WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:05.320 Today, some more of those questions. Some of 00:00:05.320 --> 00:00:07.320 you may feel that they're better than the heart 00:00:07.320 --> 00:00:10.939 -to -heart talk. Well, I would say that there 00:00:10.939 --> 00:00:13.740 were an awful lot of heart -to -heart talks all 00:00:13.740 --> 00:00:18.579 wrapped up in every one of these questions. Oh, 00:00:18.760 --> 00:00:22.780 I've just loved answering them. And I just hope 00:00:22.780 --> 00:00:25.280 and pray that you will have learned much and 00:00:25.280 --> 00:00:28.679 received much from the... answer that has been 00:00:28.679 --> 00:00:34.079 given to these questions. 42 of them. This is 00:00:34.079 --> 00:00:39.420 question number 30. What is your comment to Christians 00:00:39.420 --> 00:00:42.479 who come to your meetings and go away without 00:00:42.479 --> 00:00:48.039 having been healed? I have no comment whatsoever. 00:00:51.439 --> 00:00:57.409 Because whether that one was healed or not, was 00:00:57.409 --> 00:01:04.290 in the hands of God. At no time is it my responsibility. 00:01:05.510 --> 00:01:09.709 I am not perfect wisdom. I am not perfect knowledge. 00:01:10.170 --> 00:01:14.170 I have no healing virtue. I have never healed 00:01:14.170 --> 00:01:19.469 anyone. I have no power to heal. The whole responsibility 00:01:19.469 --> 00:01:26.010 rests in the hands of God and the individual. 00:01:27.849 --> 00:01:32.650 And it's just like that. But of course I'm human, 00:01:32.769 --> 00:01:38.769 and you'll never know how I hurt on the inside 00:01:38.769 --> 00:01:44.109 of me when the service is over with. And I see 00:01:44.109 --> 00:01:48.170 those who've come in wheelchairs being pushed 00:01:48.170 --> 00:01:52.790 into the street again in the same wheelchairs 00:01:52.790 --> 00:01:59.250 in which they came. You'll never know the ache 00:01:59.250 --> 00:02:03.450 on the inside of me, the suffering that I feel, 00:02:03.629 --> 00:02:09.629 but the answer I must leave with God. And one 00:02:09.629 --> 00:02:11.590 of these days when I get home to glory, I'm going 00:02:11.590 --> 00:02:15.150 to ask Him to give me the answer from His own 00:02:15.150 --> 00:02:20.810 lips as to why everyone is not healed. But something 00:02:20.810 --> 00:02:24.860 happened when I was in Kansas City. Uh... The 00:02:24.860 --> 00:02:30.340 Kansas City Star sent a very marvelous reporter, 00:02:30.560 --> 00:02:34.800 one of their best, to the services. I became 00:02:34.800 --> 00:02:40.740 acquainted with her. A lovely reporter. She'd 00:02:40.740 --> 00:02:46.060 been trained in New York City. And everyone knows 00:02:46.060 --> 00:02:50.780 the strength of the Kansas City Star. But the 00:02:50.780 --> 00:02:54.419 last night that I was... in the great services 00:02:54.419 --> 00:02:58.159 in Kansas City. She came back in my dressing 00:02:58.159 --> 00:03:04.060 room. She found me crying. And I just started 00:03:04.060 --> 00:03:06.460 baring my soul to her, forgetting she was a reporter. 00:03:08.479 --> 00:03:12.680 And I said, you know, people would think that 00:03:12.680 --> 00:03:15.020 after a great miracle service like this, with 00:03:15.020 --> 00:03:17.580 scores and scores having been healed, that I 00:03:17.580 --> 00:03:19.240 would be the happiest person in the whole world 00:03:19.240 --> 00:03:27.319 at a moment like this. I am grateful, as I have 00:03:27.319 --> 00:03:31.699 seen the manifestation of God's power. But I 00:03:31.699 --> 00:03:36.500 hurt and am grieved for those who were not healed. 00:03:37.860 --> 00:03:42.479 And I wonder if perhaps I had known how better 00:03:42.479 --> 00:03:45.259 to have cooperated with the Holy Spirit that 00:03:45.259 --> 00:03:49.699 more might have been accomplished for God. She 00:03:49.699 --> 00:03:57.629 saw me as a human being. She saw me weak. It 00:03:57.629 --> 00:04:01.150 was about three weeks later when I received a 00:04:01.150 --> 00:04:05.349 letter from this reporter, and she said, Catherine 00:04:05.349 --> 00:04:08.430 Kuhlman, I'm not writing as a reporter working 00:04:08.430 --> 00:04:14.590 for the Kansas City Star, but as someone who 00:04:14.590 --> 00:04:19.069 had a friend in that last service. He was an 00:04:19.069 --> 00:04:22.810 attorney dying of cancer. They brought him on 00:04:22.810 --> 00:04:29.480 a stretcher. and about a week after you left 00:04:29.480 --> 00:04:32.240 Kansas City, I went to his home, was greeted 00:04:32.240 --> 00:04:35.040 at the front door by his wife, and she said, 00:04:35.060 --> 00:04:41.639 you know, calling him by name, Tom died. But 00:04:41.639 --> 00:04:44.100 she said I was so amazed when she asked me to 00:04:44.100 --> 00:04:48.079 come in, and her face was so radiant. She said, 00:04:48.079 --> 00:04:54.920 you know, that service in the auditorium that 00:04:54.920 --> 00:04:59.790 night, was the greatest thing that happened to 00:04:59.790 --> 00:05:04.250 Tom. It was the most wonderful thing that happened 00:05:04.250 --> 00:05:10.389 to him. He was not healed. We took him back home 00:05:10.389 --> 00:05:12.750 on the same stretcher on which he was carried. 00:05:13.670 --> 00:05:19.529 But it was during that service that Tom prepared 00:05:19.529 --> 00:05:26.879 for death. It was lying on that stretcher, when 00:05:26.879 --> 00:05:30.920 the power of God was falling, that my husband 00:05:30.920 --> 00:05:35.620 Tom accepted Christ in the forgiveness of his 00:05:35.620 --> 00:05:42.060 sins. And when he died, death was so easy. It 00:05:42.060 --> 00:05:48.079 was glorious to hear him thanking Jesus for the 00:05:48.079 --> 00:05:53.009 forgiveness of his sins. And the reporter said 00:05:53.009 --> 00:05:57.990 to me, you know, Catherine Kuhlman, remember, 00:05:58.129 --> 00:06:03.410 don't weep after a service anymore. When you 00:06:03.410 --> 00:06:04.910 think there should have been greater results 00:06:04.910 --> 00:06:09.370 than the healing of sick bodies, always remember 00:06:09.370 --> 00:06:15.810 our friend Tom. The greatest miracle that could 00:06:15.810 --> 00:06:19.769 have happened to him was the salvation of his 00:06:19.769 --> 00:06:25.170 soul. No, I do not understand why everyone is 00:06:25.170 --> 00:06:30.949 not healed physically. But all can be healed 00:06:30.949 --> 00:06:35.209 spiritually. And that's the greatest miracle 00:06:35.209 --> 00:06:41.009 that any human being can know. Question number 00:06:41.009 --> 00:06:44.889 31. Do you think that there is any correlation 00:06:44.889 --> 00:06:48.810 between your ministry of healing and such phenomena 00:06:48.810 --> 00:06:57.399 as ESP? I'll be very frank with you. I know absolutely 00:06:57.399 --> 00:07:04.100 nothing about ESP. Perhaps I'm the most ignorant 00:07:04.100 --> 00:07:07.459 person in the world today, especially in public 00:07:07.459 --> 00:07:12.399 life, when it comes to the subject of ESP. I've 00:07:12.399 --> 00:07:17.860 never read a book on ESP. I have never studied 00:07:17.860 --> 00:07:23.040 it. I've always felt that I have had enough to 00:07:23.040 --> 00:07:28.399 do to study the Bible, and I just lean completely 00:07:28.399 --> 00:07:33.379 on the supernatural power of the Holy Spirit. 00:07:36.660 --> 00:07:43.980 Question number 32. Is there healing in the atonement? 00:07:44.459 --> 00:07:48.910 Did Christ die to relieve us of... Are physical 00:07:48.910 --> 00:07:53.230 as well as spiritual infirmities? Do you keep 00:07:53.230 --> 00:07:57.290 tabs on the ratio of physical and spiritual healings? 00:07:58.269 --> 00:08:01.310 Can or should a believer have one without the 00:08:01.310 --> 00:08:05.230 other? Now that, my friend, is a loaded question. 00:08:06.290 --> 00:08:09.689 Because in this question, we have about six questions 00:08:09.689 --> 00:08:16.009 all wrapped up in one. First of all, let me make 00:08:16.009 --> 00:08:20.449 it very clear. that Jesus died for the whole 00:08:20.449 --> 00:08:26.209 man, body, soul, and spirit. And man is a trinity, 00:08:26.290 --> 00:08:31.129 even as God is a trinity. The Father, the Son, 00:08:31.209 --> 00:08:35.509 the Holy Ghost. Man is a trinity, body, soul, 00:08:35.789 --> 00:08:41.590 and spirit. And he would be an unjust God if 00:08:41.590 --> 00:08:45.529 he permitted his Son to come and die for just 00:08:45.529 --> 00:08:51.129 a part of man. When Jesus cried on the cross, 00:08:51.289 --> 00:08:55.870 it is finished, the price was paid through the 00:08:55.870 --> 00:09:01.429 atonement for the whole man, every part of man, 00:09:01.690 --> 00:09:06.029 for the physical, for the spiritual, for the 00:09:06.029 --> 00:09:12.820 soul, the whole thing paid in full. Get back 00:09:12.820 --> 00:09:15.360 to the first part of that question. Is there 00:09:15.360 --> 00:09:19.059 healing in the atonement? Did Christ die to relieve 00:09:19.059 --> 00:09:22.740 us of our physical as well as spiritual infirmities? 00:09:23.960 --> 00:09:28.620 Let's go back to the first Passover as recorded 00:09:28.620 --> 00:09:32.759 in the 12th chapter of Exodus. Begin with the 00:09:32.759 --> 00:09:35.799 third verse. Speak ye unto all the congregation 00:09:35.799 --> 00:09:38.700 of Israel, saying, In the tenth day of this month, 00:09:39.070 --> 00:09:41.730 They shall take to them every man a lamb according 00:09:41.730 --> 00:09:44.529 to the house of their fathers, a lamb for an 00:09:44.529 --> 00:09:47.730 house. And if the household paid too little for 00:09:47.730 --> 00:09:50.450 the lamb, let him and his neighbor next unto 00:09:50.450 --> 00:09:53.009 his house take it according to the number of 00:09:53.009 --> 00:09:55.669 the souls. Every man according to his eating 00:09:55.669 --> 00:10:00.149 shall make your count for the lamb. Your lamb 00:10:00.149 --> 00:10:03.009 shall be without blemish a male of the first 00:10:03.009 --> 00:10:07.289 year. Ye shall take it out from the sheep or 00:10:07.289 --> 00:10:11.460 from the goats. And ye shall keep it up until 00:10:11.460 --> 00:10:14.240 the fourteenth day of the same month. And the 00:10:14.240 --> 00:10:16.919 whole assembly of the congregation of Israel 00:10:16.919 --> 00:10:20.559 shall kill it in the evening. Now watch this, 00:10:20.740 --> 00:10:24.600 the seventh verse. And they shall take of the 00:10:24.600 --> 00:10:28.440 blood, strike it on the two side posts and on 00:10:28.440 --> 00:10:31.259 the upper door posts of the houses, wherein they 00:10:31.259 --> 00:10:39.100 shall eat it. And they shall eat the flesh. In 00:10:39.100 --> 00:10:45.600 that night, roast with fire and unleavened bread, 00:10:45.960 --> 00:10:51.860 and with bitter herbs they shall eat it. That 00:10:51.860 --> 00:10:57.080 was the first Passover. The blood to be sprinkled 00:10:57.080 --> 00:11:00.840 on the length of the doorpost of the house, but 00:11:00.840 --> 00:11:07.139 the flesh of the lamb shall be eaten. We forget. 00:11:07.740 --> 00:11:13.120 the true meaning of the flesh of the Lamb. There 00:11:13.120 --> 00:11:15.840 are literally thousands and thousands of Christians 00:11:15.840 --> 00:11:20.159 who partake of the Lord's Supper, the Communion. 00:11:21.639 --> 00:11:28.139 All know regarding the wine. As you partake of 00:11:28.139 --> 00:11:30.240 the wine, as you hold the little cup in your 00:11:30.240 --> 00:11:33.840 hand, or as you drink the wine at the altar, 00:11:35.149 --> 00:11:40.429 a symbol of the shed blood of Jesus Christ. It 00:11:40.429 --> 00:11:43.070 is the blood that maketh an atonement for the 00:11:43.070 --> 00:11:50.710 soul. But what about the bread? The partaking 00:11:50.710 --> 00:11:55.110 of the bread every time the bread is served. 00:11:58.210 --> 00:12:06.600 It should mean a beautiful miracle service. The 00:12:06.600 --> 00:12:11.320 healing for the body, partaking of the bread 00:12:11.320 --> 00:12:15.460 has nothing to do with the soul, the forgiveness 00:12:15.460 --> 00:12:23.799 of sins. The whole man was included in the atonement. 00:12:25.580 --> 00:12:28.759 That's the reason Isaiah in the 53rd chapter 00:12:28.759 --> 00:12:34.139 cried, wounded for our transgressions. bruised 00:12:34.139 --> 00:12:41.620 for our iniquities, and by His stripes we are 00:12:41.620 --> 00:12:49.879 healed. Yes, there is healing in the atonement. 00:12:51.100 --> 00:12:58.159 And Christ did die to give us healing not only 00:12:58.159 --> 00:13:03.700 for the spiritual, but also for the physical 00:13:03.700 --> 00:13:10.639 infirmities as well. Do you keep tabs on the 00:13:10.639 --> 00:13:15.559 ratio of physical and spiritual healings? May 00:13:15.559 --> 00:13:22.340 I answer this question by saying that over and 00:13:22.340 --> 00:13:27.960 over again, those who are healed physically will 00:13:27.960 --> 00:13:34.259 invariably say, Spiritual healing was even greater 00:13:34.259 --> 00:13:40.179 than my physical healing. Regardless of how great 00:13:40.179 --> 00:13:44.200 the physical healing may have been, invariably, 00:13:44.220 --> 00:13:49.740 they will say, but what happened to me spiritually, 00:13:49.940 --> 00:13:56.240 I have never been the same since. I do not believe 00:13:56.240 --> 00:14:04.450 that anyone can receive a physical healing without 00:14:04.450 --> 00:14:10.549 also receiving a spiritual healing. The two go 00:14:10.549 --> 00:14:14.690 hand in hand. There is never a miracle service. 00:14:15.929 --> 00:14:19.409 Never. But what sometimes right in the middle 00:14:19.409 --> 00:14:21.450 of that miracle service, all bodies are being 00:14:21.450 --> 00:14:24.750 healed, you'll find those who need salvation, 00:14:24.830 --> 00:14:29.039 sinners, come walking down the aisle. weeping 00:14:29.039 --> 00:14:32.059 and saying, I want to be born again, and yet 00:14:32.059 --> 00:14:35.500 nothing has been said about salvation or repentance 00:14:35.500 --> 00:14:40.200 or what we call an altar call. It's the moving 00:14:40.200 --> 00:14:43.919 of the Holy Ghost. And wherever you find the 00:14:43.919 --> 00:14:45.840 great moving and the great outpouring of the 00:14:45.840 --> 00:14:49.259 Holy Spirit, you'll find the two going hand in 00:14:49.259 --> 00:14:56.309 hand. The spiritual healing. which is the greatest 00:14:56.309 --> 00:15:00.029 of all healings, the greatest of all miracles. 00:15:00.870 --> 00:15:05.750 And then there'll also be the healing of the 00:15:05.750 --> 00:15:13.009 physical. What is your concept of illness? That's 00:15:13.009 --> 00:15:20.830 question number 33. Now let me see. How best 00:15:20.830 --> 00:15:26.470 can I answer that? Well, maybe by telling you 00:15:26.470 --> 00:15:29.830 of a little boy who had eaten too many green 00:15:29.830 --> 00:15:36.570 apples. And little boys just love green apples. 00:15:37.429 --> 00:15:39.990 There's so many little boys and green apples. 00:15:41.049 --> 00:15:45.529 And this little boy just ate too many. And he 00:15:45.529 --> 00:15:51.490 came to his mother just deathly sick. Oh, he 00:15:51.490 --> 00:15:57.580 said, Mom. I'm so sick. And the mother said, 00:15:57.899 --> 00:16:03.519 oh, honey, it's all in your mind. You just think 00:16:03.519 --> 00:16:08.320 you're sick. And the kid looked up and he said, 00:16:08.320 --> 00:16:14.200 but mama, I have inside information. I'm sick. 00:16:15.759 --> 00:16:18.100 And when a little boy goes vomiting all over 00:16:18.100 --> 00:16:20.159 the place, having eaten too many green apples, 00:16:20.259 --> 00:16:22.720 I'm telling you something, it isn't just his 00:16:22.720 --> 00:16:27.059 imagination. It isn't just a mental attitude. 00:16:27.759 --> 00:16:35.179 That kid is sick. I know why the question was 00:16:35.179 --> 00:16:40.899 asked. Because so very often, there are those 00:16:40.899 --> 00:16:44.139 who like to say that healings are psychosomatic. 00:16:45.450 --> 00:16:50.230 That is all in the mind. The healing of cancer 00:16:50.230 --> 00:16:54.730 could not be psychosomatic. The lengthening of 00:16:54.730 --> 00:16:59.889 a limb could not be psychosomatic. The giving 00:16:59.889 --> 00:17:05.910 of sight to an eye could not possibly be psychosomatic. 00:17:07.869 --> 00:17:15.690 Let's just stop trying to... Close our eyes to 00:17:15.690 --> 00:17:19.130 the reality of the power of God. Let's accept 00:17:19.130 --> 00:17:27.569 God for what He really is. Let's stop trying 00:17:27.569 --> 00:17:33.789 to play games with God. Let's accept God and 00:17:33.789 --> 00:17:41.509 His Word at face value. You may not need a miracle 00:17:41.509 --> 00:17:48.440 today. But there may come a time when you will 00:17:48.440 --> 00:17:56.359 need that miracle. Accept God's promises at face 00:17:56.359 --> 00:18:04.160 value. Well, here comes question number 34. To 00:18:04.160 --> 00:18:07.700 what extent is individual health related to social 00:18:07.700 --> 00:18:13.559 or cosmic health? Does our social mindset have 00:18:13.559 --> 00:18:16.079 much to do with the physical health of individuals? 00:18:17.980 --> 00:18:22.480 Well, that too is a most important question. 00:18:22.680 --> 00:18:25.480 All of these questions are vitally important 00:18:25.480 --> 00:18:33.119 and they're right down to where we live. May 00:18:33.119 --> 00:18:36.599 I say that the greatest enemy that a human being 00:18:36.599 --> 00:18:41.430 can take into his life is fear? It's just like 00:18:41.430 --> 00:18:51.549 that. If you are able to conquer that enemy of 00:18:51.549 --> 00:18:59.269 fear, you have gone a long way to bringing health 00:18:59.269 --> 00:19:05.690 to a physical body. Life is not built for negative 00:19:05.690 --> 00:19:09.940 achievement. It's... built for positive contribution, 00:19:10.180 --> 00:19:18.119 for outgoing love. And it's just like that. You 00:19:18.119 --> 00:19:19.900 can never get rid of your own troubles unless 00:19:19.900 --> 00:19:21.599 you take upon yourself the troubles of others. 00:19:22.500 --> 00:19:24.960 When you find yourself oppressed by melancholy, 00:19:25.039 --> 00:19:27.940 the best way is to go out and find something 00:19:27.940 --> 00:19:32.660 kind to do to somebody else. For when you dig 00:19:32.660 --> 00:19:35.019 a man out of trouble, the hole which is left 00:19:36.589 --> 00:19:40.150 is the grave where you bury your own troubles, 00:19:40.289 --> 00:19:45.190 your own sorrows. Go out each day and do something 00:19:45.190 --> 00:19:51.170 that nobody but a Christian would do. And it 00:19:51.170 --> 00:19:55.369 isn't long before you'll forget about your own 00:19:55.369 --> 00:19:59.369 troubles. You'll forget about your own aches. 00:20:00.289 --> 00:20:07.849 You'll forget about your own pains. where the 00:20:07.849 --> 00:20:14.890 mind enters into it. I really believe that one 00:20:14.890 --> 00:20:22.029 can talk themselves into being sick. A little 00:20:22.029 --> 00:20:27.809 pain, you continue dwelling on the fact that 00:20:27.809 --> 00:20:31.890 you're suffering. It's amazing how that pain 00:20:31.890 --> 00:20:36.109 will increase. I can always remember Papa saying, 00:20:38.559 --> 00:20:43.079 Something. It wasn't scientific. You won't find 00:20:43.079 --> 00:20:48.339 it in the doctor's manual. But I'll tell you, 00:20:48.380 --> 00:20:53.279 it's just good common sense. He used to say, 00:20:53.299 --> 00:20:58.799 oh, just go out and work it off. And the best 00:20:58.799 --> 00:21:05.279 medicine in the world is hard work. Instead of 00:21:05.279 --> 00:21:09.619 running off and getting a prescription, we've 00:21:09.619 --> 00:21:13.539 got pills for everything. We got pills for every 00:21:13.539 --> 00:21:18.920 part of the body. Oh, we're pill to death these 00:21:18.920 --> 00:21:23.940 days. We're capsule to death these days. Sometimes 00:21:23.940 --> 00:21:28.240 I wish I could put faith in the capsule and send 00:21:28.240 --> 00:21:33.099 it out to millions of people. I'll tell you what 00:21:33.099 --> 00:21:37.529 to do. Instead of going and taking a pill for 00:21:37.529 --> 00:21:43.589 this, a pep pill and a nerve pill and a tranquilizer 00:21:43.589 --> 00:21:51.490 and another aspirin and another Anacin, why don't 00:21:51.490 --> 00:21:57.089 you just start working it off? It's the best 00:21:57.089 --> 00:22:02.359 medicine I know anything about. The right mental 00:22:02.359 --> 00:22:07.599 attitude is glorious. Remember something. Don't 00:22:07.599 --> 00:22:09.740 wait for some miracle to be performed on you 00:22:09.740 --> 00:22:13.299 from without. Lifting you above your fears and 00:22:13.299 --> 00:22:16.779 your doubts and your self -centeredness. You 00:22:16.779 --> 00:22:21.200 help God from within by turning in outgoing love 00:22:21.200 --> 00:22:23.920 to others. And miraculously, your fears, your 00:22:23.920 --> 00:22:26.279 doubts, your self -centeredness will vanish. 00:22:26.460 --> 00:22:31.599 The miracle starts from within. Not. from without. 00:22:32.220 --> 00:22:35.299 Throw your will on the side of outgoing love 00:22:35.299 --> 00:22:39.480 and all the healing resources of the universe 00:22:39.480 --> 00:22:46.079 will be behind you. Try it. It's the best medicine 00:22:46.079 --> 00:22:49.259 I know anything about.