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And welcome back to part three of finishes and factions does elimination chamber with myself Rich and as with the other two parts, Adam's here too.
Hello mate, so this is the final part of our coverage of elimination chamber. We've done the two chamber matches, they are live, you can listen to them if you haven't already what the hell have you been doing.
And this is where we cover the rest of the pay-per-view essentially. So everything that happens before and after the elimination of Rage Stries.
Yeah, so we'll skirt over the elimination chamber matches make up the first and last matches of the card. We've still got another two matches.
Yes, so we've got the Trish Stratus Tiffany Stratton versus Nia Jax and Candice Leray. Tag match. We then have of course that spectacular Kevin Owen, Sammy Zane and sanctioned match.
And then once we went from the sanctioned match, it went into the men's elimination chamber and then we got to see from the American nightmare and others at the end of the pay-per-view.
So this is likely not to be the longest episode in the world just because there is a very little for us to cover, but it just gives us an opportunity to maybe discuss the two matches we've got to cover in a little bit more detail.
Yeah, no, of course. And then obviously there's a few other bits that happened in between the matches and things that we'll discuss as well, let the interviews and whatnot.
So without further ado, if we dive straight in otherwise we're going to have explained everything to do with the pay-per-view and nothing to do with it.
Yeah, so we start off with as you open up into the Rogers Centre, we get our first bits of information. They let us know that it was the first place outside of the USA to hold a WrestleMania.
And we know that being WrestleMania 6.
Yes, WrestleMania 6 in 1990 and Toronto also hosted WrestleMania 18 in 2002.
Yeah, so we then get like a just more of an introduction as to who's in the building and a little bit of information about sort of why they're there.
Before we go into the first Elimination Chamber match, which was the women's Elimination Chamber match, which episode is, as you said, live, we then got an advert for Intuit Turbo Tax, who I'm guessing was a sponsor of the pay-per-view,
including the WWE Women's Champion Tiffany Stratton, who we've both said off stream probably has never done her taxes or would know what tax was.
So I thought it was a bit of a weird choice for her to be in an advert for taxes.
But yeah, definitely a strange one for me, but it was there all the same. Where did it go from there, Ed?
So you have a bit more information on all the different bits and pieces that go on with this as it goes, the little BTs that they have for different sponsors to do with it,
WrestleMania, because we're on the road to WrestleMania, I'm sure there were WrestleMania bits and pieces in there as well.
There was one with Jey Uso and an announcement about the WWE World, which looked like it was a Comic-Con style event for wrestling in Las Vegas during the WrestleMania week.
So I think the world thing is it's more like an experience, you can go in and experience to a certain degree what it is like to be a WWE superstar, which you know what, I'd probably take full advantage of it.
I'd probably still use it to be for the WrestleMania days.
For us to go to Las Vegas, I did look into it, for us to go to WrestleMania for the two nights, accommodation, flights and everything else, it was about 10 grand.
And that was for us to sit so far up that we'd need binoculars, which were 24 US dollars for a ship. So yeah, it was going to cost us a fair chunk of money.
So we won't be going to WrestleMania anytime soon.
No, not until it at least makes it over here into the UK.
Yeah, come on, Hunter. Don't need New Orleans, need London.
Yeah, following the Women's Elimination Chamber match, they did a few facts about WWE Toronto, which was this is like the 12th PLE that they did in Toronto itself.
They mentioned about the WrestleMania's, which we mentioned about a moment ago.
And this is actually the second time Elimination Chamber has been in Canada overall.
The first time was back in back in 2023 when Elimination Chamber was in Montreal.
Who won that one?
I don't know, I'm sure I researched it at the time, I just didn't make a note of who won it.
I've then grouped, so when WWE do PLEs, they mention about different celebs.
I'm going to use air quotations and say celebrities only because I don't know who any of these ones were.
They don't run in the same circle of things that I have a tendency to watch.
One of the stars that was there was a Grammy Award nominated rapper, singer and songwriter called Nav.
Don't ever recall hearing anything that he's ever put out, but if he's been Grammy nominated, I'm sure he's at least half decent.
The information I'm getting about the 2023 Elimination Chamber, I think it's a little bit confused because it's telling me Austin Theory won it to retain the United States title.
Yeah, I don't think that's quite right, so may I?
But yeah, some of the other stars, there was somebody called Andrew.
Andrew Funi, a star of Kim's Convenience and Run the Burbs. There was a lot of Netflix show stars here.
I don't think Andrew Funi was one of them, but Robbie Amell, who stars in Code 8 and Code 8 Part 2, as well as Italia Richie, star of Designated Survivor.
Not heard of any of them, so all the programs, which is a little bit concerning to be fair considering how much TV I watch, but WWE now being on Netflix, most of my entertainment consumption does come from Netflix.
Yeah, I can't say that.
Yeah, no, I don't recognise any of them. The only one I sort of recognised was Robbie Amell. Not because I've ever seen him in anything, but it's more so because I recognise his last name.
But I recognise his last name normally when it's followed by, I think that's sure his name's Stephen Amell, who played Arrow in the TV series Arrow.
But yeah, those were the stars in attendance that I made a note of.
So before the Trish Stratus, Trish Stratus, Tiffany Stratton match, we had a VT promo showing a clip from Unforgiven 2006, where they showed Trish Stratus using the sharpshooter to beat Leta to win her seventh woman's title.
That VT made me feel incredibly old.
Yes, it did me as well. Now, the only thing that I would say about that is that this was back in a time when women's wrestling was not getting the sort of minutes that they get now.
But to me, I just want to throw it out there that if women's wrestling from the Attitude Era got the screen time it does now, we wouldn't be able to have it on Netflix because it wouldn't be rated PG, it would be rated R.
And Xavier Woods would be trying to make a lot more title plays.
Yeah, true.
But yeah, it was odd to me why they chose that clip in particular.
I'm sure there was a really good reason behind choosing that particular clip.
Isn't she the only person to hold the type women's title that many times? Like this record breaking, so surely her getting the pin for that specific win would make that point be that clip be worth it.
Possibly.
If that's the theory I'd go with it anyway, if that's set in the record of the most times that title's ever been held by one specific competitor, then the best clip to use would be that last pin, which unfortunately was the last win, which is the move on Lita.
Yeah, this is true.
I don't know how you could submit from a sharpshooter though. It's one of those moves that does not look like it hurts.
I did once let the bold bastard lock in a figure eight on me in the front room of the old house in Klamath when we lived there.
And I've never felt pain like it.
And to be fair, considering the bold bastard was such a big bloke, I didn't think he'd be able to do it, but he locked that in.
Or, oh yeah, no, that hurts. I can see why people tap to that one.
So does that mean that we need to get somebody to put a sharpshooter on you to see how it compares?
Yeah, why not? Brett Hart, try it out. Let's go for a sharpshooter.
See if your back can take it before mine does. I'd go to Canada just to get sharpshooted by the hitman.
Yeah, you'll be voted to be fair. I can't say I'd turn that shit down.
Make sure the podcast got a credit card to pay for it just so I could eliminate the debt at the end of it.
I'm joking. I wouldn't commit fraud.
Oh dear.
Talk about fraud though. It does lead quite nicely into this next match between Trish Stratus and Tiffie Stratton against Nia Jax and Candice Larray.
Because once again, Candice Larray felt like a fraud in this match.
I don't know. She seemed to do a hell of a lot more than Nia Jax did.
But as it stands, yeah, we had a...
As with all matches at PLEs, we have a rather lengthy BT telling the history of how we got to this match.
And not that we need a bit of a problem.
You guys need it because if you've been listening to the podcast episodes, you know it as well as we do.
Yeah.
If you haven't been listening to the podcast episodes, what have you been doing?
Go back and listen to the name. We'll wait.
We'll pause right here and come back.
Yeah.
Right. Now you've listened to them all but for back.
And we've got to match two on the card.
Match one was the women's elimination chamber.
This is match two, the women's tag match between Trish, which sees Trishie and Tiffie time versus the team of Nia Jax and Candice Larray.
Trishie time.
I'm getting fed up with it now.
Yeah.
We shouldn't see any more of it from him.
Not Trishie and Tiffie time at least.
No, go back to just being Tiffie time.
She's got a worried about Charlotte Flair now.
This is true. This is true.
But yeah, I mean, I know me and you have very differing opinions when it comes to this match.
It's that I didn't mind it.
It was a nice bit of nostalgia to see Trish Stratus back in the ring again after so long.
I mean, she's had a 25 year WWE career and this was the first time that her kids were able to see her wrestle live.
They've apparently seen it on TV before but never actually been there in person, which I find like, completely mad.
The one thing I found completely mad is they dropped the one statistic that says that Trish Stratus has never lost a tag match in Canada.
Yeah.
Now I'm guessing over a career that long, she's had a few.
I didn't research too much. I'm not going to lie to you, but I'm guessing there's been a few.
So not to have lost any in Canada is quite an impressive feat.
So yeah, again, it's a case that when Trish Stratus was wrestling regularly, the women's matches used to be five, six minutes, including entries.
So it was a case that they weren't very long.
They were probably about the same length as a squash match.
I was just about to go with that.
And yeah, I mean, I took a few notes for this, just sort of tried to cherry pick some of the best bits I could out of this match.
Because again, I didn't mind the match. It was nice, but nostalgia.
But I found it quite, I said the nostalgia trip was nice.
I'm just, I didn't find myself getting as connected with this match as I really wish I had have done or my teenage self would have done.
I just, yeah, it just didn't something didn't click for me.
Yeah.
So the one thing that I've noticed in this match more so, and I can't really explain it was I don't feel that considering Nia Jax is the main person.
Out of the opposing pair, out of her and Candice Leray.
Candice Leray did a lot of the, I'll call it heavy lifting on this match.
She didn't, Nia Jax came in decimated and then tagged Candice Leray back in to try and finish it off.
It was, I'm not going to call it lazy because they had some good minutes on this match.
It was quite a decently length match and it was certainly longer than Trish Stratus has ever wrestled in a life in a single match.
And you can tell by the end of it she was gassed.
Yeah. I mean, again, Trish Stratus is cracking on for 50 years old, mate.
Yeah, of course.
She's no spring chicken.
Like it was pointed out, like this woman was someone we had posters of on Bedridden Wolves.
So it's the young adults, sort of teenagers ourselves.
We're both in our mid 30s now.
So it's very much like, I'm closer to mid 30s than Adam is, but we're not too far shy.
One of us is closer to his mid 30s than the other one.
Yeah. But for her to still be able to get into the ring and do that, there are things that I did in my teenage years that I can't do now.
So and that's half the gap.
So yeah, fair play to her.
She's still put on a what was in theory a very good exhibition match.
Oh, definitely. And she proved that she can still go.
Whether it's the end of this run has culminated at Elimination Chamber or whether we'll see more of her in ring is something I look forward to seeing.
I just don't think that much gave us the best Trish Stratus we could have got.
I think what we'll find is we'll find Trish Stratus will be wheeled out every time the WWE makes an approach on Canada.
As soon as they're within the vicinity, she's not going to go on like European tours and shit like that anymore.
It's not going to be a case that she's going to be a full time competitor. She will very much be part time I fail.
Oh, yeah.
Because a lot of the income now, I think she's a fitness star of some kind or something like that.
I think I'm sure she does like just pretty well out of like fitness instruction, instruction videos and YouTube and stuff like that probably.
Yeah. But there was no fitness. There was no fitness instruction in this. I mean, she spent a good majority of her time,
especially when Nia Jax actually graced the ring with her presence. It was a case that Jax was just ragging her about mostly by her hair.
Yep.
That seemed to be the go to that.
It's the Healy Move though, isn't it?
It is a Healy Move, but yeah.
I feel that Nia Jax didn't get overly involved in this match because Trish Stratus was in this match.
It's a case that the WWE doesn't want to sort of send one of their Hall of Famers off with several injuries because they've been,
for lack of a better way of putting it, crushed by a whole lot of human.
If it were a case that Trish Stratus had gone one on one with Tiffany Straton, different cattle of fish.
Yeah. I think we would have seen Nia in an interference angle anyway if that was the way it was going purely because of that bully heel roll.
Yeah. She's playing that bully heel roll. She does play it well as much as that's all she can play.
One trick pony can do something that one trick well.
One person we haven't really mentioned in this at all is Tiffany Straton herself as the women's champion.
I feel like she should at least get some kind of honourable mention.
And I mean, Tiffany Straton managed to pull off a spine buster to Nia Jax.
Yes. Which is the end of this match.
It's not something you would have expected to see, but you also, we've seen her not necessarily in this match that I can remember,
but in other matches, hip tossing Nia Jax.
Like, she is not, she may be petite and nimble and agile, but she's definitely got some power behind it.
Yeah. She's got a lot of lean muscle that you don't see.
Like, you're thinking of, I'm trying to think, like, you think of like past stars and present stars and people like
Ronda Rosie, very, very sort of bulky woman.
Even like, Jane Cargill.
Jane Cargill, Jordan Grace.
That was the name you were trying to think of for my next team. They're very well chiseled, bulky women.
Where you see you expect them to be bench pressing the likes of Nia Jax and the bigger superstars,
but you don't expect to see that from somebody who's a gymnast.
I'm not going to say just a gymnast, but, you know, her trade is professional gymnast.
Gym. Yeah.
In fairness, it's a case that gymnasts find my own experience of incredibly strong as it is anyway.
So this is taking nothing away from gymnasts. It's just that to look at them,
if you were to take them purely on face value,
I feel like there's a story here.
You wouldn't have expected that.
Well, I feel like there's a story there for after the podcast.
No.
Gotcha.
Yeah. Other than that, I mean, we do end up with the predictable ending to this match is that
Trish and Tiffany do end up walking out with the victory over Nia Jax and Candice Loray.
I think that was pretty predictable, though. You could have put money on that.
They were not going to have Trish Stratus lose in a hometown.
And if they'd have put another loss on Tiffany Stratton as well,
it would really kill her pushing to WrestleMania for her match against Charlotte.
Yeah, very much so.
So we would make no reasonable sense to have her doing anything like that realistically.
As you will know from our previous episodes, we've got favourites.
And Tiffany Stratton may not be one of our favourites, but compared to Charlotte Flair,
we love Tiffy Stratton.
So we definitely want her to make sure she retains her title at WrestleMania and doesn't give it back to Charlotte.
Even though I will say, slightly out of context, slightly not,
I have seen a video clip of Rick Flair in wrestling gear at an event.
Apparently, the storyline after one of his recent tweets about over his dead body
will see him break his title record.
And apparently he's getting back in the ring and training.
I'm like, oh no, dear God, please do not introduce Rick Flair into the mix here.
Don't get me wrong, he did some matches in TNA when he went to TNA because I remember watching them.
He did. He did some work at AW as well.
Never in ring.
Never in ring, no, but...
I was always... but the stuff he did in ring at TNA, I was always really impressed by.
But that was considering how old he was then.
Yeah, but he was there more often than he wasn't.
He hasn't been in TNA in ten years.
Right, but this guy is 17, 18 years of age, right?
So the best we're probably going to see from Rick Flair, if anything, does come of it,
is him probably running and slap Cena with a chair,
but he might need a mobility scooter to get down to the ring before the match finishes,
because he doesn't look like he can walk that well these days.
Yeah, I think it's all bluster. I don't think we're ever going to see...
I don't want to see it. I'm not going to lie.
Yeah, I don't think anybody wants to see Rick Flair re-enter a WWE ring at this point.
Anyway, we'll move on from there.
Next up we had a VT showing the Rock, his role and impact as part of TKO's board of directors,
basically trying to illustrate more so the point of the doors that he could open for Cody Rhodes,
if Cody Rhodes accepts his offer of selling in his soul later on in the card.
Yeah, it was almost like...
It was a very corn-poly sort of look at me, I'm a philanthropist sort of.
Yes, very much that sort of character that we're trying to play in, as...
And look at all the good that I do for everybody else, this is what I could do for Cody.
But why Cody? Like, out of all the people the Rock could, you know, boost up through the rankings,
you know, all the low-hanging fruit that he knows or take that offer,
why pick the one guy he's got a gut feeling might not?
You know, like there's a 50-50 chance that he might not.
Maybe that's it. Maybe that's it. Maybe it's the fact there is a chance that he won't
and it presents a challenge to him, whereas you're right, he could go to some more of the undercarders
and give them the same offer and they'd snap his hand off there and there.
I'm pretty sure if you turn around to the miss and said,
look, I'll help you out. I'll help you get a title, right?
But you're going to be mine, right? Like, I own you. You do as I tell you.
Miss would sell his soul and his asshole in seconds.
Yeah, he wouldn't even necessarily sell it. He'd just give it away.
But it's the same for anybody. You could go to the likes of like Akira Tazawa, Otis,
that sort of level. And if he turns to them and says,
I could make you WWE Champion in six weeks,
you're like, fuck yeah.
Yeah, well, I think there's a name there.
So I believe that I haven't watched Monday Night Raw yet. I know you have.
Yes.
Does Otis have a match against Gunther?
Because I've seen a clip online and apparently those two are trading slaps
and it sounded like God himself had come into the arena and just bitch slapped one of them.
So yes, that does occur. And if you want to hear more about that,
you can wait for the episode on Monday Night Raw.
And you can.
In fact, we'll be releasing next.
So yeah, we then go into the mandatory VT showing how we got to the unsanctioned match
between Sami Zayn and Kevin Owens that normally precedes said unsanctioned match.
Again, if you want to hear about the history that was there,
go back and listen to the episodes. You had a chance.
You should have listened to them by now.
So we shouldn't have to go over this again.
No. And I don't know about you, but outside of the elimination chamber matches,
which I was stoked for do not get me wrong.
This was on paper.
If you if you were to hand me the match card and be like, right, pick a match of the night on paper,
this was the one I would have chosen.
This is what had me the most hyped for elimination chamber was this match purely for how well they built it up.
So I went I went into this match not not not necessarily not knowing what to expect because we've seen
Sami Zayn and Kevin Owens tee off against each other a lot over the years.
And it's a case that I knew full well what to expect, but I wasn't.
I couldn't have got it sort of play by play and certainly didn't know.
For certain who was going to walk out of this with a hand raised.
Now, I got from the start of this match to the end of this match and managed to take well over a page worth of notes.
You'll stop this much alone.
Yeah, I have an obscene amount of notes on this much.
So my notes normally is, you know, we talk about how we set things up.
My notes normally quite play by play.
I like to try and get as much information as I can from the matches that have that have got me really really interested and intrigued into what's going on.
And you can tell what I thought of a match by my notes on a match.
Because the more I enjoy it, the more the more notes there are.
The less I enjoy it, the less I write down because I'm normally kind of like I'll be back in a second and I'll go for a pee or something like that.
And then I don't forget to write anything that I have seen.
But yeah, I pretty much managed to call this play by play for a lot of it.
And yeah, I couldn't take my I had to move my phone where it was leaning.
For some reason, I was watching it on my phone making notes on my PC.
Well, I could have just put it on another monitor and watched it on the PC.
Which is exactly what I did.
But yeah, no, it's very much a case with this match.
It was I made a note every time a new tool made its way into somebody's hand sort of thing, as you'll see.
Yeah, I did the same thing.
So an unsanctioned match isn't a match type that we see very often.
And it's a very, very good reason.
We have seen one recently, though.
And that was at NXT vengeance day between Ethan Page and Javan Evans.
But that is the most recent one outside of this match that I called, by the way.
Just right now, if you haven't seen that episode, then you know what to do.
I'm not going to repeat myself.
Yeah, so for this one, this was the like, we've had two in up until sort of like the first week of March.
So it was when we won't see too many more for a while.
But yeah, this this definitely had written exactly what was going to happen.
Carnage.
With an unsanctioned match, there aren't any rules.
The ref is there just to just to call a submission or counter pinfall.
Or check to see if you're still conscious.
I don't even think they go to that extent, to be quite honest.
It is a case they are that it's a match type that can get really uncomfortable as time goes on,
especially as you look, you essentially come to the realization that these guys are,
for lack of a better way of putting it, beating the living hell out of one another
with anything and everything they can find.
We'll just take it into an example at the start of this one.
It literally just starts off with these two beating the living hell out of each other.
Yeah, so, I mean, Kevin Owens was the first to go for a weapon,
but I did take note that Sami Zayn was the first one to actually get one.
So, I remember correctly, Kevin Owens went under the ring for a weapon Sami Zayn interfered.
Ah, yes, and then Sami got the chower.
Yeah.
So, Zayn was the first one to get a weapon, but Owens, oddly, was the first one to actually use it.
Yeah. It was really odd.
So, Kevin Owens went under the ring to get a weapon, Sami Zayn interfered,
then Sami Zayn went under, successfully retrieved a weapon, but it wasn't Sami Zayn.
So, he threw some chairs into the ring, and then as he got into the ring to pick one up,
Kevin basically just batted him a few times with a steel chair.
Kevin Owens also managed to hit himself with the chair.
You know what?
This was one of those things that you wanted someone to do for so long.
Because it is one of them things that you know if they miss a chair shot, it could happen.
But the fact he bounced the chair off the rope smashed himself in the forehead and he dropped his own ass.
Like, at least he dropped himself in the middle of the ring.
Or, with the chair shot.
We've all done stupid shit like this before.
It's a case that whether you've done it on purpose or whether you've done it accidentally,
it fucking hurts and you end up sitting there for at least a minute thinking,
what a fucking scumbag I am, like, seriously.
You know what? I'd rather the steel chair to myself than my son knocking me out a few weeks ago.
That was a...
Yeah, no. Getting head-butted by a seven-year-old is not fun.
But, yeah, we had other weapons that were bought into you,
so it wouldn't be a Canadian unsanctioned...
No, it certainly wasn't.
But yeah, though, it wouldn't be a Canadian unsanctioned match
without at least bringing at least one hockey stick into it.
The use of that hockey stick was ruthless.
Oh, 100%. But what truly sort of took this to the level that...
Or what truly let us know that this was an unsanctioned match was that...
Kevin Owens actually bit Sammy Zane at one point.
Like, he was biting him all the way.
I wasn't just imagining that. I thought I was just imagining that.
That was actually a thing.
Yeah, he did. He only did it at one point in the match.
It wasn't something he kept going back to.
But, yes, Kevin Owens bit Sammy Zane on the face.
Bystanders.
This was not a, like, your standard grudge match.
These guys wanted to tear each other apart,
physically send each other back to their own families in their own caskets.
Like, this was war.
Yeah. I mean, there was...
I struggled to think of any weapons that we don't normally see
that didn't come out in this.
It's a case that we had...
I think between the two of them,
they put each other through at least four tables during the course of this match.
Yeah, so they had tables.
There was countless chairs that were warped, broken, beaten,
one that was introduced quite late in the match that was pre-wrapped in barbed wire.
Yeah, I feel like...
I feel like...
That may have been planted there.
I feel like Mick Foley had something.
And was there at least in spirit doing something like that.
Definitely a homage to the Hardcore...
What's the king of Hardcore, Mick Foley?
I actually put in my notes at some point that it felt like...
I was just like, oh, Hardcore match.
Like, it knew as soon as you saw that,
the shit was about to go, tka-kaw.
Yeah, this was...
Once we'd gotten to the point, I think,
I'm just trying to track through my notes.
Because if I went through and literally did every single one of my notes,
I'd be calling it play by play pretty much.
Well, there was a...
Pardon me, there was quite a big whoopsy that went on a little bit,
sort of like halfway through the match, so to speak.
Actually, I'm going to disagree with your comment on the tables too, there was five.
There was two on the outside, we're never fighting out there.
You had the two that were stacked together,
and then the one that Sammy Zane sets up at the end that Kevin puts them through.
But yeah, that's irrelevant.
So, at one point, you've got Kevin in the corner,
the ref, whose name was used quite a lot that I can't remember the first...
I'm going to say the first ref, you'll understand what I mean in a second.
Sammy lines up a hallouva kick on Kevin.
Kevin pulls the ref in the way, Sammy hallouva kicks the living chops off the ref,
puts him down and out.
Which was interesting, I always love watching a ref get destroyed.
And then you ended up with Charles Robinson coming running out into the arena.
And then he gets completely destroyed with a clothesline.
And then they brought out a third referee that looked like he basically
shit himself on the way down to the ring and was not getting involved in whatever was happening in that ring during the time.
So we saw a space of, is it three referees within 60 seconds at this point?
Yeah, so one ref gets taken out by the hallouva kick, KO...
Clotheslines, Charles Robinson, pretty hard.
The only reason Charles Robinson comes down to the ring other than leaving them in the ring with no official was the fact that
KO hits a stunner onto Sammy Zane, goes for a cover, but because he's had the ref take now...
There's no ref to count it.
Charles Robinson manages to come down and achieve a two count on what should have been a three count realistically.
I thought the crowd were counting and they'd got up to seven, so yeah, he was dead and buried at that point.
And KO put down poor Charles Robinson who just came down to pretty much take the place of his annihilated colleague.
And then as Rich got annihilated himself at which point a third ref comes down to make sure Charles Robinson's not dead.
Yeah, so just before that I did make a note that Sammy Zane got sent through a chair in the middle of the ring off a brain buster.
So it's not very often we see a lot of these moves.
Kevin is the only one that's kind of getting away with them at the moment.
We did see, I think it was Jordan Grace hit a muscle buster a couple of weeks ago on, well last week I think it was on their next team, possibly the week before.
But we're seeing a lot of these moves get pushed back in that we've not seen for a long time, although band moves for a long time.
They were band moves because they were being used too often by wrestlers that didn't really have the experience to be able to pull them off.
And it's their two, their moves that if they're done properly they look brutal, but if you take care of your opponent as you're supposed to then nobody gets injured.
But in the heat of battle once you're in the ring you're sweating like there's no tomorrow.
It's a case that mistakes are easy to make and when you're dealing with moves that literally your opponent has to put their full trust in you.
Some of these moves just aren't worth using.
Oh no definitely, I'm sure as well that they're told you know do not do such and such, our insurance doesn't cover it.
So you know insurance medical care is obviously if they're injured in ring then WWE pay for it.
If they're injured training or doing something outside of the ring then WWE like tough shit mate, you've got a huge medical bill to pay.
Yeah, people don't only that but WWE are now, didn't always used to be this way but all wrestlers have got what they call a downside guarantee.
Which basically gives them a set amount of money, the basela it's like a minimum wage essentially.
But each wrestler has their own downside guarantee based on what they negotiate to get their last contract.
So like for instance some of the bigger names will have probably a couple of millers their downside guarantee.
Whereas some of the smaller names you're probably looking at somewhere between $500,000 to $750,000 a year.
But obviously out of that they've all got to pay their travel and accommodation and food and all their expenses.
They don't get any of those back.
They only get paid if they show up on the programming they're supposed to be on.
Which is why you probably see a lot of these guys try and get on, like we've seen recently with Bayley and Roxanne Perez they've been on all three shows.
For a couple of weeks trying to bump their paycheck an extra match and if they can for extra appearance sales, match sales, meeting greets, it's all a way of making money.
Which is in theory what they're there to do. Yes it's great we get entertained by it and entertained we were in this match.
They've still got to pay bills at the end of it.
Yeah this is it. But if we swing back to the match a little bit.
So after having gone through a complete menagerie of different weapons that have been used including plane chairs, barbed wire chairs, hockey sticks, ring bells, trash cans, tables.
We even got ECW chance as well.
Yes yes we did. That was the barbed wire chair if I remember correctly.
It was that comes out and all you get is ECW type of thing to have there for it to be fair.
But yeah it's we get towards the end of this match and we've got officials coming down to the map leading with the pair to put an end to it.
Because it's getting to the point that while WWE washed their hands of all responsibility they also want to keep having these people that are drawing people in to house shows and TV tapings so they can come and watch Kevin Owens and Sam Zayn.
After that hell of a match they had that was you know all over the internet.
Yeah it's a case that they want to be able to still say you can still come and see Kevin Owens perform live on and Sam Zayn perform live as well.
Yeah trying to dodge spoilers for this match was impossible on Tiktok I tell you.
I managed to avoid any spoilers for this match so I went into this match with completely unspoiled more or less.
I'd seen a result but I'd seen a move.
The only spoiler that I had seen comes up in a little while but after the officials are out leading we've got they're still sort of last gas attempts to try and win this.
Owens is hitting package pile drivers on the concrete and...
Sam Zayn manages to hit a blue thunderbomb through the three chairs though for a two count at some point so he's not completely out of this.
It hasn't turned into a Kevin Owens is just kicking the shit out of Sam Zayn match to the extreme.
Don't get me wrong he's all over him but Kevin Owens is running around this ring like he's P Diddy in a bottle with a bottle of baby oil.
But Sam Zayn's fighting back and he does pull off some horrific moves in the process of trying to fight back.
But Kevin Owens is just a cut above the rest unfortunately.
He really focuses in on Sam Zayn's neck which we know is not 100%.
Even Sammy is trying to show us that through the match as well where he was tapping his arms and trying to be like they're not working.
What's going on? Why am I not feeling as strong as I should be?
Yeah this is it but Kevin Owens eventually walks out with a win for this one.
And he gets a double power bomb off and yeah he looks like he's just setting up for another package power drive or a pop-up power bomb when we hear another set of music hit the arena.
We do, we hear voices.
And that can only mean one person.
Adam who came who made their return at Elimination Chamber this year?
So in Elimination Chamber this year we had the return of Randy Orton, the viper who had been out on injury for a good couple of months actually.
On the back of receiving one of these package power drivers from Kevin Owens.
We know where this one's going and Kevin Owens and Randy Orton are going to have a showdown so to speak.
Kevin's had some big brutal matches recently so I'm not sure if throwing him into another feud straight away is a great idea or whether he's going to need a little bit of time off before we see him jump straight back into a ring especially.
You've got to think his last couple of matches, like especially at PLEs, he's had an unsanctioned match at Elimination Chamber and then he had that match against Cody Rhodes at Royal Rumble where he got absolutely obliterated.
He's had two, yeah two huge matches recently, especially at the time we've been doing this podcast.
Well even in the last month he's had two huge matches.
Yeah this is it but it's all of his own doing.
One of the things I did note about Randy Orton's return on this one was the pop that he got.
The pop when voices hit it was like, oh shit.
And was it just me, I think Randy Orton, when Randy Orton actually came out one of the things that I noticed it was a case that he seemed like he was in phenomenal shape considering how old he is.
Yeah I was about to say he's stacked still.
Yeah well I think he was 26 when he made his debut on WWE, might have been a little bit younger and he's always been well built but the guy's racking up his years.
You know to put it kindly.
And Randy Orton is 44 years old.
And he's in better shape than I've ever been.
Yeah I've never taken off my shirt and looked like Randy Orton.
Trust me I'd love to be able to get to that point but I like donuts too much, pizza then fizzy drinks.
Pizza's a bit of a stumbling block for me as well.
I'm sat here with a pint of Dr Pepper as it goes.
I bought myself another bottle of tango because I finished the original one and left it in the fucking kitchen.
And then when I started the podcast normally it's on the floor of my feet and I reached down for the bottle and the empty one was there and I was like, oh no.
Dickhead.
And as soon as we wrap this episode up which we've still got a fair chunk to do, I'm going to be going to grab that.
Yeah so we'll finish off the Kevin Owens match coverage just with a few bits from when Randy Orton comes in.
So Randy Orton makes his normal sort of calm collected entrance into the ring very much showing why he is called the Viper.
He's very much coiled waiting to go and he wears off.
In fairness to Kevin Owens, despite the war that he has just been through.
He's still like legging him to get into the ring.
You can barely stand there when Kevin Owens is like, alright mate, come on fuck it, let's go.
Randy Orton's fresh as a daisy mate and he goes in and pulls off an RKO really rather quickly.
And even so we're talking about forbidden moves.
Oh he went for the pun.
He went for the pun kick.
And was ended up being stopped by, but he ended up being rugby tackled by a few different WWE officials.
Kevin Owens got lucky with that one.
I think obviously like Kevin Owens injured Randy.
Randy as we said is getting on a bit.
Injuries take longer to heal when you get older.
He's been benched up.
He's got a lot of pent up aggression there.
What I think we're going to see is a face Randy Orton versus a heel Kevin Owens.
But I think he's going to be like a, it's going to be like a, you can't, he's not going to be overly face.
He's going to have some healing moments to go with it, but a majority of what he's going to be within that storyline.
I think it's going to be more facing than healing.
He's going to be a bit of an anti hero.
And we see that, we see that sort of as it goes through this little bit because Kevin Owens is spirited away to try and go and basically get some deep memories in his injuries.
And Orton just is fed a line of security guards and each one of them gets an RKO as they go through.
I mean, even fakes one out, off of him a handshake is like, nope, psych.
Gotcha. But we've seen Randy Orton pull off some incredible RKOs over the year.
My favorite one's always been on the Evan Bourne, but I know yours was the Seth Rollins one, wouldn't it?
So mine was always the Evan Bourne, but everybody does always bring up the Seth Rollins curb stomp into a, into an RKO,
which with both of them are beautifully done, but at the Evan Bourne one,
it was one of those ones that they tried getting right and they couldn't get it right.
And it was a case that on the day of the match, they were, as they were setting up for it, it was like, yeah, fuck it, let's just go for it.
If it works, it works. If it doesn't, we're dead. Yeah.
Pretty much.
Thankfully managed to sort it out. They managed to get it all done.
And yeah, like, but yeah, I mean, this was a side, if aside from like the Chamber matches, which are the main attraction,
this was what we were looking forward to. And I don't think anybody was disappointed with the stuff.
If they were disappointed with what they got, then I don't think they're wrestling fans,
because they were there for the beatdown, not for the story behind it.
No, this is it. This is it.
Then we went into the men's elimination chamber again.
The episode is out in anywhere that we can possibly get it to just at the moment.
And we're going to do a little bit more coverage along the lens in this episode,
only because it feeds directly into the last part.
Now, last few weeks, we've had or last few weeks, or is it just a week?
I'm finding it so difficult to keep track of time.
It feels like it's been going on for months, but I know it's only been really kind of going on for the last.
We had it, I think it was a week ago, SmackDown.
So I think he asked originally on the one SmackDown, he then had the recap of it on Raw,
the recap of it on the following SmackDown, and then it was elimination chamber.
So I think we've been getting it fed to us for about 10 days, but it felt like it was so much longer.
And I think that's just because of the amount of emphasis that was put on it.
It's a case that, so as Rich mentioned earlier on, I've already seen Raw,
I've already had a conversation with Rich around with the one thing that I would change,
and it is the coverage that they put into this input promo.
Don't get me wrong, as paradigm shifting as this is, it is a case that the coverage just on Raw alone
is bordering and on the wrong side of that border of obsessive.
Yeah, so with this, so many other points they could have emphasised and didn't.
Yeah, so with this obviously, because it is the men's elimination chamber match, was the last match of the PLE.
We've still got John Cena in ring celebrating the elimination chamber itself has been raised.
So we've just got an open ring and Cena doing his woohoo.
I'm going to WrestleMania baby, we did it sort of thing in a ring, which you know, no one's going to be graduating.
He just had an incredible chamber match.
And I'm going to go on record and say we called the fact that Cena was going to win at this weeks and weeks ago.
I think everyone who has been watching for the last couple of weeks will have called that Cena was going to win this
when he didn't win the rumble.
And so you've got Cena in a ring, he's celebrating, Cody comes out.
I think it was more of like a so we could get a face to face in the ring of these two guys for WrestleMania.
You know, like just for the website sort of thing.
Yeah.
Or rear Ripley and Eoskye did it when Bianca won.
They got that that still for the for the website of the three of them.
And the we got the same thing with Cody Rhodes and and John Cena basically.
And he's going to his last ever WrestleMania.
It started off with Cena kind of telling Cody without a microphone.
There's no microphone involved in this exchange about how much he respected him.
You know, it was it was glad that it was the two of them that were going to be a WrestleMania main event.
You know, it was it's going to be such a big thing and how big it was going to be.
And then we heard rocks music.
Right.
We've got that if you smell, if you can smell what the rock is cooking bit, but we didn't get the rock straight away.
We got Travis Scott come out, which I know that for the live audience that were in Roger Center,
Travis Scott before the pay-per-view went live, did some kind of live music performance, I believe.
I'm sure I've read that somewhere.
OK.
So the rocks old I put it down as the rocks old music hits for scabbing and for Travis Scott to appear.
And then shifts to the final boss version for the rock to come out.
Yeah.
The man himself.
But Travis Scott just looked really awkward.
So he had a wrestling belt over his shoulder and I couldn't work out what the belt was.
I'm putting it down as that was what Cody was going to be is going to be given if he chooses to take rocks off and give him his soul.
I couldn't really think of anything alternatively to add to that.
For why Travis Scott had that belt, but he had to spend a good sort of like a minute or two on his own at the top of the ramp.
And he was just kind of he looked really nervous, really awkward and really like the fuck am I doing?
Yeah, it's and before we go any further into that Travis Scott doesn't really play a massive part and me and Richard questioned off podcast what the hell he was actually doing in this segment.
There's several different reasons which we'll get into.
So the rocks come out because this is this is Cody's time to give his decision as to whether Cody is going to sell his soul to the final boss to elevate past the level that he's gotten to just at the moment, which I mean, yeah, a few people have questioned what level beyond that do you go to?
He is at the tipping top of his game.
Yeah, the only way you know it was going to get any bigger or better is if rock pulled him over into Hollywood to start giving them a couple of movies and start kind of helping him out with money that way rather than but Cody's always been against these part time celebrity champions.
So he's not going to turn into one right even a scene was against them and he turned into one.
I'm going to say we can say the same for the Mr. You Can't See Me because we can't fucking see him up to this point.
And now we've seen him come in scoop a huge win.
And we're going to have to see what happens now is he going to go back to being Mr. You Can't See Me every week or is he going to be Mr. You Can't See Me via satellite every couple of weeks up until WrestleMania.
So the rock basically said, look, this is how it's going to work.
Your answer is yes, I can have your soul. You're going to embrace me like a brother.
If not, then some bad shit is going to happen.
Yeah, your dream dies tonight is the phrase he used.
Now, I know that I could tell you what Cody's Cody's response would be, but I know that despite the fact that I can't see him, I know that Rich is pretty much probably bouncing up and down his chair itching to get this one out of his system.
So I'm not actually I was going to let you do it.
No, no, no, no, no.
What was Cody's answer to the rock?
I think it was something along the lines of and you can quote me on this one because I wrote it down.
Hey, Rock, go fuck yourself.
Yeah, I written this down as well. And the other thing that I written down.
Did you get a scene of running around in the background like a small child?
Yeah, even seen it was like, oh, shit, he fucking went there.
Yeah, no, really sort of playing up the part.
But he's an asshole.
Right, so we're going to get into the real meat and veg of the end of this particular, not even the end of this promo.
It was probably my favorite part of the promo, but you'll understand why I'm just a childish bastard.
So after we see Cena running around like a schoolgirl, there's just been asked to prom.
He then kind of you've got like a Mexican standoff of stairs, so to speak.
So you've got Rock staring down Cena and Cody Travis Scott's just kind of staring the mouth at this point.
He doesn't really know what the fuck's going on.
I don't think Travis Scott's in the corner with his rage say, Joe, but over the fucking they were calling it.
I'm pretty sure that Travis Scott had had a smoke before he entered the arena.
And by the time he got to the arena, that said smoke had kicked in and he was firing on probably two out of the four cylinders.
He really did not look like he knew what was going on.
And then we probably running on half a cylinder.
Probably to be fair. So you've got Rock staring at Cena staring at Cody.
He stares back at Cena and smiles, stares back at Cody, stares back at Cena.
Then see like Cody's looking at Rock looking at Cena looking at Rock like what the fuck's going on here like.
Cena brings Cody in for like, dude, I'm so happy that you've not sold your soul sort of thing.
It was like a celebration really high five hug thing.
There's an embrace, but you sort of see and I spotted that now I'm going to preface.
I knew what was going to happen before it happened.
It was spoiled for me by social media.
So I knew what I was sort of looking out for.
So the fact that I'm going to sit here and say the minute you see Cody and John and Cena's face pass one another to the point that you know that they're going to be.
You know that they're not in each other's eye line anymore.
You see Cena's face as he goes into the hug is a smile.
He's happy and then you see the shift and it's like Cena go that smile disappears.
He is straight faced.
He looks so strange when he's serious.
It's not a side to Cena.
We used to see it.
It's like I'm describing this and it's a case I'm fucking getting goosebumps thinking about it.
And yeah, you see the face the expression change like the mask rocks on Cena as his as their faces pass.
Cody hasn't got a clue.
And you see is the rocks makes that makes the slip through sort of gesture.
But he does it underneath the bottom of his jaw.
And then you see Cena kind of nod and then rock nod.
And it's kind of like, oh, wait a minute.
And then we got one thing that I never thought we'd see like Adam says the mask goes up for a few seconds.
Cena steps back out of the embrace for him to drag that right foot that he's threatened to heal turn with so many times over the years back
and slum it square into the meat and veg of Cody Rhodes with a low blow in the middle of the ring.
At which point I've seen video clips online since this event of children in the kitchen with their dad watching this.
And when John Cena low blows Cody Rhodes, these two kids erupt in tears.
Oh, you've got a thing for the last like 25 years.
Cena has been this paragon of light.
He had been the eternal face.
Despite the fact that he has said outside of kayfabe in interviews saying I want to do a heel turn.
I want to but I want to do it right.
I've got ring gear.
I've got merch ideas.
He's got music.
He's he had like the video entrance package was all done.
It was all set up for him to turn in 2005.
And then it just never happened.
Yeah, they changed the storyline.
So he's he's got an entire brand.
He's been sat on for 20 years just waiting to go.
Fuck it.
Why not?
Yeah.
And I threw this theory out there.
Obviously we've just had the wrestling world is just collided.
Now, Cena is going into heel for the first time ever.
And I said to Adam earlier, would it not be funny as the most healish thing he could do in the world now?
There is no limitations.
John Cena as a heel has never been done before.
Anything can happen.
What if he gets to the end of his retirement or and says, fuck it, I'm not retiring?
Like there's been some interesting.
So we have seen Cena as a heel.
It's just not very like what you saw him when he first debuted as a heel because he came in with the ruthless aggression promo and stuck one on Kurt Angle.
It was the ruthless aggression.
It was the doctor of thugonomics.
He did all of that.
That was his heel phase.
He then went to hustle loyalty and respect.
This paragon of light that we got so used to seeing that he was the hero for so many.
Not just like adults now who were kids when they started watching him.
A little bit like me and British.
It's a case that those kids have grown up.
Had kids who have been introduced to John Cena who have ever only ever known it as this paragon of light.
And I will keep coming back to this turn of phrase because it's the best way I can think to describe it.
Is that paragon of light?
He was the epitome of what it meant to be a hero in the WWE.
So once he's stuck his foot well and truly in Cody's plums.
It's a beat down started really.
It was a standard beat down to a point apart from there was a few bits in there that I thought were a bit cheeky.
One of them was that Cena hit Cody with his own watch at one point.
Smashes him in the face with a Rolex watch.
I'm not sure if it's the one that his dad used to wear but it was very similar to the one that Triple H gave him that belonged to his dad.
So if that was a chip there that was quite an interesting detail.
The other one was that Cena beat Cody with his own championship title belt.
Not once but twice and split him like a bitch.
Cody was bleeding hard bro.
Yeah very much so and we saw also the emergence of this belt that the Rockers had made up which had Cody's soul written on it as well as the death date of Dusty Rhodes.
I thought that was a bit of a piss take with that personally but it did work for heel persona very very well.
It was part of the emotional blackmail that the Rockers tried to use to get Cody over onto his side.
And yeah it's a case that at one point the Rock comes in himself.
White blood from Cody's own blood from his face and just smears it over this belt like some kind of blood sacrifice type ritual that he's imbuing this belt with Cody's blood.
Yeah there's so much that could be said about just that little bit.
But the reason that we sort of writ, we've written Travis Scott out is because since so Travis Scott has very little to do with what's going on in ring.
Apart from one small bit where he essentially tries to get a bit of a lick in and it's come out afterwards that Travis Scott has ended up actually injuring Cody Rhodes in the process.
And it was a discussion between me and Rich about why are we letting a non wrestler, essentially from the nobody who's not been trained in any way shape or form.
Yeah.
Before the only thought aggressive move against a so not just a trained professional that has trained high earning professionals.
This is the face of the company Travis Scott is hitting that hard that apparently reports are he's perforated his eardrum like that's going to hurt bro.
And he can't work with an injury like that.
Like that's fucked bro.
Like you can hear how heavy that slap is when it goes into like it ricochets around that arena.
Yeah, he was there was no way that Travis Scott was in a right mind to be able to even attempt something like that if he was trained.
The fact that he is not is just, yeah, no, shouldn't happen.
There was no, there was no need whatsoever for Travis Scott to have even been there.
No, exactly. One thing I do want to have put on record though, that as we are recording this episode on the fourth of March of this year, if Cena goes to WrestleMania and beats Cody Rhodes for the title, he brings back the spinner belt.
Okay.
I think the spinner belt is going to get dusted out if they're going to give Cena a title, they're going to give him the spinner belt, because that is the most iconic scene about there is.
Yeah, this is it.
So, yeah, we see one of the big images, one of the powerful images out of this section, it was Cena, the rock standing shoulder to shoulder over Cody Rhodes is pretty much lifeless body.
One thing that commentary pointed out that I also hadn't noticed up until this beatdown had finished was if you see all the times we've seen Cody running out to help different superstars in different situations.
Cody is getting his ass handed to him by the final boss and John Cena and Travis Scott, yet no one ran out to help Cody.
They're all too scared of what the rock can do, maybe I mean that's what was hinted by commentary, but they all left him for dust, bro.
He got his ass kicked and then some.
It's not a case that the rock, it's a rock isn't some kind of just like pretend figurehead in WWE.
We've got to think he's not just a living legend in the business.
And he is the business.
The reason he, the reason he's called the final boss, he's on the board of directors for the company TKO, which own the WWE.
Yeah, they do.
So yeah, he's definitely the top dog.
It's not just like spitting in the face of Triple H, who is the chief content officer or whatever the fuck his title is.
That like doing something against him is one thing.
Doing something against the rock is completely something else.
Oh yeah, of course.
And then we've found that no one would do anything against trips, because trips ain't allowed to do it anymore.
No, this is it.
But yeah, it's.
Yeah, we've got that iconic image, which if you look at it now and I had this pointed out,
we're talking Cena were next to each other on the poster for elimination chamber.
Yeah.
Heal Cena was on that poster and we all looked at it millions of times.
How we had it thrown down our throats enough.
None of us realized until afterwards when I saw in social media.
So we're gonna give it.
The last images we see in elimination chamber as it goes off air is actually Michael Cole being the only person to rush into the ring to check on a bleeding, bloody, broken, stripped, humiliated Cody Rhodes.
Oh yeah.
That was a hell of a beating that he just received.
100 percent.
And we're gonna have to wait for what comes out throughout the week as to what happens from here.
What this these ramifications are.
What are what what is it that the rock now does?
I think we'll just see a lot of beat downs on Cody, but I have seen something else which I think needs a slight conversation.
So when we saw rock last, he held up three fingers.
When we saw rock today at elimination chamber when Cena turned, he held up two fingers.
So are we going to see obviously rock is going to be involved in this WrestleMania match one way or another, whether it's an in ring capacity or an interference or something.
Or even if it's just a VT to be fair, we still got a finger left.
What could that final finger be?
And how can we have this set up?
So there are theories already circulating online.
That it's Roman, but it's another member.
Now, I haven't seen anything to say that it's Roman specifically.
One name that I have seen thrown out is LA Knight.
Yeah, no, I was just working on the we haven't seen much of the big dog recently.
So we knew after he got well and truly curb stomped at Royal Rumble that he was out indefinitely until after elimination chamber.
Now, we will have to wait and see if that one particular theory is going to be.
I mean, I've seen I've seen a mock up of a other poster possibly for Survivor Series, which sees like team Rock and Cena versus team Cody and Roman.
Oh, dear God.
No, I'm not.
Survivor Series is a long way off.
We've got Mania and so many other bits and pieces to get through before that.
Before we even get to that stage.
There are some.
There are so many possibilities with what happens with this shift that we've had in WWE as a whole.
I mean, not to put too fine a point on it or anything like that.
But John Cena is even though he's not been in the WWE for a while, he is still a big part of what WWE is.
Oh, yeah, definitely.
He's still very synonymous with this industry, with this business, with this name.
It is a case that you can get non wrestling fans who will know who John Cena is.
Yeah, definitely.
It's a case now we're dealing with something we haven't seen in a very long time, which is a heel Cena.
And we've got a way to find out what that looks like and how that presents itself.
Yeah, see, this small child of me does not want to wait.
It's like Christmas, mate.
I mean, I don't really do Christmas.
I'm more excited about what we're going to see from Cena than we are about Christmas then.
But this year is going to be fucking incredible for professional wrestling, dude.
We're going to have to wait and find out how much of Cena we're actually going to see.
Well, for the man that we can't see, it's better than nothing.
That's not necessarily a thinly veiled joke at the fact that we can't see him.
It's more of a case of we genuinely haven't been able to see him since Royal Rumble.
And we've come back to Cena now being...
Someone we might need to check in on since this has all happened was actually a gentleman by the name of Ron Killings,
who we should all know as our truth.
His social medias have been absolutely hilarious since all this happened.
So, yeah, you keep more of an eye on this than I do immediately.
So Ron Truth put something out that was basically...
Oh, what does it say? Let me find it.
I know he's put something up about crashing out.
Yeah, we live in the craziest times, but it was something like,
oh my God, John, what the hell have you done?
Or something like this, like, are you okay?
Think about the C-Nation and stuff like that.
And you're like, oh, dear God, our truth has lost it.
I mean, saying that our truth has lost it at this point is a bit sort of tongue-in-cheek at the best times.
But what we've got to remember is that our truth sees John Cena as his childhood hero,
even though I'm pretty sure that our truth, if you didn't come in at about the same time, came in before Cena did.
So our truth's been in this a very, very long time.
Yes, but it says, what about C-Nation? What about the fans?
John, are you for real? Say fuck them kids, ask him for a friend.
Because obviously John Cena is, in his face role, is the man that has done more Make-A-Wish meeting greets
than anyone else that works with Make-A-Wish.
John Cena is the most Make-A-Wishy Make-A-Wish.
Like, he's done more than anyone.
So, and he lives his normal life with it, or the life outside of his house, sorry, when he's in public view,
he lives that character.
He is Mr. Hussle loyalty and respect.
As he's walking around winnings meeting fans, dealing with members of the public, you know, like, that is who he is.
So, it'd be interesting to see what he'll see in a dozen. We're going to see a lot of, like, I don't know.
I don't even know what to throw in there, the endless possibilities.
But like we've said, we're going to have to wait and see, just like you guys.
And you're going to have to wait for a few episodes to keep on top of it, if you're not watching.
Yeah, this is it. But I think, for now, we've had enough discussions about Elimination Chamber.
Yeah, I think we've flogged this donkey dead.
Oh, pretty much we have, we have beaten this government mule to within an inch of its life.
So, we're going to, we're going to leave you all here.
The next time you will hear from us is Finishes and Factions does Monday Night Raw,
which is obviously going to be a lot of fallout from Elimination Chamber.
And we've got the Rio Ripley EO Sky title match to look forward to as well.
So, that's a lot coming in that episode.
Yeah, 100% so, but we'll see you all then.
It's a goodbye from me, and it's a goodbye from him. We'll see you soon.
100% peace.