WEBVTT 00:00:00.750 --> 00:00:03.529 Catherine Kuhlman often stated, I believe in 00:00:03.529 --> 00:00:06.309 miracles. In this informative discussion at a 00:00:06.309 --> 00:00:08.689 Melodyland conference, Ms. Kuhlman shared the 00:00:08.689 --> 00:00:10.589 deepest insights of her heart on the ministry 00:00:10.589 --> 00:00:13.509 of healing. This is part two of that series. 00:00:19.170 --> 00:00:23.550 The next question here was, is it God's will 00:00:23.550 --> 00:00:29.829 to heal all of the sick? You know, we'll get 00:00:29.829 --> 00:00:33.369 there. The real answer from the master one of 00:00:33.369 --> 00:00:38.609 these days. The real answer. If I could answer 00:00:38.609 --> 00:00:43.950 all of these questions, I would be God. There's 00:00:43.950 --> 00:00:47.890 only one who's perfect wisdom. There's only one 00:00:47.890 --> 00:00:51.710 who is perfect knowledge. To the answer to that 00:00:51.710 --> 00:00:55.170 question, I can only give you my personal opinion. 00:00:55.609 --> 00:01:00.820 That's all. You see... When you're young and 00:01:00.820 --> 00:01:06.439 you're inexperienced, you are very quick to answer 00:01:06.439 --> 00:01:10.519 questions. You think you have all the answers. 00:01:12.379 --> 00:01:17.620 But when you get more mature and you have deeper 00:01:17.620 --> 00:01:20.859 experiences and you become better acquainted 00:01:20.859 --> 00:01:28.040 with the Holy Spirit, you see things very differently. 00:01:28.969 --> 00:01:33.670 Years ago, I wrote a little book. Let me see. 00:01:33.709 --> 00:01:39.230 The name of the book was... Oh. It's a little 00:01:39.230 --> 00:01:43.109 red book. That's all that I know. It was about 00:01:43.109 --> 00:01:46.290 Lydia, and she touched the hem of a garment. 00:01:46.510 --> 00:01:50.030 It's been so many years ago. And in that book, 00:01:50.170 --> 00:01:54.989 I made a very definite statement. It was so definite. 00:01:56.750 --> 00:02:05.799 It was so... I said that definitely. It was the 00:02:05.799 --> 00:02:16.860 perfect will of God that all be healed. That's 00:02:16.860 --> 00:02:24.479 when I was young and inexperienced. Today, those 00:02:24.479 --> 00:02:28.659 who read that little tiny booklet, It's just 00:02:28.659 --> 00:02:34.699 only a few pages. It's red. I want you to know 00:02:34.699 --> 00:02:43.879 that I'm not so sure. In this, and this is very 00:02:43.879 --> 00:02:47.219 personal. This, again, is personal. I can only 00:02:47.219 --> 00:02:50.740 tell you from personal experiences how one lives. 00:02:53.479 --> 00:03:00.840 There is someone that I know. A young man, 19 00:03:00.840 --> 00:03:06.680 years of age, who just a couple of weeks ago 00:03:06.680 --> 00:03:16.860 had a very serious accident. Very serious. In 00:03:16.860 --> 00:03:23.060 fact, the accident was so serious that had it 00:03:23.060 --> 00:03:24.860 not been for the mercy of God, there might have 00:03:24.860 --> 00:03:32.150 been a leg amputation. 19 years of age. But what 00:03:32.150 --> 00:03:38.949 nobody knew was the fact that just three months 00:03:38.949 --> 00:03:47.550 ago, that same young man came to me and questioned 00:03:47.550 --> 00:03:56.169 the reality of God. It's another thing that has 00:03:56.169 --> 00:04:00.800 taken place in college. It's another thing, the 00:04:00.800 --> 00:04:06.000 influence of a psychology teacher. I'm telling 00:04:06.000 --> 00:04:07.680 you what I know. I'm telling you from personal 00:04:07.680 --> 00:04:12.199 experience. Here's a young man who was brought 00:04:12.199 --> 00:04:18.420 up, a Christian mother who's had all the influence 00:04:18.420 --> 00:04:24.939 of spiritual things, a young man marvelously 00:04:24.939 --> 00:04:31.269 born again. The influence of the spirit has stood 00:04:31.269 --> 00:04:35.029 up and spoken before Christian young people groups 00:04:35.029 --> 00:04:38.889 and yet came to me not more than three months 00:04:38.889 --> 00:04:47.709 ago and said to me, how do I know? How do I know? 00:04:47.769 --> 00:04:56.920 How can I be? I said, as I look at... Ain't never 00:04:56.920 --> 00:05:04.199 so shocked in my life. Exactly two weeks ago, 00:05:04.319 --> 00:05:12.600 that young man had an accident, and they thought 00:05:12.600 --> 00:05:16.279 for a while that leg would have to be amputated. 00:05:16.279 --> 00:05:20.139 The good -looking, handsome young fella, 19 years 00:05:20.139 --> 00:05:25.050 of age, for two weeks. He's been there on the 00:05:25.050 --> 00:05:33.250 flat of his back for two weeks. And even now, 00:05:33.550 --> 00:05:41.829 there's a crisis. And just a few days ago, somebody 00:05:41.829 --> 00:05:47.490 said, why does God allow things to happen to 00:05:47.490 --> 00:05:54.879 his children? Why? Why? I know why God allowed 00:05:54.879 --> 00:05:59.100 that to happen to that young man. It's the only 00:05:59.100 --> 00:06:03.939 way he could get him to think. It's the only 00:06:03.939 --> 00:06:09.240 way. Child of mine, I love you enough. And I 00:06:09.240 --> 00:06:11.939 believe in the love of God. I believe whom the 00:06:11.939 --> 00:06:18.740 Lord loveth, he chasteneth. I would believe me 00:06:18.740 --> 00:06:26.240 if I... could this very hour. If my mama were 00:06:26.240 --> 00:06:31.240 standing right here, unashamedly, I would kneel 00:06:31.240 --> 00:06:37.100 and kiss my mother's feet and say to her mama, 00:06:37.579 --> 00:06:44.420 I'm glad you disciplined me. I'm glad you were 00:06:44.420 --> 00:06:48.699 strict with me. I'm glad you didn't let me do 00:06:48.699 --> 00:06:58.259 what the other kids did. And for that day, when 00:06:58.259 --> 00:07:04.420 that Rother girl came to our home and begged 00:07:04.420 --> 00:07:08.339 and begged and begged for you to let me stay 00:07:08.339 --> 00:07:15.199 all night at her house when we were just 13 -year 00:07:15.199 --> 00:07:19.199 -old kids. And I bawled and I said, Mama, but 00:07:19.199 --> 00:07:21.860 all the other kids are doing it. All of the other 00:07:21.860 --> 00:07:26.009 kids are doing it. Mama, please. The other kids 00:07:26.009 --> 00:07:29.889 are doing it. And Mama just stood there and shook 00:07:29.889 --> 00:07:39.029 her. We said, no. I don't care what the other 00:07:39.029 --> 00:07:43.790 children are doing. You're not going to stay 00:07:43.790 --> 00:07:49.930 all night. When night comes, your bed is here. 00:07:51.790 --> 00:08:03.269 You're going to be home at the age of 15. That 00:08:03.269 --> 00:08:08.689 girl was rushed to the hospital. They removed 00:08:08.689 --> 00:08:13.889 her illegitimate child, and the child, the unborn 00:08:13.889 --> 00:08:17.810 child, was so eaten with disease, they had to 00:08:17.810 --> 00:08:23.120 remove it piece by piece. Peace. And she died 00:08:23.120 --> 00:08:34.360 on the operating table. I'm glad for a mother 00:08:34.360 --> 00:08:39.740 who loved me enough to be strict with me. I thank 00:08:39.740 --> 00:08:46.840 my mother that she loved me enough not to let 00:08:46.840 --> 00:08:51.470 me do whatever I wanted to do. Whom the Lord 00:08:51.470 --> 00:08:58.029 loveth, he chasteth. And, beloved, a God in perfect 00:08:58.029 --> 00:09:02.389 wisdom and perfect knowledge, it's the same thing 00:09:02.389 --> 00:09:05.649 as somebody said, if I had a million dollars, 00:09:05.909 --> 00:09:10.429 what I'd do with it. If you had a million dollars, 00:09:10.470 --> 00:09:17.230 you'd backslide. Because you aren't being faithful 00:09:17.230 --> 00:09:24.230 with the $10 you have now. He couldn't trust 00:09:24.230 --> 00:09:32.690 you with anymore. I cannot say this is my own 00:09:32.690 --> 00:09:40.169 personal answer. I cannot say it is God's perfect 00:09:40.169 --> 00:09:46.230 will because God knows how you would use your 00:09:46.230 --> 00:09:53.559 healing and what you would do if. You were healed. 00:09:54.500 --> 00:09:57.379 I leave it to God's perfect wisdom and God's 00:09:57.379 --> 00:09:59.480 perfect knowledge. How many understand? Put it 00:09:59.480 --> 00:10:05.460 back. Someone wants to know how old you are, 00:10:05.519 --> 00:10:10.980 Ms. Kuhlman. I'm old enough to vote. Good enough. 00:10:17.559 --> 00:10:21.100 That's good enough. And as a woman, it's a wolf. 00:10:23.370 --> 00:10:28.909 A man wouldn't dare. I'll stay. When do you think 00:10:28.909 --> 00:10:31.169 Jesus is coming back in person? The approximate 00:10:31.169 --> 00:10:36.009 year. I think one would be very foolish. Remember 00:10:36.009 --> 00:10:38.269 something. Say, how many are enjoying this? Put 00:10:38.269 --> 00:10:46.330 up a hand. Oh, that's good. I sure am. Now remember 00:10:46.330 --> 00:10:49.750 something. Stay with the scripture. And I want 00:10:49.750 --> 00:10:52.429 to say to you folks, let me just give you this 00:10:52.429 --> 00:10:56.970 word of advice. When anybody starts making a 00:10:56.970 --> 00:11:03.149 definite prediction as to a given date, a given 00:11:03.149 --> 00:11:11.629 time, that one is speaking in error because the 00:11:11.629 --> 00:11:15.690 Bible says the times and the seasons will know. 00:11:17.200 --> 00:11:20.200 We don't know the times and the seasons, and 00:11:20.200 --> 00:11:23.940 we know, we know if you've got an ounce of spirituality. 00:11:25.059 --> 00:11:29.659 If you know the scripture at all, you know that 00:11:29.659 --> 00:11:33.980 when the leaves begin to turn, you know that, 00:11:34.019 --> 00:11:37.039 of course, out here in California, I'm talking 00:11:37.039 --> 00:11:41.320 about the folks in the east. When the leaves 00:11:41.320 --> 00:11:44.840 begin to turn, somebody says, well. We're coming 00:11:44.840 --> 00:11:50.559 into fall now, you know. Sure. And at the close 00:11:50.559 --> 00:11:56.980 of winter, when you begin to see the trees begin 00:11:56.980 --> 00:11:59.759 to bud, you say, well, we're not going to have 00:11:59.759 --> 00:12:02.899 to travel over ice much longer. We're not going 00:12:02.899 --> 00:12:07.500 to have snow much longer. Why? Because it's spring, 00:12:07.659 --> 00:12:15.980 the times and the seasons, and we know. We know 00:12:15.980 --> 00:12:20.279 without fear of contradiction that we're at the 00:12:20.279 --> 00:12:23.799 very threshold of the rapture of the church. 00:12:23.960 --> 00:12:30.500 We know that. We know that. It can take place. 00:12:30.500 --> 00:12:31.879 We can have the break catching up. We can have 00:12:31.879 --> 00:12:34.320 the rapture of the church before I will have 00:12:34.320 --> 00:12:41.799 finished speaking. And no Bible student can say 00:12:41.799 --> 00:12:46.940 that he had the rapture. Too soon. So far as 00:12:46.940 --> 00:12:50.220 I know, not one thing has to be fulfilled because, 00:12:50.340 --> 00:12:57.779 beloved, the tribulation begins after the great 00:12:57.779 --> 00:13:01.019 catching up, as it was in the days of Noah. Remember, 00:13:01.220 --> 00:13:09.179 the warning was given, and the door of the ark 00:13:09.179 --> 00:13:15.570 was shut. Before the rains came, not a drop of 00:13:15.570 --> 00:13:21.210 water got in the ark. Not a drop of the floodwaters 00:13:21.210 --> 00:13:30.190 got into the ark. God shut the door. God closed 00:13:30.190 --> 00:13:35.669 that door. The great rapture of the church is 00:13:35.669 --> 00:13:39.370 a way of escape. It isn't. a time for the perfecting 00:13:39.370 --> 00:13:42.110 of the saints. Know that. There are those who 00:13:42.110 --> 00:13:44.090 feel that the saints have to go through the great 00:13:44.090 --> 00:13:46.789 tribulation. We're not having the tribulation 00:13:46.789 --> 00:13:51.929 for the perfecting of the saints. If you aren't 00:13:51.929 --> 00:13:56.710 ready right now, if you aren't ready right now, 00:13:56.830 --> 00:14:00.269 going through the tribulation will not make you 00:14:00.269 --> 00:14:05.429 any more ready. It is not for the perfecting 00:14:05.429 --> 00:14:09.919 of the saints. or this church. It's the time 00:14:09.919 --> 00:14:12.059 when God keeps his earthly covenants with the 00:14:12.059 --> 00:14:17.340 Jews, with Israel. And we have the great catching 00:14:17.340 --> 00:14:21.879 up before judgment strikes. And I don't want 00:14:21.879 --> 00:14:28.120 to be here one second after the rapture of the 00:14:28.120 --> 00:14:31.139 church because this great constraining power, 00:14:31.240 --> 00:14:36.210 the Holy Spirit, will be gone. But the Bible 00:14:36.210 --> 00:14:43.629 says, the day and the hour knoweth no man. The 00:14:43.629 --> 00:14:48.889 day and the hour, not even the angels in heaven. 00:14:50.090 --> 00:14:55.629 If God hasn't told the angels in glory, what 00:14:55.629 --> 00:15:00.350 month, what day, what hour, he's not going to 00:15:00.350 --> 00:15:04.240 tell you and he's not going to tell me. How many 00:15:04.240 --> 00:15:07.679 believe I'm right? That is one thing that he 00:15:07.679 --> 00:15:13.659 has reserved unto himself. That is one thing 00:15:13.659 --> 00:15:16.840 that he's reserved. So that when anybody comes 00:15:16.840 --> 00:15:22.200 and says, the Lord is going to come, we're going 00:15:22.200 --> 00:15:24.840 to have the rapture of the church, such and such 00:15:24.840 --> 00:15:29.620 a day, such and such a month, such and such an 00:15:29.620 --> 00:15:33.929 hour, you say, brother, That is not scripture. 00:15:35.070 --> 00:15:41.970 The times, the seasons, we know. But the day 00:15:41.970 --> 00:15:46.970 and the hour knoweth no man. I'm talking about 00:15:46.970 --> 00:15:50.450 the rapture. When it comes to the second coming 00:15:50.450 --> 00:15:53.789 of the Lord Jesus Christ, and it comes back to 00:15:53.789 --> 00:15:58.889 earth in bodily form, that will take place exactly 00:15:58.889 --> 00:16:03.830 seven years. after the rapture of the church, 00:16:03.970 --> 00:16:07.070 the great catching up. How many say that? Put 00:16:07.070 --> 00:16:12.230 up a hand. Now, be careful. Let the enemy get 00:16:12.230 --> 00:16:15.710 you off on a limb and somebody begins predicting 00:16:15.710 --> 00:16:24.309 a month, a day, or an hour. If somebody gets 00:16:24.309 --> 00:16:32.240 a message and you think it's from God, And in 00:16:32.240 --> 00:16:36.019 that message, and you think it's of the Spirit, 00:16:36.179 --> 00:16:42.840 and in that message, there's a definite day and 00:16:42.840 --> 00:16:46.019 a definite hour you've heard from the wrong spirit. 00:16:47.259 --> 00:16:50.100 Amen. Thank you, Catherine Cuban. We're in the 00:16:50.100 --> 00:16:53.460 Charismatic Clinic and Christian Center in Anaheim. 00:16:54.059 --> 00:16:57.679 And someone said that in the shrine service that 00:16:57.679 --> 00:17:00.580 you have each month in Los Angeles, They wanted 00:17:00.580 --> 00:17:02.639 to know, do you actually see the man or the woman 00:17:02.639 --> 00:17:05.759 in the spirit when you say that someone up in 00:17:05.759 --> 00:17:08.640 a certain section is receiving his healing? Or 00:17:08.640 --> 00:17:12.019 do you experience some reaction in your own physical 00:17:12.019 --> 00:17:14.700 body that you know about it? How does this work? 00:17:15.980 --> 00:17:19.839 All right, I'll answer this as the best that 00:17:19.839 --> 00:17:22.519 I can. I tried to talk about that this morning. 00:17:22.579 --> 00:17:27.259 Do you understand there's some things that are 00:17:27.259 --> 00:17:30.410 of the spirit? For instance, a few minutes ago, 00:17:30.549 --> 00:17:33.289 when these men were telling of their experiences, 00:17:33.509 --> 00:17:35.650 those who went on the power for the very first 00:17:35.650 --> 00:17:41.849 time, could you really, do you have it in your 00:17:41.849 --> 00:17:46.930 vocabulary to really express what happened when 00:17:46.930 --> 00:17:51.009 you were filled with the Spirit? Could you really? 00:17:51.630 --> 00:17:55.289 You can't. And when it comes to that which I 00:17:55.289 --> 00:18:01.619 experience, Sometimes for 15 minutes at a time, 00:18:01.680 --> 00:18:03.220 after a service was over, somebody will say, 00:18:03.339 --> 00:18:07.720 well, you remember that woman that did so -and 00:18:07.720 --> 00:18:12.599 -so and so -and -so? I don't know one thing about 00:18:12.599 --> 00:18:18.619 it. Or someone will testify and say, Ms. Kuhlman 00:18:18.619 --> 00:18:21.799 said that there is so -and -so over here to her 00:18:21.799 --> 00:18:26.500 right. And she said that person and described 00:18:26.500 --> 00:18:32.480 me and all about it. I have no recollection of 00:18:32.480 --> 00:18:39.779 it whatsoever. None. I can go through 15, 20 00:18:39.779 --> 00:18:45.400 minutes, 30 minutes of a service and not be aware 00:18:45.400 --> 00:18:52.759 of a single personality. Take for instance the 00:18:52.759 --> 00:18:57.859 Shrine Auditorium. 7 ,000 people there. I can 00:18:57.859 --> 00:19:00.359 go over that length of time and not be conscious 00:19:00.359 --> 00:19:10.440 of a single personality, not one. I am only conscious 00:19:10.440 --> 00:19:22.460 of the Holy Spirit. I am following Him. I don't 00:19:22.460 --> 00:19:27.269 know if you understand what I mean or not. You 00:19:27.269 --> 00:19:44.250 become, the best I can say, a violin. That violin 00:19:44.250 --> 00:20:00.900 means nothing. Absolutely. Unless there is the 00:20:00.900 --> 00:20:13.160 master hand that takes that bow. And when that 00:20:13.160 --> 00:20:21.720 master violinist takes that bow and those strings 00:20:30.059 --> 00:20:39.759 key so perfectly those strings are so tight they're 00:20:39.759 --> 00:20:49.000 sensitive to the master who holds that oh i'm 00:20:49.000 --> 00:20:55.640 nothing but the old violin case and i become 00:20:55.640 --> 00:21:06.140 so sensitive I follow him. I watch him. That's 00:21:06.140 --> 00:21:08.940 the reason sometimes all I can say is, it's waves 00:21:08.940 --> 00:21:12.839 of glory in this place. It's waves of glory in 00:21:12.839 --> 00:21:19.079 this place. There is something that almost lifts 00:21:19.079 --> 00:21:23.940 me out of my body. You say to me, Catherine Kuhlman, 00:21:24.019 --> 00:21:29.099 how can you work the way you do? You still live? 00:21:31.190 --> 00:21:36.569 15, 16 years ago, Dr. Miller visited me and he 00:21:36.569 --> 00:21:45.650 said, I can't let you die. I can't let you die. 00:21:49.309 --> 00:21:53.789 I've watched you work as surgeon in Pittsburgh 00:21:53.789 --> 00:21:57.769 for years on the stack of Shadyside Hospital. 00:22:00.359 --> 00:22:03.160 He said I know enough about the physical body 00:22:03.160 --> 00:22:07.000 that no physical body can take the beating that 00:22:07.000 --> 00:22:14.720 your body takes. I know the physical body. I 00:22:14.720 --> 00:22:18.880 can't stand by and see a body beaten like yours 00:22:18.880 --> 00:22:24.079 and take what your body is taking. You've got 00:22:24.079 --> 00:22:28.920 the letter. Dr. Miller's dead and I'm still going. 00:22:31.980 --> 00:22:37.779 I'll tell you what it is. Something happens to 00:22:37.779 --> 00:22:50.299 me. There is a refreshee in my own body. It's 00:22:50.299 --> 00:22:53.799 the resurrection power that goes through my own 00:22:53.799 --> 00:22:58.700 body. You men who get so whipped after 30 minutes. 00:23:02.640 --> 00:23:05.400 that you have to take the rest of the week off 00:23:05.400 --> 00:23:18.400 to rest. You make me sick. You haven't learned 00:23:18.400 --> 00:23:25.500 the secret. You haven't learned the secret. If 00:23:25.500 --> 00:23:33.569 you're a pastor, after 30 minutes, If all that 00:23:33.569 --> 00:23:38.269 he preaches is from half past 11 to 12 o 'clock, 00:23:38.450 --> 00:23:43.950 30 minutes, and he's memorized his sermon at 00:23:43.950 --> 00:23:49.630 that, and after those 30 minutes, he has to take 00:23:49.630 --> 00:23:53.210 six days off to rest from the 30 minutes, there's 00:23:53.210 --> 00:23:58.910 something wrong someplace. For when you preach 00:23:58.910 --> 00:24:07.170 in the Spirit, There is a refreshing for your 00:24:07.170 --> 00:24:13.970 own body that comes from the spirit. And it's 00:24:13.970 --> 00:24:19.829 just like that. No. There is no sensation in 00:24:19.829 --> 00:24:24.009 my own body. If you want to know whether there's 00:24:24.009 --> 00:24:31.569 some sensation in my hand. No. No. Is there some 00:24:31.569 --> 00:24:37.029 power flowing through my... No. No. All I can 00:24:37.029 --> 00:24:43.009 tell you is that sometimes I get so filled with 00:24:43.009 --> 00:24:44.549 the Spirit I can hardly stand on my feet, you 00:24:44.549 --> 00:24:48.230 know. And I think, oh dear, Jesus is going to 00:24:48.230 --> 00:24:50.009 look just awful if I'm flat here on the flat 00:24:50.009 --> 00:24:51.750 of my back like a lizard flattened out in the 00:24:51.750 --> 00:24:53.230 sun before all these people. What am I going 00:24:53.230 --> 00:24:54.809 to do, you know? It's just kind of like this. 00:24:55.569 --> 00:24:58.809 Somebody, you know, and there are times when 00:24:58.809 --> 00:25:03.349 my own body Every part of me just vibrates with 00:25:03.349 --> 00:25:07.109 the power of God. But it isn't that there's any 00:25:07.109 --> 00:25:14.789 healing virtue that flows through my hands. It's 00:25:14.789 --> 00:25:17.730 the power of the Holy Spirit who does it. And 00:25:17.730 --> 00:25:23.809 he is the one who gives the spiritual revelation. 00:25:25.690 --> 00:25:31.920 Not me. How many stand? Put up a hand. Stand 00:25:31.920 --> 00:25:35.299 up just for a moment. Stretch, huh? Wonderful. 00:25:35.599 --> 00:25:37.680 You're listening to Charismatic Clinic and I'm 00:25:37.680 --> 00:25:39.960 Christian Sinner. And tonight, Reverend David 00:25:39.960 --> 00:25:42.000 Duplessis will be here with us. Final night of 00:25:42.000 --> 00:25:46.000 the clinic. I love your plan to be with us. Radio 00:25:46.000 --> 00:25:49.220 station KHOF 99 .5 Los Angeles. You may be seated, 00:25:49.299 --> 00:25:52.839 folks. Oh, dear goodness, the light. All right, 00:25:52.880 --> 00:25:55.019 sit down, because I'm only going to go on about 00:25:55.019 --> 00:25:58.750 seven minutes longer, and that's all. Seven minutes. 00:25:58.869 --> 00:26:00.630 Yeah, that's all. Somebody said, oh, sit down. 00:26:00.690 --> 00:26:04.150 That's all right. Oh, God love you. How many 00:26:04.150 --> 00:26:06.470 really are enjoying this? When I say three, say 00:26:06.470 --> 00:26:11.630 amen. No, I haven't said three yet. When I say 00:26:11.630 --> 00:26:17.730 three, say amen. And there was a preacher that 00:26:17.730 --> 00:26:20.529 started with that amen. All right. One, two, 00:26:20.609 --> 00:26:25.650 three. Well, if you aren't, get up and go out 00:26:25.650 --> 00:26:27.130 because there's some people on the outside who'd 00:26:27.130 --> 00:26:29.710 love to come in, you know. He's coming here learning 00:26:29.710 --> 00:26:34.450 something. Put up a hand. All right. Say hi to 00:26:34.450 --> 00:26:36.089 all those over in the annex, Ms. Kuhlman, will 00:26:36.089 --> 00:26:37.710 you? Just wave at them. They're on the closed 00:26:37.710 --> 00:26:43.609 door. Hi. Thank you. Come on over if you can 00:26:43.609 --> 00:26:48.750 get in. They can't. Ms. Kuhlman, they say here 00:26:48.750 --> 00:26:51.230 they recognize God's power in the services here 00:26:51.230 --> 00:26:53.769 at Christian Center. and also at the shrine. 00:26:54.549 --> 00:26:57.049 Is not this same manifestation of the Spirit 00:26:57.049 --> 00:26:59.109 needed in our denominational churches today? 00:26:59.210 --> 00:27:02.250 And you say it is, but how can we get it into 00:27:02.250 --> 00:27:07.690 these churches, and how can this happen? Now 00:27:07.690 --> 00:27:14.369 remember, of this ministry, of praying for the 00:27:14.369 --> 00:27:21.390 sick, there's a plan in God's Word for the church. 00:27:25.289 --> 00:27:30.450 Call for the elders of the church. Anointing 00:27:30.450 --> 00:27:35.529 them with oil. And the prayer of faith shall 00:27:35.529 --> 00:27:43.509 save the sick. I wouldn't have a man on my board. 00:27:44.609 --> 00:27:47.670 I wouldn't have a deacon. I wouldn't have an 00:27:47.670 --> 00:27:54.170 elder. Now we get into some deep things. I could 00:27:54.170 --> 00:27:55.670 talk like this because I don't have a church. 00:27:58.309 --> 00:28:01.829 It was never in the plan of God. Never. I'd be 00:28:01.829 --> 00:28:05.710 completely out of the will of the Lord if I were 00:28:05.710 --> 00:28:12.089 to build a church. That's not my calling. That 00:28:12.089 --> 00:28:15.769 is not my ministry. Very definitely it is not. 00:28:16.670 --> 00:28:22.420 Understand that. If I would go off... and build 00:28:22.420 --> 00:28:26.539 a church. Reverend Mr. Wilkerson is a pastor. 00:28:28.440 --> 00:28:33.400 He's a pastor. Now, back home in Pittsburgh, 00:28:33.460 --> 00:28:37.200 there are literally hundreds of people who call 00:28:37.200 --> 00:28:43.400 me a pastor. But I don't have a church. You understand? 00:28:44.079 --> 00:28:49.660 I have never, and I'll tell you why. I, Carnegie 00:28:49.660 --> 00:28:52.480 Ritramnar's side, is a city -owned building. 00:28:53.079 --> 00:28:58.000 Big Carnegie Music Hall, we rent that. The Stambaugh 00:28:58.000 --> 00:29:03.880 Auditorium, we rent that. Wherever I go, I take 00:29:03.880 --> 00:29:08.740 civic auditoriums because that is my ministry. 00:29:09.500 --> 00:29:15.640 And in ready -lease auditoriums, then I get everybody. 00:29:15.680 --> 00:29:18.460 I get people who do not feel free to attend a 00:29:18.460 --> 00:29:21.880 church. People who haven't been in church in 00:29:21.880 --> 00:29:24.680 years and years will come to a public auditorium. 00:29:25.400 --> 00:29:29.019 And then I go fishing. Do you understand that? 00:29:29.480 --> 00:29:35.500 Yeah. And so, even though some may call me a 00:29:35.500 --> 00:29:42.700 pastor, instead of building a church here in 00:29:42.700 --> 00:29:46.660 the United States, this ministry has built... 00:29:46.990 --> 00:29:51.809 21 mission stations on foreign fields. I build 00:29:51.809 --> 00:29:54.269 all my churches on foreign fields. How many think 00:29:54.269 --> 00:29:57.450 that's a good idea? And it's just like that. 00:29:59.250 --> 00:30:03.930 But would it be something if everybody built 00:30:03.930 --> 00:30:05.630 their churches on foreign fields? That's the 00:30:05.630 --> 00:30:09.529 reason we thank God for Pastor Wilkerson. And 00:30:09.529 --> 00:30:13.130 we thank our God for the pastors here. That is 00:30:13.130 --> 00:30:17.500 a part of God's great plan. But I was never called 00:30:17.500 --> 00:30:24.240 to be a pastor. Never. Never. God has certain 00:30:24.240 --> 00:30:29.359 work for certain individuals. Certain colleagues. 00:30:30.859 --> 00:30:36.240 I've been asked over and over again, why, Ms. 00:30:36.319 --> 00:30:41.599 Coleman, why do you think that Billy Graham doesn't 00:30:41.599 --> 00:30:45.160 pray for the sick? Is it a lack of spirituality? 00:30:46.099 --> 00:30:54.720 A thousand times no. Don't you ever question 00:30:54.720 --> 00:30:58.200 his spirituality because he doesn't pray for 00:30:58.200 --> 00:31:04.019 the sick. That is his ministry. Don't you ever. 00:31:06.099 --> 00:31:10.599 There are those who'd be quick to say if he were 00:31:10.599 --> 00:31:14.680 more spiritual. Don't you dare. I cannot feel 00:31:14.680 --> 00:31:21.579 his shoes and neither can he feel my shoes. His 00:31:21.579 --> 00:31:25.200 ministry is a ministry of salvation. How many 00:31:25.200 --> 00:31:30.140 understand that? Put up a hand. His calling is 00:31:30.140 --> 00:31:37.799 one thing. My calling is another. God has given 00:31:37.799 --> 00:31:45.549 me this ministry. Whatever it is, I wonder myself, 00:31:45.690 --> 00:31:50.910 what is it? Whatever it is, Rel, but for every 00:31:50.910 --> 00:31:56.349 pastor in the country to try to either imitate 00:31:56.349 --> 00:32:02.869 Billy Graham or to imitate me, you may be out 00:32:02.869 --> 00:32:05.190 of the will of God in doing so. How many understand 00:32:05.190 --> 00:32:09.079 that? Put up a hand. And it's like that. you 00:32:09.079 --> 00:32:15.980 dare not get anyone on your board unless that 00:32:15.980 --> 00:32:20.720 one is in perfect harmony and unity with you. 00:32:23.180 --> 00:32:31.680 If I had a church, if I was a pastor, I would 00:32:31.680 --> 00:32:37.779 not have a man serving on the board who was not 00:32:38.460 --> 00:32:42.779 in one accord with me. I'd get rid of that man 00:32:42.779 --> 00:32:49.180 so fast you wouldn't see him. I don't care what 00:32:49.180 --> 00:32:54.400 influence he has. That is one of the secrets 00:32:54.400 --> 00:32:57.079 if I could tell you, if I could only tell you. 00:32:57.319 --> 00:33:06.660 How can I say there is a secret in oneness in 00:33:06.660 --> 00:33:10.420 the spirit? There has got to be a oneness in 00:33:10.420 --> 00:33:14.259 the spirit. There has got to be. It's got to 00:33:14.259 --> 00:33:21.119 be. It's got to be. It's just got to be. It's 00:33:21.119 --> 00:33:25.240 just got to be. One man can throw a monkey wrench 00:33:25.240 --> 00:33:28.740 in the whole thing. One man can read the Holy 00:33:28.740 --> 00:33:34.339 Spirit. Rap as long as you have men on your board. 00:33:34.420 --> 00:33:38.839 As long as you have men working with you. For 00:33:38.839 --> 00:33:41.380 in oneness of the Spirit with you, there's no 00:33:41.380 --> 00:33:44.980 limit to what God will do for you. But the very 00:33:44.980 --> 00:33:49.660 second you get somebody in who'll throw a monkey 00:33:49.660 --> 00:33:56.119 wrench in the thing, because you see, the Holy 00:33:56.119 --> 00:34:00.519 Spirit is easily grieved. I don't think any of 00:34:00.519 --> 00:34:03.380 you know how sensitive the Holy Spirit is. Well, 00:34:03.460 --> 00:34:09.469 in the Bible, he's likened unto a dove. The gentlest 00:34:09.469 --> 00:34:16.289 of all birds. I wish I could tell you. That's 00:34:16.289 --> 00:34:20.269 the reason you may feel that I'm very strict 00:34:20.269 --> 00:34:23.789 in the service. Because I don't allow certain 00:34:23.789 --> 00:34:32.550 things. It isn't me. Whispering. When people 00:34:32.550 --> 00:34:39.349 are talking. Two people are talking. It can greet 00:34:39.349 --> 00:34:44.670 the Holy Spirit just like that. I can tell you. 00:34:46.030 --> 00:34:50.030 I can tell you like that. When I walk on the 00:34:50.030 --> 00:34:52.369 platform and the power of God begins falling, 00:34:52.530 --> 00:34:56.070 if there's anybody sitting behind me who is not 00:34:56.070 --> 00:34:58.969 with me in the Spirit, I can tell you. I can 00:34:58.969 --> 00:35:06.150 tell you. I can tell you. Many a time I could 00:35:06.150 --> 00:35:13.500 stop. and point to someone sitting on the preacher's 00:35:13.500 --> 00:35:20.000 row and point my finger right at them and rebuke 00:35:20.000 --> 00:35:29.039 that critical spirit. In the upper room, they 00:35:29.039 --> 00:35:35.099 were all with one accord. The Holy Spirit did 00:35:35.099 --> 00:35:40.130 not descend upon them. until they were all with 00:35:40.130 --> 00:35:43.969 one accord. Oh, the early church was glorious. 00:35:44.170 --> 00:35:48.550 They had all things in common. Oh, it was marvelous. 00:35:49.570 --> 00:35:54.869 It was glorious. As long as they all had that 00:35:54.869 --> 00:35:58.230 wonderful love of Jesus and there was perfect 00:35:58.230 --> 00:36:04.329 unity there, it was glorious. But, beloved, just 00:36:04.329 --> 00:36:11.250 as soon... As one of them started to pull. And 00:36:11.250 --> 00:36:23.010 another. And another. That's when any church 00:36:23.010 --> 00:36:28.889 will begin losing out spiritually. When they 00:36:28.889 --> 00:36:35.969 are no longer in one accord. How many of you 00:36:35.969 --> 00:36:39.269 preachers understand? Put up a hand. I don't 00:36:39.269 --> 00:36:46.670 care how much your geekity gets. I don't care 00:36:46.670 --> 00:36:56.369 how much that elder gives. He's not with you 00:36:56.369 --> 00:37:07.590 and there's not the oneness in the spirit. Call 00:37:07.590 --> 00:37:14.250 them aside and say, Brother, there must be perfect 00:37:14.250 --> 00:37:19.789 harmony, even as the Father, the Son, and the 00:37:19.789 --> 00:37:28.809 Holy Spirit. Remember, separate persons, separate 00:37:28.809 --> 00:37:33.690 personalities, but the Holy Spirit never works 00:37:33.690 --> 00:37:38.079 apart from the Father. He never works apart from 00:37:38.079 --> 00:37:41.619 Jesus. Jesus never worked apart from the Holy 00:37:41.619 --> 00:37:45.739 Spirit nor the Father. Three persons, but the 00:37:45.739 --> 00:37:53.559 three in one. One in unity and harmony. Want 00:37:53.559 --> 00:37:57.219 me to quit on that? Ms. Cooman, we're getting 00:37:57.219 --> 00:37:59.980 too much out of it. How many of you would like 00:37:59.980 --> 00:38:02.349 for it to go on ten more minutes, huh? It'll 00:38:02.349 --> 00:38:03.849 be four o 'clock then. That's when we're supposed 00:38:03.849 --> 00:38:05.929 to go off. Okay. Could you allow four minutes? 00:38:06.250 --> 00:38:11.150 How many are getting tired of it? Stand up. Nobody 00:38:11.150 --> 00:38:17.570 stands. All right. Just ten more minutes. All 00:38:17.570 --> 00:38:20.409 right. Please explain why women are to preach 00:38:20.409 --> 00:38:22.809 the gospel and are not to keep silent in the 00:38:22.809 --> 00:38:25.610 church. Why they're not to keep silent in the 00:38:25.610 --> 00:38:29.760 church. Why women... preach the gospel and i 00:38:29.760 --> 00:38:31.559 don't know they're trying to bring up the verse 00:38:31.559 --> 00:38:34.219 well i still think if he could have found a man 00:38:34.219 --> 00:38:36.420 to do the job that i'm doing he never would have 00:38:36.420 --> 00:38:48.380 called me i think the answer that came one day 00:38:48.380 --> 00:38:50.380 in the shrine was one of pastor came up and said 00:38:50.380 --> 00:38:52.800 you just declare you're a handmaiden but he says 00:38:52.800 --> 00:38:54.440 he wished he could do as much as a handmaiden 00:38:57.619 --> 00:39:00.280 Here's another question about a person wanting 00:39:00.280 --> 00:39:04.380 to know, why is it that some people in the services 00:39:04.380 --> 00:39:07.400 receive the gift of the Holy Spirit, some of 00:39:07.400 --> 00:39:11.960 them do not when you're praying for them? Why 00:39:11.960 --> 00:39:16.960 some receive the gift. Now, of course, you see, 00:39:17.079 --> 00:39:19.380 you're talking about the baptism of the Holy 00:39:19.380 --> 00:39:25.019 Spirit, right, Ralph? Right. Of course, now this. 00:39:27.599 --> 00:39:30.940 Why did they have to tarry in the upper room? 00:39:34.380 --> 00:39:39.599 I can just imagine in that upper room. Do you 00:39:39.599 --> 00:39:46.820 see they tarried? And I can imagine John praying 00:39:46.820 --> 00:39:52.329 like a house of fire when he's got... Time to 00:39:52.329 --> 00:39:54.369 rest a bit. He opened his eyes and looked around. 00:39:54.469 --> 00:39:56.750 He saw Peter praying. He thought, you old rascal, 00:39:56.849 --> 00:39:58.590 you'll never be filled with the Holy Spirit. 00:39:58.630 --> 00:40:11.610 I know so many bad things about you. Oh. I do 00:40:11.610 --> 00:40:17.590 not believe that one is filled with the Spirit. 00:40:19.500 --> 00:40:22.719 until they are in a position to be filled with 00:40:22.719 --> 00:40:27.860 the Spirit. Do you understand what I'm talking 00:40:27.860 --> 00:40:34.400 about? This thing of being filled with the Holy 00:40:34.400 --> 00:40:44.380 Spirit is something very precious. And you don't 00:40:44.380 --> 00:40:50.789 put something very precious In an old dirty container. 00:40:52.829 --> 00:40:59.170 You don't do it. If you've got something very 00:40:59.170 --> 00:41:09.590 precious. There's got to be a cleansing. There 00:41:09.590 --> 00:41:19.980 has got to be a cleansing. Before that. Wine, 00:41:20.019 --> 00:41:29.239 take that miracle at the wedding at Cana. We 00:41:29.239 --> 00:41:33.099 talk about the wine, Jesus turning the water 00:41:33.099 --> 00:41:38.099 into wine. But had you ever thought, and so much 00:41:38.099 --> 00:41:43.860 emphasis is placed on the wine. But before there 00:41:43.860 --> 00:41:46.960 was ever the wine, that's the symbol of the Holy 00:41:46.960 --> 00:41:50.090 Spirit. And Jesus could have just spoken the 00:41:50.090 --> 00:41:58.349 word. And those empty bottles, those empty containers, 00:41:58.510 --> 00:42:04.630 those empty pots could have immediately been 00:42:04.630 --> 00:42:08.250 filled with the wine. He could have spoken just 00:42:08.250 --> 00:42:13.550 one word. And he had the power in that split 00:42:13.550 --> 00:42:19.150 second to have filled every... empty pot to have 00:42:19.150 --> 00:42:21.789 filled every empty bottle to have filled every 00:42:21.789 --> 00:42:30.110 empty vessel with wine. But he didn't. There 00:42:30.110 --> 00:42:40.809 was water first. There was water first. And it 00:42:40.809 --> 00:42:44.550 takes the blood of Jesus Christ, God's Son, to 00:42:44.550 --> 00:42:52.039 cleanse us. the water of everlasting life, the 00:42:52.039 --> 00:42:59.559 water that I shall give. And when there is that 00:42:59.559 --> 00:43:05.059 glorious cleansing by the blood of the Son of 00:43:05.059 --> 00:43:10.460 the living God, and when you're in that position 00:43:10.460 --> 00:43:14.780 where you can look up and say, none of self. 00:43:16.110 --> 00:43:22.010 Let self be crucified, but all of thee. And there's 00:43:22.010 --> 00:43:26.969 that complete surrender. And you give yourself 00:43:26.969 --> 00:43:30.769 completely unto him, for he feels that which 00:43:30.769 --> 00:43:35.889 you yield unto him. He'll never feel an unclean 00:43:35.889 --> 00:43:39.929 vest, never with the Holy Spirit. But when you 00:43:39.929 --> 00:43:43.730 get to that place, you've been cleansed by the 00:43:43.730 --> 00:43:50.760 blood of Jesus Christ. And you become yielded 00:43:50.760 --> 00:43:56.619 unto him. And that hunger, blessed is he who 00:43:56.619 --> 00:44:00.739 hungers and thirsts after righteousness. There 00:44:00.739 --> 00:44:08.219 must be that hunger. But beloved, when that hunger 00:44:08.219 --> 00:44:18.739 comes, keep your eyes on Jesus. is the one to 00:44:18.739 --> 00:44:26.980 be filled, you praise Jesus. And in that moment, 00:44:27.019 --> 00:44:32.860 you will receive that for which every atom of 00:44:32.860 --> 00:44:36.840 your being longs for. Here's the final question. 00:44:37.139 --> 00:44:41.400 A person has had a real experience with God in 00:44:41.400 --> 00:44:44.239 the charismatic clinic. But is still having some 00:44:44.239 --> 00:44:47.079 problem with the cigarette habit. He wants to 00:44:47.079 --> 00:44:49.380 know, is this an addiction, or is it demonically 00:44:49.380 --> 00:44:52.460 caused, or what can he do about it? That's a 00:44:52.460 --> 00:44:55.880 good question. All right, I'll be very frank. 00:44:55.940 --> 00:44:59.840 This is my last question. I've enjoyed today. 00:45:00.119 --> 00:45:09.760 I've enjoyed this. I have never in my life ever 00:45:09.760 --> 00:45:16.159 preached a sermon. against cigarettes. I've never 00:45:16.159 --> 00:45:20.860 preached a sermon against dress. I've never preached 00:45:20.860 --> 00:45:27.199 a sermon against liquor. I have never preached 00:45:27.199 --> 00:45:32.880 a sermon against these things. I'll tell you 00:45:32.880 --> 00:45:39.500 why. And yet, beloved, watch something. Don't 00:45:39.500 --> 00:45:42.659 you dare... Use that which I have said as the 00:45:42.659 --> 00:45:44.820 license for doing any of these. I'm not talking 00:45:44.820 --> 00:45:50.780 about that. I believe that we need to preach 00:45:50.780 --> 00:45:57.300 a positive gospel. It's positive. It's positive. 00:45:59.119 --> 00:46:04.760 It's a positive gospel. It is not my business 00:46:04.760 --> 00:46:09.579 to preach a negative gospel. To preach against 00:46:09.579 --> 00:46:13.980 it. It is my business to lift up Jesus Christ. 00:46:14.719 --> 00:46:19.260 I lift up Jesus. I lift up Jesus. Pastor, if 00:46:19.260 --> 00:46:22.739 all you've got to preach about when you get up 00:46:22.739 --> 00:46:28.079 in the pulpit is about the miniskirts and the 00:46:28.079 --> 00:46:37.139 long hair and the way people look, I still contend 00:46:37.139 --> 00:46:41.719 that... When you are born again, you'll get a 00:46:41.719 --> 00:46:51.320 new plumage. I believe that. You'll never hear 00:46:51.320 --> 00:46:55.639 Catherine Pullman ever preach against these things. 00:46:55.739 --> 00:47:01.980 Never. As long as I'm faithful in lifting up 00:47:01.980 --> 00:47:05.920 Jesus, I lift up Jesus, I lift up Jesus in all 00:47:05.920 --> 00:47:11.780 of his beauty. And I, if I be lifted up, I will 00:47:11.780 --> 00:47:17.900 draw all men unto me. And when you get that wonderful 00:47:17.900 --> 00:47:22.099 experience and your life is transformed by the 00:47:22.099 --> 00:47:25.360 power of God, there's something about it. And 00:47:25.360 --> 00:47:28.980 you've listened to the radio and you've heard 00:47:28.980 --> 00:47:31.679 the testimony over and over and over again of 00:47:31.679 --> 00:47:36.170 many a man who has said, You know something wonderful? 00:47:36.309 --> 00:47:39.170 I went out of that service, that miracle service, 00:47:39.369 --> 00:47:44.250 I lit up my cigarette and it didn't taste good. 00:47:45.230 --> 00:47:49.369 It was just awful. And then instead I tried a 00:47:49.369 --> 00:47:56.650 different brand. You know, the filter kind. And 00:47:56.650 --> 00:48:02.000 that didn't work. And then I tried another. did 00:48:02.000 --> 00:48:04.380 you hear the man and i said to him well i didn't 00:48:04.380 --> 00:48:06.559 say anything about cigarettes no you didn't say 00:48:06.559 --> 00:48:08.719 anything about cigarettes you didn't say a thing 00:48:08.719 --> 00:48:15.320 about cigarettes i didn't say it but when that 00:48:15.320 --> 00:48:18.219 man was born again and when the spirit of the 00:48:18.219 --> 00:48:21.880 living god got hold of him These old feathers 00:48:21.880 --> 00:48:25.920 just naturally dropped off. He became a new creature 00:48:25.920 --> 00:48:28.840 in Christ Jesus and the things you once loved, 00:48:28.980 --> 00:48:31.400 you now hate. All right, I'm going to answer 00:48:31.400 --> 00:48:34.320 a question. I do not know who answered that question. 00:48:34.480 --> 00:48:42.119 I do not know who asked it. I do know that one 00:48:42.119 --> 00:48:53.789 day a pastor stood in the center aisle of Carnegie 00:48:53.789 --> 00:49:03.409 Auditorium. And his wife brought him. He'd been 00:49:03.409 --> 00:49:13.750 living in adultery. And they stood there. She 00:49:13.750 --> 00:49:19.380 was crying. She said, my husband. And the only 00:49:19.380 --> 00:49:20.619 reason he was there was because he'd been caught. 00:49:24.300 --> 00:49:31.300 I said, sir, to tell the truth, it would do me 00:49:31.300 --> 00:49:37.760 no good to pray for you because you are enjoying 00:49:37.760 --> 00:49:42.159 your sin and because you are enjoying it, you're 00:49:42.159 --> 00:49:44.900 going to continue, you're going to walk out of 00:49:44.900 --> 00:49:50.599 here and continue doing it just the same. It 00:49:50.599 --> 00:49:54.760 would be insulting God for me to stand here and 00:49:54.760 --> 00:49:57.360 make a mockery of this. I said, you're enjoying 00:49:57.360 --> 00:50:06.420 your sin, aren't you? He said, I sure am. I said, 00:50:06.440 --> 00:50:10.980 I can pray till I'm blue in the face. Your wife 00:50:10.980 --> 00:50:13.880 can cry until there's no longer tears left in 00:50:13.880 --> 00:50:16.960 her eyes. But you have to make the decision. 00:50:17.840 --> 00:50:22.239 You have got to do it. When you are willing to 00:50:22.239 --> 00:50:26.980 surrender that sin, God will give you deliverance. 00:50:28.659 --> 00:50:31.639 God will give you deliverance, but he's not going 00:50:31.639 --> 00:50:36.519 to knock you in the head and say, you know, if 00:50:36.519 --> 00:50:39.820 you're waiting for God to take it away from you 00:50:39.820 --> 00:50:43.000 and force you to give it up. But I'll promise 00:50:43.000 --> 00:50:47.070 any man, I don't care who you are. I'll promise 00:50:47.070 --> 00:50:53.730 any person that if with all of your heart, not 00:50:53.730 --> 00:51:02.789 mine, but with all of your heart, you look out 00:51:02.789 --> 00:51:12.869 and you really want deliverance. You really want 00:51:12.869 --> 00:51:18.980 it. I love it. challenge me on that because God's 00:51:18.980 --> 00:51:25.539 Word backs it up. If we confess our sins, He's 00:51:25.539 --> 00:51:29.480 able and just to forgive us our sins. He'll set 00:51:29.480 --> 00:51:33.139 you free. And whom the Son sets free is free 00:51:33.139 --> 00:51:36.980 indeed. And when you're willing to give it up, 00:51:37.099 --> 00:51:40.400 beloved, all you have to do is to furnish the 00:51:40.400 --> 00:51:43.739 willingness and He will give the deliverance. 00:51:45.420 --> 00:51:48.599 Amen and amen and amen.