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All right, get ready to dock deep today

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because we're tackling consciousness.

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And you know, you sent over some really interesting stuff,

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excerpts from an interview with Federico Fagan.

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Yeah, he's an interesting guy.

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Yeah, and the guys got range, right?

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Yeah.

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Silicon chip technology and consciousness research.

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Like how do you even?

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Well, it is a unique combination.

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What's fascinating is that his journey,

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you know, started in Silicon Valley.

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He invented the CPU touch pad,

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worked on early neural networks, all that.

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Right, a central casting, right?

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But then, this is where it gets wild,

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in 1990 he had this profound experience at Lake Tahoe

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and it just totally changed his trajectory.

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Sent him on this 30 year quest to understand consciousness.

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Yeah, it seems like this Lake Tahoe thing was

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a real turning point for him.

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Without giving too much away, it sounds like

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it involved this overwhelming sense of love

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and interconnectedness, love with everything.

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Additional love.

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Yeah, and that kind of pushed him to question the whole,

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you know, the standard scientific view

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that consciousness is just a product of the brain.

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Exactly, he argues that this materialist perspective,

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while maybe useful for understanding

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some things about the brain, you know,

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just doesn't really fully explain things.

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Subjective experience, free will.

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And even like quantum mechanics.

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Yeah, it just hits a wall.

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So, I gotta ask, what does he propose instead?

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Where does he go with this?

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Okay, so, get this.

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His core concept is that we are not just physical bodies,

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but conscious fields existing, wait for it,

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beyond space time.

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Okay, hold on, conscious fields beyond space time.

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Yeah, he calls this field say,

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and it's basically a conscious entity with,

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get this, free will.

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And it wants to know itself.

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So, hold on, let me try to get this straight.

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It's like, okay, so we have these conscious fields,

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they exist outside of space and time,

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they have free will, they wanna understand themselves.

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Are we talking like energy fields in Star Wars?

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Not exactly, I mean, it's not like the force or anything.

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It's, think of it more like this.

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Imagine a drone being controlled by a remote operator.

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The drone, that's our physical body,

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interacting with the physical world.

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But the operator, the one experiencing things,

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making the decisions, that's the say, the conscious field.

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So, our consciousness is like the pilot

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and our body is the vehicle.

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I can kinda see that.

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But how does this conscious field, this say,

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actually interact with the physical world?

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Is that where quantum physics comes in?

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Right, that's where it gets even more interesting.

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Fagan says that quantum information acts as the bridge

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between the conscious field and the physical world.

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It's like the language, if you will.

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The language?

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Yeah, the language that allows our inner experiences

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to be represented and to influence the world around us,

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our thoughts, feelings, all that.

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when I first read about quantum information

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and consciousness, I was just like, what?

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Yeah, I get it.

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It's hard to wrap your head around

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how abstract math can explain something

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as personal as feelings.

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Oh yeah, definitely.

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But what Fagan does, he actually flips the script.

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He says that math isn't the ultimate explanation

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for consciousness.

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It's more like math is a tool created by consciousness.

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To understand itself.

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Yeah, exactly.

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Like a map we use to navigate our inner world.

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Okay, that actually makes a bit more sense.

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But what about qualia, those raw sensations?

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You know, like redness or the taste of chocolate

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or even like the feeling of love.

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How can quantum information explain all that?

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That's a great question.

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And you know, it's one that is still being debated a lot.

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But Fagan suggests that while quantum information

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can represent these qualia,

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it doesn't necessarily explain the meaning

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that we attach to them.

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Think about it like a map again.

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A map can show you the layout of a city.

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the stories of the people who live there, the meaning.

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That's something that we experience directly

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Right, so let's recap for a second.

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We've got this conscious field,

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this say interacting with the physical world

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through quantum information.

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doesn't that mean our choices are already predetermined?

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of quantum mechanics gets, well, a little wild.

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He suggests that the collapse of the wave function,

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you know, that whole thing in quantum mechanics

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where possibilities become reality.

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He says it's not random.

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It's a free will decision made by the conscious field.

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Your choices, they matter.

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They're not predetermined.

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They're shaping the reality that you've experienced.

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So it's not just our minds

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that are operating on this quantum level.

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Fagan also suggests that our bodies,

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even down to the cellular level, are quantum systems too.

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That's right.

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He even compares a cell to a microprocessor.

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But there's a big difference.

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It's not just this complex machine following a set program.

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It's constantly interacting with conscious fields,

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responding to information,

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and making choices that go beyond just,

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you know, basic biochemistry.

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So it's almost like our cells are making choices too.

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Is there any real world evidence to back this up?

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where genes can change within a lifetime

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based on stuff from our environment.

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That suggests that there's a whole layer

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of information beyond our DNA

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that's influencing how our genes work.

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And that fits in with this whole idea.

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Our cells are constantly interacting

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Receiving information and responding in ways

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that maybe traditional biology can't fully explain.

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Okay, now for a claim that really made me do a double take,

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Fagan says that trees are conscious.

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Trees.

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Trees.

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How's that even possible?

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I know, right?

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It sounds crazy, but think about it.

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If he's right, it just,

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it blows the whole materialist paradigm out of the water.

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If consciousness doesn't require a brain, then where is it?

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What does it even mean to be conscious?

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Like he's opening up this whole other realm of possibilities,

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Like consciousness could exist in forms

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we haven't even imagined.

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And the amazing thing is Fagan is planning to do experiments

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to try and prove his theory about tree consciousness.

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It's gonna be fascinating to see how that all plays out.

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And it could really change how we view, well, everything.

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So we've talked about conscious fields,

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quantum information, even, you know, conscious trees.

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Does Fagan talk about that at all?

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And it's super relevant with all the buzz

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about AI these days, right?

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It's easy to get caught up in the hype,

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maybe even fear about machines becoming super intelligent,

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like so passing us.

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they don't help.

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So where does Fagan land on all this?

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Does he think AI will, you know, become conscious like us?

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It's interesting.

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He sees AI as a powerful tool.

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I mean, capable of incredible things, right?

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Computation, problem solving, you name it.

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of consciousness.

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So AI can, you know, crunch numbers and process data,

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maybe even write poems, compose music,

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but it's not really thinking the way we do.

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Right. More like a really sophisticated mimicry.

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about how we develop and use AI.

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we could be making some serious mistakes.

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to something that lacks, you know,

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true understanding or compassion.

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Or even a sense of self-preservation.

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It's, well, it's a bit of a scary thought.

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to cultivate our own consciousness.

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we should be focusing on, you know, our own growth.

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so rapidly, the best upgrade is to ourselves,

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to our understanding.

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Okay, get ready because this next concept from Fagan

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is a bit of a mind bender.

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He connects the expansion of the universe to,

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wait for it, consciousness.

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Yeah. Space itself, he says, is like a memory

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of the self-knowing of, you know,

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that ultimate unified consciousness, one.

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It makes you feel so small, but also like,

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incredibly significant.

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Do all the different beings and perspectives in the universe?

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Fagan uses this analogy of multi-dimensional tomography.

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Imagine you have this really complex,

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multi-dimensional object.

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you have to view it from every possible angle.

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Capture all its facets and dimensions.

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of perspectives, each one represented by a say.

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experiencing the universe from different points of view.

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And that includes you listening right now.

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Your perspective, your experience, your say,

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it's all part of this grand cosmic tapestry.

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And there's no one right way to experience it.

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It's through all these different perspectives

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that one comes to know itself.

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If we're all part of this unified consciousness,

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why is there so much conflict, suffering?

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It seems to contradict this idea of oneness.

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That's where Fagan's insight into cooperation

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versus competition comes in.

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Conflict, he suggests, arises from that limited

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ego-driven perspective.

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When we only see ourselves as separate individuals,

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you know, driven by our own desires and fears.

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So we get stuck in that limited view and boom, conflict.

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But what's the alternative?

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How do we, you know, shift out of that competition

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and into something better?

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Fagan suggests that when we really experience

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that interconnectedness, you know, our essence

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as these conscious fields, something changes.

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Like deep down, the urge to compete lessons.

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for understanding.

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So it's like our well-being is tied to everyone else's.

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The planet, even the whole cosmos.

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It's a big shift, yeah.

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But I think it's a perspective that a lot of people are,

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well, maybe intuitively drawn to already.

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Look at all the movements for social justice,

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for the environment, for global cooperation.

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It's like, we're waking up to this understanding

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that we're all connected.

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That's hopeful.

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So taking all this in, I mean, what does it mean

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for, you know, for someone listening right now?

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Fagan's ideas, they're definitely challenging.

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But also empowering in a way.

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If you really grasp what he's saying,

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it means you, the listener, you're not just this body.

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You're a conscious field with huge potential.

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Your choices matter.

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They shape your reality.

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And by, you know, cultivating your inner knowing,

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you can understand yourself and the universe

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in a much deeper way.

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It's like we have this incredible power within us

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way beyond what we usually think.

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And it's not just about, you know,

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understanding it with your head.

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It's about experiencing it directly.

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Through that, say, with wonder, with openness.

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So it's less about finding all the answers

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and more about like asking the right questions.

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Ones that open us up to new possibilities.

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Exactly.

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Embrace that curiosity, that sense of wonder.

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That's what's so inspiring about Fagan.

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It's not just theory.

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It's a call to action.

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A call to?

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A wake up to our true nature.

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And then use that to make the world better.

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That's it.

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And it's a vision worth working towards,

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even if, you know, the path isn't always clear.

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Well, this deep dive has definitely given me

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a lot to think about.

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It's like opening up a whole new dimension to reality.

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And that's just the beginning.

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There's so much more to explore about consciousness.

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And if you want to go deeper,

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we highly recommend Fagan's book, Irreducible.

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It's mind bending, but hopeful.

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And as always, we'd love to hear your thoughts.

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What resonated with you?

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What questions do you have?

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Share them with us.

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Maybe they'll spark our next deep dive.

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Until then, keep exploring, keep questioning,

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and keep expanding that awareness.

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You know, the journey never really ends,

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and that's what makes it so exciting.