WEBVTT 00:00:00.010 --> 00:00:03.089 First of all, hell, Lindsay, I want you to know 00:00:03.089 --> 00:00:11.009 that it's always, it's not only a pleasure. But 00:00:11.009 --> 00:00:13.529 you and I have such good times together, you 00:00:13.529 --> 00:00:17.910 know. I mean, the communication is so great. 00:00:18.410 --> 00:00:22.390 And when we get to talking, it's all over with 00:00:22.390 --> 00:00:25.429 so quickly. Oh, thanks for coming again and being 00:00:25.429 --> 00:00:28.170 my guest. Thank you for having me. I just always 00:00:28.170 --> 00:00:31.030 look forward to talking with you because we're 00:00:31.030 --> 00:00:32.429 talking about the things that both of us would 00:00:32.429 --> 00:00:35.229 give our lives for. You bet. I mean, everything 00:00:35.229 --> 00:00:37.070 else is so dull in life. Do you find it too? 00:00:37.250 --> 00:00:40.509 It surely is. This is one thing that we said 00:00:40.509 --> 00:00:43.729 we could discuss today, and that is if somehow 00:00:43.729 --> 00:00:48.490 we could get not only the young people, but the 00:00:48.490 --> 00:00:53.670 adults, to know how serious, how dangerous it 00:00:53.670 --> 00:00:58.329 is to get involved with the occult. Right. You 00:00:58.329 --> 00:01:00.509 know, I'd like to read a passage about that. 00:01:00.670 --> 00:01:04.670 Be careful. That's my Bible. I've never really 00:01:04.670 --> 00:01:07.640 used that, have I? Well, you see, I've staked 00:01:07.640 --> 00:01:11.219 my whole life on everything that's in it. Yeah, 00:01:11.319 --> 00:01:16.180 it'll fall apart, but okay. Well, praise the 00:01:16.180 --> 00:01:19.319 Lord for a well -used Bible. I'm tired of seeing 00:01:19.319 --> 00:01:21.780 those nice, elegant Bibles sitting at the shelf 00:01:21.780 --> 00:01:24.739 knowing the idiot. I know. I always wonder whether 00:01:24.739 --> 00:01:27.780 they use them at all or not. Go ahead. Well, 00:01:27.819 --> 00:01:30.500 I'd like to read something that I feel will set 00:01:30.500 --> 00:01:34.159 our talk today. From Deuteronomy chapter 18. 00:01:35.040 --> 00:01:39.739 the ninth verse, because it warns against playing 00:01:39.739 --> 00:01:42.540 with the occult. I doubt whether many of our 00:01:42.540 --> 00:01:46.620 listeners today actually will go into witchcraft 00:01:46.620 --> 00:01:49.920 or Satan worship, but I believe that it's really 00:01:49.920 --> 00:01:53.299 important that people learn how terribly dangerous 00:01:53.299 --> 00:01:56.239 it is to play with the occult. And they are led 00:01:56.239 --> 00:01:59.400 into it so innocently. Right. Well, this is what 00:01:59.400 --> 00:02:02.439 God says about it, and I believe that that's 00:02:02.439 --> 00:02:05.099 the greatest warning that we can hear. He says, 00:02:05.219 --> 00:02:07.040 when you are come into the land, he's speaking 00:02:07.040 --> 00:02:09.800 to Moses and he's talking to him about bringing 00:02:09.800 --> 00:02:12.699 the people of Israel out of Egypt into Israel. 00:02:13.060 --> 00:02:15.639 He says, when you are come to the land, which 00:02:15.639 --> 00:02:18.159 the Lord your God gives you, you shall not learn 00:02:18.159 --> 00:02:20.719 to do after the abominations of those nations. 00:02:21.539 --> 00:02:24.400 He calls the following things, the abominations 00:02:24.400 --> 00:02:27.409 that the nations practiced. There shall not be 00:02:27.409 --> 00:02:29.849 found among you anyone that makes his son or 00:02:29.849 --> 00:02:31.930 his daughter to pass through the fire. This was 00:02:31.930 --> 00:02:34.710 human sacrifice, the sacrifice of children to 00:02:34.710 --> 00:02:39.789 demons. Or shall there be anyone who uses divination. 00:02:39.789 --> 00:02:43.150 Now this means fortune telling of all kinds, 00:02:43.229 --> 00:02:45.530 no matter what form it may take, whether it's 00:02:45.530 --> 00:02:48.629 palm reading or whether it's astrology or what. 00:02:48.990 --> 00:02:53.469 Divination means to seek to discover. secret 00:02:53.469 --> 00:02:57.050 information by a cultic means, by a means other 00:02:57.050 --> 00:03:00.710 than God's prophets. He says no one should dabble 00:03:00.710 --> 00:03:04.530 in this. Or an observer of the times. An observer 00:03:04.530 --> 00:03:07.650 of the times is a person who makes predictions 00:03:07.650 --> 00:03:12.469 by astrology. Or an enchanter or a witch. Now, 00:03:12.490 --> 00:03:14.509 of course, these are people who have various 00:03:14.509 --> 00:03:19.030 forms of enchantments, crafts. ceremonies by 00:03:19.030 --> 00:03:21.629 which they seek to establish contact with the 00:03:21.629 --> 00:03:25.509 spirit world. Or a charmer or a consulter with 00:03:25.509 --> 00:03:30.169 familiar spirits. A consulter with familiar spirits 00:03:30.169 --> 00:03:36.349 would be one who would seek to make contact with 00:03:36.349 --> 00:03:41.569 the spirit world and to speak through these voices 00:03:41.569 --> 00:03:45.340 of the spirits. But the most important Ones I 00:03:45.340 --> 00:03:47.259 believe are this, the necromancer. There shall 00:03:47.259 --> 00:03:50.580 not be found among you one who practices necromancy. 00:03:50.639 --> 00:03:53.379 Well, that's an unfamiliar word to today. It 00:03:53.379 --> 00:03:56.560 means seances, trying to make contact with the 00:03:56.560 --> 00:04:00.300 dead through a medium. For all of these, or all 00:04:00.300 --> 00:04:03.120 that do these things, are an abomination to the 00:04:03.120 --> 00:04:08.439 Lord. In other words, God warns all of us not 00:04:08.439 --> 00:04:12.340 to seek to be involved in fortune -telling through 00:04:12.340 --> 00:04:14.560 other than... His prophets. It's just as simple. 00:04:14.860 --> 00:04:17.600 Right. And not to dabble in the occultic means. 00:04:17.680 --> 00:04:21.199 And I believe this is a critical time in the 00:04:21.199 --> 00:04:24.160 history of the Western civilization. We have 00:04:24.160 --> 00:04:29.019 the greatest resurgence of interest in the supernatural 00:04:29.019 --> 00:04:32.100 and in the occult in the history of Western civilization 00:04:32.100 --> 00:04:35.699 going on right now. It's, I believe, because 00:04:35.699 --> 00:04:39.259 people have tried the, once we thought that science 00:04:39.259 --> 00:04:41.819 had ultimate answers to life and it proved that 00:04:41.819 --> 00:04:44.500 it didn't. It could give us many things, but 00:04:44.500 --> 00:04:47.339 it couldn't give us the ultimate answers to life. 00:04:47.959 --> 00:04:51.939 The young people expressed their disenchantment, 00:04:51.939 --> 00:04:56.360 their discouragement, their sorrow over this 00:04:56.360 --> 00:04:59.139 by the radical movements, I believe, searching 00:04:59.139 --> 00:05:02.100 for some reason for knowing how to face life. 00:05:02.300 --> 00:05:04.860 When that didn't seem to produce effects, they 00:05:04.860 --> 00:05:07.959 went into drugs. And then drugs proved to be 00:05:07.959 --> 00:05:10.939 a one -race street to disaster, so now they're 00:05:10.939 --> 00:05:14.000 dabbling in the occult. Always searching for 00:05:14.000 --> 00:05:17.779 some way to find an answer for the real... We've 00:05:17.779 --> 00:05:20.199 always had the occult, though. Always. It's been 00:05:20.199 --> 00:05:24.459 latent. But not like now. Never before in history 00:05:24.459 --> 00:05:27.500 has there been anything like now. And I believe 00:05:27.500 --> 00:05:29.899 it's really important for people to realize that 00:05:29.899 --> 00:05:34.680 even playing with a Ouija board can give Satan... 00:05:35.149 --> 00:05:38.649 A foothold in a life that he could use in the 00:05:38.649 --> 00:05:41.589 future to get either influence in the life or 00:05:41.589 --> 00:05:44.629 he can get outright possession through a demon. 00:05:44.910 --> 00:05:48.129 It all starts in such a small way. Right. That's 00:05:48.129 --> 00:05:51.610 the reason we have to be so careful. The little 00:05:51.610 --> 00:05:56.250 things, the little things. Well, I'd like to 00:05:56.250 --> 00:06:01.029 share something at this time about a case that 00:06:01.029 --> 00:06:04.149 involves a good friend of mine. His name is Bill. 00:06:05.579 --> 00:06:09.920 And Bill himself didn't quite know where he stood 00:06:09.920 --> 00:06:14.519 with the Lord. And his wife is of Jewish background. 00:06:14.639 --> 00:06:17.639 She was raised in London. Well, I've known them 00:06:17.639 --> 00:06:21.860 for quite some time. And his wife, Jackie, had 00:06:21.860 --> 00:06:24.240 read The Late Great Planet Earth. And through 00:06:24.240 --> 00:06:26.639 reading that and also talking with my secretary, 00:06:26.959 --> 00:06:29.399 she came to believe that Jesus is her Messiah. 00:06:30.279 --> 00:06:34.240 But all during a period of about three years. 00:06:34.800 --> 00:06:37.899 She had been very sick, and this sickness was 00:06:37.899 --> 00:06:39.939 so rare that the doctor said there were only 00:06:39.939 --> 00:06:43.720 about four cases on record similar to it. And 00:06:43.720 --> 00:06:47.399 she kept getting weaker, and finally, they called 00:06:47.399 --> 00:06:50.439 my secretary and I over to visit her. We were 00:06:50.439 --> 00:06:55.319 on our way to Israel the next day, but Bill really 00:06:55.319 --> 00:06:57.500 thought that his wife wouldn't be alive when 00:06:57.500 --> 00:06:59.459 we got back, so we went over to pray with her. 00:07:00.240 --> 00:07:04.220 And when I saw her, my heart just... sank because 00:07:04.220 --> 00:07:07.939 I could tell she was more dead than alive. And 00:07:07.939 --> 00:07:11.839 I was standing there feeling such a desire saying, 00:07:12.000 --> 00:07:15.199 God, isn't there something we can do here? And 00:07:15.199 --> 00:07:19.939 to my amazement, Bill said, my wife Jackie, while 00:07:19.939 --> 00:07:23.519 she was back in London visiting with her sister, 00:07:23.600 --> 00:07:25.680 she was pregnant and her sister was pregnant 00:07:25.680 --> 00:07:29.540 at the same time. She had her fortune read by 00:07:29.540 --> 00:07:31.540 a friend of the family, a medium they had known 00:07:31.540 --> 00:07:34.279 all their lives. And this fortune teller predicted 00:07:34.279 --> 00:07:37.019 that she was going to have a little boy, which 00:07:37.019 --> 00:07:39.600 she did have. And she predicted that her sister 00:07:39.600 --> 00:07:42.079 would have a little girl, but the little girl 00:07:42.079 --> 00:07:44.620 would not live. And the little girl did die about 00:07:44.620 --> 00:07:47.620 six months after she was born. And the fortune 00:07:47.620 --> 00:07:49.720 teller made many other predictions, he said, 00:07:49.740 --> 00:07:52.939 many of which have already come true. And he 00:07:52.939 --> 00:07:56.959 said, could there be a connection between Jackie 00:07:56.959 --> 00:07:59.360 being involved with his fortune teller and the 00:07:59.360 --> 00:08:02.470 sickness? And immediately, I began to feel that 00:08:02.470 --> 00:08:06.810 that was exactly the case. And I asked Jackie, 00:08:06.810 --> 00:08:09.610 I said, have you ever renounced your involvement 00:08:09.610 --> 00:08:11.910 with this fortune teller since you believed in 00:08:11.910 --> 00:08:14.529 Jesus? She said, no. Of course, she could barely 00:08:14.529 --> 00:08:17.290 speak. She was in and out of an oxygen tent. 00:08:18.449 --> 00:08:21.529 And I said, Jackie, would you be willing to renounce 00:08:21.529 --> 00:08:24.430 that in the name of Jesus Christ and to renounce 00:08:24.430 --> 00:08:28.089 any possible involvement with Satan through that? 00:08:28.560 --> 00:08:31.639 And she shook her head, I certainly would. So 00:08:31.639 --> 00:08:34.500 she prayed, bless her heart, she could hardly 00:08:34.500 --> 00:08:36.899 pray, she was so weak, but she renounced this. 00:08:37.200 --> 00:08:40.360 And while she was praying, I felt definitely 00:08:40.360 --> 00:08:44.600 impressed to pray that God would heal her. And 00:08:44.600 --> 00:08:47.639 so I prayed after her and I said, Satan, in the 00:08:47.639 --> 00:08:49.940 name of Jesus Christ and in his authority, I 00:08:49.940 --> 00:08:53.539 bind your authority over this woman. And Lord 00:08:53.539 --> 00:08:55.799 Jesus, I pray that you will heal her of this 00:08:55.799 --> 00:09:00.340 disease now. And so we finished praying, and 00:09:00.340 --> 00:09:04.059 I really felt that God had touched her. Well, 00:09:04.139 --> 00:09:07.559 we left and went to Israel. When we came back, 00:09:07.679 --> 00:09:10.500 my friend Bill, he called me and he said, you 00:09:10.500 --> 00:09:13.000 won't believe what happened. He said she came 00:09:13.000 --> 00:09:15.539 the closest to dying the next day that she ever 00:09:15.539 --> 00:09:18.620 had. We thought she was gone. But the day afterwards, 00:09:18.820 --> 00:09:23.279 when she woke up, he said she felt like a million 00:09:23.279 --> 00:09:28.509 bucks. That was really... No sign of this, you 00:09:28.509 --> 00:09:30.549 know, the terrible parts of this disease. She 00:09:30.549 --> 00:09:32.789 got up and for the first time in several months, 00:09:32.870 --> 00:09:35.889 she started practicing her ballet. Well, there 00:09:35.889 --> 00:09:39.269 has been a steady progress. It wasn't an instantaneous 00:09:39.269 --> 00:09:42.450 total healing at once, but a steady reversal 00:09:42.450 --> 00:09:46.769 of this ever since. And now she's up skiing for 00:09:46.769 --> 00:09:49.210 all day long and things like this, things that 00:09:49.210 --> 00:09:52.129 are just impossible. And the doctors believe 00:09:52.129 --> 00:09:55.190 that she has been healed of this and that... 00:09:56.019 --> 00:09:59.159 they're reviewing this and going to make a report 00:09:59.159 --> 00:10:01.279 on the case itself. And she's saving for the 00:10:01.279 --> 00:10:05.159 grand finale how her healing started. Now, Lindsay, 00:10:05.220 --> 00:10:12.159 if only we could get people to realize that they're 00:10:12.159 --> 00:10:15.759 not to get involved with these things. Well, 00:10:15.779 --> 00:10:18.240 I believe that's a clear -cut illustration of 00:10:18.240 --> 00:10:21.679 the danger of involvement with the occult. There's 00:10:21.679 --> 00:10:24.960 no question in my mind or in anyone else's mind. 00:10:25.549 --> 00:10:28.210 Especially Bill, he really got his faith straightened 00:10:28.210 --> 00:10:29.929 out as a believer in Jesus through this. But 00:10:29.929 --> 00:10:31.970 there's no question in any of our minds that 00:10:31.970 --> 00:10:35.149 the direct cause of that sickness was becoming 00:10:35.149 --> 00:10:37.730 involved with the occult. And you're opening 00:10:37.730 --> 00:10:41.330 yourself wide open to Satan. You are saying, 00:10:41.509 --> 00:10:46.450 all right, here I am. And in so doing, remember, 00:10:46.669 --> 00:10:50.690 you can't do it unless you use your own will. 00:10:51.580 --> 00:10:55.220 The will has much to do with the whole thing 00:10:55.220 --> 00:11:00.360 when we realize that every man is a ruler of 00:11:00.360 --> 00:11:02.860 a kingdom and that kingdom is himself. Right, 00:11:02.919 --> 00:11:07.860 exactly. Every young person really rules over 00:11:07.860 --> 00:11:12.159 a kingdom and that kingdom is himself. And he 00:11:12.159 --> 00:11:17.019 exercises his own will. Even when Jesus was here 00:11:17.019 --> 00:11:20.559 on earth in the form of man. Right. He had a 00:11:20.559 --> 00:11:22.919 will separate from the will of the father, and 00:11:22.919 --> 00:11:28.879 he could exercise his will apart from the father's 00:11:28.879 --> 00:11:31.919 will. I can use my, I have no one else to blame. 00:11:32.279 --> 00:11:37.620 I use my own will if I just deliberately get 00:11:37.620 --> 00:11:43.220 involved with the occult. I open myself, you 00:11:43.220 --> 00:11:46.720 know. That's the reason I wouldn't go to see 00:11:46.720 --> 00:11:49.610 the picture of the exorcist. I don't believe 00:11:49.610 --> 00:11:52.330 anyone should see it unless they have a very 00:11:52.330 --> 00:11:55.870 definite leading from God to do so. I don't think 00:11:55.870 --> 00:11:59.250 God would lead anybody, really. Well, don't say 00:11:59.250 --> 00:12:02.789 that because I saw it. Listen, I pray for you. 00:12:02.850 --> 00:12:07.990 Well, anyway, if you want to know about these 00:12:07.990 --> 00:12:13.169 things, go to the authority. This is it. The 00:12:13.169 --> 00:12:19.399 Word of God is absolute authority. And if you 00:12:19.399 --> 00:12:21.539 want to know the real truth about it, you go 00:12:21.539 --> 00:12:25.679 to the Word of God and you can't disregard the 00:12:25.679 --> 00:12:29.539 fact that there is a Satan. There is. Something 00:12:29.539 --> 00:12:32.419 happened between Genesis 1 -1 and Genesis 1 -2. 00:12:32.460 --> 00:12:37.100 God also mad. God got terribly mad. That was 00:12:37.100 --> 00:12:41.740 when... Lucifer, one of the most beautiful, most 00:12:41.740 --> 00:12:45.120 powerful angels, fell. We forget, you know, sometimes 00:12:45.120 --> 00:12:46.879 we think of Satan with a pitchfork and all this 00:12:46.879 --> 00:12:48.720 stuff. That's the tragedy. That's the tragedy. 00:12:49.159 --> 00:12:52.120 That's only man's imagination. When you realize 00:12:52.120 --> 00:12:55.960 that the one who is Satan today was given great 00:12:55.960 --> 00:13:01.159 power, was beautiful. beyond any beauty of man's 00:13:01.159 --> 00:13:05.620 imagination. And God gave him this power, and 00:13:05.620 --> 00:13:09.120 he is still the ruler. This planet Earth that 00:13:09.120 --> 00:13:11.659 you talk about, your great planet Earth, he still 00:13:11.659 --> 00:13:15.320 holds a title deed to this Earth. We forget that. 00:13:16.000 --> 00:13:21.129 And he challenged Jesus, and Jesus did not. Tell 00:13:21.129 --> 00:13:23.389 him he was a liar when he offered to give him 00:13:23.389 --> 00:13:25.769 the title to this earth. Give it back to him 00:13:25.769 --> 00:13:29.370 if he will bow down and serve him. We forget 00:13:29.370 --> 00:13:32.950 the power that was given him, and he still has. 00:13:33.350 --> 00:13:36.409 All that God took away from him was his beautiful 00:13:36.409 --> 00:13:41.309 body. He still is left with power. Tremendous 00:13:41.309 --> 00:13:44.830 power. Tremendous power. And I think this is 00:13:44.830 --> 00:13:49.070 where so many today are being deceived. They 00:13:49.070 --> 00:13:51.970 feel like that. You know, there really isn't 00:13:51.970 --> 00:13:55.110 this spiritual personality that he really doesn't 00:13:55.110 --> 00:13:59.149 have this kind of power. And yet people who get 00:13:59.149 --> 00:14:01.669 involved in the occult stay with it because they 00:14:01.669 --> 00:14:04.509 are having some supernatural experiences. And 00:14:04.509 --> 00:14:07.370 you know, since all this has come up and since 00:14:07.370 --> 00:14:11.850 I've taken my stand publicly and people have 00:14:11.850 --> 00:14:16.129 said to me, I never knew before that you believed 00:14:16.129 --> 00:14:21.600 in Satan, that you believed in... a devil because 00:14:21.600 --> 00:14:25.639 you've never preached about it do you know why 00:14:25.639 --> 00:14:31.019 i'll just tell you confidentially why it's because 00:14:31.019 --> 00:14:39.320 i'd rather talk about jesus you know you see 00:14:39.320 --> 00:14:45.179 you don't have to be afraid of vehicles When 00:14:45.179 --> 00:14:47.919 you know Jesus as your personal Savior and you're 00:14:47.919 --> 00:14:50.379 covered with the blood, you don't seek for other 00:14:50.379 --> 00:14:54.720 things in the occult. You go to Him. You get 00:14:54.720 --> 00:14:59.200 all your answers in His Word. You don't have 00:14:59.200 --> 00:15:04.840 to be afraid of Satan when you're abiding under 00:15:04.840 --> 00:15:09.700 the shadow of the Almighty. And you can look 00:15:09.700 --> 00:15:12.960 up and know that the... God, this universe, the 00:15:12.960 --> 00:15:18.220 great creator is your heavenly father. You don't 00:15:18.220 --> 00:15:23.559 have to be afraid of hell when you know to whom 00:15:23.559 --> 00:15:30.419 you belong. Don't you understand? Don't you understand? 00:15:32.960 --> 00:15:37.899 That's the reason I talk about Jesus. In him, 00:15:38.000 --> 00:15:44.889 you have freedom. In him you have security. Jesus, 00:15:44.909 --> 00:15:49.970 not as a mere example, but as the very son of 00:15:49.970 --> 00:15:54.669 the living God. The one who will set you free. 00:15:55.789 --> 00:16:01.149 The one who will take away fear. He'll take away 00:16:01.149 --> 00:16:08.730 your frustrations. Don't you understand? Jesus! 00:16:09.070 --> 00:16:14.429 the one who'll give you victory. Certainly Satan 00:16:14.429 --> 00:16:19.210 is powerful, but you and I are not only conquerors. 00:16:20.169 --> 00:16:25.649 We're more than conquerors through Christ who 00:16:25.649 --> 00:16:30.549 loved us. And how can you tell the counterfeit 00:16:30.549 --> 00:16:36.309 from the genuine? I'll tell you how. Only one 00:16:36.309 --> 00:16:45.559 sure way. If they talk about Jesus as the divine 00:16:45.559 --> 00:16:50.639 son of the living God, it is the blood, his blood, 00:16:50.840 --> 00:16:54.840 that maketh an atonement for the soul of man.