In this episode, I'll be sharing an interview
I recently conducted with Bailey Tudnam, an alumnus
at the school where I teach, who is exploring
ways in which he augments his workflow while
designing products which will be deployed off
-world. We chat about the reasons why he is being
cautious in his exploration of AI. and why he
thinks schools and universities must now adapt
and incorporate AI literacy into their course
design and delivery. It was great to catch up
with Bailey, and I hope you find some useful
takeaways from our conversation. The AI Academia
podcast is a weekly show helping educators like
you leverage AI in your everyday practice. I'm
your host, Andy Fisher, and thanks for joining
me. Let's dive straight into the interview. Bailey,
welcome to the AIcademia podcast. Thank you.
Thanks for having me. So it's the first guest
interview of the podcast and it's something I've
wanted to do for a while. But when we had a chance
encounter on LinkedIn a couple of weeks ago and
you told me what you're up to, I thought this
is too good a conversation not to have live with
everybody. So for the listeners, you attended
the school where I teach. and have been on a
bit of a wild journey since then. So why don't
you tell us what happened once you left Norwich
School, the close and the cathedral? Yeah, a
lot has happened since then. So that was what
must have been 2018, I think, when I left Norwich
School. So after that year, I took a year out.
So I had an injury for that year out. So I took
a year out before going to university. So I spent
that year working on a televised talent show
series. which was very random. I didn't know
that. Yeah, that was very strange. It was good
fun. So I was the producer and the head judge,
if you can believe it, on this Televotes talent
show series in 2019. And then I came up to Glasgow.
So I've been in Glasgow ever since. I started
at University of Glasgow and Glasgow School of
Art in 2019. And I studied a degree called product
design engineering. so the way i kind of describe
that to people is it's basically mechanical engineering
with product design so we kind of do all the
mechanical engineering at university of glasgow
product design at glasgow school of art and it's
kind of a fusion of those two and it's a fantastic
degree and it really teaches you about not just
how to design products but how they work and
i'm very much of the opinion that you can't truly
design a product unless you understand how it
works i was about to ask that because often designers
might not think i i don't know about either world
but i would imagine if you design without understanding
the engineering behind it you might create something
that is a real problem a hundred percent and
and you know it it's also almost cutting out
the middleman a little bit you know and i'll
get into the job that i'm on now um but you know
in the past the sort of job that i'm in now they
probably would have had a mechanical engineer
and they would have had a product designer and
they would have you know collaborated together
and and the degree that i've done has allowed
me to kind of do those two things at once and
i think it's it's a lot more efficient in terms
of the process when it comes to design and engineering
um so yeah it's a fantastic degree um and yes
i was there for five years um and now i'm working
for a startup in Edinburgh, which is what I dropped
you a message about on LinkedIn a few days ago.
So that startup is designing autonomous kitchen
modules, which is eventually, hopefully going
to be used in lunar and Mars habitats, which
is mad and not something that I expected. I did
mention it to several of my colleagues at the
school who remember you fondly, but primarily
as a musician and as an entertainer. So when
I said, oh, yeah, now he's building kitchens
for the moon, they thought I was joking. I mean,
this is a lovely conversation starter. You know,
I go to different events and stuff every now
and then, and people are always like, what do
you do for work? kitchens for the moon and they
think i'm joking and i'm not um and it's like
i say it's not what i expected to be doing but
it's a very interesting company um and it's fantastic
you know it's a very small startup there's i
think six of us in total um which is great for
me coming out of uni because it's forcing me
to learn so many different things and we're working
with obviously major clients as you can imagine
um so now i'm doing everything from the design
side of things engineering business side funding
applications um so yeah it's absolutely fantastic
and it's a really interesting company and it's
you know it's it's something that i never thought
i'd be doing it's something until i joined this
company that i thought was miles off You know,
and I start and I'm meeting all these people
and we're meeting these investors and these companies.
And you realize that, you know, lunar habitats
is expected to be around 10 years away. You know,
and this is something that you think would be
a lot further. Yeah, that was going to be one
of my next questions was, what's the timeline?
So 10 years to have a permanent or semi -permanent
structure? So 10 years is expected to be permanent.
And I've just been down, literally two days ago,
I was down at the massive Spacecom Expo in London.
And it's insane the amount of companies that
are forming in this sector. You know, it's the
fastest growing sector in the world now, the
space industry, especially in Scotland is huge.
And you're kind of going around and seeing all
these startups and all the different things that
you would never expect and things that you thought
would be miles off. And then you've got, we had
a keynote from Tim Peake there, who was... talking
about you know the next sort of 10 to 20 to 30
years and what we're expecting to see and and
you know it's almost like space race 2 .0 you
know it's this race to kind of habit the moon
and and to um almost use that as a stepping stone
to mars then so that's what i was going to ask
is this a precursor to populating mars if it
works on the moon then it should work i think
that's the plan yeah i think companies or institutions
just to say like like nasa for example are reluctant
to call it that they're reluctant to treat it
as a stepping stone because it's an it's an amazing
thing in itself yeah i think to call it a stepping
stone they are reluctant to say that but ultimately
that is that is what it is the end goal is mars
and you know if we can get to the moon the risk
and the cost and the ease of then making that
transition to mars greatly reduces um and so
that that's the aim there so and obviously this
the podcast is primarily focused upon ai tools
so yes did you have to suddenly suddenly start
upskilling in the use of ai as you came into
working with the startup or was it in some ways
integrated into your degree course Yeah, so it
was never integrated into the degree. And I think
it was one of those things that really kind of
became a lot bigger right towards the end. And
one of the other things I'm doing, which I'll
get on to probably later on, is I'm also helping
tutor second year students in the degree that
I've just graduated from now. And it's something
that I'm seeing a lot more now from the tutor
side of things than I was from the student side
of things. It's something that is becoming a
part of. of every day. So I kind of learned a
lot more of it when I started at this company.
And my boss is very much under the impression
of, you know, he's very pro -AI in what we do
and he's very pro -efficiency. And he's like,
if you can use AI to make your process more efficient,
then use it. He's like, it's silly not to use
it, but to use it as a tool. I would say in terms
of what I do at work, I don't use it as much
as other people in the company do. And I guess
it's because what I'm doing tends to be a lot
more about my sort of imagination and my innovation
when it comes to product design. There's a couple
of reasons why I don't use it, but that's one
of the reasons. Whereas we have people like software
developers, for example, who are using AI every
single day. And they're using it to not necessarily
write code, but to debug, to find issues and
those sorts of things. I think the other... concern
that i have with using it in certain aspects
is the confidentiality of the work that we're
doing and you know the contracts that we have
and those sorts of things if i am using something
like chat gpt to help me generate ideas and solutions
to a problem that i've got i don't know where
that information is then going at the moment
you know it is a very sort of wishy -washy world
of where that's going and who that's ending up
with um So, yeah, I'm almost reluctant to use
it in those kind of aspects of things. What I
would say I do utilize it for at work is in research.
And, you know, I'm very much under the impression
in general of that AI should be there to aid,
not to replace. And so even when I'm using it
for research, that doesn't just replace my research.
It's there to aid in what I do. And I am very...
pro that i think it's no different using gpt
to find information than it is to using google
it just cuts out all of the rubbish that i'm
not looking for you know when you search something
on google you get all these tags of you know
everything has tags of background stuff and it's
nothing half of it's irrelevant whereas chat
gpt will find me exactly what i'm looking for
but i won't then just take that for gospel you
know and is chat gpt the primary platform you're
using or are you also using claude or perplexity
or other so Me personally, I'm mainly using ChatGPT
and the company has the advanced versions of
ChatGPT and whatever. So that is what we would
primarily use. Sometimes I'll use Copilot if
I'm generating imagery. Obviously, it's still
based on the same AI, but for some reason, Copilot
tends to give me better imagery. It gives you
more options. But primarily I'm using ChatGPT
if I'm doing research. Yeah, and so you're using
the, I think they refer to it as the deep search
or deep research. There are so many names that
are similar that I kind of lost track at this
stage. So you're basically using it for people
who aren't familiar with that tool. It allows
you to agentically reach out, look at multiple
online sources, and then curate them. and bring
the information back, and you can mine down into
the individual sources if you need to. Exactly,
100%. Yeah, but it's very interesting what you
were saying about the concern about proprietary
information and the way in which that information
is then used, particularly in research and cutting
edge, because if, for example, someone had access
to your search queries, they could, in theory,
take that information, run with it. for the sake
of argument's sake, use the deep seek model as
a Chinese model, it could then end up in the
hands of the CCP and they could use that information
and then jump ahead of the work that you're doing.
So that is an issue. And I can imagine that that's
quite a roadblock for you, therefore, in terms
of how far you can use AI. Has the company looked
at the possibility of locally hosting a large
language model so that the data never leaves?
your offices i don't think so not that i know
of but um obviously in terms of what we're doing
like i say confidential contracts and things
that is definitely an important step forward
if if we're wanting to utilize ai for more things
um but i don't think it's something that has
been considered to this point yeah i think again
it's still really early days um and i think that
it's only at this point that the price point
is coming down Because you would need an array
of servers to be able to run one of the larger,
large language models. So, again, for the benefit
of the listeners, if you went with something
like one of the Lama high -functioning systems,
you're talking about 4 billion parameters, or
400 billion parameters, rather. So even with
the best -spec computer, you're not going to
run that. But what they are now starting to release
is... home -based supercomputers so nvidia's
coming out with something in a couple of months
that will be the equivalent of a thousand laptops
in terms of its processing and it's tiny it's
like bread box sized yeah and you can you you
would be able to run any large language model
as far as i'm aware on the market now locally
and um there's there's no limitation on tokens
as long as you've got the electricity to run
it will work So that's quite exciting. I imagine
that's the direction that companies with sensitive
information will go. And schools as well, I think,
because obviously the data we hold on students
is confidential and important to keep safe. Yeah.
So having said that, do you want to segue to
talk a little bit about your work as a mentor
to students running on your course and what you're
running into, good and for bad, in terms of the
way they're using AI? So I think, like I say,
for me, when I was kind of, I'm kind of in a
unique position where I've just finished education
and now sort of working on it from the other
side. So when I was finishing, it wasn't really
something that... any of us were using um and
you know this was only last year you know it
just shows how rapidly this this area is changing
it wasn't really something we were using um it
kind of became really apparent towards the end
of my degree when we were writing things like
our final technical reports which is the equivalent
of like a dissertation for our course and that
sort of thing so i was kind of i did use it during
that and i was again it was utilizing it for
research so for like building my bibliography
for my references for my report it was never
for writing the report itself um you know in
my opinion especially for it was a technical
report but it was a creative discipline it was
a creative report and i think you you lose something
when you're using artificial intelligence to
write a creative document for you you know this
it's very unique the way that individuals in
the creative world see different things and see
different problems and tackle things and i think
that really comes across in the way that you
write stuff um and this is kind of the point
that i'm going to get on to and i have discussions
now and we actually had a discussion earlier
in the week i mentioned that i was coming on
this podcast with you so having a discussion
with some of the other tutors earlier in the
week about ai and education the problem is at
the moment there is no line it you know it's
so wishy -washy there's there's no boundary as
to what is acceptable what isn't and because
it's constantly changing so quickly it's hard
to place that line and i think that's the issue
but i think what concerns me is because it's
so up in the air and no one knows what's going
on the universities and the schools from what
i can gather are scared of it and i think that's
not the right approach I think, you know, to
just be scared of it and to be being like, you
know, I think I could easily see it getting to
the point where it's like, you cannot use this
because we don't know what's going on with it.
You cannot use it. And I think that's a concerning
approach because whether you like it or not,
it's there. It's coming. And it needs to be integrated
into the way that we teach and into what we teach.
Yeah, absolutely. I'm saying the same thing in
schools as well. The people who are fearful are
insisting, for example, in English, you can imagine
that coursework in GCSE is 40 % of the course.
And it's hard to detect. AI detectors aren't
really fit for purpose. They're more likely to
pick up that someone's an EAL pupil or an SED
pupil. And so what's the solution? There are
solutions. In fact, a couple of episodes ago,
I talked about ways in which you can adapt writing
tasks in order to, to a degree, protect students
from the temptation to use AI. But I think you're
spot on in also saying that we want to engender
a culture of academic integrity where people
want to express themselves rather than outsource
it to a machine because it's their thoughts,
their ideas. I mean, I'm still navigating this
myself, but if there's two kind of golden rules
that I work from at the moment, it's one, what
you've said, augment rather than replace your
own thinking. Yes. And then the second one is
don't. Don't ask AI to do things because they're
hard. Ask AI to do something if it's mundane
or routine or dull. Outsource that stuff. But
the hard work, the critical thinking and the
problem solving and the ideation, that's where
we want to be making sure that the human is not
just in the loop but driving the process. 100%.
Yeah, completely agree. Yeah. And so do you foresee
that... the course that you attended is going
to look very different a couple of years from
now because of the way in which ai is now finding
its way into the process i think fundamentally
it has to and that there has to be a big shift
and i think especially because it's a creative
degree you know there's so many ways that ai
can affect this degree not you know it has elements
of um you know reports and creative writing it
has elements of image imagery and illustration
it has you know your engineering your mechanical
side of things you know one of the things that
i've seen students doing in this course that
i'm teaching at the moment so we're doing a project
actually which is linked to the company that
i'm working for so it's allowing them to do a
project working with industry so the second year
students are currently designing autonomous kitchen
modules for mars which is really fun but one
of the things that i've noticed them doing is
they can actually take their circuit boards and
their electronics take a picture of it put it
into chat gpt and it will tell them where the
wiring is wrong okay um you know and and that
is that's one of the things where there's now
a discussion of okay Is that stopping them from
learning, you know, how to actually do it themselves
and how to find the issues themselves? Or is
it just teaching them how to do it and showing
them, you know, it's those sorts of things need
to be integrated into the course because just
to be able to say, no, you can't do that. Well,
actually, no, there's some good things that come
from that. You know, it might be stopping them
from doing certain things, but there's good things
that come from that. So the course has to change
fundamentally to. allow for ai in certain levels
but again it's just the boundary of where does
that end and is it going to change in two weeks
is it going to change in two months and and this
is as you say it's so fluid as well if we if
we had a system whereby we knew that an ai model
could 100 without hallucinations correctly identify
electronic components and wiring to the point
where the human's not required is it still a
skill which it should be fundamental to the program
in the same way that most people now can't do
fire by friction because they don't need to so
there was a time where that was an absolutely
essential skill for anyone in a tribe it's not
now and it may be that things that we now say
i mean i i have great respect for coders and
people who teach themselves coding but you know
even um some of the people at the cutting edge
of um ai are now saying you know six to nine
months and Most coding, 90 % of coding will be
done by AI platforms because it's faster, it's
efficient. It doesn't mean that we don't need
developers, but they're going to focus on the
part that AI doesn't do well or where there's
a more creative element. But maybe, I don't know,
but maybe you do still need the fundamentals
in order to then be able to do the more complex
work afterwards. And it's how we do that, how
we still engender a respect and investment of
the time needed for the fundamentals. When students
know all you need to do is take that picture.
I mean, I became a victim of my own success with
AI a few weeks back. I've been teaching ways
in which AI can be leveraged. And I gave a very
simple kind of 10 question task on... a text
that we just studied. And one of the students
pulled his phone out, photographed it, gave it
to chat GPT and gave me the answers in a minute.
And that was my 15 minute activity was just destroyed.
And he smiled smugly. And then I thought, you
know what? You're right. That's not on you. That's
on me because I created a task that was mundane,
routine, simple with a bit more creativity. I
should have come up with something that was AI
proofed and also more engaging so that that wasn't
the first thing he wanted to do. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah, no, I completely agree. And I think you're
completely right. And there was a quote that
came up in one of your podcasts earlier on about,
you know, AI should be doing the laundry, not
the art. Yeah, I completely agree with that.
And I think, you know, it should be used as a
tool to do those mundane tasks, almost to the
point that, you know, as a tool, it should almost
disappear into the process. You know, it should
become an extension of the thought, whether it's
Whether it's ChatGPT helping with research, whether
it's, I still do a lot of music stuff and I've
explored things like Suno, whether it's Suno
helping to shape musical compositions rather
than to replace the music that you do, whether
it's AI aiding in software development, I think
the true value lies in how these tools amplify
creativity rather than dilute it. absolutely
um was andrew weeks at the school in the music
department when you were he was he was indeed
yeah so andrew and i are due to have a conversation
just like ours on sunday um okay sort of a precursor
to a future interview and he and I ran an AI
music competition using Suno where my students
in my AI course created musical tracks and then
he adjudicated and I also threw in some human
tracks and he had to figure out which were which
and then to comment on the quality of the AI
generated music and it led to some very rich
conversations about exactly that. What are the
concerns about AI music? system stealing work
from human composers because he makes a good
part of his living from original compositions
um in what ways is it an empowering tool because
it democratizes the process and allows people
like me who have not got a musical bone in my
body to be able to write a song and then put
it to music um and then what's the shadow side
what is it going to do more harm than good you
know yeah yeah but i think you know it's it's
a very interesting tool and once again it's something
that i haven't personally used to replace anything
and it you know i'm currently working on i've
released a couple of singles last year i'm working
on a an album at the moment and you know there's
a couple of tracks in this album that i've written
that are duets and in order to kind of show the
person that is singing that track with me what
it would sound like when those two voices are
kind of together what i've used utilize suno
for is i've been able to sing their part record
it into suno get that back as a female vocal
layer that with mine and send that to them to
be able to be like you know this is this is kind
of what i'm looking at but the interesting thing
that's come from that is suno doesn't always
replicate it as exactly as you've sung it and
so sometimes i get things back and it does it
slightly differently and i'm like oh i didn't
think of doing it like that and that is actually
encouraged me to change certain parts of how
I've sung certain lines in these songs so again
it's all about that aid not replace I think And
so, yeah, and I can imagine in the future, assuming
that AI continues to become more nuanced and
refined, that we could genuinely have a collaborative
creative process where it's actually hard to
say where the AI's contribution ends and the
human picks up from that and vice versa. And
the end product is richer for the, you know,
we could achieve the same thing, perhaps something
better collaborating with other humans, but sometimes
that's just not practical or possible. And I
do hope that we find ourselves in a kind of a
renaissance of the arts where rather than feeling
that human beings are being displaced by AI,
instead we find a kind of a rich new vein of
creativity. 100%. So in your experience of using
AI, whether it's Suno or ChatGPT or whatever,
what are the things that you found empowering
about it? And where's the frustration or the
pain points for you at the moment? I think...
In general, I would say the thing I would say
that the same thing that makes it empowering
is the thing that makes it frustrating at the
moment because of the different roles that I'm
doing. I think the fact that it's so easy to
access and available makes it so powerful and
efficient. But I think that is that ease of access
is also what is unfortunately in some situations
allowing some people to almost skip. the creative
process entirely so i think it's it's a bit of
both you know i think the thing that makes it
empowering and frustrating is the same thing
and it's you know the fact that it's it's there
and it's so easily accessible you know it i think
it completely depends on who's using it and what
they're utilizing it for i think you know ultimately
ai should elevate human ability I think that's
what we've already discussed, and I'm sure you
agree on that. It should elevate human ability
rather than replace it, and I think its power
does genuinely lie in its accessibility and its
efficiency, but that's also its greatest flaw
in how easily it enables bypassing process. Yeah,
and have there been use cases where you've wanted
to achieve something and it hasn't been able
to do it for you? There has, yeah. There's been
times when... I've been trying to generate imagery.
So one of the things I have used it for is, for
example, if I'm trying to storyboard for a client,
if I'm, you know, this and this is for industry,
I'm trying to storyboard, you know, things that
we are doing and things that we're trying to
present. And I've only got a certain period of
time to do that. I would rather spend the majority
of my time making sure the story is right than
spending ages doing the illustration. Even though
I enjoy the illustration and that's a creative
part of the process, I would rather that it's
more important that the story is right and all
those sections are right. And so there have been
times where I've then utilized AI to try and
help me at least come up with ideas or generate
imagery. And I would say with generating the
imagery, that's been times where it hasn't quite
got it and it hasn't shown what I've wanted it
to show. And then you kind of go through this
loop of iterating and being like, can you change
this? Can you change that? And sometimes it just
can't. Yeah, yeah, and I've run into the same
thing. So do you use something like Midjourney
as your art generator? Midjourney. Yeah, so Midjourney
is both incredible and incredibly frustrating
at the same time because it almost gets where
you wanted it to be. And then I often find myself
then taking it into Photoshop and using the warp
tool and generative fill. In fact, if there's
time after the call, I'll show you a piece of
software that my students and I have been playing
with called Newark. I don't know whether you've
come across that. No, I haven't. No, no. I will
at some point do a recording on it. The guys
at Newark have been incredibly generous and they've
kind of given us free credits for all the students
I teach to play with it. But in short, it allows
designers to be able to take a sketch and then,
so you could sketch out the exact body posture
you wanted for a character or the position of
the... you know the kitchen on the moon or whatever
it might be yeah and then but but as rough lines
and then you bring that in as your um template
image and then you can also drag in elements
for textures and surfaces and then it will adhere
exactly to the line you're outlined but populate
it and shape it from the prompt you give it as
well so for example i took a sketch that my son
had done when he was four of a monster and imported
that very kind of um childish line sketch and
then turned it into a three -dimensional plushie
that adhered exactly to the design um but i was
able to import the kind of fluffiness and the
the right colors and it's incredible um and i
wonder whether that might be you know some something
that you with your design skills might be able
to leverage and make really good use of 100 yeah
definitely so looking forward um to wait the
way things are going to change Can you imagine
how you might be augmenting your work moving
forward if AI continues to advance and it becomes
more powerful? Let's assume that we deal with
the proprietary data and the protection of that
data so that you're working with models that
run in -house. In a kind of Star Trek world,
what would you like AI to be able to do that
it's not doing for you now that you would want
to outsource without losing the creativity and
your passion for what you do in the process?
Yeah, it's a good question. I think ultimately
the thing that I find not difficult, the thing
that I find different at the moment in terms
of especially the company that I'm at is it's
a small team. And so in terms of what I do, I
am the only product design engineer. OK, so it
is me, you know, and I've got people to bounce
ideas off of. We have a robotics engineer who's
fantastic. And obviously the CEO and the CTO
will kind of bounce ideas off each other. But
I think the thing that I am that I miss from
my time at university is being in a studio with,
you know, 30 other people. When I get stuck on
something and I'm trying to come up with ideas
and generate different ways of doing something,
I've got someone there that's like, oh, have
you considered this? Have you considered that?
That is the thing that I miss in what I'm doing
at the moment. So I think the thing that AI can
already do and that I could utilize that for
is helping to come up with. you know tweaks of
ways that i'm doing things and you know being
able to be like this is what i've got this bit's
not quite working i can't work out you know this
that way to do it yeah um before i had people
there that could kind of jump in on that and
i think ai has the ability to do that but like
you say at the moment with how things are i wouldn't
trust it in terms of the confidentiality and
the ip so genuine collaboration um on a on a
level of creativity so that it's augmenting what
you do and kind of bouncing ideas back or saying
i really like this here's three alternative ideas
and then you can choose what to do with it 100
yeah i don't imagine we're very far away from
that becoming a reality um yeah So, yeah, I definitely
think we should be keeping an eye out for locally
hosted models that can run big systems and see
where it goes. So before we wrap things up, the
last thing is I want you to imagine that I take
you back to Norwich School now and you're restarting
your sixth form. Terrifying a prospect there
that might be. And you're doing your... Presumably,
would you study the same subjects that you did,
given that it's taken you to where you are now?
Yeah, yeah. I mean, I was in a very... lucky
position that i always knew what i wanted to
do from a very a very young age i mean i remember
i was picking my speaking my gcses when i was
that must have been 13 is it when you pick yeah
13 coming on to 14 yeah um And I remember picking
my GCSEs and I was looking at companies that
I wanted to work for and what I wanted to do.
And I was looking at companies like Apple and
their product design engineer roles. And then
I looked at what degree I needed to do to get
onto that. And I looked at what A -levels I needed
to do to get onto that degree. And then I picked
what GCSEs I needed to do to get onto that A
-level. Yeah, so you were very focused. Yeah,
I've always been very sort of tunnel vision on
exactly what I wanted to do and where I wanted
to get to. So I don't think I would change anything
if I was to go back. Okay, so you're back there.
You've got two years before you start your tertiary
studies, but AI is where it is right now in terms
of its ability. Do you think that schools like
the one that you attended, it requires them at
this stage to adapt their curriculum, their delivery,
the assessment process or whatever? in order
to give you the opportunity to learn about AI
and use it? Because you've already said that
a blanket ban on access is not an enlightened
approach. Yeah, yeah. And do you think as a 13,
14 -year -old version of you, you would have
avoided the temptation to have ChatGPT doing
all your homework? I'm just interested to see
if you can imagine into that, what would that
look like for you? Yeah, I think I definitely...
I can say with some certainty that I would never
have used AI to just replace doing work. And,
you know, I've never been, you know, there's
always been ways of cutting corners. Before AI,
there's always been ways of cutting corners.
And, you know, if someone's gonna cut corners,
they're gonna cut corners, whether AI is there
or not. And I've never been that sort of person
because I genuinely value... learning how to
do things. And I genuinely care about knowing
how things work rather than just skipping to
the end point. But I do think I definitely would
have utilized AI tools. And it goes back to what
we said, it's there. And I think it's naive to
just pretend that it's not. yeah and so it definitely
it has to be integrated into what we're doing
and it's it's something that is becoming a part
of everyday life and so to not teach people about
that you know we teach people about you know
almost everything else that is a part of everyday
life because it's something that we have to live
through and it's something that we have to learn
and something we have to go through so i think
it is only common sense for learning about ai
and its benefits and its disadvantages to become
a part of the curriculum i think it has to i
i completely agree i actually had a tutorial
period today with some sixth form students from
the school and i was basically trying to kind
of wake them up to the idea that most of them
had used chat gpt at some point but none of them
were really familiar with the range of tools
that were available and what they could do in
terms of coding for example yeah and i was kind
of just inviting them to think on the fact that
they're going into a profession where if you
aren't able to augment your workflow with ai
tools you're probably going to be an anachronism
by the time you leave university so now's the
time to start upskilling and thinking about ways
in which you can work alongside these tools and
and do it in an ethical way and i think it got
a good reception i think they were both receptive
and kind of quite excited by it but also a little
intimidated by the learning curve that that involves
because it can seem from the outside it does
seem quite an intimidating thing but once you're
starting to use the tools it's actually it's
not that challenging is it really the user interface
is a pretty straightforward 100 and i think you
know the future of ai is only going to become
more prominent and i think you know i think in
terms of what's happening next with ai i think
the point where it really has a real impact is
when it becomes more physical and it moves beyond
software and i think that's the point you know
right now ai is mostly it's mostly digital digital
but i think once it becomes integrated into robotics
and physical products that's when it's going
to change everyday life and you know that may
be biased from a product designer's view but
i think the future of ai really is not in digital
interactions but it's in seamless integration
of of products you know of hardware and software
um and objects that will ultimately enrich and
enhance sort of the fundamental rhythms of daily
life you know i think it's the real shift is
when it's going to help with everyday physical
tasks whether that's cooking cleaning shopping
that's when the real revolution is gonna gonna
come i think yeah and i would imagine i can't
imagine a kitchen on the moon that doesn't have
humanoid robots operating within that kitchen.
Most of the people at the cutting edge of robotics,
when I'm watching or reading material from them,
they're talking about the end of this year for
the first AI -augmented humanoid robots to be
in family homes. Initially, there's going to
be a price point that will make it prohibitive
for most people, but we know that that's going
to come down. So probably three to five years,
I would imagine. I mean, you've got obviously
you've got companies like you've got Tesla and
you've got companies like One X who are developing
humanoid robots. And One X is a really interesting
one. If people haven't looked into them, I highly
recommend it because they've kind of been in
the background and then they've suddenly revealed
this humanoid robot. And it's way more advanced
than anyone expected. I think Tesla are probably
shaking in their boots. But companies like that
who are developing these sort of humanoid robots
with this AI, I think that is going to be. a
game changer yeah absolutely and and also you
can imagine the the utility of that for example
working in environments that are high risk to
human beings where you know toxic exposure and
so forth yeah as well as you know care for the
elderly and you can see just lots of practical
ways in which it could improve the world yeah
100 well we should have another conversation
maybe in a year or so's time and see whether
things have moved on and see what's changed yeah
absolutely but i really appreciate the time you
spent with us um yeah and you will however many
interviews i do you will always be the first
you were the first interviewer thank you for
having me i appreciate it it's a pleasure and
thanks for taking the time good luck in your
projects and yes let's stay in touch and let
people know once we get the first kitchen on
the moon Hopefully you'll have your name stamped
somewhere on the drawers. Hopefully I'll be up
there installing it. Would you want to? I would
love to. If NASA are listening, get me on a Falcon
9, I would love it. Well, listen, you're young,
you're in shape, and you've got the skillset
and the knowledge. I can't see why they wouldn't.
Thanks very much. Take care. Awesome. Thank you.
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