Welcome to the Nonviolent Jesus Podcast. I'm
John, Father John Deere, and today I'm speaking
with Amy Brooks Paradise of GreenFaith .org.
This is a project of BeatitudeCenter .org, where
you can find many other podcasts and regular
Zoom programs on the nonviolence of Jesus and
practicing nonviolence and working for a more
just, more nonviolent world. So let's begin with
a little prayer as we always do here. I just
invite you, wherever you are, just to take a
deep breath and to relax and to recenter yourself.
And together let's enter into the presence of
the God of peace who loves you personally, infinitely,
in everyone, everywhere, and all of creation.
And we welcome the nonviolent Jesus here. And
take a moment to ask for whatever blessings you
need to do God's will and be a peacemaker. God
of peace, thank you for all the blessings of
life, love, creation, and peace. Be with us now
as we reflect together on your call to be peacemakers,
to follow the nonviolent Jesus and work for a
more nonviolent, more just world. Bless us, inspire
us, disarm us, strengthen us, and send us out
to do your will, that we might do our part to
protect all of creation. and make peace with
all humanity, and that is to end war, poverty,
racism, greed, injustice, nuclear weapons, and
all the various kinds of environmental destruction,
that we might be the people you created us to
be, your holy peacemakers, and welcome your reign
of universal love, nonviolence, and peace on
earth. In Jesus' name, amen. Well, it's a blessing
today to welcome Reverend Amy Brooks Paradise
of Green Faith. Amy is a Unitarian Universalist
minister serving as the U .S. organizing coordinator
for greenfaith .org. She previously served as
the education director for the Regional AIDS
Interfaith Network in Charlotte, North Carolina,
where she lives, and has also served as the pastor
for a UU fellowship in Lake Norman, North Carolina.
She lives with her partner and daughter and was
going to tell us about Green Faith, an ecumenical
global grassroots network working to protect
creation. Amy, welcome to the Nonviolent Jesus
Podcast. Oh, thank you so much, John. Hi, everybody.
So glad to be here. I'm delighted, really, and
honored to be here with all of you. Hey, Amy,
I just really recently learned about greenfaith
.org, so I thought we could just jump right into
it and ask you to tell us all about it. What
is green faith? Okay, so Green Faith is actually
a multi -faith organization that has a global
reach. We are made up of small teams of people,
organizers doing work in key countries all around
the world. So we have a team here in the United
States, but we have teams in a variety of African
countries, also in Brazil, Japan, Indonesia,
Germany, and... France, and I think we may be
starting one in South Korea now too. So we're
scattered around the world, but we do have a
small but mighty team here in the United States
with whom I work. And, you know, at the heart
of our work, it's really to engage people of
faith to take public action for climate justice.
So this is more than praying or recycling or
planting a garden, although those are all really
important. We really want to work in the public
square. And we also want, because we are a justice
-focused organization, we want to center the
stories and the people who are most impacted
by our changing climate. And we do that with
them by relying on the teachings of our faith
traditions to basically challenge our society
to do better. Sometimes I just shake my head
and think, you know, why is it okay to continue
burning fossil fuels when they're damaging to
life? People are getting sick. People are dying.
Why should more of these destructive industries
be centered in poor and under -resourced communities?
It's really only by the grace of God that we
have what we do have. And why should people who
already have so little be... sort of demonized
for having so little, and people who have so
much are thought to be amazing. I'm pretty sure
it says something in the Bible about money, doesn't
it? Yes. Anyway, by focusing on the moral teachings
of our many faith traditions, and one of the
things I've learned through this work is that
So many of these teachings are very similar when
it comes to how we're supposed to treat each
other and how we're supposed to treat the earth.
And so we want to encourage people to live their
faith and to embrace their own God -given agency
to get involved and even invite people who may
not have thought about it before to consider
how they might make different choices, how they
might get involved. And I would say that that
even includes the businesses and financial leaders.
and politicians, all of whom make decisions that
affect thousands of people's lives every day.
So we get invited into communities and we start
working with folks to figure out what is the
work that needs to be done in your community?
What are the stories that are being told? What
are the needs? And where can we begin to build
some energy and some power to put pressure to
change what's happening? Well, it's very exciting,
and that's why I wanted to invite you to speak
here on this podcast. When I looked at your website,
greenfaith .org, you have pictures of, as you
say, ecumenical and really interfaith groups
from all over the world, but locally engaged,
really trying to do something different and working
for climate justice. And that gives me hope.
So tell me about some of the projects around
the world that some green faith groups are involved
in. So we have groups working on a variety of
different things. In Japan and Indonesia, there's
a lot of work being done trying to get the federal
governments to stop producing coal. There's a
lot of coal that's being used in those countries.
It's often funded by banks, both in Japan and
here in the United States, these fossil fuel
endeavors. And so they're working both at the
government level and at the local level trying
to encourage. a transition away from such a dirty
fossil fuel energy. In Indonesia, there's work
being done to stop deforestation. I think we
all have heard about the, and seen pictures,
you know, on Facebook. You just go through and
you can start seeing pictures of orangutans and
things like that. The animals that are being
displaced by cutting down all of the forests
for a variety of things like big agribusiness
or to lay a pipeline or to dig coal. They're
working a lot on those things. When we talk about
trees, we also move very quickly to Brazil, where
the Amazon rainforest is continually under siege.
to chop down the trees and to get the land to
use for something else. So there's been a lot
of work done there with local fishermen and local
land farmers and people who are living in indigenous
communities to all say, we want to do this differently.
So they tell the story. Julia, one of our organizers
there, produces some really beautiful videos.
If you get on our Facebook or YouTube channel,
you can probably find some of them. Some of them
are important. but I think they have subtitles
where they tell the stories of what's happening.
And, you know, they've again gone to the federal
government and talked about, you know, to the
Minister of Agriculture about, you know, this
needs to not happen and here's why. It might
be a short -term gain to make some money, but
the long -term impact on people's lives and the
viability and the sustainability of our environments
and our lives are at stake. Tell us about your
work here in the U .S. I know that you said you're
small but mighty. I just want to say one more
thing. I didn't say anything about Africa. And
I wanted to mention them because this is a particularly
great example. For several years, we were fighting
the East African crude oil pipeline. And the
East African crude oil pipeline is funded by
big banks, many of them in the United States.
And the energy producer is a French company.
So the French team. went to Total Energy, that's
the name of the company, and protested. In East
Africa, they were also protesting. And then here,
right in Charlotte, North Carolina, we were protesting
at the Bank of America because they fund Total
Energy. So you can start to see how the connectivity
happens between these things. Something that's
going on in a rural community in Tanzania is
being funded by... a bank in the united states
maybe the bank that you bank at and so trying
to make those really clear connections about
how our money and what we do with our resources
may actually impact somebody else's life and
sometimes in really negative ways so here in
the us we've had a variety of um different campaigns.
One of the campaigns we worked on for quite a
while was climate finance, where we were pressuring
banks and retirement investment companies like
BlackRock and Vanguard to take their money out
of fossil fuels. And so when you start to follow
your money trail, like where is your money invested?
What do they do with the money that you have
in that little savings account for your grandchild's
college? We all think we're doing a good thing
and we all have our hearts in the right place.
And then you figure out, gosh, my savings is
actually maybe worse than driving an SUV in terms
of the impact that it has on the environment.
So we did a lot of climate finance work for a
while. Currently, we are engaged in a campaign
in New Jersey, the Climate Superfund Act, which
I think is being renamed the New Jersey Affordability
Act. And the focus of this legislation, and there's
similar legislation in California, which we've
been paying attention to and some folks have
been working on, is to make sure that the climate
disasters that are happening, and they are happening
in New Jersey. If you live in New Jersey, I didn't
know this, there's so much flooding that happens
in New Jersey, that you as a taxpayer aren't
going to have to pay for those damages. We are
seeking to make the folks who are causing the
damages to be. accountable. And when I say folks,
I'm not talking about individual people per se,
but companies that are making decisions that
are causing these problems or are giving the
funding that caused these problems. So there's
been a lot of energy for that. Right now, I think
we're almost up to 150 congregations in New Jersey
that have signed on to this act, which is super
exciting. We just finished up last year the project
called Face for Climate Justice Sunday, where
we joined with a bunch of different organizations
around the country to really push for the transition
to clean energy. And we called it Sunday because
solar energy is one of the big renewable energies
that is free and available everywhere if we just
know how to use it well. So we did a lot of work
with congregations, but other organizations also
did work with in their communities to really
talk about how important it would be to transition
to solar and that it's actually cheaper than
fossil fuels now. And it does less damage in
terms of polluting our air. And it's cheaper
in terms of, you know, you don't have to lay
pipelines. There are a lot of things about it
that are great. I won't pretend that it's perfect.
Everything we do has an impact. But in terms
of being a renewable resource, you can use that
solar panel over and over again. It's all overwhelming,
Amy. And so I'd like to ask you, just from your
perspective and working on this full time and
being in touch with folks around the U .S. and
the world, to give us your perspective. on catastrophic
climate change and what is happening right now
in 2026 and in the next few years, both in the
U .S. and globally. Just review a few of the
basics for everybody. Okay, so I actually thought
about this a lot. And I have to say that, you
know, you started out talking about it being
overwhelming, and it is. So I'm going to start
with the overwhelm and hopefully move to the
hopeful. So we'll get there. Does that make sense?
Sure. Okay. So first of all, I mean, you know,
The question is, what's happening? I think we
can all see what's happening. We all can see
that natural disasters are bigger. They're more
catastrophic. They're happening more often. And
we also know that no place is immune. I mean,
I live in Charlotte, which is only about an hour
east of Western North Carolina. And entire towns
there were destroyed. And even small cities like
Asheville were incapacitated for months because
of Hurricane Helene. And incidentally, Asheville
was considered one of the best places in the
U .S. to avoid the worst impacts from climate
change. So, you know, it's happening, it's happening
more often, and it's happening everywhere. I
think it's really important to understand the
context. Scientifically, it has been proven that
our climate is getting warmer and that our continued
consumption of fossil fuels is the primary driver
of this warming. If you share this understanding,
the way forward is quite clear. Reduce the usage
of fossil fuels and transition as quickly as
possible to renewable energy. But if we don't
understand what climate change is, or if we don't
believe it is happening, or we don't agree that
it's human -caused, it makes it really difficult.
to deal with the situation effectively. And I
think, unfortunately, that's what's happened
in the United States. We once shared a very common
understanding, and then a lot of information
started getting dispersed at first at the hands
of the fossil fuel companies. And this is documented.
You can look up documentaries on this. Fossil
fuel companies started doing a disinformation
campaign. And unfortunately, it became politicized.
And now we have politicians also continuing that.
disinformation campaign. And it's not just the
storms and the flooding. These impacts are upsetting
livelihoods, are upsetting food security. It's
causing people to get displaced, which leads
to migration. And this puts stress on the people
who are moving, but also the communities that
seek to welcome the immigrants or in too many
cases, not welcome the immigrants. Health is
another huge area of concern. There are pandemics,
but there's also something much more ordinary,
cancer. So many people in their 30s and 40s are
now getting cancer. This is really troubling
because it not only threatens their lives, but
also the stability of society. These are people
who are our prime workforce, and they are often
parents. So in 2026, I think what we are experiencing
are not just... the effects of climate change
in terms of raw physical disasters and health,
but we're also living in a society and a world
that's breaking down because it rests on a global
economy driven by fossil fuel. And we know this
is true when we see that the administration is
focused on places like Venezuela or the Middle
East. But I said I wasn't going to be... I was
going to end on a moment of hope. I know it sounds
depressing, but I want to say that I am super
excited to see that so many countries around
the world are actually embracing renewable energy.
There are exciting statistics coming out of China,
Pakistan, and many African countries that are
rapidly moving to upscale solar. I also think
that people are seeing the damage that's happening
in their communities and they are getting organized
to respond. And I think that is hopeful. There
are so many mutual aid groups. There are so many
folks that are working together to create communities
that are moving towards sustainability in all
kinds of ways. That to me is hopeful. And I'll
say frankly, since I know I'm talking to at least
in part. Christian audience and maybe some Catholics
out there, I'm especially hopeful when I see
what the new Pope is doing to continue the work
of Laudato Si. We need the largest sectors of
our faith communities, and that would be the
Catholics, the Muslims, and the evangelicals
to engage. It's a big problem, and we need everyone
involved, and I think that we are seeing people
of faith standing up. being leaders in this fight.
And that gives me a lot of hope. That's so great.
Thank you for that. And I want to keep unpacking
that a little bit further. But I want to start
with a grim kind of just anecdotal take on the...
I guess the movement or people of faith and conscience
in the U .S. right now and just see what you
think about it. As an activist and someone who's
been involved for a long time, I wrote a book
on the connection between nonviolence and the
environment 15 years ago. I think everything
has changed since I wrote that book. And here's
my thought. Buckle your seatbelt, Amy. Okay.
I think most people are giving up now. And we
think we're way past the deadline of trying to
stop or slow climate chaos. So, for example,
I think it was a year ago, the New York Times
did this massive report and said things are bad,
but we haven't. really noticed the big tipping
point, and it's going to happen in 2030. Well,
I mean, people can Google it and look it up and
read it, and it goes on for page after page.
Others say we're way past the tipping point now.
And so I think a lot of people are just kind
of throwing their hands up in the air. And meanwhile,
the country is collapsing in so many ways. There's
so many wars, and there's the threat of nuclear
war. So everybody's just... getting by or choosing
their battles. And I'm not sure as people of
faith and conscience that's acceptable. I think
we still have to do what we can. But I wanted
to ask you about this question of the deadline
or continuing to take action even if you don't
think it's going to have any positive effect.
It's really like Jesus going to the cross. We
do the good because it's good. We do what's right
because it's right. to stand up for the environment.
What do you think about that? So my answer to
that question was yes. You agree with me about
the country that most people are giving up? Well,
I think that there's so many pieces to this,
and yes, in many ways. I don't know if everybody's
giving up. I think people, I think a lot of people
are reading the same literature that you are,
and they do feel very frustrated and hopeless
about. preventing a tipping point from happening.
But I also think that tipping point is something
that's happening by degrees. I mean, we've already
seen things change. I just talked about it, right?
We already know things have changed. But if we
just say, okay, I give up, and I'm not saying
that's what folks are doing, but if that's what
we say, then we lose all chance of keeping it
from becoming worse. When I think about it in
terms of human suffering, when I think about
it in terms of destruction of all of the beautiful
creatures that this planet is gifted with, when
I think about my daughter and everybody else's
children, I don't think I have, I don't know
if I want to say this, I don't know if I have
the right to sit still and just give up. Maybe
that is the right word. I certainly don't think
as a person of faith that that is the response
I want to demonstrate. I feel like my life has
been a gift. I want my legacy to be forwarding
that gift in the best way that I can now. And
that means I get up every day and do what I can.
That's great. I'm so glad I asked you that. You
know, I've had Bill McKibben, my friend on this
podcast, and he's been at this forever. And,
you know, like 15 years ago, you may remember,
there was a time when For a couple years, there
was a little window that everybody was talking
about changing the light bulbs. Boy, has that
gone. Nobody's talking about that anymore. And
Bill's message, he's just hammering away, is
everything comes down now to political will.
We all have to stand up and organize. We can
make a... massive difference if we all organize.
And that's what I like what you're doing. You're
trying to organize people of faith to take public
action. So thank you for that. What are some
things that our listeners can do? How can people
of faith and conscience take action in just ordinary
ways? What might you suggest? Can I just circle
back on one thing I wanted to say about the previous
question? I think that some of the people who've
given up on some of the public actions and fighting
back aren't apathetic. I think they're still
organizing in their communities and doing other
things to create supports, local supports. A
lot of the pastors that I've talked to may not
be doing what I'm doing, but they are still organizing
in their communities around responsiveness to
the needs that are at hand. So I just want to
say that. While there may be some people who
have just given up and said, I'm not going to
do anything. I think so many faithful people
are still very engaged in different aspects of
this struggle. So I just wanted to name that.
Good. And I hope it's true. And all of us, as
you said. We don't have the right to give up.
We don't have the luxury of giving up. But as
a requirement of faith, we can't give up. What
are we going to say? Hey, sorry, Creator. We
destroyed your creation, and there's nothing
we can do. No. So tell me some things we can
do. I think it's very important to build relationships
with people in your community who are engaged
in this kind of work. So the first thing to do
may be to just find your people and start having
conversations about what work needs to be done.
I think that we have a lot of folks in our communities
that have been engaged in these kinds of struggles
for a very long time. And there's a lot of overlap
in this work. One of the things that I thought
about when I was thinking about my journey into
this work is the AIDS work that I used to do.
The first thing I learned about was how disproportionate
it is that different people get sick based on
what they have or they don't have, so that communities
that are less resourced tend to have more HIV
and AIDS than communities that don't. And so
that actually has an environmental component
to it. So there are people who've been fighting
what I think are related fights for a very long
time. So finding your people in your community
who are working on, you know, it could be something
even like housing or... access to healthcare.
These are all related to the environment. That's
the amazing thing. I don't know if you've ever
heard of Dr. Mindy Fullylove, but she's done
some really amazing work that shows how much
our environment and how we live and where we
live relates to our health and wellbeing. And
that's just always stuck with me. So find your
people in your community who are doing good work
and get involved, learn the stories and figure
out if your interest is environmental, what's
the environmental aspect? of that story. Of course,
there are many fights happening everywhere. I
think all of us can find a local pipeline or
one of my organizers in New Jersey is talking
about safe rail transit for toxic chemicals or
whether or not we're going to have wind farms
off the coast of North Carolina or whether or
not Duke Energy, I'm here in North Carolina.
So Duke Energy is, how are they going to support?
transitioning to solar or are they going to stand
in the way of transitioning to solar? So find
the issue that's important. Find your people,
find the issue. And then if you need to get some
training, figure out how to organize. If you
don't know how to be an organizer, learn. It's
not hard. There are literally dozens of organizations
that have trainings on simple, basic organizing.
And then start having some fun with it. Figure
out what your action is going to be and start
showing up in public and doing the work. It's
a great release. You can make some really great
friends and it gives your life purpose. And hopefully
if enough of us do it, we will change what happens
in our communities and even in this country.
Thank you so much for that. Tell me about some
of your journey. How did you get to the place
where you're working full time on climate justice
and speaking out and organizing? Well, it's been
a really long journey, so I'll try to be brief.
The first part of it had to do with growing up
in rural Pennsylvania where so many people made
their living off the land as farmers. I lived
for four years with my family on an organic family
farm, which was super fun and super hard work.
Western Pennsylvania is also really known for
fossil fuels and Bessemer Steel was probably
the main. business in my little town of Greenville,
Pennsylvania. And I didn't make all of those
connections until later, but I certainly grew
up with this profound sense of the sacred in
nature. That's just always been with me. I alluded
a little bit to my work in HIV and AIDS, where
I started learning about justice and the disproportionate
impacts of injustice. how that relates to the
environment became increasingly clear as I learned
about the work of Mindy Fully Love and how displacement
of African -American communities caused so many
problems for those communities, depression, decreased
health, increased use of drugs, obesity. There's
so many things that you can relate to the destruction
of a community and the social network that sustains
people. And so I just began thinking about how
could my ministry focus on the environment and
on nature, which I love so very much. And I found
Green Faith and I took the fellowship program
that they had back in 2010. And it took me a
while, but I looped back in 2018 and started
working on this full time. I think the catalyst
was twofold. One was... I'd spent some time in
India and it was 2017 and I was very depressed.
Certainly India has a lot of infrastructure problems
and a lot of pollution. So by day I was learning
about all of that. And at night I was watching
California burn. It was that fall when all those
fires happened. And at the time my daughter was
nine years old and I became quite depressed.
And I really didn't know what I was going to
do, but I knew I had to do something. And I got
a phone call from Reverend Fletcher Harper, who
is the executive director of Green Faith. And
he started telling me that he wanted to do some
work in North Carolina. And I said, yes. And
here I am. Oh, that's great. You said yes. Yes,
I said yes. I was asked and I said yes. I mean,
I'm doing it in my heart of hearts, you know,
for my daughter. I can't imagine leaving her
a place that is not going to sustain her. And
so I'm going to do everything I can to make that
true. And then I extend that to all beings and
certainly to all children. Let me ask you then
to reflect with me as a person of faith living
in this time of catastrophic climate change,
something that I could never have imagined as
a kid that would happen in my lifetime. What
does faith in a creator God, who's all good,
universally loving, just, merciful? In fact,
I think the scandal of Jesus about the scandal
of God is that God is totally nonviolent. God
loves us infinitely and therefore has to give
us the free will to reject love because God is
nonviolent. So we're destroying creation. What
does it mean, as people of faith, in such a good,
loving God, creator? mean when we are actively
working or allowing or just living in a country
that is actively destroying God's creation? I
think it's a very serious question about the
depths of faith in this time. And that's why
I wanted to speak with you because We can't sit
back if we truly believe in a loving creator
God, not to mention the nonviolent Jesus who
gave his life for humanity and creation. We have
to do the same, don't you think? So when you
shared that question with me, the words that
came to me were, forgive them, Father, for they
know not what they do. That's what came to my
mind. In my heart of hearts, my Unitarian Universalist
teachings is that we are basically good also.
And we don't always act that way. That doesn't
mean that we're evil. It means that we are not
doing the best that maybe we could and that God
loves us anyway. And so I am called to continue
to try. And I'm not saying that there aren't
some people that maybe are. or doing things that
they shouldn't be and they know it. But I guess
in my heart of hearts, I do believe that humanity
is good, that life is good, that people are good,
and that I'm going to get up every day and seek
to reflect that goodness and to believe in that
goodness. I don't know if I'm answering your
question fully, but I guess this goodness that
we have been gifted. Which shows up in terms
of our lives and the gift of the earth is something
that I'm going to work to hand on and to treat
as well as I can. You know, you said you stress
this as the nonviolent Jesus podcast. And, you
know, for me, what resonates is the ideas that
also show up in other traditions like do no harm
and the Buddhist tradition. And I also think
about the beautiful indigenous traditions of.
gift economy and reciprocity. We give and we
receive all the time from the earth and from
each other. And when we do that, we are rich.
We are rich in love. We are rich in physical
items. We are rich in relationships. And when
we only think about ourselves and we only take
care of ourselves, then we're isolated, alone,
afraid, and we do dumb things. We do things that
only, we only think about ourselves. And so I
think somehow opening up, and that's in the gospel,
that idea of opening up, you know, it's called
caring for your neighbor, welcoming the stranger,
visiting the sick, feeding the hungry. So however,
whatever tradition you have. Those are the precepts.
Those are the mandates that we are given. And
the other thing I wanted to say about this is
it's easier to be good when things are easy.
It is harder to be good when things are hard.
I think we are called more than ever in moments
that are difficult to act on our faith. So as
we love to say in Unitarian Universalist circles
and maybe in others as well, we are made for
times like this. This is exactly what people
of faith are for. Wow. Okay. Well, then what
sustains you in this hard work? Oh, my gosh.
So many things. And it takes all of them because
I won't pretend ever that I have days where I
don't feel overwhelmed or sad. And maybe honoring
that is also part of how we sustain ourselves.
Being able to say, I need a break is truly okay.
Being able to cry and be angry about things not
going well is okay. So taking the space we need
to process the difficult emotions, I think actually
helps us get them outside of us, like express
them and be able to... feel better from that.
But some of the things too are, I've already
mentioned my daughter, my husband. If he didn't
do the work that he does, I couldn't do my ministry.
So I'm grateful every day to my husband. I have
a reading and spiritual reflection group that
I meet with twice a week. That's really helpful
to me to have those people that I just spend
time with. And the readings that we choose are
often. you know, related to spiritual development
and sometimes environment. My congregation and
my denomination are both super supportive of
environmental, of justice in general and environmental
justice as well. So my home congregation has
a green faith circle. And they do this work with
me and other UU congregations around the country
are incredibly involved in environmental justice
work. So that's really helpful. I meet beautiful
people from all faiths every day that are doing
this work. So I'm inspired by their traditions,
the teachings of their traditions, and also the
work they're doing. And then I just like to be
outside as much as I can, gardening, exercising,
hiking. daydreaming, sitting on my porch. These
are all things that help me. Thank you so much.
I'm so glad you mentioned the last because I
think that's critical to this work, that part
of the whole question of how we turn to the path
of destroying the planet is because we became...
unlike the indigenous brothers and sisters, disconnected
with the planet. And all of us have to now spend
time outdoors every day, really, but definitely
once a week where we're really at one with creation.
Well, is there any last word of encouragement
you might have for us listeners today, Amy? So
I'd really love to invite folks to join an upcoming
campaign that we have going on called Covenant
for Our Future. This is an opportunity to come
together this year to create a circle, to do
work together, to promote. a covenant for our
future. And we've chosen that language specifically
because we feel like we are pushing back against
what's been happening in this country, not just
around climate, but also around so many other
issues. So there's going to be a platform for
this covenant. We're going to invite people to
sign on. And I encourage you to go to our website
at www .greenfaith .org slash USA and sign up.
So as soon as that launches, we'll be able to
send you the information and you can get started.
Find your people, find your community, people
who are willing to do work with you. Sometimes
we don't feel like we know enough or we don't
have, you know, sometimes even physical abilities
to do all the things that need to be done. So
ask for help, ask for ideas. You maybe can do
more than you realize. And remember to rest.
We all deserve time to renew, so don't feel guilty
about it. Well, thank you so much, Amy Brooks
Paradise, for speaking with me today. And thank
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