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finishes and factions does backlash 2025 and
I would love to sit here and say that it was
one of the best PLEs I'll probably ever see in
my life, but honestly just felt me feeling a
little bit underwhelmed. But we're going to talk
about it anyway. So my name's Adam and the interrupting
jerkwad that is Rich is here as well. Hi there,
Rich. I was going to say, first of all, the one
match I was looking forward to in this PLE. wasn't
even part of this PLE. It's been pushed to Saturday
night main event. So that is where it is. So
the match I'm talking about was Jey Uso versus
Logan Paul for the world heavyweight title. That
was pushed back to the Saturday night main event
after the Logan Paul attacked Jey Uso after the
end of Monday Night Raw. So I think Uso, I think
the fucking useless twat from youtube might have
injured our world heavyweight champion why doesn't
that shock me right i'm glad we found out what
happened with that match because i remember talking
to you before we recorded and been like i swear
jay user was supposed to have a match at fucking
backlash what the fuck happened yeah we both
had that conversation and yeah i finally did
some research and i worked out where it's gone
C 'est la vie, we've got what we got, and I suppose
the first thing we got was the Fatal Four Way
for the United States Championship. Right, and
this was one of the matches that I thought was
going to be an absolute barnstormer. It was going
to really set the tone for the pay -per -view,
and it did. It was lackluster. It was... Pretty
much like a singles match between Fatu and LA
Knight. Because Priest and McIntyre are off playing
with themselves in the crowd doing other things.
Yeah, it just did not feel like an opening match
to a PLE should. We've seen better matches on
SmackDown and NXT this week. It's very much the
same with all of these matches so I'm gonna get
this rant out the way soon straight from the
offset Yep, this PLE is way too fucking early
Yes, they should put it probably given it another
week Possibly two and then move money in the
bank like forward to back two weeks Made the
the gap between some of the other pay -per -views
a little bit short Maybe the build -up to summer
slams because they're longer storylines. They
can get away with doing it that way But yeah,
it was it was enough We were two were two weeks
removed from the show of shows which in itself
was relatively disappointing And then we've come
into backlash which sort of followed the same
sort of suit and The worst thing about it was
was that this is not the performers fault This
is all down to some Muppet in an office that
has never set foot in a wrestling ring He goes,
oh, that'll be a good idea. Yeah, we'll do that
One of Vince's yes men that hasn't been fired
yet. Where's John Lauren Itis? subject to a booking
decision, a bunch of booking decisions, which
these superstars had to try and make the best
out of. I will be honest, the best match I thought
was the end match, and it was only because of
the sheer nostalgia of it that carried it through,
in my opinion. I'll give you that. Yeah, the
first match I didn't think much of. One of the
major sort of talking points of the first match,
which was Jacob Fatu, LA Knight, Damian Priest
and Drew McIncryer. Was that we got the debut
of Jeff Cobb. Who Michael Cole described as the
biggest name in free agency. But that seems to
be a phrase that everyone uses about unsigned
wrestlers at the moment. Because I'm pretty sure
Ricky Saints was there. hottest free agent and
he's just been a pile of shite on NXT. And I'm
gonna be honest, I didn't think much of Jeff
Cobb's debut either. Not for a run in, I will
admit. So for those of you who haven't seen it,
there is a little section where LA Knight has
got Jacob Fatu on the announce table. He's going
for an elbow drop off the turnbuckle and Sola
Sokova pulls Jacob Fatu off the announce table,
leaving LA Knight looking very pissed off. So
he goes down to have a word with Solos of Cover
and Jeff cobbles him over the barricade and then
jumps in, throws him around a little bit. You
don't see any, he threw him into the ring a few
times, into the ring post and did a cross body
against his back towards the ring post. And then
just kind of threw him in. back for Fatou to
deal with. We didn't really see anything impressive.
Nothing about this made me go, oh, can't wait
to see what Jeff Cobb does next week. And in
fairness, I've spent some time watching some
of his matches on the Indy circuit. And honestly,
I think what we saw in that running was pretty
much what we're going to get in his matches.
Oh, God. That's what we're going to get in his
matches. Honestly, I think they've really like
seriously overhyped it. Yeah, if that is the
case then yeah, because that was not worth Let's
put it this way. I'm glad I didn't buy a ticket
to go to backlash So enjoy the PLE because if
that was the highlight of a debut I'd rather
have been in the pub Yeah, I'm gonna be honest.
I'm sort of hoping that they that they pull something
massive out of the bag to polish what was a rather
disappointing sort of debut. I mean, yeah, we've
certainly seen... I have seen rumours floating
around about why we've got Jeff Cobb in this
situation, we've got him. And one of those is
because there is obviously a feud coming up soon
between Jacob Pappatoo and Solo Sakawa. And Solo
mentioned on SmackDown that he was out of soldiers.
in a little backstage segment. So Jeff Cobb has
been brought in as a soldier. He will obviously,
I feel, end up lining with Solo Sokoa during
the feud with Jacob Fatu. And I think that's
when we'll see Zilla Fatu arrive from, I think
he's in GCW at the moment. I know he's somewhere,
but he's somewhere on the Indy circuit. I don't
think we're going to see him. You don't think
I know he will. He said that he's come in. He
just hasn't told anyone when, but I think it
will be within this section where he will because
there was a this is some backstory that I've
had to do some research to find some of this.
But Jacob Fatu and Jeff Cobb did not get on the
Indy circuit. Like in Ring, they were very much
like we don't like each other. He's a dick. He's
a dick. No, he's a dick Sort of thing and Zilla
was the only one that far to feels that he can
trust that's not already in WWE I Don't know
how long the again. This is a bad booking decision
I think I don't know how long they're gonna try
and flog this how many members of the annoying
family Can we get into the into this business?
But yes, this we're getting a fair few of them
Yeah, it's I think they're overplaying their
hand with this bloodline bollocks. I will be
completely honest. It's a case that they need
to, they need to let it, they need to let it
go. Yeah, I mean, whether it be the bloodline,
the family or whatever, it's run its course.
They are flogging a dead donkey and it's that
dead that half of it's decomposed and the other
half is just dust. Yeah, pretty much. It's a
case that. Yeah, we just don't need any more
bloodline shite it just it's not necessary No
nowhere near necessary and I feel that eventually
Someone is gonna have to and I hate to say I
think the only thing that's gonna stop it is
an injury. I Think someone's gonna end up getting
hurt doing Like quite badly doing this whole
bloodline crap And they're going to end up having
to pull the plug on it. I can't say who it is,
but I couldn't tell you exactly who I think is
going to get injured. But I think there's going
to be something quite big that goes off and they
just go, right, we'll pull the plug on that one.
We don't see any of them for six, eight weeks.
And they repackage, sort of like repackage the
ones they can, release the ones they don't need
and let the bigger ones go off and carry on with
what they've been doing. Yeah, it's and it's
gonna be sad that they do it they do it that
way if that's how they end up doing it But it's
yeah, they've they've Well and truly overplayed
their hand with it. I do think Some of the ones
that are gonna get released and I hate I hate
to say it's I really like the character basis
They have for him. I think Tamatongo will go
And I think Tonga Loa will go as well when they
both come back from injury. I think they'll struggle
to find anything to do with them. They were bought
in for the bloodline stuff. The bloodline stuff
is finishing, hopefully. I'm not quite sure what's
worse, how long they've dragged the bloodline
stuff out for or how long Charlotte Flair's dragged
her career out for. Yeah. Well, we're not going
to talk about Charlotte Flair. She's not involved
in backlash. She's not. That's probably one of
the only ways it could get worse. However, we're
going to talk about we are going to talk about
two women in the next match, which is the Women's
Intercontinental Championship match. I will say
before we go too far that Fatou does retain his
title on in this fatal four way. With the help
of Jeff God. If you thought it was going to go
any way differently then pull your head out of
your ass Yeah, for those of you thought LA Knight
was getting it back. I It's not gonna happen
for a while, but he will get it back eventually
it just won't get it back from Jacob I've got
a feeling that we're gonna see it's He's not
gonna be continuing to go for the US title. I've
got a feeling he's going to start... Well, he's
your pick for Money in the Bank, isn't he? LA
Knight was your pick for Money in the Bank, wasn't
he? So, I haven't... I don't think I've ventured
a pick for Money in the Bank just yet. I might
be wrong, but it's a case that I have an odd
feeling that he's going to make a play for one
of the heavyweight titles. Because there is room
that the WWE draft is coming up soon. Oh bonus
episode And as always the draft is the draft
is included within the weekly shows so it's not
We might get a we might get a bonus episode out
of it. Just sort of You might not theorizing
on theorizing on who and what and where yeah
how it all sort of comes off but realistically
I'm just not yeah I don't see him continuing
to flog the dead horse that is him going to constantly
bat for the even if it isn't the US title it
could be the IC title I think LA Knight versus
Dom could be an interesting interesting way but
yeah that doesn't happen either and Dom's match
is a little bit later on but there were two women
Adam were talking about. One of them is the current
women's intercontinental title holder, Lyra Valkyria.
The other one is the man, Mrs. Rollins, Becky
Lynch. And Becky's come back to try and see if
she can get the only title in WWE. She's not
held yet. Well, there's an argument to be made
that she hasn't yet held the the women's US title
just yet either, but yeah, it's I'm just It's
been a very underwhelmed. It's been a very sort
of underwhelming run -up to The match it's like
Becky Lynch has definitely we've not seen her
at her best under any circumstances There's still
a fair chunk of ring rust in there as much as
commentary would like to tell you there isn't
The problem I have with the whole situation was
Becky's I feel Becky's gonna start to turn into
Charlotte here. It's one of those where she could
come She's come back in a way she's won a title
Fair enough, that adds to her Hall of Fame career.
Obviously she won the women's tag titles at WrestleMania
with Lyra Valkyria. Lost them the next night
to, I can't remember off the top of my head,
Liv and Raquel? Yeah, so Liv and Raquel got the
titles back, became four time tag team title
holders. And then Becky turned on Lyra, which
is what started this feud. And so far, yes. I
think Lyra's held her own. She's buried Charlotte,
not Charlotte, Becky in a few of their exchanges
of words. And this match itself actually, Lyra
was all over her. Literally. I sat watching this
thinking, you know what? This doesn't look like
the Becky Lynch that we're used to, but Lyra
looks so much stronger than what she used to.
a month ago, six weeks ago. This is what I tried
saying is that this matchup, this storyline is
being used to enhance Lyra. Yeah and Becky gets
a payday which is always a bonus. Yeah there's
nobody that would have enhanced Lyra Valkyria's
profile like Becky Lynch would have done. No,
and considering you have the mentor side of it
as well, it kind of increases the strength of
that rivalry. You know, you've got that very
much like the CM Punk Seth Rollins thing, you
know, like there is that pure sort of aggression
in it. And both of these women play the the role
very very well and they've both made it very
very convincing in the short time they've had
if backlash wasn't a pay -per -view and they
were building this up to a match at money in
the bank i think we'd have had a four -star match
like an incredible match yeah they like everything
else with backlash it was a case that they needed
more time to be able to develop the story lines
and actually get some real heat behind it I will
say though that Lyra managed to withhold 3 manhandle
slams. and still win. Not many people are known
to be able to absorb that much damage. Like she's
a tank. Literally just taking shots all night.
Did not care. Anybody that up to the point of
this match needed somebody, something or someone
to tell them that Lyra Valkyria was fucking cash
money in the ring needs their fucking head examining.
I genuinely believe she is so much better than
anybody ever gives her credit for. I will throw
this out there as well, right? Out of all the
matches that are on this card, the main event
is obviously a nostalgia thing. You take that
out. This was probably much of the night. Like,
I think, you know, the Dom Panta match was good,
but I think this one pips it. I put this one
down as match of the night because Lyra put on
a hell of a display and she made Baki look like
an amateur and we know that Baki's not an amateur.
Yeah. A bit of ring rust maybe, but not amateur.
I just don't think that going into that match
pretty much cold, I don't think that... Becky
Lynch realistically had any business being in
that ring. Yeah, no, but this was all about Lyra
and getting some big names under her hat and
it worked. She's now got the biggest scalp in
women's professional wrestling that's not Charlotte
Flair. Granted, Charlotte Flair, you've got to
say she is the greatest of all time when it comes
to women's wrestling purely for the titles that
she's had and the amount of them. Yes. And within
WWE anyway, the amount of Sadie's money seems
to be pulling out everywhere. I think she's wearing
like five at the moment. But yeah, no, Becky
Lynch is probably second best. It's someone that
you can kind of still have a decent match with
without trying to pull in Hall of Famer or an
old school Diva. There's no one else I could
think of apart from you say like Bailey, but
that's, you know, she was written out for this
reason. Yeah, Becky was a good sculpt for Lyra
to have and she's gonna be able to sit there
and enjoy that one for a long time to come. Yeah,
and so she should. Definitely. It is a case that
she has more than earned it and yeah, there's
so many props that need to go to Lyra that just
don't. Mean 100 days as well because like 106
days She's the inaugural champion she hasn't
been given much screen time and not for that
title anyway No, that most of her screen has
been with Bailey in in tag team action, especially
with the build up to WrestleMania and They were
in the tag team gauntlet match weren't they to
get the the match at WrestleMania Yeah, which
made complete sense at the time they were building
to mania and Yeah, there were some absolute classic
matches put on during that gauntlet But now they
need to be focusing on Lyra as a singles competitor
especially after securing such a big win over
becky lynch who is and always will be ring rust
or not and in ring legend yeah no of course i
just she has secured her she has secured a spot
in the hall of fame in years to come and that
will happen it definitely will but for lyra who's
next once this storyline with becky is done and
i'm pretty i'm i'm 97 sure this is it now she's
she's been she's got over a little bit more she's
Got that confidence to bring herself out on her
promos and her in -ring ability. Who's next for
Lyra Valkyria? This is it. It's been a fantasy
booking for it. Because we could see her against
Jade Cargill for that one if they're going to
put Cargill on a smaller title just to see how
the crowd react to it. No, do you know what?
Go for it odd odd little call but I like your
little calls. They've they've done well in the
past go hit me with it and so Laura Valkyria,
she'll have she she'll they'll give her a run
with some small -time singles matches keep her
fresh but We've seen a lot of Roxanne Perez on
Raw recently Ooh. What about giving Roxanne Perez
her main roster call up, the proper call up,
and giving her Ed Woodin's intercontinental title
shot? She doesn't have to lift the belt. No,
give her an opportunity. Part of her call up
is she gets mouthy to the general manager about
how she's better than Lyra. She should have that
title. So the general manager gives her an opportunity
to take it. Lyra gives her a kick in the teeth.
It raises it raises because Roxanne Perez comes
with a lot of hype behind her. I feel that her
reputation in NXT speaks volumes for how she's
going to come into the main roster. She is going
to piss a lot of people off. I hope so. She's
going to get slapped by Naomi at some point or
definitely Liv Morgan when she gets back from
filming that movie. Well, that was the other
one I was going to say is that Roxanne Perez
and Liv Morgan, I think, could put on a day.
Yeah, they're two peas in a fucking pod, those
pair, and they will clash. They will. They will
clash at some point. So that could lead to another
faction coming in and you having another team
going up against the New Day and not the New
Day, the Judgment Day. Well, it's funny you mentioned
Judgment Day because I've seen something online
that's really intriguing and it's it's intrigued
me more than I thought it was right Well, hit
me hit us with it was we can then move from that
into the next match, which is a member of the
Judgment Day So that fits in really nicely go
for it. I know so what I've seen is I think it
was a some it was a fan mock -up of a summer
slam poster which sees Liv Morgan, Raquel Rodriguez
and Dominic Mysterio as one three -person tag
team against Roxanne Perez, Julia and Finn Balor.
That's a dirty match isn't it? That's a very
dirty match but the lead -up to Finn Because
I'd want to know how Finn Balor ends up with
Julia and Roxanne Perez That could be really,
oh that's naughty, that's really naughty you
say that was for SummerSlam Yeah, it's a fan
mock -up poster, but I'll tell you what if they
can work that angle and And make that something
then yeah 100 % See I say that But I think that
they'll have Roxanne Perez in the Money in the
Bank ladder match for the women. I don't think
she'll win it, but I think she'll be in that
match. Because if you think about it, she was
also in the elimination chamber. She was, and
she took part in the Royal Rumble as well. Yes,
she has. So I think that we're going to see her
in the ladder match for the women's Money in
the Bank. I can't quite work out who I think
they're going to put the women's money in the
bank briefcase on yet. I'm still a little bit
hit and miss with a few ideas. But, um... So,
hear me out. The women's money in the bank ladder
match, I'm not going to call anybody else, but
two of the participants, one of them being Roxanne
Perez and the other one being Liv Morgan. You
know what? That was... the one I was going with
and I'm going to add into a third one that Alexa
Bliss is going to be in that ladder match too.
Yes but not she's won't have any involvement
in The storyline that I'm cooking in my head
at the minute, which is this that's how that's
how we start So we've already seen the cracks
forming in Judgment Day Finn Balor's exit from
that faction is imminent. It will happen. Oh,
yes, you can put your mortgage on it But if If
Liv Morgan Roxanne Perez both both make a play
for money in the bank neither one of them get
it But it sparked a rivalry between the two.
You then see Roxanne Perez team up with Julia,
who has been, they've been pretty tight over
the last couple of weeks by the looks of things.
And they get a women's tag title opportunity
against Liv and Raquel. They lift the titles
off Liv and Raquel, which then also happens to
coincide roughly with when Finn Balor makes his
exit and decides to latch himself on to these
two young upstart talents and almost creates
an opposite faction for the Judgment Day and
that's how we go into SummerSlam with Liv, Raquel,
Dom because Dom will get pulled wherever Liv
is. Yes. That's how that will go. He's this bitch
really in 100 % and and then it'll be live Raquel
Dom versus Roxanne Julia and Bala Which yeah,
it's it's bare bones. You could you'd have to
flesh it out a little bit, but that would be
pretty interesting Anyway, we're talking too
much about future PLEs. We could be here or not.
We could be here all day, so We'll move on to
the next match which we said tied in quite nicely
because it is our current Intercontinental Champion,
Dirty Dominic Mysterio, who is facing off against
Penta. And you know what? Penta's entrance music
is growing on me. It's also changed. So this
time he has debuted it with the guitarist from
Tool. Slamming in some lovely little pieces.
It's only subtle work, but it is very, very nice.
And yes, I will agree with you. It is slowly
growing on mine. It's slowly growing on me too.
I will say though, my favorite entry music at
the moment just happens to be, it's day one,
it's just me, oofs. Oh, it's my ringtone, mate.
It's my alarm in the morning. Anybody gives me
a phone call, that's it. If I don't answer the
phone, it's because I'm there just yeeting and
watching. I'm gonna make sure I phone you on
the way home from work now just to see if you
start yeeting at the bus stop with your headphones.
Oh, 100 % mate, I'll do it on the bus. I'll be
hitting the guy in the front of me in the head.
As long as you're recording it and putting it
on the finishes and factions. Am I gonna fucking
record it? I need both hands to yeet, motherfucker.
Put one phone in here. Yeet with it in your hand.
Right. You won't say anything anyway. Yeah, regardless.
Rich, what were your takes on that Intercontinental
Championship match? I really enjoyed it, to be
fair. It's nice watching where Dom's progressed
from when he first came into the business to
now. And going up against someone like Penta,
it just shows how far he has come and how good
he is. Like I know he he he brags about you know,
I've only had the title 30 minutes I'm still
the greatest and you know, I'm already the greatest
intercontinental champion has ever been he's
got an ego to him Don't get me wrong, but he
backs it up in the ring and he's doing really
well this match I thought was really really good.
Like I said, it was almost match of the night
for me but The Lyra Becky one beat it for me
just for a pinch, but this was a really really
good match and You know, I'd quite happily go
back and watch it again I'm not going to lie.
And do you know what? I found myself thinking
the same thing as I watched the match that watch
this match in. But yeah, just sort of seeing
how legitimately good Dominic Mysterio has become.
Yeah, like I know he's not just working off his
dad's name. He's making that name his as well.
And he's he's doing really well. I'm actually.
I actually kind of look forward to as much as
now. It used to be like, oh, fuck it, it's done.
Now it's more like, oh, cool, yeah, I'm done.
A lot of former current wrestlers are naming
Dominik Mysterio as having unlimited potential.
The sky is the limit for this guy. And it is
going to be so interesting to watch his career
progress. I just keep, I hope he keeps doing
the three Amigos throughout his career, like
on a regular as well, because I kind of miss,
I'd love to see Eddie Guerrero against some of
these superstars, you know. I know he'd be old,
but can you imagine Eddie versus Penta? Oh, mate.
Send shivers down his spine. It does mate, it
does. That's the PG way of saying it anyway.
Yeah, otherwise we go down the Wade Barrett route
when he talks about LA Knight and we start talking
about tingling in our loins. Yeah, no, we're
not doing that one. This match was a good match.
We did also have a guest appearance in this one.
El Grande Americano decided that he was going
to intervene to help Dom out. I don't think he
was there necessarily to help Dom. No, he was
more to screw Penta. He is on a bit of a crusade
against the Luchador wrestlers. yeah i'm sorry
i'm still i'm still willing to put money down
that el grande americano is fucking chad gable
i mean even uh nick aldis um no adam pierce sorry
uh i spoke to him or asked him about it and at
one point he was wearing a t -shirt in this clip
that actually was el grande americano's t -shirt
and uh yeah it was a few little details if you
if you look at it but yeah it was a It's definitely
Chad Gable. If it's not Chad Gable, I will have
my vasectomy reversed, just to have it done again.
Yeah, I don't think your wife would be too happy
about that, mate. Well, I don't know to be fair.
But yeah, El Grande Americano interferes in the
match with his steel plated mask and yeah, basically
blasts. Such a bullshit gimmick. Such a bullshit
thing. It's overused now. It is. It was every
once in a while, but it's every week. Every time
you see him he's headbutting someone with that
bit of metal. The only thing I can't seem to
get past is that I'd do as much damage to him
as it does to the person he's headbutting. I
thought that! But then Chad Gable's got a pretty
meaty forehead, so yeah, he's got some extra
padding, innit? Yeah, this is it and it's yeah,
I'm I'm wondering how long they're gonna string
El Grande Americano out I hope it's not much
longer to be fair. It was funny to start off
with And now it's just kind of like oh really
dude. You've just ruined a really good match
by involving yourself Yeah I think that was the
bit that kind of made the Lyra and Becky match
kind of pit them for it it was the fact del grande
americano ruined this one like between the two
of them if that was a clean sort of like no interference
no no judgment day no no one's obviously you
know finvalla carlito and uh jd mcdonough were
tossed from ringside to the back as well which
is the second time in two weeks they've been
removed Yeah, so Judgment Day were kicked out
from ringside during JD McDonagh's match on Raw.
Return match. Which I think that was ugly against
Penta as well. I believe it might have been,
you know. Sure it was. Penta has worked his way
through the Judgment Day, he's had matches with
Finn Balor, Dom. and JD. So yeah, he's basically
fought the entire judgment day. Carlito's already
admitted on interviews online that he can't do
it anymore. He's there to take a bump, but he
can't do any of what he used to be able to do.
His body's too fucked. Yeah. And that's the reality
of the wrestling, fortunately, is that they are
gonna... Keep going until they can't go no more.
I'm not gonna lie to you though The role he has
at the moment is fucking brilliant, right? He's
getting paid top money to get speared occasionally
and eat apples Right. He doesn't he don't take
a lot of mass. He takes the bigger bumps, but
they're every so often Not like two or three
a night He gets like a gigantic spear once every
six weeks that one that Bronbreaker hit him with
was fucking filthy Yeah You know like so he can
take those but you won't see him have a full
match which I think is a real shame But he's
still on a payday. He's getting paid top dollar
It's got to be a bit of a piss -take to some
of the guys like Carly O can't wrestle and is
on TV Where they could have used someone who
can wrestle that could be on TV And got pay rise.
Do you know what I mean? Yeah, the Caribbean
pool is just there like I'll take that money.
Thank you very much Oh yeah, it's free money
mate, why would you not? I'd do the same thing,
right? I'd do the same thing without any formal
freaking training to be quite honest, so yeah.
Well done, I'll show speed. I'd have taken that
100%, I'd have fucking regretted it afterwards.
Oh mate, I think I'd have shit myself. If I'd
have eaten that spear in the Voramble, I'd have
shit myself. Talk about shitting themselves though
right that leads quite nicely into the next much
so after Dom retained is his Intercontinental
title we had our I'm gonna call it the funny
match of the night Because this was Gunther versus
Pat McAfee because Gunther choked out part a
few weeks ago after WrestleMania It was the roar
after WrestleMania wouldn't it? honestly this
match was just completely unnecessary I will
throw it out there though that Pat McAfee did
fucking well and his t -shirt had number one
motherfucker written on it yes it did which I
thought was very well and he did as somebody
that is I mean I think we mentioned on one of
the on like the previous episode Pat McAfee's
what about 48? 38, yeah, somewhere around there.
And the guy kept up, the guy managed to keep
up and he took an absolute hammering. Oh, he
did, but he did it so well. I saw some photographs
on social media afterwards of his chest. Oh dear.
Mate, his chest is nothing. It turns out that
I've seen on social media. while we've been recording
that he's actually managed that Gunther's actually
managed to pop a blood vessel in his eye. Holy
crap. Yeah, so Pat McAfee took an absolute beating
and kept coming back for more. I mean, even even
like Michael Cole was dragged into the ring at
one point. Right. Honestly, I just don't. That
was a hell of a dropkick by Patlo to get Gunther
off Michael Cole. Oh, yeah. Like for a guy who's
not had a lot of professional training, right?
He's obviously had enough to be able to do what
he's got to do. But the timing of it, you'd thought
he'd been doing it for years, bro. Like the way
he wrestled, you could have quite happily turned
around and gone, dude, like that was really good.
Do you want to do it again next week? I just
don't think that Gunther was the right opponent
to have Pat McAfee in the ring with because there
was a certain there were certain points during
that match where it was just it was it was a
beat down it wasn't anything there was no match
there was no back and forth it was Every time
Pat McAfee started to get up, Gunther had kicked
him back down again. There really was no need.
That match could have been done in three minutes.
And in fairness, I think the only reason it went
on as long as it did was because they'd bumped
the J .U. so much. I think this match got more
minutes than it was intending to. And that's
why they took, they had Gunther take a really
slow pace. Yeah. And I think, I think they were
going to give it a, like Jay a squash match where
they were going to squash, he was going to squash
the balls out of Logan Paul. Cause there wasn't
a lot of time to fit in between that and the
Randy Orton Cena match, which didn't feel like
it stretched out too much. I think that time,
So I think the Gunther -Pat McAfee match got
more minutes than it was supposed to, and the
John Cena -Randy Orton match that comes up after
this one? Yes. So that comes up after this one.
It's a case that that one got more minutes, but
you're talking about two veterans of the game.
These two were given extra minutes and they made
each minute count. Gunther obviously won the
match. There was never any way that the ring
general was not going to walk out of that with
a win. That would have destroyed what credibility
he had left. So They've done the right thing
in Giving Gunther the win because it protects
his character But the match itself completely
unnecessary However my personal pick for match
of the match of the card and again I said it
earlier on it's only because of how nostalgic
it was was the undisputed WWE Championship match
which sees the current champ John heel turn Cena
versus Randy the Viper Orton it's weird seeing
Randy as a face Randy himself has said in interview
that it was weird to be seen as a face against
John Cena. He is not used to being cheered against
John Cena. It was weird for him. It's strange
for the fans too. I'm not going to lie. Like
normally you cheer Cena, you boo Orton. And now
it's the other way around. You're like, I don't
want to boo Cena. Why am I booing Cena? He's
the good guy. No, no he's not. I mean, I've always
found it difficult between these two as it is.
He's not a good bad guy. John Cena was the He
was everybody's favorite Everybody had whether
they admitted it or not. It was a case that everybody's
favorite was John Cena and It's a case that Randy
Orton always looked like there's something that's
always appealed to me about his psychopathic
tendencies those voices in his head are Yeah
I'd love to know what the voices say sometimes.
I don't think we'd want to know. I don't think
we'd be able to look at it. I don't think we'd
be able to look the viper in the eye anytime
soon. And honestly, I think there were a few
refs and execs that probably didn't feel, didn't
really want to be in the ring with them either
at this point. I can understand that. Yeah, because
don't get me wrong. I mean, these two have always
put on phenomenal matches and considering how
old they are now they didn't skimp it was a case
that this was every bit the match that it needed
to be definitely and it also did a quite a good
job for setting up what I believe is going to
be John Cena like the next John Cena target well
I don't I don't know who's next. Who do we want
to be next? Well, based on the match that we
had, it was a case that so we could take you
through blow by blow. But honestly, that's not
what the podcast is. It's not. We're not here
as audio description for WWE matches. We used
to. We changed. We used to be. Yeah, no, we've
evolved. But yeah, at one point, Randy Orton
has seen a leveled for a punt kick and it was
going to be a beautiful fucking punt kick. Oh
yes. If it weren't for our truth getting in the
way. Well, he also gets put through the table
in the interview afterwards, doesn't he? He does,
yes. I personally haven't seen the clip but I
know the clip exists. I've seen the clip, I think
I was too tired. to appreciate it and i just
haven't seen it since no which is fair enough
but it's a case that yes the i think there is
a very strong possibility we're going to be seeing
our truth taking on john cena for the wwe championship
and me and you have talked about this already
it is a case that it would be and that wants
truth to have that title Even if it's just for
a few weeks man until like the next person Like
in line gets it. But yeah, I'd love to see him
with a little title run slightly longer than
Kofi Kingston's last one would be preferable
Yeah, it's a case that I just want to see it
it would be a phenomenal tip of the cap to our
truth who Realistically, if he continues getting
involved the way he is, he doesn't have long
left on his career. No. But fair play to him,
Mike. He's still killing it. R -Truth is always
going to be a fan favourite. That guy is going
into the Hall of Fame. I tell you this now, R
-Truth is going to be a Hall of Fame all day.
Yeah, it's just for his loyalty. Oh, 100%. He's
been there pretty much since day one. Yeah, he
did do a stint with, I think it was WCW, ECW
maybe? He did a stint with TNA as well. Did he?
Yeah. Ron Killings was in TNA. I was going to
say he's been pretty fucking loyal, the dirty
bastard. No, he's been at WWE a long time. He
has. And he has worn many caps during that time.
Oh, yeah, definitely. The Little Jimmy stuff
will go down as a fan favourite for a long time.
Oh, 100%. Could we see Little Jimmy, our truth,
come back against Cena? That could be cool. No,
I don't think we will. Our truth is very much
he's not going to go back to a gimmick he's done
before. Not for one night only against Cena.
No, I don't think he will But not gonna lie.
It's a case that Yeah between our truth get our
truth getting an arc. I think our truth got an
RKO I think said I think Nick Aldis got an RKO
several other Officials got RKO's as well. Yeah,
but there was an RKO party in the ring. Oh, yes
So we know Randy Alton's already already earned
himself another fine, which he is not prepaid
for That was some great storytelling that was
I Didn't think they'd ever actually I mean we
knew it was gonna happen But we I think everyone
had assumed that that RKO was coming like within
the next week or so Not then not there for them
to hold for them to hold on to that for two years
and then come back with it it was yeah phenomenal
bit of storytelling but it's one of the things
that both Borden and Sena are known for yes and
will always be known for oh yes um it's a case
that i mean again we're not gonna sort of drill
down into too much detail with it because realistically
you've got to watch this match to experience
it properly yeah you'll enjoy it as well it's
a good match for the full appreciation i do genuinely
believe that you've got to you've got to have
an idea at least of what these guys have been
through in their career 25 years these guys have
been facing off against one another on and off
yeah we've had something brutal matches there
was a few I quit matches there's been uh in all
sorts there's been that many I can't even think
about them yeah it's it's they're forever going
to be synonymous with one another and rightly
so oh definitely um but I think we've sort of
found our way to the end of backlash here dude
yeah no I would agree with you there dude So
I think for me, that's everything, and I will
see you on Finishes and Factions does Monday
Night Raw. Well, we would do. It'll be a case
that we'll see you on Finishes and Factions next
week, guys. Remember, new format. We're doing
episodes including Monday Night Raw, NXT, and
SmackDown, one episode a week, folks. So stay
tuned. Peace. Peace.