They're kind of like investigating this cave
a little bit. And then this family of trolls
like comes back and they have to hide from them.
And it's actually a pretty suspenseful moment,
but it's also like a moment of humor because
then I think one of the trolls farts and like
all the characters is like nearly throwing up
and they're like right behind this troll and
like trying to stay hidden. So that was kind
of a nice moment of gross out, but still funny
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How are you doing? I'm pretty good. How are you,
Vincent? Not bad. I am excited to talk about
this Norwegian kaiju film called Troll Hunter.
Yeah, it's been on my radar ever since it first
came out about 16 years ago, but I just haven't
caught up with it until now. Matt, I want to
know what's going on with creature features,
if you're at liberty to say. If not, I can cut
all this out, but friend to friend, I want to
know what's going on. Yeah, for sure. I think
the thing that you can air, you can publicize
if you want, is that the first screening in our
Creature Features series at the Heights most
likely will be Piranha in early May. So it still
won't be for a little while. You know, the nature
of theatrical exhibition is we do our schedule
months out in advance and you have to get the
rights in either a phone print or a DCP, so it
still won't be for a while. But yeah, Piranha
should be playing at the Heights in early May.
The rest of the things I'm about to say, you
probably should not put on the episode yet. But
most likely, but nothing is finalized yet. They're
trying to get Piranha scheduled. So that one
is like fairly set in stone, I would say. That
is so unbelievably cool. I'm so excited. Yeah,
it'll be a lot of fun. Yeah. This is at the Heights
Theater, everybody in Minneapolis. And stay tuned.
Camp Kaiju could be representing some classic
creature features. Yeah, yeah. And again, Piranha
is probably the only one we can say for sure
right now, but hopefully we'll have some other
titles and showtimes in the near future. Definitely.
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Thank you for all your support. Thank you. Well,
everybody, some people have died recently, and
we haven't given them their due. Only one of
these people died recently, Catherine O 'Hara.
Rest in peace. Yeah, I can't believe we haven't
talked about her. Yeah, I mean, amazing comedic
actress. You know, she was in some monster movies.
Beetlejuice, I think you could say, is a monster
movie. And, of course, so many great comedies
as well. She's a legend. Rest in peace. Honestly.
And then not recently, but in the past year,
you remember who Jimmy Hunt is? I don't. I don't
recognize that name, but you have a note here
that he was in Invaders from Mars. He was the
boy. Okay. The lead role. I was wondering if
that was the case. Do you know if he had like
a long acting career after that? I don't think
he did. I think Invaders from Mars was still
his best known work, but he died only two months
after we recorded that episode. So, you know,
rest in peace, Jimmy Hunt. Yeah, I feel bad,
though. I mean, I was not aware of that. I did
not make that connection. But I like invaders
from Mars a lot. And I think, you know, he gives
a good child performance. So rest in peace, Jimmy
Hunt. Definitely. And not dead. Very important.
Bruce Campbell does have cancer, but he is still
alive. That's just some monster movie news that
I just felt like. Hey, Bruce, if you're out there,
stay strong. You are a legend. Yes, yeah. Hopefully
he is staying strong. I'm sure so many fans throughout
the world are thinking about him. I mean, I feel
like there have been a lot recently. Of course,
there are always a lot of celebrities and important
figures who we lose. It's seemingly too early,
but Robert Duvall also we lost recently. Jesse
Jackson, not from film, but James Van Der Beek.
So yeah, a lot of people. I know. It was like
a wave. But we can talk about this month in monster
movie history. Well, because I was just talking
about Mr. Bruce Campbell, I'm going to shout
out Evil Dead 2, released in March of 1987. I
think that movie is a horror comedy classic.
We have not covered an evil dead, a Sam Raimi
or a Bruce Campbell film on this podcast, but
we did do an evil dead, but not one of the classic
ones. My point is long overdue, but what are
you going to do? So evil dead to check it out.
If you haven't. My favorite Evil Dead movie.
Like you just said, one of my favorite horror
comedies of all time. The style in that movie,
like it's just turned up to 11 the entire time,
like for an hour and a half. Love that movie.
Sam Raimi, like, you know, at least in that era,
he's made some good movies since then too. But
like in the 80s, just like incredible. I love
it. So that's a good choice. I think the one
that I'm going to shout out, I might have talked
about it on the podcast before, but I'm going
to say Leviathan from 1989. Really great monster
movie directed by George P. Cosmatos, who also
directed Tombstone, First Blood Part Two. Whether
or not those are good or bad things, that's up
to you. He also directed Of Unknown Origin, which
we have covered in the podcast before. That's
right. But Leviathan, a really fun monster movie.
Peter Weller is in that one. I hope to actually
do an episode on that someday because that's
a very underrated 80s horror monster movie. I
think there is a lot to love and a lot to pick
apart. Yeah. I don't think it's ever bad, bad.
I think it's unintentional. I think it's so bad
it's good at parts. Yeah, I think that's true.
But the practical effects are really mind -blowing.
They're great. Yeah. Stan Winston, I think. I
believe so. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's one I would
recommend to people because it's just a blast.
Yeah, totally. New and upcoming releases. Have
you heard of this movie called Iron Lung? Yeah,
I actually saw a little bit of it because we
played it at the Heights for like two days. It
was a very brief run that we had there. So I
saw a little bit of it. Okay. Maybe you know
more about it than I do. I just it's like space
adventure. Maybe there's a planet with an ocean
of blood and there's a submersible. Honestly,
I didn't do too much digging into it, but that
alone hooked me. Yeah, well, that might be the
extent of the plot. Like from from what I've
read and what I could tell, it's very not plot
driven and it's very much about like atmosphere
and like really. abstract visuals. And I tend
to like that sort of thing. It's based on a video
game. I've never played the video game before,
but yeah, it looked cool. I don't know if it
all holds together as a movie, but definitely
some incredible visuals. Cool. I think it has
the record for the most special, the most fake
blood used in a movie now. I did read that. Yeah.
And from the brief scene that I saw, I can understand
why. There are like pools of blood, like human
beings just dripping in fake blood, presumably
fake blood. Yeah. You never can tell. True. Maybe
they went for 100 % realism. I hope not. But
maybe. They went to the blood bank. We'll get
to Trollhunters soon, folks, I promise. But I
want to correct it. I'm going to go back and
re -review a movie from this current season.
It's the first time I've done it, but I figured
it keeps gnawing at me, so I have to listen to
that. I feel, in hindsight, I was... I was unjustifiably
hard on Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla 2. I said
it has some fun moments, but does not stand the
test of time. It's been two months, and I'm like,
no, it does stand the test of time, despite some
stilted elements. So I'm officially bumping up
my rating for that movie. I'm really happy to
hear that. I like that movie a lot. But what's
coming up? on Camp Kaiju Monster Movie Podcast.
On our next episode, we are going to be talking
about At Midnight I'll Take Your Soul. That's
a Brazilian horror movie from the late 60s. Frank
Olson is going to be joining us on that episode.
I haven't seen that movie in a long time. There's
a famous horror character named Coffin Joe who
was introduced in that movie and then reappeared
in a lot of Brazilian horror movies after that.
So yeah, excited to revisit that one. Yeah, you
had me at Coffin Joe. Yeah, great name. And Frank
Olson. Yes, can't wait. And then following At
Midnight I'll Take Your Soul, we are going to
talk about the 1957 stop -motion giant monster
movie called The Black Scorpion. And these effects
are brought to you not by Ray Harryhausen, but
his mentor, Willis O 'Brien, most known for...
King Kong. So this is, so King Kong was 1933.
Black Scorpion is 1957. Willis O 'Brien died
in 61, 62. So a late work from a master of his
craft. So I'm excited to watch that movie and
to show that one to you and all you listening.
I'm really excited for that. yeah, I have nothing
more to say about it, but you know, like Willis
O 'Brien, one of the best. And like, I love that
period of monster movies. I know I was, you know,
pretty hard on it. It came from beneath the sea,
but I love them. I love invaders from Mars. So
yeah, looking forward to that one. Oh yeah. So
I think the time has come to, to, to get your
UV light gun to get, to rub some troll piss all
over your body. Let's go hunting trolls. Yeah.
Yeah. It looked kind of fun. I would do it. What's
your personal history with this movie? Pretty
much none. Like I know when it came out again
in 2010, I. You know, I had heard of it because
it got good reviews and it was a low budget,
like fake found footage, a mockumentary horror
movie with obviously the title Troll Hunter.
So I was intrigued by it. But, you know, there
were just always like other movies that kind
of took precedence for me. So I haven't seen
it until today. Nice. I was in college in 2010.
I know I saw it around that time. I didn't I
don't remember. There was so much of this movie
I didn't remember upon revisiting. But I always
knew I liked it, and it was a really fun rewatch.
So I'm excited to dig into it. Yeah, and excited
to hear what you think, too. Because this movie
is a little different in its visual form and
aesthetic. Yeah. So, yeah, the whole time I was
like, man, what's Matt going to think of this
one? Yeah, I'm excited to hear what you think
as well. And I think the only other fake found
footage movie that we've talked about so far
is Cloverfield, right? Yeah. Yeah. Maybe there
will be some similar talking points that we talked
about with that movie. That's right. Yeah. Good
point. That was 2008. So maybe there was, I don't
know, was Paranormal Activity around that time?
That's not a mockumentary, but it's a found footage
type of movie too. Yeah. And I think you're right.
I think that was around that time. There's another
movie called Wreck, R -E -C. that I think was
maybe around that time, maybe a little bit later.
So that probably was the peak of that mockumentary
approach. That style, I feel like, lends itself
easily to social media viral marketing online,
which I know Cloverfield did intentionally tap
into. YouTube was new. All this stuff was new
on the internet. Maybe the one that started it
all, the Blair Witch Project, like did a similar
thing 10 years earlier, you know, in 1999. I've
never seen it. Oh, it's great. I haven't seen
it in a long time, but I have seen it a couple
of times and it holds up. It's still pretty scary,
I would say. Yeah? Yeah. Nice. Okay. I've seen
so many horror movies that there's still a few.
I feel like there's the ones that I think will
scare me. They do stand out. Like the Blair Witch.
I'm like, ah, that's going to scare me. I will
see. Maybe it won't, but it really sneaks up
on you. And I won't give away any spoilers, but
the last image of that movie is like one for
the ages. Approximately seven hours ago, something
attacked the city. On January 18th. It's alive!
It's huge! What is this? Is it coming this way?
Experience the event that will change everything.
We get the hell out of Manhattan. Through the
eyes of those. Did you see it? Who are there.
What was that? Run! Still filming? Yeah. People
are going to want to know how it all went down.
Cloverfield. Rated PG -13. This is my home, which
I am leaving the comforts of for the weekend
to explore the Bear Witch. I can see you. I'm
really excited about this. Thank you for the
opportunity. I'm very glad. This area's been
haunted by that old woman for years. I don't
know why you have to have every conversation
on video. Because we're making a documentary.
Not about us getting lost. We're making a documentary
about a witch. I don't. We're lost? Admit that
first. No, I know we're not lost. It's an old
place. But how do we know it was people? Well,
even if it wasn't, I'm not going to play with
that either. And it's all because of me that
we're here now. Hungry and cold. And I did just
apologize to Mike's mom and Josh's mom and my
mom. Tell me where you are, Josh! Four years
ago, in this quiet forest, in this cozy cabin,
something happened. Something so frightening.
Something so deadly. We prayed it would never
happen again. Now, from the creator of Evil Dead,
comes Evil Dead 2, Dead by Dawn. Now playing
at a theater near you. Consult local listings.
We'll keep talking about that. We'll keep talking
about other found footage, monster movies. But
first, we got to talk about some of the crew
and some of the cast of Trollhunter. And my goodness
gracious, apologies for the mispronunciations
with these names. And Matt, we do have listeners
in Norway. So thank you. I wish I knew how to
say thank you in Norwegian. But don't hate us
for mispronouncing the language of your country.
We'll do our best. All right. So you go first.
Okay. So the writer and director of Trollhunter
is André Ouvredal. This was a relatively early
film for him. I think it was his second feature,
if I remember right. So some other movies that
he made include The Autopsy of Jane Doe from
2016, Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark from
2019, and The Last Voyage of the Demeter. from
2023. I have to admit, I haven't seen any of
those. I've seen bits and pieces of scary stories
to tell in the dark, but not the whole thing.
I didn't realize he was attached to that or The
Last Voyage of the Demeter, which I remember
was kind of a big deal in universal horror circles,
because it's a reimagining of a chapter of Dracula.
Yeah, I had high hopes for Demeter. I thought
it was a pretty good trailer when that came out,
but I never saw it. Like you said, it didn't
get very good reviews, but time to revisit it
maybe, or visit it for the first time, I should
say. Right. Cinematography in Trollhunter is
by Halvard Rein, and the film is edited by her,
Erik Eriksson. And I think thank you in Norwegian
is touch. Touch. Nice. That's good to know. Yeah.
Correct me if I'm wrong. Norwegians out there.
Sounds good to me. It sounds correct as far as
I know. But yeah, touch to all of our Norwegian
listeners. Sorry, I'm playing back the Google
translator. All right, we're moving on. The cast
of Trollhunter is headed up by Otto Jespersen.
who plays Hans, the titular troll hunter. This
guy, the character, Hans, is a rugged, no -nonsense
survivalist and veteran who is now contracted
by the government, the Norwegian government,
to hunt trolls who have wandered off their perimeters.
Jespersen, the actor, is a well -known comedian
and television personality in Norway. However,
he's a bit of a firebrand. His comedy lends itself
to the controversial. Lots of anti -establishment
type stuff. Like I read, he's well known for
burning an American flag during the Iraq war.
And some questionable anti -Semitic, anti -Jewish
jokes and humor that I personally don't find
funny. But that's his brand. And I'm certainly
not here to defend any of that. Just want to
put that out there. Put it all out there. Yeah,
I did a little more research on that because
I read that in your notes and I was like, oh,
is it maybe like it was a lot of controversy
for nothing. But then I read more about what
he did and said, and it's like, oh, that is pretty
bad. Like, you know, we don't need to talk about
all that here. But but his, you know, like his
appearance in the movie and especially if audiences
do know him as this kind of, you know, comedian,
which I didn't know him as before I watched the
movie. But but it does lend the character a certain
sense of like. you know, dry wit or whatever,
and that probably helps the reception in the
movie a little bit. I agree. I do think his performance
is very good at selling the character and selling
the premise. So, yeah, I might talk more about
the anti -religious stuff in this movie, but,
you know, being Jewish is more than just a religion,
too. It's an ethnicity, so... Yeah. You know,
it gets real dicey real quick when you're when
you're making such jokes. Yeah, absolutely. The
the other main cast surrounding Hans, the troll
hunter, is a group of student filmmakers. They
are making this documentary. They've come across
a kooky character, the Hans character and his
his obsession with troll hunting and the students.
Absolutely do not believe this at first. But
they think following him around would make a
great documentary. We have Thomas Ulf Larson
as Kala, the cameraman of the documentary. It's
later revealed that Thomas is a Christian, or
actually Kala, the character, is a Christian.
And he consequently meets his demise at the hands
of the Mountain Kings. The folklore, the background
of this is that trolls... supposedly can detect
Christian blood. They can sniff out Christian
blood. The character of Kala hides the fact that
he is a devout Christian, and it does not end
well for him. So that character is played by
Tomas Alf Larson. We also have Johanna Murk as
Johanna, the sound person of the documentary.
And then probably the main character of the trio
of students, we have Glenn Erland Tosterud as
Thomas, or Tomas maybe. the director of the documentary,
who is clawed, C -L -A -W -E -D, by an early
troll attack and later develops rabies. Yeah,
I mean, he was clawed. He was clawed. And also
Tomas. I guess it's funny when you say it out
loud. Yeah, it's funny in my head, and I was
like, I'm probably the only person who finds
this funny, but that's where my mind goes. And
then another comedian, well -known. for all you
Norwegians out there, is Hans Morten Hansen,
who plays Finn. And Finn is a government person.
He's the governmental head of TSS, the Troll
Security Service. And fun note, Hansen, the actor,
in 2010 established the world record for longest
stand -up performance. Hmm. I read that some
other supporting characters were also played
by comedians, like the head of the power plant.
is also a Norwegian comedian. And I don't really
know a lot of the details about that, but, you
know, I can just imagine as a Norwegian audience
member seeing this movie, it's probably a pretty
big clue that it's meant to be taken partly as
a comedy, you know? Yes, and the Polish bear
hunter is also apparently a well -known Norwegian
comedian. Yeah, yep, I read that as well. Yeah,
which is, you know, kind of, it says a lot. And,
you know, many... Like many American audience
members like myself probably wouldn't pick up
on that. Yeah. Mockumentaries make me think of
Catherine O 'Hara, who was in many from Christopher
Guest's movies like Best in Show, Waiting for
Guffman, A Mighty Wind. Those movies have like
blink and you miss it cameos from a lot of comedians.
So just making connections. Yeah. Yeah, definitely.
that's a good connection and though i mean like
uh best in show is amazing i really love that
movie she's so good in that i just watched it
ellen and i revisited it i think the night katherine
o 'hara died my god i was i was in stitches i
was just laughing cackling with joy at so much
of it yeah And I also think like those movies
still have like some tenderness for a lot of
those characters. You know, it's not just like
total ridicule or like looking down on the characters,
which is kind of a tough balance to pull off
sometimes. Yeah. All right. Before it becomes
a bested show podcast, the production backstory
of Troll Hunter. Now, the director, Andre Uverdahl,
wanted to make, quote, a big Hollywood style
movie about Norwegian culture. I got that from
Gizmodo. There's a. Really cool article about
the science of Troll Hunter. It's an interview
with the director. I'll link that in the show
notes. So I got a lot of information from that
and another interview from 2011 from a website
called HeyUGuys. Anyways, Andre Overdahl made
a movie. He wanted to feature trolls from the
stories and fairy tales of his youth. He spun
this idea into a premise about a disgruntled
troll hunter. And as he goes on to say, Uvardal,
he says, My biggest takeaway from that is...
Here's a man, the director, steeped in the historical
culture of his country, of traditional storytelling.
Well, traditions. And I love that idea. I'm going
to bring this into the modern world. We're not
going to sit around a campfire and tell troll
stories, but we are going to sit around this
medium of film and tell you a troll story. I
just love that idea. Yeah, I love that too. It
makes me think about some of my favorite Japanese
new wave horror movies. I know I talk a lot about
Japanese movies on here, but, you know, movies
like Kwaidan and Onibaba and Jigoku, where it
is taking like kind of historical folklore and
traditions. And many of those are set in the
past, so they're not really updated to like modern
times in those cases. But I love it when you
have like a distinct, like national view of like
a cultural past, a cultural heritage, and then
that's turned into like... A new kind of horror
movie. I love that sort of thing. Yeah. Filming
for Trollhunter took place in Western Norway,
but the production was kept under wraps almost
up until the release. But the title Trollhunter
always remained, and this seemed a little tongue
-in -cheek to me. Andre Uverdahl didn't believe
that audiences and critics would take that title
so literally, and apparently he was right. Critics
were like, okay, there's this movie coming out
called Trollhunter. There's no way. nobody just
nobody connected the dots that it would literally
be about a man hunting trolls yeah it's right
there in the title yeah in a way like i kind
of feel like it might have been cool if that
wasn't the title because you know the movie starts
with like on -screen titles where it's like this
footage was like recovered by a norwegian like,
film studio or maybe TV station, and it's like,
you know, it's all true to life. Like, we don't
know where this footage came from. So, like,
if the title is Troll Hunter, you know it's going
to be about hunting trolls, or at least you should
probably know that, especially after reading
reviews and stuff like that. But, like, if maybe
the title was a little bit more cryptic, it might
have been kind of a cool reveal the first time
a troll is actually on screen, but that's all
right. That's a different, you know, I'm just
imagining what could have been. So there is another
Gizmodo piece that's focused. The science of
the trolls is the name of the article. And I
feel like that title is also meant a little bit
tongue in cheek, the science of the trolls, but
that goes a little bit more into the depictions
of the trolls in the movie. Most of them were
based on historical drawings and paintings. There
are common troll descriptions from Norwegian
folklore, which were used in the film that include
trolls, having a tail, multiple heads. The ability
to smell a Christian's blood, like we were talking
about before. Eating rocks, but loving meat,
and sometimes being man -eaters. The trolls in
Norwegian folklore are also described as big,
old, and strong, but also slow and dim -witted.
Turning to stone when exposed to sunlight. And
that last plot point is actually a pretty major
part in the film, as Hans uses UV light to kill
the trolls, either by turning them to stone,
or in some cases, just making them explode, which
is... One of the more fun, you know, gory parts
of the movie. You even have, like, you know,
a troll hiding underneath a bridge, which maybe
that element is, like, well -known to pretty
much any viewer, I would say. And then the last
little bit here, the depiction of the trolls
from Troll Hunter is also based on some popular
stories, like the boy who had an eating match
with a troll and the three billy goats gruff,
which has also become popular outside of Norway
as well. It's one of my favorite stories. And
I don't read it too much anymore to my kiddo,
but she still has it. And she's gone through
a phase where she was requesting it. So, yeah,
I was being very familiar with that story. I
really found it delightful when Hans, the troll
hunter, brought three goats out onto a bridge
to lure the troll. Yeah, that's a good scene.
And like Hans is like, he's wearing kind of like
a suit of armor that seems to be like cobbled
together from like scraps of metal, basically.
That whole scene is pretty funny. I like that
one. How did he survive the hit he took? Yeah,
I mean, you know, most of the CGI or most of
the visual effects, some of them anyway, are
like pretty decent in this movie. At that moment,
I was like, oh, that's I feel like you can see
the low budget in that scene, you know? Yeah,
I mean, we'll definitely talk about the CGI for
sure later on. I'd love to hear more about your
thoughts on that. Yeah, definitely. But speaking
of the troll under the bridge, that's known as
a Ringelfinch. That is one of a few different
species, quote unquote, depicted in this movie.
And it's an element of the movie I do also really
find joy in, just like sciencing. putting science
to these mythological creatures. So we have the
Ringlefinch. We have the Tursulad, which is the
giant three -headed troll that lives in the forest.
We have mountain kings who live together like
in a pack in the caves of the mountains. And
then we have the Jotnar, which is the largest
of the trolls standing over 200 feet tall. This
is the troll from the poster. It's the troll.
at the climax of the film. Big mamma jamma. I
didn't realize until today that the famous classical
piece in the Hall of the Mountain King is a reference
to a troll. Because that's by a Norwegian composer.
And it's, you know, Mountain Kings. That's the
name of one of the troll species in folklore.
And that's what that title refers to. Never knew
that until today. Yeah. Amazing. The cultural
osmosis. It's real. Yeah. I love just all the
unexpected connections we make, you know? It's
like we're Norwegian. Well, at least I feel like
I'm getting my first taste of Norwegian culture.
Not my first taste, but I'm starting to dive
in a little bit more, you know? No, I kid, I
kid. I have been to Iceland, which is not Norway,
but it is a Scandinavian country. So they were,
and I only say that because... In Trollhunter,
there are many shots of the Norwegian landscape.
Beautiful fields and fjords and mountains and
forests. And it did the Icelandic landscape,
which I have seen, it just kind of had some similarities
to that. That just like very northern, Andra
-type feel. Yeah, same. I've also been to Iceland
and that's the only Scandinavian country that
I've been to. And the countryside is beautiful
in a very like austere way. You know, it's kind
of harsh, but just like very, yeah, it's very
beautiful. Kind of like primal. I feel like Iceland
is the only place I've been on the planet where
I'm like, I was like, I feel like I could be
on a different planet right now, you know? Yes.
Austere is a great word to describe it. And do
you remember? Like, as I was walking around just
Reykjavik, the capital city. Oh, no, my friend
did take me on a drive out into the country a
little bit. But I could smell the sulfur. Mm
-hmm. Just from the volcano, the volcanism. Is
that the right word? Yeah, I think so. The volcanic
activity on the island. Yeah, totally. I went
to Hot Springs there too, and you could definitely
smell the sulfur there. It's like, you know,
the fissures in the earth are like right there
practically. Yeah, very otherworldly. Yeah, and
yeah, Norway in this movie is, I was reminded
of that as well. Oh, I'd love to visit. Yeah,
same. Well, this movie, Trollhunter, was released
in October 2010. Good reviews, all in general,
with particular praise for Jesperson's performance
as Hans, and the special effects in relativity
to its small budget drew praise from critics.
The mockumentary found footage was favorably
compared to the Blair Witch Project, but the
style did have its detractors. Admittedly, I
did not include specific reviews. But just in
general, what I was gleaning was more of a cup
of tea type of situation where the reviewer seemed
to be knocking the style in general without specific
criticism. Yeah, that's mostly what I read as
well. But, you know, like you said, I mean, most
of the reviews that I read were positive and
seemed to be kind of surprised at how effective
the movie is at pulling off its conceit, you
know? Yeah, surprised. Surprised that they could
execute this level of CGI with their budget,
which makes me think of Godzilla Minus One. Small
budget, great CGI that even won an Oscar. And
then we get movies from the churn mill of Hollywood
that cost hundreds of millions of dollars with
really terrible CGI. Worse than in Troll Hunter.
Yeah, totally. Yeah. And I think, you know, ultimately
it comes down to the storytelling, right? I feel
like the Hollywood movies with bad CGI are also
filled with like cliche, stereotype, maybe not
stereotypes, but like cliche and like lazy storytelling,
familiar story beats, that kind of thing. And
I think if you have a fresh take, and I'm, you
know, I have some criticisms of this movie too,
but if you have a fresh take like Trollhunter,
I think the, you know. The special effects kind
of go along with that. It's part of the storytelling,
and I think it just seems more effective, surprising,
unexpected, if the storytelling in general is
kind of a fresh take, you know? And I was also
thinking, it was not lost on me that many of
the trolls, when they're on screen, it's the
lighting is low because they're at night, they're
in a cave, we're looking at the trolls through
a night vision camera. You know, which is smart
because you're using the lighting to hide what
is arguably not great CGI. So you can hide some
of the, maybe some of the wires, so to speak,
in the lighting. It's an old trick, but it works.
Yeah, it's smart, but also maybe a little disappointing.
Like in the scene with the troll beneath the
bridge, you barely see that troll. You know,
it's like off screen most of the time. And like
you said, with the night vision and the cave,
it's also very hard to see them. My favorite
instance of CGI and special effects in general
is the end of the movie where it's like this
great snowy, wintry landscape. And I feel like
you do finally get a pretty good look at the
troll in that scene. There's this great, very
exciting moment. I'm getting ahead of ourselves
a little bit, but like, you know, the, there's
this truck driving and it's like driving in between
like the huge feet and the tail of this troll.
And that's the best CGI and the best special
effects in the movie. And not coincidentally,
it's when you can see it the best when it's not
like hidden in low light and night vision and
all that. Yeah. Yeah. Pros and cons. You're not
wrong. And in my, of course. Yeah. No, I felt
like I wanted more of that Ringle Finch, the
troll bridge. Yeah. The bridge troll. Sorry.
Yeah. That scene reminded me of Jurassic Park
too, where they like lure the, is it the T -Rex
with the goat? Yeah. Classic. Can you just see
the hand? Yes. In Trollhunter, right? Yeah. But
there's that one shot in Jurassic Park of the
T -Rex claw just kind of falling off the fence.
Yeah, you're right. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. You know,
I wouldn't be surprised if Uber Doll was inspired
by Jurassic Park. Classic monster movie, obviously.
Who isn't these days? Exactly, yeah. We're still
in that movie's shadow. Yep. Well, we'll talk
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Sean wrote, really good app. Always glad to hear
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but now I'm interested in doing so. Thank you,
Sean. And thank you, Sean. It was amazing to
have Sean Pryor on the show. His love for Blackula,
with some slight qualms and reservations, was
fully felt during that recording. Yeah, a lot
of fun to talk about that movie. Definitely worth
watching. I feel like everybody knows the title,
but it's worth watching for more than that. It's
more than just the clever punny title, which
actually takes on some... Some criticism, some
kind of inherent commentary in the movie, you
know? Yeah. The title of Blackula. And speaking
of Blackula, another Patreon member of ours,
superfan Don, he wrote in on our Patreon and
a great story. I'm just going to read it here.
He says, great episode, guys. I'm like Vincent
and Matt. I'd heard of Blackula, but didn't really
think I would like it. I now say I was pleasantly
surprised with it. Yes, it's 70s through and
through, but some very solid performances. I
recognized some of the actors and the story was
compelling. One detail caught my eye. When Dr.
Thomas went up a set of stairs to get to the
morgue, no one in their right mind would put
a morgue above the ground floor. You don't want
to try to carry a body on a set of stairs. Wait,
maybe I should clarify something. I'm a medical
laboratory professional. At one of the hospitals
I worked at, the lab was in charge of releasing
bodies from the morgue to the funeral directors.
I regularly had to check the papers and help
them get the body into the hearse. So I know
what it's like to move a body. Their idea of
a lab was a bit disappointing. Some beakers,
tubing, and a microscope. And don't forget some
bottles labeled poison. Despite the slurs of
dated language, it's an enjoyable film. Thank
you, Don. What a story. Yeah, what an experience.
Thank you for sharing that with us. Yeah, thank
you. When watching Blackula, I was like, I don't
think they would have the morgue above ground
level. I also thought that was kind of weird,
but I didn't base that on any kind of scientific
knowledge. So it's good to know that Don backs
me up on that. Yeah, I guess so. with the um
you know the background to speak to that from
experience i mean yeah i must have been paying
more attention to that one guy's hook for a hand
uh i i missed the flight upstairs aspect yeah
yeah because the coroner is played by that's
the guy you're talking about i think right with
the hook for a hand yeah yeah played by Elisha
Cook, a very famous figure from horror movie
history. He's also in Messiah of Evil. He's in
Touch of Evil, the Orson Welles movie, I believe.
Don't quote me on that. 80 % sure. But yeah,
it was great. It was very cool to see him in
Blackula. Yeah. How do you feel about another
70s iconic film called Trilogy of Terror? Well,
Patreon member Peggy, who is my mom, and just
giving some love to my mom, She shouts out the
classic 70s TV movie, Trilogy of Terror, which
stars Karen Black. She says, one of the best
TV movies of the week. The 70s had a lot of creepy
stuff on TV. To which I say, yeah, TV movies
and horror TV specials were a thing. I was not
alive then, but I know the reputation, and I
have seen Trilogy of Terror, and it's a lot of
fun. Yeah, I agree. I haven't seen it since I
was a kid, though. And I also watched it on TV,
not in the 70s, but I watched it as a kid on
TV, and it is scary. And yeah, Trilogy of Terror
is great. I would love to rewatch that. It's
been a long time. John Carpenter has a TV movie
from the 70s also. Now, of course, I can't remember
what it's called, but it's, I think, right before
he made Halloween, if I remember correctly, from
like 77. Sorry, you can keep going. I just am
bothered that I can't remember the name of this
movie. Well, our last one for tonight is from
YouTube. A new listener, Tabaristabs2929. Anyways,
Tabaristabs, thank you. They say simply, King
Kong lives is cinema. And that's in response
to our recent episode with author Tom Shubilla
when he was on to talk about King Kong versus
Godzilla. So we do have some fans out there of
King Kong Lives. I gave it a higher rating than
you did, I'm pretty sure. Yeah, I will stick
up for that movie a little bit. It's not the
worst movie we've talked about. No. It has some
fun elements, for sure. It ain't the best, but
it's not the worst. Yeah, yeah. I mean, for me,
Killdozer is still the worst, but you know, maybe
something else will take that claim to fame someday.
You did really hate something recently we listened
to that wasn't just Killdozer. Now I can't remember.
Huh. Oh, I don't think you hated Jaws 2, but
you weren't a fan of Jaws 2. That's true. Yeah,
I prefer Jaws 4 to Jaws 2, honestly. Oh. Yeah.
Well, Jaws 4 is more fun, you could say. Exactly.
But no, I mean, King Kong lives like it's campy,
has a lot of fun elements. Worth watching. It
is cinematic. It is a movie. I'll give it that.
I did also want to mention that the John Carpenter
TV movie I was thinking of is called Someone's
Watching Me from 1978, starring Lauren Hutton.
Very, very good. Okay. I hadn't heard of it.
Nice. Kind of a mistake on Rear Window. Highly
recommended. Okay. Nice. That man is so prolific.
Indeed. Well, you know who else is prolific?
Mr. Peter Lorre. He's not here right now. He
said he was going to make an appearance, but,
you know, he's earned the right to be a little
flaky, and I don't blame him. He's been through
enough with us two yanking him about. That is
true. Yeah, I mean, I'm surprised he still shows
up for his Poverty Row Picture Show segments.
Hey, he's ever the professional. He shows up,
he does his job. He doesn't have to love it,
but he does his job. Much like a lot of the movies
he probably appeared in. I feel like he probably
didn't have 100 % passion for all of the seemingly
hundreds of movies that he was in, but he still
shows up like a true professional. And that's
why we're still talking about him. Yep. He was
not in this poverty row picture called Strangler
of the Swamp, but he's going to talk about it.
And our letterbox tagline is he was hanged for
a crime he didn't commit. And now he's the presumably
the tagline leads into the title Strangler of
the Swamp. Like if you saw it on a poster. Yeah,
I love it. Now he's the what? He's the what?
The. The letterbox synopsis reads, a number of
swamp land men have died by strangulation, and
the inhabitants believe that an innocent man
they hanged is seeking revenge on all of the
male descendants of those responsible for his
death. Maria, granddaughter of the innocent ferryman,
decides to operate the ferry service. Chris Sanders,
a son of one of the men who did the hanging,
and Maria fall in love. The Strangler seizes
Chris, and Maria offers her life if Chris is
spared. Oh, man. It's an interesting synopsis.
I don't know who any of those people are. Right.
You know? It's a very thorough synopsis, and
I can only imagine this movie is like 65 minutes
long, you know? That must be like the entire
thing. Yeah, if that. Right. Well, at least they
don't give away the ending. Peter will have to
hopefully not give it away, but tell us more
about it. Welcome to the Poverty Row Studios
on the other side of Hollywood. Yes, where the
stars were dimmer, but the red carpets dripped
with blood. Together we will watch the best of
the worst. Movies known for their limited budgets,
outlandish concepts, and questionable performances,
but with enough haunted houses, zombies, apemen,
and devil bats to keep you up at night, this
is the Poverty World Pictures Show, and I dare
you to sleep through these nightmares. I am your
host, Peter Lorre. You may know me from such
venerable pictures as... Island of doomed men.
And think fast, Mr. Moto. Well, perhaps venerable
isn't quite the word. But ah, you know what?
I never made a movie as stinky as Strangler in
the Swamp. Oh, why did I offend your sensibilities?
Your, your, your ironclad positivity? Hey, I
dare you to sleep through these nightmares. And
this picture from PRC certainly challenges the
eyelids. The Strangler in the Swamp is about
a group of men who frame one another for their
backwoods Cajun community for murder. The unlucky
bastard was hanged for the crime and now he returns
as a vengeful swampy specter. He haunts and hunts
those who did him dirty. Now The Strangler in
the Swamp was released on New Year's Day in 1946.
Ring a ding, baby. The war was over and apparently
our appetite for murky swamps of murder. This
movie did not do well is what I am saying. Nonetheless,
Strangler in the Swamp does possess a cult status
among the couple of folks who really dig into
this stuff. Now, to be fair, the film does boast
an impressively swampy set. I mean, there is
enough fog here used to put the wolfman to shame.
Now, I know, I know that... I was reaching for
a joke, but I missed. Get it? I really missed
my chance for a fog joke. Some interesting bits
of trivia while I'm on a roll. About the Strangler
in the Swamp, it stars Rosemary LaPlanche, who
was Miss America in 1941. Did you know her special
talent was pretending she could act? Oh no, did
I? Did I offend the Rosemary LaPlanche fan club?
Oh, Lenore, I did not mean to be so salty. I
sincerely apologize to the spirit of Rosemary
LaPlanche. I, more than anyone, understand the
feeling of rolling over in one's grave. Wait.
Wait a minute. Why are you cawing? Lenore! Lenore,
is that you? But, but, but, how could this be?
How could you be turning back into a raven? I
worked so hard last season to turn you into the
woman you are. Yes, yes, I will. I will think
about how to reverse this tragedy. Perhaps, perhaps
the answer lies in our next film. Listeners,
next time on the Poverty World Picture Show,
we will be watching a film called The Face of
Marble. From 1946 now. Now, Lenore. Sit still,
Lenore. Do I make you nervous, Doctor? Karen
Black, a major star, creates a television first.
There's a golden chain wrapped around it to keep
the spirit from making the doll come to life.
It's a piece of skin, like leather. From all
corners of the earth, they gather to study the
mystifying frozen fossil. A reptilian tail that
crows into a giant of terror. It's alive! It's
loose! You have been invited here to see for
yourselves one of the most amazing events in
the annals of scientific history. Reptilicus,
a monstrous, massive beast whose astounding appearance
causes panic. Reptilicus, I'm watching the city.
Repeat, Reptilicus, I'm watching the city. This
is Grayson. All units. an annihilating mastodon
immune to all known weapons of warfare, creating
chaos such as mankind has never before known.
So thematically speaking, I think there actually
is a lot to read into this film. That's not just
us searching for things to talk about. I'll pull
one more quote from the director from this Gizmodo
article. And this speaks to the director's thematic
goals. So he did have a very specific goal in
mind about wildlife conservation. And he goes
on to say, The only topic I baked into this film
is related to how we treat our wildlife, how
we treat our treasures in a way. That is there
in the film for me, buried under the action.
They are advanced animals. They have a human
side to them. They are defenseless. All they
care about is getting food, getting shelter,
the things that animals and we care about as
basic needs. They're not there to kill. They're
defending themselves mostly. I like that. Yeah,
I do think that comes through in the movie for
sure. There's a supporting character who's a
veterinarian and Hans works with her to, you
know, study why the trolls seem to be ill, seem
to be behaving erratically. I like that element.
I think Hans talks about the government. You
know, he doesn't like his job anymore. That's
why he's working with these students. He feels
like he's exploited by the government. It's thankless
work, like killing these creatures that... haven't
really mistreated anybody, so I like that element
of it. I feel like the movie could have gone
a little bit more in that direction because the
climax, I do think we're supposed to be happy
that he shoots a missile at this enormous...
200 -foot -tall troll, and then it, like, crumbles
into stone, and it's kind of a victorious moment.
So, like, maybe there's a little bit of, like,
it seems a little contradictory there, you know?
But the subtext is there. Or maybe not subtext,
because it's pretty prominent, but that theme
is there for sure. Taking the words right out
of my mouth. I feel like this quote is very interesting
to me, because that is the director saying, this
is my intent. And... Watching the movie, I didn't
get that. I got celebration when trolls were
destroyed and blown up. Like they were fist pumping
awesome moments. And they were. I love those
moments. Yeah. So then when the character Hans,
he has a bit of a monologue about how as a government
official, he was ordered to massacre troll kids
and troll women. And that speech felt a little
disheartening. There was dissonance there. It
didn't match the overall tone of the film. Yeah,
I agree. And I think one of the main problems
in the movie is that narratively it is a little
bit sloppy. And you could, I guess, pin that
on the mockumentary found footage approach. But
that's probably not a sufficient explanation,
I don't think. You know, rabies also comes into
the film towards the end because Tomas. seems
to be infected by rabies. But then the movie
doesn't really do anything with that. I kind
of just assumed that like somehow Hans was going
to like, you know, inject a cure into this enormous
troll and like cure it of rabies and it would
kind of like frolic back to the mountains or
whatever, which maybe would be a little bit naive,
like too much of a happy ending. But like, you
know, the movie just does nothing with the whole
rabies element and the fact that like all these
trolls seem to be. impacted by this disease and
then he just kills it at the end it's like oh
okay i guess that's taken care of right yeah
so narratively i would say hans does not have
a catharsis hans is the same character he was
at the beginning now that works because the character
is so endearing but i think to your point to
make it a stronger to drive home the themes a
little bit more strongly through the character
of Hans, you would have liked to have seen a
character arc, a different man than he was at
the beginning by maybe saving the troll instead
of destroying it. Exactly. Because if he does
hate his job so much and he's so tormented by
it, I feel like there should be some catharsis
at the end of the movie, like you were saying,
but we don't really get that, you know? And I
think there are other ways that things are a
little bit sloppy as well. There's a seismologist
who's introduced in the last five or maybe ten
minutes of the movie, and he's totally irrelevant.
He does not need to be there. He does nothing
at all to advance the plot. He barely even has
any dialogue. And there's also a cameraman character
who was killed by one of the trolls. So then
we get a second camera person, a woman who is
a Muslim. And I thought that was kind of an interesting
new theme that was added because then it's like,
oh, did the trolls, is it only like Christian
blood that they smell? Or is it like faith in
God, faith in religion? That's kind of what triggers
them a little bit. And then the movie doesn't
do anything with that either. So it's like, you
know, I feel like you're kind of making up the
story as you go along and you're using the found
footage premise as like a way to excuse that,
you know? Okay, there's a lot here. The ending.
The ending in general, there were some there
were some rushed components. I agree in the storytelling,
like like the end of Monty Python and the Holy
Grail, where even that ending kind of has like
a found footage feel like the camera and then
the police show up and kind of felt like that.
Like, oh, now the government's here and we're
all just going to run, run away, run away. Yeah.
I love the Holy Grail comparison. That's great.
It just came to me. But putting a pin in that,
I just want to circle back to Hans. There is
a reading, I think, this is just me thinking
out loud. So the character does destroy the Jotnar,
but then he does just walk off into the wilderness
with just a backpack. It doesn't look like he
is equipped or prepared for the weather conditions.
and the terrain that he's venturing off into.
So I did actually read a downbeat, nihilistic
reading into that. Does he plan to return? Maybe
not. And maybe he's just come to that kind of
terms with his fate. Interesting. I like that
reading. I think maybe there's also the possibility
that... I feel like the movie implies that he
and Hilda, the veterinarian, have a certain chemistry.
They hug. It's like a prolonged hug. And every
time they talk on the phone, it seems pretty
sincere. So I think maybe the more positive interpretation
is that maybe Hans is going to be with her. But
yeah, if he's walking through the tundra without
a coat, that seems unlikely. But it really does
leave it wide open, the fate of his character.
Right, right. If I'm being generous, that was
the choice. And yet, if the director literally
says, my theme is wildlife conservation, I would
have liked to have seen some conserving of the
wildlife. Yes. Right. That would have driven
home the point, for sure. Just at the end. Blow
them all up the rest of the runtime. But at the
end, save one troll. Yeah. Yeah, like if anything,
I feel like the kind of critique of the government
being, you know, what's the word? Operating behind
the scenes like covertly and like lying to its
citizenry and like, you know, because they claim
that the troll attacks are actually bear attacks.
And this government bureaucrat is kind of like
lying to the public and sort of keeping this
conspiracy or not, not conspiracy. He's keeping
this. charade alive do you say charade or charade
in that instance i in that context i think you
could say charade okay felt a little pretentious
but also more fitting for the moment you know
you know you could be pretentious on this show
the question suddenly occurred to me and i yeah
Anyway, I'm going off on a tangent now. So like
the, you know, the anti -government critique,
I feel like that's a little bit more prominent
in the movie because that's actually how Trollhunter
ends. There's like fake news footage with the
prime minister that's like doctored to make it
seem like he admits to trolls being in Norway.
So that element is there more than the wildlife
conservation, I would say. Yeah, anti -government,
government conspiracy. So this is... I put a
pin in this just a few minutes ago. I'm going
to pull that pin back out with the ending. I
mean, yeah, we're going to talk about spoilers.
But in the epilogue of the film over text on
the screen, it's revealed that these student
filmmakers we've been following are never heard
from again. They're never seen. They just disappear.
And I, again, that dissonance because I'm being
confronted by. a read that these kids were eliminated
by the government or something. Something terrible
happened to them, which did not fit the tone
of the rest of the film. More specifically, those
kinds of stakes, those kinds of life and death
stakes, to me, were not present throughout the
film. You had Finn, the government bureaucrat,
just showing up and saying, hey, I'll take your
camera. He never once said, hey, we could kill
you. Right. And then he did. And so that epilogue
really threw me for a loop. Same. Yeah, it's
it doesn't really make a lot of sense because
Finn says those things. He's like, if you think
I'm going to let you walk out of here with those
tapes, you're dead. You're wrong. He doesn't
say you're dead wrong. He says you're wrong.
But then he just leaves and he like lets them
walk away with the tapes. So it's like, well,
you're not only are you like a shady government
bureaucrat, you're also very bad at that, man.
But then, yeah, like everybody, like all the
teenagers die at the end. Those titles say that
like the corpse of the cameraman is never found
in that cave where he was killed. So apparently.
The government went in there to like recover
his corpse and keep that under wraps. But yeah,
I mean, to your point that like, you know, having
that, but also like these fun, silly moments
where like trolls blow up and we get like slime
and blood and like troll piss all over you. It
just doesn't really like coalesce very well,
you know? Yeah. So I think there was an opportunity
to heighten the stakes throughout the film just
a little bit. Yeah, to make that ending ring
true. Oh, but then I was thinking about it. The
epilogue doesn't say I don't think it says that
the that the young filmmakers died or were killed.
I think that's like the first reading, the obvious
reading. But then I thought, well, Hans, the
troll hunter, he says he's the only one and he
has to be replaced at some point, you would think.
So. If I was the government agent, I would say
to these young filmmakers who now know the secret,
I'd say, look, we could kill you or you could
become the new troll hunters. So I think that's
a plausible, more hopeful ending. It's all conjecture,
but that's how I choose to read it. It's more
interesting to me. I like that reading. I honestly
feel like you're putting more thought into it
than the filmmakers did. Because we don't even
know what happened with Tomas' rabies. Was he
cured of rabies? Presumably at some point he
was. And earlier in the movie it talks about
how Hans was a member of the military. He was
a member of the Navy, so he's a veteran. And
presumably that's kind of what led to him taking
on this role with the government. But if he doesn't
do it anymore, then what does the government
do? I mean, I do like your reading, but like,
It seems more likely that they would like turn
to like a soldier or like some other government
bureaucrat to like, you know, not risk that being
exposed to the public. So who knows? But I don't
think the movie really has thought that through.
Like, I don't think it really has any indication
of what happens after the end, you know? No.
Yeah, right, right. And that's why, I mean, the
movie, you could call it a comedy, right? And
I'm watching it not as a Norwegian, so I don't
know these comedians at all. So to me, they are
very dramatic actors. But the wry sense of humor
did come through. I still knew, oh, this has
a sense of humor, even when they're being serious.
So if it is a comedy, I don't know, not to knock
comedy, but yeah, maybe we're not going to think
about those kinds of... particulars in terms
of stakes and tragedy and whatnot. Right. And,
you know, I admire it when comedic movies do
have like darker themes and like maybe have like
things going on thematically that like are not
right there on the surface. Like I really like
it when comedies do that. But in this case, it
doesn't really seem like I just feel like you
need to balance that tone a little bit better
than this movie is able to do. Yeah. Yeah. Certainly
that ending. The Monty Python ending, we'll call
it. Yeah. It's too bad because up until then,
the ending is my favorite part of the movie.
Yeah, yeah. The sweeping vistas of the tundra
and the giant troll. And then, but like juxtaposed
in the foreground, like at the troll's feet in
these like really wide shots, you see the figure
of Hans or you see his Jeep. And just like the
sense of scale is really impressive to me. Yeah,
same. Like visually and just, you know, dramatically,
the ending is the most effective part of that
movie. And so the last five minutes when it kind
of drops the ball a little bit. Yeah, they're
like, we got to wrap this up. Yeah, indeed. Other
I do find the the Christian aspect interesting.
And obviously this is beyond just the movie Troll
Hunter, but it's it's an element of. troll folklore
but this is the director again he says quote
when they the trolls smell christian blood they
get very aggressive it's like holding a red cape
in front of an ox it's that kind of thing that
is also related to the stories because it was
the christians that destroyed the trolls power
so to speak when the country was christian in
the 13th century the trolls lost all their power
over the population because they weren't worshiping
or afraid of them anymore they stopped the people
stopped believing in them And then they started
hiding out in the forest to avoid humans and
being killed. So, yeah, I really admire, like,
that's just a really interesting perspective
on, yeah, we know trolls aren't real, but at
a certain point in history, they were real, quote
unquote. And through the dominating forces of
organized religion, the culture shifted. And
you think about that now with... colonialism
is a is a strong word for what i'm talking about
but but a hegemony to bring that word back to
to cultures i mean you do you lose native religions
you lose native languages you lose native cultural
touchstones through another's religion or another's
media i mean you could extrapolate as much as
you want yeah I'm glad you brought that up. And
it is really fascinating because it kind of speaks
to like the relationship between myth and history,
you know, like because mythology for so long
was a way for human beings to understand the
world. And like oftentimes it was through figures
like trolls or ogres, like, you know, gods and
demons and like very ancient religions. But then,
yeah, like Christianity. Islam, Judaism, like
the kind of main major organized religions that
we think of did kind of replace those elements
of myth and folklore. And you wonder what was
lost in that process, you know? And like, I feel
like maybe that's why a lot of monsters still
do have such mythical power because they go back
to like ancient times when human beings were
just trying to understand the world. And maybe
like, that's, that's why, I don't know, monsters
like trolls. still have like this element of
like what if they do exist because like thousands
and thousands of years ago people thought they
did you know i don't know if that's historically
super accurate but like you know what point i'm
trying to get across yeah yeah yeah so i like
i like that part of it and i like that quote
from the director again the movie might have
done a little bit more to suggest that you know
and it seems like maybe a little bit like Sorry
to use the word sloppy again, but introducing
a Muslim character and asking that question,
but then not really doing anything with that.
It's like, oh, you set up a really interesting
tension there, and then you kind of just abandon
that. Yeah, I think that was one of the best
jokes of the movie when Hans is asked, do trolls,
can they smell a Muslim's blood? And just deadpan,
perfect delivery. He says, honestly, I don't
know. Yeah. Let's find out. Let's find out. We
never do find out. Right. If the movie had 15
more minutes, maybe we could have found out.
But again, to your point, it wasn't interested
in that. To my point, it was a comedy. Yeah.
Which made the joke and move on. Yeah. But, you
know, you do wonder if there was a missed opportunity
there for some. it for a for a richer conversation
right and you know like maybe it just started
as like it's an element of folklore so let's
throw it in there maybe they weren't really trying
to make a big comment on that but it's yeah it
could have been i don't know exactly how they
would have done it but like just a little bit
more in that direction might have been interesting
yeah i agree yeah so so anyway yeah i i really
appreciate the historical context behind Or the
take on why trolls are against Christians because
of those reasons we just talked about. Yeah.
Interesting. I love that. I love history and
I love fairy tales and traditional folklore.
And I think a movie like Troll Hunter, here we
are having this conversation. So I love that
value in updating. Modernizing traditional folklore.
I'm trying to think, you know, I don't know.
It's kind of kind of hard to think of other examples,
to be honest, of like really ancient folklore
updated to like a modern setting. I'm trying
and I can't really think of too many. I agree.
Or to this quality of filmmaking. I feel like
there's bargain bin horror movies that repurpose
traditional things. Yeah. You know, I guess I'm
thinking of a couple horror movies that are set
in modern times that, like, rework Native American
folklore a little bit. Like, Antlers, the movie
from a couple years ago, does that. I mean, Wendigo,
a Larry Fessenden movie, does that as well from
maybe, like, 20 years ago. But, like, I would
have to rewatch both those movies, not to get
too much into identity politics. They're both
by non -Native filmmakers, so I just wonder if
that's really the best way to update that folklore.
But, you know, it's interesting to like consider
that maybe. Yeah, some of these some of these
like ancient ways to like look at the world are
still around in some like metaphorical way, you
know? Yeah, I was just thinking about I have
not seen those movies. I've heard of them. Now
they're on my list. But sorry, I was just thinking
about there's a there's a Cinderella type movie
that came out recently. I think it's it's makeup
effects or is getting award buzz. Hmm. Is it
the ugly stepsister by any chance? Yeah. Yeah.
Which is set in like the, you know, several centuries
ago. So now like updated to modern times, but,
but it is like a very feminist, very like body
horror in your face, kind of retelling of that.
Maybe, you know, like maybe sinners does that
a little bit. Like I really love sinners. And
I think that is an attempt to like, like, of
course it takes the vampire mythology, but I
think it's kind of. playing with history and
just it's not updated to like modern times per
se although there is that kind of like mid -credit
scene that's set in the 90s which i love but
yeah that's the closest american film that i
really loved from 2025 that i can think of that's
like updating mythology and folklore and like
a really intentional way you know that's true
i'll give you that yeah well there's some other
little themes in in troll hunter there's tension
between farmers, ranchers, and wildlife conservation,
which is a theme in any rural area. We also see
tension with this Polish bear hunter who's providing
the bears. I did read that Poles make up a large
immigrant population in Norway and are often
the butt of jokes and anti -immigrant sentiment.
So troll hunters poking fun at that a little
bit in that instance. Yeah. I like that scene.
I thought that was pretty funny. Yeah. Because
like the, those characters like taking part in
this, like ridiculous again, charade. Yeah. Okay.
I'm going to say charade next time. It doesn't
feel right either, but you know, the, this, the,
yeah, the, the Polish people in the movie are
like finding. dead bears to like put up the scene
of these troll devastation to yeah to mislead
the public or whatever so it's like this vast
government conspiracy and it's totally ridiculous
you know and they they there's a really funny
moment someone is questioning the bear like bears
don't walk like this like walk this funny and
the guy says well it was a russian bear right
the russian bears they're a little off or something
just making fun of the russians That was a good,
you know, relatively subtle way to like maybe
comment on Norway's like, I don't know, xenophobia
is a strong word, but like distrust of outsiders,
you know? You know, not to go back to the star
of the film, Yes Person's political views, but
there is an audience for his humor. Let's put
it that way. Yeah. Yeah, I think in many countries
throughout the world right now, including the
United States, there is a strong, like, right
-leaning sort of attitude among some people,
you know? Where it is entrenching, like, nationalistic
views and distrusting outsiders. That's definitely
not constrained to Norway, and it's always, sadly,
like, a relevant theme, you know? It's just all
hundreds of comedy, and it's like, you know,
that moment is kind of presented with levity,
so, like, not, it doesn't hammer the point home
or anything. But, yeah, it's there, if you want
to find it there, I think. Yeah. Yeah. Still
a lot of moments of humor in this movie. A lot
of moments of camp, of fun. Before we talk about
our breakdowns, were there any other thematic
elements you wanted to highlight? Well, this
kind of goes along with like the tension between
farmers and like people who work in rural areas
and like, you know, the more urban areas of Norway
and like the government itself. But like some
of the power stuff, like power lines and power
grids, I thought was kind of interesting because
like. all these power lines are like meant as
like a shield to keep out the trolls. But then
every time they put up new power lines, like
the citizens kind of complain about it. It's
like a big expenditure and it's like an eyesore
in the landscape and all this stuff. And they
even, it's like a surprisingly prominent part
of the story, I would say, because they visit
a power plant and they like ask like why, you
know, there's been a lot of destruction to these
like power lines recently. And it turns out to
be the trolls, of course, but. But yeah, I think
that element is there, too. You get these, like,
I don't know, rural communities that, like, don't
really trust electricity, like, or at least these
kind of, like, major forms of electricity. But
it is kind of keeping out the trolls. So I think
that's kind of, like, symbolic way to, like,
depict that tension, you know? We see that in
this country with offshore windmills, but even
in the Midwest, like, people on the... On the
plains in beautiful mountain landscapes, they
see the windmills go up for energy and they call
it an eyesore on the landscape. Yeah. And maybe
taking jobs away from like more traditional industries
like coal and stuff like that, you know, where
if it's better for the environment and in the
long run better for human beings, still it's
like in the short term, it's like taking away
jobs and security and stuff like that, you know?
Yeah. So that's all there too. Unexpectedly.
No, I think there are unexpected real issues
presented in this film to varying levels of depth.
But there's still a lot there. Totally agree.
Yeah, for sure. There's a lot I liked about this
movie. I thought the found footage, mockumentary
approach worked for me in this movie. I think
it was... I think it lended an effective air
of suspense to a lot of the action. The first
time we encounter a troll in the dark woods,
the camera's shaking, you know, and it's just
something like that where it's not just shaking
for the sake of it. To me, it was supporting
the suspense because I can't see anything, just
like the characters can't see anything. So I'm
in that relationship with the characters. The
wry sense of humor, I really loved. The world
building, I thought, was all very methodical
and intentional. And things I mentioned before,
the different kinds of trolls. I like the CGI
in this movie. It's low budget, but effective
for all the reasons I've mentioned before. Yeah.
Nice. I would agree with some of that. I disagree
with some of it and I'll talk about that in the
bad category. But yeah, I do like this movie's
sense of humor. I actually really like Jesperson's
performance a lot. I think, you know, the character
of Hans is instrumental in maintaining our interest
and like keeping us engaged through the movie.
And I think he's able to do that. And I think
it gets better as it goes on up until the last
five minutes. But like the late sequence, like
on the... You know, you have these great snowy
landscapes and like, again, you can finally see
this huge troll like fairly clearly for the first
time. All that works really well, like such a
dramatic end to the movie. And then before that,
you also have the scene in the cave where like
they're kind of like investigating this cave
a little bit. And then this family of trolls
like comes back and they have to hide from them.
And it's actually a pretty suspenseful moment.
But it's also like a moment of humor because
then I think one of the trolls farts and like
all the characters is like nearly throwing up
and they're like right behind this troll and
like trying to stay hidden. So that was kind
of a nice moment of gross out, but still funny
humor. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I don't know the
the senses of humor and like later on some of
those scenes. Yeah. Do do kind of catch your
interest. More like strikingly than some of the
early parts in the movie do, in my opinion. Tell
me about the form and the aesthetic and why I'm
wrong. Yeah, so this, you know, this isn't a
bad category. And this will speak to my subjective
response. Like you talked before about how the
negative reviews were like, it's just not my
cup of tea sort of thing. And that might be true
of me to a certain extent. But I hate the fake
found footage. mockumentary approach. I think
I talked about this with Cloverfield too. I really
hate it. And I think like, you know, what you
gain in the element of like, Oh, we have this
gimmick. Like you, then you lose a lot in terms
of like shot composition because this approach,
you know, you don't have to set up a shot. You
just like point the camera anywhere. You shake
it all around and you're like, Oh, it's fine
footage. It doesn't matter. And then, like, it
also kind of allows you to, like, not really
edit very carefully. Like, in this movie, it's,
like, you have some shots that last, like, a
couple seconds of them, like, driving, and the
Norwegian landscape is, like, visible through
the windows, or it's just a shot of them, like,
walking through a dark forest. And it's, like,
you don't even have to, like, edit this scene
very carefully because you're just conveying
information, you know? It's, like... And, like,
there's even a title at the beginning of the
movie that's, like, this is a rough cut of the
found footage, so it's, like, automatically excusing
it's bad editing you know like and like usually
when I see a movie like this or Cloverfield I'm
like alright I get that it's supposed to be found
footage or whatever but like first of all I don't
believe that because I understand this is the
concept, but like clearly it's not found footage.
It's trolls. And in Cloverfield, it's like, you
know, CGI of like this huge monstrous thing.
So like I just don't buy that it's found footage.
And maybe you could say that I should have more
suspension of disbelief. But one of the reasons
I don't is because like the aesthetic, the visual
style is like not convincing because you're not
setting up any compositions. You're not editing
very carefully. Like I feel like some of the
shots in Trollhunter, like the Norwegian landscape
is beautiful, but it's like you could get a similar
image on your phone just like while you're on
vacation. You know what I mean? So every time
I watch a movie like this, I'm like, just set
up a camera, set up a shot, please. And like
edit the scene so that like I am affected emotionally
or viscerally. Because with this kind of approach,
it's like you can do whatever you want. And like,
that's your excuse. You don't even have to try
to affect the audience, you know? So I'm going
off on a rant a little bit and I apologize, but
I really do not like this approach. And I feel
like it loses a lot of like drama and intensity
by like shooting a movie this way, you know?
Can I ask what, and I'm just, I'm just asking,
I'm just, I love this discourse. Are there examples
in film, monster movies or not where this, this,
this form works for you. You know, I do like
the Blair witch project. I think like that movie
is a lot of stuff happens off screen in that
movie. And maybe that's why maybe a lot of people
would criticize it, you know, for being kind
of boring and you don't see a lot of horror on
screen. But I think that's why I buy it. Like,
you know, I, when you, Hear people rattling the
tent. Not people, you hear something rattling
the tent. Or at the end of the movie, again,
I won't give away any spoilers, but it's like
this myth, this folklore, at the very end of
the movie, you seem to see it happening right
in front of you. I buy that it's found footage
in that movie. But here... you know, it's not
just like a shaky camera that like convinces
you that it's found footage or that it's really
happening. It's also the performances and the
dialogue and like the visual effects are decent
in this movie and in Cloverfield, but it's like
CGI is always going to be, there's like the uncanny
valley, right? You know, it's not really happening.
So I think like the only time I would really
buy it. an approach like this is when you don't
have CGI and maybe that's like just a little
bit too black or white, but I honestly think
that's kind of the case. No, that's a good point
you raise. I mean, that, that, that, that speaks
to me, the inherent conflict and juxtaposition
of found footage, which is, this is real, like
as real as it can be. And yet you're the subject
of your real film is. a cgi image which is not
in camera which is inherently not real so there
is a total dissonance in that yeah yeah right
like maybe even if it was like it would be almost
impossible for like the giant troll at the end
but if it was animatronics or like a man in a
suit i might actually buy that more with this
right right can you talk a little am i am i a
total Am I totally off base here? Just tell me
if I'm just ignorant. Is there any sense of cinema
verite to Trollhunter? I mean, I wouldn't use
the term cinema verite because I think that does
speak to like realism. And like, obviously, this
movie is like not trying to be realistic, you
know. But I think, you know, I would say that
like. the concept would work. I think for a lot
of people it did work. And the concept for Cloverfield
did work for a lot of people, you know? I wouldn't
say that it was cinema verite necessarily, but
I think it was like an interesting tension between
like, you know, supposedly this is found footage
that actually happened, but obviously it didn't
because it's trolls and like huge monsters and
stuff like that, you know? So I think that element
is there, you know? Yeah, yeah. I don't know
if I, is that what you were asking? No, no, I've
got my critical, brain on right now no in the
movie it is real you're saying it's not real
because it's trolls well we know that as the
audience but in the world of the film it is real
yeah but that's where I would say that like there
are other things that like lend to a sense of
realism and I think like the performances and
the dialogue and the CGI prevent that from happening
for me but I you know yeah I mean I think like
And certainly like the shaky handheld camera
and like the sort of like jarring like cuts in
the middle of a scene. Hypothetically, that would
like create an element or a sense of like, this
is really happening, you know? Yeah. Thank you.
Yeah. You know, I like some of the paranormal
activity movies too. Like, and I think again,
it's because they like downplay CGI for the most
part. No, but sometimes as a movie lover, I like
to get on my soapbox a little bit. I know that
it's just a fun concept. I understand that. But
I really don't like the found footage mockumentary
approach, and I feel like usually it's not very
effective for me, personally. I would complain
about some other things in the movie as well.
I think, again, the story is a little bit sloppy,
and that's not due to the found footage approach.
That's just because, like... There, you know,
again, it goes back to like that seismologist
that comes in at the very end for no reason,
the rabies element that they don't do anything
with at all. So like, I think the story, even
if it is like found footage could have been built
more carefully. And then the, the final like
criticism I'll say in the bad category for me.
I thought the teenage characters, the students
were so insufferable. I hated them. Like, and
if I was Hans, I would be like, no, you can't
come along. I can't stand you guys. Why do you,
I don't want to be in your little movie, you
know? And I like, there are so many parts towards
the beginning where they're like, oh, trolls
don't exist. And they're like making fun of it.
And it's like, all of this is kind of boring
to me right now. You know, like I, I just look,
let's just get past this, you know, because they.
OK, like and now I'm probably over criticizing
the movie a little bit too much, but I'll just
leave it at that. I found those characters very
obnoxious. No, I mean, yeah, you're not going
to get pushback from me on that. I felt like
the movie could have gotten on with it a little
bit sooner. I mean that and that. I mean, I'll
admit like the the found footage shaky cam stuff
in this movie didn't bother me. But there were
there are long stretches of just. driving and,
and landscape shots, which I found very beautiful.
So like, I didn't mind that, but I can still
critique it and say, are we, what is the purpose
of the, the, the 12th landscape shot of this
movie? Is it to establish geography? Cause we've
already done that. Or is it to pad our runtime
a little bit? Yup. And I think with found footage,
that is a common criticism where we're just filming
people walking through a forest. Okay, but we've
done that before. What is the driving force behind
this choice here? So yeah, the movie does fall
into that trap a little bit. Yeah. I feel like
I've been a little too hard on the movie. Maybe
not too hard, but I've been hard on it. So what's
in your bad category for the movie? I not much.
Now I feel especially bad. No, but I love it
because you've never seen the movie. I had seen
it and I do remember watching it. I watched it
with my buddies and, you know, it was just like
kind of a nostalgic return for me. So I have
a lot of forgiveness for for stuff that in another
movie I might be harder on. Yeah. Where I will
criticize the movie is the thematic stuff we
talked about. How we don't drive home any sympathy
for the trolls. They are depicted as just dumb,
ugly monsters to be blown up. But what if we
had a kid? What if we had a mother nursing a
kid? And it's like, whoa, whoa, whoa. Are we
going to blow that family up? I think there's
a lot of missed opportunities because even in
a movie, even in a comedy. And this is a comedy,
and yet it's presented rather seriously. Therein
lies the humor. But nonetheless, there was still
opportunity to really deepen sympathy for our
monsters. Yeah, totally agree. Can't wait to
hear what you rate this movie. Well, you know,
I won't be excessively hard on it, I promise.
But I feel like we had a similar conversation
with Cloverfield because... As I remember, you
liked it a little bit more than I did. And maybe,
I don't know, I don't want to speak for you,
but maybe nostalgia plays a certain role in that.
Like remembering seeing it when it first came
out. Maybe. I'll have to go back and listen to
our episode. But I think the mockumentary found
footage, whatever you want to call it, in Trollhunter
works for me more than it did in Cloverfield.
Maybe it's because Cloverfield's approach was
using different forms of, like that was a found
footage movie. And I want to draw the distinction
then between found footage and a mockumentary.
I think Cloverfield is found footage. People
find a cell phone and they record something.
Troll Hunter, we are following filmmakers and
they are making a documentary. We call it mockumentary
because that's the genre. But to them, it's a
documentary. So I think it does take itself,
I don't know, in a more grounded direction by
that definition. That's a good point. It's a
good distinction. I think it's even harder to
believe in Cloverfield than in this case. Yeah.
I agree. Yeah. I like that. Because I use the
terms interchangeably, but I probably shouldn't.
Right. And even mockumentary. you know we're
calling it mockumentary but in the world of the
film it is a serious documentary which is why
i talked about why i brought up cinema verite
yeah totally yeah yeah and i yeah like i i don't
know i i think like again i just don't know if
like the element of realism is there but like
the concept is is strong you know i can see the
potential there you know what i mean yeah like
what if this movie was not a comedy I, yeah,
it's interesting to think about. And now I kind
of want to see one with like animatronics and
like a man in a suit and see if I would have
a different experience, you know? And if the
tone was a little bit different too. And if the
camera was set up on a tripod. Yeah. If it just
like didn't have any found footage elements whatsoever.
If it was just a conventional movie. Right. Conventional,
but well -made, you know? Yes. I love it. We're
splitting hairs in the best ways. We're having
a real conversation here. Yeah. Yeah. Sometimes
you should have like passionate opinions if you're
a movie lover, you know? Yeah. We'll host a panel
about Troll Hunter and really spar about it.
I mean, that would be awesome. Sign me up. All
right. I think it's time to take us home here
with our final ratings. As always on Camp Kaiju,
we have four ratings. Number one, our highest
rating, it is a timeless classic. It definitely
stands the test of time. Number two, there may
be some antiquated moments, but overall it's
great. It stands the test of time. Our third
rating, it may be historically significant or
just fun, but it does not stand the test of time.
And our lowest rating, it's not worth revisiting.
It definitely does not stand the test of time.
What do you think? Do you want me to go first
or we can end on your opinion? You know, I'm
here for your opinions. I will end it on you.
I will say we didn't specifically talk about
our favorite campy moments in this movie, but
we talked about so many. So I don't need to rehash
any of that. But the things we talked about already
made me laugh. So here we go. I'm going to give
this movie our second highest rating. There are
some, not dated, but maybe some elements may
don't work for various reasons to various viewers.
But overall, I think this movie's sense of history
and culture and folklore are very strong. I think
the movie's lead. Yes person is very strong.
So funny. So, so funny. I laughed out loud with
this movie and I think, I think the special effects
for, for the budget they were on are very effective.
And yeah, overall, despite my need for more thematic
depth, I think this movie stands the test of
time. Nice. I love it. I'm going to give it our
second lowest rating. Because it is fun. I do
love the sense of humor that this movie has.
It's a strong concept, you know, to update traditional
Norwegian folklore to a modern setting with this
approach. It's a strong idea. And I'll fully
admit that, like, it's subjective. Like, I just
don't like this kind of formal approach. I don't
think it's very convincing or effective for me
personally. And, you know, I have some other
quibbles with the movie as well. So overall,
I don't think it stands the test of time, but
it is fun. A lot of people like this movie and
I understand why. And yeah, if you haven't seen
it, it's a good time. But if you don't like the
found footage approach or the fake documentary
approach, you may come out of it much like I
did. But, you know, maybe not. Hopefully not.
Just blast some Christian music and say best
of luck. Exactly. Yeah. Maybe like cover yourself
with some like troll slime before you see it.
Yeah. That was a campy moment. The Hans's truck
playing the Christian music. Cause it was like
so over the top at that point. Yeah. And then
him keeping troll tales in his caravan. That
was just like a lot of, I think like really those
kinds of details enrich the world for me. Yeah.
In a way that just, for me, it's easy to get
sucked into a movie that pays attention to the
details like that. Yeah, that's fair. This isn't
necessarily a can be moment, but I like when
Hans tells the government guy, Finn, he's like,
maybe it's time for a change in troll management.
I thought that was a funny line. One of my favorite
moments of humor in the film. When Hans approaches
the sign that says blast area, caution. And you're
like, ooh, what's gonna happen? And he takes
a sign and just chucks it in the woods. It made
me laugh. Yeah, yeah. It's most of the stuff
with Hans, really. That's the funny stuff in
the movie. Oh, yeah. There's a moment, you know,
like, there's a scene in a lot of movies where,
like, you go into somebody's, like, trailer,
like a dark room, and they've done a lot of research
on something and have, like, news articles all
over the place. There's a similar scene in this
movie where that's kind of funny, and, like...
there was an incident where, like, a troll, like,
it bumped its head on a bridge and, like, caused,
like, all this devastation. And, like, there's
a moment like that with a news article in this
movie that's pretty funny. Yeah. Next time on
Camp Kaiju, Matt, what are we talking about?
At midnight, I'll take your soul. Whoa. Careful.
And also, the next movie we're talking about,
no, I'm just kidding. Yeah, that's the next one.
From Brazil from 1966, I think. Can't wait. Can't
wait. If it's anything like the last movie I
never heard of, Alucarda, I'm in for a treat.
I think you are, yeah. I haven't seen it in a
long time, so I'm excited too. Okay. And we'll
have Frank back, so, you know, we'll get up to
some mischief there. Well, friends, troll hunters,
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