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Welcome to the ring, it's Rich and Adam Breaking down the fights with flair and passion

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Tag teams grappling, belts are clashing, finishers and factions catching action

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And welcome to Finishers and Factions does NXT Vengeance Day 2025. We are in the United States capital city of Washington DC out of the care first arena.

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My name is Adam and I'm joined as ever by my co-host Rich. Hi Rich, how's it going?

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I'm all good mate, how you doing?

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Yeah, all good mate, all good. Ready to talk about what considering the NXT is classed as the developmental brand within WWE.

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I'm ready to talk about this absolute fucking stonker of a PLE to be quite honest.

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What a PLE we had as well.

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Like you said, it's supposed to be the weakest of the three, branding did not show it with this PLE at all.

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No, I think after this PLE I think we can, especially with the debut of bits and pieces like Evolve where that is a true developmental, what I would class as a true developmental brand.

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We're looking at NXT just being the third brand, it's Raw Smackdown and NXT is the starting block essentially. I don't think we can call it a developmental brand any longer.

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Cut the chain a little bit younger this time and given some other people pushing to, I suppose, to refill the NXT roster.

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Yeah, definitely. Vengeance Day, I mean Vengeance in general is quite a historic pay-per-view within WWE.

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It was rebranded a few years ago to Vengeance Day and has held quite a few, quite a few debuts.

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One of the most striking of those debuts, I mean we saw the debut of one LA Knight not too long ago before he's pushed to the main roster.

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He made his WWE debut at Vengeance Day so it doesn't ever pass without comment.

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No, there was definitely some big moments in this one. There's no debuts this time round though that I can think of off the top of my head.

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Well, not strictly true there Rich because we did have a, well, it's a debut that's been teased for a little while and we saw a quartet of mystery assailants pop up.

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A couple of times during the PLA but we'll sort of come to that as and when.

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But yeah, I mean they started off with a pretty strong little match to get into with Stephanie of Aker and Fallon Henley kicking off the show with the Women's North American Championship title match.

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Yeah, definitely.

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All action from the word go with this one.

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Yeah, very much so.

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First off, it's important to mention that we did have both Jada Parker and Carmen Petrovic.

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See, I don't remember seeing Kalani. They may have referenced the fact that she was there but I don't ever actually remember seeing her displayed on camera. I don't think she was actually there.

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Carmen Petrovic and Jada Parker were definitely there. That is not up for debate.

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And I think one of the things that we should mention while we're mentioning about the crowd, I mean, the Q is definitely over with the NXT audience in Washington DC.

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It was actually almost embarrassing for the current reigning champion. I mean, I know she's currently taken on a heel persona at the moment, but to not have an awful lot of support going out there.

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And that either means she's doing a really good job as a heel or she's just not over as a superstar.

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Yeah, and it's really hard when you're not over to try and get that sort of backing behind you. We've seen lots of superstars in the past that have had good gimmicks that just couldn't get them over.

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Yeah, definitely. But I mean, despite the fact that she's not that over with the crowd, sort of Henley was dictating the pace early on in this match, which you sort of come to expect from the champion really.

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The champion's advantage that she can run that much how she wants to and if she wants to take it off with a, you know, ball in a Chinese shop at the start to try and wear her opponent out. That's the way she's going to roll that time in it.

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Does work against a lot of the superstars in the division, but Stéphanie Vacura, I don't think it's one that was going to work against her too much.

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No, definitely not. And Stéphanie Vacura taking sort of a lot of submission holds during this match, I noticed. She was very much favouring trying to get sort of Fallen Henley to tap basically.

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I think she was definitely looking to train and embarrass the current current North American champion in this match.

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There's one thing making a champion for a three count, but managing to take a championship through submission just kind of wraps soul into the moon.

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Oh, definitely.

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She's trying to rip every joint Fallen Henley had. I would sock it for quite a lot of that match. A lot of joint manipulation, which seemed to work quite nicely in Stéphanie's favour against Fallen as the match got sort of later on to start off with it wasn't quite so easy for her.

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But I suppose once you've had all your joints pulled and torn up for a little bit, you're going to be aching anyway on you.

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Yeah, plus I think sort of Fallen Henley may have taken this match possibly a little bit too lightly.

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Only on the basis that she wasn't out there alone. She was out there with the rest of fatal attraction.

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And they didn't stop themselves from making themselves known either, although they did have to be incredibly, I'm going to use the word clever for lack of a better word about it only because the last thing that they would have wanted on such a grand stage was their champion, their friend, losing.

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They wouldn't have lost the championship, but they would have lost the match via DQ.

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The championship would have come in at some point, but yeah, you'd rather not have that loss on your record if you're still keeping your title.

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Oh, definitely not.

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You can approach her, she never told at one point as well. You only join in when I need you to. And you make it sneaky.

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Yeah, don't get involved unless you have to.

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The traction to be fair.

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Yeah.

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But yeah, Henley very much was in control for the first part of this match. I think in this case, just based on how it all went and how the match progresses.

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I think this was sort of by design by Vekir. I don't think she was, I don't think she necessarily struggled with Fallon Henley to begin with.

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I think it was more of a case of if I just relax my body and let her crack on, maybe she'll run out of steam early on sort of thing, which isn't a bad way to deal with it.

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It's not a conventional way, certainly, but you can only see that from...

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It's really nice moves in the process of tiring herself out as well.

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I made a note of a neck breaker. She hit off the second rope for a two count. I think they referred to it as a rope block buster.

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But it was definitely a neck breaker.

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Oh, yeah. I mean, it's one thing that I think me and you have spoken about off podcast before is obviously a lot of the commentary team are former wrestlers themselves.

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They will take great pride in knowing their shit about the industry that they love, which includes knowing the technical terms for all the moves.

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And I think Corey Graves is especially guilty for this on more than one occasion is that I feel he goes a bit far with it sometimes. I feel like he could stand to slow his roll with it a little bit.

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I don't think it's quite...

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Yeah, pretty much. I just don't think it requires knowing the full Mexican Japanese anthology of...

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Tell me what the move is, if it's cool enough to think about mentioning it.

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Maybe that's what he does. Maybe he's already doing that and we're just getting sick and tired of...

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Corey Graves.

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Well, yeah, maybe. Maybe.

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Could be the Mizz.

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He's very much a Mizz-like character, but we're not going to talk about the Mizz tonight. Mizz was not involved in Vengeance Day, surprisingly.

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But yeah, I mean, this match, I've got to admit, I think I got a note of the blockbuster move that they mentioned.

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Sort of off the second... I got a meta note of it off the second rope rather than the apron, but that's...

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Second rope for a two...

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The net break off the second rope.

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It was a Henley with a blockbuster off the second rope, but I didn't make a note of whether it ended in a two count or no.

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I did.

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Fair enough.

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I did see it at one point. This goes a move the other way that Stephanie Vaikir managed to hang a triangle hold over the top rope.

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The triangle arm bar, I believe it was, over the top rope, just to show off her athleticism.

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That was a mouthful.

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And it's not something you're expected to see from someone so tall when it comes to these sort of matches.

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No, definitely not.

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Definitely not.

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I mean, there's a few moves that Vaikir...

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I was going to say there's a few moves that Vaikir pulled out. I mean, she hit a 619 at one point.

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I made a note of that one.

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There was a... I can't remember what they referred to as, but she had a corkscrew knee being with the turnbuckle she did.

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That was really nice.

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Yeah, so I'm still getting used to Vaikir's sort of move set.

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Move set?

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Move set, Arsenal, if you like.

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But I very much got the impression that this was sort of a standard fair sort of deal from Vaikir.

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I just scrolled down. Stephanie Vaikir used a dragon screw into a meteora for a two count and then had a pump handle explode her on Fallen Henley as well.

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So that's a huge combination of moves that she's managed to pump in there as well.

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And then a very short period of time.

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I think once Vaikir had sort of settled into the match, I think we very much saw...

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Very much saw an in control Vaikir for the majority of this match, especially as she takes advantage of...

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Or manages to show a masterful way of being able to deal with three opponents at once on several different occasions.

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Which is only ever going to be impressive really.

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Yeah, she was definitely, I think, coming into this.

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She had the swagger in her entry which made she think she could be given this opportunity.

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It was nice to see her get up and, well, the end of the match to be fair, kind of, with the way she built it up,

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you knew it was coming and once you got into that role, you knew that only Stephanie was going to walk out

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as the new North American champion for this one.

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Her finisher is absolutely ruthless. That spiral tap is a spinning corkscrew splash.

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It's just beautiful.

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Yeah, 100%.

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I mean, yeah.

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There was no... I don't think there's anybody, whether you're a fan of Stephanie or not,

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I don't think you can deny she did 100% earn that victory.

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It wasn't something that was given away.

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Fallon definitely put up a fight to try and keep hold of that championship, but unfortunately Fallon's time was done with that championship.

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At least for the time being, who knows, we might see her earn it back in the future.

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Yeah, I mean, it was... I mean, Stephanie, the move set that got Stephanie to this point was a package backbreaker into that spiral tap.

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Yeah.

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And yeah, just beautiful, beautiful.

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And a nice bit of history here, actually, is that Stephanie Baker becomes the first champion of South American origin in WWE history,

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which I didn't realize until they'd mentioned.

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We like to try and keep track of all the history-making moments because they get brought up again and again and again and again

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at different WWE events as time goes on.

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So she has 100% made her, very much made her mark on WWE, whether she's sort of intended to or not.

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She's there in the...

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A bit of record forever now.

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Annals of history.

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I mean, especially if you are a wrestler or a fan of pro wrestling, being in WWE's history books themselves has got to be cool.

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Oh, 100%. 100%.

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But yeah, so first title match of the night ended with a title change and, as we said, what a way to start off sort of vengeance day.

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And very much sort of... I'm classing this as our first PLE that we've covered, just because I'm not sure we can sort of class New Year's Evil,

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which we also covered as the first PLE, only because...

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We didn't fucking clue what was going on, did we?

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No, we really didn't.

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We're going to watch this, chat a bit, shit and see what happens.

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Now we're six weeks down the line and we've watched a lot more NXT.

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We've chat a lot more shit and we've definitely seen a lot more things happen.

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Yeah, definitely.

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And we're older and wiser for it.

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But moving on from there, we actually saw...

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It took me until a few days after watching this PLE to realise that the VT that we see next featuring Yoshiki Inamora and Josh Briggs

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was the same one that they've just basically replayed the same VT that they've shown on NXT weekly shows before now.

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And it's just basically recapping how Yoshiki Inamora managed to come together as a team and everything along those lines.

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And we know that they are involved in a tag team match next, actually, which is why this promo was put together.

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I say put together because as I said, it was born from a previous episode.

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Yeah, born of a previous episode.

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We also saw...

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I wrote this down as a VT promo, but I think this was just...

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Oh, in case you guys were interested sort of thing of Sol Ruka and Zarya doing a bit of team building at the beach.

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Where they posted some videos to social media.

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I think this was definitely more Sol Ruka posting to social media than Zarya, as Zarya just does not strike me as the social media type somehow.

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I don't think she's Zarya. She's got to be like, oh my God, you've got to put it on Instagram.

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Definitely not. I don't think...

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I don't think we're going to be seeing any half naked pictures of Zarya any time soon.

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Only slams.

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But yeah, this gave me... I don't know about you, but this gave me a bit more of an insight into Zarya as a character.

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She's a very angry woman.

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There's a lot of rage built up inside.

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Inside quite an intimidating frame of a woman, really.

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And between her and Sol Ruka, they just... they couldn't be more opposite.

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Sol Ruka does a lot of surfing. She seems very sort of happy, go lucky.

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And then you've got Zarya, who pretty much hates the world.

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I mean, we've seen the weird combinations of tag teams over the years. Look at that. Or Brian and Kane.

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Do you know that was the first one that popped into my head as well, because they do sort of remind me of a Kane and Daniel Bryan sort of dynamic.

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But not quite as volatile.

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Not at the moment, anyway.

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But yeah, no, it's the first thing that came to mind was Daniel Bryan and Kane.

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It's just the female equivalent of...

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But yeah, we then go into match number two, which was the men's NXT Tag Championship match between Josh Briggs and Yoshiki Inamora and the current champions Nathan, Frazier and Axiom, otherwise known as Fraxium.

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Now, this was actually my first experience of watching Fraxium wrestle, because I don't think they've actually wrestled.

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And they seem to have done quite a lot of work in the... since NXT came to Netflix.

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They've been in TNA quite a bit, haven't they? So it's not really...

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They've been... they've spent a lot of time on, I think, TNA's Thursday nights.

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It's not a show that I'm watching. I watch a lot of wrestling. I don't think I can squeeze TNA into...

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Yeah, on weeks like this where we've got Raw, NXT and SmackDown, and then we've got a P.E. early on top.

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That's at least four days worth of wrestling we've got to watch.

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If we've then got to watch other... I'm a wrestling fan as much as I possibly can be.

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But I've also got a full-time job and a child, and Rich has three kids as well.

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It's a case that we are very much working this in between everything else.

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So, yeah, having to... being able to keep up with more than one promotion's worth of wrestling is a step too far.

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Certainly is for me, anyway.

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Yeah, because I'd start trying to fit TNA into them once I've got to work that running about, oh yeah, we can get EW and TNA.

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And then it'd be like, cool, we're doing all week, just watching wrestling, talking about wrestling and working.

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We might as well just be wrestlers at that point.

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I mean, if I were a younger man, I'd definitely give it a go.

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I don't know why.

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Regardless, we digressed back to the match.

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I mean, we saw Josh Briggs and Yoshiki Inamoru got this opportunity by an inadvertent sort of triple threat tag team match from Tuesday night,

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where they earn the opportunity to go against FRAXION for the men's NXT tag championship, which isn't a bad...

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It was one of the more chaotic matches on the card to the point that I don't think I got a lot of notes for it, but...

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I didn't get a huge amount of notes for it. I did get that FRAXION came out pretty hot straight away with a double team.

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And then, uh, Josh Briggs used a choke slam into a backbreaker of Yoshiki Inamoru.

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So there was some intran... This is a set of tag teams that their moveset I'm not familiar with, so I'm still trying to work out what they go to.

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I do see a lot of with Briggs and Inamoru.

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Briggs using his strength and his size to kind of use Inamoru as like a bowling ball style weapon. It's quite nice. I quite like it.

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So the impression I got from Tuesday night with Briggs and Inamoru was that they are both very sort of ground and pound hard...

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They wrestle hard style. It's a case that they will kick the living daylights out of you.

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Whereas during this...

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No, definitely not. Whereas during this match, I very much got the impression that FRAXION are the exact opposite.

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I mean, Nathan Frazier on his own. I felt like I had to double check at one point that I wasn't watching it in fast forward.

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The guy was racing around like a lunatic.

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Yeah, he was definitely...

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You would struggle to try and work out which one was the speedy luchador between the two of them if you didn't have the guy in the mask.

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Yeah, that's what I couldn't quite get my head around was that you've got Axiom who's wearing a mask.

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Obviously is a luchador of some kind.

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But isn't anywhere near as fast and energetic as Nathan Frazier is?

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But there's a trade off for that. Is the Nathan Frazier's appearances within this match, I noticed, only lasted about maybe three, four minutes tops?

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Well, he had the old Cody Road style face mask on. So has he got a facial injury that he's nursing at the moment?

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So they're trying to give him less time in the ring without making him drop the title, if you get me?

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I wasn't sure if that was just part of his ring gear, I will be honest.

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I remember Cody having the last few years when he had a nose issue, didn't he?

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He had one on for a few months where it was during his tenure as the dashing Cody Road.

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He then got his face caved in and ended up wearing this mask which turned him into a bit of a bitter heel.

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This was before he left WWE, went to AEW and made a name for himself basically to come back and preside over all of us as a WWE champ.

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But yeah, it looked very similar to that.

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But yeah, it just, I felt this was more of a, I don't know if this is Nathan Frazier's normal style of wrestling, whether he's always this energetic.

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But if he is, then it's easy to see why he might be a tag team wrestler rather than a singles competitor,

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because if he has to try and wrestle a singles match with that level of energy, it's, he's going to burn himself out really quickly.

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I don't care how good your cardio is, you're going to burn yourself out.

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Well, we do hear people within the industry like to use Red Bull to help them in those tiring situations.

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So yeah, Nathan Frazier could have just had one too many Red Bulls.

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Quite possibly. I mean, there is a story I heard not too long ago about, sort of way, way back in the day,

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is that there used to be a drinks cooler in the back that all the boys used.

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And it was a case that this was filled with water or sort of some kind of fruit juice.

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Now Booker T, part of the announced, announced team on NXT, was not a huge water and fruit juice kind of drinker.

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Instead, he used to, over the course of, over the course of a taping, used to have two Red Bulls.

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And he used to keep them in this, in this cooler.

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And I can't for the life of me remember who it is who ends up taking his Red Bull on one particular occasion,

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but the guy nearly ends up tied up in a dumpster because of it.

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And yeah, Booker T, just you don't take Booker T's Red Bull under any circumstances.

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No.

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Booker T was going nuts at some of the moves that were being hit in this particular match.

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At one point, Axiom hit a rather perfectly hit Spanish fly from the top rope onto Yashiki in Amora.

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And yeah, I do like seeing these Luchador moves at the moment.

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I've seen the Spanish fly a few times the last few weeks over different tapings.

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I'm really liking this move, right?

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Yeah. And I mean, this match, it, it, I actually put down at one point that throughout this match,

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I think the big stand out for me wasn't Fraxiom as the champions. It wasn't Josh Briggs,

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who I haven't seen a lot of. It was actually Yashiki in Amora. The guy is a beast.

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He just, he just kept going.

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Yeah, he's the gift that keeps on giving as well.

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And you think being the bigger bloke, he'd get gassed faster, but no, he was just, his stamina isn't real.

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What he managed to pull off against both Nathan Fraser and Axiom, basically on his own for quite a lot of the match was very, very interesting.

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Very good quality as well.

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But we see this more and more in WWE since, since Vince McMahon sort of made his dishonourable discharged exit from the company is that we see a lot more bigger guys.

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That Vince Roman's discharged.

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You're the only one that took it there. But regardless, yeah, sort of with, with his exit, it's a case that we've seen a lot more of these larger superstars who have come in.

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And despite them being on the fluffier side, we are seeing them being able to pull off some of these moves that realistically, when you look at them, you're like, yeah, no, Fatty, you ain't good.

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You ain't making that. You have not got the facilities for that big man.

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They are pulling them off like they've been doing them for the last 15, 20 years.

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And you stood there going, what the fuck did he just do that?

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Yeah. And it's just, it just delivers to the wow factor. I mean, the war raiders on Monday nights, some of the moves they put some of the most moves specifically Ivar pulls off is phenomenal, really is.

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But yeah, it's a case that at the end of this match, I mean, we see Fraxian retain the championship.

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But one of the bigger news stories that we got out of this match wasn't Fraxian retaining it, although admittedly, either there's a part of me that wouldn't have minded seeing Briggs and Inamora lift the championship off for Fraxian.

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I think it was the only way it was realistically going to end with that one. It wasn't going to go anywhere else or anything like that.

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But we saw the introduction of an unnamed faction of guys that decided they were going to come in and wreak havoc on the guys left lying in the ring.

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So this wasn't entirely unforeseen. We have had a lot of teasers normally at the end of episodes of NXT over the last few weeks sort of dropping in the color card and saying, oh, it's all coming to a head at vengeance day.

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And the only name drop that we managed to get off of this was somebody called Dion Lennox, which I did a little bit of research in and Google told me he was an American football star.

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So I'm not 100% certain if my Google research was accurate.

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But yeah, these these guys are relatively unknown. We're not sure where they've come from or anything like that. It's we know very little about them.

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But they came in research quickly and got the names of them.

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So we have got the Madonna's Cutler James, Dion Lennox, Osiris Griffin, and Chikon, yeah, Sequin, Sugars. But apart from that, they there isn't a lot out there about them or what they're about.

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So we'll have to wait and see what else we see of them and what guessing we'll probably find out more in a VT rather than a promo a little bit more about the background of these guys and where they've come from.

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I mean, these guys could quite easily be from TNA. We don't know.

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It could be.

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It's it's at all possible. But yeah, I mean, moving on from that match, we went to a VT promo, which we saw stack sort of recapping the attack from last week from Tuesday night, which saw sort of Tony DiAngelo retaining his championship in a cage match.

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But then having the absolute living daylights beaten out of him by Sean Spears and Sean Spears is acolytes joined by sort of Izzy Dame.

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We have it confirmed in the VT that DiAngelo could be out with back issues and that on Tuesday in NXT, we'll see stacks versus spears family versus family.

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Well, that'd be an interesting match at the end of it.

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I haven't seen a lot of Sean Spears wrestle recently. I don't think we've seen a lot of Stacks wrestling recently. So just be able to see those two open up and give it a good kick in or be an interesting one.

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So I think Stacks has had one match at one one on one match since since the Netflix era began. And I don't think he won.

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It's a case. I can't remember who he wrestled. It may have been a few weeks ago.

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But yeah, it's it didn't go well for him. Let's put it that way.

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From what I can remember, he's a he's a really capable guy. I mean, we found out a few weeks ago as well.

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We know him now as Sean Spears. He was originally known as Ty Dillinger to those that can remember that far back.

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And yeah, I mean, he's I remember vaguely type for some strange reason.

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I seem to remember Ty Dillinger with dreadlocks, but I could potentially be thinking of somebody completely different.

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Yeah, I'm not.

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I'm.

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Yeah, no, he either way, he wasn't somebody that was widely televised. It was it was he was very much kept to the bottom of the mid card.

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If he had a match, he was sort of in the thick of it with probably about 10 or 20 other bloke.

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It's he got sort of got lost in the fray. But yeah, Tuesday stacks versus Spears should be a really good match.

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If the hype's to be believed, we then go from that VT into a another VT, which sees sort of Eddie Thorpe and trick Williams sort of talking through the history of their rivalry,

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sort of going back as far as I mean, it predates our certainly our podcast from what I'm able to understand.

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But a lot of what's happened has been sort of covered in our podcast previously where which sort of culminates in tonight sort of one on one strap match between Eddie Thorpe and trick Williams and

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which just so happens to be the next match we're talking about anyway.

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I mean, this was like the fourth, I believe fourth strap match in NXT history.

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And I believe Eddie Thorpe actually won the last that the last strap match he was involved in these, according to what commentary mentioned during this match is Eddie Thorpe's trying to make himself sort of a specialist in

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matches, which is an odd thing to be a specialist in.

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I had a fair few other believes don't quite well in them.

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It's not a match type I'd want to be doing all the time.

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I look like it hurt more than your standard wrestling match.

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I'm not going to lie.

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Oh, yeah, you've got to be a special kind of special to want to be to want to be sort of in this match and getting that game whip to that extent,

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because it is a whip in 100%.

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I didn't think too much about it going into this match about some of the stuff that you'd be able to get away with.

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Obviously, like using it as a whip and then I realized once I noticed time up with it, they could hang them up with it.

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I was like, horrible bugger.

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That is such a match type hard one to fight against.

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I mean, the official rules of a strap matches that all competitors are tied together with a with a strap.

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I mean, this is attached to them in one form or another normally around the wrist and the it's basically they are strapped together until someone is either pinned or submits.

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This much.

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No, because my notes actually my notes actually say that the Eddie Thorpe tries to go after tries to go after Williams before the straps even secured.

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It's kind of a case that a few minutes passes as Williams is sort of getting his own back and trick actually ends up getting.

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Ends up securing the ends up securing the strap himself.

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But I don't think they needed the strap.

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They both wanted to make sure the other one was hurting bleeding and dying by the end of this match.

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Yeah, definitely.

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It's not something that we I mean, I think I think I've probably seen too many of them.

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I've probably seen two make two other strap matches besides this one beforehand in different places, not just in WWE.

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I think I've seen one in TNA and one in AEW as well.

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And they are brutal matches.

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And it really does sort of bring out the the sick creative side of the superstars we know and love realistically.

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But yeah, Thorpe seems to put some real thought into tying trick Williams up.

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He does it on several occasions during the match.

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Whereas trick seems to focus more on yanking Thorpe around bit like a Pinocchio on a string really.

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Basically like he was a pot puppy that was trying to shit on the floor in the kitchen.

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He was just trying to drag it to the front door the entire time.

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Trick really didn't come into this match looking like he wanted to be there.

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And he definitely wasn't wrestling like he wanted to be Eddie Thorpe.

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He just didn't seem interested for a majority of the match.

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See, I put on this that Eddie Thorpe wasn't really fully focused within the match,

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despite how it all sort of panned out for him.

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I don't think that Eddie Thorpe was giving this match 100% of his attention.

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He seemed a lot more interested, especially at certain points of how the crowd was reacting to him rather than like the former heavyweight champion of trick Williams in front of him.

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He seems a lot more bothered that the crowd was behind trick Williams than they were behind him.

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Which you thought for someone who's been in the industry for so long he'd have been used to not necessarily having the crowd behind him,

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especially with the type of character he plays is normally quite a healy sort of character anyway.

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So it's intriguing whether he's got some personal stuff going on that's kind of keeping his head out the game a little bit.

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So this is it. It's one of those.

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But I mean, I mentioned earlier on Thorpe spent a lot of time trying to tie Williams up.

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I was actually quite impressed at one point trick manages to use the strap in sort of a modified STFU.

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Sort of an STFU submission maneuver on Eddie Thorpe.

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And honestly, I thought that was going to be the end of it. I thought, oh, this is it. It's game over.

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But no, I mean, I mean Thorpe definitely showed this during the course of this match why he wants to be known as a strap match specialist.

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I mean, he ends up Williams ends up in a position where he's very much vulnerable to a strap based low blow, which Thorpe takes full advantage of.

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Would you have thought any different though? We both would have done that exact same move.

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Oh, 100% no DQ match on low blow into fuck.

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It's a case that all are not going to be recovering after this one.

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Oh, definitely not. I mean, if I if I find myself in a no DQ match, I'm using the other guys nutsack as a speed bag.

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I mean, I don't know.

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I went in through and I went in through any other fucking means.

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Couple of shots to the plums and a bulldog through the table.

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That is the end of it.

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Yeah, pretty much I can probably I can probably pull off a probably pull off a sort of a semi decent spear, but probably be about it.

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But yeah, any thought pulls off a real upset because I didn't see any thought walking out of this one with a victory.

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I will be honest.

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I did think from the get go. Yeah, no tricks tricks got this one in the bag regardless of sort of Eddie Thorpe's proficiency in a strap match.

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I thought they're going to let Eddie Thorpe do it purely for the fact they're trying to build something with this this strap match specialty.

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I think having a run of victories with strap matches like he's had, I thought they were going to leave him to keep it on.

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It's like a streak, so to speak.

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Oh, it makes complete sense why they put why he's been sort of scheduled to win this one.

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It's just a case that I don't know.

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I thought I still thought that Eddie thought was going to pull out the pull out the win with that one.

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But I mean, I'm not going to get it right every time.

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And this time was definitely not one of those times.

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But we then went into it. This seems to be the the running theme for this matches that we go out of a match and into a couple of VT's.

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This first VT was.

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Well, we have a page and Chavon Evans rivalry the last few weeks.

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Before that, it was a VT recap of Ricky Starks appearance on Tuesday night in NXT.

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Now, this was the unscheduled debut of Ricky Starks at NXT taping in Orlando.

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And we it revealed that this this week, this Tuesday on NXT, he will be signing his contract live on air.

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Well, there's definitely at least this bit has been planned because his debut last week wasn't that it was horrific.

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Although it was still building the ring and it just kind of low like they've just kind of gone Ricky does favor me.

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There's a microphone going to autumn for five minutes.

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Give us some time.

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So the fact they've actually managed to get all this planned and we know when it's coming in what's happening with it now is going to be nice.

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Yeah, definitely.

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It's well, let's see how they pull it off first.

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Let's see how that how that all comes together before we make any brass brass assumptions on how this is all going to sort of go down.

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So and yes, we then went into a recap of the history between all ego Ethan Page and Jevon Evans, where I mean, basically we were seeing how this matches very much Jevon putting his career on the line.

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Yes, he's been medically cleared for this much, but he's still basically being told by medical professionals to don't be stupid.

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Don't do it.

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But obviously they had to sign a waiver.

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To say that any damage occurred to him during this match was going to be on his own ass pretty much that WWE were wiping their hands off any liability to it.

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Yeah, they did the the usual big company responses that if you're stupid enough to do it, then you're stupid enough to deal with the consequences.

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And yeah, it's this was a match I was actually really looking forward to despite the fact that we've seen a lot.

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We've seen a fair few matches where Ethan Page wrestles and we know what to expect from him really.

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We've seen all the clips and stuff that they give us with VT and things like that, but we were actually getting an opportunity to see the OG in the ring for the first time on ourselves.

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Yeah.

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And that was one of the things that took me back about this match is how young Jevon Evans is compared to how old you normally see professional wrestlers at this level.

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Once they've reached this level, you're normally looking at like like 20s, early 30s, sometimes even into their mid 40s.

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By the time they've reached legend status, they're normally pushing on 50s, 60s and everything along those lines.

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But I mean, again, I very much got the impression that Jevon Evans came out and he was he was laser focused.

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I mean, there was that there was nothing that was distracting that guy.

381
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It wasn't like going full ADHD brain and going, right, I'm in this match.

382
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I mean, this one.

383
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Oh, there's a squirrel.

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And literally, I think a unicorn could have passed that guy by and he would have ignored it.

385
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That's a focus Jevon Evans was walking into this match and he he meant business as well.

386
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This for him was I said, it was a ride or die opportunity.

387
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He wanted to make sure that he got every ounce of.

388
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So like concentration locked in before he even seen what Ethan Page was doing.

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I mean, even during this match, I mean,

390
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Jevon Evans was he was in control for pretty much 95 percent of this match.

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He was and it was his phenomenal.

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Like, I had a rough idea what to expect, but actually seeing what this guy can do with a broken jaw to like, damn,

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I can't wait to fully heal to see what he like where his limits are.

394
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But I think for him, he's got to be having a decent singles push after this, this phenomenal feud with the page.

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Well, this is presuming that this feud with Ethan Page ends here.

396
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But but yeah, I mean, some of the bits and pieces he was pulling off in this match.

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I mean, I've I've written so much down on this match in front of me.

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It's untrue. I mean, super kick on people on the turnbuckle.

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He was pulling off cutters onto the apron, you know, like this guy's just yet springboard cutters.

400
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I mean, even managed to get a few ounces of karmic payback on Ethan Page.

401
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I mean, he wedges pages sort of left foot between the ring and the steps.

402
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And I wait, no, I've got that I've read that wrong.

403
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So Paige ended up trying doing that to me at two.

404
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Javon Evans, he kept his leg between the ring and the step down because he was getting his ass kicked.

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And he knew it.

406
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Yeah, 100%.

407
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I mean, he basically tried doing exactly the same thing that he'd done to Dante Chen about three, four weeks previous.

408
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And the page is your standard chicken, chicken shit fucking.

409
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Just doing everything he can to give himself an advantage.

410
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And you know what he needed to this match, which Javon Evans had his number from the start.

411
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Yeah, I mean, the one bit of karmic justice that I did see Javon Evans get was the curb stomp he delivered to Evan Page's jaw.

412
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Yes.

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And at one point that was one point, Ethan Page was bleeding pretty profusely as well.

414
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Yeah, you got I actually put down that based on where he was bleeding and how much he was bleeding, it wouldn't shock me if he's if he's done some damage to the old schnoz.

415
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I mean, it was big enough anyway, not quite as big as mine, but it was catching up.

416
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Well, who knows after this, it could it could overtake the record holder.

417
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But well, I'm sure you could smell it from from where you are.

418
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Definitely smell it.

419
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It was crystal.

420
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Yeah, the end into this match was so unexpected. I genuinely didn't see this one go in the way it went.

421
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So Evans goes for a springboard sort of back elbow.

422
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But Page sort of intercepts with an absolute surgically surgically precise jab to Javon Jor.

423
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Right.

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I mean, I would go I would hesitate to say that that was straight on where Ethan Page was planning on on syncing that in it was but that was that was the end of that was the turning point in this match realistically.

425
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And I think the crowd felt very much the same way that I did at the end of that match. It was kind of a case of the fuck.

426
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Like Javon Evans was in control for like 95% of that match.

427
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He should have walked out of that with the fucking W easily.

428
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So I suppose the real question is did Javon Evans take too much time getting his revenge? Should he have just let the loss to Ethan Page be the revenge instead of trying to sort of vent his physical frustration at him or

429
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the difficult one with this I think it was they both wanted to cause each other severe amounts of pain.

430
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And obviously even page come out with the wind Javon Evans is well we're still waiting to see what damage was done to him during that match.

431
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But I mean he's yet again been left in the middle of the ring drooling blood.

432
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Yeah, that first break was nasty. So if he's rebroken it or broken it second in a second location it's going to be worse for him.

433
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But Jesus, you know what a match. They neither of those two are going to leave anything.

434
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And he like a whole plonk and they went for every move they possibly couldn't ask them for the fact it took so long for Javon Evans to take on to the face as well like he did a very good job protecting himself even with that double gun garden.

435
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Yeah. I mean, I think Javon Evans he probably could have had this weight a little bit longer until he was maybe a little bit stronger to come back and maybe could have pulled out the wind because yeah that jaw was always going to be as a kill his heel.

436
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Realistic though.

437
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Yeah.

438
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But if you leave it for too long it doesn't carry on does it?

439
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:14,000
No, this is it. This is it. But we went from that match which yeah, what a match.

440
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Actually went into a pretty lengthy VT promo where they where we were being introduced to some of the faces from the upcoming of the upcoming

441
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Legends and Future Greats TV show some of the contenders in that match and if you haven't heard of LFG it's basically WWE's next next entry I suppose into what they've tried to do to

442
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In comparison to UFC's The Ultimate Fighter is that they take a bunch of a bunch of relative newbies if you like and stick them with some of the most experienced heads in the game and they're all fighting for a place right here on NXT.

443
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I haven't watched any of this yet. I'm going to be watching it because I'm genuinely interested and yeah I just want to see how WWE put that one together.

444
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:45,000
But we went from there into an actual promo where we were backstage having Stephanie Baker being interviewed by Sarah Schreiber and I think the basic gist of this one was basically her saying yeah I'm sticking around to see who wins the main event.

445
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That was pretty much all I got from that entire backstage section with Stephanie Baker as well. It was basically just the head said yeah thank you for the congratulations about winning the title.

446
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I'm going to be watching the main event to make sure it's going off there obviously with the main event being the battle four way between Bayley Roxanne Perez, Corajade and Julia for the NXT women's title.

447
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So obviously she's got a little bit of an interest in that one and to see who could be coming after her title when she starts defending that.

448
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Yeah and this is when we went into match five on the card and this was the triple threat men's NXT championship match which would see Grayson Waller face Austin Theory facing current champion Oberfemi.

449
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Oberfemi has never lost a triple threat match so going into this match against Austin Theory and Grayson Waller was probably going to be a bit more of an interesting triple threat for him anyways.

450
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It's basically a two on one handicap match for the NXT title.

451
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:16,000
Yeah and I mean he called this last week on the NXT before this saying that it was going to be a handicap match and I mean he wasn't wrong.

452
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:26,000
I was sort of thinking about this before we recorded this episode of the podcast specifically around this match.

453
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And I've got like an entire page of notes like top to bottom page of notes from this match of different bits and pieces that we could talk about and things like that.

454
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But I think ultimately if you boil all of this down, it's a case that Grayson Waller and Austin Theory while they were out there competing as singles,

455
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they were fighting as tag team members and while that works to try and get the better of like the third person in a triple threat some nine times out of 10,

456
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they were just competing as singles competitors enough to stop each other from taking a win and that was ultimately their downfall in my opinion is that if had they competed to win as a singles competitor,

457
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then I think I run it ideally that we would have seen a title change hands here.

458
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I mean, I think the question you have at the end of it is if you take the title from over family, which one of the two half, you know,

459
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half wits is going to run it and run it better. Austin Theory and Grayson Waller need to have them have got a huge amount of singles title experience, if any, and well, Grayson Waller first one.

460
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:15,000
I was going to say Grayson Waller has no singles titles to his name and Austin Theory is only just ahead of him having been US US men's US champion.

461
01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:21,000
And I think that rain may have lasted for somewhere between three to six months, potentially.

462
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:40,000
Yeah, not a like awe inspiring rain as it goes. And yeah, I mean, despite the fact that over family was essentially wrestling a tag, wrestling a handicap match here, I think he more than held his own.

463
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:47,000
I mean, you can definitely tell he's a specialist when it comes to multi opponent matches.

464
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:54,000
Oh, yeah, he has the power, the strength and the ability to just manhandle anyone he wants to.

465
01:00:54,000 --> 01:01:00,000
And we saw that with the way he threw Austin Theory and Grayson Waller around like they were rag dolls.

466
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:05,000
Yeah. I mean, he was he was lobbying them around like they were nothing.

467
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:15,000
And some of the some of the don't get me wrong. There were elements of this where I thought, do you know what?

468
01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:24,000
If they could if between Waller and Grayson, they can decide or baller and theory sorrow, they can decide who it is, who's going to win.

469
01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:34,000
They've got this in the back, they could quite easily have lifted that cut that that title off of over family.

470
01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:37,000
And we'd have seen a title check as a second title change of the night.

471
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:50,000
But yeah, as I said, there's so much that I could sit here and like talk about. I mean, even if you just break it down into the fact that, you know, they

472
01:01:50,000 --> 01:02:06,000
they some of the moves that were being used like they're still so much to talk about in a match that really didn't hold a lot of

473
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:16,000
the match did exactly what it said on the tin. But there was a fair few highlights because they make the highlights that were there.

474
01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:21,000
It just made it too much to discuss.

475
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Like we could do a whole episode just on that one match.

476
01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:28,000
And we still do it.

477
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I was going to say if I was going to do that, I'd do it watch long style.

478
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We'd be watching the matches we talk about it because that's the only way to keep all the details in one place.

479
01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:39,000
Yeah.

480
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Because yeah, I could jump from the top of the page to the bottom of the page and it all makes sense in my head.

481
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:58,000
But for anybody listening to this rambling coming out of my mouth is that it's it's so disjointed and incohesive just because like I really enjoyed this map.

482
01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:02,000
This was the match of the card for me.

483
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:04,000
Despite what the main event is.

484
01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:07,000
This match took it home.

485
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:10,000
This match should have been the main event.

486
01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:15,000
Again, I would completely agree with our statement too.

487
01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:18,000
And that's no disrespect to the women in the next match.

488
01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:23,000
No disrespect to Bailey Perez, Cora Jade or Julia.

489
01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:35,000
It's a case that this match just it gelled together so well, considering I don't have a very high opinion of either Grayson Waller or Austin Theory.

490
01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:38,000
I think they wrestled a really good match.

491
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:41,000
They told a really good story.

492
01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:50,000
Proved why they've got that WWE contract and why they have held that contract for such a long time.

493
01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:54,000
Yeah, and they're polarizing.

494
01:03:54,000 --> 01:04:03,000
They're very much like Marmite, but the way they work together does make you kind of understand why they work so well.

495
01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:07,000
Yeah, definitely.

496
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:19,000
But ultimately, as we've alluded to, Oberfemi ends up retaining the championship for this match.

497
01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:26,000
All because Theory and Waller can't decide between the two of them what direction they want to go in.

498
01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:32,000
That is pretty much the entire reason why Oberfemi manages to get away with what he does.

499
01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:37,000
Because Grayson Waller and Austin Theory can't decide.

500
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:43,000
And then just to put the icing on the cake, Grayson Waller hit Austin Theory with a stunner.

501
01:04:43,000 --> 01:04:46,000
Which then, I loved watching that.

502
01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:52,000
That was the icing on the cake for what was a very good match just to see the start of.

503
01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:57,000
And we've mentioned about it before, about are we about to see the start of A-Town Down Under Crumbling.

504
01:04:57,000 --> 01:05:02,000
And that, that stunner is very much like it drives a wedge in.

505
01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:09,000
We've already seen some cracks appearing, but that stunner is going to drive a wedge.

506
01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:19,000
Yeah, it's, it was just that cherry on top of such a really well put together match.

507
01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:27,000
And yeah, I mean, in my mind, there was no doubt that Oberfemi was going to walk out of this remaining champion.

508
01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:33,000
There were a few moments in the match where I did quite sort of waver a little bit.

509
01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:37,000
And I thought, oh, have they actually, of Waller and Theory got this together?

510
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:41,000
And then they sort of proved that they didn't.

511
01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:49,000
Now, after the match, we see all the lighting in the arena change.

512
01:05:49,000 --> 01:06:00,000
And we see the masked for some return up in the crowd, up in the gangways, very shield-esque.

513
01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:18,000
Very much making their presence known and making a very quick entrance to go and just completely lay waste to Oberfemi, which when it's a four on one situation, it's not that impressive.

514
01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:26,000
In my opinion, it's not like considering the guy had a hell of a match beforehand as well.

515
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:30,000
I was going to say the guys just finished taking on two other guys.

516
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:39,000
He's then got to try and face off four fresh guys and Oberfemi's not Bonnie Blue.

517
01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:52,000
No, this is, it's a case that as impressive as Oberfemi is if he'd managed to remain standing during that, but during that, during that assault afterwards.

518
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I don't think any of, I think we'd have all been sort of wondering if he's human, quite frankly.

519
01:06:58,000 --> 01:07:08,000
I'd have been comparing him to the likes of Braun Strowman at that sort of point, because that's another huge superstar that takes a lot of men to get to his knees.

520
01:07:08,000 --> 01:07:27,000
Yeah, but yeah, we then go from that match, that scene in ring straight into Ava's office, the GM office promo, Ava being interviewed by Sarah Schreiber,

521
01:07:27,000 --> 01:07:35,000
and Ava's about as shocked about this foursome as we are, or at least that is the way it comes across.

522
01:07:35,000 --> 01:07:55,000
We know that the last sort of PLE, NXT PLE before stand and deliver during WrestleMania weekend is Roadblock, which is taking place at Madison Square Garden, which is just, it's a historic venue.

523
01:07:55,000 --> 01:08:02,000
I mean, you hear a lot of, especially the older wrestlers, all of them talking about playing the garden.

524
01:08:02,000 --> 01:08:07,000
The garden is like that one of the holy grail sites of professional wrestling.

525
01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:12,000
If you can, if you can play in the garden, you're, you can play anywhere.

526
01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:13,000
Right.

527
01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:23,000
So Roadblock will definitely be an interesting one to go forward with.

528
01:08:23,000 --> 01:08:32,000
During this promo as well, we also see Ariana Grace, supposedly the NXT liaison to TNA.

529
01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:45,000
I imagine, again, as we said earlier on, we do not sort of follow TNA from either a fan perspective at the moment or or anything else, realistically.

530
01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:56,000
We're not certainly not covering it on the podcast, even though NXT and TNA have got a multi year deal, we'll cover the T the NXT sort of half of it.

531
01:08:56,000 --> 01:09:04,000
I'm happy to promote the TNA matches, but at the minute, really don't have the time to sit and watch them.

532
01:09:04,000 --> 01:09:14,000
Who knows if the podcast takes off and starts paying me a and we can start getting a decent wage out of it, then yeah, I'll quit my full time job and I'll sit and watch frigging wrestling all day.

533
01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:18,000
I don't mind, but I'm not sure we could do that for too long.

534
01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:20,000
That's a lot of wrestling.

535
01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:24,000
Oh yeah, we'd start seeing wrestling matches in the street.

536
01:09:24,000 --> 01:09:27,000
We'd start taking down little old ladies and things like that.

537
01:09:27,000 --> 01:09:41,000
By the time you think we're already doing sort of like three weeklies plus PLS every so often, you had TNA in there, ring of honor, a w new Japan.

538
01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:44,000
I'd be dribbling mass.

539
01:09:44,000 --> 01:09:49,000
It'd be absolutely dribbling mass insane.

540
01:09:49,000 --> 01:09:52,000
Yeah, I'd never see the light of day again.

541
01:09:52,000 --> 01:09:57,000
We did team just to start watching stuff and doing it for us.

542
01:09:57,000 --> 01:10:00,000
Yeah, pretty much.

543
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But yeah, she comes into basically introduce an old familiar face. We all know and we all know and love Santino Marella.

544
01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:22,000
Well, coming in back to WWE as he is now the director of authority over at TNA.

545
01:10:22,000 --> 01:10:26,000
And basically this.

546
01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:34,000
Yeah, pretty much. I mean, I was always a bit of a fan of Santino Marella, but more for the comedy factor on the wrestling factor.

547
01:10:34,000 --> 01:10:37,000
It was he was very much a comedic.

548
01:10:37,000 --> 01:10:41,000
He was comedy relief when he was in WWE.

549
01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:50,000
And I'm glad he's found a more serious role in TNA and that they're utilizing him slightly differently from what I understand.

550
01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:53,000
He's doing an incredibly good job over there.

551
01:10:53,000 --> 01:11:00,000
He will always be the guy that mispronounces people's names.

552
01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:06,000
And the fastest ever and elimination in the Royal Rumble.

553
01:11:06,000 --> 01:11:13,000
Yeah, holding the record for the shortest time in a Royal Rumble match of one second.

554
01:11:13,000 --> 01:11:16,000
Yeah, something along those lines.

555
01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:35,000
Yeah, and apparently Santino and Ava go off to discuss some of their ideas as they both had ideas of what to do with this little talent exchange that they've that they've talent exchange situation.

556
01:11:35,000 --> 01:11:39,000
They seem to have found themselves in which will be interesting to see how that plays out.

557
01:11:39,000 --> 01:11:48,000
I'd love to know what what would we discussed in with that in with that those ideas?

558
01:11:48,000 --> 01:11:50,000
What are they? What are they looking for?

559
01:11:50,000 --> 01:11:52,000
Maybe we'll see something on Tuesday.

560
01:11:52,000 --> 01:11:53,000
Possibly.

561
01:11:53,000 --> 01:12:08,000
And there's a lot of options for a lot more titles to be defended on NXT TV now because we've got the opportunity for TNA to bring their titles over to NXT and kind of expand their repertoire over here.

562
01:12:08,000 --> 01:12:16,000
And it shows that we could also start filling some of the divisions up for extra bonus matches.

563
01:12:16,000 --> 01:12:19,000
The dream matches, so to speak.

564
01:12:19,000 --> 01:12:20,000
This is it.

565
01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:21,000
This is it.

566
01:12:21,000 --> 01:12:37,000
But ultimately, we now come to our main event match, which was the now fatal four way for the NXT Women's Championship, which as we mentioned earlier on sees Julia the defending champion defend against Bailey, Roxanne Perez and a late entry course.

567
01:12:37,000 --> 01:12:40,000
A late entry Cora Jade.

568
01:12:40,000 --> 01:12:46,000
And yeah, I mean, a really good match.

569
01:12:46,000 --> 01:12:59,000
Again, I said this earlier on, do not think this me do not think me take this is me taking away from what these from what these women managed to achieve during this match.

570
01:12:59,000 --> 01:13:06,000
It just this match wasn't quite the same level as the men's triple threat in my view.

571
01:13:06,000 --> 01:13:07,000
It wasn't.

572
01:13:07,000 --> 01:13:11,000
I mean, there were some interesting spots.

573
01:13:11,000 --> 01:13:18,000
I mean, there was just some cheating some funny bits in there as well to be fair for the little while Julia was to start the turnbuckle watching the other three fight.

574
01:13:18,000 --> 01:13:23,000
She must have had a cup of tea in her sandwich while she was there.

575
01:13:23,000 --> 01:13:29,000
Yeah, I mean, again, I can't say I'd have done any differently.

576
01:13:29,000 --> 01:13:31,000
I'd have played that exactly the same way.

577
01:13:31,000 --> 01:13:32,000
I'd have gone.

578
01:13:32,000 --> 01:13:34,000
Yeah, do you know what you guys fucking crack on?

579
01:13:34,000 --> 01:13:36,000
I'll be I'll be over here.

580
01:13:36,000 --> 01:13:40,000
Pull out a hip flask and I'll be I'll be I'll be pull out a thermos.

581
01:13:40,000 --> 01:13:42,000
I'll be well away.

582
01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:48,000
I thought you don't put a match in a man's sandwich with a.

583
01:13:48,000 --> 01:13:55,000
But we saw at the beginning of the match a series of really quick pinfalls.

584
01:13:55,000 --> 01:14:10,000
And yeah, we saw some sort of temporary alliances of temporary alliances as you tend to see in these sort of multi superstar matches where it's all all for one and one and one for us.

585
01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:22,000
The ones that you pretty much expected, you knew that it was going to be Bailey and Julia that were going to be running an alliance and you knew Roxanne Perez and Coro Jade would be running one too because they've done it in previous matches.

586
01:14:22,000 --> 01:14:38,000
Well, we saw at one point a sort of a very short alliance between Roxanne and Bailey, which we wouldn't have expected to see as there seems to have been quite a lot of animosity building between those two.

587
01:14:38,000 --> 01:14:52,000
But it just shows that to try and try and keep this trying get everything moving in the direction that they want it to move in that no no alliance is an alliance too far sort of thing.

588
01:14:52,000 --> 01:15:00,000
No, it's like a Royal Rambler alliance and it only lasts until the last until it doesn't.

589
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:24,000
Yeah, this is it and we've said this before about especially more so in NXT than in the main roster but when we see these sort of multi superstar matches where they are all in the ring at the same time you tend to find more so that one or more superstars is there just to fill a spot.

590
01:15:24,000 --> 01:15:34,000
Yes, and we named out super star quite often as the same one that we see week in week out.

591
01:15:34,000 --> 01:15:45,000
Yeah, they don't really seem to know what to do with core Jade as such I mean, core Jade seem to worm away it seems to have strong armor way into this match late on.

592
01:15:45,000 --> 01:15:55,000
So they'd already started with a lot of the promotional shit and core Jade came in as as a late entry.

593
01:15:55,000 --> 01:16:02,000
But even though her and Roxanne Perez did have some moments of working together.

594
01:16:02,000 --> 01:16:18,000
It's again it's very much the same as in the men's the men's NXT championship is that them two working together was ultimately their own their own undoing because had they actually pulled the trigger and gone at each other at some point.

595
01:16:18,000 --> 01:16:28,000
We might have had a different but we might well have had a different outcome to this match.

596
01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:38,000
I mean, I don't think we really could have had a different outcome to this match.

597
01:16:38,000 --> 01:16:44,000
Really? Well, if you look at Roxanne Perez is a former two time NXT women's champion.

598
01:16:44,000 --> 01:16:49,000
Bailey highly decorated main Ross main main roster wrestler.

599
01:16:49,000 --> 01:16:55,000
I mean, less said about core Jade the better but certainly those two were a high occasion.

600
01:16:55,000 --> 01:17:02,000
Bailey's done a lot better than the NXT women's title. Don't get me wrong. I'm not knocking the level of the NXT women's title.

601
01:17:02,000 --> 01:17:12,000
Bailey is one higher and more prestigious titles of giving her back the NXT title just seems like a bit of a slap in the face of Julia.

602
01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:18,000
Roxanne Perez doesn't need a title at the moment. We both said that she's on a hunt for a push onto the main roster.

603
01:17:18,000 --> 01:17:26,000
She's also got an elimination chamber match coming up a qualifier match coming up.

604
01:17:26,000 --> 01:17:37,000
So you're not going to give her a title and then put her into another PLE to go for another title.

605
01:17:37,000 --> 01:17:49,000
And Corrigy just doesn't seem to have the manpower to be able to do too much on her own. She relies a lot on Roxanne Perez to help her.

606
01:17:49,000 --> 01:17:56,000
So taking the strap away from Julia at this point just didn't seem like it was going to be an option.

607
01:17:56,000 --> 01:18:10,000
No and in fairness Julia did do a lot in this to sort of defend that title. She very much picked her moments as to when she was going to intervene.

608
01:18:10,000 --> 01:18:24,000
One of the things that I picked out, one of the cherry pick moments for Julia was she did something like a modified octopus hold on Bailey.

609
01:18:24,000 --> 01:18:32,000
It took her two attempts to lock this in but she eventually managed to get it in.

610
01:18:32,000 --> 01:18:39,000
And I think it was those moments where there were little slip-ups and I get it's a live performance.

611
01:18:39,000 --> 01:18:49,000
Anything can happen in a live performance but whereas the men's match was very clean, there were no mistakes that I spotted.

612
01:18:49,000 --> 01:19:01,000
Sort of no missteps, no mismoves, nothing like that. It was all very prim polished, proper sort of match performances.

613
01:19:01,000 --> 01:19:08,000
The women's wasn't that way and I don't know if it was the late edition of Cora Jade that may have just upset the flow.

614
01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:20,000
Because I can imagine Bailey, Perez, Julia, they'd all sort of sat down and figured out, yeah this is how it's roughly going to go and everything along those lines.

615
01:19:20,000 --> 01:19:33,000
And then they had to try and sort of work Cora Jade into that match order to try and make sure that she was at least somewhat relevant to the match ending.

616
01:19:33,000 --> 01:19:38,000
But yeah, there were lots of little...

617
01:19:38,000 --> 01:19:52,000
We've had her thrown in a lot where she doesn't need to be. We've both said in the past as well, we think it's because she's scheduled or contracted to make a certain amount of appearances and they're just trying to fill them all in at the same time.

618
01:19:52,000 --> 01:20:00,000
Yeah, we're just not seeing... I'm not seeing the value she adds into the match.

619
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:23,000
Even though traditionally the way she got into the match was obviously during the triple threat contender summit that was held a week or two previously, she came in and pretty much laid waste to both Julia and Bailey with...

620
01:20:23,000 --> 01:20:36,000
I think it was a kendo... I want to say a kendo sticker or guitar, I'm not sure which one... Either way she came in with a weapon, laid waste to both of them and that was essentially how she managed to worm her way into the match.

621
01:20:36,000 --> 01:20:42,000
That's quite a strong entrance for somebody that... Other than that, other than a few...

622
01:20:42,000 --> 01:20:53,000
Yeah, I just don't think she's... Her character has been built quite to the extent that they could have just dropped her in there without any issue at all.

623
01:20:53,000 --> 01:21:09,000
I think had it been... So, same contenders, had it been a triple threat match between Perez, Jade and Julia for the NXT women's title and they dropped Bailey in there at the last minute.

624
01:21:09,000 --> 01:21:22,000
Bailey is a strong enough character to be able to carry that forward and still make... And still have it make sense to a certain degree.

625
01:21:22,000 --> 01:21:31,000
Bailey coming in as the veteran and saying, yeah, do you know what? Actually, I want a piece of this. I'm in this match now.

626
01:21:31,000 --> 01:21:40,000
Again, like it or fucking lump it basically. And that would have made sense, but Corejade? No.

627
01:21:40,000 --> 01:21:42,000
Yes, definitely not.

628
01:21:42,000 --> 01:21:46,000
She's definitely not polarizing enough either.

629
01:21:46,000 --> 01:21:50,000
Don't get me wrong, her abilities in the ring, I can't knock.

630
01:21:50,000 --> 01:22:10,000
And at one point, she Corejade manages to pull off quite impressively a three high superpower bomb off the... One of the corner turnbuckles, which is just a step above what we've seen even some of the men do.

631
01:22:10,000 --> 01:22:27,000
So for her to have pulled off something like that without causing any major injury to any of the other three women is a minor miracle in itself.

632
01:22:27,000 --> 01:22:43,000
But yeah, I mean, Julia ends up retaining by pinning Perez after hitting a Northern light bomb. And Stephanie Baker actually comes out to the ring to celebrate with Julia.

633
01:22:43,000 --> 01:22:46,000
Which was the best thing to see.

634
01:22:46,000 --> 01:23:00,000
Two strong women, two strong women female champions, sort of standing shoulder to shoulder. It was a powerful scene to be sure.

635
01:23:00,000 --> 01:23:20,000
But closing, closing seconds, we have an NXT debut of Jordan Grace making a grand entrance onto NXT, having been released by TNA recently, I believe, which is an odd move.

636
01:23:20,000 --> 01:23:31,000
I don't think she necessarily had to have been released from TNA to then make her way over to NXT, bearing in mind that the two are now linked for five years.

637
01:23:31,000 --> 01:23:35,000
It just seems a bit of an exercise in futility almost.

638
01:23:35,000 --> 01:23:40,000
But as it goes, Jordan Grace is now NXT.

639
01:23:40,000 --> 01:23:46,000
I look forward to seeing more about her as I don't know an awful lot about Jordan Grace.

640
01:23:46,000 --> 01:23:51,000
No, it's not a wrestler I've seen a lot of time.

641
01:23:51,000 --> 01:24:02,000
So it'll be interesting to see how she fits into the division, what sort of titles she's going to be looking at and how she's going to go about getting them.

642
01:24:02,000 --> 01:24:04,000
Yeah, this is it.

643
01:24:04,000 --> 01:24:16,000
But that sort of brings us to the end of Vengeance Day. And yeah, I'll repeat what I said to begin with one absolute stonker of a PLE we had.

644
01:24:16,000 --> 01:24:22,000
I mean, this is why I said right at the beginning, I don't think we can afford.

645
01:24:22,000 --> 01:24:30,000
I don't think WWE can afford to look at NXT as a as a developmental proving ground anymore.

646
01:24:30,000 --> 01:24:38,000
They're bringing out too much. They're bringing out too much for it to be classed as developmental anymore.

647
01:24:38,000 --> 01:24:56,000
It just, it makes no sense whatsoever to have to have especially the women in this division being inadvertently relegated to a developmental provision.

648
01:24:56,000 --> 01:25:02,000
And I think that's why we're not going to pass this point. Otherwise, we're just devaluing all the good work that they do.

649
01:25:02,000 --> 01:25:12,000
And again, taking nothing away from the men in the division, the men in NXT either. It's just, yeah, we are looking at SmackDown and Raw's little brother.

650
01:25:12,000 --> 01:25:18,000
Don't get me wrong, they still the little brother, but that little brother comes back hard.

651
01:25:18,000 --> 01:25:33,000
And that was a people Evengence Day level PLE is coming forward, especially with build up to WrestleMania week and how much money they like to spend on performance and production that week.

652
01:25:33,000 --> 01:25:35,000
I think yeah, season.

653
01:25:35,000 --> 01:25:48,000
Well, this sort of judgment day makes me look forward to roadblock, which we'll see. I think it's like three, four weeks.

654
01:25:48,000 --> 01:25:58,000
It's the last PLE before stand and deliver to the last PLE before it's the last NXT PLE before WrestleMania.

655
01:25:58,000 --> 01:26:09,000
And yeah, I mean, it's it's certainly shaping up to be one hell of a one one hell of a road to WrestleMania as it is.

656
01:26:09,000 --> 01:26:15,000
But ordinarily, I'd ask you, Richard, this point, what you match it and what your match of the card was.

657
01:26:15,000 --> 01:26:20,000
But I think you probably in agreement in agreement with me at this point.

658
01:26:20,000 --> 01:26:32,000
And with it being the men's NXT Austin, which is really surprising considering not big fans of racing, Austin theory, but they put on a good show today.

659
01:26:32,000 --> 01:26:38,000
And yeah, it was a good match. Definitely my match of the night.

660
01:26:38,000 --> 01:26:42,000
Yeah. And I would 100% agree with you on that.

661
01:26:42,000 --> 01:26:57,000
And as we said earlier on, I think we could have quite easily swapped the women's women's NXT Championship match for the men's and it would have fitted so much better with the performances we got.

662
01:26:57,000 --> 01:27:09,000
But regardless of that, we've come to the close of this of this episode of finishes and factions and this was finishes and factions does vengeance day.

663
01:27:09,000 --> 01:27:28,000
We will be back to cover Monday Night Raw and that Monday Night Raw, I believe, if I remember correctly, is coming from Charlotte, North Carolina.

664
01:27:28,000 --> 01:27:33,000
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665
01:27:33,000 --> 01:27:35,000
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666
01:27:35,000 --> 01:27:40,000
And yeah, we'll let you know as soon as that new episode drops.

667
01:27:40,000 --> 01:27:44,000
But yeah, it's a good night from me.

668
01:27:44,000 --> 01:28:06,000
And see you later.