WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:02.819 I thought about you watching this movie because 00:00:02.819 --> 00:00:07.719 even I was a little put off by how, I mean, obviously 00:00:07.719 --> 00:00:10.119 the spiders are real, like the little ones and 00:00:10.119 --> 00:00:12.500 they're everywhere and they're, they're creepy. 00:00:12.560 --> 00:00:17.859 They're crawly. Yeah, it is. It is not for people 00:00:17.859 --> 00:00:21.260 like you. Right. I don't want to admit that to 00:00:21.260 --> 00:00:23.300 Bill, to Mr. Robain. I don't want to admit my 00:00:23.300 --> 00:00:25.339 arachnophobia. So we'll just keep that between 00:00:25.339 --> 00:00:27.399 you and me. And I guess everybody listening to 00:00:27.399 --> 00:00:29.500 this episode right now. I'm going to sell you 00:00:29.500 --> 00:00:47.740 out 100%. Hello and welcome to Camp Kaiju Monster 00:00:47.740 --> 00:00:50.679 Movie Podcast. We're your hosts, Vince and Hannum. 00:00:51.070 --> 00:00:53.390 And Matt Levine. 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Look, it's full of them. 00:03:18.110 --> 00:03:22.189 I'm very concerned. Well, frankly speaking, Doctor, 00:03:22.509 --> 00:04:51.389 so is the United States government. by myself. 00:04:51.709 --> 00:04:54.089 They're hell -bent on destroying that beast. 00:04:54.329 --> 00:04:56.870 The crowd's beginning to take over. We'll call 00:04:56.870 --> 00:04:58.810 the National Guard back. Tell them we need some 00:04:58.810 --> 00:05:05.250 heavy equipment. Guns, tanks, anything. They 00:05:05.250 --> 00:05:08.389 came by the hundreds, by the thousands, killing 00:05:08.389 --> 00:05:11.189 and crippling, creeping, crawling creatures determined 00:05:11.189 --> 00:05:14.089 to destroy the Earth. Could anything stop them? 00:05:14.170 --> 00:05:17.209 Could anything stop the giant spider invasion? 00:05:19.560 --> 00:05:22.139 There has never been a film like this before. 00:05:27.500 --> 00:05:31.699 Matt, what an episode we got tonight. Indeed. 00:05:31.779 --> 00:05:34.560 Yeah, we'll be talking about the giant spider 00:05:34.560 --> 00:05:38.120 invasion. With none other than the man behind 00:05:38.120 --> 00:05:42.139 it, Bill Robain, the producer and director of 00:05:42.139 --> 00:05:44.800 this movie celebrating its 50th anniversary. 00:05:45.579 --> 00:05:48.120 Yeah, so cool. And Bill, I'm sure we'll talk 00:05:48.120 --> 00:05:49.800 to him about this a little bit, but he actually 00:05:49.800 --> 00:05:52.379 shot new footage for the movie, which he's planning 00:05:52.379 --> 00:05:54.939 on incorporating into the film and then re -releasing 00:05:54.939 --> 00:05:57.240 next year, which is very exciting. And that's 00:05:57.240 --> 00:05:59.459 what I really wanted to talk to him about, among 00:05:59.459 --> 00:06:03.259 other things, but is now that we have access 00:06:03.259 --> 00:06:07.019 to technology with computer graphics and whatnot, 00:06:07.360 --> 00:06:13.000 how is he incorporating new technological aspects? 00:06:13.629 --> 00:06:18.410 into a very 1970s picture. And this movie is 00:06:18.410 --> 00:06:22.009 low budget. It doesn't detract from the movie, 00:06:22.089 --> 00:06:25.990 but it's clearly a low budget movie. So I'd love 00:06:25.990 --> 00:06:28.149 to see how that translates 50 years later with 00:06:28.149 --> 00:06:31.389 new footage. Yeah, yeah, totally. It'll be cool 00:06:31.389 --> 00:06:33.730 to watch the new version. And I would also like 00:06:33.730 --> 00:06:36.569 to ask him just like, why now? I know it's the 00:06:36.569 --> 00:06:38.529 50th anniversary of it, but are there other reasons 00:06:38.529 --> 00:06:41.889 to revisit this project and re -release it? So 00:06:41.889 --> 00:06:44.470 I'm sure we'll talk to him about that soon. Yeah, 00:06:44.470 --> 00:06:47.889 yeah. Let's get to some quick nuts and bolts 00:06:47.889 --> 00:06:51.850 while we're waiting for Mr. Rubain. So thanks 00:06:51.850 --> 00:06:54.730 for hanging out with us, friends. Truly, truly, 00:06:54.829 --> 00:06:57.079 truly. We couldn't do this show without you. 00:06:57.139 --> 00:07:00.139 All your support, listener comments. I'm getting 00:07:00.139 --> 00:07:02.339 them. I'm responding. 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All that 00:08:16.180 --> 00:08:18.860 and more and eternal thanks first and foremost. 00:08:19.920 --> 00:08:23.300 Absolutely. Yeah. All right. Coming up on Camp 00:08:23.300 --> 00:08:26.660 Kaiju, it might be the addiction. The addiction 00:08:26.660 --> 00:08:29.339 might come out before this episode. Unsure yet. 00:08:29.759 --> 00:08:32.059 But Matt, let's talk about the addiction as if 00:08:32.059 --> 00:08:35.669 it's our next episode. Yeah, The Addiction, directed 00:08:35.669 --> 00:08:39.230 by Abel Ferrara from 1995, a vampire movie starring 00:08:39.230 --> 00:08:41.850 Lily Taylor. Black and white, a little artsy, 00:08:41.850 --> 00:08:44.230 very philosophical. Frank Olsen was the guest 00:08:44.230 --> 00:08:46.830 star on that episode. Great to talk to him and, 00:08:46.870 --> 00:08:48.450 of course, to you, Vincent, about that movie. 00:08:48.789 --> 00:08:51.570 Really fascinating. One of the better vampire 00:08:51.570 --> 00:08:53.230 movies that I've seen, I would say, personally. 00:08:53.710 --> 00:08:55.970 So yeah, fun conversation. Please check out that 00:08:55.970 --> 00:08:58.909 episode if you haven't already. 100%. And then 00:08:58.909 --> 00:09:01.519 following that... Sean Childers will join the 00:09:01.519 --> 00:09:03.559 podcast and we're going to break down Guillermo 00:09:03.559 --> 00:09:08.179 del Toro's Pacific Rim from 2013. So I think 00:09:08.179 --> 00:09:12.620 I think, you know, was that 12 years? That's 00:09:12.620 --> 00:09:15.740 enough hindsight, you think, to gauge a movie's 00:09:15.740 --> 00:09:21.000 lasting impact? Yeah, yeah, I think so. I think 00:09:21.000 --> 00:09:23.059 like definitely in the context of del Toro's 00:09:23.059 --> 00:09:25.879 career. and maybe just the monster movies that 00:09:25.879 --> 00:09:27.779 have come out since then, like all the Godzilla 00:09:27.779 --> 00:09:30.220 X -Kong movies and all that. Yeah, it'll be interesting 00:09:30.220 --> 00:09:33.419 to talk about. Yeah, for sure. Following that, 00:09:33.559 --> 00:09:36.820 December is jam -packed, and it's a great problem 00:09:36.820 --> 00:09:40.019 to have here in the editing room. But after that, 00:09:40.200 --> 00:09:43.840 we will announce our Season 6 lineup. First six 00:09:43.840 --> 00:09:48.320 months of Season 6 in 2026. There's like a 666 00:09:48.320 --> 00:09:52.480 theme going on here. Yeah, but... We'll have 00:09:52.480 --> 00:09:55.419 some guest hosts, some previous guests from the 00:09:55.419 --> 00:09:58.980 podcast joining us for about an hour. Just to 00:09:58.980 --> 00:10:01.740 have some fun, drink some eggnog, talk about 00:10:01.740 --> 00:10:07.519 all the good times from 2025. Can't wait. Honestly, 00:10:07.740 --> 00:10:10.200 the reveal of our upcoming titles for the next 00:10:10.200 --> 00:10:12.320 season is probably my favorite episode of the 00:10:12.320 --> 00:10:14.320 entire year, so I'm looking forward to it. It's 00:10:14.320 --> 00:10:17.960 fun. Yeah. Man, we've been doing this such a 00:10:17.960 --> 00:10:21.500 long time now that, yeah, we do have a bit of... 00:10:21.789 --> 00:10:23.450 We have like our own traditions on the show. 00:10:23.669 --> 00:10:28.889 Yeah, totally. Yeah. So the giant spider invasion, 00:10:29.149 --> 00:10:32.230 we'll have Bill talk about it, obviously. But 00:10:32.230 --> 00:10:36.429 it is about a meteor that crash lands on Earth 00:10:36.429 --> 00:10:42.230 in rural Wisconsin behind a farmhouse. And the 00:10:42.230 --> 00:10:46.970 meteor spews these like little geodes, they're 00:10:46.970 --> 00:10:50.019 called, little balls of rocks. That happened 00:10:50.019 --> 00:10:56.000 to contain tarantulas. And the tarantulas dosed 00:10:56.000 --> 00:10:58.179 with high levels of radiation because apparently 00:10:58.179 --> 00:11:01.779 they were born out of a dying star and there's 00:11:01.779 --> 00:11:04.940 a black hole element to the story. But some of 00:11:04.940 --> 00:11:07.279 these spiders do grow to gigantic proportions 00:11:07.279 --> 00:11:14.590 and eat and terrorize the townspeople. Yeah, 00:11:14.629 --> 00:11:16.830 it's it gets to be a little bit gruesome at times. 00:11:16.870 --> 00:11:19.029 But I would say like the giant spider is not 00:11:19.029 --> 00:11:20.669 really all that scary, although it does look 00:11:20.669 --> 00:11:23.009 pretty cool. But as I think I mentioned during 00:11:23.009 --> 00:11:25.570 our arachnophobia episode, I do actually have 00:11:25.570 --> 00:11:27.730 arachnophobia. I'm very scared of spiders. So 00:11:27.730 --> 00:11:30.730 like the small like normal size tarantulas freaked 00:11:30.730 --> 00:11:33.669 the hell out of me in this movie. I thought about 00:11:33.669 --> 00:11:37.409 you watching this movie because even I was a 00:11:37.409 --> 00:11:40.500 little put off by how. I mean, obviously the 00:11:40.500 --> 00:11:42.879 spiders are real, like the little ones. And they're 00:11:42.879 --> 00:11:45.820 everywhere. And they're creepy, they're crawly. 00:11:47.279 --> 00:11:52.759 Yeah, it is not for people like you. Right. I 00:11:52.759 --> 00:11:54.919 don't want to admit that to Bill, to Mr. Rubain. 00:11:54.960 --> 00:11:57.259 I don't want to admit my arachnophobia. So we'll 00:11:57.259 --> 00:11:59.139 just keep that between you and me. And I guess 00:11:59.139 --> 00:12:00.720 everybody listening to this episode right now. 00:12:00.980 --> 00:12:03.899 I'm going to sell you out 100%. That's fair. 00:12:05.179 --> 00:12:08.059 But I do want to talk to him about... using the 00:12:08.059 --> 00:12:12.899 live animals on set were they easy to wrangle 00:12:12.899 --> 00:12:16.299 we talked about that in our episode about arachnophobia 00:12:16.299 --> 00:12:18.720 now i'm not going to talk to bill about this 00:12:18.720 --> 00:12:23.299 but i mean i could i guess but let me ask you 00:12:23.299 --> 00:12:26.860 did you i didn't i didn't see any maybe like 00:12:26.860 --> 00:12:30.279 overt or obvious signs of harm to the spiders 00:12:31.259 --> 00:12:33.820 There is one shot where we see a tarantula on 00:12:33.820 --> 00:12:36.539 top of like a dresser and then it cuts to the 00:12:36.539 --> 00:12:38.519 young girl. I forget the character's name in 00:12:38.519 --> 00:12:41.039 the movie. And she is screaming. She's very scared. 00:12:41.159 --> 00:12:42.860 And then she like crushes it with an iron and 00:12:42.860 --> 00:12:46.039 we do see blood splatter. So I think maybe they 00:12:46.039 --> 00:12:48.259 killed the spider in that shot, but I don't totally 00:12:48.259 --> 00:12:50.299 know. But I need to look it up because there 00:12:50.299 --> 00:12:54.399 was so much. It was like a blood pop. Yeah. And 00:12:54.399 --> 00:12:56.519 I don't know if a real tarantula would pop like 00:12:56.519 --> 00:13:01.690 that. And the cut was so quick. Maybe we ask 00:13:01.690 --> 00:13:03.870 them about it. Should we ask them about it? Yeah, 00:13:03.889 --> 00:13:06.090 yeah. Were any animals harmed during the making 00:13:06.090 --> 00:13:10.049 of the movie? And look, despite how I may feel 00:13:10.049 --> 00:13:12.769 about it, I don't want harm to come to any animals 00:13:12.769 --> 00:13:15.769 in the movie. But I'm not going to ask that question 00:13:15.769 --> 00:13:19.269 from a place of judgment. Right. I'm a filmmaker. 00:13:19.370 --> 00:13:23.009 I'm just curious how it was done 50 years ago. 00:13:23.389 --> 00:13:27.629 Yeah. Right. On a very low budget also. Yeah. 00:13:28.230 --> 00:13:30.250 Maybe they couldn't afford to kill a tarantula. 00:13:32.089 --> 00:13:34.590 Or maybe they had to like actually kill a tarantula 00:13:34.590 --> 00:13:35.870 because they didn't have special effects for 00:13:35.870 --> 00:13:38.929 it. I felt like it could go either way, but I'd 00:13:38.929 --> 00:13:41.370 be curious to hear that too. Okay, let's ask 00:13:41.370 --> 00:13:43.570 him. Or we could, you know, like you said, we 00:13:43.570 --> 00:13:45.110 could just ask him what it was like working with 00:13:45.110 --> 00:13:47.669 the animals and how they were, you know? Yeah, 00:13:47.690 --> 00:13:50.730 yeah. Listeners, I've spoken to Bill on the phone 00:13:50.730 --> 00:13:55.730 a little bit. He's a very sincere sounding, genuine 00:13:55.730 --> 00:14:00.710 man and individual. Me and Matt are here just 00:14:00.710 --> 00:14:03.590 to generally learn from him about the making 00:14:03.590 --> 00:14:07.429 of this movie, his career. He worked apparently 00:14:07.429 --> 00:14:11.159 with Herschel Gordon -Lewis. Can you speak a 00:14:11.159 --> 00:14:14.580 little bit more to that director? Yeah. I actually 00:14:14.580 --> 00:14:17.500 haven't seen the movie that they worked on sort 00:14:17.500 --> 00:14:20.240 of together. Although I think actually Bill Robain 00:14:20.240 --> 00:14:22.179 shot footage for it and then Herschel Gordon 00:14:22.179 --> 00:14:24.000 -Lewis kind of took it over. So I don't know 00:14:24.000 --> 00:14:25.840 how much they actually worked together on it. 00:14:25.899 --> 00:14:28.600 But let me just pull up a list of his filmography 00:14:28.600 --> 00:14:29.980 real quick because I don't want to get any of 00:14:29.980 --> 00:14:32.220 the names wrong. Yeah. I think the movie you're 00:14:32.220 --> 00:14:34.100 thinking about, we're talking about is called 00:14:34.100 --> 00:14:38.580 Monster A Go -Go from the early 60s. Yes. And 00:14:38.580 --> 00:14:40.620 I have not seen that one, unfortunately. But 00:14:40.620 --> 00:14:43.460 Herschel Gordon Lewis, one of his nicknames is 00:14:43.460 --> 00:14:46.440 the Godfather of Gore. So he was one of the, 00:14:46.440 --> 00:14:50.799 you know, pioneers of low budget kind of schlocky 00:14:50.799 --> 00:14:54.440 shock horror cinema. The Gore Gore Girls is an 00:14:54.440 --> 00:14:56.279 example of one of his movies. And that title 00:14:56.279 --> 00:14:59.039 kind of says it all. The Wizard of Gore. I have 00:14:59.039 --> 00:15:01.799 seen that one's a lot of fun. Let's see here. 00:15:02.429 --> 00:15:04.870 Color Me Blood Red. I actually highly recommend 00:15:04.870 --> 00:15:07.350 that movie. And that's about a painter who uses, 00:15:07.549 --> 00:15:10.669 you know, human blood for his masterpieces. That 00:15:10.669 --> 00:15:13.529 one's good. Blood Feast is another good one. 00:15:13.970 --> 00:15:16.549 So yeah, Herschel Gordon -Lewis kind of just, 00:15:16.750 --> 00:15:18.830 The Wizard of Gore is another nickname that he 00:15:18.830 --> 00:15:22.309 had. Very like influential for the giallo genre 00:15:22.309 --> 00:15:26.519 and other horror movies as well. An unknown species 00:15:26.519 --> 00:15:30.259 of horror is born as science fiction becomes 00:15:30.259 --> 00:15:36.220 science fact. If you find any problems out there 00:15:36.220 --> 00:15:38.460 at the Colby place, just keep it to yourself. 00:15:44.240 --> 00:15:46.399 He's over at Colby's. He's found another 20 or 00:15:46.399 --> 00:15:53.250 30 hills just like the one we burned. I mean, 00:15:53.269 --> 00:15:55.970 this right here is scientific phenomenon. As 00:15:55.970 --> 00:15:58.669 you know, all species of megalomorphs are cannibalistic. 00:15:58.870 --> 00:16:00.970 If you put them together, they'll kill each other 00:16:00.970 --> 00:16:03.409 off. They just don't colonize like ants or bees 00:16:03.409 --> 00:16:10.289 do. An army of deadly predators, searching, destroying 00:16:10.289 --> 00:16:17.490 anything in their path. Why did they come? What 00:16:17.490 --> 00:16:20.679 do they want? In the tradition of the great science 00:16:20.679 --> 00:16:23.899 fiction thrillers, Dimension Pictures presents 00:16:23.899 --> 00:16:28.639 Kingdom of the Spiders. Starring William Shatner, 00:16:28.799 --> 00:16:33.019 Tiffany Pauling, Woody Strode, and introducing 00:16:33.019 --> 00:16:36.620 Althavise Davis. The spiders in this area have 00:16:36.620 --> 00:16:38.779 organized themselves into an aggressive army. 00:16:39.039 --> 00:16:40.840 I've never seen anything like it. One minute 00:16:40.840 --> 00:16:42.360 they weren't there, the next minute they were 00:16:42.360 --> 00:16:53.120 everywhere. Jump out of there! and just thousands 00:16:53.120 --> 00:16:54.980 of them out there will never make it. Why haven't 00:16:54.980 --> 00:16:56.820 we heard from the sheriff? He must know we're 00:16:56.820 --> 00:16:58.399 trapped in here. I'm telling you, I don't think 00:16:58.399 --> 00:17:08.180 we should chance it. Your nightmares will never 00:17:08.180 --> 00:17:12.599 be the same. Kingdom of the Spiders. The next 00:17:12.599 --> 00:17:44.190 victim could be you. But what if circumstances 00:17:44.190 --> 00:17:47.950 were to magnify one of them in size and strength, 00:17:48.150 --> 00:17:50.809 took it out of its primitive world and turned 00:17:50.809 --> 00:17:53.890 it loose in ours? Then expect something that's 00:17:53.890 --> 00:17:56.670 fiercer, more cruel and deadly than anything 00:17:56.670 --> 00:17:59.470 that ever walked the Earth. Even science was 00:17:59.470 --> 00:18:01.930 stunned. The new atomic miracle should have been 00:18:01.930 --> 00:18:05.710 mankind's greatest boon. Instead, when such power 00:18:05.710 --> 00:18:08.289 to cause phenomenal growth proved dangerously 00:18:08.289 --> 00:18:11.490 unstable, man was confronted with his most shocking 00:18:11.490 --> 00:18:15.509 blunder. The isotope triggered our nutrients 00:18:15.509 --> 00:18:18.670 into a nightmare. A blunder that transformed 00:18:18.670 --> 00:18:22.369 a tiny insect into the 100 -foot spider that 00:18:22.369 --> 00:18:24.589 was now ravaging the panic -stricken countryside. 00:19:10.730 --> 00:19:13.230 The Jennings family has just moved to the small 00:19:13.230 --> 00:19:19.369 town of Kanaima. Oh, Ross, smell that air. Oh, 00:19:19.450 --> 00:19:22.910 God. In search of a simpler life. Wanna blow 00:19:22.910 --> 00:19:26.130 up a bullfrog? Okay. It's the perfect place. 00:19:26.450 --> 00:19:29.170 Goodbye crime, goodbye grime. Except for one 00:19:29.170 --> 00:19:31.549 pesty little problem. Come with me and look at 00:19:31.549 --> 00:19:35.109 the web. The web? I have terrible fear of spiders. 00:19:35.470 --> 00:19:37.549 Come on, we live in the country now. It's time 00:19:37.549 --> 00:19:40.609 to work through this irrational, paralyzing terror. 00:19:41.170 --> 00:19:46.750 It's not irrational. Hollywood Pictures and Amblin 00:19:46.750 --> 00:19:49.650 Entertainment present Jeff Daniels. Honey, we're 00:19:49.650 --> 00:19:51.650 in the living room. We need you to kill a spider. 00:19:51.890 --> 00:19:54.470 And John Goodman. Don't pretend to talk infestation 00:19:54.470 --> 00:19:57.450 here. Oh, my God, it's just a spider. Would anybody 00:19:57.450 --> 00:20:01.109 object if I tore this floor out? I would. False 00:20:01.109 --> 00:20:03.329 alarm, then leave on. There's no spider here. 00:20:03.430 --> 00:20:06.150 Every so often in a little town somewhere, there 00:20:06.150 --> 00:20:08.410 is a health scare. There's a rumor going around 00:20:08.410 --> 00:20:10.710 that some kind of spider might have killed Sam 00:20:10.710 --> 00:20:14.029 Metcalf. Doubtful. Spiders make convenient culture. 00:20:15.089 --> 00:20:17.829 There's no spider here. I think one of your Venezuelan 00:20:17.829 --> 00:20:19.750 spiders hitched a ride here. There may be some 00:20:19.750 --> 00:20:22.549 spiders around here that are very dangerous. 00:20:22.789 --> 00:20:25.769 Dad, chill out. Just run. They spread out from 00:20:25.769 --> 00:20:28.529 a central nest in a web -like pattern and dominate 00:20:28.529 --> 00:20:32.490 the entire area. When that happens... This town 00:20:32.490 --> 00:20:36.910 is dead. Better record my private stock. Rock 00:20:36.910 --> 00:20:45.390 and roll! Hollywood Pictures and Amblin Entertainment 00:20:45.390 --> 00:20:51.529 present Arachnophobia. Eight legs, two fangs, 00:20:51.569 --> 00:20:54.670 and an attitude. Perk up, Lloyd. If we find the 00:20:54.670 --> 00:20:57.369 spider that did this, you can arrest him. Arachnophobia. 00:20:57.690 --> 00:21:05.890 A thrill -omedy. What? You know what? This episode 00:21:05.890 --> 00:21:10.650 is the giant spider invasion of Camp Kaiju episodes. 00:21:11.289 --> 00:21:14.109 Where there's a will, there's a way. Yeah. Okay, 00:21:14.150 --> 00:21:16.529 listeners, so here's what happened. We had Bill 00:21:16.529 --> 00:21:19.549 Rubain on the call through no fault of his own, 00:21:19.589 --> 00:21:22.130 through no fault of anyone's. You know, the gremlins 00:21:22.130 --> 00:21:25.549 were at play in the machines here, and we had 00:21:25.549 --> 00:21:28.410 trouble getting Zoom to work. Said, okay, we'll 00:21:28.410 --> 00:21:32.900 pivot. I threw Riverside at... Matt and Bill. 00:21:33.220 --> 00:21:36.599 And that was able to work. But as we were just 00:21:36.599 --> 00:21:39.220 saying, just like the bandwidth capabilities 00:21:39.220 --> 00:21:42.680 of the technology wasn't exactly what we wanted. 00:21:43.039 --> 00:21:47.500 So our interview with Bill Rubain is extremely 00:21:47.500 --> 00:21:50.559 truncated. I've salvaged what I could in the 00:21:50.559 --> 00:21:54.039 editing room. I've bumped up the audio as much 00:21:54.039 --> 00:21:57.759 as I can. So listeners, just be forgiving, but 00:21:57.759 --> 00:22:01.700 know that Bill. as a sweetheart. And we really, 00:22:01.740 --> 00:22:04.359 really did get some great insight out of him. 00:22:05.000 --> 00:22:09.720 Unfortunately, here's the last bit of news. Unfortunately, 00:22:10.000 --> 00:22:13.680 the recording on Riverside literally only got 00:22:13.680 --> 00:22:20.200 12 % of his audio. So there is 88 % of his audio 00:22:20.200 --> 00:22:23.259 that we did not pick up. Lost to time, which 00:22:23.259 --> 00:22:26.400 is sad. But what we do have is great. And Matt, 00:22:26.500 --> 00:22:27.920 you and I are going to fill in a little bit. 00:22:28.349 --> 00:22:39.329 what that conversation was. Yeah, totally. Hi, 00:22:45.069 --> 00:22:48.529 Bill. This is Vincent Hannum with the Camp Kaiju 00:22:48.529 --> 00:22:57.089 podcast. Good. Yeah. Oh, sure. Yeah. No, we're 00:22:57.089 --> 00:22:58.970 getting it ourselves here in the Twin Cities. 00:22:59.970 --> 00:23:03.130 Is now still a good time for you to chat about 00:23:03.130 --> 00:23:07.950 the movie? Definitely. Yes, absolutely. I'll 00:23:07.950 --> 00:23:12.029 be online with the Zoom link. Okay. Yeah, take 00:23:12.029 --> 00:23:14.170 your time, sir. I'll be here waiting for you. 00:23:14.990 --> 00:23:17.670 I totally understand. Yeah. All right. Thank 00:23:17.670 --> 00:23:22.849 you, sir. You got it. Bye -bye. Bill's getting 00:23:22.849 --> 00:23:25.430 a heavy snowstorm. He's on the North Shore of 00:23:25.430 --> 00:23:30.890 Wisconsin, and he is bringing in outdoor furniture 00:23:30.890 --> 00:23:36.289 right now. Oh, okay. You know, that's cool. We're 00:23:36.289 --> 00:23:38.549 supposed to get snow here, too, so I understand 00:23:38.549 --> 00:23:41.990 that. Yep, but he said he'll be on in five minutes. 00:23:42.250 --> 00:23:45.390 Okay, cool. Just to get one more chair in. Thank 00:23:45.390 --> 00:23:49.109 you, man, for doing this with me. Yeah, no problem. 00:23:50.210 --> 00:23:53.480 Hope he's able to join. yeah yeah we'll get it 00:23:53.480 --> 00:23:57.539 we'll get it yeah i mean it's exciting but you 00:23:57.539 --> 00:24:01.440 know talking to a like legitimate filmmaker here 00:24:01.440 --> 00:24:15.680 yeah yeah for sure hi bill i just sent you the 00:24:15.680 --> 00:24:22.250 email link okay here's what i will Do I have 00:24:22.250 --> 00:24:26.170 a plan B, but I'll need to just send you another 00:24:26.170 --> 00:24:28.930 link and I'll give you a call back in about five 00:24:28.930 --> 00:24:33.549 minutes. Is that OK? OK, OK. Thank you, sir. 00:24:33.710 --> 00:25:28.140 I'll be in touch. OK, thank you. I think we've 00:25:28.140 --> 00:25:33.980 got you. Yes. We did it. All right. Thank you, 00:25:33.980 --> 00:25:36.259 sir. I'll hang up the phone and talk to you on 00:25:36.259 --> 00:25:38.839 the computer. All right. Hey, we're here. We're 00:25:38.839 --> 00:25:45.240 met. We'll make it work. Yeah, I wish. You know, 00:25:45.259 --> 00:25:48.480 getting old sucks. Getting old sucks big time. 00:25:49.720 --> 00:25:53.059 You make it look good. I mean, you're on your 00:25:53.059 --> 00:25:55.839 feet all the time. I was watching. clips of you 00:25:55.839 --> 00:25:59.680 on the news just a month ago. You're running 00:25:59.680 --> 00:26:03.559 this new restoration of the giant spider invasion. 00:26:06.400 --> 00:26:13.680 Oh yeah. What a nightmare that was. Could you 00:26:13.680 --> 00:26:16.200 talk a little bit about how the last year has 00:26:16.200 --> 00:26:22.619 been with this new project? Yeah. It's been pretty 00:26:22.619 --> 00:26:28.200 strange. And you know I sold the negative in 00:26:28.200 --> 00:26:35.759 the original picture to a friend in La La Land. 00:26:37.180 --> 00:26:40.759 And at that time I was already either working 00:26:40.759 --> 00:26:44.220 on the 50th anniversary version, so I made a 00:26:44.220 --> 00:26:49.859 deal with the owner. I have three other copyrights 00:26:49.859 --> 00:26:53.220 on the picture, by the way, for the retrospective. 00:26:53.279 --> 00:26:57.240 the 30th anniversary cut, and now the 50th anniversary. 00:27:00.779 --> 00:27:08.339 So I have a lot of materials, but I've filmed 00:27:08.339 --> 00:27:13.160 Jeffrey Epstein in Hollywood. I think it's real 00:27:13.160 --> 00:27:16.720 pain to cut a deal where we'll join forces and 00:27:16.720 --> 00:27:34.140 find to, he has the remake. I mean, congratulations 00:27:34.140 --> 00:27:37.920 on the new footage and the re -release. It's 00:27:37.920 --> 00:27:40.460 such good news that it's going to receive a wider 00:27:40.460 --> 00:27:43.119 audience and a new generation of people to love 00:27:43.119 --> 00:27:46.059 the movie. It's great news. But Bill, Mr. Rubain, 00:27:46.279 --> 00:27:49.920 we'll let you go. We got snow here. I've got 00:27:49.920 --> 00:27:53.569 furniture. I know I should have brought in out 00:27:53.569 --> 00:27:58.250 in the back. But with that said, if you want 00:27:58.250 --> 00:28:01.490 to come back at all and just shoot the breeze 00:28:01.490 --> 00:28:05.670 about your movies or other movies, we don't have 00:28:05.670 --> 00:28:09.289 to talk shop all the time, but we value your 00:28:09.289 --> 00:28:13.869 time and your insights and would just love to 00:28:13.869 --> 00:28:15.950 continue the conversation another time if you're 00:28:15.950 --> 00:28:36.710 open to that. Go, go to this theater to see the 00:28:36.710 --> 00:28:39.369 science fiction picture to end all science fiction 00:28:39.369 --> 00:28:42.950 pictures. Did he or didn't he? Is he a monster 00:28:42.950 --> 00:28:46.289 or isn't he? Only his space agency knows for 00:28:46.289 --> 00:28:49.240 sure, and they won't tell. When the capsule comes 00:28:49.240 --> 00:28:52.279 down without the astronaut, everyone is on the 00:28:52.279 --> 00:28:56.160 go, including who or what did come down. Monster, 00:28:56.279 --> 00:28:59.200 a go -go. Here's the picture that grabs the screen 00:28:59.200 --> 00:29:01.480 and shakes it. The picture that makes you wonder 00:29:01.480 --> 00:29:03.700 if the Earth is coming to an end right in the 00:29:03.700 --> 00:29:06.259 theater in front of you. Never in your life have 00:29:06.259 --> 00:29:09.460 you seen such a combination of happy, sad, good, 00:29:09.559 --> 00:29:12.420 bad, rock 'em, sock 'em action. When you walk 00:29:12.420 --> 00:29:14.980 out, you wonder what you've seen because never 00:29:14.980 --> 00:29:18.299 has there been a motion picture like this. Monster 00:29:18.299 --> 00:29:21.400 a -go -go, with a genuine 10 -foot tall monster 00:29:21.400 --> 00:29:24.599 to give you the whim -whams. Monster a -go -go, 00:29:24.720 --> 00:29:27.180 with astronauts and space capsules and pretty 00:29:27.180 --> 00:29:30.000 girls, and cosmic radiation and pretty girls, 00:29:30.180 --> 00:29:32.900 and screams and pretty girls. There's something 00:29:32.900 --> 00:29:35.140 for everyone in the picture they're all talking 00:29:35.140 --> 00:29:38.960 about. The picture with go. Monster a -go -go. 00:29:54.440 --> 00:29:55.980 and they have claimed the lives of some five 00:29:55.980 --> 00:29:58.980 thousand people. Scientists and medical experts 00:29:58.980 --> 00:30:00.880 from all over the globe have not been able to 00:30:00.880 --> 00:30:03.579 diagnose the disease and they are unable to get 00:30:03.579 --> 00:30:18.019 within 100 miles of the affected area. Deadly 00:30:18.019 --> 00:30:21.079 disease. Strengths, disappearances, and panic 00:30:21.079 --> 00:30:24.400 in the streets. Has the world gone mad? Or is 00:30:24.400 --> 00:30:57.509 it extraterrestrial beings? Like that. A motion 00:30:57.509 --> 00:31:00.230 picture to penetrate the inner boundaries of 00:31:00.230 --> 00:31:09.470 your mind. The Alpha Incident. I've never seen 00:31:09.470 --> 00:31:12.269 anything like this before. That's a reasonable 00:31:12.269 --> 00:31:17.390 remark. Cut the crap, Jim. We've got final clearance 00:31:17.390 --> 00:31:21.609 on this stage of the project. You, me, and Fielder. 00:31:22.710 --> 00:31:27.920 Does he know? No. Where is he? He's getting the 00:31:27.920 --> 00:31:32.079 animals ready. Alpha 795. A frightening story 00:31:32.079 --> 00:31:35.299 of four men and one woman caught in the nightmare 00:31:35.299 --> 00:31:38.160 of secrecy, forced to face their own worst fears. 00:31:38.799 --> 00:31:41.000 If you had any sense, you'd be fast asleep. The 00:31:41.000 --> 00:31:43.299 Alpha Incident. Why did you get around those 00:31:43.299 --> 00:31:45.299 lasers? You know, I was falling for the intellectual 00:31:45.299 --> 00:31:50.619 type. What the hell happened here? The Alpha 00:31:50.619 --> 00:31:58.339 Incident. God, the shock to the system must be 00:31:58.339 --> 00:32:08.319 unbearable. Mama. Mama! The Alpha Incident. The 00:32:08.319 --> 00:32:11.059 only time I stay in one spot this long is when 00:32:11.059 --> 00:32:13.400 I'm in bed with a chick or when I'm just sleeping. 00:32:13.960 --> 00:32:18.619 The Alpha Incident. A most unusual science fiction 00:32:18.619 --> 00:32:32.549 thriller. That wasn't a wild animal out there. 00:32:32.750 --> 00:32:37.390 We can't fall asleep. If we do, we die. Where 00:32:37.390 --> 00:32:40.589 does science fiction end and science fact begin? 00:32:40.950 --> 00:32:46.609 You will never know until you see The Alpha Incident. 00:32:47.250 --> 00:32:50.869 Only a handful of people knew the truth. And 00:32:50.869 --> 00:32:57.349 there was only one ultimate solution. The Alpha 00:32:57.349 --> 00:33:02.160 Incident. A drama so horribly close to the truth, 00:33:02.339 --> 00:33:09.559 it will blow your mind. What a guy. What a gentleman. 00:33:10.339 --> 00:33:14.880 First of all, how impressive it is that he made 00:33:14.880 --> 00:33:17.599 all these low -budget movies just out of sheer 00:33:17.599 --> 00:33:20.440 love for the art form and having fun with it, 00:33:20.480 --> 00:33:23.119 like you said, and just being creative, and it's 00:33:23.119 --> 00:33:25.420 still going strong. It's all amazing. So cool. 00:33:26.079 --> 00:33:27.940 So where do we begin? I mean, I'm assuming... 00:33:28.650 --> 00:33:31.509 The 12 % is the beginning. Bill was talking about 00:33:31.509 --> 00:33:35.769 the restoration efforts he's been leading. Did 00:33:35.769 --> 00:33:39.400 you pick up much on that? Little bit. I, you 00:33:39.400 --> 00:33:41.299 know, I'm excited to see when new stuff has been 00:33:41.299 --> 00:33:43.240 added. He didn't really talk about that too much, 00:33:43.299 --> 00:33:45.579 but he said that they'll have some kind of like 00:33:45.579 --> 00:33:47.599 sneak preview screenings coming up in Wisconsin. 00:33:48.180 --> 00:33:51.099 Hopefully more theatrical screenings later in 00:33:51.099 --> 00:33:54.960 2026 and, you know, streaming in Blu -ray sometime 00:33:54.960 --> 00:33:57.299 thereafter. So not a lot of specific information, 00:33:57.299 --> 00:34:01.259 but more on the horizon, you know? Yeah. And 00:34:01.259 --> 00:34:05.220 Bill is, he lives and is based in Northern Wisconsin. 00:34:06.759 --> 00:34:10.780 And he was talking about getting the film screened 00:34:10.780 --> 00:34:14.599 in local theaters around that neck of the woods, 00:34:14.780 --> 00:34:17.599 including Duluth, Minnesota. So all of our Minnesota 00:34:17.599 --> 00:34:20.340 listeners, all of our Midwest listeners, you 00:34:20.340 --> 00:34:23.099 all in Chicago, especially, you're within driving 00:34:23.099 --> 00:34:26.679 distance. And Matt, you know, northern Wisconsin 00:34:26.679 --> 00:34:29.780 is beautiful on the shores of Lake Superior, 00:34:30.219 --> 00:34:34.039 very woodsy. Yeah, totally. I think he was saying 00:34:34.039 --> 00:34:35.840 that one of the screenings might be in Minocqua. 00:34:36.329 --> 00:34:38.849 Or maybe he was talking about the shooting of 00:34:38.849 --> 00:34:40.630 the movie was around Minocqua. But either way, 00:34:40.670 --> 00:34:42.750 Minocqua is a very, very beautiful town. Yeah, 00:34:42.769 --> 00:34:46.750 I love that area of the country. So it's exciting, 00:34:46.869 --> 00:34:49.369 though. Like I do, I think on December 13th, 00:34:49.369 --> 00:34:51.730 he mentioned there is going to be a showing. 00:34:51.969 --> 00:34:55.170 I'll have those links in the show notes. But 00:34:55.170 --> 00:34:58.010 I'm serious. I mean, if it lines up, if I have 00:34:58.010 --> 00:35:00.750 a weekend, I'll drive up. I'd love to meet the 00:35:00.750 --> 00:35:04.519 guy in person. Yeah, definitely. What did we 00:35:04.519 --> 00:35:07.599 ask him? We asked him about the casting of the 00:35:07.599 --> 00:35:10.480 movie. I was very interested in that. This is 00:35:10.480 --> 00:35:12.880 a strong, you know, if we're talking good, bad, 00:35:12.880 --> 00:35:15.360 and the campy, one of my good elements with this 00:35:15.360 --> 00:35:18.940 film is the cast of the picture, the veteran 00:35:18.940 --> 00:35:22.440 casts. A lot of TV actors supporting roles in 00:35:22.440 --> 00:35:26.699 Hollywood, but long careers. Bill talked about 00:35:26.699 --> 00:35:29.519 his friendship with Steve Brody, who plays Dr. 00:35:29.679 --> 00:35:32.750 Vance, the NASA scientist. called in to investigate 00:35:32.750 --> 00:35:37.530 the goings -on. Opposite him is Barbara Hale 00:35:37.530 --> 00:35:42.269 as Dr. Langer, the local physicist. And what 00:35:42.269 --> 00:35:44.530 I mentioned to Bill, what I had to commend him 00:35:44.530 --> 00:35:48.090 on was the chemistry of those two actors. And 00:35:48.090 --> 00:35:52.130 Robert Eastman, who wrote the script, but Robert 00:35:52.130 --> 00:35:56.570 Eastman plays the philandering alcoholic redneck 00:35:56.570 --> 00:36:02.699 who adds a lot of camp to the film. But you wouldn't 00:36:02.699 --> 00:36:06.099 know it. Robert Eastman is a noted dialect coach 00:36:06.099 --> 00:36:11.960 and longtime veteran actor in Hollywood. So there 00:36:11.960 --> 00:36:15.820 are some names in the cast. Yeah, and I'm not 00:36:15.820 --> 00:36:18.059 sure if you mentioned Alan Hale of Gilligan's 00:36:18.059 --> 00:36:21.059 Island fame, who's also in the movie as the maybe 00:36:21.059 --> 00:36:23.880 lovable, maybe not lovable, sort of like boisterous 00:36:23.880 --> 00:36:27.480 sheriff of the town. Yeah, I asked Bill about 00:36:27.480 --> 00:36:30.340 Alan Hale. Because I had read, and this is what's 00:36:30.340 --> 00:36:32.920 so great, I mean, what a treat to get the actual 00:36:32.920 --> 00:36:35.579 director and producer of the film on Camp Kaiju. 00:36:35.619 --> 00:36:38.659 Because you and I, we read our notes and resources, 00:36:39.019 --> 00:36:42.380 but sometimes apparently they differ from the 00:36:42.380 --> 00:36:45.440 real experiences. So I had read that Alan Hale 00:36:45.440 --> 00:36:49.579 improvised a lot of his lines. For example, towards 00:36:49.579 --> 00:36:52.000 the end of the film, when the spider's running 00:36:52.000 --> 00:36:57.090 rampant in the city, he... He makes a Jaws reference 00:36:57.090 --> 00:36:59.409 as the sheriff. He's like, that spider is as 00:36:59.409 --> 00:37:06.489 big as Jaws. Yeah. And this, so this came out 00:37:06.489 --> 00:37:09.329 in 1975, right? Which was the same year as Jaws. 00:37:09.369 --> 00:37:12.730 So that was a very timely reference. Yeah. So 00:37:12.730 --> 00:37:15.230 anyways, I'm sure that was improvised. But I 00:37:15.230 --> 00:37:18.030 asked Bill Rubain, you know, did Alan Hale improvise 00:37:18.030 --> 00:37:20.969 a lot of his lines? And Bill said no. Alan was 00:37:20.969 --> 00:37:25.119 a professional. Now, Bill did crack a joke saying 00:37:25.119 --> 00:37:27.840 that the script, there was hardly a script at 00:37:27.840 --> 00:37:29.760 all. Like, they didn't really finish one, which 00:37:29.760 --> 00:37:35.119 I had read anecdotally. A lot of collaboration 00:37:35.119 --> 00:37:39.480 with the actors on the script. And Bill did talk 00:37:39.480 --> 00:37:43.519 about Robert Eastman in particular having ideas 00:37:43.519 --> 00:37:48.280 of camp to bring a more campy vibe to the picture. 00:37:50.019 --> 00:37:52.940 Yeah. Which is kind of strange because like, 00:37:53.119 --> 00:37:55.420 you know, we were talking about this a little 00:37:55.420 --> 00:37:57.039 bit at the beginning of the episode or like before 00:37:57.039 --> 00:37:59.679 maybe before we started recording. But, you know, 00:37:59.679 --> 00:38:01.920 it's campy and also like a little bit sad at 00:38:01.920 --> 00:38:04.039 times. Like there's alcoholism. There's like, 00:38:04.039 --> 00:38:06.079 you know, there's a brief reference to like a 00:38:06.079 --> 00:38:08.559 baby that died and like a couple sort of having 00:38:08.559 --> 00:38:10.900 marital strife after that. So, yeah, it's strange. 00:38:11.019 --> 00:38:14.619 It's it's campy and it's kind of sad and bleak 00:38:14.619 --> 00:38:16.679 at the same time, at least in certain moments, 00:38:16.760 --> 00:38:20.559 you know? Yeah. But sorry, just on the casting 00:38:20.559 --> 00:38:22.780 note, I wanted to ask about I asked Bill about 00:38:22.780 --> 00:38:25.000 the extras in the movie, too, because one of 00:38:25.000 --> 00:38:28.320 my favorite things about it is just you like. 00:38:28.920 --> 00:38:31.599 You feel that the supporting characters, like 00:38:31.599 --> 00:38:34.980 the townspeople, were just walking on the streets 00:38:34.980 --> 00:38:37.300 of small town Wisconsin and walked into this 00:38:37.300 --> 00:38:39.360 movie. And that's one of my favorite things about 00:38:39.360 --> 00:38:43.340 it. There's a scene where a bunch of guys who 00:38:43.340 --> 00:38:46.519 were just drinking at the bar get their shotguns 00:38:46.519 --> 00:38:48.599 and they're ready to go kill the spider. Similar 00:38:48.599 --> 00:38:51.440 to a scene in Jaws, I guess. And just the people 00:38:51.440 --> 00:38:53.599 in that scene, they have so much character and 00:38:53.599 --> 00:38:56.199 personality. I love the kind of like the background 00:38:56.199 --> 00:38:58.460 flavor. And I feel like you would know that this 00:38:58.460 --> 00:39:01.579 was shot in a small town somewhere, if not specifically 00:39:01.579 --> 00:39:03.400 Wisconsin, even without knowing that backstory, 00:39:03.539 --> 00:39:06.780 you know? I do. And I love that aspect. And I 00:39:06.780 --> 00:39:10.780 mean, Bill's the real deal. He's just a Midwest 00:39:10.780 --> 00:39:15.380 guy. Listeners, he was smoking a cigar, multiple 00:39:15.380 --> 00:39:17.980 cigars when we were talking to him. He was talking 00:39:17.980 --> 00:39:20.300 about driving through the snow during a blizzard. 00:39:21.179 --> 00:39:24.949 It's like, if you live in this area, you know 00:39:24.949 --> 00:39:28.769 what it's like to drive 25 miles an hour to get 00:39:28.769 --> 00:39:31.050 to a destination. And it takes three hours to 00:39:31.050 --> 00:39:34.829 get there because the snow is sideways and nobody's 00:39:34.829 --> 00:39:37.469 plowed the roads. I've been there. It's awful. 00:39:38.590 --> 00:39:41.449 Yeah. Yeah. He's a true Midwesterner. And it 00:39:41.449 --> 00:39:44.030 was cool to hear him talk about, he didn't talk 00:39:44.030 --> 00:39:46.369 a lot about his origins in Chicago, but that's, 00:39:46.369 --> 00:39:48.309 I think where he and his family moved at a very 00:39:48.309 --> 00:39:49.829 young age. And then he kind of like made his 00:39:49.829 --> 00:39:51.869 way up to Wisconsin from there. So it was kind 00:39:51.869 --> 00:39:55.130 of cool to hear about that backstory. Yeah. Yeah. 00:39:55.190 --> 00:39:59.670 Very easy to talk to. Very down to earth. He 00:39:59.670 --> 00:40:01.690 said, I don't know if this is kept in the 12 00:40:01.690 --> 00:40:05.170 % we got, but I asked him sort of tongue in cheek, 00:40:05.389 --> 00:40:07.309 you know, what's more brutal driving in that 00:40:07.309 --> 00:40:11.489 blizzard or making any of his movies, which I 00:40:11.489 --> 00:40:13.869 didn't mean as a knock. And I don't think he 00:40:13.869 --> 00:40:16.449 took it that way, but he could naturedly said, 00:40:16.670 --> 00:40:21.139 you know, he. The number one thing he kept in 00:40:21.139 --> 00:40:23.159 mind when making movies was to always have fun, 00:40:23.300 --> 00:40:27.460 which I appreciate. So if anything, I think his 00:40:27.460 --> 00:40:31.000 movies do have a sense of fun if you get to see 00:40:31.000 --> 00:40:34.599 other ones. Yeah, sadly, Giant Spider Invasion 00:40:34.599 --> 00:40:36.539 is the only one I've seen so far. But I do think 00:40:36.539 --> 00:40:38.420 there is a sense of fun involved, even if some 00:40:38.420 --> 00:40:40.920 elements are surprisingly a little bit downbeat 00:40:40.920 --> 00:40:42.420 every once in a while. There's still like an 00:40:42.420 --> 00:40:46.019 air of, yeah, creativity, imagination, like just 00:40:46.019 --> 00:40:48.579 having a good time. You did ask him about the 00:40:48.579 --> 00:40:52.820 spiders. Yeah. Yeah. So, well, there's a lot 00:40:52.820 --> 00:40:56.480 to say about both the real animal spiders, actual 00:40:56.480 --> 00:40:58.340 tarantulas that were used in the filming of the 00:40:58.340 --> 00:41:02.400 movie, and then the titular giant spider of the 00:41:02.400 --> 00:41:05.320 movie. But yeah, I asked him about the real live 00:41:05.320 --> 00:41:07.159 tarantulas, because there are a lot of them that 00:41:07.159 --> 00:41:10.820 are seen in the movie. And I mentioned this briefly 00:41:10.820 --> 00:41:12.840 earlier, but I am actually scared of spiders. 00:41:12.900 --> 00:41:14.880 So some of those scenes were a little bit hard 00:41:14.880 --> 00:41:18.699 to watch. You know, I missed some of what he 00:41:18.699 --> 00:41:20.940 said, but I think he was saying that like, you 00:41:20.940 --> 00:41:23.519 know, his friend loved tarantulas and like they 00:41:23.519 --> 00:41:25.679 were kept in Bill's basement like during the 00:41:25.679 --> 00:41:27.199 making of the movie, which he didn't enjoy very 00:41:27.199 --> 00:41:30.739 much. But yeah, I mean, I like that element and 00:41:30.739 --> 00:41:32.780 he didn't really talk too much about like how 00:41:32.780 --> 00:41:35.280 difficult they were to work with. But I assume 00:41:35.280 --> 00:41:38.460 his friend who was like a lover of spiders and 00:41:38.460 --> 00:41:40.500 a spider handler kind of took care of that element. 00:41:41.280 --> 00:41:46.329 Yeah, that was the special effects. The man behind 00:41:46.329 --> 00:41:48.730 the special effects on the movie. Yeah. Friends 00:41:48.730 --> 00:41:51.530 with Bill. Let me see if I can find that name 00:41:51.530 --> 00:41:55.750 and pull it up. Is it Bob Millay? Yes. Millay. 00:41:56.469 --> 00:42:01.250 Yep. Yep. It's pretty good. I do, too. I mean, 00:42:01.250 --> 00:42:03.769 there are and we didn't talk to Bill about this, 00:42:03.849 --> 00:42:06.750 but well, I did mention to him again, a genuine 00:42:06.750 --> 00:42:10.769 general praise that I have for was is the giant 00:42:10.769 --> 00:42:14.940 spider itself. He Bob Millay. rigged this thing 00:42:14.940 --> 00:42:19.260 up to a Volkswagen Beetle. And Bill did talk 00:42:19.260 --> 00:42:23.900 about, you know, he was working with the executive 00:42:23.900 --> 00:42:27.360 producer. What was the name? I forget the names, 00:42:27.420 --> 00:42:31.739 but this guy came to Bill to make a movie about 00:42:31.739 --> 00:42:36.199 a spider. And the guy told Bill, we need it bigger, 00:42:36.380 --> 00:42:39.679 bigger, bigger, bigger, bigger. And Bob Millay 00:42:39.679 --> 00:42:42.619 rigged this thing up to a Volkswagen Beetle. 00:42:43.050 --> 00:42:49.070 It looks like the legs are puppet -like. So honestly, 00:42:49.190 --> 00:42:52.329 I don't know how they rigged this thing up. I 00:42:52.329 --> 00:42:54.949 don't know exactly either. From what I read online 00:42:54.949 --> 00:42:56.489 and a little bit of what he was saying in the 00:42:56.489 --> 00:42:58.889 interview, I think there were two people inside 00:42:58.889 --> 00:43:01.809 of the Beetle, the VW Beetle, who were like, 00:43:01.849 --> 00:43:03.849 like one of them was driving in and I think the 00:43:03.849 --> 00:43:07.949 other one was like operating the legs, like puppetry 00:43:07.949 --> 00:43:09.550 or animatronics or whatever you want to call 00:43:09.550 --> 00:43:11.829 it. But yeah, it must have been extremely difficult 00:43:11.829 --> 00:43:15.130 to do. Like to drive, like to do both those things 00:43:15.130 --> 00:43:19.230 at the same time, you know? Yeah. And now it's 00:43:19.230 --> 00:43:22.429 just me and you just talking as reviewers. I 00:43:22.429 --> 00:43:28.389 found the fact that the giant spider was on a 00:43:28.389 --> 00:43:33.090 car gave it a kind of fluidity, a fluid forward 00:43:33.090 --> 00:43:37.150 movement that I thought really worked. Yeah. 00:43:37.650 --> 00:43:40.130 And like it didn't look clunky. And you know 00:43:40.130 --> 00:43:44.610 what? I think the film, the spider itself, objectively 00:43:44.610 --> 00:43:48.730 is goofy looking. But I was noticing the way 00:43:48.730 --> 00:43:53.809 it was shot. Long, shot at a distance. Shot very 00:43:53.809 --> 00:43:59.190 up close. Shot from like angles. All these techniques 00:43:59.190 --> 00:44:03.530 to hide the fact that it does look goofy. You 00:44:03.530 --> 00:44:06.150 know what I mean? Yeah. I think that works especially 00:44:06.150 --> 00:44:08.559 well in the scene where the spider... arrives 00:44:08.559 --> 00:44:10.579 at a little league game and like all hell breaks 00:44:10.579 --> 00:44:12.679 loose and all the kids and the adults are like 00:44:12.679 --> 00:44:14.699 screaming of course and running away from this 00:44:14.699 --> 00:44:18.039 thing i that scene is pretty exciting and like 00:44:18.039 --> 00:44:21.079 it at least looks very striking and unique you 00:44:21.079 --> 00:44:22.659 know because we see this giant spider in the 00:44:22.659 --> 00:44:24.300 background but like you said we never get a good 00:44:24.300 --> 00:44:26.440 look at it and there's like all this chaos in 00:44:26.440 --> 00:44:29.280 the scene it works pretty well and the scene 00:44:29.280 --> 00:44:31.980 where the spider's on top of the roof of the 00:44:31.980 --> 00:44:34.360 house and it's and it's breaking in to get at 00:44:34.360 --> 00:44:38.260 the the young woman i mean that scene Again, 00:44:38.320 --> 00:44:42.300 as goofy as the crop may look, the giant spider, 00:44:42.579 --> 00:44:46.260 it's shot well. And you have the arms coming 00:44:46.260 --> 00:44:48.659 in through the walls. There's a lot of shaking 00:44:48.659 --> 00:44:52.079 happening. Dishes are falling off the furniture. 00:44:53.239 --> 00:44:56.159 I mean, I think he did as good a job as he could 00:44:56.159 --> 00:45:00.030 with the budget he was working with. Yeah. Absolutely. 00:45:00.210 --> 00:45:02.389 And Bill was saying there was a different giant 00:45:02.389 --> 00:45:05.030 spider that was used for the scenes where humans 00:45:05.030 --> 00:45:08.269 are actually eaten by the spider. And I was surprised 00:45:08.269 --> 00:45:10.650 how gory those scenes were. Like you see a human 00:45:10.650 --> 00:45:12.789 like sucked up into the spider and it's like 00:45:12.789 --> 00:45:15.789 blood pouring out everywhere. And like you see 00:45:15.789 --> 00:45:17.730 some of the corpses afterwards and they're all 00:45:17.730 --> 00:45:19.670 like mangled and they have like tooth marks in 00:45:19.670 --> 00:45:22.489 them or fang marks, I guess. It's like maybe 00:45:22.489 --> 00:45:25.389 not scary, but like definitely gross and a lot 00:45:25.389 --> 00:45:27.469 more just gruesome than I thought it would be. 00:45:28.240 --> 00:45:32.260 Which helps this movie so much when they can 00:45:32.260 --> 00:45:35.260 get a little shock value out of it. Yeah. Right. 00:45:36.599 --> 00:45:38.760 Yeah. I didn't expect people to get chewed up 00:45:38.760 --> 00:45:44.039 in the beginning. There are mutilated bodies 00:45:44.039 --> 00:45:46.360 of cattle that are strewn about, which looks 00:45:46.360 --> 00:45:49.619 like bill went to the butcher shop and purchased 00:45:49.619 --> 00:45:52.699 a bunch of meat. So it's like all very real. 00:45:52.760 --> 00:45:55.400 And I love it for that. It's got that real, like 00:45:55.400 --> 00:46:00.869 seventies. grit to the to the overall aesthetic 00:46:00.869 --> 00:46:04.690 of it right yeah that's kind of one of the reasons 00:46:04.690 --> 00:46:06.869 i feel like it's both campy and kind of like 00:46:06.869 --> 00:46:10.150 sleazy and i don't necessarily mean that in a 00:46:10.150 --> 00:46:12.650 totally negative critical way but just like yeah 00:46:12.650 --> 00:46:16.250 it's it's gritty it's like kind of unseemly or 00:46:16.250 --> 00:46:18.690 like on yeah unseemly it's a better word than 00:46:18.690 --> 00:46:21.050 unsettling but there's just like something yeah 00:46:21.050 --> 00:46:23.090 gritty is a perfect word for it include something 00:46:23.090 --> 00:46:27.800 gritty about yeah it's like low budget but taken 00:46:27.800 --> 00:46:32.099 very seriously and and and most you know mostly 00:46:32.099 --> 00:46:36.000 done really well i mean i what else do we talk 00:46:36.000 --> 00:46:38.440 to bill about we talked to him we went a little 00:46:38.440 --> 00:46:41.039 off tangent and are on a tangent and talked to 00:46:41.039 --> 00:46:44.059 him about like his favorite movies he's a fan 00:46:44.059 --> 00:46:48.099 of the producers the mel brooks film uh which 00:46:48.099 --> 00:46:53.519 i love yeah and musicals also which was cool 00:46:53.519 --> 00:46:56.590 cool to hear donald o 'connor in particular Yep, 00:46:56.670 --> 00:46:59.690 I asked him, are you Fred Astaire or a Gene Kelly 00:46:59.690 --> 00:47:03.690 fan? And he said Donald O 'Connor. I love that. 00:47:03.769 --> 00:47:07.010 Yeah, unexpected. He worked with Donald O 'Connor, 00:47:07.130 --> 00:47:10.409 he mentioned. I heard that, but I couldn't quite 00:47:10.409 --> 00:47:13.610 hear what movie that was. Were you able to hear 00:47:13.610 --> 00:47:19.590 that? Yep, Miracle in the Manger. Does not sound 00:47:19.590 --> 00:47:22.789 like a horror movie. No, Bill said he was not 00:47:22.789 --> 00:47:26.510 initially drawn to horror films. That was not 00:47:26.510 --> 00:47:31.230 his favorite genre, you know, but for what it's 00:47:31.230 --> 00:47:35.170 worth, that's where he's made his legacy. I was 00:47:35.170 --> 00:47:38.409 going to ask him what made him go in that direction, 00:47:38.469 --> 00:47:41.610 like sci -fi and horror. And, you know, like 00:47:41.610 --> 00:47:43.110 you said, Vincent, we were kind of having some 00:47:43.110 --> 00:47:45.409 recording issues and kind of didn't really get 00:47:45.409 --> 00:47:47.849 to that question, but I'd be curious about that. 00:47:47.949 --> 00:47:49.690 Like, was it just like a budget issue? Was it 00:47:49.690 --> 00:47:52.050 like, that's what they could make on a low budget, 00:47:52.090 --> 00:47:54.170 but still make a lot of money off of it? Or was 00:47:54.170 --> 00:47:58.150 it, you know? Were there other reasons for it? 00:47:58.190 --> 00:47:59.750 I'd be curious to know that, but we didn't really 00:47:59.750 --> 00:48:03.170 get a chance to ask him that. Yeah, same. But 00:48:03.170 --> 00:48:04.809 it sounds like he's had a long, varied career. 00:48:05.230 --> 00:48:09.070 Yeah. But clearly most known for his horror movies. 00:48:09.909 --> 00:48:12.750 So there's a box set called Weird Wisconsin from 00:48:12.750 --> 00:48:16.210 Arrow Video with a number of his films. Monster 00:48:16.210 --> 00:48:19.710 Go -Go, Invasion from Inner Earth, Twister's 00:48:19.710 --> 00:48:22.150 Revenge, which is apparently about a killer truck 00:48:22.150 --> 00:48:26.059 that comes to life. all this stuff that we love, 00:48:26.199 --> 00:48:30.199 but I brought it up and he made us laugh. Cause 00:48:30.199 --> 00:48:35.139 he said, I'm not going to talk about that. I 00:48:35.139 --> 00:48:37.119 couldn't tell if there was a sore spot for him 00:48:37.119 --> 00:48:39.119 or if he was just like done with the interview, 00:48:39.260 --> 00:48:45.940 you know, it was hard to sell. So you've seen 00:48:45.940 --> 00:48:47.559 a couple of movies from that box set, right? 00:48:47.659 --> 00:48:50.179 Or just one, maybe just one invasion from inner 00:48:50.179 --> 00:48:53.619 earth. Great title. The movie starts off very 00:48:53.619 --> 00:48:58.000 strong. Shot on his, so he bought this property 00:48:58.000 --> 00:49:00.800 out in Wisconsin. He dubbed it the shooting ranch. 00:49:01.440 --> 00:49:03.719 Not at first, he said it was like the funny farm, 00:49:03.860 --> 00:49:07.280 Green Acres. He's a big Green Acres fan, we've 00:49:07.280 --> 00:49:10.880 learned. But yeah, so he shot a number of his 00:49:10.880 --> 00:49:16.300 movies there on the ranch. An Invasion from Inner 00:49:16.300 --> 00:49:20.460 Earth is about a group of young people. shacked 00:49:20.460 --> 00:49:24.780 up in a cabin during a snowstorm but there are 00:49:24.780 --> 00:49:28.139 aliens that have apparently invaded unclear if 00:49:28.139 --> 00:49:30.099 it's from inside the earth or outside the earth 00:49:30.099 --> 00:49:35.000 but there's like a mass hysteria like the the 00:49:35.000 --> 00:49:38.079 aliens have infected the the greater population 00:49:38.079 --> 00:49:41.579 i mean there's not much more to the plot than 00:49:41.579 --> 00:49:44.920 that but to me it's it struck me as a combination 00:49:44.920 --> 00:49:49.750 of night of the living dead With the unexplained 00:49:49.750 --> 00:49:54.949 mass hysteria and people turning into zombies, 00:49:55.050 --> 00:49:58.389 if you will, meets the thing from another world 00:49:58.389 --> 00:50:02.829 because you have this small party of people snowbound 00:50:02.829 --> 00:50:07.449 in a cabin. So it's like a great concept. It 00:50:07.449 --> 00:50:11.869 doesn't totally keep you on the edge of your 00:50:11.869 --> 00:50:15.369 toes to the end. But it's a strong start, like 00:50:15.369 --> 00:50:18.629 a really strong first third of the picture. Yeah, 00:50:18.629 --> 00:50:22.429 you can find it for free if you're curious. I 00:50:22.429 --> 00:50:24.869 am. Yeah, I would love to watch it. Sounds a 00:50:24.869 --> 00:50:26.969 little bit like The Evil Dead maybe, but maybe 00:50:26.969 --> 00:50:28.570 that's just like where my mind is going, you 00:50:28.570 --> 00:50:32.670 know? Yeah, I mean, Evil Dead. Can we get Sam 00:50:32.670 --> 00:50:36.730 Raimi on this podcast? Well, that might take 00:50:36.730 --> 00:50:38.449 a little, you know, that might take some work, 00:50:38.530 --> 00:50:41.349 but we'll see, possibly. But yeah, I do want 00:50:41.349 --> 00:50:43.010 to see more of his movies. Twister's Revenge 00:50:43.010 --> 00:50:44.789 sounds kind of cool. I hope it's better than 00:50:44.789 --> 00:50:48.659 Killdozer though. I hope so. It's from 1988. 00:50:48.980 --> 00:50:51.820 So I think it, it might. And so it's post spider 00:50:51.820 --> 00:50:55.739 invasion. And, you know, honestly, spider invasion 00:50:55.739 --> 00:50:58.719 bait. Cause I, cause I was watching invasion 00:50:58.719 --> 00:51:00.360 from an earth, which came out the year before. 00:51:00.380 --> 00:51:04.159 And it's so low budget that honestly, I was surprised 00:51:04.159 --> 00:51:07.800 at how high budget in giant spider invasion was. 00:51:08.519 --> 00:51:13.239 So I'm hoping anything post that film kind of 00:51:13.239 --> 00:51:16.360 continues on a little bit of more polished track. 00:51:16.900 --> 00:51:21.659 Yeah. It helps as a viewer sometimes. Yeah. Yeah, 00:51:21.719 --> 00:51:26.239 for sure. Yeah. What else do we talk about or 00:51:26.239 --> 00:51:28.739 anything else that we, that we want to talk about? 00:51:29.639 --> 00:51:32.039 I mean, I liked some of the other special effects 00:51:32.039 --> 00:51:34.159 in the movie too. Like the opening credits are 00:51:34.159 --> 00:51:37.179 against a shot of like the cosmos, like the night 00:51:37.179 --> 00:51:39.440 sky or whatever. And then you see like the, the 00:51:39.440 --> 00:51:42.360 meteor, I like streaking through the sky. That 00:51:42.360 --> 00:51:44.980 was a cool way to open the movie. Yeah. Okay. 00:51:45.059 --> 00:51:47.409 That reminds me, I think. what Bill was talking 00:51:47.409 --> 00:51:51.030 about at the end was this new footage. I think 00:51:51.030 --> 00:51:57.289 he's trying to, to bring out the, the alien connection 00:51:57.289 --> 00:52:01.250 a little bit more because we know that the spiders 00:52:01.250 --> 00:52:05.050 came from outer space from a black hole, but 00:52:05.050 --> 00:52:08.429 beyond the initial meteor crash, like there's 00:52:08.429 --> 00:52:11.070 nothing to do with, there's nothing that happens 00:52:11.070 --> 00:52:15.210 with extraterrestrials or anything. Right. That's 00:52:15.210 --> 00:52:17.449 cool. I hope the new footage kind of goes more 00:52:17.449 --> 00:52:19.070 into that because I like that element of it. 00:52:19.469 --> 00:52:21.110 There's one kind of cool moment where there's 00:52:21.110 --> 00:52:24.489 like a helicopter hovering over the crater where 00:52:24.489 --> 00:52:26.949 like the spiders come out of. And it looks kind 00:52:26.949 --> 00:52:29.429 of blurry and weird. And I couldn't totally tell, 00:52:29.510 --> 00:52:31.250 but I feel like the guy on the chopper was like, 00:52:31.329 --> 00:52:33.989 you know, it's like a black hole. I can't tell 00:52:33.989 --> 00:52:35.489 what's going on down there. And I was like, oh, 00:52:35.510 --> 00:52:37.829 that's a cool idea. I like that. So maybe they'll 00:52:37.829 --> 00:52:39.489 go more into that in the new footage. That would 00:52:39.489 --> 00:52:44.440 be interesting. I'd like to see that. Yeah. I 00:52:44.440 --> 00:52:47.500 liked. Yeah, let's do like a quick breakdown. 00:52:48.519 --> 00:52:50.840 Oh, there was actually one jump scare that got 00:52:50.840 --> 00:52:55.239 me. It was the the alcoholic wife. I think her 00:52:55.239 --> 00:52:58.719 name was Evie. She's in bed in her bedroom and 00:52:58.719 --> 00:53:01.579 she's these tarantulas are everywhere like these 00:53:01.579 --> 00:53:05.760 live tarantulas. And this is where it gets kind 00:53:05.760 --> 00:53:08.119 of sad because her husband thinks she's seeing 00:53:08.119 --> 00:53:11.840 pink elephants. You know, the. The DTs, when 00:53:11.840 --> 00:53:14.300 you're an extreme alcoholic, you start to envision 00:53:14.300 --> 00:53:17.679 nightmare things. And she's seeing these tarantulas. 00:53:18.559 --> 00:53:22.000 Anyways, she wakes up. The scene is very calm. 00:53:22.500 --> 00:53:25.639 She goes to her dresser drawer. She opens the 00:53:25.639 --> 00:53:30.280 drawer. And a giant, fuzzy puppet spider jumps 00:53:30.280 --> 00:53:34.599 out at her. As goofy as it looks, it got me a 00:53:34.599 --> 00:53:38.539 little bit. yeah agreed the suspense in that 00:53:38.539 --> 00:53:40.300 scene is actually sort of well done because you 00:53:40.300 --> 00:53:42.500 keep on thinking that she's gonna like see one 00:53:42.500 --> 00:53:44.199 of the actual tarantulas or it's gonna crawl 00:53:44.199 --> 00:53:46.380 on her or something but it's not that it's the 00:53:46.380 --> 00:53:48.760 giant like spider in the dresser you know yeah 00:53:48.760 --> 00:53:52.559 yeah it's a good gotcha moment it got me i'll 00:53:52.559 --> 00:53:57.039 say that yeah you know nothing really like i 00:53:57.039 --> 00:53:59.920 didn't hate anything in this movie sure some 00:53:59.920 --> 00:54:02.500 of the more you know the sexually exploitive 00:54:02.500 --> 00:54:06.639 moments for what it is but You know, I kind of 00:54:06.639 --> 00:54:09.059 lost the plot a little bit towards the end. Yeah. 00:54:09.239 --> 00:54:13.039 Like, was there a black hole in the area on Earth? 00:54:13.639 --> 00:54:17.920 Like, the physics escaped me. And knowing that 00:54:17.920 --> 00:54:21.460 the script was half -baked, you know, I guess 00:54:21.460 --> 00:54:23.679 that comes with the territory. Yeah, makes sense. 00:54:26.380 --> 00:54:29.679 Yeah. One good thing, if I could add a good thing 00:54:29.679 --> 00:54:31.780 real quick. You and I talked about this earlier. 00:54:31.820 --> 00:54:33.860 We didn't really ask Bill about this, but there's 00:54:33.860 --> 00:54:36.190 like this priest. character, like this preacher, 00:54:36.329 --> 00:54:38.230 preacher is a better word for it, who is like 00:54:38.230 --> 00:54:41.869 talking about sin and how like, you know, people 00:54:41.869 --> 00:54:44.429 committing sin that will like, you know, experience 00:54:44.429 --> 00:54:46.750 their comeuppance and have to atone before God 00:54:46.750 --> 00:54:48.969 and all this stuff. And that's like kind of like 00:54:48.969 --> 00:54:51.070 a through line during the movie. Like that's 00:54:51.070 --> 00:54:53.389 I like there's an early scene and a late scene 00:54:53.389 --> 00:54:55.969 featuring that preacher. And he also appears 00:54:55.969 --> 00:54:58.230 like certain moments throughout. And I don't 00:54:58.230 --> 00:55:00.170 really know exactly what that has to do with 00:55:00.170 --> 00:55:02.969 the spider storyline, but it is kind of like 00:55:02.969 --> 00:55:06.179 an interesting. structure to just have that guy 00:55:06.179 --> 00:55:08.380 reappear every once in a while. And it makes 00:55:08.380 --> 00:55:10.960 for kind of like, like just, I don't know. There 00:55:10.960 --> 00:55:12.679 are some scenes that kind of drag and get a little 00:55:12.679 --> 00:55:14.380 bit boring. And then suddenly that guy appears 00:55:14.380 --> 00:55:16.300 and he's like screaming at you. And it's like, 00:55:16.360 --> 00:55:18.599 Oh, that's like an, an effective way to like 00:55:18.599 --> 00:55:21.139 regain your interest, you know? So I like that 00:55:21.139 --> 00:55:23.739 guy. I don't, I would not like that guy in real 00:55:23.739 --> 00:55:25.920 life, but like as featured in the movie, that's 00:55:25.920 --> 00:55:29.400 a good element. I like that. Agreed. And Alan 00:55:29.400 --> 00:55:32.260 Hale, he was campy. I was saying this to Bill 00:55:32.260 --> 00:55:35.360 too, that. He seemed to just, well, Bill said 00:55:35.360 --> 00:55:38.960 that Alan was just being himself. He's kind of 00:55:38.960 --> 00:55:41.920 a good -natured sheriff, a little larger than 00:55:41.920 --> 00:55:45.380 life, kind of yucking it up. But it works for 00:55:45.380 --> 00:55:47.320 him, and he knows what he's doing. He breaks 00:55:47.320 --> 00:55:49.059 the fourth wall at one point. He looks at the 00:55:49.059 --> 00:55:57.239 camera, which I found so funny. And someone has 00:55:57.239 --> 00:56:02.179 a line. There's a campy line about... Oh, because 00:56:02.179 --> 00:56:05.679 the doctors, Dr. Langer and Dr. Vance, are trying 00:56:05.679 --> 00:56:11.639 to explain the physics to the sheriff. And Dr. 00:56:11.880 --> 00:56:15.360 Langer, Barbara Hale, she says, well, sheriff, 00:56:15.639 --> 00:56:18.460 you remember your physics, right? And he says 00:56:18.460 --> 00:56:21.960 something like, I used to take physics, but now 00:56:21.960 --> 00:56:26.179 I take prunes. Something like that. What does 00:56:26.179 --> 00:56:33.289 that even mean? yeah you know to be honest some 00:56:33.289 --> 00:56:35.650 of the sheriff stuff did grow kind of old in 00:56:35.650 --> 00:56:38.550 my opinion and i think some of those stock characters 00:56:38.550 --> 00:56:42.590 maybe i would put more in the bad category like 00:56:42.590 --> 00:56:44.949 there's some good stuff too but like the sheriff 00:56:44.949 --> 00:56:48.329 and then like you know like the young kid who's 00:56:48.329 --> 00:56:51.949 like dating the attractive sister -in -law of 00:56:51.949 --> 00:56:54.670 Evie, the alcoholic wife. That storyline gets 00:56:54.670 --> 00:56:57.969 a little bit old. And also the moment where Dr. 00:56:58.269 --> 00:57:00.510 Langer and Dr. Vance first meet each other. And 00:57:00.510 --> 00:57:03.650 Dr. Vance is surprised to see a woman in the 00:57:03.650 --> 00:57:06.610 planetarium or the research facility. And he's 00:57:06.610 --> 00:57:08.949 like, oh, Dr. Langer must be your dad or your 00:57:08.949 --> 00:57:10.809 brother or your husband. And she's like, nope, 00:57:10.869 --> 00:57:13.250 that's me. And I kind of rolled my eyes and was 00:57:13.250 --> 00:57:14.849 like, oh, of course they have to have a moment 00:57:14.849 --> 00:57:17.929 like this. So some of that gets a little bit... 00:57:18.409 --> 00:57:21.170 dull and boring but then like i said there's 00:57:21.170 --> 00:57:24.050 like you know a giant spider or some like gross 00:57:24.050 --> 00:57:25.809 weird thing that kind of like captures your interest 00:57:25.809 --> 00:57:31.829 again yeah it's it's something i i'm glad i watched 00:57:31.829 --> 00:57:35.230 it i'm glad i connected with bill yeah i'd like 00:57:35.230 --> 00:57:38.750 to make this work again at some point i don't 00:57:38.750 --> 00:57:41.769 know we'll see i hope so and maybe we'll go to 00:57:41.769 --> 00:57:44.309 a screening in person that'd be great maybe honestly 00:57:44.309 --> 00:57:49.380 i think I think in person might be the way to 00:57:49.380 --> 00:57:54.599 go with Bill. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry. He mentioned 00:57:54.599 --> 00:57:58.340 this. He wants to start like a workshop thing 00:57:58.340 --> 00:58:02.079 for Wisconsin filmmakers, which sounds amazing. 00:58:02.219 --> 00:58:03.739 I think he was saying that he wants to have that 00:58:03.739 --> 00:58:06.159 in his house, which is pretty cool and such a 00:58:06.159 --> 00:58:08.679 great idea. I wish, you know, I just wish there 00:58:08.679 --> 00:58:10.940 were more film workshops and libraries and resources 00:58:10.940 --> 00:58:13.420 just like everywhere. That'd be amazing. Yeah, 00:58:13.500 --> 00:58:18.719 definitely in touch with his community. his his 00:58:18.719 --> 00:58:21.880 state what was he saying like you're saying something 00:58:21.880 --> 00:58:24.300 about madison and or milwaukee like the film 00:58:24.300 --> 00:58:27.380 societies correct me if i'm wrong but they want 00:58:27.380 --> 00:58:31.480 to do screenings down in those cities and he'd 00:58:31.480 --> 00:58:35.920 rather do things up north yeah i think that's 00:58:35.920 --> 00:58:40.139 what he was saying yeah and maybe like My takeaway 00:58:40.139 --> 00:58:41.900 from that is just like he was saying that like 00:58:41.900 --> 00:58:44.000 that's where the film organizations are located, 00:58:44.219 --> 00:58:46.699 you know, many wishes that it was like in more 00:58:46.699 --> 00:58:50.320 remote rural northern areas. But yeah, I think 00:58:50.320 --> 00:58:53.099 he was saying that organizations in those cities 00:58:53.099 --> 00:58:55.579 want to want to screen the film as well. Yeah, 00:58:55.579 --> 00:58:58.699 there's a lot of interest for it. Deservedly 00:58:58.699 --> 00:59:01.400 so. You know, I think because I think it does. 00:59:01.460 --> 00:59:03.760 It's that perfect. So bad. It's good type of 00:59:03.760 --> 00:59:07.900 movie. Yeah, agreed. Like. Just to be totally 00:59:07.900 --> 00:59:09.500 candid, you can cut this out of the episode if 00:59:09.500 --> 00:59:12.519 you want, but for me, I feel like Troll 2, for 00:59:12.519 --> 00:59:15.539 example, is the height of So Bad It's Good, where 00:59:15.539 --> 00:59:18.480 it's so surreal, so bizarre. Every moment is 00:59:18.480 --> 00:59:21.639 like, how did this happen? And there are moments 00:59:21.639 --> 00:59:24.840 in Giant Spider Invasion that, like I said, do 00:59:24.840 --> 00:59:27.440 kind of get a little dull. But yeah, I mean, 00:59:27.460 --> 00:59:29.760 certainly this movie is in the So Bad It's Good 00:59:29.760 --> 00:59:32.699 pantheon, and there are so many moments that 00:59:32.699 --> 00:59:35.869 are like... and fun to watch and really striking 00:59:35.869 --> 00:59:38.010 and unique. And just the fact that it was shot 00:59:38.010 --> 00:59:41.150 for like $300 ,000 and I think made like 23 million 00:59:41.150 --> 00:59:44.750 worldwide is amazing. It's incredible. Yeah. 00:59:44.849 --> 00:59:48.250 There was something about it. Yeah. It's in the 00:59:48.250 --> 00:59:52.849 Pantheon. I like that. Yeah. You know, Plan 9 00:59:52.849 --> 00:59:55.070 from Outer Space, most Ed Wood movies, like, 00:59:55.070 --> 00:59:58.590 yeah. For sure. Yeah, because that's, it was 00:59:58.590 --> 01:00:02.050 made so earnestly, I feel like. Like there's, 01:00:02.050 --> 01:00:06.139 like, That's to me like a true campy movie where, 01:00:06.219 --> 01:00:09.679 yeah, it's rough around the edges. The effects 01:00:09.679 --> 01:00:13.199 are bad, but the actors aren't playing it tongue 01:00:13.199 --> 01:00:16.559 in cheek. Even Alan Hale, like he does drop it 01:00:16.559 --> 01:00:18.739 in at times. And like when he's on the phone, 01:00:18.900 --> 01:00:21.639 you know, he's doing some real acting. He's not 01:00:21.639 --> 01:00:26.340 phoning it in. No pun intended. So, you know, 01:00:26.380 --> 01:00:29.139 like Edwards, like Plan 9, like Troll 2, like 01:00:29.139 --> 01:00:32.489 they're a mess. don't tell the directors that 01:00:32.489 --> 01:00:35.829 to them. They were making a real movie. Absolutely. 01:00:35.869 --> 01:00:38.489 Yeah. And I think if you have that love for movies 01:00:38.489 --> 01:00:41.110 and just like the creative drive, then like that 01:00:41.110 --> 01:00:43.050 will make the movie worth watching no matter 01:00:43.050 --> 01:00:46.269 what, you know? Yeah. Yeah. So I'm happy to end 01:00:46.269 --> 01:00:50.889 this conversation on that note. Cool. I love 01:00:50.889 --> 01:00:54.030 it. I think, yeah, we can make something out 01:00:54.030 --> 01:00:56.769 of that and then add some bill quotes to something, 01:00:56.849 --> 01:00:59.329 social media or something. I don't know. And, 01:00:59.329 --> 01:01:02.610 you know, I'll add trailers and things. Cool. 01:01:02.989 --> 01:01:06.730 Yeah. Well, yeah, you know, good job just like 01:01:06.730 --> 01:01:09.610 trying to make that work on the fly. Sorry, maybe 01:01:09.610 --> 01:01:12.110 the audio didn't quite work out. But, you know, 01:01:12.130 --> 01:01:15.949 I think it worked out okay in general. We made 01:01:15.949 --> 01:01:19.170 it happen. We made it happen on a wing and a 01:01:19.170 --> 01:01:23.610 prayer. Thank you for rolling with it. Thank 01:01:23.610 --> 01:01:26.650 you. I feel like you made that work. So yeah, 01:01:26.750 --> 01:01:28.949 glad we talked to him. And I think we'll be able 01:01:28.949 --> 01:01:31.230 to pull something fun out of that. I think so 01:01:31.230 --> 01:01:35.030 too. Dearest listeners, thank you so much for 01:01:35.030 --> 01:01:38.349 going on that journey with us. It was truly a 01:01:38.349 --> 01:01:43.690 memorable experience, and we hope we did salvage 01:01:43.690 --> 01:01:46.469 enough to make this an enjoyable listening experience 01:01:46.469 --> 01:01:49.789 for you. Do check out The Giant Spider Invasion. 01:01:49.809 --> 01:01:52.590 It's on Tubi. 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Ever see the movie Jaws? 01:03:29.719 --> 01:03:32.340 Well, it makes that shark look like a goldfish! 01:03:32.960 --> 01:03:42.860 I know, I know. Vance, I have a feeling the sheriff's 01:03:42.860 --> 01:03:45.340 putting you on. I'm sure he's taking physics. 01:03:45.739 --> 01:03:48.760 Oh, I used to take physics. But now I find that 01:03:48.760 --> 01:03:50.079 prunes do the better job.