Catherine Kuhlman often stated, I believe in
miracles. In this informative discussion at a
Melodyland conference, Miss Kuhlman shared the
deepest insights of her heart on the ministry
of healing. This is part one of that series.
Pastor Wilkerson has probably told you that so
many, many questions have come in regarding Divine
Healing, the Ministry of Healing, and of course,
this is a clinic. And many of you have written
out your questions. Pastor Wilkerson has many
of the questions now. And I want you to know
something, and that is that I cannot answer all
of your questions. Please know that. I make no
pretense of having all the answers. Do you understand
that? Before we begin, put up a hand. Now, in
this clinic, you've had those who have answered
questions regarding the Holy Spirit and every
phase of the doctrines. But remember, I just
understood this noon that you've had no open
forum regarding divine healing, right? This is
why we're here in this charismatic clinic, Christian
Center in Anaheim. And I want to start off by
just saying that a lady here declared that she
said, you had no opportunity to pray and lay
hands on me in Jesus' name in the service, but
he knows my heart and Jesus blessed me anyway.
Isn't that beautiful? Sure, because you don't
need me. You don't need me to lay hands on you.
That's the reason there are so many people who
are healed. In their own homes. You're healed
maybe doing a radio broadcast. Even now while
we're answering questions. While we're discussing
the word of God. Somebody listening over the
radio. Who found it impossible to come to the
clinic. In the first place, they knew they couldn't
get in because they were packed and jammed. Are
you sure you people left this place at 12 o 'clock?
Some have been here since 6 this morning, Miss
Gooman. Do you mean that, Ralph? I don't think
someone went home last night. I think they stayed
all night. And they didn't bring their sack lunch
like they did yesterday. I want to check on this.
Let's see. It is now a little after 2 o 'clock.
All right. How many have been here since 10 o
'clock this morning? Put up a hand. Well, all
of you. How many have been here since 9 o 'clock
for the band? Did you hear what I said? How many
have been here since 8 o 'clock this month? Everybody.
Creatures, let me see your hands. My goodness.
That's a miracle when you can get creatures here.
8 o 'clock. How many have been here since 7 .30?
Let me see your hands. It's a shame this isn't
on television if you would see all these hands.
Are you hearing? Are you sure your microphones
are working, Ralph? How many been here since
7 o 'clock this morning? Put up your hands. Look
at these hands since 7. How many were here at
6 .30 this morning? Are you sure you're hearing
me correctly? Look at those hands since 6 .30.
Better ask whether they went home or not last
night. Yeah. How many have been here since 6
o 'clock? There are still hands going up. What
time did you come? How many slept here all night?
Put it in. Greg, look there. Did you honestly
sleep here in this place last night? You had
a camper. All of you folk who have no place to
sleep tonight, sleep in their camper. It'll be
all right. Ralph, when people will bring their
campers and stay all night, when people will
gather as early as 6 o 'clock in the morning,
5 .30 in the morning, that's got to be God. They're
hungry, Ms. Kuhlman. They're hungry. Excuse me
before you interrupted me. Go on, Ralph. Did
you ask for the ministry of healing? And when
did this miraculous miracle of healing ministry
start in your life? I did not ask for the miracle
of healing. And there have been times you really
want the answer. And there have been times that
the responsibility of it has been so great that
I looked up and wished that I had not received
this miracle and this ministry of healing. I
don't think anybody except that somebody to whom
the Lord has given this terrific responsibility
knows what it's like. That's what I'm trying
to tell you. Now, I'll tell you how it began.
You see, when I first started out, years and
years and years ago, all I knew was just the
new birth experience. I was so stupid. I was
so stupid. I knew nothing except that I was born
again and I had a wonderful conversion. My conversion...
was when I was 14 years of age. It was instantaneous
in this little Methodist church in Concordia,
Missouri. Whether anyone was saved prior to that
Sunday morning or whether there's been anyone
saved since, I don't know. I have the slightest
idea. It's the little tiny Methodist church.
It doesn't hold any more than maybe 100 people.
Grandpa was responsible in building it, and Grandpa
was a Methodist. Of course, as you've heard me
tell you, Grandpa thought that only Methodists
would get to heaven. I'm not quite sure if Grandpa
made it. I know if he did, if he found a Baptist
there, I don't know whether he wanted to stay
in heaven. And it was just like that. And all
I knew was the new birth experience. And you
know something? That Sunday morning, holding
the Methodist hymnal in my hand, a 14 -year -old
girl, and they were singing the last song. I
cannot tell you who the preacher was. I had no
idea. I knew nothing about the new birth experience.
And they were singing the last hymn, and this
was my first experience with the Holy Spirit,
but I didn't know it. I began... See, I didn't
recognize it then until years later. I began
to shake with the power of God. With the hymnal
in my hand, I began to shake. I'd never seen
the manifestation of God's power. I could not
hold that Methodist hymnal in my hand. I couldn't
hold it. I shook from head to foot. I laid the
Methodist hymnal down in that little Methodist
church, and I did the only thing that I knew
what to do. I'd seen them take in members. I
laid it down because I shook so I couldn't hold
it, and I walked to the front pew and sat down.
And in that moment, that experience, that wonderful
experience, and I began to cry. I began to sob.
The tears ran, and my nose ran, and they've both
been running ever since. And then that moment,
one of the old Methodist sisters came around,
and she didn't know what was going on. And she
came and sat arm beside me. She put her arm around
me, and she said, Oh, Catherine, you've been
such a good girl. And we both knew she was lying.
We both knew. Because if anything happened in
Concordia, I made it happen. It was just like
that, you know. And when I began preaching, all
I could preach was the new birth experience.
Because no one can give to anyone else any more
than they have experienced themselves. You know
that. Don't try it. You cannot give to anyone
else any more than you have experienced yourself.
You can't do it. Then came the day. Came the
time when I knew. divine healing was in the Bible.
I knew it. I knew it. This was an experience.
It is very real to me. I went to a tent meeting.
You really want me to take the lid off of my
heart? And I sat back and I watched. I may not
have much of an education, but I'm not stupid.
And there's some things that I knew. I knew I
could see why. I could not believe that that
was my wonderful Jesus. And I walked out, and
I cried. I cried. That whole night, I cried the
next day. I just cried. And all I could say was
they've taken away my Lord and I know not where
they've laid him. I don't know why I kept saying
it and saying it. I knew it was in the Bible.
And yet I could not feel the witness of my Lord.
It was about two weeks later when I was preaching
one Monday night and somebody stood up and said,
Miss Cooman, may I say something? And I said,
yes. And the woman said, and this is the very
first, and the woman said, you know, while you
were preaching, Last night, I was healed. I stopped
and I said, would you repeat that? She said,
while you were preaching last night, I was healed.
I said, where were you? And she told me exactly
where she was sitting. And from where I am standing
now, she was sitting over here in this part of
the auditorium. It was an old Billy Sunday tabernacle.
And she was sitting in there. And I was so amazed
and I said, now remember, I was not praying for
the sick. I was not praying for the sick. Only
this terrific hunger within me. I was seeking
myself. She said, I was so sure that I was healed.
that I went to my doctor today and it was a tumor.
I was so sure I was healed that I went to my
doctor today and she said he examined me and
there's no tumor there whatsoever. That was the
first healing after God anointed me with the
Holy Spirit. for the healing of sick bodies.
Does that answer the question? Here's a good
one. They want to know why some people fall under
the power, why some don't, and what's the scripture
validity for this? That's a good one. You've
been asked that before? A thousand times. Yes,
I imagine. You know, uh... When it comes to the
power of God, why do people, and this is always
so amusing. Somebody coming in for the very first
time, they said, my word, everybody in the place
fainted. And somebody says she hypnotizes them.
Why is it that folk go under the power, even
doing a radio broadcast or doing a telecast?
I'm not near them. They're all alone. How can
it be that when there's 7 ,000 people packed
in a great auditorium as the shrine, and folk
way up there in that top row in the balcony,
and, you know, it's pretty high up there when
people had to bring their binoculars, you know,
and look down, and they can scarcely see me up
there, and yet... You'll find them going under
the power up there. You'll find them being filled
with the Holy Spirit up there. Remember, this
is a supernatural power. If I had the answer,
I would tell you. I can only tell you it's supernatural.
But you remember it's scriptural. And remember
something. If I say one thing. and the Bible
says another, the Bible is right. Always remember
that. If your preacher preaches one thing and
the Bible says another, the Bible is right. If
your preacher tells you one thing, if your priest
tells you one thing, if the rabbi tells you one
thing and the Bible says another, the Bible is
right. Always know that. Always know that. never
go beyond the word of God. Don't add to God's
word. It's very easy to add to the word of God.
We talk about these people who are taking away
from the word of God. Cold formalism. We talk
about those who deny the deity and divinity of
Jesus Christ. They take away. They take the penknife.
and and take out but remember something it can
be just a disastrous to add to the word of god
and go beyond that which is scripture so be careful
don't add to whatever you do it's easy oh isn't
this glorious isn't this wonderful let's add
a little more Here is the scripture. This is
not something new. When you come to these services
and you see people falling under the power, this
isn't something new. You know who could stand
here today and tell us all about it? Oh, I wish
I could bring Paul and say, Paul. Somebody's
asked the question, they want to know, what about
this falling under the power? Oh, he said, I'll
never forget the first time I went under the
power. I'll never forget the first time I went
under the power. How many can say the same thing?
Put up a hand. Yeah, some of you went under the
power for the first time today, too. Oh, he said
it was glorious. Well, Paul, when did it happen?
Well... I'll tell you what happened. It happened
on the road to Damascus. I'll tell you exactly.
Well, did somebody hypnotize you? No. Nobody
touched me. How do you explain it? He said, I
don't know. But he said, I'll give you the account
of it. Oh, he said, let me read it. Let me read
it. That ninth chapter of Acts and Saul. Yet
breathing out threatenings and slaughter against
the disciples of the Lord, went in the high priest
and desired of him letters to Damascus, to the
synagogues, that if he found any of this way,
whether they were men or women, he might bring
them bound unto Jerusalem. Watch. And as he journeyed,
he came near Damascus, and suddenly... There
shined round about him a light from heaven. And
you know what happened? And he fell to the earth.
He went on the power. Just like that, he went
on the power. This going on the power isn't something
new. Oh, you talk about Ms. Cooman's ministry
and they all go on the power. Why, believe me,
I don't have a corner. On the slaying power of
God? I don't have that corner on the slaying
power of the Holy Spirit. It happened way back
there. And Paul went under the power. And I tell
you, there wasn't anybody there to pick him up
either. Mr. Bennett wasn't there. Red Dolan wasn't
there. There wasn't anybody there to catch him,
you know. And that was a lawful. He was sitting
on top of a horse probably. And the amazing thing
is when the power of God, nobody ever gets hurt.
And watch, he fell to the earth and heard a voice
saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest
thou me? And he said, who art thou, Lord? And
the amazing thing, he knew it was the Lord. That
was the amazing thing. He called him by name.
Who art he knew? It was supernatural. He knew
it was the power of the Lord. He knew who it
was. I'll tell you. Yeah. And he said, watch.
The Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest.
It is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
And he trembly. Oh, that's wonderful. He's still
on the power. And he trembling. Shake him, good
Lord. Shake him good. You got him now. Shake
him. And he trembling and astonished. He was
astonished. Haven't you seen some of these people
get up from under the power? So astonished, what
happened to me? And astonished said. Lord, what
wilt thou have me to do? He got the whole thing
in a hurry, you know it? He sure did. And the
Lord said, Watch. Arise. Get up. He didn't have
Red to pick him up. He didn't have Mr. Bennett
to pick him up. He didn't. Get up. He's still
out on the power. Get up. Come on. Arise. And
go in the city. and it shall be told thee what
thou must do. And remember, when the soldiers
came to take Jesus, what happened? They all fell
under the power. Understand something. I still
believe, now this is my part of the answer. I'll
give you the scripture. How many see that it's
scriptural, going under power? Put it behind.
It's scriptural. It's there. Uh -huh. If you
don't believe it, you call Paul down. He'll verify
it. And if you still don't believe it, as soon
as you get home to glory, look him up and ask
him about it. You'll be convinced. But this is
the way I feel about the power of God. These
old bodies of ours, do you know that this is
still corruption? These bodies. Our redemption
will not be perfected until we stand in his glorious
presence. We're redeemed now. Do you understand
that? We're redeemed now, beloved. Have we passed
from death and life? Now are we the sons of God.
Now we're his heirs and joint heirs with Christ
Jesus. But our redemption is not perfected until
we stand in his glorious presence and this which
is mortal will have put on immortality. These
bodies are still corruption. They go back to
the earth from whence they came. And that which
is still corruption is not geared for so much
power. It's not geared for glory. That's the
reason with all this glory I talk to you about
being filled with the Holy Spirit. And yet, there
is so much of the power of God that my own body,
this which is flesh, can only stand just so much
of the power. And then, beloved, it can't take
anymore. And down it goes. How many understand
that? Put up a hand. You cannot. When you see
a big 200 -pound man, when you see a man 225
pounds hit the floor with a crash, with a bang,
and you know that that man is doing everything.
Oh, but the nicest thing is to see some little
prissy woman. You know, I still say that God
has a sense of humor. I believe that. I've watched
it. I still, you'll never make me believe that
God doesn't have a sense of humor. And I've seen
them. There. Every. Well, I'll tell you the funniest
thing I ever saw was a woman's wig just fall
right off of her head. That's one thing they
didn't have in the early church that we've got.
And sometimes the most unlikely people. The most...
And I just kind of think the angels are smiling,
you know. And the most wonderful thing is, I'll
tell you a secret. After you have felt the power
of God, After you've gone under power, you're
never quite the same again. Never. Ralph, there's
something about it. I can tell you. You are never
quite the same again. You see, I mean, this is
the way I feel about it. You become so personal
to him. It isn't that you have to go down in
the power to feel personal to him. But it's when
the power of God strikes you. Along with it,
there's love. It's just like he folds you close
to his heart. And you're never quite the same
again. I cannot give you the full answer. There
may be much more than I'm telling you. But I'm
only telling you what I know. How many understand?
Put up a hand. Uh -huh. That's why they go under
power. You don't need me to touch you. You don't
need me to lay hands on you. But it's as real
as the air that you breathe. Thank you, Miss
Cooman. I'm going to tell them the first time
I visited you in Pittsburgh, I was in the audience
as a stranger. And a lady fell over on me three
times. You didn't touch her. I finally kept propping
her up, and I was a little bit embarrassed. I
turned to my wife. I said, honey, she can't help
it. I want to ask something just now. On this
platform, this is filled with ministers. How
many for the very first time went under the power
of God today? Let me see your hand. Stand up.
Stand up. Stand up. Stand up for the very first
time. Will you do something? Will you do something
in just one sentence? Pass this microphone over
here and tell what the sensation was like with
your mind in just one sentence. Come on. Come
on. These ministers, all right? It's awfully
hard to find the words. It's just that just flood
your heart with love. I think that's the best
expression. I just felt enveloped by the love
of Jesus. That's right. Enveloped by the love
of Jesus. That's it. Come on. I felt that God
was more personal when he'd ever had been before.
I believe that. That's right. Come on. I just
felt released in him. Released in him. Now, hear
this. This is a wonderful thing. A full release.
I know. I know it's the power of the Holy Spirit
that goes through. Oh, I know. Let him go with
it, Pharaoh. This is something you can't explain,
but it's marvelous. There was a melting of the
coldness that kept me from Jesus. I know. I know.
and that fresh baptism of the love of God. I'm
a Pentecostal minister, but this is the first
time I've fallen under the power, and I just
felt so totally involved that I couldn't stand
up. I didn't lose consciousness, but I felt so
involved in everything that was happening that
I couldn't stand up. And Father, what he is expressing,
I pray that every minister behind that sacred
desk shall know. I just felt closer to Jesus
than I'd ever felt before in my life. That's
right. Closer to him, it makes him more personal.
And it's something you can't explain. Yes. Come
on, God bless you. Something happened, and I
know it was for real. Something happened, and
I know it was for real. Give him a great big
God bless you. Well, you had prayed for me once
before, and I felt this tremendous charge on
me today. After she prayed, I was kneeling there,
and these fellows were right there, and when
they put their hands on me too, The tremendous
presence of the Lord really came on me, and I
just praise him for it. Thank you, Jesus. And
you can't describe it? No, no. It's just, well,
it's kind of like an electrical charge. You're
aware. I'll say it's a charge, all right. I'll
tell you. Dear Jesus, I thank you for the power
of the Holy Spirit. Thanks. Thanks. Thanks. Come
on. I praise God today. It was an opportunity
for me to empty myself. It is not I, but it is
Christ in me. Hallelujah. Hey. All I know is
that... Through this clinic and through the meeting
today with Jesus Christ and through this encounter
Mrs. Kuhlman that the Lord just I'm just beginning
to realize that I can't limit the Lord he can
do anything he wants to do with me and I'm ready
and Yeah, yeah, and I just praise him for his
touch in my life today. We're ready We're ready
Take this one, take this one, take this one,
take this one. Ooh, I know who it is right now,
the power of God going through his body. The
power of... Shh. Shh. We're going through the
clinic. I thought we were going into another
miracle service at the shrine, Ms. Kuhlman. Dear
Lord, taste it like they use it. God bless thee
shall be a falling. This shall be the beginning
of one of the greatest miracles. Use it for your
glory. Glory? Oui. This is glory, you know it?
All right, come on with questions. Why is it
that a sinner gets his healing and a saint sometimes
doesn't? Well, sometimes I think we think some
folks are saints who aren't. You know something?
I've learned this a long time ago. There are
an awful lot of people who put on an awful good
front. when they go out of the house. But when
the doors are closed and the blinds are drawn,
they're devils. Yes, ma 'am. It's just like that.
You ask the question why so many good people's
children turn out bad. You know, Ralph, you have
to really, if you're a man, have to live with
a woman to know her. Amen. And you know, Mrs.
Wilkerson, you really have to live with a man
to know him, right? Uh -huh. And it's like that.
And it's just like that. All right, there's number
one. You see, you would be amazed how much spiritual
pride there is in the heart of many a professing
Christian. I shall never forget. I'll never.
In a little town in Idaho, and this is one of
my very first experiences. When I first began
preaching the gospel, it was in a Methodist church
in Idaho. And they asked me to preach the morning
sermon. And there was an old codger in that town
who was really a reprobate. Now, I'm telling
you, because they told me when I first came to
town. And I wasn't any more than 16 years of
age. And they had gotten him to come to that
morning service. I gave an altar call. When I
gave that altar call, here came the old cotcher.
He came down to the altar. Because my personal
work in those days, if I thought there was a
sinner in the place, I'd lock the doors and let
him out until he got converted. And so... When
we got him down the altar and God really saved
him, it was glorious. When I look back on it
now, I'm wondering whether he was saved and filled
with the Spirit at the same time because he really
got a double dose of something. I didn't even
know enough about the baptism of the Holy Spirit
to know. And his hands were up and he was crying
and he was rejoicing. Oh, it was a glorious experience
that he got. And his wife. came to the front
of the church and she looked up and she said,
it isn't fair. It isn't fair. It isn't fair.
I've been the president of Ladies Aid for 26
years and you've never done this for me. And
here comes my old husband and look what you do
for him. And you left me out. You see. We don't
know the heart. It's still a matter of what's
on the inside here. It's still inside here. Not
here. That's the reason I say to you, you know,
it makes no difference whether you're Catholic,
whether you're Protestant, whether you're Jew,
whether you're Gentile, whoever you are. It isn't
your church membership. It isn't what you profess.
It's still a matter of what you have on the inside
of you, right in here. Here comes somebody into
a service who probably hasn't been to church
for 25 years. Somebody who doesn't have a lot
of preconceived ideas up here. I'd give anything,
so help me. I'd give anything in the world if
I had the ability to take the ministers. in our
nation today, take them, turn them upside down,
and just shake them real good. And shake them
so hard until I had all of the algae shaken out
of their heads. Just shake out all. I'll tell
you something about your preachers up here. I
can't work on them, but I can sure work on you
because you're here. And if I could just teach
you. You see, you've been through seminary, and
don't you think for one minute that I'm decrying
education. Don't you. I'm only sorry. God bless
you. I'm only sorry that I don't have a better
education. For years, I suffered with that complex.
For years, I've suffered with it. But sometimes
I think it was a good idea he called an ignorant
person. Because, you see, I don't have to hurdle
all these things the two men have to hurdle.
You who've been to seminaries. You see, you've
been educated low these years. And you've got
so much up here in your mind. So much up here.
That now, and you've been so brainwashed with
a lot of this stuff. that you've got to get it
all out of your mind so that you can come again
as a little child and come back. If I could only
take it. You see, that was the reason. Sit down,
Ralph. You see, that is the reason, beloved.
Uh, why? Uh, the Lord said he had to put new
wine. in new bottles because he couldn't take
these old skin bags and fill them with the new
wine. Do you understand that? Hear the scribes
and the Pharisees. They knew the law. They knew
the letter. They knew it well. Oh, they knew
it well. They too were educated. We're not the
only folks educated beyond our intelligence.
They were educated. You'll talk about, they were
educated. They knew the law. They knew every
letter of the law. There isn't a person living
today who knew the law better than they knew
the law. And yet when it came to this wonderful,
I pray in the Holy Spirit, when Jesus came and
left the church's wonderful gift of the Holy
Spirit. You see, they were so steeped in the
law, mentally, they were so formed that this
hardening process had so taken place that they
were no longer applicable. This. And if you put
this new line, you can't do it. into a bag that
is hardened almost to the consistency of stone,
it would burst the faith. That is the reason
he knew that they were so formed in their ideas
and their thinking. That's why today, back there,
who did he choose? Did he choose the priests?
No. He chose the most unlikely. He took the fishermen.
They set the dirty hands. He's not looking on
that. He was looking for pliable, yielded material.
Uh -huh. Pliable, yielded material. Couldn't
use the old skin bags. But he wanted yieldedness
into which he could pour the new wine. And I'm
frank to tell you, here's a secret. My mind is
closed to everything else but what's in this
word. I'm not a liberal thinker. I may look modern.
You'd be surprised. Oh, don't tell me you're
Catherine Cooper. A preacher. But watch. My mind
is closed to everything except this word. You
couldn't pay me. If somebody came and offered
me $50, $50 ,000 cash to study false religions.
Offer me $50 ,000 cash to take a course in psychology.
I'd say you keep your money. I'm not going to
endanger that which I have. You couldn't do it,
you couldn't do it, you couldn't do it. I don't
read everything that comes my way. I don't read
everything that comes in my mailbox. You load
me with books, I might just as well tell you
I don't read them. I've got enough right here
to do me. I've got enough right here to do me.
Let me give you an example. Watch. When you take
your marriage vows and you stand there and take
your marriage vow and you promise to be a faithful,
a loving husband to that wife of yours, that
one... who's going to be your wife, brother,
you close your mind to all other women. You're
on dangerous ground as quickly as you open your
mind. Little lady, watch something. When you
take your marriage vows, marriage is a sacred
thing, and when you take your marriage vows and
promise to be a faithful wife to that husband,
that's the reason. It's like somebody, now, well,
I'll tell you, she's a nice girl. I'll marry
her now, but I'll still keep looking around and
playing the field. It'll never work. It'll never
work. And when it comes, we are members of the
Bride of Christ. He is our coming bridegroom.
I stopped looking. I'm not going to get all tangled
up with something that's not the Spirit. I don't
have to take all kinds of things in my mind.
I'm not going to look upon things that might
rob me of a deeper experience with the Lord.
And you'll find out, beloved, when your mind
is so completely saturated with the things of
God, it's a... You think it, you live it, you
eat it. It's a life. This thing of being a Christian
isn't something that you take off and hang it
in the closet until you want it again and then
put it on. It isn't like that at all. It's a
day -by -day proposition. Don't you misconstrue
anything that I've said today. If you do, you
might go off and be a religious fanatic. I'm
not talking about that. I'm not talking about
that. But if there's something that is contrary
to the holy word of God, burn it. Don't go out
exploring. is contrary to his word. We forget
this is the very word of God. He speaks to us.
Do you want God to speak to you? He's speaking
today through his word. This is what you need.
If there's something that comes into your hands,
if there's something that you know, is contrary
to his word. Burn it! The mind is a delicate
machinery. Be careful how you treat it. Be careful
how you use it. Be careful what you do with it.
A thought makes a deed. A deed makes the life,
and the life brings the destiny. But it all goes
back to the mind. How many understand? Put up
a hand. Well. It's not too personal, Ms. Kuhlman.
Could you possibly show us how you met your death?
Earlier in the service, you talked about how
you died. Before you answer it, may I just tell
the radio audience that we're listening to Charismatic
Clinic. And this is radio station KHOF 99 .5.
All right, Miss Koo, we'll come back in now because
I know a lot of our issues. I'll lead you around
here today. Oh, my goodness. Imagine, Ralph,
somebody just tuned in, you know, and they think,
what in the world are we listening to, you know?
Right. But isn't it great? If they're enjoying
it at home or in their car, go around the freeway.
If they're having a wreck on the freeway, you
know what it was? They got so involved with listening
to what's going around here. All right. I'll
tell you how it first happened when I talked
about how I can tell you where it happened. And
it's something very personal. Extremely personal.
It came through a great disappointment. A great
disappointment. And I felt like my whole world
had come to an end. You know, it's not what you
do with something that happens. It's not what
happens to you. It's what you do with that thing
after it happens. And it goes back again to the
will of the Lord. At that time, I felt that that
which had happened to me, was the greatest tragedy
of my life. I thought I could never rise again.
Never. Never. No one will ever know. No one will
ever know. If you've never died, you know what
I'm talking about. I can go to the place. It
was a dead end street. It was four o 'clock on
a Saturday afternoon. I know the time. A dead
end street. I felt I had come to a dead end in
my life. You know, sometimes it's a thousand.
Times easier to die physically than to keep on
living. A thousand times easier. To in that moment,
have your old heart take its last speech. You
know - born again, you know you belong to him.
It would be the easiest thing in the world if
he would just lay a hand on the old heart and
not let it beat again. It would be so wonderful
in that moment if he would just have the angel
stick. He would just pick you up because you
know you belong to him you know you're his child
and you know that the old heart would take his
last beat and you know that the angels came to
taste that you'd be in his presence there's no
uncertainty about that and it'd be so easy it'd
be so wonderful There'd be no more criticism.
There'd be no more misunderstanding. You see,
the Lord forgives, but people don't. We stay
about little children. Children can be so unkind
and so thoughtful on the playground, you know.
But I'll tell you, it's a... else it would be
much better if you just take a gun pull the trigger
and kill that one rather than to take the sword
of the spirit and this is what christians will
do they use it not for healing they use it not
in mercy they use it not with compassion but
they take it and they use it as a sword and they'll
drive it in and they'll drive it in and they'll
drive it in and they'll pierce your heart and
they'll pierce it clear through it's much easier
to Guy and Delia. The end of that Aryan street
is when I died four o 'clock on a Saturday afternoon.
Today, I feel it was a part of God's perfect
will for my life.