and so delighted to have Hal Lindsey as my guest
again today. I tell you very frankly, I could
sit for hours talking with this man. I just love
it. We have so much in common. I'd rather talk
about the things of God. than to do anything
else in the whole world. I'm delighted to have
you as my guest. You're most interesting. We
have so much in common. The greatest thing in
the world, God's Word. And you're so scriptural.
You know, sometimes I feel that I've stood alone
so long, so many years on some of these things.
And then when I find somebody like you, to whom
God has given this wonderful interpretation,
I think, my word, how does he know the same things
that I know, you know? One thing is sure, Al,
I'm going to stay with it and see this thing
through to the end. And we're so near the end,
we're going to see it through, believe me. We've
been talking about the Book of the Bible prophecy
and... Nations being lined up and the things
that are happening. But God has also given a
warning over and over again whenever the Word
of God speaks of this hour in which we are living.
The closing moments of this dispensation. This,
the time of the end of the Gentiles. He warns
us of this great deception. You know, this is
why I've... written another book. I'm almost
finished with it. What are you going to call
it? Another crazy title. Satan is alive and well
on planet Earth. And don't underestimate the
power of Satan. Well, after starting to write
this a year and a half ago, I certainly don't
underestimate it anymore. I found out he really
was alive and well. But you know, I have seen
for some time a peculiar phenomenon taking place
on the college campus. I've been speaking on
campuses in Canada, the United States, and Mexico
for the last 12 years. And up until about 1968,
the academic community and the world at large
was what you might call rationalistic. They didn't
accept the possibility of extrasensory things,
perception in this area. And then along around
1968, there was a tremendous turnaround, almost
without explanation. the students began to dabble
in witchcraft and the occult. Even professors
began to experiment with ESP, and the respectable
name nowadays is parapsychology. And I understand
that the inventor of the Xerox copier, Chester
Carlson, donated millions of dollars to the parapsychology
department at Duke University because, according
to an account I read in a newspaper, Some time
ago, he got his idea for the Xerox copier from
a spirit that spoke to him while he was in his
laboratory. And from the description, I don't
believe it was the spirit of God. But we find
today as we go around and we see the activity
going on in the youth culture, a tremendous turning
toward experimentation and the occult and witchcraft.
And we find a tremendous explosion. of people
turning to Satan worship. And this is just not
the lunatic fringe. We find that there are people
who are experimenting with how to know the future.
A tremendous increase in astrology. A number
of people who claim to be modern -day prophets.
And indeed, they have predicted some things that
have come true. And it's going to be a very popular
theme. Oh, indeed. And few people are speaking
out against it. That's right. Because few people
understand. Well, I believe that this is all
just another part of this whole prophetic picture.
Because Jesus warned us in the 24th chapter of
Matthew as he talked about a progression of general
signs. And he said these would be like birth
pangs. They would become more frequent and more
intense, just as birth pangs. And he said there
would be such things as wars and rumors of wars.
Well, we've always had war. But the idea of the
birth pang makes it understandable. They would
become more frequent and more severe. He said
there would be great earthquakes. I just read
a scientific treatise on this which showed that
earthquakes in the last decade have increased
so phenomenally over all records of the past
that it's without scientific explanation. Well,
Jesus said this would just be one of the many
signs. And then he said that there would be great
famines. Now, you know, I've read so many articles
about the population explosion and the danger
of the air pollution and all of this. But I have
read accounts where scientists say it's a mathematical
certainty that the greatest famines in the history
of the world will begin somewhere around 1975.
In fact, they call it the age of famines. Well,
all of these things are a buildup toward the
end, toward the climactic events that will lead
to the greatest event of all, of course, and
that's the snatching out of all of those who
believe in Jesus before the great tribulation
of the seven years, and then Christ comes back
to the earth to recycle the earth, as I like
to say. He's given us all of these warnings.
Really, any thinking man, any thinking woman,
any human being with an open mind. Can't miss
it. It's there. But you know, I have been increasingly
apprehensive in my spirit for those who know
Jesus Christ. Because Jesus warned in the 24th
verse of the 24th chapter of Matthew. He said,
For false messiahs and false prophets will arise
and will show great signs and wonders so as to
mislead, if possible, even the elect. Now, I
believe that we're seeing real miracles happening
today in the power of Satan. I believe that Bishop
Pike, for instance, really made contact with
a real spiritual being when he talks about contacting
Paul Tillich and his son in seances. And Reverend
Arthur Ford, who is now dead, he and Bishop Pike
on a... nationwide television program actually
made contact in a seance with spirits from beyond.
There are many incidences among the youth culture
with which I'm familiar, which can only be explained
as the working of spiritual powers. I've seen
among the Jesus people, those who seem to have
gifts that the Holy Spirit gives, which I believe
he gives today. They have had experiences which
they thought was speaking in tongues. I believe
there is a genuine, but I believe there's also
a counterfeit. Always, wherever there is a genuine,
I don't care what it is, wherever there's a genuine,
there's always a counterfeit. Even when the great
world leader comes, who in reality... will be
Satan incarnate, a counterfeit of Jesus Christ.
We must always remember that. I think that's
the reason that the Bible warns us of great deception.
And let's talk about these young people for just
a second, Hal, because you deal with them. I
deal with them. Just love them. I think they
all know how crazy I am about them. I just think
they're wonderful. And we recognize the fact
that this is the last youth's generation before
the rapture of the church. And God is pouring
out of His Spirit upon them. Not only a few.
Nobody's going to stop it because this is something
of God. This is the movement of the Holy Spirit.
This is God's mercy upon them. But they do not
realize that there is also a counterfeit in the
movement. Anything that denies the deity and
divinity of Jesus Christ, anything that leaves
out the blood of the Son of the Living God, because
it's the blood that maketh an atonement for the
soul, anything that disregards the supernatural
resurrection of Jesus Christ is not Christian.
That's true. It's just the opposite. It's the
wrong spirit. If only we could teach these young
people. Well, you know, I spoke to one of the
leading psychics of our day. And this person
has a phenomenal record of predictions. But the
one thing that troubled me is that in the books
that this person has written, the atonement is
left out. That is, she has not clearly made...
the issue that we must believe in the fact that
Christ died for our sins to be saved in this
book, and this made it suspect to me. But this
person has made a number of remarkable predictions,
but she's also missed on a number. And according
to the Bible, if a prophet is a prophet of God,
he cannot miss. In Deuteronomy chapter 18, Moses,
who was the first great writing prophet, laid
down the test of a true prophet of God. He said,
when a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord,
if the thing comes to pass, this is the word
which the Lord has spoken. But if it does not
come to pass, then in Israel they stone them
to death. Well, there are many prophets today
who make astounding predictions, but they are
not 100 % accurate. And I've heard them say,
well, some of the plans have been. And some are
the revelations of God, but no prophet of God
could ever hedge his bet like that. The Holy
Spirit is always right. Always right. Always.
The thing that I feel so strongly about today
is that we're warned that in the last days, Satan
would be permitted to come in with miracles.
In the book of Thessalonians, it says that there
would be a great period where Satan would be
allowed to work signs and wonders. and uh all
of this in the power of satan so every miracle
that we see is not necessarily of god we have
to come back to the book we have to carefully
examine and i believe the acid test is what you
said whether they believe in the deity of christ
and whether they believe in the truth of the
gospel and not just that christ died for our
sins but it's faith in that alone Let's say.
And in his supernatural resurrection. There's
your final poop. Let's get back to Satan. Not
that I enjoy talking about him because I never
talk. I seldom, let's say it like that. I seldom
speak of Satan because I guess I just dislike
him so much. I don't want to give him that much
glory. But we must face the fact that there is
a Satan. There is a devil. And never underestimate
his power. And there is only one power that is
greater than Satan's power, and that's the power
of God. When you realize the knowledge that he
has, he knows Jesus, the Son of God, better than
either one of us. He knows the Bible better than
us. He knows the Bible. Hell, Lindsay, that is
one thing that people must understand. Satan
knows the Word of God. He knows the Bible. He
can quote the Word of God. He can quote it better
than either one of us. That's why I feel so very
definitely that especially the young people,
and those no matter what age, but they're young
in Christ, need to be warned not to open themselves
up to the spiritual world and turn off their
minds, because we're warned to try the spirits
to see if they be of God. And I believe that
Satan, through his army of demons, can counterfeit
our experiences with the Spirit. But we must
test these by the Scripture. Is this experience
leading me to Christ and a devotion to Him? Is
it leading me to take the whole Word of God,
or am I leaving some out? And I just believe
this is the warning that we need today. I'm so
glad you're writing this new book. I think it's
so needed. What are you going to call it? Satan
is alive and well on planet Earth. We both know
he's very much alive. How do we get through?
How do we get across to not only the young people,
but older folk alike? Well, you know, I find
that most of the young people today really believe
that Satan's alive. I've talked to young people
who were on LSD and had been on heroin, and they
all testified that they had seen the devil on
trips. And many of them had been so frightened
that that's what started them to look for Christ,
because they saw the reality of the devil. It's
a strange phenomena. But the thing that I'm teaching
now, and I have a school with some other men
called the Jesus Christ Light and Power Company
next to UCLA, and we're teaching them in depth
in the scripture. But we're seeking to teach
above all that though Satan is real and he's
powerful, that Jesus Christ has all power in
heaven and earth, and that every person who has
believed in him is in union with him, and we
share his authority. And in the name of Jesus,
Satan has to bow. We can command that authority
today. We can speak with authority, and we can
conquer in that name. Genuine and the counterfeit
sometimes are so close. There's such a thin line
between the two. Satan will even acknowledge
the deity of Jesus when he stood face to face
with Jesus. He even acknowledged that he was
the Son of God. Yes, he did. But it's another
thing to accept him in the forgiveness of our
sins and having the indwelling Christ within
us. This warning needs to be gotten out. The
Bible said, be not deceived, be not deceived.
This great deception. and is creeping into our
churches, not only in our youth movements, in
our churches. It's really amazing how much deception
there is abroad in the church today because in
the old line churches, they deny the existence
of Satan, and he loves that disguise. When people
don't believe he exists, he can have a field
day. I believe that we're entering a period when
people have to admit and wake up. I was reading
an article in the L .A. Times just last week
where it says that the Church of England is now
conducting courses in exorcism. And I'd like
to quote. It says, The need for the restoration
of the practice of exorcism to its proper place
is becoming steadily more urgent and more evident,
wrote the Most Reverend Robert Mortimer. In his
report of a 10 -year unofficial study, the church
knows little about the occult today, even though
more Britons are turning toward black magic as
their interest in traditional religion declines.
And I thought that that was a very unusual departure
for the Church of England because traditionally
they, of late, just left Satan completely out
of their thinking. Yes, I mean. I'm going to
stick with the Word. And so am I. I'm going to
stick. If it isn't in the Word, if it isn't in
the Bible, I'm just not going to accept it. If
ever there was a time when you needed to get
back to the Word, the Bible, you'll never be
led astray. I promise you. We promise you today.
You'll never be led astray if you stay with the
Word. This comes from the highest authority in
heaven and earth. If it isn't in the Word, don't
accept it. Don't add to. Don't take from. I'm
staking my very life. I'm staking everything
I have on the Word. His Word. These are exciting
days. These are important days. These are trying
days. These are days of sifting. Be sure, my
friend, that you know Him, the very Son of the
Living God. Be sure. very sure that his spirit
bears witness with your spirit. He will never
lead you astray.