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hi there everybody this is the mark mo show podcast

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and this is fireside chats we do this about two

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or three times every season we get a interesting

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guest from the community and uh well heck we

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talk about just uh whatever we want to talk about

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and i have a great guest this week and uh he

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is a musician uh he is an artist sergio jovalani

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how are you man I'm doing great. Thanks for having

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me on, Mark. Absolutely, absolutely. Now, I've

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known this guy a while, but my audience here,

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there's a really good chance that you don't know

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him, but now you're going to know him. He's a

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fantastic musician and artist, and I figure I'll

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just have Joe talk a little bit about himself,

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but more importantly, just what he's doing in

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music and art these days. Cool. All right. Well,

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yeah, that's that's kind of my main thing. And

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if you're checking me out, it's like, Sergi Joe

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music and artworks, which took me a little while

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to kind of figure out how to do everything because

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everything in this modern world wants a social

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media page and people like concise marketable,

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you know, single issue kind of pages are nice.

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So but I, you know, I'm into a lot of different

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stuff. So I try to make it as concise as can

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be. And so it's music and artworks is kind of

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what I love to do all the time. So that being

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the case, from the artwork perspective now, I've

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followed obviously I've Followed your music a

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little bit longer than your art, but there was

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a show recently here in Valparaiso Where there

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was art on? skateboards Which I found to be awesome

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by the way So maybe talk a little bit about that

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because that was At least for me, from a show

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perspective, like an art show, that was kind

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of my introduction to your art. So maybe just

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talk a little bit about maybe that project and

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the things you love to paint. Yeah. Well, when

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I was a kid, I loved skateboard. So I was always

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kind of artistic. grew up kind of that way. My

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sister was really good at art, and I remember

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just wanting to be good at art like she was.

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So I always just tried a little, you know, and

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continue with that. But then in middle school

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and stuff, we're talking 2003, yeah, somewhere,

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no, 2002, yeah, around this area. Moved to this

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neighborhood where everybody skateboarded all

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the time, and they were always... They were all

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really good at it. And so that was kind of what

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you did. And especially if you wanted to hang

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out or have any friends, you should probably

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not suck at skateboarding. So I learned and did

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that for a long time. And I still kind of do.

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They built a skate park across the street from

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my house. So now I go over there and get injured

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every once in a while in my 30s now. And it's

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not. Not as fun, but Anyway, I always just enjoyed

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it and with with skateboards you get artwork

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on the bottom So I spent a lot of my probably,

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you know school hours like looking at these skateboard

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magazines and like fantasizing about all the

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cool skateboards that I would want. And of course,

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everybody has their favorites of ones that they

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think are cool. I remember sitting in class very

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vividly and being like, man, whoever makes these

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skateboard designs, that would be an awesome

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job. So years go by. For a long time, I didn't

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paint. I just didn't really have a place to do

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it. And I guess I started kind of getting back

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into it around 2016 and 17. And each year since

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then, I've produced more paintings than the year

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before. Yeah. Yeah. So I was going through ideas

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over the few years, trying developing a little

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bit, trying just having fun. And then I was like,

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it would be cool to do a skateboard. Yeah. And

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so I was talking to my my friend and he kind

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of enjoys my paintings too. And he's like, I'll

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buy you two skateboards, like blank ones, and

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you do your paintings on them as long as you

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give me one. And I was like, all right, deal.

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And so he bought the two skateboards, sent them

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to my house. He was very patient. And it took

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me pretty long time to do the first one and the

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second one. Each painting I do takes, on average,

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I'd say 30 to 40 hours, somewhere in there. I'm

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getting a little faster. I'm getting that hour's

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number down a little bit. But I did these two

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skateboards, and they turned out sweet. They're

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all on my Instagram page, if you ever want to

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check it out, Sergijo Artworks. And yeah, these

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skateboards, one was all in blues, one was all

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in reds. So they build a skate park across the

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street from my house. learn that the skate shop

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is going to open. And I'm like, hey, you know,

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I'll just like reach out and say like, you know,

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hello. And, you know, that I do skateboard art.

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And maybe I was thinking that maybe he would

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want to hang up those two that I did. And he

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would just hang them up. Yeah. So I met him and

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he's a shout out to Ty over at Havoc Skate Shop.

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And thank you so much for being a great supporter

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and an awesome community member for all skaters

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and beyond. But we met and we just kind of chatted

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about art and stuff. And then he ended up hitting

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me up around the springtime and he said he wanted

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to do a skateboard for his shop. And I was like,

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awesome. And in this case, like, I do paintings

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for myself. I do paintings for commissions. And

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they work differently. And depending on who's

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commissioning it, we kind of negotiate how the

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project should look or turn out or whatever.

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So he is very creative, too, and is a great writer

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and just imaginative. So he had this creature

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in mind that goes along with this kind of comic

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book style series that he calls Midwestern emptiness.

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And he gives me this idea of the Godel. The Godel

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is like a turtle, frog, toad creature with antlers.

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And shows up during puberty. And each person

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has their own slightly different Godel that kind

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of like, I don't know, accompanies them through

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this time. Okay He could explain it better But

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okay, so what's fun and challenging about taking

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a project like that is you hear something like

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that and you're like, okay How do I turn this

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into a single image a picture that embodies all

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of that? And so I have this little process I

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do I just kind of sketched out some stuff. He

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told me and he was you know, he told me what

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what he, the parts that he liked and the parts

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that maybe should be this or that. And each person

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that I work with kind of has a different level

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of expectations of how it might be. And I have

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known some artists that are not very good with

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that. It's like, well, I made this. And like,

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they don't kind of want to go back and forth.

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I don't mind it. I like it a little bit. It's

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challenging, you know, gives me something to

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like go for. And I don't ever feel like anything

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that I make is perfect anyway, so I can always

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do better. So I may spend a long time, do this

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Godel, it turns out, really nice. Lots of processes

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involved in learning how to go about this, how

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to proportion it so it's going to be right for

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a skateboard and all that. Little bit of measurements

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and math and stuff, which is not my strong suit.

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But I finished this project, and he likes it,

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and it's awesome. And then, and that was it.

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And then he hit me up. He's like, hey, would

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you like to do three more? And I was like, all

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right, let's do it. So he gives me three other

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characters. We got TV the Kid, we have the Grizzle

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Lug, and we have the Gray Giant. And these all

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kind of exist in the same universe. He was kind

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of worried about you know making sure that they

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all go together and I was like I have a painting

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style and I'm not Leonardo da Vinci so like everything

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that I paint looks like I painted it and So therefore

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they will they will connect. Yeah, and Was interesting

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I gave him each one. So I spent the summer doing

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this series of four skateboards and But I'm not

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on skateboards right wooden planks to be transferred

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onto skateboards later So it's like paintings.

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And I gave him each project as it was finished

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and never saw them together on the wall, which

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would have been cool until that opening night.

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And that was the event. And then I went into

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the skate shop and he had them all four. And

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I was like pretty happy with how it all turned

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out. And then somehow like my dream, my childhood

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dream came true because I was a skateboard artist

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then. And even then, I was saying, what's really

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going to be the best payoff is when I go over

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to that skate park and there's some people skating

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my boards and they're just, you know, they have

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no idea of the story behind it. So that already

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happened multiple times. People dig him. He's

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selling a good amount of skateboards. So that

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was that one. And then I was like, OK. That was

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a lot of painting. I took a couple of weeks off

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and then kind of moved on to the next thing.

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That's awesome. Yeah, and and that that show

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is really great I had a great turnout and I know

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everybody liked it and as you said and I found

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this interesting when you had said like you have

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a style you totally do and Whether it's your

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skateboards or like some of the other artwork

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you do no matter the medium It's like always

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this futuristic dystopian kind of theme that

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you have with a lot of your painting Which I

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think is really cool I consider it like all practice

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in a way because there's at you know that I when

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I was getting going I was like I can't wait until

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I have 10 but now I have like probably 35 but

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that seems like a small number to me still like

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yeah I only have 35 so haven't tried all even

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the ideas that I have so I just like have all

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these other ideas so at this point yeah and like

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what I'll do is I'll get onto like a tangent

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and I'll do the same thing with like movies and

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stuff it's just kind of go down this this vibe

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until I feel like I've thoroughly explored it

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yeah and so there's a few that have like this

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dystopian kind of sci -fi feel and it it comes

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from movies too because I just have such a love

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for them I like to do my thing with the paintings

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and kind of imply, you know, some kind of cinematic

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quality. But, you know, that was just once. And

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my most recent one doesn't really have any of

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that. And it's got, it's a little bit more down

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to earth and trying some different things. And

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I'm kind of excited to see where that goes at

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this juncture. That's really great. Now, do you

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envision Any art shows anything like that in

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the in the near future? Is that something you

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would even like to do? Yeah, I've I've done a

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few It's really interesting with artwork and

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doing music at the same time. They kind of work

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in tandem and experiences in one field can kind

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of inform what I might want to do in the other

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kind of field and I feel like With music, I have

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just as much experience. I've been doing it for

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just as long. But I feel like I have to work

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harder at it. And I have to seek it out and make

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sure that it's happening. Otherwise, I feel like

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I go through a dry spell or something. So that

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requires a certain amount of upkeep and effort

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to go out and make sure that you're getting some

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gigs or you got some projects on the horizon.

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But in the reverse, artwork has come to me fairly

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smoothly since I started doing it. I don't know

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where all the listeners are, but here there's

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a cafe in town, Uptown Cafe. Shout out to Uptown

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because of great breakfast and coffee. Absolutely.

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I would go in there years ago, you know, before

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2016 when I kind of really got into this, and

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I would notice that they would do rotating art

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shows. And I was like, you know, ultimate dream

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would be like to just have enough paintings to

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do an art show here. That would be so cool. And

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so I do have some paintings. I start a little

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Instagram and kind of post this. Literally Uptown

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Cafe gets a hold of me. And I'm like, hey, would

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you like to do an art show? And I was like...

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Heck yeah. Amazing. I was like, yeah, totally.

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And at that point, I was stretching. I was like,

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I'm going to have to use every painting that

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I have in order to fill enough wall space in

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this pretty big cafe. And anyway, it went off

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really well. I really dug it. They let me do

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it the whole month of September. I was up for

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a whole month. sold some originals, had a good

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showing. It also motivated me and helped me get

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organized to have like some prints available

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and kind of set some prices of what I want to

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get for some of these. It's always sad to me

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to sell a painting. I'm getting better at it

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though, letting them all go because I know that

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other people put them up and enjoy them. So they're

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out there. And as long as I have a print, I'm

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okay with it. I have like a memory of what it

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was. So yeah, that show went off, and it was

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awesome, and all of a sudden my dream was accomplished.

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And I was like, dang, I should dream a little

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bigger. And keep going. So fortunately, just

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about the skateboard project, as soon as that

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was done, somebody hit me up for the next thing.

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And as soon as that was done, somebody hit me

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up for the next thing. Right now, I have a project

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that is happening and I'm gonna get onto that.

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And every once in a while, I get to do a painting

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for myself. And yeah, so it's the right amount

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of busy. But those projects seem to come to me

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and that is nice. And that just makes me feel

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like, you know, people are digging it and kind

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of enjoying them and I am enjoying making them.

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But yeah, music, sometimes you gotta like go

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out and seek it out because I feel like there's

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less tradition. There's all kinds of different

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artists, but I only know a few people who do

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like paintings. But there's a lot of musicians.

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Yeah, there are, for sure. Well, that's a great

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segue because I definitely wanted to talk about

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your music as well. So maybe just tell me a little

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bit about... What sparked your interest initially

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and some of the projects you're working on now?

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Well, I've been playing music initially I kind

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of consider myself starting around 2003 or so

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2002 so that has been over 20 years now, I think

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and I fell into music Looking back I can remember

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very early childhood memories of having this

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little Kermit the Frog keyboard and I would sit

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there and they were kind of color -coded and

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now I know that these are octaves, right? But

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I would just sit there and play like octaves

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And like just listen I played a lot on that keyboard

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I guess yeah, but I really didn't do anything

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with music. I kind of fell into it by accident

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In like 2001 2002 I went over to a friend's house.

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I was just gonna hang out with my friend her

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brother Was like way into guitars and like had

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like a big half stack and my AC DC posters all

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up he had all these Gibson's and flying V's and

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Les Paul's and he like Got one out and he sat

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me down on his bed. He put a Gibson flying V

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in my hands, huh? And he's like here. Here's

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how you do it. I didn't ask him to do any of

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this Right just like look at this guitar play

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this and I was like, this is all cool And he

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was very passionate about it. So he kind of inspired

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me So I got a guitar. It's like a lot of people.

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It sat in the corner undetuned for quite some

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time. I had another friend who was kind of starting

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to learn guitar and I think she had like two

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guitar lessons and so she was going to give me

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my first guitar lesson. It didn't take, you know,

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and there it sat in the corner again for a good

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spell. And then a stroke of luck, this kid Don't

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know his last name Dan Moves across the street.

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He was older than me. He was like maybe 17 and

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I was 13 or 14 okay, and I remember being out

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skateboarding and we listen we would hear this

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wailing guitar going on and Became friends with

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him Told him I had a guitar he kind of like yeah,

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I don't know I got started some guitar lessons

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And he just challenged me a ton. He started bringing

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over all the 80s bands, all the Guns N' Roses.

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That's still even today. You got to kind of pay

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attention when you're playing Slash. And all

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the Ozzy, all the Dream Theater, all this stuff,

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all the Metallica. Boston goes on and on and

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on and Eventually it started to kind of pick

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it up. He just kind of expected that we Understand

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like you better get he would just and but he

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wouldn't get frustrated He would just like continue

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to work with us until we were doing it. Yeah,

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there's no giving up we're just gonna keep doing

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this until we can all do this and And so I started

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to kind of get with the program a little bit.

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And then eventually we were doing like little

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contests. We were like, okay, we'll see who can

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learn this Metallica solo better in 30 minutes.

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Go. And then we'll have a little contest at the

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end who got the solo closer. And he would always

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win, but like he would, he pushed me so much.

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So he showed me what it was to practice, showed

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me what it was to drive, showed me what it was

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to just press on. And after he maybe moved away

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or something like that, I was just in it and

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been into it ever since. That's amazing. Yeah.

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And I know you have a lot of styles that you

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can play, which is It's really great. I have

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a nephew and he really truly is like a session

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musician and he can play a lot of different types

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of music. So he's always finding gigs with a

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lot of different bands and stuff, which I suppose

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is pretty great, right? To be able to do that.

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In your case, I know that you've had some solo

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gigs or where you, you know, have another musician

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come along with you. I saw you up at, there's

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this venue right overlooking Lake Michigan. It's

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absolutely gorgeous. One of the best views anywhere.

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And the rooftop is kind of this swanky little

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barb thing that's up there and they have musicians

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and whatnot. So I saw you play up there, kind

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of like a jazzy. session Yeah, as much as possible.

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Yeah, I really I was able to dig that now Is

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there a type of music that you prefer to play

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like just a certain type where you're just like,

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yeah This is this is my stuff. I am liking jazz

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more and more all the time. Yeah, but you know,

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I didn't start there And there's even some jazz

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that I find challenging and like it's not something

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that I put on so music is all over the place

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for me So yeah, like what I listen to is not

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necessarily what I tend to play and then what

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I played live is Not always my favorite You know,

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but it but I try to kind of strike a balance,

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right? Yeah, so I'll play a good amount of you

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know, I would say we'll just I'm not they're

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not top 40 hits, but I would say, you know, familiar

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tunes, a lot of familiar tunes. I try to be creative

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with those tunes and not, it's not my goal to

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like do Prince like Prince. I just, I'm never

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going to do that and it shouldn't be the goal.

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So I just do it like me, but make it sound good

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and do something with the tune as in a way that

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like you would do that with a jazz song. You

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kind of improvise on it. You play it in your

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way, right? Guitar mentor for many years, Marco

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Villarreal. Shout out Marco, just the wizard

00:22:06.220 --> 00:22:09.950
of music, at least in these parts for sure. Yeah,

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I've heard him live, he's great. I was sitting

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with him recently and I asked him about fingerings

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because just looking at notation you don't necessarily

00:22:22.390 --> 00:22:24.569
know the position on the guitar and that's kind

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of one of the challenges of that instrument.

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And so I asked him, do you ever look up the videos

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of these guys and kind of see where they play

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this stuff so you can kind of find the easiest

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route through it? And he's like, no. He's like,

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why would I do that? I'm not trying to sound

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like him, I'm trying to sound like me. So I take

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that as a good philosophical framework towards

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any music that I play. Don't be lazy and skip

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over parts because they're too fast and complicated.

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But play the essential parts and you don't have

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to necessarily do every note in the Van Halen

00:23:03.859 --> 00:23:07.920
solo. Unless it's like... beat it, which you

00:23:07.920 --> 00:23:09.940
should probably just play the Van Halen solo.

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Yes, you should. It's all about being in the

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moment and making a good and tasteful decision

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for what's needed. But my favorite has become

00:23:21.940 --> 00:23:24.880
Jazz Fusion, because it's challenging. I just

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feel it has a little bit of everything in it.

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It's groovy, it's funky, it's interesting, it's

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different, it's creative. can be rock, it can

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be Latin, it can be bluesy, it can be country.

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When you say jazz, people have a preconception

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about maybe what they think jazz is. There's

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so many kinds. So it's a big term. But I do like

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this almost if I had to give it a genre, like

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a jazz fusion kind of thing, where, I don't know.

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Maybe I'm describing it wrong. But for me, it

00:24:00.220 --> 00:24:02.299
feels a little bit more open. There's not as

00:24:02.299 --> 00:24:05.019
many rules. And almost anything goes. You can

00:24:05.019 --> 00:24:08.619
have vocals. You can do guitars. Guitar is not

00:24:08.619 --> 00:24:11.799
even a jazz instrument so much traditionally.

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It's mostly horns and lots of piano and bass.

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And maybe if you're a guitar player, we might

00:24:19.019 --> 00:24:25.170
let you play, as Pat Metheny would say. That's

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where I'm at, and I try to do, I'll do that in

00:24:28.490 --> 00:24:32.289
any combination that I can, whether it be by

00:24:32.289 --> 00:24:36.470
myself or just with one friend, a small little

00:24:36.470 --> 00:24:40.309
group or a giant band. Right, exactly. Yeah,

00:24:40.509 --> 00:24:44.670
I enjoy all of it. That's amazing. And we'll,

00:24:44.670 --> 00:24:48.170
at the end of this interview, we'll talk a little

00:24:48.170 --> 00:24:51.609
bit about... the band you're playing, the upcoming

00:24:51.609 --> 00:24:54.789
gig, that sort of thing. But what I wanted to

00:24:54.789 --> 00:24:56.670
get together, and Joe and I can talk about so

00:24:56.670 --> 00:24:59.910
many different things, but one thing we definitely

00:24:59.910 --> 00:25:02.970
have in common is that we are definitely movie

00:25:02.970 --> 00:25:06.630
buffs. And we definitely connected on that level.

00:25:07.289 --> 00:25:09.230
I do have the review preview article that I write

00:25:09.230 --> 00:25:12.789
for the entertainer magazine and also do a little

00:25:12.789 --> 00:25:17.950
bit on the Mark Moe Show about movies. And my

00:25:17.950 --> 00:25:19.910
son has one called While You Were Sleeping, which

00:25:19.910 --> 00:25:23.089
is a really cool segment where he comes up with

00:25:23.089 --> 00:25:27.509
movies or shows or just any sort of multimedia

00:25:27.509 --> 00:25:29.730
experience that maybe he's slept on and he brings

00:25:29.730 --> 00:25:32.500
it up, which is kind of neat. So in this particular

00:25:32.500 --> 00:25:36.599
case, I just wanted to talk to you about, more

00:25:36.599 --> 00:25:39.200
importantly, like lately on your social media,

00:25:39.740 --> 00:25:42.559
you've been kind of doing some reviews and not

00:25:42.559 --> 00:25:45.980
necessarily like what's at the theater now or

00:25:45.980 --> 00:25:48.980
today. These are like some old classics or cult

00:25:48.980 --> 00:25:51.380
classics that you've been kind of revisiting.

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And I've just like, I thought that was really

00:25:52.980 --> 00:25:55.440
cool. So I'd love to hear a little bit about

00:25:55.440 --> 00:25:59.440
some of these that you've revisited. Yeah, there's

00:25:59.440 --> 00:26:01.880
not great service in here, so I can't flip through

00:26:01.880 --> 00:26:05.619
them all. But I got a good amount that I've watched

00:26:05.619 --> 00:26:08.180
recently that I definitely remember. For me,

00:26:08.279 --> 00:26:10.359
I don't post on social media a lot unless it's

00:26:10.359 --> 00:26:16.059
a painting or a show, flyer. Not very often do

00:26:16.059 --> 00:26:20.380
I put out an opinion or something. Sure. I just

00:26:20.380 --> 00:26:26.339
don't. So I don't know what what sparked it.

00:26:26.339 --> 00:26:28.440
I watch all these movies all the time all the

00:26:28.440 --> 00:26:32.880
time. Yeah, just constantly Anything that pops

00:26:32.880 --> 00:26:35.619
into my head and somehow becomes like an obsession

00:26:35.619 --> 00:26:37.839
until I watch that movie Whether it's been a

00:26:37.839 --> 00:26:41.569
hundred times or whether it's been one time So

00:26:41.569 --> 00:26:43.869
I don't know how I quite came to it, but I was

00:26:43.869 --> 00:26:46.950
like, oh, that would be fun. Maybe some people

00:26:46.950 --> 00:26:50.049
will also like this movie, and I'll have like

00:26:50.049 --> 00:26:53.509
two or three comments, and it'll be like a very

00:26:53.509 --> 00:26:57.750
small movie discussion. And there's no... Regimented

00:26:57.750 --> 00:27:00.430
format for for it, but I just kind of whatever

00:27:00.430 --> 00:27:02.529
movie I'm watching I put currently watching I'll

00:27:02.529 --> 00:27:05.250
put the movie I try to find an interesting still

00:27:05.250 --> 00:27:07.730
never the movie poster just like a good moment

00:27:07.730 --> 00:27:09.710
from the movie and sometimes I'll sit there and

00:27:09.710 --> 00:27:12.970
scroll through I was like there's a good like

00:27:12.970 --> 00:27:15.450
a great a beautiful moment from the movie, but

00:27:15.450 --> 00:27:19.650
not the one that everybody thinks about and then

00:27:19.650 --> 00:27:23.250
I think usually I just kind of give my two cents

00:27:23.250 --> 00:27:29.299
on the movie real quick. Yeah or either why I

00:27:29.299 --> 00:27:31.480
love it or what I got out of it this most recent

00:27:31.480 --> 00:27:34.099
time, you know, or why I keep coming back to

00:27:34.099 --> 00:27:36.839
it. Yeah, so what has been recently, we did,

00:27:37.960 --> 00:27:44.339
or I did, Encino Man. Yes. I have like, I think

00:27:44.339 --> 00:27:49.880
an affinity for these great... 90s movies. There's

00:27:49.880 --> 00:27:55.519
been several great eras of movies. Not just the

00:27:55.519 --> 00:27:58.740
90s, but the 90s were a great time for movies

00:27:58.740 --> 00:28:02.839
and there were so many good ones. To me it was

00:28:02.839 --> 00:28:05.079
that special time between where they had enough

00:28:05.079 --> 00:28:07.000
technology to kind of make what they wanted,

00:28:07.839 --> 00:28:11.059
but not so much technology to where they just

00:28:11.059 --> 00:28:14.559
use it for everything I suppose. Yes. They had

00:28:14.559 --> 00:28:17.140
to do a lot of practicality. So last night I

00:28:17.140 --> 00:28:21.279
watched two, actually. I watched the 1990 Teenage

00:28:21.279 --> 00:28:25.180
Mutant Ninja Turtles. Oh, yeah. And that movie

00:28:25.180 --> 00:28:28.640
is exactly what I'm talking about. It's gritty.

00:28:29.180 --> 00:28:31.380
In the movie, when it came out, it was probably

00:28:31.380 --> 00:28:33.680
just a kids movie. Right? Sure. It really wasn't

00:28:33.680 --> 00:28:36.829
meant as a serious film. But when you look back

00:28:36.829 --> 00:28:39.410
on it, it's got a ton of charm. Like even the

00:28:39.410 --> 00:28:44.230
opening, that great synth. And it's just like

00:28:44.230 --> 00:28:48.150
really good textures on the pipes. And then the

00:28:48.150 --> 00:28:54.029
suits and the faces. And the mechanics that go

00:28:54.029 --> 00:28:58.410
into making those specific suits, they had it

00:28:58.410 --> 00:29:01.670
down because there was so much tradition built

00:29:01.670 --> 00:29:07.420
around Frank Oz. Jim Henson and what George Lucas

00:29:07.420 --> 00:29:09.920
did and Yoda and the Muppets and all that. So

00:29:09.920 --> 00:29:13.559
and the Dark Crystal and all these great like

00:29:13.559 --> 00:29:17.339
puppetry like advancements and practical effects

00:29:17.339 --> 00:29:20.599
were at their peak right there. And then same

00:29:20.599 --> 00:29:24.900
era. Also last night was Death Becomes Her. Oh

00:29:24.900 --> 00:29:29.859
yeah. Classic. I mean like that's one that...

00:29:29.880 --> 00:29:31.880
I think it's because my mom always liked Meryl

00:29:31.880 --> 00:29:35.039
Streep. I always like Meryl Streep. And that's

00:29:35.039 --> 00:29:38.099
probably my favorite Meryl Streep movie. And

00:29:38.099 --> 00:29:41.279
I've been learning more about it throughout my

00:29:41.279 --> 00:29:43.500
life, but I remember watching it as a kid. And

00:29:43.500 --> 00:29:45.079
I was like, what's that one where she's got a

00:29:45.079 --> 00:29:48.759
hole in her stomach? And, you know, just see

00:29:48.759 --> 00:29:51.440
these scenes, you know, there's a lot of really

00:29:51.440 --> 00:29:53.539
good picturesque scenes. And then I grow up and

00:29:53.539 --> 00:29:56.579
I'm like, oh, that's why it's by Robert Semeckis,

00:29:56.759 --> 00:30:00.970
who makes very Memorable movies. Oh, yes, he

00:30:00.970 --> 00:30:03.710
does. Yeah, and he's he's become one of my favorites

00:30:03.710 --> 00:30:06.589
He doesn't have a ton of movies, but they're

00:30:06.589 --> 00:30:10.609
all I remember watching contact and I always

00:30:10.609 --> 00:30:13.970
go back to contact just because I love Carl Sagan

00:30:13.970 --> 00:30:19.509
of space and And it was like the tenth time.

00:30:19.509 --> 00:30:23.650
I just never watched That it's a mecus. Yeah,

00:30:23.650 --> 00:30:25.910
I was like, yeah, that's that's what it is Yeah,

00:30:25.910 --> 00:30:28.519
so I kind of became aware of like the the directors

00:30:28.519 --> 00:30:30.559
that I like, you know, a little later on, but

00:30:30.559 --> 00:30:33.960
there's something gravitational about some of

00:30:33.960 --> 00:30:38.960
these guys and women, directors who just like,

00:30:41.119 --> 00:30:44.359
just they have a way with their lens that it

00:30:44.359 --> 00:30:48.779
sticks in your memory a little bit more. I was

00:30:48.779 --> 00:30:50.680
kind of looking for that in a movie and it doesn't

00:30:50.680 --> 00:30:53.349
have to be like a serious movie. Ninja Turtles

00:30:53.349 --> 00:30:55.690
or something like it's just that some of them

00:30:55.690 --> 00:30:57.990
have it and some of them kind of lack I feel

00:30:57.990 --> 00:31:03.089
Now do you and I get different answers with fellow?

00:31:03.630 --> 00:31:05.930
Friends and whatnot that are movie buffs. I get

00:31:05.930 --> 00:31:08.769
different answers to this all the time if you

00:31:08.769 --> 00:31:12.329
have a preference To kind of like be in your

00:31:12.329 --> 00:31:16.029
own element in your home your TV put the movie

00:31:16.029 --> 00:31:19.930
in You know blanket bowl of popcorn on your favorite

00:31:19.930 --> 00:31:23.009
chair and just kind of chillin taking this movie

00:31:23.009 --> 00:31:27.490
and or do you prefer the movie theater in the

00:31:27.490 --> 00:31:29.670
fancy lounge chair with your snacks and that

00:31:29.670 --> 00:31:33.470
sort of thing. Do you have like one of those

00:31:33.470 --> 00:31:35.869
is like a favorite over another or is this kind

00:31:35.869 --> 00:31:39.569
of it just kind of depends. Okay so of course

00:31:39.569 --> 00:31:42.430
it depends on what your goal is with the movie.

00:31:42.670 --> 00:31:45.009
I think that's an important thing that maybe

00:31:45.009 --> 00:31:47.230
some people don't get. It's like it's not the

00:31:47.230 --> 00:31:49.670
movie that you like it's like what is right for

00:31:49.670 --> 00:31:52.529
tonight What's the perfect movie for this for

00:31:52.529 --> 00:31:55.009
this power? How we're both feeling how we're

00:31:55.009 --> 00:31:58.569
how I'm feeling that is is gonna just like maybe

00:31:58.569 --> 00:32:00.970
connect Yeah, so I think about that, you know

00:32:00.970 --> 00:32:03.009
and that when I think about you know If I show

00:32:03.009 --> 00:32:04.890
a movie to another person I'm like are they in

00:32:04.890 --> 00:32:07.069
the right headspace for this movie right now

00:32:07.069 --> 00:32:09.349
or should we not watch this movie right now and

00:32:09.349 --> 00:32:14.279
put on like, you know Mr. Bean or something But

00:32:14.279 --> 00:32:17.460
I gotta say if I have that ultimate viewing experience

00:32:17.460 --> 00:32:20.859
and it just got a wish list Yeah, easy. It would

00:32:20.859 --> 00:32:23.079
go I would go to the music box theater in Chicago.

00:32:23.099 --> 00:32:25.940
Hmm, and I would see you know, probably some

00:32:25.940 --> 00:32:29.500
What is it 78 millimeter 72 millimeter? I think

00:32:29.500 --> 00:32:33.640
78 millimeter film. Thank you and there is one

00:32:33.640 --> 00:32:36.519
that poked out in my mind and actually, you know,

00:32:36.599 --> 00:32:38.599
so I watched start watching some of these YouTube

00:32:38.599 --> 00:32:41.700
videos and these these guys kind of almost write

00:32:41.700 --> 00:32:45.180
video essays on certain movies and some good

00:32:45.180 --> 00:32:49.319
commentary and I'm watching one on Stanley Kubrick

00:32:49.319 --> 00:32:52.240
and this the narrator comes in he breaks in he's

00:32:52.240 --> 00:32:55.119
like I went to Chicago the music box theater

00:32:55.119 --> 00:32:58.319
and saw the 78 millimeter of 2001 a Space Odyssey

00:32:58.319 --> 00:33:02.500
for its 50th anniversary I believe and I was

00:33:02.500 --> 00:33:07.779
like me too I also saw that screening. And it

00:33:07.779 --> 00:33:12.259
was, yeah, we saw me and my friend Brendan went

00:33:12.259 --> 00:33:14.819
to Chicago because we knew that they were showing

00:33:14.819 --> 00:33:17.180
it and stuff. I was like, we need to go to Chicago

00:33:17.180 --> 00:33:21.940
and see this movie. And so we went there. Because

00:33:21.940 --> 00:33:24.240
I had watched something, a Stanley Kubrick documentary.

00:33:24.400 --> 00:33:27.579
I forget. It was something about his henchman.

00:33:27.799 --> 00:33:32.079
He had a henchman. He's an actor, too. He's in

00:33:32.079 --> 00:33:36.319
Barry Lyndon. Anyway, I forget his name, but

00:33:36.319 --> 00:33:39.500
he, now that Kubrick has passed away, is like

00:33:39.500 --> 00:33:44.599
the caretaker of the nobility, the, you know,

00:33:44.859 --> 00:33:47.779
the authenticity of all the films. So he's kind

00:33:47.779 --> 00:33:51.400
of has all this. So I knew that this was like

00:33:51.400 --> 00:33:54.140
a sanctioned screening. This was like the 78

00:33:54.140 --> 00:33:58.970
millimeter print of 2001 A Space Odyssey. Went

00:33:58.970 --> 00:34:01.549
to the music box. You can like have a cocktail

00:34:01.549 --> 00:34:03.990
while you're at the theater. So that's nice.

00:34:04.569 --> 00:34:09.829
Got some popcorn and we watched that. And two

00:34:09.829 --> 00:34:12.250
memorable moments. One is just the opening scenes,

00:34:12.329 --> 00:34:14.730
which are really just still photographs essentially.

00:34:15.929 --> 00:34:19.849
The color, the beauty of those opening couple

00:34:19.849 --> 00:34:23.469
of credits was shocking. I was like, dang, this

00:34:23.469 --> 00:34:27.010
is different than any other viewing experience

00:34:27.010 --> 00:34:32.429
that I've ever had. ever and since watched the

00:34:32.429 --> 00:34:34.889
whole you know first half of the movie and I

00:34:34.889 --> 00:34:37.469
forgot that there's an intermission and they

00:34:37.469 --> 00:34:40.090
took the intermission so that was awesome we

00:34:40.090 --> 00:34:42.769
all got up we all like kind of refilled and stuff

00:34:42.769 --> 00:34:45.949
and kind of came back and then watched part two

00:34:45.949 --> 00:34:50.039
and it was like Epic. It was so epic. It was

00:34:50.039 --> 00:34:54.539
my best movie viewing experience ever. So I always

00:34:54.539 --> 00:34:57.480
try to go to the theater to see a movie that

00:34:57.480 --> 00:35:00.300
I know is going to be awesome. Because I can

00:35:00.300 --> 00:35:02.659
go back through time and be like, oh yeah, I

00:35:02.659 --> 00:35:04.380
saw that in theaters. I saw this in theaters.

00:35:04.599 --> 00:35:06.860
I saw this in theaters. Sometimes I'm the only

00:35:06.860 --> 00:35:08.860
one there. But I'm like, I'm going to see this

00:35:08.860 --> 00:35:12.619
one in theater. Exactly. In fact, we spent, I

00:35:12.619 --> 00:35:15.659
got two good examples. This Christmas, Christmas

00:35:15.659 --> 00:35:18.599
Day, we spent. Christmas day, not with the family,

00:35:18.920 --> 00:35:21.079
we went to the movie theater and saw Nosferatu.

00:35:21.800 --> 00:35:25.639
I love that. That's awesome. And that was a great

00:35:25.639 --> 00:35:29.219
Christmas movie. Yeah. And then a couple of years

00:35:29.219 --> 00:35:33.639
ago, on my birthday, like on the day we went

00:35:33.639 --> 00:35:38.679
and saw the lighthouse. Oh, wow. Oh, they're

00:35:38.679 --> 00:35:42.739
both Robert Ericers movies. But yeah, I just

00:35:42.739 --> 00:35:44.739
have this way of like, I'm like, that's going

00:35:44.739 --> 00:35:48.539
to be a good one. Need to see that one. So I

00:35:48.539 --> 00:35:51.440
usually will have something in mind months ahead

00:35:51.440 --> 00:35:52.920
of time. I'm like, I'm waiting for this movie

00:35:52.920 --> 00:35:55.400
to come out so I can go see it. That's awesome.

00:35:55.659 --> 00:35:59.920
Yeah. So Sinners, I got to just do a shout out

00:35:59.920 --> 00:36:03.920
was the most recent one where I was like, so

00:36:03.920 --> 00:36:06.349
happy that I saw it in theaters. And that one

00:36:06.349 --> 00:36:09.090
was weird because it got a natural buzz. I had

00:36:09.090 --> 00:36:11.809
no idea about this movie before it came out.

00:36:12.269 --> 00:36:14.730
And then people started seeing it, and everybody

00:36:14.730 --> 00:36:17.090
agreed that it was good. And I was like, I guess

00:36:17.090 --> 00:36:19.130
I'm going to see this movie. And I went in completely

00:36:19.130 --> 00:36:21.769
blind, not knowing anything about what it was

00:36:21.769 --> 00:36:25.630
going to be. And I hadn't been that refreshed

00:36:25.630 --> 00:36:29.349
and surprised by a movie in a long time. So that's

00:36:29.349 --> 00:36:32.230
what sticks out. But I haven't seen it. I only

00:36:32.230 --> 00:36:34.030
saw it the one time. I haven't seen it again.

00:36:35.110 --> 00:36:38.170
Interesting. Interesting. But I agree with that.

00:36:38.170 --> 00:36:40.469
And I love the fact that there are a lot of theaters

00:36:40.469 --> 00:36:44.250
now that are taking like more older classic movies

00:36:44.250 --> 00:36:46.630
and bringing them back into the theater because

00:36:46.630 --> 00:36:49.389
there might be a movie from the 70s or 80s that

00:36:49.389 --> 00:36:51.170
you didn't see on the big screen and probably

00:36:51.170 --> 00:36:52.969
always thought, oh man, I bet that one really

00:36:52.969 --> 00:36:54.170
cool to see on the big screen. All of a sudden

00:36:54.170 --> 00:36:57.110
it's there. So like perfect example with the

00:36:57.110 --> 00:36:58.289
t -shirt you're wearing today, they're having

00:36:58.289 --> 00:37:02.170
the 50th anniversary release, which might be

00:37:02.170 --> 00:37:09.250
this weekend, I think. of Jaws and That is an

00:37:09.250 --> 00:37:11.110
epic movie. I think if people put like their

00:37:11.110 --> 00:37:14.110
top 10 top 20 list together Yeah, I think it's

00:37:14.110 --> 00:37:17.230
on most people's lists somewhere. It is it is

00:37:17.230 --> 00:37:20.869
somehow that's a week There's a number of perfect

00:37:20.869 --> 00:37:23.449
movies. That one's a weird perfect movie, but

00:37:23.449 --> 00:37:26.610
it kind of is perfect Yeah, and was plagued with

00:37:26.610 --> 00:37:30.110
so much problems in making it but yet is so good

00:37:30.110 --> 00:37:32.769
Which like I also love that. It doesn't need

00:37:32.769 --> 00:37:35.949
to be high -tech or anything, doesn't even need

00:37:35.949 --> 00:37:37.769
to be high budget to be really, really great,

00:37:37.889 --> 00:37:40.949
you know? Yeah, there's so many parts of that

00:37:40.949 --> 00:37:44.809
movie that are perfect, as you say. Like, for

00:37:44.809 --> 00:37:49.269
example, when the orca is leaving dock and it's

00:37:49.269 --> 00:37:52.510
going out, the way they take that camera angle

00:37:52.510 --> 00:37:56.269
through... the shark teeth in the shop and you

00:37:56.269 --> 00:37:58.590
see the boat like you just sit there be like

00:37:58.590 --> 00:38:00.349
did they do that on purpose or was that just

00:38:00.349 --> 00:38:03.030
a wonderful accident because that was such a

00:38:03.030 --> 00:38:05.369
great shot well i think that's uh i've kind of

00:38:05.369 --> 00:38:06.829
watched a little bit about how kubrick would

00:38:06.829 --> 00:38:09.630
do things and i think spielberg does it the same

00:38:09.630 --> 00:38:12.010
way is like that's the good director because

00:38:12.010 --> 00:38:14.889
you're just in the set right and you're you're

00:38:14.889 --> 00:38:16.809
doing and you don't necessarily know how the

00:38:16.809 --> 00:38:19.510
shot is gonna go uh unless i mean there could

00:38:19.510 --> 00:38:22.769
be a uh a storyboard but i've seen them kind

00:38:22.769 --> 00:38:26.199
of messing around with the angles in the moment

00:38:26.199 --> 00:38:29.059
and then like settling on like yes the right

00:38:29.059 --> 00:38:33.219
the right zoom out the right camera move to get

00:38:33.219 --> 00:38:36.039
there you know oh for sure yeah you know that

00:38:36.039 --> 00:38:39.760
and then i i just feel like robert shaw's monologue

00:38:39.760 --> 00:38:45.349
on the boat um is just phenomenal uh and and

00:38:45.349 --> 00:38:48.110
it's what leads up to it's great because you're

00:38:48.110 --> 00:38:50.289
waiting for that buddy moment between these three

00:38:50.289 --> 00:38:52.949
guys and you're finally getting it you're finally

00:38:52.949 --> 00:38:55.969
getting these guys to connect a little bit and

00:38:55.969 --> 00:38:58.929
then there's that one scene that never gets talked

00:38:58.929 --> 00:39:01.570
about again where they're talking about their

00:39:01.570 --> 00:39:04.289
injuries right and so they're going back and

00:39:04.289 --> 00:39:09.829
forth and so Roy Scheider pulls up his shirt

00:39:09.829 --> 00:39:12.530
a little bit, so it looks like a gunshot wound,

00:39:12.550 --> 00:39:15.949
but he doesn't say anything. It's obvious what

00:39:15.949 --> 00:39:18.869
it is. But he looks at it and just puts it back

00:39:18.869 --> 00:39:21.670
down. He just doesn't want to share that. I didn't

00:39:21.670 --> 00:39:24.090
know that guy was British until recently. Yeah.

00:39:24.369 --> 00:39:26.449
Isn't that something? Oh, man. He has the best

00:39:26.449 --> 00:39:29.349
little... He's not quite a pirate, but he has

00:39:29.349 --> 00:39:32.090
the best sailor voice ever. He really does. He

00:39:32.090 --> 00:39:35.849
nailed it. I was like, man, it's amazing to even

00:39:35.849 --> 00:39:38.639
think he's... maybe Scottish or something, or

00:39:38.639 --> 00:39:42.199
British for sure. Yeah, oh yeah. And with your

00:39:42.199 --> 00:39:44.400
point, like bringing back some of those old movies,

00:39:46.199 --> 00:39:49.079
I thought, you know, COVID was an okay time.

00:39:49.260 --> 00:39:51.719
You couldn't go to a movie theater, but we live

00:39:51.719 --> 00:39:54.039
in Valpo where there's a drive -in, and you could

00:39:54.039 --> 00:39:57.539
go outside, and they weren't making any new movies,

00:39:57.880 --> 00:39:59.840
and so they were just only showing old ones.

00:39:59.980 --> 00:40:03.019
And so we saw so many good old films, like in

00:40:03.019 --> 00:40:06.340
the old style at the drive -in. Had a car at

00:40:06.340 --> 00:40:08.139
the time that had a pretty decent stereo and

00:40:08.139 --> 00:40:10.820
it was a convertible so we went out there in

00:40:10.820 --> 00:40:12.900
the convertible really good stereo and I heard

00:40:12.900 --> 00:40:15.900
parts they did a Spielberg double feature and

00:40:15.900 --> 00:40:20.900
it was jaws and Jurassic Park and that's fantastic.

00:40:20.960 --> 00:40:24.300
Yeah talk about like epic experiences, right?

00:40:24.539 --> 00:40:26.320
There's a couple of really good they were doing

00:40:26.320 --> 00:40:28.639
these like great pairs, you know, I wish they

00:40:28.639 --> 00:40:32.710
would do even more It's a fantasy, a dream of

00:40:32.710 --> 00:40:36.449
mine to own a theater and then do it right. Yes.

00:40:37.489 --> 00:40:41.030
I would agree. I will say I'm not a big fan of

00:40:41.030 --> 00:40:45.010
the new style movie houses. And I miss the old

00:40:45.010 --> 00:40:48.929
theaters. When I was really young, I grew up

00:40:48.929 --> 00:40:52.289
in Vincennes, Indiana. And we had the downtown

00:40:52.289 --> 00:40:54.929
street, and there was a theater with the old

00:40:54.929 --> 00:40:57.059
marquee. And that was the movie theater. Which

00:40:57.059 --> 00:40:59.099
would be considered like an art house theater

00:40:59.099 --> 00:41:02.219
or something. Yeah. I mean, essentially these

00:41:02.219 --> 00:41:04.480
days it would be considered that because that's

00:41:04.480 --> 00:41:07.099
how movie theaters were. All of them were kind

00:41:07.099 --> 00:41:10.539
of like that. Not quite a movie palace, but definitely

00:41:10.539 --> 00:41:13.179
with the slanted rows and the sticky floors.

00:41:13.179 --> 00:41:18.440
I love it. And all of that. And I saw a ton of

00:41:18.440 --> 00:41:21.780
movies there in the 90s. Anyway, if I were to...

00:41:21.760 --> 00:41:23.880
You know be able to do things my way. I would

00:41:23.880 --> 00:41:25.820
like own a theater like that like the crown theater

00:41:25.820 --> 00:41:30.940
used to be Restore it sell cheap Concessions

00:41:30.940 --> 00:41:34.019
and show like probably old movies Right. Oh,

00:41:34.239 --> 00:41:36.440
yeah, absolutely these like little themed nights

00:41:36.440 --> 00:41:40.159
and stuff. Yeah, I love I love the old movies

00:41:40.159 --> 00:41:43.280
and it's matter of fact last year I saw two Hitchcock.

00:41:43.480 --> 00:41:48.039
I saw north by northwest and rear window cool,

00:41:48.139 --> 00:41:50.739
so I saw both of those on the big screen and

00:41:50.650 --> 00:41:53.550
Grown up you just your color TV in your living

00:41:53.550 --> 00:41:55.829
room. That's that's where you'd like WGN would

00:41:55.829 --> 00:41:58.710
have like a Saturday afternoon matinee and my

00:41:58.710 --> 00:42:00.409
dad would always watch them so I'd watch them

00:42:00.409 --> 00:42:04.050
with them it was all movies like that and Any

00:42:04.050 --> 00:42:08.269
time a movie theater promotes that I I just go

00:42:08.269 --> 00:42:12.269
I have to do this I went through a little Hitchcock

00:42:12.269 --> 00:42:15.389
spell very recently. Oh did you I've seen rear

00:42:15.389 --> 00:42:16.929
window before but it had been a long time So

00:42:16.929 --> 00:42:20.010
I watched that one and what's the other one vertigo?

00:42:20.570 --> 00:42:22.369
Vertigo's good. That's cool. That one's a little

00:42:22.369 --> 00:42:26.769
different. It is different. It's kind of a wispy

00:42:26.769 --> 00:42:30.769
vibe, you know? Kind of like this lady who's

00:42:30.769 --> 00:42:33.630
going out to the Golden Gate Bridge every day

00:42:33.630 --> 00:42:36.070
and staring out into the ocean. It's just a little

00:42:36.070 --> 00:42:38.570
different than some other Hitchcock stuff. I

00:42:38.570 --> 00:42:41.829
love that he worked so much with Jimmy Stewart

00:42:41.829 --> 00:42:45.269
because Jimmy Stewart was kind of, especially

00:42:45.269 --> 00:42:46.769
earlier in his career, was just kind of that

00:42:46.769 --> 00:42:53.969
aw shucks. kind of guy and roles that matched

00:42:53.969 --> 00:42:56.869
his personality a little bit. But when he would

00:42:56.869 --> 00:43:00.909
get with Hitchcock, man, that was different characters

00:43:00.909 --> 00:43:04.010
for him, for sure. Yeah. Yeah, I was thinking

00:43:04.010 --> 00:43:07.210
along the same lines. And I was saying that a

00:43:07.210 --> 00:43:09.030
little earlier. There's been multiple really

00:43:09.030 --> 00:43:12.989
great eras for movies in Hollywood come up and

00:43:12.989 --> 00:43:17.130
down. And of course, that was like a golden age

00:43:17.130 --> 00:43:19.250
in that time. They're like, I don't know when

00:43:19.250 --> 00:43:23.329
those movies were coming up in the 60s. Yeah,

00:43:23.570 --> 00:43:27.829
right. All throughout the 60s. And I was like,

00:43:27.909 --> 00:43:30.130
yeah, Jimmy Stewart's, you know, a list actor

00:43:30.130 --> 00:43:34.289
at that time. And he's kind of he kind of found

00:43:34.289 --> 00:43:38.269
his Tarantino of the time. And Tarantino used

00:43:38.269 --> 00:43:40.510
him in three or four or five, you know, kind

00:43:40.510 --> 00:43:43.329
of like Samuel L. Jackson. He said he went through

00:43:43.329 --> 00:43:45.980
a whole cycle. And then there's a bunch of people

00:43:45.980 --> 00:43:49.820
who are just not even hip to Jimmy Stewart or

00:43:49.820 --> 00:43:56.280
Hitchcock. I know he's got a lot more that I

00:43:56.280 --> 00:43:58.179
haven't seen. And I haven't seen North by Northwest.

00:43:59.639 --> 00:44:01.500
So I have to check that one out. Yeah, you might

00:44:01.500 --> 00:44:03.300
have to check that one out. That one's pretty

00:44:03.300 --> 00:44:09.840
good for sure. Well versed in the movies you

00:44:09.840 --> 00:44:11.639
like a lot of different genres and things of

00:44:11.639 --> 00:44:14.400
that nature but i know you love the historical

00:44:14.400 --> 00:44:19.480
movies movies based in history. And sci -fi as

00:44:19.480 --> 00:44:22.340
well so i kind of want to do a little bit of

00:44:22.340 --> 00:44:25.079
a game these are some segments that i take from

00:44:25.079 --> 00:44:28.000
some of my older radio shows and things of that

00:44:28.000 --> 00:44:32.139
nature so there's there's one. One segment that

00:44:32.139 --> 00:44:34.400
I used to have is called rapid fire and I used

00:44:34.400 --> 00:44:37.119
to do this a lot on the sports show I used to

00:44:37.119 --> 00:44:41.539
have and so I would like throw Terminology out

00:44:41.539 --> 00:44:43.420
there. I throw a name. I throw a city. I throw

00:44:43.420 --> 00:44:47.699
a team whatever out there and it's supposed to

00:44:47.699 --> 00:44:52.480
invoke a quick brief or response to whatever

00:44:52.480 --> 00:44:57.860
that might be and so I have picked it's very

00:44:57.860 --> 00:45:04.889
short but List of historical films, okay And

00:45:04.889 --> 00:45:07.449
want to get your take it can be as short as a

00:45:07.449 --> 00:45:10.869
word or two It can be a full -on sentence and

00:45:10.869 --> 00:45:12.989
sometimes that's hard to do it might be tougher

00:45:12.989 --> 00:45:16.750
than you think But we're gonna get started and

00:45:16.750 --> 00:45:22.769
we're gonna start it with Schindler's list Spielberg's

00:45:22.769 --> 00:45:27.110
Movie about his his culture and it was difficult

00:45:27.110 --> 00:45:30.530
to make fun I love it. Good job. Good job. That

00:45:30.530 --> 00:45:36.050
was good. Milk. I was unaware of it. And then

00:45:36.050 --> 00:45:39.190
Sean Penn. And I still didn't see it. But I am

00:45:39.190 --> 00:45:42.469
at least aware of the politician now. Got it.

00:45:42.610 --> 00:45:44.429
Got it. Well, that'll be the challenge, too,

00:45:44.630 --> 00:45:46.250
in the fact that I know you've seen a lot of

00:45:46.250 --> 00:45:48.309
movies. But there still could be a few. You know,

00:45:48.389 --> 00:45:50.329
I know that it's out there. But it's not one

00:45:50.329 --> 00:45:53.750
that. that I have gotten around to yet, but I

00:45:53.750 --> 00:45:57.369
know it is there. Yeah, no, it's a good movie.

00:45:57.610 --> 00:45:59.610
It's one of those things where Sean Penn's one

00:45:59.610 --> 00:46:03.190
of those actors that kind of can rub people the

00:46:03.190 --> 00:46:07.670
wrong way. Doesn't have... I'm not a hater or

00:46:07.670 --> 00:46:10.929
a lover, but he's got his moments. Exactly. This

00:46:10.929 --> 00:46:12.429
was definitely a moment for him. It was a very

00:46:12.429 --> 00:46:19.949
good movie. The Express, which was a sports historical

00:46:19.949 --> 00:46:24.079
film. about Ernie Davis from Syracuse. Murder

00:46:24.079 --> 00:46:26.440
on the Midnight Express. There you go. Okay.

00:46:26.519 --> 00:46:28.559
I'll take it. I'll take it. I will take it. Didn't

00:46:28.559 --> 00:46:31.340
see that one. No, that's okay. Good movie, though.

00:46:31.380 --> 00:46:37.619
I recommend it. Argo. Tarantino should have got

00:46:37.619 --> 00:46:41.579
the award. Ooh, I like that. That's a hot take.

00:46:41.940 --> 00:46:44.679
That's a hot take. I love that. Do you know what

00:46:44.679 --> 00:46:47.000
the moment I'm talking about? I do know. Tarantino

00:46:47.000 --> 00:46:50.849
spits his... Champagne out? Yes, I do. Yes, I

00:46:50.849 --> 00:46:52.809
do. And rightfully so, because it was against

00:46:52.809 --> 00:46:55.349
Django, which was a brilliant movie. It was phenomenal.

00:46:55.630 --> 00:46:59.349
Yeah. It was really great. Tora, Tora, Tora.

00:47:00.050 --> 00:47:06.750
Ah. Just in the classic, I bought a trilogy and

00:47:06.750 --> 00:47:11.039
it included that and The Longest Day and... a

00:47:11.039 --> 00:47:13.380
third World War II movie, so it just reminds

00:47:13.380 --> 00:47:16.340
me of that VHS set that I have. Oh, that sounds

00:47:16.340 --> 00:47:20.539
like a great set. Zero Dark Thirty. I watched

00:47:20.539 --> 00:47:28.260
it, and it was fine. OK. This is like Black Hawk

00:47:28.260 --> 00:47:30.159
Down. I feel like they're just all too similar.

00:47:30.460 --> 00:47:32.119
Yeah. Although Black Hawk Down is pretty good.

00:47:32.139 --> 00:47:34.059
And kind of at that time, they were like two

00:47:34.059 --> 00:47:36.260
or three or four movies OK. They were very similar

00:47:36.260 --> 00:47:38.860
that way. It's also like The Hurt Locker. I don't

00:47:38.860 --> 00:47:41.389
know. I just kind of. I was like, all right.

00:47:43.570 --> 00:47:49.309
Titanic. Just absolutely brilliant. And the level

00:47:49.309 --> 00:47:53.130
of detail, I feel like I was there. Yeah, level

00:47:53.130 --> 00:47:56.730
of detail was great. And all I'm going to say,

00:47:57.610 --> 00:47:59.849
Rose, you should have moved your ass over. There

00:47:59.849 --> 00:48:03.960
was. plenty of room on that. What was it? A headboard?

00:48:03.980 --> 00:48:06.840
It was a door, I believe. It was a door. Well,

00:48:07.840 --> 00:48:11.539
OK, so Cameron, I know this is too long. Well,

00:48:11.559 --> 00:48:16.000
we're just talking about it. Cameron, this is

00:48:16.000 --> 00:48:17.940
his worst moment in all of his movies because

00:48:17.940 --> 00:48:21.159
he gets no more criticism than on that moment.

00:48:21.420 --> 00:48:23.420
And so he did like a whole thing. He did a little

00:48:23.420 --> 00:48:25.860
TV special where he puts him back in the water

00:48:25.860 --> 00:48:28.739
tank and two people, and they both get on the

00:48:28.739 --> 00:48:32.190
board. And yes. there is enough room but the

00:48:32.190 --> 00:48:34.150
weight of the two people because he used the

00:48:34.150 --> 00:48:37.050
exact same prowl the weight of the two people

00:48:37.050 --> 00:48:41.210
pushes the board down into where they're basically

00:48:41.210 --> 00:48:44.369
both in the water and they would have both died

00:48:44.369 --> 00:48:48.030
so i'm gonna i'm not it sounds like i'm defending

00:48:48.030 --> 00:48:49.170
cameron now i was about to say you're letting

00:48:49.170 --> 00:48:52.289
him off the hook i don't know i i'll look past

00:48:52.289 --> 00:48:54.510
it because the rest of it was so great no oh

00:48:54.510 --> 00:48:57.369
no doubt no doubt all right the last uh one i

00:48:57.369 --> 00:49:01.610
have 12 years a slave There's these certain movies

00:49:01.610 --> 00:49:06.449
that I think I can only just watch one time And

00:49:06.449 --> 00:49:09.030
there's a there's a couple and that one is so

00:49:09.030 --> 00:49:15.429
brutally and just like honest true story and

00:49:15.429 --> 00:49:18.610
Michael Fassbender goes to the darkest place

00:49:18.610 --> 00:49:21.750
ever And I can only just it makes me think about

00:49:21.750 --> 00:49:23.929
how that was probably real because he wrote that

00:49:23.929 --> 00:49:25.889
book and that's what he's talking about So I

00:49:25.889 --> 00:49:29.780
was like, dude It just reminds me of the importance

00:49:29.780 --> 00:49:33.719
of teaching history to people. Absolutely. Which

00:49:33.719 --> 00:49:35.780
I know is a love of yours as well. Yeah. I've

00:49:35.780 --> 00:49:37.960
grown a love for it. Yeah. And learned a lot.

00:49:38.780 --> 00:49:42.380
And the topic of slavery and what happened with

00:49:42.380 --> 00:49:45.559
all of it is something that I talk about very

00:49:45.559 --> 00:49:50.099
bluntly and openly and in detail. Good. Yeah.

00:49:50.099 --> 00:49:54.610
Yeah. That needs to be done. Yep. To the point

00:49:54.610 --> 00:49:56.250
where I'm like, I don't care if it's uncomfortable

00:49:56.250 --> 00:49:58.210
or whatever. It was like word This is what this

00:49:58.210 --> 00:50:00.929
is the topic of the day. Yeah, that's awesome.

00:50:00.929 --> 00:50:04.610
I love that Now before we move to our next segment,

00:50:04.610 --> 00:50:10.889
I wanted to ask you Is there like if somebody

00:50:10.889 --> 00:50:14.789
said hey Give me a recommendation and maybe you've

00:50:14.789 --> 00:50:18.630
got a couple give me a recommendation of a historical

00:50:18.630 --> 00:50:24.530
film that you think really embodies that period

00:50:24.530 --> 00:50:27.590
of history. Now, I know no movie's perfect in

00:50:27.590 --> 00:50:32.989
terms of accuracy necessary, because films do

00:50:32.989 --> 00:50:35.789
take creative license. And quite frankly, some

00:50:35.789 --> 00:50:37.489
things might just not look good on the screen,

00:50:37.690 --> 00:50:42.030
and they take some license there. So if someone

00:50:42.030 --> 00:50:44.150
were to come up and be like, hey man, I was just

00:50:44.150 --> 00:50:46.869
kind of looking for a cool historical film, what

00:50:46.869 --> 00:50:51.139
would you recommend? Okay, a clarifying question.

00:50:52.960 --> 00:50:56.380
Should I suggest a movie that really nails the

00:50:56.380 --> 00:50:58.780
time period or one that I think is that you're

00:50:58.780 --> 00:51:02.699
gonna enjoy? How about both? Okay. Nails the

00:51:02.699 --> 00:51:05.780
time period. One that comes to mind for me is

00:51:05.780 --> 00:51:08.860
Black Death. You see this movie? I have not seen

00:51:08.860 --> 00:51:11.179
Black Death. It is a little bit of an independent

00:51:11.179 --> 00:51:14.239
film. It does have, whoever plays, I think his

00:51:14.239 --> 00:51:18.280
name is Aragon in Lord of the Rings. Okay. No

00:51:18.280 --> 00:51:23.659
one just walks into Mordor. He is a knight, and

00:51:23.659 --> 00:51:27.280
it takes place in the Black Plague, the Black

00:51:27.280 --> 00:51:32.159
Death, the Bubonic Plague, in what we can assume

00:51:32.159 --> 00:51:35.760
is maybe England or perhaps somewhere else in

00:51:35.760 --> 00:51:38.400
Europe, maybe France. And they're called upon

00:51:38.400 --> 00:51:44.199
to go to this village that is free of the pestilence.

00:51:44.780 --> 00:51:48.800
And so they go there. I think maybe they must

00:51:48.800 --> 00:51:50.579
have suspected something because there's all

00:51:50.579 --> 00:51:52.920
these warriors go along with him and they have

00:51:52.920 --> 00:51:55.860
these torture devices and There's weapons and

00:51:55.860 --> 00:51:58.880
stuff and yeah, they go and I think they're free

00:51:58.880 --> 00:52:01.780
of pestilence But I think that they there they

00:52:01.780 --> 00:52:06.639
feel that there's a witch And so they are taken

00:52:06.639 --> 00:52:10.400
in and you know chaos ensues we'll say for no

00:52:10.400 --> 00:52:14.920
spoilers, but you know that movie just like with

00:52:14.920 --> 00:52:18.789
the the tone of it, the portrayal of the dark

00:52:18.789 --> 00:52:22.869
ages. It probably is a little maybe overhyped,

00:52:23.329 --> 00:52:26.349
but from some of the historical pictures that

00:52:26.349 --> 00:52:30.289
I've seen, it might be very accurate, actually.

00:52:30.889 --> 00:52:32.929
And just, yeah, the whole idea of the history

00:52:32.929 --> 00:52:37.329
of burning witches and all of that atrocities

00:52:37.329 --> 00:52:40.610
that have happened, as far as a movie that's

00:52:40.610 --> 00:52:44.019
kind of, for whatever, badass. Oh, for sure.

00:52:44.239 --> 00:52:46.579
You know, just because it's cool and the way

00:52:46.579 --> 00:52:50.059
the movie turns out is like, whoa. Yeah. Black

00:52:50.059 --> 00:52:53.800
Death is really good. Yeah. And that one almost

00:52:53.800 --> 00:52:57.780
checks both boxes because it feels very to the

00:52:57.780 --> 00:53:02.639
period, but is also enjoyable. And not that many

00:53:02.639 --> 00:53:05.239
people have seen it. So it's like, in a way,

00:53:05.820 --> 00:53:09.000
did you watch Nightcrawler? Yeah, yeah, it's

00:53:09.000 --> 00:53:11.219
like a little independent a little bit but still

00:53:11.219 --> 00:53:13.219
pretty good and high quality over same kind of

00:53:13.219 --> 00:53:16.820
thing for for black death That would be maybe

00:53:16.820 --> 00:53:20.280
a historical Another one that I just got a shout

00:53:20.280 --> 00:53:23.619
out though is dances with wolves. I don't know

00:53:23.619 --> 00:53:27.000
if that's Based on a true story. I feel like

00:53:27.000 --> 00:53:29.900
it's not it is based on a book. Yeah, and but

00:53:29.900 --> 00:53:32.840
I just love that movie. I think about it like

00:53:32.840 --> 00:53:38.300
daily. It's just something about it. It's not

00:53:38.300 --> 00:53:40.900
your typical western. It doesn't feel like a

00:53:40.900 --> 00:53:47.019
John Wayne movie. I just grew up with that one.

00:53:47.179 --> 00:53:49.099
As far as a historical time period that I just

00:53:49.099 --> 00:53:52.400
enjoy and think about, everything that happens

00:53:52.400 --> 00:53:57.000
in that movie is, in my opinion, just captivating.

00:53:58.230 --> 00:54:01.389
Yeah, so dances with was the music the everything

00:54:01.389 --> 00:54:04.769
about that movie. Oh, and it was Kevin Costner's

00:54:04.769 --> 00:54:07.530
directorial debut It was and he hasn't really

00:54:07.530 --> 00:54:10.809
been able to match that but he nailed it. Oh,

00:54:10.809 --> 00:54:15.010
he nailed it He's cool. He is so cool. He is

00:54:15.010 --> 00:54:18.510
so cool That's really great. And thank you for

00:54:18.510 --> 00:54:22.110
for answering that we're now on to something

00:54:22.110 --> 00:54:25.360
I call Not what I call, it's what it is, tier

00:54:25.360 --> 00:54:29.260
listing. And it's something that I've done on

00:54:29.260 --> 00:54:33.300
the Mark Mo Show podcast many times. And we've

00:54:33.300 --> 00:54:37.480
actually, Aidan Moloney, who is my co -host on

00:54:37.480 --> 00:54:41.099
the show, we just got done doing a two parter

00:54:41.099 --> 00:54:46.679
on retro gaming. So we did everything from the

00:54:46.679 --> 00:54:51.239
Atari 2600 games all the way forward. We really

00:54:51.239 --> 00:54:53.340
didn't get up to like 360. It was more like,

00:54:54.300 --> 00:54:57.599
PS2 kind of game. So we did a lot of games in

00:54:57.599 --> 00:55:02.739
that genre of gaming and it was really good.

00:55:02.760 --> 00:55:05.579
It was really interesting and I didn't necessarily

00:55:05.579 --> 00:55:07.980
put all the classics because then you're just

00:55:07.980 --> 00:55:10.719
gonna load up your top tier and it's just not

00:55:10.719 --> 00:55:13.159
gonna be very interesting. So I picked a couple

00:55:13.159 --> 00:55:18.219
of sus games along the way. So I figured if I'm

00:55:18.219 --> 00:55:19.380
gonna sit down with you and we're gonna chat

00:55:19.380 --> 00:55:23.409
movies. we're of course going to include sci

00:55:23.409 --> 00:55:26.570
-fi. And we're of course going to tier list some

00:55:26.570 --> 00:55:32.170
sci -fi movies. And they may not all be top tier,

00:55:32.489 --> 00:55:35.630
but maybe they are. We're gonna find out here

00:55:35.630 --> 00:55:37.909
in just a second. So I'm gonna name these movies.

00:55:37.949 --> 00:55:40.630
We're gonna have a discussion. It's not like

00:55:40.630 --> 00:55:42.690
rapid fire where we're doing like a sentence.

00:55:42.809 --> 00:55:45.329
I mean, we can discuss these in length if we

00:55:45.329 --> 00:55:48.329
care to. So what we're doing is we're grading

00:55:48.329 --> 00:55:51.309
them. So S is the top tier, that's superior.

00:55:52.389 --> 00:55:57.309
Then you have A, B, C, D, and then F if you're

00:55:57.309 --> 00:56:00.829
just like, yeah, that movie's kinda trash. So

00:56:00.829 --> 00:56:02.789
we're gonna have that discussion and the kicker

00:56:02.789 --> 00:56:05.789
is we have to agree. So maybe we'll be off a

00:56:05.789 --> 00:56:09.769
little bit and we just kinda have to sell our,

00:56:09.769 --> 00:56:12.409
where we're at with these movies. And I'm gonna

00:56:12.409 --> 00:56:15.320
start with the original Star Trek movie. Original

00:56:15.320 --> 00:56:19.079
Star Trek. Just called Star Trek. It's just Star

00:56:19.079 --> 00:56:21.699
Trek. It's with... Remind me what happens in

00:56:21.699 --> 00:56:23.559
this one. I've seen a number of them and I kind

00:56:23.559 --> 00:56:25.599
of get the, especially with the ones with Shatner,

00:56:25.840 --> 00:56:28.500
like the plots I get a little mixed up. Yeah,

00:56:28.579 --> 00:56:32.940
it's Shatner and Nimoy and the original one,

00:56:33.159 --> 00:56:35.539
it's vastly different. So it's not the search

00:56:35.539 --> 00:56:39.019
for Spock or Khan or any of that, but it happens

00:56:39.019 --> 00:56:42.679
before all of those. And it's... Basically just

00:56:42.679 --> 00:56:47.340
like a glorified episode of the TV show What

00:56:47.340 --> 00:56:50.619
is the main villain or the problem in this in

00:56:50.619 --> 00:56:54.519
this one? I can't even remember Okay, so it's

00:56:54.519 --> 00:56:56.420
been a hot minute. Yeah, it's private 20 years

00:56:56.420 --> 00:57:00.719
since I've seen it. Okay, Star Trek Well, I don't

00:57:00.719 --> 00:57:03.460
know how to respond but I wouldn't kind of tear

00:57:03.460 --> 00:57:05.840
this one on the lower side just because it doesn't

00:57:05.840 --> 00:57:10.280
have a place in my heart as much I Star Trek

00:57:10.280 --> 00:57:13.920
was not something that I got into until later.

00:57:14.539 --> 00:57:17.039
J .J. Abrams to thank for that. There you go.

00:57:17.480 --> 00:57:18.980
Yeah. Yeah, so I'm kind of maybe one of those

00:57:18.980 --> 00:57:22.019
guys. I remember when I was a kid, it was Star

00:57:22.019 --> 00:57:25.860
Trek Next Generation with Patrick Stewart. Yes.

00:57:26.079 --> 00:57:30.460
And I would watch that show and I'd be into it.

00:57:30.639 --> 00:57:32.340
But I guess I was always more of a Star Wars

00:57:32.340 --> 00:57:35.239
guy. Sure. And never really got the concept of

00:57:35.239 --> 00:57:39.840
what Star Trek is. Then I was aware of the old

00:57:39.840 --> 00:57:43.800
show and I was like, okay Star Trek and then

00:57:43.800 --> 00:57:46.320
The movies came out and I was like, oh these

00:57:46.320 --> 00:57:48.860
are gonna be terrible Reboot makes and so I didn't

00:57:48.860 --> 00:57:51.420
watch them and I came back to him later a friend

00:57:51.420 --> 00:57:54.719
of mine Showed me the Star Trek movie. It kind

00:57:54.719 --> 00:57:57.119
of almost sat me down and it's like watch it,

00:57:57.119 --> 00:58:02.119
right? He's like if you don't Pick up on like

00:58:02.119 --> 00:58:06.329
why this is cool Then I can't help you And then

00:58:06.329 --> 00:58:08.469
I watched it, and I was like, oh, I do get it.

00:58:08.550 --> 00:58:12.250
I get what Star Trek is. I get what the universe

00:58:12.250 --> 00:58:15.170
is about in Star Trek, which I didn't understand

00:58:15.170 --> 00:58:19.369
before. Right. The Gene Roddenberry kind of vision

00:58:19.369 --> 00:58:23.670
of it. Correct. Oh, that's way cool. And now,

00:58:23.829 --> 00:58:25.590
these days, I could say I think I like it more

00:58:25.590 --> 00:58:28.329
than Star Wars, just because I agree with it

00:58:28.329 --> 00:58:32.769
more. But those reboot characters and especially

00:58:32.769 --> 00:58:35.429
the reboot Spock, who I'm ashamed to say I don't

00:58:35.429 --> 00:58:37.650
even know his name, who plays Spock in the J

00:58:37.650 --> 00:58:41.489
.J. Abrams Star Trek. But I love that movie.

00:58:42.329 --> 00:58:45.210
Zachary Quinto. Is that Zachary Quinto? Yeah,

00:58:45.250 --> 00:58:49.329
he nailed it. He did. And the plot was cool and

00:58:49.329 --> 00:58:50.949
exposed me to a lot of Star Trek and I kind of

00:58:50.949 --> 00:58:52.829
watched the sequels after that and then went

00:58:52.829 --> 00:58:55.269
back and started to dig into the Shatner movies

00:58:55.269 --> 00:58:58.469
and all the Star Trek stuff because it's an extensive...

00:58:58.480 --> 00:59:05.139
show. Yeah, so that if we're just tearing it,

00:59:05.460 --> 00:59:07.539
and we've gone all the way back to the original,

00:59:07.820 --> 00:59:11.239
I gotta say I just don't not as familiar with

00:59:11.239 --> 00:59:13.900
it for it to be a tear for me. So I will give

00:59:13.900 --> 00:59:16.420
it. It's not a bad movie though. So I'll give

00:59:16.420 --> 00:59:20.739
it a B minus. I'll agree with that. I was thinking

00:59:20.739 --> 00:59:25.599
C plus B minus myself, because it is it is so

00:59:25.599 --> 00:59:29.719
rough. Yeah. It's very 60s, very 60s. It's very

00:59:29.719 --> 00:59:36.420
60s. The story is just very mid. And I mean,

00:59:36.659 --> 00:59:40.380
once again, if you're talking sci -fi, it's the

00:59:40.380 --> 00:59:42.880
beginning. It's the beginning of sci -fi. Sure.

00:59:42.980 --> 00:59:45.920
So you can't, like I try not to be too judgy

00:59:45.920 --> 00:59:48.079
about it. I mean, it's not going to, you know,

00:59:48.139 --> 00:59:52.079
it's not going to look, you know, like a modern

00:59:52.079 --> 00:59:55.119
Star Wars movie or... You know how some horror

00:59:55.119 --> 00:59:57.789
movies are kind of not meant to be great? Yeah,

00:59:57.949 --> 01:00:00.210
in a way like and that's part of the charm I

01:00:00.210 --> 01:00:03.429
feel like the cheesiness of those 60s sci -fi

01:00:03.429 --> 01:00:06.090
things was like part of what kind of gives them

01:00:06.090 --> 01:00:08.769
their charm a little bit sure so in that in that

01:00:08.769 --> 01:00:12.730
case, you know This is kind of like that hilarious

01:00:12.730 --> 01:00:17.010
perfect version of a not very well produced I

01:00:17.010 --> 01:00:19.250
don't know if it's in the 60s or maybe 1970 for

01:00:19.250 --> 01:00:23.219
that first movie You know movie like that. Yeah,

01:00:23.219 --> 01:00:26.239
yeah, but the cinematography all of that is is

01:00:26.239 --> 01:00:28.860
pretty Yeah, it's pretty rough, but you gotta

01:00:28.860 --> 01:00:30.860
learn to crawl before you can walk and run and

01:00:30.860 --> 01:00:32.420
all that kind of stuff So that's kind of the

01:00:32.420 --> 01:00:34.860
way I look at it. Okay. All right, so you'll

01:00:34.860 --> 01:00:36.579
agree on a b -minus We'll agree on a b -minus.

01:00:36.719 --> 01:00:39.000
I won't be too harsh on it and give it a c -plus

01:00:39.000 --> 01:00:44.559
Yeah, well I was ready to uh 2001 space odyssey

01:00:44.559 --> 01:00:47.739
now that is it has to be an s has to be because

01:00:47.739 --> 01:00:49.599
100 well everything you were just saying about

01:00:49.599 --> 01:00:52.590
like Star Trek being the foundation. Do you know

01:00:52.590 --> 01:00:56.829
what came out first? I think the Star Trek movie

01:00:56.829 --> 01:00:59.750
did come out, but this was not long after though.

01:01:00.190 --> 01:01:05.710
Is it? Are we sure? I'm not sure on that. Let's

01:01:05.710 --> 01:01:08.289
do some live podcast research. Okay, because

01:01:08.289 --> 01:01:12.489
I was under the impression that there were a

01:01:12.489 --> 01:01:17.760
lot of what I would just saying like bad Sci

01:01:17.760 --> 01:01:20.820
-fi movies like what Mars attacks kind of plays

01:01:20.820 --> 01:01:25.579
on yeah Like all those old terrible 50s sci -fi

01:01:25.579 --> 01:01:29.719
films that was what sci -fi was until 2001 a

01:01:29.719 --> 01:01:33.199
space Odyssey came on and made a real space movie

01:01:33.199 --> 01:01:36.659
yes, and I will give that movie all the credit

01:01:36.659 --> 01:01:40.300
for everything that it is and it has to be You

01:01:40.300 --> 01:01:43.199
know, is that right a masterpiece looks like

01:01:43.199 --> 01:01:46.699
2001 a space out in 1968. Is that right? Yeah,

01:01:46.699 --> 01:01:49.079
it was very very early because it was only his

01:01:49.079 --> 01:01:52.440
third film I think he did Lolita. He did dr.

01:01:52.599 --> 01:01:56.079
Strangelove and then he worked on 2001 and that

01:01:56.079 --> 01:01:59.280
came out and it just blew everybody away It still

01:01:59.280 --> 01:02:01.099
blows me away. I still don't know how they do

01:02:01.099 --> 01:02:05.360
some of those shots All right. Yeah some of them

01:02:06.220 --> 01:02:08.800
Holy cow, and then and then that's disregarding

01:02:08.800 --> 01:02:11.239
what happens in the movie in the plot and everything

01:02:11.239 --> 01:02:15.380
else about it. So Yeah, but I think that's the

01:02:15.380 --> 01:02:19.059
predecessor of all modern space movies That's

01:02:19.059 --> 01:02:21.559
what I would call. Oh for sure. So, okay. So

01:02:21.559 --> 01:02:25.519
what are we saying? It's 1968 for 2001 Star Trek.

01:02:25.679 --> 01:02:28.239
Well the first Star Trek movie Star Trek of the

01:02:28.239 --> 01:02:31.900
motion picture right with with Shatner. Yes 79.

01:02:32.519 --> 01:02:37.019
Yeah was that 11 years later 11 years later.

01:02:37.239 --> 01:02:40.320
So it was actually 79? Yeah, it was well behind

01:02:40.320 --> 01:02:43.440
its time. So sci -fi technically is, you know...

01:02:43.440 --> 01:02:46.000
Yeah, there was already Star Wars by that time.

01:02:46.420 --> 01:02:50.389
Yes. Yeah. So definitely, you know what? I'm

01:02:50.389 --> 01:02:53.550
going to, based on that, maybe downgrade it.

01:02:53.550 --> 01:02:56.309
I'm going to downgrade it to that C+. Yeah, OK.

01:02:56.570 --> 01:02:58.929
And I will agree because of all those things

01:02:58.929 --> 01:03:01.789
that we just said. Right, exactly. When you take

01:03:01.789 --> 01:03:05.110
into consideration things like Star Wars and

01:03:05.110 --> 01:03:08.050
Space Odyssey and everything came before, I think

01:03:08.050 --> 01:03:11.389
you have to. And Space Odyssey is then the true

01:03:11.389 --> 01:03:14.289
founder of 100 % of what we would call all space

01:03:14.289 --> 01:03:17.690
movies. Yeah, you can't give it anything less

01:03:17.690 --> 01:03:20.090
than an S, because they're even making movies

01:03:20.090 --> 01:03:22.650
based on that movie today. Every single director

01:03:22.650 --> 01:03:26.590
agrees that that's the movie. Oh, yeah. So I

01:03:26.590 --> 01:03:29.469
also got to go with that. All right. No, I agree

01:03:29.469 --> 01:03:33.750
100 % on that one. Empire Strikes Back. My favorite

01:03:33.750 --> 01:03:36.889
of all the Star Wars movies, there are 11 or

01:03:36.889 --> 01:03:39.769
more Star Wars movies. I know because I watched

01:03:39.769 --> 01:03:41.670
them all in chronological order once they were

01:03:41.670 --> 01:03:45.159
all out. Watch all of them from episode one,

01:03:45.260 --> 01:03:49.360
two, three, Rogue One, four, five, six, seven,

01:03:49.420 --> 01:03:52.019
eight, nine, and I stopped. And I didn't put

01:03:52.019 --> 01:03:56.320
Han Solo in there. No, I have to say, and I'm

01:03:56.320 --> 01:03:58.679
gonna ask you this, this is kind of, but see,

01:03:58.820 --> 01:04:00.579
this is for people listening to the Mark Mo Show,

01:04:00.920 --> 01:04:02.840
you know I often leave the highway, I find my

01:04:02.840 --> 01:04:05.880
way back on. Rogue One, what are your thoughts?

01:04:06.599 --> 01:04:10.019
When I watched them in that sequence, I went

01:04:10.019 --> 01:04:12.039
to see Rogue One in theaters and I was like,

01:04:12.119 --> 01:04:15.539
meh. And then it had been a while, so I watched

01:04:15.539 --> 01:04:18.320
them all in that sequence. And what I came away

01:04:18.320 --> 01:04:20.500
with at the end of that, and this is probably

01:04:20.500 --> 01:04:24.460
not a popular opinion, the prequels as in one,

01:04:24.480 --> 01:04:26.960
two, three are whatever, but I think I'm done

01:04:26.960 --> 01:04:32.519
with those. For sure. The sequel sequels, seven,

01:04:32.599 --> 01:04:35.630
eight, nine, are... Garbage all of it throw it

01:04:35.630 --> 01:04:40.750
in the garbage delete it agree. That's me Four

01:04:40.750 --> 01:04:45.849
five six, of course are immaculate and a Surprise

01:04:45.849 --> 01:04:48.489
rogue one was actually pretty good. Like I was

01:04:48.489 --> 01:04:50.610
like, hey, yes, I don't know what it is about

01:04:50.610 --> 01:04:54.530
that one and It could be the director or something.

01:04:54.849 --> 01:04:57.510
I don't even know who directed rogue one But

01:04:57.510 --> 01:05:00.250
whatever they did on that one was was enough

01:05:00.400 --> 01:05:04.300
Like, I don't know. After watching all that Star

01:05:04.300 --> 01:05:06.559
Wars, I stopped caring about the plot and the

01:05:06.559 --> 01:05:08.360
characters. I was like, I'm just done with them.

01:05:08.679 --> 01:05:12.960
They just go on too long. But yeah, it's a nice

01:05:12.960 --> 01:05:17.340
little isolated story that fits in right snuggly,

01:05:17.440 --> 01:05:20.989
right up against. a new hope and sets up the

01:05:20.989 --> 01:05:23.650
opening scene and that's perfectly that's cool

01:05:23.650 --> 01:05:25.989
yeah and that's like i always felt that movie

01:05:25.989 --> 01:05:28.869
was like a slow burn and like it's building it's

01:05:28.869 --> 01:05:30.269
building it's building and then just ends up

01:05:30.269 --> 01:05:33.510
being this roman tragedy where you lose all your

01:05:33.510 --> 01:05:37.269
main characters but like you tell this Story

01:05:37.269 --> 01:05:39.429
and it's an interesting story. But as I said,

01:05:39.429 --> 01:05:41.150
it's kind of a slow burn slow burn You're just

01:05:41.150 --> 01:05:43.530
like something's coming something God. I hope

01:05:43.530 --> 01:05:45.849
there's that payoff because I feel something

01:05:45.849 --> 01:05:48.110
and of course they get they give you everything

01:05:48.110 --> 01:05:50.050
right when you need it They also give you that

01:05:50.050 --> 01:05:53.230
great Darth Vader scene at the end and there

01:05:53.230 --> 01:05:55.849
are a good amount It's grimy like Star Wars should

01:05:55.849 --> 01:05:58.289
be but there's also a good really a lot of beautiful

01:05:58.289 --> 01:06:01.170
visuals But they're not all about the beautiful

01:06:01.170 --> 01:06:04.269
visuals There are some problems with I think

01:06:04.269 --> 01:06:07.809
it was like number nine Luke Skywalker comes

01:06:07.809 --> 01:06:11.630
back, but he's actually a ghost. Yeah. And it's

01:06:11.630 --> 01:06:14.750
like beautiful shot, but it's all white. And

01:06:14.750 --> 01:06:17.329
then as they move around, it reveals red underneath

01:06:17.329 --> 01:06:19.449
their feet. And it's a perfect sunset. And I

01:06:19.449 --> 01:06:21.210
was like, this is just a little much. It's a

01:06:21.210 --> 01:06:24.550
much. As far as eye candy, it can't just be all

01:06:24.550 --> 01:06:26.989
that, right? Because it needs some substance.

01:06:27.849 --> 01:06:32.010
Right. And yeah, Rogue One had the right balance.

01:06:32.740 --> 01:06:36.559
if somehow, because it's a murky place, that

01:06:36.559 --> 01:06:38.619
Star Wars universe, because it's just a bunch

01:06:38.619 --> 01:06:42.400
of commercialism and all this. But you nailed

01:06:42.400 --> 01:06:44.539
it. Empire Strikes Back is probably the best

01:06:44.539 --> 01:06:49.179
of all of them. Number one Star Wars movie. Because,

01:06:49.219 --> 01:06:56.039
who is it? Roald Emmerich? Ronald Emmerich? He

01:06:56.039 --> 01:06:58.119
has a ton of really good sci -fi. He did Stargate,

01:06:58.199 --> 01:07:00.840
he did Independence Day. Oh yeah, right, right.

01:07:01.199 --> 01:07:04.500
Those are great, too. And there's something a

01:07:04.500 --> 01:07:06.579
little darker about that one. There's something

01:07:06.579 --> 01:07:08.480
about the fact that it's not George Lucas kind

01:07:08.480 --> 01:07:11.139
of directing. And there's a magic that comes

01:07:11.139 --> 01:07:15.840
with the original scene of Yoda. And I don't

01:07:15.840 --> 01:07:17.519
think that was Jim Henson. That was Frank Oz

01:07:17.519 --> 01:07:22.420
who kind of did all that with Yoda. And everything

01:07:22.420 --> 01:07:26.519
about that one, right? Kind of cool. I don't

01:07:26.519 --> 01:07:28.480
know. That's my favorite of all of them, and

01:07:28.480 --> 01:07:30.860
I think that's why. Oh, so what rank shall we

01:07:30.860 --> 01:07:33.179
give it? I'd give it, I wouldn't give it like

01:07:33.179 --> 01:07:38.000
a 2001 S. Okay. I would give it like a solid

01:07:38.000 --> 01:07:41.199
A. Okay. Yeah, I give it an A. I'm down with

01:07:41.199 --> 01:07:43.800
the solid A. Not even an A plus because just

01:07:43.800 --> 01:07:46.760
like, it's still Star Wars, you know. Right.

01:07:46.820 --> 01:07:48.980
So yeah, it was like everybody knows and has

01:07:48.980 --> 01:07:52.659
seen Star Wars mostly. Oh yeah, for sure. Next

01:07:52.659 --> 01:07:56.949
movie, E .T. I watched it a ton when I was growing

01:07:56.949 --> 01:08:00.710
up. I just saw it again. I think I got to see

01:08:00.710 --> 01:08:03.150
it at the drive -in. Oh, that's awesome. It was

01:08:03.150 --> 01:08:06.110
at the drive -in. I love it. Yeah. Very cool.

01:08:06.210 --> 01:08:08.190
It was great to see it in theater or at the drive

01:08:08.190 --> 01:08:12.190
-in. Something weird about that one. There's

01:08:12.190 --> 01:08:16.649
something a little not replicated in any other

01:08:16.649 --> 01:08:19.710
Spielberg movies. And I don't know when that

01:08:19.710 --> 01:08:26.539
was made, 88. 87 and I felt like he wasn't quite

01:08:26.539 --> 01:08:29.899
Steven Spielberg quite yet. He was still kind

01:08:29.899 --> 01:08:33.579
of a little grimy little edgy little You know

01:08:33.579 --> 01:08:37.380
renegade. Yeah, it's really renegade Kind of

01:08:37.380 --> 01:08:40.279
like moments in that this is one really interesting

01:08:40.279 --> 01:08:44.039
scene. I really Like noticed it when when I saw

01:08:44.039 --> 01:08:47.100
it at the drive -in most recently There they

01:08:47.100 --> 01:08:50.079
got ET in their bedroom. We don't see what they're

01:08:50.079 --> 01:08:54.069
doing there we see the hallway and they're like

01:08:54.069 --> 01:08:56.670
pulling a cable or whatever and the cable kind

01:08:56.670 --> 01:09:02.229
of pulls this chair up against the wall. I was

01:09:02.229 --> 01:09:05.670
like, why is that scene in there? And I was like,

01:09:05.689 --> 01:09:08.569
what is that scene? It does create a feeling

01:09:08.569 --> 01:09:12.729
for me and it's a little ominous. 1982. 1982

01:09:12.729 --> 01:09:18.050
for ET. Oh, okay. So I mean, but it's still,

01:09:18.090 --> 01:09:22.689
it's gotta be. There are sci -fi and space movies

01:09:22.689 --> 01:09:24.649
that I kind of enjoy a little more for whatever

01:09:24.649 --> 01:09:27.529
reason. You know what it is? I noticed it at

01:09:27.529 --> 01:09:28.949
the drive -in. Seeing things in theaters, you

01:09:28.949 --> 01:09:31.590
kind of see what they really are, not on your

01:09:31.590 --> 01:09:33.949
TV. Right? It's like a true experience. And what

01:09:33.949 --> 01:09:37.750
it is, is I think Elliot and probably a couple

01:09:37.750 --> 01:09:41.140
other... sound effects in that movie limit the

01:09:41.140 --> 01:09:44.340
microphones. And he has this voice, Elliot does,

01:09:44.420 --> 01:09:46.560
and he's kind of screaming and yelling the whole

01:09:46.560 --> 01:09:48.619
movie, especially at the end. There's something

01:09:48.619 --> 01:09:51.680
about the sound of that that just kind of gets

01:09:51.680 --> 01:09:55.039
into my ears. I'm like, I don't enjoy it. No,

01:09:55.039 --> 01:09:58.279
I understand that. Yeah, so that kind of drops

01:09:58.279 --> 01:10:01.720
it down for me a little bit in my overall enjoyment.

01:10:01.899 --> 01:10:03.859
But that's one that you got to keep coming back

01:10:03.859 --> 01:10:06.760
to. And it's such a classic, especially 1982.

01:10:06.760 --> 01:10:09.529
It's stuck around all these years. It has, yeah.

01:10:09.770 --> 01:10:14.590
I mean, A. It can't be lower than Empire Strikes

01:10:14.590 --> 01:10:16.529
Back, I think. Or maybe it can be. I don't know.

01:10:16.649 --> 01:10:21.989
A minus? I was ready to go B plus. And my take

01:10:21.989 --> 01:10:25.710
on that is a bit comical. And that is I saw it

01:10:25.710 --> 01:10:30.590
as a kid. and loved it, right? I mean, he's this

01:10:30.590 --> 01:10:34.010
alien that isn't scary. He isn't this big thing

01:10:34.010 --> 01:10:37.350
that's gonna eat you or kill you. It looks like

01:10:37.350 --> 01:10:39.310
a turtle out of a shell. That's what he looks

01:10:39.310 --> 01:10:43.869
like. And so he's just kind of clumsy and whatever.

01:10:44.050 --> 01:10:45.869
And it's just like the film has a lot of heart.

01:10:46.090 --> 01:10:48.630
So there's a lot of good things about it. And

01:10:48.630 --> 01:10:53.029
then for the Atari 2600, this game ET comes out.

01:10:53.130 --> 01:10:55.510
I think I played it maybe once or twice. It is

01:10:55.510 --> 01:10:58.329
one of the worst video games in the history of

01:10:58.329 --> 01:11:00.609
video games because you get to the scene where

01:11:00.609 --> 01:11:04.170
he falls down this hole and you can't get out.

01:11:04.250 --> 01:11:06.449
That's hilarious. Like the game's over. Like

01:11:06.449 --> 01:11:09.470
you rage quit. Like rage quitting video games.

01:11:09.470 --> 01:11:11.470
Is that a flaw in the game? Can anybody beat

01:11:11.470 --> 01:11:16.770
that game? I don't know. All I know is like,

01:11:17.189 --> 01:11:20.180
rage quitting is like... current terminology,

01:11:20.199 --> 01:11:23.760
but I think it began with that game. And that

01:11:23.760 --> 01:11:26.760
makes you not like the movie as much? I downgraded

01:11:26.760 --> 01:11:28.800
that a little bit, honestly. I guess it's as

01:11:28.800 --> 01:11:31.579
bad as me not liking the way his voice limits

01:11:31.579 --> 01:11:34.560
the microphone sounds. We're getting nitpicky.

01:11:35.060 --> 01:11:39.140
We are. But I would downgrade it to a B+. I feel

01:11:39.140 --> 01:11:42.500
guilt with that because it's a classic. It's

01:11:42.500 --> 01:11:45.439
a classic. So you want to A minus that? Yeah.

01:11:45.539 --> 01:11:48.819
I mean, we're talking 1 % here. OK. OK. All right,

01:11:48.819 --> 01:11:52.439
we'll do it. This is a bit of a comedy, too,

01:11:52.439 --> 01:11:56.359
but it's sci -fi. Paul. That was like so surprisingly

01:11:56.359 --> 01:11:59.939
good. Right? There's been so many like, I don't

01:11:59.939 --> 01:12:02.220
know, throwaway movies that there's just like

01:12:02.220 --> 01:12:05.090
a bunch of junk. But Paul wasn't that. And it

01:12:05.090 --> 01:12:07.890
has all these great little sci -fi callbacks.

01:12:08.109 --> 01:12:09.930
Tons of them. Tons of them. And then Sigourney

01:12:09.930 --> 01:12:15.569
Weaver shows up. Right. And the idea of the,

01:12:15.569 --> 01:12:17.789
I don't know what you would call this. What's

01:12:17.789 --> 01:12:21.369
his name? Seth? Seth Rogen. Seth Rogen. Seth

01:12:21.369 --> 01:12:26.710
Rogen kind of like weed smoking alien. But there's

01:12:26.710 --> 01:12:28.529
a reason for that because he's been on Earth

01:12:28.529 --> 01:12:31.829
since the 50s. Kind of cool. I mean, at least

01:12:31.829 --> 01:12:35.810
it was. A play on all the great sci -fi traditions,

01:12:36.750 --> 01:12:38.810
but something at least a little different and

01:12:38.810 --> 01:12:43.149
fresh. Yeah, for sure. But not essential to any

01:12:43.149 --> 01:12:47.810
sci -fi collection, but a good addition. Yeah,

01:12:47.989 --> 01:12:49.670
surprise, a little bit of surprise. It's a fun

01:12:49.670 --> 01:12:51.670
watch. I like how good it is. Yeah. And I've

01:12:51.670 --> 01:12:54.029
come back to it because of that. And I just love

01:12:54.029 --> 01:12:56.899
that. that repeated line that they keep coming

01:12:56.899 --> 01:13:01.039
to. They're like three tits. Nice. Nice. And

01:13:01.039 --> 01:13:04.500
it reminds me of Total Recall. Right. Exactly.

01:13:04.960 --> 01:13:11.319
So good. But being what it is and not essential,

01:13:11.560 --> 01:13:15.380
I'll give that one like a B. I'm down with that

01:13:15.380 --> 01:13:17.819
because I really enjoyed that as well. We got

01:13:17.819 --> 01:13:22.020
a few more here to go. Iron Man. With Robert

01:13:22.020 --> 01:13:25.939
Downey Jr. No not into the Marvel movies. There

01:13:25.939 --> 01:13:29.420
are too many of them. Yeah I was for a while

01:13:29.420 --> 01:13:32.140
and certain ones. I watched all the X -Men's.

01:13:32.220 --> 01:13:33.899
Okay, I really like the X -Men because they're

01:13:33.899 --> 01:13:36.899
all so diverse in their powers. Yes I watched

01:13:36.899 --> 01:13:39.680
those original spider -man's Okay, and I think

01:13:39.680 --> 01:13:41.220
I've seen most of the spider -man and I like

01:13:41.220 --> 01:13:43.539
spider -man. Yeah, but what are we talking about

01:13:43.539 --> 01:13:48.760
Iron Man? I went forever and never saw it and

01:13:48.760 --> 01:13:51.079
yeah How many Ironmans are there? Two or three?

01:13:51.399 --> 01:13:54.100
Three, yeah. Three? Yeah, I didn't see any of

01:13:54.100 --> 01:13:57.460
that. People are going to like be raging on this

01:13:57.460 --> 01:14:00.100
podcast because I just went to, because all the

01:14:00.100 --> 01:14:02.739
friends were going to see it. I just acquiesced

01:14:02.739 --> 01:14:05.399
and went and saw, I just jumped right into Avengers

01:14:05.399 --> 01:14:08.300
Endgame. Oh, did you? Didn't watch anything before

01:14:08.300 --> 01:14:11.680
that. Wow. And there was another one, right?

01:14:12.000 --> 01:14:17.750
Endgame and... Infinity Wars was before that.

01:14:18.149 --> 01:14:20.970
Oh, okay, so I saw those two. I jumped into Infinity

01:14:20.970 --> 01:14:25.670
Wars and then I returned for... What is it? Endgame.

01:14:27.210 --> 01:14:29.829
So, yeah, I came back to those and then like

01:14:29.829 --> 01:14:33.010
was introduced to Downey Jr. and Iron Man and

01:14:33.010 --> 01:14:35.130
I did go back and I watched that original Iron

01:14:35.130 --> 01:14:36.890
Man, but I never made it to the end. Well, then

01:14:36.890 --> 01:14:39.329
I'll tell you what, grade it as you grade his

01:14:39.329 --> 01:14:42.250
performance maybe in those two movies. Oh, yeah.

01:14:42.729 --> 01:14:44.810
Let's do it. I went back and I watched the original

01:14:44.810 --> 01:14:49.590
Iron Man. I didn't make it to the end. But Donnie

01:14:49.590 --> 01:14:53.289
Jr. is good in everything. And I think he did

01:14:53.289 --> 01:14:56.529
something good for that character who was pretty

01:14:56.529 --> 01:14:59.529
dull by that point. Like not a lot of people

01:14:59.529 --> 01:15:02.090
were saying anything about Iron Man. I remember

01:15:02.090 --> 01:15:04.670
Iron Man when I was a kid. He was just really

01:15:04.670 --> 01:15:08.250
very much a side Marvel character. Right. That's

01:15:08.250 --> 01:15:12.220
how I remember him. Oh, yeah. So he resurrected

01:15:12.220 --> 01:15:14.640
it and made it cool and hip and everybody has

01:15:14.640 --> 01:15:17.579
loved those movies and of all the Marvel movies

01:15:17.579 --> 01:15:20.699
people keep talking about Iron Man. Yeah, so

01:15:20.699 --> 01:15:26.600
with that being the case a Be Okay, I'll give

01:15:26.600 --> 01:15:28.720
that to you. I would have been in that neighborhood.

01:15:28.720 --> 01:15:31.640
Yeah for sure. I could even go be minus on that

01:15:31.640 --> 01:15:35.380
one Yeah, what do you think? What would you say?

01:15:35.420 --> 01:15:39.020
I think B is good. I think that's good. I got

01:15:39.020 --> 01:15:47.180
two left here interstellar An a -plus I want

01:15:47.180 --> 01:15:49.899
to just say off the bat may is do you think it's

01:15:49.899 --> 01:15:53.520
an S? No, I think that's fair because as you

01:15:53.520 --> 01:15:56.520
have to be like, okay, it's as good as Space

01:15:56.520 --> 01:15:59.520
Odyssey Yeah, or you know, I mean it's there's

01:15:59.520 --> 01:16:01.539
there's ways to get there that you don't have

01:16:01.539 --> 01:16:04.840
to be as like, you know, sometimes You can't

01:16:04.840 --> 01:16:07.579
compare apples to oranges in a way And sometimes

01:16:07.579 --> 01:16:09.779
you can just be an S for a different reason,

01:16:09.920 --> 01:16:12.300
but I don't think it's quite there And I don't

01:16:12.300 --> 01:16:14.880
even know that it's my favorite Christopher Nolan

01:16:14.880 --> 01:16:18.359
movie, but it is a great. Yeah sci -fi movie.

01:16:18.399 --> 01:16:23.619
I saw that in theaters and uh midnight it was

01:16:23.619 --> 01:16:26.979
like a midnight showing at imax nobody else there

01:16:26.979 --> 01:16:31.039
one person in the theater it was me and uh there's

01:16:31.039 --> 01:16:33.220
something cool about that right in the center

01:16:33.220 --> 01:16:36.560
and i had these i don't know what kind of sound

01:16:36.560 --> 01:16:39.619
they have for imax but it blows you away i remember

01:16:39.619 --> 01:16:43.300
being blown away by that movie and um there's

01:16:43.300 --> 01:16:47.819
one scene that just does that for me in that

01:16:47.819 --> 01:16:54.739
um that movie and it is a small a small moment

01:16:54.739 --> 01:16:58.000
they they're in like hyper sleep or I believe

01:16:58.000 --> 01:17:00.039
and they wake up because they're about to go

01:17:00.039 --> 01:17:03.380
into the portal yeah and they're floating past

01:17:03.380 --> 01:17:07.699
Saturn and you see Saturn in all its beauty and

01:17:07.699 --> 01:17:11.300
glory and hugeness and you see this little light

01:17:11.300 --> 01:17:14.199
reflection of a speck and that's the whole spaceship

01:17:14.199 --> 01:17:17.539
yeah and I'm just like that is and there's silent

01:17:17.539 --> 01:17:21.000
I think it's for that It's just the vastness

01:17:21.000 --> 01:17:23.659
and bigness of space. And I think about that

01:17:23.659 --> 01:17:27.140
when I'm painting. I was like, yeah, all you

01:17:27.140 --> 01:17:30.579
need is a little white speck to imply a giant

01:17:30.579 --> 01:17:33.699
spaceship, but it's dwarfed by something even

01:17:33.699 --> 01:17:37.560
bigger. So I really like the idea of expressing

01:17:37.560 --> 01:17:40.609
hugeness. Guess in a way or like, you know, really

01:17:40.609 --> 01:17:43.750
that playing with scale and size. Yes, and that's

01:17:43.750 --> 01:17:46.390
cool Yeah, so I love that and then the rest of

01:17:46.390 --> 01:17:50.170
the the movie is so good and I love the opening.

01:17:50.449 --> 01:17:54.649
Yeah, and I have a criticism though of Nolan

01:17:54.649 --> 01:17:58.069
Okay, you go back to his movies and I think interstellar

01:17:58.069 --> 01:18:01.069
is on this you go back and the more times you

01:18:01.069 --> 01:18:04.289
watch them The more you kind of start to see

01:18:04.289 --> 01:18:07.930
their imperfections. There's some parts Maybe

01:18:07.930 --> 01:18:11.810
in the acting maybe in the plot in Interstellar

01:18:11.810 --> 01:18:13.970
that like don't seem to add up They're more of

01:18:13.970 --> 01:18:16.130
a feel that feel really good on the first time

01:18:16.130 --> 01:18:19.909
and then upon a closer examination tend to be

01:18:19.909 --> 01:18:25.329
like more like But you know, that's I'm not I'm

01:18:25.329 --> 01:18:26.970
not even being very detailed with that I'd have

01:18:26.970 --> 01:18:29.850
to like rewatch a scene and kind of maybe pick

01:18:29.850 --> 01:18:32.850
up pick it apart a little bit. Yeah, but Still

01:18:32.850 --> 01:18:37.069
even that's a a plus a plus no doubt. Yeah Yeah,

01:18:37.189 --> 01:18:40.710
for sure. And as far as like, I love Matthew

01:18:40.710 --> 01:18:42.909
McConaughey. That's probably one of his best

01:18:42.909 --> 01:18:45.890
movies, I would say. Easily. And he had a bunch

01:18:45.890 --> 01:18:48.050
of really good ones before that, but he just

01:18:48.050 --> 01:18:50.949
was a great character in that one. Oh, he was.

01:18:51.250 --> 01:18:55.130
He definitely was. Last one, Sigourney Weaver,

01:18:55.449 --> 01:19:02.170
Alien. The first one? Mm -hmm. Now that's one

01:19:02.170 --> 01:19:04.630
that I would I would be tempted to give like

01:19:04.630 --> 01:19:08.289
an ass to Mm -hmm because of whatever because

01:19:08.289 --> 01:19:12.670
of all many many things For one love course aliens

01:19:12.670 --> 01:19:16.630
to and what it inspired The director who made

01:19:16.630 --> 01:19:18.369
it and all the great movies that he's made because

01:19:18.369 --> 01:19:22.569
I love Ridley Scott I'd like everything that

01:19:22.569 --> 01:19:27.760
he does almost And when you look at it and you

01:19:27.760 --> 01:19:30.479
go back to that movie that has been around since

01:19:30.479 --> 01:19:34.600
1978 or 1979, and you look at for what it was,

01:19:34.640 --> 01:19:36.420
it was unique for its time because it was like

01:19:36.420 --> 01:19:39.739
a horror film in sci -fi. That was its thing

01:19:39.739 --> 01:19:42.199
back then. But you look at these opening scenes,

01:19:42.279 --> 01:19:43.960
for one, I don't know who made the music for

01:19:43.960 --> 01:19:47.699
that, but those flutes. and how it opens very,

01:19:47.979 --> 01:19:49.859
you know, I just love the opening and they still

01:19:49.859 --> 01:19:52.039
use that opening in a lot of the alien movies

01:19:52.039 --> 01:19:55.000
today. They do. The flutes and like the computers

01:19:55.000 --> 01:19:58.439
firing up and you're just kind of in this world

01:19:58.439 --> 01:20:03.159
and the world is dirty and it's not high tech,

01:20:03.340 --> 01:20:06.420
like they're in space and stuff but like... It's

01:20:06.420 --> 01:20:09.619
you know their spaceship is always crashing and

01:20:09.619 --> 01:20:12.060
stuff and they're always fixing it And it's nothing

01:20:12.060 --> 01:20:14.579
is very made very well, and they're all just

01:20:14.579 --> 01:20:17.960
miners. I believe they're just workers for the

01:20:17.960 --> 01:20:20.640
company Yeah, you know the whole idea of that

01:20:20.640 --> 01:20:25.359
the plot and then like out the Prometheus and

01:20:25.359 --> 01:20:28.479
things like years later and coming back to it

01:20:28.479 --> 01:20:31.140
and like When you go back to that original movie

01:20:31.140 --> 01:20:34.539
all of that infrastructure for that Stuff is

01:20:34.539 --> 01:20:37.739
there Wayland is there. It's like the the idea

01:20:37.739 --> 01:20:41.640
of the cyborg robots are there the mission of

01:20:41.640 --> 01:20:45.239
what the company wants and how the People the

01:20:45.239 --> 01:20:47.520
characters are unaware of the evil plot of the

01:20:47.520 --> 01:20:50.239
company You never see in the movie and you never

01:20:50.239 --> 01:20:52.899
see in any of the movies. It just keeps it rolling

01:20:52.899 --> 01:20:58.640
All such cool concepts not even to say HR Geiger

01:20:58.640 --> 01:21:02.850
who makes the best alien xenomorph that you can

01:21:02.850 --> 01:21:05.909
imagine, just his whole thing, and his artistry

01:21:05.909 --> 01:21:09.729
to that. And then, I'm not exactly sure, they're

01:21:09.729 --> 01:21:11.949
going into the alien spaceship, and you can look

01:21:11.949 --> 01:21:14.689
at some of the practical effects. I think they're

01:21:14.689 --> 01:21:19.170
just barrels and gutter tubing. Yeah, OK. For

01:21:19.170 --> 01:21:22.569
all the very intricate alien structures that

01:21:22.569 --> 01:21:26.170
are inside there, it's a lot of really household

01:21:26.170 --> 01:21:30.500
stuff. and very like practical effects and like

01:21:30.500 --> 01:21:34.539
and they looked really good for 1978 the the

01:21:34.539 --> 01:21:36.840
spider thing that comes out of the egg and the

01:21:36.840 --> 01:21:40.020
goo and like man they're they're a level and

01:21:40.020 --> 01:21:44.260
attention to detail so cool and then uh Ripley

01:21:44.260 --> 01:21:46.600
is not even really the main character for most

01:21:46.600 --> 01:21:49.359
of the movie and but yet she's the surprise survivor

01:21:49.359 --> 01:21:51.619
and becomes really i would call her one of the

01:21:51.619 --> 01:21:55.979
greatest heroines in movies is is Ripley and

01:21:55.979 --> 01:22:00.920
Sigourney Lever. Absolutely. Nailed it and kind

01:22:00.920 --> 01:22:04.020
of strong, but yeah, it's like kind of like not

01:22:04.020 --> 01:22:07.220
like sexy in a way, but in like the non, not

01:22:07.220 --> 01:22:10.279
like a Marilyn Monroe kind of traditional way.

01:22:11.180 --> 01:22:14.239
Which makes it even like even more like just

01:22:14.239 --> 01:22:17.800
cool. It's so cool. Yeah, she takes on the alien

01:22:17.800 --> 01:22:22.460
and And just the concept of the organism, of

01:22:22.460 --> 01:22:25.239
how it's the perfect organism. And the scientist

01:22:25.239 --> 01:22:29.199
wants to study it and all this. Way cool. I'm

01:22:29.199 --> 01:22:31.960
giving that one an S. It's S tier, for sure.

01:22:32.880 --> 01:22:35.899
Alien's a great flick. Yeah. I love it. Not everybody

01:22:35.899 --> 01:22:40.899
loves it. No. No. And that was a surprise to

01:22:40.899 --> 01:22:45.520
me. I have some friends and we talk about movies

01:22:45.520 --> 01:22:47.399
quite a lot and I realized that none of them

01:22:47.399 --> 01:22:52.300
had seen Alien or Alien 2, Aliens. So I exposed

01:22:52.300 --> 01:22:54.800
them to Aliens, which is a little bit more just

01:22:54.800 --> 01:22:57.579
straight to the point, a little less arts, artistic,

01:22:57.760 --> 01:23:01.880
more action flick. They said it was boring. I

01:23:01.880 --> 01:23:04.779
was like, what? This is like the most non -boring

01:23:04.779 --> 01:23:08.260
movie. I know, right? What more could you want?

01:23:08.479 --> 01:23:11.220
And aliens. There's a million aliens. There's

01:23:11.220 --> 01:23:15.779
Marines and Hicks. Right. All of it. And what's

01:23:15.779 --> 01:23:18.159
his name? Who's the guy you love to hate in that

01:23:18.159 --> 01:23:23.840
movie? Paul Reiner. But what's his name in the

01:23:23.840 --> 01:23:28.960
movie? He's got the perfect character name. It

01:23:28.960 --> 01:23:33.560
is escaping me. That's why. Oh, I got it. I don't

01:23:33.560 --> 01:23:35.579
know. I can see Sigourney Weaver grabbing him

01:23:35.579 --> 01:23:41.960
by the Marty McFly vest. I don't know what his

01:23:41.960 --> 01:23:45.119
name is in that movie. But yeah, he is a great

01:23:45.119 --> 01:23:49.199
dweeby villain in a way. He's worse than the

01:23:49.199 --> 01:23:52.340
aliens, right? I would agree. I would definitely

01:23:52.340 --> 01:23:54.260
agree. So both are cool. And I really love. That's

01:23:54.260 --> 01:23:57.210
one of the franchises that has remained. Pretty

01:23:57.210 --> 01:24:00.090
good. And I have not watched the most recent

01:24:00.090 --> 01:24:02.529
television series that they've started. Right.

01:24:02.550 --> 01:24:04.869
Got to say, not a big fan of television series.

01:24:05.069 --> 01:24:06.590
And once you start making a million episodes

01:24:06.590 --> 01:24:08.409
and you have to explain everything, you got to

01:24:08.409 --> 01:24:11.149
go on, you got to fill episodes. Right. I just

01:24:11.149 --> 01:24:12.989
feel like, for one, I lose attention. It goes

01:24:12.989 --> 01:24:14.770
on too long, which is the opposite for a lot

01:24:14.770 --> 01:24:17.350
of people these days. Like they say they like

01:24:17.350 --> 01:24:19.250
shows because they're shorter, but I say they're

01:24:19.250 --> 01:24:22.069
long. There's like seasons and seasons. So I

01:24:22.069 --> 01:24:25.149
don't know about this new show, but it's Alien,

01:24:25.189 --> 01:24:27.529
so I will go and check it out and at least give

01:24:27.529 --> 01:24:31.529
it a good try. But almost all the Alien movies

01:24:31.529 --> 01:24:34.130
that I can think of, minus Alien versus Predator,

01:24:34.229 --> 01:24:36.489
I'm going to set those ones aside, have been

01:24:36.489 --> 01:24:39.329
pretty solid in one way or another. I even like

01:24:39.329 --> 01:24:42.430
Alien Resurrection. Do you? Yeah, I do. I think

01:24:42.430 --> 01:24:46.010
it's fun. It's cool enough. It's its own thing.

01:24:46.170 --> 01:24:48.689
And so is Alien 3. It's its own thing, but doesn't

01:24:48.689 --> 01:24:51.449
ruin anything. And then Ridley Scott returning

01:24:51.449 --> 01:24:54.909
for these last three, which have been Prometheus

01:24:54.909 --> 01:25:00.710
and Covenant and what was Romulus. So good. So

01:25:00.710 --> 01:25:05.750
good. Well, there you have it. Anyway, that wraps

01:25:05.750 --> 01:25:09.970
up our movie talk and our time with Sergio Giovolani.

01:25:10.109 --> 01:25:13.869
But I want to thank you so much for coming on

01:25:13.869 --> 01:25:16.810
the show here. Yeah, thanks for having me, Mark.

01:25:17.090 --> 01:25:20.109
Spireside Chats, Mark Mo Show. And if you want

01:25:20.109 --> 01:25:22.029
to give a quick plug, I know you got an upcoming

01:25:22.029 --> 01:25:25.449
gig. Yeah, playing with the Bridge William Band

01:25:25.449 --> 01:25:29.390
at Austin Community Tavern, September 12. I'm

01:25:29.390 --> 01:25:33.699
playing at Granger's in Hobart. Coming up on

01:25:33.699 --> 01:25:39.039
September 7th. OK. And if you're out in the Michigan

01:25:39.039 --> 01:25:41.180
City area, there's a place called the Summer

01:25:41.180 --> 01:25:43.359
Dunes Theater. And I'm pretty sure I'm going

01:25:43.359 --> 01:25:46.220
to hang up some recent paintings and artworks

01:25:46.220 --> 01:25:49.039
over there. Oh. Just for a little event that

01:25:49.039 --> 01:25:50.960
they're doing over the weekend. Fantastic. And

01:25:50.960 --> 01:25:53.319
I will not be the only artist featured, so there'll

01:25:53.319 --> 01:25:57.119
be quite a few others. And I forget exactly what

01:25:57.119 --> 01:25:58.619
the event is at the theater, but there'll be

01:25:58.619 --> 01:26:00.960
something happening in the music department as

01:26:00.960 --> 01:26:04.189
well. Outstanding. Yeah. Well, once again, thank

01:26:04.189 --> 01:26:06.289
you. And I want to thank all of you for listening

01:26:06.289 --> 01:26:10.310
this week. Make sure you give us a like and a

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subscribe and all that kind of good stuff. And

01:26:12.590 --> 01:26:15.170
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01:26:15.310 --> 01:26:15.449
everybody.