's day and age. Like, I know some older 00:20:37.190 --> 00:20:39.150 vegans who were vegan before, like Beyond Meat 00:20:39.150 --> 00:20:42.730 even existed. And I'm like, they see that we 00:20:42.730 --> 00:20:44.970 have it easy with how many options we have. You 00:20:44.970 --> 00:20:47.430 can go out to lots of restaurants now, and they 00:20:47.430 --> 00:20:50.059 just will have like a Beyond Burger. Yeah, like 00:20:50.059 --> 00:20:52.859 a vegan option or a substitute of some sort. 00:20:53.119 --> 00:20:54.779 Yeah, that's not a salad or a bean burger. They'll 00:20:54.779 --> 00:20:57.920 have more than that. I forgot about black bean 00:20:57.920 --> 00:21:03.299 burgers. We had one in high school, and that's 00:21:03.299 --> 00:21:05.440 like the only one I've ever remembered. They 00:21:05.440 --> 00:21:07.960 served it to you, like in the cafeteria? Yeah, 00:21:08.000 --> 00:21:11.740 we had a pretty good cafeteria at Blue Valley 00:21:11.740 --> 00:21:15.220 North. Right, you were in Blue Valley. Yeah, 00:21:15.299 --> 00:21:20.329 we were. Sorry, guys. No, we had a really good, 00:21:20.329 --> 00:21:22.750 I miss our cafeteria. There's like two lines 00:21:22.750 --> 00:21:25.289 that you can walk across. There's this one side 00:21:25.289 --> 00:21:30.390 that had hot dogs, hamburger, cheeseburger, black 00:21:30.390 --> 00:21:33.410 bean burger, and then a chicken sandwich, and 00:21:33.410 --> 00:21:35.910 then a spicy chicken sandwich. And they would 00:21:35.910 --> 00:21:38.809 have those wrapped up and everything. And then 00:21:38.809 --> 00:21:41.369 next to it, there was pizzas. So in the middle, 00:21:41.609 --> 00:21:45.359 we had a Pizza Hut sponsorship. So we would have 00:21:45.359 --> 00:21:48.299 Pizza Hut pizza, just like Johnson County has 00:21:48.299 --> 00:21:51.799 down there. But we'd get a new shipment every 00:21:51.799 --> 00:21:55.180 day of Pizza Hut pizzas. And I'm pretty sure 00:21:55.180 --> 00:21:56.559 they might have been frozen, and we just throw 00:21:56.559 --> 00:22:00.859 them in the oven. But we had those. And then 00:22:00.859 --> 00:22:04.579 there was a whole other section on this side, 00:22:04.599 --> 00:22:09.019 and I'm pretty sure it was just the breakfast 00:22:09.019 --> 00:22:15.059 of cereals and... granolas, yogurts, et cetera. 00:22:15.460 --> 00:22:17.920 And in the middle we had a salad bar. And then 00:22:17.920 --> 00:22:21.519 on the right side there was like this milk section, 00:22:22.059 --> 00:22:25.039 milk and juice. On the other side there was desserts. 00:22:26.079 --> 00:22:28.599 Desserts? We had like cookies and muffins, I'm 00:22:28.599 --> 00:22:34.509 pretty sure. Okay. And then... I'm like... Everything. 00:22:34.569 --> 00:22:37.549 Yeah. Sounds like it. We had apples, bananas, 00:22:37.869 --> 00:22:41.369 oranges, and then chips whenever we would walk 00:22:41.369 --> 00:22:43.990 in. Then Rice Krispie treats were also won. They 00:22:43.990 --> 00:22:46.210 hand -made Rice Krispie treats or something because 00:22:46.210 --> 00:22:50.130 they were in bags. And then there was also the 00:22:50.130 --> 00:22:52.730 Rice Krispie treats from Rice Krispie. Right. 00:22:53.450 --> 00:22:56.690 We just had the Rice Krispie ones. I never got 00:22:56.690 --> 00:22:59.160 them because I don't like Rice Krispies. Had 00:22:59.160 --> 00:23:01.660 those you have to side with your juice and your 00:23:01.660 --> 00:23:03.859 milk and it was just orange juice apple juice 00:23:03.859 --> 00:23:07.619 and chocolate milk and regular milk. Yeah strawberry 00:23:07.619 --> 00:23:11.099 milk probably but That and then you had the other 00:23:11.099 --> 00:23:13.980 section where all like the main food is so they 00:23:13.980 --> 00:23:17.079 had like the mandarin oranges there and like 00:23:17.079 --> 00:23:20.460 the salad and whatever else they're serving for 00:23:20.460 --> 00:23:24.920 the day and they had like the spicy chicken sandwiches 00:23:24.920 --> 00:23:30.609 wrapped up before but Yeah, we had muffins. Yeah, 00:23:30.609 --> 00:23:34.150 like right next to it too. There was like Choice 00:23:34.150 --> 00:23:36.390 of sides like the burgers. There was like a french 00:23:36.390 --> 00:23:40.009 fry or like something else. Yeah, what was it 00:23:40.009 --> 00:23:42.849 like? Sometimes we'd have like Bosco sticks and 00:23:42.849 --> 00:23:54.309 stuff like that And then there was like the ones 00:23:54.309 --> 00:23:58.650 that I really like crave every now and then are 00:23:58.650 --> 00:24:04.609 the They're like chicken tender kind of things 00:24:04.609 --> 00:24:10.509 But we had a lot I'm due to a Blue Valley North 00:24:10.509 --> 00:24:15.630 visit and If you want to come by you're more 00:24:15.630 --> 00:24:17.589 than welcome to I still remember my old lunch 00:24:17.589 --> 00:24:20.549 code I'll just use my brothers, but I remember 00:24:20.549 --> 00:24:23.170 mine No, I'm just gonna go in and be like hey, 00:24:23.269 --> 00:24:27.099 I'm gonna take this this and this My brother's 00:24:27.099 --> 00:24:29.819 name is this or I'll just have the SROs or I'll 00:24:29.819 --> 00:24:33.160 just pay with cash Because they allow cash payments, 00:24:33.200 --> 00:24:37.619 but I do kind of miss Bosco sticks, dude I'm 00:24:37.619 --> 00:24:41.200 craving a high school lunch right now Like that 00:24:41.200 --> 00:24:43.859 sounds so good. We have like two different kinds 00:24:43.859 --> 00:24:45.619 of Bosco sticks so there was like the regular 00:24:45.619 --> 00:24:48.619 ones that look like breadsticks and then there's 00:24:48.619 --> 00:24:52.759 ones that are like They look like cheesy bread. 00:24:52.980 --> 00:24:55.640 Yeah, I think that's the one I'm thinking of 00:24:56.660 --> 00:24:58.819 And they were just like, they're flat and you 00:24:58.819 --> 00:25:01.099 just kind of pull them apart. They're so good 00:25:01.099 --> 00:25:04.019 and so cheap. I like cheese a lot, even though 00:25:04.019 --> 00:25:09.839 I'm lactose intolerant. You're not a baby cow, 00:25:09.900 --> 00:25:14.779 it's okay. It'd be the most lactose intolerant 00:25:14.779 --> 00:25:16.079 people that'd be eating the most amount of cheese. 00:25:16.420 --> 00:25:23.759 Yes it is. Besides that we have lactose intolerant 00:25:23.759 --> 00:25:26.259 people. gluten -free people that also just eat 00:25:26.259 --> 00:25:28.880 a bunch of gluten whenever they get home. Just 00:25:28.880 --> 00:25:30.519 like, you know, I'm home. I don't have to deal 00:25:30.519 --> 00:25:33.519 with people. It'll just hurt my stomach. Yeah, 00:25:33.819 --> 00:25:36.500 yeah. I can deal with the consequences later. 00:25:37.339 --> 00:25:40.960 I'm already home. For vegan options of candy, 00:25:41.039 --> 00:25:44.359 I know it's pretty limited, because there's, 00:25:44.359 --> 00:25:48.480 what is it, gelatin that has bone in it? Yeah, 00:25:48.619 --> 00:25:52.230 so. There are a lot of candies that use gelatin, 00:25:52.390 --> 00:25:54.589 but a lot of the candies that you'll see they 00:25:54.589 --> 00:25:56.930 use gelatin But they use a plant alternative 00:25:56.930 --> 00:26:00.450 which is called gelatin pectin And a lot of candies 00:26:00.450 --> 00:26:03.089 use that so you can just they're just a lot of 00:26:03.089 --> 00:26:09.589 vegan alternatives Really so it's called gelatin 00:26:09.589 --> 00:26:14.970 pectin yeah, and is there ever like Like a plant 00:26:14.970 --> 00:26:19.759 on the thing or anything to it's I mean Typically 00:26:19.759 --> 00:26:21.440 you just have to look at the back it depends 00:26:21.440 --> 00:26:24.000 on the company like some companies will advertise 00:26:24.000 --> 00:26:27.079 that it's a vegan product some companies will 00:26:27.079 --> 00:26:29.799 Not state it something that a lot of people don't 00:26:29.799 --> 00:26:37.180 know is vegan is like Oreos Jolly Ranchers are 00:26:37.180 --> 00:26:43.519 probably I mean, it's it's just sugar. Yeah They 00:26:43.519 --> 00:26:45.579 have there's like a vegan alternative for everything 00:26:45.579 --> 00:26:49.680 now like in stores like there's Oat milk ice 00:26:49.680 --> 00:26:52.660 cream, there's almond milk ice cream. Anything 00:26:52.660 --> 00:26:55.380 you can imagine is probably there. I drink oat 00:26:55.380 --> 00:26:58.640 milk. It's really good. I do like oat milk. It's 00:26:58.640 --> 00:27:03.140 creamier, in my opinion. Yeah. But have you listened 00:27:03.140 --> 00:27:06.420 to our past podcast episodes? I have not yet, 00:27:06.420 --> 00:27:10.440 no. No? So do you want to ask the question? The 00:27:10.440 --> 00:27:12.759 question? Wait. You don't remember it, or do 00:27:12.759 --> 00:27:16.339 you need me to? If you were shrunk to the size 00:27:16.339 --> 00:27:20.589 of a pencil, right? and put into a blender. How 00:27:20.589 --> 00:27:24.829 would you get out? How would I get out? Okay. 00:27:25.269 --> 00:27:28.069 I'm struck to the size instead of a pencil. Yes. 00:27:29.410 --> 00:27:31.829 So you're just like, you're shrunk maybe like 00:27:31.829 --> 00:27:34.069 five inches tall and you're put into a blender. 00:27:34.509 --> 00:27:36.589 How do you get out of the blender? How big is 00:27:36.589 --> 00:27:40.009 the blender? Normal blender size. It's not like 00:27:40.009 --> 00:27:43.349 anything fancy like a ninja. Just like your average 00:27:43.349 --> 00:27:51.259 blender. I mean if you're strong enough you could 00:27:51.259 --> 00:27:53.859 like go back and forth try to knock the blender 00:27:53.859 --> 00:28:00.039 over You have those blades though, in the middle 00:28:00.039 --> 00:28:05.720 Is it on? No, but If you, if the pencil is small 00:28:05.720 --> 00:28:09.900 enough, or me if I'm small enough you can like 00:28:09.900 --> 00:28:12.980 You can like bend yourself up against the wall 00:28:12.980 --> 00:28:15.420 and then push up like with your legs and then 00:28:15.420 --> 00:28:22.089 like inch up the way That's probably the only 00:28:22.089 --> 00:28:25.170 way. I don't think you're not jumping out. That's 00:28:25.170 --> 00:28:28.549 probably not. I'd assume, I mean, in case that's 00:28:28.549 --> 00:28:30.509 one of the options, then that is a possibility, 00:28:30.650 --> 00:28:33.410 but I don't think that if I was that small, I'd 00:28:33.410 --> 00:28:36.329 be able to jump that high. All right, so the 00:28:36.329 --> 00:28:41.950 past interviewee that we had, our guest, per 00:28:41.950 --> 00:28:45.130 se. He said that he would use his claimy hands 00:28:45.130 --> 00:28:49.670 to stick on the side and jump out. And so you're 00:28:49.670 --> 00:28:54.410 saying that you'll run and try to knock the blender 00:28:54.410 --> 00:28:57.190 over to get out. All right. I actually kinda 00:28:57.190 --> 00:28:59.630 like that. Top two answers, because there are 00:28:59.630 --> 00:29:03.970 only two answers. But yeah, we wanted to thank 00:29:03.970 --> 00:29:07.529 you for being on the podcast. Of course. It's 00:29:07.529 --> 00:29:11.819 been a pleasure learning about veganism. Well, 00:29:11.819 --> 00:29:17.200 not being innocent, but dying innocent. Zach's 00:29:17.200 --> 00:29:21.619 looking at me like, wrap this up right now. Huh? 00:29:23.359 --> 00:29:29.099 Oh, I said a bad word. My bad, guys. Anyways, 00:29:30.019 --> 00:29:33.200 thank you for joining us, and thank you for finding 00:29:33.200 --> 00:29:36.599 him off the side of the road. It was so kind 00:29:36.599 --> 00:29:40.509 of you. to give them shelter and food in this 00:29:40.509 --> 00:29:41.990 tough economy. Yeah, I took them from in front 00:29:41.990 --> 00:29:46.029 of the library. Yeah, no. So yeah, that's typically 00:29:46.029 --> 00:29:47.630 where you can find me, in front of the library. 00:29:48.109 --> 00:29:50.930 When we get our club, you may find me in the 00:29:50.930 --> 00:29:52.670 lunch room. We'll do stuff there, where people 00:29:52.670 --> 00:29:55.650 are eating their food. Right, and you just call 00:29:55.650 --> 00:29:59.130 them out as, witch! Yes, exactly. Just whenever 00:29:59.130 --> 00:30:01.710 they walk. Well, that's like what popped in my 00:30:01.710 --> 00:30:06.119 head. Why? Like murder for like eating meat. 00:30:06.299 --> 00:30:08.460 Okay. It's like where my head went, but I don't 00:30:08.460 --> 00:30:12.500 know if we can say that so which That's also 00:30:12.500 --> 00:30:14.819 something we do frequently. I don't know why 00:30:14.819 --> 00:30:20.440 you're laughing at me We should be with you. 00:30:21.019 --> 00:30:23.339 Oh, we totally could yeah, and then he's just 00:30:23.339 --> 00:30:29.480 gonna be Luffy from one piece. Yep He has the 00:30:29.480 --> 00:30:31.059 accent you're right you already got the tattoo 00:30:31.839 --> 00:30:35.720 You need a webcam. Hold on, hold on. I do want 00:30:35.720 --> 00:30:43.339 to get one more thing before we go. This is going 00:30:43.339 --> 00:30:48.180 to be for our media team. I'll do it this way 00:30:48.180 --> 00:30:53.619 for her. Would flash be better? Who knows? BTS 00:30:53.619 --> 00:30:56.700 moment. No. I'm going to do flash, and then I'm 00:30:56.700 --> 00:31:00.859 going to... There we go. No, this looks... Awful 00:31:00.859 --> 00:31:06.440 with flash. Let me do one without Already It 00:31:06.440 --> 00:31:14.900 has like lines. Oops. Alrighty Anyways Thank 00:31:14.900 --> 00:31:17.799 you guys so much for joining us on this week's 00:31:17.799 --> 00:31:21.799 episode of main mic If you haven't already checked 00:31:21.799 --> 00:31:25.380 out our video on our YouTube channel Please do 00:31:25.380 --> 00:31:28.839 because we're working so hard to get this up 00:31:28.839 --> 00:31:33.230 every week just because it is quite irritating 00:31:33.230 --> 00:31:36.670 to try and set specific things up right now and 00:31:36.670 --> 00:31:39.309 figure out lighting. We didn't realize how difficult 00:31:39.309 --> 00:31:41.730 a video podcast would be until we actually did 00:31:41.730 --> 00:31:47.029 it. But we want to thank Zach. Israel worked 00:31:47.029 --> 00:31:53.109 on it a little bit and we also had Shayna. Thank 00:31:53.109 --> 00:31:55.329 you for giving me her name because I just met 00:31:55.329 --> 00:31:58.309 her today. All three of them including Mike for 00:31:58.309 --> 00:32:00.720 buying us new equipment. I want to thank all 00:32:00.720 --> 00:32:04.940 you guys for allowing us to be on video. But 00:32:04.940 --> 00:32:07.339 that's all that we have for this week. Hopefully 00:32:07.339 --> 00:32:09.440 our past episodes have kept you up to date until 00:32:09.440 --> 00:32:12.920 November 4th, which is pretty much all of the 00:32:12.920 --> 00:32:15.940 fall activities. And next week we will be back 00:32:15.940 --> 00:32:18.859 to news and we'll also have some short clips 00:32:18.859 --> 00:32:23.259 either with our school's SRO or our very own 00:32:23.259 --> 00:32:25.740 Jen talking about the government shutdown. But 00:32:25.740 --> 00:32:28.019 other than that, thank you guys so much for joining 00:32:28.019 --> 00:32:30.079 us. See you next week. Bye!