1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:20,000 Welcome to the ring, it's rich and atom Breaking down the fights with flaring passion 2 00:00:20,000 --> 00:00:34,000 Tag teams grappling belts are clashing Finisher's and factions catching action 3 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:42,000 And welcome back everybody to a new episode of Finisher's and Factions does Monday night raw 4 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:56,000 This week myself, Rich and my co-host Adam welcome in Adam. I am going to be breaking down the episode from Buffalo New York 5 00:00:56,000 --> 00:01:05,000 The Monday night raw after elimination chamber. If you haven't had the opportunity to listen to our elimination chamber breakdown 6 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:13,000 You have three episodes of awesomeness to sit and watch or sit and listen to sorry 7 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:21,000 There are a 100% catalog but like I said this week we are in Buffalo doing Monday night raw as the raw after elimination chamber 8 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:35,000 And well I didn't think after elimination chamber it could get any more intense and then Monday night raw sneaks up and slaps us right in the face two days later 9 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:39,000 I don't know about you Adam but I thought this was a hell of an episode 10 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:53,000 We've got to remember we are well and truly now on the road to WrestleMania and now we've come past elimination chamber. We are looking down the barrel at two nights of back to back 11 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:57,000 Like just wrestling heaven essentially 12 00:01:57,000 --> 00:02:10,000 Not only have we already found out some of the matches that we've got going into this already, we already knew that Jeyusa was going to fight Gunther at WrestleMania 13 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:15,000 We knew that Charlotte Flair was going after Tiffy Stratton at WrestleMania 14 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:28,000 We've already had some matches put together and with elimination chamber showing us that John Cena was off to WrestleMania to go and face Cody Rhodes 15 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:34,000 And when Bianca Bella was going after face either Rhea Ripley or EO Sky 16 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:46,000 That match is our main event of the evening and if you want to skip to it I go to the last sort of like 20 minutes in the podcast and give it a listen 17 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:58,000 But you wouldn't spoil it too much for yourself but we actually get to start off with a gentleman that I say me and Adam have been massive fans of this guy for a long time 18 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:16,000 And we get to see CM Punk come down into the ring, he doesn't even do the ring to me fair, he walks around the outside of the ring, clears everything off the announce table and sits in his pipe bomb position there 19 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:25,000 And it starts basically telling us that he's got a microphone in his hand and he's going to use it 20 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:35,000 Yeah Punk describes this as giving a state of the union address which is a very American way of looking at the news 21 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:38,000 Pro-vote is about to get them cancelled off Netflix 22 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:50,000 Hell, apparently Netflix are quite strict on what they will and won't allow sort of thing so it could very well be the case 23 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:59,000 Punk has not got his sights set on anybody in particular to begin with as he's basically just saying to the crowd like 24 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:19,000 They're fucking throw out some names and we'll start there and work our way around and the first name that comes to the second city saints is the rock, the bald fraud which I took particular enjoyment in actually 25 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:32,000 As soon as that first line came out, as soon as he started picking on rock, he set the tone for what we were about to get 26 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:41,000 And what we were about to get is a classic CM Punk pipe bomb moment and we've seen them over the years in pro wrestling 27 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:51,000 Ironically enough, the last one he cut was about John Cena too, as they went into SummerSlam 28 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:54,000 So Blake, something along those lines you've got to work your way 29 00:04:54,000 --> 00:05:02,000 Yeah, we were talking sort of like 15 years ago, I think it was SummerSlam that Cena went against John Cena with and ran out with the title 30 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:16,000 At the end of it, no Punk went against Cena with sorry but yeah, so he comes down and calls Dwayne a bald fraud and adds that just because he's on the TKO board he ain't getting away from any criticism 31 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:32,000 And then after kind of, you see, he's not desperate enough to wear a fake title and call himself the People's Champion when Punk's earned his accolades 32 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:43,000 To be fair, I think over the years Rock has too, just now the only recents we see of the Rock is, oh, it's WrestleMania 33 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:54,000 Yeah, go on it boys, we'll go back to the WWE for a few months, we'll make another couple million and then we'll go back and film another movie that goes straight to DVD 34 00:05:54,000 --> 00:06:06,000 Yeah, this is it, I mean, it's standard fare for the Rock now but coming back in a heel position is something we haven't seen before 35 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:22,000 Normally we see him come back, he does the finally and runs his normal stick in a couple of cities, drags a bunch of numbers in and then fucks off back to Hollywood again 36 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:39,000 But yeah, I mean, and to be fair, we're not in the attitude era anymore, we don't need Rock, professional wrestling has advanced so much in the time Rock's been in Hollywood that I think he's more concerned that professional wrestling needs him 37 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:53,000 But actually professional wrestling is probably better off without him in most circumstances these days, don't get me wrong, we've had a hell of a storyline with the Bloodline stuff where he was at Mania last year, we're getting another decent storyline this year 38 00:06:53,000 --> 00:07:13,000 It is just a Mania thing, it's kind of like, oh, numbers are dropping, Netflix isn't quite worked, we'll bring in the Rock, and then, yeah, you know, Cena, Punk finishes ripping Rockier, a new Rocky Road, and moves on to the man that no one can see 39 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:37,000 And basically stating that, you know, yeah, no one else can see you, but I can see straight through you, and yeah, he basically starts saying that Cena's given up that the words that he's touted for the last 25 years of hustle, loyalty, respect are now just completely meaningless 40 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:44,000 Because of how he's behaved, which do you know what, I can't really disagree with him on? 41 00:07:44,000 --> 00:08:10,000 No, you can't, but then this is something that professional wrestling fans have wanted for the last, I'm going to say 15 to 20 years, because obviously Cena came into WWE as a heel, made his way through all these years where he's just, he's not even tried to be the baby face 42 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:29,000 He's just ended up being that fan favourite that was always there, because week in, week out, he bought that same height, and it doesn't matter whether it was raw, smack down, wherever he went, whatever city in America it was, you knew what you were getting 43 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:41,000 John Cena was going to come down and defend a title, whichever title it was that he was holding at the time, he was going to come down and defend a title, or he was going to come out and he was going to cut a damn good promo 44 00:08:41,000 --> 00:09:08,000 It's one of those, it's a professional wrestling fan, to be able to turn around and say that you were in the arena when Paul Heyman cut the ECW promo, when CM Punk cut that pipe bomb, the Cena promos we're going to get now, I'm not talking like when he stands on the mic for five minutes after a match or whatever 45 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:25,000 We're going to get that quality promo all the time I think, well on the times we see him, because where we're not going to see him a huge amount anymore, we're getting everything professional wrestling fans have ever wanted from John Cena's character for a year 46 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:49,000 So there's going to be a lot of things they can push with that move, I've seen one saying that he's going to stop showing up at shows, he's going to stop them making wish stuff for a little while, and he's going to basically just stop doing the hustle loyalty, respect thing and just completely reverse that gimmick and see where it goes 47 00:09:49,000 --> 00:10:05,000 Because no matter what happens, they can always bring him back as a face and everyone will accept him back within that section, because of who he is and what he does, this is the guy who's done the most to make a wish ever 48 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:25,000 See I'm not entirely sure that at the minute they'd have to, because he's on his farewell tour, I think this is what we're going to see from Cena now, it's going to be the rest of his year long farewell tour is going to be heel Cena 49 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:45,000 We're not going to see him brought back as a babyface, it's just not going to happen, unless it doesn't work, but I mean it already has, like I've seen people on social media talking about wrestling, I followed for years, never mentioned they're pro wrestling fans 50 00:10:45,000 --> 00:11:01,000 I follow people on social media who are wrestling fans that have put in on social media that they've gone to work, and normally the topic of conversation is football or rugby or the latest only fans model or whatever 51 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:17,000 He said, never have I heard some of these colleagues talk about John Cena, he's like, this, this, what has happened has just elevated such a massive hype around professional wrestling from people that weren't necessarily anything to do with it now 52 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:33,000 It may have been sort of 10 years ago, but don't even think about it now, even to the point where you've had, it was at MJF from AEW, I've seen interviewed by Chris Van Vleet, and even he turned around and was like, oh my God, it was amazing 53 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:49,000 He's like, of course we all watch it, he said he wouldn't be a lover of professional wrestling if you didn't sit and watch professional wrestling, even as a professional wrestler, like there's still people that we look up to, friends that we work with that's still working different promotions 54 00:11:49,000 --> 00:12:07,000 I think what we're getting with this is going to be a pull through of everything that Cena's done with a few of the bits from outside where his influences are now, and that's going to be an interesting road to follow for the last year 55 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:29,000 Whereas as much as you say they have the option of bringing it back with the impact that this has had, they'd have to, I was going to say we wouldn't get a year long, there's an argument to be made that so far it's been a pretty piss poor year long 56 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:45,000 It's a case that, you start to his year long farewell tour to be quite honest, but regardless of that, it's a case that now that he's turned heel, he's shocked the world, not just the wrestling world, the world 57 00:12:45,000 --> 00:13:11,000 In his heel term, they can't just simply flip flop on it and go back and expect everybody to take it, I can't think of how they would write the storyline to say, oh yeah sorry guys, I goofed when I completely demolished Cody Rhodes to within an inch of his life 58 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:19,000 On a stage as big as Elimination Chamber, just no, it ain't going to happen 59 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:45,000 We are going to see a year of heel seener, we've seen 25 odd years of face seener, whether it was intentional or not, we have seen a year of that, we've seen years and years of that, we're going to see something that we've never seen before, or we haven't seen in a very very long time 60 00:13:45,000 --> 00:14:03,000 And I just don't think he's going to go back to that doctor of thugonomics, that doctor of thugonomics role because I'm sorry, he'd have to keep the baseball cap on all the time because the shine off the bold spot is going to create glare off the cameras 61 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:17,000 Yeah, if any of you guys have seen how bad my hairline is on my live streams, seener has got 20 years on me granted, but holy damn, that thing, yeah, Seth was right, that thing needs its own postcode 62 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:19,000 Well 63 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:21,000 Is it Seth or Punk? 64 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:25,000 Someone made the reference about him needing this 65 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:27,000 That was Drew McIntyre 66 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:33,000 I've had some great posts the last few weeks and I fucked that one right up 67 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:54,000 It's alright, we'll forgive you, but while you mentioned Seth, it's at this point that CM Punk turns his wrath to Seth because again, if you haven't listened to our coverage or seen elimination chamber, fair warning 68 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:58,000 Probably about to spoil a big part of it for you 69 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:16,000 Obviously during the men's elimination chamber, essentially Seth stole or robbed Punk of his any chance he had of winning that chamber match by curb stomping his face into the chamber floor basically 70 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:21,000 It was the steal, but Punk sold that, I thought he was dead 71 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:27,000 Like after that stomp, I thought he was dead 72 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:29,000 We know that Punk will sell 73 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:42,000 Oh yeah, you just don't expect him to sell Rollins because those two generally do hate each other, that's not an on-screen thing, that's a thing they generally do absolutely fucking despise each other 74 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:52,000 Yes, but they both love the business, regardless of their personal feelings for one another, they're two professionals, they will always sell for one another 75 00:15:52,000 --> 00:16:06,000 They might lay in a few rough hits here and there, but ultimately they're not going to go the performance 76 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:22,000 No, I mean, all I got from his little entrance on Seth Rollins was that he told Becky Lynch to come and get her man or he's going to put him in a wheelchair 77 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:39,000 Now this goes back to some social media stuff, I don't know if you saw it Adam, where someone posted online that CM Punk's ring gear looked very much like Roxanne Perez's 78 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:53,000 And then I'm not entirely sure what Becky put on Twitter, I didn't see her tweet but she deleted it very quickly afterwards 79 00:16:53,000 --> 00:17:09,000 But yeah, there was a response to that one, but that was the only thing I got from that was Punk telling Becky Lynch to come and get her man and there's just me sat there hoping 80 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:15,000 And I don't even know why because I knew it wasn't going to happen but just hoping Lynch's music would hit 81 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:33,000 Well, somebody's music definitely hit and it wasn't Lynch's, we were all told to burn it down as Rollins music hit and these two unstoppable forces collided as Rollins music hit 82 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:52,000 Punk dropped the mic like it was on fire and high tailed it towards Rollins where just an out and out brawl ensued that required, I'm pretty sure they had to draft extra officials in 83 00:17:52,000 --> 00:18:11,000 I'm not sure where they got them but it's a case that they drafted officials in from pretty much anywhere they could have possibly got them because I think both Rollins by the time they'd managed to separate this brawl 84 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:30,000 There were eight plus officials for both Rollins and Punk each, this brawl was out of the, was yeah, just complete chaos to start Monday Night Raw which is 85 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:41,000 It's always a good way to have a nice change, yeah I like a nice bit of chaos to start Monday Night Raw but I like a little bit of chaos to start any WWE show to be fair 86 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:54,000 It definitely beats having to listen to Michael Colb, I do enjoy listening to Pat McAfee though but these two were not going to be separated at all 87 00:18:54,000 --> 00:19:12,000 And this is where I say about their real life here as well because of how much personal problems they have when you've put them in this role they're both, they're not playing a role, they're just being them 88 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:32,000 And the chemistry between them within this fight and the show in and the trash talking and stuff like that, it's the sort of thing they would have done, this is believable because you can expect this to happen in the cafeteria 89 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:44,000 Or on a bus somewhere or on a gas station or a service station or an airport because of how much they dislike each other, this wasn't, yeah this was so well done, this was perfect 90 00:19:44,000 --> 00:20:03,000 But this is what makes a decent promo is if you've got real world heat to bring into it, it's a case that you're always going to get that better on screen reaction because they're not acting, they're not playing a part, they genuinely dislike one another 91 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:15,000 And it definitely helps to sell a storyline, well it definitely helps to sell that storyline at least, obviously we know 92 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:23,000 Well I've been sat watching some of the WWE show that they've recently released, LFG, Legends and Future Greats 93 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:32,000 And it's one of the things, do you know what actually I've watched the first episode before we started recording and really enjoyed it 94 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:46,000 Solidly really enjoyed it, because there's no storyline involved or anything like that, it's just wrestling, it's the business 95 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:54,000 What, Saturday Night Main Event used to be then, no storyline, no promos, it was just exhibition matches of people wrestling 96 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:58,000 Sort of, but it's more behind the curtain than that 97 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:06,000 You've still had an element, there was still an element of kayfabe in with Saturday Night's Main Event 98 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:17,000 Yeah, they weren't any main roster storylines or anything like that, it was just exhibition matches 99 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:32,000 But these guys are all competing for an NXT contract and it's just really interesting to see, sort of watch them even just in the first episode how they develop 100 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:45,000 And the matches that they put on between them are actually some of them, I watched the first episode, the women's match, I'm not going to give too much away 101 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:55,000 But the women's match, even the experts were like, yeah, they pretty much blew the guys out of the water 102 00:21:55,000 --> 00:22:03,000 And they did have a really solid match for what you've shown, like wouldn't have been out of place in NXT 103 00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:20,000 Or even like an exhibition match, a dark match within a SmackDown or a Raw taping sort of thing, it was really well polished for the first episode 104 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:36,000 Yeah, but yeah, so these guys basically weren't completely in, it was an impossibility of being able to separate them, but they managed to get them both to the back 105 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:41,000 I imagine probably separated them throughout the arena sort of thing 106 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:44,000 You stay that side, you stay that side, you do not move 107 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:57,000 And we went from there, I've got down that we went from there into an elimination chamber recap of the Cody Rose 108 00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:14,000 There was a little VT in between those two, but it wasn't anything storyline or anything like it was basically just saying about WWE World in Las Vegas, WrestleMania week 109 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:31,000 And I think if I remember correctly, they announced or confirmed that main event Jey Uso will be at WWE World in the build up to his match against Gunther WrestleMania 110 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:38,000 And then yeah, we've got an elimination chamber recap of the women's elimination chamber 111 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:50,000 So I've got down here that it was the elimination chamber recap that we got was the Cody Rhodes promo, the social media reactions on Cena's heel turn 112 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:55,000 The one we see about nine, ten times during the course of this episode 113 00:23:55,000 --> 00:24:04,000 Before this episode we got to see the, oh well, I didn't win the Royal Rumble, but I'm off to elimination chamber and I'm off to win my 17th world title 114 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:17,000 So I can shake the hand of the guy who wins 18, yet note this time we get to see Cena kick Mr. Rhodes in the genitalia multiple times, multiple times 115 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:24,000 Actually that many times that if they took them all out, they could have fit in another match 116 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:30,000 Or, yeah, it was definitely one of those 117 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:39,000 And then we got a recap from, yeah, so you've got the elimination chamber recap which obviously was the Cody Rhodes being kicked in the nuts 118 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:55,000 We then got another recap of the women's tag match where Liv Morgan and Raquel Rodriguez won the tag team titles from Naomi and Bianca Belair 119 00:24:55,000 --> 00:25:00,000 I believe that was the Roar before elimination chamber 120 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:06,000 I wanted to say it was the Smackdown before elimination chamber, but you might be right with the Roar actually 121 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:15,000 But either way, the week before elimination chamber, those titles changed hands 122 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:22,000 And then if I remember correctly, we went into a backstage thing with the judgement day 123 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:33,000 Yeah, so they sort of tied in the recap VT and then we cut to the judgement day club house as I appear to have taken to calling it 124 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:40,000 And yeah, basically they're all Mickey Mouse's 125 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,000 Yeah, well 126 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:55,000 But yeah, we see Finn Balor sort of purposely separating himself off from the rest of the main group 127 00:25:55,000 --> 00:26:07,000 And yeah, just sort of being, even when he does come and join everybody else in the club house, it's a case that he's just being really passive aggressive 128 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:11,000 I wrote down that he's genuinely just being a pissy bitch 129 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:19,000 Yeah, he was probably a little bit hungry and could have done with the Snickers because he was definitely not being himself that time 130 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:36,000 The general recap I got from this judgement day promo was that not only Liv Morgan and Raquel Rodriguez, the first three-time women's tag champions 131 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:55,000 We also find out a little bit more about the injuries that Liv Morgan received from that absolute whip of hair that Bianca Belair had in the elimination chamber 132 00:26:55,000 --> 00:27:01,000 And some of the marks that were left were absolutely ruthless 133 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:05,000 Yeah, that braid is lethal 134 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:13,000 Well, we've spoken about it in the past. I've seen some photographs that Liv Morgan put on social media after the next day 135 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:20,000 And the welts and the cuts that a woman has from that match was... 136 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,000 Oh, mate 137 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:28,000 The fact that she went into a Monday night Raw two days later was... 138 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:34,000 Yeah, I wouldn't have been there. I'd have been at home in my bed kind of going, oh, it hurts. Every time I move, it hurts 139 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:37,000 Yeah, pretty much 140 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:52,000 And then finished off with the Liv section of this segment saying that Raquel Rodriguez should go for the women's intercontinental championship 141 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:53,000 I mean... 142 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,000 Do you want to see that match? 143 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,000 I can't see it myself 144 00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:05,000 I mean, the fact they've given her a tag title is one thing 145 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:09,000 It's only because Liv Morgan carries her through most of her matches 146 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:14,000 I do not see the appeal with Raquel Rodriguez at the moment 147 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:17,000 She's not strong enough to stand on her own 148 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,000 No, the character's not 149 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:24,000 Yeah, the character development just isn't there. They haven't put the time in with her 150 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:40,000 Yeah, as a person, she's definitely got some ability, a lot more than I have, don't get me wrong, but maybe not quite the level you'd expect from a champion 151 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:47,000 Yeah, so you sort of took more variety out of this little promo 152 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:58,000 I focused mainly in on Balor for this one because, and I've sort of seen since this raw aired, and I've taken my notes for it 153 00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:07,000 It's a case that I've seen some bits and pieces for other... let's call them social media pundits online 154 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:17,000 where they're sort of thinking the same thing as me, and it's a case that Balor is sort of slowly starting to remove himself from the judgement day 155 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:26,000 So I think we're going to see Balor and the judgement day go off in another... they're going to go their separate ways 156 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:32,000 I'm hoping that ends in a match for Dom vs Finn to be fair, because I think that could be an interesting one 157 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:44,000 Well, I think that's how they're going to separate Finn Balor out, but the interesting thing is that obviously, I think you may have mentioned it on one of our previous episodes more recently 158 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:56,000 is that we keep seeing little hints of a familiar Balor character that we haven't seen in quite a while, which is the demon king Finn Balor 159 00:29:56,000 --> 00:30:04,000 with all the face paint and everything like that, the Finn Balor we used to see in rather than... 160 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:13,000 I've got a feeling that we are going to see a return and that's how he's going to break away from the judgement day 161 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:20,000 but there's an interesting theory that he won't stay on a singles run, he'll instead end up going and joining another group 162 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:30,000 Well, we only see the demon Finn Balor from a face, Finn Balor, so yeah, he'd have to have a face turn to be able to get away with using it 163 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:37,000 with judgement day currently being more of a heel faction than a face faction 164 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:42,000 Yeah, this is it, but we'll have to wait and see what happens with that one 165 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:53,000 It did get a little bit here that Finn Balor seemed quite un-himself and Liv Morgan asks him if he's okay and he just kind of replies with the Dom embarrassed himself last week 166 00:30:53,000 --> 00:31:03,000 and Dom replies about, well, let's face it dude, you had the chair in your hands and you still couldn't finish the job 167 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:16,000 Which was an interesting one, that's referring to Finn Balor's match against... I want to say it was Braun Strowman 168 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:24,000 So this was in reference to how the Braun Breaker Dom Mysterio match ended last week 169 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,000 That's the one, that's the one 170 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:37,000 Because we had Carlito and Finn Balor out to support Dom Mysterio and in fairness Dom Mysterio would have been absolutely laid out in seconds 171 00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:40,000 Had Finn Balor and Carlito not been there 172 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:47,000 It's not the first time we've seen Braun Breaker break Dom Mysterio in half though, so... 173 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:57,000 Yeah, but that match ended basically, I think it ended the queue in the end 174 00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:06,000 That match segment ended with Finn Balor backing himself out of the ring whilst holding a chair in the face of Braun Breaker 175 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:09,000 In the face of having to swing that at Braun Breaker 176 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:20,000 Because that move had been reused when they had Punk and Orton facing off each other and against each other in the ring in Punk's first run with the company 177 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:23,000 Yeah, I remember that now 178 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:30,000 One thing I am definitely not going to remember 179 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:40,000 And that is our first match of the evening, which I actually thought I'd get a little bit more from 180 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:45,000 But the first match of the evening was Gunther vs Otis 181 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:52,000 And I've got this down as a title match, but I don't think it was a little bit later on 182 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:57,000 No, it wasn't a title match although in fairness 183 00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:11,000 We have seen when a heel champion goes towards WrestleMania and they start having these singles matches with unrelated parties like Otis and the rest of Alpha Academy 184 00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:16,000 It's a case that they do normally put their title on the line 185 00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:28,000 And it starts to get a bit dicey when they have to really start to defend themselves as we see Gunther do in different areas of this match 186 00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:35,000 It's a case that during this match Otis puts up a really good fight 187 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:41,000 You know what, actually, and I was watching this going, come on mate, you can do it 188 00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:54,000 Just because for whatever reason, can you have imagined how nutty it would have been if we'd have got Jey Uso vs Otis at WrestleMania in the main event? 189 00:33:54,000 --> 00:34:00,000 I don't think it would ever be a WrestleMania event, if I'm honest, I think we'd probably see it in another paper view 190 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:11,000 Oh yeah, but you'll see it at some point, but that's what I'm saying, can you imagine that Jey Uso vs Otis for a World Heavyweight title at WrestleMania? 191 00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:17,000 Because the title matches they have built, that just would not be salivating 192 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:26,000 So we knew Gunther was going to keep hold of it anyway, even if it hadn't been a title match 193 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:36,000 Yeah, this is it, and before this match even starts realistically, Gunther comes to the ring with a mic in his hand 194 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:44,000 We've come to learn from previous weeks that he's probably going to end up giving some very thinly veiled insults 195 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:50,000 Yeah, Gunther's ability to insult someone is pathetic 196 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:58,000 You can tell that guy never played Call of Duty Modern Warfare 2 the original, because he would not have lasted in those lobbies with the promos he cut 197 00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:08,000 See, I've never had an issue with Gunther's ability to insult, it's just a case that he does it in a very nice guy sort of fashion 198 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:16,000 He is a very passive aggressive bully, but he's not necessarily that passive aggressive 199 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:27,000 I did find it funny how he was getting an Otis for being a big lad, right? Do you not remember what Gunther looked like two years ago? 200 00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,000 Yeah, this is it, I mean, done it wrong 201 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:35,000 But there has lost a lot of weight and put in and done a lot of work in the gym in the last two years to look the way he does 202 00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:45,000 And trust me, he looks better than I do, but yeah, he's commenting on Otis being a big boy and he used to be a really big boy 203 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:51,000 Yeah, this is it, I mean, sure, I've got the note down for this somewhere 204 00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:01,000 So they make a reference at one point 205 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:16,000 So, yeah, so the result for this as we've already said, Gunther wins via pinfall after an impressive power bomb on Otis who is 330 pounds 206 00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:23,000 Incidentally, exactly the same weight as Ivar from the War Raiders 207 00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:34,000 There will be more Tag Team champions, but I wanted to try and find something to equate 330 pounds because I'm English 208 00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,000 Yeah, they don't mean much to me 209 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:41,000 Pounds don't mean fuck all to me unless you're talking money 210 00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:53,000 So Otis, if he's 330 pounds, is the same, what is essentially equivalent to an adult male giant panda 211 00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:56,000 Just not as cuddly 212 00:36:56,000 --> 00:37:01,000 I don't know, I reckon he'd give you a fucking good cuddle to be fair 213 00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,000 I was talking about the panda 214 00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:12,000 Well, yeah, there is that too, but yeah, it's a case that I had to try and find something to equate that too 215 00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:21,000 Because the fact that the WWE has always worked in pounds and I know the only way it means something to me generally is if 216 00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:28,000 Obviously, the higher the number, the heavier it is, that is about as much sense as that makes to me 217 00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:34,000 Yeah, 330 pounds is a fair chunk of weight 218 00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,000 Oh, 100% 219 00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:48,000 We did get notified during this match that they had a nearly sold out arena of 13,602 in attendance 220 00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:52,000 Yeah, this was the Key Bank Center in Buffalo, New York 221 00:37:52,000 --> 00:38:02,000 Yeah, there is another sports team that calls it home, but off the top of my head 222 00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:07,000 I can't work out who it is, well I don't know who it is 223 00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:12,000 Yeah, I'm not 100% certain off top of my head without looking into it to be fair 224 00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:17,000 Oh, it's the home to the Buffalo Sabres of the National Hockey League 225 00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:24,000 And the Key Bank Center is the largest indoor arena in western New York 226 00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:28,000 With a seating capacity of 19,070 227 00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:35,000 So, when they said they had a nearly sold out arena of 13,600 228 00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:40,000 Bear in mind they have to take out a load of seats for the ring and all the bike station stuff, they're probably not far wrong 229 00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:44,000 Yeah, this is it 230 00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:50,000 But yeah 231 00:38:50,000 --> 00:39:01,000 It's also home to the Buffalo Bandits of the NLL 232 00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:04,000 Which I think is the National La Crosse League 233 00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:06,000 Oh, okay 234 00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:13,000 I've only ever had one experience with La Crosse and that was in high school 235 00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:20,000 And I ended up with a four day suspension from that particular PE lesson 236 00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:24,000 So yeah, no, I wasn't allowed to participate in the rest of it 237 00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,000 Bear 238 00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:34,000 Apparently tripping people over is not within the rules set, but quite funny when you do it on the outdoor or weather hockey pitches 239 00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:42,000 It's like gravity sort of dirt mate, yeah, that was painful 240 00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:47,000 That is how you end up with a lot of scraped knees 241 00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:50,000 Yes, definitely 242 00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:57,000 So after this match finished, we ended up with... 243 00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:07,000 So the other members of Alpha Academy kind of tried to come in 244 00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:15,000 I'm not entirely sure what this next bit was really for to be fair, but as Gunther ends up locking in a sleeper hold on to Zara again 245 00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:18,000 Which gets interrupted 246 00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:29,000 And then there's another power bomb onto Otis from Gunther before J. So comes running out to save Otis from a third power bomb 247 00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:38,000 But Gunther pretty much is already like knows J's coming at this point, you can kind of anticipate it 248 00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:41,000 We see one, you see the other at the moment 249 00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:51,000 So he lays a bit of a beat down onto J, J reverses it and ends up hitting him with a spear 250 00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:59,000 And then he kind of raises the title above the Gunther who's lying in the middle of the ring 251 00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:10,000 Which kind of, you know, it says, we're told by commentary that in 47 nights we are going to have that WrestleMania match between the two of them 252 00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:16,000 And then Theory and Waller came running out 253 00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:22,000 I couldn't really think of why we'd see Austin Theory and Grayson Waller 254 00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:33,000 And then we were informed by Michael Cole, it was they came out and attacked Jetty because they felt that he embarrassed them last week 255 00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:39,000 When they were trying to call him out and tell him that no one likes him and everyone thinks he's going to lose 256 00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:59,000 Yeah, so this, I mean it sort of is what it is with this one, it's a case that Grayson Waller, Austin Theory felt fucked off that basically J had managed to 257 00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:12,000 Knock Grayson Waller's jaw around to the other side of his head with a super kick outside the trainer's room and yeah, it just 258 00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:23,000 I always feel particularly underwhelmed when it comes to A-Town Down Under, I mean they had a really good match the other week in NXT 259 00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:31,000 And I've just got an odd feeling that should they really have ever been moved from NXT in the first place? 260 00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:33,000 Probably not 261 00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:41,000 No, they've not really done a lot on main roster, they could probably have benefitted from staying in NXT slightly longer 262 00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:54,000 But hey, we're just two middle aged men sat on a sofa discussing wrestling, we're not anything to do with wrestling and they probably got a half decent storyline ahead coming up 263 00:42:54,000 --> 00:43:02,000 But I'm not going to lie to you neither of them really gripped me and kind of go yeah, you want to watch me wrestle, yeah, no 264 00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:10,000 Yeah, this is it, it's basically like the next generation's version of The Mizzers 265 00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:12,000 Little bit 266 00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:18,000 Yeah, no, I'm not really a big fan of Austin, Austin Theory and Grayson Waller 267 00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:33,000 So we get, Jay gets a bit of a bit of fun in there, he hits a nice little spear, one of them, I can't remember which one it is, I think it was Austin Theory, he speared 268 00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:48,000 And then we got some good old slaps locked around and yeah, some yeet slaps they were described as and all you heard was the slap and yoo from the crowd 269 00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:58,000 Until Gunther Jops back into the ring sneaks up on Jay and locks him into a submission into a sleep hold, isn't it? 270 00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:11,000 And puts Jay to sleep, he puts him to sleep, kind of night light, oh yeah, yeah, he definitely went to sleep 271 00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:17,000 That guy knew his chicken had been cooked, I know 272 00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:32,000 Which Gunther picks his title back up and holds it above Jay's unconscious body in the ring, which is a little bit of like, you're not doing that to me mate, this is my title, I'll show you how to do it properly 273 00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:42,000 Yeah, which we've sort of come to expect from Gunther, he's not one to be one up as it were 274 00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,000 Definitely 275 00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:59,000 So yeah, that feud intensifies on the Road to WrestleMania as we will see with so many other feuds that we'll likely develop over the next few weeks on the run 276 00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:07,000 But they did say he was going to make Jay use those life hell on the Road to WrestleMania and he's made a good start to keeping that promise 277 00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:15,000 I mean he's also managing to make the Alpha Academy's life not very fun either, so he's sort of got a twofer in there 278 00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:35,000 Wow, yeah, but you know, it's all good and heard, talking about all good and heard this, we ended up going from that match into a promo of our match a little bit later on between Rhea Ripley and Yo Sky for the women's world title 279 00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:50,000 Yeah, just sort of illustrating the history behind Yo Sky and Rhea Ripley's little rivalry I suppose, it's probably the best way to illustrate that 280 00:45:50,000 --> 00:46:10,000 And we're basically, yeah, we're waiting on that for the main event, we go from that into another VT for John Cena's heel turn 281 00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:14,000 Oh, did John Cena have a heel turn? Oh, I missed that 282 00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,000 Did you not know? 283 00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:23,000 Well, where was that? I'm going to have to go back and check out that podcast episode that I recorded and completely forgot about apparently 284 00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:25,000 Yeah, apparently so 285 00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:29,000 Cena had a heel turn, god damn it, what a surprise 286 00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:38,000 Yeah, I know, right? But the only reason I haven't made note of every VT they use in Raw 287 00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:47,000 is just illustrating that heel turn, the man we can't see had on Saturday night 288 00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:56,000 The only reason I've mentioned this one is because it then goes into a backstage interview where Kathy Kelly is interviewing AJ Styles 289 00:46:56,000 --> 00:47:10,000 and he's probably getting his reaction on John Cena's heel turn and Styles barely gets a few words off before he is interrupted by Karrion Kross 290 00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:22,000 who seems to be trying to get as many, he seems to be trying to have as many hands in as many different pies as he can possibly get them at the moment 291 00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:29,000 and he's been sort of stirring the pot with Sami Zayn recently and all the rest of it 292 00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:37,000 and I've actually seen on social media and I've actually seen Karrion Kross himself respond to this theory 293 00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:51,000 It's a case that every time we see Karrion Kross, his hair is in the same style as the person that he's interacting with 294 00:47:51,000 --> 00:48:01,000 So I've often joked on and off, I think on and off the podcast about AJ Styles having a soccer mom hairstyle 295 00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:08,000 Karrion Kross does his best impression of that there 296 00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:19,000 Sami Zayn normally has his little twat knot at the beginning or at the top and it's a case that we see that as well 297 00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:24,000 Well you know if he's going to be getting into it with Randy Orton at the time of the season 298 00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:29,000 or if he's going to end up having to shave his noggin 299 00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:32,000 Yes there is that 300 00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:37,000 but yeah it's 301 00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:47,000 Well Karrion Kross ends up, I think he probably ends up stitching AJ Styles up a good one here to be honest with you 302 00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:52,000 It's a case that he basically 303 00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:57,000 We set AJ up him for a match with Logan didn't we? 304 00:48:57,000 --> 00:49:01,000 Yeah he gets an AJ's head 305 00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:11,000 That's it, like gets AJ thinking that it's a good idea to call out Logan Paul for a match at Madison Square Gardens next week 306 00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:18,000 and AJ goes off like yeah I'm going to go talk to Adam Pearce, yeah 307 00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:24,000 and then you just get back to Karrion Kross and he's like that was easy 308 00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:29,000 Yeah and this is what Karrion Kross does, he gets him people's head 309 00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:35,000 Yeah and he does it very very well but yeah he completely mugged AJ off 310 00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:42,000 So on that basis we are working on that AJ Styles is going to face Logan Paul 311 00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:50,000 in what I'm guessing is just going to be a standard singles match next week in Madison Square Gardens 312 00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:57,000 but it hasn't been confirmed confirmed by anyone at this point 313 00:49:57,000 --> 00:50:10,000 No but we do go from this VT into the second match of the evening which is actually the women's intercontinental championship match 314 00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:15,000 where we see Lyra Valkyria defend against Ivy Nile 315 00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:22,000 I threw in my notes here and I don't know if you can hear it too but when you listen to Ivy Niles entry music 316 00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:29,000 do you hear Kurt Angles in there too? Yes and that is by design 317 00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:35,000 That wasn't just me being stupidly baked, oh shit I can hear Kurt Angles 318 00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:38,000 No it's not Kurt Angles, it's Ivy Nile 319 00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:46,000 No because Ivy Nile uses the same entrance music I think as the American made faction that Chad Gable has been leading recently 320 00:50:46,000 --> 00:51:04,000 and I think on one week in particular they were coming out to the ring and they even managed to get a U-Suck chant from the WWE Universe 321 00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:11,000 So yeah it's in there by design and there are reasons behind it 322 00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:20,000 I didn't get a lot of notes for this match and I'm not 100% sure why because it was a good match 323 00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:24,000 to be fair it was a great match 324 00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:33,000 It wasn't particularly there wasn't a lot of high spots for it which is what you have a tendency to focus on 325 00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:42,000 So we focus mainly on big power moves or high flying moves 326 00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:47,000 I like to refer to myself as a JR note taker 327 00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:52,000 If JR would have gone oh my god I'm making a note of it 328 00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:56,000 If he didn't it normally just gets left by the wayside 329 00:51:56,000 --> 00:52:07,000 But yeah we started off with a recap of Dakota Kai and her match against Lyra Valkyria last time 330 00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:16,000 and how Ivy interrupted at the end so basically Ivy Nile comes down, tosses Dakota Kai into the rails 331 00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:29,000 runs into the ring pulls Lyra down onto the turnbuckle, German Suplex whips her ass and then basically just kind of wanders off 332 00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:35,000 But she laid a beat down on the champion and this time the champion is like well no you don't just come into my ring 333 00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:40,000 and lay the smack of down on me we're going to have a match for this 334 00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:44,000 So we got a women's intercontinental championship match between those two 335 00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:47,000 So yeah I didn't get a huge amount 336 00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:53,000 I've got Ivy's never held a WWE title 337 00:52:53,000 --> 00:53:07,000 and then I've got Ivy used the dragon screw from the second rope which is something we've seen a lot being used by Stephanie Baker in NXT 338 00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:10,000 So it's nice to see that being used by 339 00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:23,000 and it's used to some degree of efficiency as well as it seemed to cause obviously a tweak in Lyra's left knee 340 00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:31,000 which continues just to sort of cause her issues throughout this match as it goes 341 00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:38,000 Yeah I don't remember anyone saying about her having knee issues in the past but I can imagine like 342 00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:45,000 No but we've said this dragon screw move is brutal 343 00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:56,000 It's absolutely brutal so if you're using that on either left or the right leg that leg's not going to be right for the rest of the match realistically 344 00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:57,000 No definitely not 345 00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:59,000 And that's if you choose correctly 346 00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:11,000 Yeah you were, you missed time that one you were going to do a loss of damage 347 00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:13,000 Oh 100% 348 00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:21,000 Someone who's got knee issues themselves, yeah you try pulling that on me if I can get that right you're going to mess my knee right up again 349 00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:30,000 That dragon screw basically was a, it could have been the absolute turning point in this match for Ivy Nile to have won 350 00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:36,000 and just Lyra Valkyrie was the better woman on the night realistically 351 00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:45,000 And that was kind of shown by the fact that she retained her championship at the end of it as well 352 00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:58,000 But it could have so easily gone either way and this is sort of the frustrating thing with Ivy Nile is that fundamentally she is a phenomenal talent 353 00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:08,000 She just doesn't seem at the moment to have enough to be able to get us to sort of inch herself over that finish line with it 354 00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:21,000 Yeah I think with a rework and a slight push Ivy Nile does have the ability to go a lot further up the card 355 00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:27,000 A lot further towards the top of the card than where she sits at the moment 356 00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:29,000 Maybe it's just not her time 357 00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:32,000 Maybe it's just not her time 358 00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:40,000 Both women had a fantastic match as you said Valkyrie retained and that was all they wrote on that one 359 00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:49,000 So we then went into a recap of old Chick Magnet Punk and Seth from their brawl earlier 360 00:55:49,000 --> 00:56:00,000 And then we see Jackie Redmond backstage talking to a still very pissed off CM Punk 361 00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:02,000 And then... 362 00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:05,000 It was Rollins that she was talking to 363 00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:10,000 She was talking to Rollins, that's right and the reason I mentioned CM Punk was that out of the corner of Rollins eye 364 00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:25,000 He sees the second city saint and makes a beeline for him and all of a sudden the carnage that we open the show with has restarted 365 00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:33,000 It's absolutely bad with those two trying to rip each other's head clean off and shit on each other's neck 366 00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:35,000 Yeah pretty much 367 00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:42,000 But we don't get as much sort of view of what happens after that really because they don't 368 00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:51,000 To the best of my knowledge looking at what I can see here it doesn't look like they make much mention of it at all throughout the rest of the match 369 00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:59,000 Throughout the rest of the card so it's not something that we really come back to at any point 370 00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:11,000 But we went from there and we actually hit a familiar segment which is where WWE sort of recap there 371 00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:16,000 Do a brief recap of their history in Buffalo 372 00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:23,000 This is by an interesting history in Buffalo so Raw has been held in Buffalo 18 times 373 00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:27,000 This is the 18th time Monday night Raw has been held in Buffalo 374 00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:39,000 And this was the 70th WWE televised event which means it could have been Raw, NXT, main event, 205 live 375 00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:52,000 Anything that could have possibly have been televised through WWE was, it's like the 70th one that they've done from Buffalo New York 376 00:57:52,000 --> 00:58:01,000 Before we launch into this next bit I've got your notes in front of me and I know that you've made a mistake with one of the next ones listed 377 00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:03,000 Which one of them made a mistake? 378 00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:12,000 Because I nearly made the same mistake so one of the other things that they give us is that Buffalo has hosted 5 PLEs 379 00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:16,000 The first one on the list was fully loaded 1999 380 00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:21,000 It's the next one on your list that isn't actually a WWE pay-per-view 381 00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:36,000 No, full brawl 2000 I think was a, I want to say it was an NWA pay-per-view potentially 382 00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:43,000 It wasn't WWE because I kept coming back to it because I'm guessing that you probably found the same list that I did 383 00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:46,000 Because you've got all the other ones that I've got 384 00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:49,000 It was WCW that did full brawl 2000 385 00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:51,000 There we go 386 00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:56,000 Because Goldberg's on the poster for it along with Scott Steiner 387 00:58:56,000 --> 00:59:06,000 Yeah, and at that point WCW was just the competitor at that point 388 00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:13,000 But the others that I found your sort of match with me on 389 00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:24,000 Great American Bash 05 Armageddon 08, Knight of Champions 2011 and Battleground 2013 390 00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:28,000 Which was the one that we both messed up on? 391 00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:30,000 The one I messed up on anyway 392 00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:33,000 I was going to say I got it right 393 00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:34,000 Yeah, we then 394 00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:36,000 I did my research properly 395 00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:38,000 Oh, right, oh right 396 00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:40,000 Bite me, I was 397 00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:47,000 Probably waiting for you to come on to the PC to record another episode 398 00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:54,000 So we then went from that section into a little bit of who's in the arena 399 00:59:54,000 --> 01:00:02,000 Mainly focusing on a gentleman called Dion Dawkins who is the Buffalo Bill's left tackle 400 01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:11,000 Showing off some mighty fine WWE merchandise and some Buffalo Bill's gear as well 401 01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:21,000 And then we had a backstage segment with Adam Pearce talking to Seth Rollins 402 01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:28,000 And Rollins is basically just saying like he wants to fight and he's going to do to punk 403 01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:33,000 He did to Reigns and he's going to make sure that punk's not going to WrestleMania 404 01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:36,000 So we then 405 01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:39,000 The exciting part of this was 406 01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:46,000 We got to find out a new match for the Madison Square Gardens card 407 01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:53,000 So next week we have a match between Seth Rollins and CM Punk in Madison Square Gardens 408 01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:57,000 With a stipulation page 409 01:00:57,000 --> 01:01:02,000 They are going mono on mono inside a steel cage 410 01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:06,000 Which means that's a no-dq match, right? 411 01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:11,000 It is a no-dq match and yeah, it's 412 01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:13,000 Oh, there's stuff under the ring too 413 01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:17,000 Oh, yeah, just fantastic 414 01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:24,000 Really looking forward to a match where we see Seth Rollins and CM Punk tee off inside a steel cage 415 01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:25,000 You know what though? 416 01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:27,000 The Garden 417 01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:32,000 The Garden of all places with its WWE history is a hell of a place to have this match 418 01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:35,000 Did you not think that's a WrestleMania worthy match? 419 01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:38,000 Punk Rollins steel cage 420 01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:43,000 It is and that's what makes it so exciting for next week's Raw 421 01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:46,000 It's just a standard Monday night Raw 422 01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:50,000 And we're getting WrestleMania quality matches 423 01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:54,000 You know, five weeks away from WrestleMania 424 01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:59,000 The other thing Adam Pearce does here is that he does make a smart play 425 01:01:59,000 --> 01:02:04,000 And basically kicks Rollins out of Raw for the week 426 01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:07,000 And just says, you know what, fuck off, I don't want to see you 427 01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:12,000 Don't come back, otherwise you're fucking done basically 428 01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:15,000 I've had a few bosses tell me that over the years, you know 429 01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:20,000 Fuck off, don't come back, don't want to see your face ever again 430 01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:23,000 Alright boss 431 01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:33,000 We then ended up going to an in-ring promo 432 01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:35,000 What are your favorite people? 433 01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:40,000 Yeah, we got to see Ludwig Kaiser 434 01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:45,000 And he, well, we saw Ludwig Kaiser in ring, right? 435 01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:50,000 And then we went to a wonderful recap of Ludwig Kaiser 436 01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:56,000 And the fact that he attacked Penta 437 01:02:56,000 --> 01:03:02,000 You know, they've had the triple threat matches between himself, Penta and P'dun 438 01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:08,000 And basically Kaiser is just going to come out 439 01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:13,000 Demand everyone's gratitude for doing 440 01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:19,000 You know, because he feels that Penta shouldn't have the attention he's got 441 01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:27,000 And he's, you know, he feels he deserves it and P'dun doesn't 442 01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:34,000 Yeah, it's very much Ludwig Kaiser too in his own horn basically 443 01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:41,000 And yeah, it's okay, it makes a very interesting vow 444 01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:47,000 To, if Penta doesn't basically stay out of his way 445 01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:51,000 He's going to make what happened to Cody Rhodes look tame 446 01:03:51,000 --> 01:03:54,000 I mean, fair play to him 447 01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:57,000 If he thinks he can pull it off 448 01:03:57,000 --> 01:04:01,000 But Penta himself 449 01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:09,000 Penta himself is not going to take that line down as he comes to the ring 450 01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:18,000 And basically, I cherry picked a few bits, a few, well, one bit in particular 451 01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:25,000 Was that obviously Penta and Ludwig Kaiser's beef started at Royal Rumble 452 01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:32,000 When Penta managed to evict Ludwig Kaiser from the Rumble match 453 01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:37,000 When he'd only been in there for about six, seven seconds, something like that 454 01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:39,000 What was it? What was it? 455 01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:41,000 You sorry? 456 01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:43,000 I said it wasn't long 457 01:04:43,000 --> 01:04:45,000 No, it certainly wasn't 458 01:04:45,000 --> 01:04:52,000 But we got shades of Royal Rumble here with Penta taking Kaiser out of the ring over the top rope 459 01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:58,000 And then suicide diving out of the ring into Ludwig Kaiser 460 01:04:58,000 --> 01:05:03,000 And basically shutting his damn mouth 461 01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:07,000 Yeah, there's a few secret stars I wish they would shut their damn mouths 462 01:05:07,000 --> 01:05:11,000 Ludwig Kaiser is one of them 463 01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:17,000 One person we don't mind hearing from every now and again is 464 01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:24,000 In a women's elimination chamber winner who we hear from next in a backstage promo 465 01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:31,000 Where she's talking about the events in the chamber 466 01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:34,000 Yeah, obviously recapping 467 01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:39,000 If you haven't listened to the episode or watched the program 468 01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:47,000 Jade Cargill came back, looked like she was about to lay live Morgan with one holy right hand 469 01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:53,000 But instead laid an absolute beating down on Naomi 470 01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:58,000 Which you can hear the smile coming through the headphones at the moment 471 01:05:58,000 --> 01:06:02,000 And this motherfucker managed to call this a few weeks ago 472 01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:06,000 He said that this would happen 473 01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:11,000 So yeah, it turns out it wasn't Liv and Raquel that took Jade Cargill 474 01:06:11,000 --> 01:06:14,000 It was Naomi 475 01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:17,000 Now, we still haven't had this confirmed 476 01:06:17,000 --> 01:06:24,000 Even Bianca says that she hasn't spoken to either Naomi or Jade 477 01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:31,000 And since elimination chamber, it's a case that she's in the dark as we appear to be 478 01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:39,000 Even though, yeah, I'm still saying that I fucking called it from jump that it was Naomi 479 01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:47,000 And yeah, Bianca is basically choosing to refocus herself 480 01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:54,000 Trying to distance herself from this drama, the Jade Cargill Naomi, Liv Morgan, Raquel Rodriguez drama 481 01:06:54,000 --> 01:06:58,000 And focus on the main event of the night 482 01:06:58,000 --> 01:07:05,000 As the main event of the night basically says is directly impacting her and her WrestleMania 483 01:07:05,000 --> 01:07:12,000 It's whether she's preparing to go on and fight EO Sky or whether she's going on to 484 01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:16,000 And needs to prepare to take on Mammy herself 485 01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:21,000 Obviously with Mammy being the current holding champion 486 01:07:21,000 --> 01:07:25,000 She'll be preparing for Rhea but with that big title much later on in the episode 487 01:07:25,000 --> 01:07:28,000 Between her and EO, yeah, it could be anyone 488 01:07:28,000 --> 01:07:33,000 But it's supposed to be Bianca, that's got to suck not knowing where she's going either 489 01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:41,000 She's got plenty of time to prepare and it's not like either EO or Rhea are completely new entities to her 490 01:07:41,000 --> 01:07:49,000 They both have faced off previously, it's a case that they came up together so they already know each other reasonably well 491 01:07:49,000 --> 01:07:56,000 The other thing that I happen to notice and I know for a fact that you won't have noticed this 492 01:07:56,000 --> 01:08:05,000 Is in the background before we start talking about Jade Cargill or anything like that 493 01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:08,000 There are two superstars in the background that we spot 494 01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:13,000 One is Maxine Dupree, part of Alpha Academy 495 01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:23,000 And the other one is Natalia who we've seen appearing quite a lot with Alpha Academy of Late 496 01:08:23,000 --> 01:08:32,000 She was in the training room last week when Jey also came to check in on Tazawa and Otis after Gunther's beat down 497 01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:41,000 And we've seen her for the second week in a row associating with members of Alpha Academy 498 01:08:41,000 --> 01:08:48,000 Even if it is just sort of passing, so I'm not sure if there is something developing there 499 01:08:48,000 --> 01:08:57,000 But it was very clearly in camera shot, was off in the background so it would have been a detail that some people may have overlooked 500 01:08:57,000 --> 01:09:02,000 But still worth mentioning 501 01:09:02,000 --> 01:09:09,000 Right, well from there we got another VT about Senus Heal Turn 502 01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:13,000 Oh yeah, I think I've heard about that somewhere 503 01:09:13,000 --> 01:09:21,000 But this one was focusing on the different announced teams reactions when the Heal Turn went on 504 01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:24,000 Which actually I thought was quite an interesting idea 505 01:09:24,000 --> 01:09:31,000 It was to be fair, we've seen the social media aspects with all the big influences on social media 506 01:09:31,000 --> 01:09:37,000 But given their reactions, but to see the Spanish announced table always killed me 507 01:09:37,000 --> 01:09:44,000 But the reactions from these tables were brilliant, absolutely hilarious 508 01:09:44,000 --> 01:09:49,000 Obviously at the time when it happened it was like, what the fuck? 509 01:09:49,000 --> 01:09:55,000 And now we've seen them all, it's just been hilarious 510 01:09:55,000 --> 01:10:01,000 I've seen some quality memes as well with that, boots to goolies 511 01:10:01,000 --> 01:10:08,000 Well you see, it's more the young fans reactions that I've seen 512 01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:14,000 I saw one lad literally trying to clear all of the John Cena stuff out of his room 513 01:10:14,000 --> 01:10:20,000 Chocking it down the stairs at his dad, I'm getting rid of this shit dad, I don't want it no more 514 01:10:20,000 --> 01:10:27,000 Dude it's just a storyline, I don't care, I'm not having it 515 01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:32,000 It's real to me, god damn it 516 01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:37,000 Some people do get far too engrossed in it 517 01:10:37,000 --> 01:10:45,000 But it's one of those, and then we get a conversation ringside between Michael Cole and Pat McAfee 518 01:10:45,000 --> 01:10:49,000 Talking about Chad Gable's quest for Libra 519 01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:52,000 And we get a VT for that 520 01:10:52,000 --> 01:10:59,000 Yeah we get that, we basically get quite a cool little VT actually 521 01:10:59,000 --> 01:11:05,000 He's walking around, I'm guessing it's Mexico 522 01:11:05,000 --> 01:11:10,000 I really don't want to throw too many guesses out there 523 01:11:10,000 --> 01:11:15,000 But asking people if they knew the photograph, we don't get shown the photograph 524 01:11:15,000 --> 01:11:18,000 It's like hey, do you know this guy? 525 01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:25,000 And then he bumps into said guy in a random alleyway 526 01:11:25,000 --> 01:11:30,000 Which very porno-esque style vibes here 527 01:11:30,000 --> 01:11:34,000 Boom, there's the person you're looking for 528 01:11:34,000 --> 01:11:41,000 And who basically just kind of says to him that if you want to be lucha, you need to become more lucha 529 01:11:41,000 --> 01:11:52,000 And pulls out a box of which Chad Gable has to hand over a rather large sum of money to get his hands on the old box 530 01:11:52,000 --> 01:12:01,000 But he's told that the power inside the box will be beyond his understanding 531 01:12:01,000 --> 01:12:07,000 And then we come out of the VT to American Maidston the Ring 532 01:12:07,000 --> 01:12:14,000 Yeah so I've taken that VT as meaning that we're going to see a return of Chad Gable 533 01:12:14,000 --> 01:12:20,000 Now we have to sort of remember that Chad Gable set the rest of American Maid 534 01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:24,000 Which is the Creed Brothers and Ivin Isle, a challenge 535 01:12:24,000 --> 01:12:27,000 Must have got gold for a few years away 536 01:12:27,000 --> 01:12:32,000 Yeah, so far we've seen that Ivin Isle hasn't quite been able to get the job done 537 01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:38,000 And I would make the same argument for the Creed Brothers up to this point 538 01:12:38,000 --> 01:12:44,000 As they had an ideal opportunity a few weeks ago which I still maintain 539 01:12:44,000 --> 01:12:48,000 They completely fucked themselves out of 540 01:12:48,000 --> 01:12:52,000 That was when they no-defeated themselves in the title match 541 01:12:52,000 --> 01:12:54,000 Yeah, very much so 542 01:12:54,000 --> 01:12:57,000 Idiocracy 543 01:12:57,000 --> 01:13:03,000 They smacked out the War Raiders with their own title 544 01:13:03,000 --> 01:13:06,000 Which only benefited the War Raiders 545 01:13:06,000 --> 01:13:11,000 Which with no mean feat were their opponents tonight 546 01:13:11,000 --> 01:13:17,000 Was this just a title match or was this just a normal tag match? 547 01:13:17,000 --> 01:13:20,000 No, this was a title match 548 01:13:20,000 --> 01:13:28,000 Match 3 was a men's World Tag Team Championship match which saw Eric and Ivar the War Raiders 549 01:13:28,000 --> 01:13:37,000 And I noticed during, at least once during this segment Michael Cole makes the same mistake that I'd usually make with the War Raiders 550 01:13:37,000 --> 01:13:40,000 And goes to call them the Viking Raiders 551 01:13:40,000 --> 01:13:45,000 Which was obviously a previous name for the tag team which they're no longer using 552 01:13:45,000 --> 01:13:50,000 Versus the Creed Brothers, Brutus and Julius Creed 553 01:13:50,000 --> 01:13:55,000 And one of the things we find out is it's actually when this match is taking place 554 01:13:55,000 --> 01:13:57,000 It's Ivar's birthday 555 01:13:57,000 --> 01:13:59,000 Yes, and when they asked him 556 01:13:59,000 --> 01:14:01,000 Quite a fun little detail 557 01:14:01,000 --> 01:14:06,000 What he wanted for his birthday, he wanted to eat the Creed Brothers alive 558 01:14:06,000 --> 01:14:09,000 So, um, someone in the catering 559 01:14:09,000 --> 01:14:11,000 Judging by the size of them I wouldn't put it past him 560 01:14:11,000 --> 01:14:19,000 Someone in catering is not doing a good enough job if he's been in the catering truck and still looking to eat another person that's about 200 pounds of weight 561 01:14:19,000 --> 01:14:21,000 Yeah, this is it 562 01:14:21,000 --> 01:14:27,000 Um, but do you know what? I really wasn't mad at this match considering 563 01:14:27,000 --> 01:14:33,000 Considering how poor a showing the Creed Brothers had the first time round 564 01:14:33,000 --> 01:14:38,000 It's a case that I wasn't expecting a great amount from them this time 565 01:14:38,000 --> 01:14:42,000 But it was very fast paced from the Creed Brothers 566 01:14:42,000 --> 01:14:51,000 There was a lot of quick tagging from them keeping the War Raiders off balance with that 567 01:14:51,000 --> 01:14:54,000 They did a really good job to be fair 568 01:14:54,000 --> 01:14:56,000 I'm not going to lie to you 569 01:14:56,000 --> 01:14:59,000 My notes for this match consist of four lines 570 01:14:59,000 --> 01:15:01,000 One telling me what the match is 571 01:15:01,000 --> 01:15:04,000 One telling me it was Ivar's birthday 572 01:15:04,000 --> 01:15:06,000 One telling me the result 573 01:15:06,000 --> 01:15:10,000 The only major thing I got written down for this 574 01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:14,000 Because of how engrossed I got into what was going on 575 01:15:14,000 --> 01:15:16,000 Was at one point in the match 576 01:15:20,000 --> 01:15:23,000 Brutus hit a 450 frog splash 577 01:15:23,000 --> 01:15:28,000 And Julius managed to hit a shooting star press 578 01:15:28,000 --> 01:15:34,000 Which is one of those moves that you do not see at all 579 01:15:34,000 --> 01:15:37,000 And then someone pulls it out 580 01:15:37,000 --> 01:15:39,000 Does it really really well 581 01:15:39,000 --> 01:15:42,000 And I'm hoping he puts it back in the box now 582 01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:45,000 Because when he hit that he hit it well 583 01:15:45,000 --> 01:15:47,000 And I mean really well 584 01:15:47,000 --> 01:15:48,000 It connected it perfectly 585 01:15:48,000 --> 01:15:54,000 The last person I saw try and pull off the shooting star press was Brock Lesnar 586 01:15:54,000 --> 01:15:57,000 And yes he's done it a fair few times 587 01:15:57,000 --> 01:16:04,000 But we all remember that one time he didn't quite get it right 588 01:16:04,000 --> 01:16:07,000 We always remember the negatives unfortunately 589 01:16:07,000 --> 01:16:11,000 But yeah I didn't get a map that I might more than you did for this match 590 01:16:11,000 --> 01:16:14,000 And it was literally just because I sat there and enjoyed it 591 01:16:14,000 --> 01:16:18,000 I couldn't really cherry pick any elements out 592 01:16:18,000 --> 01:16:25,000 Without literally writing notes that were going to be a play by play of the match itself 593 01:16:25,000 --> 01:16:29,000 And the reality sometimes when I'm watching the programming 594 01:16:29,000 --> 01:16:31,000 Because we're watching it, we're making notes on it 595 01:16:31,000 --> 01:16:34,000 We sometimes we watch certain segments two or three times 596 01:16:34,000 --> 01:16:37,000 And we do put a fad 597 01:16:37,000 --> 01:16:39,000 It may not seem it with my notes some days I will tell you 598 01:16:39,000 --> 01:16:43,000 But we do put a fair amount of effort into what we're doing 599 01:16:43,000 --> 01:16:50,000 And then I kind of sometimes forget just to enjoy what I'm watching 600 01:16:50,000 --> 01:16:53,000 Because by the time you've gone oh you know 601 01:16:53,000 --> 01:16:55,000 That was big I'll better write that down 602 01:16:55,000 --> 01:16:58,000 And then you've paused the wrestling you've typed down how you want to write it 603 01:16:58,000 --> 01:17:02,000 And you've gone back rewatched it just so if there's any more details you need 604 01:17:02,000 --> 01:17:04,000 Carry on to the next section 605 01:17:04,000 --> 01:17:09,000 And you don't because you're so cut and match 606 01:17:09,000 --> 01:17:11,000 You don't get time to it to flow 607 01:17:11,000 --> 01:17:14,000 Sometimes it's just nice to go back and rewatch the match afterwards 608 01:17:14,000 --> 01:17:19,000 And be like yeah I know the win but I'm going to enjoy this now 609 01:17:19,000 --> 01:17:25,000 So I do see your point it's a case that for me personally to sit down and watch 610 01:17:25,000 --> 01:17:29,000 Let's say a two and a half hour episode of Raw 611 01:17:29,000 --> 01:17:33,000 Is probably going to take me upwards of about four hours to watch 612 01:17:33,000 --> 01:17:38,000 While making notes because of the chop and change 613 01:17:38,000 --> 01:17:45,000 Or the stop and start and I will as you say go back and watch certain segments 614 01:17:45,000 --> 01:17:51,000 Simply two or three times while I'm making notes because in the space of two minutes 615 01:17:51,000 --> 01:17:55,000 So much can happen in a match or in a promo 616 01:17:55,000 --> 01:18:01,000 If you're sat there watching and literally just watching 617 01:18:01,000 --> 01:18:05,000 It's fine to absorb all of those different events 618 01:18:05,000 --> 01:18:09,000 But if you've then got to try and sit and make notes about what's going on 619 01:18:09,000 --> 01:18:13,000 It becomes a real bitch to do 620 01:18:13,000 --> 01:18:21,000 You'll try to get the details to be able to talk about it in a continuous flow 621 01:18:21,000 --> 01:18:29,000 Without taking away anything from the presentation 622 01:18:29,000 --> 01:18:33,000 But yeah just complete 623 01:18:33,000 --> 01:18:35,000 It can be a complete nightmare 624 01:18:35,000 --> 01:18:45,000 Definitely then talking about bitches we had a conversation ringside between Michael Cole and Pat McAfee 625 01:18:45,000 --> 01:18:49,000 Talking about Monday Night Raw's biggest bitch 626 01:18:49,000 --> 01:18:57,000 I'm talking about Kevin Owens and his unsanctioned match against Sami Zayn at Elimination Chamber 627 01:18:57,000 --> 01:19:07,000 We had a recap of their unsanctioned match but it mainly focused on the return of Randy Orton 628 01:19:07,000 --> 01:19:13,000 And the brawl between Randy Orton and Kevin Owens 629 01:19:13,000 --> 01:19:21,000 It was more of a push of an RKO onto Kevin Owens who was then set himself up in the corner of the ring 630 01:19:21,000 --> 01:19:29,000 Bearing in mind he's just had a brutal unsanctioned match with Sami Zayn 631 01:19:29,000 --> 01:19:35,000 And he's begging Randy Orton to come down to the ring to get some 632 01:19:35,000 --> 01:19:37,000 And you're like what the fuck are you doing my dude? 633 01:19:37,000 --> 01:19:39,000 Seriously calm it down 634 01:19:39,000 --> 01:19:47,000 We also get told during this little segment that Sami Zayn is out indefinitely 635 01:19:47,000 --> 01:19:53,000 Due to re-aggravation of that neck trauma that he suffered with a package pole driver 636 01:19:53,000 --> 01:19:57,000 Basically Sami Zayn did not come out of that the way that he went in 637 01:19:57,000 --> 01:20:01,000 Which we sort of knew was going to happen regardless 638 01:20:01,000 --> 01:20:07,000 But yeah it's indeterminate at the moment when Sami Zayn will be returning 639 01:20:07,000 --> 01:20:21,000 I don't like it when WWE use the term indefinitely because the next promo they use that very same term 640 01:20:21,000 --> 01:20:27,000 With somebody involved in this next promo which made it sound like he was freaking retiring 641 01:20:27,000 --> 01:20:29,000 And he didn't because he's back 642 01:20:29,000 --> 01:20:35,000 Thankfully I'm glad he's back because again one of my childhood favourites 643 01:20:35,000 --> 01:20:39,000 But this is where we see a VT promo of 644 01:20:39,000 --> 01:20:45,000 I've just literally kept this dead simple and said LWO 645 01:20:45,000 --> 01:20:51,000 The Lucha World Order or Latina World Order I'm not entirely sure which one it falls under 646 01:20:51,000 --> 01:20:53,000 I'm guessing the latter 647 01:20:53,000 --> 01:20:59,000 Are basically clapping back at the New Day who have been on an absolute tirade against them recently 648 01:20:59,000 --> 01:21:05,000 Yeah so I've got that the LWO got stomped down by New Day 649 01:21:05,000 --> 01:21:11,000 But they won't allow New Day to take their hearts, their spirit or their fire 650 01:21:11,000 --> 01:21:15,000 Because New Day couldn't get the job done 651 01:21:15,000 --> 01:21:21,000 And LWO are stronger and then we see Ray in the VT 652 01:21:21,000 --> 01:21:29,000 And he says that him and Dragon Lee are going to make sure they have a very bad day 653 01:21:29,000 --> 01:21:35,000 When they face off in what I'm guessing is a prearranged match already behind 654 01:21:35,000 --> 01:21:37,000 There's no confirmation from Adam Pearce 655 01:21:37,000 --> 01:21:43,000 But in a tornado tag match so this is a little bit of a strange one 656 01:21:43,000 --> 01:21:47,000 Normally with a tag match you see one member of each team in the ring 657 01:21:47,000 --> 01:21:51,000 And the other member on the turnbuckle holding a bit of string 658 01:21:51,000 --> 01:21:55,000 And they've got a touch, they're a potent like their teammate to be able to swap in and out 659 01:21:55,000 --> 01:22:03,000 This one is not the case so we have four people in a ring throwing down 660 01:22:03,000 --> 01:22:09,000 Like just completely throwing off so we're going to have Xavier Woods and Kofi Kingston 661 01:22:09,000 --> 01:22:15,000 Versus Ray Mysterio and Dragon Lee just beating living crap out of each other 662 01:22:15,000 --> 01:22:23,000 And because it's a specialised match type it also means it's no DQ 663 01:22:23,000 --> 01:22:31,000 So there's going to be an entire selection of tables, ladders, chairs, trash cans, kendo sticks 664 01:22:31,000 --> 01:22:35,000 We're going to see everything 665 01:22:35,000 --> 01:22:41,000 Yeah so tornado tags are really not very common at all 666 01:22:41,000 --> 01:22:47,000 We see obviously a lot of the standard tag as Rich said 667 01:22:47,000 --> 01:22:51,000 One person from each team in the ring at a time 668 01:22:51,000 --> 01:22:59,000 Anybody else is normally left out on the apron to await them being tagged in 669 01:22:59,000 --> 01:23:03,000 Tornado tag doesn't operate that way 670 01:23:03,000 --> 01:23:07,000 There's no respite by tagging a partner or anything like that 671 01:23:07,000 --> 01:23:11,000 And it's just not something we see WWE do very often at all 672 01:23:11,000 --> 01:23:15,000 So I'm hyped for this match, I'm not going to lie 673 01:23:15,000 --> 01:23:33,000 So we went from that VT to an in-ring promo for Finn Balor and Bron Breaker 674 01:23:33,000 --> 01:23:39,000 I'm going to throw one last section on the end of that tornado tag match 675 01:23:39,000 --> 01:23:51,000 The last one we had on WWE programming was on Smackdown on the 20th of September 2024 676 01:23:51,000 --> 01:23:59,000 And we had a tornado tag match between Bayley and Naomi versus Nia Jax and Tiffany Stratton 677 01:23:59,000 --> 01:24:10,000 If Bayley or Naomi won the one scoring the four would earn a WWE Women's Championship match at Bad Blood 678 01:24:10,000 --> 01:24:15,000 But if they lost the one who pinned would have to leave Smackdown 679 01:24:15,000 --> 01:24:18,000 Oh right, okay 680 01:24:18,000 --> 01:24:23,000 It doesn't actually tell me who won that much, so that's why I haven't thrown that one in 681 01:24:23,000 --> 01:24:25,000 No, fair enough 682 01:24:25,000 --> 01:24:35,000 I'm guessing it was probably Bayley's the amount of time we've seen her in all of the different programs recently 683 01:24:35,000 --> 01:24:43,000 I would say so, I would say so, but yeah, so I'll still maintain it 684 01:24:43,000 --> 01:24:51,000 It's not a tremendously widely used match type, which is odd because, well, I say odd 685 01:24:51,000 --> 01:24:57,000 It's just going to be more chaotic, and again, I refer back to me and Rich having to make notes on it all 686 01:24:57,000 --> 01:25:04,000 It's going to be a friggin nightmare to make notes on, but in terms of a match as a wrestling fan 687 01:25:04,000 --> 01:25:08,000 Fucking gasped for it, absolutely 688 01:25:08,000 --> 01:25:11,000 It's going to be an incredible match 689 01:25:11,000 --> 01:25:15,000 But yeah, we'll digress on from that 690 01:25:15,000 --> 01:25:23,000 And talk about this in-ring promo between Finn Balor and Bron Breaker, because we sort of come back from a commercial 691 01:25:23,000 --> 01:25:35,000 And we sort of, we've seen this more and more at the moment where we seem to come in part way through something going on 692 01:25:35,000 --> 01:25:43,000 And we're sort of then left to play catch up with no help from commentary or anything 693 01:25:43,000 --> 01:25:53,000 The NXT programming where they were trying to put the NXT logo on the screen at the same time that someone was trying to cut a promo backstage 694 01:25:53,000 --> 01:25:57,000 And it just kept glitching from one to the other and back to the first again 695 01:25:57,000 --> 01:26:04,000 Yeah, nowhere near as bad as that, that is an extreme example from, I think it was last week's NXT actually 696 01:26:04,000 --> 01:26:12,000 Possibly the week before, I want to say it was Kalani Jordan, not Kalani Jordan, Jada Parker trying to cut a promo 697 01:26:12,000 --> 01:26:17,000 Yeah, and... 698 01:26:17,000 --> 01:26:19,000 Yeah, so it's... 699 01:26:19,000 --> 01:26:28,000 We've got Bron Breaker who's sort of up in the crowd, he's obviously been doing an arena side promo with Kathy Kelly 700 01:26:28,000 --> 01:26:34,000 And Balor's in-ring 701 01:26:34,000 --> 01:26:45,000 And basically Finn Balor thinking quite a lot of himself apparently, says that the only way that Bron's been able to hold on to his IC champ is because Judgment Day have allowed it 702 01:26:45,000 --> 01:26:55,000 I mean, he says that and he's definitely, his Cajones were probably bigger when he started saying it than what they were when he finished 703 01:26:55,000 --> 01:27:08,000 But at what point did Judgment Day think they're going to allow Bron Breaker to dictate, to be, you know, at what point, sorry, did Judgment Day think they're going to dictate to Bron Breaker what he can do 704 01:27:08,000 --> 01:27:11,000 And Bron Breaker just breaks him in half 705 01:27:11,000 --> 01:27:21,000 Yeah, and long story short, that's what ends up happening with this is that Breaker ends up coming down... 706 01:27:21,000 --> 01:27:34,000 And Balor makes a claim that he's untouchable, Breaker makes his way down from arena side through the crowd to ringside where we see sort of Carlito and Don Mysterio seemingly appear out of nowhere 707 01:27:34,000 --> 01:27:39,000 Unsuccessfully managed to take out Bron Breaker 708 01:27:39,000 --> 01:27:51,000 They hit him down with the, when you're in the ring, the dogs won't be barking, they'll be watching the dog get put down or something and Bron's just like, I know I'm down, straight down to the ring 709 01:27:51,000 --> 01:28:00,000 Yeah, I'm going to be honest, I don't fully understand this dog's barking thing that Bron Breaker's got going at the minute 710 01:28:00,000 --> 01:28:15,000 And Bron Breaker played football for, I've got to try and make sure I get this the right one, I believe it's Georgia, because their college university football team is called the Georgia Bulldogs 711 01:28:15,000 --> 01:28:22,000 And I'm pretty sure that's where he played football, so the whole dogs thing is a Bulldogs reference 712 01:28:22,000 --> 01:28:26,000 Oh right, okay, so it's all football related 713 01:28:26,000 --> 01:28:28,000 There's a football link there, yeah 714 01:28:28,000 --> 01:28:30,000 Fair enough 715 01:28:30,000 --> 01:28:32,000 Fair enough 716 01:28:32,000 --> 01:28:39,000 That, as long as he doesn't start walking around calling himself the big dog, because someone's already tried that 717 01:28:39,000 --> 01:28:43,000 Yeah, that, I can't even remember who did that 718 01:28:43,000 --> 01:28:46,000 Who's walking around calling himself the big dog? 719 01:28:46,000 --> 01:28:47,000 Yeah 720 01:28:47,000 --> 01:28:51,000 That would have been our tribal chief before he became our tribal chief 721 01:28:51,000 --> 01:28:53,000 Ah, that is a good point, yeah 722 01:28:53,000 --> 01:28:56,000 My brain, my brain decided, nope 723 01:28:56,000 --> 01:29:03,000 Can you remember who did the, the up dog gimmick? 724 01:29:03,000 --> 01:29:13,000 No, my brain's gone 725 01:29:13,000 --> 01:29:17,000 Have you seen the up dog? 726 01:29:17,000 --> 01:29:22,000 I'm not falling, my brain isn't that gone 727 01:29:22,000 --> 01:29:26,000 Oh that was worth a try, it was worth it 728 01:29:26,000 --> 01:29:29,000 It was, it was, you're not wrong 729 01:29:29,000 --> 01:29:36,000 Yeah, basically 730 01:29:36,000 --> 01:29:51,000 Bala basically, as you said, baits breaker down to the ring, tries to basically Bala start to beat down that ultimately he was never going to be able to finish 731 01:29:51,000 --> 01:29:56,000 I'm sure that I quite enjoy watching Bron Breaker military press Fred Bala 732 01:29:56,000 --> 01:30:08,000 Like, he don't see it a lot, but you know that, yeah, Finn Bala's not a huge dude, like he's not Kane or Big Show, but he's still got some weight to him 733 01:30:08,000 --> 01:30:12,000 And Bron Breaker just picked him up like he was a piece of paper, like lifted him up 734 01:30:12,000 --> 01:30:19,000 And Bala is almost pure muscle, there isn't an ounce of fat on the guy, I'm convinced of it 735 01:30:19,000 --> 01:30:27,000 Because he is, that he has, is and always will be as far as I can see 736 01:30:27,000 --> 01:30:36,000 The guy's ripped, he is 100%, pound for pound, pure muscle 737 01:30:36,000 --> 01:30:40,000 You don't see him having a cheat day very often? 738 01:30:40,000 --> 01:30:57,000 No, but somebody that probably wished he called in sick that day was Carlito, who ends up, I like how it's, when Bron Breaker does a spear, it's not just a spear, it's a super spear 739 01:30:57,000 --> 01:31:05,000 Which, I mean, I show speed is going to be able to attest to the fact that, yeah, it probably feels like a super spear 740 01:31:05,000 --> 01:31:12,000 As Carlito is inducted into the Super Spear Hall of Fame 741 01:31:12,000 --> 01:31:24,000 After Breaker tries one on Bala, Dom saves him, they're halfway up the ramp and they've obviously forgotten Carlito was laid out at ringside 742 01:31:24,000 --> 01:31:37,000 Carlito gets up, not realising and you just see this really evil looking smile on Bron Breaker's face as he charges head first into Carlito 743 01:31:37,000 --> 01:31:44,000 Yeah, poor Carlito, like he, he got a fucking train wrecked 744 01:31:44,000 --> 01:31:52,000 But I'm not going to lie, I'd rather Carlito was on the receiving end of that train wreck than me 745 01:31:52,000 --> 01:31:56,000 Yeah, this is true, this is true 746 01:31:56,000 --> 01:32:06,000 But, yeah, we went from there to another VT on Cena, winning the Chamber match 747 01:32:06,000 --> 01:32:13,000 And basically this one culminates to, we'll get a response from Cody on Friday Night SmackDown 748 01:32:13,000 --> 01:32:18,000 And it was the only reason I made note of that VT in any way, shape or form 749 01:32:18,000 --> 01:32:24,000 Yeah, so I just made a note that there was another conversation about Cena's heel turn 750 01:32:24,000 --> 01:32:34,000 We went from there backstage with Mr. Uso, our main event J and Alpha Academy 751 01:32:34,000 --> 01:32:41,000 And he says that, it's pretty much that tonight throw him off his game and he's got some stuff going on in his head 752 01:32:41,000 --> 01:32:48,000 But only Jake can keep himself up and he uses quite an interesting line 753 01:32:48,000 --> 01:32:56,000 So he uses a Bible quote in the next one and it says, he'll walk through the valley of the shadow of death 754 01:32:56,000 --> 01:33:04,000 And he'll feel no evil but he'll wake up a beast and then we get that, was it one word, four letters? 755 01:33:04,000 --> 01:33:07,000 Yeah 756 01:33:07,000 --> 01:33:19,000 Yeah, it was a very different kind of promo than what we've seen J Uso recently 757 01:33:19,000 --> 01:33:23,000 I mean the guy walks out into the Buffalo winter without a shirt on 758 01:33:23,000 --> 01:33:27,000 That takes some cahonis on its own 759 01:33:27,000 --> 01:33:34,000 Yeah, I'm not sure what the temperature was like that night but you can guarantee that it was fucking cold 760 01:33:34,000 --> 01:33:39,000 And there was snow on the ground, it was always going to be a bit nippy 761 01:33:39,000 --> 01:33:42,000 That was just J Uso and he walked out without a shirt 762 01:33:42,000 --> 01:33:46,000 Yeah, pretty much 763 01:33:46,000 --> 01:33:53,000 But yeah, I'm starting to wonder if, like it's difficult to tell if he's 764 01:33:53,000 --> 01:34:08,000 If J Uso is sort of angry but confident, if he's angry but scared or if he's just losing his grip on reality a little bit 765 01:34:08,000 --> 01:34:12,000 Because of everything that Gunther's trying to pull him through 766 01:34:12,000 --> 01:34:17,000 He's losing it a little bit I think 767 01:34:17,000 --> 01:34:19,000 Can't blame the poor guy 768 01:34:19,000 --> 01:34:25,000 I was going to say, does this mean that he's going to end up throwing away a golden opportunity at Mania though? 769 01:34:25,000 --> 01:34:28,000 I mean, you never know, you never know 770 01:34:28,000 --> 01:34:34,000 But talking about Mania, we have one match left on the card 771 01:34:34,000 --> 01:34:40,000 And that is our main event which we've been talking about for a little while 772 01:34:40,000 --> 01:34:50,000 Which is our match between EO Sky and Ria Ripley for the women's heavyweight title 773 01:34:50,000 --> 01:34:56,000 Yeah, the women's world championship where we see Ria Ripley defend 774 01:34:56,000 --> 01:35:02,000 And we also have Bianca Ballet making herself known at ringside 775 01:35:02,000 --> 01:35:11,000 Yeah, which is one of those things that she's obviously going to be facing the winner of this match at WrestleMania 776 01:35:11,000 --> 01:35:15,000 So for her to be at ringside to keep a close eye on what was going on 777 01:35:15,000 --> 01:35:19,000 There's definitely quite an interesting side aspect to it 778 01:35:19,000 --> 01:35:25,000 Yeah, and I mean going into this match we're reminded again and again that 779 01:35:25,000 --> 01:35:34,000 Ria Ripley has never beaten EO Sky one on one even though the last time they faced off was about five years ago 780 01:35:34,000 --> 01:35:41,000 So it's a case that we haven't seen them tee off against one another in quite a number of years 781 01:35:41,000 --> 01:35:47,000 Which is odd considering you think the size of the women's divisions within WWE 782 01:35:47,000 --> 01:35:53,000 You'd like to think that they'd have at least squared off once in five years but apparently not 783 01:35:53,000 --> 01:36:02,000 And yeah, it's a case that Ria Ripley very much playing to her strength early on 784 01:36:02,000 --> 01:36:09,000 And just sort of trying to deal out a lot of damage but EO Sky not really managing to get a foot in the game 785 01:36:09,000 --> 01:36:10,000 It's a case that 786 01:36:10,000 --> 01:36:16,000 I kind of expect Ria to deal with that damage though, she's quite a powerhouse within the wrestling 787 01:36:16,000 --> 01:36:25,000 Sort of the women's division and her main sort of her go to she can have a short powerful match 788 01:36:25,000 --> 01:36:31,000 Rather than a long dragged out one she's going to take that and I generally think she did 789 01:36:31,000 --> 01:36:37,000 Even though you can kind of see she's got some concerns about the fact that she's never beaten EO 790 01:36:37,000 --> 01:36:44,000 You could tell she was just it was just another match to her and it was just another way of expressing her domination 791 01:36:44,000 --> 01:36:48,000 Over the women's division within Monday Night Raw 792 01:36:48,000 --> 01:36:52,000 Well the question is I mean did she go into that match overly confident 793 01:36:52,000 --> 01:36:57,000 I mean she has had a phenomenal 12 months plus 794 01:36:57,000 --> 01:37:03,000 Where she has achieved a lot and managed to do a lot of things that people didn't think she'd be able to do 795 01:37:03,000 --> 01:37:09,000 Did she go into that thinking oh winning against EO Sky it's just another barrier I can break down 796 01:37:09,000 --> 01:37:18,000 I'm going to break down on my way to WrestleMania and it's a bit of an odd one 797 01:37:18,000 --> 01:37:25,000 I mean these two women they again they came up together they came up through NXT together 798 01:37:25,000 --> 01:37:34,000 They came up onto main roster together and it's a case that they know each other remarkably well 799 01:37:34,000 --> 01:37:40,000 But yeah, Rhea Ripley basically trying to steamroll EO Sky 800 01:37:40,000 --> 01:37:48,000 But EO Sky while not getting much offence in when she was landing hits they were in all of the right places 801 01:37:48,000 --> 01:37:55,000 She wasn't sort of hitting a lot but she was hitting weak points 802 01:37:55,000 --> 01:38:01,000 I got her down as hitting like a couple of code breakers a couple of missile dropkicks 803 01:38:01,000 --> 01:38:09,000 A few sort of bullet trains were attempted but you know countered throughout the first 804 01:38:09,000 --> 01:38:16,000 So like 5-10 minutes of the match like when she did get an opportunity to put some offence down it 805 01:38:16,000 --> 01:38:21,000 Like you said it was tactical and it was hard hitting 806 01:38:21,000 --> 01:38:29,000 Yeah she was basically trying to take as much momentum as much wind out of Ripley's sails 807 01:38:29,000 --> 01:38:35,000 As she possibly could and in fairness every time she did and got the opportunity to do that 808 01:38:35,000 --> 01:38:41,000 It's a case that she did so really well and at one point she was even using moves from 809 01:38:41,000 --> 01:38:50,000 That we normally see from other members of damage control which I mean we see this quite a lot 810 01:38:50,000 --> 01:38:56,000 Where wrestlers will borrow each other's moves but being able to pull off one after the other after the other 811 01:38:56,000 --> 01:39:00,000 Was quite impressive realistically 812 01:39:00,000 --> 01:39:05,000 To pull some of them off better than Tokio Kaia as well was quite interesting 813 01:39:05,000 --> 01:39:15,000 Yeah definitely but I've got a fair amount of notes here 814 01:39:15,000 --> 01:39:22,000 I mean I've got one here that says, rear Ripley basically managed to pull off a massive angle slam 815 01:39:22,000 --> 01:39:28,000 From the top rope but only managed to get out but sort of pull out a two count for that one 816 01:39:28,000 --> 01:39:36,000 I've also got another one that says that EOSKY does a sunset flip powerbomb into the barricade off the apron 817 01:39:36,000 --> 01:39:43,000 Which I mean looking at the size and weight ratios between EOSKY and rear Ripley 818 01:39:43,000 --> 01:39:56,000 You wouldn't have thought somebody of EOSKY's frame and height would be able to do that to some of the absolute tanking comparison of rear Ripley 819 01:39:56,000 --> 01:40:01,000 Exactly, you wouldn't expect EOSKY's, I mean at one point she had rear locked in with the Aska lock 820 01:40:01,000 --> 01:40:09,000 You know like when you expect someone like EOSKY to be able to try and submit someone as powerful as rear you just don't expect it coming 821 01:40:09,000 --> 01:40:16,000 And I think that's part of what makes EOSKY so dangerous as a competitor 822 01:40:16,000 --> 01:40:22,000 Is that she's got the nickname of the Queen of the Sky, she is known for her high flying 823 01:40:22,000 --> 01:40:29,000 So realistically if you're trying to play it smart you're going to go in and try and keep her on the ground 824 01:40:29,000 --> 01:40:36,000 Take out a vertical base and that's how you win a match against EOSKY 825 01:40:36,000 --> 01:40:44,000 But rear Ripley wasn't thinking this way, she just viewed EOSKY as another 826 01:40:44,000 --> 01:40:54,000 I do think she sort of underestimated EOSKY and overestimated her own abilities in this one 827 01:40:54,000 --> 01:41:08,000 That coupled together with something that happens towards the end of this match just not playing very well into anything that went on 828 01:41:08,000 --> 01:41:15,000 Yeah Ripley, rear wasn't, for someone who was so confident going into the match 829 01:41:15,000 --> 01:41:21,000 I think she realised she might have been in trouble sort of like three quarters of the way through 830 01:41:21,000 --> 01:41:25,000 I'm not sure whether she was gassed or what the problem was 831 01:41:25,000 --> 01:41:31,000 But you could tell that her body language changed and she was like shit, I could actually possibly not win this 832 01:41:31,000 --> 01:41:33,000 Yeah 833 01:41:33,000 --> 01:41:37,000 And at that point EO just turned the gas on 834 01:41:37,000 --> 01:41:42,000 At one point EO was pretty much down and out 835 01:41:42,000 --> 01:41:52,000 At one point during the match EOSKY narrowly avoids being ring out, ring out, ring outed 836 01:41:52,000 --> 01:41:56,000 Counted out of the ring 837 01:41:56,000 --> 01:42:02,000 But only managed to avoid it because of some encouragement from Bianca Belair 838 01:42:02,000 --> 01:42:09,000 Which pissed rear off massively and got rear into Bianca's face 839 01:42:09,000 --> 01:42:16,000 Yeah, I mean, rear has always thought of Bianca as an ally, as a friend 840 01:42:16,000 --> 01:42:20,000 It's not a case that she's ever thought, do you know what? 841 01:42:20,000 --> 01:42:32,000 Bianca, I mean, it's revealed later on that her and Bianca coming up through NXT were talking about the day will come when 842 01:42:32,000 --> 01:42:41,000 Rhea Ripley vs Bianca Belair on the main stage of WrestleMania and you can't deny how this looks when you've got Bianca Belair there 843 01:42:41,000 --> 01:42:53,000 Shouting encouragement to EOSKY who could potentially be an opponent at Mania after this match 844 01:42:53,000 --> 01:42:56,000 Rather face EO than Rhea though 845 01:42:56,000 --> 01:43:07,000 Yeah, and that's how it comes across for Bianca as well, I mean, either one are going to be a tough mountain to conquer sort of thing 846 01:43:07,000 --> 01:43:14,000 Because they're both, well, one's a current world champion with former championship reigns behind her 847 01:43:14,000 --> 01:43:18,000 EOSKY is a former world champion in her own right 848 01:43:18,000 --> 01:43:27,000 And then neither of them are going to be sort of easy matches to get over 849 01:43:27,000 --> 01:43:37,000 Well, no, exactly, they're both going to be very, very heavy intensive matches, so there's not something I'd want to be doing 850 01:43:37,000 --> 01:43:45,000 During the argument that ensued, I actually questioned the referee's call on this 851 01:43:45,000 --> 01:43:49,000 Now I know that referees get a modicum of discretion 852 01:43:49,000 --> 01:43:55,000 It's basically what the referee says in the ring goes to a certain degree 853 01:43:55,000 --> 01:44:04,000 And I question, because at one point Rhea gives Belair a shove 854 01:44:04,000 --> 01:44:09,000 Then Belair gives Rhea a shove back 855 01:44:09,000 --> 01:44:20,000 I like question, should the referee have called DQ at that point? 856 01:44:20,000 --> 01:44:35,000 Should the referee have called DQ at that point to basically say, hang on, it's one thing for Rhea to put hands on Bianca as an outside shot 857 01:44:35,000 --> 01:44:40,000 But Bianca then puts her hands on Rhea Ripley at the same time 858 01:44:40,000 --> 01:44:49,000 And she's not involved in the match, she's out there as a spectator and DQ has been called for a lot less at the past 859 01:44:49,000 --> 01:44:58,000 So I do question whether that was something that potentially we should have seen from the referee there for it 860 01:44:58,000 --> 01:45:07,000 But the finish to this match, I mean the match in general, I couldn't take my eyes off it 861 01:45:07,000 --> 01:45:16,000 Absolutely adored how this match played out as Ripley attempts a riptide from the top rope 862 01:45:16,000 --> 01:45:23,000 But Io counters with a super horror kanrana, which was flawlessly done by the way 863 01:45:23,000 --> 01:45:29,000 I mean we'd expect nothing less from the Queen of the Sky herself 864 01:45:29,000 --> 01:45:36,000 And then we see Io Sky hits over the moonsault to win the match 865 01:45:36,000 --> 01:45:42,000 Sticky icing on the cake to become, well I don't take it away 866 01:45:42,000 --> 01:45:52,000 Yeah, she comes out of that match with the win, which was the one thing we didn't really expect to happen 867 01:45:52,000 --> 01:46:02,000 This close to Mania, it is incredibly unusual for titles to change hands on that final run to wrestle Mania 868 01:46:02,000 --> 01:46:07,000 It's not that it's never been done, it just doesn't happen very often 869 01:46:07,000 --> 01:46:10,000 It's a common thing to have done 870 01:46:10,000 --> 01:46:22,000 And we know now at WrestleMania, Io Sky will face Bianca Belair as a very first title defence of this reign 871 01:46:22,000 --> 01:46:32,000 I'm going to be honest with you, I've got a feeling Bianca is going to walk out of WrestleMania with Io being the holder 872 01:46:32,000 --> 01:46:42,000 I'm not going to count Io out, because they've got to be careful, they don't fall into the same traps that they've done before 873 01:46:42,000 --> 01:46:52,000 Not saying it definitely won't happen, because there is still a very real possibility that Bianca Belair walks out of Mania with a title over her shoulder 874 01:46:52,000 --> 01:47:03,000 But at the same time, it's a case that Bianca is embroiled in all of this drama around Jade Cargill, there's no chance, there can't be any 875 01:47:03,000 --> 01:47:10,000 Can't rule out that that's not going to play a part in the WrestleMania match at the same time 876 01:47:10,000 --> 01:47:26,000 There's so many variables here, but the big story out of this is that Rhea Ripley essentially has lost out on a chance of main eventing this Rhea's WrestleMania in Las Vegas 877 01:47:26,000 --> 01:47:33,000 Which was something we honestly did not see come in, and she does not take this loss well 878 01:47:33,000 --> 01:47:35,000 I mean would you? 879 01:47:35,000 --> 01:47:47,000 I mean no, and ordinarily we used to seeing the champion blaming outside influence if there was outside interference sort of thing 880 01:47:47,000 --> 01:47:56,000 So she could have sat there quite easily and blamed Io for beating her, or Bianca for getting involved or anything like that 881 01:47:56,000 --> 01:48:05,000 But we see in an interview that was conducted once Raw had gone off air, I remember actually sending this video of it to you Richard 882 01:48:05,000 --> 01:48:21,000 When I saw it on social media, it's a case that we, I've got an odd feeling that we're going to see a version of Mummy in the run up to WrestleMania that just has no self confidence anymore 883 01:48:21,000 --> 01:48:24,000 There's definitely a very strong possibility 884 01:48:24,000 --> 01:48:29,000 They needed to do some character development for Rhea 885 01:48:29,000 --> 01:48:39,000 She's been a stable powerhouse for too long, not for too long, but she's been champion for a long time 886 01:48:39,000 --> 01:48:55,000 But maybe Io can give us a bit of a change with her ruler, like with her being in charge of the division, we might actually get some different types of things that we wouldn't necessarily have got from having Rhea in charge 887 01:48:55,000 --> 01:49:07,000 Yeah, I mean all's possible, but at the point of broadcast we are 47 nights away until the start of WrestleMania weekend 888 01:49:07,000 --> 01:49:13,000 Now, I'm not and percent certain where that puts us for 889 01:49:13,000 --> 01:49:15,000 21st of April 890 01:49:15,000 --> 01:49:30,000 For when we're recording this as it goes, but it's a case that, so, 47, so when we're recording this we are 41 nights, I've got 41 891 01:49:30,000 --> 01:49:33,000 We're 40-ish 892 01:49:33,000 --> 01:49:47,000 Yeah, just over 49th away from the start of WrestleMania weekend, which I mean is already shaping up to be an instant classic, let's face it 893 01:49:47,000 --> 01:49:49,000 Certainly is 894 01:49:49,000 --> 01:50:00,000 But we will leave WrestleMania when we get to WrestleMania, we've got the build up to enjoy for the next 40 days, so that will be an incredible journey 895 01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:05,000 The first one we've done on the road to WrestleMania was for finishes and factions 896 01:50:05,000 --> 01:50:22,000 Yeah, definitely, and who knows, we may even come up with some ideas for some bonus content along the way, but we'll leave that as it goes, but it's a case that I think I've certainly run out of notes here, Rich, have you got anything else? 897 01:50:22,000 --> 01:50:27,000 Nope, my notes are done mate, my notes are finished, so I think 898 01:50:27,000 --> 01:50:33,000 Right, in which case, I think it's time to sign off this episode of finishes and factions does raw 899 01:50:33,000 --> 01:50:44,000 We thank obviously every last one of you for making it through to the end, and it's a case that, yeah, I mean we've got our next episode that comes out will be 900 01:50:44,000 --> 01:51:04,000 Finishes and factions does NXT, which I mean, we've sitting here recording this, we've both already watched NXT, we know what happens, but we're really looking forward to being able to talk about it a little bit more, because I think we're going to see some 901 01:51:04,000 --> 01:51:23,000 We're possibly going to see some very opposing opinions of how this all plays out, and there's definitely some bits and pieces to talk to, so we look forward to seeing you then, but I think for now we say farewell and see you all soon 902 01:51:23,000 --> 01:51:35,000 Peace out, enjoy. 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