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Hello everybody. Welcome back to Real Talk with

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Rayne and today I'm with Gabe. That's me. Hello.

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We're talking about celebrity worship today and

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you know just I guess on both sides of it I have

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thoughts because you know I'm not a celebrity

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and I don't know how that life is but I can only

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assume that I almost feel like it's probably

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demeaning in a lot of ways. Like when you become

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a celebrity, you almost become more of a product

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rather than like a person. And people think that

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they are entitled to your time and your privacy.

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So I think personally, I don't know why people

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worship celebrities. I do. I'm like a joking

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way. Like Idina Menzel is my idol. Like, oh my

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God. But I also know that like, she's still just

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a person that doing a job. That doesn't mean

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that I wouldn't faint. If I met her, I would,

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but that's just because she's done something

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that, you know, she's helped me find a gift that

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really helped save my life with singing. So She's,

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you know, very much a hero to me in that way.

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I feel like people who, I'm seeing it more and

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more often right now on social media who are

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just like constantly getting upset with celebrities

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if they don't want to take pictures with them

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or they don't want to sign something. And it

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just, at the end of the day, I'm like, I can't

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even imagine like feeling that. I don't have

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the right to my own privacy in my own home and

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like, I'm always gonna like be watched around

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every corner. Yeah. I just feel like it, like

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the fame almost isn't worth it. I agree with

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that entirely like I think we're cut from the

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same cloth where it's just like we we all have

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our idols We all have our celebrities that were

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like gonna be starstruck in front of like even

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for me voice actors And like I would go see voice

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actors at cons and I would literally have My

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wife go over there on my behalf to have stuff

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signed for me because I would be too starstruck

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and too embarrassed to like talk to them, but

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but I wouldn't like That's like fine because

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that's like a con, you know, that's like a controlled

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Environment. I would not then search out that

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voice actor Outside of that con or anything because

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that's that's a boundary that I feel like a lot

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of people Sometimes don't understand is there

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especially with like the rise of social media

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where it's like now we can see more into the

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lives of these celebrities and It's almost like

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as you said they like They're treated as this

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spectacle and they don't have privacy. They don't

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have, they're not allowed to have a life. And

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then they're told in the same breath, like, this

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is what you signed up for. And it's like, that's

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not fair. That's not fair to be like, oh, this

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is your dream and this is what it costs. Like

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it shouldn't cost anything to do a job. No one

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is harassing me at my nine to five because that's

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the... Cost of me doing my job like that that

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should never be a stipulation of a career Yeah,

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and I think it's it's a lot of I guess maybe

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the human services person in me that I just I

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see people at the very core of who they are and

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I mean, I I see celebrities lashing out and a

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lot of times I'm wondering if it's Because it's

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been building up for so long and then like they

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just they feel like they can't be themselves

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or like they can't say anything they can't live

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their life i almost wonder if some celebrities

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feel like you know i miss how i felt when nobody

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knew who i was yeah and i wasn't under the microscope

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and people weren't trying to take pictures of

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me everywhere I was going so that it would be

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like in magazines about what I was wearing like

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Why do we care like that's that's my one thing

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too. It's like celebrity walks out of the gym.

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They get a picture taken. Oh, they're coming

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out of the gym. Okay Yeah, and like It's it I

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don't understand paparazzi. I don't understand

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like I get that celebrities are paid a lot of

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money and I can understand why people, you know,

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idolize them, but at the same time, it's really

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sad when I see people saying that celebrities

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are rude or they're taking, like, compilations

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of celebrities having looks at award shows or

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something, like... Yeah. You know, there was

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one of, like, Rihanna laughing at Ariana Grande

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dancing, and then people will take that and spin

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it as, like, oh, she's laughing at her. She thinks

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she's, like... She's laughing at her in like

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a mean way. Yeah. I'm like, um, for one, how

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do you know she was even laughing at her? How

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do you know that what clip wasn't taken out of

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context? How do you know that she was even reacting

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to her? How do you know that she wasn't giggling

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at her because she thought she was adorable and

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she's like lifting other women up? Like it, there's

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just so much. That can be misconstrued, especially

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in media to get ratings and to get attention.

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Yeah It's insane how we have Almost warped the

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Image of a celebrity like obviously I'm no historian.

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I don't know the history of the entertainment

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industry But it's like from the vague universal

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knowledge that I know is like we started with

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you know that classic Hollywood like Marilyn

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Monroe and her tragic death and it's like are

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we and we just continue we just continue to feed

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the idea of these people aren't people they are

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idols they are things they are objects and it's

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it's just downright cruel how that's kind of

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evolving to be worse and worse because of just

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like the internet and social media culture and

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like this idea that we feel like we need to know

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everything about this person and it's like like

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because from what I understand like with like

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late night talk shows for like before the internet,

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that was like the only way you would get a glimpse

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into what celebrities actual life would be like.

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Like what their day to day interests or oh my

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God, this celebrity actually shops at a grocery

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store. That's crazy. You would find that out

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on a talk show. But now with the internet and

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with social media, these celebrities are like,

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hey, look, this is I'm doing a TikTok live in

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my target. What should I get? You know, um So

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And that's no fault of theirs i'm not like trying

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to blame the celebrities for like wanting to

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share their life through social media but it's

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almost like Because that's part of their job

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That's something that their manager is probably

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going to encourage them to do is to have a really

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high social media presence But it's just like

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people are like they just want to take more and

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more to the point where it's just like some of

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these celebrities feel the constant need to be

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performing all the time and to be pleasant all

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the time. And it's like, sometimes I have no

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mental fortitude to interact with. Anybody like

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not even my family, not even my friends. I just

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want to I just want to be alone. So I can't imagine

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feeling like that as a celebrity and you walk

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out on the streets and just some random stranger.

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Tries to force you to do something. Meanwhile,

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you're just like I am in my sweatpants trying

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to get a fucking taco and taco bell I'm not no,

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I don't want to sign anything. I don't want to

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talk to you. I don't want to hear your life story

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towards me It's great. I appreciate you, but

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I am so tired. I want to taco and go home. Yeah

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so I Don't know it's just like it's it's because

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because we're so similar I'm sure you also can't

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fathom why people are so obsessed over a normal

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person or just a guy. It's just the dude. Like

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it's great that his or her or their work impacted

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you so much that you like follow them throughout

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their career. Like that's great. And I'm sure

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they appreciate it. Yeah, but they don't know

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you. That they don't know you exactly. It's also,

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I feel like maybe what's going through my mind

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right now is maybe it's, if we really think about

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like deep, deep down, maybe it's having the acknowledgement

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of somebody that you see as higher than yourself,

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acknowledging you and acknowledging what you've

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been through and acknowledging your existence,

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it's like that, it's like a boost of feeling

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good about yourself even for that one moment.

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Like I met Thomas Sanders and I love that man.

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Exactly the same person that you see online is

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how he is in person and he's adorable. We didn't

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talk for long, but like he, He would try to at

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least have a few minutes with everybody after

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he took a picture and just like talking to them

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and whatnot. Um, so when I walked up to him,

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you know, he, I was really insecure at this time

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because I obviously idolized him and also I was

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at my highest weight. So I thought that I looked

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really fat and I thought that I was gross and

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like, I didn't say anything. I just was kind

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of, I feel like my body language reflected that.

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Yeah. And I shit you not, this man was like,

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oh, you look gorgeous. And I was like, oh. Oh,

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thank you. He's like, you got all dressed up

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for me. You know, I'm like, I'm sorry, I'm awkward.

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He's like, no, no, no, no, no, no. If anyone

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is awkward here, it's me. I'm the most awkward

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person here. That's really nice. Yeah. He just

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made me feel so at ease. And like, he's just

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a guy. He's just a dude. Like he's just a dude

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that would like hang out with you, you know,

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but people see him differently because of the

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success. So the success of people is I think

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in our society is almost measured by how many

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people have eyes on you and how much money you

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make. Yeah. And like what you do. And in a way,

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I feel like our success should be not reflective

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on that, but reflective on what you do for the

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world, what you put into your society. Like people

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like doctors and teachers and people who are

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working behind the scenes that don't get paid

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enough. Like they don't get recognized enough

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and celebrities do. But then at the same time,

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I'm like, what, at what point does a celebrity

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almost like lose themselves too? with the fame

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because they have to be performative so often

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because even if they're having a bad day, they

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don't want to talk to somebody and then it's

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twisted in the media as they're rude to their

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fans. They don't care about their fans. They

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probably just want to be left alone. I understand

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you're not going to get a lot of chances to meet

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your idol. It's a bummer if they don't want to

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engage with you. However, you are not entitled

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to their time. or anything from them. Just because

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you see them on the screen and you know of them,

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that doesn't make them any less of a human being.

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So a lot of celebrities now, on the same thought,

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I feel like some celebrities don't want to be

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hounded, but then some celebrities also feed

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the fire of like, they get caught yelling at

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their team or I need this, I need that. And some

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people really get into the fame and fortune and

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they revel in it and they act like they revel

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in it. And so there's different people in celebrity

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life. I always like to reference Jim Carrey because

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I feel like he's kind of had a whole... journey

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through like Hollywood and then getting out of

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Hollywood and working on his painting and stuff

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like that. And he comes out and he talks a lot

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about not the secrets of Hollywood, but like

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his experiences and he hints at certain things.

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If you watch a lot of interviews, especially

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recently, he talks about like how Jim Carrey

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is like a character and not a real person and

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he kind of goes into a lot of spiritual rants

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and people think that he's insane. And I'm like,

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but are you really listening to like what he's

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saying though? Yeah. Like it might sound crazy

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surface level, but I've listened to him and he's

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talking about how you are not seen as yourself

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anymore once you reach that level, you're seen

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as what everybody else wants you to be. You have

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to stay on that to keep your job. It's like the

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worst version of customer service. Like, it's

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just terrible. I mean, I feel bad for celebrities

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that get into that life and then they're like,

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oh, I can buy anything I want. I'm living very

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comfortably, more than comfortably. But the cost

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is now I need to act like whatever my contract

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says I need to act like. And yeah. Then the people

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who are authentically themselves, like I know

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Chappell Rhone yelled at a paparazzi recently

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and was like telling him to like knock it off.

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And they were telling, I think they told Chappell

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to like shut up or something. try to hold those

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like, nah, not me. Like, don't talk to me like

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that. And then people were like, oh, Chaperone's

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hard to work with. She's rude. Blah, blah, blah,

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blah. I'm like, she stood up for herself. Like,

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yeah. What do you mean? Like, what do you mean?

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Like, I don't, I'm not like pro or like against

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Chaperone or anything. I don't know enough about

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her. I'm chronically offline, as I've said, but

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Like, I, and I'm just older, so I just don't

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follow a lot of social media people. I like,

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you know, I think I've heard one song of Chaperone's

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and that's it for right now. But it's interesting

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to me how it's misconstrued so quickly. Yeah.

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And it's not in favor of the celebrity. It's...

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Sometimes people are like, they'll see it as

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it is and like, oh, they're, they're shutting

00:16:55.370 --> 00:16:58.470
down rude interviewers. And I like to see that,

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but like, it's either they, it's very black and

00:17:02.850 --> 00:17:05.410
white. You either see the celebrity as a good

00:17:05.410 --> 00:17:07.809
person or a bad person and not just in between

00:17:07.809 --> 00:17:13.049
of everybody has bad days. Yeah. And everybody

00:17:13.049 --> 00:17:16.730
has moments where they're like, they're either

00:17:16.730 --> 00:17:18.970
really on it or they're not. And you're like

00:17:18.970 --> 00:17:22.650
Ariana Grande and Cynthia Erivo. crying at the

00:17:22.650 --> 00:17:25.529
wicked press tours constantly. People are making

00:17:25.529 --> 00:17:28.349
fun of them and saying like, Oh, are they okay?

00:17:28.509 --> 00:17:30.690
Well, I'm like, maybe they're really passionate

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about the project that they're doing. Maybe it's

00:17:34.269 --> 00:17:37.170
like so much to them that they're emotional.

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Like I know, if I had been casted to play Elphaba,

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I would have been emotional in every single interview

00:17:43.190 --> 00:17:47.529
too, like 100%. Like that character literally

00:17:47.529 --> 00:17:49.789
saved my life. That's what got me into singing.

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So I get it. And Ariana Grande has said the same

00:17:54.420 --> 00:17:58.559
thing about Glinda being her dream role. So I

00:17:58.559 --> 00:18:02.019
personally don't love Ariana Grande as a person.

00:18:02.460 --> 00:18:06.319
I feel like she's a great singer, but I don't

00:18:06.319 --> 00:18:08.700
know her. I only know of her and the things that

00:18:08.700 --> 00:18:12.960
I know of her. I'm not sure. I'm kind of like...

00:18:13.740 --> 00:18:15.960
I wouldn't say that I would hate her. I would

00:18:15.960 --> 00:18:17.819
just say like, I'm not sure I'd want to be friends

00:18:17.819 --> 00:18:19.920
with this person. I don't think I can relate

00:18:19.920 --> 00:18:24.359
to this person at all. And I think it's more

00:18:24.359 --> 00:18:27.519
just me growing over the last year or two and

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trying to think of things differently and changing

00:18:29.480 --> 00:18:36.119
my perspective of, they don't need to, it doesn't

00:18:36.119 --> 00:18:38.660
need to be one way or the other. It can just

00:18:38.660 --> 00:18:41.160
be, okay, I've heard these things that she's

00:18:41.160 --> 00:18:45.369
done, but then also, I don't know her. I don't

00:18:45.369 --> 00:18:47.750
know how much of this is true. I don't know how

00:18:47.750 --> 00:18:52.410
much of it is falsified for media. I have no

00:18:52.410 --> 00:18:57.150
idea, but I'm neutral when it comes to her. And

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I think that despite me being originally upset

00:19:01.170 --> 00:19:04.950
that she played the role of Glinda, I saw how

00:19:04.950 --> 00:19:10.910
much it meant to her and putting aside my kind

00:19:10.910 --> 00:19:17.950
of feeling apprehensive. It just, I think she

00:19:17.950 --> 00:19:20.630
did a really good job playing Glinda. I think

00:19:20.630 --> 00:19:23.230
that she brought herself to the role that it

00:19:23.230 --> 00:19:26.450
was not Ariana Grande playing Glinda, it was

00:19:26.450 --> 00:19:29.589
Glinda. And she worked with Christian Chenoweth,

00:19:29.690 --> 00:19:32.349
who was the original on Broadway, and that, you

00:19:32.349 --> 00:19:36.789
know, she had so much in this that, yes, I don't.

00:19:36.829 --> 00:19:39.549
agree that she should have been hounding the

00:19:39.549 --> 00:19:42.690
director for so long, but I'm glad to hear that

00:19:42.690 --> 00:19:45.269
she auditioned. I'm glad to hear that she was

00:19:45.269 --> 00:19:47.769
given the same chance that everybody else was.

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Yeah. And you can tell that it means a lot to

00:19:53.950 --> 00:19:58.009
her. And it's just kind of one of those things

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where I think people are so focused on their...

00:20:04.059 --> 00:20:07.740
emotions. Oh, they're crying all the time. Stop

00:20:07.740 --> 00:20:10.920
crying. I'm like, these are literally people

00:20:10.920 --> 00:20:15.420
who are living their dream right now. Even if

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you're not an emotional person, wouldn't you

00:20:18.619 --> 00:20:22.500
feel touched talking about this? Like, you know,

00:20:22.559 --> 00:20:25.380
and they're holding hands and now there's rumors

00:20:25.380 --> 00:20:27.579
about them like being together. And I'm like,

00:20:28.160 --> 00:20:30.440
so I guess I guess gal pals can't hold hands

00:20:30.440 --> 00:20:40.180
anymore. Yeah. Without them being gay. When is

00:20:40.180 --> 00:20:43.079
holding hands a sign of being in a relationship?

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You can't just be something supportive. When

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I go to get my blood drawn and if my wife can't

00:20:52.200 --> 00:20:54.480
go with me and my best friend goes with me, she'll

00:20:54.480 --> 00:20:58.759
hold my hand. Yeah. Are we together? No. It's

00:20:58.759 --> 00:21:03.089
a comforting thing. It's nice to see two women

00:21:03.089 --> 00:21:05.130
support each other, especially in Hollywood.

00:21:05.329 --> 00:21:08.670
It's nice to see a close bond like that, but

00:21:08.670 --> 00:21:11.549
then everybody in the world wants to make something

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negative out of everything. Like we can't just

00:21:15.130 --> 00:21:17.490
be happy and be positive. There always has to

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be that one person that's like, I'm not happy

00:21:19.130 --> 00:21:20.670
with my life, so I'm going to make it everybody

00:21:20.670 --> 00:21:25.630
else's problem. And then people follow suit because

00:21:25.630 --> 00:21:27.289
they want to be a part of something. They don't

00:21:27.289 --> 00:21:35.309
want to be outcasted. so That's a lot of I just

00:21:35.309 --> 00:21:40.509
went on a rant but No, that's yeah. Yeah, that's

00:21:40.509 --> 00:21:47.170
a very fair rant because I feel like Like Because

00:21:47.170 --> 00:21:51.970
people have like so much emphasis on you know

00:21:51.970 --> 00:21:58.000
out of context Stuff It's almost like they just

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feel like they have to grasp at straws to get

00:22:01.900 --> 00:22:04.700
any information, to be the first one to drop

00:22:04.700 --> 00:22:07.519
new information. You know, it's always a race

00:22:07.519 --> 00:22:11.019
to be the person who drops the latest news on

00:22:11.019 --> 00:22:14.160
a celebrity, whether or not it's true, which

00:22:14.160 --> 00:22:18.319
is entirely an entirely different conversation

00:22:18.319 --> 00:22:21.059
about the ethics of journalism that I won't get

00:22:21.059 --> 00:22:24.269
into. But that's another podcast topic of like

00:22:24.269 --> 00:22:26.549
drama channels and crap that we'll get into.

00:22:27.069 --> 00:22:28.470
Write that down, write that down. Write that

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down, write that down. But it's like, I also

00:22:33.089 --> 00:22:37.750
feel like because there's like this huge call

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for being the person who drops the latest knowledge

00:22:41.529 --> 00:22:43.769
or like the biggest secret about a celebrity,

00:22:44.730 --> 00:22:49.509
it's like celebrities will get doxed because.

00:22:49.869 --> 00:22:52.690
Even though like, yeah, yeah, it's public knowledge

00:22:52.690 --> 00:22:57.190
that, you know, this person owns a house, like

00:22:57.190 --> 00:22:58.670
that's going to be public knowledge. It's the

00:22:58.670 --> 00:23:03.009
fact that you are putting people in danger just

00:23:03.009 --> 00:23:04.849
so that way you can say, oh, I know where they

00:23:04.849 --> 00:23:09.210
live or I know the name. I know their actual

00:23:09.210 --> 00:23:11.829
name rather than their stage name. I know their

00:23:11.829 --> 00:23:14.349
whole I'm going to I'm going to talk to them.

00:23:15.130 --> 00:23:17.569
I'm going to refer to them as by their birth

00:23:17.569 --> 00:23:20.250
name. to their face, even though they don't know

00:23:20.250 --> 00:23:23.450
who I am. And that's creepy. Like if someone

00:23:23.450 --> 00:23:27.630
came to me and just legal name dropped me, I

00:23:27.630 --> 00:23:30.849
would be like, you're fucking crazy. I don't

00:23:30.849 --> 00:23:37.690
know you. Go away. And it's like and but fans

00:23:37.690 --> 00:23:40.990
and worshippers of these celebrities don't see

00:23:40.990 --> 00:23:44.170
that as like a bad thing because in their mind

00:23:44.170 --> 00:23:47.740
they're like, oh, we're so close. I know your

00:23:47.740 --> 00:23:52.519
legal name. Parasocial relationships are crazy.

00:23:53.059 --> 00:23:55.579
They are parasocial relationships are really

00:23:55.579 --> 00:24:04.500
crazy because like I can't. Like it's. I'm flabbergasted.

00:24:05.859 --> 00:24:15.430
Because I just can't imagine. Being that. Into

00:24:15.430 --> 00:24:18.529
somebody to the point that you cross that line

00:24:18.529 --> 00:24:22.190
of wanting to be in their personal life like

00:24:22.190 --> 00:24:25.609
I'll be the first to admit it that There is like

00:24:25.609 --> 00:24:27.750
some parasocial relationship going on between

00:24:27.750 --> 00:24:30.150
me and the streamers that I watch because I watched

00:24:30.150 --> 00:24:33.549
them so much I enjoy their contact that content.

00:24:33.549 --> 00:24:35.609
I think they're funny. I cheer for them when

00:24:35.609 --> 00:24:41.970
they get roles that they want or Or play games

00:24:41.970 --> 00:24:47.339
that I like But I'm not gonna be like, go up

00:24:47.339 --> 00:24:51.819
to them and be like, oh, I know your social security

00:24:51.819 --> 00:24:56.099
number. Like, that's weird. There's a line that

00:24:56.099 --> 00:25:00.180
I know, like, there's a screen between us. And

00:25:00.180 --> 00:25:05.400
I know that. And if that person that I'm watching

00:25:05.400 --> 00:25:10.720
ends up being, like, a really bad person, and,

00:25:10.720 --> 00:25:14.470
you know, like, I feel hurt by that, Right, you

00:25:14.470 --> 00:25:16.269
know, it's like even though he didn't do anything

00:25:16.269 --> 00:25:20.109
to me. I can still be like well That was kind

00:25:20.109 --> 00:25:22.150
of shitty thing to do now. I got to reevaluate

00:25:22.150 --> 00:25:26.029
how I feel about this guy Which is like another

00:25:26.029 --> 00:25:31.009
thing it's like I Feel like celebrities aren't

00:25:31.009 --> 00:25:34.069
allowed to be gray. They're only allowed to be

00:25:34.069 --> 00:25:37.750
black or white To a lot of not a lot to make

00:25:37.750 --> 00:25:40.509
mistakes there. Yeah, like they're not allowed

00:25:40.509 --> 00:25:43.759
to make mistakes. They're only either really

00:25:43.759 --> 00:25:47.799
good people or really bad people. It doesn't

00:25:47.799 --> 00:25:51.460
matter their past, it doesn't matter their background,

00:25:51.720 --> 00:25:53.660
it doesn't matter their personal experiences.

00:25:55.140 --> 00:26:01.279
They make a mistake 10 years ago, now that mistake

00:26:01.279 --> 00:26:04.259
is with them forever, no matter whether or not

00:26:04.259 --> 00:26:06.740
they were actually famous 10 years ago or not.

00:26:07.299 --> 00:26:11.579
Right. And people like dig for that shit to like

00:26:11.579 --> 00:26:13.960
the lady did it dig and dig and be like I want

00:26:13.960 --> 00:26:17.180
to ruin this person and it's like You don't even

00:26:17.180 --> 00:26:19.759
know who this person is. Like what is your problem?

00:26:20.039 --> 00:26:22.960
Like yeah, that's like literally leave them alone

00:26:22.960 --> 00:26:27.859
like leave Brittany alone like And it's not and

00:26:27.859 --> 00:26:30.859
it's like like the inverse of celebrity worship

00:26:30.859 --> 00:26:34.400
where it's just like These people hate these

00:26:34.400 --> 00:26:37.000
celebrities for no reason other than the fact

00:26:37.000 --> 00:26:40.309
that they just don't like How popular there are

00:26:40.309 --> 00:26:43.029
or they just like you can not like a person and

00:26:43.029 --> 00:26:46.569
not want to have a reason for it Like you can

00:26:46.569 --> 00:26:48.609
be like, oh, I don't like this actor and everyone's

00:26:48.609 --> 00:26:50.970
like, oh why did he do something bad? And it's

00:26:50.970 --> 00:26:54.950
like no, I just I don't like them not my style

00:26:54.950 --> 00:26:57.970
Yeah, it's like you don't need a reason to not

00:26:57.970 --> 00:27:01.410
like an actor, but some people Feel the need

00:27:01.410 --> 00:27:04.910
to be justified. And so they dig for evidence

00:27:04.910 --> 00:27:10.039
and they dig for past actions and they're like,

00:27:10.039 --> 00:27:12.940
see, see, I told you he was a bad person. And

00:27:12.940 --> 00:27:16.380
it's like, dog, he was like that was like in

00:27:16.380 --> 00:27:20.420
the 90s. You weren't even a thought yet. Like,

00:27:20.779 --> 00:27:26.680
yeah. It's in it. I think it's just the insecurity

00:27:26.680 --> 00:27:29.539
of people shining through because it's like,

00:27:29.920 --> 00:27:32.940
I need to feel like I am a part of something,

00:27:33.000 --> 00:27:38.430
whether I begin that. something or I follow suit.

00:27:38.630 --> 00:27:40.990
Like I believe people saying, Oh, I don't like

00:27:40.990 --> 00:27:42.869
this person because of X, Y, Z. And then I just

00:27:42.869 --> 00:27:46.269
blindly accept that. Yeah. I, because I need

00:27:46.269 --> 00:27:48.930
to feel wants, I have the need to feel wanted

00:27:48.930 --> 00:27:51.670
and to feel like a part of something to have

00:27:51.670 --> 00:27:53.490
people agree with me because I don't want to

00:27:53.490 --> 00:27:57.670
feel like I'm pushed out. It's a lot of people

00:27:57.670 --> 00:28:02.609
who are insecure and trying to find meaning in

00:28:02.609 --> 00:28:05.369
their lives that latch onto even the smallest

00:28:05.369 --> 00:28:10.349
things like hating a celebrity to be relevant

00:28:10.349 --> 00:28:13.950
to other people instead of actually thinking

00:28:13.950 --> 00:28:20.890
long and hard about, okay, why? Like I had a

00:28:20.890 --> 00:28:23.289
rune reading the other day in Salem Mass and

00:28:23.289 --> 00:28:29.349
it was amazing. And one of the things that the

00:28:29.349 --> 00:28:32.950
reader told me was you think about the whys.

00:28:33.420 --> 00:28:36.559
Like if we go back and we think about the whys

00:28:36.559 --> 00:28:39.720
of situations then we really get more perspective

00:28:39.720 --> 00:28:44.200
onto why that situation happens like This person

00:28:44.200 --> 00:28:47.359
is saying that they hate a celebrity why because

00:28:47.359 --> 00:28:51.420
the celebrity said They didn't like cats why?

00:28:52.240 --> 00:28:55.700
Because the celebrity had a trauma of cats. Okay,

00:28:55.700 --> 00:28:59.619
why and then it goes into Keep asking why and

00:28:59.619 --> 00:29:06.089
it goes back to the root of whatever caused this,

00:29:06.329 --> 00:29:10.009
if you really think about it. And maybe the root

00:29:10.009 --> 00:29:11.730
is the celebrity didn't like the cats because

00:29:11.730 --> 00:29:13.990
they got attacked. And then the person who is

00:29:13.990 --> 00:29:17.250
not liking the celebrity loves cats, could never

00:29:17.250 --> 00:29:20.309
have a cat. So by saying, I like the celebrity,

00:29:20.450 --> 00:29:22.869
but they don't like cats. Oh, now I can't relate

00:29:22.869 --> 00:29:27.089
to them and I'm upset with them. So that's the

00:29:27.089 --> 00:29:29.470
disconnect there. So now I'm just gonna hate

00:29:29.470 --> 00:29:32.799
them for... Not just that reason, but any reason.

00:29:33.319 --> 00:29:36.279
Just give myself something to do and a reason

00:29:36.279 --> 00:29:38.099
to hate them because I need to feel like I need

00:29:38.099 --> 00:29:41.880
to back that up now that I've said it. I can't

00:29:41.880 --> 00:29:46.799
change my mind. And you can, you can change your

00:29:46.799 --> 00:29:50.460
mind. You can always have a different opinion

00:29:50.460 --> 00:29:55.220
as you get older and you mature. You can always

00:29:55.220 --> 00:30:00.430
rethink situations and people and You don't have

00:30:00.430 --> 00:30:03.230
to agree with what other people say about the

00:30:03.230 --> 00:30:07.710
person. You are the only person whose opinion

00:30:07.710 --> 00:30:11.829
matters to you, if that makes any sense. But

00:30:11.829 --> 00:30:16.210
your opinion is your opinion, and opinions are

00:30:16.210 --> 00:30:21.589
like assholes. Every single person has one. So

00:30:21.589 --> 00:30:28.369
it doesn't make sense to me why people go on

00:30:28.730 --> 00:30:35.750
these crazy, go down these crazy rabbit holes

00:30:35.750 --> 00:30:38.250
to try to destroy a celebrity, one, who doesn't

00:30:38.250 --> 00:30:42.529
even know you exist, and two, has such a big

00:30:42.529 --> 00:30:45.990
reach that it wouldn't even matter. Yeah. At

00:30:45.990 --> 00:30:49.710
the same time, these celebrities have handlers,

00:30:49.849 --> 00:30:52.410
they have publicists, they have people who take

00:30:52.410 --> 00:30:55.849
care of that. A lot of times when celebrities

00:30:55.849 --> 00:30:58.680
post like apologies or something like that, It's

00:30:58.680 --> 00:31:02.140
not even dumb writing it. You know, if it's a

00:31:02.140 --> 00:31:04.480
huge celebrity and it's like a text on Instagram,

00:31:04.619 --> 00:31:06.980
like that a lot of times is just a text that

00:31:06.980 --> 00:31:08.920
was written by their team to be like, this is

00:31:08.920 --> 00:31:11.240
what you need to say in order to get out of more

00:31:11.240 --> 00:31:15.960
trouble. But even then, you know, people don't

00:31:15.960 --> 00:31:19.599
care and they don't see that as genuine, you

00:31:19.599 --> 00:31:21.720
know what I mean? So yeah, it doesn't matter

00:31:21.720 --> 00:31:23.500
if it's written by the celebrity or written by

00:31:23.500 --> 00:31:27.289
their team, no matter what it. when you have

00:31:27.289 --> 00:31:31.769
done something in the public eye and people don't

00:31:31.769 --> 00:31:37.650
know how to have their own opinions and are afraid

00:31:37.650 --> 00:31:43.250
to stand out from the crowd, they will just blindly

00:31:43.250 --> 00:31:47.589
accept what's said about somebody, even if they

00:31:47.589 --> 00:31:50.789
met that person and actually hung out with them,

00:31:50.930 --> 00:31:57.720
you might think very differently. Yeah. Yeah,

00:31:57.720 --> 00:32:01.259
I have a question for you because I'm pondering

00:32:01.259 --> 00:32:03.839
this and I don't know if you agree to with this

00:32:03.839 --> 00:32:07.099
or if you have thoughts but Do you think that

00:32:07.099 --> 00:32:11.319
like so there's like Hollywood celebrities? In

00:32:11.319 --> 00:32:13.700
my mind, there's like different kinds of celebrities.

00:32:13.700 --> 00:32:15.960
There's the Hollywood celebrities. That's you

00:32:15.960 --> 00:32:19.859
know, your actors your actresses Usually in like

00:32:19.859 --> 00:32:22.920
TV shows big movies and then there's like YouTube

00:32:22.920 --> 00:32:25.900
celebrities, you know Strictly on YouTube. Sometimes

00:32:25.900 --> 00:32:28.759
they go into TV shows and stuff, but they're

00:32:28.759 --> 00:32:33.279
mostly known and grew on YouTube do you think

00:32:33.279 --> 00:32:39.319
there is a stronger worship culture with YouTube

00:32:39.319 --> 00:32:43.259
celebrities versus TV celebrities because that's

00:32:43.259 --> 00:32:47.480
how I Think it's going but I'm curious about

00:32:47.480 --> 00:32:51.119
your thoughts. I think that at first when YouTube

00:32:51.119 --> 00:32:55.640
was a thing no because it really just started

00:32:55.640 --> 00:32:59.539
out as a fun way to share videos on the internet.

00:33:00.059 --> 00:33:03.740
Now that people have gone from YouTube to movies

00:33:03.740 --> 00:33:08.740
or YouTube to something very successful, I think

00:33:08.740 --> 00:33:13.180
that line has been blurred. And so now YouTube

00:33:13.180 --> 00:33:17.940
is almost seen as the way of not the easy way

00:33:17.940 --> 00:33:22.119
of getting into Hollywood, but like a step to

00:33:22.220 --> 00:33:24.819
get noticed, at least to put yourself out there

00:33:24.819 --> 00:33:27.420
if you don't have the resources otherwise to

00:33:27.420 --> 00:33:31.839
like go to LA or go and meet with people. Like

00:33:31.839 --> 00:33:35.559
that's definitely something that I can see. Like

00:33:35.559 --> 00:33:39.160
for me, having my singing covers out, like I

00:33:39.160 --> 00:33:42.299
would love for one day if, you know, I had somebody

00:33:42.299 --> 00:33:45.140
who was like, Oh, I love it. Like let's work

00:33:45.140 --> 00:33:49.660
together. Cool. Um, but I don't expect that.

00:33:51.560 --> 00:33:56.440
to be a reality. I think that people assume that

00:33:56.440 --> 00:33:59.200
when somebody is starting to grow on YouTube

00:33:59.200 --> 00:34:02.059
that they're automatically on the path to becoming

00:34:02.059 --> 00:34:04.960
successful and being a bigger household name.

00:34:05.960 --> 00:34:08.059
That's not the case. Like there are many people

00:34:08.059 --> 00:34:10.500
who have a lot of YouTube success and they're

00:34:10.500 --> 00:34:13.340
just comfortable in their life and they don't

00:34:13.340 --> 00:34:15.559
move on to doing Hollywood or anything because

00:34:15.559 --> 00:34:17.739
they don't want to. They just wanted to like...

00:34:17.869 --> 00:34:20.630
play games or something and then their channel

00:34:20.630 --> 00:34:26.050
blew up and You know, it's it's a success story

00:34:26.050 --> 00:34:30.989
and yeah good for them, but I think it also discounts

00:34:30.989 --> 00:34:37.110
a lot of people that are actually doing Some

00:34:37.110 --> 00:34:39.070
of the actors and actresses and won't say all

00:34:39.070 --> 00:34:41.829
of them but doing the work in Hollywood till

00:34:41.829 --> 00:34:45.010
I get where they are Yeah, and they're not doing

00:34:45.010 --> 00:34:48.739
YouTube. They're you know, they majored in these,

00:34:48.840 --> 00:34:52.739
they majored in performing arts. Like they started

00:34:52.739 --> 00:34:56.239
as a kid actor, as a child actor. They have like,

00:34:56.639 --> 00:34:59.960
there's all these different avenues and these

00:34:59.960 --> 00:35:02.119
different steps that people can take in order

00:35:02.119 --> 00:35:05.320
to achieve that success. And not everybody gets

00:35:05.320 --> 00:35:09.780
it. There's a lot of risk and, you know, things

00:35:09.780 --> 00:35:14.280
that you have to settle for when it comes to

00:35:14.280 --> 00:35:18.289
that. which is why I think it's interesting things

00:35:18.289 --> 00:35:23.070
like, what is the word? Channels like Smosh.

00:35:23.369 --> 00:35:26.690
Yeah. Which I love. I love their channel. I love

00:35:26.690 --> 00:35:30.110
Smosh. I love Smosh. And, you know, they make

00:35:30.110 --> 00:35:33.289
fun of it being like all the Disney, like child

00:35:33.289 --> 00:35:36.949
actors come on and work at Smosh. But like, it's

00:35:36.949 --> 00:35:41.710
kind of like, it's a nice thing because, you

00:35:41.710 --> 00:35:43.750
know, in a way they have something to bond over

00:35:43.750 --> 00:35:46.929
and they have, different, they have different

00:35:46.929 --> 00:35:49.269
upbringings, they have different stories and

00:35:49.269 --> 00:35:51.829
life paths, but they can share that one experience

00:35:51.829 --> 00:35:55.710
with each other and work together and still be

00:35:55.710 --> 00:36:00.150
acting. Maybe it's not in the way that they want

00:36:00.150 --> 00:36:02.369
to be acting, you know, I'm sure that they all

00:36:02.369 --> 00:36:05.550
would like to, at least some of them I know have

00:36:05.550 --> 00:36:08.530
gone to do commercials and movies and, you know,

00:36:08.550 --> 00:36:12.510
but that it's a gig by gig process. And when

00:36:12.510 --> 00:36:14.730
I was younger, I didn't realize that I didn't

00:36:14.730 --> 00:36:17.090
realize that that's how Hollywood worked, which

00:36:17.090 --> 00:36:18.969
is why my parents were like, don't put all your

00:36:18.969 --> 00:36:21.949
eggs in one basket with the acting stuff, because

00:36:21.949 --> 00:36:26.449
it's legitimately it's you have to be really

00:36:26.449 --> 00:36:30.250
lucky or really good and have a really good agent

00:36:30.250 --> 00:36:34.650
to get constant work. Yeah. And that doesn't

00:36:34.650 --> 00:36:38.190
happen for everybody. So it's nice to have something

00:36:38.190 --> 00:36:42.900
to have that is stable. that's still what you

00:36:42.900 --> 00:36:46.699
love to do. And so I like to watch Smosh because

00:36:46.699 --> 00:36:49.280
I, you know, you get to see these actors who

00:36:49.280 --> 00:36:52.000
genuinely enjoy being around other actors and

00:36:52.000 --> 00:36:55.619
being around other creatives. And they're, a

00:36:55.619 --> 00:36:57.860
lot of them are millennials and they make fun

00:36:57.860 --> 00:37:00.320
of that a lot too. And I appreciate the millennial

00:37:00.320 --> 00:37:05.900
humor because I am also a millennial. And people

00:37:05.900 --> 00:37:11.159
still idolize them to the point of I'm sure when

00:37:11.159 --> 00:37:13.980
they get, you know, they have fans come up and

00:37:13.980 --> 00:37:17.780
meet them that fans are, you know, sometimes

00:37:17.780 --> 00:37:21.400
uncomfortable towards them. Yeah. And you also

00:37:21.400 --> 00:37:24.059
have to like think about that person. How do

00:37:24.059 --> 00:37:27.659
I respond to the situation? I can't rude. I can't

00:37:27.659 --> 00:37:30.739
like be like, you're freaking me out, bro. Like,

00:37:31.000 --> 00:37:32.860
because then they're going to see that as, oh,

00:37:32.860 --> 00:37:35.139
you're rude or oh, you didn't like me because

00:37:35.139 --> 00:37:38.579
of X, Y, Z and it, it'll be taken out of context.

00:37:39.019 --> 00:37:41.619
So. It doesn't matter if it's Hollywood or YouTube,

00:37:41.719 --> 00:37:43.860
it doesn't matter. As long as you're in the public

00:37:43.860 --> 00:37:48.199
eye in some way, there might be people who become

00:37:48.199 --> 00:37:51.239
obsessed with that person, whether it's a good,

00:37:51.699 --> 00:37:53.960
in a good way or a bad way. Like I don't think

00:37:53.960 --> 00:37:56.659
there's ever a good way to be obsessed, but like

00:37:56.659 --> 00:38:00.019
they're obsessed with them in like a worshiping

00:38:00.019 --> 00:38:02.280
way or they're obsessed in like, I wanna ruin

00:38:02.280 --> 00:38:06.800
your life way. And... both of those, there's

00:38:06.800 --> 00:38:09.780
no middle ground. There's no gray area of, oh,

00:38:09.800 --> 00:38:12.019
I just, I see you as a person and I enjoy your

00:38:12.019 --> 00:38:15.179
work. And, you know, when you're younger, it's

00:38:15.179 --> 00:38:17.599
harder to see it that way because you're so excited

00:38:17.599 --> 00:38:20.739
and there's nothing wrong with that. But don't

00:38:20.739 --> 00:38:25.420
be leaking personal information. Don't be sharing,

00:38:25.960 --> 00:38:28.860
like making up stories about somebody or like,

00:38:29.239 --> 00:38:32.179
you know, there's just been so much of that in

00:38:32.179 --> 00:38:35.500
the world. And yeah. Celebrities go through so

00:38:35.500 --> 00:38:39.940
much already that we don't see. And we just assume

00:38:39.940 --> 00:38:42.559
that we know because of what we see in the media.

00:38:42.639 --> 00:38:45.480
That's not even like an eighth of what these

00:38:45.480 --> 00:38:48.659
people go through every day. Mm -hmm. I agree.

00:38:49.219 --> 00:38:52.280
Do you think there's like... Because obviously,

00:38:52.340 --> 00:38:54.139
you know, celebrities are just people. We've

00:38:54.139 --> 00:38:56.519
made that point. Like, we basically beat that

00:38:56.519 --> 00:39:02.739
point with the rock. But I guess, like, conversely,

00:39:02.800 --> 00:39:06.780
like... because they're in the public eye so

00:39:06.780 --> 00:39:09.960
much, do you think there is almost like a sense

00:39:09.960 --> 00:39:14.099
of responsibility for celebrities to, you know,

00:39:14.260 --> 00:39:19.699
be vocal about social issues or to be, um, on

00:39:19.699 --> 00:39:23.679
the quote -unquote correct side of things? Um,

00:39:23.900 --> 00:39:26.480
because obviously most of that can be, like,

00:39:26.719 --> 00:39:31.699
very up to interpretation, but, like, do you

00:39:31.699 --> 00:39:36.030
feel like there is... almost a pressure from

00:39:36.030 --> 00:39:40.070
the general public towards celebrities to have

00:39:40.070 --> 00:39:44.250
An opinion on anything political or anything

00:39:44.250 --> 00:39:48.110
like because like yeah, that's it like not to

00:39:48.110 --> 00:39:51.710
bring up chaperone again, but I but it's like

00:39:51.710 --> 00:39:55.329
Um, because I remember vaguely one of her comfort

00:39:55.329 --> 00:39:58.610
controversies that i've heard about I i'm gonna

00:39:58.610 --> 00:40:01.420
probably get all the information wrong But the

00:40:01.420 --> 00:40:05.260
gist of it is like, um, what I heard from someone

00:40:05.260 --> 00:40:07.380
else who heard it from someone else was that,

00:40:07.380 --> 00:40:13.139
um, she was talking about, I think the election

00:40:13.139 --> 00:40:17.960
that just passed between, uh, good old 47 and,

00:40:17.960 --> 00:40:25.599
uh, Kamala. And she said that because of Kamala's

00:40:25.599 --> 00:40:29.539
stance, Like she didn't have like the most vocal

00:40:29.539 --> 00:40:35.980
strong stance against Protecting those in Palestine

00:40:35.980 --> 00:40:39.119
that she did not feel comfortable voting for

00:40:39.119 --> 00:40:48.079
Kamala or 47 And So a lot of people were very

00:40:48.079 --> 00:40:53.239
upset with her for voicing that opinion and it's

00:40:53.239 --> 00:40:56.739
and you know, like I guess that brings back to

00:40:56.739 --> 00:41:00.420
the question of like did she have the political

00:41:00.420 --> 00:41:04.820
responsibility to be like to hide that opinion

00:41:04.820 --> 00:41:08.679
of hers and be like oh no vote blue or you know

00:41:08.679 --> 00:41:12.019
like oh vote vote this way like like obviously

00:41:12.019 --> 00:41:16.940
celebrity endorsements do matter but do they

00:41:16.940 --> 00:41:20.500
have to endorse to be to prove the fact that

00:41:20.500 --> 00:41:23.940
they're like a good person or they're like They

00:41:23.940 --> 00:41:27.900
care about rights like if you wanted someone's

00:41:27.900 --> 00:41:31.360
true opinion and they give it to you And it's

00:41:31.360 --> 00:41:37.059
not the true opinion that you want What you can't

00:41:37.059 --> 00:41:40.260
be mad at that I would think I don't know what

00:41:40.260 --> 00:41:42.400
it's like people being it's like people being

00:41:42.400 --> 00:41:45.719
assholes like you know you ask and then you don't

00:41:45.719 --> 00:41:49.559
like the answer like I I'm personally somebody

00:41:49.559 --> 00:41:51.920
who doesn't understand a lot of politics like

00:41:51.920 --> 00:41:56.519
I understand certain things. I majored in like

00:41:56.519 --> 00:41:59.539
women's and gender studies. So I mainly am educated

00:41:59.539 --> 00:42:02.579
when it comes to human rights, like LGBTQ IP

00:42:02.579 --> 00:42:06.420
plus rights. I'm not I'm not very educated and

00:42:06.420 --> 00:42:10.480
it comes to like oil and gas and taxes. And I'm

00:42:10.480 --> 00:42:13.159
like, yeah, I understand any of this shit. Like,

00:42:13.280 --> 00:42:15.840
I don't get it. So I'm not going to say anything

00:42:15.840 --> 00:42:19.239
because I don't understand. And so I think a

00:42:19.239 --> 00:42:21.739
lot of people just again, it goes back to like

00:42:21.949 --> 00:42:24.710
you either need to be on our side or their side.

00:42:24.789 --> 00:42:27.650
And it's us versus them. It's like that episode

00:42:27.650 --> 00:42:29.489
in SpongeBob where they're having a snowball

00:42:29.489 --> 00:42:32.949
fight. And it's like, Squidward's on my side.

00:42:33.090 --> 00:42:36.170
No, this one is on my side. And it's like, Squidward's

00:42:36.170 --> 00:42:38.789
like, no, I'm not on your side either. I'm on

00:42:38.789 --> 00:42:43.250
nobody's side. Like, I'm just here. But that's

00:42:43.250 --> 00:42:46.110
not allowed in society because society is like,

00:42:46.250 --> 00:42:48.190
well, you need to be a part of something. You

00:42:48.190 --> 00:42:51.139
need to be... either with us or against us and

00:42:51.139 --> 00:42:53.780
there's no meaning and that's a horrible way

00:42:53.780 --> 00:42:57.519
to think about things like people can have opinions

00:42:57.519 --> 00:43:02.380
and not like I don't feel like people should

00:43:02.380 --> 00:43:09.059
be getting harassed for you know how I don't

00:43:09.059 --> 00:43:13.420
know I for that I think it for a celebrity they

00:43:13.420 --> 00:43:17.460
do have I think some level of responsibility

00:43:17.849 --> 00:43:20.929
to voice those opinions because they have such

00:43:20.929 --> 00:43:25.210
a large reach that it's important for them to

00:43:25.210 --> 00:43:29.570
talk about hard topics and important topics because

00:43:29.570 --> 00:43:33.730
they can help with their reach educate the masses

00:43:33.730 --> 00:43:37.909
on why these topics are important, why these

00:43:37.909 --> 00:43:41.190
rights are important. I also feel like though

00:43:41.190 --> 00:43:43.769
they should not be forced one way or another

00:43:43.769 --> 00:43:47.880
just to appease public eye or like have to go

00:43:47.880 --> 00:43:51.340
against their morals or their beliefs just to

00:43:51.340 --> 00:43:55.900
stay like safe. Yeah. I feel like that's it's

00:43:55.900 --> 00:43:58.539
like a way of keeping them silent and keeping

00:43:58.539 --> 00:44:02.559
them complacent where they may not feel that

00:44:02.559 --> 00:44:06.599
way. And I think that like politics get really

00:44:06.599 --> 00:44:11.340
dicey because politicians are all like shady.

00:44:11.340 --> 00:44:14.989
I feel like all of them. Absolutely. because

00:44:14.989 --> 00:44:17.869
people in general are shady. So going into power

00:44:17.869 --> 00:44:20.250
is just going to make you more shady. Like it's

00:44:20.250 --> 00:44:23.489
just, it's like the worst kind of celebrity.

00:44:24.630 --> 00:44:30.329
All eyes are on you. And I think it's people

00:44:30.329 --> 00:44:32.389
all have different opinions and they all have

00:44:32.389 --> 00:44:37.809
different morals. And instead of us like seeing

00:44:37.809 --> 00:44:44.079
it that way, I think people want to They want

00:44:44.079 --> 00:44:46.360
to demonize everything instead of the things

00:44:46.360 --> 00:44:50.659
that need to be actually demonized. Yeah, I agree

00:44:50.659 --> 00:44:53.579
with that. The issues like be demonized need

00:44:53.579 --> 00:44:56.340
to be demonized. But if it's something as like,

00:44:56.360 --> 00:44:59.340
so I don't know a lot about, you know, Chappell,

00:44:59.500 --> 00:45:01.619
not, you know, I don't know about that situation.

00:45:01.619 --> 00:45:05.360
So I'm not really going to comment on it. But

00:45:05.360 --> 00:45:07.820
I mean, if if Chappell Rowan came out and said,

00:45:07.900 --> 00:45:10.139
this is my opinion, like that's her opinion.

00:45:10.139 --> 00:45:13.260
And she's allowed to have an opinion. Like it's

00:45:13.070 --> 00:45:15.070
That doesn't mean that she's like, oh, go, you

00:45:15.070 --> 00:45:19.949
know, like, middle finger to whoever. It just,

00:45:20.530 --> 00:45:24.369
maybe she's unsure. Maybe there's, you know,

00:45:24.489 --> 00:45:27.369
you don't know what's going on. You don't know.

00:45:28.130 --> 00:45:30.650
Yeah. Yeah. And even then, it's like, I would

00:45:30.650 --> 00:45:33.949
rather a celebrity tell me with their whole chest

00:45:33.949 --> 00:45:38.400
an opinion they genuinely believe, because that...

00:45:38.400 --> 00:45:44.059
Be real. Be real, be yourself, because I'd rather

00:45:44.059 --> 00:45:47.320
a celebrity tell me straight up, like, hey, I

00:45:47.320 --> 00:45:50.019
think trans kids should die, so I can be like,

00:45:50.039 --> 00:45:52.159
okay, so your opinion doesn't matter, and I'm

00:45:52.159 --> 00:45:56.860
not gonna support you anymore, because at that

00:45:56.860 --> 00:46:00.300
point, if you're being your real, if on authentic

00:46:00.300 --> 00:46:03.559
stealth, you're going to find people, so if you're

00:46:03.559 --> 00:46:05.920
a good person and you're loud and proud about

00:46:05.920 --> 00:46:09.460
the good things, that you believe in or the opinions

00:46:09.460 --> 00:46:13.139
you have, you're going to have that support.

00:46:13.139 --> 00:46:17.980
But if you try to hide opinions or hide your

00:46:17.980 --> 00:46:22.340
thoughts, it's like, are you really a real person

00:46:22.340 --> 00:46:25.000
or are you just being a little piece of shit

00:46:25.000 --> 00:46:28.980
and being like a little PR angel just so that

00:46:28.980 --> 00:46:32.239
way you could steal my 20 bucks to see your movie?

00:46:32.460 --> 00:46:36.480
Like. It's it's one of those things where it's

00:46:36.480 --> 00:46:40.559
like. I'd rather a celebrity, even if I don't

00:46:40.559 --> 00:46:44.039
100 % agree with their opinion, I'd rather hear

00:46:44.039 --> 00:46:47.539
them have an opinion on something that is very

00:46:47.539 --> 00:46:52.840
nuanced than to be like, oh, yes, 100 % for this

00:46:52.840 --> 00:46:55.380
one. That's the correct one, correct? You know,

00:46:55.460 --> 00:46:58.179
like, it sounds so disingenuous if they just

00:46:58.179 --> 00:47:01.659
regurgitate what everyone else is saying. It's

00:47:01.659 --> 00:47:03.420
kind of like they have, like, a gun to their

00:47:03.420 --> 00:47:06.880
head. kind of like it's like what does it say

00:47:06.880 --> 00:47:09.699
the right thing or else like and then it goes

00:47:09.699 --> 00:47:13.300
into like people thinking that they are responsible

00:47:13.300 --> 00:47:15.719
for that celebrity success I'm the reason that

00:47:15.719 --> 00:47:18.900
you're famous like my my two dollars listening

00:47:18.900 --> 00:47:21.059
to your song on Spotify is the reason you're

00:47:21.059 --> 00:47:24.960
no you're not like you're a part of the reason

00:47:24.960 --> 00:47:27.159
they're famous and I'm sure they appreciate you

00:47:27.159 --> 00:47:31.900
but don't get cocky like they're famous because

00:47:31.900 --> 00:47:36.199
they got famous for themselves. They have talent,

00:47:36.199 --> 00:47:39.500
you know, and some people don't really have that

00:47:39.500 --> 00:47:41.980
talent, but you know what, it's, it's subjective

00:47:41.980 --> 00:47:46.460
too. Like people that are so entitled to think

00:47:46.460 --> 00:47:49.000
that they're the reason somebody has success

00:47:49.000 --> 00:47:52.940
is a very arrogant way of looking at things.

00:47:53.000 --> 00:47:55.480
And then that goes into the same thing of like,

00:47:55.780 --> 00:47:57.860
well, because I helped you become successful,

00:47:57.920 --> 00:48:01.119
you need to agree with me or I'm not going to

00:48:01.119 --> 00:48:05.840
support you anymore. This person is still gonna

00:48:05.840 --> 00:48:09.099
be doing what they're doing with or without your

00:48:09.099 --> 00:48:13.360
support. They're gonna go on living their lives.

00:48:14.039 --> 00:48:15.840
They're still gonna act, they're still gonna

00:48:15.840 --> 00:48:17.760
make music. They're still gonna do what they're

00:48:17.760 --> 00:48:20.900
gonna do and if you wanna kick the wall and scream

00:48:20.900 --> 00:48:23.880
at the wall, go ahead, but you're not gonna get

00:48:23.880 --> 00:48:26.320
anywhere except you're gonna just hurt yourself.

00:48:27.320 --> 00:48:30.559
You need to do something productive if you don't

00:48:30.559 --> 00:48:34.420
want to support somebody anymore, don't support

00:48:34.420 --> 00:48:36.440
them. You don't have to make it everybody else's

00:48:36.440 --> 00:48:39.019
problem. Just don't support them and go about

00:48:39.019 --> 00:48:43.059
your business. Yeah. There's no reason for a

00:48:43.059 --> 00:48:46.360
needless drama and spreading more negativity

00:48:46.360 --> 00:48:48.699
into the world that we already have too much

00:48:48.699 --> 00:48:53.960
of. And it's just, it's always, you know, we're

00:48:53.960 --> 00:48:58.099
always so divided as people that the idea of

00:48:58.099 --> 00:49:00.699
us ever coming together on anything seems like

00:49:00.760 --> 00:49:03.300
so far -fetched, like it's never gonna happen

00:49:03.300 --> 00:49:07.079
because we'll all want to be right. And it's

00:49:07.079 --> 00:49:12.099
either they're right or it's like they're right

00:49:12.099 --> 00:49:14.340
and you're wrong. There's no community. There

00:49:14.340 --> 00:49:16.980
is no agreement. There's no middle ground. It's

00:49:16.980 --> 00:49:27.159
just constant chaos. And it's sad and it's frustrating

00:49:27.159 --> 00:49:32.530
because I can only imagine being somebody that

00:49:32.530 --> 00:49:37.750
has that kind of reputation and reach for people,

00:49:38.289 --> 00:49:45.230
I don't know if I would be able to handle that

00:49:45.230 --> 00:49:49.070
because I would be like, I have massive anxiety

00:49:49.070 --> 00:49:54.460
and I feel like it... I already try to like think

00:49:54.460 --> 00:49:56.860
before I talk because a lot of times, to be really

00:49:56.860 --> 00:49:59.019
honest, I feel like I sound stupid or like I

00:49:59.019 --> 00:50:01.420
go on like rants and I make no sense. So a lot

00:50:01.420 --> 00:50:05.840
of times I just either don't comment or I might

00:50:05.840 --> 00:50:07.980
repeat the same thing and just in a different

00:50:07.980 --> 00:50:13.380
way. But to me, it's because I'm like, I don't

00:50:13.380 --> 00:50:17.019
I don't know. You know what I mean? Like, yeah,

00:50:17.019 --> 00:50:21.070
it's like a lot of pressure for sure. Like I

00:50:21.070 --> 00:50:25.309
also I I would rather die than being a celebrity

00:50:25.309 --> 00:50:28.929
even if it's like Something that I would like

00:50:28.929 --> 00:50:31.170
like, oh, I would love to get my art out there

00:50:31.170 --> 00:50:33.670
I would love to be like well known and stuff,

00:50:33.670 --> 00:50:37.409
but it's like I'd rather I'd rather just be in

00:50:37.409 --> 00:50:42.929
a halt like I don't even Try like obviously there's

00:50:42.929 --> 00:50:45.510
gonna be pictures of me out there because I live

00:50:45.510 --> 00:50:50.510
in a digital age, but it's like I try to not

00:50:50.510 --> 00:50:56.530
be associated, like associate my image, like

00:50:56.530 --> 00:51:04.670
IRL, like my actual form with my digital space,

00:51:04.849 --> 00:51:09.349
just because I'm like, I don't want anyone to

00:51:09.349 --> 00:51:11.670
know who I am or what I look like, because that

00:51:11.670 --> 00:51:16.070
is a lot of pressure. And again, it's a lot of

00:51:16.070 --> 00:51:20.510
anxiety to be known as like, Oh, hey, I've seen

00:51:20.510 --> 00:51:22.690
your face before. You're this guy. And I'm like,

00:51:22.750 --> 00:51:26.869
I know I'm not. I'm just a guy. It's my doppelganger.

00:51:27.389 --> 00:51:29.530
Yeah, it's just like, no, no, I just look like

00:51:29.530 --> 00:51:33.110
him. I'm actually here for bananas. Like, I don't

00:51:33.110 --> 00:51:36.329
know. Why are you talking to me? I'm in the Grateful

00:51:36.329 --> 00:51:39.590
Store. Like, that's, again, like my biggest fear

00:51:39.590 --> 00:51:46.059
is like being known as anything. I think it's

00:51:46.059 --> 00:51:48.159
like wanting to be comfortable. I think a lot

00:51:48.159 --> 00:51:50.199
of people think of fame as like, I don't want

00:51:50.199 --> 00:51:52.820
to struggle anymore. Like I don't want to, you

00:51:52.820 --> 00:51:55.320
know, have to like some people get into it for

00:51:55.320 --> 00:51:58.559
the right reasons. Like for me, I, I would love

00:51:58.559 --> 00:52:02.010
to. have a wider audience, but not to the point

00:52:02.010 --> 00:52:04.250
where I don't feel the need to go to Hollywood

00:52:04.250 --> 00:52:07.590
and be famous and blah, blah, blah, blah. I just

00:52:07.590 --> 00:52:10.070
feel like for me, my goal at the end of the day

00:52:10.070 --> 00:52:13.789
is to have a comfortable life where because of

00:52:13.789 --> 00:52:16.409
the chronic illness that I have, working nine

00:52:16.409 --> 00:52:18.670
to five is difficult for me. I still do it, but

00:52:18.670 --> 00:52:22.050
it's difficult. If at some point I could just

00:52:22.050 --> 00:52:24.869
work for myself and make enough money that I

00:52:24.869 --> 00:52:27.150
could support myself, my family, and the people

00:52:27.150 --> 00:52:30.760
that I'm working with, That's the dream. I don't

00:52:30.760 --> 00:52:33.239
have to make millions of dollars, but I would

00:52:33.239 --> 00:52:35.119
love to be able to be like, Hey, you know what,

00:52:35.139 --> 00:52:38.119
let's get pizza and not worry about it. Yeah.

00:52:38.320 --> 00:52:41.000
You know what I mean? I agree with that. Very

00:52:41.000 --> 00:52:44.480
comfortable, like a good middle ground. I don't

00:52:44.480 --> 00:52:47.659
need a Ferrari. I don't need a big house. Like

00:52:47.659 --> 00:52:50.760
I don't need any of these things that as a kid,

00:52:50.760 --> 00:52:53.340
I was like, Oh, I would love to be like famous

00:52:53.340 --> 00:52:56.800
and have three mansions and you know, but as

00:52:56.800 --> 00:52:59.929
I get older, I'm like, I just I just want to

00:52:59.929 --> 00:53:03.969
be able to go out and, you know, go on random

00:53:03.969 --> 00:53:07.610
dates with my wife and us not have to worry about

00:53:07.610 --> 00:53:11.550
groceries or gas, things like that. And it doesn't

00:53:11.550 --> 00:53:13.989
have to be a lot, but it just, just comfortable,

00:53:14.309 --> 00:53:16.929
like just successful enough that people enjoy

00:53:16.929 --> 00:53:19.550
the work that I do. And I can work for myself

00:53:19.550 --> 00:53:21.769
so I can take some of that pressure off of myself

00:53:21.769 --> 00:53:26.230
when I'm sick. And you know, it just, it feels

00:53:26.230 --> 00:53:29.619
like it would my goal would be to be able to

00:53:29.619 --> 00:53:35.519
do that because one, I have the ability to put

00:53:35.519 --> 00:53:38.500
these stories out or put my voice out and do

00:53:38.500 --> 00:53:40.860
those things that allow me to have a creative

00:53:40.860 --> 00:53:44.199
outlet, but also give back to the creative community.

00:53:45.139 --> 00:53:48.679
And I would love for that to be my full -time

00:53:48.679 --> 00:53:51.019
job, but I also acknowledge that that's a very

00:53:51.019 --> 00:53:53.960
difficult task and that doesn't happen for everybody.

00:53:54.349 --> 00:53:57.449
And I'm okay with it not happening for me. Like

00:53:57.449 --> 00:54:02.610
I, you know, I feel like I manifest that I will

00:54:02.610 --> 00:54:05.230
be successful, but I also feel like I'm successful

00:54:05.230 --> 00:54:08.750
in other ways in my life. Like I'm successful

00:54:08.750 --> 00:54:12.030
in the way of I've learned a lot in the past

00:54:12.030 --> 00:54:15.349
year. I've grown a lot as a person. I have done

00:54:15.349 --> 00:54:18.650
so much work on myself just in the past year

00:54:18.650 --> 00:54:27.510
that I, it's insane. how quickly and how drastically

00:54:27.510 --> 00:54:35.010
you can change your mindset. You can change yourself

00:54:35.010 --> 00:54:39.550
for the better or for the worse. Like just, you

00:54:39.550 --> 00:54:41.389
know, you being a normal Joe or a celebrity,

00:54:41.590 --> 00:54:43.670
they can change and they should be allowed to

00:54:43.670 --> 00:54:47.309
have that change in that journey of finding out

00:54:47.309 --> 00:54:51.719
who you are as a person and what... what calls

00:54:51.719 --> 00:54:54.900
to you and calls to your heart and soul. That's

00:54:54.900 --> 00:54:56.719
what's important at the end of the day. You are

00:54:56.719 --> 00:55:00.159
with yourself at the end of the day. Like having

00:55:00.159 --> 00:55:05.699
people agree with you is great, but what is the

00:55:05.699 --> 00:55:09.719
cost if it's something that you don't truly believe

00:55:09.719 --> 00:55:13.619
in or you're not standing behind it. You're just

00:55:13.619 --> 00:55:17.139
doing it so that you don't get people being assholes

00:55:17.139 --> 00:55:21.260
to you. And I think there's so much entitlement

00:55:21.260 --> 00:55:25.559
now with the internet and with media that, you

00:55:25.559 --> 00:55:28.760
know, even in interviews that I've seen with

00:55:28.760 --> 00:55:32.900
like celebrities and they ask the guys like about

00:55:32.900 --> 00:55:35.179
questions of, you know, what's your workout routine?

00:55:35.320 --> 00:55:37.980
And then they talk to like the women are like,

00:55:38.179 --> 00:55:40.360
oh yeah, you're wearing like the sexy cat suit.

00:55:40.400 --> 00:55:42.960
Like, did you have to like eat anything specific?

00:55:43.000 --> 00:55:46.880
I'm like, that is a personal. Like a question,

00:55:47.500 --> 00:55:49.400
like why don't you ask them like, you're like

00:55:49.400 --> 00:55:51.099
essentially asking them what kind of underwear

00:55:51.099 --> 00:55:54.159
they're wearing. Like it's, can you talk to them

00:55:54.159 --> 00:55:56.760
about who they are as a person? Maybe their process

00:55:56.760 --> 00:56:00.780
of getting into character or like anything outside

00:56:00.780 --> 00:56:05.280
of their appearance. And as a celebrity, a lot

00:56:05.280 --> 00:56:09.099
of times you are reduced down to your appearance.

00:56:10.119 --> 00:56:13.610
And then your appearance. factors into like your

00:56:13.610 --> 00:56:17.650
talent. And it's, I think that there's, there's

00:56:17.650 --> 00:56:20.090
sometimes there's moments where it does matter.

00:56:20.150 --> 00:56:22.849
Like, I feel like people who see celebrities

00:56:22.849 --> 00:56:28.949
getting very, very sick, clearly, they say something

00:56:28.949 --> 00:56:33.530
because maybe they do honestly care. And it's

00:56:33.530 --> 00:56:36.210
good that the community in those ways come together.

00:56:36.329 --> 00:56:39.840
But You have to think about it in a way of not

00:56:39.840 --> 00:56:41.739
shaming that person because that's not gonna

00:56:41.739 --> 00:56:45.880
help. It's just more trying to give words of

00:56:45.880 --> 00:56:48.380
encouragement and words of like, hey, we noticed

00:56:48.380 --> 00:56:53.920
that you look a little thinner. Like, are you

00:56:53.920 --> 00:56:58.599
okay? Do you need help? And then putting that

00:56:58.599 --> 00:57:00.840
responsibility on the team around them because

00:57:00.840 --> 00:57:04.239
those people are handling. this person, they

00:57:04.239 --> 00:57:06.900
are responsible directly for this person's health.

00:57:07.900 --> 00:57:10.760
They need to be held accountable. If you're like,

00:57:10.760 --> 00:57:13.960
oh, I own you, like as you are now the person

00:57:13.960 --> 00:57:16.559
that works for me, you're my talent. You need

00:57:16.559 --> 00:57:20.480
to take care of that person then. Yeah. Like

00:57:20.480 --> 00:57:23.699
you don't own them. They can do whatever the

00:57:23.699 --> 00:57:26.699
fuck they want with their body. You need to make

00:57:26.699 --> 00:57:28.760
sure they're okay. You need to make sure that,

00:57:28.760 --> 00:57:30.340
you know, if they're not on their A game and

00:57:30.340 --> 00:57:32.889
they're not okay, They're not healthy. They're

00:57:32.889 --> 00:57:36.690
not going to be able to do their job. Yeah. So

00:57:36.690 --> 00:57:40.170
that's directly not only affecting them, but

00:57:40.170 --> 00:57:43.389
you as well as their manager or their handler

00:57:43.389 --> 00:57:47.329
or whatever. So the internet saying, are you

00:57:47.329 --> 00:57:50.809
okay? I think that's something that's good when

00:57:50.809 --> 00:57:52.889
the community comes together to share concern.

00:57:53.309 --> 00:57:55.929
It's not okay when they're like, uh, looking

00:57:55.929 --> 00:58:01.199
like a skeleton. Oh, dead emoji. Like, you don't

00:58:01.199 --> 00:58:03.659
gotta be mean about it. Right. Like, what is

00:58:03.659 --> 00:58:05.579
that gonna help? Do you feel better? Do you feel

00:58:05.579 --> 00:58:11.579
better about yourself? Like, what is that gonna

00:58:11.579 --> 00:58:13.579
do other than make somebody feel worse about

00:58:13.579 --> 00:58:18.400
themselves? It's not helpful. You're not funny,

00:58:18.420 --> 00:58:22.699
and you're not smart. You're not like, it's just

00:58:22.699 --> 00:58:24.800
one of those things when I see comments like

00:58:24.800 --> 00:58:27.099
that, I'm like, you clearly have nothing better

00:58:27.099 --> 00:58:30.699
to do with your own life. Than to like sit here

00:58:30.699 --> 00:58:33.599
and try to shit on a celebrity who is just trying

00:58:33.599 --> 00:58:37.980
to survive Yeah, like the rest of us Because

00:58:37.980 --> 00:58:40.860
they may not have to worry about money, but that

00:58:40.860 --> 00:58:42.340
doesn't mean that they're not worried about other

00:58:42.340 --> 00:58:47.960
things Yeah You know So they could be dealing

00:58:47.960 --> 00:58:51.239
with a lot of things that we don't see and especially

00:58:51.239 --> 00:58:53.860
with people online who are constantly harassing

00:58:53.860 --> 00:58:57.739
them or doing these horrible things like It's

00:58:57.739 --> 00:59:02.820
just a lot, it's very layered. It comes with

00:59:02.820 --> 00:59:05.519
a lot of like, oh, my talent got me here and

00:59:05.519 --> 00:59:09.519
now this is what I have to deal with. Which is

00:59:09.519 --> 00:59:13.659
a terrible position to be in. It's like, oh,

00:59:13.659 --> 00:59:15.579
well, this is what I have to do now. It's like,

00:59:15.760 --> 00:59:19.179
no, no. Then you don't know who your real friends

00:59:19.179 --> 00:59:22.559
are half the time. When you reach a certain level

00:59:22.559 --> 00:59:25.099
of fame, a lot of people are like, what can I

00:59:25.099 --> 00:59:30.579
get from you? Yeah, which is very disgusting.

00:59:31.059 --> 00:59:33.019
Terrible. Right. And that's how the world is.

00:59:33.300 --> 00:59:36.679
And I keep saying, as I go into my spirituality,

00:59:37.000 --> 00:59:39.920
I'm like, if we reincarnate, I hope to God I'm

00:59:39.920 --> 00:59:43.320
not reincarnated again. I don't want to be here,

00:59:43.480 --> 00:59:46.360
bros. I want to live on Mars. I want to be like

00:59:46.360 --> 00:59:48.380
a bug for a little bit. I just want to be like

00:59:48.380 --> 00:59:52.369
a bug. Yeah, you know what I want to be a bug

00:59:52.369 --> 00:59:55.329
at least like seven times and then and then we'll

00:59:55.329 --> 00:59:59.289
loop around we'll see how I feel right like just

00:59:59.289 --> 01:00:05.610
I Think we're humans have the ability to Be like

01:00:05.610 --> 01:00:07.650
the greatest thing that's happened to the world

01:00:07.650 --> 01:00:09.230
and the worst thing that's happened to the world

01:00:09.230 --> 01:00:14.909
at the same time yeah, and You know, there's

01:00:14.909 --> 01:00:20.429
just There's just a lot of like I don't even

01:00:20.429 --> 01:00:23.849
know what the word is, but it's so, human beings

01:00:23.849 --> 01:00:26.429
are so complicated, but I feel like if everybody

01:00:26.429 --> 01:00:31.230
had more self -awareness and able to self -reflect

01:00:31.230 --> 01:00:36.130
on things, we would be able to move towards a

01:00:36.130 --> 01:00:40.550
better future as people and try to come together.

01:00:40.590 --> 01:00:42.929
But I feel like at the same time, unfortunately,

01:00:44.090 --> 01:00:47.050
in the way that people just are naturally wired,

01:00:47.289 --> 01:00:51.820
like there's gonna always be shitty people. And

01:00:51.820 --> 01:00:54.260
there's always going to be people who are like,

01:00:54.280 --> 01:00:56.739
no, no, I'm right. And you're wrong. And I'm

01:00:56.739 --> 01:00:59.900
not willing to, I'm not willing to budge because

01:00:59.900 --> 01:01:02.860
I can't have a mature conversation or see your

01:01:02.860 --> 01:01:05.380
side because that means that I'm wrong. That

01:01:05.380 --> 01:01:07.840
doesn't mean you're wrong. It just means that

01:01:07.840 --> 01:01:12.300
you're having a conversation with somebody. So

01:01:12.300 --> 01:01:19.179
to me, it's, I would hope that I see a lot of

01:01:19.179 --> 01:01:21.039
comments of people like, oh, celebrity worship

01:01:21.039 --> 01:01:24.059
is so cringe, stop worshiping celebrities. And

01:01:24.059 --> 01:01:31.780
I'm like, well, it starts with you. You're saying

01:01:31.780 --> 01:01:36.659
it's cringey, then just don't do it. And don't

01:01:36.659 --> 01:01:38.920
engage with people who are doing it. Don't give

01:01:38.920 --> 01:01:42.699
the attention to people. It's a lot of people

01:01:42.699 --> 01:01:45.320
who are like, oh, you need to... You need to

01:01:45.320 --> 01:01:47.860
fight back. You need to say words because this

01:01:47.860 --> 01:01:53.679
person's saying something about you. Why? I don't

01:01:53.679 --> 01:01:56.360
care what this person thinks of me. Like I know

01:01:56.360 --> 01:01:59.880
who I am. The people that love me and care about

01:01:59.880 --> 01:02:03.500
me know who I am. I don't need to prove myself

01:02:03.500 --> 01:02:07.400
to you. Like, especially if you're somebody who's

01:02:07.400 --> 01:02:10.780
hell bent against, like, if you're somebody who's

01:02:10.780 --> 01:02:13.739
hell bent on making me look bad or just hating

01:02:13.739 --> 01:02:17.730
me. Yeah. Why would I even try? Because anything

01:02:17.730 --> 01:02:19.889
that I say or do at this point, you're just going

01:02:19.889 --> 01:02:21.690
to turn around and be like, I'm going to turn

01:02:21.690 --> 01:02:24.050
that into something bad. There's no use talking

01:02:24.050 --> 01:02:29.250
to you. You do not have a mature mindset. So

01:02:29.250 --> 01:02:33.409
and celebrities don't get that option to have

01:02:33.409 --> 01:02:36.150
conversations with people like that. They just

01:02:36.150 --> 01:02:40.809
have to deal with it. And if they don't have

01:02:40.809 --> 01:02:43.110
a really thick skin, I can only imagine like

01:02:43.280 --> 01:02:46.539
They're going through comments and seeing things

01:02:46.539 --> 01:02:50.099
and videos made about them and things put out

01:02:50.099 --> 01:02:54.420
at the end. It's so upsetting. And this is why

01:02:54.420 --> 01:02:59.320
some celebrities have passed in the past because

01:02:59.320 --> 01:03:04.900
it's like just having all of that on you and

01:03:04.900 --> 01:03:08.179
not feeling like you know who you can trust and

01:03:08.179 --> 01:03:11.239
where to turn to and where to vent. it's like

01:03:11.239 --> 01:03:13.599
you were trapped in the world's smallest box.

01:03:13.820 --> 01:03:17.820
Yeah. And I'm not famous by any means. Like,

01:03:17.820 --> 01:03:21.420
I don't have any notoriety at all. And I mean,

01:03:21.599 --> 01:03:25.440
yeah, I can still sit here and empathize with

01:03:25.440 --> 01:03:28.420
people that do and be like, you know, God, I

01:03:28.420 --> 01:03:32.820
know I can understand why celebrities have breakdowns

01:03:32.820 --> 01:03:35.579
or, you know, they have moments because it's

01:03:35.579 --> 01:03:39.139
like you are so controlled and under a microscope

01:03:39.139 --> 01:03:44.519
that At some point, the money you make just isn't...

01:03:44.519 --> 01:03:46.900
I don't even feel like it's enough. And then

01:03:46.900 --> 01:03:49.920
you're in it, you can't get out of it if you're

01:03:49.920 --> 01:03:53.340
under a contract with somebody. And there's scandals

01:03:53.340 --> 01:03:56.199
all over the place where celebrities have come

01:03:56.199 --> 01:03:58.619
forward after that and have said, you know, I

01:03:58.619 --> 01:04:02.039
finally got out of this situation and then a

01:04:02.039 --> 01:04:04.900
lot of people will support them or... But that

01:04:04.900 --> 01:04:07.000
doesn't stop the situation from happening again

01:04:07.000 --> 01:04:13.300
either. Yeah. So it's just, it's just a constant

01:04:13.300 --> 01:04:21.860
revolving door of pain. And it's sad to watch.

01:04:22.179 --> 01:04:24.699
Like people can't just do what they love and

01:04:24.699 --> 01:04:28.079
enjoy doing what they love without fearing that

01:04:28.079 --> 01:04:32.039
some random person is gonna make a video about

01:04:32.039 --> 01:04:35.159
them. And then all the other sheep are gonna

01:04:35.159 --> 01:04:38.170
flock. Mm -hmm. And then they're not gonna be

01:04:38.170 --> 01:04:40.889
able to do what they love anymore. Because they

01:04:40.889 --> 01:04:45.130
said something ten years ago that was off -color,

01:04:45.130 --> 01:04:49.530
but not actually, like, damning. Yeah. Know what

01:04:49.530 --> 01:04:52.190
I mean? Like, and just to be clear, we're not

01:04:52.190 --> 01:04:54.150
talking about people who have actually done,

01:04:54.150 --> 01:04:57.130
like, serious bad things who need to be held

01:04:57.130 --> 01:04:59.210
accountable and... Like, felonies. We're not

01:04:59.210 --> 01:05:01.809
talking about people who have done felonies or

01:05:01.809 --> 01:05:05.210
were accused of doing felonies. Like... Yeah.

01:05:05.610 --> 01:05:09.889
You know, we're talking stuff like, you know,

01:05:11.489 --> 01:05:14.269
bullying a kid in high school or middle school,

01:05:14.289 --> 01:05:16.949
and they're, like, in their 30s now, where it's

01:05:16.949 --> 01:05:18.929
just like, okay, you're a different person than

01:05:18.929 --> 01:05:22.329
you were as an angry middle schooler. Yeah, you're

01:05:22.329 --> 01:05:27.369
a dumbass kid. Like... Yeah. I'm sorry. I thought

01:05:27.369 --> 01:05:31.469
humans were allowed to grow and mature and change,

01:05:31.889 --> 01:05:35.349
and, like, when you have life lessons... That's

01:05:35.349 --> 01:05:39.670
what they're for. There's not one person in the

01:05:39.670 --> 01:05:41.530
world who is perfect, who has never done anything

01:05:41.530 --> 01:05:43.949
wrong or said anything wrong or hurt somebody.

01:05:44.250 --> 01:05:46.889
We've all hurt somebody. We've all been hurt

01:05:46.889 --> 01:05:50.929
by somebody. Nobody is perfect. Every single

01:05:50.929 --> 01:05:53.530
person in the world makes mistakes, some more

01:05:53.530 --> 01:05:56.809
than others. And what really matters at the end

01:05:56.809 --> 01:05:59.849
of the day is you being able to see that you

01:05:59.849 --> 01:06:02.989
made that mistake, acknowledge it. and grow from

01:06:02.989 --> 01:06:05.050
it, because that makes you a better person. If

01:06:05.050 --> 01:06:07.130
you're like, oh, I made a mistake, but now I

01:06:07.130 --> 01:06:08.989
feel bad and I'm a terrible person and no one's

01:06:08.989 --> 01:06:13.170
ever gonna love me, and you spiral, that's another

01:06:13.170 --> 01:06:14.909
way you can think about it, but you're never

01:06:14.909 --> 01:06:17.389
gonna progress in your life if you think about

01:06:17.389 --> 01:06:21.230
it like that. One of my bullies from middle school,

01:06:21.250 --> 01:06:23.630
high school actually, I don't even remember when

01:06:23.630 --> 01:06:26.489
it was, it was during college, but she was my

01:06:26.489 --> 01:06:30.769
best friend in middle school and then going into

01:06:30.769 --> 01:06:35.940
high school. And then high school, she believed

01:06:35.940 --> 01:06:38.639
a rumor that was going around about me. At the

01:06:38.639 --> 01:06:40.820
time, it was literally that I was bisexual, and

01:06:40.820 --> 01:06:44.900
I was a very good Christian girl at this time

01:06:44.900 --> 01:06:49.039
at home. And I was very upsetting spaghetti on

01:06:49.039 --> 01:06:51.039
what was being said. And you know what the rumor

01:06:51.039 --> 01:06:55.860
started with? You want to know? What? Literally.

01:06:56.219 --> 01:06:59.320
Somebody came up to me, this is ridiculous, okay?

01:06:59.679 --> 01:07:01.440
Somebody came up to me and was like, Reign, do

01:07:01.440 --> 01:07:03.440
you like bananas or apples better? And I said

01:07:03.440 --> 01:07:08.940
I liked both. Oh my god, that's so stupid. It

01:07:08.940 --> 01:07:12.380
turned into the entire school saying that I was

01:07:12.380 --> 01:07:16.480
bisexual and I was gonna go to hell. Oh my god.

01:07:18.619 --> 01:07:22.159
Really? And then my friend was like, oh my god,

01:07:22.179 --> 01:07:24.139
we can't be friends anymore. And I went home

01:07:24.139 --> 01:07:28.750
crying on my fucking birthday. Oh, no. Because

01:07:28.750 --> 01:07:32.429
I was so upset, and here I am, married to a woman.

01:07:34.010 --> 01:07:38.190
Which could mean anything. It's totally uncorrelated,

01:07:38.489 --> 01:07:41.389
unrelated. I always had the feeling that that

01:07:41.389 --> 01:07:42.969
was it, but there was so much shame that came

01:07:42.969 --> 01:07:45.409
with it because of how I grew up. Right, obviously.

01:07:45.469 --> 01:07:48.909
My family's obviously grown a lot too, and they

01:07:48.909 --> 01:07:51.139
at first were like, no, but now they're - they're

01:07:51.139 --> 01:07:54.460
better and they accepted you know but it's it's

01:07:54.460 --> 01:07:56.860
stupid things like that that even it was word

01:07:56.860 --> 01:07:59.300
of mouth so like it got around the whole school

01:07:59.300 --> 01:08:01.239
just because people talk and then that's like

01:08:01.239 --> 01:08:02.820
the same thing that's before the internet was

01:08:02.820 --> 01:08:06.420
even a thing like it all starts with a rumor

01:08:06.420 --> 01:08:10.099
something stupid and then you go home crying

01:08:10.099 --> 01:08:12.400
on your birthday because people think you like

01:08:12.400 --> 01:08:15.099
girls because you say you like apples and it

01:08:15.099 --> 01:08:18.840
resembles a vagina like i don't know like I'm

01:08:18.840 --> 01:08:22.359
sorry that I enjoy a variety of fruits that does

01:08:22.359 --> 01:08:26.260
not make me fruity. Right. I think it's more

01:08:26.260 --> 01:08:29.819
like how you eat the fruit than it is what the

01:08:29.819 --> 01:08:33.159
fruit is. Yeah, that's that's exactly how it

01:08:33.159 --> 01:08:36.520
is. And it's the dumbest thing. And so after

01:08:36.520 --> 01:08:41.260
all of that, like I was traumatized because of

01:08:41.260 --> 01:08:42.880
that, because it was like the whole school was

01:08:42.880 --> 01:08:44.939
making fun of me. And I wish I was joking, but

01:08:44.939 --> 01:08:50.060
I wasn't like. It was just toxic. And then years

01:08:50.060 --> 01:08:52.880
and years later, as you know, I'm pretty sure

01:08:52.880 --> 01:08:55.399
it was like age, like 22, somewhere around there,

01:08:55.399 --> 01:08:59.260
like after I graduated from college and like

01:08:59.260 --> 01:09:02.739
a little bit after that, she had messaged me

01:09:02.739 --> 01:09:07.060
and she just was like, Hey, I don't expect a

01:09:07.060 --> 01:09:09.380
response or forgiveness, but I just want to acknowledge

01:09:09.380 --> 01:09:16.479
like, that it was that plus there was like, they

01:09:16.479 --> 01:09:20.500
formed like a gang at school and she was a part

01:09:20.500 --> 01:09:22.680
of that and then they were sending me like death

01:09:22.680 --> 01:09:25.500
threats in my locker and shit and it just was

01:09:25.500 --> 01:09:30.520
like a whole situation that was crazy and she

01:09:30.520 --> 01:09:33.979
was like I was stupid and young and I want to

01:09:33.979 --> 01:09:37.899
apologize for the pain that I caused you and

01:09:37.899 --> 01:09:42.020
just let you know that I'm trying to be a better

01:09:42.020 --> 01:09:45.739
person now and I was like Girl, apology accepted.

01:09:45.960 --> 01:09:48.119
Like, I hope you're doing good. Like, I hope

01:09:48.119 --> 01:09:52.140
you are doing well and you were being a queen.

01:09:53.880 --> 01:09:57.539
Like, blessed be, girl. Like, I hold no ill will

01:09:57.539 --> 01:10:00.819
towards you now. Like, just... And that's all

01:10:00.819 --> 01:10:03.880
it takes sometimes is people just acknowledging

01:10:03.880 --> 01:10:07.479
and just saying they're sorry. Yeah. And the

01:10:07.479 --> 01:10:09.039
people who can, they can hold grudges and they

01:10:09.039 --> 01:10:11.060
can be like, I'm still mad at you. Like, okay,

01:10:11.060 --> 01:10:15.439
that's a choice. Yeah. Or you can have less weight

01:10:15.439 --> 01:10:17.720
on your heart and soul and be like, oh, thank

01:10:17.720 --> 01:10:20.920
you. I acknowledge that. And I don't feel like

01:10:20.920 --> 01:10:23.079
we would be compatible as friends, but I wish

01:10:23.079 --> 01:10:25.840
you no ill will. And I'm, you know, I'm glad

01:10:25.840 --> 01:10:28.140
that we were able to close that chapter and have

01:10:28.140 --> 01:10:33.000
closure. And I mean, at that time, I would say

01:10:33.000 --> 01:10:36.920
that in that friendship specifically, I would

01:10:36.920 --> 01:10:41.600
say that I didn't do much to apologize back to

01:10:41.600 --> 01:10:45.630
her. If that makes sense, like, um, I definitely

01:10:45.630 --> 01:10:48.750
have stories I can tell about, you know, like

01:10:48.750 --> 01:10:51.350
when I've reached out to somebody, like I reached

01:10:51.350 --> 01:10:54.270
out to my ex a couple of years ago, who I know

01:10:54.270 --> 01:10:58.649
that I really upset and I apologize to her and

01:10:58.649 --> 01:11:01.689
now we're friends and we just, we talked about

01:11:01.689 --> 01:11:04.250
what happened and we were like, you know, there

01:11:04.250 --> 01:11:06.590
was a lot of misunderstandings that happened

01:11:06.590 --> 01:11:09.069
with the breakup. And we were all, we were both

01:11:09.069 --> 01:11:11.470
very young at the same time as well. I was like

01:11:11.470 --> 01:11:15.529
19. And, but I know that I really hurt her and

01:11:15.529 --> 01:11:20.250
I really hurt her heart. And so when I apologized

01:11:20.250 --> 01:11:22.649
to her, we had a whole conversation. I was, I

01:11:22.649 --> 01:11:27.909
was crying. She was crying and we were just like

01:11:27.909 --> 01:11:31.430
letting it all out and you know, she's married

01:11:31.430 --> 01:11:32.909
now and I'm married and we're still friends.

01:11:33.029 --> 01:11:36.380
We don't talk a lot, but. we vibe, like, I'll

01:11:36.380 --> 01:11:37.960
see you on TikTok and I'll be like, What's up?

01:11:38.060 --> 01:11:40.960
She's like, What's up? Like, you know, like,

01:11:40.979 --> 01:11:45.140
it's it's the maturity. Like, and it's it's just

01:11:45.140 --> 01:11:47.659
being able to be like, I acknowledge that I'm

01:11:47.659 --> 01:11:51.380
not always right. I had a I had something to

01:11:51.380 --> 01:11:54.140
do with this. Like you can't always apologize

01:11:54.140 --> 01:11:57.640
to the celebrity. But you can start by being

01:11:57.640 --> 01:12:00.060
a better person and taking those steps to see

01:12:00.060 --> 01:12:02.539
things from a different perspective other than

01:12:02.779 --> 01:12:08.880
only seeing up to your nose. You have to really

01:12:08.880 --> 01:12:11.920
evaluate why the situation happened and what

01:12:11.920 --> 01:12:17.439
you did to contribute to it. And maybe you weren't

01:12:17.439 --> 01:12:19.300
as in the wrong as somebody else. That doesn't

01:12:19.300 --> 01:12:20.979
mean that you didn't do anything wrong. It doesn't

01:12:20.979 --> 01:12:23.840
mean that you don't have anything to take accountability

01:12:23.840 --> 01:12:29.060
for. But people in our world now are like, Nope,

01:12:29.199 --> 01:12:31.060
you do one thing and you're damned for eternity.

01:12:31.159 --> 01:12:32.500
You're not allowed to grow. You're not allowed

01:12:32.500 --> 01:12:35.260
to change. You're not allowed to have any redeeming

01:12:35.260 --> 01:12:39.420
qualities about yourself at all. Yeah. It's a

01:12:39.420 --> 01:12:43.359
very immature, childish, and negative mindset

01:12:43.359 --> 01:12:47.560
to have. And that, at the end of the day, for

01:12:47.560 --> 01:12:51.600
people like that, who do that to people that

01:12:51.600 --> 01:12:54.399
they barely know, celebrities, people that they

01:12:54.399 --> 01:12:58.119
know, I have a family member that's like that,

01:12:58.119 --> 01:13:02.020
and he's just miserable. Like, he's in his 70s

01:13:02.020 --> 01:13:06.220
now. He has no friends. And he's just miserable

01:13:06.220 --> 01:13:10.399
because he can never... He doesn't talk to anybody

01:13:10.399 --> 01:13:13.300
about what he's feeling. He doesn't do anything

01:13:13.300 --> 01:13:16.659
about it. He just holds it all inside and just

01:13:16.659 --> 01:13:19.300
is like, yeah, well, you know, I hate everybody.

01:13:20.560 --> 01:13:23.720
Which is just a tragic way to live. Right. Like

01:13:23.720 --> 01:13:26.960
you just live alone. And, you know, he, he had

01:13:26.960 --> 01:13:31.880
a dog and when his dog passed, like he had no

01:13:31.880 --> 01:13:35.039
one because he pushes everybody away. He's never

01:13:35.039 --> 01:13:37.380
like had a relationship. He doesn't have friends.

01:13:37.420 --> 01:13:40.680
He just lives alone and just like, I haven't

01:13:40.680 --> 01:13:42.579
talked to him in so long because he doesn't even

01:13:42.579 --> 01:13:46.979
want to talk to his family. And it's all it would

01:13:46.979 --> 01:13:50.189
take was like a conversation and I was the only

01:13:50.189 --> 01:13:52.609
one for a long time that reached out to him or

01:13:52.609 --> 01:13:57.350
called him or said anything to him. And I, yeah,

01:13:57.350 --> 01:13:59.810
like out of my entire family, we're Lebanese.

01:13:59.909 --> 01:14:03.229
We have a big family. Like, I'm just saying,

01:14:03.729 --> 01:14:06.329
like we'll go to like I went to a family get

01:14:06.329 --> 01:14:08.949
together when I was younger. It was like 300

01:14:08.949 --> 01:14:11.430
people that were like, thank God. I was like,

01:14:11.430 --> 01:14:17.090
I don't know any of you. I am overwhelmed, but.

01:14:17.659 --> 01:14:19.699
I would always try to reach out to him and have

01:14:19.699 --> 01:14:22.840
a conversation with him. And anytime I'd ask

01:14:22.840 --> 01:14:25.500
him like, Oh, you have a girlfriend or what are

01:14:25.500 --> 01:14:27.539
you doing? Like trying to be whatever. And he's

01:14:27.539 --> 01:14:30.819
like, Oh, you know, I don't do that. Oh, that's

01:14:30.819 --> 01:14:35.880
a stupid question. Like, and it just very like

01:14:35.880 --> 01:14:39.720
talking to a brick wall. So as much as I would

01:14:39.720 --> 01:14:42.920
love to reach out to him again, I stopped after

01:14:42.920 --> 01:14:46.449
a while because it just like, It was, since I

01:14:46.449 --> 01:14:51.069
was a kid till even in my twenties, he just never

01:14:51.069 --> 01:14:54.170
engaged because he just wanted to be a hermit.

01:14:55.210 --> 01:14:57.470
And that's it. He didn't join us for holidays.

01:14:57.510 --> 01:15:01.029
He never calls anybody. Like he just isn't like

01:15:01.029 --> 01:15:08.770
in a box. And it's so sad because I see his soul.

01:15:09.029 --> 01:15:10.710
I don't know what he's been through because he'd

01:15:10.710 --> 01:15:14.729
never talks about it, but I see his soul. I know

01:15:14.729 --> 01:15:19.170
he's a good person. Yeah. But he never lets anybody

01:15:19.170 --> 01:15:21.750
in. He never takes any accountability. He never

01:15:21.750 --> 01:15:24.390
has conversations with people. He just sits there

01:15:24.390 --> 01:15:31.890
in spirals. And just lets it consume him. And

01:15:31.890 --> 01:15:36.890
that's a way that I never want to be. Because

01:15:36.890 --> 01:15:40.430
I don't want to die alone, you know, like I don't

01:15:40.430 --> 01:15:44.649
want to die thinking that there was nobody around

01:15:44.649 --> 01:15:48.609
who would even notice if I was gone. I wouldn't

01:15:48.609 --> 01:15:52.850
even know if he passed away. I don't even know

01:15:52.850 --> 01:15:56.050
how anybody would know because he doesn't talk

01:15:56.050 --> 01:15:59.829
to any of us. The only way we would probably

01:15:59.829 --> 01:16:03.350
find out is if he listed somebody as an emergency

01:16:03.350 --> 01:16:07.250
contact, which I don't even think he has. To

01:16:07.250 --> 01:16:09.010
be really honest, I don't even know if he's alive

01:16:09.010 --> 01:16:14.920
right now. That's insane. It's, it's really sad.

01:16:15.260 --> 01:16:17.859
And like, as a kid, like I loved this man as

01:16:17.859 --> 01:16:19.960
a kid, like he's, you know, he did some weird

01:16:19.960 --> 01:16:23.119
shit, but like, you know, he's not a bad guy.

01:16:23.300 --> 01:16:26.699
He just, I think he, he's kind of one of those

01:16:26.699 --> 01:16:31.560
people that's like, the world owes me something.

01:16:31.560 --> 01:16:34.239
And because I'm not getting it, I'm just gonna

01:16:34.239 --> 01:16:37.840
be a recluse and not talk to anybody or even

01:16:37.840 --> 01:16:42.220
try. And That's like an extreme example, but

01:16:42.220 --> 01:16:45.840
it's in my immediate family. So I always use

01:16:45.840 --> 01:16:49.520
him as an example of like, don't be like that.

01:16:49.680 --> 01:16:53.960
Yeah. Talk to people. And if they're not willing

01:16:53.960 --> 01:16:56.100
to talk to you or have a mature conversation

01:16:56.100 --> 01:17:01.039
with you, then move on. It's not worth your time.

01:17:01.699 --> 01:17:03.520
If you're ready to have mature conversations

01:17:03.520 --> 01:17:08.529
with people and grow as a person. That's great,

01:17:08.550 --> 01:17:10.930
but not everybody is in that same boat and not

01:17:10.930 --> 01:17:15.630
everybody's willing to do the work And that's

01:17:15.630 --> 01:17:17.390
that's sad, but you can't force somebody to do

01:17:17.390 --> 01:17:24.670
something they don't want to do So yeah The same

01:17:24.670 --> 01:17:26.289
thing with celebrities I feel like they have

01:17:26.289 --> 01:17:28.590
to do that work too. It's it's not just us, you

01:17:28.590 --> 01:17:32.090
know average Joe's celebrities have to have the

01:17:32.090 --> 01:17:37.789
mindset of You know if I do something It's broadcasted.

01:17:37.890 --> 01:17:43.890
More people see it. Yeah. And so I need to, but

01:17:43.890 --> 01:17:45.750
I don't, I also feel like celebrities feel the

01:17:45.750 --> 01:17:47.949
need to like explain themselves to people. You

01:17:47.949 --> 01:17:51.390
need to explain yourself to yourself first. Oh,

01:17:51.409 --> 01:17:54.409
absolutely. Yeah. You know, work on that shit

01:17:54.409 --> 01:17:56.590
within yourself first. Cause otherwise you're

01:17:56.590 --> 01:18:05.640
just performing. So people, I feel like always

01:18:05.640 --> 01:18:08.880
feel like they need to perform in order to be

01:18:08.880 --> 01:18:11.079
accepted as people. But I also feel like at the

01:18:11.079 --> 01:18:15.199
same time, we need to be able to fail and to

01:18:15.199 --> 01:18:19.420
make mistakes and grow from them to be considered

01:18:19.420 --> 01:18:21.920
human because we can't just be perfect all the

01:18:21.920 --> 01:18:26.220
time or bad all the time. That's not realistic.

01:18:28.460 --> 01:18:39.800
So, yeah, I mean, that's my spiel. Well, I think

01:18:39.800 --> 01:18:45.199
we've been talking for like an hour. Yeah. I

01:18:45.199 --> 01:18:48.119
think that's a really good message to leave it

01:18:48.119 --> 01:18:52.859
on because just like look for that connection.

01:18:55.500 --> 01:19:00.760
And don't, you know, like if you're going to

01:19:00.760 --> 01:19:03.460
grow as a person, do it for yourself. Don't do

01:19:03.460 --> 01:19:07.909
it just because society... is calling for an

01:19:07.909 --> 01:19:10.130
apology. If you don't mean it, you're not gonna

01:19:10.130 --> 01:19:15.189
mean it. It'll just make things worse if you

01:19:15.189 --> 01:19:18.609
get a quote unquote call out for an opinion you

01:19:18.609 --> 01:19:20.529
have and you immediately are like, oh, I'm so

01:19:20.529 --> 01:19:23.029
sorry. Totally, I'm so sorry. And it's like,

01:19:23.090 --> 01:19:24.609
no one's gonna believe you. It's not gonna help.

01:19:25.550 --> 01:19:28.329
No, work on yourself. That's the first you gotta

01:19:28.329 --> 01:19:31.390
do. You gotta sit with yourself and be uncomfortable.

01:19:32.109 --> 01:19:37.090
You gotta be uncomfortable. Yep. and also respect

01:19:37.090 --> 01:19:39.930
people and their boundaries and all that stuff.

01:19:40.390 --> 01:19:43.810
Celebrities are, people do, and they deserve

01:19:43.810 --> 01:19:47.630
both criticism and respect for their lives and

01:19:47.630 --> 01:19:50.810
what they do. As does everybody, and self -reflection

01:19:50.810 --> 01:19:56.010
hurts. It's supposed to. Yep. If you're self

01:19:56.010 --> 01:19:58.550
-reflecting, you're like, God, I'm such a good

01:19:58.550 --> 01:20:03.970
person. You're not self -reflecting. Chill on

01:20:03.970 --> 01:20:06.970
your ego, boo. You're not self -reflecting if

01:20:06.970 --> 01:20:09.029
you're not finding anything wrong that you've

01:20:09.029 --> 01:20:10.729
done or anything that you can change or better

01:20:10.729 --> 01:20:14.289
about yourself. Self -reflection is always the

01:20:14.289 --> 01:20:16.710
core of making you a better person because you

01:20:16.710 --> 01:20:21.489
have to really dig deep and find out. Think about

01:20:21.489 --> 01:20:24.189
yourself from another person's perspective that

01:20:24.189 --> 01:20:26.270
you've had conversations with or that you've

01:20:26.270 --> 01:20:29.369
had an issue with. If I were this person, and

01:20:29.369 --> 01:20:31.489
this takes empathy, which some people don't have,

01:20:31.489 --> 01:20:34.449
and that's very sad. If I were this person and

01:20:34.449 --> 01:20:37.310
this happened to me, how would I feel? Yeah.

01:20:38.890 --> 01:20:42.170
Is this really worth me doing this? Is this worth

01:20:42.170 --> 01:20:46.489
me saying this? Like, how would I feel if all

01:20:46.489 --> 01:20:51.350
of this was happening to me? That is how you

01:20:51.350 --> 01:20:53.550
start self -reflecting, because then you feel

01:20:53.550 --> 01:20:55.590
like, oh, this other, this person has feelings

01:20:55.590 --> 01:21:00.659
too. Crazy. Just because they're a celebrity

01:21:00.659 --> 01:21:12.300
doesn't mean you're not a person. Your job does

01:21:12.300 --> 01:21:15.319
not mean you're not a person. I would respect

01:21:15.319 --> 01:21:17.520
a janitor as much as I would respect a celebrity.

01:21:19.840 --> 01:21:25.899
So just my advice. would be like I don't have

01:21:25.899 --> 01:21:27.800
my tarot cards up here, but maybe I'll start

01:21:27.800 --> 01:21:32.039
doing that next time. At least what I'm hearing

01:21:32.039 --> 01:21:35.899
is really sit with yourself for at least a good

01:21:35.899 --> 01:21:38.579
five minutes a day and just reflect because that

01:21:38.579 --> 01:21:42.699
is what I've been doing. Thinking about pick

01:21:42.699 --> 01:21:45.739
something that happened in the past or something

01:21:45.739 --> 01:21:48.039
that's currently happening that you are struggling

01:21:48.039 --> 01:21:52.659
with. Really sit down and you don't have to do

01:21:52.659 --> 01:21:55.760
anything. You can just sit quietly with yourself

01:21:55.760 --> 01:22:01.460
and just think and just feel. And some people

01:22:01.460 --> 01:22:04.439
can't do this like for different reasons, but

01:22:04.439 --> 01:22:06.739
the people that want to better themselves that

01:22:06.739 --> 01:22:11.460
genuinely listen to this podcast for, you know,

01:22:11.720 --> 01:22:14.939
relatable reasons and wanting to be better. Like

01:22:14.939 --> 01:22:16.880
I'm not somebody who's like, I'm higher than

01:22:16.880 --> 01:22:18.619
now. I'm giving you advice. Like I'm telling

01:22:18.619 --> 01:22:24.279
you what I do. every day and what has really

01:22:24.279 --> 01:22:26.960
helped me in the past is like going through situations

01:22:26.960 --> 01:22:29.100
where I'm like, oh, I'm mad at this person. Wait,

01:22:29.819 --> 01:22:32.819
why am I mad at this person? Yeah. How did the

01:22:32.819 --> 01:22:34.920
situation actually play out? Let me see this

01:22:34.920 --> 01:22:39.840
from every point of view that I can and sit and

01:22:39.840 --> 01:22:44.239
reflect on it. Try your best to see everything

01:22:44.239 --> 01:22:47.819
from a neutral position. and not from a I want

01:22:47.819 --> 01:22:49.739
to feel right because if I did something wrong,

01:22:49.800 --> 01:22:54.239
I'll feel really bad about it. Because just in

01:22:54.239 --> 01:22:56.279
general, you're always going to do something

01:22:56.279 --> 01:22:58.159
wrong. You're always going to end up hurting

01:22:58.159 --> 01:23:00.699
somebody, even if you don't mean to. It's just

01:23:00.699 --> 01:23:03.739
the way that humans are because we're not all

01:23:03.739 --> 01:23:05.739
robots. We're not the same. We have different

01:23:05.739 --> 01:23:09.720
opinions. You're always going to be wrong in

01:23:09.720 --> 01:23:12.800
somebody else's eyes. Yeah. And the only way

01:23:12.800 --> 01:23:16.300
that we can come together and be more united

01:23:16.300 --> 01:23:21.279
as people is having that more mindful mindset

01:23:21.279 --> 01:23:26.600
of seeing each other as on the same level. We're

01:23:26.600 --> 01:23:28.359
not better than each other. We're not worse than

01:23:28.359 --> 01:23:33.060
each other. We all have to sit and do the work,

01:23:33.359 --> 01:23:35.220
which is in, you know, spirituality, do that

01:23:35.220 --> 01:23:38.000
shadow work that's really uncomfortable within

01:23:38.000 --> 01:23:40.920
you that really makes you think about things

01:23:40.920 --> 01:23:45.020
that you've done and said. and reflect on that

01:23:45.020 --> 01:23:49.579
and use that as a way to better yourself as a

01:23:49.579 --> 01:23:51.680
person. If it's uncomfortable, you're doing it

01:23:51.680 --> 01:23:59.180
right. Yep. And that's that on that. Yep. So

01:23:59.180 --> 01:24:02.840
closing thoughts are stop worshiping celebrities.

01:24:03.100 --> 01:24:07.000
They're just people like be kind to everybody.

01:24:07.680 --> 01:24:12.050
Nobody's better than anybody else. And Try to

01:24:12.050 --> 01:24:14.390
really better yourself every day a little bit

01:24:14.390 --> 01:24:18.229
every day helps and don't spread negativity because

01:24:18.229 --> 01:24:21.329
that That tarnishes your heart and your soul

01:24:21.329 --> 01:24:23.989
that puts a lot of weight on your person that

01:24:23.989 --> 01:24:25.890
you have to carry around and it's just nicer

01:24:25.890 --> 01:24:31.729
to be lighter and positive so work on that work

01:24:31.729 --> 01:24:35.770
on trying to see things in a nicer or positive

01:24:35.770 --> 01:24:38.949
light see situations and a more positive light

01:24:39.369 --> 01:24:41.670
and use that as a way to better yourself as a

01:24:41.670 --> 01:24:47.090
person. So yeah. Thank you guys for listening.

01:24:47.729 --> 01:24:51.670
And we will be back. Probably I've been posting

01:24:51.670 --> 01:24:54.430
like once a month for podcasts, so I can kind

01:24:54.430 --> 01:24:57.430
of schedule them out. And that's been working.

01:24:58.170 --> 01:25:01.869
If I'm able to do more often, I will. But for

01:25:01.869 --> 01:25:04.189
now, it's, you know, the scheduling out has been

01:25:04.189 --> 01:25:05.770
good. So at least we're getting one out a month.

01:25:06.050 --> 01:25:10.640
So not a lot, but quality over quantity. But

01:25:10.640 --> 01:25:14.319
yeah, Gabe, thank you for joining me. It's always

01:25:14.319 --> 01:25:17.100
a pleasure. Yes, and do you want to tell them

01:25:17.100 --> 01:25:22.659
where they can find you? Sure, you can find me

01:25:22.659 --> 01:25:27.659
also on YouTube as GalenQuest, G -A -E -L -I

01:25:27.659 --> 01:25:32.420
-N Quest on YouTube. I do art videos sometimes.

01:25:32.619 --> 01:25:36.560
I'm working on a video now that I just need to

01:25:36.560 --> 01:25:41.489
record the audio for and edit. That's just me

01:25:41.489 --> 01:25:45.449
in my fascination. But yeah, that's where you

01:25:45.449 --> 01:25:48.829
can find me. All right. Awesome. Well, we will

01:25:48.829 --> 01:25:52.609
be back soon with another podcast. Until then,

01:25:52.869 --> 01:25:54.590
sending everybody love and light. Take care of

01:25:54.590 --> 01:25:56.409
yourself, drink water, and be kind.