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Hello, I'm Patrick Adams. And I'm Caroline Legere.

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And this is Librarians of Littles, a podcast

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where we share books, give makerspace ideas,

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and give those tips and tricks for working with

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the youngest learners in the library setting.

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This week, we have selected two books that we

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both think are just really great and fun and

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just kind of our favorite books that we try to

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make sure we use every year in the library with

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our students. And this week we're gonna start

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with one that I love to use. I generally use

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this one near the beginning of the school year,

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but it's a fun book to use at any point during

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the year, honestly. The book is called If You

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Ever Want to Bring a Circus to the Library, Don't.

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It's written and illustrated by Elise Parsley

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and it was published by Little Brown and Company

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in 2017. This book actually hasn't won any awards

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or honors, but two other books in this series

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have won some awards. If You Ever Want to Bring

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an Alligator to School, Don't was an Anna Dudney

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Read Together Award honor in 2021. And it was

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on, it was a... Children's Favorite Award Selection

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for 2016, and it was a Junior Library Guild Selection

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for 2015. And the If You Ever Want to Bring a

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Piano to the Beach, Don't was a Children's Favorite

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Award Selection for 2017. And the author -illustrator

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of this book, Elise Parsley, studied drawing

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and creative writing at Minnesota State University

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Moorhead. During college, she volunteered with

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an AmeriCorps academic enrichment program promoting

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literacy. And some of her other books are If

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You Ever Want to Bring an Alligator to School,

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Don't, Neck and Neck, If You Ever Want to Bring

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a Piano to the Beach, Don't, How to Catch a Clover

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Thief, If You Ever Want to Bring a Pirate to

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Meet Santa, Don't, It's Tummy Time, and she illustrated

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The Magic Word by Mac Barnett. And so the summary

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for this book is we're introduced to the lovable

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character Magnolia. Magnolia learns the hard

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lesson that even if a poster says that you can

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do anything in the library, it doesn't mean that

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you can bring a circus into the library. As Magnolia

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tries to have her circus appease the librarian

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and entertain the children, she struggles to

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do acts like the high wire, a clown act, passing

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out concessions, and Firing herself from a cannon

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and so all of the mayhem that ensues from that

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is Collected to find that yes, it is actually

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a terrible idea to bring a circus to the library

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Like I said, I love to use this book near the

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beginning of the year when we're talking about

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library expectations and library behavior Because

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this is a really fun story that grabs the students

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attention. It keeps them guessing and laughing

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as to what's going to happen. Magnolia is that

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strong -willed child that thinks that she knows

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best and that she's going to figure this out

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and she ends up learning that hard lesson. The

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illustrations are so bright and wonderful and

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the facial expressions of the other characters

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in the book the entire time are so exaggerated.

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It shows those feelings and the thoughts of the

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characters without having to to verbalize them.

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And so I use this a lot as a book to discuss

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how we should be acting in the library and what's

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acceptable to do in the library and what's not

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acceptable to do in the library. And it's just

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a really fun story that keeps the kids engaged

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and laughing. It keeps them entertained. And

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it's just a really cute story. Magnolia as a

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character, if you read the whole series of books,

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she's just a really kind of crazy silly fun character

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that i think a lot of kids can relate to as being

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like but i i think i can do this i think i know

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i can get it done and you know they kind of have

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to learn that hard way that that's it's not going

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to be successful in the end and so i really enjoy

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this book and i i would give it a five out of

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five because it's not a super long book there's

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enough Crazy events that are happening that it

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keeps the students attentions for a long time.

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The only thing is is that especially with pre

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-k students There's the the background knowledge

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of what a circus is and what a circus entails

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so we usually have a discussion and talk a little

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bit about what a circus is before I read the

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story and I show usually show them some like

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pictures of like a circus tent and like some

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like a clown and a ringmaster and that kind of

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thing just to give them some ideas of What a

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circus is because a lot of them haven't necessarily

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had that experience. There's, I mean, circuses

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are, I would think, I think they're slowly kind

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of going away and they're definitely changing

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from when we were a kid. There's a lot less animals

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that are involved in circuses and that kind of

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thing. So like they've definitely changed and

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you don't see them as often. So those experiences

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for those kids is limited. So giving them a little

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bit of background knowledge so they can understand

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the story first would be the only thing I try

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to make sure I do just so that they can enjoy

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the story to the full extent. But I love this

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book. I think it's so much fun and the kids really

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enjoy it. I'm super glad you picked this book

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because I love this series. It's a lot of fun.

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It's everything you said. I love how bright the

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illustrations are. They're very eye -catching

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and kids just absolutely love them. Actually

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everything that I think Elise Parsley does. Like

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I've read several of her books like not just

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from this series but a couple of others and as

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well to kids and like the kids just like love

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it they're just very it's told kind of somewhat

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simply but like in it's more like the cadence

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the not cadence but the words that she uses are

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very much like conversational i guess so it's

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a little bit more easier for our kids to understand

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and so it's just the way that it's written is

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Because it's conversational the kids really get

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it and it resonates with them a little bit better

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Because it's kind of like you're listening to

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a friend to listen, you know, just talk so I

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really like the way that kind of flows and There's

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a lot of just silliness and they're really funny.

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So I just I enjoy this author and illustrator

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a whole lot This is a really great choice Good

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book. Good job. Yeah The other thing that I love

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about this is if you actually read all of the

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books in this series, there are some parts that

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are consistent and kind of like running jokes

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throughout all of the book series. Like in every

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one of the four books that have Magnolia, there

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are egg and cheese sandwiches somewhere in the

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story that she's either eating or trying to pass

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out. Like in this book, for the concessions,

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she has egg and cheese sandwiches. in the book

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the with the alligator at school it eats her

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egg and cheese sandwich at the at the beach she

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has egg and cheese sandwiches for lunch i don't

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think i've noticed that yes so and even in the

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pirate meeting santa the pirate eats her egg

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and cheese sandwich so egg and cheese sandwiches

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are a running thing and then the other is that

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when it gets to that peak ridiculousness in the

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story where she's finally realizing that Like

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she's she's made a giant error in judgment and

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she needs to just Stop with what she's doing.

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It's always that she feels like she should just

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go home Like that is a running like yeah, just

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go home kind of thing So like having that throughout

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the series is just really cute. So like Because

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I will read this one near the beginning of the

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year and then I usually follow it up Within a

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couple weeks not right away, but within a couple

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weeks. We'll read the bringing an alligator to

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school And so like the kids will start to notice

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and then when we get into like December and we

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start talking about Like holidays and stuff will

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read the bringing a pirate to Santa and they

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start to catch on a little bit more and then

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a lot of times near the end of the year will

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read the bringing a piano to the beach because

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like we're getting close to summer and so like

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and so they we'll read like almost all of the

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books most years and like the kids are like wait

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a minute like that that was something that was

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in the other book too and like they started to

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catch on to those things that run through both

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stories and it's cute and it's fun but yeah i

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love this book and the kids really enjoyed the

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whole series it's a great series yeah so as far

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as a makerspace activity that would go along

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with this i did this book like i said at the

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beginning of the year and i actually had couple

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different ideas because I did it with actually

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Pre -k through fifth grade because it's such

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a good book that even my fifth graders were able

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to sit and enjoy it and like Laugh along with

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it. So it worked really well for pre -k. I Would

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do something a little bit more simple in the

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story when Magnolia gets shot out of the cannon

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she hits the bookshelves and they start to collapse

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kind of like dominoes and so having the kids

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use like kiva planks, wooden planks of some kind

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and building like domino chains and seeing if

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they can make different shapes with the domino

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chains before they have them collapse over top

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over each other would be a fun way for the little

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kids the pre -k kids to be able to physically

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move some stuff around and see that domino chain

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kind of happen after it's it's presented in the

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book which would be fun with kinder and first

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i had them use legos to build their own circus

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which was fun because so like we had kids like

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trying to build circus tents and stuff like that

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which was pretty cool and this whole book starts

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with a poster that is on one of the library shelves

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and it's a boy reading a book and it says you

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can do anything at the library and in his imagination

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he's doing like the trapeze and so with my older

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students the fourth and fifth grade students

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I gave them paper and art utensils and told them

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to make their own like library poster like motivational

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poster kind of thing. Oh that's fun. Oh I love

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that. and so like there are some really cool

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ones that the kids came up with so like yeah

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you can just like put that up all year yeah and

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so this this book works for like so many different

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levels and there's so many different ways that

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you can incorporate it and give the kids some

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possibilities for different makerspace activities

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at every level and so it was really cool to be

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able to do that and it like because i tried not

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to do the same book for every grade level but

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this one just works really well at the beginning

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of the year to kind of go over It does. You know,

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like the routines and the expectations and that

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kind of stuff and so I used it for all the grade

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levels and there were different activities we

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could do that they could connect with at each

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level which was really nice. I love that. It

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was cool. That is cool to be able to do the same

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book with every grade level every now and then.

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Yeah. I don't know. I'm guessing. I don't know.

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I'm all pre -k right now. I'll find out later.

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You'll find out soon enough. But it is nice and

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it's because it's also something that the next

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year you can be like remember when we read this

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last time so now we're going to do this but we'll

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do something different afterwards you know and

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so like having a couple of those books that you

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come back to every year and be like remember

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we've had this conversation before we talked

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about this book we read this book it's a fun

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book we can read it again and notice more things

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about it and so there are some books that you

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read from year to year with the same yeah group

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of kids yeah yeah because you know like and i've

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explained because I mean, a year has passed.

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I think that's fair. Yeah, absolutely. And we've

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you've had those same kids that have been like

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you go to read a story and they've been like,

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we've already read this in class or I read this

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at home. OK, well, we can enjoy the story again.

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It's OK to read a book more than once. Sometimes

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we can get something new out of it every time.

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You know, so like, yeah, there are years where

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and so like this is one of those books that I'll

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read pretty consistently every year with every

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grade level just because it does such a good

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job of. segueing us into here's how we should

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be acting in the library these are some things

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that we shouldn't be doing and just kind of having

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that conversation and then yeah like each grade

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level kind of has their own little activity that

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goes along with it and so it works out pretty

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well yeah it's and then there's also just the

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added well I don't have to make six different

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plans for one for each grade level kind of thing,

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too, which is just an added bonus. Especially

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at the beginning of the year when we're all wiped

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out. At the beginning of the year, when you're

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trying to get everything else going and trying

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to make sure that all your teachers have everything

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they need to get going and stuff, sometimes simple

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is better. And so this is a nice one to start

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the year with. And, you know, the next week we'll

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do something that's individualized for each grade

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level or whatever. But yeah, sometimes just hitting

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those good stories that everyone can enjoy. Yeah,

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works out. I like it All right. So this week

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for our library of littles management tip. We're

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gonna just discuss book purchasing Selecting

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books. What do we what kind of criteria do you

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use to pick the books that are going to be part

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of your? Your collection and then how do you

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pick the books that? You're gonna use for your

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lessons with the students because just because

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it's a good book for your library doesn't necessarily

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mean it's a great book to do with a lesson for

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the whole group or as I read aloud and so just

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kind of discussing some of those the criteria

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that we have and we use to kind of make those

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purchases make those decisions about whether

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we use them as a whole group lesson that kind

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of thing so I'll get started in my district currently

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for purchasing the expectation is that the books

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have it usually it's two to three positive reviews

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that it's within the reasonable age range. So

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my campus is pre -K through fifth grade. So usually

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we can get into sixth, maybe into seventh grade

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if it's appropriate, if the bottom age range

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is low enough that it makes it reasonable for

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us to have it on the campus. And then like we'll

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often use, but it's not a... final criteria but

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we'll use some of like the state lists and stuff

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like that to help us at least take a look at

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those books and decide if they're worth purchasing.

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And then my campus is or my district is cool

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because I like that we do this is we have these

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smaller groupings so like every like three campuses

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work together where when I make my list of what

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I'm purchasing I then send it to two other librarians

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and they take a look at it and kind of they're

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like well you might look at this one or I've

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heard this oh that's cool kind of thing and then

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what's nice is I can also see what other campuses

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are purchasing and be like yeah I want to add

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that to my next list because that looks like

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a good one and so I like that we do that because

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it gives us a couple checks and balances to make

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sure that like I if I miss something like in

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one of the reviews somebody else is checking

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it also but then I could also see what other

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librarians are looking at purchasing and it helps

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me get more ideas of what I can add to my lists.

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I love that. The collaborative aspect of it is

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really nice and it's helpful and so my district

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that's what we do and it's really helpful as

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far as for purchasing books because you know

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there's so many books that come out every year

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and some of them are excellent but finding out

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which ones are really excellent and not just

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sticking like I'll be honest, sometimes there

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are just times where I'm like, okay, I really

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like this author. I'm gonna make sure that I

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have all of those books, which is great. But

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there are new authors coming out all the time

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too, and I don't wanna miss all there. So using

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School Library Journal and other journals to

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find new books is helpful. We use TitleWave in

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our district. We use a couple different book

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purchasing places, but TitleWave is nice because

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it does have some of those new authors and some

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of those... hot books that are coming out so

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we can look at those lists and see what's on

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there as well. Bound to Stay Bound usually has

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lists like that too and so like checking out

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all of those lists that way that they recommend

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for certain age groups is always nice also for

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making those purchasing selections. Your district

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is a little different in that there's a little

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bit more stringency to the process. They are

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a little more stringent. We have a lot of rules

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in our district. So our district requires us

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to ideally have at least three positive reviews.

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Obviously, not just any reviews, has to be professional

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publications with positive reviews for the books

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that we purchase. And then there's a checklist

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of, well, not a checklist, more guidelines of

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what is allowed to be in the books based on,

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you know, elementary level, middle school level,

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and then high school level. And it's just, it's

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really just making sure that the books are developmentally

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appropriate for the students we serve, which

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obviously we use the guidelines and refer to

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them frequently, but it's nothing really groundbreaking

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or anything. It's pretty much everything that

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I would use. irregardless of whether we have

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the guidelines or not, it's just kind of common

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sense like, no, we're not going to put super

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violent books in, you know, the elementary school.

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And it's, you know, yes, we go through the publications

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and make sure that they are. written for the

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age groups that we serve and things like that

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so it's just a more formalized way of doing everything

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that you just stated pretty much. But then when

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I'm going through and looking things I also consider

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like I'll have kids request even at the pre -k

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level there's certain topics that our students

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will request they really like Paw Patrol right

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now and Bluey so Those ones don't obviously have

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a whole lot of professional reviews just because

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those are kind of copies of the TV shows themselves.

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So there's not as much to like review because

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it's not necessarily an original story. So there

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are exceptions for things like that. We're just

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kind of working on, there is a process in our

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district for getting books like that approved

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without the professional reviews because yes,

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Bluey is still developmentally appropriate for

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pre -K. That's allowed. Yeah, we also kind of

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take those things into consideration. But everything

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that you stated, too, like with typical books,

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yes, going to look for the three or more professional

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reviews and just making sure that we have kind

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of high quality books, ideally more recent ones,

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in addition to, you know, a few of the classics.

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But yeah. i think that's about it oh and then

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naturally going along with the curriculum as

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well when i'm looking through books since there's

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only really like six units of study for pre -k

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in our in our district so i'm gonna look more

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for books that kind of relate to either water

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or boxes which is an interesting unit of study.

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But still, there you go. It's there. School is

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one of them in general. So like school and community

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and things like that, which covers actually,

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if you really think about it, yes, a wide variety

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of books, actually. So yeah, looking through

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the curriculum, looking for the high quality

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reviews, and then student interest as well. Because

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man, when I get those Blue Wing Paw Patrol books,

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they kind of fly off the shelves, because those

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kids love them. That's still true in elementary.

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I have second graders that are like, are the

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Bluey books back yet? Can I check them out yet?

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They're still into it, so yeah. And the other

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thing is, I didn't mention, but like Mo Willems

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books and stuff like that, the fact that he's

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still, like the Elephant and Piggy books, they're

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not, people aren't reviewing those books anymore.

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But since they're part of a series that has been

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reviewed and are highly... highly considered

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books, like we can get by with getting those

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still without having to have the three positive

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reviews and that kind of thing for those kind

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of books. Once the series has been established

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and it has positive reviews in general, getting

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the next ones in the series is a little bit easier

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also, yeah. And then it's the, how do we pick

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the books for the lessons that we do? How do

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we pick the Read Aloud books that we're doing?

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is a whole other process. And because there'll

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be days where I go through, and I go through

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five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten books before

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I find the one that I really want. For me, the

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first thing I do is I decide what topic or what

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subject I'm going to be using for my lesson.

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Then I look at what I have available in the library.

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And so I'll go through and kind of start pulling

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a couple of those to look at. And then it comes

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down to the story themselves. how long the book

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is because especially with pre -k the attention

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span is short and so it needs to be engaging

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and it needs to not just be a really long dredge

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of a story and like that doesn't mean that like

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the picture book isn't a good book it just means

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that for the attention span of the children that

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i'm trying to present it to it needs to stick

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within a certain time frame if it's going to

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take longer then I think the kids will be able

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to sit still. Then I usually choose another book

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that will better fit the time that we have with

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those students. And then just, I think the pictures

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definitely have an impact because I want the

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students to be visually engaged as well as like

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listening to the story. And so there's a lot

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of kind of like little things that I look at

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in the story, like are the pictures bright and

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colorful? And if not, is there a reason for it

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in the story? Is like some of the older books

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like that we used to have, I don't have as many

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of them on the shelf. The only reason I have

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them now at this point are because they're like

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classics. And so teachers have lessons that go

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with them and stuff, but like the older books

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that were kind of like monotone colored and stuff

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like that, they're not really engaging, you know?

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And so we want books that are visually engaging

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to the students that keep their attention. And

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so bright colorful thing, unless that's part

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of the story, unless it's something that has

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to do specifically with the story and helps tell

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the story better. Those visual cues and stuff

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are really important. And then just like, if

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I tend to find myself drawn to books that have

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like a rhyme scheme to them, because I think

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that helps the students because they like the

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predictability, they like that they can guess

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what's coming. with the rhyming words so I tend

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to if I have the choice I tend to choose those

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books that have that but yeah I'm looking for

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things that are going to be highly engaging for

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my students based on the topic that I'm trying

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to teach them for each lesson and so it takes

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there's times when like I'm working for two or

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three days trying to find just the right book

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and there are times when in my collection I'm

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like I don't have what I want and then I have

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to go to the public library and look And then

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if that happens, I make sure I add that book

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to my next purchase list so that I can have it

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for the following year to be able to use it,

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so. Yeah. I think my process is pretty similar

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to yours, actually. I do everything that you

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listed. The only thing I think I would add is

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every... For me, the most important criteria

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is like, yes, obviously it has to, you know,

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actually teach something and there's a topic

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I'm trying to... Trying to teach but the most

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important thing for me is like making sure that

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I'm picking a book that I Really truly enjoy

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because if I don't like love it a lot Then I

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think that like bleeds through when I'm reading

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it and you can tell like if I'm not having fun

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Reading it and I'm not truly enjoying myself.

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Then I know the kids won't so every now and then

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I'll even pick a book that like I know is just

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a little bit over their heads and maybe not every

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kid is going to grasp the concept of it, but

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I love it so deeply and I'm going to read it

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with so much passion that it's not going to matter

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because they're going to feel that the book joy

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emanating from me and that's going to be the

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thing that sticks with them. So sometimes not

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that doesn't happen very often. But there's maybe

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like two or three books a year where I'm like,

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I just love it that much that you're gonna get

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to hear it no matter what, huh? And we're all

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gonna have fun. No, that's a really good point

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because doing read -alouds is very performative

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and your passion definitely is expressed through

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that. So yeah, absolutely. Having a book that

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you enjoy is a big part of it, I agree. That's

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an excellent point. Yeah. Yeah. books are fun

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finding the right book is important though yes

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if we can convey to the kids through all of those

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things that books are fun then that's what grabs

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them in and wants them to keep coming back and

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reading more so well on that note the fun book

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that we're going to talk about next is the book

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with no pictures it was printed by dial books

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for young readers an imprint of penguin Penguin

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Group in 2014. And the author of this book is

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BJ Novak. There is no illustrator because it's

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the book with no pictures. This book did not

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win any awards, but it has it is on 16 US state

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lists and two Australian lists. I didn't even

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know Australia had lists. I know that makes sense.

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But yeah, I didn't have heard of any Australian

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lists, but it totally makes sense that they do.

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It does make sense that they do. We just haven't

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found any yet. And these are from 2022. So maybe

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this was a more recent thing that they I don't

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know. I'm sure they have more lists than this,

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but this book is the Australian lists that this

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book is on is the New South Wales Premieres Reading

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Challenge for 2022 for grades K through two and

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the Queensland Premieres Reading Challenge for

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2022 years eight and nine. A couple of the US

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state lists are the Colorado Children's Book

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Award 2016, Mississippi Magnolia Award for 2017

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for grades K through two, Wyoming Buckaroo Book

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Award. for 2015, gave grades K through three,

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Iowa Goldfinch Award for 2016, and the Utah Beehive

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Award for 2016. All right, so BJ Novak is the

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author. He is a comedian, actor, screenwriter,

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author, and producer. He's best known for playing

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the role of Ryan Howard on The Office. He won

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two Screen Actors Guild Awards and was nominated

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for five Emmys for his writing. acting and producing

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in the show. The vast majority of his career

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has been focused on television and movies and

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the book with no pictures is his only children's

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book. And I just as a side note I have to tell

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you that my 13 year old son we've literally I

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didn't know that you'd pick this but last week

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We started watching the office with him because

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we were like he's at that age now where he'll

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get that he'll appreciate it now Yeah, we've

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been we've been watching the office and I had

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to point out to him in like the first episode

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I was like see him see He is a writer for the

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show and he wrote the book with no pictures and

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he was like really that's the guy that wrote

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the book with no So like he was super excited

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about it, but like just Making those connections

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is pretty cool. Yeah, that is Well, the book

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with no pictures if you've never read it has

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no pictures naturally and it's kind of the narrator

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is speaking to the reader the whole time and

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It's kind of it starts out with like them explaining

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to The reader this is how books work You read

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the words on the page and the grown -up has to

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say them and it kind of gets progressively sillier

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and sillier as it keeps going so This one is

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a lot of it, my personal children still remember

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this from when they were younger, just like your

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son did. My kids have repeated, even though my

00:30:07.839 --> 00:30:11.160
kids are now 11 and 13, they still every now

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and then they're like, do you remember that book?

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It's really funny. But I really, really love

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it because it is, naturally it has no pictures,

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so there's nothing for the kids to look at, so

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it's all auditory. And when you're looking through

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the, like you can still show the kids the book

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because the, the words, the text on the page

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themselves, like they do get like bigger and

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smaller based on what you're reading. And you

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can kind of, it helps to kind of show students

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like, you know, this, you know, see where this

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text is bigger. I'm going to read a lot louder

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over here and I'm going to get more expressive.

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So that's kind of cool too. So it's not like

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you can't show them the book, although you don't

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necessarily have to. but I just think it's a

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really great way to kind of really show kids

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what books are actually for and it's for you

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know reading aloud and like understanding words

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and that books can really really be a lot of

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fun because it's just so super duper silly. I

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like to do this one with pre -k at the very end

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of the year because it's silly enough that they'll

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kind of ask for it over and over at the beginning

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of the year when there's obviously there's nothing

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wrong with that but this is kind of a fun one

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to kind of end the year with because it's just

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that silly and all the kids will kind of be laughing

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and there's not necessarily a unit that goes

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with it or anything it's just a for fun silly

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book so yeah it's a lot of fun I would give it

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a five out of five Absolutely. And this is one

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of those books where the performative portion

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of it has a huge role in whether it lands with

00:31:51.880 --> 00:31:54.079
the kids or not. Yeah, you have to be that performer

00:31:54.079 --> 00:31:57.480
for this. So it's and you're right, it's a super

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fun story. And like I was telling you before

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we started recording, this was the book that

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I plan to end the year with with my pre -k students

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because it's just such a fun and silly story.

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And at that point, you've taught the kids like

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a lot of the expectations and stuff so they're

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not going to it's not going to be ridiculous

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like kids like jumping up and down and getting

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all crazy but they can still enjoy the story

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and have a good time and laugh and enjoy and

00:32:23.269 --> 00:32:27.269
just be be kids and it's just such a great great

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book that the kids just love so much it's going

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to be one that they always remember and it's

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still like i have i do i have first and second

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graders that every week are like where's that

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book? Can I get that book checked out? Because

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it's a classic that they love to take home and

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have their parents read to them and enjoy. And

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it's just so much fun. It's a great story. I

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agree. It is. It's a good time. As far as a makerspace

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activity for this one, it doesn't really lend

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itself to a makerspace activity, I don't think,

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all that well, but... you could do Mad Libs and

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I got that idea because when I was looking up

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the book the stuff for this book I didn't know

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that they actually published like a my that there's

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another version of the book with no pictures

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called my book with no pictures and it is Mad

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Libs where you just like fill in the blank I

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didn't know that existed I know, but that's awesome.

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I know. I was very excited. I was like, what?

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There's another one. And then I was looking and

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I was like, no, it's the same one. And they just

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like took out some of the, you know, instead

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of saying I'm a blueberry pizza, I don't remember.

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I'm a blueberry pizza. I want a blueberry pizza.

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My head is a blueberry pizza. My head is a blueberry

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pizza. That's what it was. Yes. Instead of saying

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my head is a blueberry pizza, like you fill in

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the blank with your own silliness and create

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your own super duper silly story. So not really

00:33:57.069 --> 00:34:00.170
makerspace, but still kind of a creative way

00:34:00.170 --> 00:34:03.069
to enjoy the book together. And that could still

00:34:03.069 --> 00:34:05.230
be an extension of like your whole group activity,

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which I think the kids would stay engaged with.

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Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. And then you're still

00:34:10.809 --> 00:34:13.210
like, you could do your shared writing. And like,

00:34:13.449 --> 00:34:16.909
I really love that kind of idea of doing the

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shared writing with the Mad Libs. And you can

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talk about the different parts of speech. I guess

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that would be better for older kids, obviously.

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But. Like kind of being creative all together

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and telling your story together That would be

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a lot of fun and I think like you're right like

00:34:32.619 --> 00:34:34.559
parts of speech and stuff would probably be for

00:34:34.559 --> 00:34:37.500
older kids, but Even the younger kids if you

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read the sentence with the blank in it Yeah.

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They're going to pick the right type of word

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whether they know it's called an adjective or

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not. This is true. You can still do that for

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sure. I agree with you. I think they would be

00:34:50.320 --> 00:34:52.300
totally engaged in that when they could be like,

00:34:52.440 --> 00:34:54.699
this is the story we made and it's ridiculous.

00:34:56.760 --> 00:34:59.420
That would be awesome. I think they would love

00:34:59.420 --> 00:35:02.460
that a lot. I really like that idea. That'd be

00:35:02.460 --> 00:35:05.460
really cool because they get to be creative and

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come up with something that is just totally silly.

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Yeah, but you're right like instead. Yeah, they

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would I think you're right They would pick the

00:35:14.289 --> 00:35:16.369
right part of speech I think after having read

00:35:16.369 --> 00:35:18.869
it through the first time you could yeah, like

00:35:18.869 --> 00:35:21.610
what's something else instead of This that we

00:35:21.610 --> 00:35:25.369
could pick. Yeah, they could do it Yeah, and

00:35:25.369 --> 00:35:27.710
you know, that's what we're the adults are there

00:35:27.710 --> 00:35:29.670
for too If you need to scaffold and give a little

00:35:29.670 --> 00:35:31.989
support that would be okay, too To still come

00:35:31.989 --> 00:35:34.170
up with a fun story that everybody enjoys. That'd

00:35:34.170 --> 00:35:37.579
be really awesome. Yeah, I love that idea Yeah,

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I haven't tried it yet, but probably next year.

00:35:39.800 --> 00:35:43.719
Actually, definitely next year. Whoa! That's

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fun. Okay. Yeah, it'll be cool. Yeah, it will.

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