First of all, hell, Lindsay, I want you to know
that it's always, it's not only a pleasure. But
you and I have such good times together, you
know. I mean, the communication is so great.
And when we get to talking, it's all over with
so quickly. Oh, thanks for coming again and being
my guest. Thank you for having me. I just always
look forward to talking with you because we're
talking about the things that both of us would
give our lives for. You bet. I mean, everything
else is so dull in life. Do you find it too?
It surely is. This is one thing that we said
we could discuss today, and that is if somehow
we could get not only the young people, but the
adults, to know how serious, how dangerous it
is to get involved with the occult. Right. You
know, I'd like to read a passage about that.
Be careful. That's my Bible. I've never really
used that, have I? Well, you see, I've staked
my whole life on everything that's in it. Yeah,
it'll fall apart, but okay. Well, praise the
Lord for a well -used Bible. I'm tired of seeing
those nice, elegant Bibles sitting at the shelf
knowing the idiot. I know. I always wonder whether
they use them at all or not. Go ahead. Well,
I'd like to read something that I feel will set
our talk today. From Deuteronomy chapter 18.
the ninth verse, because it warns against playing
with the occult. I doubt whether many of our
listeners today actually will go into witchcraft
or Satan worship, but I believe that it's really
important that people learn how terribly dangerous
it is to play with the occult. And they are led
into it so innocently. Right. Well, this is what
God says about it, and I believe that that's
the greatest warning that we can hear. He says,
when you are come into the land, he's speaking
to Moses and he's talking to him about bringing
the people of Israel out of Egypt into Israel.
He says, when you are come to the land, which
the Lord your God gives you, you shall not learn
to do after the abominations of those nations.
He calls the following things, the abominations
that the nations practiced. There shall not be
found among you anyone that makes his son or
his daughter to pass through the fire. This was
human sacrifice, the sacrifice of children to
demons. Or shall there be anyone who uses divination.
Now this means fortune telling of all kinds,
no matter what form it may take, whether it's
palm reading or whether it's astrology or what.
Divination means to seek to discover. secret
information by a cultic means, by a means other
than God's prophets. He says no one should dabble
in this. Or an observer of the times. An observer
of the times is a person who makes predictions
by astrology. Or an enchanter or a witch. Now,
of course, these are people who have various
forms of enchantments, crafts. ceremonies by
which they seek to establish contact with the
spirit world. Or a charmer or a consulter with
familiar spirits. A consulter with familiar spirits
would be one who would seek to make contact with
the spirit world and to speak through these voices
of the spirits. But the most important Ones I
believe are this, the necromancer. There shall
not be found among you one who practices necromancy.
Well, that's an unfamiliar word to today. It
means seances, trying to make contact with the
dead through a medium. For all of these, or all
that do these things, are an abomination to the
Lord. In other words, God warns all of us not
to seek to be involved in fortune -telling through
other than... His prophets. It's just as simple.
Right. And not to dabble in the occultic means.
And I believe this is a critical time in the
history of the Western civilization. We have
the greatest resurgence of interest in the supernatural
and in the occult in the history of Western civilization
going on right now. It's, I believe, because
people have tried the, once we thought that science
had ultimate answers to life and it proved that
it didn't. It could give us many things, but
it couldn't give us the ultimate answers to life.
The young people expressed their disenchantment,
their discouragement, their sorrow over this
by the radical movements, I believe, searching
for some reason for knowing how to face life.
When that didn't seem to produce effects, they
went into drugs. And then drugs proved to be
a one -race street to disaster, so now they're
dabbling in the occult. Always searching for
some way to find an answer for the real... We've
always had the occult, though. Always. It's been
latent. But not like now. Never before in history
has there been anything like now. And I believe
it's really important for people to realize that
even playing with a Ouija board can give Satan...
A foothold in a life that he could use in the
future to get either influence in the life or
he can get outright possession through a demon.
It all starts in such a small way. Right. That's
the reason we have to be so careful. The little
things, the little things. Well, I'd like to
share something at this time about a case that
involves a good friend of mine. His name is Bill.
And Bill himself didn't quite know where he stood
with the Lord. And his wife is of Jewish background.
She was raised in London. Well, I've known them
for quite some time. And his wife, Jackie, had
read The Late Great Planet Earth. And through
reading that and also talking with my secretary,
she came to believe that Jesus is her Messiah.
But all during a period of about three years.
She had been very sick, and this sickness was
so rare that the doctor said there were only
about four cases on record similar to it. And
she kept getting weaker, and finally, they called
my secretary and I over to visit her. We were
on our way to Israel the next day, but Bill really
thought that his wife wouldn't be alive when
we got back, so we went over to pray with her.
And when I saw her, my heart just... sank because
I could tell she was more dead than alive. And
I was standing there feeling such a desire saying,
God, isn't there something we can do here? And
to my amazement, Bill said, my wife Jackie, while
she was back in London visiting with her sister,
she was pregnant and her sister was pregnant
at the same time. She had her fortune read by
a friend of the family, a medium they had known
all their lives. And this fortune teller predicted
that she was going to have a little boy, which
she did have. And she predicted that her sister
would have a little girl, but the little girl
would not live. And the little girl did die about
six months after she was born. And the fortune
teller made many other predictions, he said,
many of which have already come true. And he
said, could there be a connection between Jackie
being involved with his fortune teller and the
sickness? And immediately, I began to feel that
that was exactly the case. And I asked Jackie,
I said, have you ever renounced your involvement
with this fortune teller since you believed in
Jesus? She said, no. Of course, she could barely
speak. She was in and out of an oxygen tent.
And I said, Jackie, would you be willing to renounce
that in the name of Jesus Christ and to renounce
any possible involvement with Satan through that?
And she shook her head, I certainly would. So
she prayed, bless her heart, she could hardly
pray, she was so weak, but she renounced this.
And while she was praying, I felt definitely
impressed to pray that God would heal her. And
so I prayed after her and I said, Satan, in the
name of Jesus Christ and in his authority, I
bind your authority over this woman. And Lord
Jesus, I pray that you will heal her of this
disease now. And so we finished praying, and
I really felt that God had touched her. Well,
we left and went to Israel. When we came back,
my friend Bill, he called me and he said, you
won't believe what happened. He said she came
the closest to dying the next day that she ever
had. We thought she was gone. But the day afterwards,
when she woke up, he said she felt like a million
bucks. That was really... No sign of this, you
know, the terrible parts of this disease. She
got up and for the first time in several months,
she started practicing her ballet. Well, there
has been a steady progress. It wasn't an instantaneous
total healing at once, but a steady reversal
of this ever since. And now she's up skiing for
all day long and things like this, things that
are just impossible. And the doctors believe
that she has been healed of this and that...
they're reviewing this and going to make a report
on the case itself. And she's saving for the
grand finale how her healing started. Now, Lindsay,
if only we could get people to realize that they're
not to get involved with these things. Well,
I believe that's a clear -cut illustration of
the danger of involvement with the occult. There's
no question in my mind or in anyone else's mind.
Especially Bill, he really got his faith straightened
out as a believer in Jesus through this. But
there's no question in any of our minds that
the direct cause of that sickness was becoming
involved with the occult. And you're opening
yourself wide open to Satan. You are saying,
all right, here I am. And in so doing, remember,
you can't do it unless you use your own will.
The will has much to do with the whole thing
when we realize that every man is a ruler of
a kingdom and that kingdom is himself. Right,
exactly. Every young person really rules over
a kingdom and that kingdom is himself. And he
exercises his own will. Even when Jesus was here
on earth in the form of man. Right. He had a
will separate from the will of the father, and
he could exercise his will apart from the father's
will. I can use my, I have no one else to blame.
I use my own will if I just deliberately get
involved with the occult. I open myself, you
know. That's the reason I wouldn't go to see
the picture of the exorcist. I don't believe
anyone should see it unless they have a very
definite leading from God to do so. I don't think
God would lead anybody, really. Well, don't say
that because I saw it. Listen, I pray for you.
Well, anyway, if you want to know about these
things, go to the authority. This is it. The
Word of God is absolute authority. And if you
want to know the real truth about it, you go
to the Word of God and you can't disregard the
fact that there is a Satan. There is. Something
happened between Genesis 1 -1 and Genesis 1 -2.
God also mad. God got terribly mad. That was
when... Lucifer, one of the most beautiful, most
powerful angels, fell. We forget, you know, sometimes
we think of Satan with a pitchfork and all this
stuff. That's the tragedy. That's the tragedy.
That's only man's imagination. When you realize
that the one who is Satan today was given great
power, was beautiful. beyond any beauty of man's
imagination. And God gave him this power, and
he is still the ruler. This planet Earth that
you talk about, your great planet Earth, he still
holds a title deed to this Earth. We forget that.
And he challenged Jesus, and Jesus did not. Tell
him he was a liar when he offered to give him
the title to this earth. Give it back to him
if he will bow down and serve him. We forget
the power that was given him, and he still has.
All that God took away from him was his beautiful
body. He still is left with power. Tremendous
power. Tremendous power. And I think this is
where so many today are being deceived. They
feel like that. You know, there really isn't
this spiritual personality that he really doesn't
have this kind of power. And yet people who get
involved in the occult stay with it because they
are having some supernatural experiences. And
you know, since all this has come up and since
I've taken my stand publicly and people have
said to me, I never knew before that you believed
in Satan, that you believed in... a devil because
you've never preached about it do you know why
i'll just tell you confidentially why it's because
i'd rather talk about jesus you know you see
you don't have to be afraid of vehicles When
you know Jesus as your personal Savior and you're
covered with the blood, you don't seek for other
things in the occult. You go to Him. You get
all your answers in His Word. You don't have
to be afraid of Satan when you're abiding under
the shadow of the Almighty. And you can look
up and know that the... God, this universe, the
great creator is your heavenly father. You don't
have to be afraid of hell when you know to whom
you belong. Don't you understand? Don't you understand?
That's the reason I talk about Jesus. In him,
you have freedom. In him you have security. Jesus,
not as a mere example, but as the very son of
the living God. The one who will set you free.
The one who will take away fear. He'll take away
your frustrations. Don't you understand? Jesus!
the one who'll give you victory. Certainly Satan
is powerful, but you and I are not only conquerors.
We're more than conquerors through Christ who
loved us. And how can you tell the counterfeit
from the genuine? I'll tell you how. Only one
sure way. If they talk about Jesus as the divine
son of the living God, it is the blood, his blood,
that maketh an atonement for the soul of man.