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Good morning everyone

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I'm excited to chat with Alex today. Good morning

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This is the 99 dev problems show

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I am unfortunately a little under the weather this morning and have been for the past couple of days

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But we have an amazing guest with us today. And so we will not slow down

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And I am super excited to bring on Alex Alex. I would love for you to introduce yourself

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Absolutely Tessa. Thanks. My name is Alex Burke been in the tech industry a little over a decade

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started in

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retail mostly B2B

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companies

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Works for a local web shop for a little while

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Transitioned into a bigger tech company was in Seattle for some time

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And have made my way through a different startup and landed here at shipy. I'm

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The current startup I work for and it's basically a

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reuniting of Zulu Lee and Amazon bets so a lot of people that I have worked with in the past and

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Some others that are new faces but been here for about almost three years

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That is really fun when you get to work with a team that you've worked with before assuming that they're a good team

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Right, but it's it's nice to have that kind of known connection and sort of understand people's

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You know different ways of working and operating

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Absolutely. Yeah, and if I if I didn't like working with them, I wouldn't have come back

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It's a great team and oddly enough almost the same small team that I was a part of it Zulu Lee

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Has reunited here. So it's we already work together

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We we kind of know each other and of course we've hired and added new people into that family

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Which is kind of buzzword that people don't say but very close tightly knit team. So it's it's been a good good time

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Oh, I love that

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I mean, I think it's it's good to always have that like healthy work-life balance

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But I also think that it's it's good to like build those really strong relationships with your coworkers because it does make a

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Very long portion of your weekday a lot more enjoyable when you can do that

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Absolutely. Yeah, and we have a good time

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What's tough is you know since so I worked in person with most of these people

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I feel like if I hadn't had that I don't know how I would have developed some of these relationships

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and post COVID it's I love working from home, but

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Something different about having spent a couple years working in person at desks poking each other for help with things

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pairing on problems. I

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Guess we've adapted to doing that remotely, but it definitely

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Is strengthen the relationships I have with colleagues now

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You know, that's actually that's a really beautiful thing to bring up

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We talked a lot in pre-show and I definitely want to dig into the tech stuff

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but I want to double tap into what you just said because

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I personally selfishly want to share a beautiful little memory

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I had this morning and just sort of ask you about yours, right is I think that there's something here with that office time, right?

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You have to get that time in you have to especially like as an engineer like getting that sort of mentorship time in

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For me like I started out as a freelancer taught myself how to code and then got a role in an actual job

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And it was just so enlightening of like different even different ways of working different ways of standardizing different ways of thinking

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Because I taught myself how to code, you know, and so I think going into

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Remote life is also very beautiful

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I got to play with my son in the snow for the first time this morning, which was like the most amazing thing

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And if it right and so if if we are working in offices all the time

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We don't necessarily get to enjoy moments like that

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But at the same time there is this beautiful fruitfulness in spending time with fellow engineers

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I feel like you have a lot to share on that topic both on the family side and the technical side

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So I'll just leave that open-ended for you. Yeah, absolutely

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Yeah, I can relate to the morning family time

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I mean this morning was pancakes and eggs and sausage and we get to do that

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Almost every day wake up early and the kids are up shortly after us. Hopefully in theory

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We have food for them when they wake up. Otherwise it takes a little longer

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Yeah, those those connections don't for sure wouldn't have happened pre remote life for me

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I you know, I had to be in the office at

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7 8 maybe 9 but I mean never later than 9 and there's a commute and

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Yeah, would have missed out on hours on both ends of the day of time with the family

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So we were lucky enough that we had kids post COVID or middle of COVID

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So they're still young and they've not known the

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commuting dad life

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So that's been a huge blessing

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relationships in-person work and a cadence of you know being able to ad hoc ask for question or ask for answers and ask for help

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With things especially as a junior, you know turning around my desk and asking somebody

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What was up with this legacy code that I was diving into and maybe in a language that I hadn't even used

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Spent some time in VB six back in the day and it was kind of on the end of its life

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But you know it was still around and working, but I didn't know what I was looking at

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They don't teach that in college usually so yeah

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openness when you're in person that people are just

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Because you can't just turn around and ask a question you have to interrupt somebody

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potentially in the middle of flow or send them an email and hope that they have some time book a meeting start a slack huddle

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Kind of structure my days around when I'm gonna allow distractions when I'm gonna sure reach out to other people to distract them

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And I'm not perfect so I don't do a great job that but it's in the back of my head

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I know that if I don't structure those things into my day, they're not gonna happen

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And it's the same for all of us. We're all kind of working together to figure out what that looks like

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Yeah, I agree. You know as you were sharing that too. It really made me realize like

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How difficult it is when you join a new company to even just find a channel where you just feel safe to go ask a question

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And it's not that it's like a feel safety thing that the company has made you feel unsafe

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It's more that you're like well

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I don't want to dilute an important channel that has a meaningful conversations

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That is not related to that and I don't see it, right?

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Or I don't want to bug someone who is in a channel that thinks it's like wow this one's a merchant or this one's

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You know, right? You just don't ever quite know slack is an endless hole in some companies or a very bare minimum in others, right?

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You never know what to expect and I think it brings up the point of like I really feel like in it

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Especially in an engineering world that it's like if there was a channel that's just like

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Ask for help or just like get help, right?

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That's just so basic that takes away all of the pressure like just everything that that comes with where do I ask a question?

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Where do I put this? How do I ask it? And it's just open-ended like hey

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Oh hitting my mic here because I'm all verbally expressively talking

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Yeah, long story short you get the idea

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Yes, right and it's like we need to make a safe space even though a company isn't necessarily unsafe

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It's just how we think and like how we operate

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We don't want to we don't want to bug our peers when they're in the flow because we've been there, you know

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Absolutely. Yeah, I have a few thoughts on that because I've experienced two very different approaches to try to solve that

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I'd say kind of off the bat. I know that there's a lot of

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Engineers specifically the more experienced ones at my company who will just turn off the presence mode in Slack

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So there's no green bubble. It's it's dark like we don't know if they're online or not. I think that's really closet debts

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For the people who need and sometimes that's me it depends on yep the week probably and the project but

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Block of multi-hour focus you have to do that you either have to turn off slack and

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Log out of it or you have to go dark and proactively open it when you need it

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Otherwise, you're gonna you're gonna see channels that you forgot you were part of you're gonna see

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Mentions that accidentally include you because there's a slack group that you got tagged that you're a part of it's

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Constant, you know that on top of the fact that you may have a phone in your pocket

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It's just an unlimited way unlimited number of ways to reach you that you don't need to distract you

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That'll keep you from getting things done

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so I think that's kind of a simple way to

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Just turn off at times, but so obviously we use slack at shipy him

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Yeah, I think it's a great tool and it works really well for you. Yeah

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It's still a big distraction. So you have to I think you really have to each person has to figure out how to manage

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Their presence in slack at my last company

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company called you avionics

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sense has merged with another company and

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electronics for aviation so generally general aviation

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DPS systems and drone systems and

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Some some other things I probably can't talk about but really cool tech and then I was building the software

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On top of that. So we were building a cloud system that remotely controlled drones

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If you bought it down to one sentence, it was awesome. Hey, that is really cool work. We could talk about that at length

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Obviously, I got this. I had a great few years there

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Then there was the company changed a little bit. There was a merger. Yeah, and at that time I got an awesome opportunity with shipy him

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I've had and the way that they handle

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There are no slack company

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You search through your messages for that one document that you sent somebody a year ago and it becomes your inbox

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And it's not conducive for that. It's not conducive. It's not secure. It's not built for that

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Another inbox that you have to search through and hope that their search function works the way you wanted it to

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I mean, that's kind of what it is for us. So yeah, I think it's been that way everywhere

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I've used it and yeah, I think that's probably the biggest downside to slack is it becomes something it wasn't meant to do

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Yep. Yeah, sure. So not have that was a great benefit of not having it what we did it you have Yonex was

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application that everyone had open at all times and it was you know a small gooey window that I think there's a newer

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competitor that does something similar

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If it's it's it's really funny and and cute in a way

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It shows your little emoji in your office. Yep, and if you're not

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So, you know if somebody's working or not working

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Got it. So is that like VPN based so it's like you're you're logged in and not logged in or do you have to go into the

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gooey login every day

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You have to go in and log in but it's you know, it's a startup application. It just opens

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Kind of the understanding amongst every team was and it's a small company. Everyone's just supposed to be on there

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It has audio and video as a part of the platform

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Channel like immediately is adorable. No, I will say that that part is

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So stressful because you'll hear the little like no notification and and you're in a call with whoever just entered your room

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What like instant you don't get to say no, yeah, no, you can't you can't you can't turn it off unless you close the application

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Do like that. Yeah, so it worked. Okay. It was

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As I said, it was very different model than the big tech for sure lack model and zoom, you know, everything is kind of manual

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That would be a perfect model though

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Not sorry not to just jump in quick

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But that'd be a perfect model if you could just reject and accept the call then it'd be perfect, right?

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Like as long as you give me a chance like hey, I'm in work mode. So I'm actually gonna reject your call like

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Pop in a little follow-up message. Hey, I'm in the deep, right? Like a schedule time with me or whatever, you know

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I don't know and it's it's been a few years. You could probably set those types of things up

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It's I'm sure, you know, I'm sure there's I remember there are notifications

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I don't remember what I all had to click but for sure there was a notification when someone entered your room

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Maybe you had to like I'm sure AI could rebuild this horse

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Very different. So anyway, yeah, I will say that because that

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High in the company other than those exceptions people didn't just jump in like you would DM somebody first

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And there's a chat in it. You would chat and be like, hey, let's let's chat on this if you're free

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and and because it was so instant it was really easy to facilitate those and

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Also, everyone like had that respect of I'm not just gonna jump in and interrupt people everyone's like heads down

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doing their work getting stuff done and

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The the bar I think for interruptions was higher than yeah, like zoom model totally

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and it also forced documentation and

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Like general information to be stored more structured because you didn't have the slack option

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There was no zoom. There was no wiki everything we

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stored was either in a structured document or

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But but not Microsoft anyway, I have a follow-up question for you. Yeah, super different

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I'm like this is beautiful

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What they sort of instill?

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It was beautiful and I'm sitting here and I'm sort of like you're talking about this and I'm like wow

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I wonder and I'd love to hear what you think about this and then we should probably talk about what you do in your day-to-day

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What you wanted and brought AI together and a part of me is sitting here of like are the tools like slack and some of these other

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Ones gonna actually start to get cut out because they do have a ridiculously high price and if it ends up being sort of this

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distraction is there a more efficient way for us to be working and

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At which I'm building so curious what you think of that. Yeah, good question

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Hate to say it but as anything it depends I think totally that's very

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That's the true technical developer answer

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We used Rafauna and Loki and Prometheus at you have me on X which was my choice. I was like, yeah

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In our team meetings like we really don't need to spend

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Version and we have plenty of experience. We'll just set it up

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Technology enterprise customers with the software offering as a service. So, you know, now I'm in B2B sass

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managing I could I could imagine spinning up those open source offerings, but

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Don't have to worry about maintaining it

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They already know how to manage those things and can that's your

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Manage the paid out-of-box solution until maybe we roll our own if we need to I think there's like I

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Feel like now I'm getting on a tangent, but I feel like Netflix has a lot of

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Blogs and like you saw these things happen for them where everything's in-house and

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They rolled their own for like so long and then at some point they moved to AWS

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Because it got too expensive and now they have this mixed model of on-prem

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Roll their own hand rolled stuff, but they still have some things in AWS

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That has been my experience here at shipium. That was my experience at zoo Lily

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Which was where I worked before

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I think things become cost prohibitive

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Where where it was worth

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Eventually you're gonna hit the point where the scale is so big the cost is too much and you go back to using around solution

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That's how all of that these things even got to the place that they're at

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What what my brain is like really?

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Curious about I think is probably the right word is like will AI supplement the ability to build things in-house

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In a way where it will see it more now because I do think that we're seeing

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I'm seeing a lot of hardware stuff, which is super cool and exciting especially after hearing your story. I

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Just like I had a client who was on the path towards robotics and hardware is their main use case and

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Really it was really excited about that. Yeah, but long story short. I think that we're also seeing a shift away from cloud

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But it's not always the answer and so I think that there is I think generally and this is just my own hypothesis both

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In-personal life and professional life. I think humans are questioning everything at this point in time

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What's actually the right answer and we're sort of reforming our own hypothesis on how we want to live and operate?

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Absolutely. Yeah, I agree with everything you said. I don't think I have anything to add but to answer the question about AI

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Absolutely, it's going to help people move more quickly. I

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I'm very close with some people who are on the opposite end of the spectrum of both the crypto and the AI hype cycles

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Live in I'm a cautious person in general so that doesn't help, you know

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I'm not I'm never gonna be all in on the next type cycle

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That means I miss out on some things, but it also means I'm against certain other things like a crypto crash for example, but

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Because by nature what we have in the way of AI right now is not fully predictable and

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Deterministic yep, there's always gonna be a person who has to

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Have the experience to judge what it outputs. Yeah, so

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misleading in my opinion. Yeah, I fully agree. I think it's going to make some things much more

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To your point you can get something out the door

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Maybe much more quickly because it auto completes or it gives you some boilerplate or it gives you ideas about how to structure a class or

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Or a project or it gets rid of your webpack config

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Because you forgot some syntax or some property in the documentation, you know those types of things are great

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It's it's the it has removed the

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Barrier to going and googling something because it already was trained on that information

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Yeah, but because it's not determined properly googling it which has been a major pain point for developers

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I just like it was always a joke in the beginning when you become a developer

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It's like learn to Google things once you learn how to Google stuff exactly once you know how to search for the right things

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You're good to go

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Exactly, so it's a new skill

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How do you ask AI for exactly what you need and not get the wrong answers?

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But you still have to review the code you still have to know what like if you couldn't have written what it gave you

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Then in my opinion you need to go figure out what it gave you

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That's where it comes from is it's the same problem that Stack Overflow and Google gave us but it's

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More scaled now and it comes faster

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Yeah, yep, I agree. Oh wow. This has been such a good conversation and like I haven't even really dove into your day-to-day, so let's let's uh

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Pivoting back to

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Sort of shipy I'm in what you do in your day-to-day. I'd love to hear more about that. Obviously even at zoo Lily

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You know spent some time doing some cool hardware, you know type of stuff, but in software

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I should say you did software in hardware. That's the better way to term it

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So what are you doing today?

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And like what is sort of what are some of the challenges you can share and some of the things that you're thinking about either both?

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Technically from a stack or language standpoint to you know actual sort of challenges that you can share

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Absolutely. Yes, so I am on the front-end team

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Which is great. It's full stack type script. We manage

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What is the UI for shipy them?

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So yeah, we use fastify and some of our services

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We have what's great about being a startup is we get to explore what the best tool for pretty much every job

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Is and decide on that how to solve it. So that's really great

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We're a pretty senior team, which is good

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So I could spend I could spend a day doing DevOps work and fixing or building pipelines to get deployments out

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But I also might spend my day building components in a react library or

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Or just general, you know building a new page for our front-end

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and then all the way down to no JS and

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That pass UI traffic through to back-end services on other teams, which is a pretty common like orchestration pattern

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so we have a few different models there but

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DevOps work whether it's AWS services or

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basically tell it what to do and then you have either bash scripts or

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Eventually it ends up in AWS toasted infrastructure, which the list is you know in long

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So that's like the tech answer

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In terms of what we're doing the main UI that we offer is called our partner console

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Set up multi carrier accounts things like FedEx and DHL and UPS and USPS and CDL, you know, there's a list

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Yeah, many long. I I don't know if I can say how many we support but you can imagine hundreds of thousands of

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But you can imagine hundreds that exist in just the United States and for sure we are now outside of the US so we have a huge offering of carriers that we support

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There's some mapping code that they can look at a map and see where on the map their different fulfillment centers are and how they interact with each other

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So, you know, a lot of code to handle all those different things. Some of it we go anywhere from like boilerplate form code all the way to mapping and charts and reporting and

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It's very data intensive because we're dealing with huge volumes of shipments and carrier interactions and and tracking of course, which is event based you get tons of events and all of that has to be

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Analyzed and touched by back end systems and and then eventually UI does some type of presentation, whether it's not port or changing what they actually want to be configured around those fulfillment centers and

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Network operations or generating like on the fly reporting based on historical data. That's that's kind of one pretty wide reaching part of our business. We have another product called simulation, which has been really popular with customers. We're basically using

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In number of historical shipments or or fulfillment locations, etc, etc. Things like

439
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Things like delivery times and like times and transit between two locations, all of that data comes into play. They can input that data into our system and then use it to simulate future results. So, that's cool.

440
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:22,520
Yeah, like at its most basic description, they're inputting tons of historical data and they get reports and and analysis on what it will look like for the next month for the next six months for the next year.

441
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:44,520
That's helpful. Hey, so like the big a big use would be like I want to change one thing. Let's say I want to open up a new warehouse in Nevada. And I want to see what it's going to look like if I add that to my fulfillment network and then push a million shipments through it.

442
00:36:44,520 --> 00:37:06,520
They put that into the system. They see what rate shopping might look like. You know what kind of prices based on historical data what kind of prices might I get from my big carrier accounts and where can I save money. Where am I going to lose money. How can I make adjustments to my entire network so that I'm maybe

443
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:23,520
My profitable. Yeah, off the top of my head. Maybe you want to save a dollar per yeah, or 1000 shipments or something something random. You can make a bunch of tweaks and see what it might look like based on the data that you've seen in the past.

444
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:49,520
And it's I mean it's easy money, you know, make changes to your network. You don't have to enforce those changes you can simulate what it might look like. And that's repeatable. And you found a way to save millions of dollars. Okay, let's put it. Let's make it live. Let's configure this new fulfillment network or let's add a new carrier account or we're going to change the prioritization of a certain shipping method.

445
00:37:49,520 --> 00:38:02,520
All that kind of stuff which people historically would do with Excel files or you know in on the data scientists and floor data science. Yeah, running models in in house.

446
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:18,520
Now they can just do a simulation which you know does take some work, but they can see it without affecting their bottom line immediately. Yeah, for sure. And then now they know what the changes could look like they can put it into production and have that knowledge and save money.

447
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:29,520
So a lot of it is cost savings and it's huge because when you get to a scale of millions of shipments, it only takes a few cents and you're saving millions of dollars.

448
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:44,520
Right. And on top of that, it sounds like if they care about this, not that all companies do, but if they care about this customer service can also be an element of this right so you could start to preconfigure how do we get shipments into customers hands quicker or

449
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:58,520
in a more efficient way right if they're just down the street why are we sending it all the way to the next metro city through the US Postal Service when it can go through a local service. Yeah, dang. I love that. Okay, very cool.

450
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:18,520
Yeah, so that's that's most of what we do. There's we have some other products to your point about delivery guarantees, estimated delivery dates, because of the quantity of data and the fact that we have models running around that.

451
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We have found that we can make we have a basically our whole business model is around a delivery promise.

452
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:39,520
You as a customer you as a business should be able to promise your customers when things are going to be delivered and using carrier data. Yeah, that historically is not possible carriers.

453
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:58,520
The big carriers have time and transit data that they update frequently and basically gives you an estimate of days between certain zip codes. You can imagine a huge Excel file going from zip code in California to zip code in Boston.

454
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:15,520
Without thinking about anything going on in the economics or societal world either. Exactly. And because we have more data and can run it through models, and we have it spread across many carriers, we are a lot more accurate.

455
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:27,520
And so that's a huge, huge part of it is your customers want to know when they're going to get a package. They want to get it fast and they also want to want it to be right. And so that's a huge part of our offering is you can do that.

456
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:33,520
And with just just carrier data, you miss that a lot.

457
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:35,520
Yeah. Wow.

458
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:37,520
Okay, super cool.

459
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:45,520
I'm trying to think where to even take that there that is it. That's fun.

460
00:40:47,520 --> 00:41:04,520
Okay, hold on trying to think through my normal questions. I have sick foggy brain. Okay, so is there are there. Have there been any major technical challenges that you've had to solve and if so, what was your path to solving them.

461
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:14,520
You don't have to explain all the tech obviously there's some proprietary things you obviously can't share. But curious more about your problem solving technique and then you know how you sort of landed at that resolution.

462
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:16,520
Sure.

463
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:19,520
I know that's a hard question.

464
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:25,520
Sometimes it's crystal clear and sometimes it's like what every single day I don't know which one you want to talk about.

465
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:41,520
Absolutely. Yeah, I will. So I have a number of answers that come up. I will say that I'm not sure if I can share most of them, but I will say I think we actually have a public case study with MongoDB.

466
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:49,520
And that has been a huge positive for us we use Mongo pretty heavily and

467
00:41:49,520 --> 00:42:02,520
Just to be on the safe side, I won't go into a ton of detail, but we have had to change the way that we scale Mongo behind the scenes.

468
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:05,520
And yeah, I can imagine their data.

469
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:22,520
Yeah, I mean, we've had to solve what would basically be a system design question in most interviews because we're running at that level of scale. And that's been a pretty interesting problem. A lot of that started as I was joining and then has continued but

470
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:42,520
Databases as a whole don't deal with huge quantities of data. I mean, you can choose any database. Yeah, they aren't really mostly built to scale into the hundreds of millions end up and up.

471
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So we've had to do things like sharding things change the way that we store data offload workloads do things asynchronously.

472
00:42:56,520 --> 00:43:05,520
Those have been really interesting problems. I will say that my team isn't doing most of those but we're certainly involved.

473
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:16,520
Mostly back end teams dealing with that kind of thing. But that's probably the most relevant interesting thing I can think of that I know for sure I can talk about.

474
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:19,520
Yeah, well, I love that you brought that up.

475
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:29,520
I think Mongo has like there's some great people over there and they have a really great product and I think not to speak poorly at all about them. I think it's they're great. Right.

476
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:40,520
I wanted to say most because I do think that it's it's kind of interesting and I love this is the reason I love these conversations is like the more that developers can have these conversations the more we can learn about different technologies and different solutions.

477
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:46,520
So when I said most in my head I was like you got to check out Harper DB which is one of my clients.

478
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:54,520
And it's it's just one of those things right of like we all have these different technology technological challenges. Let's see if I can talk this morning.

479
00:43:54,520 --> 00:44:00,520
But we have different ways that we solve them right we have an investment that we make to different tools. So we continue to make those investments.

480
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:18,520
Then there are other tools that do you know sort of the same jobs but differently we're like on pre show I was telling you about Harper DB because for that reason is that they actually specialize in extremely scalable databases with expansive data for e-commerce specifically.

481
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:33,520
And I won't get into the whole tech stack mostly because I don't fully understand it. But I what I do understand and know is just how it operates in its infrastructure and that it can actually do that read data extremely quickly because what you can do is actually through just modern job script.

482
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:47,520
Go in and actually set where you want these various cash layers to exist so it'll pull in that data supply it for you maintain that data and sort of work through different operations at which it can essentially make it more performant.

483
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:57,520
There's a lot more to it but I just wanted to drop that there I don't get a chance to talk about my clients very frequently especially when it's like a very nerdy nerdy nerdy niche use case like this.

484
00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:08,520
But still nonetheless I think it's awesome that your team has also realized this is a challenge and solved it through MongoDB which if anyone has used that right beautiful tool to use as well.

485
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:12,520
So many tools in our toolboxes.

486
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:25,520
Yeah no that's cool I haven't heard of Harper DB I'll definitely check them out do you happen to know are they like brand new from scratch they built their own database are they backed by a specific platform.

487
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:26,520
Can you say any of that.

488
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:45,520
Yeah so okay I would say it if I could if I knew all of it but like you know it's it's that thing of like I know what I know but I don't want to speak to the exact stack at which it was built some things I have context on but long story short they're not new they were actually a client of mine like way back in like

489
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2020 when I was living in Denver they're out of Denver they met me then and they were very early and so at that early stage they were more like a Mongo competitor but still had this efficiency in this performance focus.

490
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:04,520
And so I was helping them with just Devereaux so it was mostly coaching guiding their team on sort of how to build up a developer brand.

491
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:15,520
And then they re tapped in because I asked them for a quote for my business this last year and basically the CEO was like we got to bring it back to us like if this is what she's doing which Stephen shout out to you you're awesome.

492
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:17,520
Appreciate the love.

493
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:46,520
Yeah but now they have found tons of enterprise success like with fortune very low that I cannot mention and been able to do that through this enterprise approach but they very much need the developer self serve love and so that's actually what we're working on now is like improving those docs improving that experience so that a developer like you who is still building these beautiful enterprise you know extremely kind of cutting edge technology solutions for the enterprise can still find those tools and so that is why they are a client but

494
00:46:47,520 --> 00:47:01,520
I can get you the answer in the infrastructure because there is a couple sort of one proprietary bit that's in there that's I think it's lime something but I'll get you the the actual specs on it.

495
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:13,520
It's funny because this week I'm diving into building sort of a to tutorial and kind of a little like example to like show devs. This is the aha moment that makes them different from another database right.

496
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:23,520
And so that's a pretty fun project so yeah anyways let's digress about me just you know spill in on my clients but I do think it's a beautiful opportunity when I can talk about it.

497
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:25,520
Yeah that's great.

498
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:39,520
Yeah OK so we got to talk about a lot of personal life stuff to I try to end these at 1045 but it like never happens I tried for 1030 in the beginning that was crazy and I'm talking central I'm not as lucky as you're in Eastern so yeah exactly.

499
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I would love if you're open to it to talk about your personal life and just some of your beliefs and how that comes into play.

500
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:53,520
I believe what you believe fundamentally I think we didn't talk about every single value and moral.

501
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:55,520
Sure.

502
00:47:56,520 --> 00:48:01,520
Anyways if you're open to it I would just love to talk about sort of personal life and how I think that played into your decisions to join shipy.

503
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:03,520
I'm in you know the goodness you shared in the pre show.

504
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:07,520
Absolutely yes no we'd love to talk about it so.

505
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:08,520
I'm a Bible believing Christian.

506
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:19,520
Obviously we didn't talk about the specifics in the pre show and we don't need to but because you know how many things that could mean these days Christianity could be.

507
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:26,520
It's any number of things after you dive into it but we we try to follow the Bible in our household and.

508
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:51,520
You know it means we have a moral standard and you know it colors how we raise our children and for sure it helps me decide where I'm going to work who I'm going to work with you know how I'm going to behave and interact with other people you know having respect for colleagues.

509
00:48:51,520 --> 00:49:11,520
I think to answer your question about how I ended up joining shipy I think my biggest the biggest weight that I play or that I place on a new company decision is around the people and same.

510
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:20,520
Luckily I already knew a lot of the people at shipy we worked together as Zulily and the opportunity came up at a perfect time.

511
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:47,520
But having those relationships and that level of respect already having worked together as Zulily and you know starting the conversation about the opportunities they had for me was pretty much a no brainer it was very easy to join already had you know a mutual trust and knowledge of skills and what we could do together and so.

512
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:56,520
Yeah I love I'm all in on the tech and and the software offering and the company and our mission.

513
00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:09,520
And you know I have my supply chain now which is in on one hand hilarious but you know also you know I'm all in on it so it's it's a cool thing but but the reason I joined is because of the people.

514
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:16,520
Yeah it's a great team my small team my individual front and team is great there's.

515
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:28,520
We're as I said we're pretty senior heavy which is always fun you know everyone has a lot that they can offer and a wide variety of different experiences none of us is.

516
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:45,520
Each of us has some expertise in areas that others don't which which is great for working together and then across the company we have such a wide ranging level of experience a lot of people from Amazon a lot of people from Zulily.

517
00:50:45,520 --> 00:51:12,520
Pretty deep supply chain roots so everyone has amazing for the most part everyone has been in supply chain for many years if not many decades so you know the problems that we're solving have either already been solved in the past by these people in different ways or the solutions are in some ways known or the problems are known and therefore we can do a good job of providing the solutions.

518
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:18,520
So it's really cool you you learn a lot kind of all the time if you know where to look and where to listen.

519
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:24,520
But definitely came here for the people and have stayed because of the people.

520
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:27,520
Yeah I love that.

521
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:32,520
I think you know and you and I talked about this in pre show and I'll very openly say this is like I've been a.

522
00:51:32,520 --> 00:52:01,520
I mean I've been a Christian my whole life but only because God's been chasing me which is a whole nother beautiful story that I've absolutely love and love to share but most recently within the last like five years have been like oh hey I see you chasing me I got you and have reciprocated and definitely try to live by the Bible as well I'd like to say it's a progressive version it's not necessarily progressive progressive but I think it's it's my version that just puts everyone's heart first right it's like that's like the love my neighbors like that is how it works.

523
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:06,520
That's what I try to live by right and so I think that in tech.

524
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:19,520
You know it's not always easy to talk about these things I have been very judged for my you know Christianic beliefs and understand it right we all have different understandings of different groups and what have you.

525
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:45,520
But I just I feel like it's it's sort of time to you know maybe stop hiding it as much as I have been and unveiling it just because I really think that it's it is who I am and if someone does respect or enjoy you know being around me it doesn't mean they have to be a Christian but if I can help someone you know find their way if that's the way or find their way because maybe it's the other way like that's all my heart cares about and so I just thought it was a.

526
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:55,520
You came in and it's just very serendipitous the last few last few of my guests and also been believers and so I don't know in my heart there's just there's something here that's like hey.

527
00:52:56,520 --> 00:53:08,520
Yes, you know we can be somewhat labeled but I'd like to believe the ones of us who are truly the the I don't want to say that we're even good believers but we are the true disciples right.

528
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:13,520
We're on the good side and I'd love nothing more than the whole world to just love each other so.

529
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:20,520
Yeah, the disciple is a fun word that that was kind of taboo in the 90s and 2000s people.

530
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:22,520
Oh yeah.

531
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:39,520
Just yeah it was disciple saying saying disciple was different than Christian and they're I mean they're not different it's just kind of the label we gave that word for so long but disciple of Jesus is a follower of Jesus but I totally agree with what you said.

532
00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:50,520
Like there's there shouldn't be a reason to hide these things in the same way that you shouldn't hide your other beliefs I mean if you're not a Christian you have some type of belief system.

533
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:52,520
Yeah, feel free to share that.

534
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:54,520
Absolutely.

535
00:53:54,520 --> 00:54:09,520
What's tough is the I think I mean this is a whole can of worms but I think it is our country the United States claims to be founded on the Christian ideal.

536
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:26,520
That's a deep conversation. Yeah, but the the our country is not Christian just because everyone likes to talk about the fact that they have a Bible or that God we trust.

537
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:41,520
Yeah, yeah, in God we trust you know one nation under God which has probably been removed from a lot of schools but you know whatever whether or not that's in the school doesn't affect our discipleship or our Christianity.

538
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:55,520
But you know those types of things where we have tried to first mix church and state but then also like claim that our country is Christian and that God loves America.

539
00:54:56,520 --> 00:54:57,520
That's not how God operates.

540
00:54:58,520 --> 00:54:59,520
Yeah, yeah.

541
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:01,520
Pick up the Bible.

542
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:29,520
God is way outside and way bigger than our man made political divides and political ideas and you know two party system and our small little country in the you know, expanse of an 8 billion person planet like it's it's so contrived and and egotistical to say that like we're God's country because that's just

543
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:44,520
That's not how God operates. God wants us. He wants a relationship with us and you can find out a lot about God's character and Jesus's character in the Bible, but it's not going to talk about America and

544
00:55:44,520 --> 00:56:07,520
I think that's part of like what has turned so many people off to people talking about the Bible talking about Jesus or talking about Christianity in the workplace or just in life in general is those things have become mixed and we've applied.

545
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:21,520
We've pulled the God card in places that should not have been pulled. God is not our tool. We God made us if you believe if you believe in God and you believe in what the Bible says about him.

546
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:41,520
Then he is not your tool to use and direct it's it's it's so backwards and you know that's turned into things like hate and things like people call it judgment or feel judged or

547
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:59,520
Just the those those exceptions that have given such a bad name to God are not what God has intended for his creation. He did not make us to

548
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:14,520
Tear other people down and I mean to your point he did not Jesus Jesus said that the number two the number one and number two commands love God with all your heart love your neighbor as yourself and if you watch those were the most important exactly.

549
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:38,520
I mean yeah to have to have the son of God if you believe that wash his disciples feet is such a perfect metaphor for how God expects us to treat other people and yeah I think in some ways we've lost that and other ways it was never there in a lot of yeah yeah.

550
00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:57,520
I think in the times that you're talking about it was never there right they were using what I think is cultural Christianity to sort of validate decisions and things that were made because it likely was you know deeper in the roots and we can have a whole conversation because there's always been some toxic form of Christianity right that's even in the Bible it's like immediate and it happens.

551
00:57:57,520 --> 00:58:14,520
Yeah, I think that my my daughter I feel like if you are I mean obviously there are those that you know don't believe in you know the Jesus kind of side of things and still write our fundamentals are still in the same place we still believe that you know there is there is God but my daughter has this adorable book.

552
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:17,520
I can't remember his call but I will see if I can put in the show notes.

553
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:34,520
It almost makes me like one cracks it's such a beautiful book that basically it's kids book and it's like yeah it's so good and so it's like it talks about why why God's beautiful plan is essentially the whole premise of the book and so it talks about how God had this plan to create all of these humans to put them on earth together so that they could love each other they could.

554
00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:39,520
Repopulate we would live in community we would live together supporting one another.

555
00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:51,520
And then it talks about how God's plan has been destroyed essentially and how people don't live in community they don't love each other's neighbors and it's such a clear visual for children right boom like whoa.

556
00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:55,520
This is obviously not the intended purpose of this world and his creation.

557
00:58:55,520 --> 00:59:10,520
And then it speaks to like Jesus coming back and what Jesus did and how much he gives you know for his people and how he goes back right because the whole presence you know obviously precedent of Jesus coming back is like to to allow us to feel.

558
00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:26,520
I think some of the intensity that we felt in all the generations but most recently I think around this like being perfect to the no sinning like we absolutely can't send and I think obviously that's why Jesus came back this why we have the New Testament right we've got a bit more of forgiveness like God realize that we are sinning humans.

559
00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:35,520
And so the book speaks to that and then essentially comes back and it's like one day obviously like if you've read the Bible you know that there's a day when Jesus is going to come back for us and.

560
00:59:35,520 --> 00:59:48,520
But essentially the book talks about it doesn't matter what stage that you're in it doesn't matter where you're at like God's beautiful plan was for us to live together until love each other and I think it's just every time I read it and I read it with my kids quite a bit it's like just a little tier.

561
00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:53,520
Because that like that's the world like I want to see us living in and I just.

562
00:59:53,520 --> 01:00:08,520
Yeah and I feel like more than anything that I think those of us who believe that and whose hearts are in that space. I just think it's important for us to talk about that because I don't care what you look like or your values or who you are or the decisions that you've made in your past.

563
01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:14,520
I care about you feeling loved and you giving love for the rest of whatever your life looks like you know.

564
01:00:14,520 --> 01:00:25,520
Yeah absolutely yeah I totally agree I think you think about how Jesus treated people and you know some of this is I think where we can miss the mark Jesus.

565
01:00:26,520 --> 01:00:38,520
There's well I don't know I feel like I grew up knowing how hard Jesus was on the Pharisees and yeah and what your Christianity is tough you know in certain places yes yeah.

566
01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:50,520
Exactly and you read about him overturning tables in the temple and you read about him calling the Pharisees of Brutus Vipers and I mean he rebukes them time and time again.

567
01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:54,520
But I feel like and maybe this was just me but.

568
01:00:56,520 --> 01:01:05,520
As a young kid I missed the fact that those are the teachers of the law who agree.

569
01:01:05,520 --> 01:01:09,520
With who God is and we're trying to follow God to the best of their ability.

570
01:01:10,520 --> 01:01:13,520
Therefore it was right for Jesus to call them to that higher status.

571
01:01:14,520 --> 01:01:25,520
But who are we to ask our atheist co worker or our agnostic friend or our.

572
01:01:25,520 --> 01:01:36,520
You know the Jew in our neighborhood expect them to follow the standard that we believe right.

573
01:01:37,520 --> 01:01:43,520
That's not what God has asked us to do and the whole Old Testament is that story.

574
01:01:44,520 --> 01:01:49,520
God's people are separate and holy set apart and he asks them to follow a standard.

575
01:01:49,520 --> 01:01:55,520
And they're especially in I believe Deuteronomy it talks about welcoming in the foreigner.

576
01:01:56,520 --> 01:01:59,520
You need to welcome in the foreigner and invite them into your community.

577
01:02:00,520 --> 01:02:05,520
But they are in the same way that we live in today's society.

578
01:02:06,520 --> 01:02:10,520
We are expecting them we should not be expecting them to live to the standard that they didn't sign up.

579
01:02:11,520 --> 01:02:12,520
Yes yes.

580
01:02:12,520 --> 01:02:27,520
We are Christians and part of our discipleship is to make other disciples and is to teach them how God wants to love them and how he wants them to love others.

581
01:02:28,520 --> 01:02:34,520
And so evangelism and sharing that message is a part of our life.

582
01:02:35,520 --> 01:02:40,520
But expecting somebody to live to that standard if they haven't signed up for it is not.

583
01:02:40,520 --> 01:02:41,520
Yep.

584
01:02:42,520 --> 01:02:43,520
I love that so much.

585
01:02:44,520 --> 01:02:58,520
And I think that's that is a likely where I think a lot of hate has come into you know this kind of side of religious views right as the sort of expectations of I believe this so you should believe this and I think it's very crystal clear in the Bible that like that is not what we are are supposed to be doing right.

586
01:02:59,520 --> 01:03:08,520
We are supposed to be loving if it's a fellow Christian different situation right but we are supposed to be loving and welcoming exactly because they're the same standard as ours.

587
01:03:08,520 --> 01:03:20,520
Well I could keep talking about this for like a long time I am so appreciative to the listeners who have stuck by this part whether you believe or you don't believe I still love you.

588
01:03:21,520 --> 01:03:34,520
And I think that's the beauty of it right and that's that's you know for me is like every single day it's a fight to be more like Jesus and I just need that reminder of like hey maybe I just have to go wash some feet.

589
01:03:34,520 --> 01:03:36,520
Absolutely Wilson and agreed.

590
01:03:37,520 --> 01:03:38,520
Okay.

591
01:03:39,520 --> 01:03:50,520
Before we go shipy um and don't mind my like little tear I really I like the Holy Spirit really lives in me so like anything related to this that there's emotions with it and it's beautiful.

592
01:03:51,520 --> 01:03:52,520
Very beautiful.

593
01:03:53,520 --> 01:03:54,520
It's great.

594
01:03:55,520 --> 01:04:01,520
Anyways, um shipy um they you okay let me rephrase this they might be hiring would you would you like to tell us about that.

595
01:04:01,520 --> 01:04:03,520
Absolutely awesome let's let's talk about that.

596
01:04:04,520 --> 01:04:05,520
Yes.

597
01:04:06,520 --> 01:04:11,520
My team specifically is hiring we're looking for a front end developer to type script stack.

598
01:04:12,520 --> 01:04:20,520
We're open to it's a remote position is a pretty like I mean I'm biased it's a pretty awesome gig.

599
01:04:20,520 --> 01:04:32,520
The position is amazing the team is great very collaborative very kind thoughtful team and unfairly experienced if I do say so.

600
01:04:33,520 --> 01:04:35,520
So a stacked load of mentors.

601
01:04:36,520 --> 01:04:37,520
Love it.

602
01:04:37,520 --> 01:05:05,520
Yes and and we get we have a ton of autonomy and a lot of freedom we are constantly evaluating new technology new solutions and I mean the handful of us on the team get to decide our fate so it's it's a really cool spot to be in and you don't need supply chain experience but of course that does help but we're really looking for the front end experience and.

603
01:05:07,520 --> 01:05:14,520
Most of that is type script whether it's no JS or react you're gonna spend a lot of time okay awesome.

604
01:05:15,520 --> 01:05:22,520
What other like are you looking for a specific experience level I know that's kind of a little that's a hard question it sort of depends but you know.

605
01:05:23,520 --> 01:05:27,520
Let's fill in a couple other spots so maybe there's some folks that would better understand hey that's a good role for me.

606
01:05:29,520 --> 01:05:30,520
Yes it is.

607
01:05:32,520 --> 01:05:34,520
I would categorize it as a mid level position.

608
01:05:34,520 --> 01:05:37,520
This is not going to be somebody who has.

609
01:05:39,520 --> 01:05:42,520
Decades of senior level experience.

610
01:05:43,520 --> 01:06:00,520
But we it's probably also not fresh out of college but I will say there's not a specific like rule around that we're just looking for somebody who has either a ton of hunger and.

611
01:06:00,520 --> 01:06:01,520
An aptitude.

612
01:06:02,520 --> 01:06:04,520
And or somebody who has.

613
01:06:05,520 --> 01:06:18,520
A handful of years or really good quality experience I love that answer that's amazing okay fabulous I will link that in the show notes so I'll have you send that to me.

614
01:06:19,520 --> 01:06:24,520
And share with with the listeners here and anyone who might listen in the future this will also go and.

615
01:06:24,520 --> 01:06:29,520
I think it's if you click on my profile I think I have it linked as well but also perfect you.

616
01:06:30,520 --> 01:06:32,520
To the job listing awesome well we will get that added either way.

617
01:06:33,520 --> 01:06:37,520
Where can folks find you if they would like to chat with you or reach out to you directly.

618
01:06:38,520 --> 01:06:44,520
Absolutely so this I'm kind of new to being terminally.

619
01:06:45,520 --> 01:06:50,520
But I have I have linked and of course I do have a Twitter X account.

620
01:06:50,520 --> 01:06:54,520
And I don't know what else exists these days I guess my Instagram is private so probably don't.

621
01:06:55,520 --> 01:07:06,520
But I believe I am Alex C Burke on everything that I have so LinkedIn X GitHub.

622
01:07:07,520 --> 01:07:09,520
That's the use for devs honestly.

623
01:07:10,520 --> 01:07:17,520
Yeah that's probably the only place you need to look but I do own my domain I just don't really use it Alex C Burke everywhere.

624
01:07:17,520 --> 01:07:19,520
I love that.

625
01:07:20,520 --> 01:07:23,520
This has been an amazing conversation thank you everyone for sticking with us a little bit later today.

626
01:07:24,520 --> 01:07:37,520
Honestly we've had an influx of viewers not a departure so that's a beautiful thing so thank you so much for being on the show Alex has been such a great conversation I am eternally grateful that you are now in my inner circle.

627
01:07:39,520 --> 01:07:42,520
Totally agree it was great to meet you test that as an excellent conversation.

628
01:07:43,520 --> 01:07:44,520
Yes it's absolutely do it again.

629
01:07:44,520 --> 01:07:50,520
All right folks we're signing off throw up some prayers for me that I can keep things where they're supposed to be.

630
01:07:51,520 --> 01:07:52,520
Start getting better.

631
01:07:53,520 --> 01:07:54,520
Definitely yes.

632
01:07:55,520 --> 01:07:56,520
All right have a great day.

633
01:07:56,520 --> 01:08:14,520
Bye y'all have a great day.