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Welcome to the Nonviolent Jesus Podcast. I'm John, Father John Deer, and today I'm

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continuing my conversation with my friend, author, teacher, and lecturer, Sister Joan

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Chittister. This podcast is a project of www.beattitudecenter.org, where you can find

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many other podcasts and regular Zoom programs on nonviolence, Jesus, and working for a more just,

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more peaceful world. So, before we begin again, let's have a little moment of prayer,

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and I invite everyone to just take a deep breath, whoever you are, and to relax, and once again,

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to enter into the presence of the God of peace who loves you personally, infinitely, and everyone

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else as well. And let's welcome Jesus here with us into our hearts, and ask for whatever graces

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we need to follow Jesus more faithfully and to do God's will. God of peace, thank you

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for all the blessings of life, love, and peace that you give us. Be with us now as we reflect

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on the teachings and beatitudes of Jesus, that we might follow him more faithfully, and do your will,

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and live out his beatitudes, and become beatitude people who welcome your reign of universal love,

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compassion, and peace. In Jesus' name, amen. So, once again, it's a pleasure to welcome

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my friend Sister Joan Chittister. This is part two of our ongoing conversation

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on Jesus and the Beatitudes, and we left off last week talking just about to launch into the third

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Beatitude, which I'll read and then invite Joan to comment on. So, we're at Matthew chapter 5,

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verse 5, blessed are the meek, they will inherit the earth. Blessed are those who hunger and thirst

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for justice, they will be satisfied. Blessed are the merciful, they will be shown mercy. Welcome

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back, Joan. Thank you. Thank you, dear brother John. I happen to have a love for this myself,

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and I'm afraid it shows because we could go on for a long time here. We did, however, I think,

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do a kind of a deep dive into the first of the great attitudes that Jesus has told us to live out

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if we want to be happy. And the second as well, at the base, what they say is don't hoard and think

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that the more that you manage to pile up in your basement is going to make you happier the next day.

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Don't cheat other people. They're working to bring themselves to the moment when they can feel happy

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as well as rejected. And be just. Be just with these people who do not have what we have.

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That brings us into the question, how do you mean be just? What are you talking about?

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The third, the attitude is called blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth.

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They're going to get it. They're going to get what you seem to think you had the great sense for.

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Well, yes and no. They are asking you to be the kind of person that works with persons who need

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them. Blessed are the meek, for an American is relatively ancient of synonym and we don't like it.

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It really means in American language, be humble, meaning don't push, don't grab, don't ignore

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everybody else. Don't think that the place where you are is the greatest and you will just keep

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making it great. Well, the people down the street and their kids can't pay their medical bills.

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What we need is a way, Jesus says, of living my life that does not destroy yours. If I am living

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a life that is not for any reason or in any way making it impossible for you to become

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equally relieved, is something wrong with the way we're happening. I'm not exceptional. I'm human.

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You're not exceptional. You're nice. You're good. You're smart. You care, but you're human.

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And therefore, we don't have any birthrights tell us getting up in the morning that all the eggs

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that were hatched that night, the night before were ours to buy or were ours to save.

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And therefore, we must treat what we take in all the other kinds of people in our lives

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as equal partners, different maybe, of course different, but equal, which then prepares us now

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for the fourth of the great attitudes. And they are…

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Let me just ask you a little bit more about the third one before we… Is that okay?

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Sure.

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Yeah. So, I wanted you to comment on this. In my work and journey with the Beatitudes,

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there's a couple of thoughts. Thomas Merton wrote in his famous essay of 1965,

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Blessed Are the Meek, The Christian Roots of Nonviolence, that he said the Hebrew word

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meekness, which runs throughout the Psalms, interestingly, yes, it means humility, but it

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doesn't mean passivity. And he wrote, that's the biblical word for active nonviolence in this sense

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of Gandhi and Martin Luther King and Dorothy Day. So, humble and gentle, but nothing passive about

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it. So, you're standing up, as you're going to say, for justice and peace. And that was a revelation

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to me. So, I'm sitting with that for years going, wow, is Merton right? Blessed are the nonviolent,

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whereas the world would say blessed are the violent. But then, Joan, a comment on this is so

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weird, the imagination of Jesus. He's connecting humility and, let's say, active nonviolence,

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or the struggle for justice and peace there, with oneness with creation. You see, they will inherit

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the earth. And I remember the day about 20 years ago, I was living in New Mexico on the mountaintop

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in a hermitage, and I thought to myself, I've never heard anyone talk about the connection between the

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two. Why is that? And then I realized, well, you know, 1700 years of the just war theory,

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we've rejected this call to peacemaking, justice, nonviolence, and like the politics of humility and

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gentleness. And so, we're not one with creation, and we've been destroying the earth, and that

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could only lead to catastrophic climate change. So, any thoughts on, this is my take on this

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powerful verse. I wrote a whole book on it, Joan, they will inherit the earth. What do you think?

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Well, if you don't mind, I'm a bad Ickman, right? And I'm listening to you, and I'm saying to myself,

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he knows exactly what the problem is here. You see, Americans have a hard time dealing with

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violence. To tell an American to be humble is to be run off the rails, pal. And yet, this is the third

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of the beatitudes, and it runs right into, guess what, number four, therefore blessed are the

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merciful. No, blessed are those hungry and thirsty for justice.

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Yes. What you do to others are going to happen to you too. You've already announced your

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exceptionalism. We don't do that in my family. We always buy the top of the mountain in my family.

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We take all the kids to a private pool because we don't want them on that dirty sand. That's

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exceptionalness. That means I'm above. That means I will not be walking the pace of the average

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people even around me. No matter what I have, I'm it. But then we get to, oh, you poor soul.

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We feel so sorry for you. God, you do need help. That's number four. Blessed are the merciful.

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To the less mentally healthy, we are merciful. To people who have fallen on drugs and loss,

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we are merciful. To those who are not good like us, less than whole, not as human, we're going to

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readjust our thinking. To be, to have mercy, to get mercy when we need mercy, we must be part of

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the merciful community. However, hang on if you're an American. Let's ask, for instance, what are we

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getting in the fourth part of the tradition? What about Guantanamo? They're still there, aren't they?

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We know that. We haven't said a word about that for literally years now. They have sunken to nothing,

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never seen their children again. It's all been about vengeance. Blessed are the merciful.

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No vengeance. Blessed are the merciful, not with vengeance. In America, over half of the population

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believes that torture is acceptable. We have that counted. We have that marked off. Our

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psychologists know that. Our politicians know that. We all know that. It's all right with me. Listen,

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look at what he was. We'll get it out of him. Torture is acceptable to half of the population,

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and we say not a word of repentance. Why? Because we don't start here in humility to begin with,

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let alone mercy as well. That brings us, of course, then to the other end, the end that we have,

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we know we must now consciously be part of. And that's the fifth beatitude that reads,

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the attitude that reads, blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness. Blessed are

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those who are starving to see righteousness. Blessed are those who recognize how the entire

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culture is operating, and by God, we need to understand righteousness and how it cuts off

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half of people. We need then a sense of justice, of humanity in our own. When the kids do something,

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that my child would never do that. No, you may not keep him after school. They need justice.

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They need a sense of humanity, meaning that man fell in that gutter, and another human being will

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have to pick him up. And most of all, we need standards, standards. The number of people

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who have been denied housing because they were another color than ours recognized immediately

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what their problem was. They had the money in their pocket, but a real good thinker wouldn't

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allow that in our building because it would destroy the building. We now understand that we must pursue

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righteousness, justice, and humanity for these people, freedom and justice for all. And when you

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and I see it happening, we have to call it. There is no other way out, and when we call it, we will

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be happy to know that we have been part of the change in every product we sell, every law we pass,

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every right and righteousness we protect. We are becoming now, we are reaching out to become a city

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on a hill, a light for the peoples. And that, of course, brings us to the attitude of number six,

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blessed are the pure of heart, the single heart.

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We'll reflect a little more, and then we'll do that attitude, and then we'll wrap it up for today.

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It's so powerful, you're saying, blessed are the meek, the humble, the gentle, blessed are those

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who hunger and thirst for righteousness, justice, blessed are the merciful. So much to talk about,

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Joan. Say a word about what he means, what does he mean when he says, those who show mercy

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to those in the culture who are not shown mercy, mercy will be shown them. In other words,

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I always thought that that meant kind of what goes around comes around. If you live a life of mercy

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day in and day out, especially towards people who are ostracized and marginalized and not shown any

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compassion, you know, not only is God going to show mercy to you, but people, others will show

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mercy to you. How do you see that?

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Well, it's a matter of, I've always thought that people of any element at all that we're looking

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for in a culture must consciously become aware of the power of one of these to begin either to accept

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it or to reject it. It's too easy simply to wipe over it. I mean, isn't it true? I mean, we never,

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all the time I went to school, Catholic schools, we had the Beatitudes, but it didn't mean anything

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to me or my family or even my parish or my church. We didn't demonstrate it in any way whatsoever.

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So then what, if you are looking for the single hearted, you're looking for people who demonstrate

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this, who what they, when they say, yes, I'll do it, they do it. When they say, no, I can't, they

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can't. That's where you get down to the bone of the soul. Every soul has a bone. We never talk about

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the bone of the soul because in the bone of the soul lies the energy and the propensity to do what

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needs to be done. Now I can look at it. Oh, God knows I can, I can, I can stand there and stare at

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it for the rest of my life, but unless it touches the bone of my soul without where I am really cure

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of heart, single hearted, will do what has to be done in front of me, if nowhere else, then it's

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never going to happen, John. It's never going to happen.

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Tom So you're talking about blessed are the

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pure of heart, the clean of heart, they will see God. So you're-

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Ruthie The single hearted, the single hearted, those who are single heartedly committed to this

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humility, to its gentleness, to its mourning, who is reaching out and they are demonstrating,

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they're not playing a game. See what a good boy I am in their life. I mean, I sit and listen to

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families on television, just the way all the rest of you do. And it is amazing how touched I am

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when a family in sorrow is trying to explain the death of the mother or the father or the sister

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or the brother and somebody says something like this, I don't care. I'll never be able to do

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without her. There was nothing that ever bled on anybody that she didn't take care of.

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Now, she was a single hearted saint. She was pure of heart. She didn't do it to get credit.

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She didn't do it to get seen. She did it because it was there. And she grabbed the stuff and ran

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off the porch and picked up the kid and said, I'll get you to your mother. That's the beginning of

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sanctity. That's why it is so late in the Beatitudes, because this is where you're going.

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If you begin to be conscious of those first five elements, they're there for you to practice for you.

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But now we're moving into the people around us, the ones we wouldn't rent to the people who have

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a different color. But now it's what are you going to do? Yeah, really? What are you going to do?

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What are you going to do? Do you belong to any clubs? What clubs do you belong to?

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Do you give to any charities? What charities do you give to? It's a molding, John. It's a shaping

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that comes out of these Beatitudes. These are not activities. This is not a prayer of supplication.

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This is pouring more and more of me into me. And if I get there at these later stages, I will be so

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happy. So that's so beautiful, your translation,

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blessed are the pure of heart, blessed are the single-hearted. And what does it mean for you

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that Jesus says, they will see God? Something about single-hearted visions, living the Beatitudes,

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and you will see God. I remember Dan Berrigan saying, that means the beatific vision is right

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where you are. Everybody around you, you see God in everybody. You see Christ in the poor and everyone.

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How do you unpack that? They will see God. Oh, I believe they will. I mean, I don't see,

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I see seeing God very, very easy anymore, John. It's in every perfect rose, it's in every crying

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child, it's in every old woman and her last breath. God is manifest in the breath and the

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presence of everything we see. The problem is we miss the portrait. We don't know what we're seeing.

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There is no other answer. That God is present, what is we are the ones who are not present to

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the God who is with us. Any good contemplative order will tell you that every single day.

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That's the Benedictine way, isn't it? To see God in everyday ordinary life, in one another,

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in creation. That's what happens if you live out the Beatitudes, you begin to see God.

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You know, the spiritual nugget in this tiny little rule of Benedict from the year 300

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is humility. It took them centuries to recognize that it is chapter seven on humility in the rule

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of Benedict that is our spirituality. You have to be there. You have to know humility between you

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and the world, the Christian world, God's world. Inside yourself, you know who you are and you're

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working on it already. Then you must understand everything that goes around you and give it your

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best look. And then in the last four of those elements, you don't hurt anybody. Anybody.

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And you don't even laugh at them. You don't reject them. They're just yours now.

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So these two pieces, they fall in line. But especially, it's these,

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the whole notion of the Beatitudes is to find out what happiness is, not blessedness is.

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That's nothing but an invoking a prayer on the guy next to you. This is the real thing.

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And it is who you become when you inherit these eight Beatitudes, when you become a

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person. When you breathe them out and breathe them in. You got it.

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I am hearing you reflect on the journey of the Beatitudes, the poor in spirit, mourning and

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meek and humble and gentle and hungry and thirst for justice and being merciful and single-hearted.

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Another way I've been looking at all of this lately is as in the end, total surrender to God,

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you know, the poor in spirit, you're surrendering to God to be mournful. Wow, you need God and

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humble. That's the whole thing. Not my will, your will be done. Hungering and thirst God for justice

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and mercy and single-heartedly, and I'm seeing God. That's all I want is to see God. It's taken

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me my whole life, Joan, to understand it's a journey of totally surrendering to God. And that's

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where it's right there in the Beatitudes. What do you think? Yeah, that is all over the place. Yes,

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it is. And how to get there, that's what I love about that. Man, go out and find a charity. Go

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see somebody who is hurting and they've been left out of the dinner. Go take care of that,

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and you'll feel really good tonight. You're going to have a good night's sleep.

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I just wanted to… Well, we have just a few minutes left, so I want to sort of end on back

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to hunger and thirsting for justice. And the flip side of that is, well, in my translation,

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they will be satisfied. And I all… That's okay. You do it. I want you to do it. Well,

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I was thinking of… You draw it together.

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Well, my whole life I was wondering, okay, what does that mean? Well, then I thought as a kid,

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well, we want the victories of justice. We want apartheid to end. We want the Vietnam War to end.

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We want the war in El Salvador, Nicaragua, or Iraq, or Afghanistan, or the killing in Gaza,

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or Ukraine, or Africa to end. We want poverty to end in hunger. And well, okay, I may not get those.

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I'm getting used to the idea. I'm not going to live to see the victory of justice. But then I

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thought, if you're still with me on this, I remembered the great book that I read at Duke

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in college, Victor Frankl's Man's Search for Meaning. Gosh, remember? And he said the lesson

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of being in Auschwitz was those who survived found meaning in life. And I thought that's what Jesus

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is getting at. In other words, if you hunger and thirst for justice, you'll be satisfied. You will

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find the ultimate meaning in life. You're no longer about I, me, mine. You are about justice for all

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the poor of the world. And that's a journey of both mercy and humility and single-mindedness.

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But I thought, well, if that's true, that that works for me, because I always wanted meaning in

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my life, Joan. And I think Jesus is saying that. And maybe the victories of justice too, but

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definitely this deep, deep, holy, almost contentment that the best thing we can do with our lives

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in a world of total injustice is to work for justice and mercy. What do you think? Tell us

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about that.

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I will next week.

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Oh, we're going to end there.

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You told me this was the end.

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Okay. So we'll pick up there, and then we'll move into the great teachings about peacemaking.

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Yes.

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So thank you so much, Sister Joan, for speaking with me today. And thank you, friends, for

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listening to the Nonviolent Jesus podcast. And you can hear more podcasts and find other

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Zoom programs at www.beattitudecenter.org. This has been part two of my conversation with Sister

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Joan. Join me next week when we have the final part three of my conversation with Sister Joan

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Chidister on Jesus and the Beatitudes. And so, may the God of peace bless all of you.

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Keep on following the Nonviolent Jesus and living out the Beatitudes. And see you next time.