WEBVTT 00:00:16.550 --> 00:00:19.609 Welcome to the Nonviolent Jesus Podcast. I'm 00:00:19.609 --> 00:00:22.309 John, Father John Deere, and today I'm speaking 00:00:22.309 --> 00:00:25.730 with my friend Jerry Straub about his new book 00:00:25.730 --> 00:00:30.239 about life in Haiti and his life filming. among 00:00:30.239 --> 00:00:35.280 extreme poverty. This is a project of www .beatitudecenter 00:00:35.280 --> 00:00:38.719 .org, where you can find many other podcasts 00:00:38.719 --> 00:00:41.020 and regular Zoom programs on the nonviolence 00:00:41.020 --> 00:00:44.079 of Jesus and practicing nonviolence and working 00:00:44.079 --> 00:00:48.079 for a more just, more nonviolent world. So let's 00:00:48.079 --> 00:00:50.460 begin, as usual, with just a little moment of 00:00:50.460 --> 00:00:54.259 prayer. And I just invite you, wherever you are, 00:00:54.359 --> 00:00:58.079 to just take a deep breath. And to just relax 00:00:58.079 --> 00:01:01.000 and let's all recenter ourselves and notice how 00:01:01.000 --> 00:01:04.799 we're feeling. And I invite you to enter into 00:01:04.799 --> 00:01:07.760 the presence of the God of peace who loves you 00:01:07.760 --> 00:01:12.739 infinitely and personally and everyone everywhere. 00:01:13.480 --> 00:01:16.579 And let's welcome the risen nonviolent Jesus 00:01:16.579 --> 00:01:20.719 here with us. And just take a moment to ask for 00:01:20.719 --> 00:01:24.040 whatever grace and blessing you need to follow. 00:01:24.540 --> 00:01:26.780 the nonviolent Jesus more faithfully and do God's 00:01:26.780 --> 00:01:35.640 will. God of peace, thank you for all the many 00:01:35.640 --> 00:01:38.560 blessings of life, love, and peace that you give 00:01:38.560 --> 00:01:42.560 us. Be with us now as we reflect together with 00:01:42.560 --> 00:01:46.439 Jerry on your call to follow the nonviolent Jesus 00:01:46.439 --> 00:01:50.519 in service among the poor and needy. and to work 00:01:50.519 --> 00:01:53.400 for a more nonviolent, more just world. Bless 00:01:53.400 --> 00:01:57.739 us, inspire us, disarm us, heal us, strengthen 00:01:57.739 --> 00:02:00.879 us, and send us out to do your will, that we 00:02:00.879 --> 00:02:05.060 might do our part to end poverty and unjust suffering, 00:02:05.319 --> 00:02:08.520 and all forms of corporate greed and systemic 00:02:08.520 --> 00:02:11.900 injustice, racism, war, nuclear weapons, environmental 00:02:11.900 --> 00:02:15.360 destruction, and fascism, that we might be your 00:02:15.360 --> 00:02:18.830 holy beatitude people. your holy peacemakers, 00:02:18.830 --> 00:02:22.449 and welcome your reign of universal love, nonviolence, 00:02:22.449 --> 00:02:24.650 and peace on earth. In the name of the nonviolent 00:02:24.650 --> 00:02:27.889 Jesus, amen. Well, it's a great blessing to welcome 00:02:27.889 --> 00:02:31.370 my friend, filmmaker, author, and founder of 00:02:31.370 --> 00:02:36.729 the Santa Kiera Children's Center in Haiti, Jerry 00:02:36.729 --> 00:02:40.409 Straub. Santa Kiera is an orphanage for children 00:02:40.409 --> 00:02:44.280 in Port -au -Prince, Haiti. where Jerry has lived 00:02:44.280 --> 00:02:47.180 for the last many years until he had to flee 00:02:47.180 --> 00:02:49.300 about a year ago because of the total violence 00:02:49.300 --> 00:02:53.539 that has swept through Haiti. Since then, living 00:02:53.539 --> 00:02:57.939 in Florida, where we're talking today, he's written 00:02:57.939 --> 00:03:02.539 a great new book telling the story of his journey 00:03:02.539 --> 00:03:08.620 as a Hollywood producer, once of General Hospital, 00:03:08.780 --> 00:03:12.189 the soap opera. to then moving to Assisi, where 00:03:12.189 --> 00:03:16.129 he wrote his award -winning book about St. Francis 00:03:16.129 --> 00:03:19.430 called The Sun and Moon Over Assisi, to then 00:03:19.430 --> 00:03:22.210 founding Pax et Bonum Communications, where for 00:03:22.210 --> 00:03:25.330 20 years he traveled the world into the poorest 00:03:25.330 --> 00:03:28.650 slums on the planet and made some 20 films about 00:03:28.650 --> 00:03:31.569 extreme poverty, which have been shown all over 00:03:31.569 --> 00:03:33.849 the country and which you can now watch for free 00:03:33.849 --> 00:03:36.669 online. And then he moved to Haiti and started 00:03:36.669 --> 00:03:39.449 an orphanage. And so I want to ask him about 00:03:39.449 --> 00:03:41.650 some of these things, and mainly his new book, 00:03:41.750 --> 00:03:44.789 which is called The Cross of Love, The Pain of 00:03:44.789 --> 00:03:48.389 Poverty, which is available online and at Amazon 00:03:48.389 --> 00:03:50.729 and everywhere. And all the proceeds go to the 00:03:50.729 --> 00:03:53.389 orphanage in Haiti. I've known Jerry for over 00:03:53.389 --> 00:03:57.210 25 years. He's the author of many other great 00:03:57.210 --> 00:03:59.750 books, and it's a pleasure to have you here. 00:03:59.909 --> 00:04:02.590 So, Jerry Straub, welcome to the Nonviolent Jesus 00:04:02.590 --> 00:04:06.830 podcast. Oh, thanks, John. Hey, congratulations 00:04:06.830 --> 00:04:10.669 on this new book, which tells your amazing story, 00:04:10.909 --> 00:04:14.110 which is hard to sum up in a sentence, but from 00:04:14.110 --> 00:04:16.410 Hollywood to filming documentaries among the 00:04:16.410 --> 00:04:19.430 poorest of the poor, to moving to Haiti, to setting 00:04:19.430 --> 00:04:23.129 up this amazing orphanage, which I visited just 00:04:23.129 --> 00:04:25.629 before the pandemic, the Santa Clara Children's 00:04:25.629 --> 00:04:28.350 Center. I thought there's so much to talk about, 00:04:28.449 --> 00:04:31.509 and I hope everyone will get your book, The Cross 00:04:31.509 --> 00:04:34.839 of Love, The Pain of Poverty. dig more into Jerry's 00:04:34.839 --> 00:04:38.879 journey. But let's focus on the films and on 00:04:38.879 --> 00:04:43.740 Santa Chiara in Haiti. So you've made over 20 00:04:43.740 --> 00:04:47.779 very powerful films about extreme poverty all 00:04:47.779 --> 00:04:50.379 over the world. And now you've put them all for 00:04:50.379 --> 00:04:54.120 free online for people to watch, and maybe even 00:04:54.120 --> 00:04:56.620 better for church groups, conferences, and schools 00:04:56.620 --> 00:05:00.579 to use. I think your website is poxatbonumcom 00:05:00.579 --> 00:05:04.000 .org. which will spell and I'll repeat it later. 00:05:04.120 --> 00:05:08.300 So tell me about the films first, about making 00:05:08.300 --> 00:05:12.220 movies about the poor at the service of the poor. 00:05:13.860 --> 00:05:16.500 Well, I guess it began, but I was just trying 00:05:16.500 --> 00:05:20.199 to understand St. Francis's love of the poor 00:05:20.199 --> 00:05:23.720 and not just of the poor, but of poverty itself, 00:05:23.779 --> 00:05:27.750 which really made no sense to me. So I. I actually 00:05:27.750 --> 00:05:31.569 lived in a soup kitchen that the Friars, Franciscan 00:05:31.569 --> 00:05:35.069 Friars, operated in Philadelphia. And I was so 00:05:35.069 --> 00:05:37.269 amazed, I got some friends of mine from Good 00:05:37.269 --> 00:05:40.470 Morning America, and we made a very simple film 00:05:40.470 --> 00:05:44.329 on their life. And amazingly, it wound up on 00:05:44.329 --> 00:05:49.750 PBS, just not the whole network, but maybe 60 00:05:49.750 --> 00:05:54.370 or 70 % of the stations took the film. And it 00:05:54.370 --> 00:05:57.329 generated... about a quarter of a million dollars 00:05:57.329 --> 00:05:59.829 for the Friars to build a new and better soup 00:05:59.829 --> 00:06:03.069 kitchen. And I knew in that experience that, 00:06:03.089 --> 00:06:04.930 you know, putting the power, I could put the 00:06:04.930 --> 00:06:08.009 power of film at the service of the poor. And 00:06:08.009 --> 00:06:14.110 so it began. It began to, actually, the first 00:06:14.110 --> 00:06:17.009 thing that happened is the Minister General of 00:06:17.009 --> 00:06:20.509 the Franciscan Order read my book on St. Francis, 00:06:20.610 --> 00:06:22.920 The Sun and Moon Over Assisi. And he actually 00:06:22.920 --> 00:06:25.019 wrote me a personal letter and wanted to meet 00:06:25.019 --> 00:06:28.779 me. And I had next time I was in Rome and I met 00:06:28.779 --> 00:06:31.279 him and I told him that I wanted to go deeper 00:06:31.279 --> 00:06:34.959 into the bloated belly of poverty by living with 00:06:34.959 --> 00:06:37.579 friars around the world who were serving the 00:06:37.579 --> 00:06:39.819 poor, living the self -emptying love of Christ. 00:06:40.560 --> 00:06:42.800 And he said, what are you going to do? And I 00:06:42.800 --> 00:06:44.459 said, well, I don't know. I'm just going to, 00:06:44.459 --> 00:06:47.579 you know, observe, take some notes, maybe take 00:06:47.579 --> 00:06:52.490 some photos. And amazingly, he blessed this idea 00:06:52.490 --> 00:06:56.670 and arranged for me to visit, I think, like 13 00:06:56.670 --> 00:07:01.329 cities in about a year and a half. And that's 00:07:01.329 --> 00:07:06.389 when I really started entering into extreme poverty. 00:07:06.649 --> 00:07:10.250 And all I really knew was, you know, television 00:07:10.250 --> 00:07:14.850 visuals. And so I started making films and we 00:07:14.850 --> 00:07:18.269 showed these films that. catholic schools and 00:07:18.269 --> 00:07:21.970 universities to try to show the people the real 00:07:21.970 --> 00:07:25.370 plight of the poor and to then to connect it 00:07:25.370 --> 00:07:27.730 to our faith which compels us to do something 00:07:27.730 --> 00:07:33.529 uh to relieve that suffering and so uh i mean 00:07:33.529 --> 00:07:38.870 that's how it started and uh yeah so in your 00:07:38.870 --> 00:07:41.189 book the cross of love the pain of poverty you 00:07:41.189 --> 00:07:45.490 walk us through the making of so many of those 00:07:45.490 --> 00:07:47.980 films and they're literally around the world. 00:07:48.459 --> 00:07:53.279 So it's such an unusual book. I was telling Leanne, 00:07:53.360 --> 00:07:57.319 the producer, that I think you have been in the 00:07:57.319 --> 00:07:59.600 poorest places on the planet, maybe more than 00:07:59.600 --> 00:08:02.579 anybody else I know, except for maybe Mother 00:08:02.579 --> 00:08:08.139 Teresa. And so it's an incredible experience 00:08:08.139 --> 00:08:11.500 you've had. Can you tell us about one or two 00:08:11.500 --> 00:08:14.660 of the films briefly to give us a taste of them? 00:08:15.939 --> 00:08:20.680 Well, yeah, there was just so many stories in 00:08:20.680 --> 00:08:22.899 each of the films, you know, individual people 00:08:22.899 --> 00:08:26.019 that, you know, really stood out to me. But I 00:08:26.019 --> 00:08:30.480 guess the one that really comes to mind the fastest 00:08:30.480 --> 00:08:34.639 is a film I made in Uganda in 2009, in which 00:08:34.639 --> 00:08:39.220 we, at that time, there was sort of the tail 00:08:39.220 --> 00:08:42.809 end of a civil war in Uganda. The place was just 00:08:42.809 --> 00:08:47.549 falling apart. And we were in the north of Haiti, 00:08:47.750 --> 00:08:51.750 north of Uganda, rather. And we managed one day 00:08:51.750 --> 00:08:55.190 to be out in the bush, you know, where very few 00:08:55.190 --> 00:08:59.269 people went. And we were driving and the car 00:08:59.269 --> 00:09:03.409 got stuck in the sand. And so I just got out 00:09:03.409 --> 00:09:07.090 and wandered into a little hamlet. consisting 00:09:07.090 --> 00:09:11.649 of just three huts made of mud and sticks and 00:09:11.649 --> 00:09:15.269 like a grass roof. And there was nobody there. 00:09:15.389 --> 00:09:17.909 But in the middle of a little common area, the 00:09:17.909 --> 00:09:21.590 middle of these three shacks, there were three 00:09:21.590 --> 00:09:25.330 huts, rather. There were two children lying on 00:09:25.330 --> 00:09:32.149 the ground, half naked, not moving. And I walked 00:09:32.149 --> 00:09:36.250 up to them and was just so... I was overwhelmed 00:09:36.250 --> 00:09:41.970 by the sight of them. Their behinds were shriveled 00:09:41.970 --> 00:09:45.950 and laced with deep lines. They had tiny bones 00:09:45.950 --> 00:09:49.870 and dried out skin. And they were only wearing 00:09:49.870 --> 00:09:54.129 like tattered, dirty T -shirts. And I just began 00:09:54.129 --> 00:09:57.529 taking photographs and literally getting down 00:09:57.529 --> 00:09:59.669 on the ground and filming them. I mean, their 00:09:59.669 --> 00:10:03.379 face was... faces were covered with mud and flies. 00:10:03.740 --> 00:10:06.759 I really didn't even know how to respond to this. 00:10:07.059 --> 00:10:11.120 And we later found out that they actually had 00:10:11.120 --> 00:10:14.259 polio, which is why they weren't moving. And 00:10:14.259 --> 00:10:17.320 as I was filming, a little girl emerges from 00:10:17.320 --> 00:10:21.519 the bush carrying water and turned out to be 00:10:21.519 --> 00:10:29.110 their own older sister. all she could do for 00:10:29.110 --> 00:10:31.330 them was to bathe them. So she walked for some 00:10:31.330 --> 00:10:35.149 miles to get water. And we could see that they 00:10:35.149 --> 00:10:37.970 were just skin and bones. They were on the verge 00:10:37.970 --> 00:10:43.490 of starvation. And this became just such an amazing 00:10:43.490 --> 00:10:48.590 thing to see and to film. And so I wrote about 00:10:48.590 --> 00:10:55.940 it in my journals when I got back. While I was 00:10:55.940 --> 00:10:59.039 still in Uganda, we managed to transport the 00:10:59.039 --> 00:11:04.039 kids to some German missionaries to rehabilitate 00:11:04.039 --> 00:11:07.419 them nutritionally. Eventually, one of my donors 00:11:07.419 --> 00:11:13.139 supported them to get them to a major hospital 00:11:13.139 --> 00:11:16.059 in Kampala, where they were treated for their 00:11:16.059 --> 00:11:24.379 polio. The clips from the film of those two kids 00:11:24.379 --> 00:11:28.159 became the way I ended every presentation I gave 00:11:28.159 --> 00:11:30.980 at high schools and universities. And it just 00:11:30.980 --> 00:11:34.039 so moved people. They never really forgot those 00:11:34.039 --> 00:11:37.240 two kids, Sam and Esther. And your book has, 00:11:37.360 --> 00:11:40.919 for the listeners, Jerry's a world -class photographer. 00:11:40.960 --> 00:11:44.960 And you have a lot of photos in the book, including 00:11:44.960 --> 00:11:51.759 of those beautiful kids. is it Esther who did 00:11:51.759 --> 00:11:56.000 or Jane, you know, later on is doing really well 00:11:56.000 --> 00:11:59.200 now. Oh yeah. Jane, Jane. I kind of sponsored 00:11:59.200 --> 00:12:01.820 Jane for a little while. Yeah. She's the older 00:12:01.820 --> 00:12:04.139 one. There's the older sister and she just graduated 00:12:04.139 --> 00:12:06.779 from university. Yeah. That's a degree in English 00:12:06.779 --> 00:12:09.379 literature, you know? And, but the big thing 00:12:09.379 --> 00:12:12.620 was when I was back in Hollywood and trying to 00:12:12.620 --> 00:12:15.600 put this film together and it was such a tough 00:12:15.600 --> 00:12:18.259 ministry to try to. you know, pull together. 00:12:18.440 --> 00:12:20.919 And I was really down one day and I went into 00:12:20.919 --> 00:12:24.080 my office and on the answering machine, there 00:12:24.080 --> 00:12:27.440 was a call from Jane and it's just simply said, 00:12:27.620 --> 00:12:33.980 this is Jane. I am happy. Thank you. And I remember 00:12:33.980 --> 00:12:37.700 just becoming so elated at that simple message, 00:12:37.899 --> 00:12:41.679 you know, or whatever depression I was feeling 00:12:41.679 --> 00:12:44.539 or, you know, struggles I was having were just 00:12:44.539 --> 00:12:48.179 lifted, you know, that. This girl was able to 00:12:48.179 --> 00:12:53.259 say that and express thanks. And now I was given, 00:12:53.299 --> 00:12:57.000 maybe about a year ago, photos of her in her 00:12:57.000 --> 00:13:00.519 cap and gown, you know, graduated from college. 00:13:00.539 --> 00:13:03.580 Amazing. And I knew this was all because of a 00:13:03.580 --> 00:13:06.620 film, you know, that really wasn't meant for 00:13:06.620 --> 00:13:10.000 entertainment. It was just meant to help people 00:13:10.000 --> 00:13:14.159 who were, you know. Living the self -emptying 00:13:14.159 --> 00:13:16.779 love of Christ, serving the poor to give them 00:13:16.779 --> 00:13:20.139 a tool that they could raise money. So that's 00:13:20.139 --> 00:13:23.759 how it went. So a lot of your films end up being 00:13:23.759 --> 00:13:26.600 used by the local folks to raise money for their 00:13:26.600 --> 00:13:29.759 projects. Right. What's so amazing, you have 00:13:29.759 --> 00:13:33.759 this state -of -the -art website now. All of 00:13:33.759 --> 00:13:37.100 the photos and all your books, but now all the 00:13:37.100 --> 00:13:39.519 films for free. You've given them over to the 00:13:39.519 --> 00:13:41.820 world. Tell me about that. And I want to spell 00:13:41.820 --> 00:13:45.419 this because I want all of our listeners to check 00:13:45.419 --> 00:13:49.659 out Jerry's work. The website is poxetbonum .com 00:13:49.659 --> 00:13:53.500 .org. As in Poxet Bonum, peace and all good. 00:13:53.659 --> 00:13:58.049 It's Latin. Communications. P -A -X -E -T. B 00:13:58.049 --> 00:14:02.470 -O -N -U -M -C -O -M -M dot org. But you can 00:14:02.470 --> 00:14:04.889 just Google Jerry Straub and you'll see him. 00:14:04.950 --> 00:14:07.429 Tell me about the website and how people can 00:14:07.429 --> 00:14:14.029 get the films. Well, originally we sold the films 00:14:14.029 --> 00:14:18.710 when it was on DVD, but now everything is streaming 00:14:18.710 --> 00:14:21.409 and all of that. And people don't even have DVD 00:14:21.409 --> 00:14:26.870 players anymore. So we just decided that. just 00:14:26.870 --> 00:14:29.730 to put them on for free. So Pax Abundant Communications, 00:14:30.230 --> 00:14:37.049 that's what the C -O -M -M means. And so teachers 00:14:37.049 --> 00:14:41.909 use the films, use clips from the films in like 00:14:41.909 --> 00:14:45.450 social justice classes. I mean, just last month, 00:14:45.450 --> 00:14:47.909 I was in a university in Kentucky and in the 00:14:47.909 --> 00:14:50.710 cathedral in Kentucky showing clips from the 00:14:50.710 --> 00:14:55.179 films, just telling the story of how I... went 00:14:55.179 --> 00:14:57.639 not only from a Hollywood television producer, 00:14:57.740 --> 00:15:02.139 but an atheist, into being in the poorest place 00:15:02.139 --> 00:15:08.440 on earth, all over. We were filmed in refugee 00:15:08.440 --> 00:15:11.639 camps in northern Uganda years later, and in 00:15:11.639 --> 00:15:17.870 Kenya. All through South America, filmed lepers 00:15:17.870 --> 00:15:25.330 in Brazil, in Honduras, El Salvador, India. Oh, 00:15:25.470 --> 00:15:32.590 my word. And so. So, Jerry. And again, folks, 00:15:32.769 --> 00:15:35.330 I really invite you to check out Jerry's films 00:15:35.330 --> 00:15:39.110 and contact him or invite him to come and speak 00:15:39.110 --> 00:15:41.730 to your church or university and let him show 00:15:41.730 --> 00:15:43.870 some of the films. Because it's very hard to 00:15:43.870 --> 00:15:48.190 bring extreme global poverty to affluent American 00:15:48.190 --> 00:15:52.470 Christian churches and schools. And you do that 00:15:52.470 --> 00:15:55.129 well and just show it and then invite people 00:15:55.129 --> 00:15:58.250 to respond, right? I used to say I made films 00:15:58.250 --> 00:16:00.370 no one wants to see with money I didn't have. 00:16:01.909 --> 00:16:05.090 You're still doing it. So then, OK, you call 00:16:05.090 --> 00:16:07.649 me one day and you've moved to Port -au -Prince, 00:16:07.649 --> 00:16:10.250 Haiti, which didn't surprise me. I was like, 00:16:10.330 --> 00:16:13.429 that was kind of where all this incredible journey 00:16:13.429 --> 00:16:16.389 of yours was headed. And you have no money and 00:16:16.389 --> 00:16:18.450 you're in a little apartment. And then you're 00:16:18.450 --> 00:16:22.100 telling me later. An orphan girl named Baby shows 00:16:22.100 --> 00:16:24.259 up at your apartment, and then a few days later, 00:16:24.320 --> 00:16:26.220 all these other children show up. And at one 00:16:26.220 --> 00:16:30.919 point, you have 72 kids, and you found Santa 00:16:30.919 --> 00:16:35.519 Kiera Children's Center, this orphanage. You 00:16:35.519 --> 00:16:39.659 have a school and 66 full -time staff, including 00:16:39.659 --> 00:16:42.659 teachers and nurses, and you still have no money. 00:16:42.700 --> 00:16:45.700 And somehow it's all God. This is all proof of 00:16:45.700 --> 00:16:48.220 the, because you raised 700 ,000 a year. So tell 00:16:48.220 --> 00:16:50.980 us all about Santa Kiera and the children. It 00:16:50.980 --> 00:16:57.080 was done by this radical trust in God that St. 00:16:57.220 --> 00:17:00.629 Francis had. His idea was if he had nothing, 00:17:00.730 --> 00:17:02.730 he would have to depend upon God for everything. 00:17:03.190 --> 00:17:07.329 And I was in Haiti during the earthquake, the 00:17:07.329 --> 00:17:09.329 aftermath of the earthquake. I was invited to 00:17:09.329 --> 00:17:13.589 travel with doctors and nurses right days after 00:17:13.589 --> 00:17:16.130 the earthquake. And it was such a nightmare. 00:17:16.309 --> 00:17:19.410 I mean, there were just bodies all over the place. 00:17:19.509 --> 00:17:22.829 And we lived in one of the hospitals that was 00:17:22.829 --> 00:17:26.000 not damaged. And it was just... wall -to -wall 00:17:26.000 --> 00:17:28.799 pain and suffering. And I just, after that, I 00:17:28.799 --> 00:17:32.099 had post -traumatic stress disorder. And I kept 00:17:32.099 --> 00:17:34.859 going back to Haiti because I wanted to see what 00:17:34.859 --> 00:17:40.180 was going on and how they were recovering from 00:17:40.180 --> 00:17:44.200 this incredible disaster. And then on one of 00:17:44.200 --> 00:17:46.819 those trips, through someone I knew, I met this 00:17:46.819 --> 00:17:49.460 little girl named Baby, who was only 10 years 00:17:49.460 --> 00:17:54.529 old. And she just sort of adopted me. I was able 00:17:54.529 --> 00:17:56.890 to sponsor her to go to school. She was living 00:17:56.890 --> 00:18:03.490 with an aunt who was in very bad situation and 00:18:03.490 --> 00:18:08.670 circumstances. But I would be in contact with 00:18:08.670 --> 00:18:12.049 her via phone all the time. And then she got 00:18:12.049 --> 00:18:15.529 sick. And I went back to Haiti for her first 00:18:15.529 --> 00:18:21.220 communion. And then I saw how bad. She was and 00:18:21.220 --> 00:18:23.059 no one could figure out what was wrong. And I 00:18:23.059 --> 00:18:26.140 took her all over Port -au -Prince to try to 00:18:26.140 --> 00:18:30.380 find what was the cause. And eventually it was 00:18:30.380 --> 00:18:33.759 a kidney problem and she had to have a surgery. 00:18:34.160 --> 00:18:36.240 And we arranged for that. And then afterwards, 00:18:36.319 --> 00:18:38.880 I couldn't let her go back to where she was living. 00:18:39.299 --> 00:18:42.619 So I got a little apartment and I hired someone 00:18:42.619 --> 00:18:46.359 to watch her when I wasn't there. And eventually. 00:18:48.380 --> 00:18:50.500 What was happening is all the little kids in 00:18:50.500 --> 00:18:54.240 this slum started coming to us. And Baby and 00:18:54.240 --> 00:18:56.440 I were just making sandwiches. She was 15 by 00:18:56.440 --> 00:19:03.980 this time for the kids. And as I was taking her 00:19:03.980 --> 00:19:05.940 around Port -au -Prince, I saw what the real 00:19:05.940 --> 00:19:09.119 problem was, is that all the poor women, the 00:19:09.119 --> 00:19:12.299 single moms who were selling things on the street, 00:19:12.460 --> 00:19:17.089 had to take the kids with them. And I thought, 00:19:17.190 --> 00:19:20.710 wow, if we could only have a center where the 00:19:20.710 --> 00:19:23.869 moms could drop off their kids for the day, a 00:19:23.869 --> 00:19:28.390 daycare center, and we could take care of them 00:19:28.390 --> 00:19:29.970 during the day, they'd pick them up at night. 00:19:30.230 --> 00:19:36.230 And how hard could that be? And so we moved into 00:19:36.230 --> 00:19:38.650 a bigger place, and that's what we tried to do. 00:19:38.710 --> 00:19:42.549 And in the first month, Some 22 mothers dropped 00:19:42.549 --> 00:19:44.250 their kids off in the morning and never came 00:19:44.250 --> 00:19:47.430 back. And so suddenly I had an orphanage and 00:19:47.430 --> 00:19:50.430 had no idea what to do, how to do it. We had 00:19:50.430 --> 00:19:54.789 power only a few hours a day. And how was I going 00:19:54.789 --> 00:19:59.750 to feed all these kids? But somehow, somehow 00:19:59.750 --> 00:20:03.990 it just kept growing. And the more I wrote about 00:20:03.990 --> 00:20:07.970 it, the more people donated. And it was still 00:20:07.970 --> 00:20:13.069 a very violent place. And it was, I'm amazed 00:20:13.069 --> 00:20:15.130 it lasted. No one ever thought it would last, 00:20:15.230 --> 00:20:18.150 you know. And you were the first and only friend 00:20:18.150 --> 00:20:21.710 who ever came to see it for yourself. And you 00:20:21.710 --> 00:20:25.170 were in, I guess, the third house when you came. 00:20:26.190 --> 00:20:28.829 Which is an amazing place. And the kids are so 00:20:28.829 --> 00:20:32.599 spectacular. I was, you know, and so Jerry's 00:20:32.599 --> 00:20:34.680 book, friends, I'm encouraging everyone to get 00:20:34.680 --> 00:20:37.240 it, The Cross of Love, The Pain of Poverty. And 00:20:37.240 --> 00:20:40.619 the subtitle is The Unscripted Journey of a Hollywood 00:20:40.619 --> 00:20:44.039 Producer to the Worst Slums on Earth and an Orphanage 00:20:44.039 --> 00:20:47.940 in Haiti. And it's full of photos and it's one 00:20:47.940 --> 00:20:52.519 of the great transformation stories. Jerry, you 00:20:52.519 --> 00:20:56.240 have a beautiful line in there where Santa Kiera, 00:20:56.319 --> 00:20:59.289 you call it the school of life. I wondered if 00:20:59.289 --> 00:21:01.849 you could say about that because that was my 00:21:01.849 --> 00:21:04.650 experience. You know, we hear about Haiti as 00:21:04.650 --> 00:21:07.809 this place of death. And it is. There's so many 00:21:07.809 --> 00:21:10.609 killings and the anarchy now and all the coups 00:21:10.609 --> 00:21:13.839 and the destruction. Certainly in one of the 00:21:13.839 --> 00:21:16.180 poorest places. But when you walk into your place, 00:21:16.380 --> 00:21:19.440 there's so much life. And compared to the United 00:21:19.440 --> 00:21:22.819 States. And it's been life -giving for you, right? 00:21:23.000 --> 00:21:26.539 So tell me about the life of the kids and how 00:21:26.539 --> 00:21:30.759 it's brought, if you will, new life or the experience 00:21:30.759 --> 00:21:35.200 of the power of God there in all of this. In 00:21:35.200 --> 00:21:38.519 the kids, Jerry, in life and all. Well, for me, 00:21:38.599 --> 00:21:42.869 it was a transition of like... going from filming 00:21:42.869 --> 00:21:45.369 the poor to living with the poor. And that was 00:21:45.369 --> 00:21:49.329 such an amazing difference, you know, to experience 00:21:49.329 --> 00:21:52.309 what it was like to have to, every drop of water 00:21:52.309 --> 00:21:56.829 you drank or used to bathe or clean things had 00:21:56.829 --> 00:22:00.829 to be hauled in, you know. And the Santa Clara 00:22:00.829 --> 00:22:04.750 became for me a school of life in that I really 00:22:04.750 --> 00:22:08.529 learned how to, you know, what was really, really 00:22:08.529 --> 00:22:12.089 important in life. And the children themselves 00:22:12.089 --> 00:22:18.529 really, really were transforming me, you know, 00:22:18.630 --> 00:22:23.569 how to live truly this kind of self -emptying 00:22:23.569 --> 00:22:27.130 love. And the kids had been through so much. 00:22:27.150 --> 00:22:31.930 I mean, so much. We took in abandoned kids and 00:22:31.930 --> 00:22:36.150 abused kids, kids that no one wanted. And it 00:22:36.150 --> 00:22:41.279 was only by teaching them that. or letting them 00:22:41.279 --> 00:22:45.059 experience what it was like to be loved was some 00:22:45.059 --> 00:22:51.559 kind of change possible. And so, for instance, 00:22:51.619 --> 00:22:54.940 one kid was actually born in City Soleil, the 00:22:54.940 --> 00:22:58.420 worst slum. His mother was 15 years old, and 00:22:58.420 --> 00:23:01.000 she had him right in the street. And seconds 00:23:01.000 --> 00:23:04.220 after the baby was born, she somehow cut the 00:23:04.220 --> 00:23:08.819 cord, gave the baby to an old woman and said, 00:23:08.839 --> 00:23:11.440 I'm just... going to go get help, hold my baby. 00:23:11.559 --> 00:23:13.920 And of course, she never came back. And the woman 00:23:13.920 --> 00:23:17.059 took care of the baby for about five days, but 00:23:17.059 --> 00:23:20.220 she was so poor, she only gave him tea. So she 00:23:20.220 --> 00:23:23.640 brought him to Santa Chiara. And of course, he 00:23:23.640 --> 00:23:26.180 was so sickly that the staff didn't really want 00:23:26.180 --> 00:23:29.640 to keep him because we didn't know how we could 00:23:29.640 --> 00:23:33.220 take care of him. And I said, well, if we let 00:23:33.220 --> 00:23:35.779 him leave with this old woman, he's going to 00:23:35.779 --> 00:23:39.589 die and we can't let that happen. And so I named 00:23:39.589 --> 00:23:42.390 him Moyes. I got in my car, went down and got 00:23:42.390 --> 00:23:46.589 some strong formula. And he lived with me for 00:23:46.589 --> 00:23:48.750 nine months. And now he's four years old. He's 00:23:48.750 --> 00:23:53.130 like the prince of Santa Kiera. He's funny. He's 00:23:53.130 --> 00:23:57.289 smart. And so all the kids come with these stories 00:23:57.289 --> 00:24:01.349 of abuse and abandonment and deep psychological 00:24:01.349 --> 00:24:05.809 scars. And we've over the years managed to hire 00:24:05.809 --> 00:24:09.690 nurses and doctors and psychologists and social 00:24:09.690 --> 00:24:14.049 workers to treat them, to help them deal with 00:24:14.049 --> 00:24:16.769 the issues that they had. But the most important 00:24:16.769 --> 00:24:20.089 thing was is that they had to learn to take care 00:24:20.089 --> 00:24:24.990 of each other. And because of you and your teaching 00:24:24.990 --> 00:24:30.250 me about nonviolence, that became in this place 00:24:30.250 --> 00:24:33.920 of extreme violence. We wanted the children to 00:24:33.920 --> 00:24:38.240 live a nonviolent life because they were just 00:24:38.240 --> 00:24:40.359 constantly hitting each other and fighting with 00:24:40.359 --> 00:24:43.839 each other. How did you do that then? Tell us 00:24:43.839 --> 00:24:48.579 how you did that. Well, I don't really know. 00:24:48.720 --> 00:24:51.160 I just had to keep explaining to them. That there 00:24:51.160 --> 00:24:54.579 was one rule in the whole place. That's it. And 00:24:54.579 --> 00:24:59.779 you couldn't talk bad to anybody. You couldn't 00:24:59.779 --> 00:25:01.799 hit anybody. You couldn't hurt anybody. Never 00:25:01.799 --> 00:25:05.220 hit anybody. And this was really hard. This was 00:25:05.220 --> 00:25:07.119 really hard for them because they knew nothing 00:25:07.119 --> 00:25:11.640 but that. And just one quick little story. There 00:25:11.640 --> 00:25:13.700 was a little girl named Isnaida. She was eight 00:25:13.700 --> 00:25:16.079 years old and I called her Izzy. I gave all the 00:25:16.079 --> 00:25:19.660 kids names I could remember and pronounce. And 00:25:19.660 --> 00:25:22.299 at that time, the kids were going to an external 00:25:22.299 --> 00:25:24.960 Christian school. She came home one day and she 00:25:24.960 --> 00:25:32.599 said, Dad, a boy hit me. And the principal of 00:25:32.599 --> 00:25:37.099 the Christian school asked her, did you hit him 00:25:37.099 --> 00:25:40.259 back? And his knightess said to the principal, 00:25:40.519 --> 00:25:44.289 no. And then the principal asked, why didn't 00:25:44.289 --> 00:25:46.769 you hit him back? And she said, oh, Papa Jerry 00:25:46.769 --> 00:25:49.390 wouldn't like that. And I knew at that moment, 00:25:49.509 --> 00:25:54.730 John, that this message of nonviolence had penetrated 00:25:54.730 --> 00:25:58.630 into this violent place, at least in one little 00:25:58.630 --> 00:26:02.009 girl. And it took a lot of time and a lot of 00:26:02.009 --> 00:26:05.230 correcting. And two years ago, during summer 00:26:05.230 --> 00:26:07.089 school, because we have summer school, which 00:26:07.089 --> 00:26:10.089 is more like fun and games, we had a guy come 00:26:10.089 --> 00:26:14.230 in and give a seminar for a week on peace and 00:26:14.230 --> 00:26:16.650 nonviolence. It was all in Creole, so I don't 00:26:16.650 --> 00:26:19.769 know what he was saying, but he apparently really 00:26:19.769 --> 00:26:23.490 was, that this was his thing. And that, to me, 00:26:23.509 --> 00:26:26.420 was the only way that... situation in Haiti would 00:26:26.420 --> 00:26:29.859 change, you know, when people began to understand 00:26:29.859 --> 00:26:33.660 that violence is just completely unacceptable. 00:26:35.279 --> 00:26:38.420 Well, you offer so much hope there in such a 00:26:38.420 --> 00:26:42.359 light of possibilities in the midst of certainly 00:26:42.359 --> 00:26:44.559 one of the poorest places on the planet at the 00:26:44.559 --> 00:26:47.599 footstep of the United States right there off 00:26:47.599 --> 00:26:50.640 Florida, and one of the most violent places on 00:26:50.640 --> 00:26:53.480 the planet. totally connected to our history. 00:26:53.859 --> 00:26:59.480 And you've been telling me even recently that 00:26:59.480 --> 00:27:01.859 this unconditional love that you've practiced 00:27:01.859 --> 00:27:05.279 with the kids and that you've invited them to 00:27:05.279 --> 00:27:10.359 practice to one another, rooted in a nonviolent 00:27:10.359 --> 00:27:12.299 life. Okay, everybody's going to be nonviolent. 00:27:12.740 --> 00:27:15.839 You've seen a lot of the kids really change and 00:27:15.839 --> 00:27:20.420 then suddenly go from being very difficult and 00:27:20.420 --> 00:27:24.380 problematic to kind and then leaders to the other 00:27:24.380 --> 00:27:28.519 younger kids, right? Yeah. One kid in particular, 00:27:28.740 --> 00:27:31.420 Bensi, was the worst kid possible. Tell us about 00:27:31.420 --> 00:27:36.940 Bensi. She was just, you couldn't, she would 00:27:36.940 --> 00:27:40.039 talk back, use vile language that, you know, 00:27:40.099 --> 00:27:42.299 you couldn't even believe that this kid even 00:27:42.299 --> 00:27:51.579 knew. And she just was. So just difficult. And 00:27:51.579 --> 00:27:53.500 no matter how you would like punish her, and 00:27:53.500 --> 00:27:56.400 I don't mean, I may just like isolating her, 00:27:56.440 --> 00:27:59.880 no matter what, didn't care. She just would take 00:27:59.880 --> 00:28:03.240 whatever we dished out and just go right back 00:28:03.240 --> 00:28:06.819 to being. And I was criticized for forgiving 00:28:06.819 --> 00:28:10.160 her, for constantly trying to love her. And, 00:28:10.160 --> 00:28:15.359 you know, like I was not being helpful, you know. 00:28:16.109 --> 00:28:18.690 But I said that Christ asked us to forgive, you 00:28:18.690 --> 00:28:22.029 know, 70 times, seven times. We have to just 00:28:22.029 --> 00:28:27.170 keep loving. And eventually she turned the corner. 00:28:27.309 --> 00:28:31.410 It took like four or five years. And now she 00:28:31.410 --> 00:28:35.369 is like an angel. I can't believe it when I see 00:28:35.369 --> 00:28:39.309 her bending down and talking to some little kid 00:28:39.309 --> 00:28:46.339 about how to behave. It's like. And all it was 00:28:46.339 --> 00:28:51.359 was unconditional love. They said that she was 00:28:51.359 --> 00:28:54.539 pushing me the whole time. How will I make this 00:28:54.539 --> 00:28:58.660 man break and hit me? And it never happened. 00:28:59.380 --> 00:29:01.579 How can I do something that he won't forgive? 00:29:01.859 --> 00:29:07.039 And it never happened. And so that was the miracle 00:29:07.039 --> 00:29:10.140 of it. It was just pure loving them and forgiving 00:29:10.140 --> 00:29:14.529 them all the time. You know, people were criticizing 00:29:14.529 --> 00:29:17.450 it. Many of the staff, they just, everyone wanted 00:29:17.450 --> 00:29:21.450 her out. Even the kids wanted her out. Now she's 00:29:21.450 --> 00:29:25.009 like, to me, the real living example that transformation 00:29:25.009 --> 00:29:27.869 is possible, even under the worst circumstances 00:29:27.869 --> 00:29:33.529 possible. I mean, for five or six years, the 00:29:33.529 --> 00:29:36.549 soundtrack of my life was, you know, screaming 00:29:36.549 --> 00:29:41.470 kids and gunfire. And in this horrible place. 00:29:42.649 --> 00:29:46.869 something beautiful was created. It's such an 00:29:46.869 --> 00:29:49.309 amazing story. And again, folks, I really want 00:29:49.309 --> 00:29:52.069 to invite you to get his new book, The Cross 00:29:52.069 --> 00:29:54.269 of Love, The Pain of Poverty. There's really 00:29:54.269 --> 00:29:57.950 nothing out there like it. Because his story 00:29:57.950 --> 00:30:01.950 is so wild from Hollywood to Haiti and everywhere 00:30:01.950 --> 00:30:09.579 in the whole world in between. I just want to 00:30:09.579 --> 00:30:14.900 say one thing. I said, I feel like that by encountering 00:30:14.900 --> 00:30:19.279 the poor, I came to see my own really very real 00:30:19.279 --> 00:30:24.559 interior poverty within all the external riches 00:30:24.559 --> 00:30:27.859 that I had. And I am so grateful for the grace 00:30:27.859 --> 00:30:31.160 that opened my heart and eyes to the love and 00:30:31.160 --> 00:30:34.559 tenderness of God and God's overflowing mercy 00:30:34.559 --> 00:30:39.319 and compassion. No matter the struggles and suffering 00:30:39.319 --> 00:30:43.720 I personally endured amid this barbaric violence 00:30:43.720 --> 00:30:47.720 where twice gangs tried to kill me and it didn't 00:30:47.720 --> 00:30:51.380 happen. That's a story in itself. All this violence 00:30:51.380 --> 00:30:55.279 that I witnessed, I would rather today be in 00:30:55.279 --> 00:30:58.079 Haiti with my kids than any other place on earth. 00:30:58.160 --> 00:31:00.759 And it's breaking my heart being in Florida. 00:31:02.069 --> 00:31:04.670 Well, thank you for that testimony. So, Jerry, 00:31:04.809 --> 00:31:07.410 how can people support you? Tell us about the 00:31:07.410 --> 00:31:10.730 Santa Kiera website and what can people do to 00:31:10.730 --> 00:31:13.950 support the children there at Santa Kiera and 00:31:13.950 --> 00:31:17.990 therefore to make some gesture to the hope and 00:31:17.990 --> 00:31:21.970 the even love that you, the light you're shining 00:31:21.970 --> 00:31:24.430 from of all places, Port -au -Prince, Haiti. 00:31:24.549 --> 00:31:27.099 Tell us what we can do. Well, Port -au -Prince, 00:31:27.160 --> 00:31:29.799 Haiti right now is in the throes of some of the 00:31:29.799 --> 00:31:32.880 worst violence ever. The gangs control 90 percent 00:31:32.880 --> 00:31:38.220 of the city. Over 9 ,600 people have been killed 00:31:38.220 --> 00:31:45.460 since 2024. Thousands of people have been driven 00:31:45.460 --> 00:31:47.700 from their houses. The gangs are decapitating 00:31:47.700 --> 00:31:50.559 people, burning people alive, burning down entire 00:31:50.559 --> 00:31:53.759 neighborhoods. And nobody is paying attention 00:31:53.759 --> 00:31:58.359 to it. And so for me, the Santa Chiara Children's 00:31:58.359 --> 00:32:03.099 Center, which we have a website called santachiaracc 00:32:03.099 --> 00:32:08.740 .org, what's really most important is this violence 00:32:08.740 --> 00:32:12.440 has... driven up the cost of operating the place. 00:32:12.799 --> 00:32:15.839 It was always hard. I was always in debt. But 00:32:15.839 --> 00:32:21.680 now the annual budget has ballooned to like $700 00:32:21.680 --> 00:32:26.539 ,000 a year, $50 ,000 a month, which just seems 00:32:26.539 --> 00:32:30.880 insurmountable to me, even though we've always 00:32:30.880 --> 00:32:33.519 been on the edge of bankruptcy for all this time. 00:32:34.160 --> 00:32:37.640 But the only way I can do it is to have more 00:32:37.640 --> 00:32:40.950 speaking events. The sales from the books all 00:32:40.950 --> 00:32:43.990 go to support Santa Chiara. But speaking events 00:32:43.990 --> 00:32:48.509 are the most important. Over the 15 years before 00:32:48.509 --> 00:32:53.509 going to Haiti, I did about 260 poverty and prayer 00:32:53.509 --> 00:32:56.609 presentations at schools and churches all across 00:32:56.609 --> 00:33:00.269 the United States and in Europe. And once the 00:33:00.269 --> 00:33:04.859 people see... The clips of the films of the individual 00:33:04.859 --> 00:33:08.920 children and the extreme living conditions they 00:33:08.920 --> 00:33:11.839 have, and they hear my conversion story and they 00:33:11.839 --> 00:33:16.839 hear about my journey, they really want to help. 00:33:17.160 --> 00:33:20.559 I mean, people who have seen Sam and Esther like 00:33:20.559 --> 00:33:24.019 10 years ago still know these kids. They know 00:33:24.019 --> 00:33:28.220 all the children's names from my journal. And 00:33:28.220 --> 00:33:31.519 so that's the big thing is is getting more speaking 00:33:31.519 --> 00:33:34.799 events. And so so people can write and they can 00:33:34.799 --> 00:33:37.680 and they can write to me. They were on the Santa 00:33:37.680 --> 00:33:41.019 Clara website, the Santa Clara website. There's 00:33:41.019 --> 00:33:46.960 a link to they can donate via PayPal or they 00:33:46.960 --> 00:33:50.640 can just send a check to. Vero Beach. There's 00:33:50.640 --> 00:33:54.559 a post office box listed on the website. And 00:33:54.559 --> 00:33:58.279 so that's what we depend on. And we barely have 00:33:58.279 --> 00:34:01.039 enough money to even make it to Christmas. And 00:34:01.039 --> 00:34:07.180 so. So let's folks, let's try to help Santa Kira 00:34:07.180 --> 00:34:10.420 and the kids in Haiti. It's a start of what we 00:34:10.420 --> 00:34:13.719 can do to reach out. Jerry, it's a blessing as 00:34:13.719 --> 00:34:16.900 always to be with you and listen to you. As our 00:34:16.900 --> 00:34:19.880 time is up, really, I'm wondering if you have 00:34:19.880 --> 00:34:23.139 any last words of encouragement that you'd like 00:34:23.139 --> 00:34:27.039 to offer our listeners in light of your journey 00:34:27.039 --> 00:34:34.820 and for their journey. Yeah, well, the big thing 00:34:34.820 --> 00:34:40.599 that is nonviolence and all of its daily manifestations, 00:34:40.880 --> 00:34:46.389 large to small, is the only way to go. We begin 00:34:46.389 --> 00:34:49.769 by being nonviolent with ourselves. That is to 00:34:49.769 --> 00:34:52.630 stop beating ourselves up over our mistakes and 00:34:52.630 --> 00:34:55.670 failures and to become more merciful to our own 00:34:55.670 --> 00:34:58.570 selves and then extend that mercy to others. 00:35:00.489 --> 00:35:05.110 And so that really is the key. We're called to 00:35:05.110 --> 00:35:09.349 be compassionate and merciful, starting with 00:35:09.349 --> 00:35:16.210 ourselves and then reaching out to others. Thank 00:35:16.210 --> 00:35:18.650 you so much, Jerry Straub, for speaking with 00:35:18.650 --> 00:35:21.610 me today. And dear friends, please check out 00:35:21.610 --> 00:35:26.789 santachiaracc .org and order a copy of his new 00:35:26.789 --> 00:35:29.250 book, The Cross of Love, The Pain of Poverty, 00:35:29.269 --> 00:35:32.679 which you can get on Amazon or anywhere. Yeah, 00:35:32.739 --> 00:35:34.860 some guy named John Deere wrote the foreword 00:35:34.860 --> 00:35:40.280 to the book. It's on Amazon. And then pox at 00:35:40.280 --> 00:35:44.420 bonum, C -O -M -M dot org, you know, has all 00:35:44.420 --> 00:35:46.920 his films. And I hope people will invite Jerry 00:35:46.920 --> 00:35:49.559 in to speak. And please make a donation to Santa 00:35:49.559 --> 00:35:52.300 Chiara. As generous as you can be. Jerry writes 00:35:52.300 --> 00:35:55.480 a daily journal about life in Haiti, which is 00:35:55.480 --> 00:35:57.679 free. And you can sign up and get that there. 00:35:57.920 --> 00:36:01.280 Thank you all for listening to this episode of 00:36:01.280 --> 00:36:04.139 the Nonviolent. 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