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I hope you're having a good day. This is Dave

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from the podcast and welcome. This is a talk

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by Catherine on Tongues and using 1 Corinthians

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14 and using 1 Corinthians 13 and Acts chapter

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2. Let me just say something. Lord help me with

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this. Thank you. This talk was scheduled before

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a lot of the last days people joined this channel.

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And before Brandon Biggs said, go check out this

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Kathryn Kuhlman talk and this channel, this talk

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emphasizes a lot, talks a lot about speaking

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in tongues in public. And Brandon, if you're

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ever to listen to this or your people here, I

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just want to let you know that this talk was

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scheduled to be put up before Brandon mentioned

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my channel. So it's not me like taking a look

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at Brandon's channel and saying, what the heck

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is going on here? Let me dig up a talk on 1 Corinthians

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14. No, this one was already ready to go. almost

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ready to go. It was already scheduled. So let

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me just say that. It's not directed towards anybody

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initially. But on the other hand, if a shoe fits,

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put it on. That's a popular saying where in a

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church I used to sit under a prophet and she

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would say that and we would all chuckle. But

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it's true too. If, you know, the Holy Spirit

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convicts you of it, or if the shoe fits and it

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speaks to you, then put it on. Amen. Trust me.

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I do that too. And I'm blessed to have the people

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who have rebuked me. And it's always done, my

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pastor is a saint at this. It's always done meekly

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and gently and with love. And always erring on

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the caution side of make sure your heart is right

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if you're going to do that. And so there may

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be some of that, Brandon, but I just want to

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say this is not initially my intention or me

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digging up something intentional. This was already

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scheduled to rock and roll late last week. So

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it is what it is. Check it out. Let me see. I

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don't want to leave a long message. I really

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don't. I'm going to mention one thing, though.

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There's churches that say they believe in speaking

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in tongues and prophecy, but there is none of

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the gifts working. And that's a problem. And

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Catherine forbade speaking in tongues in her

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healing ministries. in her services and that's

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like an extreme that's not good um and um the

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other extreme is uh probably anything goes an

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atmosphere where anything goes and we don't pay

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attention to first corinthians 14. um and that's

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not good that's not biblical that's not paul

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um One of the things that Catherine brings out

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here that is so awesome, two things that she

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brings out in regards to tongues. Paul teaches

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if there's no interpreter present, then don't

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teach, don't speak in tongues. But then Catherine,

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and I won't steal her thunder, her message, but

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then Catherine points out that some of the talks

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that we... do, and some of the things that are

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said in Pentecostal meetings are actually an

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interpretation of the tongues that have been

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spoken. It's just not articulated as this is

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an interpretation. And that's an interesting

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concept. I really like that. So it's just something

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maybe to keep our radars out on if they're speaking

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in tongues. and there's no official um this is

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an interpretation from the lord you know nobody

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stands up and says this is what was what was

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said um then look for an informal um an incognito

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interpretation of tongues because it might be

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there um and um i want to say too that the One

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of the best churches that I've ever seen doing

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this, and I only went to the church one or two

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times, was that they set a microphone up. And

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people could go to the front of the church and

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give an interpretation. And that's an interesting

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way of doing things. And go to the church, up

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to the front of the church and give a prophecy.

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That's an interesting way to do it. But it doesn't

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always happen that way. And a lot of times the

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Spirit will... The Spirit will do what the Spirit

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will do. You know what I mean? Praise God. And

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it's wonderful. And we don't want to inhibit

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the Holy Spirit in any way. And lastly, Catherine

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Tice has talked back in with the concept of love.

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Speaking in tongues isn't done out of love. Interpreting

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or lack of interpreting is not done out of love.

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then what are we doing? Then we're going to need

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to back up, back up and get our hearts right.

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So anyway, I don't want to leave a long message

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here. So here's Catherine. God bless you guys.

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Have a great day. Bye -bye. You and I are in

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a series of heart -to -heart talks. regarding

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something that has gotten to be very controversial,

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and yet it should not be so. There are many folks

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the very first time one speaks regarding the

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Holy Spirit who become almost frightened, and

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the first question they'll ask, do you believe

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in speaking in an unknown tongue? If you're asking

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that question of me personally, My answer will

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be yes. And I have to believe in speaking in

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an unknown tongue because the Bible teaches it.

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And as I told you in a previous Heart to Heart

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talk, the 14th chapter of 1 Corinthians is the

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basic chapter regarding the subject of speaking

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in an unknown tongue. I've come to the conclusion

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a long time ago that we need... some good old

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-fashioned teaching when it comes to the person

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of the Holy Spirit, the work of the Holy Spirit,

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the manifestations of the Holy Spirit. And that's

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what we're trying to do in these little heart

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-to -heart talks. And everything must be based

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on the Word of God. If I say something and the

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Word teaches, Contrary to what I say, remember,

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the Bible is always absolute authority. Before

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we turn to the 14th chapter of 1 Corinthians,

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I know that the portion of the Word of God that

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is most familiar to you when it comes to the

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subject of the speaking in an unknown tongue

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is in the 2nd chapter of Acts. We read that on

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the day of Pentecost, the Spirit appeared in

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the form of fire, in the shape of tongues upon

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the heads of the assembled people. And then we

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read that they were all filled with the Spirit,

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and they began to speak with other tongues as

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the Spirit gave them. Alright, go on then in

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the history and the Acts of the Apostles once

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more to the 10th chapter where we find the wonderful

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story of Peter in the house of Cornelius. When

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there the spirits fell, it is said that they

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received the gift of tongues. Now go a little

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further and in the 19th chapter the account of

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Paul's coming to Ephesus and finding there a

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group of disciples, he asked them the question,

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Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed?

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And they said, Nay, we did not so much as hear

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whether the Holy Spirit was given. Sure, they'd

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been baptized into John's baptism, but when Paul

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expounded the truth and led them beyond the preaching

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of Apollos, They were filled with the Spirit.

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The Spirit came upon them, and they received

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the gift of tongues. There can be no question

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whatsoever that this was a definite experience

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and a positive gift. All right? Now, let's go

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back, if you will, please, to the 14th chapter

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of 1 Corinthians. And notice what the apostle

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teaches. In verse 2, we read these words. For

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he that speaketh in a tongue speaketh not unto

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men, but unto God. In verse 28, we read these

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words. But if there be no interpreter, let him

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keep silence in the church. and let him speak

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to himself and to God. Now this is the first

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great truth to be remembered, that the gift of

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tongues was for addressing God. It was not for

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the addressing of men. It was never given in

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order that men might preach. To put it simply,

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in our everyday language, it was given to men

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that they might praise. These voices, these tongues,

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were the utterances of glorious praise and gladness.

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Adoration. Tongues were given that they were

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to be used in addressing God. Notice another

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thing. And again I go to the second verse. He

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that speaketh in a tongue's... speaketh not unto

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men, but unto God. For no man understandeth.

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I go to verse 5. I would, Paul says, I would

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have you all speak with tongues, but rather that

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ye should prophesy. And greater is he that prophesieth

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than he that speaketh with tongues except he

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interpret. Mark that. The tongues need interpretation

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in order to be understood. Take verse 9. So also

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ye, unless ye utter by the tongue, speech easy

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to be understood, how shall it be known what

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is spoken? For ye will be speaking into the air.

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The Bible teaches that if one speaks in an unknown

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tongue in a public service, he is out of order

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unless there also be the interpretation. We have

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now two great principles in looking at this gift

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of tongues. First of all, they were to be addressed

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to God. Secondly, definitely they were incomprehensible

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to men. No one could understand them. Outsiders

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could not understand. He goes a little further

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and says that even the one who is speaking, could

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not themselves understand. Now that 14th verse,

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now that's the reason I tell you that this 14th

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chapter of 1 Corinthians is the basic chapter

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on tongues. I read from the Word. For if I pray

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in a tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding

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is unfruitful. If a man had the gift of tongues,

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he can use it in addressing God, but he does

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not understand it himself. What he is saying,

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he does not understand. Now, in the next place,

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notice this. The apostle is teaching that there

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must be interpretation if tongues be used. And

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he distinctly says that. Wherefore, let him that

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speaketh in a tongue pray that he may interpret.

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Once more, in gathering out the central statements,

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I go to verse 28. But if there be no interpreter,

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let him keep silence in the church. and let him

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speak to himself and to God. That gathers up

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the great teaching. Ponder it well. The gift

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of tongues was a gift of the Spirit. First of

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all, it is to be used in addressing God and not

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men. Secondly, it will be quite incomprehensible

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to the men who do hear. As a matter of fact,

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the one so gifted will be born up in an ecstasy

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and will utter things not understood by himself

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or herself. Further, if used in public, the gift

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of tongues demands interpretation. It's just

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like that. We must get back to the scripture.

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And if this gift is used other than is taught

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in the scripture, then that one misuses something

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that is very precious. These things are sacred.

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We cannot just use them at will as we desire.

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All demonstrations of the Spirit must be according

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to the Word of God. Otherwise, they are out of

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order. If at a public assembly, in a place of

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worship, in your church, there is one who speaks

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in an unknown tongue, and there is no... interpretation,

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that one is out of order. And it's just that

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simple. Notice carefully that in that gift of

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Pentecost, there was the mingling of two things.

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And the supreme wonder is that what then was

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uttered was understood. But it led to inquiry.

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When they heard this, they were amazed and they

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said, What meaneth this? When they heard those

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who were speaking in an unknown tongue, in that

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upper room, the crowd gathered around, the curious

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gathered around and said, What meaneth this?

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Note two things. First of all, They were conscious

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in their own languages of a company of men praising

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God. Sounding in high ecstasy, the praise is

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the most high. But they were led to inquire,

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What does this mean? An interpretation immediately

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followed. Peter, standing up, said, Be this known

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unto you, this is that which hath been spoken

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by the prophet Joel. Then he began on quoting

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from the Old Testament. Oh, this is glorious.

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Don't stop with just Acts 2 -4. See what follows.

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Read the whole thing. There's so many today who

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are just taking a portion of God's Word. you

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know most people see what they want to see most

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people read what they want to read most people

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do what they want to do when they came out and

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said what meaneth this the interpretation immediately

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followed Peter standing up said, Be this known

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unto you, this is that which hath been spoken

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by the prophet Joel. And then he went right on

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quoting. Then he began again the second division

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of his discourse. Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved

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of God unto you, he has shed forth this, which

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ye see and hear. The gift of tongues was a miracle

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in which men heard in their own language the

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praises of God. And the inquiry resulted from

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it because it was a sign puzzling them. What

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meaneth this? And Peter answered in just two

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brief sentences and it covered the whole ground.

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This is that. which hath been spoken by the prophet

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Joel. He hath poured forth this. Oh, that's wonderful.

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To me that's very thrilling. Bear one other thing

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in mind. This gift of tongues was possessed by

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Paul. Paul had the gift of tongues. Indeed, he

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says he spake with tongues more than, any of

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them. It was a real gift. Recall to mind that

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Paul himself said of an occasion upon which he

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was caught up in the third heaven, heard unspeakable

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words that it was not lawful for him to utter.

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It was a great spiritual vision of high ecstasy.

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This is all so thrilling. Believe me. Thousands

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of you are missing out on something that is so

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wonderful. And it is a part of your inheritance.

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This, what I'm talking about, is literally a

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gift that Jesus gave to his church. And if you

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are a part of his church, If you have been born

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into this wonderful body of Christ, then this

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is what I am talking about. This, of which Paul

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is speaking, is a gift to you. It's yours. And

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lo, these many years you have refused a gift

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that is so glorious. Oh, I wish I could do something

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to make this clear to you. I wish I had the ability.

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I can only pray that the Holy Spirit shall put

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this hunger into your heart. Glance at the first

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three verses of this glorious chapter, the 14th

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chapter, 1 Corinthians. The supreme matter is

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follow a... or love. Three of the gifts are in

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view. Prophecy, the gift of tongues, and the

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gift of interpretation. The supreme matter is

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love. Why do we want this gift? Why? Why do we

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want to be possessed of this gift of the Spirit?

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whether it's prophecy of tongues or the interpretation

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of tongues. Let us answer the question in the

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loneliness of our own souls. If there is any

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other desire than love, it is false. Love is

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the most excellent way, and love must control

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truth. these gifts. And it's just like that.

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Though I speak with the tongues of men and of

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angels and have not love, I am become a sounding

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brass or a tinkling cymbal. Let's get a little

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more personal. In the past months, an increasing

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number of our people, clergy and laity alike,

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have come into this glorious New Testament experience.

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Even as I'm speaking to you now, there are ministers

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listening to me who just recently have come into

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this experience. There are members of your churches

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who have just recently come into the experience

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of which I'm speaking. And in describing their

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experience, it is most interesting to hear what

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they have to say. I do not believe that these

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experiences are identical. Just like the healing

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for the physical body. Not all receive their

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physical healing in the same way when it comes

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to the new birth experience. Some receive the

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new birth experience alone in their own homes.

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Some in answering an altar call. You see, you

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just can't say how God is going to do a certain

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thing. God is bigger than all of our theology.

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I don't mean to be sacrilegious, but I do not

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know how better to express it than to just say

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you can't fence God in. You just can't fence

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the Holy Spirit in. You cannot just command the

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Holy Spirit and demand him to do it a certain

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way. Someone will say, I'll not fall under the

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power, and lo and behold, Before the words are

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even gotten out of their mouth, down they go

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under the power of God. In experiencing this

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wonderful gift of the Holy Spirit, there have

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been those who have said there has been a new

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joy in their Christian faith. Another will say

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they have found a deeper and more constant awareness

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of the Spirit's indwelling presence. Or perhaps

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another will say they have found a new freedom

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to witness to other people what Jesus means to

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them. And the baptism of the Holy Spirit is given

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for one purpose, and that purpose is to witness,

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to serve. And still another may say that they

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have a keener sense of the Spirit's guidance

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in their life. And all will agree that it has

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awakened a greater interest in the studying of

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the Bible. The Holy Spirit makes the Bible come

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alive. The Holy Spirit gives life. Now, why is

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this happening so suddenly? Why haven't we heard

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about it before, if it's such a marvelous blessing?

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I imagine that people raised the same kind of

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question when Martin Luther began to uncover

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truths of Scripture which had long been neglected.

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It's the kind of question to which we can give

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no final answer. Perhaps we have simply neglected

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part of the... Biblical revelation for speaking

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in tongues is clearly set forth in Scripture

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as a blessing and an endowment from God. It was

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widely manifested in the church for several centuries

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after the apostles and was present with some

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of the saints in the Middle Ages. The manifestation

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of... Tongues was present in Wesley's revival

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in the Quaker movement, and most recently in

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the Pentecostal movement of the past 50 years.

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Perhaps we've neglected this aspect of the biblical

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revelation, but perhaps it goes even deeper.

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Perhaps this is simply God's time. This is God's

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power. This is the Holy Spirit's power.
