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My guest is the author of three marvelous books,

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Satan is Alive and Well on Planet Earth, The

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Late Great Planet Earth, and There's a New World

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Coming. And immediately everybody says, I know

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now who Catherine Cooman's guest is today. It's

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Hal Lindsey. And God really has blessed these

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three books. Yes, he has. In fact, I feel like

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it was a victory for the Lord last couple of

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weeks because There's a New World Coming was

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chosen in the trade edition paperback as number

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two on the New York Times bestseller list. You

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can't ask for anything more than that. And The

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Late Great was 10th. We're quite thrilled about

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it. And the thing is that they're scriptural

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in spite of the Holy Spirit. All right, hell,

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we're going to get into something that's vitally

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important. And you understand, of course, my

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stand with these young people. And I appreciate

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it that there are thousands and thousands that

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we're in contact with. And you know my stand

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when it comes to exorcism. And I'll tell you

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why I'm so... exercised about the whole thing

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and have really like i said the other night you

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know with the thousands out the convention center

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i said i don't know whether uh i'm here out of

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courage or sanctified guts you know it's just

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kind of all like that but i know the truth i

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know the scripture and you see I'm so exercised

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over this whole thing is because right now this

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thing can become very dangerous. Millions of

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the young people have seen the picture. Now,

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prior to this, they have gotten all involved

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with dope. They have really gotten all the thrill

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that they can possibly get when it has come to

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dope. When it comes to sex, they have tried everything

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in the book and some of the things that aren't

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in the book. They have tried everything, everything

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for a thrill. This is the very first time that

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thousands and thousands of them have realized

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that there is such a thing as Satan. They, for

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the very first time, have been shown that there

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is such an experience of being demon -possessed.

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And so... Here's a portion of them who have become

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so frightened that they are turning to God. They

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see the danger of it. On the other hand, there'll

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be those who've tried everything else for a thrill.

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They've gotten so involved. They'll turn and

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say, maybe there's one more thrill left. I'd

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like to know what... it feels like and what it's

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like to become demon -possessed. And they don't

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realize that when they get involved with demon

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possession, they're involved with something that

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is the most dangerous thing that is possible

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for a human being to become involved in. Right?

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Right. They just can't walk away from it the

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way... You can't. You can't. It's true. It's

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different than dope. It's different than sex.

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It's different than anything else. And there

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is your danger. And somebody has got to come

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forth and show these young people the danger

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in the whole thing. Well, I believe that the

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unprecedented success of this movie, The Exorcist,

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and I saw it when it first came out just because

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I knew it would be asked. They didn't. Ask about

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it a lot, see. I believe the amazing success

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of the movie points to something much deeper.

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It's a well -written play, I think, from my point

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of view, as far as technical technique of getting

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an idea across. So not to fault Blatty on that,

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but the fact that people are responding to something

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about demon possession and that there is such

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a tremendous interest in this today indicates

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that we're in a new stage of Satan's dealing

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with man. there's a tracing through the way satan

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works in history in various cultures he has basically

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three ways that he works the first is to work

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by convincing people he doesn't exist and when

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you've got a culture where they're basically

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rationalistic and very materialistic this is

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his best approach is to remain anonymous and

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there's still some over 40 who think that way

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but There's another approach where he uses religion.

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He uses deception and subtlety, twisting the

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truth, using false religion to get people to

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miss the truth about how to really know God.

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But the third way, and this is usually what he

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uses in a pagan culture where the authority of

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the Bible has really waned and has lost its influence,

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he uses this approach of fear and intimidation.

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In fact, in places like Haiti and some parts

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of Africa, you'll find that the witch doctor

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will use these supernatural things to really

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strike fear into people and bring them in bondage

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to demons through fear and intimidation. Well,

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I believe the exorcist is setting the stage for

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a lot of people to just be frightened into submission

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to a lot of demons. Now, I believe also... just

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to give you my impression of the movie. I believe

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that the movie sets forth accurately a number

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of phenomena and symptoms that you would find

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in actual demon possession. I think it's very

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important for people to realize that this is

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founded on a real case and on Blatty's investigation

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of other case histories. Where you get a kind

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of a misinformed, out -of -proportion picture

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is that he throws all of the symptoms that you

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find in demon possession into one case, and you

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rarely would, I don't think you'd ever find that.

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There's no case in history where this has happened.

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He puts such things as levitation, speaking in

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another language and the power of the devil,

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another voice speaking through you, the power

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to have clairvoyant knowledge, to know things

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that you couldn't have known otherwise. the tendency

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towards self -destruction, the ability to have

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unprecedented supernatural strength, physical

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strength. He put all of this in one case. Well,

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these are things that you do find, as I'm sure

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you know, in cases of real demon possession,

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but you don't find them all at once. But the

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greatest disappointment, and this is where I

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know that you'll get exercised, the greatest

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disappointment. was that although he portrayed

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the phenomena associated with demon possession

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fairly accurately, he did not portray accurately

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the overwhelming power of Jesus Christ over demons.

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A person who sees this movie comes away feeling,

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well, you know, the priest... the priests really

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didn't have the power and authority of Christ

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because they kept invoking the name of Christ

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and nothing happened. And here's the coup de

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grace. That's right. That's the reason these

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young people left feeling that it's so hopeless

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and they were so frustrated. And so there was

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no hope given. After all, it is true that wherever

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you find the reality in the spiritual, you'll

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always find Satan coming along with the counterfeit.

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You understand always, you know. And because

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that... was the cause of his fall. I will be

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like unto the Most High God. But we've got to

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realize that the power of Satan is great. There

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is only one power that's greater than the power

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of the enemy. Right. Hell, sitting here, if you

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and I could, we talk about it, and sometimes

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I wonder if we fully can comprehend that there

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is only one power greater than the power of Satan

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that makes the power of Satan very great. That's

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right. Very great. And the only one who can give

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deliverance is the power of God. And that's why

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we have to be so very careful. It still takes

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the blood of Jesus. Somebody says, how, when

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it comes to people talking about God and talking

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about Jesus, how can you tell the genuine from

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the counterfeit in that also? Because everybody

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that's carrying a Bible, you know, and everybody

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that's talking about Jesus isn't a child of the

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king, isn't born again. But listen very closely

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when they talk about the blood of Jesus Christ.

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Satan can quote scripture. Satan knows the word

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of God better than either one of us. Or the greatest

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saint that ever lived. And Satan talks about

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Jesus. But it takes the blood of Jesus Christ.

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Absolute deity and absolute divinity. These young

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people need to be taught that. Well, you know,

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the thing that really got me. is that this movie

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was misnamed. Now, here's what I mean by that.

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An exorcism never really took place in the movie.

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Technically, it was a transference because the

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priest did not order the demon out of this child

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by the power of Christ. He invited the demon

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to come out of the child and into him. That's

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a transference, not an exorcism. Now, I know

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you've had experiences with this, but I've had

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an experience too, and I'd like to just share

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it briefly. I was in Indiana a few years ago,

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and speaking at a conference, there's one lady

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I noticed there in particular. She wore black

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leotards and a plaid kilt the whole weekend,

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and I thought, well, there's a real individualist.

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Well, I got to know her the final day of this

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conference, and she heard about my book on prophecy,

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and we got to talking about prophecy, and she

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said, well, I've always been able to tell people

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about themselves and to predict their future.

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All of a sudden, I got this uneasy feeling, and

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I said, no. What do you mean by that? And all

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the ladies who came with her said, well, she's

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told us things about ourselves that no one could

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have known. And I just impulsively said, this

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is not of God, and if you don't reject it, it's

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going to destroy you. And as soon as I said it,

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I knew I was right. I looked on her finger, and

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she had a ring that made my blood run cold. It

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was a ring that had the emblem of Satan worship.

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Now, she was not a certain Satan worshiper consciously,

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but she was attracted to this. In fact, she said

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she had thousands of dollars worth of artifacts

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like this. I invited her to go and talk with

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me outside, and we walked for a while, and I

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showed her from Acts 16. After I talked with

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her, I was sure this was her problem. I showed

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her this place where it says, that it happened

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that as Paul was going to the place of prayer,

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a certain slave girl having a spirit of divination

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met us who was bringing her masters much profit

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by fortune telling. And following after Paul

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as she kept crying out saying, these men are

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bond servants of the most high God who are proclaiming

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to you a way of salvation. And she continued

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doing this for many days, but Paul was greatly

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annoyed and turned and said to the spirit, I

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command you in the name of Jesus Christ to come

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out of her. And it came out at that very moment.

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And he spoke to the spirit. Right. The demon

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in her, the disembodied. Exactly. And the demon

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came out. Well, I showed her this and I said,

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I believe that this is your problem. And she

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began to confess that her husband had left her,

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that her life was really disintegrating. And

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she said, you know, I talk with this spirit.

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at night. And to the best of my memory, she said

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that that's one of the reasons her husband left.

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She almost went into a convulsion one night,

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arguing and wrestling with the spirit. And her

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husband just said, you know, I don't want any

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more of this. And her life was really going to

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pieces. She was beginning to drink heavily. And

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I said, would you like to be delivered to this

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spirit? And she said, yes, I would. I said, will

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you renounce in the name of Jesus Christ, your

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involvement with this psychic power and renounce

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it as being satanic? She told me her mother and

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her grandmother had also had the psychic power.

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And she said, yes, I will. Although it'll be

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difficult because I've never been able to say

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that name before. And I said, then you renounce

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and I'm going to pray for you. And then I want

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you to say, I believe that Jesus Christ is the

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son of God. that he died for my sins and ask

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him to come into your life. She shook her head

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that she would. She began to pray. And as she

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did, it was almost as if a hand choked her because

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she couldn't speak. She tried to speak and she

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couldn't. And I just prayed in the name of Jesus

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Christ. And I said, demon, in the name of Christ,

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I command you to come out of this woman and to

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leave her alone. She began to shake and to tremble.

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And all of a sudden she looked up. And she said,

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I'm free. And she prayed and invited Christ to

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come in her life and then just took off and started

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back toward the conference. The first person

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she ran into was my wife, Jan. And she said,

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do you know what your husband just did to me?

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Well, my wife jumped back. She didn't know what.

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And she said, he just cast a spirit out of me.

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And my wife said, yes, but did Jesus come in?

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And she said, yes, he did. But the amazing thing,

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Catherine, is that. Before the conference ended,

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she pointed to the plaid kilt and she said, do

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you know what plaid this is? I said, no. She

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said, this is the Lindsay plaid. And the reason

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I'm wearing it is because in Scotland a few weeks

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ago, I had a vision that I was going to meet

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a man named Lindsay and that he was going to

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change the course of my life. She went home.

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Unknown to me, her mother had not walked for

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many years, was in a wheelchair. She tried to

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tell her mother about this. She went into a frenzy.

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She saw you on television, had never heard of

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you. And she heard that you had power with God

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to heal. So without telling her mother what was

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happening, she put her mother on a plane, took

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her to Pittsburgh, took her into the meeting.

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Her mother got out of the wheelchair and walked

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and accepted Christ. And the two of them together

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are still being real witnesses for Christ. The

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last I heard of them, they were both really witnesses

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for Christ. Hell, Lindsay, there are only two

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forces in the world. That's right. If only men

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and women could understand it. You see, we need

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to get back again to the Word of God. This could

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be the church's greatest hour. I would like to

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get on my knees and plead with every minister

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and every Catholic priest. I would beg you. Let's

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get back to the Word of God. Fathers, mothers,

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young people. But remember something, this is

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real. What we're talking about, what Helen and

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I are talking about today, is the most real thing

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in the world. There are only two forces. The

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forces of righteousness and the forces of unrighteousness.

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The forces of Satan and the forces of God know

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that. And there's only one power that's greater

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than the power of the forces of unrighteousness,

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and that's the power of God. And I don't care

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who you are. You can be set free from the power

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of the evil one through Jesus Christ, the Son

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of the Living God. And whom Christ sets free

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is free indeed. This is what Jesus died for,

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to set you free. You don't have to be bound by

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the powers of sin and of Satan. He'll set you

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free. If you want to be free.
