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Hello, I'm Patrick Adams. And I'm Caroline Leshear.

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And this is Librarians of Littles, a podcast

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where we talk about picture books, give ideas

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for makerspace activities, and give tips and

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tricks for working with our youngest learners

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in the library. This week we are going to talk

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about two books from the Texas 2x2 list for 2025.

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The Texas 2x2 list is a list of 20 books. that

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are excellent books for readers between the ages

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of two and second grade. Our first book today

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is called A Pinecone written and illustrated

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by Helen Yoon and published by Candlewick Press

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in 2024. This book is currently on the Association

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for Library Service to Children's Notable Children's

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Book List of 2025. And Helen Yoon has also received

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many other awards for her other books. She...

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also has very limited information about herself

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on the internet. Her website had almost nothing.

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I found a couple other places that gave us a

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little bit of information, but not much. She

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was born and raised in California. She graduated

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from the University of California, Irvine with

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a BS in chemistry and from Art Center College

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of Design with a BFA in illustration. And that's

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it. That's all that's out there. I don't know.

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That's great. You know what? That would probably

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be my author history as well if I was published

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online. Some of her other books include Have

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You Seen My Invisible Dinosaur, Off Limits, I'm

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a Unicorn, Sheepish Wolf Undercover, and Ball

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and Balloon written by Rob Sanders. and the summary

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for this book is when a little girl goes on a

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walk with her dad and their dog she discovers

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a pine cone and then another and another while

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dad is busy dealing with the dog the little girl

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collects more and more pine cones giving each

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a unique name When the dad finally discovers

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the large number of pinecones throughout their

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home, instead of freaking out, the dad embraces

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the joy the girl has for the pinecones and accepts

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their fate and uses the pinecones to decorate

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the home with his daughter. I thought this was

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such a sweet, cute book. The little girl is just

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so cute and with how excited she is. at finding

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all of the pine cones and I can totally see this

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being something that the kids can relate to because

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so many kids when they go out to recess they're

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coming back in with pockets full of rocks and

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flowers and all the things so bringing in pine

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cones totally seems on brand for our age group

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uh and then I love I love the illustrations they're

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like the wide eye just brilliance of the characters.

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Helen Yoon uses like a lot of sharp angles to

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kind of show some exaggerated movements, which

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I really enjoy. The entire, I guess you'd call

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it like a bee story that's happening with the

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dad and the dog in the background is hysterical

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to me because I have two dogs and I know exactly

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what that's like to have a dog that's... dragging

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you all over the place and getting into everything

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especially like getting muddy and then having

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to try and get it to sit still so you can clean

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off all the like all of that happening while

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this cute little girl is just collecting so many

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pinecones and putting them in everything from

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like in boots and the dog bowl on chairs and

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then when the dad realizes not only are there

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pinecones all over the place but with it has

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come like bugs and things like that throughout

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their home instead of freaking out he just kind

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of you know rolls with it and goes with the like

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the caring loving parent that is accepting of

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their crazy child kind it's just such a sweet

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heartwarming story i really enjoyed it the the

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pictures are wonderful the The muted like the

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white and muted background so that the characters

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pop on the page It's just I really enjoy it a

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lot The kids will think that it's so funny to

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watch all of the things that are happening throughout

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the book and then at the end where you can just

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see that dad's just kind of resigned to it and

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he's helping string the pinecones throughout

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the house and decorating with them all over the

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place it just It just works so well and it's

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such a sweet and cute story. I think it's great.

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I think that this is... I'm gonna go with a 4

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.5 out of 5 bookmarks. I think it's a really

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great story. I think the kids are really gonna

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enjoy it. I think it's a great book that I would

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probably read in the fall when there's pinecones

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around. But I think it's a really fun, cute story

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that my students... We'll definitely enjoy. I

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think you're right. I really, really liked this

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book. This was the first time I'd read it was

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for this episode and I really enjoyed it a lot

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and I'm glad you mentioned the little B story

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they got going on with the illustrations. I feel

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like the text is so simplistic and the... which

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isn't necessarily bad. Simple doesn't mean bad.

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It's just simple and that's fine. But... the

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illustrations were so vibrant and they were so

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they were telling so much of the story you could

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almost read it as just a wordless picture book

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and just skip all the text altogether and let

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the kids tell the story I really loved that that

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you could kind of I feel like you could pick

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either way if you wanted to read the text you

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totally could and you could tell one story and

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if you just want to skip that part and just let

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the kids tell the story you could do that too

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because there was it was just The illustrations

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did such a good job telling the story. So I loved

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it. It was a great choice. It was really entertaining.

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It was really funny. I liked it a lot. I agree.

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It was good. I'm happy that the Texas Library

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Association saw this book and said we need to

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have it on our list because it's really a good

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one. And I think, yeah, it's perfect for between

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two and second grade. definitely worth being

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on the Texas 2x2 list. They made a great choice.

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So for a makerspace activity to go along with

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this book, I would probably spend a little bit

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of money upfront. You can either go out and search

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for enough pinecones, but I'd probably just go

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to a craft store and buy a bunch of pinecones,

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because my time is more valuable to me than taking

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all the time to get enough pinecones the other

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way. but picking up some pine cones. Those sticker

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jewels, like the jewels that you can just peel

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off the plastic sheet and put onto things. Maybe

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if you're feeling daring, you could use some

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paint. I like the idea of adding some googly

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eyes and getting some stickers and markers. And

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the idea is to just let the kids decorate a pine

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cone. They can make it into an ornament or just

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a decoration of their own if you're doing it

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in the fall. it could be either or and just kind

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of having that as a cute little decoration because

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the girl uses the the pine cones throughout the

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home and at the end the girl and the dad kind

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of use strings of lights and stuff like that

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to light them up and put them all over the house

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so these kids couldn't take a pine cone that

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is not insect infested and decorate it and then

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it can be something that can be used in the house

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as an, like I said, as an ornament or as just

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a simple decoration, a reminder of the kids'

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artwork. And I think that's a fun way to kind

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of introduce the concept and the story and gives

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the kids a good way to make a connection with

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it. Yeah, I love that. That's a nice way to be

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like a little bit more creative with it, let

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the kids kind of explore their art. in a different

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way. That's a great idea. I especially like the

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idea of using the googly eyes and the stickers

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and all that. I'm not sure I would use, because

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I feel like with the paint, you'd have to use

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like temper paint. I think I would be scared

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of temper paint. Yeah, temper paint with little

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kids, probably not the best choice. But I love

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the markers. Yeah, I mean maybe. I don't know.

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They could probably paint. They would just need

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a little bit more attention there. I usually

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use more like washable paints if I'm gonna paint.

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Yeah. Which does happen a lot. I do paint a lot.

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It's true. But I love it. That's a great plan.

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This week for our Library of Littles management

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tip, we're going to talk about engagement. It's

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really important that when our younger students

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come into the library that we keep them engaged

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for multiple reasons. It helps them to stay focused,

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it eliminates some of those behaviors that we're

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trying to minimize, and it makes for a more enjoyable

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trip to the library in general. So there's lots

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of different things that we can do. for engagement

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with our students. One of them is that we do

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usually include some makerspace activities so

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the students aren't sitting the whole time. We

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can include things like incorporating dances

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or incorporating movement with our books. One

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thing that I really love to do is I like to use

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voices to voice the different characters so I

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have different voices that I can pull out and

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do for different books and those are all different

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ways that you can keep the students engaged because

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if you have those silly voices or if you get

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them up and moving acting out the different scenes

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from the books or just including a time where

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they can get up and move around and do a dance

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you know those are some great ways to engage

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the students. Do you have anything to add to

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that? Do you have any other ideas of what you

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do? I'm sure you do them. It's just taking the

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second to sit. Yeah. I think with respect to

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engagement, the things that I do that are most

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important, I think there's a lot, but the Critical

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ones I would say are having the familiar routine

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making sure I just I always start with that Storytime

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song and then I read a book and then we do some

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kind of activity together and that familiarity

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I think helps with engagement because the kids

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are know what to expect so there's less anxiety

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and they're more willing to participate because

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they know what's coming next. They know they're

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not going to be stuck in a particular place for

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too long. And that's the another big piece of

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it is not being stuck in a place for too long.

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Our younger learners really need to move like

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a lot, like a lot, a lot, a lot. So when they

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come into the library, we do start with our story

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time song. And that's only like 30 seconds or

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so, but I do try and make sure that we don't

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read we're not too still on the carpet for more

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than my goal is to Keep it around seven or eight

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minutes together on the carpet when we're like

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still and need to focus Sometimes I'll go up

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to ten minutes, but that's that's like my absolute

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max I just they they just can't sit much longer

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than that and then after that I make sure that

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they, we usually do go to makerspace. I usually

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have something set up for makerspace, not usually,

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always. I always have something set up for makerspace

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so that we can kind of move to a different part

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of the room so they can move their bodies in

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that way because they just have to walk and then

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they can move freely throughout makerspace and

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kind of be a little bit more creative in there

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and that time kind of gives helps them activate

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their little brain so that they can stay focused

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a little bit better so yeah other than that I

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think using when I'm actually reading and having

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um engagement during the actual reading time

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though I think like you said using those silly

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voices whenever I can I'm not gonna lie I'm not

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the best with like making specific voices for

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specific characters But I think I do change my

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voice a lot when I'm reading, and I am pretty

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expressive. And that helps a lot. Yeah. Yeah,

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I think those are the most important ones for

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me. And then the only other one that I can really

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think of is asking open -ended questions to go

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along with the story. So like if something happens,

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you know, asking some of those open -ended questions,

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getting some dialogue going, giving the students

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a chance to share some of their ideas as well.

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Because, you know, we... I joke around a lot

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with my students that I get a lot of really off

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-the -wall comments and stuff when I'm reading.

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But if you ask a true open -ended question, nine

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out of ten times the kids are paying attention

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and they will engage with you and give you some

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realistic answers. And I've actually had a lot

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of kids point out things during books that I'm

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like, oh, I didn't even see that or notice that.

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Kids see things in different ways, and so giving

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them that opportunity to Express some of their

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ideas is also a great way to do it You just kind

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of have to make sure that you can Rain it in

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so that you can keep going with the story as

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well But giving them that opportunity and taking

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one or two answers to a question At a time and

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just that's a good way to add some engagement

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also Yeah, yeah it is All right for our next

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book today that was on our two by two list we're

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gonna talk about Millie Floor's Poison Garden.

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It was published by Orchard Books, which is an

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imprint of Scholastic in 2024, and the author

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and illustrator of this book is Christy Mandan.

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This book is on the Colorado Children's Book

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Award list for 2026, the Kentucky Bluegrass Award

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for 2026, Texas 2x2 for 2025, naturally, Utah

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Beehive Award, 2026, It got the Anna Dudney Read

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Together Honor Book for 2025 and the ALSC Notable

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Children's Book Commended 2025. And Christy Mandon

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grew up an only child in rural Georgia. She credits

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her love of books and nature to the solitude

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she experienced as a child. Her hobbies include

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quilting, gardening, and bookkeeping. I'm sorry

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beekeeping. She currently lives in Georgia with

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her husband and four children. So going from

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being an only child to having four kids, that's,

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wow. That's a choice. That's a choice. Yeah.

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Some of her other books are Lucky, which was

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published in 2022. The Storytellers Rule, which

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was published in 2023. And then she's got two

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books coming up this year. Millie Floor Saves

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the Night is coming in summer 2025 and Bittersweet,

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which will be published in fall of 2025. So for

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this book, Millie Floor moves to Garden Glen

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with her family and everything in the town is

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cookie cutter perfection except for their house.

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Feeling lonely and out of place, Millie's mother

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cheers her up by giving her seeds from her garden

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back home. Millie plants them and grows a unique

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garden different from anything else that's ever

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been in the town before. At first, the townspeople

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are outraged by the plants, noting all their

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differences, making signs, protesting what they

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call the poison garden without actually taking

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the time to see the garden. Millie invites everyone

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to the garden to show them that although her

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garden is different from the others, it has its

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own charm and value. I thought this was a really

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sweet story. It kind of celebrates diversity

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without directly celebrating diversity, I guess,

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which I think is it was a kind of nice subtle

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way to kind of introduce that to our younger

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learners. I really liked the colors. in the book

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they were all kind of muted and kind of had an

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Adams family kind of vibe it was like kind of

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I think it would be appropriate to read it during

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like the Halloween season leading up to it it

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was like kind of a little bit different a little

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bit creepy but not like outright scary which

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is kind of perfect for our three fours and fives

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the it was everything within it was kind of it

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was a little bit unique a little bit different

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without being too different it kind of if that

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makes sense hmm how to phrase that a little bit

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better let me think it was still like some of

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the plants and stuff just had like it looked

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like normal plants but then they had little stripes

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on them and stuff like that so it was like it

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was familiar but different if that makes sense

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so I loved that it was in the end everybody ended

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up accepting Millie Fleur and she kind of changed

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the town for the better and they ended up kind

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of incorporating some of her different kind of

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plants in the rest of the town so it kind of

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had that that wonderful message of you know different

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isn't necessarily bad so yeah I thought it was

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great I think this one I would give I might give

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it a five out of five I don't know I liked it

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a lot. I think it was really engaging. It was

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a little bit longer. So it might be better for

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maybe not three year olds, but it was good. I

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enjoyed it. I agree. I liked the story a lot.

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It was really cute. And yeah, it did have that

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kind of vibe. Like all the colors are like those

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whites and blacks and grays and, but the, and

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the, the plants. With their like tentacles or

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like the random eyes and teeth and like they

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were just I thought they were kind of just more

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cute than anything else. I don't know they're

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Like you like you said like Adams Adams family

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ish like Wednesday kind of vibes, but yeah, you

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know in a Pre -k friendly way. It was that's

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a good way to describe it I was trying to say

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and I couldn't figure out how to say it but yes

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And yeah, so this is really cool and I love the

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message of you know not everybody's the same

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and that's okay and that we can be accepting

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of differences and I it was just it you're right

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it was a very sweet story it was cute and I think

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that our our audience of pre -k students will

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find it enjoyable it was a little bit longer

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but like you said as if you did it with like

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four and five year olds I think it would be a

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reasonable book to do with them and they would

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get uh they'd be able to enjoy it and yeah I

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think it's a really good story yeah for our makerspace

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activity really you could do anything gardening

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related if you're doing any kind of outdoorsy

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kind of unit you could tie it in there but i

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was thinking it would be fun to make your own

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poison garden plant you could just die cut a

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whole lot of leaves most schools have a die cut

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readily available and it's not too difficult

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to get a whole lot of die cuts going and then

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give the kids maybe between two and four leaves

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because lord knows some of the kids will just

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get like 20 leaves and do nothing else but just

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as long as they had you know not not just one

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but maybe between two and maybe five leaves glue

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them on the construction paper and then let them

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draw the rest of the plant on the paper to kind

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of make their own unique kind of like they saw

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it in the story. So kind of encourage them to

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be a little bit more creative with it and give

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them something a little bit different. Our kids

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love it when they get really anything out of

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the ordinary to do any kind of art with. So I

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thought that would be a really easy fun way to

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kind of make it a little bit different, but still

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it's familiar enough that they could do it independently

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and quickly. I like that idea and something that

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came to mind when I was reading through this

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and thinking about this idea is that a lot of

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times you'll have construction paper that has

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been like out and in this in the either the sunlight

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or in the fluorescent light and it's kind of

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faded and so I think that would actually like

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using that paper yeah kind of like the color

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has kind of been muted because it's been bleached

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by the light a little bit with the theme of this

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book and the art style of this book having like

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some of those muted colors that are kind of sun

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bleached a little bit for the kids to use as

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the background construction paper would be kind

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of cool. So if you've had that happen and have

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some of that sitting around that would be kind

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of a cool way to add to the effect of it compared

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to like to compare it with the book. That's a

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great idea, because I usually end up with a lot

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of paper like that, unfortunately. I'm sure that

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happens a lot, where you just kind of forget

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about it and you don't use it for a little bit.

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And then I don't want to use it because it looks

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kind of bleh. Right. But this would be a great

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opportunity for that. Good call. So, yeah, I

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just think that, like, especially, you know,

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because it's so hard to store construction paper

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so that it is out of the light, and so it's,

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and so, like, it happens, and so... It's a great

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way to use that and then it's not being wasted

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somewhere else and it just kind of adds to the

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effect for the kids. Yeah. Love it. Good idea.

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Yeah. I think these are two really good books.

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I think that they like, we talked about this,

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we just happened to both decide to pick two books

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about kind of plant stuff and it just kind of

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works. We're just, but these books both are great

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books. I think the Text Library Association did

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a great job picking. these books for their list

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because they're wonderful. They did. They're

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great. All right, well thank you all for joining

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