WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:03.359 Hello, and welcome to the Real Talk with Rain 00:00:03.359 --> 00:00:07.379 podcast. I am joined today with my friend Dark 00:00:07.379 --> 00:00:09.839 Ringer. If you would like to introduce yourself 00:00:09.839 --> 00:00:12.980 to the listeners. Hello. My name is Dark Ringer, 00:00:13.240 --> 00:00:15.839 and I am your grand evil overlord. You should 00:00:15.839 --> 00:00:19.980 all kneel before me. Man, I don't know why I 00:00:19.980 --> 00:00:22.460 thought you weren't going to do that, even though 00:00:22.460 --> 00:00:24.800 you just told me two minutes before we started 00:00:24.800 --> 00:00:28.339 recording that you were going to do that. Oh, 00:00:28.460 --> 00:00:31.780 sorry. Continue, continue. I'm DarkRinger. You 00:00:31.780 --> 00:00:35.740 can find me on Twitch, Twitter, Blue Sky, YouTube, 00:00:36.259 --> 00:00:39.140 under that name. I'm primarily a streamer. I 00:00:39.140 --> 00:00:42.100 play all the Vigigims, but I'm also a voice actor 00:00:42.100 --> 00:00:44.539 and a singer. And sometimes I like to poke Reign 00:00:44.539 --> 00:00:47.100 with a stick and tell her she's a butt. That's 00:00:47.100 --> 00:00:51.100 true. That's very true. And I'm your host, Reign. 00:00:51.240 --> 00:00:54.420 So you can find me at Song of Reign pretty much 00:00:54.420 --> 00:00:58.359 on all social media platforms. And today, we 00:00:58.359 --> 00:01:02.280 are going to be talking about cancel culture 00:01:02.280 --> 00:01:08.280 and if we should cancel cancel culture. So the 00:01:08.280 --> 00:01:11.260 first point that I would like to bring up from 00:01:11.260 --> 00:01:15.319 somebody in our little discord group has said 00:01:15.319 --> 00:01:20.280 they think it's gone too far personally and I 00:01:20.280 --> 00:01:23.420 have to agree with that because the thing that 00:01:23.420 --> 00:01:25.579 I think about when it comes to cancel culture 00:01:25.579 --> 00:01:31.290 is like a mob mindset. Oh yeah. You don't even 00:01:31.290 --> 00:01:36.250 know this person. And while people should be 00:01:36.250 --> 00:01:39.890 held accountable for the things that they do, 00:01:40.709 --> 00:01:45.469 I don't understand the reasoning behind a bunch 00:01:45.469 --> 00:01:49.769 of strangers on the internet going on a smear 00:01:49.769 --> 00:01:52.150 campaign unless sometimes it's warranted, don't 00:01:52.150 --> 00:01:54.390 get me wrong, like if they've really done something 00:01:54.390 --> 00:01:57.780 really bad. then people should call them out. 00:01:58.180 --> 00:02:01.659 But I'm talking more about people that just make 00:02:01.659 --> 00:02:07.640 drama videos for fun. Just tearing other people 00:02:07.640 --> 00:02:11.539 down just because they may have slipped up and 00:02:11.539 --> 00:02:14.860 said something or cursed or something like it 00:02:14.860 --> 00:02:19.039 just people are trying to find any tiny little 00:02:19.039 --> 00:02:23.479 thing they can latch onto nowadays on the internet. 00:02:24.459 --> 00:02:27.740 make somebody look like a terrible human being, 00:02:27.939 --> 00:02:30.319 even though they don't know them, and they don't 00:02:30.319 --> 00:02:33.159 know anything about this person or their life. 00:02:33.259 --> 00:02:38.960 So at what point does cancel culture become just 00:02:38.960 --> 00:02:42.259 straight -up bullying and harassment? I have 00:02:42.259 --> 00:02:46.060 an answer to that. An ex -friend of mine once 00:02:46.060 --> 00:02:48.740 said that they would love to kill Eminem because 00:02:48.740 --> 00:02:51.569 he said the N -word once in the 90s. I don't 00:02:51.569 --> 00:02:53.710 remember the exact year, but it was before either 00:02:53.710 --> 00:02:58.729 of us was born. To me, I feel like it has gone 00:02:58.729 --> 00:03:02.509 too far. So I definitely agree. But because a 00:03:02.509 --> 00:03:06.030 lot of people that are on the Internet, they're 00:03:06.030 --> 00:03:08.069 trying to make a living. They're trying to put 00:03:08.069 --> 00:03:09.969 themselves out there. They're trying to show 00:03:09.969 --> 00:03:13.430 the world who they are. And it's just like in 00:03:13.430 --> 00:03:15.990 real life, like you hang out with your friends 00:03:15.990 --> 00:03:18.669 and stuff and you might be joking around one 00:03:18.669 --> 00:03:21.840 night and human nature is you say something stupid 00:03:21.840 --> 00:03:24.400 and then you're around friends who are like oh 00:03:24.400 --> 00:03:26.259 man that was you shouldn't have said that and 00:03:26.259 --> 00:03:29.919 you're like oh man I'm sorry and you learn from 00:03:29.919 --> 00:03:33.180 that experience but I feel like the cancel culture 00:03:33.180 --> 00:03:35.699 that I'm referring to and that I would really 00:03:35.699 --> 00:03:40.080 like to hone in on is the cancel culture that 00:03:40.080 --> 00:03:45.879 is just canceling people to cancel them for reasons 00:03:45.879 --> 00:03:49.030 that don't make any sense to me. Like people 00:03:49.030 --> 00:03:53.849 who are, I don't even have a great example because 00:03:53.849 --> 00:03:56.770 I think cancel culture is good when it's actually 00:03:56.770 --> 00:03:58.650 holding people accountable for things that they've 00:03:58.650 --> 00:04:03.150 done. But I don't think that there should be 00:04:03.150 --> 00:04:07.370 drama channels and reaction channels that are 00:04:07.370 --> 00:04:09.789 put up on the internet just to tear other people 00:04:09.789 --> 00:04:14.479 down. I think the world has become a very It 00:04:14.479 --> 00:04:18.199 always has been, but I feel like it's more so 00:04:18.199 --> 00:04:23.819 now a hateful place. And instead of council culture 00:04:23.819 --> 00:04:26.500 actually holding people accountable for the things 00:04:26.500 --> 00:04:28.660 that they've done to the point where they learn 00:04:28.660 --> 00:04:32.220 from them, it's almost like doing the opposite 00:04:32.220 --> 00:04:35.699 because negative attention is still attention. 00:04:37.779 --> 00:04:42.600 And I think a lot of the people that get air 00:04:42.600 --> 00:04:48.259 quotes canceled, are actually profiting off of 00:04:48.259 --> 00:04:50.699 it, to be honest, because they're still getting 00:04:50.699 --> 00:04:52.600 the attention, they're still getting the views, 00:04:53.160 --> 00:04:55.899 which then turns into monetary gain for them. 00:04:56.459 --> 00:05:00.379 And they don't know you. So your opinion of them 00:05:00.379 --> 00:05:04.839 most likely does not matter. Why are we trying 00:05:04.839 --> 00:05:08.480 to change the mind of a person who doesn't care 00:05:08.480 --> 00:05:13.110 what People think of them, you know what I mean? 00:05:13.370 --> 00:05:15.850 I feel it's very performative They don't want 00:05:15.850 --> 00:05:18.310 to actually hold this person accountable to change 00:05:18.310 --> 00:05:20.529 their actions They just want a target that they 00:05:20.529 --> 00:05:23.629 can yell at because so they can look like they're 00:05:23.629 --> 00:05:28.829 I hate this term but social justice warrior Yeah, 00:05:29.089 --> 00:05:33.329 like the bandwagon of doing better as people 00:05:33.329 --> 00:05:38.060 and learning from our mistakes and actually taking 00:05:38.060 --> 00:05:41.040 accountability, like these YouTube apology videos. 00:05:41.240 --> 00:05:44.160 At what point does it become just straight up 00:05:44.160 --> 00:05:46.259 bullying and hating on people to hate on them? 00:05:46.439 --> 00:05:51.180 What can we do and cancel culture to make it 00:05:51.180 --> 00:05:54.720 more like taking accountability for things that 00:05:54.720 --> 00:05:58.120 you've done and that the world is seeing that 00:05:58.120 --> 00:06:00.360 you've done and holding you accountable for it 00:06:00.360 --> 00:06:03.560 saying, hey, you did this thing. This is not 00:06:03.560 --> 00:06:08.000 a good thing. Change it. Maybe don't assume that 00:06:08.000 --> 00:06:11.120 it was out of maliciousness and just go all scorched 00:06:11.120 --> 00:06:14.519 earth on the person. I think that's also something 00:06:14.519 --> 00:06:18.160 that's crazy to me because we as people are going 00:06:18.160 --> 00:06:22.040 to make mistakes no matter what. It doesn't make 00:06:22.040 --> 00:06:25.939 the mistake right and it doesn't excuse what's 00:06:25.939 --> 00:06:29.300 been done. It's really people have to change 00:06:29.300 --> 00:06:32.740 their mindset to think about, yes, they did this 00:06:32.740 --> 00:06:35.319 thing that they're getting canceled for. What 00:06:35.319 --> 00:06:39.660 are they doing now? Are they actually trying 00:06:39.660 --> 00:06:42.360 to better themselves? Are they putting more good 00:06:42.360 --> 00:06:45.120 out into the world after this has happened? Or 00:06:45.120 --> 00:06:47.939 are they just doing the same thing that they've 00:06:47.939 --> 00:06:50.439 been doing, making the same jokes and just being 00:06:50.439 --> 00:06:53.899 like, oh, me, I got canceled. There's people, 00:06:53.899 --> 00:06:56.759 I'm not going to name drop, but there's big YouTubers 00:06:56.759 --> 00:07:01.939 for sure that I, when I was in high school, loved. 00:07:02.240 --> 00:07:07.139 And now as an adult, I'm like, oh my God, I can't. 00:07:07.459 --> 00:07:11.339 It's just, and it's crazy to me because humor 00:07:11.339 --> 00:07:17.720 changes over the years. And when dark humor used 00:07:17.720 --> 00:07:22.579 to be really acceptable and edgy, now it's very 00:07:22.579 --> 00:07:27.180 in the woke culture. It's extremely, I don't 00:07:27.180 --> 00:07:30.879 know what the word would be, but very penalized 00:07:30.879 --> 00:07:34.129 would be the best for it. I feel like. People 00:07:34.129 --> 00:07:41.389 nowadays are so easily offended and triggered 00:07:41.389 --> 00:07:45.810 and just want to be angry at something instead 00:07:45.810 --> 00:07:49.910 of looking at it in the lens of, does this actually 00:07:49.910 --> 00:07:52.910 affect me as a person? How dare you say that 00:07:52.910 --> 00:07:56.670 to me? Trigger is my trigger word. I think as 00:07:56.670 --> 00:08:01.189 I get older, I realize it too, because I see 00:08:01.189 --> 00:08:05.699 a lot of people that I watch a lot of cop shows 00:08:05.699 --> 00:08:08.939 where people get arrested and like, do you know 00:08:08.939 --> 00:08:12.779 who I am? I'm a TikTokker. I'm like, that doesn't 00:08:12.779 --> 00:08:16.939 matter. Are you kidding me right now? Like, I 00:08:16.939 --> 00:08:20.720 have two followers on Instagram. Literally, it 00:08:20.720 --> 00:08:23.639 does not matter if you're a TikTok star. If you're 00:08:23.639 --> 00:08:25.600 doing something wrong, you're doing something 00:08:25.600 --> 00:08:29.339 wrong and you should be held accountable for 00:08:29.339 --> 00:08:32.190 it. I don't know. I feel Like when I get into 00:08:32.190 --> 00:08:34.429 these kinds of conversations, especially when 00:08:34.429 --> 00:08:37.309 it's like touchy subjects like cancel culture, 00:08:37.309 --> 00:08:41.730 it's hard to really pin down if it's wrong or 00:08:41.730 --> 00:08:46.529 not, because I think it is to an extent good 00:08:46.529 --> 00:08:49.289 to have cancel culture because it holds people 00:08:49.289 --> 00:08:53.570 accountable to an extent. But I also think that 00:08:53.570 --> 00:08:55.950 it's gone to the point where now it's just an 00:08:55.950 --> 00:09:00.919 excuse to be mean and hateful. to people you 00:09:00.919 --> 00:09:06.399 don't know, whose lives you have not lived. And 00:09:06.399 --> 00:09:09.740 people make mistakes. What we do with those mistakes 00:09:09.740 --> 00:09:12.340 and how we grow from those mistakes, that determines 00:09:12.340 --> 00:09:16.019 our character. Unless it's something, again, 00:09:16.379 --> 00:09:19.639 some big YouTubers, not gonna name drop, but 00:09:19.639 --> 00:09:23.419 some big YouTubers have done some pretty bad 00:09:23.419 --> 00:09:28.549 things that they should. definitely still be 00:09:28.549 --> 00:09:32.509 held accountable for and or be prosecuted for. 00:09:32.870 --> 00:09:35.450 But then again, it's, it's just the internet 00:09:35.450 --> 00:09:39.110 I feel has just become such a scary place in 00:09:39.110 --> 00:09:42.549 general for people like they want to get on the 00:09:42.549 --> 00:09:46.590 internet to express themselves and be creative 00:09:46.590 --> 00:09:53.379 and with me like having the company that I had 00:09:53.379 --> 00:09:56.279 with RSP, like it taught me a lot of what it's 00:09:56.279 --> 00:09:59.899 like being directly in the public eye. Even if 00:09:59.899 --> 00:10:03.200 it was really small, it still was a taste of 00:10:03.200 --> 00:10:06.120 what it could be when it's bigger. And I was 00:10:06.120 --> 00:10:11.139 like, nope. Like, I, I just, there's too much 00:10:11.139 --> 00:10:14.840 hate. There's too much drama and I don't have 00:10:14.840 --> 00:10:19.200 the energy for it. I just, I can't get behind 00:10:19.200 --> 00:10:24.080 it. I can't get behind how people think and how 00:10:24.080 --> 00:10:27.120 like the industries sometimes work with how shady 00:10:27.120 --> 00:10:31.259 it is. It just makes me feel icky and I can't. 00:10:32.059 --> 00:10:35.860 I just couldn't continue, especially with financially. 00:10:36.019 --> 00:10:39.399 I just couldn't do that. But it's things like 00:10:39.399 --> 00:10:41.659 that where people will try to find any tiny thing 00:10:41.659 --> 00:10:45.960 that you've done wrong and hold on to that as. 00:10:46.960 --> 00:10:50.129 That's what determines. who you are as a person 00:10:50.129 --> 00:10:54.210 and your character. The number of times a celebrity 00:10:54.210 --> 00:10:58.230 to usually a male celebrity has paused away and 00:10:58.230 --> 00:11:00.110 while everyone's grieving, almost immediately 00:11:00.110 --> 00:11:02.190 someone will be like, actually they did this 00:11:02.190 --> 00:11:06.830 horrific thing back in like 1842. Yeah. Yeah, 00:11:06.850 --> 00:11:09.409 it's bad. Can you let us finish grieving? Because 00:11:09.409 --> 00:11:12.220 now we have to process both these things. And 00:11:12.220 --> 00:11:15.460 I think it's just the air of, especially the 00:11:15.460 --> 00:11:17.500 younger generation, not me trying to be like, 00:11:17.740 --> 00:11:21.259 back in my day. You know, these kids these days 00:11:21.259 --> 00:11:26.620 with their inner whelps. Literally, that's how 00:11:26.620 --> 00:11:30.299 I feel when I say that. But I'm like, I feel 00:11:30.299 --> 00:11:34.159 like every new generation that comes up is like 00:11:34.159 --> 00:11:38.620 getting more upset about things that when... 00:11:38.620 --> 00:11:42.559 was a kid like we would just chill in outside 00:11:42.559 --> 00:11:47.419 and playing with rocks and sticks and Touching 00:11:47.419 --> 00:11:50.340 grass and like before the internet was a thing 00:11:50.340 --> 00:11:54.080 you actually used your brain for imagination 00:11:54.080 --> 00:11:58.679 and like Hung out with people outside go to the 00:11:58.679 --> 00:12:03.379 park ride your bike. It's crazy to think especially 00:12:03.379 --> 00:12:06.559 not even for just my generation, but the older 00:12:06.559 --> 00:12:09.779 generations, as I get older, I understand why 00:12:09.779 --> 00:12:11.960 they're like, ah, the internet. Because it's 00:12:11.960 --> 00:12:15.879 crazy that you don't even know these people, 00:12:16.019 --> 00:12:18.899 yet you're making it your life's mission to destroy 00:12:18.899 --> 00:12:24.379 them. And some people go to crazy lengths to 00:12:24.379 --> 00:12:27.799 really harm people. And I'm like, but at that 00:12:27.799 --> 00:12:30.639 point, you're not really doing any good by holding 00:12:30.639 --> 00:12:32.919 them accountable for what they've done. You're 00:12:32.919 --> 00:12:38.120 just being a bully and pretty much doing illegal 00:12:38.120 --> 00:12:42.379 shit yourself. So it's a hard line with cancel 00:12:42.379 --> 00:12:45.240 culture because I feel like the reason it's there 00:12:45.240 --> 00:12:51.159 is good, but it's been taken out of context and 00:12:51.159 --> 00:12:54.120 thrown around to such an extreme where it doesn't 00:12:54.120 --> 00:12:59.460 really hold as much power anymore to the point 00:12:59.460 --> 00:13:02.879 where people will joke now, oh my God, I'm getting 00:13:02.879 --> 00:13:06.090 canceled, whatever. And I'm like, Back when this 00:13:06.090 --> 00:13:08.909 first started with the internet, that wasn't 00:13:08.909 --> 00:13:12.090 a good thing. It wasn't a funny thing. And it 00:13:12.090 --> 00:13:15.049 still really isn't. Like it can affect people's 00:13:15.049 --> 00:13:19.330 lives and jobs. And a lot of people are like 00:13:19.330 --> 00:13:21.549 falsely accusing people of things. So there are 00:13:21.549 --> 00:13:23.409 people that do the things that they're canceled 00:13:23.409 --> 00:13:27.590 for, but then there's people who don't. And there's 00:13:27.590 --> 00:13:31.470 just people that don't like them that go off 00:13:31.470 --> 00:13:33.090 and run around because they want to be mad at 00:13:33.090 --> 00:13:36.350 somebody. because they had a disagreement or 00:13:36.350 --> 00:13:39.929 something. It just... There's a very specific 00:13:39.929 --> 00:13:42.789 tweet that just reminded me of someone's show, 00:13:42.929 --> 00:13:45.929 The Voice Actor. He tweeted something unrelated. 00:13:46.129 --> 00:13:47.730 I don't remember what it was, but someone quote, 00:13:47.889 --> 00:13:50.409 he tweeted it saying, reminder, this character 00:13:50.409 --> 00:13:53.970 voiced a homophobic character. Where's the grounds 00:13:53.970 --> 00:13:57.389 to cancel someone. Yeah, it's a character. It's 00:13:57.389 --> 00:14:00.820 not his opinions. That's like canceling, I forgot 00:14:00.820 --> 00:14:02.779 the actor's name, but this middle -aged white 00:14:02.779 --> 00:14:05.259 actor because he said the N -word on the boondocks. 00:14:05.539 --> 00:14:07.580 But it's in the script. They paid him to say 00:14:07.580 --> 00:14:10.799 it. And it's the same thing with, I know, for 00:14:10.799 --> 00:14:15.559 Hasbin Hotel. At one point, the voice actor for 00:14:15.559 --> 00:14:19.019 Valentino was like getting sh** for voicing him. 00:14:19.100 --> 00:14:23.620 And I'm like, he's doing a job. Yeah, what the 00:14:23.620 --> 00:14:26.779 hell? He's not the character. Do you understand 00:14:26.779 --> 00:14:30.159 fantasy from real life? He's an actually abusive 00:14:30.159 --> 00:14:35.000 person. He's not actually doing what this mothman 00:14:35.000 --> 00:14:39.379 is doing on the screen. Do you need help? Please 00:14:39.379 --> 00:14:42.399 go touch some grass because you are delusional 00:14:42.399 --> 00:14:45.600 if you think voice actors are their characters. 00:14:45.740 --> 00:14:48.899 It's called acting for a reason. Why are you 00:14:48.899 --> 00:14:52.940 attacking them? Like go find something productive 00:14:52.940 --> 00:14:56.580 to do No, there's actually has moth wings in 00:14:56.580 --> 00:14:59.179 real life. We didn't know that. Oh, yeah I couldn't 00:14:59.179 --> 00:15:01.259 remember the name for a second, but I was like 00:15:01.259 --> 00:15:05.059 Yes, I don't know if he got necessarily cancelled 00:15:05.059 --> 00:15:07.320 But there was a lot of people who were coming 00:15:07.320 --> 00:15:09.899 at him and then he I think he tweeted I don't 00:15:09.899 --> 00:15:12.820 remember exactly what the tweet was but saying 00:15:12.820 --> 00:15:15.580 something about I'm not my character There have 00:15:15.580 --> 00:15:20.639 been so many people in Hollywood and movies and 00:15:20.639 --> 00:15:24.019 That play characters that are horrible people 00:15:24.019 --> 00:15:27.580 people who actually Existed in life at one point 00:15:27.580 --> 00:15:30.039 Does that mean that they are that person and 00:15:30.039 --> 00:15:33.080 that they share the same morals and ideals? No, 00:15:33.080 --> 00:15:35.700 it's acting I found the tweet if you would like 00:15:35.700 --> 00:15:39.480 me to read it. Oh, yes So this is a quote tweet 00:15:39.480 --> 00:15:42.669 in response to someone who said I'm so thankful 00:15:42.669 --> 00:15:45.570 that I saw your Hasbin Hotel Q &A panel at this 00:15:45.570 --> 00:15:48.070 con. And thank you for not hurting me like how 00:15:48.070 --> 00:15:50.549 Valentino was abusive since episode four. And 00:15:50.549 --> 00:15:52.669 the quote tweet that Perez made in response to 00:15:52.669 --> 00:15:54.909 that was, I'd like to make it abundantly clear 00:15:54.909 --> 00:15:58.649 that I, Joel Perez, am an actor and Hasbin Hotel 00:15:58.649 --> 00:16:01.090 is not a documentary. I've also put characters 00:16:01.090 --> 00:16:03.070 that are nice and silly and complex and loving 00:16:03.070 --> 00:16:06.269 and terrible and so on and on. It's called range. 00:16:07.399 --> 00:16:10.600 Like you can write characters that are horrible 00:16:10.600 --> 00:16:14.580 people that do horrible things to move a story 00:16:14.580 --> 00:16:17.340 forward. Don't come at their voice actors or 00:16:17.340 --> 00:16:20.139 their actors. Like they, the actors are being 00:16:20.139 --> 00:16:24.399 paid to say these things and to act it out. That's 00:16:24.399 --> 00:16:27.580 their job to make you believe it. So if they're 00:16:27.580 --> 00:16:29.860 doing a good job, you should probably just say, 00:16:30.200 --> 00:16:32.139 you made me really hate this character. Good 00:16:32.139 --> 00:16:34.820 job. By that logic, I should be canceled for 00:16:34.820 --> 00:16:39.000 having shot children. Yeah. Literally, I don't 00:16:39.000 --> 00:16:43.279 understand how things got so out of hand between 00:16:43.279 --> 00:16:49.779 when the internet was brought into our lives 00:16:49.779 --> 00:16:53.759 and now where it's just a means of violence. 00:16:54.580 --> 00:16:56.500 Remember when the internet was just a location 00:16:56.500 --> 00:16:59.279 in the house? Yeah, like when you had to dial 00:16:59.279 --> 00:17:01.360 up from the phone and get off the phone and want 00:17:01.360 --> 00:17:03.879 to get on the internet. You kids remember dial 00:17:03.879 --> 00:17:07.500 up? You had to use your phone to get on the internet. 00:17:08.000 --> 00:17:09.880 Are you on the computer? Get off the computer! 00:17:10.059 --> 00:17:12.440 I have to make a phone call from the landline! 00:17:13.039 --> 00:17:16.880 But mom, I'm trying to watch the anime! Yeah, 00:17:17.160 --> 00:17:21.900 seriously. It's just, oh my god. People can't 00:17:21.900 --> 00:17:25.529 enjoy things anymore without... somebody coming 00:17:25.529 --> 00:17:28.410 in and finding a reason to be negative about 00:17:28.410 --> 00:17:32.890 it and hate on it. And I just, it makes me so 00:17:32.890 --> 00:17:36.549 sad because I, the other day I was driving with 00:17:36.549 --> 00:17:38.789 my wife and we were just coming home from an 00:17:38.789 --> 00:17:43.269 appointment and I saw these two boys who looked 00:17:43.269 --> 00:17:45.990 like they were like elementary school age and 00:17:45.990 --> 00:17:48.190 they were outside with their little backpacks 00:17:48.190 --> 00:17:50.309 after school and they had sticks and they were 00:17:50.309 --> 00:17:52.529 like sword fighting each other with the sticks. 00:17:52.880 --> 00:17:58.440 And I was like, yes, yes. I love that. I love 00:17:58.440 --> 00:18:02.220 that you're not on your phones or your technology 00:18:02.220 --> 00:18:06.220 and you're like using your surroundings for enrichment 00:18:06.220 --> 00:18:10.839 for your life and actually being kids like the 00:18:10.839 --> 00:18:13.779 kids that are now on the internet too. Like it's 00:18:13.779 --> 00:18:15.759 younger and younger just lying about their age 00:18:15.759 --> 00:18:17.700 so they can get on the internet. And then it's 00:18:17.700 --> 00:18:20.819 like. They're exposed to all of these behaviors 00:18:20.819 --> 00:18:23.619 and this is how they're being raised and I think 00:18:23.619 --> 00:18:27.680 it depends on the generation people as well that 00:18:27.680 --> 00:18:31.220 are consuming the content that's out in the world 00:18:31.220 --> 00:18:35.460 right now, but Something that I've just I've 00:18:35.460 --> 00:18:40.940 noticed in my own spiritual journey and my own 00:18:40.940 --> 00:18:44.400 struggle with mental health and Trying to understand 00:18:44.400 --> 00:18:49.980 myself more as a person I would normally be embarrassed 00:18:49.980 --> 00:18:52.440 about working on. Sometimes I don't genuinely 00:18:52.440 --> 00:18:55.259 understand something, or I don't get the joke, 00:18:55.380 --> 00:18:58.500 or it goes over my head, or I say something and 00:18:58.500 --> 00:19:00.559 I'm panicking for the rest of the day because 00:19:00.559 --> 00:19:06.119 I think I said something stupid. I decided that 00:19:06.119 --> 00:19:09.619 I just need to be kinder to myself because the 00:19:09.619 --> 00:19:15.279 world is not going to be kind to me. The world 00:19:15.279 --> 00:19:18.119 is not going to be kind to any of us. It's just 00:19:18.119 --> 00:19:22.759 the way that it continues to go We're not Living 00:19:22.759 --> 00:19:26.720 in a time where we actually want to build each 00:19:26.720 --> 00:19:29.160 other up There are songs about that women want 00:19:29.160 --> 00:19:31.180 to lift other women up until another woman's 00:19:31.180 --> 00:19:33.000 doing better than you I don't remember who sang 00:19:33.000 --> 00:19:36.359 that song My brain is saying girls just want 00:19:36.359 --> 00:19:38.140 to have fun and I'm pretty sure that's not correct 00:19:38.140 --> 00:19:40.140 and everybody wants you to love yourself until 00:19:40.140 --> 00:19:44.599 you actually do Because then it's like when you 00:19:44.599 --> 00:19:47.740 love yourself your confidence is seen as cockiness 00:19:47.740 --> 00:19:50.700 and I think there's a difference too between 00:19:50.700 --> 00:19:53.299 cockiness and confidence that goes into the cancel 00:19:53.299 --> 00:19:55.940 culture as well because some people will see 00:19:55.940 --> 00:19:59.119 somebody living their best life and just genuinely 00:19:59.119 --> 00:20:01.920 living their life and they get mad at them for 00:20:01.920 --> 00:20:04.400 no reason just for sharing their lives like why 00:20:04.400 --> 00:20:05.940 do people want to share their lives with the 00:20:05.940 --> 00:20:09.319 internet everybody supports women by Sofia Ezele 00:20:09.319 --> 00:20:13.220 oh yes okay thank you I was like, I know the 00:20:13.220 --> 00:20:16.579 name is on the top of my head and I couldn't 00:20:16.579 --> 00:20:19.759 put my finger on it. But I love that song because 00:20:19.759 --> 00:20:22.839 it's so accurate. It's the contradiction, like 00:20:22.839 --> 00:20:28.660 the contradictions of the world. Where we say 00:20:28.660 --> 00:20:33.200 we listen, we don't judge or we say we want to 00:20:33.200 --> 00:20:35.400 lift other people up. But then when it comes 00:20:35.400 --> 00:20:39.549 to that person doing better than us. It's now 00:20:39.549 --> 00:20:41.490 we need to find a reason to bring them down a 00:20:41.490 --> 00:20:49.390 peg. And to me, I'm starting to see every day 00:20:49.390 --> 00:20:53.349 how the more I'm away from the internet and I'm 00:20:53.349 --> 00:20:57.150 not absorbed in it, the happier I have been because 00:20:57.150 --> 00:21:01.609 I've been more present in my life with my dogs 00:21:01.609 --> 00:21:05.329 and our cats and our little family and being 00:21:05.329 --> 00:21:10.329 able to not try so hard to achieve something 00:21:10.329 --> 00:21:16.410 so big by forcing myself to really overwork myself 00:21:16.410 --> 00:21:19.269 because for those that don't know I have a chronic 00:21:19.269 --> 00:21:22.089 illness and so I work full time but it's very 00:21:22.089 --> 00:21:25.630 difficult but I can't not work full time because 00:21:25.630 --> 00:21:29.430 in the world that we live in right now not working 00:21:29.430 --> 00:21:33.380 full time I cannot pay for anything it's hard 00:21:33.380 --> 00:21:35.880 enough as it is with both my wife and I working 00:21:35.880 --> 00:21:40.579 full -time and I'm able -bodied enough that I 00:21:40.579 --> 00:21:46.720 can have a job but for me it's like the medical 00:21:46.720 --> 00:21:49.940 health stuff that really gets in the way and 00:21:49.940 --> 00:21:53.619 that's why it's been such a struggle because 00:21:53.619 --> 00:21:56.480 jobs don't understand that they want worker bots 00:21:56.480 --> 00:22:00.180 they want people who don't understand what burnout 00:22:00.180 --> 00:22:04.700 is they Want you just to completely consume, 00:22:05.640 --> 00:22:09.579 like have work consume your life. I can't do 00:22:09.579 --> 00:22:14.960 that because I get really sick if I go too hard. 00:22:15.099 --> 00:22:18.039 And then I'm out of commission for a couple of 00:22:18.039 --> 00:22:20.400 days. And so for the longest time, I'm trying 00:22:20.400 --> 00:22:23.460 to find a job that's like hybrid that I can work 00:22:23.460 --> 00:22:25.599 from home most of the time, but then go out in 00:22:25.599 --> 00:22:27.819 person when I need to. It's a little bit more 00:22:27.819 --> 00:22:32.319 flexible. So luckily now. I have that option, 00:22:32.980 --> 00:22:37.279 but before it was so difficult to find positions 00:22:37.279 --> 00:22:40.579 like that. So that's why I was so stressed out 00:22:40.579 --> 00:22:42.819 about I need to make sure RSP becomes a thing. 00:22:42.920 --> 00:22:44.740 I want to make sure I can work for myself. So 00:22:44.740 --> 00:22:47.019 I don't have to like worry about this anymore. 00:22:47.019 --> 00:22:50.059 Like I can be responsible for myself, but then 00:22:50.059 --> 00:22:53.019 that requires having a huge company that's growing 00:22:53.019 --> 00:22:55.640 and then trying to fund that company on one paycheck. 00:22:55.920 --> 00:23:00.750 And it just, it gets so crazy out of hand so 00:23:00.750 --> 00:23:05.390 fast. It was such a huge life experience for 00:23:05.390 --> 00:23:09.769 me that I'm so happy I had. And it taught me 00:23:09.769 --> 00:23:15.069 a lot about just our lives in general. They're 00:23:15.069 --> 00:23:20.450 not meant to be plastered on the internet. They 00:23:20.450 --> 00:23:27.400 weren't for centuries and we were fine. And Now 00:23:27.400 --> 00:23:33.180 it's just a way to bring about violence and harm 00:23:33.180 --> 00:23:37.799 to people without even having to do anything. 00:23:38.200 --> 00:23:40.259 People can hide behind the screen all they want 00:23:40.259 --> 00:23:42.500 and say things about people, but when you're 00:23:42.500 --> 00:23:46.619 in person, that person that you were bringing 00:23:46.619 --> 00:23:49.759 down, nine times out of 10, you're not gonna 00:23:49.759 --> 00:23:53.359 say that to their face. And you're not gonna 00:23:53.359 --> 00:23:57.589 feel the same way. This person, really knew them 00:23:57.589 --> 00:24:00.609 and what they go through. Everybody has been 00:24:00.609 --> 00:24:07.589 through something and you don't know what it's 00:24:07.589 --> 00:24:10.650 like. You can have similar experiences, but to 00:24:10.650 --> 00:24:15.410 say that you understand what a person, you don't 00:24:15.410 --> 00:24:19.950 really, unless your experience is exact experience, 00:24:20.230 --> 00:24:25.289 which is pretty much unheard of. So. cancel cultures 00:24:25.289 --> 00:24:29.549 like people who just want to be aggressive and 00:24:29.549 --> 00:24:33.990 angry. And in my brain, I'm like, if this is 00:24:33.990 --> 00:24:36.730 something that is truly needing to be handled, 00:24:36.829 --> 00:24:38.609 why aren't the authorities getting involved? 00:24:39.069 --> 00:24:41.769 We're not the authorities. The internet is not 00:24:41.769 --> 00:24:45.089 the authorities. Go do your homework. Go touch 00:24:45.089 --> 00:24:47.470 grass. Let the authorities handle it. If it's 00:24:47.470 --> 00:24:50.069 something that needs to be handled, call the 00:24:50.069 --> 00:24:53.470 authorities. Tell them about it. and let them 00:24:53.470 --> 00:24:56.789 handle it. But I think then that can go off on 00:24:56.789 --> 00:24:59.390 another tangent about if we think authorities 00:24:59.390 --> 00:25:01.990 are actually doing what they need to do with 00:25:01.990 --> 00:25:05.069 cases like on the internet. And then that's blurred 00:25:05.069 --> 00:25:11.170 too because the internet is such a sticky situation 00:25:11.170 --> 00:25:13.769 where it's, is this really a real life problem? 00:25:13.890 --> 00:25:17.210 Is this an internet problem? How can we deal 00:25:17.210 --> 00:25:21.269 with this legally? It just... It's gotten to 00:25:21.269 --> 00:25:25.569 the point where I don't know if anybody knows 00:25:25.569 --> 00:25:29.710 what they can and can't do anymore just because 00:25:29.710 --> 00:25:34.529 it's so out of our hands and out of control that 00:25:34.529 --> 00:25:37.349 You know people want to talk about these things, 00:25:37.470 --> 00:25:39.930 but they're afraid to myself included I stumble 00:25:39.930 --> 00:25:42.210 over my words quite a bit and I try to think 00:25:42.210 --> 00:25:45.019 about what I'm saying because I even have that 00:25:45.019 --> 00:25:47.599 little voice in the back of my head going, you're 00:25:47.599 --> 00:25:49.119 going to say something that's going to piss somebody 00:25:49.119 --> 00:25:53.680 off. And it's okay. But at the same time, deal 00:25:53.680 --> 00:25:59.119 with it. Like people need to develop a thicker 00:25:59.119 --> 00:26:03.039 skin and learn that in order to get anywhere 00:26:03.039 --> 00:26:07.339 in this life, you need to work hard and you need 00:26:07.339 --> 00:26:12.680 to learn how to Grow as a person by reflecting 00:26:12.680 --> 00:26:15.119 on your own mistakes the only person at the end 00:26:15.119 --> 00:26:18.279 of the day that you have to answer to is yourself 00:26:18.279 --> 00:26:21.160 Other people can hold you accountable. That's 00:26:21.160 --> 00:26:27.220 fine but You're the only person that really can 00:26:27.220 --> 00:26:29.359 hold yourself accountable and make that change. 00:26:29.380 --> 00:26:33.180 You're the only person that can actually decide 00:26:33.180 --> 00:26:36.180 You know what? That's a good point. I should 00:26:36.180 --> 00:26:40.519 change that behavior. I should work on that But 00:26:40.519 --> 00:26:43.480 I've met a few who aren't like that who are just 00:26:43.480 --> 00:26:46.319 I've been through X Y & Z. So the world owes 00:26:46.319 --> 00:26:51.019 me something. Yeah, and You upset me by doing 00:26:51.019 --> 00:26:54.420 this But I had no part in it. That's not how 00:26:54.420 --> 00:26:57.460 it works. That's not how Communication works. 00:26:57.460 --> 00:26:59.420 That's not how language works when you have a 00:26:59.420 --> 00:27:03.240 falling out with somebody Usual it's from both 00:27:03.240 --> 00:27:05.420 sides because there's their side your side and 00:27:05.420 --> 00:27:09.279 the truth. I think one of my biggest things that 00:27:10.119 --> 00:27:14.900 Comes with not understanding cancel culture is 00:27:14.900 --> 00:27:21.259 the lack of Actual connection that you have with 00:27:21.259 --> 00:27:26.500 that person and actually Like the context that 00:27:26.500 --> 00:27:28.880 things were being said because there's also things 00:27:28.880 --> 00:27:31.480 that have been edited out there's things that 00:27:31.609 --> 00:27:34.410 people can make edits of certain things and take 00:27:34.410 --> 00:27:37.690 people's words and now with AI and all of these 00:27:37.690 --> 00:27:40.930 other scary things. People can make something 00:27:40.930 --> 00:27:47.970 up and make it look really real and really damage 00:27:47.970 --> 00:27:53.049 somebody's life just because they can. And it's 00:27:53.049 --> 00:27:57.349 terrible. Like the human compassion. that we're 00:27:57.349 --> 00:28:00.410 capable of having, I feel like has been squandered 00:28:00.410 --> 00:28:06.269 so much by us consuming media and not actually 00:28:06.269 --> 00:28:09.309 going outside and experiencing the earth that 00:28:09.309 --> 00:28:13.250 we live on, that we're actively destroying. And 00:28:13.250 --> 00:28:19.130 it's just so sad to me that we're in a world 00:28:19.130 --> 00:28:22.150 that's so hateful that thinks that they need 00:28:22.150 --> 00:28:26.660 to constantly Hurt others in order to feel better 00:28:26.660 --> 00:28:30.880 about themselves. We live in a society Yeah, 00:28:31.519 --> 00:28:34.240 I couldn't be president. I just I know nothing 00:28:34.240 --> 00:28:37.480 about laws. I could barely walk on my own two 00:28:37.480 --> 00:28:41.079 feet half the time, but You know all of it in 00:28:41.079 --> 00:28:45.960 politics But I I catch myself on stream a lot 00:28:45.960 --> 00:28:47.519 Well, I'll make a joke like that and be like 00:28:47.519 --> 00:28:48.799 someone's gonna take that the wrong way So I 00:28:48.799 --> 00:28:50.839 have to look at the camera and specify that's 00:28:50.839 --> 00:28:53.250 a joke. Yeah the other day I don't remember what 00:28:53.250 --> 00:28:55.029 the context was, because I haven't gotten around 00:28:55.029 --> 00:28:57.630 to editing that part yet, but I made a joke with 00:28:57.630 --> 00:29:01.809 my friend being like, oh, a woman can't do this 00:29:01.809 --> 00:29:04.990 job. She'll just get her periods all over herpaderpadoo. 00:29:05.230 --> 00:29:07.549 The joke is not women bad. The joke is that's 00:29:07.549 --> 00:29:09.849 an insane thing to say. Yeah. And I still had 00:29:09.849 --> 00:29:11.410 to look at the camera being like, that's a joke, 00:29:11.430 --> 00:29:13.430 by the way, just in case that wasn't clear. Even 00:29:13.430 --> 00:29:17.089 though my cohost with me is a woman. Yeah. I 00:29:17.089 --> 00:29:19.509 still felt the need to clarify that because of 00:29:19.509 --> 00:29:22.549 just how the internet is. Yeah, because it's 00:29:22.549 --> 00:29:26.630 like you can not care about being canceled, but 00:29:26.630 --> 00:29:30.769 then Everybody cares about that Everybody cares 00:29:30.769 --> 00:29:33.970 about having a smear campaign against them and 00:29:33.970 --> 00:29:36.730 just being constantly harassed by other people 00:29:36.730 --> 00:29:39.109 Of course, you're gonna care about that even 00:29:39.109 --> 00:29:43.430 if you say you don't it's a scary thing because 00:29:43.430 --> 00:29:50.640 nothing is private anymore and people who are 00:29:50.640 --> 00:29:54.720 delusional and live on the internet, really think 00:29:54.720 --> 00:29:58.279 that this is their way of becoming the next superhero. 00:29:58.960 --> 00:30:02.299 And I'm going to change the world. This person 00:30:02.299 --> 00:30:04.700 is the villain. This is the new villain. I'm 00:30:04.700 --> 00:30:07.940 the superhero. And we're like, who are you? I 00:30:07.940 --> 00:30:11.099 am vengeance. I am the knight. Just some guy 00:30:11.099 --> 00:30:13.480 on his computer. It's like the other day I was 00:30:13.480 --> 00:30:16.240 watching Cinnamon Toast Ken, who I love. And 00:30:16.240 --> 00:30:20.369 he had brought Chris Hansen onto his show. and 00:30:20.369 --> 00:30:22.690 they're talking about To Catch a Predator and 00:30:22.690 --> 00:30:25.170 that show that has been around for a really long 00:30:25.170 --> 00:30:29.730 time. Does it still air? I don't think To Catch 00:30:29.730 --> 00:30:32.509 a Predator is still airing, but this is where 00:30:32.509 --> 00:30:36.109 I have so many moments where I know exactly what 00:30:36.109 --> 00:30:38.170 I'm talking about, but the name doesn't come 00:30:38.170 --> 00:30:42.730 to the front of my mind. Chris Hansen has, I 00:30:42.730 --> 00:30:47.049 think it's Sit Down with Chris, Take Down with 00:30:47.049 --> 00:30:51.859 Chris. something like that, but he's been doing 00:30:51.859 --> 00:30:54.819 it for a long time and he sat with Kenan Buff 00:30:54.819 --> 00:30:59.799 Pro and he talked very candidly about how on 00:30:59.799 --> 00:31:03.400 YouTube now you see a lot of these predator catching 00:31:03.400 --> 00:31:06.299 groups go out and do these things, but they're 00:31:06.299 --> 00:31:10.640 not even doing it in a way that could lead to 00:31:10.640 --> 00:31:13.299 this case being prosecuted and actually getting 00:31:13.299 --> 00:31:17.289 a result. they're doing it to shame people. And 00:31:17.289 --> 00:31:19.990 there was a video where somebody, and again, 00:31:19.990 --> 00:31:21.930 I don't know, I just saw this clip, but it was 00:31:21.930 --> 00:31:25.170 like, you eat this dog poop and we'll let you 00:31:25.170 --> 00:31:30.809 go. Yeah. And I'm like, so what was the point? 00:31:31.349 --> 00:31:34.109 Embarrassing them, making them put something 00:31:34.109 --> 00:31:35.730 in their body that's going to make them sick? 00:31:36.049 --> 00:31:39.710 I don't understand. Like, why do you went through 00:31:39.710 --> 00:31:45.579 all of this to then just literally harass and 00:31:45.579 --> 00:31:49.279 bully somebody for views and clicks. You have 00:31:49.279 --> 00:31:50.619 no life. Some people watched The Punisher and 00:31:50.619 --> 00:31:53.619 were like, that could be me. Chris was talking 00:31:53.619 --> 00:31:57.140 about how maybe it's entertaining to some people. 00:31:57.559 --> 00:31:59.599 I don't understand, but maybe it's entertaining 00:31:59.599 --> 00:32:02.339 and that's what gets them views and money. But 00:32:02.339 --> 00:32:06.220 what happens to these actual people that they 00:32:06.220 --> 00:32:08.339 let them go because they got their laughs and 00:32:08.339 --> 00:32:10.759 their kicks out of making them do something embarrassing? 00:32:11.839 --> 00:32:14.779 what stops them from going and re -offending 00:32:14.779 --> 00:32:18.920 again. Literally nothing. All I had to do was 00:32:18.920 --> 00:32:20.940 be embarrassed a little so I can just keep doing 00:32:20.940 --> 00:32:23.779 whatever I want. Sometimes it turns people from 00:32:23.779 --> 00:32:26.460 doing it, but just like Chris had said, he thought 00:32:26.460 --> 00:32:29.819 his show, To Catch a Predator, would deter people 00:32:29.819 --> 00:32:34.460 from making stupid, gross mistakes. But nope, 00:32:34.579 --> 00:32:37.059 it's still happening. And that's why he still 00:32:37.059 --> 00:32:40.059 has a new show about it. but he's talking about 00:32:40.059 --> 00:32:42.319 these vigilante groups, which is what he calls 00:32:42.319 --> 00:32:45.880 them, and to go out. Really? Huh? It is, that 00:32:45.880 --> 00:32:49.579 is what they are. Yeah, like it's vigilante groups, 00:32:49.599 --> 00:32:52.440 but then you're going out and you're like, I'm 00:32:52.440 --> 00:32:54.859 a big, tough person and I'm going to scare you. 00:32:55.519 --> 00:32:57.960 But what is happening like behind the scenes? 00:32:58.859 --> 00:33:02.259 Has anything coming of this? No. Because then 00:33:02.259 --> 00:33:05.000 legally you get into the whole thing of was it 00:33:05.000 --> 00:33:07.660 entrapment? And then there's no case, because 00:33:07.660 --> 00:33:09.619 it gets thrown out. And then this person, if 00:33:09.619 --> 00:33:12.440 they actually are a danger to society, can go 00:33:12.440 --> 00:33:17.480 and do it again. And there's always gonna be 00:33:17.480 --> 00:33:19.700 the chance that there is a one time that it's 00:33:19.700 --> 00:33:23.259 not a sting. That person's gonna ruin somebody's 00:33:23.259 --> 00:33:29.640 life. And it's just, I understand where the internet 00:33:29.640 --> 00:33:33.880 came in wanting to be better for people. wanting 00:33:33.880 --> 00:33:37.440 to help us expand our knowledge and be a good 00:33:37.440 --> 00:33:43.660 resource for us. But it's turned into an actual 00:33:43.660 --> 00:33:48.799 playground of just honestly, that's how I see 00:33:48.799 --> 00:33:51.059 it just like a playground or like germs and kids 00:33:51.059 --> 00:33:54.559 running around screaming and crying and he stole 00:33:54.559 --> 00:33:57.480 my ball. I hate him. Oh, everybody look, we're 00:33:57.480 --> 00:34:00.079 gonna hate him now because he stole my ball and 00:34:00.279 --> 00:34:05.599 It's become ridiculous. People aren't even aware 00:34:05.599 --> 00:34:11.139 of themselves as people anymore. It's like an 00:34:11.139 --> 00:34:14.760 out -of -body experience almost. While it's a 00:34:14.760 --> 00:34:17.719 good resource and a great way to connect and 00:34:17.719 --> 00:34:21.820 network, it's rare nowadays to see it actually 00:34:21.820 --> 00:34:27.079 being used for those reasons. I have a briefly 00:34:27.079 --> 00:34:31.000 related tangent. Yeah. If you don't know, you 00:34:31.000 --> 00:34:34.059 know this, Rain. I'm a Digimon fan. I know, right? 00:34:35.260 --> 00:34:37.500 My username definitely isn't a Digimon reference. 00:34:37.980 --> 00:34:40.559 Anyway, the consensus among the fandom is that 00:34:40.559 --> 00:34:42.619 Digimon Tamers is the best season for its darker 00:34:42.619 --> 00:34:44.360 tone, its characters, its writing, et cetera. 00:34:45.239 --> 00:34:47.940 And everyone wanted there to be a sequel. In 00:34:47.940 --> 00:34:50.679 2021, there was a sequel written by the writer 00:34:50.679 --> 00:34:54.280 of Tamers, Chiaki J. Konaka. It wasn't actually 00:34:54.280 --> 00:34:56.260 an anime. It was an audio drama, which, fine. 00:34:56.639 --> 00:35:00.550 We listened to it. The main antagonist of the 00:35:00.550 --> 00:35:04.769 Tamers audio drama in 2021 is a giant robot called 00:35:04.769 --> 00:35:07.570 political correctness and its special attack 00:35:07.570 --> 00:35:10.989 is called cancel culture. Yes, really. I listened 00:35:10.989 --> 00:35:13.849 to it. The robot literally says in its robot 00:35:13.849 --> 00:35:17.849 voice, can activating cancel culture. I actually 00:35:17.849 --> 00:35:22.070 just got physically ill hearing that. Like my 00:35:22.070 --> 00:35:24.710 body just went through hot flashes and I'm only 00:35:24.710 --> 00:35:28.590 32. Like I just. I'm sorry I gave you menopause 00:35:28.590 --> 00:35:30.949 early with that information. I think you did. 00:35:32.050 --> 00:35:36.050 Oh my god, that's... Thankfully, the entire Digimon 00:35:36.050 --> 00:35:39.349 fandom did not get cancelled over that. Because 00:35:39.349 --> 00:35:42.730 goddamn, what we've agreed on is that never happened. 00:35:42.789 --> 00:35:44.849 That isn't real. It was all a fever dream that 00:35:44.849 --> 00:35:48.909 we all had simultaneously. Yeah. I feel like 00:35:48.909 --> 00:35:50.949 we're living in a fever dream right now. That's 00:35:50.949 --> 00:35:53.949 what it feels like. I had to know this entire 00:35:53.949 --> 00:35:56.869 podcast so far. I've had to refrain from referencing... 00:35:59.779 --> 00:36:02.760 This is the first podcast that we've done, so 00:36:02.760 --> 00:36:04.400 it's probably gonna be a little bit all over 00:36:04.400 --> 00:36:06.860 the place, but I feel like the topic itself of 00:36:06.860 --> 00:36:09.199 cancel culture is all over the place, so it makes 00:36:09.199 --> 00:36:11.219 sense. I mean, I do still have that list of slurs 00:36:11.219 --> 00:36:14.719 prepared if you need to delete it. No! You're 00:36:14.719 --> 00:36:19.239 fired! No! You can't fire me, I'm gay! But it's 00:36:19.239 --> 00:36:21.900 like, in general, like even making jokes like 00:36:21.900 --> 00:36:25.340 that, I feel like... Somebody somewhere is gonna 00:36:25.340 --> 00:36:28.280 be like what the heck? Yeah, I can't believe 00:36:28.280 --> 00:36:31.260 rain committed a hate crime against dark ringer. 00:36:31.260 --> 00:36:34.880 Oh my god. It's terrible I know more like song 00:36:34.880 --> 00:36:38.559 of canceled hashtag. Yeah Yeah, absolutely. I 00:36:38.559 --> 00:36:41.780 don't know. I can't even people were making fun 00:36:41.780 --> 00:36:43.659 of me Like I have friends who are younger than 00:36:43.659 --> 00:36:47.019 me who are like in their 20s and oh my god You're 00:36:47.019 --> 00:36:49.840 so chronically offline or you're such a grandma 00:36:49.840 --> 00:36:54.800 because I don't know And I'm like, I don't know 00:36:54.800 --> 00:36:57.420 what the slang is, I don't understand, I don't 00:36:57.420 --> 00:37:01.099 know what's going on in their life. Silly Reign, 00:37:01.340 --> 00:37:04.659 you're so skibbity -riz Ohio phantom tax. I don't 00:37:04.659 --> 00:37:06.880 know what any of those mean individually, I heard 00:37:06.880 --> 00:37:09.820 them in, there's a video that's like the Skyrim 00:37:09.820 --> 00:37:12.079 intro but it's all replaced with Gen Alpha slang 00:37:12.079 --> 00:37:15.300 and it's really f***ing funny. Like even - It's 00:37:15.300 --> 00:37:18.440 crazy to me because even my dad who he has a 00:37:18.440 --> 00:37:20.480 video on YouTube because he did an interview. 00:37:20.679 --> 00:37:23.340 He did like a little talk at one of his meetings. 00:37:23.340 --> 00:37:26.980 He's a doctor and he Middle Eastern dad who's 00:37:26.980 --> 00:37:31.820 a doctor. No crazy. Just unbelievable. That's 00:37:31.820 --> 00:37:37.000 insane. That's the joke. But he was talking about 00:37:37.000 --> 00:37:40.960 how even with me growing up, he didn't specify 00:37:40.960 --> 00:37:44.079 us, but obviously he was seeing that in the nineties 00:37:44.079 --> 00:37:48.460 when everything was ramping up, how it's affected 00:37:48.460 --> 00:37:51.900 people, especially kids, because he's a pediatrician. 00:37:52.539 --> 00:37:54.880 So especially kids that come into his office 00:37:54.880 --> 00:37:56.800 that are so attached to their phone, they can't 00:37:56.800 --> 00:38:00.039 even talk to him. They didn't even acknowledge 00:38:00.039 --> 00:38:03.360 that he's there and he's like, hi, I'm here to 00:38:03.360 --> 00:38:05.780 give you a shot. Make sure you're okay. Like, 00:38:05.800 --> 00:38:10.559 how are things going? Or he's had. young people 00:38:10.559 --> 00:38:14.199 come in and talk about how the amount of likes 00:38:14.199 --> 00:38:16.559 that they're getting on social media is making 00:38:16.559 --> 00:38:19.039 them feel like they're not beautiful or making 00:38:19.039 --> 00:38:23.199 them feel like they're not worthy and it's causing 00:38:23.199 --> 00:38:26.199 this depression and the rapid decline of mental 00:38:26.199 --> 00:38:30.460 health and my dad was never somebody who spoke 00:38:30.460 --> 00:38:32.840 about mental health because we're like I said 00:38:32.840 --> 00:38:35.920 half Lebanese like his dad probably didn't even 00:38:35.920 --> 00:38:39.030 know what those words meant it just It was not 00:38:39.030 --> 00:38:43.510 a thing that he talked about long, like when 00:38:43.510 --> 00:38:46.329 I was born in the nineties, it's started talking 00:38:46.329 --> 00:38:48.769 about it, but it still was, I feel like a taboo 00:38:48.769 --> 00:38:52.289 subject almost, especially in the medical field 00:38:52.289 --> 00:38:54.349 because they're still struggling with it now 00:38:54.349 --> 00:38:58.510 to get the resources that people need. And so 00:38:58.510 --> 00:39:00.570 hearing him even come around and talk about it, 00:39:00.789 --> 00:39:03.309 it really shocked me because he's not the kind 00:39:03.309 --> 00:39:07.210 of person when I grew up that really talked about 00:39:07.210 --> 00:39:09.429 that or like really understood that it wasn't 00:39:09.429 --> 00:39:13.010 a lot of he was more like okay this is the physical 00:39:13.010 --> 00:39:15.510 body this is what is hurting this is how you 00:39:15.510 --> 00:39:21.230 fix it like very logical and so when he was talking 00:39:21.230 --> 00:39:25.570 about that it really opened my eyes as well because 00:39:25.570 --> 00:39:32.409 to see him understand how horrible and negative 00:39:32.409 --> 00:39:37.420 of an impact it's having on especially the younger 00:39:37.420 --> 00:39:44.340 generation. And these people that are being consumed 00:39:44.340 --> 00:39:47.219 by the internet, these are our future. This is 00:39:47.219 --> 00:39:50.579 here at all the time, but it's true. Like, how 00:39:50.579 --> 00:39:54.139 are we going to learn to be better people if 00:39:54.139 --> 00:39:58.719 we're being raised by the internet and by influencers 00:39:58.719 --> 00:40:03.030 and people who we don't know? Remember when Jenna 00:40:03.030 --> 00:40:05.010 Marbles was allegedly supposed to be raising 00:40:05.010 --> 00:40:08.269 our kids or whatever that movement was? I don't 00:40:08.269 --> 00:40:13.789 know but Jenna Marbles Love her and she said 00:40:13.789 --> 00:40:15.369 something in a video once and then there was 00:40:15.369 --> 00:40:17.030 a whole Twitter thing of Jenna Marbles should 00:40:17.030 --> 00:40:19.110 be raising our kids She shouldn't be using language 00:40:19.110 --> 00:40:21.429 like that. No, you should be raising your kids 00:40:21.429 --> 00:40:24.960 what and then she like left the internet And 00:40:24.960 --> 00:40:28.159 I think she's just been so much happier since 00:40:28.159 --> 00:40:30.880 then. And I'm like, good for you, dude. She was 00:40:30.880 --> 00:40:35.099 big on the internet. And people want her to come 00:40:35.099 --> 00:40:37.300 back. But I'm like, listen, dude, her mental 00:40:37.300 --> 00:40:39.539 health is probably so much better right now. 00:40:40.099 --> 00:40:42.900 As much as I love Jenna Marbles, and I would 00:40:42.900 --> 00:40:45.500 love to see her again in a video, she doesn't 00:40:45.500 --> 00:40:49.079 owe me that. No. She doesn't owe any of us that. 00:40:49.440 --> 00:40:54.320 She is a human being with her own life. And she 00:40:54.320 --> 00:40:57.139 deserves that privacy. She deserves to have the 00:40:57.139 --> 00:41:02.940 comfort of being detached from this virtual world 00:41:02.940 --> 00:41:07.519 and live in her own world where she's, you know, 00:41:07.599 --> 00:41:10.880 there's physical, real life moments that are 00:41:10.880 --> 00:41:14.719 happening for her and everybody else that we're 00:41:14.719 --> 00:41:19.340 ignoring because we want fame and fortune. And... 00:41:19.159 --> 00:41:22.460 at the end of the day too people who are crazy 00:41:22.460 --> 00:41:27.820 rich actors and celebrities a lot of them are 00:41:27.820 --> 00:41:32.039 detached because when they get so big in terms 00:41:32.039 --> 00:41:34.960 of fame they lose that sense of self and they 00:41:34.960 --> 00:41:40.659 just become a product and it's not even they 00:41:40.659 --> 00:41:43.539 don't have that attachment to that human side 00:41:43.539 --> 00:41:47.849 of them anymore which I feel like is something 00:41:47.849 --> 00:41:51.550 that we should all hold on to very dearly because 00:41:51.550 --> 00:41:57.550 that's what makes us able to stay grounded and 00:41:57.550 --> 00:42:01.010 be better people and not just think that we've 00:42:01.010 --> 00:42:05.309 achieved X so we're now at the highlight of our 00:42:05.309 --> 00:42:08.909 life. It can change at any moment and nobody 00:42:08.909 --> 00:42:11.969 lives forever. What are you doing on this earth 00:42:11.969 --> 00:42:15.949 that's going to impact the people who are closest 00:42:15.949 --> 00:42:21.070 to you? That really matter I'm telling strangers 00:42:21.070 --> 00:42:23.289 on the internet that they should die. That's 00:42:23.289 --> 00:42:26.889 what I'm doing When people do that, it's just 00:42:26.889 --> 00:42:29.889 that's a whole other subject, which it's just 00:42:29.889 --> 00:42:33.869 and it goes into cancer culture again, like Why 00:42:33.869 --> 00:42:36.110 are you saying those things who taught you to 00:42:36.110 --> 00:42:38.849 speak like this to another person? Where are 00:42:38.849 --> 00:42:44.530 your parents probably? I mean listen Yeah, I 00:42:44.530 --> 00:42:47.179 wouldn't blame him for that I found Ahmed the 00:42:47.179 --> 00:42:49.840 dead terrorist funny, but now it's meh. Yeah, 00:42:49.840 --> 00:42:53.679 but that's not Ahmed telling people to die. He's 00:42:53.679 --> 00:42:57.860 just being ridiculous and stereotypical. And 00:42:57.860 --> 00:43:00.079 it's also like something with cancel culture 00:43:00.079 --> 00:43:03.360 that I find interesting too is it's almost as 00:43:03.360 --> 00:43:08.400 if certain groups of people and it's people like 00:43:08.400 --> 00:43:12.920 friend groups or like groups that can make the 00:43:12.920 --> 00:43:15.550 jokes in the group. together but then if it gets 00:43:15.550 --> 00:43:19.670 out oh no i didn't mean that and it's like why 00:43:19.670 --> 00:43:23.289 would you say these things knowing that the internet 00:43:23.289 --> 00:43:27.050 is forever and all it takes is somebody to be 00:43:27.050 --> 00:43:31.030 like oh thanks and then run with it or again 00:43:31.030 --> 00:43:33.809 they could fake it and these people could ruin 00:43:33.809 --> 00:43:36.949 your life they could ruin your real life job 00:43:36.949 --> 00:43:40.090 they could really do damage And at the end of 00:43:40.090 --> 00:43:42.230 the day, why are you trying to impress a bunch 00:43:42.230 --> 00:43:46.030 of strangers? Because you're getting money? Okay, 00:43:46.650 --> 00:43:51.349 money pays your bills, but are you being fulfilled 00:43:51.349 --> 00:43:58.110 on a spiritual and a soul level? Do you feel 00:43:58.110 --> 00:44:01.190 connected to who you are as a person? Do you 00:44:01.190 --> 00:44:02.989 feel connected to the people that are around 00:44:02.989 --> 00:44:06.809 you who see you and know you exist and you're 00:44:06.809 --> 00:44:09.199 not behind a screen like You were physically 00:44:09.199 --> 00:44:12.860 there with them. These people who can hug you 00:44:12.860 --> 00:44:17.400 and talk to you and share these moments and experiences 00:44:17.400 --> 00:44:23.480 with you, these are the people that really need 00:44:23.480 --> 00:44:28.400 you to be you. You don't need to perform for 00:44:28.400 --> 00:44:31.119 these people. They're the people that you ignore 00:44:31.119 --> 00:44:34.079 the most because you want the attention of strangers. 00:44:34.920 --> 00:44:38.519 And it's just, it's a warped view. that the world 00:44:38.519 --> 00:44:43.179 has now. And thinking that celebrities are like 00:44:43.179 --> 00:44:45.460 gods, they're like, no, they go home and they 00:44:45.460 --> 00:44:48.400 poop in their toilet just like you do. If they 00:44:48.400 --> 00:44:51.159 have Taco Bell, it's a nasty one. I'm just telling 00:44:51.159 --> 00:44:54.619 you. Yeah, I'm like, it's the same thing. Just 00:44:54.619 --> 00:44:58.639 because they get glamorous, I bet you anything, 00:44:59.340 --> 00:45:02.760 celebrities after they have a whole day. They 00:45:02.760 --> 00:45:06.360 go home, they turn, they shower, they become 00:45:06.360 --> 00:45:10.280 like the sleepy, exhausted versions of themselves 00:45:10.280 --> 00:45:12.320 with messy hair and baggy clothes and they just 00:45:12.320 --> 00:45:13.900 want to sleep. At the end of the day, they're 00:45:13.900 --> 00:45:16.539 doing a job. They're not, they're entertaining 00:45:16.539 --> 00:45:19.179 us and it's wonderful to share this talent with 00:45:19.179 --> 00:45:21.659 people that you have, like actors and singers 00:45:21.659 --> 00:45:24.579 and musicians and everybody. You want to share 00:45:24.579 --> 00:45:26.969 that talent with the world. But you're still 00:45:26.969 --> 00:45:29.230 a person at the end of the day, you're still 00:45:29.230 --> 00:45:33.329 a human with needs to eat and sleep and drink 00:45:33.329 --> 00:45:39.530 water, go to the bathroom, exercise. We're on 00:45:39.530 --> 00:45:42.889 the same level. We just have different jobs. 00:45:47.030 --> 00:45:49.250 So cancel culture goes into that as well with 00:45:49.250 --> 00:45:52.269 the celebrities of like, people get so involved 00:45:52.269 --> 00:45:54.170 in celebrities' lives and then people are like, 00:45:54.170 --> 00:45:56.239 they shouldn't have put their lives out. for 00:45:56.239 --> 00:46:00.639 the public. What do you expect them to do? That's 00:46:00.639 --> 00:46:04.880 the job they chose. They can try to be as private 00:46:04.880 --> 00:46:08.860 as they'd like, but with the paparazzi and how 00:46:08.860 --> 00:46:14.920 the world is, it's very difficult to have a private 00:46:14.920 --> 00:46:18.659 life, especially the bigger and more recognized 00:46:18.659 --> 00:46:25.199 you are. It is so much more difficult to even 00:46:25.199 --> 00:46:28.550 have moments of peace to yourself and then you 00:46:28.550 --> 00:46:30.630 think about it from a human standpoint what if 00:46:30.630 --> 00:46:32.590 they're having these moments of peace finally 00:46:32.590 --> 00:46:35.030 after this craziness and always feeling surrounded 00:46:35.030 --> 00:46:38.610 and then people are lashing out at paparazzi 00:46:38.610 --> 00:46:40.429 because they're suddenly in their face and flashing 00:46:40.429 --> 00:46:43.110 cameras at them I can understand why they'd be 00:46:43.110 --> 00:46:47.590 upset you can't even just go to the grocery store 00:46:47.590 --> 00:46:54.130 without being harassed Listen, we're going to 00:46:54.130 --> 00:46:57.630 talk about that later. But it's I think there's 00:46:57.630 --> 00:46:59.650 just so much detachment, especially from the 00:46:59.650 --> 00:47:02.250 Internet, because of the numbers that we see 00:47:02.250 --> 00:47:05.289 and the money that comes into play that we totally 00:47:05.289 --> 00:47:08.929 forget that celebrities are literally the same 00:47:08.929 --> 00:47:12.289 level as we are. We're all just people. We're 00:47:12.289 --> 00:47:16.489 not better than anybody else. It's that's just 00:47:16.489 --> 00:47:18.789 your job. You're a singer. Good for you. You're 00:47:18.789 --> 00:47:21.809 the top singer in the world. Good for you. Amazing. 00:47:21.849 --> 00:47:24.510 Good job. That doesn't make you better than me. 00:47:24.889 --> 00:47:27.489 It just doesn't. At the end of the day, you can 00:47:27.489 --> 00:47:31.269 even argue people who work like firefighters 00:47:31.269 --> 00:47:35.230 that work in human services that are actively 00:47:35.230 --> 00:47:39.349 out there every day, changing lives and helping 00:47:39.349 --> 00:47:42.829 people face to face. These are, they're like 00:47:42.829 --> 00:47:46.969 really getting their hands dirty and they're 00:47:46.969 --> 00:47:50.210 doing really hard work. Just because a celebrity 00:47:50.210 --> 00:47:52.329 makes more money than them doesn't make their 00:47:52.329 --> 00:47:57.849 work any less rewarding and any less Beneficial 00:47:57.849 --> 00:48:00.730 to the world This is something that I do too 00:48:00.730 --> 00:48:03.949 because I feel very rewarded by my job and I 00:48:03.949 --> 00:48:06.650 don't make a lot of money at all I should be 00:48:06.650 --> 00:48:09.650 making more but you know what? It's the economy 00:48:09.650 --> 00:48:11.750 we live in right now. And that's just how it 00:48:11.750 --> 00:48:15.969 is teachers don't get paid enough People in human 00:48:15.969 --> 00:48:20.500 services don't get paid enough and we're in that 00:48:20.500 --> 00:48:23.539 community where we're helping people in need, 00:48:23.719 --> 00:48:27.519 and we're helping people who don't have as many 00:48:27.519 --> 00:48:32.500 access to resources as a celebrity does. But 00:48:32.500 --> 00:48:35.960 how often are celebrities also helping people 00:48:35.960 --> 00:48:39.239 who need help finding those resources? Sometimes 00:48:39.239 --> 00:48:44.460 they do, but all the time. You know the world 00:48:44.460 --> 00:48:47.420 could be a better bigger celebrities and richer 00:48:47.420 --> 00:48:51.099 people made went towards getting access to those 00:48:51.099 --> 00:48:56.179 resources But it's because we live in a world 00:48:56.179 --> 00:49:00.599 of greed and nobody wants to actually help unless 00:49:00.599 --> 00:49:06.980 it becomes a PR issue and That's just really 00:49:06.980 --> 00:49:11.659 sad to me the disconnect between humanity and 00:49:11.929 --> 00:49:14.550 the world. It's even hard to explain because 00:49:14.550 --> 00:49:19.550 it's so unreal to me. I can't wrap my mind around 00:49:19.550 --> 00:49:23.610 it because when you really think about it like 00:49:23.610 --> 00:49:27.550 you really sit for a while and you reflect on 00:49:27.550 --> 00:49:31.489 how it was before the internet was around and 00:49:31.489 --> 00:49:37.730 how it is now really terrifying and really scary 00:49:37.730 --> 00:49:44.000 and I just, I don't know if it'll ever change. 00:49:44.179 --> 00:49:47.659 I hope it does. I hope things get better. It's 00:49:47.659 --> 00:49:51.320 gonna take reframing their mindset though. But 00:49:51.320 --> 00:49:55.820 that requires effort. We can't do that. It requires 00:49:55.820 --> 00:50:02.880 effort. It requires looking at yourself. It requires 00:50:02.880 --> 00:50:09.429 taking a lot of moments to reflect and Think 00:50:09.429 --> 00:50:12.630 about ways that you could have responded differently. 00:50:12.769 --> 00:50:15.909 Think about conversations that you've had, arguments 00:50:15.909 --> 00:50:18.110 that you've had with people. Thinking about it 00:50:18.110 --> 00:50:22.510 from a perspective of it can't all be their fault. 00:50:23.429 --> 00:50:26.510 We're human. Communication is a two -way street. 00:50:26.630 --> 00:50:29.309 How could I have potentially thought about that 00:50:29.309 --> 00:50:34.429 a different way? How could I have handled it 00:50:34.429 --> 00:50:37.449 a different way? There are some situations where 00:50:37.449 --> 00:50:39.409 you couldn't, like there are some really horrible 00:50:39.409 --> 00:50:41.710 situations where one person's very clearly in 00:50:41.710 --> 00:50:45.710 the wrong and you don't need to do any self -reflection 00:50:45.710 --> 00:50:49.309 on that. Let me be clear. I'm talking about more 00:50:49.309 --> 00:50:53.590 of the petty things that happen that we burn 00:50:53.590 --> 00:50:58.889 bridges for. Life is too short to be so hateful 00:50:58.889 --> 00:51:03.190 and to be so consumed by wanting other people's 00:51:03.190 --> 00:51:06.820 approval. So you'll follow. wherever the majority 00:51:06.820 --> 00:51:13.019 goes. Instead of standing up and being alone 00:51:13.019 --> 00:51:17.679 if you need to be. And saying that's not how 00:51:17.679 --> 00:51:21.019 the world should work. But people need to look 00:51:21.019 --> 00:51:25.079 within themselves which a lot of people cannot 00:51:25.079 --> 00:51:28.079 do because it's way too scary. That's why I'm 00:51:28.079 --> 00:51:31.920 so cynical. But once you start taking accountability 00:51:31.920 --> 00:51:34.340 and you look at yourself and you can acknowledge 00:51:34.340 --> 00:51:37.000 that There are things that you need to do to 00:51:37.000 --> 00:51:38.639 change. There are things that you need to do 00:51:38.639 --> 00:51:41.380 as a person to grow and to be a better person. 00:51:42.119 --> 00:51:45.880 Everybody needs to grow. Everybody continues 00:51:45.880 --> 00:51:48.559 to grow until the day they die. You're never 00:51:48.559 --> 00:51:54.239 too old to learn or to have somebody from any 00:51:54.239 --> 00:51:57.460 age group teach you something new. You were never 00:51:57.460 --> 00:52:00.699 too old. Our experience here in the world as 00:52:00.699 --> 00:52:06.719 people, we're here to learn. and to grow and 00:52:06.719 --> 00:52:10.800 to try to make our world a better place. Try 00:52:10.800 --> 00:52:16.960 to, I genuinely believe that to restore the balance 00:52:16.960 --> 00:52:21.659 of the world's being more, I'm even trying to 00:52:21.659 --> 00:52:24.699 find the word and it's not coming to me, but 00:52:24.699 --> 00:52:31.239 the world being more accepting and more compassionate 00:52:31.239 --> 00:52:36.090 and equal. A lot of people have wanted that and 00:52:36.090 --> 00:52:39.050 that we've made motions and movements towards 00:52:39.050 --> 00:52:43.090 it. And then there's all these little setbacks 00:52:43.090 --> 00:52:48.590 that add up. It really just, I think the people 00:52:48.590 --> 00:52:53.309 that learn while they're here is those are the 00:52:53.309 --> 00:52:59.070 people that I think will reap the benefits forever. 00:52:59.650 --> 00:53:01.809 That's going into the spirituality kind of talk. 00:53:02.170 --> 00:53:05.150 But there are definitely people who just refuse 00:53:05.150 --> 00:53:08.309 to take any accountability or see anything that 00:53:08.309 --> 00:53:13.710 they've done wrong. And they're just, they're 00:53:13.710 --> 00:53:16.889 in a victim mindset and that's not a way to live. 00:53:18.449 --> 00:53:20.929 It's not gonna make you a better person. It's 00:53:20.929 --> 00:53:23.110 not gonna teach you things. It's not gonna help 00:53:23.110 --> 00:53:28.260 you grow. And when you... Really do look at yourself 00:53:28.260 --> 00:53:31.019 and you take accountability for things you've 00:53:31.019 --> 00:53:34.900 done in your past and you look at those demons 00:53:34.900 --> 00:53:37.119 inside of you because everybody has them. No 00:53:37.119 --> 00:53:42.139 one is perfect. When you confront those things 00:53:42.139 --> 00:53:47.219 and you come out with a new mindset, changes 00:53:47.219 --> 00:53:51.800 your energy and how you carry yourself and how 00:53:51.800 --> 00:53:57.170 you see situations. when they come up instead 00:53:57.170 --> 00:54:01.329 of saying, oh, this happens so I'm going to use 00:54:01.329 --> 00:54:04.809 this as like a shield. Why don't you think about 00:54:04.809 --> 00:54:07.650 it from a human perspective? This is another 00:54:07.650 --> 00:54:12.150 human talking to you. And we are trying to connect. 00:54:12.789 --> 00:54:14.670 We are trying to connect and understand each 00:54:14.670 --> 00:54:17.030 other. And the only way we can do that is by 00:54:17.030 --> 00:54:22.360 communication and trying to see the other person's 00:54:22.360 --> 00:54:24.420 side and how they perceive things because how 00:54:24.420 --> 00:54:28.480 they perceive things is not incorrect to them. 00:54:29.119 --> 00:54:31.900 It might be incorrect to us, but we don't live 00:54:31.900 --> 00:54:35.940 in their shoes. So we don't live in their society. 00:54:36.480 --> 00:54:39.159 It's just there's a lot of self -reflection that 00:54:39.159 --> 00:54:44.119 needs to happen and listening and empathy and 00:54:44.119 --> 00:54:47.679 learning that it's not all about us. Everybody 00:54:47.679 --> 00:54:52.619 has an experience. Sorry, I don't have much to 00:54:52.619 --> 00:54:57.159 say. It's okay. I've never cost a pawn in my 00:54:57.159 --> 00:55:04.440 life. What? I would like to thank everybody for 00:55:04.440 --> 00:55:09.820 listening. The next podcast you can vote for 00:55:09.820 --> 00:55:13.340 if you are in my Song of Rain Discord channel, 00:55:13.719 --> 00:55:17.280 if you would like to join, the link will be somewhere 00:55:17.280 --> 00:55:21.780 in the description. I have a Patreon where you 00:55:21.780 --> 00:55:24.880 can have exclusive voting rights and other perks 00:55:24.880 --> 00:55:28.219 on my Patreon as well. And I'll also link that. 00:55:28.440 --> 00:55:30.940 So if you would like to be more involved in the 00:55:30.940 --> 00:55:34.880 podcasts, please join our Discord server and 00:55:34.880 --> 00:55:38.219 chat with them. Thank you, DarkRinger, for joining 00:55:38.219 --> 00:55:40.820 me today and providing your insight. Thank you 00:55:40.820 --> 00:55:43.639 for having me. Absolutely. I appreciate your 00:55:43.639 --> 00:55:47.760 time and this will be one of many more podcasts 00:55:47.760 --> 00:55:51.000 to come. Everybody remember to drink some water 00:55:51.000 --> 00:55:55.199 and take care of yourself and love each other. 00:55:55.519 --> 00:55:59.380 Be kind. Smooth your friends with consent. Bye.