1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:17,140 Hi everyone, and welcome back to For the Curious and Confused, a podcast for people who want 2 00:00:17,140 --> 00:00:20,560 to understand different perspectives of the world through the people who inhabit it. 3 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:25,920 I'm your ghost, your host, Dom McTaggart, and today's guest is Mayim Vega, a former 4 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:31,200 NASA computer scientist turned holistic life coach, public speaker, and author. 5 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:36,800 Mayim is the founder of Arruca.com, a service founded on holistic health and wellness. 6 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:41,040 Her approach blends scientific reasoning, holistic health practices, and spiritual insights 7 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:44,640 to create a powerful framework for personal transformation. 8 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:49,720 She also holds multiple certificates, including those in nutrition, herbalism, holistic health, 9 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:51,920 and neuro-linguistic programming. 10 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:56,480 This blend of scientific rigor and holistic wisdom allows her to offer a unique integrative 11 00:00:56,480 --> 00:01:00,960 approach to health and wellness, helping individuals unlock their potential and achieve lasting 12 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:01,960 success. 13 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:05,520 So Mayim, thank you very much for being here today, and I'm excited to speak to you about 14 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:06,520 some of these topics. 15 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:08,440 Yes, thank you so much. 16 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:11,520 I'm glad you're my ghost today. 17 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:13,840 Yeah, we'll see how that goes. 18 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:18,680 So first question, could you just give us a bird's eye view of who is Mayim Vega and 19 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:21,560 what motivates her? 20 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:29,720 I think the most important things that I would say about me are number one, that I'm a mother, 21 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:34,920 and I think that really drives most of everything that I do. 22 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:38,680 Number two, I'm a very religious person. 23 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:44,800 I'm an Orthodox Jew, and faith is also very much a guiding principle in a lot of the things 24 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:46,840 that I do. 25 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:52,040 And I'm a wife, my first major was computer science. 26 00:01:52,040 --> 00:02:02,240 I just loved logic and reason and programming, really, when I was a child. 27 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:05,360 I think my love for computer science started in middle school. 28 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:10,680 I took my first programming class, and I remember I was one of the few. 29 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:16,080 Usually it was just me and maybe one or two other women in my computer science classes 30 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:18,280 oftentimes. 31 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:23,640 And I'm 46 years old, I have seven children. 32 00:02:23,640 --> 00:02:31,080 And after my first child, I decided to become a work from home mom, and kind of quit my 33 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:35,920 career in computer science in order to... 34 00:02:35,920 --> 00:02:36,920 Because I didn't feel like it was natural. 35 00:02:36,920 --> 00:02:45,840 I didn't feel like it was natural for people, like what animal on earth has a child, and 36 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:51,920 then shortly after puts him in the care of strangers, right? 37 00:02:51,920 --> 00:02:55,160 For the majority of the day. 38 00:02:55,160 --> 00:03:05,200 In nature, we do find communal child raising, where you raise your child in a pack or in 39 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:10,480 a herd or something like that, but never where you're isolated from your child for most of 40 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:11,480 the day. 41 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:13,240 And I just thought, this is not natural. 42 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:20,200 And if it's not natural, I just felt like I have this inner faith that the further away 43 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:27,600 we go from nature, the more in trouble we are, and the more we have to compensate. 44 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:31,680 So we can't be cavemen anymore. 45 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:37,280 Of course, I don't want to be a caveman anymore, but just trying to compensate for all the 46 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:42,360 ancient ways that we've lost, I think that has really guided me. 47 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:50,800 And then as an entrepreneur, I did app development and digital marketing for mostly high-tech 48 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:53,120 companies straight out of NASA. 49 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:59,720 That was the easiest thing I could do as a work from home mom, basically programming 50 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:05,680 for other people in more corporate environments and high-tech environments and stuff like 51 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:06,680 that. 52 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:13,120 And then I got really sick and I had very debilitating migraines. 53 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:16,400 And I thought that I was going to die. 54 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:21,000 And I was taking the over-the-counter medication at first, but after a while it got really 55 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:25,720 bad and I couldn't sleep and I couldn't work anymore. 56 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:27,200 And I couldn't take care of my children. 57 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:30,600 So at that point, I was like, I need to do something. 58 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:35,360 Had my husband rushed me to the emergency room because I was just in so much pain. 59 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:41,680 And the doctor and the nurses, they asked me a bunch of questions, ran a bunch of tests. 60 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:47,640 And eventually at first they thought that I had a brain tumor, but eventually they ruled 61 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:49,760 that out after a CT scan. 62 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:52,880 And they said, well, good news, you don't have a brain tumor, bad news. 63 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:55,000 We have no idea what's wrong with you. 64 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:57,280 Here's some strong painkillers. 65 00:04:57,280 --> 00:04:59,480 There's nothing we can do for you. 66 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:05,280 And so that wasn't the only problem that I had with modern medicine, but that was sort 67 00:05:05,280 --> 00:05:07,400 of like the last straw. 68 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:11,480 And I suppose I have a very extreme personality as well. 69 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:17,040 And so I just decided from that day on to just take charge of my own health. 70 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:19,120 And that's when I enrolled in courses. 71 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:24,520 Well, not that day, but eventually enrolled in courses for nutrition and herbalism and 72 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:25,520 holistic health. 73 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:33,480 And I was able to find my cure, the root cause, not just a band-aid cure like all the painkillers 74 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:38,560 were, but the real root cause of what was happening to me. 75 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:46,080 And just stepping back, I was like, how crazy it is that these doctors with their degrees 76 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:52,800 and this expensive equipment and expensive hospital, they couldn't tell me what I learned 77 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:54,560 with some certification programs. 78 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:57,200 It wasn't even a degree program. 79 00:05:57,200 --> 00:05:59,740 And I was able to learn the root cause. 80 00:05:59,740 --> 00:06:01,800 And I'm not saying that I learned everything in those programs. 81 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:07,680 I continued to learn in different programs and certifications and courses. 82 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:13,680 But now I'm training people in the medical profession. 83 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:18,440 Some of my students are doctors and nurses, nurse practitioners, et cetera, who are learning 84 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:21,240 nutrition and herbalism and things like that for me. 85 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:31,460 And that just goes to show how lacking our modern medical system really is when it comes 86 00:06:31,460 --> 00:06:33,240 to true health and healing. 87 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:41,120 But again, I really think that the key is going back and trusting in more natural ways 88 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:43,800 and going back to our ancient roots. 89 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:53,280 And even though I do sort of quote unquote unnatural things such as vitamin supplementation, 90 00:06:53,280 --> 00:06:58,720 for example, Megudas vitamin therapy, obviously our ancestors didn't have vitamins, but it's 91 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:05,480 because we lost our ancestral ways that we have to substitute and do things like vitamins. 92 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:13,160 And I did a red light therapy session last night at my friend's house, they're holistic 93 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:15,360 doctors and that felt really good. 94 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:21,600 And I had to do that because I don't get out in the sunshine enough, just little things 95 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:22,600 like that. 96 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:25,040 So did that answer your question? 97 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:26,280 Yeah, that's a great introduction. 98 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:27,280 Thank you. 99 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:33,800 I think the first question that comes to mind from that is how do we know when we've gone 100 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:38,940 too far down the way of something that's an unnatural remedy versus a natural remedy? 101 00:07:38,940 --> 00:07:44,280 Because you mentioned that vitamin supplements is kind of an unnatural way to get the minerals 102 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:45,280 we need. 103 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:49,960 But then you said doing red light treatments, which one can say that our ancestors didn't 104 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:51,360 have that back in the day either. 105 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:57,240 So how do we know what sort of techniques are still under the category of natural versus 106 00:07:57,240 --> 00:08:03,880 ones that are too modernized? 107 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:13,320 Well I think anything modernized should compensate for what we've lost in our more natural ways. 108 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:20,600 And so there's a holistic doctor and dentist by the name of Dr. Weston A. Price. 109 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:25,840 He's no longer with us, but he wrote a very popular book in the holistic health movement 110 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:30,480 called Nutrition and Physical Degeneration. 111 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:33,960 And he's not the only one, but he's one of the popular ones. 112 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:36,320 And he wrote a book about his research. 113 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:41,040 He traveled all around the world to study different indigenous tribes. 114 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:43,720 And he found that they were in excellent health. 115 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:48,040 They didn't have the same diseases that we have in our Western world. 116 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:53,480 They didn't have cancer, heart disease, diabetes, hypertension, all these metabolic and other 117 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:57,680 issues that are the leading killers in the Western modernized world. 118 00:08:57,680 --> 00:09:01,240 He also found that they had perfect dental health. 119 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:08,280 Their teeth were straight and free of cavities, even though they didn't brush their teeth. 120 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:15,280 And their women were still giving birth and fertile at the time when our women in modern 121 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:18,200 society are having menopause. 122 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:19,520 And the men were still viral. 123 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:21,280 They were still hunting. 124 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:27,320 And they were also much more valued for their wisdom and guidance than we tend to treat 125 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:28,960 our own old people today. 126 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:33,720 Because as we get older in modern society, usually we have Alzheimer's and dementia and 127 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:36,120 all these debilitating diseases. 128 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:40,560 And they just didn't go out the same way in those native cultures. 129 00:09:40,560 --> 00:09:44,080 And he studied people all around the world, native tribes all around the world. 130 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:54,320 And he also found that as they started entering into modern society, adopting modern food 131 00:09:54,320 --> 00:10:00,160 and modern lifestyles, they started getting the same diseases that we get today as well. 132 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:06,040 With the processed food, they would spend all day in the sun, basically, virtually all 133 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:08,000 day in the sun. 134 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:16,920 In shade sometimes, of course, but grounding, fresh air, sunshine, nature, and free of toxins 135 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:21,480 and toxicants. 136 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:23,080 And they were healthier. 137 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:32,360 So that always stuck to my mind as what is healthy and what is not, and what is the cause 138 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:35,360 of disease. 139 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:40,520 And there's a missionary doctor by the name of Albert Schweitzer, I believe. 140 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:42,760 He found the same thing. 141 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:44,880 So I think that's how we know. 142 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:46,880 Did that connect? 143 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:47,880 Oh, definitely. 144 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:48,880 Yeah. 145 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:52,320 I think there's a lot of things that I think resonate with people, particularly just like 146 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:55,560 the nutrition, sleep, exercise, hydration. 147 00:10:55,560 --> 00:10:58,240 Those are some of the topics you just mentioned. 148 00:10:58,240 --> 00:10:59,920 And I hope we can go into that more a little bit. 149 00:10:59,920 --> 00:11:04,760 But I just want to maybe go back and talk more a little about your background, how we 150 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:06,560 got into this. 151 00:11:06,560 --> 00:11:11,960 So you mentioned being into coding back in middle school. 152 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:16,280 So I guess, could you talk about how your relationship with science, what it was like 153 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:21,000 as you were growing up, and then how that contributed to getting your role at NASA? 154 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:28,520 Well, I don't think it was science as much as it was just logic. 155 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:31,720 I think logic was more what I was really into. 156 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:35,360 My parents actually said that I should be a lawyer. 157 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:39,920 You love to argue, you love to use logic and reasoning to win debates and stuff. 158 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:42,480 You should be a lawyer. 159 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:44,200 Not sure why I didn't do that. 160 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:47,840 But yeah, computer science was my field of choice. 161 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:50,240 And I had a lot of fun in the classes. 162 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:51,440 I think that's why I chose it. 163 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:53,120 I loved creating things. 164 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:55,680 I'm a very creative person. 165 00:11:55,680 --> 00:11:59,520 I think that's why, maybe that's why I chose computer science is because I got to create 166 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:05,240 things instead of just argue legal issues or something like that. 167 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:06,240 Right, right. 168 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:07,600 One quick follow up question on that. 169 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:11,040 What languages were you working with either back in middle school when you were first 170 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:13,760 starting or at your time at NASA? 171 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:18,000 Well, I learned the basics, which should be back in that day, I guess. 172 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:27,160 I don't know what the basics are today, but I learned C, C++, Java, assembly language. 173 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:37,240 And when I was actually at NASA though, we used Unix and Perl, actually Perl. 174 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:43,920 And yeah, those are our name, for our team. 175 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:45,320 Those are the languages that we use. 176 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:50,360 And then later on when I became an entrepreneur, it was more PHP, actually. 177 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:52,240 PHP and JavaScript. 178 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:58,320 Yes, you mentioned that you ended up leaving NASA after you became a mom. 179 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:02,920 And that kind of, I think, from what I am understanding, led to your transformation 180 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:04,960 into this holistic space. 181 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:11,000 So could you fill in a little more maybe about how you decided to leave NASA with that transformation 182 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:12,000 happening? 183 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:15,920 Well, leaving NASA wasn't about becoming a holistic healer. 184 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:21,400 Leaving NASA was about becoming a work from home mom so that I could be with my children 185 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:23,040 and raise them. 186 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:27,200 NASA had a really great daycare. 187 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:29,000 It was right outside the security gate. 188 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:35,000 And so I could go and breastfeed him, my first baby, right after. 189 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:39,000 But yeah, it didn't feel natural. 190 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:45,240 NASA was probably one of the easiest jobs I've ever had because in college, I was a waitress 191 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:47,760 and I was a telemarketer. 192 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:49,640 And those are kind of more pressure. 193 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:51,520 And NASA was just fun. 194 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:53,200 It was great working with the team. 195 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:55,600 It was great working in a research environment. 196 00:13:55,600 --> 00:14:01,520 It was great working for the government because we weren't profit driven. 197 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:04,280 We were more research driven. 198 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:10,080 And then we used to get different guest speakers, different scientists and authors and just 199 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:18,520 really great thinkers who would give talks to everyone that was at the Moffitt Field 200 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:22,200 Air Base in Moffitt Field near Mountain View. 201 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:29,080 And we had, there's this inventor of Mathematica once came to speak with us, you know, that 202 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:30,080 computer program. 203 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:36,560 Yeah, that was my first introduction to coding and man, that'll blow you away. 204 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:37,560 Yeah. 205 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:40,080 So he was a really smart guy. 206 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:52,540 And what's interesting is that at NASA, there were different theories of origins. 207 00:14:52,540 --> 00:14:55,120 So there were different people believed in different origin theory. 208 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:57,920 So not everyone believed in evolution. 209 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:04,520 There were some people that were Christian, they would believe in creation science. 210 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:08,280 And then the Mathematica guy, he was very early in his life because he didn't believe 211 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:09,600 in either of those. 212 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:16,320 He believed that there was a mathematical formula that created the world and he was 213 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:18,040 trying to figure out what the formula was. 214 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:20,080 I was like, wow, that's so interesting. 215 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:22,480 I got a life mission there. 216 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:23,480 Yeah. 217 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:27,720 I guess when you make enough money, you can do these esoteric things. 218 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:30,240 Yeah, definitely. 219 00:15:30,240 --> 00:15:36,720 So how does this, the next question is how does being able to kind of label yourself 220 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:40,880 as a former NASA scientist that kind of has kind of a wow factor to it. 221 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:46,040 How does that impact the speed with which people will believe you to be credible or 222 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:48,480 competent in some way or capable? 223 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:49,480 It's great. 224 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:54,640 I think it really lays the foundation of, oh, you're not just some woo-woo person. 225 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:57,600 That's also because I'm a very religious person. 226 00:15:57,600 --> 00:16:00,880 So that's like two strikes against me for the irrational person. 227 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:09,440 You're religious and then you believe in all these holistic, kind of ancient remedies, 228 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:15,280 sunshine and herbs and things like that, which I mean, it's not like they're devoid from 229 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:19,480 science. 230 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:26,600 I'm not into crystals or it's not like I don't believe in energy healing or things like this, 231 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:29,320 but I would rather lean on... 232 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:32,840 I don't like to discredit anything that I don't know enough about. 233 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:40,760 I don't like to warn like, oh, that's just like phony woo stuff. 234 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:45,000 I like to investigate a matter thoroughly before I discredit it. 235 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:47,120 So if someone says, oh, do you do this? 236 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:48,840 I'm like, well, no, I don't know anything about it. 237 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:52,600 So I'm not going to speak positively or negatively either way. 238 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:53,600 Yes. 239 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:54,600 Sorry, go ahead. 240 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:55,600 No, no, go ahead. 241 00:16:55,600 --> 00:17:01,560 I was going to say for those two groups you mentioned, like the woo-woo side of being 242 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:06,720 holistic and then also the religious aspect, it seems like there's a very small population 243 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:13,800 of both of those groups that are very loud and kind of like almost paint the general 244 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:17,400 narrative that most people kind of believe about both those groups. 245 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:22,500 But then there are plenty of people within those groups that don't necessarily subscribe 246 00:17:22,500 --> 00:17:27,920 to those kind of loud people who are self-described to that group as well. 247 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:34,080 So that kind of makes it difficult to navigate the general populace sometimes because of 248 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:35,080 those reasons. 249 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:38,760 Yeah, because if you tell someone you're religious, they're like, oh no. 250 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:42,560 If you tell someone you're holistic, they're like, oh no. 251 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:46,960 You can only have so many strikes against you before you're not even allowed into someone's 252 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:47,960 presence. 253 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:51,800 They won't even give you a chance to get to know you. 254 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:52,800 Yeah. 255 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:57,480 So that NASA scientist label really, really helps you out to an extent for that. 256 00:17:57,480 --> 00:17:59,720 So I guess the next question kind of leads into that. 257 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:04,760 Do you believe that there are stigmas around terms like holistic healing or holistic life 258 00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:05,760 coaching? 259 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:09,280 And if so, what do you say to address some of those stigmas? 260 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:13,320 You touched on this a little bit of being able to approach it rigorously, but if you 261 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:15,800 could expand a little bit on that, that'd be great. 262 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:16,800 Yeah. 263 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:20,080 Yeah, there's a lot of stigma with the word holistic. 264 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:22,840 And you're either holistic or you think it's weird. 265 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:27,480 Like you're either on that side or you think you're crazy. 266 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:35,120 And from what I see, people who are holistic, they either grew up holistic with their parents 267 00:18:35,120 --> 00:18:40,800 and such, or they had a really bad experience with the modern medical system like me. 268 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:44,000 That was kind of my journey. 269 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:47,480 And then they kind of switched. 270 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:49,680 Not like right away necessarily. 271 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:59,280 There was a process of me becoming fully holistic and believing that most of the things that 272 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:06,240 they put in our food and water and medicine and chemicals that we use on a day-to-day 273 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:08,760 basis are actually harmful. 274 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:09,760 There was a process. 275 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:11,160 It didn't happen overnight, of course. 276 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:15,060 It was many years of study. 277 00:19:15,060 --> 00:19:17,040 So yeah, there's definitely a process. 278 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:21,240 And the way I kind of combat that is that I try to... 279 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:25,680 I think what wins people is number one, your own experience. 280 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:28,120 If I tell them I did this. 281 00:19:28,120 --> 00:19:32,640 I know that won't work with people who are scientifically trained because they're trained 282 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:34,280 to kind of discredit that. 283 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:36,520 So that's anecdotal. 284 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:46,200 But for the average person, anecdotal is probably the most powerful thing, I would say. 285 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:53,320 The second thing that I try to do is I try to always quote... 286 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:58,120 For me, it's hard to memorize actual studies and facts and stats. 287 00:19:58,120 --> 00:19:59,320 So what I try to do... 288 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:04,800 What comes very easily to me is to memorize principles and stories and people. 289 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:11,680 And so what I do is usually when I talk or I say I coach someone or something, like I 290 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:16,560 just told you a story about Dr. Weston A. Price and his research, and you can Google 291 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:18,440 him and you can read his book. 292 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:24,120 And so everything that I say is very researchable and verifiable. 293 00:20:24,120 --> 00:20:29,000 I guess maybe for areas of holistic healing that you're wanting to explore more, or you 294 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:32,000 gave the example of some things you don't necessarily know about and so you need to 295 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:33,680 look into them a little more. 296 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:37,880 How does your background in the computer science and the logic driven, how does that influence 297 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:40,840 your approach to holistic living? 298 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:44,560 Well, it has to make sense to me. 299 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:47,600 And for example, homeopathy does not make sense to me yet. 300 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:51,480 Can you give a brief explanation on what that is? 301 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:58,600 I can, but I would be telling you as a non-professional and non-practitioner. 302 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:00,400 So I might butcher it. 303 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:03,720 So I see a homeopath sometimes. 304 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:09,760 My logical mind does not believe in it, but my experiential mind believes in it because 305 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:12,160 it's worked for me at times. 306 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:20,400 So homeopathy is based on the principle of like cures like. 307 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:24,480 And so I think it was Hahnemann, that was his name. 308 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:34,080 He believed that if you took a substance that produced the same symptoms as what you are 309 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:39,960 experiencing that it will heal, it will heal you. 310 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:49,000 But it wasn't like a chemical effect, but it was on a, I suppose, a vibrational level, 311 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:50,880 a vibrational effect. 312 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:53,640 And it's going to sound woo woo when I describe it. 313 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:58,400 I described it to someone once and they're like, you know, the more you talk, the more 314 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:00,520 I get a headache as you're describing this. 315 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:01,520 I'm like, I'm sorry. 316 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:03,240 I know it sounds crazy. 317 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:07,040 Anyway, so this is how you make a homeopathic remedy. 318 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:11,640 You take something that produces a symptom of what you're trying to cure and you put 319 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:17,240 it in water and then you shake it vigorously and then you dilute it and then you shake 320 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:18,240 it vigorously. 321 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:19,600 And this is over a process of time. 322 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:22,080 This isn't like necessarily just one day. 323 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:23,080 You keep diluting. 324 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:24,600 Sorry, do you have an example of that? 325 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:26,080 I'm thinking of like aspirin. 326 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:31,800 You said nonchemical, but is there, what can we reference this against? 327 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:34,720 I mean, they use arsenic in some homeopathic remedies. 328 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:35,720 Okay. 329 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:36,720 Okay. 330 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:37,720 So, okay. 331 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:42,840 So stuff that you might not necessarily want to be dealing with in like the modern sense. 332 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:47,120 Sometimes they'll use herbs that you would take on a normal basis. 333 00:22:47,120 --> 00:22:50,280 So there's like some physical thing that just goes in there. 334 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:51,280 That's yeah. 335 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:52,280 Yeah. 336 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:54,200 It is something that produces an effect. 337 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:56,800 As a chemist, you would say, yeah, this produces that effect. 338 00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:57,800 You'd say, yes. 339 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:02,800 But they dilute it and they shake it and dilute it to the point where if you were to test 340 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:10,480 it under a microscope, there's pretty much no trace of that original substance left anymore. 341 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:16,600 But what they say is that the water, however, carries the memory of that substance on some 342 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:22,160 kind of vibrational level and that it helps and it cures. 343 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:25,000 So for me, I'm like, oh, maybe it's just placebo, right? 344 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:26,720 Maybe it's just placebo. 345 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:27,720 But I don't know. 346 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:34,320 I've taken some homeopathic remedies and you know that there's probably the best anti-itch 347 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:37,600 remedy is homeopathic. 348 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:42,940 I don't remember the name of it, but the most popular one is actually a homeopathic remedy. 349 00:23:42,940 --> 00:23:49,160 So I don't like to discredit it and I don't go to homeopathy by default, but sometimes 350 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:55,680 when the cure eludes me, I will visit my homeopath and I'll just be like, hey, what do you think? 351 00:23:55,680 --> 00:24:00,120 And even if it is a placebo effect, it works and it's safe. 352 00:24:00,120 --> 00:24:01,120 So why not? 353 00:24:01,120 --> 00:24:04,040 That's my opinion. 354 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:08,480 So how do you remedy the fact that, so you said that something needs to make sense to 355 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:11,320 you in order for you to kind of- For me to promote it. 356 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:13,680 Yeah, I'm probably going to use the word like prescribed. 357 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:17,940 So like as in something that you put out there for other people and then you just mentioned 358 00:24:17,940 --> 00:24:22,280 how your personal experience, that seems to work for you. 359 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:28,520 So how do you reconcile the, you wouldn't prescribe it because you don't logically understand 360 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:33,220 it, but you can still emotionally resonate with it. 361 00:24:33,220 --> 00:24:34,840 And so you would do it yourself. 362 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:36,800 Does that kind of make sense? 363 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:45,400 Yeah, so I'm very experimental and I will experiment with things that I don't understand 364 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:50,280 yet if I have a credible source that I trust that recommends it. 365 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:53,920 But when I coach and teach people, I don't prescribe because I'm not a medical doctor, 366 00:24:53,920 --> 00:25:00,040 but I just, I don't recommend for them to eat anything or take anything, but I'll recommend 367 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:05,280 for them to study something or to read a book or watch a video or read an article or things 368 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:06,280 like that. 369 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:07,280 Those are my prescriptions. 370 00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:09,040 My prescription is knowledge. 371 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:16,480 And so if I know, if I've studied on a certain thing like vitamin C, like I just said, also 372 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:21,560 for example, the carnivore diet has been very effective for me and others. 373 00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:33,120 Iodine, I'm an amy into iodine therapy, certain herbs, which yeah, then I will totally advocate 374 00:25:33,120 --> 00:25:34,120 for it. 375 00:25:34,120 --> 00:25:39,600 But if something is not so well researched, but you know, there's nothing else that I 376 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:45,760 know of that I can recommend, then I will say, you know, this, some people say this 377 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:46,760 works. 378 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:48,720 You know, some people say that works. 379 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:49,840 Interesting. 380 00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:56,400 So moving away a little bit from the sort of the, some of the physical moments of this, 381 00:25:56,400 --> 00:26:01,120 when you moving into experience a little bit, when you reflect on some of your life's most 382 00:26:01,120 --> 00:26:06,400 challenging moments, were there specific beliefs or internal narratives that either helped 383 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:11,000 or hindered your capacity to grow something like burnout or posture syndrome or something 384 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:12,840 of that nature? 385 00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:20,840 I think everything that has greatly hindered me is, has been the catalyst to help me grow 386 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:22,280 greatly. 387 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:28,600 And so one of them is of course, what I just mentioned with the, with the migraines that 388 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:31,080 were very debilitating. 389 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:35,440 And the second time in my life when I felt like, and I thought I was on my deathbed at 390 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:40,760 that time, the second time that I thought I was on my deathbed was, was when I got, 391 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:45,920 when I was, when I got hypothyroidism. 392 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:50,640 My husband actually diagnosed me and I was like, yes, I think you're right. 393 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:55,640 And so I just went ahead and proceeded to treat myself as if I had hypothyroidism and 394 00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,280 I was able to recover. 395 00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:05,480 And that I felt like threatened my life as I was, I couldn't regulate my, my body temperature 396 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:10,000 when I would get these hypothyroid attacks, just all of a sudden. 397 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:13,400 Now I understand what triggers me, but I didn't know at that time what triggered me. 398 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:16,280 So it would come out of the blue, it seemed. 399 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:22,040 And I would just start shivering and it would, you know, I'm in Texas, so it's like a hundred 400 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:25,320 and gets to a hundred and five, a hundred and six, a hundred and eight, a hundred and 401 00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:26,320 nine sometimes. 402 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:30,000 And I think it was like a summer day, 105 degrees. 403 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:34,020 And I got it, my first hypothyroid attack and I started shivering. 404 00:27:34,020 --> 00:27:37,640 Like I was having, it looked like I was having a seizure. 405 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:42,920 And I asked my husband to get me my down, my winter down jacket. 406 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:49,480 And I started sipping, he made me some hot tea and I went outside to warm up in the 105 407 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:53,200 degree weather because I was so freezing cold. 408 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:59,480 And it took me like an hour to, to, to, to get stable. 409 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:03,120 And so that, that was very, that was very hard. 410 00:28:03,120 --> 00:28:09,800 And I, as a naturopathic herbalist, I was able to figure out, you know, nutritionally 411 00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:15,560 and supplement wise and herbal wise, how to treat myself. 412 00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:20,760 But to really get to the root cause I, I turned to a life coach. 413 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:25,080 And the reason why I turned to life coaching is because in the past when there were, there 414 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:29,720 were, I had issues in my life, like stress, stress induced. 415 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:33,120 Stress was a stress, it partly a stress induced problem. 416 00:28:33,120 --> 00:28:41,840 And talking to a conventional, let's say psychiatrist or therapist or something like that. 417 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:46,980 Their go to, their default go to is to prescribe you medication. 418 00:28:46,980 --> 00:28:51,880 And I knew that I didn't want that and I didn't want to go that route. 419 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,240 Was your stress more physical or emotional? 420 00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:56,420 You're talking a lot about these physical symptoms. 421 00:28:56,420 --> 00:28:59,280 Was there an emotional aspect of that as well? 422 00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:03,840 Well, as an entrepreneur, I would say I always live kind of like a high stress life, but 423 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:11,360 the additional stress in my life at that time was, so I have seven children of my own and 424 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:19,520 then my husband's mother adopted two children, but she, she kind of became too old to care 425 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:20,680 for them properly. 426 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:27,320 So we had agreed to take care of them after she passed away, but we felt like we had to 427 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:28,320 do it before. 428 00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:36,040 We had to do it now because they were just not getting the education that they needed. 429 00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:37,760 Very basic things. 430 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:42,060 She was trying her best of course, but she just couldn't physically. 431 00:29:42,060 --> 00:29:45,360 And so I homeschool my children. 432 00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:48,000 So I started homeschooling them too. 433 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:55,720 And it was very stressful because they didn't know our ways, they were troubled and it was 434 00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:59,760 just very hard to integrate them into our family. 435 00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:06,440 And I really didn't feel like I was getting any support from my husband or his mother. 436 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:10,920 And I was like, I was ready to divorce my husband. 437 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:16,080 I was ready to give up on the two adopted children. 438 00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:21,680 We didn't adopt them, but we were just, we're kind of like the guardians. 439 00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:24,840 And then that was one of the triggers for my hypothyroidism. 440 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:29,280 So I knew I needed counseling of sorts. 441 00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:34,520 So I turned to coaching because that was, in the holistic movement, that's very popular, 442 00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:35,520 coaching. 443 00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:36,520 And it was really good. 444 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:40,440 We got marriage coaching instead of marriage counseling. 445 00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:43,320 And we had had marriage counseling in the past. 446 00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:50,720 Marriage coaching was different and it was, I feel like it was better because therapy 447 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:57,560 often focuses on your past and kind of healing your past, which is not a bad thing. 448 00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:04,280 I'm not saying that's a bad thing, but the coaching really helped us move towards a better 449 00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:06,000 future. 450 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:11,480 It gave us tools to cope and work together. 451 00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:13,400 It was like team building. 452 00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:18,600 It was like treating our marriage as if we were a sports team and we were a new sports 453 00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:19,600 team. 454 00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:25,040 So how can we effectively play the game of life together successfully? 455 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:27,360 And that was just, it was a great approach. 456 00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:28,360 Yeah. 457 00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:34,000 I've heard a similar phrase of like making sure that it's not you versus the other person, 458 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:35,360 you guys against the problem. 459 00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:44,040 So what's a framework that people and couples in general can use to shift from that one 460 00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:48,400 versus one mindset into the, you can use this metaphor of a team. 461 00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:50,760 A team versus the opposition. 462 00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:51,760 Yeah. 463 00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:57,800 I think, well, one of the things that they got me to understand, I don't want to speak 464 00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:02,800 too much for my husband because I can't speak for him, but just to assume that he's not 465 00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:08,600 against me, that he does, he's not anything that he's doing, that he's not doing it because 466 00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:15,320 he wants to do something negative to me and that he wants to help me because it's in his 467 00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:17,240 best interest to help me. 468 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:30,080 And if he lacks in anything, in my opinion, that there are better ways of communicating 469 00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:31,320 our needs. 470 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:38,960 But I think that the foundation is, I felt like the foundation was me feeling like he 471 00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:45,120 didn't care and that he just wanted me to do everything by myself, which he also portrayed 472 00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:49,080 by his choice of words and his tone. 473 00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:56,000 So they gave us both just better ways to speak to each other, different tones and different 474 00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:57,000 mindsets. 475 00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:01,560 I think that's the most important part of coaching is they helped us to have different 476 00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:10,960 mindsets, mindsets that were more positive, more resilient, more supportive, things like 477 00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:11,960 that. 478 00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:20,040 So we got marriage coaching and we also got, I personally got life coaching for myself. 479 00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:29,600 And that's when I just dealt with my own personal struggles, thoughts that were very self-defeating. 480 00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:34,200 For example, I kept saying to my coach, I have to take care of these children. 481 00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:36,720 I have to take care of these children. 482 00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:37,720 It's my responsibility. 483 00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:39,480 It's my duty. 484 00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:43,800 And then, but then at the same time, I felt like it's very heavy weight of that and I 485 00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:44,800 didn't like it. 486 00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:46,680 I didn't like this feeling of I have to do this. 487 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:49,320 I have to, I have no choice. 488 00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:55,120 And then my coach got me to think, you don't have to, you don't have to do anything. 489 00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:57,160 You're a free human being. 490 00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:00,480 What if you just said that? 491 00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:01,480 What if you said you don't have to? 492 00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:11,120 And I said, well, but if I don't have to, then what if I, maybe I'm a bad person or 493 00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:15,240 maybe they won't be the best that they can be. 494 00:34:15,240 --> 00:34:21,960 But just her helping me to understand that I didn't have to do this, that it was my choice 495 00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:28,940 and that I was actually, because I was choosing to do it, it just empowered me and it made 496 00:34:28,940 --> 00:34:35,080 me feel like I was doing a good thing instead of doing something that I had to do. 497 00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:40,840 And I don't know, it may seem trivial, but it was really powerful, that mindset shift 498 00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:41,840 for me. 499 00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:42,840 Yeah. 500 00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:48,320 It sounds like a shifting kind of the ratio of the self-criticism talk and the self-compassion 501 00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:49,320 talk. 502 00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:55,960 So how do you, I guess you've kind of alluded to this, but what strategies do you use to 503 00:34:55,960 --> 00:35:01,360 be able to have more control over maybe a self-criticism that drives growth, maybe not 504 00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:05,800 necessarily criticism in that sense, but something that drives growth in you versus something 505 00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:14,520 that drives the acceptance of the now? 506 00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:15,520 Probably both, right? 507 00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:24,280 Driving growth, I think comes with acceptance of now. 508 00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:30,020 And I think I probably, I mean, the coaching really helped me. 509 00:35:30,020 --> 00:35:38,120 And I think that my religion, that's where my religion plays a part as well, where as 510 00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:43,240 a Jew, I believe that as an Orthodox Jew, I'm not sure about all Judaism, but this is 511 00:35:43,240 --> 00:35:48,920 what I learned from, because there's different branches, that everything comes from God, 512 00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:55,300 everything comes from one source, and that everything is ultimately for my good. 513 00:35:55,300 --> 00:36:01,800 Even if it's bad temporarily, it will be good in the end if I react to it in a healthy way 514 00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:04,740 instead of in an unhealthy way. 515 00:36:04,740 --> 00:36:12,100 And just having that mindset and that faith that everything that comes to me will ultimately 516 00:36:12,100 --> 00:36:19,380 be for my good, that helps me to cope and think of strategies and just reframe things 517 00:36:19,380 --> 00:36:21,920 in a way that is positive. 518 00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,760 And so I could say the same thing about my health. 519 00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:30,120 All of my health crisis, my first one led me to become a naturopathic herbalist. 520 00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:36,720 My second one led me to become a holistic life coach, because it was such an important 521 00:36:36,720 --> 00:36:39,120 part of my own personal healing. 522 00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:44,320 This is something that I need to incorporate into my practice as well. 523 00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:50,200 And I think it's also, it's been a really great tool for raising my children as well, 524 00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:52,480 helping them have a positive mindset. 525 00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:56,920 That sounds like some really strong systems to have in place. 526 00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:58,380 So I want to be cognizant of your time. 527 00:36:58,380 --> 00:37:02,340 So my last question is going to be, is there anything that I haven't asked you about that 528 00:37:02,340 --> 00:37:08,280 you think would be helpful for the audience to hear? 529 00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:09,280 I think that- 530 00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:10,280 Yeah, sure. 531 00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:16,680 Well, you know, just because I heard a little bit about your background and like why you're 532 00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:19,520 doing this podcast and things like that. 533 00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:28,120 I really believe that every moment is a gift and that we're always changing as people. 534 00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:35,000 And so what you do now might not be what you do in the future, but every single part of 535 00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:41,920 your journey will ultimately play a role in your ultimate self, which is going to be a 536 00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:48,360 combination of many different experiences and kind of not be afraid to experience different 537 00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:51,000 things or try on different roles. 538 00:37:51,000 --> 00:38:00,040 And there's a very negative, we tend to speak negatively about people who are jacks of all 539 00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,360 trades, but master of none. 540 00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:04,520 There's something very negative. 541 00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:16,160 But I think to neglect many other things can lead to a very boring life sometimes and also 542 00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:18,240 an unfulfilling life. 543 00:38:18,240 --> 00:38:26,160 And so not to be afraid really to follow your heart as cheesy as that sounds, but still 544 00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:33,360 also taking hold of the things that have served you well in the past as well. 545 00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:36,000 That seems like a great place to end. 546 00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:37,000 Yeah. 547 00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:40,360 Thank you for that last insight and for answering all those other questions. 548 00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:43,280 And yeah, so thank you for being here. 549 00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:44,280 I really appreciate it. 550 00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:45,280 Awesome. 551 00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:46,280 Thank you, Don. 552 00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:47,280 Have a great week. 553 00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:58,640 Thank you.