Hello, and welcome to the Real Talk with Rain
podcast. I am joined today with my friend Dark
Ringer. If you would like to introduce yourself
to the listeners. Hello. My name is Dark Ringer,
and I am your grand evil overlord. You should
all kneel before me. Man, I don't know why I
thought you weren't going to do that, even though
you just told me two minutes before we started
recording that you were going to do that. Oh,
sorry. Continue, continue. I'm DarkRinger. You
can find me on Twitch, Twitter, Blue Sky, YouTube,
under that name. I'm primarily a streamer. I
play all the Vigigims, but I'm also a voice actor
and a singer. And sometimes I like to poke Reign
with a stick and tell her she's a butt. That's
true. That's very true. And I'm your host, Reign.
So you can find me at Song of Reign pretty much
on all social media platforms. And today, we
are going to be talking about cancel culture
and if we should cancel cancel culture. So the
first point that I would like to bring up from
somebody in our little discord group has said
they think it's gone too far personally and I
have to agree with that because the thing that
I think about when it comes to cancel culture
is like a mob mindset. Oh yeah. You don't even
know this person. And while people should be
held accountable for the things that they do,
I don't understand the reasoning behind a bunch
of strangers on the internet going on a smear
campaign unless sometimes it's warranted, don't
get me wrong, like if they've really done something
really bad. then people should call them out.
But I'm talking more about people that just make
drama videos for fun. Just tearing other people
down just because they may have slipped up and
said something or cursed or something like it
just people are trying to find any tiny little
thing they can latch onto nowadays on the internet.
make somebody look like a terrible human being,
even though they don't know them, and they don't
know anything about this person or their life.
So at what point does cancel culture become just
straight -up bullying and harassment? I have
an answer to that. An ex -friend of mine once
said that they would love to kill Eminem because
he said the N -word once in the 90s. I don't
remember the exact year, but it was before either
of us was born. To me, I feel like it has gone
too far. So I definitely agree. But because a
lot of people that are on the Internet, they're
trying to make a living. They're trying to put
themselves out there. They're trying to show
the world who they are. And it's just like in
real life, like you hang out with your friends
and stuff and you might be joking around one
night and human nature is you say something stupid
and then you're around friends who are like oh
man that was you shouldn't have said that and
you're like oh man I'm sorry and you learn from
that experience but I feel like the cancel culture
that I'm referring to and that I would really
like to hone in on is the cancel culture that
is just canceling people to cancel them for reasons
that don't make any sense to me. Like people
who are, I don't even have a great example because
I think cancel culture is good when it's actually
holding people accountable for things that they've
done. But I don't think that there should be
drama channels and reaction channels that are
put up on the internet just to tear other people
down. I think the world has become a very It
always has been, but I feel like it's more so
now a hateful place. And instead of council culture
actually holding people accountable for the things
that they've done to the point where they learn
from them, it's almost like doing the opposite
because negative attention is still attention.
And I think a lot of the people that get air
quotes canceled, are actually profiting off of
it, to be honest, because they're still getting
the attention, they're still getting the views,
which then turns into monetary gain for them.
And they don't know you. So your opinion of them
most likely does not matter. Why are we trying
to change the mind of a person who doesn't care
what People think of them, you know what I mean?
I feel it's very performative They don't want
to actually hold this person accountable to change
their actions They just want a target that they
can yell at because so they can look like they're
I hate this term but social justice warrior Yeah,
like the bandwagon of doing better as people
and learning from our mistakes and actually taking
accountability, like these YouTube apology videos.
At what point does it become just straight up
bullying and hating on people to hate on them?
What can we do and cancel culture to make it
more like taking accountability for things that
you've done and that the world is seeing that
you've done and holding you accountable for it
saying, hey, you did this thing. This is not
a good thing. Change it. Maybe don't assume that
it was out of maliciousness and just go all scorched
earth on the person. I think that's also something
that's crazy to me because we as people are going
to make mistakes no matter what. It doesn't make
the mistake right and it doesn't excuse what's
been done. It's really people have to change
their mindset to think about, yes, they did this
thing that they're getting canceled for. What
are they doing now? Are they actually trying
to better themselves? Are they putting more good
out into the world after this has happened? Or
are they just doing the same thing that they've
been doing, making the same jokes and just being
like, oh, me, I got canceled. There's people,
I'm not going to name drop, but there's big YouTubers
for sure that I, when I was in high school, loved.
And now as an adult, I'm like, oh my God, I can't.
It's just, and it's crazy to me because humor
changes over the years. And when dark humor used
to be really acceptable and edgy, now it's very
in the woke culture. It's extremely, I don't
know what the word would be, but very penalized
would be the best for it. I feel like. People
nowadays are so easily offended and triggered
and just want to be angry at something instead
of looking at it in the lens of, does this actually
affect me as a person? How dare you say that
to me? Trigger is my trigger word. I think as
I get older, I realize it too, because I see
a lot of people that I watch a lot of cop shows
where people get arrested and like, do you know
who I am? I'm a TikTokker. I'm like, that doesn't
matter. Are you kidding me right now? Like, I
have two followers on Instagram. Literally, it
does not matter if you're a TikTok star. If you're
doing something wrong, you're doing something
wrong and you should be held accountable for
it. I don't know. I feel Like when I get into
these kinds of conversations, especially when
it's like touchy subjects like cancel culture,
it's hard to really pin down if it's wrong or
not, because I think it is to an extent good
to have cancel culture because it holds people
accountable to an extent. But I also think that
it's gone to the point where now it's just an
excuse to be mean and hateful. to people you
don't know, whose lives you have not lived. And
people make mistakes. What we do with those mistakes
and how we grow from those mistakes, that determines
our character. Unless it's something, again,
some big YouTubers, not gonna name drop, but
some big YouTubers have done some pretty bad
things that they should. definitely still be
held accountable for and or be prosecuted for.
But then again, it's, it's just the internet
I feel has just become such a scary place in
general for people like they want to get on the
internet to express themselves and be creative
and with me like having the company that I had
with RSP, like it taught me a lot of what it's
like being directly in the public eye. Even if
it was really small, it still was a taste of
what it could be when it's bigger. And I was
like, nope. Like, I, I just, there's too much
hate. There's too much drama and I don't have
the energy for it. I just, I can't get behind
it. I can't get behind how people think and how
like the industries sometimes work with how shady
it is. It just makes me feel icky and I can't.
I just couldn't continue, especially with financially.
I just couldn't do that. But it's things like
that where people will try to find any tiny thing
that you've done wrong and hold on to that as.
That's what determines. who you are as a person
and your character. The number of times a celebrity
to usually a male celebrity has paused away and
while everyone's grieving, almost immediately
someone will be like, actually they did this
horrific thing back in like 1842. Yeah. Yeah,
it's bad. Can you let us finish grieving? Because
now we have to process both these things. And
I think it's just the air of, especially the
younger generation, not me trying to be like,
back in my day. You know, these kids these days
with their inner whelps. Literally, that's how
I feel when I say that. But I'm like, I feel
like every new generation that comes up is like
getting more upset about things that when...
was a kid like we would just chill in outside
and playing with rocks and sticks and Touching
grass and like before the internet was a thing
you actually used your brain for imagination
and like Hung out with people outside go to the
park ride your bike. It's crazy to think especially
not even for just my generation, but the older
generations, as I get older, I understand why
they're like, ah, the internet. Because it's
crazy that you don't even know these people,
yet you're making it your life's mission to destroy
them. And some people go to crazy lengths to
really harm people. And I'm like, but at that
point, you're not really doing any good by holding
them accountable for what they've done. You're
just being a bully and pretty much doing illegal
shit yourself. So it's a hard line with cancel
culture because I feel like the reason it's there
is good, but it's been taken out of context and
thrown around to such an extreme where it doesn't
really hold as much power anymore to the point
where people will joke now, oh my God, I'm getting
canceled, whatever. And I'm like, Back when this
first started with the internet, that wasn't
a good thing. It wasn't a funny thing. And it
still really isn't. Like it can affect people's
lives and jobs. And a lot of people are like
falsely accusing people of things. So there are
people that do the things that they're canceled
for, but then there's people who don't. And there's
just people that don't like them that go off
and run around because they want to be mad at
somebody. because they had a disagreement or
something. It just... There's a very specific
tweet that just reminded me of someone's show,
The Voice Actor. He tweeted something unrelated.
I don't remember what it was, but someone quote,
he tweeted it saying, reminder, this character
voiced a homophobic character. Where's the grounds
to cancel someone. Yeah, it's a character. It's
not his opinions. That's like canceling, I forgot
the actor's name, but this middle -aged white
actor because he said the N -word on the boondocks.
But it's in the script. They paid him to say
it. And it's the same thing with, I know, for
Hasbin Hotel. At one point, the voice actor for
Valentino was like getting sh** for voicing him.
And I'm like, he's doing a job. Yeah, what the
hell? He's not the character. Do you understand
fantasy from real life? He's an actually abusive
person. He's not actually doing what this mothman
is doing on the screen. Do you need help? Please
go touch some grass because you are delusional
if you think voice actors are their characters.
It's called acting for a reason. Why are you
attacking them? Like go find something productive
to do No, there's actually has moth wings in
real life. We didn't know that. Oh, yeah I couldn't
remember the name for a second, but I was like
Yes, I don't know if he got necessarily cancelled
But there was a lot of people who were coming
at him and then he I think he tweeted I don't
remember exactly what the tweet was but saying
something about I'm not my character There have
been so many people in Hollywood and movies and
That play characters that are horrible people
people who actually Existed in life at one point
Does that mean that they are that person and
that they share the same morals and ideals? No,
it's acting I found the tweet if you would like
me to read it. Oh, yes So this is a quote tweet
in response to someone who said I'm so thankful
that I saw your Hasbin Hotel Q &A panel at this
con. And thank you for not hurting me like how
Valentino was abusive since episode four. And
the quote tweet that Perez made in response to
that was, I'd like to make it abundantly clear
that I, Joel Perez, am an actor and Hasbin Hotel
is not a documentary. I've also put characters
that are nice and silly and complex and loving
and terrible and so on and on. It's called range.
Like you can write characters that are horrible
people that do horrible things to move a story
forward. Don't come at their voice actors or
their actors. Like they, the actors are being
paid to say these things and to act it out. That's
their job to make you believe it. So if they're
doing a good job, you should probably just say,
you made me really hate this character. Good
job. By that logic, I should be canceled for
having shot children. Yeah. Literally, I don't
understand how things got so out of hand between
when the internet was brought into our lives
and now where it's just a means of violence.
Remember when the internet was just a location
in the house? Yeah, like when you had to dial
up from the phone and get off the phone and want
to get on the internet. You kids remember dial
up? You had to use your phone to get on the internet.
Are you on the computer? Get off the computer!
I have to make a phone call from the landline!
But mom, I'm trying to watch the anime! Yeah,
seriously. It's just, oh my god. People can't
enjoy things anymore without... somebody coming
in and finding a reason to be negative about
it and hate on it. And I just, it makes me so
sad because I, the other day I was driving with
my wife and we were just coming home from an
appointment and I saw these two boys who looked
like they were like elementary school age and
they were outside with their little backpacks
after school and they had sticks and they were
like sword fighting each other with the sticks.
And I was like, yes, yes. I love that. I love
that you're not on your phones or your technology
and you're like using your surroundings for enrichment
for your life and actually being kids like the
kids that are now on the internet too. Like it's
younger and younger just lying about their age
so they can get on the internet. And then it's
like. They're exposed to all of these behaviors
and this is how they're being raised and I think
it depends on the generation people as well that
are consuming the content that's out in the world
right now, but Something that I've just I've
noticed in my own spiritual journey and my own
struggle with mental health and Trying to understand
myself more as a person I would normally be embarrassed
about working on. Sometimes I don't genuinely
understand something, or I don't get the joke,
or it goes over my head, or I say something and
I'm panicking for the rest of the day because
I think I said something stupid. I decided that
I just need to be kinder to myself because the
world is not going to be kind to me. The world
is not going to be kind to any of us. It's just
the way that it continues to go We're not Living
in a time where we actually want to build each
other up There are songs about that women want
to lift other women up until another woman's
doing better than you I don't remember who sang
that song My brain is saying girls just want
to have fun and I'm pretty sure that's not correct
and everybody wants you to love yourself until
you actually do Because then it's like when you
love yourself your confidence is seen as cockiness
and I think there's a difference too between
cockiness and confidence that goes into the cancel
culture as well because some people will see
somebody living their best life and just genuinely
living their life and they get mad at them for
no reason just for sharing their lives like why
do people want to share their lives with the
internet everybody supports women by Sofia Ezele
oh yes okay thank you I was like, I know the
name is on the top of my head and I couldn't
put my finger on it. But I love that song because
it's so accurate. It's the contradiction, like
the contradictions of the world. Where we say
we listen, we don't judge or we say we want to
lift other people up. But then when it comes
to that person doing better than us. It's now
we need to find a reason to bring them down a
peg. And to me, I'm starting to see every day
how the more I'm away from the internet and I'm
not absorbed in it, the happier I have been because
I've been more present in my life with my dogs
and our cats and our little family and being
able to not try so hard to achieve something
so big by forcing myself to really overwork myself
because for those that don't know I have a chronic
illness and so I work full time but it's very
difficult but I can't not work full time because
in the world that we live in right now not working
full time I cannot pay for anything it's hard
enough as it is with both my wife and I working
full -time and I'm able -bodied enough that I
can have a job but for me it's like the medical
health stuff that really gets in the way and
that's why it's been such a struggle because
jobs don't understand that they want worker bots
they want people who don't understand what burnout
is they Want you just to completely consume,
like have work consume your life. I can't do
that because I get really sick if I go too hard.
And then I'm out of commission for a couple of
days. And so for the longest time, I'm trying
to find a job that's like hybrid that I can work
from home most of the time, but then go out in
person when I need to. It's a little bit more
flexible. So luckily now. I have that option,
but before it was so difficult to find positions
like that. So that's why I was so stressed out
about I need to make sure RSP becomes a thing.
I want to make sure I can work for myself. So
I don't have to like worry about this anymore.
Like I can be responsible for myself, but then
that requires having a huge company that's growing
and then trying to fund that company on one paycheck.
And it just, it gets so crazy out of hand so
fast. It was such a huge life experience for
me that I'm so happy I had. And it taught me
a lot about just our lives in general. They're
not meant to be plastered on the internet. They
weren't for centuries and we were fine. And Now
it's just a way to bring about violence and harm
to people without even having to do anything.
People can hide behind the screen all they want
and say things about people, but when you're
in person, that person that you were bringing
down, nine times out of 10, you're not gonna
say that to their face. And you're not gonna
feel the same way. This person, really knew them
and what they go through. Everybody has been
through something and you don't know what it's
like. You can have similar experiences, but to
say that you understand what a person, you don't
really, unless your experience is exact experience,
which is pretty much unheard of. So. cancel cultures
like people who just want to be aggressive and
angry. And in my brain, I'm like, if this is
something that is truly needing to be handled,
why aren't the authorities getting involved?
We're not the authorities. The internet is not
the authorities. Go do your homework. Go touch
grass. Let the authorities handle it. If it's
something that needs to be handled, call the
authorities. Tell them about it. and let them
handle it. But I think then that can go off on
another tangent about if we think authorities
are actually doing what they need to do with
cases like on the internet. And then that's blurred
too because the internet is such a sticky situation
where it's, is this really a real life problem?
Is this an internet problem? How can we deal
with this legally? It just... It's gotten to
the point where I don't know if anybody knows
what they can and can't do anymore just because
it's so out of our hands and out of control that
You know people want to talk about these things,
but they're afraid to myself included I stumble
over my words quite a bit and I try to think
about what I'm saying because I even have that
little voice in the back of my head going, you're
going to say something that's going to piss somebody
off. And it's okay. But at the same time, deal
with it. Like people need to develop a thicker
skin and learn that in order to get anywhere
in this life, you need to work hard and you need
to learn how to Grow as a person by reflecting
on your own mistakes the only person at the end
of the day that you have to answer to is yourself
Other people can hold you accountable. That's
fine but You're the only person that really can
hold yourself accountable and make that change.
You're the only person that can actually decide
You know what? That's a good point. I should
change that behavior. I should work on that But
I've met a few who aren't like that who are just
I've been through X Y & Z. So the world owes
me something. Yeah, and You upset me by doing
this But I had no part in it. That's not how
it works. That's not how Communication works.
That's not how language works when you have a
falling out with somebody Usual it's from both
sides because there's their side your side and
the truth. I think one of my biggest things that
Comes with not understanding cancel culture is
the lack of Actual connection that you have with
that person and actually Like the context that
things were being said because there's also things
that have been edited out there's things that
people can make edits of certain things and take
people's words and now with AI and all of these
other scary things. People can make something
up and make it look really real and really damage
somebody's life just because they can. And it's
terrible. Like the human compassion. that we're
capable of having, I feel like has been squandered
so much by us consuming media and not actually
going outside and experiencing the earth that
we live on, that we're actively destroying. And
it's just so sad to me that we're in a world
that's so hateful that thinks that they need
to constantly Hurt others in order to feel better
about themselves. We live in a society Yeah,
I couldn't be president. I just I know nothing
about laws. I could barely walk on my own two
feet half the time, but You know all of it in
politics But I I catch myself on stream a lot
Well, I'll make a joke like that and be like
someone's gonna take that the wrong way So I
have to look at the camera and specify that's
a joke. Yeah the other day I don't remember what
the context was, because I haven't gotten around
to editing that part yet, but I made a joke with
my friend being like, oh, a woman can't do this
job. She'll just get her periods all over herpaderpadoo.
The joke is not women bad. The joke is that's
an insane thing to say. Yeah. And I still had
to look at the camera being like, that's a joke,
by the way, just in case that wasn't clear. Even
though my cohost with me is a woman. Yeah. I
still felt the need to clarify that because of
just how the internet is. Yeah, because it's
like you can not care about being canceled, but
then Everybody cares about that Everybody cares
about having a smear campaign against them and
just being constantly harassed by other people
Of course, you're gonna care about that even
if you say you don't it's a scary thing because
nothing is private anymore and people who are
delusional and live on the internet, really think
that this is their way of becoming the next superhero.
And I'm going to change the world. This person
is the villain. This is the new villain. I'm
the superhero. And we're like, who are you? I
am vengeance. I am the knight. Just some guy
on his computer. It's like the other day I was
watching Cinnamon Toast Ken, who I love. And
he had brought Chris Hansen onto his show. and
they're talking about To Catch a Predator and
that show that has been around for a really long
time. Does it still air? I don't think To Catch
a Predator is still airing, but this is where
I have so many moments where I know exactly what
I'm talking about, but the name doesn't come
to the front of my mind. Chris Hansen has, I
think it's Sit Down with Chris, Take Down with
Chris. something like that, but he's been doing
it for a long time and he sat with Kenan Buff
Pro and he talked very candidly about how on
YouTube now you see a lot of these predator catching
groups go out and do these things, but they're
not even doing it in a way that could lead to
this case being prosecuted and actually getting
a result. they're doing it to shame people. And
there was a video where somebody, and again,
I don't know, I just saw this clip, but it was
like, you eat this dog poop and we'll let you
go. Yeah. And I'm like, so what was the point?
Embarrassing them, making them put something
in their body that's going to make them sick?
I don't understand. Like, why do you went through
all of this to then just literally harass and
bully somebody for views and clicks. You have
no life. Some people watched The Punisher and
were like, that could be me. Chris was talking
about how maybe it's entertaining to some people.
I don't understand, but maybe it's entertaining
and that's what gets them views and money. But
what happens to these actual people that they
let them go because they got their laughs and
their kicks out of making them do something embarrassing?
what stops them from going and re -offending
again. Literally nothing. All I had to do was
be embarrassed a little so I can just keep doing
whatever I want. Sometimes it turns people from
doing it, but just like Chris had said, he thought
his show, To Catch a Predator, would deter people
from making stupid, gross mistakes. But nope,
it's still happening. And that's why he still
has a new show about it. but he's talking about
these vigilante groups, which is what he calls
them, and to go out. Really? Huh? It is, that
is what they are. Yeah, like it's vigilante groups,
but then you're going out and you're like, I'm
a big, tough person and I'm going to scare you.
But what is happening like behind the scenes?
Has anything coming of this? No. Because then
legally you get into the whole thing of was it
entrapment? And then there's no case, because
it gets thrown out. And then this person, if
they actually are a danger to society, can go
and do it again. And there's always gonna be
the chance that there is a one time that it's
not a sting. That person's gonna ruin somebody's
life. And it's just, I understand where the internet
came in wanting to be better for people. wanting
to help us expand our knowledge and be a good
resource for us. But it's turned into an actual
playground of just honestly, that's how I see
it just like a playground or like germs and kids
running around screaming and crying and he stole
my ball. I hate him. Oh, everybody look, we're
gonna hate him now because he stole my ball and
It's become ridiculous. People aren't even aware
of themselves as people anymore. It's like an
out -of -body experience almost. While it's a
good resource and a great way to connect and
network, it's rare nowadays to see it actually
being used for those reasons. I have a briefly
related tangent. Yeah. If you don't know, you
know this, Rain. I'm a Digimon fan. I know, right?
My username definitely isn't a Digimon reference.
Anyway, the consensus among the fandom is that
Digimon Tamers is the best season for its darker
tone, its characters, its writing, et cetera.
And everyone wanted there to be a sequel. In
2021, there was a sequel written by the writer
of Tamers, Chiaki J. Konaka. It wasn't actually
an anime. It was an audio drama, which, fine.
We listened to it. The main antagonist of the
Tamers audio drama in 2021 is a giant robot called
political correctness and its special attack
is called cancel culture. Yes, really. I listened
to it. The robot literally says in its robot
voice, can activating cancel culture. I actually
just got physically ill hearing that. Like my
body just went through hot flashes and I'm only
32. Like I just. I'm sorry I gave you menopause
early with that information. I think you did.
Oh my god, that's... Thankfully, the entire Digimon
fandom did not get cancelled over that. Because
goddamn, what we've agreed on is that never happened.
That isn't real. It was all a fever dream that
we all had simultaneously. Yeah. I feel like
we're living in a fever dream right now. That's
what it feels like. I had to know this entire
podcast so far. I've had to refrain from referencing...
This is the first podcast that we've done, so
it's probably gonna be a little bit all over
the place, but I feel like the topic itself of
cancel culture is all over the place, so it makes
sense. I mean, I do still have that list of slurs
prepared if you need to delete it. No! You're
fired! No! You can't fire me, I'm gay! But it's
like, in general, like even making jokes like
that, I feel like... Somebody somewhere is gonna
be like what the heck? Yeah, I can't believe
rain committed a hate crime against dark ringer.
Oh my god. It's terrible I know more like song
of canceled hashtag. Yeah Yeah, absolutely. I
don't know. I can't even people were making fun
of me Like I have friends who are younger than
me who are like in their 20s and oh my god You're
so chronically offline or you're such a grandma
because I don't know And I'm like, I don't know
what the slang is, I don't understand, I don't
know what's going on in their life. Silly Reign,
you're so skibbity -riz Ohio phantom tax. I don't
know what any of those mean individually, I heard
them in, there's a video that's like the Skyrim
intro but it's all replaced with Gen Alpha slang
and it's really f***ing funny. Like even - It's
crazy to me because even my dad who he has a
video on YouTube because he did an interview.
He did like a little talk at one of his meetings.
He's a doctor and he Middle Eastern dad who's
a doctor. No crazy. Just unbelievable. That's
insane. That's the joke. But he was talking about
how even with me growing up, he didn't specify
us, but obviously he was seeing that in the nineties
when everything was ramping up, how it's affected
people, especially kids, because he's a pediatrician.
So especially kids that come into his office
that are so attached to their phone, they can't
even talk to him. They didn't even acknowledge
that he's there and he's like, hi, I'm here to
give you a shot. Make sure you're okay. Like,
how are things going? Or he's had. young people
come in and talk about how the amount of likes
that they're getting on social media is making
them feel like they're not beautiful or making
them feel like they're not worthy and it's causing
this depression and the rapid decline of mental
health and my dad was never somebody who spoke
about mental health because we're like I said
half Lebanese like his dad probably didn't even
know what those words meant it just It was not
a thing that he talked about long, like when
I was born in the nineties, it's started talking
about it, but it still was, I feel like a taboo
subject almost, especially in the medical field
because they're still struggling with it now
to get the resources that people need. And so
hearing him even come around and talk about it,
it really shocked me because he's not the kind
of person when I grew up that really talked about
that or like really understood that it wasn't
a lot of he was more like okay this is the physical
body this is what is hurting this is how you
fix it like very logical and so when he was talking
about that it really opened my eyes as well because
to see him understand how horrible and negative
of an impact it's having on especially the younger
generation. And these people that are being consumed
by the internet, these are our future. This is
here at all the time, but it's true. Like, how
are we going to learn to be better people if
we're being raised by the internet and by influencers
and people who we don't know? Remember when Jenna
Marbles was allegedly supposed to be raising
our kids or whatever that movement was? I don't
know but Jenna Marbles Love her and she said
something in a video once and then there was
a whole Twitter thing of Jenna Marbles should
be raising our kids She shouldn't be using language
like that. No, you should be raising your kids
what and then she like left the internet And
I think she's just been so much happier since
then. And I'm like, good for you, dude. She was
big on the internet. And people want her to come
back. But I'm like, listen, dude, her mental
health is probably so much better right now.
As much as I love Jenna Marbles, and I would
love to see her again in a video, she doesn't
owe me that. No. She doesn't owe any of us that.
She is a human being with her own life. And she
deserves that privacy. She deserves to have the
comfort of being detached from this virtual world
and live in her own world where she's, you know,
there's physical, real life moments that are
happening for her and everybody else that we're
ignoring because we want fame and fortune. And...
at the end of the day too people who are crazy
rich actors and celebrities a lot of them are
detached because when they get so big in terms
of fame they lose that sense of self and they
just become a product and it's not even they
don't have that attachment to that human side
of them anymore which I feel like is something
that we should all hold on to very dearly because
that's what makes us able to stay grounded and
be better people and not just think that we've
achieved X so we're now at the highlight of our
life. It can change at any moment and nobody
lives forever. What are you doing on this earth
that's going to impact the people who are closest
to you? That really matter I'm telling strangers
on the internet that they should die. That's
what I'm doing When people do that, it's just
that's a whole other subject, which it's just
and it goes into cancer culture again, like Why
are you saying those things who taught you to
speak like this to another person? Where are
your parents probably? I mean listen Yeah, I
wouldn't blame him for that I found Ahmed the
dead terrorist funny, but now it's meh. Yeah,
but that's not Ahmed telling people to die. He's
just being ridiculous and stereotypical. And
it's also like something with cancel culture
that I find interesting too is it's almost as
if certain groups of people and it's people like
friend groups or like groups that can make the
jokes in the group. together but then if it gets
out oh no i didn't mean that and it's like why
would you say these things knowing that the internet
is forever and all it takes is somebody to be
like oh thanks and then run with it or again
they could fake it and these people could ruin
your life they could ruin your real life job
they could really do damage And at the end of
the day, why are you trying to impress a bunch
of strangers? Because you're getting money? Okay,
money pays your bills, but are you being fulfilled
on a spiritual and a soul level? Do you feel
connected to who you are as a person? Do you
feel connected to the people that are around
you who see you and know you exist and you're
not behind a screen like You were physically
there with them. These people who can hug you
and talk to you and share these moments and experiences
with you, these are the people that really need
you to be you. You don't need to perform for
these people. They're the people that you ignore
the most because you want the attention of strangers.
And it's just, it's a warped view. that the world
has now. And thinking that celebrities are like
gods, they're like, no, they go home and they
poop in their toilet just like you do. If they
have Taco Bell, it's a nasty one. I'm just telling
you. Yeah, I'm like, it's the same thing. Just
because they get glamorous, I bet you anything,
celebrities after they have a whole day. They
go home, they turn, they shower, they become
like the sleepy, exhausted versions of themselves
with messy hair and baggy clothes and they just
want to sleep. At the end of the day, they're
doing a job. They're not, they're entertaining
us and it's wonderful to share this talent with
people that you have, like actors and singers
and musicians and everybody. You want to share
that talent with the world. But you're still
a person at the end of the day, you're still
a human with needs to eat and sleep and drink
water, go to the bathroom, exercise. We're on
the same level. We just have different jobs.
So cancel culture goes into that as well with
the celebrities of like, people get so involved
in celebrities' lives and then people are like,
they shouldn't have put their lives out. for
the public. What do you expect them to do? That's
the job they chose. They can try to be as private
as they'd like, but with the paparazzi and how
the world is, it's very difficult to have a private
life, especially the bigger and more recognized
you are. It is so much more difficult to even
have moments of peace to yourself and then you
think about it from a human standpoint what if
they're having these moments of peace finally
after this craziness and always feeling surrounded
and then people are lashing out at paparazzi
because they're suddenly in their face and flashing
cameras at them I can understand why they'd be
upset you can't even just go to the grocery store
without being harassed Listen, we're going to
talk about that later. But it's I think there's
just so much detachment, especially from the
Internet, because of the numbers that we see
and the money that comes into play that we totally
forget that celebrities are literally the same
level as we are. We're all just people. We're
not better than anybody else. It's that's just
your job. You're a singer. Good for you. You're
the top singer in the world. Good for you. Amazing.
Good job. That doesn't make you better than me.
It just doesn't. At the end of the day, you can
even argue people who work like firefighters
that work in human services that are actively
out there every day, changing lives and helping
people face to face. These are, they're like
really getting their hands dirty and they're
doing really hard work. Just because a celebrity
makes more money than them doesn't make their
work any less rewarding and any less Beneficial
to the world This is something that I do too
because I feel very rewarded by my job and I
don't make a lot of money at all I should be
making more but you know what? It's the economy
we live in right now. And that's just how it
is teachers don't get paid enough People in human
services don't get paid enough and we're in that
community where we're helping people in need,
and we're helping people who don't have as many
access to resources as a celebrity does. But
how often are celebrities also helping people
who need help finding those resources? Sometimes
they do, but all the time. You know the world
could be a better bigger celebrities and richer
people made went towards getting access to those
resources But it's because we live in a world
of greed and nobody wants to actually help unless
it becomes a PR issue and That's just really
sad to me the disconnect between humanity and
the world. It's even hard to explain because
it's so unreal to me. I can't wrap my mind around
it because when you really think about it like
you really sit for a while and you reflect on
how it was before the internet was around and
how it is now really terrifying and really scary
and I just, I don't know if it'll ever change.
I hope it does. I hope things get better. It's
gonna take reframing their mindset though. But
that requires effort. We can't do that. It requires
effort. It requires looking at yourself. It requires
taking a lot of moments to reflect and Think
about ways that you could have responded differently.
Think about conversations that you've had, arguments
that you've had with people. Thinking about it
from a perspective of it can't all be their fault.
We're human. Communication is a two -way street.
How could I have potentially thought about that
a different way? How could I have handled it
a different way? There are some situations where
you couldn't, like there are some really horrible
situations where one person's very clearly in
the wrong and you don't need to do any self -reflection
on that. Let me be clear. I'm talking about more
of the petty things that happen that we burn
bridges for. Life is too short to be so hateful
and to be so consumed by wanting other people's
approval. So you'll follow. wherever the majority
goes. Instead of standing up and being alone
if you need to be. And saying that's not how
the world should work. But people need to look
within themselves which a lot of people cannot
do because it's way too scary. That's why I'm
so cynical. But once you start taking accountability
and you look at yourself and you can acknowledge
that There are things that you need to do to
change. There are things that you need to do
as a person to grow and to be a better person.
Everybody needs to grow. Everybody continues
to grow until the day they die. You're never
too old to learn or to have somebody from any
age group teach you something new. You were never
too old. Our experience here in the world as
people, we're here to learn. and to grow and
to try to make our world a better place. Try
to, I genuinely believe that to restore the balance
of the world's being more, I'm even trying to
find the word and it's not coming to me, but
the world being more accepting and more compassionate
and equal. A lot of people have wanted that and
that we've made motions and movements towards
it. And then there's all these little setbacks
that add up. It really just, I think the people
that learn while they're here is those are the
people that I think will reap the benefits forever.
That's going into the spirituality kind of talk.
But there are definitely people who just refuse
to take any accountability or see anything that
they've done wrong. And they're just, they're
in a victim mindset and that's not a way to live.
It's not gonna make you a better person. It's
not gonna teach you things. It's not gonna help
you grow. And when you... Really do look at yourself
and you take accountability for things you've
done in your past and you look at those demons
inside of you because everybody has them. No
one is perfect. When you confront those things
and you come out with a new mindset, changes
your energy and how you carry yourself and how
you see situations. when they come up instead
of saying, oh, this happens so I'm going to use
this as like a shield. Why don't you think about
it from a human perspective? This is another
human talking to you. And we are trying to connect.
We are trying to connect and understand each
other. And the only way we can do that is by
communication and trying to see the other person's
side and how they perceive things because how
they perceive things is not incorrect to them.
It might be incorrect to us, but we don't live
in their shoes. So we don't live in their society.
It's just there's a lot of self -reflection that
needs to happen and listening and empathy and
learning that it's not all about us. Everybody
has an experience. Sorry, I don't have much to
say. It's okay. I've never cost a pawn in my
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