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Have you ever wished that you could just hit,

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like fast forward, you know, on learning a new skill?

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Like skip all those hours of practice

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and just like jump right to being an expert.

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Well in the world of AI,

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that's what researchers are trying to do.

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Yeah.

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And there's this new breakthrough called B-Star.

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That is really shaking things up.

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That's right.

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So maybe you could tell us a little bit about

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what is so groundbreaking about B-Star?

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So B-Star is interesting because it tackles

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a really, really fundamental problem in AI,

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which is that as these models get more and more complex,

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they need more and more data to be able to learn.

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And that data typically comes from us humans

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and it's a very, very expensive

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and time consuming process to create.

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It's like we're constantly having to feed the AI

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That's right.

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with more and more and more information

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just to get them to learn a little bit more.

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That's right.

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But B-Star is all about making the AI more self-sufficient.

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That's right.

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Right.

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So how does that work?

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So we call it self-improvement

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and we've seen other attempts to try to improve AI's ability

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to self-improve, but typically they would plateau.

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B-Star takes a very different route.

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And so we're seeing a lot of really interesting

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That's really exciting.

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So how does it work?

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How is this AI self-improving?

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Okay, so imagine you're learning to play the guitar.

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You could spend all of your time

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just practicing like the same three chords.

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And that's something we call exploitation in AI.

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Or you could experiment with like new melodies

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or new techniques and then we call that exploration.

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And the key to actually getting better is this balance

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between sticking with what you know

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and trying something new.

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Right, so it's finding that sweet spot between the two.

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That's exactly what B-Star is doing.

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But unlike previous methods,

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which would kind of set that balance beforehand,

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B-Star will continuously monitor and adjust that balance

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throughout the training process.

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Oh, wow.

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So think of it like a self-driving car

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that is adjusting its course in real time

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to account for like traffic and other conditions.

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So B-Star is actually learning how to learn.

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Which is, that's wild.

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It is.

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Okay, but how does it know if it's on the right track?

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Like if it's actually improving.

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And it's essentially measuring how well it's balancing

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this exploration and exploitation.

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And so we're looking at both like the quantity of outputs

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that it produces and then also the quality of those outputs.

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we know that it's learning effectively.

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That's kind of a record card.

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That's a good way to think about it.

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Okay, so does this approach actually produce better results?

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So we see in the research that they tried this out

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on a variety of tasks, including math problems

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reasoning questions.

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Wow, that's a lot of really different challenges.

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So how did it do?

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So first let's look at math problems.

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So for this, they use data sets called GSM8KNMath,

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which tests the model's problem solving abilities.

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at one accuracy of 53.8%,

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which is a really big jump from the previous best,

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which was 46.8%.

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And on math, it was able to get 27.8%.

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So figuring out math.

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that seems like way more complicated?

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which is again, significantly higher than the previous

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So it's not just a one trick, Pony.

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It can do lots of different things.

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Okay, so you mentioned earlier that other attempts

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at self-improvement kind of hit a wall.

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Does BSTAR have the same problem?

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So that's what's really, really exciting about this,

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is that it keeps getting better.

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It doesn't just improve for a few rounds and then plateau.

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Okay, sampling temperature.

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That sounds very technical.

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It is, but basically imagine your like brainstorming ideas.

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A low temperature would keep your ideas kind of close

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A low temperature would encourage you to think more

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BSTAR was able to avoid getting stuck in a rut

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and find new and better solutions.

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its own creative limits.

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Even as it gets better.

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that give more nuance than just saying right or wrong.

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PRM.

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its final answer is right or wrong.

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that AI takes to get to that answer and provides feedback.

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understanding of what it's doing well

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and allows it to really learn from that feedback.

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So we've talked about the balance score

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and we've talked about how it adjusts this exploration

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and exploitation.

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But why should we care about this whole self-improvement

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That's a really great question.

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for how we develop and use AI in the future.

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So imagine AI that can learn and adapt on its own

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That would open up possibilities

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in so many different fields.

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So it's less time spent on data prep.

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And more time spent on actually tackling real-world problems.

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So does this actually work with like larger AI models?

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is that it seems to scale.

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which is a fairly big model

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and they still saw these really significant improvements.

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What else is really neat about this approach?

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MeSTAR allows researchers to really see

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and how the model is adapting its strategy over time.

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So it's not just making the AI better,

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but it's making it so we can understand

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how that improvement is happening.

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MeSTAR is about self-improvement in AI.

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It balances exploration and exploitation.

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It uses this balance score to stay on track.

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It's doing some really amazing results

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across all these different tasks.

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over its exploration and come up

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with even more diverse solutions.

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It's a play with.

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that actually adapt and change over time.

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even more nuanced and relevant as the model learns.

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So it's all about making it more adaptive.

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Yeah, that's a great way to put it.

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And responsive.

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But I'm really interested in the real world applications.

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Like what fields could be transformed by an AI

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that can do all this?

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Oh, the possibilities are really, really exciting.

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I bet.

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Where machines have to adapt to these very complex

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Right now, most robots rely on pre-programmed instructions.

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where they're constantly learning from their experiences

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and getting better at what they do.

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So as I consider them just being tools.

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They become more like partners.

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That's amazing.

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that could learn from each surgery that it performs.

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Wow.

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And continually refine its techniques.

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Yeah.

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And reduce the risk of error.

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That would be amazing.

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Or think about like a search and rescue robot.

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Okay.

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That could adapt to different environments

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and navigate this challenging terrain more effectively.

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Just in healthcare and disaster response alone,

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applications are huge.

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They are, yeah.

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Wow.

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So a lot of times we think about AI

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as being good at logic and reasoning.

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Right.

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What about creativity?

296
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That's a really great question.

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Like could B-Star help AI become more artistic?

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So we've already seen AI create some really impressive

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artwork and music.

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But a lot of times it feels a little bit mechanical.

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Right.

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Because it relies on these existing data sets and patterns.

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And it's kind of just remixing what's already out there.

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Yeah.

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But with B-Star, eventually AI could develop

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its own unique style, its own creative voice.

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So instead of just imitating us.

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Yeah.

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It could actually become an artist in its own right.

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That's right.

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Now that's a game changer.

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That's right.

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So imagine AI composing original music

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or writing stories or even designing new products.

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Absolutely.

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And because B-Star is so good at balancing

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exploration and exploitation.

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Wow.

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It could potentially find that sweet spot

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between pushing creative boundaries

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and still producing work that resonates with people.

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Right.

323
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It could help us to discover completely new forms

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of art and expression.

325
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That's incredible.

326
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This is making me think about education too.

327
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Oh yeah.

328
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Like what if we could use B-Star to create personalized learning

329
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experiences.

330
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All right.

331
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That adapt to each student's individual needs

332
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and learning style.

333
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That's a really cool idea.

334
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So imagine a tutoring system that

335
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can pinpoint a student's strengths and weaknesses.

336
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Yeah.

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And then tailor the curriculum accordingly.

338
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Right.

339
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So you could give customized feedback,

340
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adjust the pace of learning, and even recommend

341
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new topics to explore.

342
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To be like having a personal tutor for every student.

343
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Yeah.

344
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That's amazing.

345
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OK.

346
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OK.

347
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So this conversation is getting me really excited

348
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about the future of AI.

349
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It's a very exciting time.

350
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It is.

351
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But with all this talk about self-improvement

352
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and the systems constantly evolving,

353
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it does make me wonder, where does human control fit

354
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into all of this?

355
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That's a really important question.

356
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And as AI becomes more autonomous,

357
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it's really, really critical to ensure

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that we maintain a certain level of oversight.

359
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We don't want to create something that we can't

360
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understand or control.

361
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Hit the balancing act.

362
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Yeah.

363
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Between letting AI learn and evolve.

364
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Yeah.

365
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And also making sure that we're still

366
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steering it in the right direction.

367
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That's right.

368
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So it sounds like we need to be thinking not just

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about the technical aspects of AI, but also

370
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the social and ethical and even philosophical implications.

371
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Absolutely.

372
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AI is not just a tool.

373
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It's a reflection of ourselves and our values.

374
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And as we develop more and more advanced systems like B-Star,

375
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it's so important that we do it responsibly and thoughtfully.

376
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Yeah.

377
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We need to ask those tough questions.

378
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Yeah.

379
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And have those difficult conversations

380
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about what kind of future we want to build.

381
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Absolutely.

382
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So it's not just building a better AI.

383
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It's building a better future with AI.

384
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Yeah.

385
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I think that's a really nice way to put it.

386
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OK.

387
00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:57,400
So this has been a really fascinating deep dive.

388
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It has.

389
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We started by talking about B-Star's ability

390
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to help AI models learn more efficiently.

391
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Yeah.

392
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But this conversation has really made me rethink

393
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this whole field of AI.

394
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I think that's what's so exciting about these kinds

395
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of breakthroughs is that they really

396
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challenge our assumptions about what's possible.

397
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Absolutely.

398
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And I think that's something our listeners should

399
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take away from this episode.

400
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Yeah.

401
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B-Star is just one example of the incredible innovation that's

402
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happening right now in AI.

403
00:12:23,560 --> 00:12:24,520
That's right.

404
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It's a field that's constantly evolving.

405
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Yeah.

406
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And who knows what breakthroughs are just around the corner.

407
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That brings up a really important point.

408
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How do we keep up with all of this as individuals?

409
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Right.

410
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It can feel like a tidal wave.

411
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Yeah.

412
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It can feel really overwhelming.

413
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Yeah.

414
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So how do we even begin to keep up with it all?

415
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It starts with curiosity.

416
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OK.

417
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So read articles.

418
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Listen to podcasts like this one, of course.

419
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Of course.

420
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Seek out events related to AI.

421
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There are so many resources available now,

422
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both online and in your local community,

423
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that it's easier than ever to really tap into this world.

424
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And you don't need to be a computer scientist

425
00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:03,080
to understand this stuff.

426
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Or to even form an opinion about how

427
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AI is going to impact our lives.

428
00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:08,640
Not at all.

429
00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:10,800
And I think the more we understand about it,

430
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the more we can make informed decisions

431
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about its development and use.

432
00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:14,320
Yeah.

433
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It's like anything else, the more you learn.

434
00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:16,720
Yeah.

435
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The more empowered you are.

436
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Absolutely.

437
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To participate.

438
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That's right.

439
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And to have a voice in this conversation.

440
00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:21,880
Yeah.

441
00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:24,720
And don't underestimate the power of conversation itself.

442
00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:25,120
Oh, yeah.

443
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Talk to your friends.

444
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Talk to your family.

445
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Right?

446
00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:28,920
Talk to your colleagues.

447
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Anyone who will listen, share what you're learning,

448
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ask questions, and be open to different perspectives.

449
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A lot of times those casual conversations

450
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are what really lead to some big change.

451
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Yeah, I think so.

452
00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:41,840
OK.

453
00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:44,960
So as we wrap up this deep dive into Beastar

454
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and this constantly changing world of AI,

455
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I want to leave our listeners with a question.

456
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OK.

457
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What kind of world do you want to create with AI?

458
00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:55,440
Wow.

459
00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:56,760
That's a powerful question.

460
00:13:56,760 --> 00:13:57,480
It is.

461
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I don't think there's an easy answer,

462
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but I think by staying engaged, informed, and curious,

463
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we can all play a part in making sure

464
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that AI is used for good in the world.

465
00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:08,320
Well said.

466
00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:10,720
And for those of you who want to learn more about Beastar

467
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and all this research that we discussed,

468
00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:14,520
we got links in the show notes to the original paper

469
00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:16,120
and some other resources as well.

470
00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:16,640
Awesome.

471
00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:17,840
Thanks for listening, everybody.

472
00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:19,720
Until next time, keep exploring.

473
00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:22,040
Keep learning and keep asking those big questions.

474
00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:22,840
Absolutely.

475
00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:25,880
And they could also look at different ways

476
00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:29,200
of how they select the outputs that are used for training.

477
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So there are more sophisticated decoding techniques

478
00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:35,400
that could give the model even finer control

479
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over its exploration and allow it to come up

480
00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:42,920
with even more diverse and creative solutions.

481
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So it was like we're giving it a bigger toolbox to play with.

482
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Yeah.

483
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And then on the exploitation side,

484
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they could look at using dynamic reward models

485
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that actually adapt and change over time

486
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so that as the model learns, the feedback

487
00:14:58,040 --> 00:14:59,920
is even more nuanced and relevant.

488
00:14:59,920 --> 00:15:02,040
So it's all about just making it more adaptive.

489
00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:02,880
Yeah.

490
00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:05,360
OK, so we've talked a lot about the technical side of things,

491
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but I'm curious about the real world applications.

492
00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:12,880
Like what fields could be transformed by an AI

493
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that can do all of this stuff?

494
00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:16,680
I think there are so many possibilities.

495
00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:18,240
It's really exciting to think about.

496
00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:21,280
So one area that comes to mind is robotics.

497
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Where machines have to adapt to these very complex

498
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and unpredictable environments.

499
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And right now, robots mostly rely on these pre-programmed

500
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instructions.

501
00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:33,760
But with Beastar, we could potentially

502
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see a future where robots are constantly learning

503
00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:39,280
from their experiences and getting better and better

504
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at what they do.

505
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It's not just them being a tool anymore.

506
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It's them being more like a partner.

507
00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:44,800
Exactly.

508
00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:48,760
Yeah, so imagine a robot surgeon that

509
00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:52,600
could learn from each surgery that it performs

510
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and continually refine its techniques

511
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and reduce the risk of error.

512
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That would be incredible.

513
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Yeah, or think about a search and rescue robot

514
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that could adapt to different environments

515
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and navigate challenging terrain.

516
00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:06,400
Yeah, just in health care and disaster response alone.

517
00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:06,920
Right.

518
00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:08,160
The applications are huge.

519
00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:09,600
Yeah, they're really significant.

520
00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:14,520
So we tend to think of AI as being good at logic and reasoning.

521
00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:15,280
Right.

522
00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:16,520
What about creativity?

523
00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:17,720
That's a great question.

524
00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:20,680
Like, could Beastar help AI become more artistic?

525
00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:23,440
Yeah, so we've already seen AI create some pretty impressive

526
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artwork and music.

527
00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:25,080
Right.

528
00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:27,240
But it often feels kind of mechanical.

529
00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:27,560
Right.

530
00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:29,960
Because it's relying on these existing data sets

531
00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:30,720
and patterns.

532
00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:31,640
Yeah.

533
00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:34,560
It's essentially remixing what's already out there.

534
00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:37,240
But with Beastar, AI could potentially

535
00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:40,760
develop its own unique style, its own creative voice.

536
00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:42,480
So instead of just imitating us.

537
00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:43,040
Exactly.

538
00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:44,760
It could become an artist in its own right.

539
00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:45,520
That's right.

540
00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:46,560
That's a game changer.

541
00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:47,600
It really is, yeah.

542
00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:51,800
So we could have AI composing original music or writing

543
00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:54,200
stories or even designing new products.

544
00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:54,800
Exactly.

545
00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:59,440
And because Beastar is so good at this balance between exploration

546
00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:02,840
and exploitation, it could potentially

547
00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:07,040
find that sweet spot between pushing creative boundaries

548
00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:09,760
but still producing work that really resonates with people.

549
00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:09,960
Right.

550
00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:11,680
So it's not just totally out there.

551
00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:12,080
Right.

552
00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:13,680
And the stuff that we can connect with.

553
00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:14,120
Yeah.

554
00:17:14,120 --> 00:17:16,480
And it could help us discover entirely new forms

555
00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:17,800
of art and expression.

556
00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:18,360
Wow.

557
00:17:18,360 --> 00:17:20,560
OK, so this is making me think about education.

558
00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:23,600
Like what if we could use Beastar to create personalized

559
00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:24,720
learning experiences?

560
00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:25,760
Oh, that's a cool idea.

561
00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:28,520
That adapt to each student's individual needs and learning

562
00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:28,920
style.

563
00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:29,240
Yeah.

564
00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:31,800
So imagine a tutoring system that

565
00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:35,560
could really pinpoint a student's strengths and weaknesses.

566
00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:35,960
Yeah.

567
00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:38,680
And then tailor the curriculum based on that.

568
00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:39,120
Right.

569
00:17:39,120 --> 00:17:41,360
It could give customized feedback,

570
00:17:41,360 --> 00:17:44,200
adjust the pace of learning, even recommend new topics

571
00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:45,280
for them to explore.

572
00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:47,320
It could be like a personal tutor for every student.

573
00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:48,480
Exactly.

574
00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:48,960
Yeah.

575
00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:49,800
That's incredible.

576
00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:51,960
OK, so this conversation has got me really excited

577
00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:53,320
about the future of AI.

578
00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:53,920
Yeah.

579
00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:57,000
But all this talk about self-improvement and these

580
00:17:57,000 --> 00:18:02,000
systems constantly evolving, it does make me wonder,

581
00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:04,880
where does human control fit into all of this?

582
00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:05,680
Yeah.

583
00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:07,360
That is a really important question.

584
00:18:07,360 --> 00:18:09,760
Like are we just going to let the machines take over?

585
00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:11,120
I don't think so.

586
00:18:11,120 --> 00:18:14,920
But I think as AI systems become more and more autonomous,

587
00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:18,240
it's really critical to ensure that we maintain

588
00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:19,720
some level of oversight.

589
00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:20,040
Right.

590
00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:22,320
We don't want to create something that we can't understand

591
00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:23,080
or control.

592
00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:24,400
So it's a balancing act again.

593
00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:25,080
It is, yeah.

594
00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:27,480
Between letting the AI learn and evolve.

595
00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:28,080
Yeah.

596
00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:30,000
And also making sure that we're steering it.

597
00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:30,480
Right.

598
00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:31,280
In the right direction.

599
00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:32,000
Exactly.

600
00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:33,840
So it sounds like we need to be thinking not just

601
00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:36,080
about the technical side of AI, but also

602
00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:39,720
about the social and the ethical and even

603
00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:41,600
the philosophical implications.

604
00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:43,600
I think that's absolutely right.

605
00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:46,840
AI is not just a tool, it's a reflection of ourselves

606
00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:47,760
and our values.

607
00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:51,160
And as we develop these really advanced systems like BSTAR,

608
00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:54,120
it's so important that we do it responsible and thoughtfully.

609
00:18:54,120 --> 00:18:54,520
Yeah.

610
00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:56,040
We need to ask those tough questions

611
00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:59,920
and have those difficult conversations about what kind

612
00:18:59,920 --> 00:19:01,760
of future we want to build.

613
00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:03,040
I think that's really well said.

614
00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:04,760
So it's not just building a better AI,

615
00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:06,680
it's building a better future with AI.

616
00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:07,080
Yeah.

617
00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:08,320
I really like that.

618
00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:08,600
OK.

619
00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:11,240
So this has been a really fascinating deep dive.

620
00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:12,040
It has been.

621
00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:15,200
We started by talking about BSTAR and its ability

622
00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:18,480
to help AI models learn more efficiently.

623
00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:19,320
Right.

624
00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:21,920
But this conversation has really expanded my thinking

625
00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:23,080
about the whole field.

626
00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:26,320
I think that's what's so great about exploring these cutting

627
00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:28,440
edge advancements is that they often lead us

628
00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:31,800
to these unexpected insights and really challenge

629
00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:33,760
our assumptions about what's possible.

630
00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:34,520
Absolutely.

631
00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:36,360
And I think that's something our listeners should

632
00:19:36,360 --> 00:19:37,400
take away from this episode.

633
00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:42,000
That BSTAR is just one example of the incredible

634
00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:44,240
innovation that's happening in AI right now.

635
00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:44,880
Absolutely.

636
00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:47,680
It's a field that is just constantly evolving.

637
00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:48,080
Yeah.

638
00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:50,640
And who knows what breakthroughs are just around the corner.

639
00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:52,520
That brings up a really important point.

640
00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:55,560
How do we keep up with all of this as individuals?

641
00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:56,040
Right.

642
00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:56,360
Yeah.

643
00:19:56,360 --> 00:19:58,520
It can feel like a tidal wave of new developments

644
00:19:58,520 --> 00:19:59,600
coming out all the time.

645
00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:01,280
It can feel really overwhelming.

646
00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:01,720
Yeah.

647
00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:04,560
So how can we even begin to keep up with it all?

648
00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:06,360
I think it starts with curiosity.

649
00:20:06,360 --> 00:20:06,840
OK.

650
00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:09,760
So read articles, listen to podcasts like this one,

651
00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:10,280
of course.

652
00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:11,800
Before.

653
00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:15,640
You know, seek out events that are related to AI.

654
00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:18,760
There are so many resources available now, both online

655
00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:22,040
and in your local community, that it's easier than ever

656
00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:23,440
to tap into this world.

657
00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:28,280
And you don't need to be like a PhD in computer science.

658
00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:28,560
Yeah.

659
00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:29,120
You don't.

660
00:20:29,120 --> 00:20:33,040
To understand the basics or to have an opinion about how

661
00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:34,320
it's going to impact our lives.

662
00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:35,880
I think the more we understand about AI,

663
00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:39,160
the better equipped will be to make those informed decisions

664
00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:40,560
about its development and use.

665
00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:41,000
Right.

666
00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:42,960
It's like anything else, the more you learn,

667
00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:44,160
the more empowered you are.

668
00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:44,880
Absolutely.

669
00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:46,320
To participate in the conversation.

670
00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:46,680
Yeah.

671
00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:49,680
And don't underestimate the power of just conversation

672
00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:50,200
itself.

673
00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:50,680
Right.

674
00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:52,000
So talk to your friends.

675
00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:53,800
Talk to your family.

676
00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:55,000
Talk to your colleagues.

677
00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:57,720
Anyone who will listen, share what you're learning,

678
00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:00,560
ask questions, be open to different perspectives.

679
00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:02,400
Sometimes just those casual conversations

680
00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:03,760
can really spark some change.

681
00:21:03,760 --> 00:21:04,600
I think so too.

682
00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:05,080
OK.

683
00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:08,160
So as we wrap up this deep dive into B-Star

684
00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:11,240
and this constantly evolving world of AI,

685
00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:13,600
I want to leave our listeners with one final thought.

686
00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:14,280
OK.

687
00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:16,840
What kind of world do you want to create with AI?

688
00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:18,200
That's a really great question.

689
00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:20,640
And I don't know that there's a simple answer.

690
00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:24,720
But I think by staying engaged and informed and curious,

691
00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:26,520
we can all play a part in making sure

692
00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:28,200
that AI is used for good.

693
00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:28,880
Well said.

694
00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:30,200
And for those of you listening who

695
00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:32,640
want to learn more about B-Star and the research

696
00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:34,360
that we talked about today, you can find links

697
00:21:34,360 --> 00:21:37,280
to the original paper and other resources in the show notes.

698
00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:38,920
Thanks for joining us, everyone.

699
00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:41,960
Until next time, keep exploring, keep learning,

700
00:21:41,960 --> 00:22:08,040
and keep asking those big questions.

