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I just grab it and I throw it up. I said, nah,

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that's too good to be true. And that shit went

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in. All right, welcome back to Entirely NBA,

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hosted by Entirely Media. I'm your host, Darion

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Robinson. Kyle Murph. And today we got a special

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guest with us, Jeremy Lamb. What's up, man? Well,

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it's good. It's good to have you. Before we even

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jump right into it, we did a post earlier in

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the week that we kind of want to get your opinion

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on real quick before we even talk about your

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journey. Is Boston a super team? Would you consider

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them a super team? I mean, I wouldn't say it's

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a super team. I think they have no weakness.

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They have a lot of players that could be smarts.

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But no, I wouldn't say it's a super team. They've

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got great players. Listen, so Kyle says it has

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to be definitive, right? You have to have three

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superstars, just like Miami had with Bosh, Wade,

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and Ron, right? But I said you can kind of get

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away with it with having two superstars and then

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surround them with a supporting cast and another

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all -star, similar to kind of like Phoenix had,

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right? Like when Phoenix was first put together

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with Katie, Brad, and Book, right? They were

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like, ah, Katie's on another super team. But

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my opinion, Bradley technically, after all the

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injuries, was more like an all -star to me. He

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wasn't a superstar. So that's kind of where I

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got that play from, where you can have two superstars

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and an all -star and a supporting cast. The difference

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in Boston, like somebody like Derek White, no

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one expected him to be that good. But I feel

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like the system, the coach, Tatum. Jalen, they,

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he fit so well with. Yeah. You know what I mean?

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Nobody was like, oh, let's bring these superstars

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here. Nah, they just made their team elite. My

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argument was that if you call someone a super

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team, it's almost discrediting to that team.

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Like, you got to give credit to the organization

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for building that team, Boston, like this year,

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to knock it down. Like, they didn't try to do

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something to stop something else. They drafted.

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They did what they had to do for that team. Like,

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that's my reason. No, bro. No, bro. But so that's

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saying that if you become a super team, no matter

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how you become it, that it's discrediting them.

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And I get that aspect, but. Just the name. Just

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the name. Man. Okay. Okay. Like, okay, see, bro,

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right? So, like, right now, great young talent

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on that team. If Shea, which I'm starting to

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consider him one, if he becomes a superstar,

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a legit superstar, and then what if Chet becomes

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one? Then you got Dort. Okay, but hold on. But

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hold on. First, we got to see what do you consider

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a super team? Yes. Yeah. So what's your opinion

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on that? Like me, I feel like a super team is

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when you bring all the best superheroes to one

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team. Okay. Yeah. Respect. But if you just build

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and get better, y 'all are a great team. Y 'all

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are not a super team. There we go. If that makes

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sense. I understand that. I appreciate that for

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clearing that up for me. Because I felt like

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I was right on that. But we're just going to

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jump right into it. All of us, you know, we all

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play ball. So what, like, got you to start just

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to pick up a basketball? What made you just start

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playing ball? I mean, my dad played. But I felt

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like they put a ball in my hand and I just, you

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know, start playing. I'd be outside shooting.

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And it was just, it was fire to me. When did

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you realize that you was better than most when

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it comes to that? Because, like, getting to the

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league, that's just, that's a goal in itself.

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So, like, when did you realize, like, NBA was

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your dream to get in there and just start that?

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Probably when, so I played in Peach Jam. And

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I had, like, I played good. Coach Calhoun. started

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looking at me or whatever, and he was sick. Like

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he was sick in the hospital, and he flew out

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to watch me play. Yeah, that's when you knew.

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So I was like, oh, I might be able to do something

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with this. I like that. I like that. So you brought

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up your father real quick, which I saw a video

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that I'm probably going to use. It was pre -draft,

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I think, you and him together. How much did he

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influence your game? A lot. I mean, he just...

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i told him i was like i want to be great and

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we'll be we'll go to school at like six o 'clock

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getting shots up school started at 7 10 and he

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was just there helping me every day he had camps

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in the summer and we played one -on -one like

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every day so a lot i like that I like that. Let

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me pivot real quick. We'll come right back to

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basketball. But I've been following you for a

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while. So when we talk about fashion, man, where

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did that come from? I don't know. Yeah. To be

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honest, I don't even like, I don't love fashion.

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I just, I just like to, you know, take care of

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myself and be good. Yeah. I like that. So, you

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know, you put something on, you feel good, play

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good. And it's just like the lifestyle. I want

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to talk about that college recruitment because

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that's a staple for your journey, man. Like when

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we talked to a group, just a consensus group

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that we talk about, you know, guests that we

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have, basketball, shit like that. We brought

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up your name and the first thing they said was,

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what did you say? UConn, Jeremy Lamb. I said,

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yes, yes. Yeah. So what was that recruitment

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like, man? What was your journey like? And did

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you consider any school other than UConn? Yeah,

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it was crazy. I wanted to go to, like, Georgia,

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Georgia Tech. Because I'm from Atlanta. Yeah.

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But I don't know. It didn't work out. And the

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first school, like, the big school that started

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recruiting me was UConn. And I just felt like

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they... actually like my game. Yeah. Other people

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just came in after, just was like, oh, you know,

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he's good. He could be good. Let's see what he

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do. But UConn was like, yo, I like this kid.

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So I went out there, they showed love, and that

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was the best decision. Yeah, I mean, to have

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one of... a big school like UConn coming out

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there like that's tough I'm gonna say especially

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like speaking like everybody knows about Kimball

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Walker like how was it playing with him like

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just playing alongside him and just being able

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to help out and get that championship it was

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crazy we just he made it easy on me you know

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what I'm saying everybody was like focused on

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him and I mean me I was just like I never been

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that player that's like super confident. Really?

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And he had all the confidence in the world. And

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he just, I don't know, he just put that on me.

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And we just, we just accepted him. So like his

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confidence on the court. Damn, I'm trying to

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figure out a better way to word it. His confidence

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on the court. Paul was rubbed off when it came

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to you being a better player. And you being like,

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to uplift yourself to be a better player to help

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lead the team. Yeah, just like going through

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the tournament, going through the biggies. He

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was like, I remember he had ripped shoes. And

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he was like, man, I had 30 last game in these

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shoes. He was like, I'm going to wear these again.

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I said, bro, get some new shoes. He's like, nah.

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Nah, I'm wearing these again. And he was killing

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it. And then not to focus on Kimba too much,

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but that, you know, that just notorious, that

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just greatest college shot ever. How was it watching

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that? Like just being on the court, being beside

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him, watching him hit that game winner? To be

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honest, I can't even explain it. you know i mean

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i still watch i still watch it sometimes and

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i'm like man like you know i was like living

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through that yeah but i didn't know what i was

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going through right yeah while i was going through

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it you know it's crazy about that because i've

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watched it a few times and obviously going up

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into this interview i've watched a lot what i

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see is not obviously hitting him in that shot

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i also see you wide open and do you know that

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during that stretch in that tournament You actually

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have one of the highest three -point percentages

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in NCAA history by a player who has reached the

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Final Four. You were 11 for 15 that year. So

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I say that to say, and anybody can watch this

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and replay it, you're watching Kimba, yeah. He's

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getting all the attention. He hits the shot.

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But you, too, you were in a position where at

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that point in time, whether Kimba took the shot

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or you, Jeremy Lamb, took that shot, it was more

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than likely a knockdown. Do you realize how well

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you were shooting at that time? You said. I had

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the best percentage. Yes, you have one of the

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highest three -point percentages in NCAA tournament

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history by a player who has actually reached

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the Final Four. Yeah, I had no clue. Yeah, bro.

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That's what I'm saying. So, I mean, at that time,

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did you feel like you could shoot with the best

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of them? I don't think so. I was just, like,

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young, just going through it. But, no, I didn't

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realize that. Yeah, bro. That's what I'm saying.

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Nice. That's fire. 11 -15 is tough, especially

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in big moments like that. But, yeah, so going

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into your freshman year, like when you were going

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into your freshman year, like you said already,

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like you weren't the most confident player in

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yourself. You knew that you were good, but you

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weren't the most confident. Like you were having

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some struggles. What were some of the words of

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encouragement that Karan Butler gave you while

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you were to get yourself back in shape? I actually

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didn't talk to him until I got to the league.

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You know, he was in OKC. But I just, when I was

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in college, I literally just, all I focused on

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was, like, getting in the gym. I was in the gym,

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like, every night. And my philosophy was, I wanted

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to go to the gym when I knew everybody else was

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at the club. Yeah. Because I'm like, okay, they're

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not getting better. I'm getting better at this

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time. I got to get better. I have to be better

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than them. Whether that was a competition, my

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teammates, whoever it was, it's like, I mean,

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I'm trying to be great. So, yeah, that's how

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it went. Did you ever go out while you were in

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college? Yeah, my second year, I went out. Step

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out a little bit. That's stupid. But yeah, my

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first year, I didn't go out at all. Well, after

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Kimba left, you're the next man up. So how did

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you feel? What was your mentality going in for

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that? So you were already part of the championship,

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next man up. What were your thoughts on being

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that guy? Honestly, I wasn't. I wasn't built

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for it. My second year, we should have been way

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better. We should have won a game. We ended up

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getting Drummond. Baz was our point guard. We

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had both right. We was nice, but I should have

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been a better leader, but I wasn't built for

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it. Like because there were reports saying that

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like the chemistry was off because I had those

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big name players. They were saying like the chemistry

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was off and that like there was just not team

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bonding and all that stuff. Or do you think you

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just played a major role in that or that was

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just something that it didn't play out as well?

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I just think we needed a leader and I needed

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to be that leader. I don't know. I couldn't bring

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us together like I should. We had all the talent.

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We just ain't. We was cool, but we couldn't get

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over that hump because of, I feel like, my leadership.

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Yeah, see, I understand that. But at the same

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time, like, we see it with KD, right? All the

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scrutiny behind him just being a hooper. And

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I think, too, like, whether you're leading vocally

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or leading through just your play, like, you

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already mentioned. Like, you're in a gym. Now,

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the second year, I know you said you went out

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a little bit more, but I'm assuming you're still

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in the gym. You're still working hard. You're

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still at games. Yeah. So at the same time, do

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you think that, like, your play alone and the

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way you developed your game, that could have

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been all the leadership that you needed to provide?

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I mean, it could have been. And I know, like,

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after we won the championship, some people probably

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got relaxed. Yeah. It's a lot more than just,

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you know, leadership. I definitely could have

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done more. But I mean, I was in a gym. I was

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working, but I ain't bring like everybody with

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me. Yeah. Like I could have. Or should have.

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I feel you on that for taking that accountability.

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But at the same time, like you can't you can't

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make people want it as bad as you do. So I feel

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like. Because you're doing, like, you're setting

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the example. You're going to the gym. You're

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doing what you got to do. You're still living

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your life. You're not just being, like, a complete

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gym rat. But, I mean, the dream was to get to

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the NBA. Everybody had that same dream when you

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go to, especially if you're going D1 to a major

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school like that. But now, I mean, that's tough.

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That's tough taking accountability. I say it's

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very, like, that's good to hear. But speaking

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of the draft, it's hard to describe, like, those

00:14:46.009 --> 00:14:49.129
type of dream -like moments. But, like, how was

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that when you? you knew that you you declared

00:14:51.240 --> 00:14:52.720
for the draft you knew you were going to the

00:14:52.720 --> 00:14:55.100
like you you were going to the nba like how was

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that feeling it was crazy because everybody told

00:15:01.200 --> 00:15:03.100
me like go to the draft you're gonna be a top

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pick you're gonna be blah blah but then like

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my first my first or second workout i twist my

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ankle and i was supposed to have like 12 workouts

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I end up only having four. Damn. So come draft

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night, they're like, oh, you might fall out.

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You might not. But you're still invited to the

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green room. It's like, shit. You know what I

00:15:31.600 --> 00:15:33.779
mean? If I don't get drafted, I'm sitting in

00:15:33.779 --> 00:15:37.879
the green room. I'm in the green room. But it

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worked out. And when I finally got drafted, it

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was surreal. It was amazing. Sure. You're selected

00:15:49.799 --> 00:15:52.059
by Houston. Did they feel good about you? Like

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even though they only had few workouts with them

00:15:55.559 --> 00:15:56.980
with having an ankle like did they feel good

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about your game and like that you would be a

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good fit for the team? So it's crazy. They didn't

00:16:01.919 --> 00:16:04.500
even I didn't even work out for them. Really?

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And they hit my agent. This was like two days

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before the draft. And it was like we want you

00:16:14.220 --> 00:16:17.519
want Jalen to come out. we just want to meet

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with him. So I told my agent, I was like, I'm

00:16:21.700 --> 00:16:23.399
not about to go out there. He was like, nah,

00:16:23.500 --> 00:16:26.139
maybe you should go out there and meet with him.

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I literally went and met with him and then left.

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And then they drafted me. Why didn't you want

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to meet with him? Because I just had like so

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many meetings and workouts and all this shit

00:16:42.000 --> 00:16:46.929
last minute. Yeah, dude. And, I didn't feel like

00:16:46.929 --> 00:16:51.389
going. I feel you. Just like, I'm done. Okay.

00:16:51.409 --> 00:16:53.730
All right. So you play with Houston Summer League,

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and then they send you over to OKC, which in

00:16:57.549 --> 00:16:59.289
hindsight, well, I guess we're going to figure

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that out, but I would assume in hindsight, being

00:17:01.690 --> 00:17:04.470
beside Katie and Russ, especially your first

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year, what was that like for you? What did you

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learn? I learned a lot. I mean, I didn't realize

00:17:12.089 --> 00:17:15.609
it when I was going through it. Yeah. But they

00:17:15.609 --> 00:17:21.089
was teaching me how to be a pro. And vets are

00:17:21.089 --> 00:17:27.750
incredibly important when you first get in the

00:17:27.750 --> 00:17:32.009
league. Because it's like a kid. Kids don't know

00:17:32.009 --> 00:17:36.930
nothing. And when you get in the league, you

00:17:36.930 --> 00:17:41.250
don't know nothing. So just learning from them,

00:17:41.390 --> 00:17:47.490
their work ethic. Their habits. It was a blessing

00:17:47.490 --> 00:17:50.150
to be up on it. But it wasn't just them. It was

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Derek Fisher, Karan Butler, Serge Ibaka, Tabo

00:17:55.049 --> 00:17:59.569
Sefalosha, Nick Collison. I know, it's crazy.

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I learned from so many great men. I like that.

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I like that a lot. Now, speaking of which, and

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I'm going to ask you, since you're coming off

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that year with UConn, right, where you already

00:18:12.009 --> 00:18:14.200
mentioned... the leadership wasn't there you

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guys could have been better etc etc that trade

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that that actually brought you to okc i mean

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there was reports that that kind of fucked up

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excuse my language fucked up the chemistry um

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so i want to talk about this would be your second

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time where you may have experienced that do you

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notice any chemistry issues that year or anything

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you would say is like damn we could have done

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this better or atmosphere wise The locker room.

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Wait, you're asking me about the trade or the

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chemistry? No, no, no. Chemistry when you got

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to OKC. Yeah. That was a huge headline that year.

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Like, ah, this trade. Yeah. Honestly, I didn't

00:18:51.559 --> 00:18:56.339
notice it. Yeah. But people still hate me to

00:18:56.339 --> 00:18:59.819
this day for that trade. Yeah. So that's what

00:18:59.819 --> 00:19:00.740
we're going to talk about. And I'm just like,

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I mean, I had no part in that. Yeah. But people

00:19:07.819 --> 00:19:10.599
hate me to this day. No, I see. I see. I liked

00:19:10.599 --> 00:19:13.680
it because I'm a KD fan, you know, and we've

00:19:13.680 --> 00:19:15.359
been around that for a while. And when you came,

00:19:15.460 --> 00:19:17.480
I'm like, yeah, this is going to work out. This

00:19:17.480 --> 00:19:19.880
is going to be tough. So I respected it. But

00:19:19.880 --> 00:19:22.119
for you to come in the league, get drafted, have

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the excitement, go through all that, and then

00:19:23.599 --> 00:19:26.240
get traded, how did you feel about that shit?

00:19:26.779 --> 00:19:28.980
Like, damn, already? That was crazy. I remember

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I got the call. They were just like, yo, we traded.

00:19:32.400 --> 00:19:35.710
Y 'all just drafted. Yeah, right. I just got

00:19:35.710 --> 00:19:37.829
here, bro. It's like, give me some time. I can

00:19:37.829 --> 00:19:42.369
get traded. He's like, yeah, I'm sorry. I was

00:19:42.369 --> 00:19:49.930
like, all right. And that's how it went. Speaking

00:19:49.930 --> 00:19:51.589
of that, so did you have any, like, bad blood

00:19:51.589 --> 00:19:53.769
to them? Or you were just like, hey, I guess

00:19:53.769 --> 00:19:54.990
this is the name of the game. Now I'm in the

00:19:54.990 --> 00:19:57.210
league. Yeah, no, I didn't have no bad blood.

00:19:57.410 --> 00:20:01.289
It was all love. I mean, my dad called me. He

00:20:01.289 --> 00:20:05.480
was like, yo, that's the league. Like, that's

00:20:05.480 --> 00:20:08.940
how it go. But I was just happy to be there.

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I wasn't, like I said, I never was, like, confident.

00:20:12.839 --> 00:20:16.059
I just was, like, I felt like I was regular.

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I was like, okay, I got traded. It's all good.

00:20:20.700 --> 00:20:24.099
So, pre -draft, you were quoted saying, I just

00:20:24.099 --> 00:20:27.279
want to go to a good, be in a good situation

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where there's opportunity for me to play. Looking

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back, are you still staying with that? Are you

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happy how the beginning of your career started?

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I'm happy. Just because I would have played in

00:20:41.359 --> 00:20:46.519
Houston. Yeah. But I wouldn't have learned as

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much. It was me and a whole bunch of rookies.

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I wouldn't have learned nothing. But then when

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I went to OKC, I was just learning and getting

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better. And getting better at working on my game.

00:21:02.920 --> 00:21:05.680
You know looking back at it was a bit. You said

00:21:05.680 --> 00:21:07.400
you continue to work on your game. How did you

00:21:07.400 --> 00:21:09.259
how did that change? How did those workout plans

00:21:09.259 --> 00:21:12.140
change? How did your focus change? Versus what

00:21:12.140 --> 00:21:14.819
you were doing at UConn. At UConn I was like

00:21:14.819 --> 00:21:19.460
killing myself. Like every night I'm in there

00:21:19.460 --> 00:21:23.039
trying to hit 800 makes. Yeah. Thousand makes.

00:21:23.180 --> 00:21:26.380
See how many times. When I got to the league

00:21:26.380 --> 00:21:32.180
it was more of like. You know, sharpen your skills.

00:21:32.700 --> 00:21:34.759
Sharpen your skills. If I know I'm not going

00:21:34.759 --> 00:21:38.720
to play, then I'll work out longer. If I know

00:21:38.720 --> 00:21:41.839
I might get some minutes, just sharpen your skills

00:21:41.839 --> 00:21:44.319
so you can be fresh for the game. Because there's

00:21:44.319 --> 00:21:49.740
82 of them. So, I had to be ready. Kind of side

00:21:49.740 --> 00:21:53.880
note, since you said 82 games, do you believe

00:21:53.880 --> 00:21:56.720
in load management or do you think just thug

00:21:56.720 --> 00:21:59.220
it out? Thug it out the whole year? I mean, for

00:21:59.220 --> 00:22:07.269
me, I like to play basketball. So, like, if I,

00:22:07.289 --> 00:22:10.410
me personally, if I sit out a game, I might lose

00:22:10.410 --> 00:22:16.750
rhythm. So if I could play, I want to play. Now,

00:22:16.829 --> 00:22:21.829
if I am hurt to the fact that I can't do what

00:22:21.829 --> 00:22:26.349
I do, then okay. But if I'm just trying to, but

00:22:26.349 --> 00:22:28.589
then again, it's different for LeBron and all

00:22:28.589 --> 00:22:33.450
them. They playing all the fucking through the

00:22:33.450 --> 00:22:36.630
finals. You know what I'm saying? So they got

00:22:36.630 --> 00:22:40.490
to take a game off, two games off, do that. For

00:22:40.490 --> 00:22:43.150
me, I was a role player. Like, I got to play.

00:22:43.809 --> 00:22:47.230
You mentioned earlier you hadn't spoken to Karan

00:22:47.230 --> 00:22:49.069
until your rookie year. What was that conversation

00:22:49.069 --> 00:22:53.049
like? It was love. He was just like, damn, you

00:22:53.049 --> 00:22:57.210
made it, young fella. Yeah. And he was like,

00:22:57.849 --> 00:23:04.269
bro, watch and learn. And I was just watching

00:23:04.269 --> 00:23:08.150
and learning. But it was love, though, right?

00:23:08.269 --> 00:23:11.930
The UConn family is fire. So he definitely looked

00:23:11.930 --> 00:23:17.190
out. And, yeah, that's the moment. So if we could

00:23:17.190 --> 00:23:20.150
sum up your OKC to one chapter before we move

00:23:20.150 --> 00:23:21.970
on to the next one, what do you think the greatest

00:23:21.970 --> 00:23:24.450
lesson you learned during that chapter was? Just

00:23:24.450 --> 00:23:27.730
don't take that shit for granted. Yeah. I mean,

00:23:27.769 --> 00:23:30.450
he told, I remember, Russ, one time I was in

00:23:30.450 --> 00:23:33.549
the shower. The trainers came in and they was

00:23:33.549 --> 00:23:35.289
like, yo, you got to get treatment. You got to

00:23:35.289 --> 00:23:38.369
do this, you got to do that. And I was like,

00:23:38.450 --> 00:23:45.710
I got a dentist appointment. And they was like,

00:23:45.809 --> 00:23:48.369
so you can't get treatment? And I was like, my

00:23:48.369 --> 00:23:52.789
dentist appointment in like 45 minutes. And Russ

00:23:52.789 --> 00:23:58.059
walked up and said, remember why you got a dentist

00:23:58.059 --> 00:24:01.359
appointment. I'm sitting there like, what you

00:24:01.359 --> 00:24:03.099
mean? He was like, you think you'll have a dentist

00:24:03.099 --> 00:24:04.839
appointment if you wasn't in the league taking

00:24:04.839 --> 00:24:08.000
care of your body? And I'm sitting there like,

00:24:08.220 --> 00:24:12.140
he said, bro, go get treatment. And when you

00:24:12.140 --> 00:24:17.099
go to the dentist, tell him you go be late. I

00:24:17.099 --> 00:24:20.359
was like, say less. Go get my treatment real

00:24:20.359 --> 00:24:26.069
quick. Real quick. I like that. So, Having Russ

00:24:26.069 --> 00:24:29.390
cool, having KD cool. Who do you think the, I

00:24:29.390 --> 00:24:31.450
don't want to say the person you got closest

00:24:31.450 --> 00:24:34.250
to, but someone you remember the most from that

00:24:34.250 --> 00:24:38.190
time, just from OKC? Someone I remember the most?

00:24:38.349 --> 00:24:42.349
Yeah, yeah. Probably someone not on the team.

00:24:44.890 --> 00:24:50.569
Oh, shit. But, no, I just remember, like, I don't

00:24:50.569 --> 00:24:54.880
know, just all the fucking rookie hazing. The

00:24:54.880 --> 00:24:57.259
hard times through that time that I didn't realize

00:24:57.259 --> 00:25:02.299
how they were, like, helping me. Right. But,

00:25:02.380 --> 00:25:07.960
yeah, they was on my ass. But it was all love.

00:25:08.160 --> 00:25:10.099
And just to backtrack a little bit, you know

00:25:10.099 --> 00:25:13.339
you did score your first career high on Houston.

00:25:13.619 --> 00:25:17.240
Yeah. But do you think there was something like

00:25:17.240 --> 00:25:22.299
proving a point in that one or it was just another

00:25:22.299 --> 00:25:25.200
game? It was just something else, you know? Well,

00:25:25.500 --> 00:25:29.000
to be honest, I wasn't thinking like that because

00:25:29.000 --> 00:25:32.940
I wasn't getting a lot of minutes. So I was just

00:25:32.940 --> 00:25:34.920
thinking like, oh, I'm about to play the homies.

00:25:37.140 --> 00:25:43.700
But that game, AD was like, yo. He was throwing

00:25:43.700 --> 00:25:46.880
it to me like, yo, go. I'm like, go. He's sitting

00:25:46.880 --> 00:25:50.740
there like, what? Coach put me in a little earlier.

00:25:55.119 --> 00:25:58.359
I had a good game. But they, like, it was them

00:25:58.359 --> 00:26:01.700
that, like. That pushed you? Helped me, yeah.

00:26:01.980 --> 00:26:05.680
All right. So it was dope. So the confident players

00:26:05.680 --> 00:26:07.940
that was on the court that live off that confidence,

00:26:08.119 --> 00:26:11.400
again, gave you that confidence to go out there

00:26:11.400 --> 00:26:14.880
and play, which is basically what we're going

00:26:14.880 --> 00:26:16.980
to bring you to my next point. So after that

00:26:16.980 --> 00:26:19.920
chapter in OKC, you got traded over to Charlotte

00:26:19.920 --> 00:26:23.700
to go back, connect with Kimba. Was that an easy?

00:26:24.519 --> 00:26:26.059
Easy move over there for you because you just

00:26:26.059 --> 00:26:27.480
go into something that's already familiar where

00:26:27.480 --> 00:26:29.579
you know You have that leader leadership in there

00:26:29.579 --> 00:26:31.240
so you don't have to worry about being a leader

00:26:31.240 --> 00:26:32.400
You don't have to worry about being a score.

00:26:32.660 --> 00:26:34.980
You just got to go over there and just play a

00:26:34.980 --> 00:26:37.680
role like you said. Yeah, it was better because

00:26:37.680 --> 00:26:42.059
When I first got traded, okay, see I knew nobody

00:26:42.059 --> 00:26:47.180
over there. Mm -hmm. So it was like a It was

00:26:47.180 --> 00:26:53.069
like uncomfortable but then you go to You know

00:26:53.069 --> 00:26:57.349
Charlotte where you know somebody It was like

00:26:57.349 --> 00:26:59.970
much more comfortable obviously I played with

00:26:59.970 --> 00:27:06.690
him and After that was fun, you know That's Charlotte

00:27:06.690 --> 00:27:11.049
team looking back on it. I guess Tough it tough

00:27:11.049 --> 00:27:13.089
as team in my opinion out having out Jefferson

00:27:13.089 --> 00:27:16.390
right out. Then you also had obviously you Michael

00:27:16.390 --> 00:27:19.450
Kidd Gilchrist. Jeremy Lim was on that team.

00:27:19.509 --> 00:27:20.930
I mean, he's three years removed from Linton

00:27:20.930 --> 00:27:23.329
Sanity, but he was over there with you. Courtney

00:27:23.329 --> 00:27:25.630
Lee Batum. I mean, the team was tough, bro. Yeah.

00:27:25.750 --> 00:27:28.569
We made the playoffs. Yeah. Yeah. That's what

00:27:28.569 --> 00:27:31.170
I'm saying. One of the biggest things that you're

00:27:31.170 --> 00:27:34.670
known for besides UConn are those two game winners,

00:27:34.730 --> 00:27:37.609
one late game basket, but two huge -ass game

00:27:37.609 --> 00:27:39.650
winners, both against the Raptors, by the way.

00:27:40.210 --> 00:27:44.730
Bro. Bro. We got to talk about that. Run down

00:27:44.730 --> 00:27:47.470
that first one for me. I don't even know how

00:27:47.470 --> 00:27:52.029
that shit happened, but it was crazy because...

00:27:52.029 --> 00:28:00.049
So, K was being guarded by Kawhi. And they were

00:28:00.049 --> 00:28:05.750
supposed to switch on the screen. But before

00:28:05.750 --> 00:28:09.349
it happened, Coach was like, yo, don't screen

00:28:09.349 --> 00:28:13.970
because Kawhi would have switched on to me. So,

00:28:14.009 --> 00:28:16.779
he was like, yo, Jay Lamb just... Go get it.

00:28:17.700 --> 00:28:21.559
But he didn't tell Timber. Oh, shit. So, Timber

00:28:21.559 --> 00:28:24.539
was ready for the play, but I just broke the

00:28:24.539 --> 00:28:28.400
play. And when I went and grabbed, if you go

00:28:28.400 --> 00:28:30.740
look at the video, Timber's like, yo, what the?

00:28:30.799 --> 00:28:34.779
I saw that. I said, damn, Timber. He's like,

00:28:35.059 --> 00:28:38.099
what the fuck? But then he hit it. I just grabbed

00:28:38.099 --> 00:28:42.339
it, and I threw it up. And I was looking like,

00:28:42.400 --> 00:28:45.910
wait. I said, I got a chance. I said, why you

00:28:45.910 --> 00:28:48.150
go in? I said, no, that's too good to be true.

00:28:49.289 --> 00:28:53.829
And that shit went in. Yeah, it did. And for

00:28:53.829 --> 00:28:56.349
those that can't remember who was on that Raptors

00:28:56.349 --> 00:28:58.690
team, which, again, you beat them twice. Who

00:28:58.690 --> 00:29:00.450
was on that team? That's the same championship

00:29:00.450 --> 00:29:05.750
Raptors team that won that year. Kawhi, Pascal.

00:29:08.480 --> 00:29:10.420
What's a little short dude that would like Drake?

00:29:10.839 --> 00:29:15.019
No, Fred VanVleet. Yeah, Marcus Shaw. Larry's

00:29:15.019 --> 00:29:17.700
on that team. Danny Green. Yeah, that was a tough

00:29:17.700 --> 00:29:20.079
team. Yeah, and y 'all beat them twice. Yeah,

00:29:21.019 --> 00:29:22.599
so that was the first game winner. And then,

00:29:22.640 --> 00:29:25.819
shit, what was it? Let me see. Not even two weeks

00:29:25.819 --> 00:29:29.019
later? You hit a late game three with three seconds

00:29:29.019 --> 00:29:31.940
left to beat them again? So my question is, bro,

00:29:32.000 --> 00:29:33.960
obviously... Obviously, you say you didn't have

00:29:33.960 --> 00:29:36.000
no confidence. You had to have confidence to

00:29:36.000 --> 00:29:39.079
hit these late game winning shots, bro. I just

00:29:39.079 --> 00:29:43.940
felt like that was, I don't know. I just felt

00:29:43.940 --> 00:29:48.460
like it was like meant to be. Yeah. Yeah. So

00:29:48.460 --> 00:29:51.079
when he sent me, I mean, when he passed me the

00:29:51.079 --> 00:29:58.500
ball, I was like, I got it. Take advantage of

00:29:58.500 --> 00:30:02.000
the opportunity. It's like a move. And then I

00:30:02.000 --> 00:30:04.059
think that same year you had dropped, again,

00:30:04.180 --> 00:30:07.099
it might have been one of those games, 32. So

00:30:07.099 --> 00:30:09.240
I think that's one of your career highs too,

00:30:09.299 --> 00:30:10.920
32 fucking points. What's it feel like to be

00:30:10.920 --> 00:30:13.160
in a zone like that? It felt good. I don't know

00:30:13.160 --> 00:30:16.099
how to explain it, but it felt good. See, like

00:30:16.099 --> 00:30:22.680
the basket was just wide open. It just felt like

00:30:22.680 --> 00:30:25.900
you don't respect anybody that's in front of

00:30:25.900 --> 00:30:30.200
you. Yeah, you get that killer mentality. It's

00:30:30.200 --> 00:30:33.740
time. It's time. You're either going to follow

00:30:33.740 --> 00:30:36.019
me or I'm going to get a bucket. Like once you

00:30:36.019 --> 00:30:37.200
started getting a little bit more playing time,

00:30:37.240 --> 00:30:39.880
you started being more of a bigger role with

00:30:39.880 --> 00:30:42.700
teams. Did your confidence start building or

00:30:42.700 --> 00:30:44.460
did anybody ever like coach you about confidence?

00:30:44.539 --> 00:30:46.420
Or are you just kind of just like, hey, I know

00:30:46.420 --> 00:30:48.819
I'm good at basketball. It's going to come. No,

00:30:48.980 --> 00:30:51.299
I mean, people try to tell me. Like Kim said

00:30:51.299 --> 00:30:55.980
to me, like, bro, like, go ahead, bro. Like,

00:30:56.000 --> 00:31:02.680
you're nice. You can do that. But I just, I don't

00:31:02.680 --> 00:31:04.380
know. I never was the one to come out and say

00:31:04.380 --> 00:31:08.480
25 shots. Yeah. You know what I mean? And I should

00:31:08.480 --> 00:31:12.500
have. I didn't. Why do you think you didn't?

00:31:13.359 --> 00:31:15.980
Like I said, I was never that confident person.

00:31:16.299 --> 00:31:18.400
Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like I never

00:31:18.400 --> 00:31:21.059
was like, oh, I'm about to kill this motherfucker.

00:31:21.259 --> 00:31:26.660
No. Yeah. I just was like, I'll give him 20,

00:31:26.779 --> 00:31:32.619
25. Somebody start talking shit, maybe I'll give

00:31:32.619 --> 00:31:36.579
them 30. That's what I'm saying, man. Like, I'm

00:31:36.579 --> 00:31:38.220
not trying to make you reminisce on the past

00:31:38.220 --> 00:31:39.700
and be like, make you feel bad about anything

00:31:39.700 --> 00:31:41.819
you did. Because that whole time we was going

00:31:41.819 --> 00:31:45.079
through it, I'm like, man, you can really give

00:31:45.079 --> 00:31:47.660
buckets, you know what I'm saying? And you just

00:31:47.660 --> 00:31:50.759
were chilling, bro. I should have did more. Nah,

00:31:50.799 --> 00:31:55.599
the career is straight. It's all good. So after...

00:31:56.169 --> 00:31:58.190
After staying in Charlotte, you ended up in Indiana.

00:31:58.430 --> 00:32:02.569
That was a great team. You were part of that

00:32:02.569 --> 00:32:05.569
second unit, which was outscoring teams by 18

00:32:05.569 --> 00:32:08.150
points. What do you think the chemistry was there?

00:32:08.250 --> 00:32:10.529
What got y 'all clicking so well when you got

00:32:10.529 --> 00:32:16.069
over to Indy? I don't know. We just clicked.

00:32:16.670 --> 00:32:22.230
We just clicked. We had Malcolm. We had me at

00:32:22.230 --> 00:32:29.859
the two. Two day one. And we had Domas and Miles.

00:32:31.579 --> 00:32:36.380
And we just was, we were just clicking. I remember

00:32:36.380 --> 00:32:40.500
me, Malcolm, and TJ Warren, we were averaging

00:32:40.500 --> 00:32:47.799
like 18 plus. And then, you know, Miles, it's

00:32:47.799 --> 00:32:50.579
easy with him. He set a screen. He's either going

00:32:50.579 --> 00:32:57.059
to roll or pop. He could do either. We was just

00:32:57.059 --> 00:32:59.980
getting buckets. So was there a leadership in

00:32:59.980 --> 00:33:01.619
there? Did you feel like you were playing that

00:33:01.619 --> 00:33:04.480
leadership role in that unit? Or was it just

00:33:04.480 --> 00:33:06.480
everybody clicking and whoever's night it was

00:33:06.480 --> 00:33:07.700
was the one who was going to get the buckets

00:33:07.700 --> 00:33:10.480
the most? I definitely led by example at that

00:33:10.480 --> 00:33:14.920
time. I had a lot more years than other people,

00:33:14.960 --> 00:33:17.660
so they looked up to me. But, yeah, we just clicked.

00:33:17.960 --> 00:33:23.859
You know, Malcolm, he's from Atlanta. So, yeah,

00:33:23.980 --> 00:33:29.819
we was just. It was a good thing. Now, you guys

00:33:29.819 --> 00:33:35.420
were on a streak. Looking good, obviously, like

00:33:35.420 --> 00:33:37.779
we just mentioned. We're going to talk about

00:33:37.779 --> 00:33:40.079
this because I want to get how you feel emotionally

00:33:40.079 --> 00:33:44.180
about it. Damn, bro. Then you suffered a devastating

00:33:44.180 --> 00:33:47.140
injury. Obviously, I saw this. I was actually

00:33:47.140 --> 00:33:48.460
watching that game. Before you left, you hit

00:33:48.460 --> 00:33:51.859
two free throws. Just the mental part of that

00:33:51.859 --> 00:33:53.660
and obviously the physical battle to get back

00:33:53.660 --> 00:33:56.200
to it like you're still doing now. What do you

00:33:56.200 --> 00:33:57.839
go through? What is that for you, like, mentally

00:33:57.839 --> 00:33:59.740
to go through something like that and try to

00:33:59.740 --> 00:34:03.759
be who you were, get back to who you were? It

00:34:03.759 --> 00:34:08.380
was definitely tough. It was definitely weird,

00:34:08.420 --> 00:34:12.340
too, because that was my first injury. People

00:34:12.340 --> 00:34:19.860
always say, like, life goes on. But COVID hit.

00:34:20.800 --> 00:34:28.389
So, life stopped. Yeah. So for me, it felt like

00:34:28.389 --> 00:34:37.269
I got hurt and then life is over. Yeah. But kept

00:34:37.269 --> 00:34:40.670
working, kept working, kept working. The first

00:34:40.670 --> 00:34:42.469
couple of games that got back, I played well.

00:34:44.130 --> 00:34:50.250
But the thing about the league is 82 up. So you

00:34:50.250 --> 00:34:54.280
can play good for the first 10. But then the

00:34:54.280 --> 00:34:59.380
next 10, and the next 10, and the next 10. So

00:34:59.380 --> 00:35:03.039
that was the tough part, just as I'm getting

00:35:03.039 --> 00:35:07.719
older, recovering, trying to stay solid, dealing

00:35:07.719 --> 00:35:13.199
with politics, new draft picks. It was a lot

00:35:13.199 --> 00:35:16.860
of games. I know, especially going through an

00:35:16.860 --> 00:35:21.360
injury, because no comparison at all. At the

00:35:21.360 --> 00:35:23.300
same time, I'm just coming out of college. and

00:35:23.300 --> 00:35:25.900
then I tore my Achilles for the first time. It

00:35:25.900 --> 00:35:28.360
was my first injury, and I tore my Achilles,

00:35:28.420 --> 00:35:31.980
and then the world stopped. And I'm like, what

00:35:31.980 --> 00:35:34.260
the hell? And then when I got back just playing

00:35:34.260 --> 00:35:35.739
pickup and everything, I'm getting back out there,

00:35:35.800 --> 00:35:39.980
and I'm like, yo, I cannot do this. This is a

00:35:39.980 --> 00:35:43.699
whole different issue. It definitely takes a

00:35:43.699 --> 00:35:45.300
lot of mental stuff to go through, and I didn't

00:35:45.300 --> 00:35:47.739
even have all the resources that y 'all had.

00:35:47.980 --> 00:35:51.500
So it's just like, I definitely feel that. After

00:35:51.500 --> 00:35:53.880
time in Charlotte, Now that you're in Indy, you're

00:35:53.880 --> 00:35:55.500
going through an injury, how are you personally

00:35:55.500 --> 00:35:58.199
feeling as a player at that point in time? I

00:35:58.199 --> 00:36:00.460
felt good. I felt like because the league had

00:36:00.460 --> 00:36:02.940
stopped, you know, I just felt like I wasn't

00:36:02.940 --> 00:36:10.800
missing nothing. And I got time. But I felt good.

00:36:10.880 --> 00:36:17.039
It was a tough time, though. But it wasn't like

00:36:17.039 --> 00:36:20.780
the worst time of my life because COVID. So going

00:36:20.780 --> 00:36:23.780
from Indy, you then get traded over to SAC. And

00:36:23.780 --> 00:36:26.400
honestly, that might go down as probably one

00:36:26.400 --> 00:36:28.940
of the evenest trades we've ever seen, which

00:36:28.940 --> 00:36:32.880
is crazy. You and Sabonis, Justin Holliday was

00:36:32.880 --> 00:36:36.139
in that trade for Halliburton, Buddy, and Tristan

00:36:36.139 --> 00:36:38.019
Thompson. And obviously you've seen what those

00:36:38.019 --> 00:36:40.199
two teams have grown into. You were part of that.

00:36:41.760 --> 00:36:43.719
So, I mean, going from Indy to SAC, do you feel

00:36:43.719 --> 00:36:46.199
confident that you guys could do something or

00:36:46.199 --> 00:36:48.980
no? Yeah, I mean, shit, when we went over there,

00:36:49.679 --> 00:36:53.300
Domas was like, yo, we have a couple games after

00:36:53.300 --> 00:36:58.400
playoffs. We might be able to do something. And

00:36:58.400 --> 00:37:01.519
I was like, yo, if we make the playoffs, then

00:37:01.519 --> 00:37:04.420
we definitely going to be back next year. Because

00:37:04.420 --> 00:37:06.840
I know there's about a clean house and all that.

00:37:08.619 --> 00:37:14.000
But I just couldn't stay healthy. And that's

00:37:14.000 --> 00:37:17.260
how it happened. Yeah. So unfortunately, they're...

00:37:18.509 --> 00:37:20.190
Unfortunately, injuries are part of the game.

00:37:20.309 --> 00:37:23.610
It's messed up a lot of NBA players' careers.

00:37:25.030 --> 00:37:28.309
What is some advice or just some points to keep

00:37:28.309 --> 00:37:30.489
the up -and -coming hoopers or the people that

00:37:30.489 --> 00:37:33.309
are playing that get injured that could keep

00:37:33.309 --> 00:37:35.530
them in the right mentality or right mind frame

00:37:35.530 --> 00:37:38.289
to keep going forward? I would just say injuries

00:37:38.289 --> 00:37:41.750
feel like it's the end of the world, but it's

00:37:41.750 --> 00:37:44.949
not. You know what I'm saying? Sometimes I feel

00:37:44.949 --> 00:37:47.900
like, fuck, will I be able to? will i ever be

00:37:47.900 --> 00:37:51.059
able to run again yeah or jump like i used to

00:37:51.059 --> 00:37:54.440
all them thoughts gonna go through your head

00:37:54.440 --> 00:37:59.460
but it's not the end of the world it's still

00:37:59.460 --> 00:38:04.519
hard work and attack like your injury like you

00:38:04.519 --> 00:38:09.260
would you know a basketball and you're uh currently

00:38:09.260 --> 00:38:10.940
still going through an injury right ankle injury

00:38:10.940 --> 00:38:13.780
yeah yeah how's that going for you right now

00:38:13.780 --> 00:38:19.510
doing all right Yeah, it's all right. All right,

00:38:19.530 --> 00:38:21.869
cool. That's what I like to hear. But all the

00:38:21.869 --> 00:38:23.269
teams you played for, all the locations that

00:38:23.269 --> 00:38:24.849
you've been in, which one truly felt like home?

00:38:28.230 --> 00:38:30.969
Definitely Charlotte. I figured so. Close to

00:38:30.969 --> 00:38:38.030
home. I mean, I built my crib out here. And Charlotte

00:38:38.030 --> 00:38:40.610
is just... We're going to be out there in a couple

00:38:40.610 --> 00:38:43.329
weeks. Yeah, actually, my man right here, he's

00:38:43.329 --> 00:38:44.809
getting married, and their bachelor party's out

00:38:44.809 --> 00:38:48.150
there. He'll be out there soon. Hit me. Hey,

00:38:48.230 --> 00:38:51.710
don't tell me twice. I will hit you up. I will

00:38:51.710 --> 00:38:56.409
hit you up in two weeks. Kind of just some other

00:38:56.409 --> 00:38:57.670
questions. Like, what is the hardest part of

00:38:57.670 --> 00:39:02.269
being a pro, just being in the NBA? The distractions.

00:39:03.090 --> 00:39:07.150
Distractions. Think about it. You have access

00:39:07.150 --> 00:39:12.170
to whatever you want. Whatever. So you got to

00:39:12.170 --> 00:39:18.030
be disciplined and realize, you know, why you

00:39:18.030 --> 00:39:21.329
in the NBA? You actually love basketball? Or

00:39:21.329 --> 00:39:26.929
do you love this episode? So that's the biggest

00:39:26.929 --> 00:39:30.250
thing. That's the biggest thing. And you don't

00:39:30.250 --> 00:39:35.190
know who actually likes you and don't like you.

00:39:35.630 --> 00:39:38.289
Because everybody like they love you. How'd you

00:39:38.289 --> 00:39:43.690
deal with that? I made some mistakes. But no,

00:39:43.750 --> 00:39:47.449
I just try to stay in the gym. You know, just

00:39:47.449 --> 00:39:51.889
understand why I'm here. You know what I'm saying?

00:39:51.909 --> 00:39:55.409
I'm trying to take care of my family. Trying

00:39:55.409 --> 00:40:01.190
to take care of my kids. I'm not just out here

00:40:01.190 --> 00:40:05.630
trying to party. You know what I'm saying? Like,

00:40:05.630 --> 00:40:10.090
fuck off. What got me here? Someone give you

00:40:10.090 --> 00:40:13.570
four names, and you tell me what's the most slept

00:40:13.570 --> 00:40:15.869
on quality about these four players. All right?

00:40:17.250 --> 00:40:20.510
Okay. Number one, obviously, is Kimba. Number

00:40:20.510 --> 00:40:26.030
two, Durant. Three, Westbrook. And four, Jeremy

00:40:26.030 --> 00:40:32.409
Lamb. All right, so what's the most slept on

00:40:32.409 --> 00:40:36.570
on each of them? Yeah. All right, who's the first

00:40:36.570 --> 00:40:39.800
one again? Kimba. I don't think he slept on at

00:40:39.800 --> 00:40:45.739
all. What's the next one? KD. KD is a killer.

00:40:46.019 --> 00:40:53.639
Yeah. He's a killer. Westbrook. Russ. He's a

00:40:53.639 --> 00:40:57.420
fucking great person. See, that's what I'm saying.

00:40:57.920 --> 00:41:00.179
Yeah, a lot of players say that. He's a savage

00:41:00.179 --> 00:41:03.840
on the court. Yeah, bro. But he's a great person.

00:41:04.019 --> 00:41:06.269
I like that. i like that and then what's the

00:41:06.269 --> 00:41:09.230
most slept on quality about yourself bro about

00:41:09.230 --> 00:41:14.489
me people don't know that i'm actually i actually

00:41:14.489 --> 00:41:18.710
have a personality i will people think like you

00:41:18.710 --> 00:41:22.210
know i'm just boring and just like whatever yeah

00:41:22.210 --> 00:41:25.670
but i actually want to be A comedian one day.

00:41:25.769 --> 00:41:28.809
Swear, bro. Yeah, you're lying, bro. Nah, you're

00:41:28.809 --> 00:41:32.409
lying. I do. Oh, shit. Okay, okay. So you're

00:41:32.409 --> 00:41:35.170
a funny guy. Whenever you go out and do a show,

00:41:35.190 --> 00:41:37.969
bro, send an invite. I got to see you, man. I'll

00:41:37.969 --> 00:41:41.750
send it, bro. I'm fired. That's tough. Kyle's

00:41:41.750 --> 00:41:44.130
got a... So I know you went through some injuries,

00:41:44.210 --> 00:41:46.070
and so we talked about the emotional aspect,

00:41:46.210 --> 00:41:48.170
but there's a great question Kyle's got for you.

00:41:49.230 --> 00:41:51.889
So kind of the same thing. There's four different

00:41:51.889 --> 00:41:53.750
players. So when it comes to injuries, it's part

00:41:53.750 --> 00:41:56.070
of the game. So if injuries never happened to

00:41:56.070 --> 00:41:57.590
these four players, which one do you think would

00:41:57.590 --> 00:42:00.190
have had the best career? It's more than four

00:42:00.190 --> 00:42:04.309
players, about five, sorry. So it's T -Mac, D

00:42:04.309 --> 00:42:09.969
-Rose, Brandon Roy, Penny, or Grant Hill. Who

00:42:09.969 --> 00:42:12.849
would have the best career? Who would have ended

00:42:12.849 --> 00:42:15.610
up being the better player, at least? So, you

00:42:15.610 --> 00:42:17.670
know, T -Mac is my favorite player all time.

00:42:18.190 --> 00:42:26.960
Yes, sir. He would have been. Stupid. Wait, but

00:42:26.960 --> 00:42:30.599
then D -Rose. Yeah, yeah. But he had limits.

00:42:32.099 --> 00:42:38.659
But Penny, I might. Well, I don't know because

00:42:38.659 --> 00:42:42.119
Shaq left Penny. Who else? Who else? Grant Hill

00:42:42.119 --> 00:42:46.719
and Brandon Roy. Brandon Roy. I'll go Brandon

00:42:46.719 --> 00:42:52.219
Roy one and then T -Max two. Because B -Roy was

00:42:52.219 --> 00:42:55.960
a problem. He played like a video game. He played

00:42:55.960 --> 00:43:00.539
like a video game. He was stupid. Man, I caught

00:43:00.539 --> 00:43:01.880
you on that. What do you mean D -Rose has some

00:43:01.880 --> 00:43:07.260
limitations? He can't shoot. Hey, man. He can't

00:43:07.260 --> 00:43:10.659
shoot? Hold on. He can't shoot or shooting is

00:43:10.659 --> 00:43:12.719
not the best part of the game? He couldn't shoot.

00:43:13.719 --> 00:43:18.760
No, no, bro. Okay, okay, okay. The buzzer beater

00:43:18.760 --> 00:43:20.800
in the back. Yeah, okay. Well, I mean, it was

00:43:20.800 --> 00:43:22.099
a bank shot. It was a bank shot. I mean, you

00:43:22.099 --> 00:43:27.219
had a little middie. Word, okay. But that's what

00:43:27.219 --> 00:43:30.139
you're living with. Yeah. Ah, that's a good point.

00:43:30.239 --> 00:43:33.539
Some people, it's like, nah, don't let them get

00:43:33.539 --> 00:43:35.480
to the middie. Don't let them get to the, you

00:43:35.480 --> 00:43:38.500
know. What's crazy about you saying that is that

00:43:38.500 --> 00:43:40.539
you yourself had a middie. I mean, honestly,

00:43:40.679 --> 00:43:42.639
J. Lamb, I consider you a scorer, so let me ask

00:43:42.639 --> 00:43:46.340
you then. You got these three players, which

00:43:46.340 --> 00:43:49.159
I think are probably. I ain't going to say LeBron,

00:43:49.340 --> 00:43:50.840
and I'm not going to say Kobe. I just want to

00:43:50.840 --> 00:43:52.739
talk about legitimate bucket getters. So my top

00:43:52.739 --> 00:43:57.000
are obviously KD, Melo, Tracy. You put those

00:43:57.000 --> 00:44:00.099
three in a room together, on the court together,

00:44:00.179 --> 00:44:02.199
I should say. Who's coming out on top on some

00:44:02.199 --> 00:44:07.639
1v1s? KD, Melo, Tracy. On one -on -ones? Yeah,

00:44:07.719 --> 00:44:12.179
king of the court. Well, I mean, KD. That's what

00:44:12.179 --> 00:44:14.659
I said. Yeah, that's what I said, yeah. KD, I

00:44:14.659 --> 00:44:18.900
mean, he... He's one of the best shooters all

00:44:18.900 --> 00:44:23.920
time. Yeah. Yeah. He can really shoot that shit.

00:44:24.179 --> 00:44:27.800
Melo definitely can shoot, but you know, he took

00:44:27.800 --> 00:44:31.840
a lot of shots. KD will have like 35 on 11 shots.

00:44:32.159 --> 00:44:37.260
Crazy. And if he get hot in a one -on -one, what

00:44:37.260 --> 00:44:40.380
do you honestly think you're going to say? Not

00:44:40.380 --> 00:44:43.460
much. Yeah. Just kind of wrap it up. It's kind

00:44:43.460 --> 00:44:46.840
of some closing questions. Not to get too deep

00:44:46.840 --> 00:44:48.820
or just reminisce, but if you could go back to

00:44:48.820 --> 00:44:51.820
your 18 -year -old self, what's some advice that

00:44:51.820 --> 00:44:55.780
you would give yourself? I mean, this is different,

00:44:55.840 --> 00:44:59.699
but I would probably tell myself making it to

00:44:59.699 --> 00:45:11.980
the NBA is not life. It's not the end goal. You

00:45:11.980 --> 00:45:14.000
know what I'm saying? Because the NBA is a fake

00:45:14.000 --> 00:45:17.559
world. We live in a fake world. We get everything

00:45:17.559 --> 00:45:22.139
free. Everyone loves us. But that's not life.

00:45:23.340 --> 00:45:28.000
And once you retire, then you live life. So just

00:45:28.000 --> 00:45:31.239
taking it for what it is. I'm glad you bring

00:45:31.239 --> 00:45:34.420
that up. Because it actually segues into my next

00:45:34.420 --> 00:45:36.920
question. So what is life, or at least what I've

00:45:36.920 --> 00:45:40.820
seen from afar from you, is the children that

00:45:40.820 --> 00:45:44.469
you've had. So being a father. What's one lesson

00:45:44.469 --> 00:45:47.329
that you have or eventually want to instill into

00:45:47.329 --> 00:45:50.389
your children? That's a good question. I have

00:45:50.389 --> 00:45:54.110
learned that my kids look at everything I do.

00:45:55.829 --> 00:46:02.570
And they believe anything that I tell them. So

00:46:02.570 --> 00:46:07.469
just trying to teach them to be great people.

00:46:10.059 --> 00:46:12.440
But I don't know. That's a loaded question. I

00:46:12.440 --> 00:46:14.199
know. I'm free to think about it. A loaded question.

00:46:14.679 --> 00:46:16.500
I might have the same kind of a loaded question,

00:46:16.679 --> 00:46:19.039
too, when it comes to why you were playing. Having

00:46:19.039 --> 00:46:21.019
those mentors when you went to OKC and then all

00:46:21.019 --> 00:46:22.800
the teams you played for and everything and having

00:46:22.800 --> 00:46:24.260
those vets there and becoming a vet yourself,

00:46:24.340 --> 00:46:27.199
did anybody give you any financial advice or

00:46:27.199 --> 00:46:30.300
just any thought process on what you're doing

00:46:30.300 --> 00:46:32.019
after the league, even though you're young and

00:46:32.019 --> 00:46:33.840
you're like, man, I'm an NBA. What are you talking

00:46:33.840 --> 00:46:35.159
about? I got all this money. I got all this stuff.

00:46:35.739 --> 00:46:37.679
Anybody actually kind of coach you when it came

00:46:37.679 --> 00:46:41.190
to that? They definitely did. They told me a

00:46:41.190 --> 00:46:43.110
whole bunch of times, oh, think about what you're

00:46:43.110 --> 00:46:44.349
going to do after the league. I'm like, what?

00:46:46.050 --> 00:46:47.809
What? I'm going to play forever. I'm going to

00:46:47.809 --> 00:46:53.190
die. But the best advice would just save your

00:46:53.190 --> 00:46:57.429
money. Save your money. Don't take risks. Just

00:46:57.429 --> 00:47:03.130
save your money. And that's what I did. So I'm

00:47:03.130 --> 00:47:07.309
happy that I did. And that was the best advice

00:47:07.309 --> 00:47:09.670
I could get. with what you saved and that advice

00:47:09.670 --> 00:47:11.730
that was given to you did that give you any thoughts

00:47:11.730 --> 00:47:14.389
on what is next after you hang up the jersey

00:47:14.389 --> 00:47:17.710
after you retire or are you just you still thinking

00:47:17.710 --> 00:47:20.309
or have that plan in place so you know last year

00:47:20.309 --> 00:47:26.349
i played in the g league yeah yeah and um damn

00:47:26.349 --> 00:47:30.989
near every team i played against every player

00:47:30.989 --> 00:47:34.929
on the other team told me that they looked up

00:47:34.929 --> 00:47:40.400
to me or You know, try to play like me, whatever.

00:47:42.400 --> 00:47:49.320
So that made me realize that I probably want

00:47:49.320 --> 00:47:55.039
to do, like, player development, coaching, because

00:47:55.039 --> 00:48:00.599
I can help these little kids. So I'll probably

00:48:00.599 --> 00:48:03.840
do something in that field. And stand -up, don't

00:48:03.840 --> 00:48:07.059
forget. Don't forget stand -up. Oh, yeah. I got

00:48:07.059 --> 00:48:11.809
you that one. Yeah. So Jeff T, we were just talking

00:48:11.809 --> 00:48:14.630
about this. He has said that, you know, for as

00:48:14.630 --> 00:48:15.989
long as you're in the league, you're devoted

00:48:15.989 --> 00:48:18.849
to just the league. Like your whole goal up until

00:48:18.849 --> 00:48:20.670
the point you get there, even after you leave,

00:48:20.750 --> 00:48:23.590
is being a ballplayer. And he said a lot of times

00:48:23.590 --> 00:48:25.590
after you leave, you don't know what the hell

00:48:25.590 --> 00:48:27.110
to do with yourself. So you either go broke,

00:48:27.210 --> 00:48:29.230
you go into a depression, which, you know, sad,

00:48:29.369 --> 00:48:31.329
I get it. But there's a lot of feelings that

00:48:31.329 --> 00:48:34.329
come with that. And so I'm glad that you just

00:48:34.329 --> 00:48:35.989
said you went, you know, that experience in the

00:48:35.989 --> 00:48:37.800
G League. kind of put that into your mind that,

00:48:37.840 --> 00:48:39.980
okay, I could do something afterwards. But I

00:48:39.980 --> 00:48:41.900
got to ask, because you're still technically

00:48:41.900 --> 00:48:44.599
on that team. So when you do hang up that jersey,

00:48:44.820 --> 00:48:48.820
do you think, or at least what is it right now

00:48:48.820 --> 00:48:50.800
besides development, besides comedy, that you

00:48:50.800 --> 00:48:53.619
enjoy doing the most that you say, okay, shit,

00:48:53.739 --> 00:48:56.000
I might be able to do something with that? Now

00:48:56.000 --> 00:49:02.079
I just work out and chill. I was never good at

00:49:02.079 --> 00:49:06.349
anything else. Okay. okay so i mean i played

00:49:06.349 --> 00:49:11.389
darts yeah i was nice at darts i might go on

00:49:11.389 --> 00:49:14.429
a little like european dark tour no darts is

00:49:14.429 --> 00:49:17.050
tough it's a lot harder than people think like

00:49:17.050 --> 00:49:21.869
you don't play the game man you ain't you ain't

00:49:21.869 --> 00:49:28.389
on the duty 2k nothing i never played 2k no call

00:49:28.389 --> 00:49:33.849
of duty either okay i'll be chilling though i

00:49:33.849 --> 00:49:37.949
just I'll be telling you. As a non -gamer, because

00:49:37.949 --> 00:49:40.329
if I do play the game, I do just play either

00:49:40.329 --> 00:49:42.610
Call of Duty. I retired 2K. I can't do it no

00:49:42.610 --> 00:49:44.769
more. I can't do it. It's too frustrating for

00:49:44.769 --> 00:49:47.329
me. But Call of Duty, relaxing. I get in there,

00:49:47.349 --> 00:49:49.550
get my two, three games in, I'm out of there.

00:49:50.530 --> 00:49:53.570
I got about maybe. Yo, hold on. I did play Call

00:49:53.570 --> 00:49:57.130
of Duty back in the day. You did? But now it's

00:49:57.130 --> 00:50:01.329
changed. Oh, yeah, for sure. Who do you think?

00:50:02.400 --> 00:50:03.940
And I know you talked about all the fake love

00:50:03.940 --> 00:50:05.900
in the NBA, but who do you think, out of all

00:50:05.900 --> 00:50:07.300
the players you played with, was probably your

00:50:07.300 --> 00:50:10.260
favorite teammate? I had a lot of great teammates.

00:50:10.659 --> 00:50:13.440
Yeah. My favorite teammate? I mean, it's hard,

00:50:13.559 --> 00:50:19.360
though. But I'll say two. I'll say Marvin Williams

00:50:19.360 --> 00:50:23.659
and Kimba Walker. Yeah. Marvin was tough. They

00:50:23.659 --> 00:50:25.500
were my favorite teammates. Marvin slept on them.

00:50:25.920 --> 00:50:28.760
But I had a lot of great teammates. Yeah. So

00:50:28.760 --> 00:50:31.460
let me ask you. TJ McConnell. Ah, TJ's a good

00:50:31.460 --> 00:50:34.599
one. I forgot you played with him. Malcolm Brogdon.

00:50:36.760 --> 00:50:42.199
Vic Oladipo. D -Fish. Come on, y 'all. There's

00:50:42.199 --> 00:50:44.780
too many. I got a question for y 'all. Yes, sir.

00:50:45.940 --> 00:50:51.800
Does LeBron playing with his son make him the

00:50:51.800 --> 00:50:54.809
GOAT? This is a question for you, Darion. It

00:50:54.809 --> 00:50:58.469
ain't got nothing to do with me. Oh, damn. Does

00:50:58.469 --> 00:51:02.849
it make him the GOAT? Does it make him the GOAT?

00:51:04.369 --> 00:51:09.769
I think... Okay, so my honest opinion is if there's

00:51:09.769 --> 00:51:12.530
many variables that go into being the GOAT, meaning

00:51:12.530 --> 00:51:14.590
like influence, not only your play on the court,

00:51:14.650 --> 00:51:16.670
but influence the shit that you do for the league,

00:51:16.670 --> 00:51:18.590
that you do for yourself, blemishes, shit like

00:51:18.590 --> 00:51:21.900
that, then I... Then sure. Yeah, because that's

00:51:21.900 --> 00:51:23.960
never been done. Jordan couldn't even do it.

00:51:24.019 --> 00:51:30.119
Then sure. Hold on. Damn. Come on, man. It don't

00:51:30.119 --> 00:51:34.079
sound like you really mean that. I'm assuming

00:51:34.079 --> 00:51:43.820
that you think it does. Hold on. First of all,

00:51:43.840 --> 00:51:45.679
that's saying that I don't think that Jordan,

00:51:45.900 --> 00:51:48.500
or I'm sorry, that Bron is the GOAT. You're assuming

00:51:48.500 --> 00:51:50.199
that I don't think that. So what are you saying?

00:51:50.880 --> 00:51:55.039
That's a good question. No, honestly, listen.

00:51:55.179 --> 00:51:57.079
So if you would have asked me a couple months

00:51:57.079 --> 00:51:59.260
ago, I still would have said Jordan. But we got

00:51:59.260 --> 00:52:01.039
some tapes in, bro. And it's crazy. So we got

00:52:01.039 --> 00:52:04.139
some tapes in from footage of literally Braun's

00:52:04.139 --> 00:52:07.639
high school career going up. And then I got to

00:52:07.639 --> 00:52:09.539
thinking to myself, like, damn, bro. He was elite

00:52:09.539 --> 00:52:11.940
from that level all the way on. Never had a blemish.

00:52:12.000 --> 00:52:13.820
He's done all this shit. So right now, currently,

00:52:13.960 --> 00:52:17.099
yes, I do have him as my GOAT. Yes. Yeah. Yeah?

00:52:17.639 --> 00:52:21.000
Yes, I do. Yes. Yeah. Damn, man. Go ahead. Tell

00:52:21.000 --> 00:52:27.340
me your side. I'm just saying, like, I mean,

00:52:27.400 --> 00:52:32.300
which one is more impressive? Oh, it's bronze

00:52:32.300 --> 00:52:35.239
by far for me. So you win three championships,

00:52:35.579 --> 00:52:40.159
go play baseball, then win three more. Well,

00:52:40.159 --> 00:52:42.059
here's my thing. The reason I say bronze is more

00:52:42.059 --> 00:52:45.179
impressive to me is because, like, you saw, you

00:52:45.179 --> 00:52:48.219
take the leadership and coaching that. that those

00:52:48.219 --> 00:52:50.539
teams had from the Bulls that's carried over

00:52:50.539 --> 00:52:52.360
to the Lakers. You saw the same thing with Kobe.

00:52:52.500 --> 00:52:55.860
He got five off of it. Now imagine if Braun had

00:52:55.860 --> 00:52:58.619
that same triangle offense, that same coaching,

00:52:58.800 --> 00:53:01.159
and was able to do that. I think he'd have five

00:53:01.159 --> 00:53:03.699
or six too, but he doesn't. He's never had leadership

00:53:03.699 --> 00:53:05.960
in the coaching. that he's had over the years.

00:53:06.000 --> 00:53:07.440
He's pretty much damn near being the – we've

00:53:07.440 --> 00:53:09.460
seen this shit, man. Come on. He's pretty much

00:53:09.460 --> 00:53:11.340
damn near being the coach. He's able to do it

00:53:11.340 --> 00:53:13.800
with the Cavs. Bro, he's smarter than the coach.

00:53:13.920 --> 00:53:15.460
Yeah, I'm going to say he's definitely the coach.

00:53:15.980 --> 00:53:18.500
And he's smarter than the GM. Yes, that's what

00:53:18.500 --> 00:53:20.539
I'm saying. So he's pretty much, you know, done

00:53:20.539 --> 00:53:22.760
this – I'm not going to say all by himself, but

00:53:22.760 --> 00:53:24.480
he's the head of that. So to do it with three

00:53:24.480 --> 00:53:27.119
different organizations, play as long as he has,

00:53:27.280 --> 00:53:29.619
do all the things that he's done from a career

00:53:29.619 --> 00:53:32.179
standpoint, from a player standpoint. I just

00:53:32.179 --> 00:53:33.980
think it's the most impressive. Now, Jordan's

00:53:33.980 --> 00:53:36.460
a killer. I'm not going to argue anybody with

00:53:36.460 --> 00:53:38.980
that. Like Jordan. LeBron is the greatest player

00:53:38.980 --> 00:53:42.940
of all time. I like it. He has to be. He playing

00:53:42.940 --> 00:53:47.800
with his son. It is wild, bro. How you been playing

00:53:47.800 --> 00:53:51.300
that long? Right, right, right. I still got about

00:53:51.300 --> 00:53:53.739
two years. I was hoping my son would see me play.

00:53:56.730 --> 00:53:59.309
He was hoping to get drafted with his son. Like,

00:53:59.309 --> 00:54:01.150
what? I know. We were talking about that the

00:54:01.150 --> 00:54:03.710
other day. I think he's still got about two,

00:54:03.889 --> 00:54:07.949
three maybe years of being dominant. Hey, hold

00:54:07.949 --> 00:54:11.369
on. Since we're on the same page, this motherfucker

00:54:11.369 --> 00:54:13.289
over here is not. Actually, I didn't even release

00:54:13.289 --> 00:54:15.090
the podcast yet. I didn't say anything. He don't

00:54:15.090 --> 00:54:16.570
like Brian. I didn't say anything. He don't like

00:54:16.570 --> 00:54:19.110
Brian. Who don't? This guy, he don't like Brian,

00:54:19.110 --> 00:54:21.030
bro. I didn't say I like Brian. I didn't say

00:54:21.030 --> 00:54:22.789
that. I got the footage. I'm going to send you

00:54:22.789 --> 00:54:24.289
the footage. I did say I don't like Brian, but

00:54:24.289 --> 00:54:25.969
I didn't mean it in that way. Let me explain.

00:54:26.349 --> 00:54:32.389
I am a brawn hater. I am a brawn hater. That's

00:54:32.389 --> 00:54:34.989
because I'm a Kobe fan. But I am a brawn hater.

00:54:35.070 --> 00:54:38.710
But I'm a sensible brawn hater, if that makes

00:54:38.710 --> 00:54:42.750
sense. It's all contradicting. It's all contradicting.

00:54:44.380 --> 00:54:45.639
Everything y 'all said is right. Just give him

00:54:45.639 --> 00:54:47.579
one reason why you don't like Bron. I don't know.

00:54:47.579 --> 00:54:50.179
I told you that. I told you I just don't like

00:54:50.179 --> 00:54:52.159
Bron. I don't know why. You don't know. I don't

00:54:52.159 --> 00:54:55.400
know. And I even said it. It was a sexist statement.

00:54:55.460 --> 00:54:58.880
Wait, you have no clue? I think it's because

00:54:58.880 --> 00:55:04.800
I'm a Kobe fan. I think it's because I don't

00:55:04.800 --> 00:55:08.250
want to admit the fact that LeBron. It's better

00:55:08.250 --> 00:55:10.829
than Kobe. That's why I don't want to admit it.

00:55:10.909 --> 00:55:13.469
That's my thing. You're a real hater. I'm a real

00:55:13.469 --> 00:55:16.449
hater. Look, and I give everybody their flowers

00:55:16.449 --> 00:55:20.329
and their credit for whatever reason. Can't do

00:55:20.329 --> 00:55:22.010
it. I just can't do it. Even if I met him, I'd

00:55:22.010 --> 00:55:25.110
be like, nah, fuck you. You're too good in the

00:55:25.110 --> 00:55:26.909
league. Get out of the league. Retire. Give it

00:55:26.909 --> 00:55:29.949
to somebody else. Nah. But nah. That's what it

00:55:29.949 --> 00:55:31.969
be. Nah, I'm not going to lie. That's why when

00:55:31.969 --> 00:55:33.190
you asked the question, that's why I was like,

00:55:33.210 --> 00:55:34.610
this is all for you, Darion. This ain't got nothing

00:55:34.610 --> 00:55:39.659
to do with me. It's a show question. All right.

00:55:39.679 --> 00:55:42.039
Yeah. So now that obviously Bron's in your top

00:55:42.039 --> 00:55:43.800
five, who's the other four if you had to draft

00:55:43.800 --> 00:55:50.239
a team? All right. So number one, I'm going to

00:55:50.239 --> 00:56:00.760
go Steph at the one. Then I'm going to go Kobe

00:56:00.760 --> 00:56:10.480
at the two. Then I'm going to go MJ at the three.

00:56:12.920 --> 00:56:24.480
And I'm going to go Braun at the four. And then

00:56:24.480 --> 00:56:32.960
I'm going to go Shaq. Shaq, yes. My man. My man.

00:56:33.559 --> 00:56:35.659
When we did this discussion earlier, I literally

00:56:35.659 --> 00:56:37.239
kept thinking to myself, like, there's no starting

00:56:37.239 --> 00:56:39.900
five or no five I'm picking that doesn't have

00:56:39.900 --> 00:56:46.940
Shaq in it. Yeah. Shaq or LeBron. Shaq or LeBron.

00:56:47.059 --> 00:56:48.619
Those two are definitely all in it for me. If

00:56:48.619 --> 00:56:51.260
you don't put them in it, you just hate. I'm

00:56:51.260 --> 00:56:54.559
not that much of a hater. But if I didn't take

00:56:54.559 --> 00:57:01.710
Shaq, then I would put Jokic. As all time? All

00:57:01.710 --> 00:57:07.750
time. I'm not mad. I think Jokic is tough. I

00:57:07.750 --> 00:57:09.949
think he slept on him. I just think he ain't

00:57:09.949 --> 00:57:13.489
got enough years under him yet. What? To be called

00:57:13.489 --> 00:57:17.690
all time? All time? All time. Oh, okay. I'm just

00:57:17.690 --> 00:57:20.969
saying. I'm not saying you're wrong. When he

00:57:20.969 --> 00:57:24.050
retires, maybe. But right now, I just want to

00:57:24.050 --> 00:57:26.889
give it to him now. All right. Okay. Okay. Hold

00:57:26.889 --> 00:57:30.960
on. Hold on. So that's your five. Give me a two

00:57:30.960 --> 00:57:33.179
-man bench, seven players. Who are the following

00:57:33.179 --> 00:57:37.320
two you'd pick then? That's coming off the bench?

00:57:37.639 --> 00:57:43.159
Just two. Like right now or just all the time?

00:57:43.219 --> 00:57:45.900
All the time, it don't matter. I mean, the Jokic

00:57:45.900 --> 00:57:48.019
pick, that one blew me away. I didn't expect

00:57:48.019 --> 00:57:50.159
that. So I'm excited to see who these next two

00:57:50.159 --> 00:58:09.900
are. I'm going to go... I had to think for a

00:58:09.900 --> 00:58:12.000
second. I was like, damn. I was thinking Rick

00:58:12.000 --> 00:58:19.579
Fox for a second. I'm going to go Fox. Then I'm

00:58:19.579 --> 00:58:30.599
going to go PG. Indiana PG 13. PG 13. That's

00:58:30.599 --> 00:58:41.980
tough. And then I'm going to go Wait, this is

00:58:41.980 --> 00:58:54.139
all time? Yeah. All right, PG. I wonder why PG

00:58:54.139 --> 00:58:56.849
and Kawhi didn't do more together. They ain't

00:58:56.849 --> 00:58:59.409
play together. It's got to be that thing. I mean,

00:58:59.409 --> 00:59:03.170
they got games in, bro, but every time. You know

00:59:03.170 --> 00:59:06.070
what it is, man. Come on. They couldn't get no

00:59:06.070 --> 00:59:11.170
chemistry together. That's what I'm saying. So

00:59:11.170 --> 00:59:16.570
speaking of, kind of going back to the first

00:59:16.570 --> 00:59:19.150
question, do you think that was considered a

00:59:19.150 --> 00:59:23.289
super team? Like this last year, last year Clippers

00:59:23.289 --> 00:59:27.380
was a super team. Yeah, didn't they bring in,

00:59:27.539 --> 00:59:30.719
they brought in Russ, they brought in Kawhi,

00:59:30.860 --> 00:59:34.260
PG, they just brought everybody in. Harden. I

00:59:34.260 --> 00:59:36.059
think they just brought Madden. I didn't say

00:59:36.059 --> 00:59:37.440
they were super team because I just thought they

00:59:37.440 --> 00:59:39.019
just brought Madden names there. People were

00:59:39.019 --> 00:59:41.619
telling Russ to retire before he got to the Clippers.

00:59:42.119 --> 00:59:44.699
And then James. And James wasn't even a James

00:59:44.699 --> 00:59:46.019
Harden. They were saying that he was washed.

00:59:46.019 --> 00:59:47.800
And James is still nice. No, he is. But people

00:59:47.800 --> 00:59:49.280
were saying he was washed. So they were just

00:59:49.280 --> 00:59:51.039
like, you know what? Avengers come together.

00:59:51.380 --> 00:59:55.460
James is the James that people want him to be.

00:59:56.139 --> 01:00:00.420
He could still average 30 100 % 100 % and I also

01:00:00.420 --> 01:00:02.719
don't think Westbrook should retire but I'm just

01:00:02.719 --> 01:00:05.639
saying like so if you have a third option that

01:00:05.639 --> 01:00:12.219
can average 30 Well, I think it's you know, I

01:00:12.219 --> 01:00:13.380
think the only reason why I'm saying that like

01:00:13.380 --> 01:00:15.260
on paper yes for sure But I think only so I'm

01:00:15.260 --> 01:00:17.599
saying that is because of how it played out.

01:00:18.079 --> 01:00:20.159
That's we all we saw played I told you it's not

01:00:20.159 --> 01:00:22.420
about how translate you think it wasn't a super

01:00:22.420 --> 01:00:25.510
team because of how it played out. Yeah Like

01:00:25.510 --> 01:00:27.550
everybody broke up. It broke up. That ain't what

01:00:27.550 --> 01:00:30.650
a super team is. I mean, how many super teams

01:00:30.650 --> 01:00:32.989
can you count that actually formed and won besides

01:00:32.989 --> 01:00:37.570
Miami? And Golden State. That's it. Name the

01:00:37.570 --> 01:00:39.550
rest that actually won. Those are the only super

01:00:39.550 --> 01:00:41.030
teams that I think existed. Oh, in Boston. Yeah,

01:00:41.070 --> 01:00:42.510
so that's what we talked about. 08 Boston. Yeah,

01:00:42.550 --> 01:00:45.309
they were a super team for me. I think that's

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the only team that existed for a super team,

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in my opinion. Okay. KD's Nets. Is that a super

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team? KD who? KD's Nets. Brooklyn Nets that year,

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or those years. Kyrie, James Harden. Yeah, that

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was a super team. They had Kyrie, KD, and James.

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I don't know. I think you got to have some type

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of, I think you got to win. Success. Get out

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of here. Success. Get out of here. I feel like

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without success. A super team don't always win.

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We're going to, we're going to let you go. So

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we'll go and wrap this up. But again, thank you

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for coming with us. Come on. Shit. Thank you

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for joining us on the, on the pod today. And

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then we'll, we'll be in touch and I'll let you

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know when it releases and obviously tag you in

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any of the reels, but thanks. We really appreciate

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it. Appreciate y 'all, man. Thank you. And I

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hit you up in about two weeks.