WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:02.759 He ate this entire thing of meat with his hands 00:00:02.759 --> 00:00:06.900 and he did not wipe his fingers. He, I was watching. 00:00:07.000 --> 00:00:09.099 I'm kind of a neat freak when it comes to eating. 00:00:09.179 --> 00:00:11.740 Like I'm always wiping my hands after ribs or 00:00:11.740 --> 00:00:13.939 something. He doesn't do that. He literally, 00:00:14.039 --> 00:00:16.960 he doesn't lick his fingers. He doesn't do anything. 00:00:17.140 --> 00:00:19.739 He just gets his coat and goes on. And from that 00:00:19.739 --> 00:00:22.120 point on, I was like, I can't with this man. 00:00:22.260 --> 00:00:25.160 He's going around with sticky meat fingers. You 00:00:25.160 --> 00:00:26.719 know what, Vincent? He doesn't have to conform 00:00:26.719 --> 00:00:45.829 to your rules. Hello and welcome to Camp Kaiju 00:00:45.829 --> 00:00:48.829 Monster Movie Podcast. We're your hosts, Matt 00:00:48.829 --> 00:00:51.929 Levine. 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The end 00:01:41.939 --> 00:02:29.909 of life. Toma! Pegue o dinheiro do chão! Vamos! 00:02:57.960 --> 00:03:00.979 Hey Vincent, how's it going? Hey Matt, good. 00:03:01.280 --> 00:03:03.979 How you doing? I'm doing well, thank you. I'm 00:03:03.979 --> 00:03:05.979 especially excited. Tonight we're talking about 00:03:05.979 --> 00:03:08.500 a very interesting movie called At Midnight I'll 00:03:08.500 --> 00:03:11.259 Take Your Soul, a Brazilian movie, some would 00:03:11.259 --> 00:03:14.120 say the first Brazilian horror movie from 1964, 00:03:14.340 --> 00:03:18.080 and extra excited because we have a special guest 00:03:18.080 --> 00:03:20.620 on the episode tonight. Hello again to Frank 00:03:20.620 --> 00:03:24.979 Olson. Hello. How you doing, Frank? I'm doing 00:03:24.979 --> 00:03:29.090 okay. Awesome. Thank you again for joining us, 00:03:29.169 --> 00:03:31.770 Frank. Longtime listeners will know Frank well, 00:03:31.969 --> 00:03:34.610 all the Frankaholics out there. I feel like this, 00:03:34.710 --> 00:03:36.969 I'm pretty sure this is the first episode that 00:03:36.969 --> 00:03:38.870 you've joined this season. So it's good to have 00:03:38.870 --> 00:03:41.610 you back, Frank. Yeah. Yeah. The last one I was 00:03:41.610 --> 00:03:44.069 on, not counting like the year on special was 00:03:44.069 --> 00:03:48.669 when we did The Addiction last year. So yeah, 00:03:48.710 --> 00:03:50.550 that was like toward the end of the last season. 00:03:51.270 --> 00:03:54.689 Yeah. Cool. Yeah. Interesting vampire movie. 00:03:54.789 --> 00:03:57.819 Good conversation. A lot of like. religious themes 00:03:57.819 --> 00:03:59.919 in that one i guess we'll have some more maybe 00:03:59.919 --> 00:04:01.860 more anti -religious themes tonight that we'll 00:04:01.860 --> 00:04:03.979 talk about but yeah it would be a pretty good 00:04:03.979 --> 00:04:06.219 double feature actually these two movies i think 00:04:06.219 --> 00:04:09.800 it would be yeah yeah i feel like this might 00:04:09.800 --> 00:04:12.159 be admin i don't take your soul might be a good 00:04:12.159 --> 00:04:14.860 double feature with alu karda as well which we 00:04:14.860 --> 00:04:17.399 talked about on the podcast so it's been kind 00:04:17.399 --> 00:04:19.939 of fun we've been doing like globe trotting monster 00:04:19.939 --> 00:04:22.360 movies this season i feel like that was maybe 00:04:22.360 --> 00:04:24.120 a little bit unintentional but it's worked out 00:04:24.120 --> 00:04:26.490 well so far Yeah, so again, tonight we'll be 00:04:26.490 --> 00:04:28.889 going to Brazil to talk about At Midnight I'll 00:04:28.889 --> 00:04:31.230 Take Your Soul. 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I feel like that 00:05:08.079 --> 00:05:09.819 list has grown a little bit since last time. 00:05:10.240 --> 00:05:12.540 It hasn't, but it feels like it, doesn't it? 00:05:13.680 --> 00:05:15.899 That's okay. That's awesome. Thank you all so 00:05:15.899 --> 00:05:18.160 much. We really appreciate your support. Couldn't 00:05:18.160 --> 00:05:21.389 do it without you. Honestly, thank you. So yeah, 00:05:21.449 --> 00:05:24.629 as always on Camp Kaji, we do a special little 00:05:24.629 --> 00:05:27.290 thing today around this time in monster movie 00:05:27.290 --> 00:05:30.009 history, calling out a couple horror monster 00:05:30.009 --> 00:05:32.829 movies that have been made throughout cinematic 00:05:32.829 --> 00:05:36.129 history. So I have kind of a long list of monster 00:05:36.129 --> 00:05:38.149 movies that have come out around early April. 00:05:38.730 --> 00:05:41.149 Do any of those titles stand out to you guys? 00:05:41.170 --> 00:05:43.350 Frank, you can go first if you'd like. Well, 00:05:43.449 --> 00:05:45.949 a title that stands out to me, although I don't 00:05:45.949 --> 00:05:47.769 know anything about this movie, is The Ghost 00:05:47.769 --> 00:05:51.149 in the Invisible Bikini. That is a wild title. 00:05:52.170 --> 00:05:54.170 But in terms of a movie I actually know something 00:05:54.170 --> 00:05:56.889 about, that's an interesting movie. The Thousand 00:05:56.889 --> 00:06:01.430 Eyes of Dr. Mabuse from 1960, which is the last 00:06:01.430 --> 00:06:06.209 of Fritz Lang's three Dr. Mabuse films, and also 00:06:06.209 --> 00:06:08.490 his last film before he died that he directed. 00:06:09.629 --> 00:06:11.759 But I guess I'll... bring that one up because 00:06:11.759 --> 00:06:13.699 one of the first episodes I was on with you guys 00:06:13.699 --> 00:06:16.279 was years ago. We did the second movie in that 00:06:16.279 --> 00:06:18.660 series, the Testament of Dr. Mabuse, which is 00:06:18.660 --> 00:06:21.720 one of my favorite movies, but the thousand eyes 00:06:21.720 --> 00:06:24.319 is not quite as good as that, but it's, it's 00:06:24.319 --> 00:06:28.759 very interesting. It's kind of an update of the, 00:06:28.879 --> 00:06:32.379 just the idea of that Dr. Mabuse character being 00:06:32.379 --> 00:06:35.339 this kind of like all like borderline omnipotent 00:06:35.339 --> 00:06:38.759 super villain. And in this one, it's more like 00:06:38.759 --> 00:06:40.839 he's doing a lot of video surveillance stuff. 00:06:40.939 --> 00:06:44.060 So it's kind of been updated for the era it came 00:06:44.060 --> 00:06:48.180 out. And it's a really interesting movie. It 00:06:48.180 --> 00:06:51.699 makes me wonder, you know, if somebody were to 00:06:51.699 --> 00:06:54.639 do a Dr. Mabuse movie today, incorporating like 00:06:54.639 --> 00:06:57.420 modern technology, like the internet or social 00:06:57.420 --> 00:07:01.779 media or whatever, how, you know, how they could 00:07:01.779 --> 00:07:05.160 kind of expand on those themes. Yeah, I'm so 00:07:05.160 --> 00:07:07.199 glad you called out that movie. I love that movie. 00:07:07.240 --> 00:07:09.519 I saw it last year for the first time. I was 00:07:09.519 --> 00:07:12.600 also thinking of Mabusa. I feel like this might 00:07:12.600 --> 00:07:14.699 be kind of a stretch, but I feel like a similarity 00:07:14.699 --> 00:07:18.100 between Mabusa and Coffin Joe, who we'll be talking 00:07:18.100 --> 00:07:20.360 about later tonight, is that they're not really 00:07:20.360 --> 00:07:23.139 monsters, but it's sort of on the verge of men 00:07:23.139 --> 00:07:26.660 slash monsters. They don't have a lot of supernatural 00:07:26.660 --> 00:07:31.500 abilities, but still something kind of, I don't 00:07:31.500 --> 00:07:34.529 know. paranormal almost is going on. So there's 00:07:34.529 --> 00:07:36.290 kind of a connection there. Maybe there's a, 00:07:36.350 --> 00:07:39.750 for sure a supernatural element. Yeah. Whether 00:07:39.750 --> 00:07:42.370 or not, but, but whether or not it's in their 00:07:42.370 --> 00:07:46.910 head or in reality there, we can have a debate, 00:07:47.050 --> 00:07:50.610 but there's certainly some spooky things going 00:07:50.610 --> 00:07:54.050 on. Yeah. I think that the climax of the movie 00:07:54.050 --> 00:07:56.069 and what ultimately happens to coffin Joe is 00:07:56.069 --> 00:07:58.310 a little bit similar actually to the first Dr. 00:07:58.470 --> 00:08:02.000 Mabuse movie, Dr. Mabuse, the gambler. you know, 00:08:02.000 --> 00:08:05.420 from way back in the silent era, you know, which 00:08:05.420 --> 00:08:08.160 that movie, you know, spoiler alerts from a movie 00:08:08.160 --> 00:08:10.639 that's over a hundred years old, but at the end 00:08:10.639 --> 00:08:13.100 of that movie, like the ghosts of a lot of the 00:08:13.100 --> 00:08:15.899 people who Dr. Mabuse says wrong to kind of come 00:08:15.899 --> 00:08:18.800 back to, to haunt him and kind of a similar thing 00:08:18.800 --> 00:08:22.079 happens to, to Joe and in the movie we're going 00:08:22.079 --> 00:08:24.600 to talk about tonight. That's a good choice, 00:08:24.680 --> 00:08:26.660 Frank. And also, I'm glad you called out the 00:08:26.660 --> 00:08:29.180 ghost with the invisible bikini. I added some 00:08:29.180 --> 00:08:31.379 titles on here that I have no idea what the movie 00:08:31.379 --> 00:08:33.799 is, but the title is just too great to not put 00:08:33.799 --> 00:08:36.919 on there. Another example of that is Joe Nosferatu, 00:08:37.120 --> 00:08:39.440 Homeless Vampire, which apparently is a movie 00:08:39.440 --> 00:08:43.059 that came out in 2004. I'm not expecting it to 00:08:43.059 --> 00:08:46.039 actually be good, but I am kind of morbidly curious 00:08:46.039 --> 00:08:50.360 to see that movie now. Absolutely. Yeah, yeah. 00:08:51.600 --> 00:08:53.539 Vincent, what about you? Any of those movies 00:08:53.539 --> 00:08:57.220 jump out at you? Yeah. One of my favorite sequels, 00:08:57.220 --> 00:09:02.679 actually, from 1996, it's Tremors 2, Aftershocks. 00:09:02.899 --> 00:09:07.100 This movie was actually a direct -to -video sequel. 00:09:07.759 --> 00:09:10.399 With that said, though, the practical effects 00:09:10.399 --> 00:09:15.360 are still there. It looks like a main A picture. 00:09:15.539 --> 00:09:19.019 It doesn't look cheap in any way. Sorry, the 00:09:19.019 --> 00:09:22.360 actors are Fred Ward. He's returning as his character 00:09:22.360 --> 00:09:26.919 from the first Tremors, Earl. And Michael Gross 00:09:26.919 --> 00:09:30.679 also returns as Burt Gummer. So yeah, I think 00:09:30.679 --> 00:09:32.759 it's worth checking out. It continues the story. 00:09:32.940 --> 00:09:35.840 It's not just a rehash of the first. And it does 00:09:35.840 --> 00:09:39.700 some interesting things. Introduces some key 00:09:39.700 --> 00:09:44.419 developments in the Tremors saga. So Tremors 00:09:44.419 --> 00:09:49.059 2 Aftershocks. Dig it. I've never seen it. I'll 00:09:49.059 --> 00:09:50.240 have to check that out. It's actually been a 00:09:50.240 --> 00:09:52.080 long time since I've seen the original also, 00:09:52.179 --> 00:09:54.740 but I'd never really heard much of anything about 00:09:54.740 --> 00:09:57.179 the second one. So you're selling it though. 00:09:57.279 --> 00:10:00.080 It makes it sound interesting. I think it, I 00:10:00.080 --> 00:10:02.179 think it's a classic and stands the test of time. 00:10:03.419 --> 00:10:05.220 Nice. There's the episode right there. We don't 00:10:05.220 --> 00:10:08.580 even have to do it. I've also never seen that 00:10:08.580 --> 00:10:10.519 movie. We talked about tremors maybe like two 00:10:10.519 --> 00:10:13.080 years ago, two or three. It was fun to revisit 00:10:13.080 --> 00:10:16.279 that. It had been a long time for me. I think 00:10:16.279 --> 00:10:17.580 the movie that I'm going to pick off of this 00:10:17.580 --> 00:10:22.340 list is Dario Argento's Inferno from 1980. Argento 00:10:22.340 --> 00:10:24.299 is a little bit hit or miss, but like his hits 00:10:24.299 --> 00:10:26.120 are some of the best horror movies of all time. 00:10:26.899 --> 00:10:29.059 Suspiria is definitely very high up there. I 00:10:29.059 --> 00:10:31.659 really love opera and phenomena as well. But 00:10:31.659 --> 00:10:33.980 Inferno is great. It's so beautiful. It's not 00:10:33.980 --> 00:10:36.659 as gory as Suspiria. So if you're a little bit 00:10:36.659 --> 00:10:38.539 squeamish about gore, you don't really have to 00:10:38.539 --> 00:10:40.220 worry with that movie too much. There aren't 00:10:40.220 --> 00:10:43.480 extreme close -ups of somebody's heart getting 00:10:43.480 --> 00:10:45.679 stabbed, so don't worry about that. But it's 00:10:45.679 --> 00:10:47.980 so beautiful. It's so strange. It's the second 00:10:47.980 --> 00:10:51.399 part of his... like mother trilogy, which is 00:10:51.399 --> 00:10:54.120 Suspiria, which is mother of size. Mother of 00:10:54.120 --> 00:10:56.639 tears is the last one. I can't remember like 00:10:56.639 --> 00:10:59.600 the, which mother that's an Inferno, but it's 00:10:59.600 --> 00:11:01.480 very, very good. Love that movie. Have either 00:11:01.480 --> 00:11:04.799 of you seen that? Yeah. Good, good movie. Really 00:11:04.799 --> 00:11:07.320 good musical score too, by I think Keith Emerson, 00:11:07.440 --> 00:11:11.080 maybe. That sounds right. Yeah. Cause it's not 00:11:11.080 --> 00:11:13.299 Goblin who did the score for Suspiria. Yeah. 00:11:13.440 --> 00:11:15.320 Yeah. It's not Goblin, which is weird because 00:11:15.320 --> 00:11:17.679 they soundtrack so many of his movies. But yeah, 00:11:17.720 --> 00:11:20.090 Inferno. See it if you have not seen it, if you're 00:11:20.090 --> 00:11:22.289 an Argento fan especially. Underrated, I would 00:11:22.289 --> 00:11:26.330 say. In terms of new and upcoming monster movies, 00:11:26.610 --> 00:11:28.850 I'm curious if either of you have seen The Bride 00:11:28.850 --> 00:11:38.929 yet. I saw it. Unfortunately, I was disappointed. 00:11:39.929 --> 00:11:44.389 I like the basic premise of The Bride of Frankenstein 00:11:44.389 --> 00:11:47.889 being... you know, reanimated into this role 00:11:47.889 --> 00:11:50.090 as the bride of Frankenstein, but then kind of 00:11:50.090 --> 00:11:55.570 rejecting it. But that was kind of, I mean, not 00:11:55.570 --> 00:11:57.909 kind of, it was done a lot better just a few 00:11:57.909 --> 00:12:00.289 years ago in the movie, poor things more or less. 00:12:01.049 --> 00:12:04.409 And also in this movie, it's just so muddled 00:12:04.409 --> 00:12:08.350 with other just like random storylines that go 00:12:08.350 --> 00:12:11.129 nowhere. Like there's a thing where the, like 00:12:11.129 --> 00:12:13.309 Frankenstein's monster is this like obsessive 00:12:13.309 --> 00:12:18.230 fan of, Fred Astaire -style song and dance movie 00:12:18.230 --> 00:12:22.210 star, and that goes nowhere. There's something 00:12:22.210 --> 00:12:25.889 where the bride at random points is possessed 00:12:25.889 --> 00:12:29.490 by the spirit of Mary Shelley, who is presented 00:12:29.490 --> 00:12:34.110 as this sort of punk feminist, which I don't 00:12:34.110 --> 00:12:36.629 know a ton. I'm not a big Mary Shelley scholar 00:12:36.629 --> 00:12:39.730 or anything, but it seems to have nothing to 00:12:39.730 --> 00:12:43.820 do with her real life. considerable real achievements 00:12:43.820 --> 00:12:46.299 or her legacy or anything it just seems like 00:12:46.299 --> 00:12:50.220 a totally random just a totally random thing 00:12:50.220 --> 00:12:54.279 and she speaks like when she becomes possessed 00:12:54.279 --> 00:12:56.980 by Mary Shelley she's speaking in this like Catherine 00:12:56.980 --> 00:12:59.539 Hepburn accent for some reason and I'm like what 00:12:59.539 --> 00:13:02.419 where is any of this coming from and there's 00:13:02.419 --> 00:13:04.799 just all it's just like really cluttered and 00:13:04.799 --> 00:13:09.009 the tone not just from scene to scene but even 00:13:09.009 --> 00:13:11.529 like within scenes like from moment to moment 00:13:11.529 --> 00:13:15.809 the tone keeps like wildly changing which makes 00:13:15.809 --> 00:13:17.870 the movie sort of like lively but it's it also 00:13:17.870 --> 00:13:19.590 eventually just kind of gets tedious because 00:13:19.590 --> 00:13:22.470 there's like no real like momentum being built 00:13:22.470 --> 00:13:24.990 because it's just the movie's just all over the 00:13:24.990 --> 00:13:28.289 place so there's a couple good performances like 00:13:28.289 --> 00:13:31.909 jesse buckley like her she's she's the bride 00:13:31.909 --> 00:13:34.950 and her performance is very like uninhibited 00:13:34.950 --> 00:13:37.620 and she's kind of like throwing everything against 00:13:37.620 --> 00:13:40.759 the wall, so periodically she'll just have some 00:13:40.759 --> 00:13:44.860 really crazy line reading or body movement or 00:13:44.860 --> 00:13:47.279 something that's amusing because it's so strange, 00:13:47.419 --> 00:13:50.440 but it doesn't really add up to a great performance 00:13:50.440 --> 00:13:52.340 overall. And Christian Bale is actually very 00:13:52.340 --> 00:13:56.679 good as Frankenstein's monster. It's a relatively 00:13:56.679 --> 00:13:58.679 more restrained performance compared to hers, 00:13:58.799 --> 00:14:02.440 but yeah, overall it's just not very good. I 00:14:02.440 --> 00:14:04.820 was disappointed. I still want to see it, though. 00:14:05.129 --> 00:14:09.090 But that's too bad to hear. Yeah. Yeah. I was 00:14:09.090 --> 00:14:11.149 hoping it would be interestingly bad, but it 00:14:11.149 --> 00:14:13.289 kind of just sounds bad for the most part. Well, 00:14:13.350 --> 00:14:15.090 that's what I'm hoping for. Interesting bad. 00:14:15.190 --> 00:14:17.230 If I've learned one thing on this podcast, it's 00:14:17.230 --> 00:14:20.750 to appreciate the interestingly bad films. Yeah. 00:14:21.470 --> 00:14:23.990 Yeah. I like her as an actress, but yeah, as 00:14:23.990 --> 00:14:26.929 a writer and director, I'm not sure. I don't 00:14:26.929 --> 00:14:28.750 know. She's more skilled as an actress than as 00:14:28.750 --> 00:14:31.490 a writer or director, at least based on The Bride. 00:14:31.509 --> 00:14:33.950 I haven't seen her first movie, The Lost Daughter, 00:14:34.029 --> 00:14:37.379 but. I have seen The Lost Daughter, which I thought 00:14:37.379 --> 00:14:40.240 was good and like, again, had good performances 00:14:40.240 --> 00:14:42.179 and everything. But I was like, ah, this could 00:14:42.179 --> 00:14:44.179 be like a little bit more like wild and crazy 00:14:44.179 --> 00:14:46.080 and have more of like an intense visual style. 00:14:46.460 --> 00:14:48.179 So when I saw the trailer for The Bride, I was 00:14:48.179 --> 00:14:49.559 like, all right, this seems like a step in the 00:14:49.559 --> 00:14:51.899 right direction, like a little more, you know, 00:14:51.919 --> 00:14:54.340 formally audacious or whatever. But actually, 00:14:54.399 --> 00:14:56.159 it might be a step in the wrong direction. So 00:14:56.159 --> 00:14:58.820 I would like to see it at some point. It does 00:14:58.820 --> 00:15:00.799 not sound very good, though. We shall find a 00:15:00.799 --> 00:15:02.539 happy medium in our third movie. I don't know. 00:15:02.740 --> 00:15:04.940 Yeah, I hope so. All right. What is coming up 00:15:04.940 --> 00:15:07.519 on Camp Kaiju, Vincent? Next episode is called 00:15:07.519 --> 00:15:10.220 The Black Scorpion. It's about the Black Scorpion 00:15:10.220 --> 00:15:15.759 from 1957. It is a giant bug kaiju movie from 00:15:15.759 --> 00:15:20.440 Hollywood, from the USA, in the age of atomic 00:15:20.440 --> 00:15:23.789 monsters. What's noteworthy about this film, 00:15:23.870 --> 00:15:27.769 it is brought to life by the stop motion effects 00:15:27.769 --> 00:15:32.049 of Willis O 'Brien, who created King Kong in 00:15:32.049 --> 00:15:34.570 1933 and The Lost World, which we'll be talking 00:15:34.570 --> 00:15:38.110 about later, too. So I think it's a pretty interesting 00:15:38.110 --> 00:15:42.049 glimpse into late career Willis O 'Brien, who 00:15:42.049 --> 00:15:44.769 at this point was most certainly eclipsed by 00:15:44.769 --> 00:15:48.269 Ray Harryhausen, his protege. But O 'Brien still 00:15:48.269 --> 00:15:50.870 in the game, or at least he has something left 00:15:50.870 --> 00:15:54.100 in the tank. So I'm excited to see what that 00:15:54.100 --> 00:15:58.419 is in The Black Scorpion. That sounds cool. I 00:15:58.419 --> 00:16:00.600 can't wait to see it. I'm glad that you're turning 00:16:00.600 --> 00:16:04.440 me on to some more like 1950s stop motion animation 00:16:04.440 --> 00:16:07.100 monster movies because I'm sorely undereducated 00:16:07.100 --> 00:16:09.779 in that subgenre. So I'm looking forward to that. 00:16:09.860 --> 00:16:11.659 We'll have a double feature with Willis O 'Brien 00:16:11.659 --> 00:16:13.279 because we'll be talking about The Lost World 00:16:13.279 --> 00:16:17.320 from 1925 and our episode after that. So yeah, 00:16:17.399 --> 00:16:19.639 some good episodes coming up. By the way, you 00:16:19.639 --> 00:16:21.740 mentioned Instagram before, and I wanted to shout 00:16:21.740 --> 00:16:23.860 out a meme that you posted on the Camp Kaiju 00:16:23.860 --> 00:16:27.360 channel earlier today, which is Hell Frazier. 00:16:27.659 --> 00:16:30.059 And it's just a shot of Frazier Crane with like 00:16:30.059 --> 00:16:32.919 the theme song from that sitcom. But he has like 00:16:32.919 --> 00:16:35.700 pins all over his face, like pinhead. And I burst 00:16:35.700 --> 00:16:37.960 out laughing at that and could not stop, even 00:16:37.960 --> 00:16:39.639 though it's like kind of a stupid joke, but it 00:16:39.639 --> 00:16:42.879 is hilarious. Good job on that meme. I also burst 00:16:42.879 --> 00:16:45.440 out laughing. It was an instant reshare. I just 00:16:45.440 --> 00:16:48.750 had to do it. Hell Frazier. I haven't even seen 00:16:48.750 --> 00:16:51.110 the image, but that sounds hilarious. I'm just 00:16:51.110 --> 00:16:55.529 imagining it. I couldn't believe it. Yeah, Frank, 00:16:55.610 --> 00:16:57.730 check it out on the Camp Kaiju social Instagram 00:16:57.730 --> 00:17:00.970 page. Another thing I want to see come to fruition 00:17:00.970 --> 00:17:04.549 now, you know, it'd be amazing. I feel like Hellraiser 00:17:04.549 --> 00:17:06.990 is not too far beyond Frasier. Like it's a natural 00:17:06.990 --> 00:17:09.130 connection right there. Vincent, you have some 00:17:09.130 --> 00:17:11.849 things in our other news category here on the 00:17:11.849 --> 00:17:14.670 Google Doc. Yeah, sorry, guys, just real quick. 00:17:14.769 --> 00:17:16.890 I know we're throwing a lot of things here, but 00:17:16.890 --> 00:17:21.150 the Rondo Awards are open. The voting for this 00:17:21.150 --> 00:17:22.890 is open. Now, if you're not familiar with the 00:17:22.890 --> 00:17:25.990 Rondo Awards, I could paraphrase or I can just 00:17:25.990 --> 00:17:28.789 read from their website, rondoaward .com. So 00:17:28.789 --> 00:17:31.650 since 2002, the Rondos have been fandoms only 00:17:31.650 --> 00:17:35.609 classic horror awards decided by fans for fans. 00:17:35.769 --> 00:17:38.430 So every nominee below is recognized for significant 00:17:38.430 --> 00:17:43.089 achievements in 2025. So listeners. Camp Kaiju 00:17:43.089 --> 00:17:47.109 was nominated by fans, by you all. And we have 00:17:47.109 --> 00:17:51.609 been chosen on a short list of nominees for Best 00:17:51.609 --> 00:17:56.170 Website, which is not Best Podcast. We were nominated 00:17:56.170 --> 00:17:59.930 for that category the previous year. But we have 00:17:59.930 --> 00:18:03.690 a nomination, and we stand amongst giants of 00:18:03.690 --> 00:18:07.609 classic horror fandom. But there's a whole ton 00:18:07.609 --> 00:18:09.849 of categories. Everyone should check this out. 00:18:09.930 --> 00:18:12.710 Link in the show notes. Yeah, I was not aware 00:18:12.710 --> 00:18:17.609 of that. Cool. Yeah. After that bit of news, 00:18:17.890 --> 00:18:21.410 Mothra Day, people. Mark your calendars. Bloomington, 00:18:21.430 --> 00:18:25.750 Indiana, June 12th, Mothra Day. Our friend of 00:18:25.750 --> 00:18:30.670 the pod, Beth Bredlaw, she worked her kaiju magic 00:18:30.670 --> 00:18:34.230 and got the mayor of Bloomington, Indiana, to 00:18:34.230 --> 00:18:37.589 declare that weekend Mothra Day, Mothra Weekend. 00:18:37.880 --> 00:18:40.579 Just like last year, she did the same thing with 00:18:40.579 --> 00:18:42.380 the mayor of Bloomington, who sounds like a great 00:18:42.380 --> 00:18:46.759 guy, to declare it Godzilla Day and weekend last 00:18:46.759 --> 00:18:50.440 year. And Beth orchestrated this great festival 00:18:50.440 --> 00:18:53.480 with screenings at the local cinema. She's going 00:18:53.480 --> 00:18:57.140 to do the same this year. Maybe Camp Kaiju will 00:18:57.140 --> 00:18:59.339 be there as a guest panelist. We don't know. 00:18:59.420 --> 00:19:02.099 It's only the second year for this wonderful 00:19:02.099 --> 00:19:06.000 little festival. Props to Beth. Kudos to you 00:19:06.000 --> 00:19:09.400 out there. And let's make it happen. I wonder 00:19:09.400 --> 00:19:11.420 if the mayor of Bloomington, Indiana is like 00:19:11.420 --> 00:19:14.420 an enthusiastic horror fan or something, or if 00:19:14.420 --> 00:19:17.619 he's just like, Beth, leave me alone. We'll do 00:19:17.619 --> 00:19:22.039 it. Fine. But either way, that's really cool. 00:19:22.319 --> 00:19:26.920 Yeah. Yeah. After 20 more calls in one day, the 00:19:26.920 --> 00:19:28.700 mayor of Bloomington has finally agreed to do 00:19:28.700 --> 00:19:32.559 Mothra Day. That's amazing. I hope for Mothra 00:19:32.559 --> 00:19:35.319 weekend, they just play the insanely catchy Mothra 00:19:35.319 --> 00:19:38.920 theme nonstop, like public loudspeakers the entire 00:19:38.920 --> 00:19:40.880 weekend. It'd be great. Throughout the whole 00:19:40.880 --> 00:19:44.759 town. Yeah. Yep. Drive everybody insane. Also 00:19:44.759 --> 00:19:48.930 in the summer, Matt, any updates on... Piranha 00:19:48.930 --> 00:19:51.809 and Creature Features at the Heights? It's still 00:19:51.809 --> 00:19:54.069 in the works. I can say at this point, it is 00:19:54.069 --> 00:19:57.410 likely that Piranha will play May 8th at the 00:19:57.410 --> 00:20:00.069 Heights Theater up here in Minneapolis. I should 00:20:00.069 --> 00:20:01.829 be totally candid and say that I work at the 00:20:01.829 --> 00:20:04.569 Heights, so there is kind of a inside connection 00:20:04.569 --> 00:20:06.849 slash conflict of interest, but we'll go with 00:20:06.849 --> 00:20:10.250 inside connection. Yeah, so Piranha, great Joe 00:20:10.250 --> 00:20:13.430 Dante, fun, you know, monster movie, May 8th, 00:20:13.430 --> 00:20:15.940 most likely will be playing. And then Vincent 00:20:15.940 --> 00:20:18.240 and I kind of programmed a series of eight monster 00:20:18.240 --> 00:20:20.920 movies that hopefully, fingers crossed, will 00:20:20.920 --> 00:20:23.180 play at the Heights for like the next two months 00:20:23.180 --> 00:20:25.839 after that, like on a weekly basis. So hopefully, 00:20:26.059 --> 00:20:28.880 yeah, you know, Creature Features series at the 00:20:28.880 --> 00:20:31.119 Heights this summer, but to be confirmed on that. 00:20:31.440 --> 00:20:35.019 Sounds Jawsome. Yeah, although Jaws will not 00:20:35.019 --> 00:20:37.859 be one of the movies in that series. I feel like 00:20:37.859 --> 00:20:40.519 I need to say, but. But there will be, I mean, 00:20:40.519 --> 00:20:42.579 if it all works, if it all comes to fruition, 00:20:42.859 --> 00:20:44.819 there will be so many other good movies in that 00:20:44.819 --> 00:20:48.220 series. Stay tuned for more info on that. Will 00:20:48.220 --> 00:20:53.559 do. Okay. Yeah, so tonight we are talking about 00:20:53.559 --> 00:20:56.799 Brazilian horror movie At Midnight I'll Take 00:20:56.799 --> 00:21:00.960 Your Soul from 1964. I'm curious what your personal 00:21:00.960 --> 00:21:04.480 histories are with this movie. Zero. Not since 00:21:04.480 --> 00:21:08.170 last year when you suggested it, so. I watched 00:21:08.170 --> 00:21:09.990 it for the first time the other night, did a 00:21:09.990 --> 00:21:12.269 little research on this character, Coffin Joe, 00:21:12.470 --> 00:21:15.890 Brazilian horror films. I'm ready to rock and 00:21:15.890 --> 00:21:19.349 roll. You know, I knew of the Coffin Joe character 00:21:19.349 --> 00:21:22.049 vaguely. Like, I knew enough to know that he 00:21:22.049 --> 00:21:25.470 was, you know, either a South or Central American, 00:21:25.549 --> 00:21:29.589 like, you know, horror icon of some sort. But 00:21:29.589 --> 00:21:31.150 I wouldn't have even been able to tell you he 00:21:31.150 --> 00:21:34.769 was from Brazil or like anything about the character, 00:21:34.849 --> 00:21:38.619 really. So this was all pretty brand new to me, 00:21:38.660 --> 00:21:41.119 aside from just vaguely knowing that he was a 00:21:41.119 --> 00:21:43.599 popular character in that area of the world. 00:21:44.019 --> 00:21:48.720 Well, I'm glad that my selection introduced both 00:21:48.720 --> 00:21:50.700 of you guys to this character and this director. 00:21:50.819 --> 00:21:53.019 Hopefully it was not a bad experience for you 00:21:53.019 --> 00:21:56.000 guys. We'll learn more about that later. So at 00:21:56.000 --> 00:21:57.960 minute, I'll take your soul. I think I first 00:21:57.960 --> 00:22:00.920 saw it maybe in like 2010. So it's been kind 00:22:00.920 --> 00:22:03.079 of a long time. I can't remember exactly how 00:22:03.079 --> 00:22:05.099 I first heard about this movie. I think I just... 00:22:05.609 --> 00:22:07.589 read the title somewhere, read that it was one 00:22:07.589 --> 00:22:09.950 of the earliest, if not the first Brazilian horror 00:22:09.950 --> 00:22:13.170 movie about a character named Coffin Joe. And 00:22:13.170 --> 00:22:15.589 I was like, I need to see this movie. And I liked 00:22:15.589 --> 00:22:17.529 it when I first saw it. It had been so long, 00:22:17.549 --> 00:22:20.049 I barely remembered anything about it. It was 00:22:20.049 --> 00:22:23.049 fun to rewatch. And like, I don't know, we'll 00:22:23.049 --> 00:22:25.589 get into all the details. But if you're a horror 00:22:25.589 --> 00:22:27.910 lover, there's so much to enjoy about this movie. 00:22:28.029 --> 00:22:30.970 Like, it's just... Like the opening credits, 00:22:31.150 --> 00:22:34.329 for example, you have like a cackling witch and 00:22:34.329 --> 00:22:37.109 like eerie wind sound effects and spooky music. 00:22:37.170 --> 00:22:39.990 It's like walking into like a Halloween funhouse, 00:22:40.109 --> 00:22:47.269 you know? Not since Dracula stalked the earth 00:22:47.269 --> 00:22:51.529 has the world known so terrifying a day or night. 00:22:52.029 --> 00:22:56.009 It's I who renounce you. And in the name of Satan, 00:22:56.029 --> 00:23:06.930 I place a curse upon you. Black Sunday is like 00:23:06.930 --> 00:23:16.890 no motion picture you've ever seen. There are 00:23:16.890 --> 00:23:20.930 those who believe and those who do not. But both 00:23:20.930 --> 00:23:24.130 must know the suspense, the shock of meeting 00:23:24.130 --> 00:23:28.910 the living dead and of bringing the dead to life. 00:23:35.720 --> 00:23:42.019 Look into my eyes. Embrace me. You will die. 00:23:42.339 --> 00:23:44.819 But I can bring you pleasures mortals cannot 00:23:44.819 --> 00:23:54.279 know. Black Sunday. The most terrifying motion 00:23:54.279 --> 00:24:04.579 picture you'll ever see. Satan, wearing strange 00:24:04.579 --> 00:24:07.720 robes and fighting with all the furies of Hades, 00:24:07.980 --> 00:24:13.160 arouses the countryside to a frenzy of black 00:24:13.160 --> 00:25:24.920 terror. You can hide from Suspiria. Anything 00:25:24.920 --> 00:25:30.720 more terrifying than the last 12 minutes of Suspiria. 00:25:31.400 --> 00:25:40.480 For the first 92. The ghost in the invisible 00:25:40.480 --> 00:25:46.180 bikini goes fun -haunting. Boris Karloff as Hiram 00:25:46.180 --> 00:25:49.099 Stokely gives orders to Susan Hart as the ghost. 00:25:49.630 --> 00:25:52.309 What you have to do is to see that my rightful 00:25:52.309 --> 00:25:55.210 heirs get the money. They're on the wildest way 00:25:55.210 --> 00:25:58.390 out weekend the in -crowd's ever had. Starring 00:25:58.390 --> 00:26:02.069 Tommy Kirk, Deborah Wally, Aaron Kincaid. Harvey 00:26:02.069 --> 00:26:33.480 Limbeck, Nancy Sinatra. You know, often on Camp 00:26:33.480 --> 00:26:37.099 Kaiju, names in other languages can be a little 00:26:37.099 --> 00:26:39.680 bit difficult sometimes. So I looked up the pronunciation 00:26:39.680 --> 00:26:42.680 of his name. This is the director, co -writer, 00:26:42.700 --> 00:26:45.279 and star of At Midnight I'll Take Your Soul, 00:26:45.539 --> 00:26:49.039 Jose Mojica Marins, is apparently how you pronounce 00:26:49.039 --> 00:26:51.480 it. So I'm not going to hold you guys to that 00:26:51.480 --> 00:26:53.779 pronunciation, but I just wanted to figure out 00:26:53.779 --> 00:26:59.019 the correct pronunciation. Yeah. So he... Oh, 00:26:59.019 --> 00:27:01.559 yeah, there's not a lot of info on much of the 00:27:01.559 --> 00:27:04.460 cast and crew in this movie, but there is a ton 00:27:04.460 --> 00:27:06.619 of fascinating info about this guy. So we can 00:27:06.619 --> 00:27:12.099 do a deep dive into Jose Mojica Maritz. He was 00:27:12.099 --> 00:27:15.859 born on Friday the 13th, March 13th, 1936, to 00:27:15.859 --> 00:27:19.920 be exact, in Sao Paulo, Brazil, to Spanish parents. 00:27:20.650 --> 00:27:23.269 Jose's father operated a movie theater and the 00:27:23.269 --> 00:27:26.769 family lived in an apartment above it. So Jose 00:27:26.769 --> 00:27:30.089 was kind of conditioned to love movies ever since 00:27:30.089 --> 00:27:33.549 he was a young kid. His son, Crunel, later said 00:27:33.549 --> 00:27:37.250 that his father, Jose Mojica Marintz, loved Boris 00:27:37.250 --> 00:27:40.950 Karloff, Bela Lugosi, Hitchcock, Orson Welles, 00:27:40.950 --> 00:27:43.829 Charlie Chaplin. So just a movie lover, definitely 00:27:43.829 --> 00:27:46.609 a horror lover, but also just a fan of cinema 00:27:46.609 --> 00:27:49.289 in general. He started making movies from a very 00:27:49.289 --> 00:27:52.190 young age. Jose, he would make short films with 00:27:52.190 --> 00:27:53.690 a camera that his parents had given him as a 00:27:53.690 --> 00:27:56.109 present. These short films often just starred 00:27:56.109 --> 00:27:58.349 himself and his neighbors and his friends. I 00:27:58.349 --> 00:28:00.230 mean, he would just screen them in churches and 00:28:00.230 --> 00:28:02.549 amusement parks and wherever he possibly could. 00:28:02.750 --> 00:28:05.690 First film was Terminator 2 Judgment Day. No, 00:28:05.730 --> 00:28:09.329 sorry. It's just called Judgment Day. It was 00:28:09.329 --> 00:28:13.089 shot on 8mm in 1948 when he was 12 years old. 00:28:13.559 --> 00:28:16.559 He then got a 16mm camera and shot 17 movies 00:28:16.559 --> 00:28:19.339 over three years, most of them melodramas, mysteries, 00:28:19.480 --> 00:28:22.799 and supernatural horror. At 18 years old, Jose 00:28:22.799 --> 00:28:25.720 founded the Atlas Film Company, acquiring an 00:28:25.720 --> 00:28:28.240 abandoned synagogue and turning it into a film 00:28:28.240 --> 00:28:31.119 studio. He gave acting lessons and trained technicians 00:28:31.119 --> 00:28:35.000 in order to finance his films. Nice. Savvy of 00:28:35.000 --> 00:28:38.920 him. Yeah. His low -budget movies often featured... 00:28:39.480 --> 00:28:42.480 His friends and other amateur actors in sensational 00:28:42.480 --> 00:28:46.119 genres like sexploitation and drugsploitation. 00:28:46.579 --> 00:28:49.319 His first two features were a Western called 00:28:49.319 --> 00:28:53.440 Adventure's Fate in 1958 and a gritty drama called 00:28:53.440 --> 00:28:57.519 My Destiny in Your Hands in 1963. But his career 00:28:57.519 --> 00:29:00.400 would truly take off with At Midnight I'll Take 00:29:00.400 --> 00:29:05.579 Your Soul and the Coffin Joe character. Our director, 00:29:05.759 --> 00:29:10.589 Jose. Mojica Marines is a fascinating person. 00:29:10.990 --> 00:29:13.890 Did you know he owned his own perfume line, ran 00:29:13.890 --> 00:29:17.630 for political office, and had 23 children with 00:29:17.630 --> 00:29:20.289 various wives? But that's not the most interesting 00:29:20.289 --> 00:29:22.450 thing. We'll go back to the political office. 00:29:22.710 --> 00:29:24.970 The ballots weren't even allowed because people 00:29:24.970 --> 00:29:29.109 voted for Coffin Joe instead of him. And he had 00:29:29.109 --> 00:29:32.269 23 children with various wives. How Coffin Joe 00:29:32.269 --> 00:29:37.099 of him. Yeah. I would love to know what his perfume 00:29:37.099 --> 00:29:41.779 smelled like. I don't. Right. It cannot smell 00:29:41.779 --> 00:29:45.480 good, right? Like, you know, weird candles and 00:29:45.480 --> 00:29:48.579 tarantulas and like wood, like old wood. That's 00:29:48.579 --> 00:29:51.019 what I imagine. But like, what an interesting 00:29:51.019 --> 00:29:53.700 guy. His biography is just like a checklist of 00:29:53.700 --> 00:29:56.859 like fascinating facts. I didn't put in this 00:29:56.859 --> 00:29:58.319 section. I think I put it a little bit later 00:29:58.319 --> 00:30:01.259 in the Google doc, but the like long fingernails 00:30:01.259 --> 00:30:03.400 that the Coffin Joe character has in this movie. 00:30:04.279 --> 00:30:06.700 Maureen's had, like, he wears his fingernails 00:30:06.700 --> 00:30:09.380 that way. That wasn't especially, like, an element 00:30:09.380 --> 00:30:11.579 of the character. He already had them that way. 00:30:11.700 --> 00:30:14.900 So just a weird guy, fascinating guy. He died 00:30:14.900 --> 00:30:19.359 in 2020. But yeah, what, you know, unique person. 00:30:19.720 --> 00:30:21.900 That's kind of a good segue. Frank, are you able 00:30:21.900 --> 00:30:23.779 to talk a little bit more about the Coffin Joe 00:30:23.779 --> 00:30:27.619 character? Yeah, yeah. So this film was his first 00:30:27.619 --> 00:30:30.720 appearance. After this, there were a couple other 00:30:30.720 --> 00:30:33.839 movies. This Night I'll Possess Your Corpse. 00:30:34.400 --> 00:30:38.380 And also the third, that came out in 1967. And 00:30:38.380 --> 00:30:40.299 then the third film, Embodiment of Evil, came 00:30:40.299 --> 00:30:44.599 out way later in 2008. So these ones apparently 00:30:44.599 --> 00:30:47.400 loosely follow Coffin Joe's attempts to bear 00:30:47.400 --> 00:30:50.400 a male son in order to achieve immortality through 00:30:50.400 --> 00:30:52.579 procreation. So kind of continuing what he's 00:30:52.579 --> 00:30:55.319 trying to do in this movie. I actually read a 00:30:55.319 --> 00:30:58.440 little bit about the second movie earlier today, 00:30:58.539 --> 00:31:02.359 This Night I'll Possess Your Corpse. I'm interested 00:31:02.359 --> 00:31:04.599 in seeing it because apparently, although the 00:31:04.599 --> 00:31:07.140 movie is mostly in black and white, just like 00:31:07.140 --> 00:31:09.660 the one we're talking about tonight, is there's 00:31:09.660 --> 00:31:13.720 a color sequence that's set in hell. And hell 00:31:13.720 --> 00:31:17.779 is apparently cold instead of hot in this version. 00:31:18.400 --> 00:31:23.640 And the actor, director, writer, etc. who plays 00:31:23.640 --> 00:31:26.559 Coffin Joe also plays Satan in that scene, apparently. 00:31:26.599 --> 00:31:30.400 So that sounds very interesting. I love it when 00:31:30.400 --> 00:31:34.039 hell is depicted as actually a frozen wasteland. 00:31:34.640 --> 00:31:39.819 Because literary nerd here, in Dante's Inferno, 00:31:39.940 --> 00:31:43.180 the seven layers of hell, the final layer with 00:31:43.180 --> 00:31:48.059 Satan himself, Lucifer, is ice cold. So you go 00:31:48.059 --> 00:31:52.200 through all this fire to get to what's probably 00:31:52.200 --> 00:31:58.369 equally painful and awful. Wow. I that's a cool 00:31:58.369 --> 00:32:00.390 insight. I like that. Do you know if a paradise 00:32:00.390 --> 00:32:02.769 lost, do you know if hell is kind of depicted 00:32:02.769 --> 00:32:05.730 the same way in that? I don't actually. Okay. 00:32:06.349 --> 00:32:09.910 I'm yeah, I'm not, uh, obviously not a literary 00:32:09.910 --> 00:32:12.250 expert. So I wasn't even aware of Inferno and 00:32:12.250 --> 00:32:14.730 have no idea about paradise lost, but I'd be 00:32:14.730 --> 00:32:18.329 interested to find out more. Same. And the character, 00:32:18.369 --> 00:32:20.130 uh, the coffin drill character also appeared 00:32:20.130 --> 00:32:22.890 in films like awakening of the beast from 1970. 00:32:24.160 --> 00:32:27.839 which has test subjects dosed with LSD who see 00:32:27.839 --> 00:32:31.259 Coffin Joe and hallucinations. Sounds very 1970. 00:32:32.200 --> 00:32:36.000 The bloody exorcism of Coffin Joe from 1974, 00:32:36.119 --> 00:32:39.779 which is a self -reflexive movie about the director 00:32:39.779 --> 00:32:43.420 being haunted by the character he created. That's, 00:32:43.420 --> 00:32:45.940 that's a bit ahead of its time. That almost sounds 00:32:45.940 --> 00:32:48.200 like, you know, Wes Craven's new nightmare or 00:32:48.200 --> 00:32:52.529 something like 20 years later and hallucin. Hallucinations 00:32:52.529 --> 00:32:55.990 of a Deranged Mind from 1978, in which a scientist 00:32:55.990 --> 00:32:58.529 has nightmares about Coffin Joe and asks for 00:32:58.529 --> 00:33:00.990 the director's help in exercising him from his 00:33:00.990 --> 00:33:04.650 dreams. And a lot of these movies were actually 00:33:04.650 --> 00:33:07.309 banned in Brazil because of their graphic violence, 00:33:07.549 --> 00:33:11.410 sexual content. I can imagine also maybe some 00:33:11.410 --> 00:33:15.289 of the blasphemy possibly getting it banned, 00:33:15.410 --> 00:33:17.410 even though it's, you know, the blasphemy, at 00:33:17.410 --> 00:33:19.690 least in this first movie, is depicted as being. 00:33:20.789 --> 00:33:24.769 Yeah. I could see it still, you know, ruffling 00:33:24.769 --> 00:33:27.430 some feathers in a heavily Christian country. 00:33:28.329 --> 00:33:31.670 Right. Right. Heavily Catholic country too. Yes. 00:33:31.730 --> 00:33:35.529 Yes. It looks like he also played the, the same 00:33:35.529 --> 00:33:37.970 character in a bunch of TV shows, the strange 00:33:37.970 --> 00:33:41.650 world of coffin Joe beyond far beyond the behind. 00:33:41.710 --> 00:33:49.549 I love that. And the show from the other world. 00:33:49.980 --> 00:33:52.680 And there's also a bunch of coffin Joe comic 00:33:52.680 --> 00:33:56.019 books and music videos. I was also reading earlier 00:33:56.019 --> 00:34:00.259 today about it. Apparently there's a DVD box 00:34:00.259 --> 00:34:03.200 set re -release of these coffin Joe movies that 00:34:03.200 --> 00:34:05.740 also include some of the comic books along with 00:34:05.740 --> 00:34:10.900 it, which is cool. And I, sorry, go ahead. Coffin 00:34:10.900 --> 00:34:13.860 Joe is played by the director, correct? Yes. 00:34:14.139 --> 00:34:18.320 Right. Yep. So that's interesting in these kind 00:34:18.320 --> 00:34:22.110 of spinoff. properties these other movies is 00:34:22.110 --> 00:34:25.250 it the same actor same director is he involved 00:34:25.250 --> 00:34:28.289 in any other way yeah it's him basically through 00:34:28.289 --> 00:34:30.750 all of them he was so associated with this character 00:34:30.750 --> 00:34:33.769 throughout his whole career like that's why when 00:34:33.769 --> 00:34:35.929 he ran for office people were voting for coffin 00:34:35.929 --> 00:34:38.530 joe instead of him because that's like how the 00:34:38.530 --> 00:34:41.159 brazilian people knew him basically I think there 00:34:41.159 --> 00:34:44.019 are a couple later movies in which other actors 00:34:44.019 --> 00:34:47.619 play younger versions of Coffin Joe, like Embodiment 00:34:47.619 --> 00:34:50.980 of Evil, I think, because that's from 2008. So 00:34:50.980 --> 00:34:52.860 there's an older version of Coffin Joe, but then 00:34:52.860 --> 00:34:55.019 I think there are flashbacks and a different 00:34:55.019 --> 00:34:57.579 actor plays him. But for the most part, it's 00:34:57.579 --> 00:35:01.599 Jose Mojica Marins the entire way. What a legacy. 00:35:01.800 --> 00:35:04.019 Yeah. Yeah, it seems like the type of thing, 00:35:04.019 --> 00:35:05.679 and I don't know whether this is true or not, 00:35:05.739 --> 00:35:07.300 but it seems like the kind of thing where there 00:35:07.300 --> 00:35:11.699 would probably be knockoffs. you know, like maybe 00:35:11.699 --> 00:35:15.320 some other actors taking on the role, like unofficially, 00:35:15.320 --> 00:35:17.619 it just seems like that kind of thing, sort of 00:35:17.619 --> 00:35:19.599 like, you know, the Django series of spaghetti 00:35:19.599 --> 00:35:21.400 Westerns or whatever, where there's all these 00:35:21.400 --> 00:35:23.940 like unofficial sequels and things like that. 00:35:24.480 --> 00:35:27.539 It seems like it would probably happen with coffin 00:35:27.539 --> 00:35:30.320 jokes, although I don't know that for sure. Agreed. 00:35:30.320 --> 00:35:34.550 Yeah. Yeah. Seems likely. Yeah. But yeah, just 00:35:34.550 --> 00:35:36.750 to wrap up that section, Frank, thank you very 00:35:36.750 --> 00:35:39.250 much. And he, Coffin Joe, just like such an iconic 00:35:39.250 --> 00:35:42.210 figure in Brazilian culture. He's been described 00:35:42.210 --> 00:35:45.510 as Brazil's national boogeyman and compared to 00:35:45.510 --> 00:35:48.349 Freddy Krueger. So he really has kind of a, you 00:35:48.349 --> 00:35:51.130 know, this huge pervasive like pop culture horror 00:35:51.130 --> 00:35:54.849 icon status in Brazil. I feel like outside of 00:35:54.849 --> 00:35:56.809 Brazil, though, you know, like we were talking 00:35:56.809 --> 00:35:59.210 about before, most people don't really know about 00:35:59.210 --> 00:36:02.260 Coffin Joe. You know, not as not as like famous 00:36:02.260 --> 00:36:03.960 a figure, certainly in the United States, I think. 00:36:04.440 --> 00:36:07.019 Yeah, this seems I'd be like, I'm not like a 00:36:07.019 --> 00:36:10.500 horror junkie as much as I do love the genre. 00:36:11.079 --> 00:36:15.900 I admit, like, especially with really cult things 00:36:15.900 --> 00:36:19.260 and and things of this nature in terms of its 00:36:19.260 --> 00:36:24.099 violence and whatnot. I'm not as schooled as 00:36:24.099 --> 00:36:26.880 maybe some others. So if there are any listeners 00:36:26.880 --> 00:36:29.909 out there who like. eat sleep and breathe horror 00:36:29.909 --> 00:36:33.469 let us know if you have heard of coffin joe i'd 00:36:33.469 --> 00:36:36.230 be really interested to see if it's just my ignorance 00:36:36.230 --> 00:36:39.949 because i'm just not in tune with that that circle 00:36:39.949 --> 00:36:43.809 of horror in particular yeah and if there are 00:36:43.809 --> 00:36:46.170 other icons and like other national cultures 00:36:46.170 --> 00:36:48.969 that we should talk about or like watch the movies 00:36:48.969 --> 00:36:50.889 and we're not aware of them let us know those 00:36:50.889 --> 00:36:54.010 too yeah but yeah i mean i think some of the 00:36:54.010 --> 00:36:57.920 later coffin joe movies do get pretty like deranged 00:36:57.920 --> 00:37:00.599 and sadistic. Like I feel like, Frank, your point 00:37:00.599 --> 00:37:03.199 about the blasphemy in this movie, I feel like 00:37:03.199 --> 00:37:05.679 the blasphemy is like the most shocking part 00:37:05.679 --> 00:37:07.199 about it. And there are some scenes that are 00:37:07.199 --> 00:37:09.280 kind of tough to watch in this movie, but in 00:37:09.280 --> 00:37:11.960 terms of like, and like some gory moments, but 00:37:11.960 --> 00:37:13.719 they're kind of like schlocky and cheesy a little 00:37:13.719 --> 00:37:16.139 bit, you know? But from what I've read, like 00:37:16.139 --> 00:37:19.260 the later movies do get like, you know, very 00:37:19.260 --> 00:37:22.079 graphic and very demented. And I want to watch 00:37:22.079 --> 00:37:23.719 them, but I'm also like a little bit nervous 00:37:23.719 --> 00:37:27.210 to do so. like scenes in which women are like 00:37:27.210 --> 00:37:30.010 in pits of live snakes and like tarantulas crawling 00:37:30.010 --> 00:37:32.889 all over them and stuff. Like there's one tarantula 00:37:32.889 --> 00:37:35.429 in this movie and that's, I think keeps on going 00:37:35.429 --> 00:37:38.010 in some of the other coffin Joe movies. So yeah, 00:37:38.110 --> 00:37:39.969 I don't know. I'll have to work up the nerve 00:37:39.969 --> 00:37:41.989 to watch the rest of these movies. I did see 00:37:41.989 --> 00:37:44.090 a screenshot from what I think might be the second 00:37:44.090 --> 00:37:46.449 movie where a woman has tarantulas like all over 00:37:46.449 --> 00:37:48.530 her body instead of just the one that's in this 00:37:48.530 --> 00:37:52.329 movie. But yeah. Look, if we think about. international 00:37:52.329 --> 00:37:55.429 films and the way distribution works, because 00:37:55.429 --> 00:37:57.190 we talk about this with the Japanese films all 00:37:57.190 --> 00:38:00.590 the time. I mean, it wasn't until the 21st century 00:38:00.590 --> 00:38:04.449 that even Godzilla movies were widely accessible 00:38:04.449 --> 00:38:07.570 in the West, in the United States. And then we're 00:38:07.570 --> 00:38:09.570 talking about Godzilla, and everyone knew who 00:38:09.570 --> 00:38:14.730 Godzilla was. So we're talking about the nature, 00:38:14.869 --> 00:38:17.349 the controversial nature of these movies, the 00:38:17.349 --> 00:38:19.579 Coffin Joe movies. It actually doesn't surprise 00:38:19.579 --> 00:38:22.199 me that they never made it out of Brazil because 00:38:22.199 --> 00:38:25.860 it would require a foreign distributor to say, 00:38:25.960 --> 00:38:30.840 yeah, let's release that in Hollywood, in downtown 00:38:30.840 --> 00:38:33.699 Cleveland. Nobody's going to do that. Nobody's 00:38:33.699 --> 00:38:36.340 going to do that. And I think maybe it sounds 00:38:36.340 --> 00:38:38.059 kind of counterintuitive, but I think the fact 00:38:38.059 --> 00:38:40.019 that they are so hard to see like adds to their 00:38:40.019 --> 00:38:42.119 cult status. And then this sort of like lore 00:38:42.119 --> 00:38:45.170 builds up around them. And then people do. Like, 00:38:45.190 --> 00:38:46.849 want to see them, and then distributors are like, 00:38:46.929 --> 00:38:48.269 all right, we can make a profit putting this 00:38:48.269 --> 00:38:49.610 stuff out there, you know? Well, yeah, but that's 00:38:49.610 --> 00:38:52.530 the great thing now about the internet. You know, 00:38:52.590 --> 00:38:55.070 I don't know. I watched this on Tubi, and Tubi 00:38:55.070 --> 00:39:01.530 just, to me, seems like this net of, I don't 00:39:01.530 --> 00:39:04.630 know, distribution? What's the word? But they're, 00:39:04.710 --> 00:39:07.289 yeah, they seem to scoop up anything and everything. 00:39:07.869 --> 00:39:11.150 And there it was. Yeah, and it's on Prime Video. 00:39:11.230 --> 00:39:14.650 It's on YouTube. So it's like, and Frank, like 00:39:14.650 --> 00:39:16.070 you were saying, it's part of that. I think it's 00:39:16.070 --> 00:39:18.210 an Arrow video box set as well. So it's like 00:39:18.210 --> 00:39:21.010 not really hard to find these days, but it was 00:39:21.010 --> 00:39:24.510 for a long time. I bet. Like I said before, it's 00:39:24.510 --> 00:39:26.210 hard to find information about the rest of the 00:39:26.210 --> 00:39:28.690 cast and crew. Most of them were amateurs and 00:39:28.690 --> 00:39:31.210 unprofessionals and just people that were part 00:39:31.210 --> 00:39:33.989 of Marine's film school. But I did want to shout 00:39:33.989 --> 00:39:36.159 out a couple of the cast members. because they 00:39:36.159 --> 00:39:38.219 are put in some very uncomfortable positions, 00:39:38.280 --> 00:39:42.400 it seems, in this movie. Magda Mai plays Teresina, 00:39:42.599 --> 00:39:45.679 who's the woman that Coffin Joe is kind of obsessed 00:39:45.679 --> 00:39:48.980 with and wants to bear his child. Navaldo Lima 00:39:48.980 --> 00:39:52.579 as Antonio, who is maybe the only person in the 00:39:52.579 --> 00:39:54.900 movie that Coffin Joe could call a friend, although 00:39:54.900 --> 00:39:57.880 it does not end well for Antonio. We also have 00:39:57.880 --> 00:40:01.639 Valeria Vasquez as Lenita, who starts off as 00:40:01.639 --> 00:40:05.059 Coffin Joe's wife. Things also don't end well 00:40:05.059 --> 00:40:07.000 for her. She's the poor person who has a tarantula 00:40:07.000 --> 00:40:10.239 crawling all over her. And then the last actor 00:40:10.239 --> 00:40:14.079 I want to shout out is Elidio Martins Simoes 00:40:14.079 --> 00:40:17.920 and his amazing hair, like matinee idol hair, 00:40:18.079 --> 00:40:22.860 playing Dr. Rodolfo. I know nothing more than 00:40:22.860 --> 00:40:25.980 their names to these actors, but they make an 00:40:25.980 --> 00:40:29.030 impression in this movie. So let's talk a little 00:40:29.030 --> 00:40:31.409 bit more about the production backstory of At 00:40:31.409 --> 00:40:33.630 Midnight I'll Take Your Soul. Again, this is 00:40:33.630 --> 00:40:36.050 commonly seen as the first Brazilian horror movie 00:40:36.050 --> 00:40:40.289 from 1964. Marins said the idea came to him in 00:40:40.289 --> 00:40:43.369 a dream where he dragged himself into a cemetery 00:40:43.369 --> 00:40:46.469 while wearing Coffin Joe's signature black costume 00:40:46.469 --> 00:40:49.650 and lowered himself into his own grave, which 00:40:49.650 --> 00:40:52.019 was already marked with his tombstone. Maureen 00:40:52.019 --> 00:40:54.539 said that he woke up from this dream like screaming 00:40:54.539 --> 00:40:57.579 and totally petrified and his family was very 00:40:57.579 --> 00:41:00.000 nervous and called for a doctor right away. And 00:41:00.000 --> 00:41:01.920 that day, Maureen was like, all right, I have 00:41:01.920 --> 00:41:04.420 to make a movie with this character in it. Ironically, 00:41:04.440 --> 00:41:06.440 though, he did not initially intend to play the 00:41:06.440 --> 00:41:08.559 character himself. He was trying to cast a different 00:41:08.559 --> 00:41:11.179 actor in the role of Coffin Joe, but it was hard 00:41:11.179 --> 00:41:14.219 to do so. Maureen Slater said nobody wanted to 00:41:14.219 --> 00:41:16.869 look like a fool. They weren't scared of the 00:41:16.869 --> 00:41:18.949 blasphemy or the violence or anything like that. 00:41:18.989 --> 00:41:20.530 They just basically didn't want to look stupid. 00:41:20.869 --> 00:41:23.929 So he took the role himself. He financed it by 00:41:23.929 --> 00:41:26.510 selling his car and apartment and even had his 00:41:26.510 --> 00:41:28.530 wife move back in with her parents throughout 00:41:28.530 --> 00:41:30.510 the duration of the shoot, which I'm sure was 00:41:30.510 --> 00:41:36.429 a tricky conversation. Although maybe with him, 00:41:36.469 --> 00:41:39.849 who knows? Maybe he threatened to put a tarantula 00:41:39.849 --> 00:41:43.739 on her or something. She didn't do it. He charges 00:41:43.739 --> 00:41:46.760 acting students to appear in the film instead 00:41:46.760 --> 00:41:49.860 of paying them and compensated only a few members 00:41:49.860 --> 00:41:52.679 of the production. I do find it interesting that 00:41:52.679 --> 00:41:56.019 he teaches acting because I would not say, although 00:41:56.019 --> 00:41:58.119 he definitely has a presence, I would not say 00:41:58.119 --> 00:42:02.019 he's like a conventionally talented actor judging 00:42:02.019 --> 00:42:06.179 by this movie. In one infamous anecdote, the 00:42:06.179 --> 00:42:08.440 crew was refusing to shoot a scene because there 00:42:08.440 --> 00:42:11.480 just wasn't enough sunlight. And the director 00:42:11.480 --> 00:42:14.000 forced them to proceed with the shot by pointing 00:42:14.000 --> 00:42:19.099 a gun at the cameraman. Some real Werner Herzog 00:42:19.099 --> 00:42:24.239 type stuff. And to recover the cost on the production, 00:42:24.340 --> 00:42:29.199 he sold the distribution rights to Elidio. Oh 00:42:29.199 --> 00:42:32.420 boy. The guy who plays Dr. Rodolfo. I'm not going 00:42:32.420 --> 00:42:35.079 to try to pronounce his real name. He sold the 00:42:35.079 --> 00:42:37.099 distribution rights to him before the premiere, 00:42:37.320 --> 00:42:40.420 which worked out well for both of them. Marantz 00:42:40.420 --> 00:42:43.019 does not sound like the easiest guy to live with 00:42:43.019 --> 00:42:45.980 or work with. He was married numerous times throughout 00:42:45.980 --> 00:42:48.159 his career. And just hearing some of these production 00:42:48.159 --> 00:42:51.679 stories, it's like you, I don't know, I'm fascinated 00:42:51.679 --> 00:42:54.860 by stories of like directors who run their film 00:42:54.860 --> 00:42:57.460 sets like a dictator, you know, like just like 00:42:57.460 --> 00:43:00.099 forcing people to do their bidding. I wouldn't 00:43:00.099 --> 00:43:01.699 want to work with him, but I find that fascinating. 00:43:02.699 --> 00:43:06.239 Fascinating, but like, is he? I don't know. I'm 00:43:06.239 --> 00:43:07.840 speaking from a place of ignorance. Frank, you 00:43:07.840 --> 00:43:10.219 mentioned Werner Herzog. Did he kind of have 00:43:10.219 --> 00:43:13.539 a similar incident with a gun? What's going on 00:43:13.539 --> 00:43:15.820 there? What's going on with Werner? He's just 00:43:15.820 --> 00:43:19.539 known for like, you know, doing super crazy kind 00:43:19.539 --> 00:43:22.679 of like dangerous things to film his movies. 00:43:22.739 --> 00:43:25.500 Like, you know, he has a movie Fitzcarraldo, 00:43:25.519 --> 00:43:28.639 for example, where the part of the plot of that 00:43:28.639 --> 00:43:32.360 movie involves like taking this gigantic ship 00:43:32.360 --> 00:43:35.179 through the jungle and they have to like take 00:43:35.179 --> 00:43:39.650 it up like this. extremely muddy hill and and 00:43:39.650 --> 00:43:43.130 they actually did that like they like actually 00:43:43.130 --> 00:43:45.389 did it when they were filming it and like people 00:43:45.389 --> 00:43:48.610 died doing it and stuff and he also worked uh 00:43:48.610 --> 00:43:53.010 a lot with the actor klaus kinski and i i know 00:43:53.010 --> 00:43:55.110 they kind of had some like violent incidents 00:43:55.110 --> 00:43:57.369 with each other during shoots and things like 00:43:57.369 --> 00:43:59.829 that like getting it i guess my my big question 00:43:59.829 --> 00:44:03.050 it's just a big question i don't have a definitive 00:44:03.050 --> 00:44:08.889 answer who does At what point can your, let's 00:44:08.889 --> 00:44:15.010 say, let's say abusive eccentricities be maybe 00:44:15.010 --> 00:44:18.170 more tolerated because you are Werner Herzog 00:44:18.170 --> 00:44:22.949 and you're making, you know, a masterpiece or 00:44:22.949 --> 00:44:26.650 you're you're making At Midnight I'll Take Your 00:44:26.650 --> 00:44:31.489 Soul, which has its own merits. But can we can 00:44:31.489 --> 00:44:35.789 we excuse this director for that kind of. Yeah, 00:44:36.409 --> 00:44:38.309 I don't know that there's anything in it that's 00:44:38.309 --> 00:44:42.010 worth pointing a gun at somebody for. Yeah. I 00:44:42.010 --> 00:44:44.550 would say that, yeah. And that's not to excuse 00:44:44.550 --> 00:44:48.090 that if Spielberg pointed a gun at somebody, 00:44:48.130 --> 00:44:50.190 I'd still say that's unacceptable, good sir. 00:44:50.510 --> 00:44:54.949 Yeah. But I hope my point is just out there and 00:44:54.949 --> 00:44:57.789 you get where I'm coming from. Yeah. Yeah, my 00:44:57.789 --> 00:45:01.710 own stance on stuff like that is I kind of, you 00:45:01.710 --> 00:45:04.619 know. separate that i guess from the results 00:45:04.619 --> 00:45:08.019 on screen a little bit you know i don't think 00:45:08.019 --> 00:45:11.579 that like praising a work of art is necessarily 00:45:11.579 --> 00:45:14.980 you know praising the person who created it because 00:45:14.980 --> 00:45:19.199 obviously a lot of artists are very you know 00:45:19.199 --> 00:45:22.940 damaged flawed people even if they're they're 00:45:22.940 --> 00:45:26.860 geniuses of what they do but yeah but yeah like 00:45:26.860 --> 00:45:28.719 you say everyone's going to have their own own 00:45:28.719 --> 00:45:31.619 line with that sort of thing I kind of think 00:45:31.619 --> 00:45:34.219 of Kubrick directing Shelley Duvall in The Shining 00:45:34.219 --> 00:45:36.360 and some of the emotional turmoil that he put 00:45:36.360 --> 00:45:38.980 her through. Great example. Like William Friedkin 00:45:38.980 --> 00:45:41.219 on the set of The Exorcist, right before they 00:45:41.219 --> 00:45:43.900 shot a scene, he slapped the actor who played 00:45:43.900 --> 00:45:46.679 the priest really hard to get that sort of dazed 00:45:46.679 --> 00:45:50.480 expression on his face. And yeah, it's an interesting 00:45:50.480 --> 00:45:53.880 ethical question. Do the ends justify the means? 00:45:53.980 --> 00:45:56.400 I'm definitely not saying that. I just think 00:45:56.400 --> 00:45:58.300 it's interesting, like larger than life people 00:45:58.300 --> 00:46:01.460 who kind of are abrasive personalities. I don't 00:46:01.460 --> 00:46:03.179 really want to know them or work with them, but 00:46:03.179 --> 00:46:04.960 it's like fascinating to hear about that stuff, 00:46:05.000 --> 00:46:08.039 you know? Yeah. We can go on and on about examples, 00:46:08.159 --> 00:46:12.420 actors, directors, producers. It can get gross 00:46:12.420 --> 00:46:15.380 pretty fast. So I don't mind moving on to plenty 00:46:15.380 --> 00:46:17.219 of other gross things that we're going to talk 00:46:17.219 --> 00:46:20.059 about. Yeah, yeah. This is a gross movie, for 00:46:20.059 --> 00:46:23.579 sure. Sometimes in fun ways. I don't know if 00:46:23.579 --> 00:46:26.920 that sounds like a paradox, but yeah, a gross, 00:46:26.920 --> 00:46:28.639 fun movie. Hard to watch at times, though, too. 00:46:29.019 --> 00:46:31.199 Apparently, other audiences thought so as well 00:46:31.199 --> 00:46:33.719 in Brazil when it was released on November 9th, 00:46:33.719 --> 00:46:37.820 1964. It was an unexpected hit. I tried to find 00:46:37.820 --> 00:46:39.860 budget and box office figures, but maybe not 00:46:39.860 --> 00:46:41.920 surprisingly, they are very hard to find on the 00:46:41.920 --> 00:46:44.699 internet for this movie. But Brazilian film historians, 00:46:45.099 --> 00:46:48.300 Laura Canepa is one example. I read an essay 00:46:48.300 --> 00:46:50.820 that she wrote. She says that the first two Coffin 00:46:50.820 --> 00:46:53.179 Joe films were major box office hits that allowed 00:46:53.179 --> 00:46:56.940 horror films to find their place in Brazil. The 00:46:56.940 --> 00:46:59.239 film did raise controversy when it was released. 00:46:59.300 --> 00:47:01.900 There was a military dictatorship that had just 00:47:01.900 --> 00:47:03.860 been established in Brazil about seven months 00:47:03.860 --> 00:47:09.199 earlier in 1964 that later, like many, you know, 00:47:09.199 --> 00:47:13.039 I think that dictatorship lasted like... 20 -some 00:47:13.039 --> 00:47:16.219 years, and censorship got, you know, very strict, 00:47:16.400 --> 00:47:19.480 more strict as time went on. But even in this 00:47:19.480 --> 00:47:22.380 early stage, they did censor this movie. It was 00:47:22.380 --> 00:47:24.880 still released, and in some places it was released 00:47:24.880 --> 00:47:27.559 in like an uncensored version, but in other places 00:47:27.559 --> 00:47:30.719 the government did censor the film. In one case, 00:47:30.719 --> 00:47:32.800 a government bureaucrat actually rewrote the 00:47:32.800 --> 00:47:34.880 dialogue in a late scene and dubbed over it. 00:47:35.420 --> 00:47:37.860 Presumably some of the very blasphemous sacrilegious 00:47:37.860 --> 00:47:40.480 dialogue is what the government took offense 00:47:40.480 --> 00:47:43.139 with. The film, Admin That'll Take Your Soul, 00:47:43.260 --> 00:47:46.739 helped give rise to a film movement called Cinema 00:47:46.739 --> 00:47:49.880 da Boca do Lixo. I don't know if I'm pronouncing 00:47:49.880 --> 00:47:52.480 that right. In English, that roughly translates 00:47:52.480 --> 00:47:56.460 to Cinema of the Mouth of Garbage, through which 00:47:56.460 --> 00:47:58.820 independent filmmakers in Brazil resisted the 00:47:58.820 --> 00:48:01.099 increasingly strict censorship of the government. 00:48:01.900 --> 00:48:04.420 And as we already talked about, the success of 00:48:04.420 --> 00:48:07.639 this film and the second Coffin Joe film led 00:48:07.639 --> 00:48:09.860 to the establishment of that character as a huge 00:48:09.860 --> 00:48:13.760 pop culture figure in Brazil who remained popular, 00:48:13.760 --> 00:48:16.340 if controversial, for several decades thereafter. 00:48:17.179 --> 00:48:20.940 All right, time for our sponsor break. I don't 00:48:20.940 --> 00:48:22.500 know how our sponsor feels about going right 00:48:22.500 --> 00:48:24.980 from Coffin Joe to a sponsor break, but here 00:48:24.980 --> 00:48:27.119 it is nonetheless. 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I don't think 00:49:02.500 --> 00:49:06.260 that happens enough with mainstream movies these 00:49:06.260 --> 00:49:09.579 days. So, you know, maybe it's worth checking 00:49:09.579 --> 00:49:12.639 out. Everyone's talking about it. I'm excited 00:49:12.639 --> 00:49:21.179 to see it. We have an email from longtime listener 00:49:21.179 --> 00:49:26.940 Kaiju Nick, who emailed us in support. Actually, 00:49:27.039 --> 00:49:31.300 Kaiju Nick. commented on our website, CampKaijuPodcast 00:49:31.300 --> 00:49:35.900 .com. He commented in response to our recent 00:49:35.900 --> 00:49:39.119 special episode about Tom Shabilla's book, King 00:49:39.119 --> 00:49:41.920 Kong vs. Godzilla. And Tom was on the episode 00:49:41.920 --> 00:49:44.480 to talk about his book. But Kaiju Nick says, 00:49:44.780 --> 00:49:48.340 Camp Kaiju, the Mozart string quartets, the Sistine 00:49:48.340 --> 00:49:53.139 Chapel, King Kong escapes. Monet's water lilies, 00:49:53.280 --> 00:49:58.139 Beethoven's symphonies, King Kong escapes. Great 00:49:58.139 --> 00:50:05.260 achievements of mankind. Wow. Amazing. Kaiju 00:50:05.260 --> 00:50:07.739 Nick, thank you. You always know just what to 00:50:07.739 --> 00:50:11.559 say. I agree. King Kong Escapes. Don't sleep 00:50:11.559 --> 00:50:17.900 on it, folks. I have a soft spot for the 1976. 00:50:18.300 --> 00:50:20.219 Is that when it came out? That remake of King 00:50:20.219 --> 00:50:22.480 Kong. I might like that one a little bit more 00:50:22.480 --> 00:50:25.099 than King Kong vs. Godzilla or King Kong Escapes, 00:50:25.139 --> 00:50:28.440 but that is just my opinion. We'll see. We'll 00:50:28.440 --> 00:50:30.519 see. We're going to be watching and talking about 00:50:30.519 --> 00:50:33.340 that movie soon. Yeah. So thank you, Kaiju Nick. 00:50:33.400 --> 00:50:36.500 Thank you, Jim. Thank you to all writing in, 00:50:36.599 --> 00:50:38.539 calling in. We have some voicemails we're going 00:50:38.539 --> 00:50:41.139 to feature on our next episode, Black Scorpion. 00:50:41.539 --> 00:50:44.900 So stay tuned. I didn't know we had voicemails. 00:50:44.980 --> 00:50:48.280 That's exciting. Yeah. Is it cranky anchors? 00:50:48.340 --> 00:50:55.139 I hope it is. Was it you? You finally listened 00:50:55.139 --> 00:50:57.300 to it. I've been waiting for you to talk about 00:50:57.300 --> 00:51:00.599 it. Maybe it was Peter Lorre. He's he's he's 00:51:00.599 --> 00:51:03.679 he's going to talk. OK, so he's he's I don't 00:51:03.679 --> 00:51:05.300 know. He's kind of in and out right now with 00:51:05.300 --> 00:51:07.059 communication. I thought he was having a good 00:51:07.059 --> 00:51:10.519 time on vacation doing his thing remote. But 00:51:10.519 --> 00:51:14.500 I think his wife, Lenore, this is some sad news. 00:51:14.619 --> 00:51:16.800 You know how she was a raven at the end of last 00:51:16.800 --> 00:51:21.039 season and he recited the poem The Raven and 00:51:21.039 --> 00:51:24.130 through the powers of black magic. Lenore became 00:51:24.130 --> 00:51:26.170 a beautiful woman. You remember that, right? 00:51:26.610 --> 00:51:31.809 Oh, yeah. Yeah. Well, sad news. Lenore is starting 00:51:31.809 --> 00:51:34.889 to sprout feathers and turn back into a raven. 00:51:35.409 --> 00:51:38.710 That is sad news. Support for Peter and Lenore 00:51:38.710 --> 00:51:40.469 in this moment. I don't know what's going to 00:51:40.469 --> 00:51:44.869 happen with that situation, but bless him. He's 00:51:44.869 --> 00:51:47.070 recording his things and he's sending them in 00:51:47.070 --> 00:51:52.070 as he can. This week's episode is about a 1946. 00:51:53.199 --> 00:51:57.860 film called The Face of Marble. Our Letterboxd 00:51:57.860 --> 00:52:03.199 synopsis reads, The Last Gasp in Chillers. It 00:52:03.199 --> 00:52:06.300 is the story of Dr. Charles Randolph, a scientist 00:52:06.300 --> 00:52:09.000 dedicated to deciphering the secrets of life 00:52:09.000 --> 00:52:12.440 and death. Aided by assistant David Cochran, 00:52:12.579 --> 00:52:15.320 Charles conducts experiments that have horrifying 00:52:15.320 --> 00:52:18.940 side effects. Charles' lonely wife, Elaine, is 00:52:18.940 --> 00:52:21.219 frightened by his work, and in order to protect 00:52:21.219 --> 00:52:24.519 her, Housekeeper Maria unleashes a torrent of, 00:52:24.579 --> 00:52:30.500 here it is, voodoo that wreaks havoc. Mad scientists, 00:52:30.920 --> 00:52:34.599 voodoo witch doctors. Sure. You can either go 00:52:34.599 --> 00:52:38.440 very wrong or be just perfect. I don't know yet. 00:52:40.099 --> 00:52:43.159 I'm hoping for just perfect. For Peter Lorre's 00:52:43.159 --> 00:52:45.239 sake, I'm hoping for just perfect. He needs a 00:52:45.239 --> 00:52:47.800 feel -good movie these days. Maybe this will 00:52:47.800 --> 00:52:50.920 be it for him. He loves this stuff. Yeah. John 00:52:50.920 --> 00:52:53.059 Carradine is in this movie, I just want to mention. 00:52:54.400 --> 00:52:57.179 I get the Carradines mixed up. Am I the only 00:52:57.179 --> 00:52:59.099 one? Do you guys get the Carradines mixed up 00:52:59.099 --> 00:53:01.239 as well? No. Because Keith Carradine is the younger 00:53:01.239 --> 00:53:04.280 one, okay. Right? John Carradine is the older 00:53:04.280 --> 00:53:06.360 one? John Carradine, I believe, is the father 00:53:06.360 --> 00:53:09.420 of Keith Carradine and even Robert Carradine. 00:53:10.059 --> 00:53:13.340 And there's... David Carradine? David Carradine. 00:53:13.980 --> 00:53:16.679 David might be the most well -known one, right? 00:53:16.780 --> 00:53:19.679 Is he the one that's in Kill Bill? Yeah. Yeah. 00:53:19.739 --> 00:53:22.619 David's the only one where I can like for sure 00:53:22.619 --> 00:53:24.739 picture him offhand. I'm sure I'd like recognize 00:53:24.739 --> 00:53:27.280 the other guys if I saw them. But yeah, he's 00:53:27.280 --> 00:53:28.539 the only one where I'm like, all right, this 00:53:28.539 --> 00:53:33.059 this face goes with this guy. Right. Keith Carradine. 00:53:33.599 --> 00:53:38.239 Aha. Was Keith and Q the winged serpent? One 00:53:38.239 --> 00:53:40.519 of the Carradines was, I think. We're getting 00:53:40.519 --> 00:53:44.139 real off base now. Sorry. You know, Carradine 00:53:44.139 --> 00:53:47.639 podcast coming to you. Yes. David Carradine. 00:53:48.420 --> 00:53:52.079 Right. He had the unfortunate demise in a closet. 00:53:52.840 --> 00:53:56.280 But I was thinking of the other Carradine who 00:53:56.280 --> 00:53:58.500 just died, actually, but he was in Revenge of 00:53:58.500 --> 00:54:03.199 the Nerds. He was the youngest. Oh. He just died? 00:54:03.559 --> 00:54:06.719 Yeah, he did. His name is Robert Carradine. He 00:54:06.719 --> 00:54:10.840 was also the dad on Lizzie McGuire. Okay. Yes. 00:54:11.360 --> 00:54:13.280 I hope we bring Lizzie McGuire to the podcast 00:54:13.280 --> 00:54:15.460 someday, too. It's only a matter of time, right? 00:54:16.590 --> 00:54:18.429 You know, if we're doing this when we're 80, 00:54:18.650 --> 00:54:23.550 I will welcome Lizzie McGuire on the show. Out 00:54:23.550 --> 00:54:28.550 of monster movies. We'll find some extremely 00:54:28.550 --> 00:54:30.690 thin way to connect it. I don't know how exactly. 00:54:31.429 --> 00:54:35.989 Yeah. Rest in peace, the Carradines. And thank 00:54:35.989 --> 00:54:38.969 you, Mr. Laurie. I hope Lenore is doing all right. 00:54:39.829 --> 00:54:42.829 He loved Lenore as a raven, right? So maybe he's 00:54:42.829 --> 00:54:44.750 kind of okay with her reverting to avian form. 00:54:45.480 --> 00:54:49.039 You know, you just have you never know. You know, 00:54:49.039 --> 00:54:51.239 relationships are personal. They're private. 00:54:51.460 --> 00:54:54.239 You know, I'm not going to I know how I would 00:54:54.239 --> 00:54:58.059 feel if Ellen turned into a bird. Not great. 00:54:58.500 --> 00:55:02.780 But I'm not I'm not Peter Lorre, who is a reanimated 00:55:02.780 --> 00:55:06.559 corpse among the living. So who knows? You never 00:55:06.559 --> 00:55:22.559 know with that guy. Yeah. Welcome to the Poverty 00:55:22.559 --> 00:55:25.960 Row Studios on the other side of Hollywood, where 00:55:25.960 --> 00:55:28.900 the stars were dimmer and the red carpets dripped 00:55:28.900 --> 00:55:32.280 with blood. Together we will watch the best of 00:55:32.280 --> 00:55:35.300 the worst. Yes, movies known for their limited 00:55:35.300 --> 00:55:38.300 budgets, outlandish concepts, and questionable 00:55:38.300 --> 00:55:41.239 performances. But with enough haunted houses, 00:55:41.460 --> 00:55:44.099 zombies, ape men, and devil bats to keep you 00:55:44.099 --> 00:55:47.380 up at night, this is the Poverty Row Picture 00:55:47.380 --> 00:55:50.809 Show. And I dare you to sleep through these nightmares. 00:55:54.809 --> 00:55:58.909 Greetings, guys and ghouls. I am your devilish 00:55:58.909 --> 00:56:02.309 host, Peter Lorre. You may remember me from such 00:56:02.309 --> 00:56:06.329 sinister cinematic movies as M. Do you remember? 00:56:06.469 --> 00:56:09.610 The Fritz Lang picture that came after L and 00:56:09.610 --> 00:56:17.190 right before N. And, oh, who am I kidding? Listeners. 00:56:17.480 --> 00:56:20.300 I have not been my usual quick -witted self these 00:56:20.300 --> 00:56:24.619 days. You see, my beautiful Lenore, once a raven, 00:56:24.719 --> 00:56:27.539 is inexplicably returning to that frightening 00:56:27.539 --> 00:56:32.539 feathered form. Oh, Lenore. Lenore, I do not 00:56:32.539 --> 00:56:36.280 have it in me to recite another poem, and yet... 00:56:36.280 --> 00:56:42.980 Oh, ye gods, what am I to do? Well, keep calm 00:56:42.980 --> 00:56:46.179 and carry on, they say. This week I am reviewing 00:56:46.179 --> 00:56:49.320 a monogrammed film called The Face of Marble 00:56:49.320 --> 00:56:53.780 from 1946. It stars John Carradine, yes, as a 00:56:53.780 --> 00:56:56.300 scientist who seeks to bring the dead back to 00:56:56.300 --> 00:56:59.900 life through some electroshock mechanism. In 00:56:59.900 --> 00:57:02.840 true B -movie fashion, his experiments with the 00:57:02.840 --> 00:57:06.159 contraband cadavers naturally runs afoul of the 00:57:06.159 --> 00:57:09.840 law and his beloved. But that is not all. The 00:57:09.840 --> 00:57:12.679 Face of Marble truly takes a turn for the bizarro 00:57:12.679 --> 00:57:15.659 when the housekeeper... is a voodoo witch doctor 00:57:15.659 --> 00:57:19.099 and through a series of unfortunate events mistakenly 00:57:19.099 --> 00:57:23.179 kills Carradine's wife. But fear not. The dearly 00:57:23.179 --> 00:57:25.719 departed is, yes, you guessed it, brought back 00:57:25.719 --> 00:57:28.380 to life through the mad machinations of the doctor. 00:57:29.039 --> 00:57:33.880 Except not. Except she is more of a ghost who 00:57:33.880 --> 00:57:36.400 is now roaming the house for revenge with her 00:57:36.400 --> 00:57:40.059 dog who died earlier and is now also a ghost. 00:57:42.579 --> 00:57:45.159 Listeners, The Face of Marble is as strange as 00:57:45.159 --> 00:57:48.920 its title. It hardly makes a lick of sense, and 00:57:48.920 --> 00:57:52.639 yet, somehow in its 70 minutes, perhaps, perhaps 00:57:52.639 --> 00:57:55.400 it is strange enough to sit through. Perhaps 00:57:55.400 --> 00:57:59.480 our next movie will be even more bizarre. A monster 00:57:59.480 --> 00:58:02.840 flick called The Flying Serpent starring that 00:58:02.840 --> 00:58:11.440 rascal George Zuko. What? What is this? What? 00:58:11.900 --> 00:58:14.579 My podcasting microphone is picking up a message. 00:58:14.679 --> 00:58:18.519 It appears to be a coded signal from the gods. 00:58:18.900 --> 00:58:23.239 No, it cannot be. But yes, yes, listeners, it 00:58:23.239 --> 00:58:27.239 is coming from out there, from a world beyond 00:58:27.239 --> 00:58:32.800 ours. Perhaps it is a message of hope for Lenore. 00:58:33.219 --> 00:58:36.619 Speak to me, ye gods of the outer limits. Speak 00:58:36.619 --> 00:58:53.690 to me. The artist. The poet. The figure model 00:58:53.690 --> 00:58:59.110 who loves to show it. You suppose he could be 00:58:59.110 --> 00:59:01.789 physically attracted to her? No, man, he ain't 00:59:01.789 --> 00:59:04.630 the type. He don't get enough vitamin E. All 00:59:04.630 --> 00:59:09.670 these are beat. All these you'll meet in a bucket 00:59:09.670 --> 00:59:15.309 of blood. Let us make the scene. Crazy. Come. 00:59:15.880 --> 00:59:20.880 Enjoy yourself. Where the hilarious enjoy the 00:59:20.880 --> 00:59:26.300 horrifying. In a bucket of blood. Now you're 00:59:26.300 --> 00:59:32.340 going to shoot me. Don't shoot. Come to the land 00:59:32.340 --> 00:59:35.760 of living dreams. Where realists dream of the 00:59:35.760 --> 00:59:38.719 unreal. Walter, you've done something to me. 00:59:39.219 --> 00:59:43.239 Something deep down inside of my prana. Oh, Walter, 00:59:43.280 --> 00:59:48.119 I want to be with you. You're creative. Beatniks 00:59:48.119 --> 00:59:51.619 at their bawdiest. The creative urge at its most 00:59:51.619 --> 00:59:55.300 primitive. I'm deeply moved. And I shall compose 00:59:55.300 --> 01:00:00.320 a poem. Love is art. Art is love. It's the weirdest 01:00:00.320 --> 01:00:02.900 and the wildest. I don't want to make statues 01:00:02.900 --> 01:00:27.289 anymore. I want to get married. To you. I hope 01:00:27.289 --> 01:00:30.190 they're doing well. So back to At Midnight, I'll 01:00:30.190 --> 01:00:33.170 Take Your Soul. For better or worse, we'll go 01:00:33.170 --> 01:00:36.929 back to that movie. So what themes are in this 01:00:36.929 --> 01:00:38.969 movie? I do have some written down here, but 01:00:38.969 --> 01:00:41.230 I feel like maybe we can just say what's on the 01:00:41.230 --> 01:00:43.730 top of our heads. Any themes jump out at you 01:00:43.730 --> 01:00:47.190 guys? I think one thing that's interesting about 01:00:47.190 --> 01:00:50.110 this movie is the... Well, first of all, the 01:00:50.110 --> 01:00:53.849 protagonist is also the bad guy, clearly. He's 01:00:53.849 --> 01:00:57.440 a horrible human being. you know, murder and 01:00:57.440 --> 01:01:01.920 rapist and, uh, you know, just a all around horrible 01:01:01.920 --> 01:01:08.760 guy. And, but he is the, the, the monsters who 01:01:08.760 --> 01:01:13.340 sort of wind up haunting him or, you know, attacking 01:01:13.340 --> 01:01:20.159 him in some ways are not, not exactly necessarily 01:01:20.159 --> 01:01:24.039 like these godly figures, but it sort of seems 01:01:24.039 --> 01:01:27.550 like. The god who he doesn't believe in is sort 01:01:27.550 --> 01:01:29.989 of getting a revenge on him through these monsters, 01:01:30.150 --> 01:01:32.369 which is an interesting reversal from how it 01:01:32.369 --> 01:01:35.030 normally is. Normally in horror movies, it's 01:01:35.030 --> 01:01:37.869 like people don't believe in these demonic forces 01:01:37.869 --> 01:01:40.510 or something, and then those are attacking them. 01:01:40.650 --> 01:01:46.389 But in this case, this is a guy who's very staunchly 01:01:46.389 --> 01:01:52.900 denouncing religion. that religion in some form 01:01:52.900 --> 01:01:57.659 seems to be coming back to, to haunt him. Yeah. 01:01:57.760 --> 01:02:02.440 Religion's huge in this movie. There's, there's 01:02:02.440 --> 01:02:06.340 a whole day of the dead, a period of time in 01:02:06.340 --> 01:02:09.219 the film. I think the climax happens on the, 01:02:09.239 --> 01:02:11.860 the day of the dead, which is a holy day in this 01:02:11.860 --> 01:02:14.139 movie and other towns, people like they won't 01:02:14.139 --> 01:02:16.639 even venture out. Everyone's shut in because 01:02:16.639 --> 01:02:18.980 they respect the spirits that they do believe 01:02:18.980 --> 01:02:23.579 in. And Coffin Joe is just laughing in the face 01:02:23.579 --> 01:02:28.860 of all and any, I don't know, moral code or respect 01:02:28.860 --> 01:02:33.480 for not just religion, but like, because at that 01:02:33.480 --> 01:02:35.539 point, it's almost like beyond religion. It's 01:02:35.539 --> 01:02:40.440 like, these are our beliefs. This is our culture. 01:02:41.019 --> 01:02:45.539 And Coffin Joe has no respect for any sort of 01:02:45.539 --> 01:02:49.150 grounding element in these people's lives. Like 01:02:49.150 --> 01:02:51.630 they're, they believe because it helps them through 01:02:51.630 --> 01:02:55.050 their day. And he's like, no, I just want to, 01:02:55.130 --> 01:02:58.630 I don't know, do what I want to do. He's taking 01:02:58.630 --> 01:03:03.869 care of number one. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's, 01:03:03.869 --> 01:03:07.469 but I will say the, there are moments where he 01:03:07.469 --> 01:03:09.769 does struggle with his faith. Those are the more 01:03:09.769 --> 01:03:12.869 interesting point parts of the film to me. He 01:03:12.869 --> 01:03:17.190 has this really long monologue rant. shaking 01:03:17.190 --> 01:03:21.730 his fist at the heavens scene where he's, I think, 01:03:21.750 --> 01:03:26.170 effectively, well, it's shot and performed effectively 01:03:26.170 --> 01:03:31.469 to convey his internal struggle in very outsized 01:03:31.469 --> 01:03:37.050 terms. So I found that effective. Yeah, I read 01:03:37.050 --> 01:03:39.309 an interesting review that said that even though 01:03:39.309 --> 01:03:42.369 he has no belief in God or religion or the afterlife 01:03:42.369 --> 01:03:45.760 or any kind of moral code, basically, Still, 01:03:45.900 --> 01:03:49.559 when like the witch, the evil witch, the old 01:03:49.559 --> 01:03:51.340 hag, I think is what the credits call her, not 01:03:51.340 --> 01:03:54.360 very kindly. But when she gives him his like 01:03:54.360 --> 01:03:59.000 very, you know, gloomy, you know, she reads his 01:03:59.000 --> 01:04:00.679 fortune and it's very, she's like, you're going 01:04:00.679 --> 01:04:02.139 to die. You're going to be sucked down to hell, 01:04:02.159 --> 01:04:04.159 basically. You'll be tormented. I mean, he's 01:04:04.159 --> 01:04:06.639 like, you know, he gets very angry. He's even 01:04:06.639 --> 01:04:09.079 maybe scared a little bit. So one of the reviews 01:04:09.079 --> 01:04:10.539 I read was like, he doesn't really believe in 01:04:10.539 --> 01:04:12.179 this stuff. And yet he's also terrified that 01:04:12.179 --> 01:04:15.010 it might be true. yeah that's that's universal 01:04:15.010 --> 01:04:18.670 that's very identifiable i mean even the faithful 01:04:18.670 --> 01:04:22.929 among us we still have of you know we still think 01:04:22.929 --> 01:04:26.309 yeah but like we don't know and it's that idea 01:04:26.309 --> 01:04:29.769 i mean i reverse the example but like if you're 01:04:29.769 --> 01:04:34.210 not faithful i you still don't know like nobody 01:04:34.210 --> 01:04:37.989 knows you know i i was just gonna say i think 01:04:37.989 --> 01:04:40.530 it's interesting too that it's like the director's 01:04:40.530 --> 01:04:44.039 own bad experiences with Catholicism informed 01:04:44.039 --> 01:04:46.639 this movie because I, I had the impression watching 01:04:46.639 --> 01:04:50.659 it that, you know, it almost plays a little bit 01:04:50.659 --> 01:04:53.800 like a, like a grim fairy tale or something, 01:04:53.880 --> 01:04:56.460 you know, where like, it, it seems like the, 01:04:56.519 --> 01:05:01.440 the ultimate lesson is he should have believed 01:05:01.440 --> 01:05:03.920 in, in God and all these, these things that are 01:05:03.920 --> 01:05:07.059 like inherent in Brazilian culture that he's 01:05:07.059 --> 01:05:09.880 railing against. Because, you know, ultimately 01:05:09.880 --> 01:05:13.780 it kind of overtakes, you know, he's sort of 01:05:13.780 --> 01:05:17.960 proven wrong by the end of the movie. But yeah, 01:05:18.099 --> 01:05:22.179 so I think that's interesting that he, you know, 01:05:22.179 --> 01:05:25.659 the real person is sort of anti -Catholicism 01:05:25.659 --> 01:05:29.760 because it just seems like it's such an ingrained 01:05:29.760 --> 01:05:32.000 part of the culture that he comes from that he's 01:05:32.000 --> 01:05:36.079 still on some level. You know, it's just so much 01:05:36.079 --> 01:05:40.400 a part of him and everything he was raised with 01:05:40.400 --> 01:05:45.500 that it must inform everything he does, you know? 01:05:45.699 --> 01:05:50.019 Yeah, and the fact that Coffin Joe is him, like, 01:05:50.099 --> 01:05:52.920 he became so closely entwined with his alter 01:05:52.920 --> 01:05:56.579 ego, essentially. Like, that is such an interesting 01:05:56.579 --> 01:06:00.360 layer to this whole conversation because I'm 01:06:00.360 --> 01:06:03.670 just speaking personally. And based on what I 01:06:03.670 --> 01:06:08.050 what little I do know about Jose Marines, I don't 01:06:08.050 --> 01:06:10.349 know if I'm watching a character like I feel 01:06:10.349 --> 01:06:14.469 like I'm watching a man who has been given permission 01:06:14.469 --> 01:06:19.409 to like bring his fantasies to life through the 01:06:19.409 --> 01:06:23.909 construct of film. And that that that makes me 01:06:23.909 --> 01:06:28.130 uncomfortable. Yeah, this man makes me uncomfortable. 01:06:28.329 --> 01:06:31.239 I'm not going to lie. This character, this director, 01:06:31.360 --> 01:06:34.219 I'm uncomfortable with this whole thing. Yeah, 01:06:34.320 --> 01:06:36.460 the character certainly is not a good dude. The 01:06:36.460 --> 01:06:38.400 director, that's probably a little more debatable, 01:06:38.500 --> 01:06:40.139 but the character definitely is not somebody 01:06:40.139 --> 01:06:43.940 you want to emulate for sure. I'm not really 01:06:43.940 --> 01:06:46.679 up on my Nietzschean philosophy, but some of 01:06:46.679 --> 01:06:51.320 the dialogue is verbatim from the theory of the 01:06:51.320 --> 01:06:53.559 Ubermensch or the Superman who thinks that he's 01:06:53.559 --> 01:06:55.360 superior to everybody else because everybody 01:06:55.360 --> 01:06:58.500 else is kind of ignorant and foolish and believes 01:06:58.500 --> 01:07:01.219 in these superstitions. And the Ubermensch is 01:07:01.219 --> 01:07:04.659 the only one who has the courage to understand. 01:07:05.710 --> 01:07:08.130 the world and like get whatever he wants. Basically, 01:07:08.150 --> 01:07:10.590 it's a very Nietzschean concept. So there have 01:07:10.590 --> 01:07:12.570 been some things written about that aspect of 01:07:12.570 --> 01:07:14.849 Coffin Joe's character. But yeah, basically, 01:07:14.889 --> 01:07:17.349 he's just a selfish prick, you know, like he 01:07:17.349 --> 01:07:20.070 and he's punished for it. Frank, I think what 01:07:20.070 --> 01:07:22.590 you said, you know, he's punished by the God 01:07:22.590 --> 01:07:24.769 that he doesn't believe in. I really like that 01:07:24.769 --> 01:07:27.429 point a lot. And I think it is interesting to 01:07:27.429 --> 01:07:29.809 think like how much Catholicism has permeated 01:07:29.809 --> 01:07:33.070 Brazilian culture that, you know, it's so much 01:07:33.070 --> 01:07:36.090 a part of this movie, even if it's supposedly 01:07:36.090 --> 01:07:38.789 against that, you know? There's a really good 01:07:38.789 --> 01:07:41.929 quote by this critic named Dan Stalkup. I'd never 01:07:41.929 --> 01:07:44.429 heard of him before. Maybe I can add a link to 01:07:44.429 --> 01:07:46.070 the show notes later, but it's a really good 01:07:46.070 --> 01:07:48.650 review. And he writes, whether God is real and 01:07:48.650 --> 01:07:51.309 righteously bestowing vengeance to the sacrilegious 01:07:51.309 --> 01:07:54.449 Joe, or God is a myth and Joe simply drives himself 01:07:54.449 --> 01:07:57.929 mad with his exaggerated nihilism, it ultimately 01:07:57.929 --> 01:08:01.070 does not matter because the concept of God defeats 01:08:01.070 --> 01:08:03.710 Joe either way. I really love that line. And 01:08:03.710 --> 01:08:05.170 I think that kind of gets to the tension at the 01:08:05.170 --> 01:08:07.030 heart of the movie a little bit. I'll try to 01:08:07.030 --> 01:08:08.650 make it brief, but we're talking about philosophy 01:08:08.650 --> 01:08:10.210 now. I didn't expect to go in this direction. 01:08:10.309 --> 01:08:14.170 I love it. To me, it's directly tying back into 01:08:14.170 --> 01:08:17.989 our addiction episode, which was all about philosophy. 01:08:18.289 --> 01:08:21.489 And it was all about, I don't remember the exact 01:08:21.489 --> 01:08:25.250 terms or schools of philosophy, but if you're 01:08:25.250 --> 01:08:29.489 talking about, that's a legit study. We all have 01:08:29.489 --> 01:08:33.750 Coffin Joe's tendencies. Many would argue, but 01:08:33.750 --> 01:08:36.109 we keep them in check through cultural norms, 01:08:36.289 --> 01:08:41.029 through our own codes. But like, you know, if 01:08:41.029 --> 01:08:45.289 we chose to, we could all be as violent as coffin 01:08:45.289 --> 01:08:50.489 Joe. So in that sense, this movie shouldn't be 01:08:50.489 --> 01:08:53.229 viewed as like a realistic movie. It should be 01:08:53.229 --> 01:08:56.710 viewed as almost a fantasy. Like here's a, here's 01:08:56.710 --> 01:09:00.109 the ego gone mad. This is what, what it could 01:09:00.109 --> 01:09:02.699 look like. Yeah. Do whatever the hell you want. 01:09:03.880 --> 01:09:06.079 Ultimately, there is a consequence. I don't know. 01:09:06.100 --> 01:09:08.020 You can go in a lot of different directions with, 01:09:08.060 --> 01:09:11.140 with what we're talking about here. Yeah. I thought 01:09:11.140 --> 01:09:14.399 also was interesting that he's, you know, he's 01:09:14.399 --> 01:09:16.920 sort of a guy who considers himself like genetically 01:09:16.920 --> 01:09:20.939 superior and everything. And yet he's kind of, 01:09:20.939 --> 01:09:23.140 even though he is like a creepy guy, he's kind 01:09:23.140 --> 01:09:25.899 of like this, like weird little twerp, which, 01:09:25.899 --> 01:09:31.979 you know, you see. Not to get too much into modern 01:09:31.979 --> 01:09:35.159 culture war stuff that we're all tired of, but 01:09:35.159 --> 01:09:40.960 you see that sort of thing play out in society 01:09:40.960 --> 01:09:45.079 a lot with people who maybe consider themselves 01:09:45.079 --> 01:09:48.279 to be sort of a part of a quote -unquote superior 01:09:48.279 --> 01:09:50.699 race or whatever. And then you look at them and 01:09:50.699 --> 01:09:53.300 you're like, okay, but you're like a gross little 01:09:53.300 --> 01:09:57.340 guy. I don't know. It kind of reminded me of 01:09:57.340 --> 01:09:59.979 that a bit as well. So one kind of interesting 01:09:59.979 --> 01:10:02.140 subtext to the Coffin Joe character that I did 01:10:02.140 --> 01:10:05.060 not put in the program notes, but Marines didn't 01:10:05.060 --> 01:10:07.220 include this in any of the Coffin Joe films, 01:10:07.300 --> 01:10:09.560 but he did say in an interview that the way he 01:10:09.560 --> 01:10:11.960 saw it, he thought Coffin Joe served in World 01:10:11.960 --> 01:10:15.600 War II for Brazil, like in the Air Force, I think, 01:10:15.720 --> 01:10:18.699 like Brazil was an ally during World War II. 01:10:18.899 --> 01:10:21.500 So the way he sees it, Coffin Joe served in the 01:10:21.500 --> 01:10:24.000 Air Force for Brazil during World War II and 01:10:24.000 --> 01:10:25.779 then returned home and discovered that his wife 01:10:25.779 --> 01:10:28.340 had cheated on him. And that kind of like leads 01:10:28.340 --> 01:10:32.060 to his obsession with like having a son and also 01:10:32.060 --> 01:10:34.539 his misogyny and also his like overall like violence 01:10:34.539 --> 01:10:37.659 towards the world. You know, like I think that's 01:10:37.659 --> 01:10:39.399 interesting in a way. I kind of think the character 01:10:39.399 --> 01:10:42.279 is better without knowing that detail. But I 01:10:42.279 --> 01:10:44.319 don't know if that like throws light on anything 01:10:44.319 --> 01:10:46.880 we're talking about, like the sort of eugenics 01:10:46.880 --> 01:10:48.800 master race stuff that Frank was talking about, 01:10:48.880 --> 01:10:53.000 you know. Maybe better to kind of just forget 01:10:53.000 --> 01:10:54.619 that Maureen said that, though. We can certainly 01:10:54.619 --> 01:10:58.680 do that. Well, I think it's important to talk 01:10:58.680 --> 01:11:02.159 about his ostensible driving force is to have 01:11:02.159 --> 01:11:06.359 a son for, quote, immortality. I think that's, 01:11:06.359 --> 01:11:10.260 I mean, I do think that's a valid theme. I mean, 01:11:10.359 --> 01:11:14.739 it's something I thought about, like, not to 01:11:14.739 --> 01:11:17.100 that extent. Like, I need a child so I can live 01:11:17.100 --> 01:11:19.920 on. But there is, I think there is a universal 01:11:19.920 --> 01:11:25.329 sense of passing on your own. dna to the next 01:11:25.329 --> 01:11:29.310 generation and family legacy and in a greater 01:11:29.310 --> 01:11:32.529 sense like how are we remembered after we go 01:11:32.529 --> 01:11:36.489 we're we are recording a podcast that will be 01:11:36.489 --> 01:11:38.949 available on the internet long after we're dead 01:11:38.949 --> 01:11:43.210 and in that way are we immortal i don't know 01:11:43.210 --> 01:11:47.170 whether or not that theme i think is like really 01:11:47.170 --> 01:11:49.970 invested in in this movie that's a different 01:11:49.970 --> 01:11:53.920 topic yeah i was kind of surprised that You know, 01:11:53.939 --> 01:11:57.880 the movie does set up that theme, but like for 01:11:57.880 --> 01:11:59.560 like, I don't know, the second half of the movie, 01:11:59.600 --> 01:12:01.260 that doesn't seem to be a major part of it. You 01:12:01.260 --> 01:12:03.640 know, it's more about like just coffin Joe in 01:12:03.640 --> 01:12:06.319 general being like a terrorizer to this small 01:12:06.319 --> 01:12:09.159 community. And then like the punishment that 01:12:09.159 --> 01:12:11.659 he gets, the torment that he, he receives himself, 01:12:11.800 --> 01:12:14.399 whether it's a fantasy or not. So I thought like 01:12:14.399 --> 01:12:17.770 the, the drive to have a son. You know, I think 01:12:17.770 --> 01:12:19.569 that could be interesting subject matter for 01:12:19.569 --> 01:12:21.210 a horror film. And I was kind of surprised how 01:12:21.210 --> 01:12:23.470 little the movie goes into that, which might 01:12:23.470 --> 01:12:26.369 actually be a good thing because like the scene 01:12:26.369 --> 01:12:29.270 where that is really conveyed is when he beats 01:12:29.270 --> 01:12:31.189 a woman on screen, which is very hard to watch. 01:12:31.350 --> 01:12:34.130 And then he rapes her off screen. And it's some 01:12:34.130 --> 01:12:36.829 stuff in this movie is kind of like schlocky 01:12:36.829 --> 01:12:38.810 and fun, but obviously not that stuff. It's very 01:12:38.810 --> 01:12:40.869 disturbing. And like, I feel like if the movie 01:12:40.869 --> 01:12:42.810 had gone more into that, it just obviously would 01:12:42.810 --> 01:12:45.600 have been a harder watch. So I guess I'm kind 01:12:45.600 --> 01:12:47.380 of happy they didn't go more into that theme. 01:12:47.500 --> 01:12:50.939 But yeah, and I do think like later Coffin Joe 01:12:50.939 --> 01:12:53.720 movies are more about that. But this one sets 01:12:53.720 --> 01:12:55.579 up that theme and then kind of abandons it, in 01:12:55.579 --> 01:12:58.359 my opinion. I feel like kind of along with the 01:12:58.359 --> 01:13:01.079 anti -religion elements, there's also sort of 01:13:01.079 --> 01:13:03.560 a satire of like small town narrow mindedness 01:13:03.560 --> 01:13:06.760 and superstition. This actually was kind of... 01:13:07.130 --> 01:13:09.229 inspired by something that actually happened 01:13:09.229 --> 01:13:11.130 to Marins when he was a little kid. He was at 01:13:11.130 --> 01:13:15.109 a funeral in Sao Paulo and they had mistakenly 01:13:15.109 --> 01:13:19.189 pronounced the person dead, but he was actually 01:13:19.189 --> 01:13:22.590 in a coma. And so when the corpse awoke at his 01:13:22.590 --> 01:13:25.350 own funeral, everybody in the church ran away 01:13:25.350 --> 01:13:27.670 screaming, thinking it was a sign from God or 01:13:27.670 --> 01:13:32.869 they had all sinned in some way. And Marins was 01:13:32.869 --> 01:13:34.670 at that funeral at a very young age and kind 01:13:34.670 --> 01:13:38.909 of led to his you know, belief that people in 01:13:38.909 --> 01:13:42.149 some Brazilian villages, like, you know, maybe 01:13:42.149 --> 01:13:44.250 that element of Maureen's personality worked 01:13:44.250 --> 01:13:47.609 its way into Coffin Joe's very disdainful, superior 01:13:47.609 --> 01:13:50.130 attitude. But then, like we were saying before, 01:13:50.250 --> 01:13:51.850 I feel like that's kind of negated because it 01:13:51.850 --> 01:13:54.069 turns out that, like, they're more right than 01:13:54.069 --> 01:13:56.050 Coffin Joe is, you know, like these forces do 01:13:56.050 --> 01:14:00.130 actually seem to exist. Yeah, my read on the 01:14:00.130 --> 01:14:02.090 movie, and again, why I was kind of surprised 01:14:02.090 --> 01:14:04.899 to see that, you know, the director had had bad 01:14:04.899 --> 01:14:07.460 experiences with Catholicism. My, my read on 01:14:07.460 --> 01:14:10.739 the movie was basically that, you know, the moral 01:14:10.739 --> 01:14:14.680 is you should believe in this stuff. And if you 01:14:14.680 --> 01:14:17.899 don't, it's, you know, going to end up very badly 01:14:17.899 --> 01:14:19.979 for you. Cause that's kind of how the movie plays 01:14:19.979 --> 01:14:24.380 out. But yeah. Yeah, definitely. I haven't seen 01:14:24.380 --> 01:14:26.840 the second coffin Joe movie. I need to read the 01:14:26.840 --> 01:14:30.039 title again. Cause I love the title this night. 01:14:30.060 --> 01:14:33.270 I'll possess your corpse. from 1967. I haven't 01:14:33.270 --> 01:14:35.069 seen it yet, but I've read that at the start 01:14:35.069 --> 01:14:37.529 of that movie, Coffin Joe is still alive and 01:14:37.529 --> 01:14:40.010 has learned no lessons. He still does not believe 01:14:40.010 --> 01:14:42.670 in religion, does not believe in God. He blasphemes 01:14:42.670 --> 01:14:45.750 all the time. So I agree that this movie does 01:14:45.750 --> 01:14:47.409 have that trajectory. And then apparently in 01:14:47.409 --> 01:14:49.670 the sequels, they kind of abandoned that for 01:14:49.670 --> 01:14:52.310 whatever reason. So I do think there's one other 01:14:52.310 --> 01:14:54.369 theme that might be good to talk about. I don't 01:14:54.369 --> 01:14:56.710 know. Historically in Brazil, I think it was 01:14:56.710 --> 01:14:59.909 kind of an interesting time in 1964. As we briefly 01:14:59.909 --> 01:15:01.630 talked about earlier, there had been a military 01:15:01.630 --> 01:15:05.449 dictatorship that kind of installed a coup in 01:15:05.449 --> 01:15:08.170 April of 1964, which was backed by the United 01:15:08.170 --> 01:15:12.090 States. They like ousted a democratically elected 01:15:12.090 --> 01:15:15.010 president who was socialist and left wing, and 01:15:15.010 --> 01:15:18.569 then kind of set up this new president who, or 01:15:18.569 --> 01:15:20.430 this new military dictatorship that then like 01:15:20.430 --> 01:15:22.670 kind of like ran Brazil for many, many years 01:15:22.670 --> 01:15:25.069 afterwards. So I've read some things that kind 01:15:25.069 --> 01:15:27.329 of say that At Midnight I'll Take Your Soul is 01:15:27.329 --> 01:15:29.329 like a comment on that, the military dictatorship, 01:15:29.390 --> 01:15:32.949 which maybe seems like kind of a stretch because 01:15:32.949 --> 01:15:34.829 it had just started like seven months before 01:15:34.829 --> 01:15:37.130 the movie came out. So it's hard to really think 01:15:37.130 --> 01:15:38.829 it's too much of like an indictment of that. 01:15:39.050 --> 01:15:41.829 But I would maybe buy the fact that like there 01:15:41.829 --> 01:15:45.050 probably was a sense of like paranoia and anxiety 01:15:45.050 --> 01:15:47.350 in like Brazilian society at the time. There 01:15:47.350 --> 01:15:49.229 was all this kind of political stuff going on 01:15:49.229 --> 01:15:50.909 and it would only get worse over the next several 01:15:50.909 --> 01:15:54.069 decades. So yeah, I don't know. I was curious 01:15:54.069 --> 01:15:56.550 what you guys thought of that. I just think to 01:15:56.550 --> 01:15:58.710 come out the same year as a military dictatorship 01:15:58.710 --> 01:16:01.529 kind of comes to power in Brazil is just an interesting 01:16:01.529 --> 01:16:05.170 sort of coincidence or not coincidence, you know? 01:16:05.770 --> 01:16:08.010 Probably a coincidence, but at the same time, 01:16:08.010 --> 01:16:11.829 the sort of thing that would be so just in the 01:16:11.829 --> 01:16:14.430 atmosphere that, you know, it would be unavoidable 01:16:14.430 --> 01:16:17.029 for it to not somehow seep into the movie, you 01:16:17.029 --> 01:16:21.640 know? Yeah. Yeah. If anything, I mean, I have 01:16:21.640 --> 01:16:25.140 no idea what Brazil was like in the early 60s, 01:16:25.140 --> 01:16:28.039 late 50s. But if it was I mean, you look at the 01:16:28.039 --> 01:16:32.680 horror cinema in the States or in Europe, in 01:16:32.680 --> 01:16:36.020 Japan. I mean, they were all kind of all the 01:16:36.020 --> 01:16:38.119 all the films were trending towards this more 01:16:38.119 --> 01:16:42.399 explicitly violent tendency. Psycho comes to 01:16:42.399 --> 01:16:45.939 mind immediately. Other movies I've heard of 01:16:45.939 --> 01:16:50.119 but haven't seen. Dementia 13. mario bava's films 01:16:50.119 --> 01:16:53.800 black sunday so i think there was just maybe 01:16:53.800 --> 01:16:58.060 something in in this in this this new generation 01:16:58.060 --> 01:17:03.159 born after world war ii kind of kind of rebelling 01:17:03.159 --> 01:17:06.420 against the the buttoned up more conservative 01:17:06.420 --> 01:17:11.800 nature of the 1950s yeah yeah that's a good point 01:17:11.800 --> 01:17:13.680 and i you know it might just come down to box 01:17:13.680 --> 01:17:15.859 office too like i think directors especially 01:17:15.859 --> 01:17:19.000 like you know, aspiring filmmakers who didn't 01:17:19.000 --> 01:17:20.779 have big budgets to work with, I think they were 01:17:20.779 --> 01:17:23.239 realizing that like violence and shock value 01:17:23.239 --> 01:17:25.680 generates publicity and people want to see those 01:17:25.680 --> 01:17:27.760 movies. So I think that's, you know, probably 01:17:27.760 --> 01:17:31.600 a big part of it as well. Yeah. All right. So 01:17:31.600 --> 01:17:33.939 as always on Camp Kaju, we talk about the good, 01:17:34.000 --> 01:17:36.979 the bad, and the campy. I'll get us going if 01:17:36.979 --> 01:17:39.039 that's okay with you guys. I think there's a 01:17:39.039 --> 01:17:41.920 lot of good to this movie. I'm a fan of it, even 01:17:41.920 --> 01:17:43.800 though it is heavily flawed. But yeah, I'll start 01:17:43.800 --> 01:17:45.840 with the good. I just think if you're a horror 01:17:45.840 --> 01:17:49.079 fan, there's so much to love. It starts with 01:17:49.079 --> 01:17:51.640 Coffin Joe giving a monologue directly to the 01:17:51.640 --> 01:17:54.880 camera about the nature of life and death and 01:17:54.880 --> 01:17:57.159 existence. And then the opening credits, I was 01:17:57.159 --> 01:17:58.819 talking to Vincent about this before, but you 01:17:58.819 --> 01:18:02.539 have a cackling witch and eerie wind sound effects 01:18:02.539 --> 01:18:05.739 and hand -drawn ghosts. It's like entering a 01:18:05.739 --> 01:18:08.199 Halloween funhouse. It's so fun at the start 01:18:08.199 --> 01:18:10.989 of this movie. And then I think the low budget 01:18:10.989 --> 01:18:13.729 black and white style is like so over the top, 01:18:13.829 --> 01:18:16.989 especially at the end when Coffin Joe experiences 01:18:16.989 --> 01:18:19.649 these ghosts, like coming back from the dead 01:18:19.649 --> 01:18:23.850 to, to haunt him. Like we, you have like solarized 01:18:23.850 --> 01:18:26.250 images. Like it looks like kind of like a, like 01:18:26.250 --> 01:18:28.210 negative film instead of the film that you usually 01:18:28.210 --> 01:18:31.449 see. There's even a moment where Maureen's glued 01:18:31.449 --> 01:18:34.949 glitter onto the film frame by frame. It's when 01:18:34.949 --> 01:18:37.470 Antonio, like the ghost of Antonio first appears. 01:18:38.250 --> 01:18:41.170 Just a wild ending. It looks so amazing. And 01:18:41.170 --> 01:18:43.090 it's, you know, I think like the controversy 01:18:43.090 --> 01:18:45.810 of the Coffin Joe character, it's pretty easy 01:18:45.810 --> 01:18:48.409 to understand how this became such a huge figure 01:18:48.409 --> 01:18:51.050 in Brazilian culture. Like there are negative 01:18:51.050 --> 01:18:52.710 things about it for sure. And I don't know if 01:18:52.710 --> 01:18:55.489 it totally works, but you know, just Vincent, 01:18:55.590 --> 01:18:57.149 you were talking about this, but like the dark 01:18:57.149 --> 01:19:00.520 elements, like the ego coming out. I think in 01:19:00.520 --> 01:19:02.680 some sense, that's why we love monsters in horror 01:19:02.680 --> 01:19:06.039 movies, because those are the things that we 01:19:06.039 --> 01:19:08.279 suppress, but we kind of want to unleash sometimes. 01:19:08.899 --> 01:19:11.380 So I just think the character of Coffin Joe is, 01:19:11.439 --> 01:19:14.880 yeah, hideous and disturbing, but also fascinating. 01:19:15.840 --> 01:19:17.720 I don't want to talk about all the good stuff, 01:19:17.739 --> 01:19:22.399 though. I'll turn it over to you guys. I liked 01:19:22.399 --> 01:19:25.640 a lot of this movie. I liked a lot of individual 01:19:25.640 --> 01:19:31.060 moments, I should say. Yeah, the beginning grips 01:19:31.060 --> 01:19:35.460 you by the throat, and it's very gothic in nature, 01:19:35.579 --> 01:19:40.199 in tone, extremely macabre. This Rasputin imagery 01:19:40.199 --> 01:19:43.140 I would also add to the Coffin Joe look with 01:19:43.140 --> 01:19:47.159 the beard and the hat and the cape. Look, I think 01:19:47.159 --> 01:19:53.659 the eye -gouging scene was one of the most horrifying 01:19:53.659 --> 01:19:58.889 things I've ever seen in a movie, but damn. It's 01:19:58.889 --> 01:20:03.409 it's it's brutally effective. Like I I had to 01:20:03.409 --> 01:20:06.510 look away. I was like, oh, no, that's a good 01:20:06.510 --> 01:20:09.369 thing. As disturbing as it was, it was a good 01:20:09.369 --> 01:20:13.689 thing. Yeah, I would say the the scenes of violence 01:20:13.689 --> 01:20:19.319 in this movie do have a really. They're really, 01:20:19.340 --> 01:20:22.100 really potent, I guess is the word I would use. 01:20:22.199 --> 01:20:24.779 So even when they maybe cross the lines of good 01:20:24.779 --> 01:20:27.220 taste or get really uncomfortable, like in the 01:20:27.220 --> 01:20:30.060 scene Matt was talking about where he's beating 01:20:30.060 --> 01:20:35.279 that woman, they have a real visceral nastiness 01:20:35.279 --> 01:20:39.020 to them that I think is pretty effective. And 01:20:39.020 --> 01:20:41.619 yeah, the eye gouging scene that Vincent mentioned 01:20:41.619 --> 01:20:46.850 was particularly nasty in that way. you know, 01:20:46.890 --> 01:20:49.930 really any of, any of those moments are, are 01:20:49.930 --> 01:20:53.430 pretty striking. And the, the big, you know, 01:20:53.430 --> 01:20:55.689 kind of set piece of the end where, you know, 01:20:55.689 --> 01:20:59.609 all of the corpses are sort of rising up and, 01:20:59.609 --> 01:21:02.869 and kind of coming to get their revenge on him 01:21:02.869 --> 01:21:06.430 is just, it's, it's just gross, but in like a 01:21:06.430 --> 01:21:10.069 really, really like effective way. And it is 01:21:10.069 --> 01:21:12.729 very interesting. Yeah. So, yeah, I would say 01:21:12.729 --> 01:21:14.609 all of the horror elements in this are really 01:21:14.609 --> 01:21:16.739 good. If, you know, if anyone, listening to this 01:21:16.739 --> 01:21:19.720 hasn't seen it and they're like a Fangoria subscriber 01:21:19.720 --> 01:21:21.979 or something I would say that type of person 01:21:21.979 --> 01:21:23.819 would probably love this movie because there's 01:21:23.819 --> 01:21:28.039 just a lot of really like nasty vile imagery 01:21:28.039 --> 01:21:32.420 in it I'll reiterate same as you two this movie 01:21:32.420 --> 01:21:36.439 finishes very strong and like the final image 01:21:36.439 --> 01:21:39.520 of him slumped over with his eyes bulging out 01:21:39.520 --> 01:21:45.060 was very captivating yeah And I do think it has 01:21:45.060 --> 01:21:47.420 like a very dark sense of humor as well. And 01:21:47.420 --> 01:21:49.960 it is disturbing too. But like, you know, the 01:21:49.960 --> 01:21:51.500 scene where he's like eating the leg of lamb 01:21:51.500 --> 01:21:53.640 with like a funeral, like not a funeral procession, 01:21:53.640 --> 01:21:56.239 but like a religious procession going on in the 01:21:56.239 --> 01:21:58.119 window, like right behind him when like nobody 01:21:58.119 --> 01:22:00.479 else is eating meat throughout the entire day. 01:22:00.560 --> 01:22:02.920 I thought that was kind of funny. I have to say, 01:22:02.939 --> 01:22:05.100 I thought that scene was pretty funny too, because 01:22:05.100 --> 01:22:07.399 throughout the movie, whenever he's like railing 01:22:07.399 --> 01:22:12.180 against this societal. structures and things 01:22:12.180 --> 01:22:14.300 you know most of the time he's doing like really 01:22:14.300 --> 01:22:16.899 like you know he's committing atrocities basically 01:22:16.899 --> 01:22:19.800 but then this one time he's just like very obnoxiously 01:22:19.800 --> 01:22:21.819 eating that huge piece of meat that day when 01:22:21.819 --> 01:22:24.720 that's what i thought that was funny because 01:22:24.720 --> 01:22:26.960 it it wasn't like the first thing he did it came 01:22:26.960 --> 01:22:28.880 like after i think he'd already killed some people 01:22:28.880 --> 01:22:33.239 and stuff so yeah yeah yeah And like some of 01:22:33.239 --> 01:22:35.319 his dialogue is pretty funny. I think there's 01:22:35.319 --> 01:22:37.520 one line where he says like, funerals always 01:22:37.520 --> 01:22:39.560 make me hungry or something like that. I thought 01:22:39.560 --> 01:22:42.020 that was kind of a funny line. Let's see here. 01:22:42.119 --> 01:22:43.640 I think there's some other stuff too that I thought. 01:22:44.100 --> 01:22:47.659 Like, you know, he's talking about how Antonio 01:22:47.659 --> 01:22:50.100 and Teresina are about to go see the witch to 01:22:50.100 --> 01:22:53.340 get their fortunes told. And Coffin Joe says, 01:22:53.539 --> 01:22:56.119 it'll be fun to see two superstitious fools under 01:22:56.119 --> 01:22:58.739 the spell of a witch. Like some lines like that 01:22:58.739 --> 01:23:01.560 are like kind of like a very dark kind of vicious 01:23:01.560 --> 01:23:04.119 sense of humor, but I appreciated the dark sense 01:23:04.119 --> 01:23:06.760 of humor there. I'm going to add one more good 01:23:06.760 --> 01:23:10.659 thing that I'll bring up again, ironically later 01:23:10.659 --> 01:23:14.420 on as a, as a not so good thing, but I truly 01:23:14.420 --> 01:23:18.520 in the moment I was, I was on board with what 01:23:18.520 --> 01:23:20.479 he was, what the director was doing. So this 01:23:20.479 --> 01:23:24.279 movie opens with. Our character's breaking the 01:23:24.279 --> 01:23:26.720 fourth wall and giving us a warning about what 01:23:26.720 --> 01:23:30.199 we're going to watch. The movie then transitions 01:23:30.199 --> 01:23:33.140 to the first scene, which is a funeral and a 01:23:33.140 --> 01:23:37.420 person being buried. Anyone who's seen Frankenstein, 01:23:37.420 --> 01:23:39.800 James Wales' Frankenstein, a thousand times like 01:23:39.800 --> 01:23:42.159 I have, that's exactly how that movie starts. 01:23:42.960 --> 01:23:46.579 Edward Van Sloan breaks the fourth wall and we 01:23:46.579 --> 01:23:50.970 open on a funeral in a graveyard. where Dr. Frankenstein 01:23:50.970 --> 01:23:54.850 and Fritz are watching. So I like that. And now, 01:23:54.909 --> 01:23:57.470 Matt, because of your wonderful notes, I know 01:23:57.470 --> 01:24:00.930 that our director was a fan of old Hollywood 01:24:00.930 --> 01:24:03.369 monster movies. So he's probably seen that movie 01:24:03.369 --> 01:24:07.010 quite a few times himself. So I think he knew 01:24:07.010 --> 01:24:09.869 exactly what he was doing. I love that connection. 01:24:10.090 --> 01:24:12.050 I wouldn't have even thought of that. Yeah. Nice 01:24:12.050 --> 01:24:14.770 homage that I immediately picked up on. Cool. 01:24:15.700 --> 01:24:18.100 Yeah, I think in general, like just, you know, 01:24:18.279 --> 01:24:19.979 we've all said this already, but if you're a 01:24:19.979 --> 01:24:21.939 horror fan, there's a lot to like about this 01:24:21.939 --> 01:24:23.539 movie. I think there are like lots of little 01:24:23.539 --> 01:24:27.539 homages like that, you know? I like the transitions 01:24:27.539 --> 01:24:30.699 too. Some of the scene transitions, like there 01:24:30.699 --> 01:24:33.079 aren't any star wipes per se, but it's like almost 01:24:33.079 --> 01:24:35.060 at that level. Like there's one where it looks 01:24:35.060 --> 01:24:37.600 like the screen is like glass shattering when 01:24:37.600 --> 01:24:40.159 it cuts to the next image. I just, I like stuff 01:24:40.159 --> 01:24:43.699 like that. I don't know. Not very classy, but 01:24:43.699 --> 01:24:46.560 highly entertaining, I would say. It fits right 01:24:46.560 --> 01:24:49.220 in. This is not a classy movie. Indeed, yes. 01:24:49.600 --> 01:24:53.659 Very, very true. Probably a good segue to the 01:24:53.659 --> 01:24:57.260 bad stuff in the movie. So my good part was basically 01:24:57.260 --> 01:24:59.260 just all the horror moments. And I would say 01:24:59.260 --> 01:25:01.680 the bad part is everything that's not a horror 01:25:01.680 --> 01:25:04.800 moment. Any of the stretches where it's just 01:25:04.800 --> 01:25:08.659 people talking or where there's not much action 01:25:08.659 --> 01:25:11.449 going on, it's like... pretty boring and for 01:25:11.449 --> 01:25:13.789 a movie that's not even 90 minutes long it can 01:25:13.789 --> 01:25:17.909 feel kind of sluggish at times and you know and 01:25:17.909 --> 01:25:19.850 those are the parts too where i feel like the 01:25:19.850 --> 01:25:23.949 low budget is really showing like you know when 01:25:23.949 --> 01:25:26.050 there's not gory stuff happening on screen it's 01:25:26.050 --> 01:25:28.050 really not very visually interesting it just 01:25:28.050 --> 01:25:30.710 kind of looks like you know like a crappy home 01:25:30.710 --> 01:25:35.710 movie sometimes and and the acting you know for 01:25:35.710 --> 01:25:38.050 the most part i would say is is pretty terrible 01:25:38.050 --> 01:25:41.340 in the movie The director who plays Coffin Joe 01:25:41.340 --> 01:25:44.800 at least has a good presence, I would say, even 01:25:44.800 --> 01:25:46.560 if he's not a conventionally good actor. But 01:25:46.560 --> 01:25:48.220 everyone else is pretty terrible, especially 01:25:48.220 --> 01:25:54.859 the old sorceress lady. Very over the top. Just 01:25:54.859 --> 01:25:56.500 seems like someone who would be working at a 01:25:56.500 --> 01:26:00.300 haunted house or something. So yeah, it definitely 01:26:00.300 --> 01:26:02.380 has a lot of the flaws you would expect from 01:26:02.380 --> 01:26:06.670 a movie with no budget, basically. You know, 01:26:06.689 --> 01:26:08.729 there is some interesting thematic stuff in this 01:26:08.729 --> 01:26:11.449 movie, but I also think it's muddled. It's hard 01:26:11.449 --> 01:26:13.189 to know exactly what the movie's trying to say. 01:26:13.310 --> 01:26:15.289 And I think we kind of talked about that tension 01:26:15.289 --> 01:26:18.310 a little bit. Like, is it, you know, is it trying 01:26:18.310 --> 01:26:21.550 to be anti -religion? And if so, why does the 01:26:21.550 --> 01:26:23.310 end of the movie seem to say, like you said, 01:26:23.329 --> 01:26:26.770 Frank, you should believe in this stuff. If you 01:26:26.770 --> 01:26:28.369 don't believe in this stuff, then you'll be punished 01:26:28.369 --> 01:26:32.050 somehow. And I don't think that's intentional. 01:26:32.310 --> 01:26:33.890 I think the film doesn't really know what it's 01:26:33.890 --> 01:26:35.369 trying to say, if it's trying to say anything. 01:26:36.369 --> 01:26:40.529 And I think the fun horror elements, like the 01:26:40.529 --> 01:26:44.329 schlocky tone. Like the cackling witch, like 01:26:44.329 --> 01:26:46.670 the fake owl that flies at the screen and stuff. 01:26:46.869 --> 01:26:49.909 It does not mesh well with the truly disturbing 01:26:49.909 --> 01:26:53.850 stuff in this movie. And I'm okay with dark subject 01:26:53.850 --> 01:26:56.529 matter if it's for a purpose and it's trying 01:26:56.529 --> 01:26:58.989 to deliver an important point. But I don't think 01:26:58.989 --> 01:27:01.609 it is in this movie. And from what I've read, 01:27:01.670 --> 01:27:03.949 again, the movies later in the series go even 01:27:03.949 --> 01:27:06.810 more in that direction. I don't know how well 01:27:06.810 --> 01:27:10.670 that works, but yeah, that mix of like fun schlocky 01:27:10.670 --> 01:27:14.050 Halloween type movie and like very dark subject 01:27:14.050 --> 01:27:16.810 matter. It's just always a rough combination 01:27:16.810 --> 01:27:19.369 and definitely in this movie. The Frankenstein 01:27:19.369 --> 01:27:21.689 homage in the beginning, which I believe it was, 01:27:21.810 --> 01:27:27.430 worked and that was fun. And yet after watching 01:27:27.430 --> 01:27:29.850 the rest of the movie and understanding this 01:27:29.850 --> 01:27:33.689 was like the work of an, it was like not his 01:27:33.689 --> 01:27:36.109 first feature, but. marines didn't really have 01:27:36.109 --> 01:27:40.210 any maybe formal training i was just like is 01:27:40.210 --> 01:27:43.470 it clever homage or is it more pastiche or at 01:27:43.470 --> 01:27:47.189 worst derivative like it's a spooky funhouse 01:27:47.189 --> 01:27:51.430 vibe but i think that's just maybe because that's 01:27:51.430 --> 01:27:53.609 all he knew he just watched a bunch of movies 01:27:53.609 --> 01:27:56.130 and made his own version but without anything 01:27:56.130 --> 01:28:01.069 truly you like a different take on that tone 01:28:02.039 --> 01:28:05.340 I agree. I thought I found the characters unremarkable. 01:28:05.380 --> 01:28:09.659 I found the acting unremarkable. Again, I love 01:28:09.659 --> 01:28:12.039 some of the visual stuff that the director does, 01:28:12.060 --> 01:28:14.380 especially at the end and at the beginning. But 01:28:14.380 --> 01:28:18.380 but overall, I found the use of violence, sexual 01:28:18.380 --> 01:28:21.899 and physical violence in this movie just without 01:28:21.899 --> 01:28:25.000 like any artistic integrity. Like I just felt 01:28:25.000 --> 01:28:30.550 like it was exploitative and mean spirited. I 01:28:30.550 --> 01:28:32.550 just I don't know why this director did this 01:28:32.550 --> 01:28:35.189 movie other than to make something shocking. 01:28:36.310 --> 01:28:39.010 And that doesn't that just really doesn't interest 01:28:39.010 --> 01:28:43.909 me for 90 minutes, maybe a short film, you know, 01:28:43.930 --> 01:28:46.770 but 90 minutes is a long haul when it's just 01:28:46.770 --> 01:28:49.649 OK. Coffin Joe's doing another terrible thing 01:28:49.649 --> 01:28:53.930 with no repercussions. Yeah, I agree. And I think 01:28:53.930 --> 01:28:57.340 a lot of times horror works best when it. like 01:28:57.340 --> 01:29:00.840 it feels like any horrible thing might happen 01:29:00.840 --> 01:29:02.920 at any moment. And you're kind of like feeling 01:29:02.920 --> 01:29:04.800 that tension of like, Oh God, am I going to like 01:29:04.800 --> 01:29:08.119 see something I shouldn't see or whatever. But 01:29:08.119 --> 01:29:11.100 you know, like a, you know, Texas chainsaw massacre 01:29:11.100 --> 01:29:12.920 is like a classic example of that, where it's 01:29:12.920 --> 01:29:15.979 like not really as gory as its reputation would 01:29:15.979 --> 01:29:18.319 suggest, but it just like, it like feels like, 01:29:18.420 --> 01:29:21.220 Oh God, like what's, what's going to happen next, 01:29:21.300 --> 01:29:25.409 you know? And this one kind of. It crosses that 01:29:25.409 --> 01:29:28.029 line a few times with the scene Matt mentioned 01:29:28.029 --> 01:29:32.189 earlier and just. Yeah, like you're saying, Vincent, 01:29:32.189 --> 01:29:34.510 it seems like it's just more set up for kind 01:29:34.510 --> 01:29:38.029 of tawdry thrills than like to really make any 01:29:38.029 --> 01:29:41.569 particular point or anything. I thought so. And 01:29:41.569 --> 01:29:46.149 I not to not to judge anybody who loves those 01:29:46.149 --> 01:29:48.050 kinds of movies, but like that's the type of 01:29:48.050 --> 01:29:50.840 horror movie that I'm not really into. Maybe 01:29:50.840 --> 01:29:53.239 it's equivalent to the torture porn stuff from 01:29:53.239 --> 01:29:56.800 the 2000s. I've literally never seen such a film, 01:29:56.840 --> 01:30:00.119 so I can't speak from experience, but I just, 01:30:00.140 --> 01:30:02.600 eh, it's just not what I gravitate to as a viewer. 01:30:03.859 --> 01:30:06.500 Yeah. Have you guys seen any movies by Herschel 01:30:06.500 --> 01:30:08.640 Gordon Lewis, which were also kind of coming 01:30:08.640 --> 01:30:11.039 out around this time, late 50s and early 60s? 01:30:11.420 --> 01:30:14.979 Did he do Bucket of Blood? Yeah. I've seen that, 01:30:15.140 --> 01:30:17.819 yeah. The Godfather of Gore is another movie 01:30:17.819 --> 01:30:20.899 that he made. You probably saw by the titles 01:30:20.899 --> 01:30:24.140 what they are, basically. Yeah. Are they like 01:30:24.140 --> 01:30:28.560 this? I haven't seen them. Well, they're like 01:30:28.560 --> 01:30:30.899 this, I think, in the sense that they are gory. 01:30:31.060 --> 01:30:33.949 I mean, there's a lot of... Tons of fake blood, 01:30:34.130 --> 01:30:36.609 like dismemberments, stuff like that, you know, 01:30:36.609 --> 01:30:39.989 but also it's like so obviously fake and so low 01:30:39.989 --> 01:30:43.310 budget and so like cartoonish almost. Okay. It's 01:30:43.310 --> 01:30:46.729 like a weird combination. And I feel like Admin, 01:30:46.729 --> 01:30:48.670 I'll Take Your Soul is more disturbing than those 01:30:48.670 --> 01:30:51.300 movies, but like. part of the same impulse. Cause 01:30:51.300 --> 01:30:53.079 like Herschel Gordon Lewis was not trying to 01:30:53.079 --> 01:30:55.399 make great cinema. Like he, he wanted to make 01:30:55.399 --> 01:30:57.420 money off of movies and he knew that gore and 01:30:57.420 --> 01:30:59.520 violence was the way to do that, you know? But 01:30:59.520 --> 01:31:01.819 still, I feel like he's remembered for like being 01:31:01.819 --> 01:31:05.739 kind of, you know, instrumental in like accepting 01:31:05.739 --> 01:31:08.319 gore, like kind of like just increasing amounts 01:31:08.319 --> 01:31:11.460 of violence in movies. And even though like by 01:31:11.460 --> 01:31:13.420 most conventional standards, they're not good 01:31:13.420 --> 01:31:17.100 movies. They're important in a way and like very 01:31:17.100 --> 01:31:19.239 amusing, sometimes entertaining and sometimes 01:31:19.239 --> 01:31:21.420 very boring. So I just feel like there's a lot 01:31:21.420 --> 01:31:23.739 of overlap between them in this movie. Sure, 01:31:23.760 --> 01:31:27.119 sure. Yeah, they sounded more campy maybe in 01:31:27.119 --> 01:31:30.659 their violence. Like I love campy violence and 01:31:30.659 --> 01:31:33.100 blood and guts and gore. Evil Dead fan here. 01:31:33.399 --> 01:31:38.720 But at midnight, I'll take your soul. Ironically, 01:31:38.739 --> 01:31:40.899 because the Coffin Joe character is so over the 01:31:40.899 --> 01:31:45.479 top and yet. It just seemed really too real. 01:31:45.619 --> 01:31:49.220 Like it didn't have a sense of flair to it. Again, 01:31:49.279 --> 01:31:51.899 I feel like that's a good segue because, you 01:31:51.899 --> 01:31:54.720 know, is there a lot of camp in this movie? I 01:31:54.720 --> 01:31:56.340 don't know if like some of it's campy, but it 01:31:56.340 --> 01:31:59.819 also it's it carries like a dark undercurrent. 01:31:59.859 --> 01:32:01.439 And therefore, I don't know if the camp is very 01:32:01.439 --> 01:32:03.359 entertaining. You know, what did you guys think 01:32:03.359 --> 01:32:05.640 of the campy elements in this movie? Yeah, you 01:32:05.640 --> 01:32:07.720 kind of already brought this up, Matt, but it's 01:32:07.720 --> 01:32:11.640 kind of like an awkward mix of super campy stuff 01:32:11.640 --> 01:32:16.220 and then this stuff that's like, you know, like 01:32:16.220 --> 01:32:18.600 Vincent said, borderline torture porn type stuff 01:32:18.600 --> 01:32:21.739 at the same time. So yeah, it's a weird, it's 01:32:21.739 --> 01:32:25.199 an interesting mix, I think, because it does 01:32:25.199 --> 01:32:27.079 make it unpredictable and you really don't know 01:32:27.079 --> 01:32:30.310 what's going to happen. even though the opening 01:32:30.310 --> 01:32:33.069 credits kind of like inexplicably spoil, like 01:32:33.069 --> 01:32:36.750 some of the highlights of the movie, some of 01:32:36.750 --> 01:32:40.310 the, the major kill scenes, but, but it, it is 01:32:40.310 --> 01:32:44.689 definitely like unstable and, and awkward. Hmm. 01:32:45.409 --> 01:32:48.689 I, so like there's things I can, I'm going to 01:32:48.689 --> 01:32:50.850 make fun of, but there's one thing that I think 01:32:50.850 --> 01:32:53.390 was legitimate camp in the film. Cause like by 01:32:53.390 --> 01:32:56.829 the end, when, when coffin Joe is in the tavern, 01:32:56.930 --> 01:33:00.689 it's the day of the dead. Like he his antics 01:33:00.689 --> 01:33:03.170 are so at this point, like, are you kidding me? 01:33:03.250 --> 01:33:05.670 Like, you're not a real person at this point. 01:33:05.829 --> 01:33:08.649 And he's talking to this man who's the uncle 01:33:08.649 --> 01:33:13.930 of a woman in the tavern. And Coffin Joe's talking 01:33:13.930 --> 01:33:16.770 to him and just puts his hand on the woman's 01:33:16.770 --> 01:33:20.430 breast. He's just like fondling her in front 01:33:20.430 --> 01:33:24.390 of the patrons in a very campy way. Like it was 01:33:24.390 --> 01:33:27.369 like, of course you are, because you are at this 01:33:27.369 --> 01:33:31.810 point a cartoon. You're so over the top. Over 01:33:31.810 --> 01:33:34.329 the top is right. Yeah. Yeah. And then just some 01:33:34.329 --> 01:33:36.949 funny things that just like drove me crazy. Cause 01:33:36.949 --> 01:33:39.329 they're like from the get go. I did not like 01:33:39.329 --> 01:33:41.409 the coffin Joe character because he ate this 01:33:41.409 --> 01:33:44.409 entire thing of meat with his hands and he did 01:33:44.409 --> 01:33:48.310 not wipe his fingers. He, I was watching, I'm 01:33:48.310 --> 01:33:49.989 kind of a neat freak when it comes to eating. 01:33:50.069 --> 01:33:52.630 Like I'm always wiping my hands after ribs or 01:33:52.630 --> 01:33:54.850 something. He doesn't do that. He literally, 01:33:54.930 --> 01:33:57.850 he doesn't lick his fingers. He doesn't do anything. 01:33:58.319 --> 01:34:00.640 He just gets his coat and goes on. And from that 01:34:00.640 --> 01:34:03.039 point on, I was like, I can't with this man. 01:34:03.180 --> 01:34:06.039 He's going around with sticky meat fingers with 01:34:06.039 --> 01:34:09.600 those long nails. And I was extremely put off 01:34:09.600 --> 01:34:12.180 the entire movie. You know what, Vincent? He 01:34:12.180 --> 01:34:15.460 doesn't have to conform to your rules. Damn it, 01:34:15.460 --> 01:34:18.579 this is my religion. Wipe your fingers. He's 01:34:18.579 --> 01:34:23.100 an ubermensch. He cares not for your ethical 01:34:23.100 --> 01:34:28.840 codes. Yeah. Yeah, I think you guys already covered 01:34:28.840 --> 01:34:31.659 the campy stuff pretty much. I do love those 01:34:31.659 --> 01:34:33.659 opening credits, and I don't think they really 01:34:33.659 --> 01:34:36.539 kind of give you... And I should specify, not 01:34:36.539 --> 01:34:38.699 the opening credits where we see the murder scenes. 01:34:39.039 --> 01:34:40.960 I'm talking about when it's kind of wandering 01:34:40.960 --> 01:34:43.319 around that room, and it's kind of fun and spooky 01:34:43.319 --> 01:34:46.079 and everything. That's what I think is campy. 01:34:46.100 --> 01:34:48.140 And then the other stuff is pretty disturbing, 01:34:48.220 --> 01:34:50.600 as we've already talked about. Yeah, the fake 01:34:50.600 --> 01:34:54.100 owl, the hand -drawn ghosts over those opening 01:34:54.100 --> 01:34:57.760 credits. Yeah, that's fun. Yeah. Yeah. But again, 01:34:57.880 --> 01:35:00.020 it just doesn't mesh well with the rest of the 01:35:00.020 --> 01:35:03.020 movie, you know? Yeah. Then you see a woman brutalized 01:35:03.020 --> 01:35:06.640 and I was like, I don't really want to watch 01:35:06.640 --> 01:35:10.539 this, but I'm going to, it's my fault. I'm sorry. 01:35:12.399 --> 01:35:14.720 I, you probably should not see the rest of the 01:35:14.720 --> 01:35:16.779 movies in this series. I haven't either, but 01:35:16.779 --> 01:35:19.539 I, yeah, I think they get worse in terms of that 01:35:19.539 --> 01:35:21.720 kind of thing. I kind of want to see the second 01:35:21.720 --> 01:35:24.460 one just for that, uh, like scene in color where 01:35:24.460 --> 01:35:28.529 it's in hell. but I'm definitely interesting 01:35:28.529 --> 01:35:31.210 to me. Yeah. I'm intrigued by that. Like the 01:35:31.210 --> 01:35:33.250 sound of some of the later ones where it's like 01:35:33.250 --> 01:35:36.250 the meta cinematic stuff, you know, featuring 01:35:36.250 --> 01:35:39.710 Marines himself as a director. Like I'd be interested 01:35:39.710 --> 01:35:41.569 to see that, but those are also some of the most 01:35:41.569 --> 01:35:45.069 controversial ones with like, you know, sadistic 01:35:45.069 --> 01:35:48.010 scenes of torture and stuff. So I don't know. 01:35:48.010 --> 01:35:50.090 I don't know if I'll get to those or not. Yeah. 01:35:51.229 --> 01:35:56.029 Movie night. The least fun movie night you can 01:35:56.029 --> 01:35:58.270 possibly imagine. Unless you like the Saw movies, 01:35:58.369 --> 01:36:00.350 then it's right up your alley. I do like the 01:36:00.350 --> 01:36:04.189 first Saw. The first one's okay. Yeah. And I 01:36:04.189 --> 01:36:06.989 haven't seen, I've seen like some of the sequels, 01:36:06.989 --> 01:36:10.529 but not all of them. Same, same. Maybe I just 01:36:10.529 --> 01:36:12.310 don't understand the mythology. That could be 01:36:12.310 --> 01:36:18.939 it. The mythology of Jigsaw. All right. Well, 01:36:19.039 --> 01:36:21.880 we've come to the point at every Camp Kaiju episode 01:36:21.880 --> 01:36:24.579 where we give the film a rating. As always, our 01:36:24.579 --> 01:36:27.239 highest rating is it is a timeless classic. It 01:36:27.239 --> 01:36:29.640 definitely stands the test of time. Second rating 01:36:29.640 --> 01:36:31.579 is there may be some antiquated moments, but 01:36:31.579 --> 01:36:33.859 overall, it's great. It stands the test of time. 01:36:34.300 --> 01:36:36.739 Number three, it may be historically significant 01:36:36.739 --> 01:36:39.619 or just fun, but it does not stand the test of 01:36:39.619 --> 01:36:42.199 time. And our lowest rating, it is not worth 01:36:42.199 --> 01:36:44.380 revisiting. It definitely does not stand the 01:36:44.380 --> 01:36:47.880 test of time. I'm a little scared to hear what 01:36:47.880 --> 01:36:50.020 both of your ratings are going to be for this 01:36:50.020 --> 01:36:53.939 film, but Vincent, do you want to go first? I'll 01:36:53.939 --> 01:37:00.960 go first. I'll keep it brief. You can't not say 01:37:00.960 --> 01:37:04.659 it's not historically significant. It clearly 01:37:04.659 --> 01:37:10.000 is. But I think as a standalone film, this movie 01:37:10.000 --> 01:37:17.819 is a hard watch. From the pacing, from the style, 01:37:18.220 --> 01:37:23.739 and then from the violence. In 2026, I mean, 01:37:23.779 --> 01:37:27.119 it's just shocking for shocking sake in my estimation. 01:37:27.640 --> 01:37:31.880 It holds no real artistic integrity in its depictions 01:37:31.880 --> 01:37:37.159 of rape and murder and suicide. That even Alucarda, 01:37:37.300 --> 01:37:39.199 which was a hard watch, but I liked that movie. 01:37:39.279 --> 01:37:42.340 I felt like that had some, I'll use that term, 01:37:42.380 --> 01:37:45.420 artistic integrity. That I found sorely missing 01:37:45.420 --> 01:37:49.300 in this movie, and I do not think it stands the 01:37:49.300 --> 01:37:53.020 test of time. Not worth revisiting, though historically 01:37:53.020 --> 01:37:55.939 significant. I would go with, you know, it may 01:37:55.939 --> 01:37:58.340 be historically significant or just fun, but 01:37:58.340 --> 01:38:01.939 doesn't stand the test of time. You know, I think 01:38:01.939 --> 01:38:06.399 there are parts of it that are fun. Definitely 01:38:06.399 --> 01:38:08.920 not the whole thing. I mean, I think that final 01:38:08.920 --> 01:38:13.159 scene. is like a knockout like that that was 01:38:13.159 --> 01:38:18.479 a great ending and i i do like some of the some 01:38:18.479 --> 01:38:21.840 of the like scenes of violence i i think are 01:38:21.840 --> 01:38:25.060 pretty effective just in like you know being 01:38:25.060 --> 01:38:31.640 imaginatively macabre but but yeah and and that 01:38:31.640 --> 01:38:34.100 was also one thing i forgot to mention that benson 01:38:34.100 --> 01:38:36.199 kind of brought up there was the suicide thing 01:38:36.199 --> 01:38:40.029 i did think just in like a dumb lizard brain 01:38:40.029 --> 01:38:44.270 way the the concept of the woman like committing 01:38:44.270 --> 01:38:47.109 suicide specifically so that she'll go to hell 01:38:47.109 --> 01:38:50.609 so that she can come back and haunt him was kind 01:38:50.609 --> 01:38:56.430 of kind of a like badass idea but but yeah I 01:38:56.430 --> 01:38:59.250 think it's definitely worth seeing for anyone 01:38:59.250 --> 01:39:02.710 who like I said earlier anyone who's like a Fangoria 01:39:02.710 --> 01:39:06.949 subscriber who likes that more like violent or 01:39:06.949 --> 01:39:09.880 you know kind of extreme style of horror would 01:39:09.880 --> 01:39:13.460 definitely want to check this out, but it is 01:39:13.460 --> 01:39:17.359 kind of a mess. It is pretty clunky. And, you 01:39:17.359 --> 01:39:20.640 know, at times the filmmaking is borderline, 01:39:20.640 --> 01:39:25.739 like Edward, like, so it's, it's definitely an 01:39:25.739 --> 01:39:28.239 interesting movie. Not one I'd probably watch 01:39:28.239 --> 01:39:32.899 again, I would say, but I'm glad I saw it. I'm 01:39:32.899 --> 01:39:34.279 glad you said that last part, Frank, because 01:39:34.279 --> 01:39:35.739 I was about, I was starting to feel pretty bad 01:39:35.739 --> 01:39:37.439 that I made you guys watch this for this episode. 01:39:38.760 --> 01:39:42.039 I feel a little called out by some of the things 01:39:42.039 --> 01:39:45.539 you guys said. Hey, never feel bad for bringing 01:39:45.539 --> 01:39:49.699 anything to this podcast. Both of you are right 01:39:49.699 --> 01:39:52.640 about everything you said. With strong reservations, 01:39:53.060 --> 01:39:55.939 I'm going to give this our second highest rating. 01:39:57.119 --> 01:39:59.180 There are antiquated moments for sure. There 01:39:59.180 --> 01:40:01.319 are inept moments. There are disturbing offensive 01:40:01.319 --> 01:40:04.020 moments. I don't know if I would say overall 01:40:04.020 --> 01:40:07.630 it's great. Overall, I would say it's... Unforgettable. 01:40:07.850 --> 01:40:11.210 Like, you know, certain scenes. And like, I think 01:40:11.210 --> 01:40:13.550 it's really interesting in the context of like 01:40:13.550 --> 01:40:16.949 Catholicism in Brazil in terms of historically 01:40:16.949 --> 01:40:19.689 when it was released. You're right that like 01:40:19.689 --> 01:40:22.369 some scenes are borderline Ed Wood level and 01:40:22.369 --> 01:40:25.489 some other scenes show such great visual imagination. 01:40:25.649 --> 01:40:29.350 And like the level of like low budget ingenuity, 01:40:29.390 --> 01:40:31.609 I do think is pretty impressive at times, especially 01:40:31.609 --> 01:40:34.630 in that ending again. And then lastly, I just 01:40:34.630 --> 01:40:37.899 think Coffin Joe. While it's such a despicable, 01:40:37.979 --> 01:40:40.600 sadistic, reprehensible character, I think the 01:40:40.600 --> 01:40:42.819 very fact that that character went on to be such 01:40:42.819 --> 01:40:46.079 an icon is itself pretty fascinating. Again, 01:40:46.159 --> 01:40:48.000 in some pretty disturbing, uncomfortable ways. 01:40:48.779 --> 01:40:51.619 So yeah, again, with strong reservations, this 01:40:51.619 --> 01:40:53.439 is one of those instances where I wish we had 01:40:53.439 --> 01:40:55.340 a two and a half rating because it would fall 01:40:55.340 --> 01:40:58.510 right in the middle for me. You should watch 01:40:58.510 --> 01:41:00.729 it if you have a strong stomach, if you like 01:41:00.729 --> 01:41:03.470 horror, and if you are just interested in the 01:41:03.470 --> 01:41:05.430 history of horror cinema, I do think this is 01:41:05.430 --> 01:41:09.310 kind of a significant kind of installment in 01:41:09.310 --> 01:41:11.170 that timeline, you know, especially on like a 01:41:11.170 --> 01:41:14.510 global scale. Yeah, so I liked this better than 01:41:14.510 --> 01:41:17.369 both of you guys. Sorry about that. Oh, well 01:41:17.369 --> 01:41:20.470 said, man. All those points are valid. There's 01:41:20.470 --> 01:41:24.949 a lot I did like. There's some I liked. So it 01:41:24.949 --> 01:41:27.449 is certainly unforgettable. For better or for 01:41:27.449 --> 01:41:30.710 worse. Yeah, some images. Like, again, the eye 01:41:30.710 --> 01:41:32.590 gouging. And, like, the fingers coming right 01:41:32.590 --> 01:41:35.430 at the camera, you know? Man, sorry. I can see 01:41:35.430 --> 01:41:37.010 the look of horror on your face again, Vincent. 01:41:37.270 --> 01:41:40.189 It's haunting. It's haunting. Yeah. I don't like 01:41:40.189 --> 01:41:45.550 long nails. Weird thing about me, I guess. And 01:41:45.550 --> 01:41:49.409 an eye gouging in a movie. Oh, it always gets 01:41:49.409 --> 01:41:53.760 me. Yeah. Eye trauma is really difficult for 01:41:53.760 --> 01:41:57.300 me, too. I read that, sorry, a very quick tangent. 01:41:58.239 --> 01:42:02.020 Jose Mojica Marins, he had an eye operation later 01:42:02.020 --> 01:42:04.520 in life, and he included footage from that operation 01:42:04.520 --> 01:42:07.399 in one of his later movies. So that's like a 01:42:07.399 --> 01:42:10.560 level of shock value that he goes for. Whether 01:42:10.560 --> 01:42:12.579 or not that's a good thing, up to each individual 01:42:12.579 --> 01:42:15.500 viewer, obviously. Wow. But don't watch that 01:42:15.500 --> 01:42:20.300 movie. Yeah, that's it. Thank you so much, Frank. 01:42:20.460 --> 01:42:22.239 I'm really glad, even if this wasn't a great 01:42:22.239 --> 01:42:24.060 movie, I'm glad you joined us to talk about it. 01:42:24.739 --> 01:42:27.600 Yeah, I am glad to have seen it. I thought it 01:42:27.600 --> 01:42:30.960 was very interesting, even if far from great. 01:42:31.579 --> 01:42:35.140 Yeah. Always a pleasure to have you on. 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