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Welcome, welcome, welcome back to the Left of

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Old North. We're your hosts with the most. My

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name is Adrian. And I'm CJ. And today, okay,

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we're going to have to move through this episode

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pretty quickly because I feel like we say this

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every episode, but there is a lot of lot to cover.

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And I mean, it's only been a week. We're going

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to try and get this out the very next morning.

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So, you know, hang on to your hats. We're going

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to be moving through this pretty quick. CJ, how's

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your week been? It's been good. It's been good.

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Busy, but, you know, got the Easter and all that

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good stuff. But, you know, that's done. And now

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we're. Yeah. Happy Easter. Happy late Easter

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to everybody who celebrated. And, you know, happy

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250th anniversary of Lexington and Concord. Happy

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420 to all of you who indulge. And, you know,

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we'll just move right along from there. So big

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thing happened this weekend. which I will cover

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a little bit more later, but the 50 -51 protest

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that happened on the 19th here in Raleigh and

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also saw a lot of American flags out there. But

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a lot of the American flags were upside down,

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which I think is interesting because if you don't

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know, an American flag that's flown upside down

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means that the country is in a time of distress.

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Now, both sides have kind of used this to mean...

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Different things at different times. During Biden's

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presidency, there were a lot of MAGA supporters

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that loved to fly upside down flags and variations

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of flags that were many different colors, some

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all black, which is also a way to say take no

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prisoners. So if you didn't know, but CJ, I wanted

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to get your your kind of insight because you

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brought this up to me while we were discussing

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what we wanted to talk about. And I think it's

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interesting the premise that you're putting forward

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here. Yeah. So I can't even remember how I started

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to think about this, where this came from. But

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I started kind of thinking about the idea of

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one thing that I think Democrats might want to

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do or probably should do. on a national level,

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state level, whatever, kind of reclaim this idea

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of patriotism. Now, does this mean you want us

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to start wearing the American flag? as like our

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booty shorts or like not quite quite um i'm not

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saying go full on you know toby keith courtesy

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of the red wine blue over here because i mean

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i do have a pair and i'm just looking for any

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excuse to bust those suckers out that will be

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for the top tier uh Part of our Patreon is a

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full 12 -month calendar spread of Adrian Brakeley

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in his red, white, and blue booty shorts. Nice.

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All right, cool. I will bust out the camera here

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pretty shortly. Fourth of July special coming

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up, folks. Discount code 1776. Anyway, all that

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to say, no, I think that for a very long time,

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the... right, especially after 9 -11, kind of

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took over the American flag, kind of took over

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what it means and kind of defined what it means

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to be patriotic, to love your country and all

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that stuff. And while this may not be for every

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single Republican out there, a lot of this idea

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of what it means to be patriotic is being, you

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know, almost nationalistic being you know against

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anything that is different anything that's not

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you know baseball and apple pie and it is excuse

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me and it is not questioning the president although

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it's not questioning the president as long as

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that president is a republican but the thing

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is The way I look at it, one of the most patriotic

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things you can do is question the president,

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is question the government and push back and

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criticize. It doesn't mean you don't love your

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country. It just means you want to see it get

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better. That's kind of a little, that's kind

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of an aside there. And I tend to agree in the

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way that like, yeah, patriotism should not belong

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to one party. The wires get a little crossed

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there when we start. putting a nationalistic

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vibe on it right because then it's like well

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okay maybe maybe both parties don't need to be

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super like nationalists we don't need to all

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be wearing flag pins and make sure to fly the

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flag off the back of our ford f -150s all across

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our seven lane highways we don't we don't all

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need to be doing that but i think that you raise

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a good point of like there there are clearly

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a bunch of democrats who would do that no matter

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what um they might be embarrassed to because

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they don't want to be associated necessarily

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as somebody who leans conservative but i would

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argue they kind of already do and maybe they

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just need to embrace that and kind of just like

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take it back in a way yeah like hey hey man people

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on the left already think that moderate democrats

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are more to the right than some republicans so

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like just own it maybe and you know republicans

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love to campaign democrats in this light of they

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are anti -american they're anti -america right

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and i think one way we can fight that is again

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embrace the iconography embrace the flag embrace

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you know you know the bald eagle and all that

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stuff but we don't have to take it to that nationalistic

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level nothing says we have to and we shouldn't

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take it to that level it's a very fine line Yeah,

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no, it is. It's a fine line between nationalistic

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and jinganistic and patriotic. And I will say,

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I think that the Republican Party, again, especially

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post 9 -11. Oh, I mean, the Democrats, too, post

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9 -11. Well, true, true. But they did. But I

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will say Republicans have definitely done a incredible

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job in the worst way of weaponizing patriotism.

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Sometimes literally. yeah let's let's paint american

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flags on the side of our bombs there it's patriot

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it's it's it's not a weapon of mass destruction

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it's a weapon of mass patriotism we're bringing

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democracy to the desert and like i i think that

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you you have a good i think you have a good premise

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i think it's interesting that like why not let

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the left also use the symbol of american iconography

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and this sort of patriotic bent. Why can't we

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do that? And I think that part of the problem

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is that so much of what is jingoistic, what is

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conservative, is already kind of wrapped up in

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the flag. It's really hard to separate that,

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especially when you have a large subsection of

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the left wing of our, I guess, our society. Not

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just the party, but in our society that views

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the American flag as something that... is just

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inherently colonial it is inherently abusive

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to like native people it's that's kind of hard

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for us to reclaim in a way yeah um not shooting

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it down not shooting the idea down at all but

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that is that is the struggle that is ultimately

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the thing that is going to be a defining feature

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in the conversation that i don't think a lot

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of people will be able to get over unfortunately

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yeah yeah i get it and i think Again, one of

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the things I said earlier was, you know, I think

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one of the most patriotic things you can do is

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criticize your country. But one of the most patriotic

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things you can do is also be honest about your

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country. Be honest about its history. And be

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honest about its mistakes. It's, you know, I

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would say it's original sin, but really original

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sins, plural. Mass genocide of Native Americans,

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slavery, etc. Yeah. But... We can also try and

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remember that, you know, we have still, we have

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done great things, but we have also done horrible

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things. Right. And we need to acknowledge those

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horrible things and learn from it. We learn from

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it, we correct those mistakes, and we as a country,

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we as a society can grow from it. I think that

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that's probably the right way to look at it.

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I mean, but that's also clearly from our perspective.

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Oh yeah, no, we're two white dudes. We definitely

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don't necessarily have our finger on the pulse

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there. Well, I mean, I already said I kind of

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already gave the game away. I do have some things

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that have an American flag emblazoned on them

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that I wear on an... infrequent basis but that

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i still wear so like it's not beyond what i already

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consider to be you know something that i would

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already do but you mentioned also some recent

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democratic campaigns that prominently featured

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the flag we kind of covered this a little bit

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very very briefly but like democrats post 9 -11

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went hard on using the flag as part of their

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imagery and the thing is that bush was just better

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at it I think a lot of Republican conservatives

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were. So that's something that's going to be

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hard to overcome because Obama didn't get away

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from it completely, but he did sort of move the

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iconography from something that was more nationalistic

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oriented to something that was more identity

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oriented. It was more, the campaign was not necessarily,

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and this isn't to knock him at all, but the campaign

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was more about his identity and the hope that

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he represented. and the change that he could

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represent as somebody who could become president

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versus somebody running with a national identity.

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Like, for instance, I have a Biden poster back

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here, or a Biden sign back here. They very explicitly

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used the imagery of the flag and the E in his

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name. And he's definitely not the first one to

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do it. Not at all. But definitely the most prominent.

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recently, I would say. Do you have any examples

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that you can think of? Putting you on the spot

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here, but... Oh, God. Because he's looking back

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on his wall trying to figure out... It's not

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beyond the realm of possibility for Democrats

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to use this kind of imagery, but I just don't

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think that in the post -911 era, in the post

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-Obama era even, and especially after Trump,

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we are kind of past the point. on the left where

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we want to use that kind of iconography because

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it sort of labels you as someone who is in that

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way well i will say if we do kind of go that

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route if we do try to reclaim it so say we should

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embrace efforts by progressive groups to kind

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of make it a little bit more inclusive and justice

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-oriented. You can go back to that idea of the

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original sin and inequity and inequality in the

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country. So yeah, no, we can definitely work

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on following the lead of those democratic campaigns

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or those progressive groups, I should say, to...

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kind of reclaim, redefine patriotism as something

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that is inclusive and is justice oriented. And

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I think that, well, obviously it does not solve

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every single problem out there. It does not necessarily

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address adequately, you know, those issues of

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the original sins, as I put it earlier. Yeah.

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It's still a step that we can take. I don't know

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if we have the PR money for that, to be honest.

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But speaking of, speaking of PR money. And something

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that the DNC is kind of dealing with right now.

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Kind of want to pivot real hard into something

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that happened this week that was kind of a big

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story. If you haven't heard about it already,

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25 -year -old David Hogg, who just recently won

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a position as a vice chair in the Democratic

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Party, he put forward a plan, or rather, just

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not really a plan, just an initiative to fund

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primary challenges against incumbent Democrats

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that... He and people in his organization called

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Leaders We Deserve feel are not doing enough

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to resist the Trump administration and, by extension,

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Republicans in general. And that has kind of

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resulted in some tensions, to put it mildly.

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So just some quick facts on this. So they want

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to fund a $20 million campaign through... the

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leaders we deserve. I don't know if it's a PAC

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or if it's just a group. I think it might be

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a PAC. I think they have a PAC associated with

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it. Regardless, they want to spend $20 million

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through that organization to support young progressive

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candidates to challenge these older incumbents.

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And just today, when we're recording, this is

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the 20th, criticism from party leaders like Hakeem

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Jeffries, who emphasize unity and caution, he

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basically said, I don't care what David wants

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to do. I'm going to stick by our incumbents.

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And David Hogg has kind of put forward this defense

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as like, it's essential for revitalizing the

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Democratic Party. Because right now we have certain

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leaders that are... Not really beholden to the

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wider demographic of young voters and Democrats

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in general, but I see the argument on both sides

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a little bit that technically they are representing

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their constituency. If they're not going to get

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voted out, that's kind of what primaries are

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for. On the flip side of that, I do think it's

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very healthy for democracy in general, but especially

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for political parties to have regular contested

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primaries. Now, I know that there are some who

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would disagree with me, especially because primaries

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cost a lot of money. There's a lot of time investment

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involved. So not taking that out of the equation.

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It's just it's it's something that's cropped

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up over the last week. And it's been part of

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a large like it's one small part of a larger

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conversation that's kind of been boiling and

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boiling and boiling. And I think this might be

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the tipping point. Yeah. And I mean, like you

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said, this is having these challenges are. part

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of a healthy democracy. And it's what will help

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keep the Democratic Party itself also healthy.

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But, I mean, I think David Hogg also went on

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at some point in the past week to say something

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along the lines of, you know, we're not just

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going to challenge people who are old or people

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who are whatever. We're going to challenge people

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who are essentially feckless, the ones who aren't

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showing a spine or anything like that, which

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is much needed. I mean, the Democratic Party

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has an approval rating of, what, 27? percent

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that sounds about right and i wouldn't be surprised

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if it's lower now yeah same obviously that's

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a huge problem you know yeah you have you know

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we have had members of the democratic party literally

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die in office uh what was her in california uh

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diane feinstein yeah yeah she uh literally died

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while she was still in office and she was She

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was in her 90s. How old was she when she died?

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90? Yeah. She had been there, I think, since

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at least the 80s, if I remember right. Something

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like that. I mean, regardless, it was longer

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than most of us, or most of our age group had

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been alive. Yeah, exactly. And my thing, or one

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of my things is, you know, you get into office,

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you know, you, you know, this is your first term,

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you are still connected in a way to your district.

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You're still... Connected to the zeitgeist that

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you kind of managed to tap into. You're there

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for another term. You know, you've been in D

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.C. for a while. You've kind of started learning

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how to play the game. And maybe you haven't been

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to your district as much. But you still go on

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the breaks and whatnot that Congress have specifically

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for that purpose. Then you get reelected and

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it's the third term. And oh my God, where am

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I even from? I don't remember now. Yeah. Oh,

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this is an issue in my district, apparently?

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Well, I can stay 20 minutes and call my office,

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so I have no idea. You start to kind of lose

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that connection. Again, that pulse on the zeitgeist

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of your district. You become out of touch. Yeah,

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exactly. You become out of touch. You just kind

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of get used to it. You kind of take it for granted,

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and you don't put in the effort. You get so used

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to what you're doing that you just... You get

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complacent. Once you start to get complacent,

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you start to not care, not actively care. You

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don't really or you no longer consider. Let me

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back up. Well, you no longer consider that to

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be an important part of your job to get to know

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your constituency on a regular basis. You're

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just kind of there to do the wheeling and dealing

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in Washington, D .C. And I think a lot of these

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Washington insiders start to feel that the things

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that are going on in D .C. are a lot more important

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than what's going on in their district. Not because

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they don't care. I think at some level they do.

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I don't want to come out and just be like, they

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don't care about anything that happened to their

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district. I don't want to put that blanket statement

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on everybody. Because that's not fair. We're

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people. We're flawed. But I'm not going to give

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them... I'm not going to sugarcoat... that like

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yes there are people in congress right now that

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are completely oblivious to the kinds of things

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that are affecting everyday americans and they

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continue to call for they continue to call for

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pushes in congress and from the president i mean

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democratic senators and congressmen as well will

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try to they're trying to like influence trump

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as if they're going to get anywhere with him

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especially publicly and and it just it just speaks

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to like This goes back to a few weeks ago now

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with Chuck Schumer. Just feeling that this old

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way of getting things done in Washington is still

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the way to do it. We are past that, man. Catch

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up. Catch up. The train is leaving. You are on

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the last car. You better jump on or we're moving

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beyond you because we have to. We have to keep

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the train moving. If you're not on, that's not

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our fault. And like people were calling for Alexandria

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Ocasio -Cortez to run against him. I would say

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that at this point, not a bad pitch. No, it's

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not. I mean, it's again, it's because Schumer

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is out of touch. Pelosi is out of touch. Most

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of the Democratic leadership is out of touch.

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And, you know, what's the quote? It's the definition

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of insanity is doing the same thing and expecting

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a different result. We have done the same thing

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as a party for so damn long. And look where we

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are at. The Republicans have control of all three

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major branches of government. And even though

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there's a system of checks and balances, those

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fucking systems are breaking down right now.

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Right. You know? And even when they don't, even

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when. There's a sliver of hope and there's a

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unanimous decision by the Supreme Court in what

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just happened earlier this week. If you've been

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paying attention, they basically told the Trump

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administration, no, you cannot send this dude

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to El Salvador without due process. Even when

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this court that has a six to three conservative

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majority decides that the Trump administration

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is wrong, they're still not doing it. The Trump

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administration is just ignoring him. Just ignoring

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the court. And it's like, well, okay, so checks

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and balances. Hey, Congress, maybe do your job.

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Nope, because they've got a very slim majority

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in both the House and the Senate. So nothing's

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going to happen. So throw the checks and balances

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thing out the window. We have got to stop leaning

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on that, Chuck. And by a somewhat lesser extension,

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Hakeem Jeffries, do... whatever it takes at this

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point that's what we as american citizens that's

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what we as democrats that was that's what we

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as liberals and anybody to the left of us is

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saying please dear god pull whatever levers you

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have and i think it's interesting a lot of this

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pushback that you were seeing against david hogg's

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idea you know not all of it comes from the leaders

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but a lot I would rather say a sizable majority

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of it does. It's coming from Schumer and Pelosi

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and Jeffries and whatnot. And I think it's most

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definitely in part at least because they're afraid

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of losing their own power. Republicans love power.

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Democrats also love power. Yes. You know? Yes.

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And whenever you have been there for so damn

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long, you don't want to give it up. And you don't

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want to lose re -election. Exactly. And my thing

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is... Because you can be in power and... still

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lose an election or not be in office like you

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can go be a lobbyist you can you can go work

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on the board or be on the board with of a multi

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-billion dollar company there are ways but it's

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a multifaceted it is and i'm going back to your

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little train thing like i think my analogy i

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like is you know we are still or have been acting

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forever like you know republicans are playing

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the same game we are but they're not you know

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it's not even that they're playing by a different

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set of rules, they've created a whole new fucking

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game. We're still over here like, oh, I played

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baseball and hit it and run the bases and whatnot.

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They're figuring other shit out. They're doing

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something that we don't even know what it is.

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That's funny. I was also thinking of baseball.

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I'm sure that anybody's listening to this. I

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would bet that there's a high percentage of you.

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We didn't even mention the game, but then he

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said baseball and I was like, wow, okay. Is it

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because it just has... A ridiculous set of rules.

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Well, there you go. We're bringing it back. Do

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you think it's just because it has an absurd

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amount of rules and not all of them are used

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all the time and barely anybody knows what's

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going on at any given time and for some reason

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it's just all boring as shit but we keep doing

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it? I mean, partly. Baseball people out there

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are going to hate me for that one. I mean...

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that's the thing like schumer and pelosi they

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just they don't know what's going on anymore

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no they really don't they just care about their

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insider trading pelosi well allegedly possibly

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very loosely allegedly look representative mike

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levin out of california california uh 49th district

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he's he's made his whole uh congressional career

00:23:02.119 --> 00:23:04.460
off of trying to get congressional stock trading

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banned completely and let me tell you they he

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is getting his work cut out for him this week

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because and during this presidency like when

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you have when you have high level economists

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straight up saying like i would be shocked if

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there isn't anybody in the upper echelons of

00:23:23.660 --> 00:23:27.599
our federal government that is not making a pretty

00:23:27.599 --> 00:23:30.680
penny off of the fact that these stocks suddenly

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jumped and then dove overnight yeah i just i

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mean i i like david hobb's idea i think that

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we should be challenging the people who are feckless

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who don't have a spine who aren't willing to

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do what like say senator uh van holland did yeah

00:23:46.720 --> 00:23:50.109
like go down to el salvador people We should

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be challenging people who won't use their platform

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and use their voice that people have voted to

00:23:55.890 --> 00:23:58.930
give them. We should challenge them. We should

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call them out. And we should make them afraid.

00:24:01.430 --> 00:24:03.470
We should make them realize that, oh shit, I

00:24:03.470 --> 00:24:06.529
can lose this position. I don't change what I'm

00:24:06.529 --> 00:24:10.509
doing and actually do my fucking job. Which is

00:24:10.509 --> 00:24:15.299
to listen to the people who voted you in. Even

00:24:15.299 --> 00:24:17.240
if you want to sit here and claim that we are

00:24:17.240 --> 00:24:20.400
all paid by Soros. Still waiting on that check,

00:24:20.480 --> 00:24:24.099
George. Yeah, same. He can Venmo me, if anything.

00:24:24.539 --> 00:24:26.779
Yeah. We're going to have to get in touch with

00:24:26.779 --> 00:24:29.599
his son, I guess, now. Apparently he does more

00:24:29.599 --> 00:24:32.380
of the business side of things now. But that

00:24:32.380 --> 00:24:35.720
kind of brings me into it. I'm going to take

00:24:35.720 --> 00:24:38.180
a bit of an opposite position here from David

00:24:38.180 --> 00:24:42.700
Hogg. I appreciate the urgency and I appreciate

00:24:42.700 --> 00:24:45.000
the action and the willingness to just be like,

00:24:45.059 --> 00:24:48.019
no, this is what we're going to do. Suck it up

00:24:48.019 --> 00:24:50.079
if you don't like it, because we're going to

00:24:50.079 --> 00:24:54.220
do it. The one thing that we need to really make

00:24:54.220 --> 00:24:56.259
sure that we're watching for is that we're not

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unintentionally replacing people who do represent

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their district really well, because then we run

00:25:03.160 --> 00:25:07.460
the risk of a more moderate Republican. running

00:25:07.460 --> 00:25:09.720
in the general election and then winning over

00:25:09.720 --> 00:25:12.599
moderates not that's not the fear monger about

00:25:12.599 --> 00:25:15.279
like the overton window and oh that's why you

00:25:15.279 --> 00:25:17.180
should never run progressives but like this is

00:25:17.180 --> 00:25:20.920
why it it's a district by district race house

00:25:20.920 --> 00:25:24.630
races are not national races. Sometimes they

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can be, especially when it's a really high profile

00:25:27.029 --> 00:25:29.829
one. But for the most part, it's a statewide

00:25:29.829 --> 00:25:33.509
at most race. Senate races are where it gets

00:25:33.509 --> 00:25:36.630
really like more at the national level. And that's

00:25:36.630 --> 00:25:38.589
where you get a lot of big money coming in from

00:25:38.589 --> 00:25:41.269
outside states and things like that. Here in

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North Carolina, we have four Democrats and 10

00:25:46.210 --> 00:25:51.059
Republicans in our House delegation. to congress

00:25:51.059 --> 00:25:54.799
it used to be seven and seven a lot more even

00:25:54.799 --> 00:25:58.099
right now some people would argue you know those

00:25:58.099 --> 00:26:01.039
maps were also gerrymandered more in favor of

00:26:01.039 --> 00:26:03.279
the democrats especially when you look at that

00:26:03.279 --> 00:26:05.000
one that stretches all the way from like winston

00:26:05.000 --> 00:26:08.079
-salem down to charlotte um if you take a look

00:26:08.079 --> 00:26:10.160
at a map from the 2010s you know what i'm talking

00:26:10.160 --> 00:26:15.349
about but so fair understood But that doesn't

00:26:15.349 --> 00:26:17.490
mean it's necessarily fair, right? We've got

00:26:17.490 --> 00:26:23.630
anywhere between 10 % at the most down to like

00:26:23.630 --> 00:26:29.990
a .01 % difference in voting here in the state

00:26:29.990 --> 00:26:33.849
when it comes to the split of votes between people.

00:26:33.970 --> 00:26:38.150
It's a very purple -ish state. We should not

00:26:38.150 --> 00:26:42.240
have a... four ten and that's tentative like

00:26:42.240 --> 00:26:45.740
don davis won that race by a hair yeah that's

00:26:45.740 --> 00:26:48.160
nc that's nc's first district for all of y 'all

00:26:48.160 --> 00:26:50.759
that are listening and um just so you know that

00:26:50.759 --> 00:26:54.779
that first district includes 22 counties in the

00:26:54.779 --> 00:26:57.599
northeast of north carolina so just imagine that

00:26:57.599 --> 00:27:02.799
campaign um for a second the point being that

00:27:02.799 --> 00:27:06.140
sometimes you cannot run somebody in that district

00:27:06.140 --> 00:27:09.740
that is way less socially conservative than somebody

00:27:09.740 --> 00:27:12.700
like Don Davis. Part of the reason he won in

00:27:12.700 --> 00:27:14.839
that district is because he's able to relate

00:27:14.839 --> 00:27:17.359
to the people that live out there and he represents

00:27:17.359 --> 00:27:19.740
them a little bit better, even if he doesn't.

00:27:19.900 --> 00:27:22.759
hold the same types of values. 80 % of the time,

00:27:22.799 --> 00:27:25.400
85 % of the time, probably even 90 % of the time,

00:27:25.420 --> 00:27:27.880
he's going to vote with Democrats. But on bills

00:27:27.880 --> 00:27:30.039
where it's a little more socially conservative,

00:27:30.279 --> 00:27:32.500
a little bit more on the gun rights advocacy

00:27:32.500 --> 00:27:35.119
type thing, he might vote the other way. And

00:27:35.119 --> 00:27:37.640
the question we really have to ask ourselves

00:27:37.640 --> 00:27:39.619
is do we want to win elections or do we want

00:27:39.619 --> 00:27:42.279
to have accurate representation? I would argue

00:27:42.279 --> 00:27:44.839
we just need more fair mouths. And I mean, yeah,

00:27:44.880 --> 00:27:50.119
no, I think that is a... fair critique i do i

00:27:50.119 --> 00:27:52.579
think there is room for kind of both of these

00:27:52.579 --> 00:27:56.240
ideas a little bit i think we do need to be careful

00:27:56.240 --> 00:27:59.220
of those places where you know if someone gets

00:27:59.220 --> 00:28:03.500
out in a more moderate or than a moderate republican

00:28:03.500 --> 00:28:05.380
just can't just kind of slide in and we lose

00:28:05.380 --> 00:28:08.069
we lose that But we should still, at the same

00:28:08.069 --> 00:28:11.349
time, go after people who literally do nothing

00:28:11.349 --> 00:28:13.309
for the party, who are not helping to advance

00:28:13.309 --> 00:28:16.890
it, who are not helping to stand up and, again,

00:28:16.930 --> 00:28:19.309
use that platform, use their position to speak

00:28:19.309 --> 00:28:21.630
up against the bullshit going on with the Trump

00:28:21.630 --> 00:28:23.750
administration. I think there's room for both

00:28:23.750 --> 00:28:26.890
of these things. It's just going to take a little

00:28:26.890 --> 00:28:29.829
bit of fine -tuning, to say the least. Yeah,

00:28:29.829 --> 00:28:34.049
and it's also going to take using the current

00:28:34.049 --> 00:28:36.529
situation that we're in. with the Trump administration,

00:28:36.829 --> 00:28:40.009
with the way that the tariffs situation has gone

00:28:40.009 --> 00:28:43.490
with the human rights abuses that, you know,

00:28:43.490 --> 00:28:46.410
somehow they're like just speed running that

00:28:46.410 --> 00:28:49.190
right now. And when you consider that that's

00:28:49.190 --> 00:28:51.589
something that you can use as part of an electoral.

00:28:52.450 --> 00:28:55.069
campaign as part of the rhetoric then i mean

00:28:55.069 --> 00:28:57.470
definitely we should be hinging on that every

00:28:57.470 --> 00:28:59.230
single time we should be just hitting him over

00:28:59.230 --> 00:29:02.269
the head with it and a lot of people are saying

00:29:02.269 --> 00:29:04.710
oh isn't it great that some republicans and some

00:29:04.710 --> 00:29:06.730
conservatives are starting to regret their vote

00:29:06.730 --> 00:29:08.829
or not even just republicans or conservatives

00:29:08.829 --> 00:29:12.289
but moderates and like unaffiliated voters they're

00:29:12.289 --> 00:29:14.269
starting to regret their vote a little bit because

00:29:14.269 --> 00:29:16.170
they didn't like fully understand or they didn't

00:29:16.170 --> 00:29:17.630
think he was actually going to do some of the

00:29:17.630 --> 00:29:19.930
stuff that you know he said that he was going

00:29:19.930 --> 00:29:23.190
to do. But I urge people to really be cautious

00:29:23.190 --> 00:29:26.650
about that because the thing with that is that

00:29:26.650 --> 00:29:29.210
if they were willing to vote for Trump, that

00:29:29.210 --> 00:29:31.430
doesn't mean they're not willing in the future

00:29:31.430 --> 00:29:34.410
to vote for somebody who is a Republican, but

00:29:34.410 --> 00:29:38.029
it's just slightly less bad than Trump. This

00:29:38.029 --> 00:29:41.349
is, this is going to take a lot more of a push

00:29:41.349 --> 00:29:43.950
to make sure that people understand that this

00:29:43.950 --> 00:29:48.069
is not just Trump. This is. the platform of the

00:29:48.069 --> 00:29:50.769
conservative right wing of america right now

00:29:50.769 --> 00:29:54.789
that they are okay with this all of them it's

00:29:54.789 --> 00:29:57.230
not just trump it's the administration it's all

00:29:57.230 --> 00:29:59.029
the people in congress that are enabling him

00:29:59.029 --> 00:30:02.750
it's the courts it is the people that work in

00:30:02.750 --> 00:30:06.009
the party structure especially here in the ncgop

00:30:06.009 --> 00:30:08.829
they are co -signing pretty much everything he

00:30:08.829 --> 00:30:12.329
wants to do and we don't have as much leverage

00:30:13.069 --> 00:30:16.269
as the u .s congress does here in our state legislature

00:30:16.269 --> 00:30:18.910
to be able to fight that we don't so that's the

00:30:18.910 --> 00:30:22.250
fight we have ahead um and you know our races

00:30:22.250 --> 00:30:25.430
get contentious here uh not the least of which

00:30:25.430 --> 00:30:28.190
is the one that has been going on for six months

00:30:28.190 --> 00:30:30.849
now oh dear lord that's right we're bringing

00:30:30.849 --> 00:30:33.750
up the riggs v griffin case again folks ding

00:30:33.750 --> 00:30:38.670
ding ding ding ding round five let's go oh god

00:30:38.670 --> 00:30:43.220
no Again, before we really get into this, I want

00:30:43.220 --> 00:30:46.259
to emphasize to everyone listening to this how

00:30:46.259 --> 00:30:51.039
absolutely fucking absurd this is that we are

00:30:51.039 --> 00:30:55.000
still talking about this in April for a race

00:30:55.000 --> 00:31:00.400
that was in November of last year. This is insanity.

00:31:01.529 --> 00:31:05.589
And it is just a showing of the GOP's willingness

00:31:05.589 --> 00:31:10.250
to throw votes away, steal elections, and strip

00:31:10.250 --> 00:31:15.410
you of your voice. And it is absolutely, again,

00:31:15.549 --> 00:31:18.509
it's just insanity. And, you know, one of the

00:31:18.509 --> 00:31:21.190
voices that they are trying to strip are certain

00:31:21.190 --> 00:31:23.230
military people. You know, the people who...

00:31:23.420 --> 00:31:25.140
Sign up in Adrian. You can probably speak to

00:31:25.140 --> 00:31:27.059
this, obviously, a little bit better than I can.

00:31:27.180 --> 00:31:29.480
But, you know, they're trying to strip away the

00:31:29.480 --> 00:31:33.059
votes of people who have signed up to serve their

00:31:33.059 --> 00:31:37.160
country and this state. Yeah, there's over 1

00:31:37.160 --> 00:31:41.759
,600 ballots. Over 1 ,600 ballots of the 65 ,000,

00:31:41.880 --> 00:31:45.119
68 ,000 that Jefferson Griffith's team was challenging

00:31:45.119 --> 00:31:48.059
belonged to military members, which means that

00:31:48.059 --> 00:31:50.930
they... went through the effort of making sure

00:31:50.930 --> 00:31:53.130
all of their ducks were in a row, making sure

00:31:53.130 --> 00:31:55.509
that they did their civic duty from overseas,

00:31:55.750 --> 00:31:58.390
wherever they were serving, and that those got

00:31:58.390 --> 00:32:02.529
to where they needed to go on time. And the North

00:32:02.529 --> 00:32:06.529
Carolina Supreme Court, which again, is a conservative

00:32:06.529 --> 00:32:09.650
majority right now, is just kind of deciding

00:32:09.650 --> 00:32:12.650
to toss those. Now, correct me if I'm wrong,

00:32:12.789 --> 00:32:14.950
they haven't done it yet, but it is on the table.

00:32:15.250 --> 00:32:18.369
Correct. Last I heard. They haven't... actually

00:32:18.369 --> 00:32:20.930
thrown anything out yet but the fact that it's

00:32:20.930 --> 00:32:24.309
on the table in the first the the fact that it's

00:32:24.309 --> 00:32:27.890
on the table in the first place is it's abhorrent

00:32:27.890 --> 00:32:30.690
like service members don't have a choice to be

00:32:30.690 --> 00:32:33.750
able to come over from you know wherever they're

00:32:33.750 --> 00:32:37.250
stationed to just vote locally in north carolina

00:32:37.250 --> 00:32:39.950
in any state so to just say oh we should just

00:32:39.950 --> 00:32:41.710
throw these out because it's like too much effort

00:32:41.710 --> 00:32:44.170
it's it's too much trouble the fact that they're

00:32:44.170 --> 00:32:47.900
even considering that is It really is a gateway

00:32:47.900 --> 00:32:51.640
to having just kind of what we were talking about

00:32:51.640 --> 00:32:54.180
before, that if they set a precedent for this,

00:32:54.279 --> 00:32:56.859
you're opening the floodgates for them to throw

00:32:56.859 --> 00:33:00.279
out military ballots in any race that they want

00:33:00.279 --> 00:33:02.539
to contest simply because it's too much trouble

00:33:02.539 --> 00:33:05.140
or it's that they can't get it done within a

00:33:05.140 --> 00:33:07.859
certain timeframe. And that's part of the problem,

00:33:08.079 --> 00:33:10.880
right, is that military ballots have to be done

00:33:10.880 --> 00:33:16.279
very, very by the book, very efficiently. In

00:33:16.279 --> 00:33:19.640
the mail, by a certain point in time, I was an

00:33:19.640 --> 00:33:22.000
FVAP representative while I was in the service.

00:33:22.039 --> 00:33:24.460
I helped people get registered and actually vote

00:33:24.460 --> 00:33:30.099
in November of 2018. I know the drill. It's not

00:33:30.099 --> 00:33:34.460
easy. I think one of the things that pissed me

00:33:34.460 --> 00:33:39.400
off is, and this is no secret, our country treats

00:33:39.400 --> 00:33:42.440
its veterans like absolute shit. We don't fund

00:33:42.440 --> 00:33:47.200
the VA like it should be. provide the post -service

00:33:47.200 --> 00:33:51.079
care that we should. And this is just one more

00:33:51.079 --> 00:33:54.160
fucking thing. You know, oh, you served your

00:33:54.160 --> 00:33:56.599
country, you, you know, risked your life, or

00:33:56.599 --> 00:34:00.039
you have, you put your body on the line, you

00:34:00.039 --> 00:34:02.380
got injured, whatever. Maybe you have been, maybe

00:34:02.380 --> 00:34:04.180
you've lost a limb, maybe something has happened

00:34:04.180 --> 00:34:06.359
to you. Well, you know, I think if your service,

00:34:06.440 --> 00:34:08.739
fuck you, we're going to strip away your right

00:34:08.739 --> 00:34:12.389
to vote, essentially. And like, The fact that

00:34:12.389 --> 00:34:15.829
we have the ability to vote is in and of itself

00:34:15.829 --> 00:34:17.949
a huge privilege because they didn't always have

00:34:17.949 --> 00:34:20.849
that, right? This wasn't always like, I believe

00:34:20.849 --> 00:34:23.369
the first time that veterans were able to vote,

00:34:23.510 --> 00:34:26.670
and I may need to go back and edit this. If I'm

00:34:26.670 --> 00:34:29.309
wrong, you will hear my voice right now saying

00:34:29.309 --> 00:34:33.829
past Adrian was wrong. But I believe the first

00:34:33.829 --> 00:34:36.329
time that veterans, or excuse me, that military

00:34:36.329 --> 00:34:38.510
service members were able to vote was when Lincoln

00:34:38.510 --> 00:34:42.179
was elected during his second term. Now, or for

00:34:42.179 --> 00:34:44.719
his second term. Okay, so I wasn't wrong, but

00:34:44.719 --> 00:34:48.320
the concept of absentee voting was in its infancy

00:34:48.320 --> 00:34:51.519
in 1862. It was the first time that they argued

00:34:51.519 --> 00:34:53.900
for it. There were a couple of states that allowed

00:34:53.900 --> 00:34:57.800
it to become law, specifically so that soldiers

00:34:57.800 --> 00:35:00.139
fighting for the Union could vote while they

00:35:00.139 --> 00:35:03.000
were in service, but it wasn't fully expanded

00:35:03.000 --> 00:35:07.099
until the 1900s. So there you go. Now we're facing

00:35:07.099 --> 00:35:10.099
the possibility that That won't be counted at

00:35:10.099 --> 00:35:12.639
all just because it's a contested election. And

00:35:12.639 --> 00:35:15.860
I urge anybody who's listening right now to make

00:35:15.860 --> 00:35:18.840
sure that when you are about to vote, check your

00:35:18.840 --> 00:35:22.340
registration, check it twice, and make sure that

00:35:22.340 --> 00:35:25.440
you are in the correct precinct, that you are

00:35:25.440 --> 00:35:28.559
voting for the correct ballot, that nothing,

00:35:28.719 --> 00:35:32.179
that you don't, please don't move in between.

00:35:33.300 --> 00:35:37.719
election election day and like april now because

00:35:37.719 --> 00:35:40.760
we we that's the bar now that that is our sliding

00:35:40.760 --> 00:35:45.860
scale anytime between here and now um that that

00:35:45.860 --> 00:35:49.119
all to say and i'm sorry i i guess what i'm getting

00:35:49.119 --> 00:35:53.320
at too is that with these military ballots and

00:35:53.320 --> 00:35:56.659
the ability to throw them out we are saying f

00:35:56.659 --> 00:36:00.170
you to our veterans um All the while, we have

00:36:00.170 --> 00:36:02.969
probably one of the most inept secretaries of

00:36:02.969 --> 00:36:07.590
defense that I have ever seen, at least in my

00:36:07.590 --> 00:36:11.929
time in the service. But just today, it was revealed

00:36:11.929 --> 00:36:15.869
that he may have yet again sent classified information

00:36:15.869 --> 00:36:19.110
over Signal. And while that in and of itself

00:36:19.110 --> 00:36:22.349
does not mean that he is an inept secretary of

00:36:22.349 --> 00:36:24.949
defense, it's just everything surrounding that.

00:36:25.369 --> 00:36:29.329
It's all wrapped up into one big bundle of we

00:36:29.329 --> 00:36:32.789
don't care about veterans unless they're voting

00:36:32.789 --> 00:36:36.389
for us. And even then, just hope and pray we

00:36:36.389 --> 00:36:40.489
don't cut the VA. Which, I mean, I've heard it

00:36:40.489 --> 00:36:42.219
before. its day before that, it's a possible

00:36:42.219 --> 00:36:45.739
target. I mean, I'm sure Doge would love to get

00:36:45.739 --> 00:36:48.119
its hands on that. Absolutely love to get its

00:36:48.119 --> 00:36:50.739
hands on that. But speaking of Doge, this is

00:36:50.739 --> 00:36:53.059
just kind of an aside that I just realized. I

00:36:53.059 --> 00:36:54.739
don't think I've heard anything about Elon Musk

00:36:54.739 --> 00:36:57.099
in the past few days, especially since Wisconsin.

00:36:57.869 --> 00:37:00.670
I think that says a lot. He kind of had a meltdown

00:37:00.670 --> 00:37:03.650
on Fox News the other day. They were asking him

00:37:03.650 --> 00:37:05.710
how it's going, and he just went silent for like

00:37:05.710 --> 00:37:10.389
five full seconds. And while I don't like to

00:37:10.389 --> 00:37:13.449
delight in somebody's suffering, this is one

00:37:13.449 --> 00:37:17.090
of those times where it's like, you deserve this.

00:37:17.429 --> 00:37:20.630
You deserve this feeling. It is schadenfreude.

00:37:20.909 --> 00:37:25.539
Like, it is so... just gut -wrenching every time

00:37:25.539 --> 00:37:29.179
you see what he wants to do and then you connect

00:37:29.179 --> 00:37:30.719
the dots and you're like wait a minute you're

00:37:30.719 --> 00:37:33.699
not even doing that he's he's a con man he's

00:37:33.699 --> 00:37:37.000
made a living convincing people specifically

00:37:37.000 --> 00:37:39.599
rich people that he can actually pull off what

00:37:39.599 --> 00:37:42.619
he says he can pull off when he doesn't it doesn't

00:37:42.619 --> 00:37:45.059
matter we've all moved on by that point doge

00:37:45.059 --> 00:37:47.699
has consistently been found to not actually be

00:37:48.190 --> 00:37:50.809
cutting near what they said they were going to

00:37:50.809 --> 00:37:52.769
be able to cut what was it like they're they're

00:37:52.769 --> 00:37:56.190
he said three trillion three trillion in the

00:37:56.190 --> 00:37:59.150
first year and they're they're barely they're

00:37:59.150 --> 00:38:01.710
barely hitting 50 billion right now i may be

00:38:01.710 --> 00:38:03.650
wrong about that but it's like it's not even

00:38:03.650 --> 00:38:07.909
close and the problem might not happen and the

00:38:07.909 --> 00:38:11.070
thing is like a good portion of that is cutting

00:38:11.070 --> 00:38:15.699
jobs and i've named me the last time that a successful

00:38:15.699 --> 00:38:18.239
republican presidency was built off the basis

00:38:18.239 --> 00:38:22.159
of cutting jobs where for the last 30 years they've

00:38:22.159 --> 00:38:26.059
been saying jobs jobs jobs we we have to hold

00:38:26.059 --> 00:38:28.179
their feet to the fire on this and i'm not just

00:38:28.179 --> 00:38:30.199
talking about the republican party but i'm i'm

00:38:30.199 --> 00:38:33.159
talking about people who should be part of a

00:38:33.159 --> 00:38:35.579
union but for some reason vote against that interest

00:38:35.579 --> 00:38:38.320
it's like dude your job is your job is not as

00:38:38.320 --> 00:38:40.400
safe as you think it is especially with the rise

00:38:40.400 --> 00:38:43.300
of ai with automation with the fact that it could

00:38:43.300 --> 00:38:46.190
just be cut at a moment's notice, with overseas

00:38:46.190 --> 00:38:49.929
people taking your job, with jobs coming back,

00:38:49.969 --> 00:38:53.150
and you not having the training or, frankly,

00:38:53.329 --> 00:38:56.510
the energy to be able to keep up that job. Like,

00:38:56.510 --> 00:38:59.329
let's say Trump is successful, and he's actually

00:38:59.329 --> 00:39:01.130
able to bring back manufacturing jobs and all

00:39:01.130 --> 00:39:03.309
these other things. You think these guys who

00:39:03.309 --> 00:39:04.869
are in their 50s and 60s are going to be able

00:39:04.869 --> 00:39:07.050
to be on that factory floor working that job?

00:39:07.909 --> 00:39:09.869
Probably not. Well, I can live off my pension.

00:39:09.929 --> 00:39:12.789
What pension? What 401k? The one that just took

00:39:12.789 --> 00:39:14.920
it. The bath the other day? Yeah, the one that

00:39:14.920 --> 00:39:25.400
just... Yeah, exactly. The toaster bath. I don't

00:39:25.400 --> 00:39:29.340
know how to move on from that one. So there was

00:39:29.340 --> 00:39:34.159
a protest this weekend. I'm just going to hard

00:39:34.159 --> 00:39:41.659
pivot. On the 19th of April, there was a 50 -51.

00:39:42.199 --> 00:39:46.360
protest in Raleigh. I went to it. It was a lot

00:39:46.360 --> 00:39:50.440
of marching, which I haven't marched in a good

00:39:50.440 --> 00:39:54.820
long time for a protest, so that was a good refresher

00:39:54.820 --> 00:39:57.699
for me. And it also coincided with the 250th

00:39:57.699 --> 00:40:00.179
anniversary of the Battle of Lexington and Concord,

00:40:00.300 --> 00:40:04.139
which was, I guess, I don't know if they planned

00:40:04.139 --> 00:40:06.059
it that way. Some people said that they did.

00:40:06.199 --> 00:40:08.179
I think it might have been a happy coincidence.

00:40:08.239 --> 00:40:11.119
Who knows? I think part of it was because they

00:40:11.119 --> 00:40:14.039
were concerned that on Easter Sunday or the day

00:40:14.039 --> 00:40:16.820
after Easter Sunday, Trump was going to try to

00:40:16.820 --> 00:40:19.800
execute martial law. Like that was the thing

00:40:19.800 --> 00:40:22.019
that was floating around there for a while, that

00:40:22.019 --> 00:40:26.800
he might be trying to go like uber fascist. So

00:40:26.800 --> 00:40:31.320
maybe this stopped it in a way. Who knows? All

00:40:31.320 --> 00:40:33.280
I can tell you is that there were thousands of

00:40:33.280 --> 00:40:36.039
people out there. I was a little bit worried

00:40:36.039 --> 00:40:37.380
that there weren't going to be as many people

00:40:37.380 --> 00:40:40.420
out there as on the 5th. Nope. There were just

00:40:40.420 --> 00:40:42.699
as many, if not more, people out there as the

00:40:42.699 --> 00:40:45.380
first time. And once again, we had millions of

00:40:45.380 --> 00:40:49.420
people all across the states protesting one thing.

00:40:49.619 --> 00:40:51.639
Even though the signs would tell you different.

00:40:51.940 --> 00:40:54.659
The signs were all over the place. But everybody

00:40:54.659 --> 00:40:58.820
was there because... We are back to anti -administration

00:40:58.820 --> 00:41:01.619
party, baby. We're going all the way back to

00:41:01.619 --> 00:41:06.239
the late 1700s, the early 1800s. You're either

00:41:06.239 --> 00:41:08.860
administration, pro -administration, or anti

00:41:08.860 --> 00:41:11.699
-administration. What's old is new. What's old

00:41:11.699 --> 00:41:15.519
is new. We are rewinding the clock 250 years,

00:41:15.599 --> 00:41:20.800
it seems. But it is to promote this unity that

00:41:20.800 --> 00:41:23.500
like, hey, they were even saying at the protest.

00:41:24.059 --> 00:41:25.940
we've got leftists out here. We've got socialists

00:41:25.940 --> 00:41:28.019
out here. We've got communists out here. We've

00:41:28.019 --> 00:41:31.440
got moderate Democrats out here. We've got, he

00:41:31.440 --> 00:41:35.159
said, we've got anarchists out here. And I heard

00:41:35.159 --> 00:41:40.519
like two people way over go. So, I mean, they

00:41:40.519 --> 00:41:43.500
do, they do have anarchists out here, I guess.

00:41:43.619 --> 00:41:46.639
Yeah, I guess so. But it is that shared, that

00:41:46.639 --> 00:41:49.500
shared struggle that, Hey, we might not agree

00:41:49.500 --> 00:41:51.780
on everything, even though we're, a lot of us

00:41:51.780 --> 00:41:55.280
are on the left. We, still share the struggle

00:41:55.280 --> 00:41:59.199
against this authoritarianism against this this

00:41:59.199 --> 00:42:01.039
administration and what they're trying to do

00:42:01.039 --> 00:42:06.000
i mean and i think it is interesting how we are

00:42:06.000 --> 00:42:09.880
at kind of the 250th anniversary like a major

00:42:09.880 --> 00:42:12.699
event and whatnot i i have found myself i don't

00:42:12.699 --> 00:42:14.320
know if this has been on i don't think this has

00:42:14.320 --> 00:42:16.260
been on purpose just kind of subconsciously kind

00:42:16.260 --> 00:42:19.400
of Going back here in recent days and looking

00:42:19.400 --> 00:42:22.559
at, you know, old stories from the founding of

00:42:22.559 --> 00:42:25.800
the country and looking at, you know, things

00:42:25.800 --> 00:42:28.400
that people have, that people were talking about

00:42:28.400 --> 00:42:31.119
and referencing and whatnot. I think it's interesting

00:42:31.119 --> 00:42:33.679
going back to, you know, a bunch of like these

00:42:33.679 --> 00:42:36.679
old like quotes and old, you know, the beginnings

00:42:36.679 --> 00:42:38.920
of our country, the things that were said and

00:42:38.920 --> 00:42:41.719
references that we still see today. There's one

00:42:41.719 --> 00:42:43.179
that's been standing out to me here recently,

00:42:43.280 --> 00:42:46.440
and it's mainly, I think, because I saw a picture

00:42:46.440 --> 00:42:50.380
of this. It's a church in Boston. It's the Old

00:42:50.380 --> 00:42:54.000
North Church. And there's a quote from Paul Revere

00:42:54.000 --> 00:42:56.860
just being displayed, I guess, from some sort

00:42:56.860 --> 00:43:04.039
of projector or whatever. It says, And again,

00:43:04.139 --> 00:43:08.489
what's old is new. We are in a dangerous time.

00:43:08.630 --> 00:43:11.690
We really are. Yeah. We are in, you know, this

00:43:11.690 --> 00:43:13.730
is very much kind of, I don't know if a powder

00:43:13.730 --> 00:43:16.489
keg is the right word for it, but a right phrase.

00:43:16.650 --> 00:43:18.989
Maybe, maybe it is. I think that's a perfect

00:43:18.989 --> 00:43:21.449
description of what we're currently sitting in.

00:43:21.489 --> 00:43:24.269
Yeah. We are very much on the precipice of something,

00:43:24.389 --> 00:43:27.510
you know, and there is a good chance that if

00:43:27.510 --> 00:43:30.309
we don't use our voice, we don't continue to

00:43:30.309 --> 00:43:33.170
speak out. If we don't continue to call things

00:43:33.170 --> 00:43:37.079
out that we will, we will just, fully go forth

00:43:37.079 --> 00:43:40.960
into a tyranny. If we don't hold people accountable,

00:43:41.159 --> 00:43:45.840
well then, we did not keep our democracy. Sorry,

00:43:45.860 --> 00:43:49.739
Ben. When the president is able to hold people

00:43:49.739 --> 00:43:53.380
in an El Salvadoran prison with impunity after

00:43:53.380 --> 00:43:57.539
the Supreme Court, the highest court of law in

00:43:57.539 --> 00:44:00.079
the land, says that you must bring somebody back,

00:44:00.300 --> 00:44:02.539
and then Congress is unwilling to do anything

00:44:02.539 --> 00:44:05.300
to stop the president, even when it is illegal.

00:44:05.639 --> 00:44:08.820
We are at a crisis. This is not sugarcoating

00:44:08.820 --> 00:44:12.539
it. This is what the Founding Fathers were talking

00:44:12.539 --> 00:44:16.460
about when they wrote in the Federalist Papers

00:44:16.460 --> 00:44:18.219
why it was so important to have a separation

00:44:18.219 --> 00:44:20.840
of power. Why it was so important to establish

00:44:20.840 --> 00:44:24.400
three separate but co -equal branches of government.

00:44:24.719 --> 00:44:28.320
And we have on our hands right now a guy who

00:44:28.320 --> 00:44:30.840
was voted into office on a populist platform.

00:44:31.420 --> 00:44:33.199
that is currently doing everything in his power

00:44:33.199 --> 00:44:36.860
to, A, enrich himself, B, enrich his friends,

00:44:36.980 --> 00:44:40.519
and C, completely avoid any consequences, both

00:44:40.519 --> 00:44:44.320
legal and societal. Like, we do not have many

00:44:44.320 --> 00:44:49.000
options left. If the courts fail, if the police

00:44:49.000 --> 00:44:52.280
won't help us, if Congress won't help us, where

00:44:52.280 --> 00:44:55.820
do we go from here? And I'm not pulling that

00:44:55.820 --> 00:44:59.199
thread anymore. Many people online have already

00:44:59.199 --> 00:45:02.500
said how they feel. what the next step is, I

00:45:02.500 --> 00:45:04.599
don't even have to say it. If you're listening,

00:45:04.760 --> 00:45:07.280
you already know what I'm talking about. I will

00:45:07.280 --> 00:45:10.539
say, one thing that is very much worrying me

00:45:10.539 --> 00:45:13.780
is, you know, I think we may have mentioned this

00:45:13.780 --> 00:45:15.400
in a previous episode, or maybe this was just

00:45:15.400 --> 00:45:17.320
a conversation you and I were having, but one

00:45:17.320 --> 00:45:19.440
thing that the Republican Party is doing, or

00:45:19.440 --> 00:45:21.659
at least, not the Republican Party, but people

00:45:21.659 --> 00:45:24.159
in Trump's orbit, people who obviously speak

00:45:24.159 --> 00:45:26.760
for the administration, if not in an official

00:45:26.760 --> 00:45:29.980
capacity, then at least in a social, cultural,

00:45:30.849 --> 00:45:33.110
capacity they're saying stuff they're trying

00:45:33.110 --> 00:45:35.170
to lay the groundwork for like a third term which

00:45:35.170 --> 00:45:37.809
is again unconstitutional but one thing that

00:45:37.809 --> 00:45:41.389
i saw the other day that is actually kind of

00:45:41.389 --> 00:45:46.349
fucking chilling is um trump has a counter -terrorism

00:45:46.349 --> 00:45:49.289
czar a guy by the name of sebastian gorka who

00:45:49.289 --> 00:45:51.710
is about as far right as you can get and it's

00:45:51.710 --> 00:45:55.929
absolutely batshit insane right but he kind of

00:45:55.929 --> 00:45:59.019
take this back to uh what we were saying a little

00:45:59.019 --> 00:46:01.800
bit earlier about uh kilmar prego garcia obviously

00:46:01.800 --> 00:46:04.340
what's going on with garcia is fucked up and

00:46:04.340 --> 00:46:07.539
it is un -american and unconstitutional everyone

00:46:07.539 --> 00:46:10.019
in this country and this isn't me saying this

00:46:10.019 --> 00:46:11.980
as a democrat and what i believe should happen

00:46:11.980 --> 00:46:13.780
this is literally saying what the fucking constitution

00:46:13.780 --> 00:46:16.460
says literally everyone who is in this country

00:46:16.460 --> 00:46:19.400
citizen or not in the process of becoming a citizen

00:46:19.400 --> 00:46:23.309
whatever everyone who is in these borders has

00:46:23.309 --> 00:46:25.269
the right to due process, right? That's just

00:46:25.269 --> 00:46:28.309
a fact. That's how it is. Right. Sebastian Gorka,

00:46:28.349 --> 00:46:30.929
again, Trump's counterterrorism czar, said the

00:46:30.929 --> 00:46:34.670
other day that people who support Gilmar Abrego

00:46:34.670 --> 00:46:39.170
Garcia and who say that he deserves due process,

00:46:39.510 --> 00:46:44.329
that really anyone who is being illegally, unjustly,

00:46:44.369 --> 00:46:46.650
unconstitutionally sent to this fucking concentration

00:46:46.650 --> 00:46:49.610
camp, because that's what CCAP fucking is, anyone

00:46:49.610 --> 00:46:52.340
who is speaking out against these people, being

00:46:52.340 --> 00:46:54.679
sent there, could be charged or should be charged

00:46:54.679 --> 00:46:57.539
with aiding and abetting and should be considered

00:46:57.539 --> 00:47:00.659
terrorists themselves. So literally, if you are

00:47:00.659 --> 00:47:04.659
someone who has a problem with someone like Trump

00:47:04.659 --> 00:47:08.380
wiping his ass with the Constitution and messing

00:47:08.380 --> 00:47:12.579
with the idea of due process, then you, my friend,

00:47:12.679 --> 00:47:15.440
in the eyes of Sebastian Gorka, or a fucking

00:47:15.440 --> 00:47:19.000
terrorist. Right. That is terrifying. Because

00:47:19.000 --> 00:47:21.519
again, this may not be Trump himself saying it,

00:47:21.579 --> 00:47:23.920
but this is a guy who obviously is a mouthpiece

00:47:23.920 --> 00:47:27.000
of some kind for the administration. And this

00:47:27.000 --> 00:47:29.199
is what I've talked about before. Like, going

00:47:29.199 --> 00:47:32.239
after Trump does nothing anymore. Trump at this

00:47:32.239 --> 00:47:35.239
point should just be thought of as a figurehead,

00:47:35.260 --> 00:47:38.400
rhetorically. Because going after him does nothing.

00:47:38.539 --> 00:47:42.900
It actually strengthens his popularity. You take

00:47:42.900 --> 00:47:45.920
off... The cogs. Because if the cogs don't work,

00:47:45.960 --> 00:47:49.039
the clock doesn't run, right? It's stop attacking

00:47:49.039 --> 00:47:51.199
him, start attacking the people who are making

00:47:51.199 --> 00:47:53.539
these insane claims and asking for them to be,

00:47:53.559 --> 00:47:57.980
A, removed, B, completely ostracized from society.

00:47:59.019 --> 00:48:03.619
We do not have room for this kind of rhetoric

00:48:03.619 --> 00:48:06.800
where people are able to say, if you believe

00:48:06.800 --> 00:48:10.059
a certain thing, just believe. Not even like,

00:48:10.199 --> 00:48:13.619
if you act upon something. Just if you believe

00:48:13.619 --> 00:48:15.900
whatever the administration doesn't want you

00:48:15.900 --> 00:48:18.960
to believe, you are a terrorist. I mean, this

00:48:18.960 --> 00:48:23.159
is not to not to fall into the trap of the right,

00:48:23.179 --> 00:48:26.099
but this is kind of getting into 1984 territory

00:48:26.099 --> 00:48:29.179
where if the party doesn't want you to to speak

00:48:29.179 --> 00:48:31.480
on something, you you can be disappeared. You

00:48:31.480 --> 00:48:33.500
can be black bagged and sent to El Salvador now.

00:48:33.599 --> 00:48:37.980
Like what? Because Trump is on camera. talking

00:48:37.980 --> 00:48:39.940
about how we're going after homegrowns next.

00:48:40.260 --> 00:48:42.599
And if homegrowns means anybody who was born

00:48:42.599 --> 00:48:44.460
in this country, and if terrorist means anybody

00:48:44.460 --> 00:48:46.900
who disagrees with the administration, that means

00:48:46.900 --> 00:48:50.820
you, that means you, the person listening to

00:48:50.820 --> 00:48:53.980
this right now, you are potentially in the crosshairs.

00:48:54.079 --> 00:48:58.059
That's not an exaggeration. That's not, that's

00:48:58.059 --> 00:49:01.599
not like pulling a thread that isn't there. That's

00:49:01.599 --> 00:49:09.869
what they said from their own mouths. And if

00:49:09.869 --> 00:49:11.590
you don't think that this is something that's

00:49:11.590 --> 00:49:14.730
not possible, I mean, not to rehash things that

00:49:14.730 --> 00:49:18.389
I see on blue sky, but read the poem. You know,

00:49:18.429 --> 00:49:20.570
the one I'm talking about first, they came for

00:49:20.570 --> 00:49:23.050
the, you know, the thing in the word, in the

00:49:23.050 --> 00:49:24.829
words of our former president, Joe Biden, you

00:49:24.829 --> 00:49:27.650
know, the, you know, the thing we are at that

00:49:27.650 --> 00:49:29.449
point where if you're not speaking up for these

00:49:29.449 --> 00:49:33.070
people, you are next, maybe not next time. But

00:49:33.070 --> 00:49:35.269
down the line, you are. Anybody who's not part

00:49:35.269 --> 00:49:38.469
of the in -group will be part of the ex -group.

00:49:38.750 --> 00:49:42.630
This is how fascism works. It is a process. It

00:49:42.630 --> 00:49:45.329
starts slow and it moves really, really fast

00:49:45.329 --> 00:49:47.969
at the end and burns itself out. But there's

00:49:47.969 --> 00:49:51.510
a lot of death and destruction in its wake. And

00:49:51.510 --> 00:49:55.349
we cannot let it happen at all. We cannot let

00:49:55.349 --> 00:49:58.449
this experiment play out because it will be devastation.

00:49:58.719 --> 00:50:01.099
And it will be it probably would be the end of

00:50:01.099 --> 00:50:03.400
our country as we know it, because it certainly

00:50:03.400 --> 00:50:06.400
was for Germany. I think no matter what happens,

00:50:06.519 --> 00:50:09.900
we managed to get through this and still have

00:50:09.900 --> 00:50:13.880
a country, even if we still have a. democracy

00:50:13.880 --> 00:50:17.860
democratic country there will be scars from this

00:50:17.860 --> 00:50:20.880
for decades and centuries to come we will be

00:50:20.880 --> 00:50:23.900
dealing with these effects on a national level

00:50:23.900 --> 00:50:27.440
on a local level and on a global level yeah if

00:50:27.440 --> 00:50:30.039
not just from the misinformation you know but

00:50:30.039 --> 00:50:32.280
from the policies that they're setting forward

00:50:32.280 --> 00:50:35.619
now absolutely that to say we have we do need

00:50:35.619 --> 00:50:37.940
to end this on a somewhat lighter note i feel

00:50:37.940 --> 00:50:40.300
like we've been very dour the last few episodes

00:50:40.300 --> 00:50:43.539
right at the end I don't always want to end it

00:50:43.539 --> 00:50:47.340
that way. Let me ask you this. It's just a fun

00:50:47.340 --> 00:50:49.599
little thing. How about that? Sure, let's have

00:50:49.599 --> 00:50:50.579
some fun. Unless you have something specific.

00:50:51.000 --> 00:50:54.300
No. Let me ask you this. Who is your favorite

00:50:54.300 --> 00:50:57.500
fictional president? It could be TV, movies,

00:50:57.619 --> 00:51:02.360
books, whatever. Fictional president. Yes. You

00:51:02.360 --> 00:51:06.579
know what? The guy, the president from Independence

00:51:06.579 --> 00:51:13.010
Day. Yes. Cause you know what, what more can

00:51:13.010 --> 00:51:15.130
you ask of a president when dealing with aliens?

00:51:15.429 --> 00:51:17.590
He's got to get in the jet and blow them up.

00:51:17.650 --> 00:51:19.030
Yeah. I was going to say, he's got to get in

00:51:19.030 --> 00:51:22.489
that jet, man. He's got to, um, I don't know.

00:51:22.530 --> 00:51:25.929
I love, I love kitschy movies too. I really enjoyed

00:51:25.929 --> 00:51:28.989
air force one as like a Rambo style, you know,

00:51:28.989 --> 00:51:33.190
like this is so, so unrealistic, you know, and

00:51:33.190 --> 00:51:35.829
it's, it's, it's really funny when I start enjoying

00:51:35.829 --> 00:51:39.710
the parts with like his cabinet. more than the

00:51:39.710 --> 00:51:42.590
action scenes where i'm just like oh crap they're

00:51:42.590 --> 00:51:45.489
they're trying to like coup him right now basically

00:51:45.489 --> 00:51:47.289
they're they're trying to like take power away

00:51:47.289 --> 00:51:49.829
from him uh they don't even know if he's if he's

00:51:49.829 --> 00:51:51.750
dead or they don't know what happened to him

00:51:51.750 --> 00:51:53.510
up on the plane this is actually interesting

00:51:53.510 --> 00:51:55.570
and then it cuts right back to the action i'm

00:51:55.570 --> 00:51:57.530
just like oh i guess we'll have to resolve that

00:51:57.530 --> 00:52:01.510
like 15 minutes from now oh god i was interested

00:52:01.510 --> 00:52:04.889
in that why'd you go away i'm not gonna lie i

00:52:04.889 --> 00:52:09.159
recently re -watched uh the phantom menace And

00:52:09.159 --> 00:52:11.159
they were talking about all the trade stuff.

00:52:11.239 --> 00:52:15.079
I'm like, ooh, actually, this is kind of interesting

00:52:15.079 --> 00:52:17.780
to listen to. Oh my god, George Lucas was a genius.

00:52:20.699 --> 00:52:23.199
Turns out I did want to watch politics in my

00:52:23.199 --> 00:52:29.159
Star Wars. I guess so for me, at least. And this

00:52:29.159 --> 00:52:33.469
is about to be the most... typical bullshit no

00:52:33.469 --> 00:52:38.010
just just say it don't you answer you can't is

00:52:38.010 --> 00:52:40.889
bartlett from the west wing i knew you were gonna

00:52:40.889 --> 00:52:43.690
say i knew you were gonna say bartlett what did

00:52:43.690 --> 00:52:47.250
bartlett do what did he do for the country look

00:52:47.250 --> 00:52:50.150
is that necessarily what he did for the country

00:52:50.150 --> 00:52:54.250
nah uh so i mean i think for me and i mean i

00:52:54.250 --> 00:52:57.159
watched the whole show through god i don't even

00:52:57.159 --> 00:53:00.019
know how many times and i remember like watching

00:53:00.019 --> 00:53:01.800
it the first couple times we're like oh yeah

00:53:01.800 --> 00:53:03.880
i kind of like this guy you know cool you know

00:53:03.880 --> 00:53:07.960
you know blah blah but watching it now i'm just

00:53:07.960 --> 00:53:10.219
like oh good god if we could only have like a

00:53:10.219 --> 00:53:14.179
fraction of that yeah like unfortunately it's

00:53:14.179 --> 00:53:18.659
fiction very much so and um what one thing that

00:53:18.659 --> 00:53:21.840
i i try to watch the west wing and i don't think

00:53:21.840 --> 00:53:26.000
i can get over it's like pre 9 -11 post bill

00:53:26.000 --> 00:53:29.219
clinton 90s optimism i don't think i can do it

00:53:29.219 --> 00:53:32.360
like it's i need a little bit of cynicism in

00:53:32.360 --> 00:53:35.480
my political shows and that that is fair that's

00:53:35.480 --> 00:53:38.239
completely fair i will say is very much like

00:53:38.239 --> 00:53:42.900
aaron sorkin like just really went in on the

00:53:42.900 --> 00:53:46.719
saccharine kind of element of things like it

00:53:46.719 --> 00:53:50.099
is like you said very optimistic too optimistic

00:53:50.099 --> 00:53:53.570
at times but some Honestly, sometimes, especially

00:53:53.570 --> 00:53:55.309
with everything going on, that's just what you

00:53:55.309 --> 00:53:59.349
fucking need. No, I'm definitely not knocking

00:53:59.349 --> 00:54:03.170
anybody who enjoys it. It's just, for me, I'm

00:54:03.170 --> 00:54:05.369
kind of like, I just feel like this would never

00:54:05.369 --> 00:54:10.010
happen. That's why your favorite official president

00:54:10.010 --> 00:54:11.869
is actually Frank Underwood from House of Cards.

00:54:12.210 --> 00:54:15.230
You know, I like Frank Underwood in the way that

00:54:15.230 --> 00:54:19.659
I like Andrew Jackson. where he's such he's such

00:54:19.659 --> 00:54:22.260
a piece of shit that it's kind of fun to watch

00:54:22.260 --> 00:54:25.000
but then you're like oh actually no that's he's

00:54:25.000 --> 00:54:27.139
he's like a really bad guy but like i can't look

00:54:27.139 --> 00:54:30.900
away it's like a car crash but okay actual real

00:54:30.900 --> 00:54:34.119
answer because i i i stalled for myself for a

00:54:34.119 --> 00:54:36.639
moment to think about it but my real answer is

00:54:36.639 --> 00:54:39.039
um i can't remember his name right now but the

00:54:39.039 --> 00:54:41.440
president from designated survivor who's played

00:54:41.440 --> 00:54:44.780
by keifer southern tom kirkman kirkman yeah it

00:54:44.780 --> 00:54:47.260
was like because he's not a democrat he's not

00:54:47.260 --> 00:54:50.420
a republican he's very in its own way it's a

00:54:50.420 --> 00:54:54.539
little bit optimistic um spoilers for this the

00:54:54.539 --> 00:54:57.619
tv show but he wins re -election against all

00:54:57.619 --> 00:55:00.960
odds and like That's about as optimistic as that

00:55:00.960 --> 00:55:05.059
show gets. But it's a fun show. You know, he's

00:55:05.059 --> 00:55:09.519
basically just a smart -ish guy that slowly learns

00:55:09.519 --> 00:55:12.619
how to become sort of ruthless as a president,

00:55:12.699 --> 00:55:14.940
but also not too ruthless. Like, he's really

00:55:14.940 --> 00:55:17.719
the balance of power. I like that. I like the

00:55:17.719 --> 00:55:20.260
way that they displayed that. Like, he's not

00:55:20.260 --> 00:55:23.900
perfect. And I think that bringing it down to

00:55:23.900 --> 00:55:27.579
earth, but not letting it settle too hard. is

00:55:27.579 --> 00:55:30.360
the right amount of realism that I like in a

00:55:30.360 --> 00:55:32.500
TV show. But that's a good question. I like that

00:55:32.500 --> 00:55:34.800
question to end it off. Yeah, just something

00:55:34.800 --> 00:55:36.579
to kind of lighten the mood a little bit there.

00:55:36.739 --> 00:55:39.139
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