00:00:06:00 - 00:00:29:38 Unknown I mean. Hey, welcome back to Toke it Out. How are you guys? My name is Maddy Tokes and this is again talk. It out. What are you guys toking on today? I am still toking on you guys. Listen to last week. If you guys didn't, then you don't know I still. I'm talking on the geek bar. Capricorn I'm not a Capricorn. 00:00:29:38 - 00:00:56:16 Unknown I'm a Libra. But I'm talking on the Capricorn Little Mix geek bar. Why? Because I am. Because it's very tasty, honestly. But what are we talking about today? Hahaha! Get it? That's why it's called talk it out. Duh is the dark side of Disney. So Disney adults, cover your ears or keep them open if you want to know the truth. 00:00:56:16 - 00:01:23:09 Unknown No, I'm just joking. This is just like, you know, Disney is such a big, powerful corporation that obviously there are conspiracy rumors and a quote unquote dark side of Disney. So Disney execs, if you're listening to this, not saying any of this stuff is true. I'm just saying these are the fun things out on the internet about Disney and the dark underbelly of the mouse, whatever that means. 00:01:23:16 - 00:01:57:04 Unknown So start off. Why does Disney have so many conspiracies like I just said, because they're a giant, powerful corporation. Not only that, but they have a maybe got like a lock down on their copyrights and stuff. They are they have a club 33, which is a very exclusive. And some might describe mysterious club. Just saying. But also Disney has secret tunnels which have been described as an entire city underground under Disney World. 00:01:57:09 - 00:02:26:46 Unknown It's actually under Magic Kingdom, and in reality, it's tunnels and corridors that are used for cast members, costume changes, trash removal, and emergencies. Some people think that down there happens dark experiments. There are cry rooms and secret dungeons. In reality, there again, just practical tunnels. But it is still very creepy that there are entire corridors and tunnels under Magic Kingdom, because it seems like they should just be ground, right? 00:02:26:51 - 00:02:49:21 Unknown It's kind of it's kind of giving stranger things like under the mall, there's like the whole Russian lab. It kind of feels like that. So I understand why people are like that. Spooky. That's pretty spooky. Old animatronics are stored down there, though, and rumors of cast members hearing voices and footsteps have been floated out there by a former cast members. 00:02:49:26 - 00:03:31:34 Unknown But to have long, silent hallways down there under Disney World, under the happiest Place on Earth, I don't know, I don't know. That's pretty scary. Now, Disney is also known for their haunted attractions, quote unquote, the number one being The Haunted Mansion. Obviously, some people think it's cool to spread ashes at the Haunted Mansion and on the ride, which let me go ahead and tell you right now, please do not be spreading ashes anywhere at Disney World or Disneyland, because when you do, they have to shut down the entire ride and bring in a hazmat team to clean them up so those ashes won't even be there. 00:03:31:39 - 00:03:50:04 Unknown Let me tell you. And Disney keeps things so clean. Those ashes are not going to be there for a while anyways babe. So like very nice of you. Bring a picture to hold of your loved one on the ride and it's like you guys are riding together. Bring the ashes with you, keep it in your pocket. Don't don't put those. 00:03:50:04 - 00:04:14:11 Unknown Don't maybe don't bring them. Maybe don't bring them. I'm just saying. Yeah. Guests illegally scatter ashes of loved ones. Some people believe that this leads to real hauntings. Does it probably. Are you fucking kidding me? And honestly, I hate to, like, rip this Band-Aid off. So if you don't want to hear something about your cremated loved one, skip ahead 30s but your cremated loved one. 00:04:14:11 - 00:04:38:24 Unknown The ashes that you have are likely the cremated ashes of your loved one and other people. Just so you know, it's not just your loved one. So. So that means that there's tons of people being there's like you're you're spreading Uncle Larry and somebody else's Aunt Jill and somebody else's grandma and somebody else's dog, not dog, because that's not true. 00:04:38:29 - 00:05:03:03 Unknown But like, you know, and somebody else's ashes, that's you're you're forcing these people to haunt the haunted mansion. And what if they were scared? Right? Look what you just did. That is so rude. So don't do that. Don't scatter ashes. Cast members have reported cold spots, voices and weird tech malfunctions on the Haunted Mansion as well, which adds to the spooky news like that. 00:05:03:03 - 00:05:30:12 Unknown And studio spooky ness. Okay, whatever. It's a small world. The paws doll theory there has been apparently reported the dolls and the animatronics will go off by themselves in It's a Small World and some animatronics will blink, which is so spooky. And It's a Small World is spooky when it's on. Hey, when it's honestly in videos of it, it's spooky as fuck. 00:05:30:12 - 00:05:55:37 Unknown Have you seen the guy? This is spooky in a whole other way. Using the guy that and he's clearly on drugs or having like an episode or something. So like no, he to this man, but he gets butt naked on the ride and they have to stop the ride and he's just climbing on. It's a small world that happened months and months ago, so it's certainly an old video, but I do think about it sometimes, and I think that's wild. 00:05:55:42 - 00:06:21:12 Unknown Why would you do that? It's a small world, like the creepiest ride. You were clearly tripping. Tripping out, dude. So crazy. But obviously the dolls that are moving are probably old wiring. That's the reality of. And truly, there's a hanging doll photo that circulated online. What's that? Okay, I don't see anything online. I don't see the doll. If it was there, it's. 00:06:21:18 - 00:06:54:33 Unknown What is this? Oh, there was a. In 1999, a family visited Disneyland. We happily rode the Small World ride. I was 12 at the time and my sister was six. We loved each and every moment, and our parents smiled with nostalgia at one time. Near the end, the lights suddenly shut off and the rear light illuminated the ceiling, the moving display parts shut off and the crew members, wearing red overalls, walked along to help passengers in the boats onto the stage as to directly out of the building via the emergency exits, a voice came on the loudspeakers. 00:06:54:37 - 00:07:18:25 Unknown Disneyland thanks you for your visit. Please evacuate the attraction in an orderly fashion. Please keep looking forward and follow the directions of the staff. Thank you. The staff wouldn't tell us much as we quickly were ushered out of the building. Ambulances were outside and the police cars were parked in the main walkway. At the time, my mother still had a camera out and snapped a few photos of the crewmen and close ups of the mechanical children. 00:07:18:30 - 00:07:48:23 Unknown She snapped a few last minute photos of whatever to use up the last of the rolls of film since we were going to develop them that afternoon anyways. And the last photo on the rail aimed at the ceiling of the attraction. And it's this doll that's like hanging from the ceiling. I mean, it's definitely spooky. It doesn't look like a real person though, like so I'm not sure that's why you're being ushered out or if they just like, couldn't see that it wasn't a real person, they just called the authorities ASAP. 00:07:48:32 - 00:08:12:36 Unknown But if that's a real person, I'm very surprised. Just F.Y.I. So. But it is very creepy. It's very creepy. Next, we're moving on to the Pirates of the Caribbean. Real human bones were originally used in the movie or the ride. Skeletons were once medical cadavers. Ooh, some claim a few. What were they, really? I don't think so. You guys are weird. 00:08:12:37 - 00:08:31:33 Unknown No, there's no way. And if it is real, what some say, few remain. When it first came out, they were medical cadaver skeletons. Did somebody, like buying the wrong skeletons? And they were like, yeah, these are like, so great. They look so authentic because they were that spooky. Somebody tap in and let me know because I'm. I can't look this up, you guys. 00:08:31:42 - 00:08:47:43 Unknown I can't do it. But on the ride, there's rumored to be a ghost named George who must be greeted. Or the ride breaks. Do you think the cast members are like, well, I'm going to test this and the ride breaks and they're like, would you do you not think, George, you're not at home? What's up? Are you for real? 00:08:47:43 - 00:09:08:06 Unknown You do dap up, George, before you went on the ride. Oh, course you did. I'd be crazy. I think my life just moved when I did that. That's crazy. On Space Mountain, people say they see a man shadow figure out on the tracks, which some believe it's a former guest who died on the ride. Which is true on Space Mountain. 00:09:08:06 - 00:09:34:53 Unknown It looks like. Oh, excuse me, Thunder Mountain. I guess this is Thunder Mountain. So Space Mountain, maybe not. So on Thunder Mountain in 2003, a guy did die, but Space Mountain, I don't know. Either way. Nothing says childhood like an accidental haunting stupid. Now, the dark history of Disney animation and the movie's hidden messages are sometimes rumored to have been put into the the teaser. 00:09:34:53 - 00:10:03:36 Unknown Into the animation. Apparently, the word sex is in the Lion King dust cloud. Animators says it spells f x f. Nope, s f x like special effects. But let's be honest, did it? I don't know. I never noticed that as a kid, so I don't know. And The Little Mermaid the VHS cover has an inappropriate castle shape. It's a phallic type castle shape in The Little Mermaid. 00:10:03:45 - 00:10:26:15 Unknown I feel like I have looked that up before on the internet, but I'm not sure if I've really seen it or not. Feels like all those things. Kind of weird phallic shape. Maybe. Maybe I just had phallic on the brain. Whatever. When there's a Jessica Rabbit wardrobe malfunction rumor. No, no, I'm pretty sure that's not real. And a lot of it is blamed on, like, rogue animators and whatever. 00:10:26:21 - 00:10:58:01 Unknown I'm like, good for good for the animators. Like, stick it to Disney a little bit, stick to the big corpse. There's a rumor out there that the movie The Black Cauldron, 1985, the Black Cauldron animated was almost rated R because they had to cut scenes because the cauldron borne zombie soldiers were too terrifying. Which as a child. Yeah, but I'm not sure we're doing our ratings for The Black Cauldron then, because if you know what the Black Cauldron is, it's really. 00:10:58:01 - 00:11:31:57 Unknown It's actually very cute. Let's see. It came in the land of pride. Aim. A lowly pig herder, Torin dreams of becoming a valiant knight. Young Targaryen and Turan, whatever receives his heroic calling. When an evil Horned King kidnaps Hen Ren, prophesying pig that what a prophesied pig that has been entrusted to turn now with the help of his furry sidekick, groggy, groggy and Princess Ellen elsewhere in Allo Allo! 00:11:31:57 - 00:11:51:34 Unknown When rainy, what the fuck are these names? Whatever turn must locate the magical Black Cauldron before the Horned King is able to use its mystical powers to summon the army of the undead. Kind of sounds cool as fuck, to be honest. When this came out on New Year's in 1985, what a good way to start the year. Only a 56% on Rotten Tomatoes. 00:11:51:39 - 00:12:17:06 Unknown Oh, people hated it. Whatever. I'm watching this. Fuck you guys. It's probably a great movie. So on Disney Plus if you have that. But would that be terrifying for a kid? Yeah, absolutely. No wonder it's PG in that G. Okay, Fantasia occult symbolism. Some people say that Fantasia uses demon spirits and ritualistic imagery. Yes it does. Are you kidding me? 00:12:17:11 - 00:12:36:34 Unknown If you've seen Fantasia as a kid, you weren't scared. I was like, what is happening? Like. And when he makes, like, the brooms dance or whatever, I was like, this is a nightmare. This is not fun, Mickey. This is not fun. This is scary. And you're making all the things come alive. And I don't like that. So that was me as a kid. 00:12:36:46 - 00:13:00:02 Unknown If you loved it, good for you, weirdo. I'm just joking. You're fine. People believed Walt dabbled in a centric symbolism. Well, might believe that that one stroke, but I. But Fantasia was definitely weird. It was definitely like Fantasia. I can't you guys. It was part of. It was weird. Okay? And I don't want to I don't want to hear anything about it. 00:13:00:07 - 00:13:24:45 Unknown Okay, so Walt Disney, let's move on from the animations to the full on conspiracies. If you guys don't know, the number one Walt Disney conspiracy is that he is. He had his body cryogenically frozen after death, and I mean, I'm not sure I don't know. Is that real? No. They say that he is frozen and they say he's frozen below the Pirates of the Caribbean. 00:13:24:50 - 00:13:51:12 Unknown In truth, he was cremated. Still, fans claim that he really was frozen and that the cremation was, a hoax. Do I believe that he was frozen? No. Not really. I believe that he was cremated. And why? Because I just don't believe that at the time of his death that that technology existed. Like, I don't. And if it did, it certainly was a lot more primal, I guess. 00:13:51:12 - 00:14:16:34 Unknown Know what more primitive than it would be right now. So I don't know. But to go along with that, another rumor the movie frozen was named frozen, basically to bury the search results on the cryogenic rumor on Google. So if you look up frozen Disney, it doesn't come up with the conspiracy theories anymore. It comes up with the movie frozen about Elsa Nana. 00:14:16:39 - 00:14:42:15 Unknown Could that be true? That one might be true? That one might be a really long term PR plan to stop with those rumors? Honestly, because it those rumors. I became so big at some point that I remember hearing about them as a child. So I know that certainly there is validity to it, whatever, not validity to it. There's not it's not real. 00:14:42:19 - 00:15:08:30 Unknown There is, there is. Yeah, there's validity to it. That's what I mean. Yeah. For sure. Another one is Walt's apartment in Disneyland is haunted. Okay. They say the lamp that stays lit on its own. Cast members claim footsteps, shadows and cold breezes. I don't really know much about that, but if I was Walt Disney and I created this entire thing, and I had an apartment in Disneyland, and then I died, and they kept my apartment there. 00:15:08:34 - 00:15:29:21 Unknown Yeah, that's where I'm going. Hell, yeah. Why wouldn't I go back to my house? Because of crazy. Of course I'm going back to my house. So does his ghost remain there? Maybe I'm good for his ghost. He should, as he should. That's his apartment. Duh. People say that Walt Disney has ties to secret societies like the Freemasons and the Dunmurry Tunnel. 00:15:29:25 - 00:15:49:44 Unknown And the demon and the demon, whatever fans point to symbolism in his early cartoons. He might have been a Freemason, I don't know. I have no idea. And I'm not allowed to look it up because it really doesn't matter. But he could have been. And again, it doesn't really matter. I'm not. I'm not saying that the Freemasons aren't a cult. 00:15:49:57 - 00:16:06:39 Unknown I'm just saying that if he did have ties to it, it probably wasn't. I don't know, why would I say that? Because why would I say he wasn't? I have no idea. I have no idea about what would Disney like that. So was he I don't know, maybe. I guess we're leaving at that. At that. The secret societies. 00:16:06:39 - 00:16:15:20 Unknown Okay, whatever. 00:16:15:25 - 00:16:47:49 Unknown Okay. And of course, there are the abandoned Disney parks, like river country, river country closed after it was not specifically linked to a boy in 1980 that died after he contracted an amoeba disease. But it did close after that years later. But it did close after that. So it was officially closed in 2001. River country was then basically left to rot and was a great, like urban exploration place for people. 00:16:47:54 - 00:17:16:21 Unknown And then it officially started being destroyed in the demolished, not just demolished in the late to the 20 tens. And then in 2018, it was officially completely demolished and they are now currently building some Disney Riverside lodging. Whatever. Very cool of it I guess. And then discovering Island off of. I think it's called Bay Lake and right by Disney World. 00:17:16:26 - 00:17:40:53 Unknown Discovery Island was basically left to rot and still is left to rot. It closed in like the 70s or whatever it is. This little island in the middle of this lake, things are overgrown there. And it's rumored to be used for experiments. I love that rumor. I don't think it's real, but I love the idea of there being, like, a secret Disney Island where, like, doing crazy things, but like, let's be real guys isn't real. 00:17:40:53 - 00:17:59:28 Unknown I don't know, probably not. Maybe the people who think I'm here by Disney telling you that it may not be real. I don't know, I'm just saying, like, I think Disney's got enough money that they're not like going to the old island to do that kind of stuff. You know what I mean? I'm not saying that the island is where where Disney is doing creepy things, you know? 00:17:59:33 - 00:18:27:00 Unknown But can you imagine those animatronics sitting in that abandoned forest just like being left in nature? Oh well, spooky. And honestly, that's what they should turn it into. Just turned into Spooky Island. Hello. Turn it into Coca Cola. Hello. But for real, they should turn it into Spooky Island. Discovery island, spooky Island. Hello. Please do it. Disney. I want to go on a spooky Disney tour. 00:18:27:00 - 00:18:47:33 Unknown I want a whole island park of spooky things. Okay, I know you just made Dark Universe, but I want more, I want more. Okay, so Disney doesn't really like to talk about the dark incidences that have happened in the park. I can understand why. Because why are you talking about the darkest things at the happiest Place on earth again? 00:18:47:33 - 00:19:15:48 Unknown Disney adults click off now. There have been horrible accidents at both Disney World, Disneyland though. Again, we talked about Thunder Mountain and the monorail accidents. Thunder Mountain in 2003, some guy died. That is really sad and tragic and spooky as well. But there is a rumor also that nobody dies at Disney. So there's rumors that Disney will move bodies off of the property before pronouncing them dead or like that. 00:19:15:48 - 00:19:38:34 Unknown That is something that they do so that nobody is pronounced dead at Disney, that feels that feels spooky and sinister for whole other reasons. There have been tragic cast member accidents and stuff. And I mean, even if it wasn't a death and a tragic accident, those energy burns like we talked about a couple weeks ago, I guess back in November. 00:19:38:34 - 00:19:55:35 Unknown Now, where we are well into the summer, honey, back in November, people claim to still see them working their favorite attractions, which I think is sweet. I think that's nice, especially if you love. If you were a cast member, I'd love to work at Disney and you just want to keep working at Disney because it is your happiest place on earth. 00:19:55:35 - 00:20:15:52 Unknown Good for you. That's awesome, but not awesome that you died there. That's not awesome. But I guess if you if there's any place to hunt, I guess Disney is like a magical place to hunt. Yeah, if you like that. If you don't, then it's a nightmare. If you don't like Disney guy there. Oh my God, that's scary. Or you have to like, ride the ride the rest of your life. 00:20:15:54 - 00:20:36:59 Unknown The guy in Thunder Mountain, he's just riding that forever. I hate that the people mover used to be a thing at Disney, I believe Disney World, maybe Disneyland. But two riders did die and one girl did fall 30ft onto the concrete and broke her hip and arm, and I think her clavicle as well. And she sued Disney. 00:20:37:08 - 00:21:06:18 Unknown I don't know what happened to with all that, but that did apparently happen according to the internet. According to Google, there's a Lost Boy rumor, an urban legend of a child who haunts the Tom Sawyer Island. Some boy, some little boy allegedly got lost and was never found. And now his ghost haunts the Tom Sawyer Island. I don't know what the Tom Sawyer Island is, but I think if he is haunting there, if he's a little boy that died at Disney, let him haunt Disney, okay? 00:21:06:18 - 00:21:27:29 Unknown He's probably as. And if he's not, I feel bad. I'm so sorry. A little boy like, you know, trauma imprints out in places and stuff. So if you're seeing Ghost at Disney, it's probably because something traumatic happened. And like, you know, no place is perfect. Even the happiest place on Earth can be traumatic. So Disney parks also kind of feel like liminal spaces. 00:21:27:34 - 00:21:44:58 Unknown Disney parks are kind of eerie because there's no other place in the world like them. So you're very much in a unique place where your brain is like, I'm trying to process where I even am and to relate it to another place and it's hard because there's no other place like this. I mean, there is there's theme parks, there's, you know, theme parks. 00:21:44:59 - 00:22:15:15 Unknown My like, thinking of, I guess theme parks, like roller coaster parks, I don't know. All right. Yeah, sure. See your point in all that state parks like that. But Disney World is such a unique thing that not only shaped all of our childhoods. So at night, an empty main street can feel so eerie. If you were at Disney late and it's like after the parade and stuff, and there's empty Main Street and you can see it, I'm sure that is just like kind of creepy because it's so crowded at certain times. 00:22:15:19 - 00:22:33:20 Unknown Animatronics powered off, but there's still staring that is fucking creepy. That is very Five Nights at Freddy's, five Nights at Disney, that's that's the sequel to Five Nights at Disney. And it's just like, that's what they're going at. Well, I mean, they already made a steamboat Willie horror movie. Why why did they immediately make a horror movie about that? 00:22:33:25 - 00:22:51:41 Unknown That came into the licensing and they had that written and ready to go. And obviously, like the giant perfect sets that they build, they're giant. So it's one of those things where it's big things in places where they shouldn't be kind of. I was just telling my friends about my fear of that the other day, and they were like, what do you mean? 00:22:51:41 - 00:23:10:04 Unknown I was like, they're not supposed to be there. I'm talking about the windmills that are in the middle of like, cornfields and stuff. I can't talk about it. You guys cast only zones. Kind of feel like horror games, right? Like you can. You can't go into these places, and you're like, what could be in there? Especially when there's so much out here? 00:23:10:04 - 00:23:33:41 Unknown What are they not showing us? You know what I mean? But liminal spaces obviously trigger primal discomfort. So I'm sure at times Disney kind of feels maybe not discomfort, but like overwhelming of like just how different and how unique it can really be. But Disney is also engineered to feel unreal because that's the magic that it's trying to give off. 00:23:33:41 - 00:23:57:07 Unknown So that magic can definitely make your brain, you know, and especially as an adult who's not taking in the inner sense of the magic, but as an adult who's like trying to kind of make sense of it all can be overwhelming and make your brain panic a little bit. But why do Disney conspiracies hit so damn hard? Well, mostly because, like I said, Disney has shaped our childhoods. 00:23:57:07 - 00:24:30:16 Unknown I mean, for decades and decades, I mean almost I want to say, you know, 70 some years Disney has been around shaping our lives. And that mix of like nostalgia from your childhood and like the little bit of danger behind it is total. It's exciting. It's exciting. It's addictive. In some ways, the secretiveness of certain places like club 33 and stuff fuels the myths, and obviously the internet is going to romanticize it. 00:24:30:21 - 00:24:56:34 Unknown Disney is a cultural monolith. It's a, you know, pillar in nostalgia and childhood, in our, you know, society and our guys in culturally. I mean, in many countries, there's Disney World, Paris, there's Disney World, Hong Kong, there's Disney World, whatever. So, so projecting the stories onto it makes a lot of sense. Now, if Disney also has the secret society, what is it? 00:24:56:34 - 00:25:21:14 Unknown Club 33. Yeah. Club 33, which is also totally just a breeding ground for rumors about how how secret society Disney can be. But really all it is, I mean, it's a $50,000 initiation fee. It's a money grab. It's a money grab for, like, superfans and wealthy executives and stuff and wealthy people who just want to be a part of it. 00:25:21:21 - 00:25:45:50 Unknown I'm sure that you get a lot of benefits being, part of club 33. I'm just not that super fan of Disney to want to do that. But Holly Madison has said on her podcast that it's it's basically just another way for them to make money, another restaurant and exclusivity and another at, oh, I'm dying over here, another VIP experience. 00:25:45:50 - 00:26:06:48 Unknown So do you guys have any kind of haunting Disney story that I did not mentioned? Please tell me below. I am super, super interested because Disney is such a like I said, a monolith, a pillar. Disney is such a giant corporation that it's intimidating. And I think as people who you know, we kind of want them to be cut down to size also. 00:26:06:48 - 00:26:22:12 Unknown So the conspiracies and the theories and all that kind of help me. Probably a lot of you didn't even get it this far. So I appreciate you all that did go listen to last week's episode. I know it was teeny tiny and very short, so it's going to be a little good and a little bite sized for you. 00:26:22:17 - 00:26:43:19 Unknown But we are starting our token up series. We are talking to celebrities, celebrities, basically celebrities, local celebrities. We're talking to Michigan cannabis industry employees and really celebrities. That might be a good word for it. So definitely check it out. It's part of our Toke it Out, Toke It Up series and whatever. Tell your I was like, whatever. 00:26:43:30 - 00:26:52:37 Unknown So silly. You guys tell your weird uncle about me. Go watch last week's episode. Go listen to my last week's interview and I'll see you next week. BYEEEEE! 00:26:52:37 - 00:26:59:32 Unknown