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Hello and welcome back to Real Talk with Rayne.

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I'm back once again with Gabe. That's me. Hello.

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Gabe is our regular co -host because that's just

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how it is now. At this point, I should have my

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name on the podcast. You really should. You really

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should. I'll get right on that. I'll group brand

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and everything. It'll be fine. Oh, thanks. Nobody

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cares. Anyway, it's all good. We only get like

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20. Oh, 20 whole people listening to my voice.

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Oh, my God. That's crazy. It's like a room full

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of people. It is. I'm talking to a room full

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of people right now and I don't know how I feel

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about that. It's all good. They adore you, I'm

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sure. Leave a like below if you adore Gabe and

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think his voice is adorable. If you don't, leave

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a comment about it so I can read it and internalize

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it forever. Don't leave comments that'll make

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Gabe spiral. Don't do that. No, do it for the

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engagement. Do it. You know what? I dare you.

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I dare you to leave mean comments about me. I

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won't read them, but I want you to leave them

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there. All right. Okay. You know what? We're

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causing drama on purpose. Oh, that's a perfect

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segue into our conversation today. The topic

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is drama channels. So we both have quite a few

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opinions about drama channels and in my honest

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opinion, I think they're extremely toxic and

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not good for people's mental health and I mean

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because we're talking about drama channels that

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make money off of the profiting off of people's

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You know misfortune and I just yeah. Yeah, like

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content farms where they just like constantly

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have updates around a certain situation that's

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not even... It's obsessive. It's creepy, it's

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obsessive, and it makes me cringe thinking about

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people watching anything that I do just to make

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a video about me. Do you have anything better

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to do with your life? Yeah. Anything productive

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to do with your life? Why are you so obsessed

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with this person? I understand some drama channels

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are like, you know, I won't say the names of

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people, but you know, I've seen a couple that

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are covering things like influencers that are

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pushing or like they're saying that they're pushing

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unhealthy lifestyles, but that content creator

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saying that they're not, but it's very clear

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that they need help. And then it's kind of like

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the gray area with that where But then again,

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if somebody is profiting off of like shock content

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or, you know, negative attention is still attention

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on the internet. So almost in a way you're enabling

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the behavior that you want to see stop. Absolutely.

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Yeah. Yeah. It's not helpful. So I don't, I don't,

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I don't know. I think there's a whole like ethical

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dilemma that goes into it too, or like, you don't

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know this person. Why are you? obsessed with

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commenting on their life and everything that

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they do. Mm -hmm. I was definitely like a watcher

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of some drama channels like years ago, but it

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was like, you know, it was like Big T drama where

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it's like the the I forget the name of it, but

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it was like the whole scandal with James Charles,

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Tati and Jeffree Star. What drama gathered or

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whatever? Yeah, like whatever that that was like

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fucking years ago, you know, yeah, but like I

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you know, like I would watch that because i'm

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just like, oh i'm so nosy But I also feel like

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it's also the fact of like it's not my area As

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well, like I wasn't into beauty youtubers. I

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wasn't into the beauty scene I didn't have any

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strong opinions on uh, james charles tati or

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um jeffree star before the drama came out but

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like I think that's like why so many people are

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interested in drama channels is because they

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either have a huge stick in the game or they

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don't have a stick in the game or it's just like

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oh I just want drama for drama's sake because

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I'm a nosy little bitch and I just want to know

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what the hell is going down in like another part

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of the internet like I'm not into Minecraft YouTubers

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but I know all the I know most of the Minecraft

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drama Not anymore because it's like it's it's

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over and done with and I have a short -term memory

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but like Like I feel like a lot of people watch

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drama videos and go like oh my god, that's insane

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Anyway back to my taxes, you know, like it's

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not Yeah, but you're not even getting that person's

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side either like the person's actually yeah,

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you know being made There's a content creator

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that I've seen many a times crazy K adorable

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adorable has been a writer for a while does cosplays

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as I believe she uses she her pronouns I hope

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that I'm not incorrect but I believe that she

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uses she her pronouns she she's been doing a

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lot of really cool like character makeup and

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she gets a lot of hate and for people that are

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just like for no reason like And there was, I

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guess, one time where I didn't even really, I

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don't even remember the whole thing that went

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down, but somebody made a video on her and we're

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saying that, like, she doesn't care about her

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viewers' mental health. They're like, she's profiting

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off of, like, making videos about mental health.

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And then Kay responded to that, just being like,

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are you serious? Like... Yeah. So if I talk about

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my mental health, I'm profiting off of mental

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health and, like, exploiting mental... No. Like...

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people can't even be genuine anymore without

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somebody being like, I don't like that, or I

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feel like I can twist that into my narrative

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and make profit, which is gross. To me like and

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it like I feel like it also feeds into like the

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topic We've talked about previously where it's

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just like people want to nitpick people that

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they don't like Just so that way they have a

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reason to hate on them or dox them or XYZ do

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a call -out post do a drama video And it's like

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Because again as someone who you know had enjoyed

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the that kind of content as like background noise

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when I did art Um, it's like Like it's one and

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done for me because it's not my business i'm

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not involved but i'm sure the people who are

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either being called out for nitpicks, yeah, or

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As are being exposed are genuinely fucking hurt

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about this or are being genuinely like affected

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Where it's just like now their real lives will

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never be the same because of an internet call

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-out video It's not even being cognizant of the

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fact that that person has feelings and has a

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side to it too. And it's just like people that

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see drama videos immediately jump on the person

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that's being reported on and don't even bother

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thinking about their side or what they might

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be going through or how it might be affecting

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them. They just believe blindly what they're

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seeing from this person where a lot of times

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the person that you're hearing like shit from

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is the problem. and is twisting the narrative

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because the person that doesn't respond is like

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I'm trying to just like do my life and like live

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my life but like it's just to me I don't understand

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why the internet feels so entitled to everybody

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else's life just because you put your life on

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the internet people say all the time well you

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put your life on the internet with so you want

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people to see it that still ethically doesn't

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mean that you have a right to then harass and

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obsess and stalk that person for your own personal

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gain. Like whatever happened to being a community

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of people or having, you know, any kind of emotional

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intelligence to be like, oh, that sounds bad.

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Maybe I should do my own research, talk to the

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person, or maybe I can talk to people that are

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close to that person. Why are you believing some

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random person on the internet that's doing drama

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channels on somebody who doesn't even know the

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person? You really want tea? Go to the people

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that they know. That if you don't get tea, there

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you go. People aren't allowed to just exist anymore

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and put themselves out there to be seen with

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how people that are upset or jealous of them

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immediately jumping on them for something. You

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know bring them down, which is a horrible mindset

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to have Yeah, and again you can dislike someone

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you can not get on with someone and still like

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treat them with respect right you don't have

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to Call out every little mistake or even just

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like make a reason to hate somebody Because it's

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just like because if anything you're just grasping

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at straws in order to make yourself feel better

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about not liking someone i'm going to give you

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to anyone listening i am going to give you the

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explicit permission to not like someone for no

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reason you're allowed okay yeah it's your god

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-given right to hate people i stand by that like

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you can just you can just not like people and

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it doesn't have to be any specific reason you

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can just be like i don't i don't like their vibe

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and it's like that's fine yeah or Or it's like,

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you know what? They kind of have the mannerisms

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of something I don't like or they even just them

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existing next to me is really like messing with

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my Like it's overstimulating me that's fine.

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You can you can set you can experience that And

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still be polite to that person, you know, like

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you don't have to Straight up be like, okay now

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i'm going to look into their past Yeah, and try

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to come up with a reason, a real reason to hate

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them. Like, oh, they must destroy them. Like,

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yeah, what you need to go to therapy like that.

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So that's a lot, boo. That is a lot for you to

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just get upset over somebody you don't even know

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and want to destroy their life. Like if the tables

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were turned, you'd be like, why is this happening

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to me? Like. There's no emotional intelligence

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in that. Yeah, there's no empathy like there's

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no weight. Would I how would I feel if somebody

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was doing this to me? Yeah So it's not yeah not

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to also mention is like a lot of these early

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callouts that I've at least I've been witness

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to or like towards people in like the early 20s,

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right? It's either doing the callouts or being

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called out for their actions. Right. And as someone

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who's frontal lobe just like developed this past

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year. Right. I could say with absolute certainty

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that I am not going to like fully judge a person

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for what they did. You know in their early 20s.

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It's like the argument of like oh, but they're

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an adult and it's like, okay, but No one wakes

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up on their 18th birthday and know exactly what

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the fuck they're doing Okay, not yeah, they're

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an adult but that doesn't mean they're mature.

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No, it doesn't because and even if at 25 I'll

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give like some like brace with maturity is definitely

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like a thing like Obviously when you get older

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you're supposed to be knowing better, but there's

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also like the idea of like people mature at different

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rates depending on their environment depending

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on Whether or not they actually were able to

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socialize as a child And experience other people

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if your only viewpoint of the world is your small

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house small -ass town in the middle of bumfuck

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any state You're not gonna know exactly how it

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feels or how to talk to someone who's completely

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different than you. And so you're, I feel like

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you're giving, you're allowed to give people

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the grace to learn and to understand that they

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are learning. This isn't to say, this isn't to

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give an excuse, obviously, to people who are

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like genuine assholes, but you kind of also have

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to understand that if you're unable to tell this

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person to their face, like, hey, what you said,

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kind of was a bitch move, um, then that's a problem

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on their part as a character, you know, like

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the person offending you. Cause it's like, cause

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if you're not open and you're not showing that

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you're open to critique or to growth, you're

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going to stay stunting, stunted forever. And

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it's like, yeah, you know, and, and like, I'm

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not saying drama, like drama videos don't help

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that. at all. Like, there's no way that you could

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be like, you could post a very public video to

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call out on someone and then expect that person

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to take it well and to grow from that. Like,

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some content creators do, and that's great for

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them. I'm glad they were able to grow. Sorry,

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my cats are fighting. I don't know if you can

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hear that. I'm on a podcast. Get off the couch.

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Oh, God, I lost my thought. All right. So some

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content creators are able to know it's fine.

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It was the cat's fault. But sometimes like some

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content creators are able to grow from that call

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out. And that's great for them. I'm glad that

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they are able to mentally handle that. Yeah,

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but. Being publicly shamed, because that's what

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this is. You're being publicly shamed. Like millions

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of people too. Like we're talking like big influencers.

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Potentially millions of people. And like for

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like little nitpicks of things. Or like... bigger

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mistakes where it's just like maybe you had bad

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business practices and you you accidentally like

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stifled people's pay or you did you had a miscommunication

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and now your artist isn't being paid like i heard

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um i i follow um A youtuber called cat and chat

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and she does a lot of like art and vtuber Drama

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content in the realm of like beware of like scammers

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and stuff like that. Yeah, but in some cases

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the people doing the call -out are more like

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exposing the fact that this artist who is Has

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a chronic illness Doesn't type fast enough and

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it's like okay. That's not really a call -out.

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Yeah, just you know so but like That's not that's

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a shame that that kind of post that kind of call

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out is to shame the artist And to quote unquote

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doing better when really you are guilt tripping

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a person who is chronically ill into feeling

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guilty about being ill You know like um, you

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are not helping that artist gain accountability

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Um in some cases you could be if that person

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genuinely was someone who had bad management.

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I was definitely someone who uh did not do commissions

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well when I was like 23 because I Did not know

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how to time manage and so I would leave people

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I would ghost people. Yeah Like while I was being

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paid, but right I would definitely like stall

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for sure But like Like that's not reason enough

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to cancel an artist forever or right to like

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if that helps like if Public shaming helps them

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become more aware of the fact that like their

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time management sucks and they should fix that.

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I still don't like the method, but I'm glad he

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was able to grow or whatever. But. But I feel

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like they would have grown anyway. I feel like

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they would have gone anyway without the public

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shame. Like why are you so entitled to think

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that you will change this person? If this person

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is a shitty ass person like you claim, they're

00:17:05.579 --> 00:17:08.269
going to continue being that way. If there's

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somebody who wants to be better and wants to

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grow, it's gonna happen in their real life when

00:17:14.190 --> 00:17:16.470
karma kicks them in the ass. And they're like,

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Oh, now I'm at a crossroads. And now I need to

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figure out whether I want to be better or stay

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on this path. And I can either stop what I'm

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doing, switch things around, rethink and go forward

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and be better. Or I can just be like, eh, fuck

00:17:32.470 --> 00:17:33.950
you. I don't care. Like, I'm gonna just keep

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doing what I do. And either way, like, That's

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going to happen offline. That's not going to

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happen online. Like you doing that is it might,

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you might think it helps, but a lot of times

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these influencers don't even, may not even see

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what you're saying, depending on how big they

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are and, or don't care. Or like they're, you

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know, some influencers that are constantly clapping

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back. I'm like, you don't need to prove yourself

00:18:01.559 --> 00:18:05.420
to anybody, babe. Like. Yeah. Why are you, you

00:18:05.420 --> 00:18:06.859
don't need to prove yourself. You don't need

00:18:06.859 --> 00:18:09.960
to explain yourself. What you need to do is if

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you feel like they have a point in their call

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out, don't let that be like detrimental to you

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as a person because you need to, you need to

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learn for yourself. Like these people don't know

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you. They have no clue what you're going through.

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And even some of the people that do know they

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will conveniently leave out things that would

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make more sense on your behalf. to make them

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look better. And it's like, it just doesn't,

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it's so cruel to me and it's childish and immature

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and cruel that I watch these drama channels and

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they're like, Oh my God, guys, I'm such, I'm

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hot tea. And I'm like, did you work today? Or

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like was the tea that like you did a double shift

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and you're so tired, like that you did anything

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to contribute positively to society, or you sat

00:19:03.269 --> 00:19:05.990
behind your computer and were a high school bully

00:19:05.990 --> 00:19:10.970
to someone. Like, good for you? If that's what

00:19:10.970 --> 00:19:16.089
makes you happy? Like, tearing other people down

00:19:16.089 --> 00:19:20.269
and obsessing over their life and just obsessing

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and commenting on their life, if that means you

00:19:22.730 --> 00:19:25.890
feel better, I'm very concerned about your mental

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health and your state of being because you don't

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clearly have a life that is satisfactory enough

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to you to feel okay not doing that and not being

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somebody who craves constant attention from strangers

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on the internet. Like, we need to, and I think

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a lot of it's the younger generation being so

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chronically online that my dad, he's a pediatrician

00:19:52.460 --> 00:19:57.019
out of Arizona, and he's done a lot of conferences

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with like, the board and you know a lot of different

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places. I won't say names but he he's talked

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about it a lot and I think I might have mentioned

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it in a previous podcast but my memory is absolute

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garbage so but I know that he had mentioned having

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kids so he's a pediatrician so he sees kids up

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until I think they're like 18 and so they come

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into the office and they're just on their phones

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like they can't even look at him. And he's like,

00:20:26.890 --> 00:20:31.009
hi, I'm here, I exist. Like, are you going to

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be with me? And the family, like the mom or the

00:20:34.430 --> 00:20:37.670
caregiver, the caregiver is there answering for

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them while they're just brain dead on the fucking

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phone. And I'm like, you should be telling him

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what's wrong. You know, if you're old enough

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to, you know, and if you're able to express your

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symptoms. But he's talked a lot about in his

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field of study, that it is just, it's the rate

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of not only mental health decreasing, but the

00:21:06.019 --> 00:21:11.880
rate of people not making it out of it is, you

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know, I'm trying not to say the words, but people

00:21:14.839 --> 00:21:22.160
who can't handle that, that make a final decision

00:21:22.160 --> 00:21:27.369
that takes them away from us. because of something

00:21:27.369 --> 00:21:30.769
that happened on the internet. Yeah. And it's

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just so, that is so sad to me that it's not even

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just all young people, but it's mostly young

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people having like influencers to look at and

00:21:42.589 --> 00:21:46.029
unrealistic body images. It's just things like

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the internet has just become a way to make people

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feel worse about themselves. And by doing drama

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channels, you're not making the world a better

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place. You're making it. a more toxic place.

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Do something better for yourself. Talk about

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your journey, your mental health. Do something

00:22:04.380 --> 00:22:08.400
like that. I feel like that's good tea. I could

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go on a podcast. We could have episodes of talking

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about, we thought, whoa, what was that? Rethinking

00:22:15.940 --> 00:22:19.160
failure. We did that one where we talked a lot

00:22:19.160 --> 00:22:21.900
about how our failures shaped us into people.

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your call -outs are not going to be the catalyst

00:22:27.740 --> 00:22:30.759
for change in somebody. They're just not. No.

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Especially if they don't know you, we're all

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people on the internet and we're all pretty irrelevant

00:22:39.940 --> 00:22:43.319
when it comes to the internet, because the internet

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is a huge place. Even people who have millions

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of followers, you could ask somebody, especially

00:22:49.299 --> 00:22:51.160
people chronically offline, they're like, who?

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Yeah, they don't live their lives online so And

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it's it's better to like your mental health is

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so much better when you're not constantly online

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Yeah, I I completely Agree, especially like because

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I know that there's gonna be drama channels that

00:23:11.380 --> 00:23:13.700
argues like oh, well, I'm just I'm giving the

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news or something I'm giving like something important.

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Like if it's you know a scandal involving essay

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or Talking with people underaged in a very gross

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context And like that's fair. Like I understand

00:23:31.140 --> 00:23:35.059
wanting to give that News outlet, you know, like

00:23:35.059 --> 00:23:37.640
give that voice give that voice to those people.

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Yeah but in the same like vein is like a lot

00:23:43.519 --> 00:23:46.779
of these drama channels because there's not like

00:23:46.779 --> 00:23:51.660
a scandal like that Every week, you know, so

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they have to Keep pushing out content in order

00:23:55.259 --> 00:23:58.000
to get their fat, you know, their fat check from

00:23:58.000 --> 00:24:01.759
YouTube. Yep So they pick they they pick smaller

00:24:01.759 --> 00:24:06.000
crimes and I put crimes very loosely, you know

00:24:06.000 --> 00:24:08.460
Like it's not even really crime so much as like

00:24:08.460 --> 00:24:12.980
I knew like a nuisance or a nuance push just

00:24:12.980 --> 00:24:16.079
like Oh, this guy unfollowed this guy. So there

00:24:16.079 --> 00:24:18.579
must be some drama involved. And it's like, or

00:24:18.579 --> 00:24:21.720
maybe they just don't want to follow each other.

00:24:21.720 --> 00:24:24.000
I don't know. Like, it's like these all these

00:24:24.000 --> 00:24:29.680
social cues in social media is being used as

00:24:29.680 --> 00:24:32.359
evidence when really it could just be as simple

00:24:32.359 --> 00:24:35.660
as like, hey, we did a collab once that collabs

00:24:35.660 --> 00:24:38.960
over. You have your content. I have my content.

00:24:39.059 --> 00:24:41.480
I don't want it. You know, that's it. Why is

00:24:41.480 --> 00:24:44.740
it your business? Like why is it? Why is it your

00:24:44.740 --> 00:24:46.880
business? Why is it your business? Did they ask

00:24:46.880 --> 00:24:51.119
you to? Like call out somebody or did they yeah,

00:24:51.400 --> 00:24:54.519
why is their life your business? I don't understand

00:24:54.519 --> 00:24:57.019
like oh this person followed unfollowed this

00:24:57.019 --> 00:25:02.940
person. Okay Yeah, and lanes and that's like

00:25:02.940 --> 00:25:05.380
where the issue with drama channels come from

00:25:05.380 --> 00:25:08.720
is that they run out of news so they start like

00:25:08.720 --> 00:25:11.319
just picking up random stories like there's a

00:25:11.319 --> 00:25:16.559
reason why 24 hour news channels are so not.

00:25:17.859 --> 00:25:20.819
Very good with journalism that much yeah because

00:25:20.819 --> 00:25:23.660
it's just like you don't have news all the time

00:25:23.660 --> 00:25:26.740
you know you're there's not you know a crime

00:25:26.740 --> 00:25:29.460
happening every minute of the day that they need

00:25:29.460 --> 00:25:33.170
to report on sometimes. That's why you have like

00:25:33.170 --> 00:25:35.009
parts of the morning broadcast where it's like,

00:25:35.009 --> 00:25:38.109
oh, we tried a recipe or look at this dog we

00:25:38.109 --> 00:25:41.049
found, you know, like it's they have to like

00:25:41.049 --> 00:25:44.390
pad out the pieces with other stuff or just minor

00:25:44.390 --> 00:25:48.390
things where it's just like, yeah, so we heard

00:25:48.390 --> 00:25:50.549
a rumor once and it's like, OK, that's not good

00:25:50.549 --> 00:25:54.490
journalism. You're not you're. It just becomes

00:25:54.490 --> 00:25:57.250
bullying at one point. It does, yeah. It just

00:25:57.250 --> 00:25:59.369
becomes bullying, online bullying. You think

00:25:59.369 --> 00:26:01.529
you're helping but you're not. And it's like,

00:26:02.029 --> 00:26:03.789
I don't really understand what you get out of

00:26:03.789 --> 00:26:05.849
it if you're getting paid by YouTube, like great,

00:26:05.890 --> 00:26:09.309
but I don't know why you would feel happiness

00:26:09.309 --> 00:26:14.390
from hurting somebody and then getting paid to

00:26:14.390 --> 00:26:19.150
do it. For me, I can't even think about doing

00:26:19.150 --> 00:26:21.190
that. I don't feel like that's worth the money,

00:26:21.930 --> 00:26:24.799
like any money. That's it's not something that

00:26:24.799 --> 00:26:26.720
I would want to do. I don't want to make people

00:26:26.720 --> 00:26:30.420
feel bad about themselves. I already feel bad

00:26:30.420 --> 00:26:33.579
about myself enough. So like it's why am I doing

00:26:33.579 --> 00:26:37.779
it to someone else? Yeah, you know, and that

00:26:37.779 --> 00:26:40.000
creator then is like, well, now I don't know

00:26:40.000 --> 00:26:43.400
who I can trust. Now I don't know who actually

00:26:43.400 --> 00:26:45.940
supports me or if they're just watching me because

00:26:45.940 --> 00:26:48.940
they want to catch me slipping up or catch me

00:26:48.940 --> 00:26:50.960
saying something that they can misconstrue and

00:26:50.960 --> 00:26:54.369
twist around to profit them like. It's sick,

00:26:54.390 --> 00:26:57.549
and I don't like it. I wish that people were

00:26:57.549 --> 00:27:00.609
more cognizant of how their actions affect other

00:27:00.609 --> 00:27:04.849
people, but they're not because they don't care.

00:27:04.950 --> 00:27:08.750
There's a lack of empathy in the community, in

00:27:08.750 --> 00:27:13.630
all age groups. It's even in workplaces, too.

00:27:13.670 --> 00:27:15.410
It's not just the internet, but the internet

00:27:15.410 --> 00:27:20.130
is a huge hub for it, so it centralizes there.

00:27:20.349 --> 00:27:24.150
And it's also just the fact of, like, similar

00:27:24.150 --> 00:27:26.769
to how the saying goes, where it's just like,

00:27:26.809 --> 00:27:29.690
once you say something, you cannot take it back.

00:27:31.109 --> 00:27:34.150
It's like that, but you're amplifying it through

00:27:34.150 --> 00:27:39.650
the internet, you know? Like, I'm a huge advocate

00:27:39.650 --> 00:27:42.509
for, like, shit talking towards people when they

00:27:42.509 --> 00:27:45.130
can't hear you. Or they will never hear you.

00:27:45.230 --> 00:27:47.230
Because, like, sometimes you do need to vent.

00:27:47.309 --> 00:27:49.529
Sometimes you do need to vent about, like, coworkers.

00:27:50.279 --> 00:27:53.400
or you're like, oh, God, remember that X that

00:27:53.400 --> 00:27:56.420
one time and that's fine. You can talk shit all

00:27:56.420 --> 00:28:00.400
you want. But it's the when you put that shit

00:28:00.400 --> 00:28:04.359
on the Internet or those people that you don't

00:28:04.359 --> 00:28:08.980
even interact with anymore to see and their family

00:28:08.980 --> 00:28:13.640
to see. And it's like you are putting out into

00:28:13.640 --> 00:28:20.529
the world so much hatred that is now Basically

00:28:20.529 --> 00:28:23.970
out of your control. Yeah, it like you drop the

00:28:23.970 --> 00:28:26.569
pebble in the water and now the tsunami hit in

00:28:26.569 --> 00:28:31.410
the island is now you know, like it's Like you

00:28:31.410 --> 00:28:36.789
drop that pebble you Start you could affect someone

00:28:36.789 --> 00:28:41.690
so badly that they as you said leave the world.

00:28:41.769 --> 00:28:44.759
Okay, they They decide that they can't handle

00:28:44.759 --> 00:28:48.460
it anymore. And that's your fault because you

00:28:48.460 --> 00:28:52.319
decided to make a mole. Sorry. A mountain out

00:28:52.319 --> 00:28:56.920
of a molehill. Right. And yeah. Over something

00:28:56.920 --> 00:29:00.099
that you're not even a part of. Like you weren't

00:29:00.099 --> 00:29:04.220
in the trenches. You weren't the one like. You

00:29:04.220 --> 00:29:08.099
weren't the one that was being affected by it.

00:29:08.259 --> 00:29:12.390
You just heard about it. Right. You see it out

00:29:12.390 --> 00:29:15.710
of context, or you take someone complaining about

00:29:15.710 --> 00:29:19.349
them doing their job as an excuse to put out

00:29:19.349 --> 00:29:22.450
a video about how terrible their boss is. Yeah,

00:29:22.450 --> 00:29:25.029
okay. You're allowed to complain about work.

00:29:25.369 --> 00:29:27.650
You're allowed to complain about your boss. But

00:29:27.650 --> 00:29:31.690
the second someone takes what you say as like

00:29:31.690 --> 00:29:35.450
a complaint and decide to ruin your boss's life,

00:29:35.890 --> 00:29:38.890
that's a little, that's a little much. You know

00:29:38.890 --> 00:29:40.750
people have gotten like fired from their jobs

00:29:40.750 --> 00:29:43.009
and stuff because of internet stuff and it's

00:29:43.009 --> 00:29:46.309
exactly it's terrible like Yeah, you were going

00:29:46.309 --> 00:29:49.730
to sleep well at night. Like yeah, you know Like

00:29:49.730 --> 00:29:52.430
do you feel better now that you made this person

00:29:52.430 --> 00:29:59.230
want to harm themselves? homeless jobless Seeing

00:29:59.230 --> 00:30:01.970
no hope in the world taking away any creative

00:30:01.970 --> 00:30:05.329
freedom they had again over something that is

00:30:05.329 --> 00:30:12.390
so, so small. We're not talking about, um, assaulters.

00:30:12.450 --> 00:30:16.730
We're not talking about huge, like, literal crimes.

00:30:17.230 --> 00:30:21.589
We're talking about mistakes that drama channels

00:30:21.589 --> 00:30:26.349
like to amplify to be these huge fucking things

00:30:26.349 --> 00:30:30.789
when it's shit that was either done as an, like,

00:30:30.849 --> 00:30:34.109
it ended up badly because it was a mistake or

00:30:34.539 --> 00:30:37.700
It just didn't pan out the way they hoped or

00:30:37.700 --> 00:30:41.200
they just like They didn't know any better or

00:30:41.200 --> 00:30:43.920
just you know Like that was fucking ten years

00:30:43.920 --> 00:30:46.640
ago. You know like it's right. Why are you living

00:30:46.640 --> 00:30:49.420
in their past? It's their past to move forward

00:30:49.420 --> 00:30:55.000
from yeah, why are you? What's the word why are

00:30:55.000 --> 00:30:59.180
you punishing people for being? Uneducated in

00:30:59.180 --> 00:31:01.460
something like that's another thing. It's like

00:31:01.460 --> 00:31:06.539
yeah Or young and dumb, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, like,

00:31:06.680 --> 00:31:10.279
like, it's not like, God forbid, you know, like,

00:31:10.539 --> 00:31:13.619
I'll, I'll use me as an example. Yeah. I don't

00:31:13.619 --> 00:31:17.940
know jack shit about accounting. I barely know

00:31:17.940 --> 00:31:23.220
how to use Excel. Same. Thank you. Even though

00:31:23.220 --> 00:31:26.880
it's confusing. It is confusing. I don't understand

00:31:26.880 --> 00:31:32.019
the formulas. Anyway, but point being. And I

00:31:32.019 --> 00:31:34.559
try to be like, and you guys need an account,

00:31:35.140 --> 00:31:37.039
say, for example, like someone needs an account,

00:31:37.380 --> 00:31:40.519
be like, well, I know enough and we're friends,

00:31:40.779 --> 00:31:43.880
so I'll help you out. And then, you know, I do

00:31:43.880 --> 00:31:47.920
the job and then, you know, oh, now we have to

00:31:47.920 --> 00:31:49.759
pay ten thousand dollars out of pocket because

00:31:49.759 --> 00:31:53.700
I did the taxes wrong. Right. Like that's a huge

00:31:53.700 --> 00:31:56.039
oopsie on my part. You know, like that's paying

00:31:56.039 --> 00:32:01.289
fucking thousand dollars. But like. And I should

00:32:01.289 --> 00:32:04.150
be fired as your fucking accountant, but that

00:32:04.150 --> 00:32:07.069
doesn't mean that I should be homeless jobless

00:32:07.069 --> 00:32:10.990
and harassed Right, right. Those are the mistakes.

00:32:10.990 --> 00:32:13.609
We're referring to is stuff where it's just like

00:32:13.609 --> 00:32:18.529
yeah, you were kind of incompetent, but You're

00:32:18.529 --> 00:32:22.730
not you shouldn't like Be put to death on a spike

00:32:22.730 --> 00:32:25.670
and burned and then thrown into the river and

00:32:25.670 --> 00:32:30.849
drowned like it's not The worst thing that happened

00:32:30.849 --> 00:32:34.730
was like, okay, there's 10 K or. And it's just

00:32:34.730 --> 00:32:37.230
like, all right, we got it, you know, the worst

00:32:37.230 --> 00:32:39.430
case that happens, it's like it's still my fault.

00:32:39.589 --> 00:32:42.250
I still have to like in this example, I would

00:32:42.250 --> 00:32:44.750
still have to pay the ten thousand dollars or

00:32:44.750 --> 00:32:48.130
whatever. And that would be like my punishment

00:32:48.130 --> 00:32:52.049
was to pay that back or something. But like and

00:32:52.049 --> 00:32:56.650
lose my job. But right. That should be it. No

00:32:56.650 --> 00:32:59.309
one should be going onto the Internet. and being

00:32:59.309 --> 00:33:02.130
like, guys, don't hire this guy as an accountant.

00:33:03.329 --> 00:33:06.289
It's not your business either. Yeah. And it's

00:33:06.289 --> 00:33:08.890
like, I don't work with him ever because he's

00:33:08.890 --> 00:33:10.789
actually super incompetent all the time. And

00:33:10.789 --> 00:33:14.210
it's like, no, dude, I just I do it to kind of

00:33:14.210 --> 00:33:16.269
help. But I knew a little bit more about Excel

00:33:16.269 --> 00:33:18.529
than everyone else in the room. Like, it's not.

00:33:20.430 --> 00:33:23.390
Like, God forbid I had the dream to be an accountant,

00:33:23.589 --> 00:33:26.150
God damn it. You know, like. Well, it's also

00:33:26.150 --> 00:33:27.910
just like people that want to grow from their

00:33:27.910 --> 00:33:31.009
mistakes. I feel like yeah, they can't because

00:33:31.009 --> 00:33:33.849
when it's painted that way, like they can offline.

00:33:33.950 --> 00:33:36.130
I'm not saying they can't. That's bad choice

00:33:36.130 --> 00:33:40.069
of words. But but when you have stuff like that

00:33:40.069 --> 00:33:43.809
words lives on the Internet forever, like you

00:33:43.809 --> 00:33:45.950
might grow up and look back on that video and

00:33:45.950 --> 00:33:49.970
be like, oh shit, like I. Maybe you made up with

00:33:49.970 --> 00:33:52.410
that person Maybe something happened where you

00:33:52.410 --> 00:33:54.509
saw that person grow from their experience like

00:33:54.509 --> 00:33:58.690
maybe you yourself matured and had You know have

00:33:58.690 --> 00:34:01.650
been reflecting and gone on a self -help journey

00:34:01.650 --> 00:34:04.309
and you know, you're starting to mature as a

00:34:04.309 --> 00:34:06.890
person You're like I can't take that back now

00:34:06.890 --> 00:34:10.010
Yeah, because now that's out there forever and

00:34:10.010 --> 00:34:13.010
it's showing me being toxic towards this person

00:34:13.469 --> 00:34:15.889
Do you realize it's also going to come back on

00:34:15.889 --> 00:34:18.070
you? It's not necessarily always going to come

00:34:18.070 --> 00:34:21.670
back on the person that you're reporting on.

00:34:21.889 --> 00:34:24.309
It's going to come back on you too because people

00:34:24.309 --> 00:34:28.889
that truly think for themselves and are emotionally

00:34:28.889 --> 00:34:32.210
intelligent, they will look into something and

00:34:32.210 --> 00:34:35.690
they'll be like, okay, that's one side. I'm going

00:34:35.690 --> 00:34:37.989
to see what this other side is, or I'm just going

00:34:37.989 --> 00:34:40.889
to make my own educated opinion whether I want

00:34:40.889 --> 00:34:45.000
to even be involved with either of these people

00:34:45.000 --> 00:34:48.920
and move on with my life. Most people don't care,

00:34:49.179 --> 00:34:53.539
so they're just like, okay, whatever. But in

00:34:53.539 --> 00:34:57.519
my own conscience, I wouldn't want to have something

00:34:57.519 --> 00:35:00.760
out there myself where I was tearing down somebody

00:35:00.760 --> 00:35:05.659
else and then later on, I'm seeing them do better.

00:35:05.900 --> 00:35:08.480
I would rather be like, okay, behind the scenes,

00:35:08.639 --> 00:35:11.159
I don't like what you did. I'm not going to associate

00:35:11.159 --> 00:35:13.639
with you anymore. That should be punishment enough.

00:35:13.860 --> 00:35:17.320
They're losing people that they associate with.

00:35:17.699 --> 00:35:19.840
You don't need to be the person that comes in

00:35:19.840 --> 00:35:23.780
and goes all like, oh, we're going to start an

00:35:23.780 --> 00:35:25.619
army and everyone's going to hate on this person

00:35:25.619 --> 00:35:29.420
now, even if they didn't even talk to them. It's

00:35:29.420 --> 00:35:33.400
a very much like a bully and gang up on people

00:35:33.400 --> 00:35:37.059
mindset, which is just really, really childish.

00:35:37.780 --> 00:35:42.369
And it makes you to people like myself who I

00:35:42.369 --> 00:35:44.409
wouldn't say I'm super emotionally intelligent.

00:35:44.610 --> 00:35:46.449
I'm getting there. I'm working on myself. But

00:35:46.449 --> 00:35:49.690
like, I am getting to the point where like, when

00:35:49.690 --> 00:35:53.150
I see drama channels, I'm like, I don't have

00:35:53.150 --> 00:35:55.030
any interest. Whereas like, when I was younger,

00:35:55.030 --> 00:35:57.670
I'd be like, okay, maybe I'll look. Maybe I'll

00:35:57.670 --> 00:36:00.289
see the tea. And it could just be, you know,

00:36:00.289 --> 00:36:04.090
I'm 33 now, and I'm just have no interest because

00:36:04.090 --> 00:36:07.130
I'm busy working and I'm busy living my life

00:36:07.130 --> 00:36:09.710
with my wife and, you know, trying to pay bills

00:36:09.710 --> 00:36:13.320
and living in the moment. But And then I looked

00:36:13.320 --> 00:36:15.760
on these things and I'm like, especially the

00:36:15.760 --> 00:36:19.239
titles and like the headlines that they put to

00:36:19.239 --> 00:36:22.219
get clicks, even if it's click bait, it's just,

00:36:22.820 --> 00:36:25.420
or people use thumbnails of somebody who isn't

00:36:25.420 --> 00:36:29.059
even involved. Yeah. And then it's like their

00:36:29.059 --> 00:36:31.219
pictures there. And then that person gets harassed,

00:36:31.260 --> 00:36:32.980
even though they were not even involved. It just

00:36:32.980 --> 00:36:35.059
was somebody else that like looked like a good

00:36:35.059 --> 00:36:42.650
thumbnail. Like, what are you doing? It's ridiculous.

00:36:43.510 --> 00:36:46.909
Like, I don't understand how you don't think

00:36:46.909 --> 00:36:50.829
that that makes you look bad. Yeah. Like really

00:36:50.829 --> 00:36:53.869
think about that for a second. Really think about

00:36:53.869 --> 00:36:57.710
what am I doing here? Am I being a positive influence

00:36:57.710 --> 00:37:00.230
on the world and the people that I interact with?

00:37:00.630 --> 00:37:04.190
Or am I being a bully just because I can? And

00:37:04.190 --> 00:37:07.690
just because I think that I'm entitled and I

00:37:07.690 --> 00:37:10.550
can make other people hate this person because

00:37:10.550 --> 00:37:14.110
I do and I want to feel validated. And I want

00:37:14.110 --> 00:37:17.510
to feel like I'm leading something. Like, you're

00:37:17.510 --> 00:37:22.510
not though. You're not. You're being somebody

00:37:22.510 --> 00:37:25.389
who no one should aspire to be because you are

00:37:25.389 --> 00:37:29.489
not a very nice person. If this is what you get

00:37:29.489 --> 00:37:31.730
your kicks off of. You know, like if you get

00:37:31.730 --> 00:37:35.789
your kicks by hurting others, that's a serious

00:37:35.789 --> 00:37:41.090
problem. You know, it's like you said, it's stuff

00:37:41.090 --> 00:37:44.130
that's, you know, things that people get called

00:37:44.130 --> 00:37:45.750
out for. We're not talking about things that

00:37:45.750 --> 00:37:48.389
should actually be like tried and, you know,

00:37:48.389 --> 00:37:50.929
yeah, you know, put in jail for stuff like people

00:37:50.929 --> 00:37:54.250
have been, but it's, you know, I think the internet

00:37:54.250 --> 00:37:59.570
just is so entitled and so almost like feeling

00:37:59.570 --> 00:38:01.829
people are spoiled a little bit on the internet

00:38:01.829 --> 00:38:06.889
because they it's so easy. To twist a narrative

00:38:06.889 --> 00:38:09.230
to have people then be like, oh my god Yeah,

00:38:09.230 --> 00:38:11.610
like we should all jump on the hate wagon like

00:38:11.610 --> 00:38:15.750
and then I see people still though I do see people

00:38:15.750 --> 00:38:17.949
on the internet who will comment and be like,

00:38:18.329 --> 00:38:20.210
oh, well, what about this? They're like, let's

00:38:20.210 --> 00:38:22.210
think about it this way and they all get like

00:38:22.210 --> 00:38:26.289
hated on because they're trying to Be emotionally

00:38:26.289 --> 00:38:28.190
intelligent about it and be like, well, maybe

00:38:28.190 --> 00:38:30.170
we should think about this from the other person's

00:38:30.170 --> 00:38:33.769
point of it No, that gets buried. Yeah, like

00:38:33.949 --> 00:38:36.130
just with people being like, no, no, no, no,

00:38:36.130 --> 00:38:38.349
no, no, you're either with us or against us.

00:38:38.869 --> 00:38:43.989
Like, yeah, no. That's not how that's not how

00:38:43.989 --> 00:38:46.409
you should be thinking as an adult. As an adult,

00:38:46.489 --> 00:38:50.190
you should be thinking. Does this person know

00:38:50.190 --> 00:38:52.650
this person? Like, is this act? Is this a real

00:38:52.650 --> 00:38:56.190
thing? Like, why are we involved if it's something

00:38:56.190 --> 00:39:00.469
so serious like their community and their family

00:39:00.469 --> 00:39:02.090
and people that know them need to get involved?

00:39:02.510 --> 00:39:06.389
Like, If you're just doing drama to do drama

00:39:06.389 --> 00:39:09.849
and to try to stir the pot, like it just really,

00:39:10.789 --> 00:39:13.389
I don't know. It just, it makes me sad for the

00:39:13.389 --> 00:39:16.030
people, both of them really, because it makes

00:39:16.030 --> 00:39:18.789
me sad thinking about the person that clearly

00:39:18.789 --> 00:39:21.429
has nothing better to do than to tear other people

00:39:21.429 --> 00:39:24.030
down and try to make them feel bad about themselves

00:39:24.030 --> 00:39:27.329
so that they can profit off of that. That's terrible.

00:39:27.829 --> 00:39:30.650
And then I feel bad for the people who are being

00:39:30.650 --> 00:39:36.889
harassed and reported on because they can say

00:39:36.889 --> 00:39:39.070
whatever they want back or they can respond to

00:39:39.070 --> 00:39:41.090
it. But then it's just going to be the people

00:39:41.090 --> 00:39:44.269
that have already watched that that video first.

00:39:44.269 --> 00:39:47.329
Mm hmm. Like the drama video first that spins

00:39:47.329 --> 00:39:50.289
the narrative a certain way. It's they say it

00:39:50.289 --> 00:39:53.849
was such conviction that then it's like, oh,

00:39:54.130 --> 00:39:56.860
we're sold now. And then they go to the creator.

00:39:57.059 --> 00:39:58.579
And even if they're trying to talk about it,

00:39:58.599 --> 00:40:00.579
say like, oh, yes, I've heard this, blah, blah,

00:40:00.579 --> 00:40:02.739
blah. No, not good enough. Apologies. Not good

00:40:02.739 --> 00:40:06.539
enough. No, no, no, no. Cancelled. No forever.

00:40:06.820 --> 00:40:14.480
You're done. Like. Really? That's. That's just

00:40:14.480 --> 00:40:19.360
it's it's shameful. And so like my job is legitimately

00:40:19.360 --> 00:40:22.780
one of the best jobs I've ever had, also one

00:40:22.780 --> 00:40:25.550
of the hardest jobs I've ever had, because. like

00:40:25.550 --> 00:40:29.150
I don't get paid as much as well also my company

00:40:29.150 --> 00:40:31.289
agrees on this but we work through the state

00:40:31.289 --> 00:40:33.530
so it's like the state insurance is kind of finicky

00:40:33.530 --> 00:40:38.230
um but we're in the business of literally every

00:40:38.230 --> 00:40:43.389
day I know that I'm doing good because I'm helping

00:40:43.389 --> 00:40:49.530
families get access to food shelter housing transportation

00:40:49.530 --> 00:40:52.730
and medical appointments for their kids school

00:40:52.730 --> 00:40:56.440
therapy like I'm not the one actually doing the

00:40:56.440 --> 00:40:59.159
services, but in my position, we're like that

00:40:59.159 --> 00:41:01.739
middleman who we can contact the PCP and be like,

00:41:01.760 --> 00:41:04.699
hey, this kiddo needs therapy or family therapy,

00:41:04.739 --> 00:41:08.360
or they need a tablet so that they can speak

00:41:08.360 --> 00:41:12.579
through it. I'm helping those families find those

00:41:12.579 --> 00:41:15.280
resources, referring them to those places and

00:41:15.280 --> 00:41:19.519
getting them supported better to where they may

00:41:19.519 --> 00:41:21.480
not be able to afford it themselves. So we're

00:41:21.480 --> 00:41:24.590
finding programs for them. that they can afford

00:41:24.590 --> 00:41:27.110
or that's free to help them and their family

00:41:27.110 --> 00:41:30.250
live a little easier. And that, that's a huge

00:41:30.250 --> 00:41:33.630
impact on families. Like I have 60 families on

00:41:33.630 --> 00:41:37.809
my caseload right now, 60. Yeah. Families, not

00:41:37.809 --> 00:41:44.329
just kids, families of all varying sizes. And

00:41:44.329 --> 00:41:46.989
I'm not going to come home from a day of work

00:41:46.989 --> 00:41:50.710
and be like, okay, so I saw X, I saw this person.

00:41:50.789 --> 00:41:53.389
I don't remember what, like. I have enough to

00:41:53.389 --> 00:41:57.030
deal with during the day with parents and people

00:41:57.030 --> 00:42:01.269
and hearing stories that break my heart and I

00:42:01.269 --> 00:42:04.090
can't do more than what my job allows me to do.

00:42:04.809 --> 00:42:07.730
Do something that fulfills you and challenges

00:42:07.730 --> 00:42:11.989
you every day that makes you a better person,

00:42:12.010 --> 00:42:14.909
that allows you to grow. It doesn't have to be

00:42:14.909 --> 00:42:17.369
human services. I'm not saying that. I'm in a

00:42:17.369 --> 00:42:22.989
pretty extreme, based on what I do. got in college

00:42:22.989 --> 00:42:25.309
for my bachelor's like that's why I'm kind of

00:42:25.309 --> 00:42:31.989
in this this one area. But things that are similar

00:42:31.989 --> 00:42:34.969
to that were even just small things like spreading

00:42:34.969 --> 00:42:39.469
compliments I for the longest time I have always

00:42:39.469 --> 00:42:42.389
tried to whenever I'm in the car or whenever

00:42:42.389 --> 00:42:45.579
we're out This is legitimate. You can ask my

00:42:45.579 --> 00:42:48.500
wife. I do this all the time just because I know

00:42:48.500 --> 00:42:50.639
what it's like to feel really down. I know what

00:42:50.639 --> 00:42:54.900
it's like to feel really insecure. And a lot

00:42:54.900 --> 00:42:57.420
of times, I just want to make people feel better.

00:42:57.800 --> 00:42:59.920
And it might be the human services aspect of

00:42:59.920 --> 00:43:03.900
it, but I will try to give at least one compliment

00:43:03.900 --> 00:43:08.659
to a stranger a day. Just because. because it

00:43:08.659 --> 00:43:10.860
makes me feel better. It makes me feel like I

00:43:10.860 --> 00:43:13.280
might have made somebody smile and I may have,

00:43:13.280 --> 00:43:16.860
you know, made their day a little better. That

00:43:16.860 --> 00:43:21.019
fills me like I'm not going to insult one person

00:43:21.019 --> 00:43:24.159
a day because I want to feel powerful. Like.

00:43:25.179 --> 00:43:27.880
That's just lonely and it's going to weigh down

00:43:27.880 --> 00:43:31.400
on your heart and your soul and your energy that

00:43:31.400 --> 00:43:35.119
you're giving out is going to be very. Gross

00:43:35.119 --> 00:43:39.300
negative energy, so yeah, yeah. even if it's

00:43:39.300 --> 00:43:42.320
us driving, and I'll roll down my window and

00:43:42.320 --> 00:43:48.500
be like, I love your dress! The amount of people

00:43:48.500 --> 00:43:53.780
who kind of look, and I'm like, bye! And my wife

00:43:53.780 --> 00:43:59.739
is like, oh, I signed a contract. I am in it

00:43:59.739 --> 00:44:05.719
for the long haul. Long haul! But it's just like

00:44:05.719 --> 00:44:08.900
almost every single time. that I've done something

00:44:08.900 --> 00:44:12.239
silly like that I've looked back and they've

00:44:12.239 --> 00:44:14.500
been smiling even if it was like giggling like

00:44:14.500 --> 00:44:17.239
oh my god that was weird like they went from

00:44:17.239 --> 00:44:20.679
not smiling to smiling yeah and it's just it's

00:44:20.679 --> 00:44:23.139
a good feeling to know that you're putting positive

00:44:23.139 --> 00:44:27.199
energy into the world like my car has a sticker

00:44:27.199 --> 00:44:29.559
that says I hope something good happens to you

00:44:29.559 --> 00:44:31.980
today smiley face so even if I don't talk to

00:44:31.980 --> 00:44:35.480
them You're seeing me on the highway and I'm

00:44:35.480 --> 00:44:40.699
like, I hope you're doing good, BB. Be better.

00:44:41.039 --> 00:44:45.400
Be somebody who puts out love and light in the

00:44:45.400 --> 00:44:51.199
world and not this. Life is already so fucking

00:44:51.199 --> 00:44:54.619
hard. You don't need to make it harder for someone

00:44:54.619 --> 00:45:02.030
else just because you feel like you are to quote

00:45:02.030 --> 00:45:07.210
unquote saving somebody from this person. Because

00:45:07.210 --> 00:45:09.710
it's like it's like another thing that like a

00:45:09.710 --> 00:45:13.170
lot of these call out posts or like one off video

00:45:13.170 --> 00:45:16.449
is like to do is they're like, oh, just so you

00:45:16.449 --> 00:45:21.869
guys know, yeah, this artist is a scammer because

00:45:21.869 --> 00:45:24.829
they don't respond fast enough or this. Right.

00:45:25.030 --> 00:45:27.070
This person is a scammer because they didn't

00:45:27.070 --> 00:45:32.599
pay me fast enough. And it's like Like I understand

00:45:32.599 --> 00:45:35.599
wanting to bring that to attention to people.

00:45:35.599 --> 00:45:39.980
Yeah, but You don't need like tell your friends,

00:45:39.980 --> 00:45:42.980
you know word -of -mouth exists Yeah, you know

00:45:42.980 --> 00:45:47.260
like if you truly care about people you would

00:45:47.260 --> 00:45:49.440
like say for example It's on Twitter, right?

00:45:49.480 --> 00:45:51.860
You would go to the people who follow that artist

00:45:51.860 --> 00:45:56.219
on Twitter and be like hey, just so you know

00:45:56.219 --> 00:46:00.070
This artist you follow they kind of like Are

00:46:00.070 --> 00:46:02.849
slow with responding or they did this or they

00:46:02.849 --> 00:46:05.829
stifled me or whatever like and if they make

00:46:05.829 --> 00:46:07.969
a call out post that's on their conscious but

00:46:07.969 --> 00:46:13.050
at least for you you're not directly. Causing

00:46:13.050 --> 00:46:17.289
this kind of like hard kids again some artists

00:46:17.289 --> 00:46:21.250
aren't very good at communicating. But you don't

00:46:21.250 --> 00:46:23.210
know what's going on in their life and they don't

00:46:23.210 --> 00:46:25.480
they're not required to tell you that. As well.

00:46:25.599 --> 00:46:28.760
I feel like a lot of clients feel like they have

00:46:28.760 --> 00:46:32.059
the right to know if you're in the hospital or

00:46:32.059 --> 00:46:35.679
if you're experiencing anything in life that

00:46:35.679 --> 00:46:40.420
causes even just not doing work like their Clients

00:46:40.420 --> 00:46:43.400
are entitled to knowing every everything you

00:46:43.400 --> 00:46:46.280
do or why you're not doing the thing that they

00:46:46.280 --> 00:46:50.739
want you to do Like should you be transparent?

00:46:50.960 --> 00:46:54.099
Absolutely as transparent as you can but you're

00:46:54.280 --> 00:46:58.980
Clients shouldn't feel like it's like an obligation.

00:46:59.139 --> 00:47:03.820
That's what a TOS is for and a contract as well.

00:47:04.199 --> 00:47:06.760
You're using words to make it sound worse than

00:47:06.760 --> 00:47:13.599
it actually is. Exactly. Yeah. We need to go

00:47:13.599 --> 00:47:16.340
back to word of mouth when it comes to drama

00:47:16.340 --> 00:47:23.119
and stuff, especially for lower fractions. or

00:47:23.119 --> 00:47:27.960
infractions because it's like like if you truly

00:47:27.960 --> 00:47:32.480
care about other people you would tell that person

00:47:32.480 --> 00:47:36.699
you know like if someone is like working for

00:47:36.699 --> 00:47:39.699
someone that you know slighted you before you

00:47:39.699 --> 00:47:41.980
would be like hey just so you know just to be

00:47:41.980 --> 00:47:45.059
cautious a few years ago this person slighted

00:47:45.059 --> 00:47:47.760
me and i just want you to know that you know

00:47:47.760 --> 00:47:50.559
that's in their history uh so just be cautious

00:47:50.559 --> 00:47:53.230
and like try to think of a solution that I didn't

00:47:53.230 --> 00:47:58.309
think of during that time. You know, you absolutely

00:47:58.309 --> 00:48:00.389
can do that. You absolutely should, because that's,

00:48:00.389 --> 00:48:02.269
you know, trying to look out for your fellow

00:48:02.269 --> 00:48:06.710
man. But doing a whole call out post over a small

00:48:06.710 --> 00:48:13.630
infraction is completely uncalled for, especially

00:48:13.630 --> 00:48:16.369
in like, again, the public shaming sphere. It's

00:48:16.369 --> 00:48:20.219
like you are not. Helping you are not making

00:48:20.219 --> 00:48:24.260
the situation better if anything you in like

00:48:24.260 --> 00:48:27.780
the worst cases you have We have lost artists

00:48:27.780 --> 00:48:30.440
on the internet as in like they just leave the

00:48:30.440 --> 00:48:32.880
internet They yeah, they're like hanging around

00:48:32.880 --> 00:48:36.119
but they stop doing internet stuff on the internet

00:48:36.119 --> 00:48:40.239
because of a Call out where it's just like hey

00:48:40.239 --> 00:48:42.360
don't do this artist because they actually kind

00:48:42.360 --> 00:48:45.300
of suck at time management And it's like that

00:48:45.300 --> 00:48:47.949
fucking sucks You can't even grow from that.

00:48:48.090 --> 00:48:50.409
Like it's stupid for someone to feel so entitled

00:48:50.409 --> 00:48:53.309
to call somebody out. And then that person can

00:48:53.309 --> 00:48:56.369
grow from that and become a better artist or

00:48:56.369 --> 00:48:58.429
you learn from their mistakes or realize that

00:48:58.429 --> 00:49:01.090
something wasn't the right path. And then that's

00:49:01.090 --> 00:49:02.949
not allowed because you did this thing once.

00:49:03.269 --> 00:49:06.429
And like, even if you've clearly made it better,

00:49:07.329 --> 00:49:09.150
I'm still going to hold that over your head or

00:49:09.150 --> 00:49:11.869
someone new is still going to hold over. It's

00:49:11.869 --> 00:49:16.400
like, you can't. It's not your job to keep people

00:49:16.400 --> 00:49:21.019
honest, it's their job to keep themselves honest.

00:49:21.980 --> 00:49:25.840
Even word of mouth can be toxic because the way

00:49:25.840 --> 00:49:28.659
that you're telling stories, a lot of times people

00:49:28.659 --> 00:49:32.260
are telling stories where they only tell the

00:49:32.260 --> 00:49:34.360
parts where something bad happened. They don't

00:49:34.360 --> 00:49:37.380
tell any parts about what they said or what they

00:49:37.380 --> 00:49:41.800
did that they contributed to any kind of fallout

00:49:41.800 --> 00:49:44.820
there was. like, or the context that they may

00:49:44.820 --> 00:49:48.860
have known. It's just chaos. And it's something

00:49:48.860 --> 00:49:52.159
that I've noticed more and more when I'm online,

00:49:52.840 --> 00:49:56.380
that any tiny thing that can be said or misconstrued

00:49:56.380 --> 00:49:59.300
is immediately blown up into something and made

00:49:59.300 --> 00:50:03.880
into a drama video. And I'm like, when did we

00:50:03.880 --> 00:50:07.159
when did we become a society that was so immature?

00:50:07.559 --> 00:50:12.110
Yeah. And toxic and wanting to hurt other people.

00:50:12.369 --> 00:50:16.090
Like this is why we're always divided. It's not

00:50:16.090 --> 00:50:18.289
all of the things that people think. People think

00:50:18.289 --> 00:50:20.889
it's all politics. It's not all politics. It's

00:50:20.889 --> 00:50:23.130
literally the fact that people can't have mature

00:50:23.130 --> 00:50:26.030
conversations with one another, especially if

00:50:26.030 --> 00:50:29.269
they've, you know, done wrong. Like I had somebody

00:50:29.269 --> 00:50:32.130
who was in our life for a past couple of years,

00:50:32.190 --> 00:50:37.480
my wife and I, who really, really hurt us. and

00:50:37.480 --> 00:50:40.059
it was very toxic and we aren't friends with

00:50:40.059 --> 00:50:44.679
them anymore. But they reached out recently and

00:50:44.679 --> 00:50:47.559
they said, you know, I don't know. I mean, I

00:50:47.559 --> 00:50:49.679
don't know how much of it was genuine, but I'm

00:50:49.679 --> 00:50:53.539
not going to like assume that it wasn't. But

00:50:53.539 --> 00:50:57.079
they, you know, emailed me and said, I just want

00:50:57.079 --> 00:51:00.079
to apologize for the way that I acted. I want

00:51:00.079 --> 00:51:04.019
to take accountability for my part and, you know,

00:51:04.280 --> 00:51:07.059
acknowledge the things that didn't acknowledge

00:51:07.059 --> 00:51:11.780
before and I was like honestly I responded back

00:51:11.780 --> 00:51:15.500
I'm like I I accept your apology things were

00:51:15.500 --> 00:51:18.920
tough between everybody I'm you're not the only

00:51:18.920 --> 00:51:22.719
one that was wrong in every situation it always

00:51:22.719 --> 00:51:25.300
takes multiple people to be wrong in a situation

00:51:25.300 --> 00:51:29.340
and I'm I'm very appreciative that you apologized

00:51:29.340 --> 00:51:32.760
for your part and I hope that you're doing well

00:51:32.760 --> 00:51:38.409
I hope that you can continue to find peace and

00:51:38.409 --> 00:51:41.050
just sending love and light even to people who

00:51:41.050 --> 00:51:47.369
have really hurt you. With the exception of some

00:51:47.369 --> 00:51:49.989
people that have really hurt you in ways that

00:51:49.989 --> 00:51:52.110
you don't want to forgive, you don't need to.

00:51:52.530 --> 00:51:57.050
I'm just saying. I have an ex that will not forgive.

00:51:58.130 --> 00:52:01.539
I feel like I've kind of forgiven, but... It's

00:52:01.539 --> 00:52:03.460
to the point where like there was just so much

00:52:03.460 --> 00:52:05.480
that happened there. That was really bad that

00:52:05.480 --> 00:52:09.920
I can't I Don't believe that the apology is genuine

00:52:09.920 --> 00:52:12.360
because I know what that person is, right? And

00:52:12.360 --> 00:52:15.300
it's I'm seeing the same patterns when they apologize

00:52:15.300 --> 00:52:19.579
that I saw 12 years ago So I'm like, okay that

00:52:19.579 --> 00:52:21.119
kind of gives me the feeling that you're not

00:52:21.119 --> 00:52:25.980
being genuine. So mmm, no, no, thank you but

00:52:25.980 --> 00:52:29.079
then again, it's it's more just I Don't have

00:52:29.079 --> 00:52:31.679
a desire to have you in my life but I don't wish

00:52:31.679 --> 00:52:35.119
you any ill will. I hope that you find happiness

00:52:35.119 --> 00:52:39.980
and please don't contact me again. Just be civil

00:52:39.980 --> 00:52:41.800
and break it up. Then you don't have to go and

00:52:41.800 --> 00:52:44.099
be like, oh my God, I can't believe this person

00:52:44.099 --> 00:52:47.159
said that don't talk to me anymore. Can you believe

00:52:47.159 --> 00:52:49.679
somebody doesn't want to talk to me? Exactly.

00:52:50.739 --> 00:52:53.500
You're not entitled to people's time and their

00:52:53.500 --> 00:52:59.360
energy or their life or their anything. No one,

00:52:59.559 --> 00:53:01.960
no one's going to keep that person honest about

00:53:01.960 --> 00:53:04.440
themselves and think that you're helping, but

00:53:04.440 --> 00:53:07.300
you're actually hurting. Yeah. And it's also

00:53:07.300 --> 00:53:10.719
just like the fact of like, like you have someone

00:53:10.719 --> 00:53:14.300
in your life that you could, if you, like you

00:53:14.300 --> 00:53:16.739
had the, you have the power to ruin someone's

00:53:16.739 --> 00:53:20.679
life if you made a public post. Right. Or, and

00:53:20.679 --> 00:53:24.659
I do as well, but it's like. I'm not, we're not

00:53:24.659 --> 00:53:29.159
gonna do that because we understand that like,

00:53:29.340 --> 00:53:34.099
that's not going to be helpful. And I'm not gonna

00:53:34.099 --> 00:53:38.420
feel better because I said that. You know, that's

00:53:38.420 --> 00:53:43.420
another thing is like, if you like, you're not

00:53:43.420 --> 00:53:48.090
gonna feel better. As the person involved if

00:53:48.090 --> 00:53:51.269
you make the callout post But because these people

00:53:51.269 --> 00:53:54.230
are like third parties or they're not actually

00:53:54.230 --> 00:53:56.050
in the fucking trenches. They're not the people

00:53:56.050 --> 00:54:01.349
being harmed Right They feel like they're doing

00:54:01.349 --> 00:54:05.469
a duty to the people who are harmed by making

00:54:05.469 --> 00:54:08.730
a callout post about the person and it's like

00:54:08.730 --> 00:54:12.110
Like it doesn't you're not helping the people

00:54:12.349 --> 00:54:15.789
That were harmed or slighted or whatever or slightly

00:54:15.789 --> 00:54:20.750
inconvenienced in some cases if anything you

00:54:20.750 --> 00:54:27.489
are just like Bring up unnecessary things Under

00:54:27.489 --> 00:54:30.929
the guise of being a white knight about being

00:54:30.929 --> 00:54:38.289
a savior like No one like I would not feel Seen

00:54:38.289 --> 00:54:41.679
if someone made a post talking about someone

00:54:41.679 --> 00:54:46.760
who slighted me. Like in my example, it's also,

00:54:46.760 --> 00:54:49.920
you know, like NX. Because those usually, they

00:54:49.920 --> 00:54:52.460
usually do that. A lot of NX stories. A lot of

00:54:52.460 --> 00:54:55.079
NX stories that we will not make an episode about

00:54:55.079 --> 00:55:00.719
because... No. No. That's exclusive on our Patreon

00:55:00.719 --> 00:55:06.219
for $100. No. Right, right. Sorry, $10 ,000.

00:55:06.760 --> 00:55:09.659
True. Okay, that's fair. That's fair. That's

00:55:09.659 --> 00:55:12.139
fair. If you want the tfa is ten thousand dollars.

00:55:12.139 --> 00:55:16.079
It's already up on our patreon a month a month

00:55:16.079 --> 00:55:19.019
for at least a year We want a year subscription

00:55:19.019 --> 00:55:24.119
up front. Yeah But anyway, like if if someone

00:55:24.119 --> 00:55:28.780
that I told about my ex too Decided because like

00:55:28.780 --> 00:55:32.000
my ex, you know Has a little bit of an influence

00:55:32.000 --> 00:55:35.619
online um, okay, not a lot, but like, you know

00:55:35.619 --> 00:55:39.039
like More than me. Definitely. Like let's say

00:55:39.039 --> 00:55:46.059
he's in like the 40k range but If someone came

00:55:46.059 --> 00:55:48.280
to me because this was like again years ago,

00:55:48.360 --> 00:55:50.280
so it's like is he's probably not even the same

00:55:50.280 --> 00:55:54.360
person. Yeah But anyway, if I were to tell somebody

00:55:54.360 --> 00:55:57.599
that like oh, hey this X that I have that has

00:55:57.599 --> 00:56:03.530
currently 40k followers on Twitter Did this really

00:56:03.530 --> 00:56:06.150
awful thing to me and then they decided to go

00:56:06.150 --> 00:56:08.909
around and make a call -out post based off of

00:56:08.909 --> 00:56:13.090
what I said Keeping me anonymous. I would feel

00:56:13.090 --> 00:56:17.409
like my trust was violated, right? Like and if

00:56:17.409 --> 00:56:19.789
they're like, oh, but I'm you know, I'm exposing

00:56:19.789 --> 00:56:22.309
him. Don't you feel better? I'm warning others

00:56:22.309 --> 00:56:25.889
about him and it's like that's not why I told

00:56:25.889 --> 00:56:31.820
you that you know You're not Doing this for me

00:56:31.820 --> 00:56:33.760
that you're doing this for you because you're

00:56:33.760 --> 00:56:36.820
the one getting engagement. I'm not because I'm

00:56:36.820 --> 00:56:41.840
like and even then it's like No, it's not gonna

00:56:41.840 --> 00:56:45.280
he could have changed by now. Yeah, and even

00:56:45.280 --> 00:56:48.099
if he yeah Yeah, and even if he didn't he'd stayed

00:56:48.099 --> 00:56:51.039
exactly the same I still wouldn't want that because

00:56:51.039 --> 00:56:54.519
it's like he still got success somehow, you know

00:56:54.519 --> 00:56:57.480
It's like but also like we I told you these things

00:56:57.480 --> 00:56:59.699
in confidence, too. Yeah, it's like actually

00:57:00.000 --> 00:57:03.300
Why would you then, like, go and spread that,

00:57:03.440 --> 00:57:05.639
like, because you don't have my consent to do

00:57:05.639 --> 00:57:08.539
that? And so that makes me feel like I can't

00:57:08.539 --> 00:57:10.179
tell you anything. Like, we can't be friends

00:57:10.179 --> 00:57:12.280
because I can't tell you anything in confidence

00:57:12.280 --> 00:57:14.320
without you feeling like I can profit off of

00:57:14.320 --> 00:57:17.079
this. That's not a win. And especially like,

00:57:17.480 --> 00:57:19.659
like, obviously his crime was more than this.

00:57:19.739 --> 00:57:21.820
But let's say it's like a lesser crime of like,

00:57:22.039 --> 00:57:24.500
oh, he stood me up on a date once, you know,

00:57:24.500 --> 00:57:27.340
like that's still a shitty thing to do. It was

00:57:27.340 --> 00:57:29.519
still like an asshole move. But I don't want

00:57:29.519 --> 00:57:32.780
him canceled over that, over being a bad partner

00:57:32.780 --> 00:57:37.340
or something. Like, sometimes the crime does

00:57:37.340 --> 00:57:42.079
not fit the punishment. So it's like, it's not

00:57:42.079 --> 00:57:44.579
that big. Like, I'm not gonna, you're not saving

00:57:44.579 --> 00:57:51.980
me. You're not speaking for me on my behalf when

00:57:51.980 --> 00:57:57.090
I didn't even want it. Yeah, no one I never asked

00:57:57.090 --> 00:58:00.269
you to do it like it would be different if I

00:58:00.269 --> 00:58:04.349
asked them to do it but like is that's you know?

00:58:04.550 --> 00:58:09.050
vindictive I'm addictive but like I if I didn't

00:58:09.050 --> 00:58:15.349
ask and I Didn't like have any consent involved

00:58:15.349 --> 00:58:18.530
yeah, that's really shitty to do and like I can't

00:58:18.530 --> 00:58:23.760
imagine for the people who like are Like if there's

00:58:23.760 --> 00:58:27.559
like a drama where it's like, oh, we're exposing

00:58:27.559 --> 00:58:31.239
this person because all the people they worked

00:58:31.239 --> 00:58:33.219
with said that they were a shitty person. And

00:58:33.219 --> 00:58:35.019
I was one of the people that worked for them.

00:58:35.059 --> 00:58:38.940
And I would be like, I was never asked. Where

00:58:38.940 --> 00:58:41.320
is my question? Where was my sit down interview?

00:58:42.300 --> 00:58:44.980
I've worked for this person. Sure, it was like

00:58:44.980 --> 00:58:47.139
for a one off contract, but it was still like

00:58:47.139 --> 00:58:50.800
I worked for them for many months. during this

00:58:50.800 --> 00:58:57.539
crucial period of this timeline. And I was never

00:58:57.539 --> 00:59:00.159
asked. So it's just like, it's just one of those

00:59:00.159 --> 00:59:01.880
things where it's like, interesting, interesting

00:59:01.880 --> 00:59:04.739
how you don't ask one of the people that were

00:59:04.739 --> 00:59:06.880
involved, but you claim all of these people feel

00:59:06.880 --> 00:59:10.199
this way. But really, it's just a few people

00:59:10.199 --> 00:59:12.880
just complaining. And they're allowed to complain,

00:59:12.880 --> 00:59:17.340
but that doesn't make... Doesn't make it true.

00:59:17.559 --> 00:59:19.980
It doesn't make it true or it doesn't make it

00:59:19.980 --> 00:59:24.619
like worthy enough for a video or like a call

00:59:24.619 --> 00:59:27.780
out post or something because it's like Again,

00:59:28.139 --> 00:59:30.460
everyone complains about their job. You know,

00:59:30.639 --> 00:59:33.139
like I love my job. I love where I work I love

00:59:33.139 --> 00:59:35.719
the people I work with but goddamn sometimes

00:59:35.719 --> 00:59:39.079
they're fucking stupid. Yep And so I come home

00:59:39.079 --> 00:59:44.480
to my wife and I fucking complain. Yes As I should

00:59:44.480 --> 00:59:48.190
and then I would go to work and be like, hey,

00:59:48.449 --> 00:59:51.230
remember that thing you did last time? How about

00:59:51.230 --> 00:59:53.469
we try it this way? You know, like, I would never

00:59:53.469 --> 00:59:57.909
say it to their face. I would be like, hey, you

00:59:57.909 --> 01:00:00.210
did, like, a minor mistake that really fucked

01:00:00.210 --> 01:00:02.150
me over. I wouldn't say fucked, but, you know,

01:00:02.570 --> 01:00:04.570
like, you really, like, you did a minor mistake

01:00:04.570 --> 01:00:06.570
that really, like, inconvenienced me. So we're

01:00:06.570 --> 01:00:09.829
gonna go over it together so that we both know

01:00:09.829 --> 01:00:12.869
what's expected of us, you know? Or if there's

01:00:12.869 --> 01:00:15.190
something that you don't understand that I said...

01:00:15.130 --> 01:00:17.329
We should fix that, you know, like I'm not going

01:00:17.329 --> 01:00:22.230
to just leave it alone, you know. Like, yeah.

01:00:22.769 --> 01:00:25.150
But again, everyone can complain about their

01:00:25.150 --> 01:00:27.670
job, they can complain about clients they don't

01:00:27.670 --> 01:00:31.090
like working with, but still work with them because

01:00:31.090 --> 01:00:35.409
that's what being a professional is, is doing

01:00:35.409 --> 01:00:42.409
your job. Because it's your job. And obviously,

01:00:42.710 --> 01:00:46.360
and also because, you know, I don't know any

01:00:46.360 --> 01:00:49.260
like I'm talking strictly about the United States

01:00:49.260 --> 01:00:53.539
the United States is I think the phrase is uh

01:00:53.539 --> 01:00:58.099
will to work um so if you don't want to work

01:00:58.099 --> 01:01:01.900
you can leave if you don't want to work you can

01:01:01.900 --> 01:01:05.730
quit and you don't have to say Anything to anybody

01:01:05.730 --> 01:01:07.369
you can just be like I don't want to do this

01:01:07.369 --> 01:01:09.949
anymore You guys treat me shitty or I don't do

01:01:09.949 --> 01:01:11.849
this anymore. You don't pay me enough You can

01:01:11.849 --> 01:01:15.389
go and you don't have to say anything about it

01:01:15.389 --> 01:01:18.170
except for when we talked about worth it work

01:01:18.170 --> 01:01:21.489
work experiences, and I just talk shit the entire

01:01:21.489 --> 01:01:25.710
time, but right But sometimes you know like at

01:01:25.710 --> 01:01:28.849
that point those managers that worked at that

01:01:28.849 --> 01:01:32.070
Alamo draft house are public gone Because they're

01:01:32.070 --> 01:01:35.800
bad managers they left They were fired or they

01:01:35.800 --> 01:01:38.900
went somewhere else. They don't like that Alamo

01:01:38.900 --> 01:01:44.039
that I called out in Virginia are probably way

01:01:44.039 --> 01:01:46.659
better now. You know, because again, it's been

01:01:46.659 --> 01:01:51.019
years and people change. Management changes.

01:01:51.360 --> 01:01:54.119
People grow. You can still be like, hey, this

01:01:54.119 --> 01:01:56.739
company like sucked to work with. I wouldn't

01:01:56.739 --> 01:02:01.039
recommend them. And that's fine. You can say

01:02:01.039 --> 01:02:04.219
that without like. Being like, oh, actually,

01:02:04.340 --> 01:02:06.280
Disney fucking fucked, you know, like you don't

01:02:06.280 --> 01:02:10.840
have to. Right. Yeah. Yeah, it's just I feel

01:02:10.840 --> 01:02:13.880
like people think that their opinions are going

01:02:13.880 --> 01:02:20.039
to. I don't know what the word is, but get them

01:02:20.039 --> 01:02:25.960
more authentic. Connection and sometimes it might.

01:02:26.699 --> 01:02:30.380
But sometimes it's like, is that really a connection

01:02:30.380 --> 01:02:33.949
you want with people? Like that are gonna grow

01:02:33.949 --> 01:02:36.449
with you or they gonna grow with you and learn

01:02:36.449 --> 01:02:38.949
with you as friends as people that are in your

01:02:38.949 --> 01:02:43.050
life or they just there because right now you're

01:02:43.050 --> 01:02:46.389
doing something that's popular and Yes, or like

01:02:46.389 --> 01:02:48.389
hating on somebody that's popular which is like

01:02:48.389 --> 01:02:51.090
a whole like we said very toxic mindset to have

01:02:51.090 --> 01:02:54.789
but then as soon as like Just like the internet

01:02:54.789 --> 01:02:57.309
does it turns its back on you in like a second.

01:02:57.730 --> 01:02:59.880
What makes you think it will happen to you? And

01:02:59.880 --> 01:03:02.199
those same people are going to do the same thing

01:03:02.199 --> 01:03:04.920
to you. So like the behavior that you're seeing

01:03:04.920 --> 01:03:09.079
right now, what makes you think that that's not

01:03:09.079 --> 01:03:11.519
going to be the same treatment that you get?

01:03:12.159 --> 01:03:15.440
Because people on the internet are so easily

01:03:15.440 --> 01:03:19.179
swayed that it's like authenticity almost it

01:03:19.179 --> 01:03:24.400
doesn't even reach anymore. Yeah. So like like

01:03:24.400 --> 01:03:26.840
not to mention like if someone came to me like

01:03:26.840 --> 01:03:28.679
we were just like hanging out and they were like,

01:03:28.679 --> 01:03:32.820
oh my god, I ruined like So many artists lives

01:03:32.820 --> 01:03:34.900
with like call -outs because they were terrible

01:03:34.900 --> 01:03:38.760
people. I would be like noted Yeah, I'm not gonna

01:03:38.760 --> 01:03:40.400
be your friend anymore because I'm an artist.

01:03:40.599 --> 01:03:43.780
Yeah, you know like it's not I'm because at that

01:03:43.780 --> 01:03:47.179
point I could complain about anything and they

01:03:47.179 --> 01:03:49.619
could make a cobble out post about it like remove

01:03:49.619 --> 01:03:54.139
context remove Nuances remove the fact that like,

01:03:54.440 --> 01:03:58.380
you know I don't I have a full -time job on top

01:03:58.380 --> 01:04:01.340
of freelancing, you know, like it's not like

01:04:01.340 --> 01:04:04.380
like remove context in order to paint me as someone

01:04:04.380 --> 01:04:08.980
who Doesn't talk to their clients or is slow

01:04:08.980 --> 01:04:13.179
with updates and it's like like No, I'm not going

01:04:13.179 --> 01:04:16.579
to be your fucking friend anymore. No. Especially

01:04:16.579 --> 01:04:19.400
if you parade it around like a fucking peacock.

01:04:19.559 --> 01:04:22.159
Right. Like it's this huge badge of honor and

01:04:22.159 --> 01:04:24.820
it's just like, no, that's fucking weird that

01:04:24.820 --> 01:04:28.519
you are so proud of the fact that you've ruined

01:04:28.519 --> 01:04:32.940
so many artists' career. Badge of dishonor. No,

01:04:33.039 --> 01:04:37.599
for real. Dishonor, honestly. Because for me

01:04:37.599 --> 01:04:42.059
too, I'd be like, hmm. Now I'm thinking that

01:04:42.059 --> 01:04:44.719
if I say anything to you or like if I piss you

01:04:44.719 --> 01:04:49.559
off like yeah No, no, no, I'm a ride or die.

01:04:49.559 --> 01:04:51.960
Like I'm gonna oh your secrets are safe with

01:04:51.960 --> 01:04:55.940
it. Ah I'm pretty sure your rider died with these

01:04:55.940 --> 01:04:59.139
people too or at one point something and like

01:04:59.139 --> 01:05:02.880
There's no privacy anymore in the world and there's

01:05:02.880 --> 01:05:07.900
no like it's so hard to find on authentic friendships

01:05:07.900 --> 01:05:11.829
and relationships now. Yeah because of that because

01:05:11.829 --> 01:05:14.969
people feel like they have a sense of power over

01:05:14.969 --> 01:05:18.710
others and rather than seeing us all as equals

01:05:18.710 --> 01:05:20.849
and seeing us all as people who are flawed or

01:05:20.849 --> 01:05:23.289
are gonna make mistakes and are gonna do stupid

01:05:23.289 --> 01:05:28.489
things and you know whatever the reason is like

01:05:28.489 --> 01:05:32.269
just being like giving people like you said the

01:05:32.269 --> 01:05:40.519
grace and the kindness to Change and to learn

01:05:40.519 --> 01:05:43.519
and if you really concerned about that person

01:05:43.519 --> 01:05:45.860
Like again with like people that are talking

01:05:45.860 --> 01:05:48.820
about people's health online You're really concerned

01:05:48.820 --> 01:05:51.280
reach out to them personally reach out to people

01:05:51.280 --> 01:05:54.380
that are in their real life That can maybe help

01:05:54.380 --> 01:05:57.420
like I know it happened to one of the creators.

01:05:57.420 --> 01:06:00.599
I won't say names but Like somebody had reached

01:06:00.599 --> 01:06:04.800
out and then they got To go into like therapy

01:06:04.800 --> 01:06:07.639
and got help But that was because they contacted

01:06:07.639 --> 01:06:09.679
people in their real lives that helped them get

01:06:09.679 --> 01:06:12.360
to that point and then when they came back on

01:06:12.360 --> 01:06:15.320
the internet It was like a whole relapse. It

01:06:15.320 --> 01:06:18.420
just yeah and that those real friendships that

01:06:18.420 --> 01:06:21.539
really tried to help this person this person

01:06:21.539 --> 01:06:25.760
was so So interested in the internet that they

01:06:25.760 --> 01:06:27.780
are completely blind to what their friends were

01:06:27.780 --> 01:06:30.219
telling them and really trying to help them mm

01:06:30.219 --> 01:06:33.190
-hmm because they wanted that attention. And

01:06:33.190 --> 01:06:36.869
I think the society is so attention -starved

01:06:36.869 --> 01:06:40.670
when you're chronically online that you have

01:06:40.670 --> 01:06:43.849
to build a community around yourself because

01:06:43.849 --> 01:06:46.050
you want to feel like you're wanted and you want

01:06:46.050 --> 01:06:48.949
to feel like you're needed. And like, at the

01:06:48.949 --> 01:06:52.269
end of the day, you're alone with yourself. It

01:06:52.269 --> 01:06:54.369
sounds really bad, but it's not. At the end of

01:06:54.369 --> 01:06:56.070
the day, you need to be your own best friend.

01:06:56.170 --> 01:07:00.340
Everybody says that, but The right people will

01:07:00.340 --> 01:07:02.920
find you when you know how to love yourself and

01:07:02.920 --> 01:07:05.539
when you know how to work on yourself and acknowledge

01:07:05.539 --> 01:07:09.480
things that you've done and Sit there and go

01:07:09.480 --> 01:07:12.840
no that makes sense. Like I I'm gonna make note

01:07:12.840 --> 01:07:15.880
of that and I'm gonna try harder like It's not

01:07:15.880 --> 01:07:19.699
about hate and guilt and shame. It's about it

01:07:19.699 --> 01:07:22.659
should be about love and patience and kindness

01:07:22.659 --> 01:07:28.730
and and change But it's Nobody wants to see it

01:07:28.730 --> 01:07:33.369
that way. Yeah. And that's the problem. Sorry,

01:07:33.369 --> 01:07:35.230
I had to drink because I was like, oh, my throat.

01:07:36.389 --> 01:07:38.829
Talking for too long. Talking for too long. I

01:07:38.829 --> 01:07:43.510
don't know how people do this. We were on a call

01:07:43.510 --> 01:07:45.150
when you were doing your recording and you were

01:07:45.150 --> 01:07:51.070
like. No, I never like I was telling my wife

01:07:51.070 --> 01:07:54.010
about it and I was just like. Oh my god, I don't

01:07:54.010 --> 01:07:56.570
know how these fucking people do it for so long

01:07:56.570 --> 01:07:58.769
and it's like and and like the thing is we do

01:07:58.769 --> 01:08:01.110
like an hour long recording for these podcasts

01:08:01.110 --> 01:08:03.510
Yeah, but it's like but because we like take

01:08:03.510 --> 01:08:06.849
turns it's not nearly as bad but like just sitting

01:08:06.849 --> 01:08:10.989
with you on that one hour Like call just like

01:08:10.989 --> 01:08:19.300
talking by myself No, it was really appreciated

01:08:19.300 --> 01:08:21.140
especially when I like flubbed lines and I was

01:08:21.140 --> 01:08:25.439
like right, you know, like it was great Yes I

01:08:25.439 --> 01:08:28.260
was there for support the whole way. Yeah at

01:08:28.260 --> 01:08:31.199
this point you should just be like my Was it

01:08:31.199 --> 01:08:33.640
called like audio director or something like

01:08:33.640 --> 01:08:35.840
the person that just sits in during calls and

01:08:35.840 --> 01:08:38.359
gives direction I was gonna be like soccer mom.

01:08:38.359 --> 01:08:40.779
You doing great, sweetie. Ah, you call that a

01:08:40.779 --> 01:08:46.239
foul Ref get over here. I need to talk to you

01:08:49.339 --> 01:08:54.319
Honestly, yeah, so I think In closing because

01:08:54.319 --> 01:08:57.960
I know we've been chatting for a while We we

01:08:57.960 --> 01:09:01.319
seem to have a lot of the same topic requests

01:09:01.319 --> 01:09:05.060
or topics that are voted on In the discord that

01:09:05.060 --> 01:09:09.279
I have for like close friends And it's a lot

01:09:09.279 --> 01:09:14.750
of like internet culture internet What is the

01:09:14.750 --> 01:09:16.489
word? Internet etiquette. That's the word I was

01:09:16.489 --> 01:09:21.649
looking for. And I think because people talk

01:09:21.649 --> 01:09:24.029
about it, but I don't think they talk about it

01:09:24.029 --> 01:09:30.430
a lot of times in a really real, raw, authentic

01:09:30.430 --> 01:09:33.930
way in terms of really getting down to the nitty

01:09:33.930 --> 01:09:36.409
gritty, which I feel like we... We kind of do.

01:09:36.569 --> 01:09:39.189
We try to. I'm sure there are other podcasts

01:09:39.189 --> 01:09:40.949
and other people that talk about it more. And

01:09:40.949 --> 01:09:43.930
if you guys have any recommendations on podcasts

01:09:43.930 --> 01:09:46.489
that have similar topics to ours, I would love

01:09:46.489 --> 01:09:48.310
for you to leave them in the comments and let

01:09:48.310 --> 01:09:51.109
me know so I can check them out and support them.

01:09:52.109 --> 01:09:55.109
But yeah, it's more just because it's so prevalent

01:09:55.109 --> 01:09:58.090
and there's always something to talk about when

01:09:58.090 --> 01:10:01.909
it comes to internet culture because the world

01:10:01.909 --> 01:10:06.600
is running on the internet right now. So, but

01:10:06.600 --> 01:10:09.460
my honest thoughts or what I've, what I've said

01:10:09.460 --> 01:10:13.340
every time is just try your best to sit with

01:10:13.340 --> 01:10:17.159
yourself, self -reflect, see things from others

01:10:17.159 --> 01:10:20.279
point of views as well, and not just assume that

01:10:20.279 --> 01:10:22.619
you're always right. And, you know, living in

01:10:22.619 --> 01:10:27.319
a victim mindset, like my uncle, it's not healthy

01:10:27.319 --> 01:10:30.100
and it's sad because then you isolate yourself

01:10:30.100 --> 01:10:32.039
from the world as you get older and people don't

01:10:32.039 --> 01:10:34.539
want to be around you as much. You don't want

01:10:34.539 --> 01:10:37.180
that. You want people to know that you're adaptable

01:10:37.180 --> 01:10:39.439
and that you're somebody that they can talk to,

01:10:39.520 --> 01:10:43.079
that you can have a conversation with. It's all

01:10:43.079 --> 01:10:45.760
about being willing to change and being willing

01:10:45.760 --> 01:10:50.159
to adapt and listen and communicate and not just

01:10:50.159 --> 01:10:54.680
always have to be right. And that's my final

01:10:54.680 --> 01:10:58.819
thought. Nice. I agree with all of that. Yes.

01:10:58.960 --> 01:11:01.880
You can't just steal. You can't just copy me.

01:11:01.880 --> 01:11:04.399
I copy you entirely. You can't just say D, all

01:11:04.399 --> 01:11:07.739
of the above game. Yes, I can. And you or else

01:11:07.739 --> 01:11:10.239
you'll have to make a call up video about it.

01:11:13.199 --> 01:11:16.279
OK, well, my thoughts, you know, like D, all

01:11:16.279 --> 01:11:21.859
of the above plus. Plus. Plus my own thoughts.

01:11:22.840 --> 01:11:25.359
Like there's always going to be two sides to

01:11:25.359 --> 01:11:30.420
every story. Always be aware of the fact that,

01:11:30.439 --> 01:11:34.399
you know, some people will omit things in order

01:11:34.399 --> 01:11:38.300
to make the argument seem better for their side.

01:11:38.579 --> 01:11:43.260
Yeah. For those of you who, you know, want to

01:11:43.260 --> 01:11:47.000
be a voice for the victims, think for a second

01:11:47.000 --> 01:11:50.600
a little bit more about how the victims would

01:11:50.600 --> 01:11:53.859
feel or if you're even speaking for all of them

01:11:53.859 --> 01:11:58.319
or just a choice few. Right. And to like divulge

01:11:58.319 --> 01:12:03.880
that. Also, just like as Rain was talking about

01:12:03.880 --> 01:12:07.399
earlier, it just puts some positivity out in

01:12:07.399 --> 01:12:10.880
the world. If you see someone wearing really

01:12:10.880 --> 01:12:14.600
cool earrings, talk to them about it. You don't

01:12:14.600 --> 01:12:17.140
have to scream out of the car like she does.

01:12:19.170 --> 01:12:21.329
Because if you're like me and you're normal,

01:12:21.369 --> 01:12:23.770
you can just be like, oh, I like your hair as

01:12:23.770 --> 01:12:26.829
you walk by, you know, it's not you don't have

01:12:26.829 --> 01:12:30.989
to, you know, make it big, big deal. But it's

01:12:30.989 --> 01:12:33.369
not my fault that I'm eccentric, whatever it

01:12:33.369 --> 01:12:38.489
is. You were just you were raised that way. Anyway,

01:12:39.050 --> 01:12:41.329
I suppose, yeah, you just like you just came

01:12:41.329 --> 01:12:45.159
out like that. You can't scream out the car door.

01:12:45.300 --> 01:12:48.800
That's mine. I've trademarked it. Oh, I'm so

01:12:48.800 --> 01:12:50.819
sorry. Yeah, yeah, you can't even talk about

01:12:50.819 --> 01:12:54.779
it Sorry, you know what just editor bleep bleep

01:12:54.779 --> 01:12:57.819
that hole in a pair of conversation now Especially

01:12:57.819 --> 01:13:04.300
when I say it Right But anyway serious note is

01:13:04.300 --> 01:13:06.880
like there's already so much negativity in the

01:13:06.880 --> 01:13:11.729
world So try putting something positive in it

01:13:11.729 --> 01:13:17.689
when you can. Even just, you know, like complimenting

01:13:17.689 --> 01:13:20.569
your favorite artist's artwork under their posts,

01:13:21.189 --> 01:13:25.829
or just like a kind little comment to your favorite

01:13:25.829 --> 01:13:29.210
writer, to your favorite creator can really make

01:13:29.210 --> 01:13:33.409
their day. You may think that they don't see

01:13:33.409 --> 01:13:36.760
it, but... I promise you that they probably do.

01:13:37.000 --> 01:13:39.640
And they think about that really kind word that

01:13:39.640 --> 01:13:46.500
you said. But yeah. And to read out, like honestly,

01:13:46.520 --> 01:13:49.279
if you feel like you've hurt somebody and you're

01:13:49.279 --> 01:13:53.060
too embarrassed or ashamed to reach out and apologize.

01:13:54.300 --> 01:13:57.140
I would say take the chance and apologize, like

01:13:57.140 --> 01:14:00.579
own it more than likely that person's going to

01:14:00.579 --> 01:14:03.930
appreciate and accept that apology. and move

01:14:03.930 --> 01:14:05.989
on from it if they don't like if they want to

01:14:05.989 --> 01:14:08.109
live and be angry at you for the rest of their

01:14:08.109 --> 01:14:11.949
lives at least you owned it and at least you

01:14:11.949 --> 01:14:16.029
apologized and took ownership of you know somebody

01:14:16.029 --> 01:14:19.409
else's hurt that you even if you indirectly caused

01:14:19.409 --> 01:14:22.350
it you know it's it's good practice to really

01:14:22.350 --> 01:14:25.689
see things and go wow like like my friend like

01:14:25.689 --> 01:14:29.430
i said reach out apologize for your side of things

01:14:29.430 --> 01:14:32.890
they can either Give their side and apologize

01:14:32.890 --> 01:14:34.810
to and you could have a good closure or they

01:14:34.810 --> 01:14:38.710
could just be like, yeah fuck you and But yeah,

01:14:38.710 --> 01:14:41.869
I would encourage people to actually try like

01:14:41.869 --> 01:14:44.550
yeah and not to feel ashamed of that It's it's

01:14:44.550 --> 01:14:47.329
a good positive thing to understand when you've

01:14:47.329 --> 01:14:49.510
done something that hurts hurt somebody else

01:14:49.510 --> 01:14:54.510
and reach out and apologize to them And also

01:14:54.510 --> 01:14:59.020
just like definitely put those podcasts In the

01:14:59.020 --> 01:15:02.119
comments about that better similar to us Give

01:15:02.119 --> 01:15:03.920
them a little shadow give them a little attention

01:15:03.920 --> 01:15:06.840
and also if you have any topics that you guys

01:15:06.840 --> 01:15:08.899
would be interested in hearing our perspective

01:15:08.899 --> 01:15:11.520
on Also flood those in the comments and don't

01:15:11.520 --> 01:15:16.739
forget to insult me make me cry Gabe make me

01:15:16.739 --> 01:15:23.100
feel things Yeah, we got to have the good balance,

01:15:23.220 --> 01:15:24.579
you know, we got to have the negatives in the

01:15:24.579 --> 01:15:28.819
positives Gabe is chaotic evil. Yeah, so every

01:15:28.819 --> 01:15:32.319
so for every negative comment, I'm expecting

01:15:32.319 --> 01:15:35.300
a like on this video as well. I will be counting.

01:15:35.420 --> 01:15:37.380
I will be holding accountable. I will find your

01:15:37.380 --> 01:15:43.579
IP address and send the letter. Oh, my God. Oh.

01:15:45.220 --> 01:15:51.319
But yeah, insult me like the video. Any other

01:15:51.319 --> 01:16:03.510
closing thoughts before I just. Well, I'll just

01:16:03.510 --> 01:16:06.810
say thank you guys for watching I do have a patreon

01:16:06.810 --> 01:16:11.590
patreon .com slash song of brain If you think

01:16:11.590 --> 01:16:13.869
remember ten thousand dollars, we'll talk shit

01:16:13.869 --> 01:16:16.390
about our exes. Oh my god. Yeah, don't forget

01:16:16.390 --> 01:16:20.630
about that. That's totally gays doing now No,

01:16:20.729 --> 01:16:24.029
I'll do it. Fuck it Oh, I'll drop names, too.

01:16:24.050 --> 01:16:28.930
You want names? OK. In our job podcast. Hey,

01:16:28.949 --> 01:16:31.350
I didn't say the name of any of the managers.

01:16:31.829 --> 01:16:33.789
You said the name of the company. That's a no.

01:16:34.930 --> 01:16:38.310
But anyway, anyway, you guys will be back soon.

01:16:39.109 --> 01:16:41.829
And like I said, I'm going to try to post at

01:16:41.829 --> 01:16:45.689
least one podcast a month with my full time job.

01:16:46.170 --> 01:16:47.989
Everything is going on so that I can have a good

01:16:47.989 --> 01:16:50.829
backlog. So. This one's probably coming out in

01:16:50.829 --> 01:16:52.850
at like maybe like a month after it was recorded

01:16:52.850 --> 01:16:56.210
or two So just keep you know, keep tuning in

01:16:56.210 --> 01:16:58.970
let us know which ones you like versus which

01:16:58.970 --> 01:17:02.210
ones you think could be better Constructive feedback

01:17:02.210 --> 01:17:04.789
is always great. Um, if you just are here to

01:17:04.789 --> 01:17:06.729
be an asshole like go do something with your

01:17:06.729 --> 01:17:09.420
life and think about your choices. So that way

01:17:09.420 --> 01:17:11.340
we get engagement and then move on with your

01:17:11.340 --> 01:17:13.279
life. Like literally go do something better with

01:17:13.279 --> 01:17:15.340
your life than just sit here and be hateful for

01:17:15.340 --> 01:17:18.520
no reason. Like I feel bad for you. Put love

01:17:18.520 --> 01:17:20.659
into the world, put positivity into the world,

01:17:20.939 --> 01:17:23.600
and everybody make sure you stay hydrated, stay

01:17:23.600 --> 01:17:26.819
healthy, and we'll talk to you again soon. Goodbye.

01:17:27.479 --> 01:17:27.699
Bye.