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I'd like to welcome our first major guest, controversial.

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She is unapologetic.

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She is.

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But in the same sentiment, she has over 17 years

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in this damn industry.

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So respectable.

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She is, everybody.

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Miko Grimes.

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Hi, you guys.

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Thank you so much.

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Darion, I obviously know you, but I don't know your co-host.

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So hello.

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How are you doing?

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How are you doing?

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This is the first time we ever met.

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But like, yeah, my name is Kyle.

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Nice to meet you.

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Very excited for it.

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How you been?

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Nice to meet you as well.

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Very excited.

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For me, it's just the thing of we have a lot of people

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that do know you, but we also have some people that may not

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know the full effect of Miko Grimes.

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So early on, Miko, what was your life like before the fame,

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before you got into even basketball?

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What was it like for you?

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Young black girl from Inglewood, California.

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I was born in St. Louis, Missouri.

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I never want people to not know that part about me.

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Born in St. Louis, moved to Los Angeles around the age

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between like four or five years old.

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I moved to LA.

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And I've always been a tomboy.

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Soccer was my first love.

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Got a little issues with anger management,

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so couldn't play soccer.

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Got introduced to basketball and just fell in love

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and just knew I wanted to be a professional basketball player

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since I was about 10 years old.

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And my whole life was just based on just

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trying to get, I was always just trying to get good grades

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and trying to play basketball.

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That's just how I grew up and had a lot of ups and downs

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in life.

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Things happen.

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I had to push through a lot of unfortunate things as a kid.

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But I pushed through and I think that I

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created a great life for myself.

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In 2006 is when I started in my second career

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as a sports journalist.

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And that's after I was done playing basketball overseas.

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I went overseas and played for quite a few countries.

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People always ask me, oh, what country, what team?

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I wasn't on any of the Euroleague teams,

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the big time teams.

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I went to a Division II school, Cal State LA.

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So it wasn't like I was a big time player,

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but I was a hooper.

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And played overseas when I retired from playing basketball

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overseas, I decided to do a career in journalism.

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And I found out that they don't just

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let women just jump right into sports journalism at that time.

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You have to go to school.

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So I went to broadcasting school.

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Got my credentials, got everything I needed to be a sports

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journalist, and been doing that since 2006.

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Oh, very nice.

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Is this true or not?

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I read about you that you were also

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offered a role in NBA TV.

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Passed on that, 2006-ish?

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Oh my god.

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That's one of the things I did want

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to talk to you about when you were telling me

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some bullshit place to go in my time of trying

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to climb this ladder.

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I wasn't offered a job.

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I was told that I would, you know,

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I had a show with Dennis Scott.

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Everybody knows Dennis Scott if he played basketball.

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We had a show, and it was his show.

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It was called 3D After Dark, and I was his co-host.

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And when he moved to NBA TV, he would constantly

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tell me that, you know, I'm going to bring you up.

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I'm going to bring you up.

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To the point where there was two different times that he

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asked me to meet him at a studio.

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He was basically saying, I can't promise you a job,

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but I'm going to get you in the building.

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I'm going to introduce you to everybody there.

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They're going to see you.

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They're going to see you're real.

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They're going to know you're good.

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You know, it's going to happen for you.

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Two different times he told me to meet him at the studio,

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and he left me outside both times.

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No pickup of the phone, no text back, no nothing.

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That's the closest I've ever been to getting a job on NBA TV.

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He's like, when did you realize that you

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had a voice that resonated with the people that

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listened to what you had to say with the confidence

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that you have when you say it?

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I've always been a leader my whole life.

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Like, even as a kid, I never followed people.

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I never did what everybody else did.

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I traveled to the beat of my own drum my entire life.

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And I learned at a young age that people

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would follow me like that.

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I had a lot of friends that followed me,

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and they just thought like I was a leader.

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And I never was a bullshit artist.

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I never played with people.

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I never capped what they call it today.

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I just kept it real.

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And I think people, even young, always liked that about me.

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So I always knew that if I kept it real with people,

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that people would listen to me.

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So I just always was myself and always

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said what was supposed to be said.

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I said the uncomfortable things and things

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that people were afraid to say.

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And that's why a lot of people followed me and listened to me

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and supported me on my entire journey in life.

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Covering sports over the last 17 years,

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I'm sorry, Miko, in that time, what

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are some of the negative encounters

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that you've actually had, anything you want to speak on?

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Yeah, I was going to speak on that Dennis Scott situation

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where I was doing that show with him.

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And we had a great show.

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He loved me.

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He was just like, because we covered

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the Falcons and the Hawks.

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This was in Atlanta.

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This is how I met my husband as well.

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But he would just always give me so many compliments.

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The callers would call in.

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And it was a live radio show.

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So you can't bullshit your way through something like that.

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So I was just always on my toes.

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I knew my shit.

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And he was just like, man, man, I got this opportunity at NBA TV.

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And I want to bring you with me, man.

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You deserve to be on TV.

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You really know your stuff.

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He would always like, you're beautiful.

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You're smart.

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You got everything that you need to make it.

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You just need somebody to look out because I'm going to look out.

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And I'm like, OK, cool.

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And he didn't look out.

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He literally looked at me hanging.

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It was so weird because me and my husband had seat.

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We weren't even married at the time.

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But we would get season tickets to the Hawks games.

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And he was working there.

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And he would see us and come over and try to dap me up.

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And I would never want to dap him up.

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And Brent would always say, still dap, still speak,

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still be respectful, even though he played you.

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And I'm like, fuck him.

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But Brent is always like, he's a do-gooder.

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He does the right thing all the time.

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And I would just be respectful.

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And he'd be like, yeah, you don't have to talk to him or be nice to him.

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Just dap him up and keep it moving.

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And there was other little incidents where

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I would try to get work or get jobs.

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And men would want me to do inappropriate things.

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I remember one time this producer, he came this close to my face.

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I was sitting down.

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His dick was right here.

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And he was saying to me, you're so good at this.

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You're so talented.

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You just need one or two more things to get over the hump to really make it.

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And I carry a gun.

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And so I pulled my gun out and put my gun on his dick.

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And I was like, if you don't move your dick from near my face,

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I will shoot that little motherfucker off.

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And it was stuff like that, like men approaching me

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for sexual favors to get work.

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I was sidelined reporting for a couple of HBCUs.

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I was just hustling in the industry trying to get out there.

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But men are constantly wanting head or pussy or whatever.

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They try to see if you're with it.

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And I was never with it.

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I've never done a sexual favor for a job ever in my life.

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And I never will.

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Because first of all, my shit is worth more than whatever this bullshit job you

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try to offer me anyway.

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You're not getting this or that.

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It was just weird to me that that was even something

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that people thought I would do, knowing how rudely honest and loud I was.

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It was just crazy to me.

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But I experienced that.

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I'm sure a lot of women experience that in their industry.

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And stuff like that meant just people constantly lying about saying

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they're going to do something, get you into doors, help you with something,

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and everybody just being full of shit at the end of the day.

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So obviously, it takes a lot of resilience for you to, well, one,

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look a man in the eye or anybody in the eye that's done you wrong.

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And like Brent said, still be able to adapt them up and act

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like everything's cool in that moment.

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It takes a lot of resilience to do that.

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How much of that can you take or have you taken before it got to the point

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where it's like, man, fuck this.

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I don't want to do this anymore.

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It seems like I'm never able to actually get to where I want to be because

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of these fucked up people.

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I had come to that conclusion a couple of times, but it was just something

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I love about sports journalism.

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I would do it for free.

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And I've done it for free quite a few times.

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And after I had my son, I was thinking, of course, I'm going to take some time

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off and make a decision on whether or not this is an industry that I still

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want to be in because I didn't want to have a babysitter or a nanny taking

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care of my child every day and me working knowing that Brent is providing

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plenty of money for me to take care of myself.

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But it was something I truly loved.

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And he got the contract in Miami with the Dolphins.

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And the first day that he signed, there was a sports journalist there

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named Omar Kelly.

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And he wrote a column basically saying that they had paid Brent too much money,

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that he had heard that Brent was washed and he wasn't, you know, because he had

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the Achilles injury, he wasn't anything like he was supposed to be.

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And at the time, this was like Twitter, you know, Instagram had started, but it

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wasn't like popping like Twitter.

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And I was, you know, on Twitter heavy, like super heavy.

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And so I tweeted him back and I was like, I'm going to go through every article

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that you've written about this team and I'm going to dissect everything that

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you were wrong about.

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And I was bored.

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So I took the time to constantly tweet him and berate him and disrespect him on

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his false opinions, false education about certain players and he was wrong about

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certain situations, certain downs, certain calls.

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Like I just took the time to just violate him, you know, on Twitter.

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And all the fans were already there was like, oh, we love her.

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Like she, season ending started.

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This is in March. Okay.

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And I'm violating him on Twitter.

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And I told him, I said, you're going to learn to never disrespect my husband

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ever again.

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Like you're going to learn when the season starts.

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So I want to say like maybe three or four weeks into the season, Bray is clearly

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balling, like kicking ass.

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And he hit me up and DM me and asked me, we were in New Orleans, they're about to

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play the Saints and he DM me and he asked me to come to him.

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He wanted to meet with me for lunch.

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And I was like, should I meet with him and Bray was like, sure, why not?

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Maybe he wants to apologize for, you know, disrespecting me.

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Like, you know, and I was like, all right, I'll meet him for lunch.

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So we were in New Orleans and I met him for lunch and he apologized to me for his,

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you know, being incorrect about Brent's skills.

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He's like, he's incredible.

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He goes, I was told all these things about him from the Falcons.

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That's why I was reporting.

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And I was like, that's not a good reporter.

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Someone can give you information, but you still have to do the work and do your

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own research.

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He was like, you taught me that.

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I learned that I can't go off of what a team he's leaving says about him.

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I have to, you know, get my own eyes on him and, you know, get my own experience.

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And he was like, all right.

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He goes, how would you feel about joining my radio show?

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I have a radio show called the Omar Kelly show.

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I would like you to be the cohost.

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And I was like, really?

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He goes, yeah, I looked you up.

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I heard you have a lot of experience.

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You had a radio show in Atlanta.

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He goes, I would love to have you as a cohost.

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And I was skeptical because of everything I've been through.

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And I was like, I was like, I don't know.

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I don't feel like getting played.

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And he was like, I promise you, I'm not going to play.

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It's not going to be that.

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And I was like, cool.

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I decided to do the show with him.

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Before the show was over, the program director had, he was the head mic.

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You know, on radio, there's a head mic and then, you know, the cohosts, they had

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made me the first chair of the show and turned it into the Miko and Omar show.

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And let me lead the show.

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I'm literally the show.

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And Omar took that and said, you're right.

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They're right.

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You can do this job better than me.

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Like he said that to me.

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And he was like, I don't mind being your second chair.

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Like you're incredible.

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You're amazing.

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Let's do this.

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So I was first chair on the show and the show was incredible.

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We did an amazing job.

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It was fun.

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I pushed the envelope.

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Of course, you know, I don't tow the line.

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I step over that.

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I'm a habitual line stepper on the show.

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I covered the dolphins.

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I covered the dolphins.

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I covered the heat.

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I covered the hurricanes.

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I did my job and it was great until I got arrested and then I got fired.

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But Omar Kelly made me want to continue sports journalism just because of the way he treated

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me, the way he had my back, the way he was honest with me and said that he knew that

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I had the talent to lead the show.

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And he most men wouldn't do that, what he did.

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And that made me want to continue, honestly.

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So then you said that obviously that was probably a hell of a highlight for you to start off

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your career, right?

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And so a man tells you that you're in a good spot and you mentioned that you got arrested.

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Can you talk a little bit about what happened during that situation?

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Yeah.

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So a big part of my show, which you're not supposed to do as sports journalism, you're

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supposed to stick to sports.

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I never stuck to sports.

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I'm a black woman and I don't take kindly to the way that police treat people of my

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color and any minority.

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And so I had segments on my sports talk show where I talked about the crimes that Miami

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Day police department was committing and some of the wrongful arrests, some of the bad smearing

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things that didn't reach TV.

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But I lived there so I can speak on these things.

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And so I got a lot of flack from people calling in that were saying they were police.

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We would kind of screen the calls a little bit, but people would lie and they try to

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get on the radio and say things like, oh, when I catch you out somewhere, I got threats

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from people on social media.

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They were saying they were police, they were saying they were going to do something to

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me for bringing up the police and what they're doing in Miami.

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And that particular day I was tailgating like I always am.

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And to make the story short, because nobody really cared about what really happened at

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the end of it, the police beat my ass at the stadium for no reason.

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They said I was trespassing.

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They said I attacked four police officers.

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They said I headbutted a police officer and busted her head open.

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All of it was lies.

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They really just attacked me because of what I was saying on my radio show about them.

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And the Dolphins, I wanted to counter sue.

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They dropped first of all, I had to take a lie detector test.

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The state attorney was trying to get me to work out a deal and I refused.

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I said, I'm not doing, I'm not working out nothing.

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There's no deal to be made.

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I don't care if it doesn't.

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They were like, well, there's no jail time.

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We're just going to make you go to anger management, make you do community service.

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I said, no, I'm not doing a fucking thing.

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I didn't do anything wrong.

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And they're like, you're facing 11 years in prison.

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I said, let's fucking go.

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When's the trial?

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Because I didn't do it.

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I didn't do any of this shit.

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So the state attorney was telling me that she was having trouble getting the police

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to all have the same story.

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They had mixed up stories.

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So she asked me to take a lie detector test on the situation.

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The police set the whole thing up.

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I went and took the lie detector test.

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You have to take a, get a seven to pass.

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I got a 12.

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And they were just like, whoa.

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They were like, this is crazy that you got a 12.

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Can you do it again?

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They asked me three days later to do it again with a different, like a whole nother test.

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And I said, sure, I'm not lying.

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And I did a test with a whole different questions, everything.

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I got a 12 again.

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And so the state attorney decided to drop all the charges.

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She said, don't even come to the trials.

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The first day she's like, don't even come.

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I'm dropping the charges.

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And she said, I don't even, I think that something foul went on.

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This girl's not lying.

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The police's story was all mixed up.

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She doesn't have a gash in her forehead.

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Why does the cop have the gash in his forehead?

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You know what I mean?

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Like, and she dropped the charges.

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No one cared once they were dropped, you know, no one gave a shit.

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And I was just like, wow, like that's so fucked up.

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So I wanted to counter sue.

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So I had, I, you know, subpoenaed the footage because this happened right outside the stadium.

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So I subpoenaed the footage from the dolphins and they refused to give me the footage and

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basically told my lawyer that the cameras, all the cameras, all these cameras everywhere

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happened to malfunction when this situation took place.

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They asked me to let it go.

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They like, Miko, just let it go.

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They dropped the charges, let it go.

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And I was like, I got my ass beat.

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I still to this day have a slip disc in my back from that, from the way they beat me.

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And I just, I had no proof.

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My lawyer was like, you can try to do it, but without evidence, no judge is going to

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take your side.

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They're always going to take the police side.

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So if you want to give me your money to sue them and we're probably going to lose, then

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we can, but it's just your word over there is if you don't have the footage from the

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dolphins.

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And so I didn't sue.

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Did that, did that kind of like that situation, did that kind of give you pushback for future

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like jobs that you had coming up?

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Like after that situation?

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Yeah, at that point I knew I was done.

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I knew that I was done and, and I was telling my husband like, this is your last season

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with the dolphins.

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Like this, we're done with them.

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I told him to quit during the season and he wouldn't.

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He was like, no, I can't do that.

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He goes, I know you were wrong, but this is like, these are his brothers, you know?

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He's like, I'm going to finish the season with them.

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I don't want to leave them hanging just because the front office did some foul shit.

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And I was like, all right, I respect that.

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You know, that's who he is.

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He's a standup guy.

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So I was like, all right, you know, I was like, but this is the last season.

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And I knew I was going to get blackballed after that.

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And that's kind of what happened.

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I got blackballed after that.

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I didn't get any like work with either, you know, the big names after that.

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So I of course went on a rant and destroyed them.

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The only thing I could do.

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I mean, so not to discredit you at all.

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Did your husband's, did his name kind of help going in the future?

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Like, or like, was that that help you get jobs going on in the future?

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Or was that just something that just happened naturally just from your charisma and everything

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that you bring to the table?

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No Brent didn't, his name didn't help me at all.

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They knew that I was a pro players.

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Like even my radio show, like I didn't, whenever a player, let's just say you were a player

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and you got a DUI or something like that.

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I didn't bash them.

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I gave them, I gave advice on, you know, like I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I,

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I was never like, I was pro player.

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I would never take the side of, of front office.

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Anytime there was a disgruntled situation with a player and you know, this player is asking

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for a trade, this player is asking for more money.

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I was always like pro player and giving all my listeners examples of why they should be

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pro players.

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So they didn't like that about me either.

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The dolphins con came to Brent several times and asked him to ask me to quit my job.

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They were like, tell her to quit her job.

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And he was like, why?

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And they were like, because she's saying things that we don't like.

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Like she's saying stuff that we don't want the fans to know.

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And I'm like, he was like, she doesn't work for you guys.

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She's not going to quit her job.

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She was doing this before I met her.

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Like this, this is her job.

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She's pro player.

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Like this is what she does.

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You know, and there was this like saying, making it a money thing, like, oh my God,

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you make so much money.

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Why do you have your wife working?

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And he's like, I don't have her working.

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She loves her job.

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And they said it so much to the point where he, he was like, you know what?

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He pulled out his phone.

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He told me this happened.

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He put out his phone.

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He called me and put it on speakerphone.

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He goes, you guys tell her to quit here.

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Here.

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She's on speaker.

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And I'm like, hello?

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And they got quiet.

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And I'm like, what's up?

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And he was like, oh, I was, they didn't say anything, but I told them to tell you to quit

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your job.

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They won't do it.

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They want me to do it.

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And I was like, fuck.

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And I started cussing.

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He hung up.

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He was like, I'm not listening to you guys.

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Like she's going to do her own thing.

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She's always done her own thing.

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You know?

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And they were just mad that I wasn't like a typical sports reporter.

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I didn't just do what I was told.

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I did what I knew was right for the players.

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I was always for the players.

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Yeah.

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Oh man.

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See that that's a testament to who you are as a person.

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That's something I've really enjoyed about you so far.

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I want to, I want to take a step over more to you and Brent because obviously he's your

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rock.

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He's in your corner, it seems like, and how he's has been.

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Did you know what it was going to be like or at least what you were going to get yourself

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into marrying a pro athlete?

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Well, I thought it would benefit him to be honest.

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And it did.

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I mean, he's married pro athlete.

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He's married somebody.

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I met him when I retired.

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So I had already been through the mind of being a professional athlete.

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I was able to give him experience on what I had went through.

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And I was, you know, even though he had an agent, you know, I was behind the scenes,

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you know, and I'm in the contract talks.

499
00:21:43,120 --> 00:21:45,200
I'm all in this shit.

500
00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:50,120
I'm like, you know, pushing the buttons and making sure shit's going right for him.

501
00:21:50,120 --> 00:21:56,960
And I just always thought that I love athletes.

502
00:21:56,960 --> 00:22:01,320
I've always dated athletes and they're like, Oh, you're a gold digger.

503
00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:03,640
Like, I like successful people.

504
00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:06,120
I don't if that's gold digging, then sign me up, bitch.

505
00:22:06,120 --> 00:22:08,480
I'm a gold digger, but I like people that are successful.

506
00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:11,680
I like people that are making money and I like people that are athletic.

507
00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:13,000
And that's what I've always dated.

508
00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:17,200
So, you know, it was different for me to date a football player though, because I like basketball

509
00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:18,200
players.

510
00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:21,360
But, you know, I just like Brent and he was a nice guy.

511
00:22:21,360 --> 00:22:23,800
And I didn't think anything of marrying him.

512
00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:26,360
I thought like, honestly, I'm just keeping it real.

513
00:22:26,360 --> 00:22:30,680
I thought he would benefit from my experience and I'm older than him and everything.

514
00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:35,280
And we would have a good time because I'm a good time.

515
00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:36,920
That you are and that you are.

516
00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:40,360
And so you guys have a 13 year old son together, correct?

517
00:22:40,360 --> 00:22:41,360
Yes, Aiden.

518
00:22:41,360 --> 00:22:46,000
Can you tell me about him?

519
00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:47,680
Aiden is, he's me.

520
00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:48,680
I feel like he's me.

521
00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:49,680
He has my personality.

522
00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:54,360
He does have a little bit of Brennan Ham when he doesn't care to, I'm a party animal.

523
00:22:54,360 --> 00:22:56,720
I like to party, socialize, have a lot of fun.

524
00:22:56,720 --> 00:23:00,360
Aiden's like that, but he's still kind of like chill in a way.

525
00:23:00,360 --> 00:23:03,280
Aiden is trained to be a professional tennis player.

526
00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:06,440
I try to get him to play basketball, but he loves tennis.

527
00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:11,280
So he's in a tennis academy right now, struggling with the transition a little bit.

528
00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:14,640
We talk about it on my podcast a little bit.

529
00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:15,640
He's just an amazing kid.

530
00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:16,640
He's smart.

531
00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:18,320
I teach him to think for himself.

532
00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:23,400
I teach him to speak up for what's right.

533
00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:25,640
And he's just amazing.

534
00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:26,640
Good.

535
00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:27,680
Yeah.

536
00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:31,700
So for those that don't know, I do have the pleasure of editing her podcast.

537
00:23:31,700 --> 00:23:37,560
And so the moments that I see that Miko has with Aiden and Brent are really, really, really

538
00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:38,560
good to see.

539
00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:39,560
So I mean, such a beautiful thing.

540
00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:41,720
So make sure you check out that when you can.

541
00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:46,760
I want to talk about one last football related thing before we go into kind of why we're

542
00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:47,760
really here.

543
00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:48,760
Channing Crowder.

544
00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:51,040
I think it was 2015.

545
00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:53,480
There was an incident you guys had a little back and forth.

546
00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:55,920
Can you tell us a little bit more on what the fuck happened there?

547
00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:58,560
Well Channing, like the radio show I told you that I was on.

548
00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:01,240
Channing was the show right before mine.

549
00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:02,240
He was on.

550
00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:03,240
There was three guys.

551
00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:07,520
I don't remember all their names, but there was three of them and like they had the show

552
00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:08,520
before us.

553
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:10,200
So you know, radio was in slots.

554
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:12,920
So I was a slot behind him for the most part.

555
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:16,720
And I was by Channing was cool.

556
00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:22,680
You know, he kind of gives me like the, the, the, I don't want to be, I don't want to be

557
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:24,320
rude or mean or anything.

558
00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:29,320
I try to be honest, but I want to be nice because I've moved past the situation.

559
00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:35,400
There's, I don't have any issues with him or any beef or anything, but he was telling

560
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:41,840
people that trying to insinuate that Brent was giving me all of my information for my

561
00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:42,840
show.

562
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:43,840
Like, like I wasn't smart.

563
00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:46,360
Like it wasn't coming from me, which is strange.

564
00:24:46,360 --> 00:24:47,640
It's a live show.

565
00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:50,720
People calling in, like I can set what we're talking about all I want.

566
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:55,000
When people call in after respond with, you know, information.

567
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:59,760
And he was just trying to say, you know, negative things about my show and everything.

568
00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:03,600
And I was just like, kind of like pissed off about it.

569
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:06,880
Cause there's not that many black people on the, on the, on the network, the radio show

570
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:08,480
that we were on.

571
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:12,840
And I kind of let it go that he was talking shit.

572
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:18,240
And then we had a reality show that we did together with his wife and me and his wife

573
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:23,000
got into it because she wanted my son and her son to film because they went to the same

574
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:26,000
school, but my son didn't like her son.

575
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:28,920
And I didn't force my son to film with him.

576
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:32,960
They wanted, you know, Hey, let's do a scene where, you know, our kids are playing together.

577
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:35,920
And I asked Aiden about it and he said, no, I don't want to film him.

578
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:36,920
Like I don't like him.

579
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:41,760
And he actually told me he had beat him up a couple of times at school.

580
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:44,240
And so I didn't let my son do that.

581
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:48,800
And so we were on the show, the wife was kind of trying to press me about letting them film

582
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:54,000
together and calling me a bad mother and saying that I was trying to keep best friends apart.

583
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:57,440
And I'm like, girl, my son don't even like your son.

584
00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:01,320
Like, you know, a lot of, a lot of stuff was lost in editing on that show, but then they

585
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:06,080
had this whole situation where they confronted me at a, at an event on the show and try to

586
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,480
disrespect me and come for me.

587
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:09,480
But Brent was there.

588
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:13,400
And of course, when Brent is there, I have to be a lady.

589
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:17,960
So I kind of took the high road of the entire situation just because I'm listening to what

590
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:19,200
my husband is telling me to do.

591
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,320
But I wanted to cuss the asses out so bad.

592
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:26,520
But I just kind of took the high road in that situation because I just, you know, I don't,

593
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:30,520
I don't like men approaching me talking to me about stuff that like that.

594
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:36,440
Like it was just weird that he was, I felt like honestly that the 2015 was not the reality

595
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:40,880
show that was just him talking shit, but he brought it into 2017 when we're doing the

596
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:41,880
reality show.

597
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:45,120
And I was trying to like take shots at my show and everything.

598
00:26:45,120 --> 00:26:50,040
And I never, like I said, I'm trying to be nice.

599
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:54,320
I never valued champion opinion in sports IQ.

600
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:55,600
I never did.

601
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:59,160
I always thought he was the funny guy on the show.

602
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:00,880
You know, I'm trying to be nice.

603
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:02,840
He was the guy with the jokes.

604
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:04,720
He can make every situation funny.

605
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:08,440
Like, you know, you always need a guy like that on, on shows.

606
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:12,960
So I never really valued anything he brought to the show.

607
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:19,120
And I might, may have said that, but I never had any, I never had any beef with him.

608
00:27:19,120 --> 00:27:21,040
I never had any issues with him at all.

609
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:25,160
And I just didn't like that he was coming for the black girl on the network.

610
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:27,000
You know, it was just weird.

611
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,640
Again, other, you know, like it's always just men.

612
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:31,880
It's always men coming for me and attacking me.

613
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:34,960
Like, how do you think I was on the radio all these years?

614
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:37,320
You think Brent was sitting next to me every day?

615
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:41,600
Like, like it was just weird for him to say that I didn't know what I was talking about.

616
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:44,680
That it was Brent, like feeding me information.

617
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:49,160
I think a part of it, he was upset that some of the knowledge I did have, I did get from

618
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:53,400
Brent, you know, like I would know if somebody was interested and they were going to play

619
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:54,400
that week.

620
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:55,400
He wouldn't know that.

621
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:56,960
You know what I mean?

622
00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:58,560
I'm laying in bed.

623
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:01,520
I'm sucking dick to a man on the team.

624
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:04,880
Of course I'm going to have information that other people don't know, but that's not why

625
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:07,480
my show was good, you know?

626
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:09,560
So he would just, he was like jealousy.

627
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:11,120
He was kind of upset that I knew things.

628
00:28:11,120 --> 00:28:14,440
I had tea that the other shows didn't have.

629
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:17,240
Well go suck one of their dick then if you want it.

630
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:18,240
Yeah, really.

631
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:22,360
So disrespect seems to be a consistent thing.

632
00:28:22,360 --> 00:28:25,440
Even though Brent wasn't beside you feeding information because you damn sure more than

633
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:28,600
capable to find that out and be knowledgeable yourself.

634
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:33,340
I'm sure he's been a major backbone and by your side through this time now.

635
00:28:33,340 --> 00:28:38,700
So how has he felt about the disrespect that you've received on Gills Arena so far?

636
00:28:38,700 --> 00:28:39,700
It's typical.

637
00:28:39,700 --> 00:28:42,520
He's heard all my stories, you know, so he's not shocked.

638
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:51,200
He's more shocked that it's a show that I was literally flying to LA, leaving my family

639
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:52,860
behind to do it.

640
00:28:52,860 --> 00:28:55,480
You know, he was just like quit.

641
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:56,480
You're rich.

642
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:58,480
You don't need this.

643
00:28:58,480 --> 00:28:59,480
No quit.

644
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:02,000
Like, don't let someone disrespect you.

645
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:07,800
Like, you know, he always he's going to like tell me whatever is going to just end it.

646
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:12,600
You know, he's not the, you know, of course, when he found out like what was really going

647
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:17,600
on, what was happening with me, he was upset that none of these men, you know, had my back.

648
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,680
They weren't like supportive of me.

649
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,460
And that's what he was just like quit, leave.

650
00:29:23,460 --> 00:29:24,460
You don't have to take this.

651
00:29:24,460 --> 00:29:25,880
You don't have to deal with this.

652
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:31,000
Like, don't, don't, you know, let anyone talk to you like that, especially, you know, over

653
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:32,440
something you don't need.

654
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:37,600
And I'm like, but like, I, I put all this work in, I put all this time and I didn't

655
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:41,680
want to quit, you know, even though I probably should have, but I didn't want to quit.

656
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,440
This was and I was, I was asked not to quit several times.

657
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:50,480
And Brent was just like, if you stay, you know, so this is what you have to deal with.

658
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:54,000
You know, he basically was like, you don't have to work a day in your life.

659
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:55,320
Why are you doing this?

660
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:57,280
You said you were done with sports reporting anyway.

661
00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:02,960
You said you were jaded from the whole entire industry and you went back because you know,

662
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:08,000
someone you consider a friend constantly asks you to come back and you went back and you're

663
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:09,000
just being disrespected.

664
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:14,600
And it wasn't just, there was multiple things that were taking place off camera, you know,

665
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:15,600
that he was hearing about.

666
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:18,400
And he just kept saying quit, quit, quit, quit.

667
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:22,560
I just didn't, you know, I just like, no, I'm standing my ground on this, you know,

668
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:29,600
like I'm not going to just bitch up and let them get to me, you know, I deserve to be

669
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:30,800
on this couch, you know?

670
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:36,440
And he was just like, well, this is what happens if you deal with people that don't, you know,

671
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:38,000
support you that aren't real men.

672
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:39,000
Is that Gilbert Arenas?

673
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:41,880
Like how did that friendship, like how did that start?

674
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:43,560
Like from the beginning to get you back up?

675
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:46,800
Well I've known Gil and Brandon, we all are from LA.

676
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:48,660
So we've known each other forever.

677
00:30:48,660 --> 00:30:51,520
Even if we weren't like best friends, we know each other.

678
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:52,680
We know it's Gilbert Arenas.

679
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:54,200
I've known him since he was in middle school.

680
00:30:54,200 --> 00:31:00,760
He would come to, he would come to certain gyms I would see him at.

681
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:10,200
And then when I retired from playing sports and I was working in Atlanta, I went to, I

682
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:13,520
was at a Hawks game and he was playing in the game.

683
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:15,400
And he asked me, he goes, do you remember me?

684
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:18,240
And I'm like, yeah, of course I remember you, you know?

685
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:21,880
And then at that time I was, I was single and I was outside.

686
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:26,720
I was socializing all the, the basketball players, football players.

687
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:30,280
I would get invited to everything, all the events, anything that was going on.

688
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:34,240
I was there and you know, Gil was, you know, a popular person.

689
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:37,400
He was pretty damn famous at that time.

690
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:41,240
So I would, I'm always in circles of, of these players.

691
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:42,240
I'm everywhere.

692
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:43,240
I'm seeing them everywhere.

693
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:45,800
And our friendship continued from there.

694
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:46,800
Right?

695
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:52,520
And we just kept in touch until of course I met Brent, got married, had a family, all

696
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:53,520
these things.

697
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:57,880
And when I got arrested is I didn't, you know, I'd hear from him a long time when I got arrested

698
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:00,720
is when he kind of cracked a joke.

699
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:05,560
I think my mug shot, you know, it's on social media or whatever.

700
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:09,440
Like he like sent me a comment or something.

701
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:13,360
He at me and said, welcome to the club, you know?

702
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:18,680
So it was kind of funny and I was like, you know, he's a jokester.

703
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:19,880
He's funny and all that.

704
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:26,080
And so I was like, Hey, I, I want to do a sports show.

705
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:27,840
I want to do a sports show.

706
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:29,300
You want to do it with me?

707
00:32:29,300 --> 00:32:30,980
And he was like, yeah, let's do it.

708
00:32:30,980 --> 00:32:31,980
You know?

709
00:32:31,980 --> 00:32:34,360
So this was around 2016.

710
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:38,480
I want to say 2016 going into 2017.

711
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:45,960
We were constantly on the phone trying to brainstorm on what the show would be called.

712
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:50,200
You know, what we're going to talk about because he doesn't know football.

713
00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:51,200
I know football.

714
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:53,440
So he's like, okay, well, you can cover the football stuff.

715
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:54,440
I can do the best one.

716
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:55,440
Like, hold on, I can do the basketball too.

717
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,840
It's like, yeah, but you know, you need to do the football shit.

718
00:32:58,840 --> 00:32:59,840
I'm like, okay.

719
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:05,280
So we had several conversations where we were brainstorming for almost like eight months,

720
00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:08,880
I want to say, all over the phone.

721
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,840
We're brainstorming to come up with a show idea.

722
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:16,880
And this was from, I want to say, let's, let's just call it like late 2016 all the way into

723
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:21,760
like September, October of 2017.

724
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:27,800
And we had a time when we were supposed to get on the phone in 2017 to talk about like,

725
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:31,840
we, I, I was pretty much coming up with most of the stuff and I was like, okay, let's,

726
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:33,560
let's, you know, I'm ready to do this.

727
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:35,200
I'm ready to get this going.

728
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:41,720
And then out of nowhere on social media, I see that he has a show coming out like in

729
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:45,440
three days called out of bounds.

730
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:48,020
And I'm like, what the fuck?

731
00:33:48,020 --> 00:33:52,340
So I call him and I'm like, yo, you got a show coming out on complex.

732
00:33:52,340 --> 00:33:53,340
He goes, yeah, yeah, I do.

733
00:33:53,340 --> 00:33:58,880
And I said, why the fuck have you for eight, nine months been brainstorming with me about

734
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:00,760
doing a show and you already have one.

735
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:04,400
Like when were you going to tell me?

736
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:06,720
And it's with Mia Khalifa, a porn star.

737
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:08,920
I was like, what the fuck is that about?

738
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:13,640
And he was like, well, they came to me about doing a show and, and I told them that I wanted

739
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:18,040
you to be the cohost, but they decided to go with her because she has more followers

740
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:19,040
than you.

741
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:20,640
She's a bigger name or whatever.

742
00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:24,160
And I was like, okay, but why didn't you tell me?

743
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:25,680
Why have you been wasting my time?

744
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:27,780
And he had nothing to say about that.

745
00:34:27,780 --> 00:34:34,360
And that right there is when I look at everything that has taken place, that right there, when

746
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:40,520
was a red flag that I totally ignored in this entire situation because he played me, you

747
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:45,840
know, I was hurt, but I wished him the best.

748
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:47,000
I supported his show.

749
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:48,000
I posted it.

750
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:51,360
You know, I watched it, everything.

751
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:54,760
And I knew it was going to fail because she doesn't know football.

752
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:56,240
She doesn't know sports at all.

753
00:34:56,240 --> 00:34:59,720
She's just famous.

754
00:34:59,720 --> 00:35:01,660
And so I'm watching the show.

755
00:35:01,660 --> 00:35:02,660
She has no feedback.

756
00:35:02,660 --> 00:35:06,760
She has nothing really to add to the conversation.

757
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:13,160
And so then he hit me up and he was like, Hey, we got to do a show about the Superbowl.

758
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:14,160
Can you come on?

759
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:17,560
I'm like, hell yeah.

760
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:22,080
You know, he's like, okay, come on the show.

761
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:23,080
Let's do this.

762
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:25,080
And I'm like, all right, bet.

763
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:27,200
So I did the show.

764
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:32,360
I believe, I believe she never came back after I did the show.

765
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:35,600
I don't know if that's true or not, but I don't think he did another show after I was

766
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:38,660
on there.

767
00:35:38,660 --> 00:35:42,080
And then he had me come back again.

768
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:43,320
I did the show again.

769
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:47,920
And then there was, there was other guys that were there with us.

770
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:51,160
And I did the show two times and it was great.

771
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:58,040
I did, I did a good job according to the viewers and the co-hosts.

772
00:35:58,040 --> 00:35:59,040
I did a good job.

773
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:01,240
And he thanked me and everything and it was good.

774
00:36:01,240 --> 00:36:06,600
And we moved on and I had a podcast at the time as well.

775
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:14,640
I heart me go podcast while I was just covering NBA NFL and you know, time went by, time went

776
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:19,400
by the pandemic happened and that's when I was like, you know what?

777
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:20,840
I'm kind of tired of this.

778
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:22,280
I'm not getting respected.

779
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:23,640
I'm not getting love.

780
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:29,280
I had to fire all my advertisers, all my sponsors because I didn't want to sponsor things that

781
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:33,040
I didn't believe in and everybody was like, you have to do this.

782
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:36,440
Like I'm not, I'm not going to do a Sprite commercial.

783
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:38,360
I'm not a vegan.

784
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:39,360
I'm plant-based.

785
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:40,360
I don't drink Sprite.

786
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:41,440
It's bad for you.

787
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:45,320
I'm not going to let Sprite run a commercial on my show.

788
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:47,880
That's just who I was, you know?

789
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:52,240
And I was like, this just, maybe this isn't for me because you have to do stuff like this.

790
00:36:52,240 --> 00:36:58,080
Like they had me advertising a knee sleeve and an ankle or wrist, elbow sleeve that makes

791
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:00,880
you better at your sport.

792
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:01,880
Shit like that.

793
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:02,880
It's not right.

794
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:03,880
It's not real.

795
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:09,840
I had to advertise pills to get your dick hard, to grow your hair back.

796
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:11,800
Like these are things that I'm against.

797
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:14,280
I don't believe in this type of medicine.

798
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:22,000
I don't believe that a knee sleeve can suddenly give you 20 years back of your athletic athleticism.

799
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:26,200
And I was like, this is the only way you can make money is off advertising and things that

800
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:27,200
I don't want to advertise.

801
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:30,360
And I was like, this just isn't for me.

802
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:32,080
This is not the industry for me.

803
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:33,080
That's why I can't do radio.

804
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:35,040
I don't, I'm not doing any of these ads.

805
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:36,720
I was like, fuck.

806
00:37:36,720 --> 00:37:38,760
So I had to stand on who I really was.

807
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:40,360
And so I quit sports.

808
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:41,680
I quit.

809
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:43,120
I just quit.

810
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:47,680
So during that time, right after you departed, I want to just touch on this real quick and

811
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:49,620
then we'll go back to Gills.

812
00:37:49,620 --> 00:37:54,400
You also wrote, Ho, happiness over everything, correct?

813
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:56,840
Yes, I did.

814
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:58,720
I did that during the pandemic.

815
00:37:58,720 --> 00:38:04,120
So when, when I decided that I wanted to leave the sports industry, the pandemic happened

816
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:06,880
and I was, I was originally a journalist, a sports journalist.

817
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:11,800
I was a writer, but I knew that, you know, writing was gone once social media happened.

818
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:14,120
You had to do video.

819
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:15,120
Everything was instant.

820
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:16,980
You can't, no one was reading the newspaper anymore.

821
00:38:16,980 --> 00:38:19,800
So I was a writer for no reason essentially.

822
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:21,400
So I just said, you know what?

823
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:24,240
I want to write a TV series.

824
00:38:24,240 --> 00:38:27,240
I want to write TV and film.

825
00:38:27,240 --> 00:38:29,760
I had nothing else to do like everybody else during the pandemic.

826
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:33,840
So I ordered a whole bunch of books to teach me how to write a short film.

827
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:38,720
I decided to make it a short film first and reached out to some people that are in the

828
00:38:38,720 --> 00:38:40,520
industry on what I should do.

829
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:42,120
They told me what books to buy.

830
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:48,000
So I bought some books and I taught myself how to write a script and I wrote a script

831
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,880
for a short film called Ho.

832
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:54,280
It's an acronym, happiness over everything.

833
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:57,320
And I wrote it and I shot it during the pandemic.

834
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:01,480
And so far I've won eight awards in film festivals.

835
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:02,480
Oh shit.

836
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:04,480
Everybody give a little clap.

837
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:05,480
I love that.

838
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:06,480
That's eight.

839
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:07,480
That is crazy.

840
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:08,820
That's crazy for someone that's self-taught too.

841
00:39:08,820 --> 00:39:09,820
So that's amazing.

842
00:39:09,820 --> 00:39:10,820
I love that.

843
00:39:10,820 --> 00:39:13,600
And the best part about it is I didn't just write it.

844
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:15,600
I starred in it.

845
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:19,440
Look, she's a writer, producer and actress.

846
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:21,040
Right.

847
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:22,040
I've never acted.

848
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:23,040
I've never taken a class.

849
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:26,240
I felt bad because I was like, I could, you know, it was during the pandemic.

850
00:39:26,240 --> 00:39:28,040
You weren't supposed to be filming anything, you know?

851
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:30,160
So we had to do this very small set.

852
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:31,160
I wrote it.

853
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:32,160
It was only five characters.

854
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:36,720
So it wasn't like a big thing, but it was a big thing.

855
00:39:36,720 --> 00:39:40,000
I'm going to say that's a big thing.

856
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:43,040
But I starred in it and I wrote it.

857
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:45,320
I executive produced it.

858
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:46,800
I cast it.

859
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:49,640
I did the music, which is called Scoring It.

860
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:50,640
Yeah.

861
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:54,600
I just kind of dove into a new industry and it's like, I want to try something new.

862
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:56,920
I want to start over, you know, something different.

863
00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:59,000
And I'm loving this industry now.

864
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:02,560
And I was doing this for the past two years.

865
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:08,520
And then that's when I, when I, when Gil reached out to me and told me he was doing this show,

866
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:09,520
Gil's Arena.

867
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:16,760
It was in July of 2022 is when he approached me on it and said, Hey, I'm doing a new show.

868
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:22,520
Gil's Arena is going to start in 2023 and the beginning of the year.

869
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:23,520
And it's in LA.

870
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:24,520
And I was like, Oh, I can't do that.

871
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:25,520
Like, I'm not going to be able to live in LA.

872
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:26,520
Like I live in Florida.

873
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:27,520
You know that.

874
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:31,880
And he was like, well, we have floating rotating co-hosts.

875
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:35,640
So you can kind of pick a week where you can come out, do a week and go back home.

876
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:37,120
You know, you can pop in and out.

877
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:41,880
We'll have a schedule so that, you know, you can pick when you can come.

878
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:48,120
And at the time I said, yes, but then when January, 2023 came, I didn't want to do it.

879
00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:50,640
I was like, Oh, I don't want to do it.

880
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:52,520
I don't feel like traveling to LA every week.

881
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:55,560
And you know, I worry he was going once a month because I have businesses and things

882
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:57,400
here, but I didn't want to do it.

883
00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:59,120
I didn't want to get back into the sports world.

884
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:00,120
And I was like, I'm jaded.

885
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:01,920
I can't, I don't trust it.

886
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:03,800
He's like, you're doing it with me.

887
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:04,800
I'm your nigga.

888
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:07,600
Like we, you know, like, no, we're doing this.

889
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:09,840
Like, come on, this is perfect for you.

890
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:13,240
You'll get to say everything you want to say, you won't have to worry about people, you

891
00:41:13,240 --> 00:41:15,280
know, trying to cancel you a black boy.

892
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:17,280
You know, I'm going to say everything I want to say.

893
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:18,800
We can be disrespectful as fuck.

894
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:21,040
We can, it's going to be our true opinions.

895
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:22,440
Like we're going to go at it.

896
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:25,200
Like, this is going to be one of those shows and you belong here.

897
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:28,440
Like you, you belong on this cast.

898
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:29,440
And I still didn't do it.

899
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:31,680
I was like, no, I just don't want to do it.

900
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:37,040
And it took me until April of him, you know, texting me, hitting me up and saying like,

901
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:39,640
yo, I really, you know, come on, like, come on, I need you.

902
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:41,880
Like, come on, do the show, do the show.

903
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:47,160
And I'm like, I talked to some of my friends about everything and they were just like,

904
00:41:47,160 --> 00:41:48,160
do it.

905
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:51,840
Like, you know, it's Gil, like he's not going to play you like all these other people did.

906
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:54,360
He's not going to do you dirty.

907
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:55,360
And I'm like, you know what?

908
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:56,360
You're right.

909
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:57,360
This is my people.

910
00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:58,360
Fuck it.

911
00:41:58,360 --> 00:41:59,360
I'll do it.

912
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:04,320
So I joined the show in April and here we are.

913
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:08,560
Was it just like that vibe that he was selling to you when he was talking to you or did it

914
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:10,520
just always start off kind of shaky?

915
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:13,680
Oh, no, it was exactly as advertised.

916
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:16,040
I was having the time of my life.

917
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:18,200
I was able to be myself.

918
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:21,720
I invented what we call a titty Tuesday.

919
00:42:21,720 --> 00:42:24,560
You know, I was the only and I found out only girl on the show.

920
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:26,520
I was like, oh, I got to give some titties.

921
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:27,520
I got to give.

922
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:31,440
I got to, you know, I just wanted it to, I didn't want to be a basic sports reporter,

923
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:32,440
have a suit on.

924
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:37,440
You know, I wanted to give feminine energy on this show with so much dick.

925
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:43,560
And I was just like, we need some estrogen, you know, and he allowed that he was like,

926
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:45,120
yes, he goes, I love what you're wearing.

927
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:46,120
I love what you're doing.

928
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:47,120
I love it all.

929
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:50,480
Like you're bringing sex appeal, but you're also, you know, your shit.

930
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:52,040
Like it's it was going great.

931
00:42:52,040 --> 00:43:01,680
Everything was going really good until I, I, how do I say this?

932
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:06,000
I found out that Rashad McCamp wearing fake Jordans.

933
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:09,680
So we'll get to that in a second.

934
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:12,200
What was the experience like with everyone else?

935
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:14,760
When you first started, so obviously talked about Gil, he was, you know, you guys were

936
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:17,720
hand in hand in that and everything was seeming to go great.

937
00:43:17,720 --> 00:43:22,760
But what was the experience like with Rashad and then Brandon and Kenny didn't come until

938
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:23,760
really later.

939
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:25,640
But what was that experience like for you?

940
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:31,280
Well, I, as I said, I've known Brandon for a very long time.

941
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:37,320
Brandon and I have very, very strong friendship for a lot of years.

942
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:47,880
And then we had an incident that I don't really want to speak on, but we ended our friendship.

943
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:54,520
And so when I decided to do the show, I was like, okay, I'm going to run into Brandon.

944
00:43:54,520 --> 00:44:00,100
And so the first day, the very first day that I was on set was with Brandon and I walked

945
00:44:00,100 --> 00:44:04,360
up to him and I said, the last time we spoke, it was beef.

946
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:05,360
Is it beef?

947
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:07,040
And he was like, no, it's over with.

948
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:08,840
I moved past it.

949
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:09,840
We're working.

950
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:10,840
Let's go.

951
00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:11,840
Let's do this show.

952
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:13,240
It's going to be good.

953
00:44:13,240 --> 00:44:17,120
We dapped up, acted like the beef never happened.

954
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:19,400
And we were working great together.

955
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:24,120
Me and Brandon were back like it was when we were fucking BFFs.

956
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:25,120
It was great.

957
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:26,440
I didn't know Rashad McCamp.

958
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:29,440
I didn't even know him as a basketball player.

959
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:35,680
I always thought that I knew he played in the NBA, but I thought it was like maybe one

960
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:36,880
year.

961
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:37,880
I didn't know anything about him.

962
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:41,640
The only thing I remember about him was that he dated Khloe Kardashian.

963
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:42,640
That was it.

964
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:48,000
I had no after UNC, I had no information about him whatsoever.

965
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:49,000
Nothing.

966
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:51,800
What was your time like with Rashad?

967
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:52,960
So I mean, what was the atmosphere like?

968
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:55,040
What was the temperature up into that Jordan moment?

969
00:44:55,040 --> 00:45:00,120
I know it got worse after that, but was it at least okay until that point?

970
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:01,120
No.

971
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:06,640
I didn't like that he was his sports IQ was so low.

972
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:07,640
I didn't like that.

973
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:10,280
I didn't understand why he was on the show.

974
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:14,320
I would ask Gilbert constantly like why he was there.

975
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:19,800
And it was relayed to me that everybody needs a guy like him.

976
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:22,400
We need clicks.

977
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:27,880
He brings ratings, the stupid things that he says, it gets people to click on it and

978
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:28,880
talk shit.

979
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:34,120
Even if people don't realize it, just talking shit about him gives people ratings.

980
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:38,760
When you click and you type in this motherfucker is so stupid, why would he say da, da, da,

981
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:39,760
da, da?

982
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:46,480
You're generating buzz for the show and all publicity is good publicity basically is what

983
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:49,720
I was told that he's on there for.

984
00:45:49,720 --> 00:45:53,560
And it was bothering me because I'm sitting here thinking to myself, I don't want to be

985
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:55,320
a part of something like that.

986
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:57,000
I want true journalists.

987
00:45:57,000 --> 00:46:00,640
I even questioned Brandon being on the show.

988
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:02,320
Brandon brings nothing to the show either.

989
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:04,280
He doesn't even talk really.

990
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:10,360
If it's not about Tuff Crowe or Steph Curry or the Bucks, he doesn't have pretty much

991
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:14,440
anything to bring to the conversation.

992
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:19,700
But again, I realized after talking to Gilbert that he was struggling to get people on the

993
00:46:19,700 --> 00:46:25,040
show consistently and they were available.

994
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:26,440
Of course they're available.

995
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:27,440
They're not talented.

996
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:28,440
Damn.

997
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:29,440
That's wild.

998
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:36,920
I mean, because I would assume with being a name like Gil, everybody knows who Gil is

999
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:37,920
like we said earlier.

1000
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:43,400
So it's weird that what else did he do off the court or off the cameras that is building

1001
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:46,720
that tension where people didn't feel comfortable to come on his show.

1002
00:46:46,720 --> 00:46:47,720
You know what I'm saying?

1003
00:46:47,720 --> 00:46:48,720
That's pretty wild.

1004
00:46:48,720 --> 00:46:50,760
Yeah, I didn't understand either.

1005
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:54,000
I honestly thought Gil could get anybody on that show.

1006
00:46:54,000 --> 00:47:00,960
But what I think I learned being on the show is that Gilbert, his opinions are like mine

1007
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:01,960
sometimes.

1008
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:03,280
It's hard to take.

1009
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:05,960
And some people might be scared to come on the show.

1010
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:10,100
Some people might not like some of the things that he might say or maybe he says some things

1011
00:47:10,100 --> 00:47:12,100
about them in the past.

1012
00:47:12,100 --> 00:47:15,920
You know, because this isn't his first show.

1013
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:19,560
What's funny about that is I know we're in a tough spot right now.

1014
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:22,360
That's what got us here as far as you and Gil, right?

1015
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:27,120
But obviously I've been covering that show for a very long time for Entirely NBA.

1016
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:33,160
And I will say that the dynamic that you two have is well beyond those of the other co-hosts.

1017
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:36,280
So yes, Rashad is there for Clicks, Brandon is there for maybe the connections with Steph

1018
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:39,040
and Tough Crowd and etc.

1019
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:44,400
But between you and Gil, you can clearly see that both one, you are both well-educated

1020
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:48,000
in terms of not only sports, but people in general, right?

1021
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:54,360
Because you have to have that emotional intelligence to be able to see what type of emotions and

1022
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:57,680
thinking goes into certain decisions when it comes to basketball or certain actions

1023
00:47:57,680 --> 00:47:58,880
or whatever it may be, right?

1024
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:02,240
So I always said to myself, God damn, if it was just really those two leading it, what

1025
00:48:02,240 --> 00:48:04,360
would that show really become?

1026
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:09,480
And so I say that to also say, love what you guys did together.

1027
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:11,960
The other person that I love on that show is obviously Kenyon.

1028
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:14,680
So what's your relationship like with Kate Mark?

1029
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:17,800
Kenyon, I love him.

1030
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:25,960
He is the epitome of a man, you know, and I had to bring a situation to Kenyon that

1031
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:26,960
I didn't think he remembered.

1032
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:31,960
Of course he didn't, but I had a run in with Kenyon way back in the day where his security

1033
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:35,800
physically beat up me and my girlfriend in a club.

1034
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:40,400
Will not beat us up, but slammed us to the ground in the club because they thought they

1035
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:42,240
were trying to get to Kenyon's section.

1036
00:48:42,240 --> 00:48:48,800
But reality, my girlfriend was drunk and being stupid and they kind of like and handled us

1037
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:49,800
in the club.

1038
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:53,460
And obviously it wasn't Kenyon's fault, but you know, his security did that.

1039
00:48:53,460 --> 00:48:56,240
And so when I got on the show, I was like, do you remember this incident in the club?

1040
00:48:56,240 --> 00:48:57,240
And blah, blah, blah.

1041
00:48:57,240 --> 00:48:58,240
I was telling him about it.

1042
00:48:58,240 --> 00:48:59,640
He was just like, oh my God, that was you.

1043
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:03,920
And I'm like, yeah.

1044
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:06,640
But he was, he was always a class act.

1045
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:12,360
And even with my first time having him be on the show with him, he told me that after

1046
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:15,520
the show he was like, I had no idea that you were this smart.

1047
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:17,360
I had no idea that you had this kind of information.

1048
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:19,920
He goes, I'm doing my own show soon.

1049
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:23,640
I'd be interested in talking to you about being the cohost on my show.

1050
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:24,640
And I was like, really?

1051
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:25,640
And he was like, yeah.

1052
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:29,240
He goes, well, you know, once I figure everything out, we can, we can talk about that.

1053
00:49:29,240 --> 00:49:31,720
He goes, but I really respect your IQ and everything.

1054
00:49:31,720 --> 00:49:33,160
And I was like, thank you.

1055
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:34,840
And he just a nice guy.

1056
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:38,960
He's his IQ is this high, you know, and he's no bullshit.

1057
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:40,080
I love that about him.

1058
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:46,000
He's no bullshit, but he's also smart, you know, obviously just like you described, Kenyon

1059
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:48,880
is the way that we see him from afar over here.

1060
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:54,240
I'm sure you guys converse after every show or have some type of group chat.

1061
00:49:54,240 --> 00:49:59,240
What the hell does Kenyon say about some of these antics that happened between you Rashad

1062
00:49:59,240 --> 00:50:00,240
and Brandon?

1063
00:50:00,240 --> 00:50:03,320
Kenyon is not in the group chat.

1064
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:07,360
He seemed like the laid back type, like he's just coming to do his job.

1065
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:11,440
Like coming to do his job, figure out what he can do and go back home.

1066
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:13,120
That's what he seemed like.

1067
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:18,400
He had no idea of some of the things that I was going through until I actually told

1068
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:19,400
him.

1069
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:20,400
All right.

1070
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:23,280
So then if that's not something Kenyon knew, then tell me about the experiences you would

1071
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:27,080
have at least bringing this up with these guys off camera.

1072
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:31,000
Was there any instances that you could talk about that you had with Brandon or Rashad

1073
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:33,520
after show hours that you could speak on?

1074
00:50:33,520 --> 00:50:39,680
We would have situations where we'd be in the group chat trying to brainstorm or think

1075
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:44,280
about coming, doing a show earlier or like, oh, we're going to do a game today.

1076
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:46,600
So we need to come in at this time and that time.

1077
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:50,040
And Rashad would not be responding in the group chat.

1078
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:53,160
And so people will be like, yo, text him outside.

1079
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:54,920
Somebody call him and tell him he needs to get in here.

1080
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:56,640
We need to coordinate this or whatever.

1081
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:57,640
Right.

1082
00:50:57,640 --> 00:51:01,040
And then there would be hours that would go by that he wouldn't respond.

1083
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:04,840
And so then he would come into the group chat like, oh, I'm so sorry.

1084
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:08,720
I was just fucking these three exotic bitches.

1085
00:51:08,720 --> 00:51:12,920
One was sucking my toes, one had my dick in her mouth, one did it.

1086
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:14,920
I was like, what?

1087
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:24,360
Like we're in the work group chat.

1088
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:25,360
You know?

1089
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:27,960
Like, why do we need to know that?

1090
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:28,960
Right.

1091
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:31,880
And so I was the only person that would address it.

1092
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:33,720
I would be like, yo, what the fuck?

1093
00:51:33,720 --> 00:51:35,520
Like, what is, what is this?

1094
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:38,000
And he did it constantly.

1095
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:41,000
And I would always say something like, God, no one cares.

1096
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:46,200
I said, did you know the men that talk about all the pussy they're getting are getting

1097
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:47,200
none?

1098
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:48,200
Don't get none.

1099
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:49,200
You know?

1100
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:53,420
And then he would always talk about the girls being exotic.

1101
00:51:53,420 --> 00:51:55,800
And I'd be like, what, what do you mean exotic?

1102
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:58,240
And he's like, yeah, I don't, I don't fuck with black bitches.

1103
00:51:58,240 --> 00:52:00,320
I only fuck exotic bitches.

1104
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:03,480
And I was like, what's more exotic than a black girl?

1105
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:06,440
And he would just always saying this stupid shit and it would get on my nerves.

1106
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:08,520
And then he would start saying disrespectful things to me.

1107
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:14,240
Like he was making up nicknames for me that were like, kind of like sexist or disrespectful,

1108
00:52:14,240 --> 00:52:18,480
like just kind of coming at me, like saying stupid shit all the time.

1109
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:22,800
And I would talk to the producers and like, yo, like tell him to chill.

1110
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:23,800
Like shut up.

1111
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:27,960
So Gil made a separate group chat for just us, the co-hosts.

1112
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:32,840
Like yo, you guys aren't supposed to be talking to the, to the white men in the group chat

1113
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:33,840
like this.

1114
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:36,200
Like y'all save all that other shit for over here, you know?

1115
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:37,960
And I'll just be like, yo, what's wrong with you?

1116
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:43,720
And so they were, Brandon and Gil told me that Rashad wasn't doing any of that talk,

1117
00:52:43,720 --> 00:52:47,240
being disrespected, being crazy until I came on the show.

1118
00:52:47,240 --> 00:52:50,280
And they were telling me like, oh, we think he likes you.

1119
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:53,320
And I'm like, why would he like me when he just said he doesn't like black girls?

1120
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:57,480
They're like, he must be trying to impress you by telling you how much pussy he's getting

1121
00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:01,880
because he never once had this type of energy in the group chat until we put you in there.

1122
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:06,400
And I was just like, okay, whatever.

1123
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:07,400
It was just weird.

1124
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:09,560
And I was constantly asking him to stop.

1125
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:14,000
I was, you know, and took, and then it got to the point where he would say little slick

1126
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:18,880
shit to me when we were off camera, you know, just being super disrespectful.

1127
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:22,640
And it got to the point where the producers had to say something to him.

1128
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:28,880
Like he got a warning about how he was talking to me.

1129
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:33,200
But again, I hate that I even brought all that up because to be honest with you, we

1130
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:34,700
squashed it.

1131
00:53:34,700 --> 00:53:35,920
We squashed it.

1132
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:36,920
We moved on.

1133
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:39,880
Then the shoe thing happened.

1134
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:41,120
Talk about that real quick.

1135
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:46,520
I didn't even know that he had a shoe line, that he had a clothing line.

1136
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:48,960
I didn't know any of that.

1137
00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:51,880
I swear to you, I did not know that.

1138
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:55,240
And I think it's because I didn't watch the show before I came on.

1139
00:53:55,240 --> 00:54:00,080
I watched maybe three episodes and the whole four months it was on.

1140
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:01,080
I was living my life.

1141
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:02,080
I was doing shit.

1142
00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:03,080
I played tennis.

1143
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:04,080
I'm a mom.

1144
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:05,080
I have shit going on.

1145
00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:07,360
So I wasn't really watching the show.

1146
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:11,080
So maybe I would have known that this was all his clothing lines, clothes, his shoes,

1147
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:12,920
everything is all his shit.

1148
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:18,360
So when the situation took place with the shoe, I didn't know I was disrespecting him.

1149
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:23,840
I really thought that he just had bad fashion and that he was cheap.

1150
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:28,760
So I didn't know that the things I was saying was disrespecting his actual brand.

1151
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:33,000
Because had I known that, I would have never said what I said.

1152
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:41,080
I'm not here to destroy people or to shit on what they're trying to accomplish, especially

1153
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:42,080
a black man.

1154
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:45,200
I would never have done that.

1155
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:48,560
I'm just sitting here looking at my favorite Jordans.

1156
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:51,880
I got married in Jordan 11s.

1157
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:54,640
My wedding pictures are in Jordan 11s.

1158
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:59,720
So when I looked at the shoe, I could tell it's a fake.

1159
00:54:59,720 --> 00:55:00,720
You know, but it wasn't me.

1160
00:55:00,720 --> 00:55:02,440
I don't know why everybody's blaming me.

1161
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:05,380
Josiah is the one that asked the question.

1162
00:55:05,380 --> 00:55:06,880
You know, the chat is going on live.

1163
00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:07,880
Josiah is watching.

1164
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:08,880
The producers are watching.

1165
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:12,560
They fed that into us for us to talk about his shoes.

1166
00:55:12,560 --> 00:55:17,200
So everybody there knew that this was his clothing line, that that was his shoe brand.

1167
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:18,200
And they brought it in.

1168
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:19,200
I didn't know.

1169
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:23,920
So I didn't know that I'm attacking a man's brand.

1170
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:26,200
And he just kept trying to act like they weren't fake.

1171
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:29,120
And that was bothering me that he kept trying to act like they weren't fake.

1172
00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:30,440
But that's what I kept going.

1173
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:32,080
Like, no, my nigga, those are fake.

1174
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:33,920
And not only that, that's not Burberry.

1175
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:36,240
That's a fake knockoff Burberry pattern as well.

1176
00:55:36,240 --> 00:55:37,240
Like, what are you doing?

1177
00:55:37,240 --> 00:55:38,240
Like, just own it.

1178
00:55:38,240 --> 00:55:39,920
If you're wearing something fake, own it.

1179
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:40,920
I wear fake shit.

1180
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:43,760
Girls wear fake jewelry, fake everything all the time.

1181
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:44,760
Who gives a fuck?

1182
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:47,000
If that's what you want, that's what you want.

1183
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:48,000
But don't try to lie about it.

1184
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:51,000
Because when the lie happened, that's why I kept going, going, going.

1185
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:54,080
Because I'm like, no, my nigga, you're not going to sit here and lie in my face.

1186
00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:59,080
So then after the show was over and how I realized how upset he was, I went to Brandon

1187
00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:04,680
Gilbert and I was like, why is he so upset that I said something about his fake shoes?

1188
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:05,960
Like, doesn't he know that they're fake?

1189
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:06,960
Like, did he get hustled?

1190
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:10,600
Like, you know, you could buy something that's fake and you didn't know.

1191
00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:12,680
And they were like, no, that's his brand.

1192
00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:14,680
He made those.

1193
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:16,280
And I was like, what?

1194
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:18,600
He made fake Jordans and fake Burberry?

1195
00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:22,080
He like on purpose did that?

1196
00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:23,800
And they were like, yeah.

1197
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:24,800
And they were laughing about it.

1198
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:30,060
And I was like, I was like, okay, so why does he wear those clothes?

1199
00:56:30,060 --> 00:56:33,440
And they were like, that's his clothing line.

1200
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:36,640
And I'm like, what?

1201
00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:38,280
And I was like, so you guys are his friend.

1202
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:39,880
Like you guys have been on this show this whole time.

1203
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:44,400
Why don't you guys talk to him about, you know, getting like help them out, Brandon,

1204
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:46,600
you got to close the line, like help them out.

1205
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:48,720
Like, you know, so he's better.

1206
00:56:48,720 --> 00:56:52,480
And they were just like, no, we're going to let him keep wearing that bullshit.

1207
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:54,080
That's that's what he want to wear.

1208
00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:55,080
That's on him.

1209
00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:58,720
And I'm like, I wish you guys would have told me I would have never went at him like that

1210
00:56:58,720 --> 00:57:00,880
had I known that was his, I would have backed off.

1211
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:03,080
I would I would have just stayed away from it.

1212
00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:04,760
So I felt like it was like intentional.

1213
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:07,160
They wanted me to do that.

1214
00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:08,160
It's that's that's crazy.

1215
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:09,160
That's pretty you would have me hot to.

1216
00:57:09,160 --> 00:57:10,160
I'm not going to lie.

1217
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:12,600
You would have me on to I mean, but you didn't know in your defense.

1218
00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:14,840
It look, he says a bad business decision.

1219
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:19,440
That's why you wear knock knock.

1220
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:20,440
You can't wear knock knock.

1221
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:21,920
That just doesn't work out.

1222
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:27,720
It's too many people that know about Jays to wear knock knock.

1223
00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:28,720
Knock knock.

1224
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:29,720
Okay.

1225
00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:30,960
That was one of those last draws.

1226
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:34,960
I remember seeing that episode and then after that, it was kind of just subtle knocks.

1227
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:38,800
You can kind of tell in the mannerisms when you would speak, it'd be like, you know, why

1228
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:39,800
should you at this point?

1229
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:40,800
Why is she talking?

1230
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:42,320
We didn't want me on the show.

1231
00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:43,800
I need to say this.

1232
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:49,200
I approached him first of all.

1233
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:58,680
Four times since that shoe incident and attempted to apologize to him face to face like a grownup.

1234
00:57:58,680 --> 00:58:06,440
He pretty much told me to fuck off every single time because I could tell that he was coming

1235
00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:09,460
at me after that because of the shoe thing.

1236
00:58:09,460 --> 00:58:12,240
And I would come up to him like, can we hug it out?

1237
00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:13,360
Can we dab it out?

1238
00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:14,680
I'm sorry.

1239
00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:15,880
I'm sorry.

1240
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:16,920
I didn't know.

1241
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:18,800
I will never speak on it again.

1242
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:20,240
I didn't know.

1243
00:58:20,240 --> 00:58:22,680
And he just like, get the fuck out my face.

1244
00:58:22,680 --> 00:58:23,680
Fuck away from me.

1245
00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:24,680
Like rude.

1246
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:25,680
And I was just like, I can't even win.

1247
00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:29,640
I was like, fuck it.

1248
00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:32,000
Then I guess this is beef the rest of the show then.

1249
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:36,760
Because like I tried to apologize and I would tell Gill and them, I told the producers,

1250
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:38,560
like I keep trying to apologize to him.

1251
00:58:38,560 --> 00:58:39,560
He won't accept my apology.

1252
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:42,560
He just keeps telling me to fuck off and get the fuck out of his face.

1253
00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:43,920
What am I supposed to do?

1254
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:44,920
You said it earlier.

1255
00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:45,920
I mean, you did your part.

1256
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:47,240
You can only do your part now.

1257
00:58:47,240 --> 00:58:51,440
I'm saying that if he doesn't receive what you, your apology or accept the apology.

1258
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:56,000
I mean, you did your part and then you can do after that.

1259
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:57,000
Yeah.

1260
00:58:57,000 --> 00:58:58,200
I mean, and so I just said, fuck it.

1261
00:58:58,200 --> 00:59:01,640
And then I guess we just gonna go at it because you're already having bad takes.

1262
00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:06,280
And I was trying to be nice and not come at him every time he had a bad take.

1263
00:59:06,280 --> 00:59:09,760
But after that, now I'm gonna, every time you say something stupid, I'm gonna tell you

1264
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:12,320
that it's stupid and I'm gonna tell you why.

1265
00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:13,800
And that's kind of became the thing.

1266
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:15,480
And Gilbert was like, I love it.

1267
00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:17,640
I love it when you guys go at it.

1268
00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:20,360
Oh man, this is so good.

1269
00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:21,360
Keep going.

1270
00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:24,480
I'm like, you love it, but I'm the one that's getting shit on.

1271
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:28,520
I'm the one that's getting disrespected and keep saying like, I don't belong on the show.

1272
00:59:28,520 --> 00:59:29,520
Like I don't belong here.

1273
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:30,520
Like, wow.

1274
00:59:30,520 --> 00:59:31,520
Like why is he allowed to say that?

1275
00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:32,520
And he was just like, just ignore him.

1276
00:59:32,520 --> 00:59:33,520
Just keep going.

1277
00:59:33,520 --> 00:59:34,520
Just keep going out.

1278
00:59:34,520 --> 00:59:35,520
Just keep going back.

1279
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:37,400
And you know, Gilbert loved that type of shit.

1280
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:38,400
He loved drama.

1281
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:39,640
He loved it.

1282
00:59:39,640 --> 00:59:41,320
Was there any, so that's on camera.

1283
00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:46,240
I'm sure that carries over off too, but was there any validation given by Gilbert just

1284
00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:49,480
to let the guys know like, hey, I understand this is what's said on the show, but you also

1285
00:59:49,480 --> 00:59:53,080
got to understand that she knows what she's talking about.

1286
00:59:53,080 --> 00:59:54,080
Nothing like that.

1287
00:59:54,080 --> 00:59:55,080
Never, never.

1288
00:59:55,080 --> 00:59:57,080
And I constantly asked for it.

1289
00:59:57,080 --> 01:00:00,080
And he just was like, just deal with it.

1290
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:01,080
Suck it up.

1291
01:00:01,080 --> 01:00:02,080
You'll be fine.

1292
01:00:02,080 --> 01:00:03,080
You can take it.

1293
01:00:03,080 --> 01:00:04,080
I got you.

1294
01:00:04,080 --> 01:00:05,080
Okay.

1295
01:00:05,080 --> 01:00:06,880
I mean, I have no doubt that you can.

1296
01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:11,040
I know it's still something that you shouldn't have to deal with a hundred percent.

1297
01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:15,360
And so that led to, I mean, some more turmoil, but then obviously the a hundred episode came

1298
01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:20,200
up, which you didn't really know that you weren't on it until someone had to tell you

1299
01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:21,640
you weren't on that sizzle.

1300
01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:24,200
How did it feel?

1301
01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:28,160
One, being left off the a hundred episode celebration.

1302
01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:30,600
And then two, what was that conversation like?

1303
01:00:30,600 --> 01:00:33,320
Cause I'm sure you brought it up.

1304
01:00:33,320 --> 01:00:38,360
So I have to, we have to go back and we have to talk about the elephant because I feel

1305
01:00:38,360 --> 01:00:42,960
like a lot of people think that the issue and the reason that I'm not on this show is

1306
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:46,400
because me and Rashad were beefing and I couldn't handle it.

1307
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:53,120
And that Rashad has nothing to do with why I'm not on Gills arena.

1308
01:00:53,120 --> 01:00:54,120
Yes.

1309
01:00:54,120 --> 01:00:55,120
He's an asshole.

1310
01:00:55,120 --> 01:00:56,120
Yes.

1311
01:00:56,120 --> 01:01:00,240
He disrespects me all the time, but he is not the reason I'm not on the show.

1312
01:01:00,240 --> 01:01:03,580
The reason I'm not on the show is August 9th.

1313
01:01:03,580 --> 01:01:11,920
There was an episode where Rashad McCants asked if he could do a shout out and the shout

1314
01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:15,720
out was for the cars.

1315
01:01:15,720 --> 01:01:17,440
And so we're like, yeah, what's your shout out?

1316
01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:23,480
You know, and this is the same episode where we got into it about the whole, who the leader

1317
01:01:23,480 --> 01:01:28,200
should be that that whole episode that was, this is, that's the episode where all this

1318
01:01:28,200 --> 01:01:29,200
shit happened.

1319
01:01:29,200 --> 01:01:30,560
Brandon was not on the show.

1320
01:01:30,560 --> 01:01:31,760
Okay.

1321
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:37,560
So I'm told after the fact that Brandon asked if Carl Malone could be on the show, the producer

1322
01:01:37,560 --> 01:01:41,840
said no, because Carl Malone's a pedophile.

1323
01:01:41,840 --> 01:01:42,840
Okay.

1324
01:01:42,840 --> 01:01:50,920
I'm guessing that Brandon gave Rashad, Carl Malone cigars that he wanted to promote.

1325
01:01:50,920 --> 01:01:55,920
So Rashad decides to promote the cigars on the show.

1326
01:01:55,920 --> 01:02:04,000
As he's giving this shout out, Gilbert and I are both cutting him off, basically calling

1327
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:06,720
Carl Malone a pedophile.

1328
01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:09,000
Right?

1329
01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:14,720
Because this is happening, Brandon is clearly watching the show from home and he's texting

1330
01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:21,480
in the work group chat saying, Miko, you got a problem with Carl Malone?

1331
01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:25,440
And I'm, you know, we're able to be on our phone during the show and I see the group,

1332
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:29,960
you know, and I'm looking and I just threw a thumbs up in there to that text.

1333
01:02:29,960 --> 01:02:32,920
Like, yes, I got a problem with a pedophile.

1334
01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:33,920
Duh.

1335
01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:34,920
Right?

1336
01:02:34,920 --> 01:02:35,920
I put my phone down.

1337
01:02:35,920 --> 01:02:38,780
I don't look at my phone the rest of the show, but it's going off, you know?

1338
01:02:38,780 --> 01:02:43,600
So we do the whole show, the whole leadership happens, the whole, I got titties, that moment

1339
01:02:43,600 --> 01:02:49,000
happened, you know, of him telling me, because I didn't play in the WNBA, but my opinion

1340
01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:50,000
is invalid.

1341
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:56,960
Gilbert, you know, getting his chips and egging it on, loving it like he always does.

1342
01:02:56,960 --> 01:03:04,080
And so when we get off the show, me and Rashad, Dap, like we always do.

1343
01:03:04,080 --> 01:03:10,920
We beef on the show, we talk shit, we get into it, but we dap'd.

1344
01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:15,880
I have no problem with Rashad outside of him just having a low IQ and being, you know,

1345
01:03:15,880 --> 01:03:17,840
a fucking dumb ass.

1346
01:03:17,840 --> 01:03:22,200
I leave, as soon as the show's over, I'm out.

1347
01:03:22,200 --> 01:03:23,200
I leave immediately.

1348
01:03:23,200 --> 01:03:25,120
I got shit to do.

1349
01:03:25,120 --> 01:03:30,760
I leave, I get in my car, I look at the text messages in the group chat and I see that

1350
01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:38,760
Brandon is threatening me in the group chat, telling me that his girlfriend is going to

1351
01:03:38,760 --> 01:03:42,400
basically beat my ass tomorrow on the show.

1352
01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:47,520
He didn't say those exact words, but that's what he said.

1353
01:03:47,520 --> 01:03:55,600
I asked him, I said, is Gilbert getting beat up too?

1354
01:03:55,600 --> 01:03:59,200
Because I wasn't the only person calling him a pedophile.

1355
01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:01,680
Why aren't you threatening Gilbert?

1356
01:04:01,680 --> 01:04:02,680
What's up?

1357
01:04:02,680 --> 01:04:05,600
It wasn't just me, it was Gilbert.

1358
01:04:05,600 --> 01:04:09,320
And all he kept saying is, oh, okay, yeah, yep, it's on, it's on.

1359
01:04:09,320 --> 01:04:10,320
I see what it is.

1360
01:04:10,320 --> 01:04:11,320
It's on.

1361
01:04:11,320 --> 01:04:12,320
Can't wait till tomorrow.

1362
01:04:12,320 --> 01:04:13,320
Can't wait till tomorrow.

1363
01:04:13,320 --> 01:04:17,040
And I'm like, are you really threatening me in the work group chat?

1364
01:04:17,040 --> 01:04:22,720
And he goes, you can call it whatever you want, but if you played a stupid game, now

1365
01:04:22,720 --> 01:04:24,480
you're going to get a stupid prize.

1366
01:04:24,480 --> 01:04:25,480
Yep.

1367
01:04:25,480 --> 01:04:28,320
That is something we've heard on episodes after that.

1368
01:04:28,320 --> 01:04:29,320
That is a quote they've heard.

1369
01:04:29,320 --> 01:04:33,000
I think it's exactly what plays stupid games, wins stupid prizes.

1370
01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:34,000
Yes.

1371
01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:35,560
They come, that was attack at me.

1372
01:04:35,560 --> 01:04:38,600
Every time you heard that, they're talking about me.

1373
01:04:38,600 --> 01:04:40,960
Rashad started to repeat it as well.

1374
01:04:40,960 --> 01:04:41,960
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

1375
01:04:41,960 --> 01:04:44,480
So it was like a threat to me.

1376
01:04:44,480 --> 01:04:48,840
And so when this happened, I called the producers.

1377
01:04:48,840 --> 01:04:54,240
I was crying because again, I know Brandon, I know him.

1378
01:04:54,240 --> 01:04:58,120
And without telling anything else, I felt threatened.

1379
01:04:58,120 --> 01:05:01,680
I was worried for my life.

1380
01:05:01,680 --> 01:05:05,160
I was worried that I was going to be harmed.

1381
01:05:05,160 --> 01:05:11,360
So I called the producers and I told them that I thought Brandon should be fired at

1382
01:05:11,360 --> 01:05:15,040
the very least suspended for threatening me at work.

1383
01:05:15,040 --> 01:05:17,080
What happened after that?

1384
01:05:17,080 --> 01:05:24,320
I was told by the producers that they were going to, um, I guess, suspended from the

1385
01:05:24,320 --> 01:05:25,960
next, the show the next day.

1386
01:05:25,960 --> 01:05:28,800
I said, I said, I didn't want to do the show at all.

1387
01:05:28,800 --> 01:05:30,480
I wanted to quit.

1388
01:05:30,480 --> 01:05:35,040
And Gilbert was calling me, telling me to apologize to Brandon.

1389
01:05:35,040 --> 01:05:37,600
I was like, why do I have to apologize to him?

1390
01:05:37,600 --> 01:05:44,520
He was like, because you disrespected, um, Carl Malone, who is family to him.

1391
01:05:44,520 --> 01:05:50,160
And I said, he's a pedophile and Gil's like, I know, but I had to apologize too.

1392
01:05:50,160 --> 01:05:51,160
So you just apologize.

1393
01:05:51,160 --> 01:05:52,880
I said, no, why did you apologize?

1394
01:05:52,880 --> 01:05:56,520
He goes, because I want my show because I don't want this to ruin my show.

1395
01:05:56,520 --> 01:05:57,520
I need my show.

1396
01:05:57,520 --> 01:05:58,840
So just apologize so we can move on.

1397
01:05:58,840 --> 01:05:59,840
So we can move past this.

1398
01:05:59,840 --> 01:06:02,680
I said, you want me to apologize to somebody that threatened me?

1399
01:06:02,680 --> 01:06:04,440
And he was like, yes.

1400
01:06:04,440 --> 01:06:07,400
And I said, I will not apologize.

1401
01:06:07,400 --> 01:06:10,200
He was like, well, I'm going to tell him to apologize to you too.

1402
01:06:10,200 --> 01:06:13,120
And the apology came in and had a butt in it.

1403
01:06:13,120 --> 01:06:14,760
When you apologize, you don't butt.

1404
01:06:14,760 --> 01:06:17,860
And he, and Brandon also told me I needed to apologize.

1405
01:06:17,860 --> 01:06:20,600
And I'm like, I never responded to the apology.

1406
01:06:20,600 --> 01:06:23,160
And I felt unsafe.

1407
01:06:23,160 --> 01:06:29,520
And so I told the producers, I said, if you guys have Brandon on the show with me ever

1408
01:06:29,520 --> 01:06:35,080
again, I'm going to sue you guys for unsafe, unsafe work environment because his girl comes

1409
01:06:35,080 --> 01:06:38,400
to set with him every single show.

1410
01:06:38,400 --> 01:06:40,240
She's there.

1411
01:06:40,240 --> 01:06:43,880
And you told me that she's going to be my ass.

1412
01:06:43,880 --> 01:06:47,280
And there's nothing inside of me that doesn't believe that Brandon would join into that

1413
01:06:47,280 --> 01:06:48,280
ass beating.

1414
01:06:48,280 --> 01:06:53,200
Brandon knows where I live, Brandon in my home, everything.

1415
01:06:53,200 --> 01:06:55,480
So I don't feel safe at this point.

1416
01:06:55,480 --> 01:06:56,480
I'm scared.

1417
01:06:56,480 --> 01:07:02,120
And so I sent the text message out to my family members just so people could know that this

1418
01:07:02,120 --> 01:07:04,880
man threatened me and I don't know what to do.

1419
01:07:04,880 --> 01:07:05,880
Okay.

1420
01:07:05,880 --> 01:07:11,280
So at this point now, obviously everyone cast wise is aware of the situation.

1421
01:07:11,280 --> 01:07:16,240
The people that promote the show, fund the show, underdog fantasy executives know of

1422
01:07:16,240 --> 01:07:17,240
the situation.

1423
01:07:17,240 --> 01:07:19,920
He suspended for in the chat.

1424
01:07:19,920 --> 01:07:20,920
They saw it.

1425
01:07:20,920 --> 01:07:21,920
Yeah.

1426
01:07:21,920 --> 01:07:22,920
Okay.

1427
01:07:22,920 --> 01:07:23,920
Wow.

1428
01:07:23,920 --> 01:07:26,120
So more than aware of the situation.

1429
01:07:26,120 --> 01:07:28,160
He doesn't come for one episode.

1430
01:07:28,160 --> 01:07:31,840
And then what happens in the following weeks after that?

1431
01:07:31,840 --> 01:07:34,080
So I was, I was on every other week.

1432
01:07:34,080 --> 01:07:36,600
So I would fly in two weeks out of the month.

1433
01:07:36,600 --> 01:07:39,120
So that was, so that was a Wednesday show.

1434
01:07:39,120 --> 01:07:43,880
So the next day I did the Thursday show and it was so bad.

1435
01:07:43,880 --> 01:07:47,080
It was, it was so bad, but I can't even believe we did that show.

1436
01:07:47,080 --> 01:07:51,320
Me and Gilbert got into like, we were like, they were counting us down to go live and

1437
01:07:51,320 --> 01:07:58,800
me and Gilbert were like, damn near nose to nose arguing on set to the point that he like

1438
01:07:58,800 --> 01:07:59,800
yanked his mics off.

1439
01:07:59,800 --> 01:08:00,800
He's like, I'm not doing the show today.

1440
01:08:00,800 --> 01:08:02,300
Cancel the show today.

1441
01:08:02,300 --> 01:08:05,080
Because I was saying to him that I was, I don't fuck with him.

1442
01:08:05,080 --> 01:08:06,400
I said, I don't fuck with you.

1443
01:08:06,400 --> 01:08:08,440
You're not, you're not my friend.

1444
01:08:08,440 --> 01:08:11,440
I told Josiah, I don't fuck with you either.

1445
01:08:11,440 --> 01:08:12,600
You're not my friend.

1446
01:08:12,600 --> 01:08:17,040
I told all the other black men that were in that group chat that were on set.

1447
01:08:17,040 --> 01:08:19,280
I don't fuck with none of y'all.

1448
01:08:19,280 --> 01:08:23,800
You guys saw him threaten me and you said nothing and you did nothing.

1449
01:08:23,800 --> 01:08:29,400
The reason that I'm at work is because I'm a, I'm a professional, but don't, Hey, Miko,

1450
01:08:29,400 --> 01:08:30,400
don't hug me.

1451
01:08:30,400 --> 01:08:31,400
Fuck y'all.

1452
01:08:31,400 --> 01:08:33,640
Y'all did not have my back.

1453
01:08:33,640 --> 01:08:37,120
None of y'all checked him and Gilbert just went crazy.

1454
01:08:37,120 --> 01:08:40,360
Like he was upset because I was basically saying, I'm going to do the show, but I don't

1455
01:08:40,360 --> 01:08:41,440
fuck with you.

1456
01:08:41,440 --> 01:08:43,320
But we ended up doing the show anyway.

1457
01:08:43,320 --> 01:08:44,680
Like we kind of calmed down.

1458
01:08:44,680 --> 01:08:46,520
They took five minutes.

1459
01:08:46,520 --> 01:08:49,600
We both kind of separated, calmed down and we did the show.

1460
01:08:49,600 --> 01:08:50,920
I flew back to Florida.

1461
01:08:50,920 --> 01:08:51,920
Like I always do.

1462
01:08:51,920 --> 01:08:55,000
I fly back right after the show back to Florida every week.

1463
01:08:55,000 --> 01:08:57,120
The next week comes on the shows.

1464
01:08:57,120 --> 01:09:02,440
And of course there's just constant play stupid games, win stupid prizes, only NBA players

1465
01:09:02,440 --> 01:09:03,440
on this show.

1466
01:09:03,440 --> 01:09:06,580
Only people that actually played in is something that's with the NBA.

1467
01:09:06,580 --> 01:09:07,760
Only this, only that.

1468
01:09:07,760 --> 01:09:08,760
Like just cotton.

1469
01:09:08,760 --> 01:09:11,600
I'm texting Gilbert while I'm watching the show saying, why are you letting them do this

1470
01:09:11,600 --> 01:09:12,600
to me?

1471
01:09:12,600 --> 01:09:13,880
Why are you letting him say that?

1472
01:09:13,880 --> 01:09:15,360
You know that that's a threat to me.

1473
01:09:15,360 --> 01:09:16,360
That's stupid.

1474
01:09:16,360 --> 01:09:19,600
He goes, he goes, I don't know, Miko, I'm just, I'm just not going to get into it.

1475
01:09:19,600 --> 01:09:20,600
I'm not getting in it.

1476
01:09:20,600 --> 01:09:21,600
I'm not getting in it.

1477
01:09:21,600 --> 01:09:23,720
I said, so you're just going to allow them to keep threatening me.

1478
01:09:23,720 --> 01:09:25,260
And my family's watching now.

1479
01:09:25,260 --> 01:09:28,720
So they saw the screenshots and they're like, Oh, he's still threatening you.

1480
01:09:28,720 --> 01:09:30,260
And I'm like, I know.

1481
01:09:30,260 --> 01:09:31,260
And they're not doing anything about it.

1482
01:09:31,260 --> 01:09:35,020
So my family was like, let us beat his fucking ass.

1483
01:09:35,020 --> 01:09:38,680
And I was like, no, because if you do that, it's going to act like it's going to look

1484
01:09:38,680 --> 01:09:40,740
like I asked you to do that.

1485
01:09:40,740 --> 01:09:44,900
And I didn't, I don't do not touch this man.

1486
01:09:44,900 --> 01:09:45,900
Don't touch him.

1487
01:09:45,900 --> 01:09:47,600
I'm not going to jail for nothing.

1488
01:09:47,600 --> 01:09:48,600
Y'all did to him.

1489
01:09:48,600 --> 01:09:50,320
You have a no from me.

1490
01:09:50,320 --> 01:09:56,120
I had so many of my male friends asking for my permission to beat brandy's ass.

1491
01:09:56,120 --> 01:09:59,120
And I said no every single time.

1492
01:09:59,120 --> 01:10:03,380
And then that whole week went, and then I came back for the week afterwards.

1493
01:10:03,380 --> 01:10:07,080
I did that show and that's when I kind of aired out Gilbert.

1494
01:10:07,080 --> 01:10:10,800
And I was like, you just going to let them keep disrespecting me.

1495
01:10:10,800 --> 01:10:16,720
And he did, he allowed them to proceed disrespecting me until the show ended for that season one.

1496
01:10:16,720 --> 01:10:18,760
That was the end of August.

1497
01:10:18,760 --> 01:10:19,760
Yes.

1498
01:10:19,760 --> 01:10:23,120
At any point in time, was it clear that you were leaving the show?

1499
01:10:23,120 --> 01:10:28,720
And if so, was there, or were you approached by Gil, the team, anybody for you to come

1500
01:10:28,720 --> 01:10:30,440
back to the show?

1501
01:10:30,440 --> 01:10:33,160
So the only person that I had communication with was Gilbert.

1502
01:10:33,160 --> 01:10:36,320
I didn't speak to anybody else after that.

1503
01:10:36,320 --> 01:10:39,000
And I told Gilbert that I wasn't coming back for the show.

1504
01:10:39,000 --> 01:10:40,920
And he was like, don't say that.

1505
01:10:40,920 --> 01:10:42,440
Like, no, like I need you.

1506
01:10:42,440 --> 01:10:44,240
And I said, Gil, you don't have my back.

1507
01:10:44,240 --> 01:10:45,640
I don't feel safe.

1508
01:10:45,640 --> 01:10:47,920
How weird is going to be that I can't recall with Brandon?

1509
01:10:47,920 --> 01:10:49,280
Like, that's just weird.

1510
01:10:49,280 --> 01:10:50,840
I don't even feel safe.

1511
01:10:50,840 --> 01:10:51,840
Like at all.

1512
01:10:51,840 --> 01:10:52,840
I'm scared that I'm going to come to the show.

1513
01:10:52,840 --> 01:10:57,320
I'm leaving, you know, some bitches are going to try to jump me, do anything to me.

1514
01:10:57,320 --> 01:10:58,880
And I'm not pussy or nothing like that.

1515
01:10:58,880 --> 01:11:02,880
I can fight, but I don't like I'm 48 years old.

1516
01:11:02,880 --> 01:11:09,320
Like what I look like fighting at this age, you know, over Carl Malone being a pedophile

1517
01:11:09,320 --> 01:11:10,960
was weird.

1518
01:11:10,960 --> 01:11:17,600
And so I told Gilbert, like when the very last episode aired of the season one, I texted

1519
01:11:17,600 --> 01:11:20,680
Gil and I said, you know, great season.

1520
01:11:20,680 --> 01:11:26,000
I enjoyed myself, but I think it's best that I don't come back for the show for season

1521
01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:27,000
two.

1522
01:11:27,000 --> 01:11:28,000
He called me.

1523
01:11:28,000 --> 01:11:33,800
I was on the phone for two hours of him pretty much begging me to come back and telling me

1524
01:11:33,800 --> 01:11:36,840
why I should come back and how good it's going to be.

1525
01:11:36,840 --> 01:11:38,480
And I'm going to talk to them.

1526
01:11:38,480 --> 01:11:39,480
You're not going to film with Brandon.

1527
01:11:39,480 --> 01:11:40,480
It's going to be fine.

1528
01:11:40,480 --> 01:11:43,360
He goes, you, you feel comfortable filming with McCants?

1529
01:11:43,360 --> 01:11:45,560
And I was like, yeah, he's just low IQ.

1530
01:11:45,560 --> 01:11:46,560
It's annoying.

1531
01:11:46,560 --> 01:11:48,760
He goes, he goes, Miko, we can play that up.

1532
01:11:48,760 --> 01:11:49,760
Like that's good.

1533
01:11:49,760 --> 01:11:55,400
Like you can destroy him even more because he doesn't know what he's talking about.

1534
01:11:55,400 --> 01:11:57,200
You know, like do it.

1535
01:11:57,200 --> 01:11:58,200
Like let's go.

1536
01:11:58,200 --> 01:11:59,200
It's fun.

1537
01:11:59,200 --> 01:12:00,200
It's good for ratings.

1538
01:12:00,200 --> 01:12:01,200
Like it's entertaining.

1539
01:12:01,200 --> 01:12:03,400
He goes, I promise you, Brandon's not going to do anything to you.

1540
01:12:03,400 --> 01:12:04,400
I'm not going to have him on the set.

1541
01:12:04,400 --> 01:12:07,040
I'm not going to have this girl on the set when you're there.

1542
01:12:07,040 --> 01:12:10,040
Come back to the show, please.

1543
01:12:10,040 --> 01:12:13,720
This went off for about a week of us talking and him convincing me.

1544
01:12:13,720 --> 01:12:17,160
And I said, okay, I'll do season two.

1545
01:12:17,160 --> 01:12:18,160
Let's go.

1546
01:12:18,160 --> 01:12:22,520
As long as you say you're going to have my back, I'll do it against my better judgment.

1547
01:12:22,520 --> 01:12:25,080
I said, I'll do it.

1548
01:12:25,080 --> 01:12:26,800
Fast forward to September.

1549
01:12:26,800 --> 01:12:29,360
Never sends me a screenshot.

1550
01:12:29,360 --> 01:12:32,520
The schedule for October for the show.

1551
01:12:32,520 --> 01:12:34,520
And I'm not on the schedule.

1552
01:12:34,520 --> 01:12:39,160
He says, he goes, why aren't you on the schedule for October?

1553
01:12:39,160 --> 01:12:40,160
You couldn't film in October.

1554
01:12:40,160 --> 01:12:41,160
And I was like, no.

1555
01:12:41,160 --> 01:12:42,840
He goes, why aren't you on here?

1556
01:12:42,840 --> 01:12:45,640
And I was like, I haven't even heard from anybody from the show at all.

1557
01:12:45,640 --> 01:12:48,920
No one's called me, texted me nothing since my last episode.

1558
01:12:48,920 --> 01:12:49,920
He was like, what?

1559
01:12:49,920 --> 01:12:50,920
And I'm like, yeah.

1560
01:12:50,920 --> 01:12:53,280
He goes, well, call them and see what the fuck is going on.

1561
01:12:53,280 --> 01:12:55,280
I need you on the show.

1562
01:12:55,280 --> 01:12:56,600
Okay.

1563
01:12:56,600 --> 01:12:58,280
I called him.

1564
01:12:58,280 --> 01:13:02,920
They tell me that the text that I sent Gilbert after the last episode where I said I want,

1565
01:13:02,920 --> 01:13:05,560
I don't think it's a good idea that I come back.

1566
01:13:05,560 --> 01:13:10,440
Gilbert sent them that as a screenshot and said, she's done with the show.

1567
01:13:10,440 --> 01:13:14,000
So that wouldn't be minus some of the smaller incidents.

1568
01:13:14,000 --> 01:13:19,000
This would be this second huge burn by Gilbert arenas.

1569
01:13:19,000 --> 01:13:20,000
Yes.

1570
01:13:20,000 --> 01:13:22,960
So I was like, there was like, I said, he texted you.

1571
01:13:22,960 --> 01:13:26,160
I said, did he tell you that he called me for like a week and begged me to stay?

1572
01:13:26,160 --> 01:13:31,560
And they were like, no, he's never mentioned you since that, since that text.

1573
01:13:31,560 --> 01:13:35,040
And I'm like, so why did he ask me to call you guys and see why I'm not on the show?

1574
01:13:35,040 --> 01:13:37,120
And they were like, that's what we're trying to figure out.

1575
01:13:37,120 --> 01:13:38,120
We thought you quit.

1576
01:13:38,120 --> 01:13:39,120
We loved you on the show.

1577
01:13:39,120 --> 01:13:40,600
Like we think you're amazing.

1578
01:13:40,600 --> 01:13:45,720
Like, like some of the shows you were on with highest rated, you have our number one, the,

1579
01:13:45,720 --> 01:13:49,920
the, the show about Anthony Davis, the viral clip that I said about him.

1580
01:13:49,920 --> 01:13:53,840
They were like, that's our number one, like as far as like views, everything we want you

1581
01:13:53,840 --> 01:13:54,840
back in the show.

1582
01:13:54,840 --> 01:13:56,560
Gilbert said that you don't want to be on the show.

1583
01:13:56,560 --> 01:13:59,280
So we didn't put you on the schedule and also they were like, do you want to be on the show?

1584
01:13:59,280 --> 01:14:00,280
And I was like, yeah.

1585
01:14:00,280 --> 01:14:01,280
Like he talked me into it.

1586
01:14:01,280 --> 01:14:04,600
So long as I don't recall with Brandon, I'm fine.

1587
01:14:04,600 --> 01:14:06,280
And they were like, okay, well shit.

1588
01:14:06,280 --> 01:14:10,320
Well, October's already set, but we're going to have you on in November.

1589
01:14:10,320 --> 01:14:13,200
And I'm like, okay, cool.

1590
01:14:13,200 --> 01:14:14,200
Moved on.

1591
01:14:14,200 --> 01:14:15,200
I called Gilbert.

1592
01:14:15,200 --> 01:14:18,480
I said, why did you send them the screenshot of me saying I quit the show, but then you

1593
01:14:18,480 --> 01:14:22,500
didn't follow up and tell them how for a week that you talked to me out of it.

1594
01:14:22,500 --> 01:14:26,800
And he was like, Oh, is that why you're not on the schedule?

1595
01:14:26,800 --> 01:14:29,520
And I'm like, duh, Gilbert, like what the fuck?

1596
01:14:29,520 --> 01:14:31,480
And he was like, Oh, that's my bad.

1597
01:14:31,480 --> 01:14:33,120
Yeah, I should have told them.

1598
01:14:33,120 --> 01:14:34,680
But they know now that you want to be on the show, right?

1599
01:14:34,680 --> 01:14:37,840
And I was like, yeah, they know now that I'm going to be on in November.

1600
01:14:37,840 --> 01:14:40,280
He was like, okay, cool.

1601
01:14:40,280 --> 01:14:42,120
So I'm watching the show October.

1602
01:14:42,120 --> 01:14:44,200
I'm in the chat.

1603
01:14:44,200 --> 01:14:45,200
Everybody's like, where's Miko?

1604
01:14:45,200 --> 01:14:46,200
Why isn't Miko being on?

1605
01:14:46,200 --> 01:14:49,520
Like this constant Miko, Miko, Miko, Miko.

1606
01:14:49,520 --> 01:14:51,920
And I'm texting Gilbert during the show.

1607
01:14:51,920 --> 01:14:56,320
I'm like, yo, why don't you just say that I'm going to be on in November?

1608
01:14:56,320 --> 01:14:57,960
And then the show's over.

1609
01:14:57,960 --> 01:15:00,880
And I'm like, why haven't you said I'm going to be on in November?

1610
01:15:00,880 --> 01:15:02,400
Every week I'm like, why haven't you?

1611
01:15:02,400 --> 01:15:03,400
Do you see the chat?

1612
01:15:03,400 --> 01:15:07,080
Do you see I'm sending him screenshots of my social media?

1613
01:15:07,080 --> 01:15:08,080
Everyone constantly harassing me.

1614
01:15:08,080 --> 01:15:09,080
When are you going to be on?

1615
01:15:09,080 --> 01:15:10,080
When you I'm like top of November.

1616
01:15:10,080 --> 01:15:11,080
He was like, Oh, they'll figure it out.

1617
01:15:11,080 --> 01:15:14,360
We'll let it be a surprise when you come on.

1618
01:15:14,360 --> 01:15:16,600
You know, let's leave them in suspense.

1619
01:15:16,600 --> 01:15:18,360
I'm like, okay, cool.

1620
01:15:18,360 --> 01:15:22,120
So the whole month of October happens and then November comes.

1621
01:15:22,120 --> 01:15:24,200
I'm not on the schedule again.

1622
01:15:24,200 --> 01:15:25,320
I call them.

1623
01:15:25,320 --> 01:15:28,400
I'm like, Oh, I'm not on the schedule for November.

1624
01:15:28,400 --> 01:15:29,400
What's up?

1625
01:15:29,400 --> 01:15:35,760
And they're like, Oh, well, we didn't have the budget to fly you out.

1626
01:15:35,760 --> 01:15:36,760
It's interesting.

1627
01:15:36,760 --> 01:15:38,560
For November.

1628
01:15:38,560 --> 01:15:41,440
So we're looking at December.

1629
01:15:41,440 --> 01:15:45,400
So I'm like, okay, that's stupid.

1630
01:15:45,400 --> 01:15:49,680
Cause you haven't even talked to me about budget at all.

1631
01:15:49,680 --> 01:15:54,240
I haven't even been paid for season one.

1632
01:15:54,240 --> 01:15:55,240
That's my fault.

1633
01:15:55,240 --> 01:15:56,760
Cause I didn't even turn the paperwork.

1634
01:15:56,760 --> 01:15:59,000
Like I said, I do this for free.

1635
01:15:59,000 --> 01:16:02,280
I would do this show for free.

1636
01:16:02,280 --> 01:16:04,720
I hadn't turned any paperwork to be paid yet.

1637
01:16:04,720 --> 01:16:08,020
I just did it last week.

1638
01:16:08,020 --> 01:16:11,640
So I was like, you haven't even asked me what I would want to be on the show.

1639
01:16:11,640 --> 01:16:14,520
Why wouldn't, why, like, why are you saying budget?

1640
01:16:14,520 --> 01:16:16,680
That's a lot.

1641
01:16:16,680 --> 01:16:18,280
We know it has nothing to do with budget.

1642
01:16:18,280 --> 01:16:21,200
They're giving away a hundred thousand dollars for a shootout.

1643
01:16:21,200 --> 01:16:26,320
So fast forward, I hit up the other producer and I said to him, cause the guy who told

1644
01:16:26,320 --> 01:16:30,320
me about the budget, I was like, why haven't anyone discussed money with me?

1645
01:16:30,320 --> 01:16:31,480
He goes, we'll talk to them about it.

1646
01:16:31,480 --> 01:16:35,360
So I hit the money guy up and he never responded to me.

1647
01:16:35,360 --> 01:16:38,160
About three days later, he sent me an email.

1648
01:16:38,160 --> 01:16:39,160
I want to read the email.

1649
01:16:39,160 --> 01:16:40,160
Yeah, by all means.

1650
01:16:40,160 --> 01:16:46,120
It says, hi, Miko got your texts the other day and thought this will be easier to break

1651
01:16:46,120 --> 01:16:47,720
down in an email.

1652
01:16:47,720 --> 01:16:51,800
As you know, our schedule for the rest of 2023 is already locked.

1653
01:16:51,800 --> 01:16:56,960
Didn't know that what's changed is that a month into this season, we're really happy

1654
01:16:56,960 --> 01:17:01,720
with the dynamic of the current cast and don't envision bringing you back on a full time

1655
01:17:01,720 --> 01:17:02,720
basis.

1656
01:17:02,720 --> 01:17:08,720
This show was always supposed to be former pros and we really liked the mix we have now.

1657
01:17:08,720 --> 01:17:14,320
That being said, we are looking for other opportunities to involve you in our content.

1658
01:17:14,320 --> 01:17:20,040
We're starting to kick off discussions regarding touring, performing live venues, blah, blah,

1659
01:17:20,040 --> 01:17:21,040
blah.

1660
01:17:21,040 --> 01:17:24,080
And Gill and I talked about you being a part of that cast this week.

1661
01:17:24,080 --> 01:17:29,260
In short, we'd like to find a way to work together in the future, but don't have anything

1662
01:17:29,260 --> 01:17:30,260
firm yet.

1663
01:17:30,260 --> 01:17:32,640
We'll be in touch when we do.

1664
01:17:32,640 --> 01:17:35,600
I responded, Hey Tim, thanks for the email.

1665
01:17:35,600 --> 01:17:40,280
I get the part about you guys liking the new dynamic, but now I'm not a former pro.

1666
01:17:40,280 --> 01:17:41,280
Ouch.

1667
01:17:41,280 --> 01:17:46,580
I'm going to let my followers know I won't be back on the show now since it's official.

1668
01:17:46,580 --> 01:17:49,280
That was November 4th.

1669
01:17:49,280 --> 01:17:51,320
Okay.

1670
01:17:51,320 --> 01:17:56,480
I sent that screenshot to Gill and Gill was like, what the fuck is this?

1671
01:17:56,480 --> 01:17:57,480
What are they talking about?

1672
01:17:57,480 --> 01:17:58,480
You're not going to be on the show anymore.

1673
01:17:58,480 --> 01:18:01,920
I said, Gil, why are you acting like you don't know this?

1674
01:18:01,920 --> 01:18:03,760
And he's like, I didn't know that.

1675
01:18:03,760 --> 01:18:05,880
I didn't know they weren't going to have you back on the show.

1676
01:18:05,880 --> 01:18:07,480
I didn't know any of this.

1677
01:18:07,480 --> 01:18:08,480
Okay, Gill, whatever.

1678
01:18:08,480 --> 01:18:09,840
And you're full of shit.

1679
01:18:09,840 --> 01:18:13,280
I've been, I said, it makes sense now why you would never say that I'm going to be back

1680
01:18:13,280 --> 01:18:14,640
on in November.

1681
01:18:14,640 --> 01:18:15,640
It all makes sense.

1682
01:18:15,640 --> 01:18:18,200
Why my name hasn't been mentioned or anything.

1683
01:18:18,200 --> 01:18:19,200
Right?

1684
01:18:19,200 --> 01:18:20,200
I said, but you know what?

1685
01:18:20,200 --> 01:18:21,200
Fuck it.

1686
01:18:21,200 --> 01:18:22,200
I'm moving on.

1687
01:18:22,200 --> 01:18:24,360
He goes, well, I'm just going to help you with your podcast.

1688
01:18:24,360 --> 01:18:26,680
I'm going to teach you how to grow your followers.

1689
01:18:26,680 --> 01:18:29,120
I'm going to teach you how to, you need to go live more on your YouTube.

1690
01:18:29,120 --> 01:18:30,120
You need to do this.

1691
01:18:30,120 --> 01:18:31,120
You need to do that.

1692
01:18:31,120 --> 01:18:33,620
Like I want to help you build up your podcast.

1693
01:18:33,620 --> 01:18:35,160
And I was like, okay, that's fine.

1694
01:18:35,160 --> 01:18:36,680
I appreciate you helping.

1695
01:18:36,680 --> 01:18:39,080
I move on.

1696
01:18:39,080 --> 01:18:46,640
Then the 100th episode takes place and I didn't watch the episode, but soon as I opened the

1697
01:18:46,640 --> 01:18:51,520
app, my phone is blowing up with people saying how disrespectful they were to me.

1698
01:18:51,520 --> 01:18:52,960
And I'm like, what the fuck did they do?

1699
01:18:52,960 --> 01:18:54,220
What was disrespectful?

1700
01:18:54,220 --> 01:18:55,220
You know?

1701
01:18:55,220 --> 01:19:00,080
And so my friends watched it and they were like, they did a montage, a whole sizzle reel

1702
01:19:00,080 --> 01:19:02,880
of, of all the 100 episodes.

1703
01:19:02,880 --> 01:19:04,360
Did you guys see it?

1704
01:19:04,360 --> 01:19:05,360
I did.

1705
01:19:05,360 --> 01:19:06,360
Yes.

1706
01:19:06,360 --> 01:19:07,360
Yeah.

1707
01:19:07,360 --> 01:19:08,360
I still haven't seen it.

1708
01:19:08,360 --> 01:19:14,200
I don't even, I'd never tuned, tuned in to the show after all this shit was going on.

1709
01:19:14,200 --> 01:19:17,920
And um, I wasn't in the sizzle at all.

1710
01:19:17,920 --> 01:19:21,440
There was not, I was told that I not even a picture.

1711
01:19:21,440 --> 01:19:23,680
It was almost like I didn't even exist on the show.

1712
01:19:23,680 --> 01:19:24,680
Would that be correct?

1713
01:19:24,680 --> 01:19:25,680
That's correct.

1714
01:19:25,680 --> 01:19:26,680
Yes.

1715
01:19:26,680 --> 01:19:32,440
That pissed me off because now you're trying to embrace my existence of it all.

1716
01:19:32,440 --> 01:19:38,960
And it also just makes me feel even more like, you know, they just basically had no intentions

1717
01:19:38,960 --> 01:19:43,020
of ever having me back on the show and they just didn't have the balls to say it.

1718
01:19:43,020 --> 01:19:49,240
So I sent a screenshot to the, I made a group chat with the producers and Gil and I said,

1719
01:19:49,240 --> 01:19:54,960
you guys hate me and no one responded to the, the, the texts.

1720
01:19:54,960 --> 01:19:58,000
And so Gil texts me separately and said, they're not going to respond.

1721
01:19:58,000 --> 01:19:59,000
You know, it's legal.

1722
01:19:59,000 --> 01:20:00,120
And I was like, what do you mean it's legal?

1723
01:20:00,120 --> 01:20:04,400
He goes, once you threatened to call your lawyer, when Brandon threatened you, they

1724
01:20:04,400 --> 01:20:07,440
were never going to have you on the show again.

1725
01:20:07,440 --> 01:20:10,960
And I said, so why didn't you tell me that Gil?

1726
01:20:10,960 --> 01:20:13,920
He goes, I just found out yesterday, which was a Wednesday.

1727
01:20:13,920 --> 01:20:15,480
And I was like, you're full of shit.

1728
01:20:15,480 --> 01:20:17,000
You knew this the whole time.

1729
01:20:17,000 --> 01:20:21,400
My lawyer told me this, you know, that they were going to do this, but she's all just

1730
01:20:21,400 --> 01:20:22,400
see what happens.

1731
01:20:22,400 --> 01:20:23,400
You know?

1732
01:20:23,400 --> 01:20:27,360
And I said, the fact that I thought you were my friend and that you would tell me like,

1733
01:20:27,360 --> 01:20:28,840
why would you let them egg me on?

1734
01:20:28,840 --> 01:20:33,120
Why would you let me, why would you encourage me to continue supporting the show, posting

1735
01:20:33,120 --> 01:20:36,320
it like doing all the shit I'm doing, knowing that I wasn't going to be on the show.

1736
01:20:36,320 --> 01:20:37,320
He's like, it's your fault.

1737
01:20:37,320 --> 01:20:38,320
You shouldn't have brought up a lawyer.

1738
01:20:38,320 --> 01:20:40,120
You should have just let it go.

1739
01:20:40,120 --> 01:20:41,760
You should have just got over it.

1740
01:20:41,760 --> 01:20:43,040
You caused it.

1741
01:20:43,040 --> 01:20:44,040
And there's more.

1742
01:20:44,040 --> 01:20:47,720
I sent you the screenshots, Darion of what took place.

1743
01:20:47,720 --> 01:20:54,480
He just completely disrespected me, like talk shit, telling me all this shit about, oh,

1744
01:20:54,480 --> 01:20:56,300
you know, it's your fault.

1745
01:20:56,300 --> 01:21:02,120
You know, you attack, you attack Rashad McCamp constantly and now you want to play the victim.

1746
01:21:02,120 --> 01:21:04,760
This has nothing to do with Rashad McCamp.

1747
01:21:04,760 --> 01:21:09,520
This has everything to do with Brandon threatening me and them not doing anything about it.

1748
01:21:09,520 --> 01:21:15,440
And them telling me that they couldn't fire Brandon because they had a Steph Curry interview

1749
01:21:15,440 --> 01:21:17,400
coming up that they really needed.

1750
01:21:17,400 --> 01:21:21,320
And Brandon had locked in the interview and they really needed that interview with Steph

1751
01:21:21,320 --> 01:21:22,400
Curry.

1752
01:21:22,400 --> 01:21:25,840
So they couldn't fire him, but told me this was a strike against him.

1753
01:21:25,840 --> 01:21:26,840
We're going to reprimand him.

1754
01:21:26,840 --> 01:21:29,840
We're going to tell him that if he does anything like this again, he's fired.

1755
01:21:29,840 --> 01:21:32,080
The same thing they said they told Rashad McCamp.

1756
01:21:32,080 --> 01:21:35,280
If he disrespected me anymore, he was going to get fired.

1757
01:21:35,280 --> 01:21:39,480
And I said to the producers, I said, you know, if you allow people to continue to disrespect

1758
01:21:39,480 --> 01:21:42,920
someone and you do nothing about it, you know it continues, right?

1759
01:21:42,920 --> 01:21:45,320
It just continues.

1760
01:21:45,320 --> 01:21:48,960
And so I was so upset with Gil and I was like, you're so full of shit.

1761
01:21:48,960 --> 01:21:52,320
Like you're trying to tell me they told you on Wednesday that I was never going to be

1762
01:21:52,320 --> 01:21:53,440
back on the show.

1763
01:21:53,440 --> 01:21:58,640
But then what I find out afterwards is people told me that he said on the show on the hundredth

1764
01:21:58,640 --> 01:22:05,120
episode, we're trying to, we're trying to find some, we're going to have Miko on season

1765
01:22:05,120 --> 01:22:08,840
two sometime, you know, this, this season or some shit like that.

1766
01:22:08,840 --> 01:22:11,720
He said, I don't remember exactly what was told.

1767
01:22:11,720 --> 01:22:15,960
Why would you say that when the day before they told you I was never going to be on the

1768
01:22:15,960 --> 01:22:16,960
show again?

1769
01:22:16,960 --> 01:22:20,400
Why would you say that on the, on the show?

1770
01:22:20,400 --> 01:22:22,400
You're trying to cover your own ass.

1771
01:22:22,400 --> 01:22:23,920
Yeah.

1772
01:22:23,920 --> 01:22:24,920
It certainly sounds like that.

1773
01:22:24,920 --> 01:22:29,280
I want to pose a question from my side and you know how I feel about the situation with

1774
01:22:29,280 --> 01:22:30,280
you.

1775
01:22:30,280 --> 01:22:31,280
I want to play devil's advocate though.

1776
01:22:31,280 --> 01:22:37,280
Do you think it's possible that this is more a testament to the producers and them not

1777
01:22:37,280 --> 01:22:42,080
wanting you on the show and Gilbert still trying to find a way to fix it for you on

1778
01:22:42,080 --> 01:22:46,320
the behalf or do you solely still believe that it is, you know, Gilbert fucked up this

1779
01:22:46,320 --> 01:22:47,600
whole situation?

1780
01:22:47,600 --> 01:22:53,480
I think that Gilbert found out that I was not going to be on the show anymore in September

1781
01:22:53,480 --> 01:22:59,360
when he sent me that screenshot of the, of the, of the schedule.

1782
01:22:59,360 --> 01:23:06,000
I believe that's when they told him in September and they probably told him, don't tell her

1783
01:23:06,000 --> 01:23:08,520
that she's like, I'm fired basically.

1784
01:23:08,520 --> 01:23:11,200
Because when I said I didn't want to be on the show anymore, I didn't quit.

1785
01:23:11,200 --> 01:23:14,200
I just told that to Gilbert and then he talked me out of it.

1786
01:23:14,200 --> 01:23:15,560
And then I said, okay.

1787
01:23:15,560 --> 01:23:19,080
And I think that they were probably like, why did you talk her into being back on the

1788
01:23:19,080 --> 01:23:20,080
show?

1789
01:23:20,080 --> 01:23:21,400
We don't want her back anymore.

1790
01:23:21,400 --> 01:23:25,320
And then he was kind of in a situation where he kind of had to play the game.

1791
01:23:25,320 --> 01:23:26,320
Gotcha.

1792
01:23:26,320 --> 01:23:27,320
Yeah.

1793
01:23:27,320 --> 01:23:29,360
And they certainly can't excuse the behavior on in that aspect.

1794
01:23:29,360 --> 01:23:35,640
I haven't been back here since the show because I don't trust Brandon.

1795
01:23:35,640 --> 01:23:39,540
I come here by myself.

1796
01:23:39,540 --> 01:23:43,440
So I'm always scared that when I come back in town, he knows my house.

1797
01:23:43,440 --> 01:23:44,800
He knows a layout of my house.

1798
01:23:44,800 --> 01:23:46,080
He spent the night at my house.

1799
01:23:46,080 --> 01:23:47,940
He spent a lot of time here.

1800
01:23:47,940 --> 01:23:52,200
So I'm always afraid that when I come here, that something's going to happen to me, that

1801
01:23:52,200 --> 01:23:57,040
somebody's going to harm me to the point that I asked Gilbert to help me with purchasing

1802
01:23:57,040 --> 01:23:58,040
a gun.

1803
01:23:58,040 --> 01:23:59,040
And he did.

1804
01:23:59,040 --> 01:24:02,960
Have you, um, Brandon had any, like any conversation or anything at all?

1805
01:24:02,960 --> 01:24:05,640
Or has it just been completely silent?

1806
01:24:05,640 --> 01:24:06,640
Silent.

1807
01:24:06,640 --> 01:24:07,640
Nothing.

1808
01:24:07,640 --> 01:24:13,880
One thing I do want to circle back to real quick is, um, how Gilbert said that he loved

1809
01:24:13,880 --> 01:24:15,800
what you brought to the show initially.

1810
01:24:15,800 --> 01:24:18,680
Bring that sex appeal, bring that knowledge.

1811
01:24:18,680 --> 01:24:25,260
I know we recently saw a comment page that said she only really add sex appeal.

1812
01:24:25,260 --> 01:24:28,600
She's speaking down on McCants, then wants to play victim.

1813
01:24:28,600 --> 01:24:29,600
Fuck out of here.

1814
01:24:29,600 --> 01:24:33,480
Gilbert then responds with a comment and agreement.

1815
01:24:33,480 --> 01:24:37,800
How does it make you feel when you were told initially, this is what you should bring,

1816
01:24:37,800 --> 01:24:38,840
be you.

1817
01:24:38,840 --> 01:24:43,760
And that was approved of now in hindsight to see it as a knock on who you are.

1818
01:24:43,760 --> 01:24:48,080
It just validates to me that Gilbert was not my friend.

1819
01:24:48,080 --> 01:24:51,320
Like he's not somebody that I should have called a friend.

1820
01:24:51,320 --> 01:24:56,040
It validates the things that I thought about him, which is he would do anything for clout.

1821
01:24:56,040 --> 01:24:58,440
He would do anything for attention.

1822
01:24:58,440 --> 01:24:59,680
He loves his show.

1823
01:24:59,680 --> 01:25:01,320
He wants his show to be number one.

1824
01:25:01,320 --> 01:25:05,800
And I wanted his show to be number one, but not at the expense of other people.

1825
01:25:05,800 --> 01:25:12,840
And that's the part that hurts my heart genuinely, because I'm now learning once again that these

1826
01:25:12,840 --> 01:25:18,280
men in these spaces and this sports space, they will do anything for whatever it is that

1827
01:25:18,280 --> 01:25:19,280
they want.

1828
01:25:19,280 --> 01:25:21,080
They don't give a shit about you.

1829
01:25:21,080 --> 01:25:25,400
He doesn't care about me at all for you to go in there and like that comment for you

1830
01:25:25,400 --> 01:25:31,960
to be on social media, like agreeing with people saying that it's the reason I'm not

1831
01:25:31,960 --> 01:25:34,120
on the show is McCants.

1832
01:25:34,120 --> 01:25:35,200
Why are you doing that?

1833
01:25:35,200 --> 01:25:37,320
You know, it has nothing to do with this man.

1834
01:25:37,320 --> 01:25:38,720
No, I don't like McCants.

1835
01:25:38,720 --> 01:25:41,840
No, I don't think he belongs on the show.

1836
01:25:41,840 --> 01:25:45,720
But he has nothing to do with why I'm not on this show.

1837
01:25:45,720 --> 01:25:51,680
And you're perpetuating that lie with the viewers because you're not man enough to say

1838
01:25:51,680 --> 01:25:55,720
the real reason she's not on this show is because she was threatened.

1839
01:25:55,720 --> 01:25:56,720
Now I got to do it.

1840
01:25:56,720 --> 01:26:03,360
Now I the pussy, the only pussy on the show has to have the biggest dick in the room and

1841
01:26:03,360 --> 01:26:07,320
do this interview with you and tell everybody what really happened.

1842
01:26:07,320 --> 01:26:09,840
Oh, that's a title.

1843
01:26:09,840 --> 01:26:12,040
That's tough.

1844
01:26:12,040 --> 01:26:14,000
Go, Granz.

1845
01:26:14,000 --> 01:26:16,520
Nico, where do you go from here?

1846
01:26:16,520 --> 01:26:19,720
Well, I'm back writing my script.

1847
01:26:19,720 --> 01:26:21,360
Oh, it's not just a short film.

1848
01:26:21,360 --> 01:26:23,040
It's a TV series.

1849
01:26:23,040 --> 01:26:27,520
As I said, I don't know what I'm doing, but I'm learning how to write a TV series.

1850
01:26:27,520 --> 01:26:30,280
That's what I was doing before I started this show.

1851
01:26:30,280 --> 01:26:35,600
And I put all that aside because when you're doing sports journalism, you can't just sit

1852
01:26:35,600 --> 01:26:37,120
on a couch and give your opinion.

1853
01:26:37,120 --> 01:26:38,120
You have to be watching.

1854
01:26:38,120 --> 01:26:39,120
You have to be involved.

1855
01:26:39,120 --> 01:26:43,280
You have to I don't speak on things unless I watch it, unless I see it.

1856
01:26:43,280 --> 01:26:44,320
I've done research.

1857
01:26:44,320 --> 01:26:47,640
So I had to make sure that I was on top of my shit.

1858
01:26:47,640 --> 01:26:50,320
So all I've been really doing is sports stuff.

1859
01:26:50,320 --> 01:26:53,920
Like those two and a half years I took off from sports, I was watching as a fan.

1860
01:26:53,920 --> 01:26:54,920
If I watched, I watched.

1861
01:26:54,920 --> 01:26:56,600
If I didn't, I didn't.

1862
01:26:56,600 --> 01:27:00,040
I didn't care, but I had to go back and watch all kinds of shit.

1863
01:27:00,040 --> 01:27:05,160
I was researching and doing all this homework to make sure every week my opinion was backed

1864
01:27:05,160 --> 01:27:06,440
up with facts.

1865
01:27:06,440 --> 01:27:09,760
And so now I'm back writing my TV series.

1866
01:27:09,760 --> 01:27:11,040
How is a TV series?

1867
01:27:11,040 --> 01:27:14,480
I am on episode five of it.

1868
01:27:14,480 --> 01:27:16,240
I'm getting ready to shoot it.

1869
01:27:16,240 --> 01:27:19,720
I'm going to shoot the first four episodes and put that out because everybody seems to

1870
01:27:19,720 --> 01:27:21,000
love the short film.

1871
01:27:21,000 --> 01:27:22,240
And they're like, what happened next?

1872
01:27:22,240 --> 01:27:23,240
What happened next?

1873
01:27:23,240 --> 01:27:25,000
It ended on a cliffhanger.

1874
01:27:25,000 --> 01:27:27,440
And so I'm just back writing my short film.

1875
01:27:27,440 --> 01:27:28,440
Like that's what I'm doing.

1876
01:27:28,440 --> 01:27:33,440
I'm back in the TV and film industry where nobody knows me and I can just kind of, you

1877
01:27:33,440 --> 01:27:37,800
know, get my writing off and have some fun in another industry.

1878
01:27:37,800 --> 01:27:38,800
That's what I'm doing.

1879
01:27:38,800 --> 01:27:39,800
I'm taking care of my son.

1880
01:27:39,800 --> 01:27:41,760
You know, he's in attendance Academy.

1881
01:27:41,760 --> 01:27:45,760
I'm just kind of helping him navigate that new transition for him.

1882
01:27:45,760 --> 01:27:48,240
And I'm just having fun and living my life.

1883
01:27:48,240 --> 01:27:52,560
And I have to, you know, I hadn't been back to LA and everybody's like, why aren't you

1884
01:27:52,560 --> 01:27:53,560
back in LA?

1885
01:27:53,560 --> 01:27:55,000
And now I'm just like, fuck Brandon.

1886
01:27:55,000 --> 01:27:56,000
Like I'm coming to LA.

1887
01:27:56,000 --> 01:27:58,200
I'm not going to be scared of him.

1888
01:27:58,200 --> 01:28:02,680
I'm not, I'm not going to let him punk me out of my own fucking city.

1889
01:28:02,680 --> 01:28:06,880
I have people here that will have my back, that will support me when I go places.

1890
01:28:06,880 --> 01:28:08,760
Because like I said, I don't trust him.

1891
01:28:08,760 --> 01:28:10,280
He's shy, he is fuck.

1892
01:28:10,280 --> 01:28:12,640
And I feel like he might harm me.

1893
01:28:12,640 --> 01:28:15,960
Well, hopefully that's not the answer at all.

1894
01:28:15,960 --> 01:28:21,800
But do you think there's ever a chance that you go back to the industry or you're just

1895
01:28:21,800 --> 01:28:23,280
doing film for now?

1896
01:28:23,280 --> 01:28:27,280
Since this happened and I'm not on the show, I've had a lot of people reach out to me about,

1897
01:28:27,280 --> 01:28:32,640
you know, continuing this sports journalism job.

1898
01:28:32,640 --> 01:28:35,840
And I just kind of told everybody, told people like, I'm not sure.

1899
01:28:35,840 --> 01:28:38,880
I'm not even sure if I'm going to finish my podcast, if I'm going to still do it.

1900
01:28:38,880 --> 01:28:41,640
My son is trying to talk me into keep doing it.

1901
01:28:41,640 --> 01:28:43,360
But it's just like, I'm just tired.

1902
01:28:43,360 --> 01:28:48,520
I'm just so tired of, of being great at something and being disrespected.

1903
01:28:48,520 --> 01:28:53,040
Every time I reach a certain point, there's something that knocks me back down.

1904
01:28:53,040 --> 01:28:56,280
Like it's just, it's exhausting and I'm just really tired of it.

1905
01:28:56,280 --> 01:28:58,580
And it's something that I truly love to do.

1906
01:28:58,580 --> 01:29:00,600
Like I said, I would do it for free.

1907
01:29:00,600 --> 01:29:02,960
I would love to do another sports show.

1908
01:29:02,960 --> 01:29:10,160
But when I tell you this shit would have to be so right, it would have to be so real.

1909
01:29:10,160 --> 01:29:14,200
I would really have to respect the people that I'm doing it with.

1910
01:29:14,200 --> 01:29:16,960
That's the only way it would ever happen again.

1911
01:29:16,960 --> 01:29:17,960
I agree.

1912
01:29:17,960 --> 01:29:18,960
I agree.

1913
01:29:18,960 --> 01:29:21,600
And that's why I'm, look, man, this is why I'm trying to get all my ducks in a line and

1914
01:29:21,600 --> 01:29:25,680
then, you know, cause I could be the right guy.

1915
01:29:25,680 --> 01:29:27,560
We could be the right team, but we'll see how it goes in the future.

1916
01:29:27,560 --> 01:29:30,920
Like I said, I pitched you that and we'll see, we'll see.

1917
01:29:30,920 --> 01:29:33,400
Go ahead and talk to everybody on here real quick.

1918
01:29:33,400 --> 01:29:35,840
Anything left that you want to say?

1919
01:29:35,840 --> 01:29:41,320
I first want to, I want to thank everybody that has supported me.

1920
01:29:41,320 --> 01:29:46,680
You know, I do get a lot of hate in this industry, but a lot of you love me.

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You support me.

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You have my back.

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And I just want to thank everybody that's allowed me to be myself and still supported

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me and love me.

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You don't have to agree with everything I say to support me.

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You know?

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And so I want to thank those people.

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I want to thank my family.

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I want to thank my friends that want to beat Brandon up for me.

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And I want to thank you guys for not beating him up because I do feel like that's going

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to just cause me more drama and everything.

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And I just want to tell everybody that if you have people like me who stand on shit,

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who stand on what they believe in, support them.

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Don't support the clowns.

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Don't support the fucking losers, the people that are treating people badly.

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Who gives a fuck who they are, famous or not.

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Support people that are doing things that you like.

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If your friends have a podcast, if your friends have a business and it's a good business,

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support them.

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You don't always have to support the famous people.

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They have enough people following them.

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Support your people, people that are trying to get their shit off the ground.

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Look out for them.

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Those are people that are going to appreciate it more than these people that will never

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even know you exist.

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I love that.

1947
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I'm going to let you close this out.

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Peace.