You know, hell, Lindsay, before we begin our
discussion today and when we get started, you
know, there's no way we could go on for hours
and hours and hours. But I want to tell you something
personally. I might as well tell it before the
whole world because it means so much to me. And
that is the fact that you have never once gone
off on the deep end. Never. You know, it's so
very easy to go off into fanaticism. It's so
easy. It's easy after one has become very successful
to deviate from the Word of God and try to add
to it or, you know. I know. But you've stuck
with the Word. Hell, this is the Word. And you've
stuck with the Word. And as long as you and I
stay with the Word of God, the devil will never
be able to make a nut out of this. You know it?
It's staying with the Word. And I feel that God
has given you a special ministry in the closing
hours of this dispensation. It's a ministry of
revealing the word of prophecy. It's something
that God has given to you. It's something that's
special. It's something that's marvelous. And
I'm so glad I can sit down and talk with you
about these things like no other person because
it's the Holy Spirit who gives us the revelation.
And you and I have never had to apologize once,
have we? No. For the interpretation that God
has given us. We have given to the people that
God has given unto us and say, please, we were
wrong. Everything that you have given regarding
the fulfillment of the prophecy, God has lived
up to the word. Take Israel. Go ahead. Start
on that. Oh, that's great. Well, you know, I
just wish that people could... hear the longer
conversations that we have off the stage i know
something on this prophecy we get going and we
can't stop i know that we need hours we do i
wish we had ours literally but uh you know uh
the more i see the uh world events fitting into
this pattern of prophecy that uh well many are
talking about i'm sure but i had the privilege
of writing about it in the late great planet
earth and And now again, in the latest book,
there's a new world coming. The more this pattern
fits together, the more two things happen. Number
one, the more I'm humbled to see the role I'm
being pushed into. And in the second place, the
more I see that people... who never would have
considered listening to something about the Bible
or something about Christianity, are open to
consider today. And the more intelligent they
are, the more they realize that something is
about to happen. That's right. It seems that
it's the ones who academically are highly trained
that are really listening today. And, you know,
just take this latest Middle East crisis to begin
with. Yeah, just take it. It was exciting. It
was. Every moment of it. Yes, it was. It was
exciting to us who know the Word of God. Yeah,
He's keeping His Word to Abraham and the seed
of Abraham. Right. You know, I hope that the
people, the descendants, the physical descendants
of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob that we commonly
call today the Jews, I hope they realize that
their greatest supporter in these United States
today are evangelical Christians. I want them
to know that so much. I really want them to know
that too. It's not that we think that they have
to believe what we believe. It's that the evangelical
Christian has the record of the Word of God,
that God has chosen them as a physical race.
He intends to ultimately bring them into a blessing
He promised Abraham. And he promised he would
bless those who blessed them and he would curse
those who cursed them. And an evangelical Christian
believes that, you know. Sure. But, you know,
I read something that I'd like to share with
you today. This was in the New York Jewish Press,
May 22nd, 1970. And Menachem Israel was the correspondent.
And he quoted a saying of Rabbi Chaim Voloshner.
Now, I believe he was a rabbi in the latter part
of the 19th century. He spoke of the fact that
one day the Jews would come back to the land
of Israel and would get their home back and they
would become a nation again. And he spoke of
the fact that when this happened, the Russians
would eventually attack them. And he said, and
I quote, when the Russians cross the Dardanelles
to enter the Middle East, put on your Sabbath
garments and be prepared to welcome the Messiah,
end of quote. Now he was speaking. right out
of Ezekiel chapter 38, a prophet that wrote 2650
years ago, but said that the people would be
scattered for a long period. The land of Israel
would become a shambles and a desolate waste.
And the people would be returned from the nations
all over the world. They would make the land
flourish again. They would become prosperous.
And when that happened, both the Arabs and the
Russians would unite against them. You know,
this latest Middle East, I call it the Middle
East crisis phase four, because it's the fourth
one, what I believe will be a long line of them.
But in this latest Middle East crisis, I believe
we saw a pre -run of the way things will develop
in that future time. Don't you? A preview of
it. We really did. Because the Russians almost
got into this last war. Now, I knew that they
wouldn't. I knew they wouldn't come in with a
great army. But there's coming a day when they
will. Yes. I just knew there were certain things
that hadn't happened yet. So it was exciting
to watch it. Were you? Oh. Every hour of it,
every day of it was very exciting, doing the
Word of God and watching. Right. It was. But
it was not their time yet. Yes, but there will
come a time when they will cross the Dardanelles
and they will move in the Middle East. And then
they will sweep right through Israel and they
will move into Egypt and to the Arab countries
and take them over. You know, I used to wonder
why they would do that. I used to wonder why
the prophetic pattern was very clear. that for
some reason the Russian Confederacy would double
-cross the Arabs. You know, I believe it's becoming
very clear why they will, because of the oil.
Absolutely. You know, I've always said it, 25
years ago, if you wanted a real scoop on the
future... A real scoop. Start reading the Word
of God. And in the 38th chapter of Ezekiel, it's
said that they'll go down after a spoil. And
the spoil is the oil. It certainly would be,
because what else would they have in that area
that would be of any great use to the Russians
or to their block of power? But now we can see
how that Western civilization... literally oil
freaks. We can't survive without oil. And the
Russians are as desperate for oil to feed their
industry and their economy as we are. And I believe
there's going to become a growing controversy
between the communist bloc and the free world
for the oil spoils of the Arabs. And this throws
the ingredient into this area because now As
the Bible predicted, the Middle East is the focal
point of the world. We can see the whole world,
the eyes of the world, turning there. Isn't that
amazing when you realize that Israel as a nation
is only 25 years old? Think of that. That they
would be a determining factor. The amazing thing.
It really is. For 39 centuries, the seed of Abraham
scattered people. 39 centuries. Think of it.
And then they become a nation. And such a young
nation, only 25 years old. And yet the eyes of
the world are focused upon the Middle East, upon
Israel. You know, I was reading recently in Ezekiel
chapter 36. It really struck me because, you
know, I've been to Israel many times, and the
people are people that I dearly love. Yeah. But,
you know, I don't believe that they are, at this
point, the majority of the people are ready to
believe in the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
Many of them are agnostics. But the interesting
thing to me is that God predicted about the latter
days when the nation of Israel would be brought
back and all of this controversy would start
between the Arabs and the Russians and so on
over Israel. God said this, Therefore say to
the house of Israel in Ezekiel 36, 22, Thus says
the Lord God, It is not for your sake, O house
of Israel, that I am about to act, but for my
holy name. which you have profaned among the
nations where you went. I will vindicate the
holiness of my great name, which has been profaned
among the nations, which you have profaned in
their midst. Then the nations will know that
I am the Lord, declares the Lord God, when I
prove myself holy among you in their sight. In
other words, God is saying that it's not because
they have come to a faith in their ancient God
or that they're looking for the Messiah, that
he's protecting them. It is because of his holy
name and by the very miraculous acts of providence
that he has wrought and he will work in the future
in preserving Israel. He says he is going to
vindicate his name, that the nations are going
to begin to know that there is a God that's acting
in history. You know, I'm just thrilled to death
to see what's happening now. You take this latest
Middle East crisis. I can understand the frustrations
of the Arabs. I'm not anti -Arab. That's right.
But at the same time, I believe that Israel has
a right to live. And when they were attacked,
they were caught by surprise. It's a miracle
that they could recover. And especially that
they could come back and take the initiative
and pull off a perfect double envelopment. And
if they'd have gone a couple more days, they
would have surrounded the Second Army as well
as the Third Army. I just don't believe that
they have human wisdom enough to do this. I think
that it's the providence of God that's acting
behind it. I believe every word of that. I just
believe it. And I believe that the situation
is such now that one of these days, a great number
of Israelis are going to begin to recognize that
it's their ancient God. From the word of God.
And that is the very word of God. Israel will
not go down in defeat, no matter what happens.
And all of these things that are happening now,
they're not small things. but they're leading
up to a very great thing. Yes, they are. A war
that will end all wars. And all of these lesser
fightings, just previews, and yet in between
each one, there is a time of mercy. God's mercy
is so marvelous. And now we're seeing a few accepting
the Christ, the true Messiah. But there's coming
an hour when all of Israel. That's right. Well,
isn't it exciting? It's exciting. We'll bow the
head and accept him as a true Messiah. All right.
What's going to happen in the oil crisis? Well,
I believe that the oil crisis has brought. world
involvement to the Middle East. It's intensified
a situation that was already there. I believe
that what is going to happen is that there's
going to become a greater and greater squeeze
on the West with this oil, that there's going
to come about such a tremendous pressure upon
Western nations to turn against Israel, that
eventually there's going to have to be another
miracle brought about. to preserve Israel from
being destroyed. I don't know exactly what that'll
be. I just know it's going to happen. Somehow,
Israel is going to be preserved as a nation.
God said that twice they would be destroyed and
twice they would be driven among the nations,
twice they would come back, and at the end of
that second dispersion, when they would come
back for the second time and resettle the nation,
they would never be driven away again. And so
I know that somehow in this whole controversy,
they have to survive. Daniel tells us that eventually
Europe and the revived form of Rome, which I
believe is going to be the European common market,
that they will sign a pact with the leader of
Israel guaranteeing their survival. It's going
to be interesting to see how that shapes up.
Aren't you thrilled to know that we're living
in one of the greatest times and hour when we're
seeing more prophecy being fulfilled in the shortest
length of time since the first coming of the
Lord Jesus Christ? This is the greatest thing
to me. You know, many people fail to seize the
significance of the moment that never before
have all of these prophecies come together simultaneously.
And that's why I've emphasized the sayings of
Jesus when he said in Matthew 24, learn the parable
of the fig tree. The fig tree puts forth its
leaves, you know that summer is near. Then he
said, even so, when you see all these things,
the prophetic signs coming together, he said,
no, I'm at the door ready to return. That generation
will not pass away. See, this is the first time
I'm thrilled. to see the first copy of There's
a New World Coming. And it's just been off the
press for a couple of weeks, and I got one of
the first copies, right? I sure did. This is
great. There's a new world coming. Yes. The scripture.
This is, I wanted to emphasize that there is
a hope in the midst of what we know is coming.
We know that the world is coming to a point where
it will be near extinction. And then Christ is
going to come back with those who have believed
in him. There'll never be an end to the world.
People are talking about the end of the world.
Not that. It's not the end of the world. But
there is a new world coming. Right. Isn't the
Bible thrilling? It is. It is up to date as tomorrow's
newspaper. And so already there's, how many copies
have been sold in only a couple of weeks? Well,
I believe the latest counts 350 ,000, which is
without precedent. No one can figure such a thing.
It's just that people are so hungry to know what
is happening. This book is on the book of Revelation.
And personally, it's the most exciting book I've
ever worked on. And I sought to make the book
of Revelation understandable to the average man.
And your first book has sold the great late planet
Earth. How many copies of this have been sold?
Well, including the Bantam edition, I understand
that in the American edition, it's at almost
5 million. And it's all scriptural. I hope so.
Again, I want to say to you, Hal Lindsey, I appreciate
the fact that you've stayed with the Word. You
can take the books that you have written in one
hand and the Word of God in the other. I cannot
find one thing that you have written that's contrary
to the Scripture. Well, that is my greatest prayer.
I appreciate it. If you and I will stay with
the Word, and it's in the Word, and this is the
very Word of God. I believe it. We do not have
to defend the word. It needs no defense. This
is. And God will keep his word. No man will change
it. He'll keep this word to the crossing of every
key, the dotting of every I. If you really want
to know what the future holds. If you really.
If you are a part of the news media. If you really.
I say this to politicians. I say this to world
leaders. Newspaper men. Those of you who are
hungry for real information. And you want to
know what the future holds. And I'm not talking
about centuries away. I'm talking about tomorrow.
I'm talking about next week. The word of God
is more up to date than tomorrow morning's newspaper.
You can stake your very life on God's word. Prophecy
is being fulfilled so quickly. Read his word.