WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:04.780 You and I have been having a series of heart 00:00:04.780 --> 00:00:07.919 -to -heart talks on something that's very personal. 00:00:09.800 --> 00:00:15.839 It's personal with me. It's something very personal 00:00:15.839 --> 00:00:22.960 so far as you are concerned. Why are we following 00:00:22.960 --> 00:00:33.049 Jesus? What is your motive? Why do I work as 00:00:33.049 --> 00:00:35.609 hard as I work? And you've heard me say over 00:00:35.609 --> 00:00:40.649 and over again, nobody could pay me enough in 00:00:40.649 --> 00:00:44.049 dollars and cents. There's not enough money that 00:00:44.049 --> 00:00:50.229 anyone could offer me as a salary to work as 00:00:50.229 --> 00:00:59.490 hard as I work every day of my life. No. no organization, 00:00:59.829 --> 00:01:09.890 no institution could offer me a paycheck big 00:01:09.890 --> 00:01:18.390 enough to make me work the way I work. And those 00:01:18.390 --> 00:01:22.950 who are associated with me know it better than 00:01:22.950 --> 00:01:26.510 anyone else and know how hard I really work. 00:01:29.719 --> 00:01:32.439 Why, Catherine Kuhlman, do you work the way you 00:01:32.439 --> 00:01:40.680 do? I have been called a fool for working the 00:01:40.680 --> 00:01:44.819 way I do for my consecration to the Lord Jesus 00:01:44.819 --> 00:01:53.340 Christ. Why? What is my motive? What is my purpose? 00:01:54.040 --> 00:02:04.530 Why am I following Jesus? Out of choice. I am 00:02:04.530 --> 00:02:10.250 not compelled to do it. I am not forced to do 00:02:10.250 --> 00:02:16.370 it. I'm doing it out of choice. I have made the 00:02:16.370 --> 00:02:23.610 decision. What is your motive for following him? 00:02:26.160 --> 00:02:29.520 Today will be my last heart -to -heart talk in 00:02:29.520 --> 00:02:32.139 this series of messages, and I pray that before 00:02:32.139 --> 00:02:38.639 I will have left you, you will be able to give 00:02:38.639 --> 00:02:49.259 the answer. God knows. I do not know. You may 00:02:49.259 --> 00:02:52.280 not fully understand yourself, but one thing 00:02:52.280 --> 00:02:57.479 I know, God knows why. I have made this choice. 00:02:59.039 --> 00:03:02.080 Knowing you better than you know yourself, he 00:03:02.080 --> 00:03:08.759 knows your motive for following him. The day 00:03:08.759 --> 00:03:12.280 after having fed the 5 ,000, and they were still 00:03:12.280 --> 00:03:19.280 following him, he suddenly turned and said to 00:03:19.280 --> 00:03:24.400 them, Ye seek me not because you saw the miracles, 00:03:25.210 --> 00:03:30.870 but because ye did eat of the loaves and were 00:03:30.870 --> 00:03:37.110 filled. He was saying to them, very frankly, 00:03:37.330 --> 00:03:41.110 I know your motive, I know your purpose in following 00:03:41.110 --> 00:03:44.349 me. You're following me for the loaves and the 00:03:44.349 --> 00:03:49.289 fishes. Labor not for the meat that perishes, 00:03:49.530 --> 00:03:54.530 but for that meat. which endureth unto everlasting 00:03:54.530 --> 00:04:03.550 life. Let us not deceive ourselves. The fact 00:04:03.550 --> 00:04:05.849 that thousands press their way to the scene of 00:04:05.849 --> 00:04:08.530 miracles is no sign that they're hungry for God. 00:04:08.650 --> 00:04:12.889 I know that. I'm very conscious of that fact. 00:04:13.849 --> 00:04:19.939 What a God they were! Would the God that every 00:04:19.939 --> 00:04:22.720 person that crosses the threshold of worship 00:04:22.720 --> 00:04:26.480 or every time the doors are open to a great service, 00:04:26.620 --> 00:04:31.800 that every person who sits in these great auditoriums 00:04:31.800 --> 00:04:36.519 were there because they were hungry for God, 00:04:36.680 --> 00:04:41.019 hungry for the spiritual, hungry for the word 00:04:41.019 --> 00:04:45.600 of everlasting life. I'd give anything in the 00:04:45.600 --> 00:04:54.259 world. If I knew that there was a spiritual hunger 00:04:54.259 --> 00:04:58.000 in the heart of each one, but I know better than 00:04:58.000 --> 00:05:02.720 that, there are still those who are following 00:05:02.720 --> 00:05:10.480 him for the loaves and the fishes. When the miracle 00:05:10.480 --> 00:05:15.399 fails to lead one past the satisfaction of human 00:05:15.399 --> 00:05:20.930 hunger or spiritual relief, And does that bring 00:05:20.930 --> 00:05:27.009 him in touch with the bread of life? It has lost 00:05:27.009 --> 00:05:37.810 its purpose. And it's just like that. Remember 00:05:37.810 --> 00:05:43.310 that wonderful scripture? When Jesus said to 00:05:43.310 --> 00:05:47.230 the seven day that day, Behold, I give unto you 00:05:47.230 --> 00:05:52.579 power to tread on serpents, and scorpions and 00:05:52.579 --> 00:05:57.139 over all the power of the enemy and nothing shall 00:05:57.139 --> 00:06:03.180 by any means hurt you. That was power. That was 00:06:03.180 --> 00:06:09.120 real authority. But he knew the weakness of human 00:06:09.120 --> 00:06:15.720 nature. He knew that they could be just weak 00:06:15.720 --> 00:06:20.560 enough to glory in that power. that was theirs 00:06:20.560 --> 00:06:27.360 as heirs of God and joint heirs with himself. 00:06:27.720 --> 00:06:32.180 Therefore he quickly added, Notwithstanding, 00:06:32.220 --> 00:06:39.420 in this rejoice not that the spirits are subject 00:06:39.420 --> 00:06:43.540 unto you, but rather rejoice because your names 00:06:43.540 --> 00:06:47.540 are written in heaven. Now, the fact that power 00:06:47.540 --> 00:06:49.879 was given to the Seventh -day to triumph over 00:06:49.879 --> 00:06:52.620 sickness and disease was wonderful. Oh, it was 00:06:52.620 --> 00:06:56.620 truly wonderful. It was divine. But this is what 00:06:56.620 --> 00:07:00.459 Jesus was saying, and you and I have to get back 00:07:00.459 --> 00:07:06.019 again to the spiritual vision. Sometimes I think 00:07:06.019 --> 00:07:09.199 that there are still those who are following 00:07:09.199 --> 00:07:13.519 him because they are being attracted to him. 00:07:13.839 --> 00:07:21.379 through their senses. To triumph over man's nature, 00:07:21.620 --> 00:07:28.279 his sin, his moral condition, was far more lasting 00:07:28.279 --> 00:07:33.800 than just something that was temporal. Go back 00:07:33.800 --> 00:07:42.769 again. Even the sick whom Christ healed died 00:07:42.769 --> 00:07:50.129 at last, you cannot find where there was even 00:07:50.129 --> 00:07:55.009 one who was healed during the ministry of Jesus. 00:07:57.350 --> 00:08:03.870 Continue to live and live and live. Sooner or 00:08:03.870 --> 00:08:09.730 later, every person, even though that one was 00:08:09.730 --> 00:08:15.899 healed, By the supernatural power, everyone, 00:08:16.279 --> 00:08:23.639 sooner or later, had to meet death. And after 00:08:23.639 --> 00:08:28.019 death, there was the life beyond, there was eternity 00:08:28.019 --> 00:08:34.039 that each one had to face. A miracle upon the 00:08:34.039 --> 00:08:37.899 physical, the natural plane is, after all, fleeting, 00:08:38.059 --> 00:08:43.250 vanishes. but not so in the realm of the spirit. 00:08:45.169 --> 00:08:48.309 The miracle wrought every time a soul is born 00:08:48.309 --> 00:08:51.190 again. Well, when God by his spirit triumphs 00:08:51.190 --> 00:08:53.870 over the old creation and he brings a trusting 00:08:53.870 --> 00:08:57.309 heart into a fuller realization of divine life 00:08:57.309 --> 00:09:01.690 is something that's lasting. It endures forever 00:09:01.690 --> 00:09:07.169 and ever and ever. I shall never forget. The 00:09:07.169 --> 00:09:11.190 experience I had one night while I was preaching 00:09:11.190 --> 00:09:18.289 in Sweden. The thousands had come. They'd filled 00:09:18.289 --> 00:09:22.149 the great sports arenas. And there they were 00:09:22.149 --> 00:09:29.110 on one side. The press. The photographers. The 00:09:29.110 --> 00:09:32.149 reporters. They were there from the television 00:09:32.149 --> 00:09:34.649 station. They were there from the radio station. 00:09:36.700 --> 00:09:38.899 And suddenly, as the Spirit of the Living God 00:09:38.899 --> 00:09:42.480 came upon me, and I knew that there were thousands 00:09:42.480 --> 00:09:47.720 there waiting for the miracle to take place in 00:09:47.720 --> 00:09:52.559 the physical body, I turned to a little lady 00:09:52.559 --> 00:09:55.679 who was on a stretcher. I shall never forget 00:09:55.679 --> 00:10:01.960 it. The experience was almost overwhelming, and 00:10:01.960 --> 00:10:04.559 I do not believe that I'd ever done it before. 00:10:05.659 --> 00:10:08.720 I do not know whether I shall ever be led of 00:10:08.720 --> 00:10:12.200 the spirit to do it again. But under that wonderful 00:10:12.200 --> 00:10:17.220 anointing, I turned to that woman lying there 00:10:17.220 --> 00:10:20.860 on that stretcher and I said, there's something 00:10:20.860 --> 00:10:27.320 far greater than the healing of that physical 00:10:27.320 --> 00:10:34.779 body. One touch from the master's hand, one touch. 00:10:38.059 --> 00:10:43.279 By the power of the Holy Spirit. And he can lift 00:10:43.279 --> 00:10:48.860 you from off of that stretcher. And you can be 00:10:48.860 --> 00:11:00.200 instantly healed physically. But there's a healing 00:11:00.200 --> 00:11:07.100 that is far greater. The healing of that body 00:11:07.100 --> 00:11:12.620 of yours is something that's only temporal, that's 00:11:12.620 --> 00:11:17.659 all. It's something that's as fleeting as this 00:11:17.659 --> 00:11:25.899 earthly life. But he gives to you something that's 00:11:25.899 --> 00:11:32.500 far greater than the physical healing. He'll 00:11:32.500 --> 00:11:38.899 give you life eternal. He'll give you that eternal 00:11:38.899 --> 00:11:48.000 water. The water that I shall give unto you is 00:11:48.000 --> 00:11:52.059 eternal life. You and I can afford, beloved, 00:11:52.120 --> 00:11:56.080 to go through this old life with pain and suffering 00:11:56.080 --> 00:11:59.580 and disease. We can afford to go through it. 00:12:07.309 --> 00:12:10.850 But there is a healing that's far greater than 00:12:10.850 --> 00:12:15.210 the healing of the physical. There is a spiritual 00:12:15.210 --> 00:12:23.370 healing that's far greater. To rejoice in the 00:12:23.370 --> 00:12:26.129 fact that God has touched my physical body and 00:12:26.129 --> 00:12:30.450 wrought a miracle is one thing, and that's glorious. 00:12:31.049 --> 00:12:34.639 I appreciate it with every atom of my... being 00:12:34.639 --> 00:12:37.940 I appreciated, I would not minimize that for 00:12:37.940 --> 00:12:43.539 anything in the world. But to know that my name 00:12:43.539 --> 00:12:47.360 was written in the Lamb's Book of Life, and that 00:12:47.360 --> 00:12:52.460 I am born of the Spirit of God, is greater, is 00:12:52.460 --> 00:12:55.720 far greater than that. At the close of the Great 00:12:55.720 --> 00:12:59.840 Service in Toronto, Canada. And the reporter 00:12:59.840 --> 00:13:04.399 may be listening to me this very moment. But 00:13:04.399 --> 00:13:07.580 when the very first things that was asked me, 00:13:07.679 --> 00:13:12.440 after the service had ended and I was being interviewed, 00:13:13.480 --> 00:13:17.720 Miss Kuhlman, what about those who left the great 00:13:17.720 --> 00:13:22.320 service today and were disappointed because they 00:13:22.320 --> 00:13:26.179 were not healed? What about it? I said, sir, 00:13:26.440 --> 00:13:32.370 if you noticed very carefully. I made a very 00:13:32.370 --> 00:13:34.610 definite statement after the miracle service. 00:13:36.330 --> 00:13:41.629 I said, we're coming now to the greatest part 00:13:41.629 --> 00:13:45.549 of the service, something that's far greater 00:13:45.549 --> 00:13:50.610 than the healing of the physical. Jesus said, 00:13:50.710 --> 00:13:57.470 ye must be born again. I said, sir, there's a 00:13:57.470 --> 00:14:01.889 miracle that's far greater. than the healing 00:14:01.889 --> 00:14:05.350 of the physical. That is the reason there is 00:14:05.350 --> 00:14:09.230 never a miracle service without that altar call. 00:14:09.549 --> 00:14:13.169 And giving men and women a chance to accept the 00:14:13.169 --> 00:14:17.769 Christ as their Savior, that's the greatest healing 00:14:17.769 --> 00:14:22.509 in the world. Even those who were healed during 00:14:22.509 --> 00:14:26.350 the ministry of Jesus had to die sooner or later. 00:14:27.919 --> 00:14:31.559 And then the only thing that mattered was their 00:14:31.559 --> 00:14:40.820 spiritual healing. Why is it that it's harder 00:14:40.820 --> 00:14:44.419 to realize this truth and to enter into the spiritual 00:14:44.419 --> 00:14:48.220 phases of the subject of miracles as Christ desires 00:14:48.220 --> 00:14:51.500 us to do? I wonder if it's not due to the fact 00:14:51.500 --> 00:14:57.059 that, even as Christians, we're too much... Creatures 00:14:57.059 --> 00:15:03.039 of sense. God has given us the body in which 00:15:03.039 --> 00:15:10.759 we tabernacle are, in which we dwell. We're given 00:15:10.759 --> 00:15:14.960 five senses which act as reporters to us concerning 00:15:14.960 --> 00:15:18.279 the world in which we live. We see, we hear, 00:15:18.340 --> 00:15:22.940 we smell, we taste. And somehow the natural man 00:15:22.940 --> 00:15:27.639 conducts his life accordingly. He orders his 00:15:27.639 --> 00:15:32.720 steps, lives what we call the natural of the 00:15:32.720 --> 00:15:39.080 physical life. These senses were in the original 00:15:39.080 --> 00:15:44.700 purpose of God. We know that. Sure, that's true. 00:15:45.220 --> 00:15:52.840 But sometimes I think we become prisoners, servants 00:15:52.840 --> 00:16:00.559 to the natural. We become prisoners to our senses. 00:16:03.139 --> 00:16:08.679 Man is held a prisoner to a sense life. And this 00:16:08.679 --> 00:16:12.220 is a hindrance which we have from our ancestors 00:16:12.220 --> 00:16:18.679 and sometimes we call it our old creation. It 00:16:18.679 --> 00:16:24.820 is governed by sight or the report. of our senses. 00:16:26.179 --> 00:16:32.379 But the spiritual life, the supernatural life, 00:16:32.539 --> 00:16:38.980 the life of a consecrated man or woman is above 00:16:38.980 --> 00:16:45.899 the natural. We're now as Christians introduced 00:16:45.899 --> 00:16:52.190 into another realm elevated by the spirit. onto 00:16:52.190 --> 00:16:58.169 another plane where faith is the governing law 00:16:58.169 --> 00:17:03.330 or the governing power. It's the work of the 00:17:03.330 --> 00:17:07.329 Spirit in our lives today to bring us out from 00:17:07.329 --> 00:17:15.470 the bondage, out of the natural, controlled by 00:17:15.470 --> 00:17:20.190 the Spirit of the living God. It's one of the... 00:17:20.490 --> 00:17:22.430 hardest things in the world to get men and women 00:17:22.430 --> 00:17:25.869 to see it. It's one of the most difficult things 00:17:25.869 --> 00:17:30.029 in the world to tell you how to enter into this 00:17:30.029 --> 00:17:35.829 spiritual realm. But I can tell you one thing. 00:17:36.869 --> 00:17:42.069 You will know when you have reached this spiritual 00:17:42.069 --> 00:17:48.450 realm when you can honestly Look yourself directly 00:17:48.450 --> 00:17:53.369 in the face and say, my motive for following 00:17:53.369 --> 00:18:03.950 Jesus is simply because I love him. I'm not following 00:18:03.950 --> 00:18:08.529 him for the loaves and the fishes. I'm not following 00:18:08.529 --> 00:18:13.769 him because of the reward that is mine in the 00:18:13.769 --> 00:18:20.299 hereafter. I am not following him because of 00:18:20.299 --> 00:18:25.660 what he can give me and what it is profit unto 00:18:25.660 --> 00:18:32.279 me. Oh, somehow I pray the Holy Spirit can make 00:18:32.279 --> 00:18:38.000 this real to your heart. If for just one minute 00:18:38.000 --> 00:18:41.200 I can take the lid off of my own heart and tell 00:18:41.200 --> 00:18:44.960 you something, I do not know how better to... 00:18:46.440 --> 00:18:54.980 Say it. Not for one minute do I ever think of 00:18:54.980 --> 00:19:03.940 the reward beyond the grave. I mean exactly that. 00:19:04.400 --> 00:19:08.720 I tell you very frankly, I have my reward here 00:19:08.720 --> 00:19:15.609 and now. Every time I stand by the side of a 00:19:15.609 --> 00:19:18.470 man who's been delivered from liquor, every time 00:19:18.470 --> 00:19:27.849 I stand beside a little family who have accepted 00:19:27.849 --> 00:19:33.630 the Christ as their Savior, every time one has 00:19:33.630 --> 00:19:35.569 been wonderfully healed by the power of God and 00:19:35.569 --> 00:19:37.829 I just look in their faces and see the joy and 00:19:37.829 --> 00:19:42.279 the satisfaction there, I have my reward. Ask 00:19:42.279 --> 00:19:51.140 for nothing more. As God is my judge, if Jesus 00:19:51.140 --> 00:19:56.779 were standing here right now, I can look into 00:19:56.779 --> 00:20:01.579 his face and say, I'm following you because I 00:20:01.579 --> 00:20:06.619 love you. I work the way I do because I'm grateful 00:20:06.619 --> 00:20:12.319 for what you've done for me. I'm so glad that 00:20:12.319 --> 00:20:17.960 my sins are forgiven. I'm so grateful that I've 00:20:17.960 --> 00:20:21.359 passed from death unto life. I'm so grateful 00:20:21.359 --> 00:20:27.599 for peace of mind and for peace of soul. I'm 00:20:27.599 --> 00:20:32.559 so grateful for the privilege of knowing the 00:20:32.559 --> 00:20:39.700 love of God. I'm so grateful for the communion. 00:20:42.250 --> 00:20:50.289 that I have with the Holy Spirit. I'm so grateful. 00:20:53.269 --> 00:20:57.990 Whatever is for me, after the heart takes its 00:20:57.990 --> 00:21:04.470 last beat, I would be so contented with. But 00:21:04.470 --> 00:21:09.809 I'm not serving you for the reward. I'm serving 00:21:09.809 --> 00:21:15.670 you Simply because I love you.