I went, the week before spring break, Sarah's
school, had, um, Jared Krasowska. And that was
cool. That was really cool. It was a really good,
he does a really good presentation and he was
really personable, really nice, really nice guy.
Cause he was here that week because that Friday,
it was, I guess it wasn't the week of Spring
break it was the week before spring. It was the
week before that. Yeah, but that Friday was the
North Texas Teen Book Festival and he was one
of the the speakers that afternoon and so that's
why he was like in North Texas and that's why
He was able to do that because he did that's
cool He did North Riverside in the morning and
then he did blue bonnet in the afternoon and
so I went to his last session in the afternoon
and it was really cool because he's got he's
Got an interesting life. He grew up in like Massachusetts
and So like the other thing is I didn't realize
he had as many books as he has like I always
say that but Like there are certain books that
he's really famous for and then there's other
books that I didn't realize that he had done
He's really famous for the lunch lady series
and for his book. Hey kiddo But I didn't realize
that he started out doing like picture books
and stuff like that and so he's got some picture
books and then he also has done the Jedi Academy
books. Oh really? That was it? Yeah. Yeah. I
didn't realize that. Which is pretty cool. But
he's he talked about his life in a little bit,
not a ton, but like he was basically raised by
his grandparents and he wanted to be like an
author and an illustrator and he talked to the
kids he talks about like how his first book idea
that he had he wrote this story and he sent it
out like literally like 20 or 30 times and got
rejected every single time and he kept doing
it and kept doing it and then he finally realized
that maybe that wasn't the best approach so instead
of trying to get his foot in the door with his
stories he started making postcards with just
random illustrations and sending those out finally
he got kind of like somebody saw his artwork
and started with him from there and he went like
that's when he made he was able to make his first
picture book and that kind of thing go from that
that's interesting and when he after his like
a couple of his books came out he was doing a
tour an author tour and he ended up back at the
elementary school that he went to school at and
the lunch ladies were the same lunch ladies that
he had And, like, one of them came up to him
and said, you know, like, my kid or my grandkid
really loves this book. And he was like, whoa.
And he said it. He was like, you don't really
think of them as people when you're a kid? That's
true. And so, like, the fact that she had a family
and had children in her life that were reading
his picture books is kind of like, it was like
a gut punch, like, whoa. my reality is completely
changed now that I know this information kind
of thing and that's when he started thinking
about making the lunch lady series and when they
originally made the series he was trying to figure
out how to make it and he wanted to make it a
picture book and he that didn't feel right they
tried making a chapter book that didn't feel
right and that's when he was like graphic novel
but at the time main publishers weren't making
graphic novels like it was it was a risky thing
and it was still relatively new and so He said
that like he finally convinced them But they
were like, okay But you can use only three colors
because we're not doing full color because that's
too expensive to print and so that's why he chose
like The yellow is the main color and then like
the black and white beyond it kind of thing And
then the what I thought was really cool was he
showed the kids how he does his artwork too He
He was able to project using his iPad or whatever
he used his tablet that he used And he explained
to them that when he first did all of the artwork
The way he does it is he's like he shows he showed
him a picture of what his table looks like and
What materials he has on it and stuff and he's
lit I got these kind of erasers here and this
and this this is like he has like a brush and
black ink and blue colored pencil and I had always
seen people use like blue colored pencils and
stuff like that for their sketching and I didn't
really understand why and he explained it to
he explained it and so he showed us as he did
it on the tablet he sketches using this it's
a special blue colored pencil and once he sketched
out what he wanted he goes over it in black ink
And what happens is when, so when he was originally
making these, now it's all done digitally, but
when he's originally, when he was originally
making them, he was doing it on paper and sending
it to the publisher. But the publisher doesn't
want the paper copies. So what he had to do is
he would sketch and then ink and then scan it
into his computer to send it to the publisher.
Well that blue colored pencil Yeah, when you
scan it That blue never shows up on the paper
So all that's left is the black ink that he put
on the page That's cool And that's and then he
could send that off and they could add the color
and that kind of stuff to it from there for the
publisher So that was kind of cool. And so he
actually did one on his tablet like drew out
the lunch lady and like wrote a note like, thank
you, blue bonnet elementary, whatever. And then
he saved that file and he sent it to the librarian
so that she could send it out to like all the
teachers and stuff. So they have that, which
is pretty cool. Yeah. It was really cool. It
was a pretty, it was a really great experience
and he does a really good job of being a presenter
and like. answering the kids' questions and doing
that kind of stuff. It was a lot of fun and I
went back and was like, I gotta see how many
of his picture books we have in our library system
so that I can order some of them and stuff like
that because... That's cool. I'll have to look
into that too. Yeah, because he's got like, I
think it's called Punk Farm? Yeah, Punk Farm
is one of them. And it's a children's book about
a group of farm animals who form a secret punk
rock band and play music after the farmer goes
to bed, featuring a humorous take on Old MacDonald
and stuff like that. Like, and that came out,
that was his first, like one of his first books
and it was 2005. That's cool. And so, yeah, different
things like that. I was like, that's pretty awesome.
That is. So, it was pretty cool. It was a good
experience. I'm glad I... crashed and went to
that presentation because it was a lot of fun.
That's very cool. That sounds like a lot of fun.
I'm glad you got to do that too. Yeah. Maybe
we'll be able to do that for us soon. Hello,
I'm Patrick Adams. And I'm Caroline Legere.
And this is Librarians a Littles, a podcast where
we discuss books and makerspace activities and
give tips and tricks for working with our youngest
learners in the library setting. Today, we are
going to be sharing two books that come from
the Texas 2x2 list. The Texas 2x2 list is a list
of 20 titles that are cultivated every year by
the Texas Library Association. These books are
the best books of the year for students between
the ages of two and second grade. The first book
that we're going to look at is called Big Bike,
Little Bike. It is written by Kelly Dubay Gillis
and illustrated by Jacob Suva. It is published
by Harper Collins in 2025. It is on the Texas
2x2 list for 2026, and that is the only list
or award that has been given to this book to
date. A little bit about the author, Kelly Dubey
Gillis. Kelly grew up in Bay City, Michigan.
When she was old enough, she would ride her bike
to the library. At the age of 10, she entered
a Be an Author contest at the library and won.
She decided that she wanted to be an author after
that. Between then and now, she had a variety
of jobs, but she has spent over the past 10 years
as a member of the Society of Children's Book
Writers and Illustrators, learning how to write
books for young readers. She now lives outside
of Cleveland, Ohio with her family. and she continues
to visit the library often. Some of her other
books, she's only got one other. It is If You
Find a Fawn, a What to Do for Wild Wanderers
book. It is illustrated by Waza Pink, which I
need to look into that because that's an interesting
name and I want to find out what other kinds
of books that person has illustrated. It is,
yeah. I'm also intrigued. And the illustrator
for this book is Jacob Suva, and he is an illustrator
of picture books living in upstate New York with
his family of two sons, one dog named Ruby, one
cat with a sneezing problem, and one turtle named
Michelangelo. That's fun. He used to think his
imagination and creativity was a curse, but now
he sees them as the bits that make up great stories.
That's nice. I like it. Yeah. And some of the
other books that he has illustrated are Butterflies
Are Pretty Gross by Rosemary Mosco. Where Does
a Pirate Go Potty by Don Babprovich. Oh dear.
Pachovnik. There we go. Where Does a Cowgirl
Go Potty by Don Babprovich. Hide and Seek Ladybugs
by Paul Wright. Why is for Yet a Growth Mindset
Alphabet by Shannon Anderson. Pedro's Pan. A
Gold Rush Story by Matthew Laisley. Flowers Are
Pretty Weird by Rosemary Mosco. The Bear Stylist
by Stephen Butler. The Girl with the Big Big
Questions by Brittany Nguyen Le. And The Kid
with Big Big Ideas, also by Brittany Nguyen Le.
And there's one more! The Boy with the Big Big
Feelings. Bye! Brittany Wyn Lee yeah and so the
summary for this book is a bike is found by different
characters some being animals some being humans
and it is described as many things being big
small fast slow dirty clean old and new Each
character sees the bike differently based on
their ability, their environment, their attitudes
and perspectives. The bike is used by many characters
and is recycled over many times. And so this
is just a really cute story that uses some alliteration
and just some repetition of sounds and words.
And I think that this is going to be a really
great book to use with my pre -K students. I
haven't used this book with them yet, but I think
I can see this being one that they're going to
enjoy. I really love that the characters in it
are kind of those archetypal characters. So like
when the cheetah that runs by sees the bike and
jumps on it, it's the bike is going up a hill
and so he describes it as being slow and so like
doesn't surprise you that like the cheetah wants
to move faster kind of thing and so he gets off
the bike and then the turtle is the one that
finds it at the top of the hill and gets on it
and as he's going down the hill it's too fast
kind of thing you know and so he gets off of
it that and so like there's some silliness and
that goes along with that but there's also like
this that it's being used and reused by so many
characters it gets muddy it gets cleaned up it
gets dumped, it gets picked up and redone and
remade and reused by people and it goes from
being old to being new again and back and forth
and it's just a really cute story that I think
our students will really love. I think the illustrations
in it are really pretty great. They're not super
overwhelming. There's a lot of white space in
the pictures, but they are pretty amazing and
I think just overall this is going to be a really
good book that a lot of our students are going
to enjoy. Yeah I like this one a lot too and
I like that it's kind of it the text is somewhat
simplistic but I think it's kind of in a good
way where it just it makes it more accessible
for our youngest readers of all, like toddlers
and, you know, three and four year olds. But
then it also, because it's all kind of centered
around the same bike, it's, and the bike can
be different things to the different characters,
and it kind of helps older kids even kind of
promote discussion of you know, the same bike
can be a different thing to a different person.
You know, what's right for you isn't necessarily
right for me. So you could discuss like, and
it's not always right for every person all the
time. So you could discuss, you know, different
perspectives and go at it from that angle, or
you could do it with like an Earth Day lesson
even, and talk about a lot of recycling and reusing
things. This was a really really great book.
It's just I love that it's you know as far as
like the text at first glance it is you know
very it appears more simplistic but then you
can go deeper if you choose to and you can have
a lot of discussion with it. It's really up to
you and how far you want to go with it so it
was a really really great book. Yeah I liked
it a lot I was surprised because when I first
looked at it I was like oh this is kind of this
must this must be one of the books that's for
like the two -year -old kind of age range of
the this series but as i was like looking at
it i was like oh this is actually just a really
good well -written story that and one thing that
popped out to me which will bring us into the
makerspace activity is like all of the adjectives
that are being used throughout the book to describe
the bike and so like i said that's a perfect
segue because my makerspace connection for this
I would make some little cards with different
adjectives on them and then kind of shuffle them
up and randomly give them out to the students
with an adjective and I would pull out the Legos
and have the kids build a bike out of Legos or
it doesn't have to be a bike I might just say
a Means of travel so they could build a car they
could build a skateboard they could build a bike
or a scooter whatever they want to build but
it has to Be able to be described using the adjective
that they get on the card So if they get a slow
if the card that they get says slow then they
have to whatever they build it has to be slow
or if they get like a big then they have to they
have to build something big or small or and use
those adjectives and do it kind of as like a
connection to the adjectives the way the bike
is being described using describing words our
adjectives you are giving you we're giving you
the describing word now you have to make something
that fits that and see what they can come up
with for that kind of doing like a little bit
of a an english lesson introducing adjectives
and describing words that way yeah so i think
that would be a fun activity and even by restricting
the kids by giving them just a random adjective
I think their creativity would come up with a
lot of unique ideas. I think it'd be a lot of
fun to see what they came up with when you say
hey whatever you make it has to be this. I like
that it still gives them a lot of independence
and creative control but then they have to think
of it in a different way with those that stipulation
there. That's a great idea. I wouldn't have come
up with that. I like it. Yeah, I like it just
because it's different. It's not like I like
to kind of surprise the kids sometimes with something
and just be like, here's a random rule that you
have to follow and just see what happens. And
so I think that would be pretty fun. That's very
cool. Good plan. Yeah. All right, so for our
Library of Littles Makerspace Spotlight this
week, we've been talking a lot about tech stuff
like robots and stuff like that. I figured we'd
go low -key, low -tech this time and discuss
Kiva Planks because this is something that I
always have out in my library as part of my Makerspace.
They are a lot of fun. My students really enjoy
them. And so I think everybody should have them.
Kiva planks are uniform precision cut wooden
building blocks that rely entirely on gravity
and balance rather than glue or connectors. They're
designed for ages five and up and they are a
staple in STEM education for teaching principles
of physics, engineering, and architecture. The
website is pretty cool. They've got a ton of
free materials. Like they've got free grant writing
packets, they've got free educator guides, they've
got free lesson plans. They have a free 40 plank
building ideas PDF. They have free hands -on
learning grids and free posters and all these
things on their website that you can get for
them and so like yeah they've got a ton of resources
they will be happy to give you like all of these
resources if you have the materials so it's not
something that you have to come up with your
own ideas for you can and often i do but it's
nice to have some of those things back up like
for like if you have a sub and you need to have
a quick lesson you can look and see what they've
got available on their website See what kind
of activities they have that you can use with
these materials and honestly These kids the kids
my students love using the Kiva planks there
are days when I give them a challenge and other
days where they just get to build whatever they
want with them and There's always kids at the
tables building with them if it's a like a free
build they love to try and see how like how big
of a tower they can build or they like to use
them like dominoes just to see how it they topple
over but like i've given them challenges where
they have to build specific things like playground
equipment or design a park and they can use the
wooden planks to do all of that as well or build
homes or build houses and other buildings and
all sorts of stuff and truly they get pretty
creative with it and I love the kiva planks because
they are just wooden planks and so yeah it says
they're for five but younger kids can use them
and older kids I have my fifth graders use them
all the time too because like I'll have my fifth
graders try and build like a roller coaster track
using the kiva planks and they have to build
a track like where they build the track that
starts high and slowly moves low but with like
bumps and hills and stuff like that along the
way and then you can get with the sets they have
kiva balls which are really just they're ping
pong balls with the kiva name on them but you
could just have ping pong balls give them a ping
pong ball and use it on the track and see what
happens with it and that kind of thing so like
the age range and what you can have the kids
do with them is so widespreading that it's really
not a bad tool to use for for any age group really
and the really cool thing is they're not like
crazy expensive for 400 for 400 planks it costs
about $200 okay but you could get like a they
have an architecture set which has a hundred
planks and it's only 75 bucks kind of thing so
they're definitely depending on how many pieces
you want in the set and like what you're looking
to use them for. Cause you can go as high as
like, I think we have in my campus, my makerspace
teacher has one of the big wooden storage bins
and there are a thousand. planks a thousand of
the kiva planks in that and that's five hundred
dollars you know um i don't think i think i have
um in the library i think i'm closer to like
the 400 piece set probably not even that i probably
only have i probably have like 200 pieces but
you know like there's so many different ways
these can be used and the price range is reasonable
for them and like i said When you like that just
having all of those free resources that are available
with these To help you if you're not sure what
you want to use them for different ideas Yeah
So they've got so many you just on their website
Across the top. There's an educator form and
so it's good like for classroom use and that
kind of thing. And they've got all these different
ideas and yeah, there's so many cool things that
they have available. Oh, and if you go to the
shop under additional products, they literally,
it's a tab that's just free resources and it's
all the different free PDFs that you can get.
Nice. I'm gonna have to check that out later.
So yeah they've got a lot of cool stuff because
they've got space planning tips and hands -on
learning grid PDFs and all sorts of stuff. Yeah.
I think one of my favorite ones is there's a
Kiva planks instruction booklet with just like
with different things that with 40 planks what
you can have kids build. So you could give like,
yeah, there's 10 complete lesson plans in that
one alone. That one's aimed for grades three
to eight, but a lot of these things you can adjust
and change to do different things. That's cool.
It's a lot of fun. A lot of fun. And a lot of
my students really enjoy building with them.
And like I said, even just, it teaches a lot
of cool things too, because. Yeah. Kids they
kind of explore how they can make it so that
because that they're all the same length and
so trying to Build longer creations or taller
creations. They have to start getting creative
with how they put the planks together And so
it's a lot of fun and there's a lot of like learning
and a lot of problem -solving that they bring
up and then with the older kids, you can get
into discussions about like structural integrity
and that kind of stuff too. It's a really, it's
a really cool, simple concept, but a really amazing
tool to use in the classroom. Yeah. I've had,
I don't have any Kiva planks currently. I don't
have much makerspace stuff at all currently.
I'm working on that. Um, but I have had them
in the past. and they're always a really big
hit. They look a lot like Jenga pieces, really.
And they're designed slightly differently, but
not much at all. But they really are like, they
are kind of a simple tool, but they're very effective.
And I think because they're all pretty much the
same size, I think that's a benefit of them.
because it kind of forces the kids to be a little
bit more creative and they kind of know what
they're working with. There's no like, I feel
like when they start building with other things
that have different shapes. I mean, there's benefits
to that too, obviously, but they'll go, oh, I
wish I had this extra piece and I don't have
it. And like this one, they don't really get
frustrated like that. Like they have to recognize
right away. This is what you're working with.
These, this is your. These are what your constraints
are. And I think that's kind of good for them.
So they're a really great tool. They're always
super popular. Like you said, it's simple, but
effective. It's great. So the next book that
we're going to talk about today is Cranky Krabby
Crow Saves the World. It is written and illustrated
by Corey Taber and it's published by Green Willow
Books, which is an imprint of Harper Collins
Publishers in 2025. The only reading list that
this one is on is the Texas 2x2, but it did win
a couple of other awards this last year. It is
an ALSC notable children's book. It got the CCBC
Choices Libby Picture Book Award finalist. I
didn't know Libby was giving awards. That's new.
That was news to me. That started in 2024. Looked
that up. This was a publisher's weekly best book,
a junior library guild selection, and school
library journal best book of the year. So yeah,
a lot going on for this book. Like all of his
books I feel like. All of them I feel like are
just gonna win the awards because that's what
he does. Yeah, and Corey Tabor is just an amazing
author and illustrator overall. So it's not a
surprise that he's on all these lists and awards
and everything because his books are always so
amazing. They are. They're pretty great. Yeah,
so Corey Tabor is an author and illustrator of
children's books. He won a Caldecott honor for
Melfell and he has won the Geisel three times.
for the books Fox has a Problem, Fox at Night,
and Fox the Tiger. He currently lives in Tacoma,
Washington with his wife and son. And some of
the other books that he's written are, he's expanding
the Fox series. There's Fox versus Fox, Fox the
Tiger, Fox at Night, Fox has a Problem, Fox versus
Winter, Fox is Late, Fox and the Bike Ride, and
Fox and the Jumping Contest. That's a lot of
Fox books, but those are fabulous and those are
always checked out at my school. Some of the
other books that he's done are Simon and the
Better Bone, Sir Ladybug and the Bookworms, Sir
Ladybug and the Queen Bee, Melfell, Ursula Upside
Down, and Snail Crossing. And in this particular
book, A lone crow sits on a telephone wire when
a squirrel approaches him and invites him to
have fun by throwing garbage into the street
below. Crow's reaction is to caw at him until
he goes away. Then Crow is approached by a hummingbird,
a rat, a bat, and a cat, and with all of them,
Crow caws at them until they leave. Once they're
all gone, the telephone on the telephone pole
rings and the voice on the other end asks, Secret
Agent Crow if he has cleared the area. Crow then
gets down in the secret elevator in the telephone
pole where he goes to a rocket which launches
him into space and destroys the meteor that was
heading toward Earth with lasers. After he completes
his mission, Crow goes back to his telephone
wire and invites all of the characters that he
so offended before to watch the meteor shower
with him. Like all of Corey Tabor's books like
this one was just really Great really clever
a love that it starts off with just a rude crow
It was kind of it starts off kind of predictably
with you know all the characters coming up one
at a time asking crow to do different things
with them and He just caused at them kind of
simply until they all go away But I love that
he has a secret mission over there like that
was just an unexplained unexpected plot twist
that i don't think any of the kids are going
to see coming i sure didn't see it coming actually
i love that he goes into space and saves the
world and then he's like kind to everyone when
he comes back and is like hey let's all hang
out together and then at the very end like at
the on the very last page there's a very small
little secret code with some symbols for kids
to decode and I don't remember what it said.
I decoded it and I forgot what it was, but that
was a fun little addition there where it was
like you could talk about secret agents and secret
codes and stuff and like do it with older kids
and like, you know, create a secret code of some
kind for them too. Like it was just, it was great.
It was a great book. It's a five out of five
for sure. It's a good one. Highly recommended.
I really enjoyed this story because like you
said at first it's very predictable and then
all of a sudden it goes on a tangent that was
not at all expected and so I really enjoyed being
surprised by a picture book like just because
that is not at all where I thought that story
was going and so like I knew it was called like
that he saves the world but I was like how is
this like because he's just being I didn't think
he was gonna literally save the world. Yeah.
I'm not sure what I thought was gonna happen,
but it wasn't that. And so like, I was like,
okay, it's just a cranky crab calling at everybody
getting them to leave him alone kind of thing.
And so like, I like, and I should have known
something was gonna happen when it has that saves
the world portion in in parentheses, but like,
it was just so routine and so predictable and
then all of a sudden it was not anymore. And
so it was fun. It was a lot of fun. I think the
kids are definitely gonna enjoy this book and
this will be one that they want to read again
and again. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely five out of
five. Yeah, it was great. Good one. Yeah, and
I like that you can talk about like at the beginning
if you want to make an SEL connection you totally
could with like talking about kindness and like
other people's perspectives and yeah he was rude
it's true but he had a good reason to be and
you know he's actually saving everybody and you
know if you want to you could even go deeper
with that and be like you know what sometimes
people are rude in general and sometimes they're
just having a bad day and you don't know what
their reasons are And yeah, they're probably
not really secret agents trying to clear the
world, clear the area so that they can go save
the world, but like, they might, you know, have
other things going on in their lives that's where
it's not necessarily about you. Like, you don't
know if they're being rude for other reasons
and maybe you just give them some space and let
them come around. Like, you don't have to be
rude back. You could talk to them about that
and things like that. and just make some social
emotional connections that way. Yeah, it's a
great book. And I think for a makerspace activity
for this one with younger kids, I think we would
build rockets with either magnetiles or Legos
and build a nice little rocket for Crow to go
save the world in because obviously he can't
do that if he doesn't have a rocket. So we got
to help him out. Absolutely. I think that, I
think the kids would love doing that too. That'll
be so much fun. Yeah. Very cool. Well, thank
you all for joining us today on this episode
of Librarians of Littles and we hope you found
some new ideas for inspiring our young readers.
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at librarianoflittlespodatgmail .com. Yeah, I
was also I am disappointed. I think next year
We just need to do it like we need to just plan
in advance and take off the day For the North
Texas Teen Book Festival and just go next year.
I thought about it It wasn't at the right time
for me. I had no yeah and I'm not planning. I
did I also missed the region 11 conference because
of book fair like yeah it was bad timing i i
don't know i'm going to be planning my did you
fix your fall book fair date so that it doesn't
impact that again not yet because i don't have
anything i don't i don't know when to plan it
for next year i was gonna talk with my principal
about that like in june talk to yeah talk to
your principal at it here's what i'll tell you
mine is scheduled for the last week in october
Which is already a crazy week and so I just kind
of steer into the skid with it because it's dress
-up days every because it's red ribbon week so
there's dress -up days every single day and you
get the yeah, the The character dress -up parade
and all that kind of stuff. Yeah, and so I do
it that week and honestly the Friday before that
and Next week it might our next year. It might
not be the week before but it might be during
that week but our campus also does a trunk or
treat event yeah and so that's my evening event
for the book fair and it does well so trying
to set up something like that would be good but
no um yeah the north texas teen festival just
was not going to be on mine because that was
that was also the week that monday i was out
help dealing with sarah because she had her colonoscopy
and then that Wednesday I took a half day to
go to see that author visit so trying to take
that Friday off too I was like that's too much
in one week to do so but next year I'd like to
I think I'm gonna try and like plan in like September
and just put that day in as a day off to go next
year because I've never been and I hear it's
an amazing experience and so I'd like to go It
is. I went two years ago, I think. Yeah, it's
really good. It's like TLA light. It's good.
Yeah, that's it. And I've never been, and so
I'd like to add that to my list of experiences
to go to that. And it's free. And that's it.
It doesn't cost anything other than me coming
up with subplans for the day. So I do want to
do it. I do want to go. And so I think I'm going
to try and make that happen this year. I was
pretty irritated that I couldn't go this year
but that's okay. Yeah. This year's wonky in a
lot of ways. Yeah this year you know it's a learning
year especially for you like growing year because
it's all the new stuff and so that is what's
happening absolutely. Next year is a like we
can make a goal next year we're gonna try and
go. I'm going. It's happening.