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Welcome to the ring, it's rich and atom.

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Breaking down the fights with flair and passion.

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Tag teams grappling, belts are clashing.

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Finishes and factions catching action.

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Hello everybody and welcome back to another episode of finishes and factions does Monday night raw.

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I am rich and with me today is my co-host Adam.

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Thank you very much and tonight we see Monday night raw coming to us from Charlotte, North Carolina.

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Charlotte, North Carolina has hosted now 14 Monday night raws since 1999.

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And at this specific arena, which I haven't actually made a note of,

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we have an attendance tonight of 15,280 people, which for a Monday night raw is definitely higher than it's been for the last couple of weeks.

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Yeah, definitely.

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It's a bit of a mixed bag for raw this week. I'm not going to lie, there are some bits that I like, some bits that I wasn't overly fond of, but either way we're furthering on the story.

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Oh yeah, definitely. We're at a point now where WrestleMania is not too far away. We've got less than 10 episodes to go until we have each of the programming until we get to WrestleMania.

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So we're just trying to fill all the gaps in the story here and kind of build off towards elimination chamber in just over two weeks time.

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Yeah, most definitely. And just for anybody keeping track, it was the Spectrum Center in Charlotte, North Carolina.

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I was in the middle of having a quick Google to see if I could find it.

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But I was a step ahead of you, my friends, step ahead of you. But we start tonight's raw with a VT raw recap from two weeks ago, which takes us all the way back to the Monday night raw after the Royal Rumble.

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And this is all focused around Kevin Owens attacking Sami Zayn right in the middle of the ring.

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And I'm surprised Kevin Owens could even move the night after Royal Rumble.

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Like that Alabama slammer through the ladder from Cody Rhodes to finish that match was that had finished many a man.

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But the fact that he was out here, well, what two nights later, kicking the living hell out of Sami Zayn shows some just shows how kind of mental this guy is.

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Yeah. And he was far, far from 100%.

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I mean, I don't think anybody's going to be 100% after being put pretty much neck first through a steel ladder.

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But yeah, I mean, but we we actually have Sami Zayn in the building tonight, which is we've not seen Sami Zayn for about really since that the package pile driver.

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So it was nice to see him wondering around.

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We saw Sami Zayn in a VT last week last week where or it might even have been a smackdown.

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I'm struggling to remember quite at this moment.

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But we saw some we saw Sami Zayn in a VT where he was talking about his injuries.

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He was talking about how that attack from Kevin Owens has made him feel.

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And we're getting more of the same sort of tonight.

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It's a case that Sami's coming out and acknowledging the fact that him and Kevin Owens fighting it out over anything and everything is.

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It is pretty much old hat.

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We sort of know what we're going to get.

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And I mean, you can see with with what Sami the way Sami was sort of walking around and what Sami was saying is that.

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It did not matter what he was told.

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This is what he wants and he's going to make sure he let he get to.

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Which is nice to see from Sami.

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We've been saying for weeks, months, years, the guy in the guy can go.

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He can fight when he needs to fight.

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But you've got to give him really back like he's got to be really back to the ropes.

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He's on death's door before you really see what Sami Zayn is capable of dipping, which is a shame because he is a hell of a talented talent.

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I'm not sure.

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There's probably better ways I could have thought.

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Yeah, Sami Zayn is probably one of.

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I'm going to throw out there probably one of the most underutilized talent on WWE at the moment purely for the fact that we know what we expect to get from him.

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We're going to see a lot more of that in the build up to what has been announced that we're going to not be announced as of yet.

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We all know what's coming when it comes to these two, whether they meet at Elimination Chamber or meet at WrestleMania, they're going to meet somewhere and it's going to go off like a ticking time bomb.

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Well, I actually spoke to you about this off podcast and I had to sort of remind you that you very much called what happens with what happens or what kind of match they're going into.

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Because as we see Sami Zayn sort of getting really fired up around this match at Elimination Chamber, that Kevin Owens has sort of really does.

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We see a rare. Kevin Owens wants it too.

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So I've got goosebumps thinking about what's coming down here.

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The only person that had to sign off on this made his way into the ring, which was a rare appearance from the Raw General Manager, Adam Pearce.

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We don't see Adam Pearce as much as we see like Ava and the guy from SmackDown whose name I can't remember off the top of my head.

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Nick Aldous.

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That's the one.

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See, I would make an argument for the fact that out of the three General Managers for each brand, we see Adam Pearce the least.

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And you see Ava the most.

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It is a rare occasion. Yeah, we see Ava the most closely followed by Nick Aldous.

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But Adam Pearce very much stays in the background. He doesn't make very many on camera appearances and very even fewer appearances coming down into the ring, which...

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Yeah, 100%. I mean, these guys have gone all out in unsanctioned matches before and it's not outside the realm of possibility that it could happen all over again.

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So, yeah, we've got Sami versus Kevin in Toronto in an unsanctioned match, which basically means that there's no ref, there's no rules, there's no ring out, there's no pinfall, there's no submission.

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These guys are leaving Toronto on stretchers.

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Yeah, it's going to be an all out war. And that is probably the best way of doing it. It's nice to be able to...

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We don't see a lot in WWE these days of what I like to refer to as those once in a lifetime matches.

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We see a lot of very good quality matches, but we do get two people that have come up from the pool halls of their hometowns together through to what is going to be one of the last pay-per-view before WrestleMania.

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These guys are going to put on one hell of a show no matter what happens, but I think it is going to be one of the most brutal matches we might see on WWE TV for a while.

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Yeah, 100%. We are going to see colour, we're going to see so many broken in chairs.

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I'm barbed wire. The possibilities are endless.

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There's going to be all manner of absolute gruesomeness during this match.

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I've got a feeling it's going to get to a point where it may even be sort of uncomfortable to watch to a certain degree.

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If WWE let them do what we would like to see them do, it would be a match that you would not see.

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You'd see it week in, week out on AEW, but with the pure aggressive style of wrestling they use over there, especially with Jon Moxley, this could possibly be a contender for beating Moxley at his own game.

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Yeah, very much so. But we're going to save speculation on Sammian Kevin as we've got loads more to cover during this episode of Monday Night Raw.

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And unusually we're going to actually go to a SmackDown recap for the next little bit where we get the latest update on Jade Cargill and the assault that she suffered months ago.

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And this was the security footage that came to light during SmackDown of what appeared to be Liv Morgan and Raquel Rodriguez skulking around the parking lot where Jade was basically being loaded into the back of an ambulance and hasn't been seen since.

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And this was basically just to remind us that we've got Naomi and Bianca Belair in Charlotte, North Carolina as we watch this episode on the hunt for both Morgan and Rodriguez.

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Yeah, I mean, if Morgan and Rodriguez are the ones that gave Jade Cargill the kick in, that was a hell of a kick in. We've been doing this, we haven't missed an episode of programmed WWE since the Netflix debut.

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And we haven't seen Jade Cargill since then. So that's a good sort of like six, seven weeks of injury time for her. So she's going to be pissed when she comes back.

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Oh, 100%. This is a woman I used to watch in AEW. She is nobody to be messed with. And yeah, when she comes back, she's going to come back with a bang. And I'm actually, there's a part of me that would be completely unsurprised that...

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So, I'd rather keep... Well, technically, isn't Jade Cargill still a tag champion? Because her and Bianca Belair held the titles before her injury, where Bianca pulled Naomi up to kind of help her out for a little bit.

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Well, this is where I want to discuss a theory I've got. And I've been sort of percolating this one for a little while.

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Is this the same theory that I've had where possibly we're going to see Jade Cargill join back in with Bianca Belair and Naomi and then they'll all hold it under the free bird ruling?

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No. That would be an interesting theory. I've got it. It's more of a story based theory for me.

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I'm interested. What have we got? So, obviously, with this new security footage, we see somebody that looks a lot like Liv Morgan and Raquel Rodriguez having skulking around, but never actually see in that footage anything on Jade Cargill.

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But one person benefited more so than anybody else from Jade Cargill. Yeah.

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I wouldn't be surprised if we see a Naomi heel turn on Jade Cargill's return as Jade Cargill reveals that the person that actually put her out of action for all that time is Naomi.

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Oh, that's a dirty shower. I like it. You heard it here on finishes and factions. First guys, Adam reckons we are about to see a Naomi heel turn.

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That is a good shot. I like that.

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I'm just thinking that would be peak sort of, yeah, there's a mustard on that mate.

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A little bit of jalapenos to go on the top as well. That's spicy. I like it.

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But off the back of this little VT recap, we actually go, we cut to the judgment day chilling out in this clubhouse. They seem to build themselves no matter where they are.

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I found this little clubhouse.

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It's a little section quite funny, right? Because on the TV screen, they're playing 2K24 in their little clubhouse. And yet Carlito is on about, well, he's bitching about having to spend the $5 for the DLC.

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But 2K25 is not that far away. Surely Carlito should be on enough money to not have to worry about dumping five bucks on a DLC.

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Well, you'd like to think so. He should start buying some of the apples to waste.

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Especially if he's just spitting them out everywhere.

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Yeah. We thought of that as our opener for within the judgment day clubhouse as the camera sort of pans around to Dominic Mysterio and Liv Morgan talking about basically talking about Dom's concern around Liv getting her ass handed to her by Naomi and Bianca.

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I mean, and you can kind of understand there is a little bit of a now you've bought that theory. I kind of, yeah, brilliant.

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Put me right off my game.

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So if we're still working on the on the process of that it was Rical Rodriguez and Liv Morgan that took out Jane Cargill.

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Dom's got every right to be concerned because Rical Rodriguez isn't that much to worry about, especially not for two veterans in the form of Bianca Belair and Naomi.

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And Liv Morgan's tiny. Like, she don't get me wrong. She's a pop rocket and she'll go off, but I don't think she should have much of a chance between the two of them.

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I've just had a thought expanding on my theory.

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Oh, he's about to blow the internet up.

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So obviously part of this part of this promo is Dom's big idea about adding a new member to the judgment day.

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Yes, which really does not like the idea of it. I can't work out why.

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Because it's one way. I think it's sort of one less or one more person that he doesn't have or he doesn't feel like he has complete influence over.

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He sort of seems to have bullied Dom into despite the fact that the rest of the judgment day is very much happy to follow Dom's lead.

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Yes.

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Finn Balor seems to be trying to bully his way to the top a little bit and trying to wall with an eye in this.

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No, he's not. But hear me out about this theory. I'm going to expand on this now.

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No, I'm all ears. All nose as well.

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So, well, you see, you keep giving me shit for making cracks about your nose. You're the one that brings it up.

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Otherwise, if I do it now, I can't get offended.

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Well, that is very true. But yeah, anyway, so my theory revolves around Naomi having a heel turn.

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Now, this is where our sort of Ty, Liv Morgan and Raquel Rodriguez into all of this.

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What happens if or would it be outside the realms of possibility for Naomi to have her heel turn and heel turn directly into judgment day?

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They're talking about adding a new member. It would make sense then because we've got, we know that Liv Morgan and Raquel Rodriguez have got a guaranteed

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tag title shot against Naomi and Bianca Belet.

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They do.

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Now, I'm unsure at this point because I can't see it in front of me when this match is due to occur.

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I've got a feeling.

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Is it not the elimination chamber?

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I don't think it's an elimination chamber.

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I think it's the raw before elimination chamber potentially.

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But how much would it break the internet for during that match?

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Jade Cargill comes back, interrupts the match.

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We find out that Naomi has been working with the judgment day for a little while. About as long as Dom's been having this idea of adding a new member.

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Somebody we wouldn't expect to find in the judgment day.

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And they all sort of work together to oust Jade Cargill out and sort of set Liv and Raquel up for this tag title shot, which they ultimately don't end up succeeding in.

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But it ends up ripping the current tag team champions apart. Enough for Jade Cargill to assume the position back in the tag team champions spot.

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Then to drop the tag titles to judgment day.

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Liv Morgan, Raquel Rodriguez.

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That's not a bad shot at all.

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That's an interesting theory. It's not one that I would have thought of myself.

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I could do this. I reckon I could be a writer. I could write wrestling at angles.

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Especially with shit like this. This is fucking immense. I'm impressed with myself.

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But yes, anyway, we've digressed because I keep thinking about this theory.

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Liv Morgan shrugs off the threat that Naomi and Bianca seem to pose.

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She doesn't seem to think it's going to give her any real issue.

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Liv instead decides to redirect all of the attention back to Dom by giving him props for stepping up, trying to lead the judgment day into their next chapter.

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This is where we see Bimbala coming in, really trying to assert himself in the picture.

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Again, that bullying sort of demeanor coming out in him, he's really trying to be a little bit of a bother boy and get his own way.

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I don't think he's really got much left outside of judgment day and I think he realizes as well that he's not really got the influence he thinks he had.

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So it'd be interesting to see if eventually, like you said, we do get a new member to judgment day, whether they just decide to give Finn the kick out that he needs.

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And it could be actually Finn's next sort of part of his story, could be a grudge against whoever kicks him out of New Day, which could be sort of Dom.

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Yeah, I'm feeling that it's going to end up being Dom and it's going to end up with Finn Balor being quite isolated and possibly even a transvert maybe to SmackDown to go and try and gain some courage and favor with either Rhea Ripley on Raw or Damien Priest on SmackDown.

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I mean, yeah, two great shots. We know we won't be seeing him team up with the Miz because that would completely ruin Finn Balor.

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Yeah, definitely not happening.

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I don't think there's any danger of that either way, but yeah, we know during this episode of Raw that we've got two Elimination Chamber qualifiers, the last two Elimination Chamber qualifiers.

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For the women's match, it's going to be Raquel Rodriguez versus Roxanne Perez.

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And obviously Seth Rollins and Finn Balor are going one on one for the last spot in the men's Elimination Chamber as well.

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So that could be why Finn's been a little bit of a bitch at the moment. He's got quite a big match coming up at the end of the night and his record against Seth's half decent, but not as good as it could have been.

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Yeah, and the last thing that it so as we sort of come to the end of this little promo, it's a case that Finn Balor starts trying to pick fights with Raquel Rodriguez.

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He's like he's obviously illustrating the fact that there could be three members of the Judgment Day who are participating in the in the Elimination Chamber.

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We know Liv Morgan already has her spot in the women's Elimination Chamber secured a few weeks ago.

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Obviously Finn Balor has his match against Seth Rollins, which he seems pretty much certain he's going to win.

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He feels pretty confident, I don't know.

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And he starts trying to cast some doubt on Raquel Rodriguez's chances against Roxanne Perez, which I'll be honest, I think he's just trying to take some of the heat off himself.

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He's not there to try and elevate anybody. He's there trying to shift some of the attention of him.

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Yeah.

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But Raquel's not really having any of it. She's like, you know what, you're just as likely to lose your match as I am to lose mine.

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Focus on your own shit.

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Which was she's well within her own, well, than her rights to say because he was being a bit of a cock.

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Oh, 100%, which is sort of Finn Balor's MO at the moment. And this is where we see Finn Balor just really, really dead set against adding any new members.

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He really doesn't want to expand Judgment Day beyond what they currently have.

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And yeah, they're really playing the slow game with the end of the Judgment Day or whatever the Judgment Day's next phase is.

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One or the other, it's either going to end, it's going to come crashing down, or they're going to lose a member or lose and gain,

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lose one member, gain another new member and sort of carry on from there.

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It's quite a stutter at the moment, the Judgment Day storyline.

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But they're trying to inject life into it wherever they can, wherever they can, but we'll come back to that in just a second as we did have a short VT promo for...

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Yeah, about someone else who needed to get some life injected into them after Pronebreaker that hit him with one hell of a spear.

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Oh, he folded him like a deck chair.

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Yeah, this was the VT about I show speeds entrance into the Royal Rumble after... was it Akira Tazawa was injured on the entry ramp?

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So Akira Tazawa was attacked by Carmelo Hayes, who was one of the first to be eliminated from the men's Royal Rumble, did not take it very well.

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And yes, attack Akira Tazawa who ended up being replaced by I show speed.

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You've got to give it to the guy, right? You've got to have some Cajonis to get in a wrestling ring untrained anyway.

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Yes, he'd have been taught how to take a bump, but there's taken a bump and there's letting a guy who runs the ropes at 30 miles an hour speed.

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Oh, 100%.

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Pronebreaker is definitely not the guy to look at and go, he's done that fast.

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I could have run him. No.

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When you're bouncing off those ropes, I think he is the fastest in professional wrestling at the moment.

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And then the power of that spear through I show speed as well.

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I'm surprised I show speed didn't change his name to I smell shit because I'm pretty sure that's what he did when he got hit.

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Oh, most likely. It's certainly not outside the realms of possibility at this stage.

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I'm pretty sure he had everything driven from him, including his soul.

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Yeah, he took him a couple of days to be able to walk again after he got hit on his stream.

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So, yeah, that's that's hard. I mean, I've played to him. I'll take my hat off to him.

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If you wore a hat.

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I've got a beanie on at the moment. So that kind of fits.

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I suppose so.

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I got my cap.

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But then we go into the first match of the night.

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Where we see judgment day, but dirty, dumb and mysterious.

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Take on the phenomenal one. Mr. AJ Styles, who did show up to this week's Monday Night Raw with William Byron's,

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who is the back to back Daytona 500 winner.

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If you're not aware of what the Daytona 500 is, it is a NASCAR event where they do 500 laps

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around the circuit.

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They do about 2000 left turns with a few pit breaks in there as well.

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And yes, it was a hell of a race. I sat and watched it this year and

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William Byron's did a fantastic job.

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And then obviously gets to where the golden WWE title that gets given to the major sports guests in the arena.

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See, after all of that, all I can think of is, um,

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He's making a left turn.

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Another left turn.

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Yeah, I knew exactly as soon as I mentioned NASCAR and left turns that Jeff Dunham is where you were going.

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Oh, 100%

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It's the same place I went to.

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Fair enough.

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Nobody was disappointed.

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But yeah, this was born out of, well,

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Don coming out last, Don, sort of coming out last week, running his mouth against AJ Styles and

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we got to look at what we're going to expect from AJ.

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We both said last week that we thought he was about to hang up his boots.

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Maybe when he got that injury, it was time for him to go, you know what guys, I'm done.

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But there seems to have a new fire come back into his system at the moment.

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Yeah, I think he was looking at potentially sort of retiring, going to spend some more time at home with his

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with his kids and all the rest of it.

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I think WWE have made him an offer for one more run that you simply can't turn down.

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I mean, it could be not ruling it out, but it seems unlikely.

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Don't think Don really needs someone like AJ to put him over at all.

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No, to be fair, like, yes, Don has done a great job of being a very well hated heel.

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Like, you saw that last week when he came out and he was trying to talk and every time he opened his mouth,

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the entire crowd just booed the shit out of him.

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So he's done a great job with his character getting it where he needs to be.

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And so you can tell that Dom's definitely the heel in this one.

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We get a nice little face run from AJ, which is, I think something he's better at, to be fair.

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He and AJ Styles just does not seem to hit it in the right spot for me.

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No, and he's never done it for me either.

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Again, I've mentioned before, we've both mentioned before that I've been watching AJ for a number of years,

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I've seen him with some of his best years where he was in TNA and Impact Wrestling.

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And yeah, don't get me wrong, Super Sight that he's now been in WWE for somewhere around six, seven years now.

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Yeah, for a while and he's held some titles as well.

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I'd have to go and have a little look and see what he's had his hands on.

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But I know he defended the World Heavyweight Championship against John Cena.

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He didn't win it from him, but yeah, he's had some phenomenal matches and feuds in WWE.

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So I'm kind of a little bit jealous I didn't get to experience TNA AJ.

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Yeah, because I maintain that they were sort of some of the best years of his career.

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I think it's the same with, it's the same impression that I get from the Motor City machine guns on Friday nights.

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It's great to have them in WWE, just sort of wish they'd made it there maybe a few years earlier.

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They can still go, all three men still phenomenal in the ring, no pun intended.

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But I just feel that they could have made so much more of a bigger impact five or so years ago.

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Yeah, definitely. AJ had a pretty big sort of impact in this match against Dom.

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Some of the bits I've picked up here that he started off with a really nice combination between a backbreaker and a missile dropkick

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followed up by a nice little running knee on the outside of the ring.

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So obviously after the missile dropkick, Dom's kind of rolled out of the ring, kind of kind of fucked this.

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And then yeah, caught that beautiful running knee from AJ.

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It's always nice to see him go for his normal spots, the phenomenal forearm and you see him go for that one a few times.

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He's a very good technical wrestler, but he's also very good when it comes to high risk as well.

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But as much as I probably like to shit on him a little bit too much.

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Dom's definitely got a lot more ability than a lot of people give credit for.

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Yeah, he's not a no nothing kid. He's not he's not there to simply live out.

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He can actually do his own thing.

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Yeah, he's worked really hard on being able to develop his own style

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and sort of really get his own shit in and definitely.

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I mean, yes, we do see a lot of tributes, you know, within Dom's wrestling style to, you know, the late great Eddie Guerrero.

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We know we saw that again in this match where Dom tried to set up the three amigos.

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He got two off before the third one. AJ wouldn't let him get it.

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when he hits the frog splash.

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but it is always nice to see the homage paid to Eddie Guerrero as well.

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Yeah, an absolute a legend that was lost way too soon.

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Imagine what Eddie Guerrero would have gone on to accomplish if he was still wrestling today.

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The same as Ray.

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Oh, dude, the possibilities are phenomenally endless.

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Yeah, 100%.

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But yeah, ultimately, AJ Styles walks out of this with a win.

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And shortly after winning by via pinfall, we see AJ celebrating in the ring,

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then pulling off some Jedi mind trick shit here.

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and then kind of climbing in.

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And we all know when Bronn Breaker is sneaking, there's only one thing he's looking to hit and that's that spear.

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And I'll tell you something.

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This is my favorite part of this this segment, right?

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Not saying the match was poor.

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It was a really good quality match, but this bit for AJ to just like Adam said,

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use his Jedi senses to feel something was going off and move it just the right time to watch Dom Mysterio eat.

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What I have to say was probably spear of the year.

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Like, oh, it was beautiful.

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He ate that and he ate it with custom to like it was absolutely incredible.

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And anybody that's paid any attention to social media since Raw went out,

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Styles got his very own sort of viral moment.

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T-shirt catch.

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Yeah, just so smooth.

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Do you know what? I love to know if they practice that.

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Obviously, they do a lot of different things to kind of help choreograph and get the choreographing right.

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I'd love to know how many times Bronn Breaker threw a shirt at AJ or whether that was literally just an off the cuff boom done.

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Yeah, that clip has gone everywhere.

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I want to believe that that was that was 100% in the moment.

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I hope so.

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I've even seen I saw one clip.

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I don't know if I send it to you.

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I remember what platform I saw it on and it wasn't a T-shirt that Bronn Breaker threw at AJ Styles.

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It was the Intercontinental title belt.

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It's just the way he was.

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You got AJ stood there at the end of that holding the belt, not the T-shirt looking at him.

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I was reading my letter.

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That was cool.

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But yeah.

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I mean, this is why I think one of the reasons I think we're not going to see a run between AJ Styles and Dirty Don Mysterio at this stage.

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I think it's very much styles going after that I see title that Bronn Breaker has been holding on to for quite a significant amount of time now.

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I think that is the way it's going to go, but it has pissed me off, right? Because they gave us that sniff of Seamus finally getting his hands on that one title that's alluded to.

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And they put it out there and they've worked it a little bit and then they've just kind of dropped it.

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And I'm like, why have you done that?

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Why have you suddenly started bringing like AJ and let Seamus get that title?

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Like, what are you doing?

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It's not right.

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Let's start a petition.

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Send a strongly worded email.

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Well, I see championship.

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It's not outside the realms of possibility for Seamus to still be in this picture.

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Well, yeah.

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I just hope he doesn't have to go through a triple threat to be able to do it.

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Because I think that would suck for Seamus.

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It's just the sort of match I can see Seamus in though.

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That's the thing.

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He does like being the underdog, doesn't he?

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He does.

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But we move on.

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We do.

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And talking of underdogs, I'm just going to throw that.

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We went into a bit of a strange VT next, if I remember correctly, with the, was it Julius Creed?

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So Julius Creed of American made as a joint team Chromier.

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Yeah, so he is part of Daniel Chromier's UFC team in tough enough series.

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So we actually get to see another sports entertainer decide to try and conquer the world of UFC.

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And obviously we've seen the likes of Brock Lesnar do it.

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But Teester's done some cage fighting.

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CM Punk gave it a go.

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He wasn't as successful as some other guys that have tried it.

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Ken Shamrock went off and did it as well.

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We've seen some cage fighters make the transition the other way as well.

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I mean, one of the most famous of which was Rowdy Ronda-Rowsy.

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But yeah, it's important to realise that Julius Creed, he's not actually going to be stepping in that octagon.

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He's going in as a coach from what I can remember.

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So he's going to join team Chromier on the latest season of the Ultimate Fighter as a coach, not a participant.

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God damn it.

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I got all excited.

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I thought it'd be interesting to see what Julius Creed could do then.

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But while we're talking about American Maid and the Creed brothers, we actually end up using that as a bit of a segue into a backstage promo.

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Which then leads on to our next match.

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So this was, we sort of recap very briefly about American Maid sort of.

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I totally classed this as them throwing away their tag title opportunity and I don't care how they want to dress it up.

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I was just against the ball ratings.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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They, if I really have no idea why a team that are challenging for a title decide to lose by disqualification.

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Well, they said in this promo that they were trying to send a message.

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And the only thing that I could think of throughout that entire thing was would it not have sent so much more of a message had they won the match and pick the titles up off them.

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That to me would have sent so much more of a, so much more of a message.

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But what do I know?

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I'm not a wrestler.

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I'm just a fan.

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We're just two guys that watch a lot of wrestling.

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Yeah.

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And then discuss an awful lot of wrestling.

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And even remember not recording podcasts, a lot of our conversations.

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If you take out the voice messages of one of us, it's still pretty much all wrestling really.

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But we go from talking about the Creed Brothers thrown away tag title opportunity to Ivy Niles current opportunity at the women's intercontinental number one contendership.

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And she is facing Dakota Kai for that.

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And there's a brief interaction between the two backstage where essentially Ivy Nile, who's never held a title in WWE since she's been in it, decides to go step to Dakota Kai and say that she's not.

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This is her match to win basically.

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And which is pretty stupid because Dakota Kai was the woman who was beaten by Lyra Valkyra for the intercontinental championship.

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So and we know Dakota Kai's got ability and she's pretty sure she's had her hands on titles already before.

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So she's never won a singles title, but she has held tag team gold as part of damage control.

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So she knows what she's doing with the belt around her waist.

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So Ivy Nile getting a little bit out of her out of her lane.

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It is, I think could be.

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If she's got the ability to back it up then fair enough, but nine times out of 10 when Ivy Nile steps out of her lane, she ends up getting shoved straight back into it pretty quickly.

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Yeah, this is it.

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And she's going up against in comparison to herself.

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Dakota Kai is a is a Wiley veteran.

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She's she's known for her high flying style, but she's no slouch when it comes to her mat work and her ring work either.

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So but yeah, this sort of takes us into this into the second match of Monday Night Raw, which sees Ivy Nile versus Dakota Kai winner becomes the number one contender for the women's intercontinental champion current champion observing at ringside being Lyra Valkyria.

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Yeah, so we get to we start off with the two of them kind of just having a bit of a show of strength.

393
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:10,000
It's very much like a what do they call it's like a color and color and wrist tie or something like that.

394
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:12,000
It's kind of yeah.

395
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:37,000
I'm trying to sort of work each other out as far as I'm, let's say they're both different styles where obviously Ivy Nile was more of a power wrestler compared to Dakota Kai's more of an agile wrestler just trying to work out where they're going to be fair and who's got what weaknesses and what they can kind of use to try and chip away each other, which Ivy Nile seems to find pretty

396
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:42,000
uniquely working on Dakota Kai's sort of rebuilt knee.

397
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:49,000
It's quite well documented about how much sort of surgery Dakota Kai's had to have on any over the last sort of like couple of years.

398
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:57,000
So I've been working straight on that kind of gave her a bit of an advantage for a little while, which is not something you expected to see.

399
00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:01,000
I personally didn't know this is it.

400
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:09,000
Yeah, it's I'm going to be honest, I didn't get a massive amount for this match.

401
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:20,000
Yes, Ivy Nile did the smart thing of picking on an existing weakness and really trying to exploit that in Dakota Kai.

402
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:25,000
But other than that, I mean, the match ended with Dakota Kai walking out with the wind.

403
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:31,000
So as much as it was the smart thing to do, it obviously wasn't effective enough.

404
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:38,000
No, you know, and Dakota Kai even walked out with the wind and she like I say she walked away.

405
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:41,000
There was no major damage done.

406
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:52,000
She had some incredible moves while she was in a couple of sunset flips for a couple of minor pinfall attempts.

407
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:59,000
I've also got here as well that she she definitely likes to go for a high flying kicks.

408
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:15,000
There's a lot of high high leg work there and Ivy Nile was really not quite sure what to how to like the way I want to categorize her is within this matches.

409
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:24,000
She didn't really look like she had the confidence to be in that match.

410
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:32,000
Apart from trying to throw out like the big moves, which fair enough, it covered the cracks up to a point.

411
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:40,000
She definitely looked like she was out of her depth and the level of match she was in.

412
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:48,000
Yeah, and I just not I wasn't really wasn't sort of feeling the way this match went.

413
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:52,000
And I've got to sort of put a lot of that down to Ivy Nile.

414
00:49:52,000 --> 00:50:01,000
She was very big unknown and I just I didn't get that that sense from her.

415
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:02,000
I didn't get that.

416
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:06,000
She didn't really get much proud on the intro when she came out either.

417
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:12,000
It was very kind of like dull and yeah, wasn't a huge amount to it.

418
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:18,000
I think for Ivy Nile to have gotten an opportunity like this realistically.

419
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:25,000
I mean, the last time we saw Ivy Nile in the ring was during the Royal Rumble.

420
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:40,000
Before that, she had an online match during main event where she defeated Natalya, which is quite a big win for somebody somebody like Ivy Nile.

421
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:41,000
Yeah, definitely.

422
00:50:41,000 --> 00:51:05,000
The last time we saw her on Raw was for the Women's Intercontinental Title Tournament first round triple threat where sort of the current champ Laura Valkyria beats her Anzalina Vega to move on and obviously eventually pick up the title herself.

423
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:11,000
But that was back at the beginning of December.

424
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:15,000
Yes, we've not seen a huge amount of Ivy Nile in a lot of light.

425
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:17,000
I don't really want to see a huge rumble.

426
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:29,000
Back stage why she's not too bad with the mic, but yeah, there wasn't much for her in the ring that made me kind of too enamoured.

427
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:39,000
Yeah, I wasn't sort of feeling the love for Ivy Nile here and it's not going to unless something drastic changes.

428
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:43,000
I think she might find herself on the chopping block come the next round.

429
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:46,000
I wasn't far from saying that myself.

430
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:51,000
I think when it comes to the next round of releases, we could see Ivy Nile go that way.

431
00:51:51,000 --> 00:52:03,000
But it was nice to see Dakota Kai take the win. So it kind of shows who our next sort of like pathway is for Laura Valkyria.

432
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:10,000
So she gets to have a nice little hoping it's a half decent feud with Dakota Kai after this number one content.

433
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:15,000
Well, after that the title opportunity.

434
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:17,000
Yeah, definitely.

435
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:28,000
And I mean, yeah, but we went from there into a VT recap basically showing how Jey Uso chose Gunther last week on Raw.

436
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:30,000
Yep.

437
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:42,000
Didn't really get a lot massive amount out of that other than the fact that we know one of the matches for WrestleMania is going to be Jey Uso versus Gunther for the World Heavyweight Championship.

438
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:55,000
And isn't this where this is just more of a recap I think of Gunther attacking Jey Uso when he was doing his entrance at the start of last week's Monday night Raw.

439
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:58,000
And then obviously Jey's chosen him for WrestleMania.

440
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:02,000
We really know that Gunther's not going to make it too pleasant for him.

441
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:11,000
So it's kind of it's the road for pain, road of pain for Jey Uso at the moment.

442
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:13,000
Yeah, this is it.

443
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:23,000
And yeah, just it's a necessary it's necessary to have that to have that promo in there.

444
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:33,000
We've got to keep that that news relevant and I get that but it just yeah, I just don't feel like it's quite served the purpose where it was.

445
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:40,000
Yeah, we went actually came from came from that to a section.

446
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:51,000
We don't see as often anymore as we did towards the beginning of the Netflix era, which is the the facts about WWE's relationship with the city that they're in.

447
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:55,000
Obviously this week it was Charlotte, North Carolina.

448
00:53:55,000 --> 00:54:01,000
It's hosted Raw 14 times since 1999 earlier in the episode.

449
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:06,000
And then we got to find out a few other bits about it.

450
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:19,000
Well, Charlotte, North Carolina is the birthplace of not just Charlotte Flair, but Cody Rhodes and our truth as well.

451
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:25,000
Now, the next bit we actually took to Twitter.

452
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:27,000
We had to ask a question.

453
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:37,000
So according to Michael Cole, Charlotte North Carolina is hosted six PLE events.

454
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:51,000
Now, both myself and Adam have done a reasonable amount of research on this because we both came out and said, you know, we'd like to tell you which ones they are like we do try and do most weeks.

455
00:54:51,000 --> 00:55:04,000
And, you know, and try and sort of give you some knowledge and gives us the opportunity to look back into the archives and find some interesting bits along the way.

456
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:08,000
But we couldn't find six, could we?

457
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:14,000
No, so I think the most we managed to find was four.

458
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:18,000
Yeah, we had judgement day three.

459
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:21,000
We had vengeance both six.

460
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:25,000
Clash of Champions 19.

461
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:32,000
And NXT Vengeance Day, 2023.

462
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:34,000
So we found four.

463
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:38,000
So there's two missing that we couldn't think of.

464
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:55,000
And yeah, me and my in my haste decided to try and tweet about this slight issue from the podcast Twitter account, which is at Finn and Fan pod on Twitter.

465
00:55:55,000 --> 00:56:01,000
So it's at Finn and Fan pod for the finishes and factions podcast.

466
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:06,000
And yeah, I did throw a tweet out there.

467
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:13,000
But it doesn't seem to be on my feed to be able to tell you it was basically I tweeted.

468
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:20,000
Paul of that WWE and Michael Cole asking what they were.

469
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:25,000
The last couple were and had a response just yet.

470
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:31,000
So we want to pass this back out to you guys.

471
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:36,000
Hit fill us in where we got that where we couldn't find the answers.

472
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:39,000
So judgement day three, vengeance.

473
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:53,000
So six clash of champions 2019 and NXT Vengeance Day, 2023 with a four we found, which means there are two missing that were that came out of Charlotte, North Carolina.

474
00:56:53,000 --> 00:57:00,000
I've even as rich was speaking just then tried to do another Google search and come up completely empty.

475
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:06,000
So get in touch on that Twitter handle that Rich mentioned just a moment ago.

476
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:10,000
Tell us the two that were missing because it's driving me up the wall.

477
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:17,000
Yeah, it's doing me as well to be found looking alive.

478
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:22,000
But we look forward to seeing those as they could seeing those as they come in.

479
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:27,000
In the meantime, let's see what we let's see what else we've got on the.

480
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:31,000
Well, we actually go back to to Gunther at this point.

481
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:43,000
So we have gone up in the con caves up in the crowds of like going to get a burger section.

482
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:48,000
Up on the concourse of the arena for it.

483
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:53,000
Basically trying to do his best imitation of Jey Uso.

484
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:58,000
But with a lot less if what he wasn't it wasn't his best.

485
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:03,000
He was just taking the piss out of Jey Uso's entrance ready to be found.

486
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:05,000
Oh 100%.

487
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:08,000
I say he's just kind of walking down.

488
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:15,000
He's taking the calls the crowds smelly tells the little boy needs to move out the way.

489
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:22,000
I thought that was quite palsy to be fair that little boy will always remember that.

490
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:24,000
Oh yeah 100%.

491
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:28,000
But it's yeah, I mean.

492
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:35,000
Gunther starts off looking like he's just trying to have a bit of fun with the crowd.

493
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:39,000
It very quickly takes a bit of a.

494
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:43,000
Uncomfortable turn in the sense that.

495
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:51,000
We don't see this side of Gunther Gunther is not the fun loving type essentially.

496
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:53,000
Definitely not.

497
00:58:53,000 --> 00:59:04,000
And I mean he's even like he blames the WWE Universe for Jey Uso's future blood being spilled.

498
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:10,000
When he faces him at WrestleMania and everything that happens up to this point.

499
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:21,000
I mean he's even goes to the point of asking Pat McAfee and Michael Cole if they honestly believe that Jake and beat Gunther.

500
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:31,000
Yeah and Pat McAfee took a real big risk here by kind of going actually yeah I do.

501
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:34,000
Yeah this is it and.

502
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:46,000
I think it's at this point Jey Uso some snaps within Jey Uso I don't think I mean nobody likes a bully and this was starting to look like bullying behavior.

503
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:57,000
Yeah, Jey decided he was going to come and well it looked like he was going to come in and kind of just cut a promo.

504
00:59:57,000 --> 01:00:05,000
He was being pushed back by security guards and he's like alright okay he'll stand at the top of the ring he'll cut a promo and that'll be the end of that.

505
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:14,000
I did not expect him to ditch the guards and take a leg down to the ring and kind of fuck it that's fine.

506
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:21,000
Oh no he came out of there looking for a fight those refs were doing an amazing job at trying to keep him contained.

507
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:34,000
One of them lost focus and Jey Uso took the opportunity to slip past all three of them, went back and just basically took Hammer to Nail at Gunther.

508
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:49,000
I mean I think there was a retaliation for the comment that Gunther made a little bit earlier walking down the arena going performing for these people is like feeding Shakespeare to a dog.

509
01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:58,000
You know what Gunther's very good with his words and he's a very talented in-ring performer too not going to take that away from him.

510
01:00:58,000 --> 01:01:07,000
He can cut an intellectually gifted promo without having to be like me big caveman, me beechew and headwood stick.

511
01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:15,000
He's very very articulate with the way he cuts his promos. He does it so well.

512
01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:32,000
Yeah definitely and basically Gunther ends up getting escorted to the back as basically Jey does his thing with North Carolina and Yeets the Night Away.

513
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:36,000
I mean everyone likes to enjoy a Yeet.

514
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:38,000
100%

515
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:49,000
Anyway moving swiftly on past that we go to a backstage promo where we see Kathy Kelly interviewing Liv Morgan and Raquel Rodriguez.

516
01:01:49,000 --> 01:02:09,000
And yeah I mean this interview focused mainly around the threat that Naomi and Bianca were posing with their very presence based on obviously what we saw involving the attack on Jade Cargill some months previous.

517
01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:20,000
This Jade Cargill storyline is starting to heat up quite quickly so I'm thinking we are going to see a reappearance from Jade.

518
01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:27,000
I'm guessing I want to throw out there and say it's going to be elimination chamber that we'll see Jade Cargill make her return.

519
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:36,000
But they're pushing something big with this and you can feel that they're not over.

520
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:50,000
Actually they could be getting to the point where they could be over pushing or trying to over hype their own storyline but if they leave off the theatrics too much and I know it's professional wrestling I get it.

521
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:55,000
But I think what they can do with this whole situation is going to be incredible.

522
01:02:55,000 --> 01:03:01,000
But yeah definitely it is all going to revolve around when we see Jade Cargill next.

523
01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:07,000
I think the best place to do it would be elimination chamber if they don't do it then they've got to hold off until WrestleMania.

524
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:12,000
Something like that returns sort of size of a return.

525
01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:18,000
It needs to be a big deal to keep the push that Jade Cargill was on before she got injured in place.

526
01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:23,000
She needs her return to be a big big deal.

527
01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:32,000
This is it and I think we will see that big deal coming. It's just a question of when.

528
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:49,000
But we go from the backstage interview to match three on the card which sees Pete Dunne versus Pentar.

529
01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:53,000
You know what I fucking I am really starting to like this guy.

530
01:03:53,000 --> 01:03:57,000
But to be fair I'm not.

531
01:03:57,000 --> 01:03:59,000
I like both of these wrestlers.

532
01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:06,000
Pete Dunne is starting to grow on me a little bit more that I'm seeing more of him.

533
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:09,000
I'd liked him anyway just because of where he's from.

534
01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:13,000
Like if you come from that part of the world you're automatically amazing.

535
01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:19,000
But Pentar as well is absolutely phenomenal.

536
01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:29,000
And with the contract negotiations going on between Rey Phoenix AEW at the moment basically saying I won out of my contract.

537
01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:39,000
If we get to see Rey Phoenix and Pentar together I think we're going to have an absolutely breadable year this year with tag team wrestling.

538
01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:48,000
Oh 100%. But we couldn't have two more different wrestlers in the ring as it goes.

539
01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:53,000
I mean Pentar, High Fly, No Fear, Luchador.

540
01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:57,000
Just absolute explosive Luchador out of the gate.

541
01:04:57,000 --> 01:04:59,000
And then we've got Pete Dunne.

542
01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:01,000
But they call him the bruiser.

543
01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:04,000
He is an old school wrestler.

544
01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:07,000
He likes to grapple ground.

545
01:05:07,000 --> 01:05:16,000
And Pete Dunne's favourite thing to do as well is to manipulate every part of you he can.

546
01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:20,000
So whichever way he can, like whether it be your fingers, your elbows, your knees.

547
01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:31,000
If he can bend it into an uncomfortable position and hold it there for a while just to really get under your skin he's going to do it.

548
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:33,000
Yeah, most definitely.

549
01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:42,000
We do see that pretty early on at the start of this match where he takes Pentar's glove off and starts basically trying to rip his fingers out of his socket.

550
01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:46,000
It was brutal.

551
01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:48,000
Yeah, most definitely.

552
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:55,000
And yeah, it just goes to speak to how much that Pete Dunne does enjoy that sort of joint manipulate.

553
01:05:55,000 --> 01:05:57,000
He calls it joint manipulation.

554
01:05:57,000 --> 01:06:02,000
I think we could probably go to the extent of joint mutilation.

555
01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:04,000
To a certain extent.

556
01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:10,000
But some fantastic bits and pieces in this match.

557
01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:19,000
I mean, as we've come to expect from both Pentar and Pete Dunne who are sort of, I mean, we know Pentar is a top tier superstar.

558
01:06:19,000 --> 01:06:25,000
And I think Pete Dunne is another underutilised star, realistically.

559
01:06:25,000 --> 01:06:28,000
We should be seeing so much more of him.

560
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:34,000
I will tell you something, Pete Dunne can sell a move.

561
01:06:34,000 --> 01:06:36,000
Like, incredibly.

562
01:06:36,000 --> 01:06:38,000
Like, that guy is amazing.

563
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:52,000
The way he sold the Mexican destroyer that Pentar hit him with was just, well, I've seen people sell moves like that in other places like Willowsbreak and Sellemove.

564
01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:55,000
You know, Kenny Omega can sell a move.

565
01:06:55,000 --> 01:06:59,000
Pete Dunne can sell a move.

566
01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:02,000
Even thinking about it, now I'm getting goosebumps.

567
01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:04,000
That was the sweetest Mexican destroyer.

568
01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:05,000
I think Pentar is here.

569
01:07:05,000 --> 01:07:08,000
And I think Pete Dunne sold it perfectly.

570
01:07:08,000 --> 01:07:09,000
Yeah.

571
01:07:09,000 --> 01:07:24,000
And I think a lot of like wrestling fans as well as wrestlers themselves will tell, will be able to say that it's more important to be able to sell somebody else's move

572
01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:26,000
than to sort of be able to hit your own.

573
01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:35,000
If you can sell a move, you've got 50% of the game done.

574
01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:37,000
Automatically.

575
01:07:37,000 --> 01:07:45,000
You don't need to be the best in the world if you can sell a move, the best life of anyone in the promotion that you're in.

576
01:07:45,000 --> 01:07:52,000
Pete Dunne is definitely on his way to the top of NXT.

577
01:07:52,000 --> 01:07:59,000
NXT, sorry, he's going to go a lot further up through Raw than we're seeing him at the moment.

578
01:07:59,000 --> 01:08:02,000
It'd be nice to see that he does.

579
01:08:02,000 --> 01:08:05,000
I'm just hoping that they stay the course with him.

580
01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:11,000
Give him a continue this little push they've got him on at the moment and sort of go from there.

581
01:08:11,000 --> 01:08:17,000
But yeah, real sort of back and forth between the two of them.

582
01:08:17,000 --> 01:08:24,000
One of the big moments of this match was we saw sort of Ludwig Kaiser make his way out to the ring.

583
01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:29,000
Seem to sort of just basically to come into observe the match.

584
01:08:29,000 --> 01:08:45,000
Now, I get again last week's Raw episode, I believe I made a passing comment about the fact that like Ludwig Kaiser is not somebody you don't take them at their word because their word don't mean shit.

585
01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:58,000
Yeah, if you're standard chicken shit, he'll and he's going to lot that borrowed lion steel, whatever it is that he needs to do to make sure that it goes his way in.

586
01:08:58,000 --> 01:09:03,000
Well, he was out here trying to manipulate the system again.

587
01:09:03,000 --> 01:09:12,000
Yeah, but we knew how we I think everybody sort of knows how this is realistically going to end.

588
01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:18,000
I think it's going to end with Pete Dunn versus Ludwig Kaiser more than a penta Ludwig Kaiser.

589
01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:26,000
It's definitely going to be a Pete Dunn's going to be involved a lot more in the next few weeks to months.

590
01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:32,000
Which isn't again isn't a bad thing.

591
01:09:32,000 --> 01:09:44,000
Would be an interesting a more interesting match between sort of Pete Dunn and Ludwig Kaiser because they are so similar in their styles.

592
01:09:44,000 --> 01:09:50,000
Yeah, definitely. And it would be a big scope for Pete Dunn to take as well with Kaiser.

593
01:09:50,000 --> 01:10:03,000
Yeah, this is it. And I mean, in match three, we see Penta walk out with the win after a Penta driver and winning via pinfall.

594
01:10:03,000 --> 01:10:19,000
But it's a case that it just erupts into a pretty much an all out brawl where we do see Pete Dunn and Ludwig Kaiser focusing mainly on each other rather than rather than trying to go after Penta and sort of Penta just leaves them to.

595
01:10:19,000 --> 01:10:21,000
Really.

596
01:10:21,000 --> 01:10:25,000
And apart from getting involved now we can see which way it's going.

597
01:10:25,000 --> 01:10:31,000
Penta's like, yeah, of course, you know, crack on.

598
01:10:31,000 --> 01:10:37,000
Yeah, odd to bigger and better things.

599
01:10:37,000 --> 01:10:55,000
Next up after this is a another backstage interview promo where again, Kathy Kelly is interviewing this time Jay Uso basically getting his thoughts and feelings around sort of gunters attacks.

600
01:10:55,000 --> 01:11:08,000
And I mean, the big thing I took away from this was sort of Jay's going to feel like he's severely underestimated that he's just sort of basically sick of being doubted by everybody.

601
01:11:08,000 --> 01:11:18,000
Everyone in his peers. It's yeah, I can sort of understand he's the guy who worked is absolute balls off in the Royal Rumble.

602
01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:25,000
He did a good job winning it. Very good job winning it.

603
01:11:25,000 --> 01:11:29,000
It might be John Cena.

604
01:11:29,000 --> 01:11:36,000
Even though it's a John Cena that is not necessarily in the best shape of his life, but still.

605
01:11:36,000 --> 01:11:48,000
And I think it's out the guy that, you know, this is his retirement tour. He could ask for anything and then give it to him and he gave Jay Uso the Royal Rumble, you know.

606
01:11:48,000 --> 01:11:57,000
I generally do think that Cena had a massive part in having Jay so win that Royal Rumble.

607
01:11:57,000 --> 01:12:08,000
Yeah, it's it's Jay Uso's time 100%. And I still think we're going to see that title change hands between him and Gunther at WrestleMania.

608
01:12:08,000 --> 01:12:12,000
I'm not seeing it any other way.

609
01:12:12,000 --> 01:12:15,000
It's kind of got to keep it fresh, I think.

610
01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:22,000
Yeah, it's going to be Jay Uso versus someone that's not going to WrestleMania.

611
01:12:22,000 --> 01:12:27,000
What is in Gunther dropping the title to somebody else, you mean?

612
01:12:27,000 --> 01:12:37,000
It's possible. It sneaks out a third way, especially if you have it where, you know, Gunther loses a match against, say, Cena.

613
01:12:37,000 --> 01:12:40,000
Cena then drops it back to Jay at WrestleMania.

614
01:12:40,000 --> 01:12:43,000
You know, Cena then breaks Ric Flair's record.

615
01:12:43,000 --> 01:12:51,000
Jay gets to, you know, get the biggest pop in the world, sticking a feather in his cap of he beat Cena in the main event at WrestleMania for the title.

616
01:12:51,000 --> 01:13:04,000
Like on his retirement tour, everyone in Cena's last WrestleMania, that could be like a massive feather in the cap for Jay Uso.

617
01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:06,000
Yeah, most definitely.

618
01:13:06,000 --> 01:13:13,000
And it kills a couple of birds with that one big stone, a few storylines that everyone kind of wants to see happen.

619
01:13:13,000 --> 01:13:16,000
We think still do it in the same way.

620
01:13:16,000 --> 01:13:24,000
Cena doesn't need to hold a title for long. It's just him, him breaking that record isn't enough for him, I think.

621
01:13:24,000 --> 01:13:40,000
So if you've only got him from, say, like, you know, Elimination Chamber through to, what's like, Monday Night Raw after Elimination Chamber, for example, through to, like, you know, the Monday Night Raw after WrestleMania.

622
01:13:40,000 --> 01:13:54,000
Or even WrestleMania herself to drop the title back over, you're giving, he's giving back to the WWE, which is what his retirement tour is about with him putting people over, you know, helping them with their character development if they need it,

623
01:13:54,000 --> 01:14:01,000
while he's still there to be able to go right cool. Let's go out into the ring and we'll cut promo, we'll do it that way and we'll teach you how to do it this way.

624
01:14:01,000 --> 01:14:05,000
Like he did with Roman when he had that feud with Roman Reigns.

625
01:14:05,000 --> 01:14:06,000
Yeah.

626
01:14:06,000 --> 01:14:18,000
And, you know, he still gets to break the record. Jay still gets that pop at WrestleMania because if they give him that win anywhere other than WrestleMania, they've wasted that chunk of storyline.

627
01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:32,000
Yeah, they've wasted an awful lot of build and everything else. It's got to, that that win for Jay has got to come at WrestleMania. It doesn't matter who the opponent is, whether it's Cena, Gunther or both of them.

628
01:14:32,000 --> 01:14:57,000
But again, we'll move on as we have a VT recapping the Roxanne Perez, Raquel Rodriguez elimination chamber sort of qualifier, basically the build up to that to be fair.

629
01:14:57,000 --> 01:15:13,000
And once we got to where we are and what's what's left, you know, where the winner of this match slots in within the elimination chamber in just want to say just over 10 days.

630
01:15:13,000 --> 01:15:31,000
Well, it wouldn't be an episode of or a weekly episode of WWE, whether that's raw NXT or SmackDown, if we didn't see at least one, if we didn't see or hear from at least one person during this entire thing.

631
01:15:31,000 --> 01:15:57,000
And that one person that we didn't hear from this week is or this week so far is Bayley. The reason for that is because Bayley had actually a All-Star game this week, which Pat McAfee decided to use the pattern straighter tool that he seems to have bought with him to,

632
01:15:57,000 --> 01:16:19,000
yeah, basically do loafer pictures of Bayley and NBA All-Star game. But yeah, the VT promo that you're talking about was sort of Roxanne Perez laying out her many accomplishments in WWE because Leica or Laita.

633
01:16:19,000 --> 01:16:21,000
She's accomplished.

634
01:16:21,000 --> 01:16:26,000
You can't take away what she's managed to accomplish in such a short time.

635
01:16:26,000 --> 01:16:40,000
No, definitely not. And what she has accomplished in that short time is I think just it's not even a drop in the ocean about where she will go within the industry.

636
01:16:40,000 --> 01:16:53,000
But the first place she's got to go after this VT is into that match with Ricardo Rodriguez. And I think that's going to be a tough match for her.

637
01:16:53,000 --> 01:16:58,000
Most definitely. But before we get there, we've got one more VT.

638
01:16:58,000 --> 01:17:13,000
It's the War Raiders recap from the piss-pull match with American Made last week. And it wasn't even a pull match because of the War Raiders. It was because of American Made and their stupid decisions.

639
01:17:13,000 --> 01:17:20,000
Yeah, it was the end into that match. I just can't wrap my head around it. I really can't.

640
01:17:20,000 --> 01:17:29,000
I don't know if we've already spoken about it tonight and it's not back up again and it's pissed us both off again. Such a wasted match.

641
01:17:29,000 --> 01:17:31,000
Such a wasted opportunity.

642
01:17:31,000 --> 01:17:32,000
Right.

643
01:17:32,000 --> 01:17:47,000
Yeah, basically the War Raiders have come in their VT basically say, look, if ever you manage to make it to that spot again, to challenge for those titles, you just best be prepared for a war.

644
01:17:47,000 --> 01:17:57,000
So it seems like the War Raiders feel like they may have underestimated the Creed Brothers of American Made and maybe paid the price for it a little bit.

645
01:17:57,000 --> 01:18:04,000
But we've held their titles and they could have been worse.

646
01:18:04,000 --> 01:18:06,000
Oh, most definitely.

647
01:18:06,000 --> 01:18:15,000
Master Gable could be getting his wish and coming back to having American Made or holding titles. Master Gable.

648
01:18:15,000 --> 01:18:19,000
I mean, he's not off to a great start so far.

649
01:18:19,000 --> 01:18:21,000
Last week the Creed Brothers...

650
01:18:21,000 --> 01:18:24,000
I think Lyle's not had her opportunity.

651
01:18:24,000 --> 01:18:36,000
Well, she squandered her opportunity as she didn't manage to advance earlier on. But we've spoken about that. We're not going to go back and talk about American Made anymore this week.

652
01:18:36,000 --> 01:18:40,000
As we're going to talk more about this...

653
01:18:40,000 --> 01:18:42,000
Elimination.

654
01:18:42,000 --> 01:18:45,000
This elimination came from qualifier.

655
01:18:45,000 --> 01:18:51,000
Between Roxanne Perez and Raquel Rodriguez of the New Day.

656
01:18:51,000 --> 01:18:52,000
Judgement day.

657
01:18:52,000 --> 01:18:59,000
Judgement day. That's the one. The New Day. That's an interesting one. I need it to be a New Day.

658
01:18:59,000 --> 01:19:02,000
It's a New Day. Yes, it is.

659
01:19:02,000 --> 01:19:11,000
Now, I broke this match down a little bit differently to how I normally do. And I did it for a very specific reason.

660
01:19:11,000 --> 01:19:21,000
So, in my view, Raquel Rodriguez held a number of...

661
01:19:21,000 --> 01:19:23,000
... number of...

662
01:19:23,000 --> 01:19:27,000
... advantages going into this match.

663
01:19:27,000 --> 01:19:35,000
The numbers game, she came in with Liv Morgan, who was at ringside throughout the entire match. So, that's the numbers game.

664
01:19:35,000 --> 01:19:44,000
Raquel Rodriguez's size over Roxanne Perez is always going to be more of an advantage than a disadvantage.

665
01:19:44,000 --> 01:19:49,000
And one of the other bits that I took note of was...

666
01:19:49,000 --> 01:19:54,000
Raquel Rodriguez hasn't wrestled in a little while.

667
01:19:54,000 --> 01:19:58,000
Which normally we would be looking at as a disadvantage.

668
01:19:58,000 --> 01:20:05,000
So, Roxanne Perez went through an absolute... went through a main event match at vengeance day.

669
01:20:05,000 --> 01:20:08,000
It was only 48 hours ago.

670
01:20:08,000 --> 01:20:13,000
It was a main event as well. Like, three or four ways, it never pleasant.

671
01:20:13,000 --> 01:20:20,000
Roxanne Perez was quite active within that one.

672
01:20:20,000 --> 01:20:28,000
Yeah, this is it. And yeah, it just... it was...

673
01:20:28,000 --> 01:20:34,000
It all added up to some disadvantages for Perez in my view.

674
01:20:34,000 --> 01:20:38,000
And...

675
01:20:38,000 --> 01:20:41,000
I don't know, it just...

676
01:20:41,000 --> 01:20:46,000
It felt like the decks were very much stacked against Roxanne Perez for this fight.

677
01:20:46,000 --> 01:20:56,000
She had to pull out something pretty special to be able to walk out of this a winner.

678
01:20:56,000 --> 01:20:59,000
Yeah, and...

679
01:20:59,000 --> 01:21:05,000
But then, when you look at it in a different aspect,

680
01:21:05,000 --> 01:21:13,000
we know the quality of Roxanne Perez is a lot higher than Raquel Rodriguez.

681
01:21:13,000 --> 01:21:17,000
So, I really...

682
01:21:17,000 --> 01:21:22,000
I personally, when I went into watching this match, pretty much kind of...

683
01:21:22,000 --> 01:21:26,000
Guess where it was going from the start.

684
01:21:26,000 --> 01:21:28,000
And...

685
01:21:28,000 --> 01:21:33,000
Yeah, no, as much as I enjoyed watching how...

686
01:21:33,000 --> 01:21:42,000
Sort of intense this match was, I pretty much got it from the beginning, where I thought it was going to go.

687
01:21:42,000 --> 01:21:45,000
Yeah, it was...

688
01:21:45,000 --> 01:21:50,000
It didn't make much sense putting Raquel Rodriguez into the Elimination Chamber.

689
01:21:50,000 --> 01:21:54,000
So, and I can't even tell you why.

690
01:21:54,000 --> 01:22:01,000
I think it's more of the fact that, yes, she'd have had Liv Morgan in there with her, but...

691
01:22:01,000 --> 01:22:11,000
Her character is not quite strong enough at the moment, I don't think, to be in matches of that calibre.

692
01:22:11,000 --> 01:22:14,000
No, and...

693
01:22:14,000 --> 01:22:22,000
Yeah, I'll sort of agree with that, despite the fact of how much of a dominant superstar Raquel Rodriguez is.

694
01:22:22,000 --> 01:22:27,000
It's Roxanne Perez's time. It isn't Raquel Rodriguez's time.

695
01:22:27,000 --> 01:22:33,000
No, we've been saying for weeks as well that we're expecting Roxanne Perez to come up from NXT.

696
01:22:33,000 --> 01:22:39,000
We've seen her making a lot more appearances on Raw.

697
01:22:39,000 --> 01:22:47,000
And it's working. She's getting the reaction that she needs. She's getting the push that she kind of deserves to be fair.

698
01:22:47,000 --> 01:22:52,000
And it was all just fitting into place for Roxanne Perez at the moment.

699
01:22:52,000 --> 01:23:01,000
Yeah, most definitely. And Perez manages to combat the numbers game on this ridiculously well, of course.

700
01:23:01,000 --> 01:23:10,000
And it's helped by the fact that Bianca Belair and Naomi do eventually end up catching up to more so Liv Morgan.

701
01:23:10,000 --> 01:23:14,000
Yeah, Raquel Rodriguez didn't really get what she deserved from this.

702
01:23:14,000 --> 01:23:21,000
They were... I think they probably realized that Liv was an easier target.

703
01:23:21,000 --> 01:23:31,000
And they didn't really... If they'd have interfered with Raquel Rodriguez, they'd have automatically given the win to Roxanne Perez.

704
01:23:31,000 --> 01:23:37,000
So it's a little bit of a... It's a strange one.

705
01:23:37,000 --> 01:23:47,000
There wasn't much they could have done without really interfering and kind of screwing it over for everyone else.

706
01:23:47,000 --> 01:23:54,000
Yeah. There's obviously they don't have an issue with Roxanne Perez, as we're aware of at this point.

707
01:23:54,000 --> 01:24:00,000
So a small allegiance between the two of them or the three of them could have been interesting.

708
01:24:00,000 --> 01:24:04,000
I just don't think it's something that Roxanne Perez needs at the moment.

709
01:24:04,000 --> 01:24:08,000
No, most definitely not.

710
01:24:08,000 --> 01:24:14,000
Roxanne Perez is very much making her own opportunities. She's making things happen for herself.

711
01:24:14,000 --> 01:24:19,000
She doesn't necessarily need somebody to put her over in that way.

712
01:24:19,000 --> 01:24:22,000
No, she's done it well enough herself.

713
01:24:22,000 --> 01:24:32,000
And I mean, it comes to the end of this match and Perez is... Secures the last spot in the chamber.

714
01:24:32,000 --> 01:24:40,000
And this means that the match is now set as Naomi and Belair are two entrants.

715
01:24:40,000 --> 01:24:47,000
They have Liv Morgan as a third, Bailey as number four.

716
01:24:47,000 --> 01:24:53,000
Obviously Roxanne Perez at six.

717
01:24:53,000 --> 01:24:56,000
One more missing.

718
01:24:56,000 --> 01:24:58,000
Eoskye?

719
01:24:58,000 --> 01:25:06,000
No, Eoskye has not qualified for the elimination chamber.

720
01:25:06,000 --> 01:25:13,000
I can't say the name of this particular superstar because I have an Amazon Echo device that likes to listen.

721
01:25:13,000 --> 01:25:15,000
Alex Bliss, yes.

722
01:25:15,000 --> 01:25:17,000
There we go.

723
01:25:17,000 --> 01:25:20,000
There we go. Mine's unplugged at the moment.

724
01:25:20,000 --> 01:25:22,000
Yeah, mine is not.

725
01:25:22,000 --> 01:25:30,000
I had an unfortunate incident with mine a few weeks ago and I unplugged it and left it unplugged.

726
01:25:30,000 --> 01:25:35,000
Okay, fair enough.

727
01:25:35,000 --> 01:25:40,000
Yeah, the women's elimination chamber match is now locked in.

728
01:25:40,000 --> 01:25:43,000
We know who's taking part.

729
01:25:43,000 --> 01:25:52,000
And it's difficult at this stage to discern the overall winner.

730
01:25:52,000 --> 01:26:00,000
By looking at the women's elimination chamber,

731
01:26:00,000 --> 01:26:09,000
a lot of them, I mean, Liv Morgan and Alexa Bliss haven't been back in WWE very long.

732
01:26:09,000 --> 01:26:12,000
Alexa Bliss, sorry, hasn't been back in very long.

733
01:26:12,000 --> 01:26:15,000
She made her return at the Royal Rumble.

734
01:26:15,000 --> 01:26:22,000
Bailey could be a good shout, but it should be one of three.

735
01:26:22,000 --> 01:26:29,000
Bianca Belair and Naomi aren't getting it purely for the fact that they've got the tag belts at the moment.

736
01:26:29,000 --> 01:26:37,000
So they're not going to split a tag up to send one of them to the main event at WrestleMania to try and take on a singles title.

737
01:26:37,000 --> 01:26:39,000
Unless one of them has a heel turn.

738
01:26:39,000 --> 01:26:42,000
Yeah, but neither of them have really earned it.

739
01:26:42,000 --> 01:26:45,000
No.

740
01:26:45,000 --> 01:26:50,000
My money at the moment would be between Roxanne Perez and Liv Morgan.

741
01:26:50,000 --> 01:26:58,000
I'm actually going to go out there and say my money's Roxanne Perez to win the elimination chamber.

742
01:26:58,000 --> 01:27:02,000
The predictable answer out of this one for me would be Liv Morgan.

743
01:27:02,000 --> 01:27:17,000
Obviously Liv Morgan and Rhea Ripley have torn the house down more recently in a phenomenal series of matches where Rhea ultimately came out on top.

744
01:27:17,000 --> 01:27:18,000
It could be.

745
01:27:18,000 --> 01:27:20,000
What we have a reversal.

746
01:27:20,000 --> 01:27:27,000
We send Liv Morgan back to Rhea Ripley and then we come out with Liv Morgan on top.

747
01:27:27,000 --> 01:27:33,000
I mean, either one of those two women on top is a dream for most people realistically.

748
01:27:33,000 --> 01:27:40,000
It is definitely an interesting match idea.

749
01:27:40,000 --> 01:27:46,000
And we can tell by the fact that Rich is stammering that he's thinking about it a little bit too much.

750
01:27:46,000 --> 01:27:51,000
No, Rich is just messaging his wife back.

751
01:27:51,000 --> 01:27:53,000
Convenient that one.

752
01:27:53,000 --> 01:28:11,000
Anyway, we're going to move on from a fantasies and all the rest of it to talk about the backstage promo that happens next where we see Kathy Kelly who's getting about a bit tonight interviewing Seth Rollins.

753
01:28:11,000 --> 01:28:15,000
And we basically get to it.

754
01:28:15,000 --> 01:28:29,000
Yeah, I mean, it's a build up to his match in a little while with Finn Balor and Kathy Kelly's managed to get away with asking some pretty pretty interesting questions over the course of the this episode as well.

755
01:28:29,000 --> 01:28:42,000
And she's feel like Seth wasn't quite expecting her to go the way she did with the questions that she was asking.

756
01:28:42,000 --> 01:28:45,000
Yeah, I can see that.

757
01:28:45,000 --> 01:28:53,000
I think it was more of a it was going to be a case of like, you know, you've got this match against Finn Balor. What's what are you going to do?

758
01:28:53,000 --> 01:29:00,000
Where we already know what they he's going to try and do. It's Seth Rollins.

759
01:29:00,000 --> 01:29:17,000
And he does the same. It's the same sort of heel. Seth Rollins that we've we've kind of seen a lot of to be fair. So it's all very predictable from Seth at the moment for me.

760
01:29:17,000 --> 01:29:26,000
Yeah, this is it. And I mean, Seth Rollins leaves to to go and prepare for his match, which is next.

761
01:29:26,000 --> 01:29:37,000
This backstage promo isn't over because we see Carrie and Cross and Scarlett come out and make their and make an appearance.

762
01:29:37,000 --> 01:29:39,000
We haven't seen them in a little while.

763
01:29:39,000 --> 01:29:42,000
And he goes straight for Sami Zayn.

764
01:29:42,000 --> 01:29:46,000
Like, why is everyone really?

765
01:29:46,000 --> 01:30:01,000
I mean, Carrie and Cross we know has had a bit of a bit of a hard on for Sami Zayn recently. He seems to feel like he's got his claws into him, maybe.

766
01:30:01,000 --> 01:30:07,000
Where I don't know if he's deluding himself or maybe he's seeing something we're not.

767
01:30:07,000 --> 01:30:22,000
It's difficult to say which one, but he certainly thinks he's onto something as he is determined to try and support and tear down Sami Zayn all at the same time.

768
01:30:22,000 --> 01:30:31,000
Yeah, he's definitely trying to make it difficult for whether he's Sami's friend or not.

769
01:30:31,000 --> 01:30:40,000
He was kind of coming in from both angles. The wonderful Sami's kind of he really doesn't get the best of it.

770
01:30:40,000 --> 01:30:48,000
Does he tell me like he always ends up getting caught out or stabbed in the back by someone.

771
01:30:48,000 --> 01:30:54,000
No, he doesn't get the best of the best of runs with it. It doesn't matter what's going on.

772
01:30:54,000 --> 01:31:00,000
He does always seem to catch the raw end of it, which again, is not a pun.

773
01:31:00,000 --> 01:31:04,000
Was that pun intended? That was a good one if it was.

774
01:31:04,000 --> 01:31:06,000
No, it really wasn't.

775
01:31:06,000 --> 01:31:16,000
But yeah, I mean, it's a case that there's...

776
01:31:16,000 --> 01:31:26,000
I think Karian Cross is going to start playing a more active role in Sami Zayn's storylines and the run up to WrestleMania.

777
01:31:26,000 --> 01:31:30,000
And I think he's going to play a part in this.

778
01:31:30,000 --> 01:31:41,000
It is possibly... I've got a feeling he's going to end up being involved in some way in this unsanctioned match between him and Kevin Owens at Elimination Chamber.

779
01:31:41,000 --> 01:31:44,000
It's not completely outside the realms of possibility.

780
01:31:44,000 --> 01:31:50,000
Well, it is one of four confirmed matches for Elimination Chamber.

781
01:31:50,000 --> 01:31:59,000
It's a possibility that we can see him. I would say it's an unsanctioned match. Anything is possible.

782
01:31:59,000 --> 01:32:01,000
Yeah, this is it.

783
01:32:01,000 --> 01:32:05,000
So I think we've got to keep our eyes peeled for that one and see how that one develops.

784
01:32:05,000 --> 01:32:15,000
But we go... Before we make our way to the main event of the evening, we go to Aviti Promo,

785
01:32:15,000 --> 01:32:24,000
and we've got to see... Basically, EO Sky plugging her match with Rhea Ripley in two weeks' time for the WWE...

786
01:32:24,000 --> 01:32:28,000
Yeah, it's going to be a good one to draw after Elimination Chamber, isn't it?

787
01:32:28,000 --> 01:32:30,000
Yeah, definitely.

788
01:32:30,000 --> 01:32:32,000
I mean, I think that would be a happy match.

789
01:32:32,000 --> 01:32:40,000
I don't think EO is going to walk away with the title, but I think it's going to be a very, very good match.

790
01:32:40,000 --> 01:32:49,000
Yeah, and... Actually, I think I've vastly underestimated how much more of Raw we've got to go here,

791
01:32:49,000 --> 01:32:56,000
because as well as that VT promo, we have an in-ring promo with The New Day.

792
01:32:56,000 --> 01:32:59,000
Yep, we do.

793
01:32:59,000 --> 01:33:11,000
And it was basically just, you know, it was a little recap of them giving a beat down to Rey Mysterio last week,

794
01:33:11,000 --> 01:33:23,000
where Dragon Lee came in to help Rey and open up a can of whoop-ass on The New Day.

795
01:33:23,000 --> 01:33:29,000
Yeah, and again, The New Day are sort of... They're not really...

796
01:33:29,000 --> 01:33:34,000
They haven't got their eyes open to what it is that they are...

797
01:33:34,000 --> 01:33:39,000
to the image that they're portraying it would seem,

798
01:33:39,000 --> 01:33:47,000
because they don't really understand why everybody goes in after them because of how they treated Big E.

799
01:33:47,000 --> 01:33:56,000
Even during this promo, they end up calling Big E lazy when we obviously know that he's out on a permanent injury.

800
01:33:56,000 --> 01:33:59,000
Yeah, he's not returning.

801
01:33:59,000 --> 01:34:09,000
Yeah, if he returns, it'll be for a retirement, like, I'm retiring in the middle of the ring with everyone doing the thank you Big E,

802
01:34:09,000 --> 01:34:12,000
and that'll be sort of like it.

803
01:34:12,000 --> 01:34:16,000
You'll go back to being... I think he's working as a writer at the moment.

804
01:34:16,000 --> 01:34:23,000
I think he's actually working as on-screen backstage.

805
01:34:23,000 --> 01:34:30,000
It's a case that we've seen him do some kickoff show, bits and pieces and things like that.

806
01:34:30,000 --> 01:34:36,000
So I think they've found a place for Big E. I think they've found a way to keep him around,

807
01:34:36,000 --> 01:34:43,000
which is nice to see because they could have just easily said, you know what, Big E, you're not of any use to us anymore.

808
01:34:43,000 --> 01:34:47,000
So we're not going to keep paying you away just because we feel sorry for you.

809
01:34:47,000 --> 01:34:52,000
Guess what? It's time for you to start a new day.

810
01:34:52,000 --> 01:34:55,000
Yeah, pretty much.

811
01:34:55,000 --> 01:35:00,000
But yeah, I mean, they even...

812
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:08,000
I mean, they've done quite a lot of running down of Rey Mysterio over the last few months, generally.

813
01:35:08,000 --> 01:35:14,000
They seem to have really taken an exception to good ol' Rey.

814
01:35:14,000 --> 01:35:20,000
And I actually went into a bit of detail with this one and tried to...

815
01:35:20,000 --> 01:35:23,000
try to fact-check a few of their points.

816
01:35:23,000 --> 01:35:27,000
I'm not sure I did it in the best way, if I'm honest, but...

817
01:35:27,000 --> 01:35:36,000
So Woods runs down Mysterio as somebody who sucks the lives of every fresh-faced luchador.

818
01:35:36,000 --> 01:35:38,000
Great since WWE.

819
01:35:38,000 --> 01:35:44,000
I thought that was quite a good little remark for a member of the new day.

820
01:35:44,000 --> 01:35:46,000
Yeah.

821
01:35:46,000 --> 01:35:48,000
I thought it was quite impressive.

822
01:35:48,000 --> 01:35:51,000
But Kofi...

823
01:35:51,000 --> 01:35:57,000
Kofi's the one that came out with the more hard-hitting lines here,

824
01:35:57,000 --> 01:36:04,000
where he sort of points out that he's been in the WWE longer than Rey Mysterio.

825
01:36:04,000 --> 01:36:08,000
And has had more titles than him as well.

826
01:36:08,000 --> 01:36:12,000
Now, I didn't go into...

827
01:36:12,000 --> 01:36:14,000
See, I fact-checked this as well.

828
01:36:14,000 --> 01:36:17,000
Well, I did it when you were going to.

829
01:36:17,000 --> 01:36:18,000
Ah, fair enough.

830
01:36:18,000 --> 01:36:25,000
So Rey Mysterio has had 16 titles and he's been a Royal Rumble winner.

831
01:36:25,000 --> 01:36:30,000
Whereas Kofi Kingston has had 23 titles in WWE

832
01:36:30,000 --> 01:36:37,000
and is currently a 15-time tag team champion, having had different partners throughout.

833
01:36:37,000 --> 01:36:44,000
But he himself has held 15 tag team championships.

834
01:36:44,000 --> 01:36:46,000
That is impressive.

835
01:36:46,000 --> 01:36:51,000
Very impressive considering Rey's only had 16 titles in total.

836
01:36:51,000 --> 01:36:55,000
And Kofi's done 15 tag team championships.

837
01:36:55,000 --> 01:36:57,000
Ooh.

838
01:36:57,000 --> 01:37:05,000
I mean, it's important to realise that both Rey and Kofi have each held a heavyweight championship as well.

839
01:37:05,000 --> 01:37:06,000
Yes.

840
01:37:06,000 --> 01:37:09,000
Rey for longer than Kofi, I believe.

841
01:37:09,000 --> 01:37:17,000
I think I could have possibly held a heavyweight champion.

842
01:37:17,000 --> 01:37:18,000
He did.

843
01:37:18,000 --> 01:37:21,000
And I still am really upset with that.

844
01:37:21,000 --> 01:37:31,000
I think that it just felt like a massive kick to the nuts for Kofi Kingston at the time.

845
01:37:31,000 --> 01:37:37,000
And yeah, just don't think it was handled in the way that it was supposed to have been.

846
01:37:37,000 --> 01:37:44,000
But you mentioned Dragon Lee coming out to help Rey Mysterio.

847
01:37:44,000 --> 01:37:51,000
Well, this time the LWO came out to have a little mouth off at the New Day.

848
01:37:51,000 --> 01:37:54,000
They're building something into this, I think.

849
01:37:54,000 --> 01:37:58,000
It's not entirely sure where I think it's going yet,

850
01:37:58,000 --> 01:38:07,000
but it is definitely going to involve some interesting tag matches between the New Day and the LWO.

851
01:38:07,000 --> 01:38:09,000
Oh, 100%.

852
01:38:09,000 --> 01:38:13,000
They are 100% working up to something.

853
01:38:13,000 --> 01:38:18,000
They're just not entirely clear as to what they're working up to just yet.

854
01:38:18,000 --> 01:38:24,000
But it's going somewhere.

855
01:38:24,000 --> 01:38:32,000
But LWO come down and basically New Day run off like a couple of scolded cats.

856
01:38:32,000 --> 01:38:37,000
They do not stick around very much and that sort of brings that promo to an end.

857
01:38:37,000 --> 01:38:43,000
We've got one more promo to go before the main event.

858
01:38:43,000 --> 01:38:50,000
This was a backstage promo where yet again, Kathy Kelly really earning her money this week.

859
01:38:50,000 --> 01:38:56,000
Catches up with Bianca Belair and Naomi.

860
01:38:56,000 --> 01:39:03,000
She does eventually and we get to find out from Bianca and Naomi what the deal is.

861
01:39:03,000 --> 01:39:13,000
Yeah, so the tag champs sort of feel that they've been vindicated because I think they suspected that

862
01:39:13,000 --> 01:39:26,000
they suspected that Liv and Raquel had something to do with Jade Cargill's being out on injury at some point.

863
01:39:26,000 --> 01:39:32,000
Or they've known all along and just not been able to prove it.

864
01:39:32,000 --> 01:39:41,000
Yeah, and then obviously we keep getting shown snippets from that same little clip from SmackDown.

865
01:39:41,000 --> 01:39:45,000
Yeah, this is it.

866
01:39:45,000 --> 01:39:50,000
Which is a very misleading clip because you don't actually see anyone laying the boot in.

867
01:39:50,000 --> 01:39:57,000
You just see Liv and Raquel walking around in the underground while Jade Cargill has been put into an ambulance.

868
01:39:57,000 --> 01:40:00,000
It could just be a massive coincidence.

869
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:01,000
It could.

870
01:40:01,000 --> 01:40:15,000
It's not outside the realms of possibility for that to happen but we can't always deal in that sort of conjecture.

871
01:40:15,000 --> 01:40:21,000
It's a case that it will be what it will be.

872
01:40:21,000 --> 01:40:32,000
And yeah, they basically just then go on to talk about their strategy going into elimination chamber.

873
01:40:32,000 --> 01:40:40,000
Which they hold an advantage depending on where they start or where they come in in relation to one another.

874
01:40:40,000 --> 01:40:51,000
It's a case that they've certainly got the numbers advantage in the elimination chamber which is a pretty hefty advantage to have.

875
01:40:51,000 --> 01:40:58,000
Yeah, but I think with the other four women in there there's going to be some other allegiances forming.

876
01:40:58,000 --> 01:41:08,000
So it could end up with a little while with some really sort of strange combinations of people within that chamber.

877
01:41:08,000 --> 01:41:13,000
Like I said, depending on who comes in and where and who gets what elimination.

878
01:41:13,000 --> 01:41:23,000
But you might get to a point where no matter what tactics you put together, you might not end up in the chamber at the same time.

879
01:41:23,000 --> 01:41:25,000
No, this is it.

880
01:41:25,000 --> 01:41:28,000
This is it.

881
01:41:28,000 --> 01:41:39,000
Right, well this main event I thought was absolutely kind of, it started off really well but then went quite lacklustre and then came back with a bit of stonking ended.

882
01:41:39,000 --> 01:41:45,000
So I don't know about you, but yeah, I thought it was really, really good.

883
01:41:45,000 --> 01:41:57,000
I mean, I got a lot of notes down for it and we knew that when you're looking at Restless the caliber of like Seth Rollins and Finn Balor.

884
01:41:57,000 --> 01:42:01,000
Despite the fact that Finn Balor has not been on the best of runs recently.

885
01:42:01,000 --> 01:42:02,000
No.

886
01:42:02,000 --> 01:42:05,000
It's a case that you know you're in for a good match.

887
01:42:05,000 --> 01:42:13,000
We've had programmes involving these two guys before which they've gone out and absolutely torn houses down.

888
01:42:13,000 --> 01:42:24,000
I mean, look at the inaugural Universal Championship match was between these two guys and you've just got to look at that on YouTube to know what sort of match these guys will push out.

889
01:42:24,000 --> 01:42:33,000
Yeah, I mean we're staring down the barrel in this main event of the 11th time that these two are faced off against one another one on one.

890
01:42:33,000 --> 01:42:38,000
So these guys know each other really well.

891
01:42:38,000 --> 01:42:44,000
They're there, yeah, and we know how professional they're going to be but...

892
01:42:44,000 --> 01:42:53,000
Well you say that but this match didn't start in a clean professional manner because like Finn Balor and the Seth Rollins straight out the gate before the bell.

893
01:42:53,000 --> 01:43:05,000
Trying to basically kind of get over how desperate he was to secure that win and he was going to use as much aggression as he possibly could to make sure he got that down.

894
01:43:05,000 --> 01:43:16,000
Well we've been talking obviously about the cracks that have started to appear in Judgment Day and things like that where there seems to be a bit of a power struggle.

895
01:43:16,000 --> 01:43:31,000
And I've got a feeling that part of Finn Balor's desperation to get this win in the bag was sort of to in his own mind to try and secure a more stable leadership position in what is the new day at the moment.

896
01:43:31,000 --> 01:43:36,000
Because he's already feeling threatened by Don Mysterio which is strange.

897
01:43:36,000 --> 01:43:37,000
Which is strange.

898
01:43:37,000 --> 01:43:39,000
Inadvertently taken over.

899
01:43:39,000 --> 01:43:51,000
Yeah, he's been, everyone's kind of clung to him especially sort of Liv Morgan and Raquel Rodriguez. They've looking more at Don as the leader of New Day where, I'm not New Day, Judgment Day sorry.

900
01:43:51,000 --> 01:43:57,000
And it's very much, yeah, Finn feels threatened by this.

901
01:43:57,000 --> 01:44:11,000
But I think this is also part of the reason why we find over the course of the last few weeks where Don's been trying to get an extra member in that Finn's really against it because that puts him in a weaker position.

902
01:44:11,000 --> 01:44:15,000
Especially if it's someone that gets on well with Don Liv and Raquel.

903
01:44:15,000 --> 01:44:20,000
He's going to get pushed out one way there, isn't it?

904
01:44:20,000 --> 01:44:37,000
Yeah, this is it. And I mean, Finn could look at that really as being an opportunity to, like the word, to try and bring somebody in to support his position a little bit more.

905
01:44:37,000 --> 01:44:56,000
If he could get a strong individual to come in and support his position unequivocably, then he'd be set because there'd be less of a power struggle if he's got a big fricking bruiser behind him.

906
01:44:56,000 --> 01:44:57,000
Well yeah.

907
01:44:57,000 --> 01:45:02,000
In the same way that Liv Morgan walks around with Raquel Rodriguez.

908
01:45:02,000 --> 01:45:12,000
Yeah, but trying to find the right person for Finn Balor is going to be a difficult task in that approach, I think.

909
01:45:12,000 --> 01:45:21,000
Yeah, because the only person that really seems to fit that bill unfortunately left Judgment Day and moved to Smackdown.

910
01:45:21,000 --> 01:45:23,000
Damian Priest.

911
01:45:23,000 --> 01:45:36,000
I was going to say Damian Priest fits that really well and I'm not sure who won the Raw roster would fit that description, if I'm honest.

912
01:45:36,000 --> 01:45:39,000
I can't think of anyone off the top of my head.

913
01:45:39,000 --> 01:45:44,000
No, but Finn and Coral.

914
01:45:44,000 --> 01:45:55,000
I was going to say there were a good few spots in this match in fairness, again, with the fact that these guys have faced off so many times, we know they work well together.

915
01:45:55,000 --> 01:45:59,000
And yeah, they were setting each other up really well.

916
01:45:59,000 --> 01:46:05,000
It just very much gelled in the ring for both of these gents.

917
01:46:05,000 --> 01:46:09,000
I will say I very much enjoyed watching Finn Balor hit Seth with his own pedigree.

918
01:46:09,000 --> 01:46:14,000
I mean, he pulled it off for a two count, so he pulled it off reasonably well.

919
01:46:14,000 --> 01:46:17,000
But yeah, it's not very often you see Seth eating a pedigree.

920
01:46:17,000 --> 01:46:21,000
I think Hunter was the last one who made him eat a decent pedigree, so...

921
01:46:21,000 --> 01:46:25,000
Yeah, probably.

922
01:46:25,000 --> 01:46:27,000
And I mean, lots of...

923
01:46:27,000 --> 01:46:32,000
Like, these guys pulling off moves that we don't see them do very often.

924
01:46:32,000 --> 01:46:39,000
I mean, I can't remember the last time I saw Seth Rollins cinching a sharpshooter.

925
01:46:39,000 --> 01:46:40,000
No.

926
01:46:40,000 --> 01:46:42,000
Did it in this match to Balor?

927
01:46:42,000 --> 01:46:50,000
Yeah, I mean, considering this was Finn Balor's first match since...

928
01:46:50,000 --> 01:46:54,000
Is this his first match since his Street Fight with Damian Priest?

929
01:46:54,000 --> 01:46:58,000
It's certainly his first one-on-one singles match.

930
01:46:58,000 --> 01:47:06,000
He still looked like he was not 100% fluid from what we know you can get from Finn Balor,

931
01:47:06,000 --> 01:47:13,000
but whether that was just because he's hurting still from that beat down he took from Damian Priest,

932
01:47:13,000 --> 01:47:19,000
or if it's more of an emotional wearing down and he's just not fully there.

933
01:47:19,000 --> 01:47:24,000
Like, he's having some issues with the Judgment Day, he's having some issues in this match as well,

934
01:47:24,000 --> 01:47:30,000
he's been on the wrong end of a few moves that I wouldn't want to be on the right side of.

935
01:47:30,000 --> 01:47:36,000
There's a springboard flying near one point of Finn Balor eats, and I'm not going to lie to you,

936
01:47:36,000 --> 01:47:41,000
it looked like it hurt.

937
01:47:41,000 --> 01:47:44,000
Yeah, it's like...

938
01:47:44,000 --> 01:47:49,000
The one thing I noticed during several points in this match as well is

939
01:47:49,000 --> 01:47:59,000
there were lots of people in the crowd that were using the flashlight on their smart phones.

940
01:47:59,000 --> 01:48:01,000
They were pushing this thing away.

941
01:48:01,000 --> 01:48:04,000
I can tell you why, if you don't know.

942
01:48:04,000 --> 01:48:06,000
Yeah, please.

943
01:48:06,000 --> 01:48:16,000
So that recording of Raw was the anniversary of the last time Bray Wyatt stood in a WWE ring.

944
01:48:16,000 --> 01:48:20,000
I think it was the third year anniversary or second year.

945
01:48:20,000 --> 01:48:25,000
But yeah, it's the anniversary of the last time that Bray Wyatt stood in a WWE ring,

946
01:48:25,000 --> 01:48:27,000
so they had all the fireflies out for that.

947
01:48:27,000 --> 01:48:33,000
I thought they might have bought in, like a surprise appearance from a member of the Wyatt Six.

948
01:48:33,000 --> 01:48:38,000
No they're over on SmackDown at the moment, we haven't really seen them since they transferred over.

949
01:48:38,000 --> 01:48:43,000
But I wasn't sure if they'd do something for it, but yeah, I have seen on,

950
01:48:43,000 --> 01:48:49,000
I had seen earlier that morning that social media, that's what they've done.

951
01:48:49,000 --> 01:48:55,000
Obviously the time difference between them airing it live and me getting to watch it sometimes is a good few hours.

952
01:48:55,000 --> 01:49:00,000
So I always end up seeing a few bits on social media first thing in the morning.

953
01:49:00,000 --> 01:49:04,000
See, I hadn't put that sort of two and two together.

954
01:49:04,000 --> 01:49:07,000
I hadn't sort of figured that bit out.

955
01:49:07,000 --> 01:49:10,000
It didn't make sense with what I was seeing in the ring,

956
01:49:10,000 --> 01:49:13,000
but now you've said that it makes complete sense.

957
01:49:13,000 --> 01:49:17,000
And to be fair, what a match to have on as a main event.

958
01:49:17,000 --> 01:49:23,000
On a tribute Bray Wyatt, he also had some incredible main event matches.

959
01:49:23,000 --> 01:49:31,000
And I believe he had an incredible elimination chamber match in, I think it was last year, or was it the year before?

960
01:49:31,000 --> 01:49:36,000
Well, it's been over a year since we've lost him, so it wouldn't have been last year.

961
01:49:36,000 --> 01:49:42,000
No, I'm just trying to work out when it was to be fair, but I remember seeing some clips on social media of him and the elimination chamber,

962
01:49:42,000 --> 01:49:47,000
and it was absolutely phenomenal. I can't remember which year it was off the top of my head though.

963
01:49:47,000 --> 01:49:50,000
Yeah, Wyndham Ratunda was lost way too soon.

964
01:49:50,000 --> 01:49:52,000
Definitely.

965
01:49:52,000 --> 01:49:55,000
But we'll digress from there.

966
01:49:55,000 --> 01:49:59,000
I am actually going to bring back to a certain point that you've mentioned earlier on,

967
01:49:59,000 --> 01:50:05,000
because it has ended up being quite a pivotal point in the matches that you mentioned about

968
01:50:05,000 --> 01:50:08,000
Rollins hitting Balor with a pedigree.

969
01:50:08,000 --> 01:50:13,000
This was a controversial pin attempt that came up against it, because

970
01:50:13,000 --> 01:50:19,000
literally I put it down that he achieved like a 2.9 out of 3k

971
01:50:19,000 --> 01:50:23,000
to the point that Seth Rollins thought he'd won it.

972
01:50:23,000 --> 01:50:30,000
And the ref actually gets a hell of a lot of stick for this match call in the end of it,

973
01:50:30,000 --> 01:50:38,000
just from Rollins himself, who ends up in a very DX sort of way telling him to...

974
01:50:38,000 --> 01:50:40,000
Suck it!

975
01:50:40,000 --> 01:50:43,000
Yep.

976
01:50:43,000 --> 01:50:46,000
Even the crowd starts sort of chanting,

977
01:50:46,000 --> 01:50:48,000
ref you suck.

978
01:50:48,000 --> 01:50:54,000
Which is always nice to get on over on the refs.

979
01:50:54,000 --> 01:50:59,000
It's nice to see them get grilled such as much as some of the wrestlers do.

980
01:50:59,000 --> 01:51:06,000
Yeah, but that little exchange between Rollins and the refs sort of gave Balor

981
01:51:06,000 --> 01:51:11,000
a bit of a new lease on life in the match, started sort of fighting back into it.

982
01:51:11,000 --> 01:51:18,000
Rollins at some point during this match ends up quite early on doing some damage to his ribs

983
01:51:18,000 --> 01:51:24,000
and Balor zeroes in on it like the pro he is.

984
01:51:24,000 --> 01:51:30,000
To the point obviously one of Balor's favourite finishing moves, the good grass,

985
01:51:30,000 --> 01:51:37,000
is specifically targeting ribs normally.

986
01:51:37,000 --> 01:51:44,000
Yeah, so you could see within the match that Rollins was targeting a lot of Balor's left knee,

987
01:51:44,000 --> 01:51:49,000
but Balor was targeting a lot of Rollins midsection and the commentary team even throughout the match

988
01:51:49,000 --> 01:52:01,000
keep referring back to these sort of possible storyline injuries between the two different wrestlers.

989
01:52:01,000 --> 01:52:07,000
Yeah, and again it just speaks to the history between the two superstars in the ring

990
01:52:07,000 --> 01:52:11,000
that they know to go for these specific areas.

991
01:52:11,000 --> 01:52:16,000
I mean I think Rollins himself had injured it during this match, so that was quite fresh,

992
01:52:16,000 --> 01:52:26,000
but for Rollins to know to target Balor's knee, you're not going to get that from somebody who's never wrestled him before?

993
01:52:26,000 --> 01:52:27,000
No.

994
01:52:27,000 --> 01:52:28,000
Generally?

995
01:52:28,000 --> 01:52:38,000
No, their history will give them both a lot of like insider aspects to what's going on

996
01:52:38,000 --> 01:52:45,000
and obviously they work together, like they know who's doing what, they're probably all trained together as well.

997
01:52:45,000 --> 01:52:49,000
So they're kind of outside of the ring, they know exactly what's going on,

998
01:52:49,000 --> 01:52:53,000
so they know where to go inside of the ring.

999
01:52:53,000 --> 01:52:58,000
Yeah, very much so.

1000
01:52:58,000 --> 01:53:06,000
Yeah, but I mean we see a very sort of varied match in this,

1001
01:53:06,000 --> 01:53:11,000
it's not just sort of strikes and holds and big high-flying manoeuvres,

1002
01:53:11,000 --> 01:53:19,000
we see a fair bit of submission as well as I mentioned Rollins sort of.

1003
01:53:19,000 --> 01:53:22,000
Had that sharp shooter in at one point?

1004
01:53:22,000 --> 01:53:32,000
Yeah, tying up Balor with the sharp shooter and we had, I had it here a second ago,

1005
01:53:32,000 --> 01:53:36,000
Balor trying to sort of lock in a cross-face submission as well,

1006
01:53:36,000 --> 01:53:42,000
so they were both sort of very much showing their range, this wasn't,

1007
01:53:42,000 --> 01:53:48,000
this was a match they could have very much taken to any other promotion with a recording of this match

1008
01:53:48,000 --> 01:53:51,000
and saying yeah, this is what the fuck I can do.

1009
01:53:51,000 --> 01:53:52,000
Yeah.

1010
01:53:52,000 --> 01:53:59,000
So this was a very sort of CV defining match for both superstars in this case.

1011
01:53:59,000 --> 01:54:02,000
Do you start the same thing just a little bit?

1012
01:54:02,000 --> 01:54:03,000
Yeah.

1013
01:54:03,000 --> 01:54:12,000
That cross-face submission was the beginning of the end really as Rollins reaches for the ropes,

1014
01:54:12,000 --> 01:54:19,000
Balor tries to sort of roll back to maintain the hold, ends up losing the hold,

1015
01:54:19,000 --> 01:54:25,000
but ends up being set up for a curb stomp which ends up circuering.

1016
01:54:25,000 --> 01:54:32,000
Seth Rollins is spot, the last spot in the elimination chamber.

1017
01:54:32,000 --> 01:54:37,000
Yeah, and it does look like it's going to be one hell of an elimination chamber match.

1018
01:54:37,000 --> 01:54:40,000
I'm definitely looking forward to sitting watching it.

1019
01:54:40,000 --> 01:54:43,000
Do I, I don't think I could probably pick a winner.

1020
01:54:43,000 --> 01:54:47,000
I know we tried last week, but you, there's so many different people in that chamber,

1021
01:54:47,000 --> 01:54:52,000
so many different styles of wrestling, picking a winner out, that's going to be difficult.

1022
01:54:52,000 --> 01:55:01,000
Yeah, and I mean, there's a hell of a lot of, I mean, we've said it before, commentary,

1023
01:55:01,000 --> 01:55:03,000
I've said it before.

1024
01:55:03,000 --> 01:55:13,000
It's a case that these, all of the superstars involved are massive,

1025
01:55:13,000 --> 01:55:17,000
like there's massive championship pedigree in this match.

1026
01:55:17,000 --> 01:55:18,000
Oh yeah.

1027
01:55:18,000 --> 01:55:24,000
We've got a 16-time champion in the ring for elimination chamber.

1028
01:55:24,000 --> 01:55:28,000
I think if you've died all the time it was up for the people in that chamber,

1029
01:55:28,000 --> 01:55:32,000
you're probably looking at a good, like 30.

1030
01:55:32,000 --> 01:55:34,000
I actually did the math on that one.

1031
01:55:34,000 --> 01:55:38,000
Oh, I knew you were a junior.

1032
01:55:38,000 --> 01:55:46,000
I broke it down, did the research to find out how many championships each person has held in WWE only,

1033
01:55:46,000 --> 01:55:56,000
and found out that in total, between all of them, there have been, there's been 58 championships held

1034
01:55:56,000 --> 01:56:02,000
between all six men in that ring.

1035
01:56:02,000 --> 01:56:05,000
That's some experience.

1036
01:56:05,000 --> 01:56:11,000
100%. I mean, John Cena himself has held 21 titles in WWE.

1037
01:56:11,000 --> 01:56:17,000
I mean, nine between the other five was a bit of a kick in the nuts on their behalf.

1038
01:56:17,000 --> 01:56:19,000
I do apologize, guys.

1039
01:56:19,000 --> 01:56:22,000
Yeah, like 21 in total for Cena.

1040
01:56:22,000 --> 01:56:28,000
That's not just heavyweight championships. That's US title reigns, IC title reigns,

1041
01:56:28,000 --> 01:56:32,000
even tag championship reigns.

1042
01:56:32,000 --> 01:56:40,000
I mean, Rollins is a 16-time champion again, going across all of it.

1043
01:56:40,000 --> 01:56:47,000
CM Punk, eight-time champion, Damian Priest, seven championships in total.

1044
01:56:47,000 --> 01:56:53,000
Mackin Crier, five-time champion in WWE.

1045
01:56:53,000 --> 01:57:03,000
Logan Paul with his one US title reign, which, yeah, I mean, he's the least championship pedigree out of everybody in the match.

1046
01:57:03,000 --> 01:57:09,000
I was saying, Punk only got eight titles. I thought he'd be on more than that.

1047
01:57:09,000 --> 01:57:17,000
Well, again, I only totaled up based on a quick, the quick bit of research that I did.

1048
01:57:17,000 --> 01:57:25,000
The amount of titles that he's won in WWE is the title reigns that he had.

1049
01:57:25,000 --> 01:57:31,000
It wasn't, with CM Punk, it wasn't quantity. It was quality.

1050
01:57:31,000 --> 01:57:37,000
It was a case that he didn't have any short reigns, essentially.

1051
01:57:37,000 --> 01:57:43,000
So, just thrown it in. He had the world, he had the WWE championship five times.

1052
01:57:43,000 --> 01:57:50,000
One of them, he held it for 69 days the first time, 89 days the second time.

1053
01:57:50,000 --> 01:57:56,000
Eight days for the third one.

1054
01:57:56,000 --> 01:58:04,000
Won it in July 17th at Money in the Bank, lost it to John Cena on the 25th of July, the next week.

1055
01:58:04,000 --> 01:58:09,000
He left with the title and then his fourth reign.

1056
01:58:09,000 --> 01:58:14,000
He had it for 434 days and his fifth reign.

1057
01:58:14,000 --> 01:58:21,000
So, his fourth reign was when he was very much in his Paul Heyman guy era.

1058
01:58:21,000 --> 01:58:32,000
Yes, we defeated Alberto Del Rio at Survivor Series 2011 and lost it to The Rock on the 27th of January, 2013.

1059
01:58:32,000 --> 01:58:35,000
Which would have been a Royal Rumble event.

1060
01:58:35,000 --> 01:58:38,000
Yes.

1061
01:58:38,000 --> 01:58:40,000
So, yeah.

1062
01:58:40,000 --> 01:58:44,000
But yeah, enough about CM Punk's titles.

1063
01:58:44,000 --> 01:58:49,000
We're not going to do the same thing for everybody's title reigns.

1064
01:58:49,000 --> 01:58:53,000
We'd be here all night just on John Cena's alone.

1065
01:58:53,000 --> 01:58:55,000
Yes.

1066
01:58:55,000 --> 01:59:01,000
Yeah, that brings us to the end of Finishes and Factions does Monday Night Raw.

1067
01:59:01,000 --> 01:59:04,000
It does. I don't really have anything to add into this one.

1068
01:59:04,000 --> 01:59:07,000
I'm going to think at the end. I think I'm pretty much.

1069
01:59:07,000 --> 01:59:09,000
I'm all raw down.

1070
01:59:09,000 --> 01:59:14,000
No, I've nerded out as much as I can over this particular episode.

1071
01:59:14,000 --> 01:59:16,000
But yeah.

1072
01:59:16,000 --> 01:59:27,000
We'll nerd out a little bit more on our next episode, which is Finishes and Factions does NXT.

1073
01:59:27,000 --> 01:59:34,000
Yes. So stay tuned for that episode coming. Well, as shortly as humanly possible.

1074
01:59:34,000 --> 01:59:37,000
Yeah. Peace out. Enjoy the rest.

1075
01:59:37,000 --> 01:59:58,000
Thank you.