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Pepe, tell the doctor what this is. You just

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ran away and left him hanging? Come on. That's

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true. I forgot that it's very strange. At least

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mention a spaceship crash landed in the Mediterranean.

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No, he just wants the money and that's it. One

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track mind. Yeah. Oh, Pepe. Hello and welcome

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to Camp Kaiju Monster Movie Podcast. We're your

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hosts, Matt Levine. And Vincent Hannum. And we

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are talking about all our favorite monster movies,

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the good, the bad, and the downright campy, and

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asking if they stand the test of time. Traditional

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kaiju, creature features, space invaders, the

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supernatural, and everything in between. All

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in the show notes. The airship XY -21, which

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crashed into the Mediterranean Sea on the 11th,

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was a single -stage astral -propelled rocket

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launched 13 months ago from a site within the

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United States. The rocket, with its complement

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of 17 men, had landed on the planet Venus. Venus?

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The planet Venus? Some of you may also have heard

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the story of a monster now confined here in Rome's

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zoo. That beast is from Venus. Yeah, for those

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electric cables. We have a very special guest

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joining us tonight, longtime friend of the podcast

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and our frequent guest star, Naomi Osborne. Thank

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you so much for being here. Well, thank you so

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much for having me. I love coming on this show.

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It is always such a pleasure to have you on the

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show. Just great conversation. Tonight, we're

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talking about 20 Million Miles to Earth, directed

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by Nathan Juran. Do you know how to pronounce

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that, Vincent? I think I've always heard it Juran.

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Juran. Okay, cool. I was not totally sure. With

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special effects by Ray Harryhausen, the one and

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only. So yeah, lots of fun stuff to talk about.

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Before we get to that, though, I think all of

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us have some fun stuff going on. Naomi, you just

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got back from Comic -Con in New York, right?

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Yes, I did. It's, I think, the second largest

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comic convention in the U .S., just behind San

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Diego. But it's really fun. I went last year

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for the first time, and I learned a thing or

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two last year, so I... Made the most out of the

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time. I went to as many panels as I could. And

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it just felt really good to be around everybody

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excited about their fandom and connecting with

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each other. It was just really good vibes all

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around. Super fun. You met famous people, right?

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Yes, I did meet some famous people. The first

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one I met was George Takai. He was giving just

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this amazing little talk about... His memoir,

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he's releasing a graphic memoir he did earlier

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this year, and he just has really amazing stories,

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really good vibe. Very nice man, very delightful

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man. I met Joe Hill. He's an author. You guys

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are familiar with him. Right now, people might

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know him because his book got adapted into The

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Black Foam, which is out right now, or the second

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one is out right now. But he just released another

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book, the first one he's released in 10 years.

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It's Stephen King's son, for those who don't

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know. Yeah, he was really nice. And then I saw

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a lot of celebrities also that I didn't actually

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get to meet, but I saw on panels and things like

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I saw Edgar Wright for a panel for The Running

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Man, which is coming out mid -month, mid -November.

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And I'm super excited about that. I think that's

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going to be really fun. And I just got really

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pumped up during that panel hearing about all

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the... you know choices how it'll be different

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than the last one like and he's just such a good

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genre blend blender you know i'm excited to see

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that one minnesota connection that i was surprised

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to find was i went to the panel for the remake

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of the silent night deadly night are you guys

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familiar with that horror film yeah i didn't

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know they were remaking it though yeah they are

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remaking it and the director is a guy named mike

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p nelson and he's from minneapolis actually And

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I came to find that we even were at MCAD, the

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Minneapolis College of Art and Design at the

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same time. So that's like pretty cool. I didn't

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find out until after I was a panel and one of

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my friends was like, oh, I know him and kind

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of gave me the scoop. But so I'm excited to see

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that, you know, I just like to support people

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from where I live, too. You know, absolutely.

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Yeah. I also got a little behind the scenes for

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there's a new HBO show coming out. That's a spinoff

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of The It. the latest two it films and it's called

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welcome to dairy. And they're really kind of

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pushing it hard at the con and actually know

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somebody who puts together some of those events.

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And I got to see part of the first episode, which

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was really exciting because it doesn't come out

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for another couple of weeks. So that was cool.

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Nice. Yeah. Yeah. Amazing. That just seems like

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such a cool opportunity. I've never been to Comic

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-Con, but I long to go someday and just like,

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it's all about excitement for all this great

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stuff coming up, right? It's such a cool atmosphere.

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It must be to be there. It is. It's a lot like,

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you know, digital communities that we have, but

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in person, you know, and it's fun to see it full

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circle because before the internet, you know,

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people would go to conventions to find their

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people to connect with them. And like, they're

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still doing it. And it's so cool because you

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see fans of all ages, you know, stuff where it's

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like, I don't know what that is, but I'm happy

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for you. Like, that's great. So many times when

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you see a weird cosplay and you're just like,

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yes, like I saw my cousin Vinny cosplay, like

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they get deep with their, you know, there's just

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every kind of fan and everybody's there to just

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have fun and connect with each other. And it's

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just great. I love it. This is a random memory,

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but talking about. people getting into fandoms

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and cons before the internet when i was a kid

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i must have been about 10 maybe so we're talking

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late 90s in central florida my mom who is a huge

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dark shadows fan like she grew up watching that

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in the 60s she took me and my brother with her

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to like a fan club meeting at some like buffet

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restaurant as a kid i didn't understand any of

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like the, the, the, the scene or like what it

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is to be a fan and a fan club. And I was just

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kind of like, this is kind of boring and weird.

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I'm sitting around a bunch of people. I remember

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we were in the non -smoking section because restaurants

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back then were split like that. Now in hindsight,

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I appreciate that memory and my mom's nerdiness.

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I think it's great. I love when nerds connect,

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man. It's just such a it's such a fun thing.

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People just excited about what they like, you

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know? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, there is a con

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coming up in early November here in the city.

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It's called Twin Cities Con. I don't know if

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you guys are familiar with that, but it's it's

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OK. You know, it's small. There's good guests.

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They've got a few people like Brendan Fraser

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is going to be there. I don't like to meet a

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lot of people like unless it's just a casual

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handshake. I don't do a lot of like the autographs

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and photos and stuff, but they have a lot of

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that there. Lots of panels and stuff. I've even

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thought like it would be cool to do a panel there,

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you know, and like host a panel of people talk

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about film or you guys could record an episode

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or something like that'd be cool, right? I'm

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going to look into that. You had me at Brendan

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Fraser. there's a couple other that other guy

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from the mummy I should know this because we

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talked about it once but the guy who plays Benny

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like the little henchman he's gonna be there

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too all right wow yeah no disrespect to that

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guy but very cool right yeah just saying Tom's

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big and small there's always something to find

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heck yeah amazing that's awesome Speaking of

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weird cosplay, I feel like we also have to shout

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out your trivia, Film Friends Trivia at Indeed

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Brewing, which, you know, earlier this month,

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we're recording in October. This episode will

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go out in November. But yeah, it sounds like

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the October installment of Film Friends Trivia

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went pretty great. Oh, yeah. It's always a banger.

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Lots of people come out, but it gets a little

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more momentum every year, which is exciting because.

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I'm a horror lover. I try not to over -horror

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my categories year -round, but I love the freedom

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to just get creative and do whatever I want with

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the questions. I had a guest host who's very

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knowledgeable about horror. He has two horror

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podcasts himself. His name is Andy Sell. So that

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was super fun. People were wearing amazing costumes.

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I got all kinds of extra. prizing donated to

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just because people wanted to be a part of it.

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You know, you guys spoke with Sierra from Saturn

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video recently. She donated some cool horror

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VHS tapes. And there's a couple other. Yeah,

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it's just nice. You know, it makes me feel really

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good that people want to be a part of it and

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come out for it and dress up for it. And just

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sounds like your trivia night is just, yeah,

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it's got that momentum and a lot of a lot of

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success. It is. I think people just want to be

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a part of something that is positive and, you

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know, maybe get off their phones for a couple

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hours once a month. And I love that people feel

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that it's an accessible, like safe space, too.

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You know, this isn't people belong here. It's

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called Film Friends because I treat them all

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like they are my friends. You know, this is a

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community. And I really like that. It's a it's

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a different it's a difference than you see at

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other trivia is a different bars and so forth.

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It's a good group. Did you have a favorite costume

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there? Oh, my gosh. There were so many good ones.

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But the ones that I ended up leaving it up to

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the crowd because I just, you know, we do sort

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of the applause -o -meter. We picked our top

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three, and then I let the crowd choose. And the

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winners I actually really liked as well. It was

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a Wicker Man -themed costume. So it was Rowan,

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like the little girl, and then the actual...

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blanking on his name right now the christopher

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lee character the may bad guy but it was just

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a really good really good costume and then there

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was another one that was like a pop art the clown

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costume that was really like creatively executed

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all right and i'm not a big fan of art the clown

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but i love that we have a new guy in the mix

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you know yeah that guy was uh it was fun they're

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just some really good costumes there's a couple

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lydia costumes from beetlejuice that we're from

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different parts of the movie. So that's kind

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of fun. I love it when people get really specific

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about the moment they're representing, you know,

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and they know that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was

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just a good time. It was really fun. There were

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so many good costumes. That's awesome. Yeah.

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So happy to hear that. And the next installment

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of film friends will be the first Monday in November

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at indeed brewing. Right. Yeah, that's right.

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It's always the first Monday of every single

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month. And then in December, it'll be Monday

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the 1st. So at the very beginning of the month,

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but also be somewhat of special trivia, at least

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on a personal level, for sure, because that'll

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be my three years of doing this, of doing trivia.

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So I'm excited to do that. Yeah, put together

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some special questions or something like that.

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Sweet. Amazing. Congratulations. Thank you. Thank

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you. Amazing. So much, you know, cool, fun, exciting

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stuff going on. So happy to hear that. Vincent,

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how are you doing? Also, you know, want to want

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to check in, see how you're doing. Thanks for

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checking in, man. Yeah, I'm sorry. I'll take

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up all the space. No, no, we're just doing our

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introductions. Yeah, you got a lot of cool things

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to talk about. I have really been enjoying fall

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lately, the fall colors. are here in Minnesota.

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The temperature's finally gotten below 60 degrees,

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and I'm soaking it up. I am starting to watch

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more spookier movies, and that does include some

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Ray Harryhausen. So, I mean, just to get to it,

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I'm very excited about 20 Million Miles to Earth,

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and can't wait to talk about it with you all.

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Yeah, yeah, for sure. Well, on that note, thanks

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you don't need to have a cool nickname like Beast

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Drool. But if you wanted to have a cool nickname,

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we could spice it up. It could be like a treehouse

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of horror every October. You know how in the

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credits the writers all have their spooky nicknames?

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Yes, I love that. Don't ask me to come up with

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one now. Oh, I was just going to ask. But I also

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don't know what I would come up with. I have

00:15:45.169 --> 00:15:47.889
not given that any thought. Matt, it could be

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the return of Lespleen Levine. Yeah. Yeah, my

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nickname, I think my Instagram handle used to

00:15:55.230 --> 00:15:57.649
be Matt Lespleen. So I should bring it back.

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That's a good one. Mine used to be Bart Simpson.

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That's good. Yeah. Not quite Halloween related,

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but scary nonetheless. Well, we'll make sure

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that we have some solid names for next year.

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I know that's a long time from now, but we'll

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have 12 months to come up with our good Treehouse

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of Horror name for next time. Oh, heck yeah.

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Yep. I'm all about it. Cool. So one fun thing

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that we always do here on Camp Kaiju, we try

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to shout out a movie that was released around

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this date in movie history. So again, this episode

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will come out in late October -ish, early November

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-ish, and obviously right around Halloween. That's

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a very popular time for horror movies to be released.

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So we have a pretty long list here of movies

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that came out around this time. Naomi, does anything

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on that list jump out at you? Well, immediately

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the people under the stairs jumps out. I love

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that movie. I think it's it's stuck with me even

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as a kid. Like there's a scene where she gets

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thrown into this hot bathwater and it just was

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like seared into my young brain, you know, as

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this cruelty against children, you know, that

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it really sticks with you, I think, when you're

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a kid. And it's still resonant for me in that

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way. Very interesting movie. I love that movie.

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The only time that I've gone to a horror -a -thon

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of Trilon Cinema, which... A little bit of cross

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-promotion, I guess. I did not mean to do that,

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but that's actually coming up at the trial on,

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in, I think, Saturday, the 25th. I think it's,

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well, so it already will have passed by the time

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this episode comes out. But anyway. The only

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time I went to Horrorathon, People Under the

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Stairs was the last movie of the night. So it

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started at like four in the morning and everybody

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was like delirious. And of course, like you don't

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know exactly what movie it's going to be before

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it starts playing. And I had so much fun watching

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that, just like totally sleep deprived and like,

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you know, a little bit delirious at that point

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of the night. And I was still totally sucked

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into it. It's a great movie. Oh, I love it when

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a movie has a great memory like that. That's

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so cool. Have you seen a Vincent? I have not,

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but I know it's Wes Craven. So I, I expect to

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like it and you two seem to love it. So that's

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good enough for me. It's really good. It's very

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thoughtful. And I will say as someone who often

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will get annoyed with child actors in films,

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there is a child actor in this who is very not

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annoying and he's a hero. And I, I, I root for

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him the whole time. So please watch it. Yeah.

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What about you guys? I, I was intrigued by this

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movie I've never heard of called The Phantom

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from 1931. And reading the plot on Wikipedia,

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it says a reporter goes in search of a deranged

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masked killer hiding in an insane asylum. And

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that just seems like such a modern plot to me

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that to think that a movie from the 30s was about

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a masked killer. I'm intrigued. I'm like, wow,

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is it like a early slasher film? Maybe crazy.

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What a cool observation. I agree. Yeah. Hmm.

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Sounds like Peter Lorre might have to talk about

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that on the podcast at some point. Maybe, but

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I've never heard of it. Maybe he probably has.

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He was alive. Let's see here. Which one? I think

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I'm going to choose kind of an unusual title

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here as I try to get my cat out of the way of

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my microphone. Sorry. But I think I'll shout

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out I Married a Witch from 1942, which is not

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a horror movie. It's kind of a romantic comedy,

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but it's really great. It's extremely charming.

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Veronica Lake, who I absolutely love. She was

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also in Sullivan's Travels. She's in that movie.

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Frederick March, one of my favorite old school

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Hollywood actors, is in that as well, directed

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by Renee Clare, a really good comedic director.

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So if you don't want to scare But you still want

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something a little bit witchy Halloween related.

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I love I Married a Witch. Really, really great

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movie. And I feel like it's good to have like

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not scary Halloween choices, you know, just in

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case. So true. Yeah. Yes. I'm into that. I was

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just recently introduced to a film, just a brief

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aside, called Practical Magic from 1998. Ellen.

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my my wife had seen this movie and she's like

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have you ever seen this like no sandra bullock

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nicole kidman you know late 90s witch movie it

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was actually a pretty good time so just a little

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plug for practical magic great cast of that movie

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yeah and it's charming it's campy and it's got

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a lot of fun things going on that movie has a

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lot of resonance i think for like millennial

00:20:36.109 --> 00:20:39.410
women like and for some certain subgenres too

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like there's a look called a whimsicoth that

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is kind of pays tribute to like the late nineties,

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like kind of gothy look of like wearing velvet

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and, you know, like kind of hippie kind of skirts.

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And do you remember in like the late nineties

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when there's moons on everything and like, you

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know, lots of velvet and heavy, like kind of

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worldly textures and yeah, there's, there's many

00:21:03.920 --> 00:21:06.500
a Pinterest board on it for those who want to

00:21:06.500 --> 00:21:08.839
follow up. I feel like Veronica Lake and I Married

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a Witch is kind of a whimsicoth, like 50 years

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before that really became a thing. So maybe it

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all comes together a little bit, you know? I

00:21:16.240 --> 00:21:18.799
always get that movie confused with Bell, Book,

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and Candle, even though Bell, Book, and Candle

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is like 10 years later or something. But they're

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both just like those frothy witch stories, you

00:21:26.019 --> 00:21:30.660
know? Yeah. Fun. Bell book and candles. Great.

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I love that movie. Kim Novak and Jimmy Stewart,

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right? Yes. Beautiful. Like just like a colorful,

00:21:36.500 --> 00:21:38.640
gorgeous movie. Really love that one as well.

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Yeah. Yeah. Vincent, you have to watch that.

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I think I posted about it last year and you were

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like interested in it. It's amazing. It's all

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like these beautiful mid -century interiors and

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it's set in New York and you know, over Christmas,

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it's really nice. Yeah. I've had other people

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talk about it since then too. So yeah, definitely

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on my radar. Cool. I have a question about one

00:22:01.890 --> 00:22:04.809
of these just before we move on the Frankenstein

00:22:04.809 --> 00:22:08.329
and the monster of hell monster from hell. Have

00:22:08.329 --> 00:22:11.430
you guys seen that one? No, but that title also

00:22:11.430 --> 00:22:14.990
caught my eye. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Well, I haven't

00:22:14.990 --> 00:22:16.769
seen it either. So I was just like, what could

00:22:16.769 --> 00:22:19.710
that be about? Like, you know, with del Torres

00:22:19.710 --> 00:22:21.849
Frankenstein coming up, it might be time for

00:22:21.849 --> 00:22:24.650
me to, you know, to bone up on some of this,

00:22:24.670 --> 00:22:28.230
these Frankenstein titles. Uh -huh. It's either

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going to be very good or very bad. But either

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way, I'll love it. Yeah. It looks like a Hammer

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Horror film, Frankenstein and the Monster from

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Hell, directed by Terrence Fisher. So I don't

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know anything about it either, but I like that

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pedigree. I would love to check that out. Well,

00:22:44.759 --> 00:22:46.980
at some point, we'll have to get to 20 Million

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Miles to Earth tonight, the movie that we're

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focusing on. Just a couple quick shout outs about

00:22:52.220 --> 00:22:54.740
upcoming monster movies. Predator Badlands is

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one of the bigger ones coming out soon. Very

00:22:56.700 --> 00:22:59.420
excited for that. And then somebody, I'm guessing,

00:22:59.619 --> 00:23:01.960
well, yeah, I'm not sure if it was Vincent or

00:23:01.960 --> 00:23:04.059
Naomi, but somebody put the movie Beast of War

00:23:04.059 --> 00:23:06.859
on the Google Doc as well. It's a World War II

00:23:06.859 --> 00:23:09.519
giant killer shark movie. But what I actually

00:23:09.519 --> 00:23:12.539
want to mention is, Matt, what I sent to you

00:23:12.539 --> 00:23:17.660
a while ago. In Wisconsin this year, in a small

00:23:17.660 --> 00:23:21.799
town in Wisconsin, they shot the 1970s creature

00:23:21.799 --> 00:23:25.099
feature The Giant Spider Invasion from 1975.

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It's a cult classic. It's been spoofed on MST3K

00:23:29.880 --> 00:23:35.279
and the like. But the original cast and crew,

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as many of them are still alive, are getting

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back together to revamp it and redo it. in their

00:23:42.269 --> 00:23:45.190
own way, I guess. So the giant spider invasion

00:23:45.190 --> 00:23:49.990
is apparently coming back. I haven't seen the

00:23:49.990 --> 00:23:51.750
original. I'm not going to act like I'm an expert,

00:23:51.849 --> 00:23:55.109
but I think it's really cool for some B -movie

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history there. I love that story. Whenever you

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have like, you know, just people who love these

00:24:01.410 --> 00:24:03.390
movies trying to like keep them alive and pay

00:24:03.390 --> 00:24:05.349
tribute to them, that's always a great thing.

00:24:05.430 --> 00:24:07.950
So that's a very cool story. I don't like giant

00:24:07.950 --> 00:24:10.309
spiders. I don't like any spiders, in fact, but

00:24:10.309 --> 00:24:12.849
I still like that idea a lot. You love Wisconsin.

00:24:13.609 --> 00:24:17.630
I do. Yeah, indeed. So that's a great story.

00:24:17.690 --> 00:24:20.369
Thank you for shouting that out, Vincent. I'm

00:24:20.369 --> 00:24:21.910
going to have nightmares about giant spiders

00:24:21.910 --> 00:24:23.950
tonight, but you know. Matt is from Wisconsin

00:24:23.950 --> 00:24:26.609
for all you listeners. He doesn't just love Wisconsin.

00:24:27.150 --> 00:24:30.950
There's a reason. Yeah, there is. I should do

00:24:30.950 --> 00:24:33.829
a better job of representing my Wisconsin pride,

00:24:33.970 --> 00:24:37.240
but yep. But who doesn't love Wisconsin, you

00:24:37.240 --> 00:24:40.039
know? Cheese, the Green Bay Packers, beer if

00:24:40.039 --> 00:24:42.359
that's your thing. You know, it's a great state,

00:24:42.579 --> 00:24:46.000
yeah. Serial killers. Yeah, they are known for

00:24:46.000 --> 00:24:48.839
their serial killers, for sure. That is a mark

00:24:48.839 --> 00:24:51.440
of pride, I would say. Yeah. Well, just real

00:24:51.440 --> 00:24:54.019
quickly, coming up on Camp Kaiju, Vincent, do

00:24:54.019 --> 00:24:55.720
you want to talk about the next title that you're

00:24:55.720 --> 00:25:01.099
bringing to the pod? Yeah, 1967, a Japanese kaiju

00:25:01.099 --> 00:25:04.759
film called Gappa, the Trifibian Monster. Not

00:25:04.759 --> 00:25:07.960
from Toho. It's from Arrival Studio. It's a lesser

00:25:07.960 --> 00:25:11.759
-known kaiju film from the Golden Age, but I

00:25:11.759 --> 00:25:14.299
think it's worth checking out and definitely

00:25:14.299 --> 00:25:16.720
worth discussing to see if that one stands the

00:25:16.720 --> 00:25:19.000
test of time. So I'm very excited about that.

00:25:19.480 --> 00:25:23.819
And then, Matt, you have a movie after that.

00:25:24.849 --> 00:25:27.150
Yeah, I think that might be our last movie of

00:25:27.150 --> 00:25:29.470
this half season. I can't quite remember. But

00:25:29.470 --> 00:25:31.390
the next one that I'm bringing to the podcast

00:25:31.390 --> 00:25:34.190
is The Addiction, which is a vampire movie directed

00:25:34.190 --> 00:25:37.890
by Abel Ferrara and starring Lily Taylor. It's

00:25:37.890 --> 00:25:40.789
very critically acclaimed. I've read that it's

00:25:40.789 --> 00:25:43.130
kind of a metaphor for drug addiction. But yeah,

00:25:43.230 --> 00:25:45.029
beyond that, I don't really know a lot about

00:25:45.029 --> 00:25:46.809
it. So I'm excited to check that out. And also

00:25:46.809 --> 00:25:49.289
Frank Olson, another friend of the pod, will

00:25:49.289 --> 00:25:52.029
be joining us for that episode. Nice. And then

00:25:52.029 --> 00:25:55.220
after that. We'll do Pacific Rim, Guillermo del

00:25:55.220 --> 00:25:58.680
Toro's kaiju feature, and then probably a Christmas

00:25:58.680 --> 00:26:03.079
episode or a holiday episode and announce season

00:26:03.079 --> 00:26:06.240
six. All of a sudden, it's the end of the year

00:26:06.240 --> 00:26:08.819
and things get very busy, but in a very good

00:26:08.819 --> 00:26:13.240
way. Episodes coming at you left and right. Vampires,

00:26:13.240 --> 00:26:17.339
kaiju, you name it. Well, I can't wait to hear

00:26:17.339 --> 00:26:19.799
what you guys pick for the next season because

00:26:19.799 --> 00:26:22.690
it's always surprising and fun, you know? of

00:26:22.690 --> 00:26:25.569
what you guys put together so i i have ideas

00:26:25.569 --> 00:26:30.910
but uh if i'm not careful i could this show can

00:26:30.910 --> 00:26:35.049
consume every waking hour of my day i'm that

00:26:35.049 --> 00:26:40.049
kind of obsessive artist i guess sometimes i

00:26:40.049 --> 00:26:43.289
totally relate with my trivia like there's a

00:26:43.289 --> 00:26:45.730
line in the movie psycho where he talks about

00:26:45.730 --> 00:26:48.789
how like a hobby is supposed to pass the time

00:26:48.789 --> 00:26:51.650
and not fill it, you know? And I feel like sometimes

00:26:51.650 --> 00:26:56.049
I'm Norman Bates in that scenario with his taxidermy.

00:26:56.670 --> 00:27:02.150
Yeah. Yeah. Well, we would, we would like to

00:27:02.150 --> 00:27:04.529
believe that camp Kaiju will, you know, fill

00:27:04.529 --> 00:27:06.890
everybody's time in the best possible way. Yeah.

00:27:07.089 --> 00:27:10.230
Yeah. So, yeah, no, I'm excited about that too.

00:27:10.329 --> 00:27:12.670
I always love doing our like end, you know, like

00:27:12.670 --> 00:27:14.630
preview episodes for the next season or whatever.

00:27:14.769 --> 00:27:29.440
So we'll, we'll see what happens. Yeah. I say

00:27:29.440 --> 00:27:36.240
there are things better left unsolved. Who knows

00:27:36.240 --> 00:27:38.940
what waits for us in nature's no man's land.

00:27:43.920 --> 00:27:48.700
Impossible. Unbelievable. Fantastic. But I tell

00:27:48.700 --> 00:27:51.599
you it could happen. It could happen. It could

00:27:51.599 --> 00:27:55.559
happen. It could happen. Yes, it could happen.

00:27:56.119 --> 00:27:58.980
For various authorities believe that buried somewhere

00:27:58.980 --> 00:28:01.960
under the polar ice cap, in a state of suspended

00:28:01.960 --> 00:28:06.240
animation, are the awesome creatures. The leviathans

00:28:06.240 --> 00:28:09.299
that roamed the earth at the dawn of time. And

00:28:09.299 --> 00:28:12.539
under certain conditions, a nuclear explosion

00:28:12.539 --> 00:28:17.480
could free one from his icy tomb. Then guided

00:28:17.480 --> 00:28:20.559
by instinct, the beast would come back. Back

00:28:20.559 --> 00:28:22.819
to the caverns of the deepest Atlantic where

00:28:22.819 --> 00:28:26.650
it was spawned. An armored giant. wreaking his

00:28:26.650 --> 00:28:30.250
prehistoric fury on modern man and his puny machines.

00:28:30.809 --> 00:28:33.990
Cities would be terrorized by the cruel intruder

00:28:33.990 --> 00:28:37.170
from the past. Populations crazed and panicked

00:28:37.170 --> 00:28:40.710
with fear by its destructive force. Granite and

00:28:40.710 --> 00:28:43.630
steel would crumble. Soldiers and their weapons

00:28:43.630 --> 00:28:46.309
would be powerless before the onslaught of the

00:28:46.309 --> 00:28:51.329
beast. The beast. The beast. The beast from 20

00:28:51.329 --> 00:28:55.970
,000 fathoms. Herald Square. 34th Street, Broadway.

00:28:56.589 --> 00:28:59.390
Every section of the city is guarded. No one

00:28:59.390 --> 00:29:05.309
knows where the monster will strike next. Another

00:29:05.309 --> 00:29:07.930
one, Colonel? No. You know where the radioactive

00:29:07.930 --> 00:29:10.670
isotope is? No, but if it can be loaded, I can

00:29:10.670 --> 00:29:13.549
fire it. I'll load it. Just remember one thing.

00:29:13.750 --> 00:29:15.869
This is the only isotope of its kind this side

00:29:15.869 --> 00:29:51.829
of Oak Ridge, so you can't miss. Journey to a

00:29:51.829 --> 00:29:55.609
magical time when demons and heroes battled for

00:29:55.609 --> 00:29:59.029
the golden treasures and human spoils of forgotten

00:29:59.029 --> 00:30:08.750
kingdoms. Kill. Kill him. Thrilled the story

00:30:08.750 --> 00:30:12.230
of a legendary superhero who fights through all

00:30:12.230 --> 00:30:15.069
the torments of hell to save the woman he loves

00:30:15.069 --> 00:30:19.349
from the world's most powerful sorcerer. This

00:30:19.349 --> 00:30:26.230
is Sinbad's greatest adventure. The seventh voyage

00:30:26.230 --> 00:30:30.970
of Sinbad. She was once a beautiful princess.

00:30:31.289 --> 00:30:34.190
The sadistic magician shrinks her to the size

00:30:34.190 --> 00:30:39.009
of a tiny doll. And now, Sinbad must do the impossible

00:30:39.009 --> 00:30:43.150
to save her. He must destroy a legion of hell

00:30:43.150 --> 00:30:45.809
-spawned monsters on the death -shrouded island

00:30:45.809 --> 00:30:50.779
of Colossa. See the flashing death of the living

00:30:50.779 --> 00:30:54.299
skeleton. See the attack of the giant two -headed

00:30:54.299 --> 00:30:58.380
bird. See the dance of the cobra woman and feel

00:30:58.380 --> 00:31:02.900
her deadly slithering embrace. See the spectacular

00:31:02.900 --> 00:31:05.960
battle between the one -eyed cyclops and the

00:31:05.960 --> 00:31:12.069
fire -breathing dragon. The incredible magic

00:31:12.069 --> 00:31:15.509
of Dinarama recreates the enchanted, breathtaking

00:31:15.509 --> 00:31:19.970
adventure that could never be told before. The

00:31:19.970 --> 00:31:26.329
Seventh Voyage of Sinbad. Provide him with suitable

00:31:26.329 --> 00:31:30.750
weapons. Weapons of divine temper. A helmet,

00:31:30.950 --> 00:31:38.829
a shield, a sword. Find and fulfill your destiny.

00:31:41.200 --> 00:31:49.160
The myth. The magic. The mystery. The majesty.

00:31:49.920 --> 00:31:53.799
Destroy Yagos! Let loose the last of the Titans.

00:31:57.640 --> 00:32:02.640
Metro -Goldwyn -Mayer presents Clash of the Titans.

00:32:03.380 --> 00:32:11.460
The good. The evil. The danger. The daring. How

00:32:11.460 --> 00:32:20.220
may a mortal man face and defeat the crab? Clash

00:32:20.220 --> 00:32:26.460
of the Titans. The combat. The courage. The splendor.

00:32:27.240 --> 00:32:39.000
The spectacle. Clash of the Titans. Starring

00:32:39.000 --> 00:32:43.059
Harry Hamlin. as Perseus, Judy Bowker as Andromeda,

00:32:43.240 --> 00:32:48.140
Burgess Meredith, Maggie Smith, Ursula Andress,

00:32:48.400 --> 00:32:55.220
Claire Bloom, Sean Phillips, Flora Robeson, and

00:32:55.220 --> 00:33:00.599
Laurence Olivier as Zeus. Before history, beyond

00:33:00.599 --> 00:33:07.359
imagination. Clash of the Titans. Again, we were

00:33:07.359 --> 00:33:10.349
talking about 20 million miles to Earth. Naomi,

00:33:10.390 --> 00:33:12.150
what is your personal history with this movie?

00:33:12.849 --> 00:33:16.309
I had no personal history with it. It was a first

00:33:16.309 --> 00:33:19.750
time watch. I was excited because I love Harryhausen,

00:33:19.849 --> 00:33:23.710
but I had never seen this before. But I thought

00:33:23.710 --> 00:33:25.470
it was really good. I thought it was interesting.

00:33:25.869 --> 00:33:29.450
The monster, well, the monster was what I really

00:33:29.450 --> 00:33:32.750
liked. And it was an empathetic portrayal, I

00:33:32.750 --> 00:33:35.230
think, and had some interesting things to say

00:33:35.230 --> 00:33:38.019
about the time it was made. i had not seen it

00:33:38.019 --> 00:33:40.740
so i was really happy to be kind of given the

00:33:40.740 --> 00:33:44.509
nudge here Yeah, same. I had heard the title

00:33:44.509 --> 00:33:46.829
before. I knew that Ray Harryhausen was involved

00:33:46.829 --> 00:33:49.130
and that's pretty much all I knew about it. You

00:33:49.130 --> 00:33:51.950
know, when I suggested this for this season of

00:33:51.950 --> 00:33:54.769
Camp Kaiju, I was just like looking at a list

00:33:54.769 --> 00:33:56.710
of Ray Harryhausen titles and I was like, oh,

00:33:56.730 --> 00:33:58.890
I like that title. Let's talk about that. And

00:33:58.890 --> 00:34:00.470
didn't know anything more about it beyond that.

00:34:00.650 --> 00:34:03.490
But yeah, I think hopefully it was a good choice.

00:34:03.990 --> 00:34:05.990
Vincent, I know you have an extended history

00:34:05.990 --> 00:34:07.970
with this movie, so I wanted to ask you last

00:34:07.970 --> 00:34:11.539
what your history is. You may think that, but

00:34:11.539 --> 00:34:15.820
the first time I saw it was in 2021. I have seen

00:34:15.820 --> 00:34:20.000
it several more times since then. I've lost count

00:34:20.000 --> 00:34:21.860
because this is kind of an easy movie that I

00:34:21.860 --> 00:34:24.420
just kind of throw on sometimes and half pay

00:34:24.420 --> 00:34:30.119
attention to. When I hosted Sci -Fi Movie Club

00:34:30.119 --> 00:34:33.139
at school in the past couple years, I showed

00:34:33.139 --> 00:34:34.780
this one because I think it's really accessible.

00:34:35.300 --> 00:34:37.179
Kids don't pay attention. You can't get them

00:34:37.179 --> 00:34:40.219
off their phones, but it's okay. It's okay. I

00:34:40.219 --> 00:34:46.099
know what year it is, but I still try to spread

00:34:46.099 --> 00:34:48.179
the message of this movie because I think it's

00:34:48.179 --> 00:34:50.500
really accessible, especially for younger viewers,

00:34:50.699 --> 00:34:53.619
but offers a lot for older viewers too with the

00:34:53.619 --> 00:34:58.619
creature design. And yeah, so it's a recent movie

00:34:58.619 --> 00:35:02.320
for me, but one that I do go back to all of a

00:35:02.320 --> 00:35:05.019
sudden. So it's like a new classic for me. Awesome.

00:35:05.559 --> 00:35:08.460
So let's dive in to 20 Million Miles to Earth.

00:35:08.559 --> 00:35:10.659
Let's talk about this movie a little bit. So

00:35:10.659 --> 00:35:12.900
I'll just talk about the director, Nathan Duran,

00:35:13.059 --> 00:35:15.500
a little bit. Pretty interesting life and pretty

00:35:15.500 --> 00:35:18.059
interesting person. He was Austro -Hungarian

00:35:18.059 --> 00:35:21.420
born to a Jewish family. The family emigrated

00:35:21.420 --> 00:35:24.960
to Minneapolis in 1912. So that's where all of

00:35:24.960 --> 00:35:26.739
us live. We're recording here in Minneapolis.

00:35:26.880 --> 00:35:29.800
For any of the audience out there who doesn't

00:35:29.800 --> 00:35:31.500
know that, it's always nice to have that Minneapolis

00:35:31.500 --> 00:35:35.099
connection for us. Duran started as an architect,

00:35:35.199 --> 00:35:37.780
but moved to Los Angeles during the Great Depression

00:35:37.780 --> 00:35:41.039
and began working in various studios' art departments.

00:35:41.539 --> 00:35:45.239
He won an Oscar for art direction on the 1941

00:35:45.239 --> 00:35:48.300
film How Green Was My Valley, directed by John

00:35:48.300 --> 00:35:51.980
Ford. And Duran was also nominated for his art

00:35:51.980 --> 00:35:56.639
direction on The Razor's Edge from 1946. Before

00:35:56.639 --> 00:35:59.179
that, before The Razor's Edge, Duran also served

00:35:59.179 --> 00:36:02.349
in the Navy during World War II. After he returned

00:36:02.349 --> 00:36:04.269
to Hollywood after the war, he was an art director

00:36:04.269 --> 00:36:06.929
for various studios, including 20th Century Fox,

00:36:07.210 --> 00:36:10.710
Universal, and the indie studio Enterprise Productions.

00:36:10.969 --> 00:36:14.070
His directorial debut was The Black Castle, after

00:36:14.070 --> 00:36:16.250
the previous director, Joseph Pevney, dropped

00:36:16.250 --> 00:36:19.010
out. The Black Castle was a horror movie, but

00:36:19.010 --> 00:36:21.070
Duran actually directed movies in a lot of different

00:36:21.070 --> 00:36:24.090
genres, including westerns, swashbucklers, film

00:36:24.090 --> 00:36:27.230
noirs, and then directed some TV episodes as

00:36:27.230 --> 00:36:29.539
well. Considering all that, he kind of got into

00:36:29.539 --> 00:36:31.699
sci -fi and fantasy a little bit later in his

00:36:31.699 --> 00:36:34.639
directorial career. His first sci -fi fantasy

00:36:34.639 --> 00:36:38.400
film was The Deadly Mantis from 1957, which is

00:36:38.400 --> 00:36:40.300
the same year that 20 Million Miles to Earth

00:36:40.300 --> 00:36:42.900
came out. The Deadly Mantis kind of started the

00:36:42.900 --> 00:36:46.239
trend in Duran's movies of insects and human

00:36:46.239 --> 00:36:49.239
beings and various things growing to gigantic

00:36:49.239 --> 00:36:52.360
size and then running rampage. So then 20 Million

00:36:52.360 --> 00:36:54.619
Miles to Earth was his second sci -fi fantasy

00:36:54.619 --> 00:36:57.900
film of the year. And then after that point,

00:36:57.980 --> 00:37:00.360
Duran continued to make a lot of sci -fi fantasy

00:37:00.360 --> 00:37:03.420
films, including The Seventh Voyage of Sinbad,

00:37:03.619 --> 00:37:06.000
which was also produced by this film's producer,

00:37:06.139 --> 00:37:08.579
Charles Schneer, and also had special effects

00:37:08.579 --> 00:37:11.800
by Ray Harryhausen. Duran also made such movies

00:37:11.800 --> 00:37:14.519
as Attack of the 50 -Foot Woman, which we have

00:37:14.519 --> 00:37:17.519
talked about on the podcast before, and Jack

00:37:17.519 --> 00:37:20.670
the Giant Killer, which Duran also wrote. So

00:37:20.670 --> 00:37:23.769
an interesting filmography. And I feel like in

00:37:23.769 --> 00:37:25.849
the reviews that I read of 20 Million Miles to

00:37:25.849 --> 00:37:30.469
Earth, Duran probably gets second, you know,

00:37:30.489 --> 00:37:33.670
maybe his work is deemed not as important as

00:37:33.670 --> 00:37:36.250
Harryhausen's work. And that's certainly understandable.

00:37:36.429 --> 00:37:40.369
But, you know, I feel like Duran's work is capable.

00:37:40.670 --> 00:37:42.869
It might not be like any more than that, arguably,

00:37:42.869 --> 00:37:46.349
but I feel like he's just fine behind the camera

00:37:46.349 --> 00:37:50.150
in this case. Yeah, it's an interesting... Dynamic

00:37:50.150 --> 00:37:53.630
because a Harryhausen movie, it's not just like

00:37:53.630 --> 00:37:56.750
effects by Ray Harryhausen, like Stan Winston.

00:37:56.769 --> 00:37:58.610
You know, he has effects and all these other

00:37:58.610 --> 00:38:02.210
artists that we like and we admire. But like

00:38:02.210 --> 00:38:05.510
Harryhausen did everything, including directing

00:38:05.510 --> 00:38:09.010
his own sequences. And he worked in very close

00:38:09.010 --> 00:38:11.789
collaboration with the ostensible film director.

00:38:12.469 --> 00:38:15.429
So, yeah, I mean, it's an interesting relationship.

00:38:16.090 --> 00:38:19.400
But I was watching some. featurettes and interviews

00:38:19.400 --> 00:38:23.719
with ray harryhausen and he talks about his his

00:38:23.719 --> 00:38:26.280
better relation he talks about the relationships

00:38:26.280 --> 00:38:29.960
with directors he'd had who like really brought

00:38:29.960 --> 00:38:34.079
his creations to to have the impact they did

00:38:34.079 --> 00:38:38.440
on this movie eugene laurier directed the beast

00:38:38.440 --> 00:38:41.420
from 20 000 fathoms which is another classic

00:38:41.420 --> 00:38:45.340
harryhausen movie but you know harryhausen does

00:38:45.340 --> 00:38:48.690
give due credit to the director who pulls it

00:38:48.690 --> 00:38:51.769
all together and the writers as well. It's a

00:38:51.769 --> 00:38:55.789
lot of fascinating, like how they, the intricacies

00:38:55.789 --> 00:38:58.769
of how they work together. Harryhausen like provides

00:38:58.769 --> 00:39:01.610
the pictures and the artwork for his monsters.

00:39:01.969 --> 00:39:04.150
And then the writers, at least for 20 million

00:39:04.150 --> 00:39:07.250
miles to earth would then write scenes around

00:39:07.250 --> 00:39:10.789
Harryhausen's images. It wasn't the other way

00:39:10.789 --> 00:39:12.730
around where Harryhausen's trying to work within

00:39:12.730 --> 00:39:16.260
their screenplay. So Harryhausen just had such

00:39:16.260 --> 00:39:21.239
a presence and imagination that people just said,

00:39:21.280 --> 00:39:24.559
okay, you clearly know what you want. We're going

00:39:24.559 --> 00:39:29.420
to work with you to make it a reality. Wow. I

00:39:29.420 --> 00:39:31.099
love hearing those details of the production

00:39:31.099 --> 00:39:34.000
because I often wonder what the workflow is like

00:39:34.000 --> 00:39:36.840
in situations like that. It sounds like he was

00:39:36.840 --> 00:39:41.300
a really good collaborator. Definitely. I'll

00:39:41.300 --> 00:39:43.159
talk a little bit more about the colorization

00:39:43.159 --> 00:39:46.260
process of this film. There's a whole documentary

00:39:46.260 --> 00:39:50.900
on my Blu -ray about the colorization, which

00:39:50.900 --> 00:39:54.940
is a deep dive. But for now, let's talk about

00:39:54.940 --> 00:39:56.739
Ray Harryhausen a little bit more. But actually,

00:39:56.800 --> 00:40:01.840
Naomi, I wanted to ask you, you are a fan of

00:40:01.840 --> 00:40:05.340
Seventh Voyage of Sinbad. Is that right? Yes.

00:40:05.340 --> 00:40:09.619
Yes. Yep. Loved it. I watched it as a kid. I

00:40:09.619 --> 00:40:11.900
kind of have a special bond with my mom about

00:40:11.900 --> 00:40:14.340
it. Like we both, she showed it to me as a kid

00:40:14.340 --> 00:40:17.139
and it's just, it's always a good time. And every

00:40:17.139 --> 00:40:19.699
person I show it to really likes it. So I just

00:40:19.699 --> 00:40:23.019
love that movie. Yeah. I get the same thing.

00:40:23.079 --> 00:40:25.280
I love that movie too. I haven't seen the other

00:40:25.280 --> 00:40:29.980
Sinbad movies yet, but yeah, Seventh Voyage is,

00:40:30.000 --> 00:40:35.300
is just pure like imagination fuel. Totally.

00:40:35.940 --> 00:40:38.280
Did you see it as a kid or as an adult first?

00:40:38.880 --> 00:40:41.199
No, as an adult, all of Harryhausen's movies

00:40:41.199 --> 00:40:44.519
I really came to in the past few years. But I

00:40:44.519 --> 00:40:46.440
can't wait to just show them off to anybody.

00:40:46.900 --> 00:40:49.559
Especially nephews, nieces, my own daughter.

00:40:49.619 --> 00:40:52.800
Like, hey, watch these movies. You're going to

00:40:52.800 --> 00:40:55.969
really dig them. no and i spent i think with

00:40:55.969 --> 00:40:57.929
seventh voyage you know there's so many things

00:40:57.929 --> 00:41:00.590
that kids think about like and are familiar with

00:41:00.590 --> 00:41:04.349
you know cyclopses and genies and shrinking and

00:41:04.349 --> 00:41:06.389
like just stuff that you think about when you're

00:41:06.389 --> 00:41:09.829
a kid so it's imprinted on my mind like i loved

00:41:09.829 --> 00:41:12.130
his work before i knew who he was you know and

00:41:12.130 --> 00:41:15.889
i could spot it like in in places and uh i just

00:41:15.889 --> 00:41:20.949
think he's awesome absolutely I feel like I'm

00:41:20.949 --> 00:41:22.769
just coming to Harryhausen now. Like we talked

00:41:22.769 --> 00:41:25.230
about the Beast from 20 ,000 Fathoms earlier

00:41:25.230 --> 00:41:27.769
this year on the podcast. But yeah, I have so

00:41:27.769 --> 00:41:30.070
much more work to do to explore his movies. And

00:41:30.070 --> 00:41:33.349
I also love him. Like the special effects in

00:41:33.349 --> 00:41:35.110
this movie in particular, I'm getting a little

00:41:35.110 --> 00:41:37.449
ahead of myself, but just like so wonderful and

00:41:37.449 --> 00:41:40.210
fantastic and kind of whimsical, kind of scary

00:41:40.210 --> 00:41:42.989
at the same time. So that's all just to say that

00:41:42.989 --> 00:41:46.170
this is a good excuse for me to finally dive

00:41:46.170 --> 00:41:48.760
into his filmography. I feel like you could probably

00:41:48.760 --> 00:41:51.440
call Harryhausen like the auteur of this movie,

00:41:51.539 --> 00:41:53.460
like the driving creative force like you were

00:41:53.460 --> 00:41:55.500
talking about, Vincent. And it's just a good

00:41:55.500 --> 00:41:58.199
reminder that like any film production is so

00:41:58.199 --> 00:42:00.420
collaborative. And that probably sounds like

00:42:00.420 --> 00:42:02.380
an obvious thing to say. But I also think like

00:42:02.380 --> 00:42:04.659
a lot of people just assume that the director

00:42:04.659 --> 00:42:07.320
is kind of like the person in charge. And oftentimes

00:42:07.320 --> 00:42:09.760
that's the case, but not always. So I feel like

00:42:09.760 --> 00:42:12.719
this is just a good reminder that like. Every

00:42:12.719 --> 00:42:14.760
production probably is a little bit unique in

00:42:14.760 --> 00:42:16.900
terms of who's driving that vision and how that

00:42:16.900 --> 00:42:20.039
collaboration actually works. It's interesting

00:42:20.039 --> 00:42:23.519
and fun to talk about. Yeah. A little bit more

00:42:23.519 --> 00:42:27.900
about Ray Harryhausen just to let listeners know

00:42:27.900 --> 00:42:31.099
a little bit about his history. He was inspired

00:42:31.099 --> 00:42:35.320
to become the visual effects artist that he became

00:42:35.320 --> 00:42:38.099
when he was a kid and he saw King Kong in the

00:42:38.099 --> 00:42:40.559
theaters. And he was about 13 when he saw King

00:42:40.559 --> 00:42:44.210
Kong. And those visual effects were spearheaded

00:42:44.210 --> 00:42:50.349
by Willis O 'Brien. And he was the creator in

00:42:50.349 --> 00:42:53.630
charge. And Willis O 'Brien brought Kong to life

00:42:53.630 --> 00:42:57.130
through the art of stop motion, where you are

00:42:57.130 --> 00:43:03.710
manipulating a model, an armature, like a little

00:43:03.710 --> 00:43:06.849
version of King Kong, let's say, and you're moving

00:43:06.849 --> 00:43:11.050
an arm and a leg. Just like a fraction of an

00:43:11.050 --> 00:43:12.829
inch. And then you're going to take a picture

00:43:12.829 --> 00:43:15.969
of it on film. And then you move another arm

00:43:15.969 --> 00:43:18.449
and a leg. And then that way, like a flip book,

00:43:18.630 --> 00:43:22.590
the effect becomes movement. And I guess that's

00:43:22.590 --> 00:43:25.150
why they call it moving pictures. Good job, Vincent,

00:43:25.150 --> 00:43:30.570
there. But Willis O 'Brien is sort of the godfather

00:43:30.570 --> 00:43:36.110
of that technique. And actually... showed Harryhausen

00:43:36.110 --> 00:43:38.409
the ropes himself. Harryhausen came of age in

00:43:38.409 --> 00:43:43.409
LA and got to work with Willis O 'Brien as a

00:43:43.409 --> 00:43:47.170
mentor -mentee relationship on 1949's Mighty

00:43:47.170 --> 00:43:52.449
Joe Young. And later on, they collaborated again

00:43:52.449 --> 00:43:57.289
on The Animal World in 1956. But they are the

00:43:57.289 --> 00:44:03.489
two godfathers of that technique. Harryhausen

00:44:03.489 --> 00:44:07.230
went on and he kind of perfected his own style

00:44:07.230 --> 00:44:09.969
of the stop motion, which he dubbed Dynamation,

00:44:10.210 --> 00:44:13.010
which was a name actually coined by producer

00:44:13.010 --> 00:44:17.030
Charles Schneer. And Dynamation is just a little

00:44:17.030 --> 00:44:21.110
bit more than the surface level stop motion.

00:44:21.849 --> 00:44:25.070
Dynamation enables a superior form of compositing

00:44:25.070 --> 00:44:28.889
animated and live action elements more convincingly

00:44:28.889 --> 00:44:32.280
than ever. So it's not just the model. It's the

00:44:32.280 --> 00:44:35.920
background and the art direction and creating

00:44:35.920 --> 00:44:39.400
this miniature world for the camera in camera

00:44:39.400 --> 00:44:43.420
to obviously a time before computers. 20 Million

00:44:43.420 --> 00:44:45.579
Miles to Earth was the third collaboration then

00:44:45.579 --> 00:44:48.920
between Harryhausen and producer Charles Schneer.

00:44:49.460 --> 00:44:54.320
They were working at, I think, Paramount, Columbia,

00:44:54.539 --> 00:44:56.539
Columbia. Sorry, we'll get to that later in our

00:44:56.539 --> 00:45:00.969
production backstory. But Harryhausen. He worked

00:45:00.969 --> 00:45:05.030
in movies up until, I believe, 1982 with the

00:45:05.030 --> 00:45:08.550
release of Clash of the Titans. And then he retired

00:45:08.550 --> 00:45:12.269
from the business. But after four decades, his

00:45:12.269 --> 00:45:15.409
legacy looms large in the on -record influence

00:45:15.409 --> 00:45:18.090
of people like Steven Spielberg, George Lucas,

00:45:18.389 --> 00:45:22.050
Edgar Wright, Terry Gilliam, Peter Jackson. Special

00:45:22.050 --> 00:45:27.150
effects today and those directors, really, they

00:45:27.150 --> 00:45:30.389
will tell you they... It all started with watching

00:45:30.389 --> 00:45:35.050
Harryhausen's movies as kids. So Harryhausen,

00:45:35.070 --> 00:45:39.570
man, a legend. Yeah. Loved by famous directors

00:45:39.570 --> 00:45:43.050
all the way down to people like us and everyone

00:45:43.050 --> 00:45:49.329
in between. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. And I, so dynamation,

00:45:49.409 --> 00:45:51.030
I was trying to like find out a little bit more

00:45:51.030 --> 00:45:53.230
about it. I did find a really good YouTube video

00:45:53.230 --> 00:45:55.250
and I just wanted to mention that maybe we could

00:45:55.250 --> 00:45:57.090
put that in the show notes, Vincent, if that's

00:45:57.090 --> 00:45:58.550
doable. Cause it's a, it's pretty fascinating.

00:45:59.130 --> 00:46:01.409
Yeah, 100%. It's one of those things you just

00:46:01.409 --> 00:46:04.469
kind of got to watch it in motion and, and see

00:46:04.469 --> 00:46:07.409
an example of it to really understand the, the

00:46:07.409 --> 00:46:13.010
technical aspects of the, of the method. Exactly.

00:46:13.090 --> 00:46:16.719
I can't believe how much, you know, life they

00:46:16.719 --> 00:46:20.239
could infuse that slowly into inanimate objects

00:46:20.239 --> 00:46:22.639
over time you know it's just amazing that when

00:46:22.639 --> 00:46:25.239
it comes together it's actually like emotionally

00:46:25.239 --> 00:46:28.480
resonant and beautiful and and strange and interesting

00:46:28.480 --> 00:46:30.940
like just thinking about all the little moments

00:46:30.940 --> 00:46:33.940
like it's just bizarre that it's such artistry

00:46:33.940 --> 00:46:37.940
yeah and just real quick i need to give due credit

00:46:37.940 --> 00:46:43.159
to an artist named marcel delgado he built the

00:46:43.159 --> 00:46:46.579
model armatures for the creatures in King Kong.

00:46:46.820 --> 00:46:50.039
Willis O 'Brien then manipulated them. But I

00:46:50.039 --> 00:46:54.320
think Delgado gets looked over often, too often.

00:46:54.599 --> 00:46:56.559
So I just wanted to throw his name out there

00:46:56.559 --> 00:47:00.219
as an equal hand in the creation of Kong's creatures.

00:47:00.840 --> 00:47:04.460
I also, I read that Ray Harryhausen's dad made

00:47:04.460 --> 00:47:07.780
a lot of the armatures and like figures that

00:47:07.780 --> 00:47:12.760
appear in his films. Were you aware of that also,

00:47:12.820 --> 00:47:16.219
Vincent? Yeah, Harryhausen had a huge family

00:47:16.219 --> 00:47:19.559
support system. Like his parents totally encouraged

00:47:19.559 --> 00:47:23.300
him to chase his imagination. And his dad helped

00:47:23.300 --> 00:47:26.500
him in their garage, build these like models,

00:47:26.719 --> 00:47:31.699
taxidermied stuff, and just let his kid go wild.

00:47:32.159 --> 00:47:35.019
Yeah, listen to our, I will say listeners, we

00:47:35.019 --> 00:47:37.579
talk a lot more about Harryhausen, especially

00:47:37.579 --> 00:47:40.760
his relationship and friendship with Ray Bradbury.

00:47:41.389 --> 00:47:45.110
In our episode on 20. Sorry the beast from 20

00:47:45.110 --> 00:47:48.110
,000 fathoms. So listen to that episode for.

00:47:49.070 --> 00:47:52.929
Even more. Conversations on Harryhausen. Well

00:47:52.929 --> 00:47:54.570
I'm definitely going to. Because I don't know

00:47:54.570 --> 00:47:57.809
that much about him. I know more of his legacy.

00:47:57.849 --> 00:48:01.190
And his influence and things like that. But I

00:48:01.190 --> 00:48:03.610
love hearing those kind of. Details about his

00:48:03.610 --> 00:48:06.090
process. And his relationship with his family.

00:48:06.170 --> 00:48:10.280
That's so cool. And his daughter, now Vanessa

00:48:10.280 --> 00:48:14.059
Harryhausen, she's a big torchbearer for her

00:48:14.059 --> 00:48:17.300
dad's work and legacy. There's a great institution,

00:48:17.400 --> 00:48:21.400
and they have a podcast, the Ray and Diana Harryhausen

00:48:21.400 --> 00:48:25.699
Foundation. They're based in the UK, but they're

00:48:25.699 --> 00:48:31.119
the proprietors of his estate and his work and

00:48:31.119 --> 00:48:34.780
his legacy. And they have a touring art exhibit

00:48:34.780 --> 00:48:38.929
in museums. every so often of his own work. I'm

00:48:38.929 --> 00:48:41.610
always looking out if like they're having an

00:48:41.610 --> 00:48:44.570
exhibition in Minneapolis at some point, I'd

00:48:44.570 --> 00:48:46.610
love to go. But yeah, there's a whole bunch of

00:48:46.610 --> 00:48:50.349
stuff you can check out about Harryhausen. Man,

00:48:50.409 --> 00:48:52.650
I would be really cool to see some of that stuff.

00:48:52.789 --> 00:48:55.690
I almost wonder if, I know Del Toro, Guillermo

00:48:55.690 --> 00:48:58.969
Del Toro is a big fan. He had that exhibit a

00:48:58.969 --> 00:49:01.210
few years back that had a lot of his collection

00:49:01.210 --> 00:49:03.829
from, you know, his memorabilia and art and so

00:49:03.829 --> 00:49:06.429
forth. And I've heard him say some. you know,

00:49:06.429 --> 00:49:10.210
very warm things about Harryhausen. So I wonder

00:49:10.210 --> 00:49:13.590
if he has anything in his giant collection. He

00:49:13.590 --> 00:49:19.550
might. He would, if anybody. Yeah. Man, cool

00:49:19.550 --> 00:49:22.750
stuff. While I feel like the human cast of 20

00:49:22.750 --> 00:49:24.809
Million Miles to Earth maybe is less celebrated

00:49:24.809 --> 00:49:27.809
than the monsters that we see in the film, but,

00:49:27.889 --> 00:49:30.730
you know, they do some good work as well. Naomi,

00:49:30.809 --> 00:49:33.150
are you able to talk about some of the cast members

00:49:33.150 --> 00:49:36.769
of the film? Sure, I'd be happy to. So we've

00:49:36.769 --> 00:49:40.010
got William Hopper as Colonel Calder. He is the

00:49:40.010 --> 00:49:43.329
son of a Hollywood gossip columnist named Hedda

00:49:43.329 --> 00:49:46.789
Hopper. He apparently had said that he became

00:49:46.789 --> 00:49:49.670
an actor mostly at his mother's urging, but he

00:49:49.670 --> 00:49:51.630
didn't have a strong passion for it and even

00:49:51.630 --> 00:49:54.130
experienced some stage fright. So that's kind

00:49:54.130 --> 00:49:58.230
of interesting that he would wind up as an actor.

00:49:58.369 --> 00:50:01.289
But he starred in over 80 films, so he must have...

00:50:01.469 --> 00:50:03.550
you know, had ways to deal with that. During

00:50:03.550 --> 00:50:06.250
the 1930s and 40s, he ended up retiring from

00:50:06.250 --> 00:50:08.389
acting after serving in the Navy during World

00:50:08.389 --> 00:50:11.329
War II, but was convinced to return to Hollywood

00:50:11.329 --> 00:50:15.349
by director William Wellman. He appeared in Stagecoach,

00:50:15.389 --> 00:50:18.329
The Maltese Falcon, Yankee Doodle Dandy, and

00:50:18.329 --> 00:50:21.769
Rebel Without a Cause, in that he played James

00:50:21.769 --> 00:50:25.650
Dean's dad. And then we've got Joan Taylor as

00:50:25.650 --> 00:50:29.429
Marissa Leonardo. She's a longtime film and TV

00:50:29.429 --> 00:50:32.650
actress. She also starred in the previous Harryhausen

00:50:32.650 --> 00:50:35.630
collaboration, Earth vs. the Flying Saucers,

00:50:35.730 --> 00:50:38.210
and later appeared in the shows Peter Young,

00:50:38.429 --> 00:50:42.010
The Rifleman, and Gunsmoke. I haven't seen those,

00:50:42.150 --> 00:50:45.349
but I remember them being a thing. And then we've

00:50:45.349 --> 00:50:48.469
got Frank Puglia as Dr. Leonardo. He's an Italian

00:50:48.469 --> 00:50:51.809
actor who began in the silent era and was discovered

00:50:51.809 --> 00:50:55.300
by D .W. Griffith. He appeared in 240 films as

00:50:55.300 --> 00:50:58.519
an actor, including Casablanca, The Jungle Book,

00:50:58.679 --> 00:51:02.659
and now Voyager. And then last but not least,

00:51:02.820 --> 00:51:05.860
we've got little Bart Braverman as young Pepe.

00:51:06.219 --> 00:51:09.320
He's a child actor who appeared on shows like

00:51:09.320 --> 00:51:12.119
I Love Lucy and Rawhide. As an adult, he had

00:51:12.119 --> 00:51:14.820
occasional roles in films Alligator from 1980,

00:51:15.119 --> 00:51:17.119
which I'm dying to know who he played in that.

00:51:17.280 --> 00:51:21.340
And on TV, he was on Columbo, Seinfeld, and MASH.

00:51:22.440 --> 00:51:25.219
Yeah, he sounds like he had a long career across

00:51:25.219 --> 00:51:29.420
many different kinds of media. This is amazing.

00:51:29.679 --> 00:51:32.980
I just Googled Bart Braverman Seinfeld and I'm

00:51:32.980 --> 00:51:36.619
like, oh, OK. Who is he? I'm dying to know. What

00:51:36.619 --> 00:51:40.380
is it? I don't even know. It's just a just a

00:51:40.380 --> 00:51:42.840
random. Yeah. Yeah. I don't have time to do that

00:51:42.840 --> 00:51:46.599
right now, but I'd love that. And he's an alligator,

00:51:46.619 --> 00:51:49.800
too. We got to get Bart Braverman double feature

00:51:49.800 --> 00:51:56.320
going. This is an alligator. I love, I love reading

00:51:56.320 --> 00:51:58.440
about these actors and like the, all the different

00:51:58.440 --> 00:52:00.480
shows and like movies they appeared in. I'm like,

00:52:00.500 --> 00:52:02.679
yeah, it's just, it seems like a small world.

00:52:02.719 --> 00:52:05.119
And just the fact that like Joan Taylor was in

00:52:05.119 --> 00:52:07.860
like the previous Charles Schneer, Ray Harryhausen

00:52:07.860 --> 00:52:10.480
movie. It's like, I don't know. It's just cool

00:52:10.480 --> 00:52:12.340
to read about these communities of artists who

00:52:12.340 --> 00:52:14.420
like gravitate around each other. You know, I

00:52:14.420 --> 00:52:18.159
love that. Yeah, totally. That's very interesting.

00:52:19.400 --> 00:52:21.559
And I also want to know who we played in Seinfeld.

00:52:21.579 --> 00:52:24.440
Apparently a character named Zubin. I don't remember

00:52:24.440 --> 00:52:27.500
exactly who that was, but for any Seinfeld fans

00:52:27.500 --> 00:52:31.619
out there, maybe that rings a bell. I love Seinfeld,

00:52:31.619 --> 00:52:34.739
but I can't remember all the little people in

00:52:34.739 --> 00:52:38.219
it, but that's cool. And obviously there are

00:52:38.219 --> 00:52:40.559
more people in the cast as well, but no huge

00:52:40.559 --> 00:52:43.139
names in this one. Again, it's mostly about...

00:52:43.550 --> 00:52:45.769
Ymir, which is the name of the monster in the

00:52:45.769 --> 00:52:48.289
movie, although he's never referred to by name

00:52:48.289 --> 00:52:50.429
in the movie, but, you know, he kind of takes

00:52:50.429 --> 00:52:52.630
top billing in this one. So Columbia's previous

00:52:52.630 --> 00:52:56.190
monster movie in 1957 was called The Giant Claw,

00:52:56.329 --> 00:52:58.989
and it unfortunately did not do very well for

00:52:58.989 --> 00:53:01.670
the studio. It received a lot of negative reviews.

00:53:02.210 --> 00:53:05.190
It did pretty poorly at the box office. And one

00:53:05.190 --> 00:53:07.289
of the main reasons for that is because the producers

00:53:07.289 --> 00:53:09.989
wanted to hire Harryhausen, but they did not

00:53:09.989 --> 00:53:11.590
have the budget for it. And then, of course,

00:53:11.650 --> 00:53:13.650
the movie came out and the reviews were very

00:53:13.650 --> 00:53:16.050
much like, what are, you know, the one thing

00:53:16.050 --> 00:53:18.429
this movie is designed for, the monster effects

00:53:18.429 --> 00:53:20.969
are terrible. Don't see this movie. So I just

00:53:20.969 --> 00:53:23.090
think that's kind of interesting, like, you know,

00:53:23.090 --> 00:53:26.710
not investing in an artist like Ray Harryhausen

00:53:26.710 --> 00:53:28.750
certainly has a negative consequence on the film.

00:53:29.130 --> 00:53:32.170
As a result, Columbia tried to kind of bring

00:53:32.170 --> 00:53:35.010
a little more prestige. to 20 million miles to

00:53:35.010 --> 00:53:39.449
earth by hiring Harryhausen on this one. Well,

00:53:39.550 --> 00:53:42.050
it makes you wonder if this film didn't have

00:53:42.050 --> 00:53:44.929
Harryhausen on board, if it would be, you know,

00:53:44.929 --> 00:53:47.690
in the, you know, B movie boneyard with the giant

00:53:47.690 --> 00:53:50.969
claw, you know, I bet it would have been. Probably

00:53:50.969 --> 00:53:53.670
because, yeah, we might talk about the script

00:53:53.670 --> 00:53:55.590
writing and the story and some of the characters

00:53:55.590 --> 00:53:57.510
in this movie, which might not be quite at the

00:53:57.510 --> 00:54:00.050
same level, but more on that later. For sure.

00:54:01.960 --> 00:54:06.320
The concept was based on a Harryhausen idea called

00:54:06.320 --> 00:54:09.480
the Cyclops, which was initially set in Chicago.

00:54:09.739 --> 00:54:13.440
Love this fact with the spaceship crash landing

00:54:13.440 --> 00:54:16.860
in Lake Michigan. But Harryhausen, at the last

00:54:16.860 --> 00:54:20.659
second before he submitted the final draft to

00:54:20.659 --> 00:54:25.079
Schneer, changed the location from the Great

00:54:25.079 --> 00:54:29.239
Lakes to the Mediterranean because Harryhausen,

00:54:29.300 --> 00:54:32.030
he wanted to travel. And he didn't have the money

00:54:32.030 --> 00:54:35.510
to do so any other way. And I say, good for you,

00:54:35.570 --> 00:54:39.010
man. That's awesome. Get the company to pay for

00:54:39.010 --> 00:54:43.090
a trip to Italy. Absolutely. Bit of a Roman holiday

00:54:43.090 --> 00:54:48.369
kind of vibe there. But his own spin on it. Kind

00:54:48.369 --> 00:54:51.590
of a good double feature. That'd be an amazing

00:54:51.590 --> 00:54:53.690
double feature. I wonder if Pierre looked at

00:54:53.690 --> 00:54:58.610
that and said, Ray, you. All right. I guess I

00:54:58.610 --> 00:55:01.250
want to go to Italy, too. Let's do it. Yeah,

00:55:01.289 --> 00:55:06.449
not Chicago. So Harryhausen actually came up

00:55:06.449 --> 00:55:09.610
with the idea of 20 million miles to Earth. He's

00:55:09.610 --> 00:55:13.210
not credited in the story. That goes that credit

00:55:13.210 --> 00:55:16.769
goes to Charlotte Knight. She gets sole credit

00:55:16.769 --> 00:55:20.550
despite Harryhausen's initial idea. But that's

00:55:20.550 --> 00:55:23.550
OK. Harryhausen, you know, he was very humble

00:55:23.550 --> 00:55:25.289
about it. He's like, I didn't need that credit.

00:55:25.329 --> 00:55:28.449
So he's probably just happy to see it come to

00:55:28.449 --> 00:55:31.570
life, you know. yeah he was in rome he was like

00:55:31.570 --> 00:55:34.469
on cloud nine you know he's feeling yeah good

00:55:34.469 --> 00:55:37.710
point and he did come up with the name the emir

00:55:37.710 --> 00:55:40.889
but like matt you said this was not used in the

00:55:40.889 --> 00:55:45.909
final film because harryhausen was notified that

00:55:45.909 --> 00:55:52.449
there was a royal okay let me rephrase this emir

00:55:52.449 --> 00:55:56.869
y -m -i -r is apparently from norse mythology

00:55:56.869 --> 00:56:00.480
it's a figure But Harryhausen was reluctant to

00:56:00.480 --> 00:56:03.260
include the name in the film out of fear that

00:56:03.260 --> 00:56:07.780
viewers might mishear it as Ymir, essentially

00:56:07.780 --> 00:56:10.079
the same pronunciation, which is a royal title

00:56:10.079 --> 00:56:14.320
in Arabic culture. So Harryhausen didn't want

00:56:14.320 --> 00:56:17.400
any, I guess, confusion around the meaning of

00:56:17.400 --> 00:56:20.559
the name, which is why it was left out. But there

00:56:20.559 --> 00:56:27.000
you have it. Still the Ymir today. And this Ymir.

00:56:27.599 --> 00:56:31.760
was initially in early concept drafts and drawings

00:56:31.760 --> 00:56:35.380
from Harryhausen. It was like a cycloptic monster

00:56:35.380 --> 00:56:41.300
design, but Harryhausen eventually refined it

00:56:41.300 --> 00:56:47.739
to a more reptilian design, yet giving it a humanoid

00:56:47.739 --> 00:56:52.219
waist and chest, especially, and facial features

00:56:52.219 --> 00:56:57.340
to elicit sympathy from the viewers. Mission

00:56:57.340 --> 00:57:01.460
accomplished, I think. Yeah, agreed. One of the

00:57:01.460 --> 00:57:03.079
plot holes in the movie, I would say, is that

00:57:03.079 --> 00:57:05.619
one of the military guys says that the creature

00:57:05.619 --> 00:57:08.000
is hard to kill because it doesn't have a heart

00:57:08.000 --> 00:57:10.659
or lungs. But then we see the creature breathing

00:57:10.659 --> 00:57:13.559
very obviously as if it has lungs. So that's

00:57:13.559 --> 00:57:15.400
one of the things where it's like, all right,

00:57:15.420 --> 00:57:18.199
maybe logic is not foolproof throughout the entire

00:57:18.199 --> 00:57:21.880
film. But yeah, I mean, if the monster does elicit

00:57:21.880 --> 00:57:24.630
such sympathy. then it's kind of like, who wants

00:57:24.630 --> 00:57:27.210
to nitpick about that? Because the design is

00:57:27.210 --> 00:57:30.369
still so effective. Totally. And I think just

00:57:30.369 --> 00:57:35.150
how it came into being automatically makes you

00:57:35.150 --> 00:57:40.070
feel for it. It's a little baby that is in a

00:57:40.070 --> 00:57:45.090
hostile place. And even before it has facial

00:57:45.090 --> 00:57:49.130
features, I still feel for it. Yeah, that little

00:57:49.130 --> 00:57:54.519
guy. That's cute. Yeah. Even when it grows to

00:57:54.519 --> 00:57:57.139
full size, it's kind of cute, I would say. Right.

00:57:57.320 --> 00:58:00.860
He's a child in a hostile world, you know? Yeah,

00:58:00.880 --> 00:58:03.019
yeah. We'll probably talk a little bit more about

00:58:03.019 --> 00:58:06.619
that later as well. So the setting was changed

00:58:06.619 --> 00:58:09.119
to Rome, as we already said, before production

00:58:09.119 --> 00:58:13.480
began in September of 1956, because of that dream

00:58:13.480 --> 00:58:17.420
that Harryhausen has of going on vacation. So,

00:58:17.420 --> 00:58:19.920
but then it moved to Hollywood and lasting from

00:58:19.920 --> 00:58:23.179
October 30th to November 9th. So it was about

00:58:23.179 --> 00:58:26.739
10, 10 days there, 10, 11 days. The Italian sequences

00:58:26.739 --> 00:58:30.000
were directed by Harryhausen engineer while Duran

00:58:30.000 --> 00:58:32.659
directed only the American shot scenes. They

00:58:32.659 --> 00:58:35.000
received permission to shoot at the actual Coliseum,

00:58:35.059 --> 00:58:37.440
which is just crazy. Like that's pretty cool.

00:58:38.280 --> 00:58:40.440
You know, if you're going to shoot in Rome, that

00:58:40.440 --> 00:58:43.079
would be the place for sure. Yeah. When in Rome.

00:58:44.280 --> 00:58:50.280
Oh my gosh. Had to happen at some point. It had

00:58:50.280 --> 00:58:56.480
to. I'm just mad I didn't think of it. So we

00:58:56.480 --> 00:58:58.099
already talked a little bit about the dynamation

00:58:58.099 --> 00:59:00.099
process. Again, we'll maybe link to this YouTube

00:59:00.099 --> 00:59:03.510
video, but you know, I think you can see. the

00:59:03.510 --> 00:59:05.530
difference in this film compared to some other

00:59:05.530 --> 00:59:08.170
earlier, you know, stop motion animation and

00:59:08.170 --> 00:59:11.210
like, like composite shooting in earlier movies,

00:59:11.250 --> 00:59:13.409
including King Kong, which of course was so groundbreaking

00:59:13.409 --> 00:59:17.130
and, and innovative, but you compare like the,

00:59:17.170 --> 00:59:19.369
the stop motion effects in that movie to the,

00:59:19.469 --> 00:59:23.090
in my opinion, very seamless, beautifully shot,

00:59:23.170 --> 00:59:26.070
like stop motion effects in this movie. And you

00:59:26.070 --> 00:59:27.889
can absolutely tell the difference with this

00:59:27.889 --> 00:59:30.170
dynamation process. It looks amazing in my opinion.

00:59:30.730 --> 00:59:33.610
Indeed, seamless. One of those scenes for me

00:59:33.610 --> 00:59:38.909
is the Ymir is trapped in a barn at night and

00:59:38.909 --> 00:59:42.510
it's attacked by a dog played by a real dog actor.

00:59:42.869 --> 00:59:45.849
Now, some backstory behind this. Harryhausen

00:59:45.849 --> 00:59:50.190
had a model and had initially animated the dog,

00:59:50.289 --> 00:59:53.329
but he wasn't happy with the way the four legged

00:59:53.329 --> 00:59:55.829
creature was turning out. And he says four legged

00:59:55.829 --> 00:59:59.400
animals are much harder to animate. So he cut

00:59:59.400 --> 01:00:02.440
the whole animated dog and it was Harryhausen's

01:00:02.440 --> 01:00:06.800
decision to shoot the scene as shadow, as shadow

01:00:06.800 --> 01:00:09.719
work, shadow fighting, which is the, what you

01:00:09.719 --> 01:00:12.000
see in the finished product, the shadow of the

01:00:12.000 --> 01:00:15.519
dog attacking the Ymir, which I think is a winning

01:00:15.519 --> 01:00:17.960
shot. Like that's, it leaves so much to the imagination

01:00:17.960 --> 01:00:22.739
that way. And then Matt too, you brought up the

01:00:22.739 --> 01:00:24.920
breathing, which is really funny. Harryhausen

01:00:24.920 --> 01:00:28.880
said that To create the effect of the breathing

01:00:28.880 --> 01:00:32.099
in the model, he took one of those blood pressure

01:00:32.099 --> 01:00:34.860
pumps, like you put around your arm. He put it

01:00:34.860 --> 01:00:37.000
inside and then it would just pump it up and

01:00:37.000 --> 01:00:39.340
pump it down. Then later on, he says he like

01:00:39.340 --> 01:00:41.820
stopped doing that in his creatures, like having

01:00:41.820 --> 01:00:44.280
them breathe and blink. Kind of in retrospect,

01:00:44.480 --> 01:00:47.800
he admitted like, well, then my creatures were

01:00:47.800 --> 01:00:51.139
a little less lifelike. So that breathing and

01:00:51.139 --> 01:00:54.400
blinking of the Ymir, I agree, gives it so much

01:00:54.400 --> 01:00:57.900
life. And it really sells the illusion. Illusion.

01:00:57.900 --> 01:01:00.699
Totally. Even things you don't totally see, like,

01:01:00.699 --> 01:01:03.179
you know, just certain little mannerisms and

01:01:03.179 --> 01:01:06.480
the way that you just really appreciate his eye

01:01:06.480 --> 01:01:10.059
for detail, I think. And it brings you into the

01:01:10.059 --> 01:01:12.300
story a little bit more and into the character

01:01:12.300 --> 01:01:15.670
a little more, I think. Yeah. Totally agree.

01:01:15.809 --> 01:01:17.469
Yeah. I think one of my favorite examples of

01:01:17.469 --> 01:01:19.849
that is like, I think the first time we see the

01:01:19.849 --> 01:01:22.650
little Ymir before it grows to immense size,

01:01:22.809 --> 01:01:25.389
it's in this cage and it kind of wakes up and

01:01:25.389 --> 01:01:27.469
it almost like yawns and like blinks and like

01:01:27.469 --> 01:01:29.849
rubs its eyes a little bit. And again, that just

01:01:29.849 --> 01:01:32.389
adds so much humanity for lack of a better word

01:01:32.389 --> 01:01:35.210
to it. Like, you know, an emotion and personality

01:01:35.210 --> 01:01:37.809
and little touches like that go a long way and,

01:01:37.849 --> 01:01:40.250
you know, bringing a surprising level of like

01:01:40.250 --> 01:01:42.809
emotional resonance to this movie. I'm thinking

01:01:42.809 --> 01:01:47.789
about. Like if little monsters were real, you're

01:01:47.789 --> 01:01:49.630
thinking about like the little Ymir or you're

01:01:49.630 --> 01:01:54.150
thinking about the the the gremlin, the the first

01:01:54.150 --> 01:01:57.989
mogwai. Gizmo. Gizmo. Oh, my gosh. Gizmo and

01:01:57.989 --> 01:02:01.769
the Ymir. I'm sure there are others in movie

01:02:01.769 --> 01:02:04.849
history. I like like their little pets, like

01:02:04.849 --> 01:02:06.809
you would just love to carry them around with

01:02:06.809 --> 01:02:11.659
you all day. I would. Except as a kid, I was

01:02:11.659 --> 01:02:14.800
very afraid of E .T., but in retrospect, I think

01:02:14.800 --> 01:02:18.440
that I would probably like a little butt like

01:02:18.440 --> 01:02:24.380
that. Yeah. Like Lilo in Lilo and Stitch, that

01:02:24.380 --> 01:02:26.780
might be another example, although that's animated,

01:02:27.059 --> 01:02:30.360
so maybe not the same thing. Stitch is the creature.

01:02:30.960 --> 01:02:33.260
Oh, you're right. I'm sorry. Yeah. I haven't

01:02:33.260 --> 01:02:34.500
seen that in a long time. Yep, you're right.

01:02:35.099 --> 01:02:37.679
We're just like the whole dynamic between like

01:02:37.679 --> 01:02:41.739
in the Mandalorian, between Grogu and the Mandalorian.

01:02:41.780 --> 01:02:44.119
You know, he's just like that baby Yoda is so

01:02:44.119 --> 01:02:46.199
cute. You know, there you go. I knew there were

01:02:46.199 --> 01:02:52.599
others. Yeah. There's probably a meetup at Comic

01:02:52.599 --> 01:02:57.719
-Con. Yeah. Yeah. All right. And I finally figured

01:02:57.719 --> 01:02:59.380
out what my Halloween costume is going to be.

01:03:00.099 --> 01:03:04.980
Yes. Yes. Perfect. Perfect. Well, 20 Million

01:03:04.980 --> 01:03:08.059
Miles to Earth came out in 1957 and it was a

01:03:08.059 --> 01:03:11.340
commercial success. It ended up being Harryhausen's

01:03:11.340 --> 01:03:13.960
favorite of his own films, he later said. Critical

01:03:13.960 --> 01:03:16.599
reviews at the time were maybe not quite as enthusiastic.

01:03:17.059 --> 01:03:19.559
Most of them did note the excitement of the stop

01:03:19.559 --> 01:03:22.139
-motion animation and the creature effects, along

01:03:22.139 --> 01:03:24.099
with the poorly written script and the bland

01:03:24.099 --> 01:03:26.800
performances. A sort of representative review

01:03:26.800 --> 01:03:29.519
at the time from Harrison's reports. wrote that

01:03:29.519 --> 01:03:31.360
it is one of the better science fiction thrillers

01:03:31.360 --> 01:03:33.420
mainly because of the exceptionally good special

01:03:33.420 --> 01:03:36.019
effects work and the interesting Italian background,

01:03:36.300 --> 01:03:39.340
particularly the streets of Rome, which I would

01:03:39.340 --> 01:03:42.800
agree with that assessment. I had only seen this

01:03:42.800 --> 01:03:45.780
movie in its original black and white, but online

01:03:45.780 --> 01:03:49.559
I was seeing colored images and stills from the

01:03:49.559 --> 01:03:51.800
film. And I was like, what is that? And I know

01:03:51.800 --> 01:03:54.000
like in the 90s, it was like kind of a fad for

01:03:54.000 --> 01:03:58.550
a little bit to colorize classic movies. But

01:03:58.550 --> 01:04:02.989
in this Ray Harryhausen collection I have, the

01:04:02.989 --> 01:04:05.670
release for 20 Million Miles to Earth does include

01:04:05.670 --> 01:04:09.690
the colorized version. So I thought, OK, well,

01:04:09.789 --> 01:04:12.889
I'll watch that version. I think the color is

01:04:12.889 --> 01:04:16.489
really seamless, more or less, which is refreshing.

01:04:16.710 --> 01:04:19.150
It's not like it's not gaudy, doesn't draw attention

01:04:19.150 --> 01:04:24.090
to itself. But in the mid 2000s, with Harryhausen's

01:04:24.090 --> 01:04:28.219
supervision, he worked with. a restoration company

01:04:28.219 --> 01:04:33.000
to colorize this film and several others that

01:04:33.000 --> 01:04:36.179
were originally in black and white. And Harryhausen,

01:04:36.260 --> 01:04:39.619
again, in these behind the scenes clips, he's

01:04:39.619 --> 01:04:42.059
asked, you know, would you have colored it if

01:04:42.059 --> 01:04:45.320
you could have? And he's emphatic saying, yes,

01:04:45.400 --> 01:04:48.659
absolutely. Color lends to the imagination. Like,

01:04:48.699 --> 01:04:51.519
cause he's thinking about the fantasy and, but

01:04:51.519 --> 01:04:53.159
they didn't have the budget back then. He said

01:04:53.159 --> 01:04:55.360
it would have doubled the budget. It was just.

01:04:55.920 --> 01:04:59.699
not feasible i think seventh voyage of simbad

01:04:59.699 --> 01:05:02.280
was his first colored film and then it and then

01:05:02.280 --> 01:05:04.159
he never went back to black and white i think

01:05:04.159 --> 01:05:07.719
after 20 million miles but i just found it really

01:05:07.719 --> 01:05:10.039
fascinating and especially that he was involved

01:05:10.039 --> 01:05:12.380
so it wasn't just somebody trying to cash in

01:05:12.380 --> 01:05:15.559
on his legacy he was right there directing the

01:05:15.559 --> 01:05:19.239
art just like he had always done so i that's

01:05:19.239 --> 01:05:22.340
super interesting and i would look into it like

01:05:22.340 --> 01:05:24.940
just on that alone because the black and white

01:05:24.940 --> 01:05:27.059
really worked for me like I liked the black and

01:05:27.059 --> 01:05:30.239
white I thought that you know it made the animation

01:05:30.239 --> 01:05:32.719
you know feel really sculptural and you see all

01:05:32.719 --> 01:05:35.460
these textures and shadows and you know just

01:05:35.460 --> 01:05:39.119
the weight of that animation but now that I know

01:05:39.119 --> 01:05:41.320
that he was kind of on board with that I would

01:05:41.320 --> 01:05:43.659
take a look I would watch it next time I watch

01:05:43.659 --> 01:05:46.159
it it'll be in color and I'll see what that feels

01:05:46.159 --> 01:05:48.900
like yeah I think it's worth it I'll just get

01:05:48.900 --> 01:05:52.019
ahead of myself in my good category I love the

01:05:52.019 --> 01:05:54.000
black and I love the shadow work in this play,

01:05:54.039 --> 01:05:57.260
the lighting. And I think, I think you do lose

01:05:57.260 --> 01:05:59.139
that with the color. So I'll agree with you there.

01:05:59.539 --> 01:06:02.980
I think this movie made in black and white was

01:06:02.980 --> 01:06:05.840
shot for black and white. And it just adds so

01:06:05.840 --> 01:06:10.099
much atmosphere to it. So agree. Yeah. Yeah.

01:06:10.460 --> 01:06:13.619
Same. I always love to see black and white and.

01:06:14.059 --> 01:06:16.500
I'm a little torn. I mean, like it always like

01:06:16.500 --> 01:06:18.320
pains me a little bit to hear that black and

01:06:18.320 --> 01:06:20.519
white movies are colorized. But, you know, if

01:06:20.519 --> 01:06:22.079
you're going to do it, might as well have like

01:06:22.079 --> 01:06:24.320
one of the original artists there to supervise

01:06:24.320 --> 01:06:26.619
the process. So I'm intrigued to see the color

01:06:26.619 --> 01:06:30.380
version as well. Yeah. So I wonder if you screen

01:06:30.380 --> 01:06:34.019
it for students or kids, would you pick the black

01:06:34.019 --> 01:06:37.039
and white or the color? Oh, that's such a good

01:06:37.039 --> 01:06:39.340
question. I was presented with that question

01:06:39.340 --> 01:06:41.820
this past weekend, hanging out with my nieces

01:06:41.820 --> 01:06:44.400
and nephew. They did not opt to watch this movie,

01:06:44.500 --> 01:06:47.500
but I was thinking if they wanted to, I would

01:06:47.500 --> 01:06:52.320
show them color because I'm just, I'm not going

01:06:52.320 --> 01:06:54.960
to be precious about black and white versus color.

01:06:55.300 --> 01:06:58.219
I want them to have a gateway into this genre.

01:06:58.619 --> 01:07:01.139
And if color is the way to do it, then that's

01:07:01.139 --> 01:07:04.429
okay. Yeah, totally. I get that. I think that

01:07:04.429 --> 01:07:06.170
makes sense. That's what I expected to hear.

01:07:06.570 --> 01:07:14.190
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in the show notes. Vincent, what do we have in

01:07:40.260 --> 01:07:43.320
Minya's mailbox today? We have a comment from

01:07:43.320 --> 01:07:48.960
AlexanderOfficial3000 on YouTube in response

01:07:48.960 --> 01:07:52.340
to our episode about the Beast from 20 ,000 Fathoms.

01:07:53.659 --> 01:07:57.559
Alexander says, I loved what I heard. Also, they

01:07:57.559 --> 01:08:01.369
had a similar scene in Godzilla 1998. All right,

01:08:01.389 --> 01:08:03.210
so he quotes a line from the movie. We don't

01:08:03.210 --> 01:08:06.130
know. It just disappeared. He goes on to say,

01:08:06.170 --> 01:08:07.889
people hate this line, but you forget that the

01:08:07.889 --> 01:08:10.849
monster can burrow underground. So at least Mr.

01:08:11.070 --> 01:08:14.269
Zilla had an excuse for disappearing. Do y 'all

01:08:14.269 --> 01:08:18.569
remember the Godzilla from 1998? Barely. Yeah,

01:08:18.670 --> 01:08:24.970
same. If you rewatch it, it bears a striking

01:08:24.970 --> 01:08:28.619
resemblance to... The Beast from 20 ,000 Fathoms,

01:08:28.619 --> 01:08:31.340
like the monster, but also the whole kind of

01:08:31.340 --> 01:08:34.560
conceit and storyline. Less so to Godzilla, more

01:08:34.560 --> 01:08:38.159
so to the Beast from 20 ,000 Fathoms. So it's

01:08:38.159 --> 01:08:40.319
just like a really interesting thought about

01:08:40.319 --> 01:08:43.819
where Godzilla 98 got most of its influence.

01:08:44.520 --> 01:08:46.159
I feel like we're going to have to bring the

01:08:46.159 --> 01:08:48.579
1998 Godzilla to the podcast at some point because

01:08:48.579 --> 01:08:51.199
like it is critically reviled. But I don't know,

01:08:51.220 --> 01:08:54.220
I feel like maybe with. 30 years of hindsight,

01:08:54.380 --> 01:08:56.439
almost like, I don't know. It probably holds

01:08:56.439 --> 01:08:58.979
up a little bit better. You know, people say

01:08:58.979 --> 01:09:01.640
it's a great Kaiju movie, a terrible Godzilla

01:09:01.640 --> 01:09:05.880
movie. So yeah, I think it's, it's ripe for discussion.

01:09:06.140 --> 01:09:09.720
Thank you, Alexander on YouTube and everyone

01:09:09.720 --> 01:09:12.859
else, please keep the comments are coming. We,

01:09:12.960 --> 01:09:16.680
we appreciate it. Uh, how, how's Peter doing?

01:09:17.119 --> 01:09:19.930
Sorry if I beat you to the punch there. No, that's

01:09:19.930 --> 01:09:21.649
okay. Peter, you know, he's not here tonight.

01:09:21.810 --> 01:09:25.170
He ran out to get something for a Halloween party

01:09:25.170 --> 01:09:27.350
coming up. I don't know what he's got cooking.

01:09:27.649 --> 01:09:30.569
Maybe it wouldn't agree with me anyways. But

01:09:30.569 --> 01:09:33.890
when he comes back, he is going to talk about

01:09:33.890 --> 01:09:39.289
1944's Return of the Ape Man, a Poverty Row picture

01:09:39.289 --> 01:09:43.029
starring Bela Lugosi and John Carradine. And

01:09:43.029 --> 01:09:47.659
our letterboxd synopsis for this one reads, The

01:09:47.659 --> 01:09:50.819
discovery of a perfectly preserved caveman prompts

01:09:50.819 --> 01:09:54.960
a mad scientist to attempt a daring brain transplant.

01:09:56.060 --> 01:09:59.680
Right there. Cavemen, mad scientists, and brain

01:09:59.680 --> 01:10:03.279
transplants. How can you go wrong? And an ape

01:10:03.279 --> 01:10:06.100
man? Who knows? They're throwing it all in there.

01:10:06.539 --> 01:10:09.659
And Bela Lugosi? It's everything you need. That's

01:10:09.659 --> 01:10:12.460
amazing. It's everything you need. Sounds good.

01:10:13.060 --> 01:10:16.520
Yeah. Scientifically valid, I'm sure. I can only

01:10:16.520 --> 01:10:18.659
guess. Well, awesome. I can't wait to hear more

01:10:18.659 --> 01:10:20.960
about that from Peter. Thank you, Peter, as always.

01:10:21.039 --> 01:10:34.880
Hope you're doing okay. Welcome to the Poverty

01:10:34.880 --> 01:10:38.880
Row Studios on the other side of Hollywood. Yes,

01:10:39.100 --> 01:10:42.539
when the stars were dimmer and the red carpets

01:10:42.539 --> 01:10:45.800
dripped with blood. Together we will watch the

01:10:45.800 --> 01:10:48.819
best of the worst, movies known for their limited

01:10:48.819 --> 01:10:52.539
budgets, outlandish concepts, and questionable

01:10:52.539 --> 01:10:55.819
performances. But with enough haunted houses,

01:10:56.039 --> 01:10:59.220
zombies, ape men, and devil bats to keep you

01:10:59.220 --> 01:11:03.000
up at night, this is the Poverty Row Picture

01:11:03.000 --> 01:11:06.399
Show, and I dare you to sleep through these nightmares.

01:11:12.489 --> 01:11:15.829
And what a nightmare my life has become. The

01:11:15.829 --> 01:11:20.010
fish heads have disappeared. Vincent does not,

01:11:20.010 --> 01:11:23.510
does not keep them in the house. Oh, my goodness.

01:11:23.569 --> 01:11:26.010
I hate to say this, but I might be missing that

01:11:26.010 --> 01:11:30.590
rat bastard known as Matthew Levine. Don't panic,

01:11:30.770 --> 01:11:34.890
Peter. Let's see. What does Vincent have in here?

01:11:35.850 --> 01:11:41.329
Let me see. Oh, yes. What is this? Pizza rolls.

01:11:42.380 --> 01:11:45.880
All righty, well, well, when in Rome, let me

01:11:45.880 --> 01:11:48.960
just pop them into this here microwave oven.

01:11:49.399 --> 01:12:00.039
Mmm, six rolls, one minute and 15 seconds. Oh,

01:12:00.119 --> 01:12:03.779
oh, oh, my, my heart, it is, it is only you.

01:12:04.060 --> 01:12:07.300
Friends, this is, this is my new animal companion,

01:12:07.760 --> 01:12:12.890
the raven. who taps on my window and demands

01:12:12.890 --> 01:12:17.869
I recite the words to its favorite poem. Once

01:12:17.869 --> 01:12:22.909
upon a midnight dreary, while I pondered weak

01:12:22.909 --> 01:12:27.149
and weary, over many a quaint and curious volume

01:12:27.149 --> 01:12:32.010
of forgotten worry, while I nodded, nearly napping,

01:12:32.149 --> 01:12:35.390
suddenly there came a tapping, as of someone

01:12:35.390 --> 01:12:40.539
gently rapping. Rapping at my chamber door. Tis,

01:12:40.539 --> 01:12:44.239
tis some visitor, I muttered. Tapping at my chamber

01:12:44.239 --> 01:12:49.420
door. Only this and, and nothing more. There,

01:12:49.500 --> 01:12:53.119
there it is. Raven friend, you only get one stanza

01:12:53.119 --> 01:12:56.479
an episode. Now I scratched your, your little

01:12:56.479 --> 01:12:59.399
flea bitten back and now you must, you must help

01:12:59.399 --> 01:13:04.420
me review my own bit of, bit of art. Return of

01:13:04.420 --> 01:13:09.479
the Ape Man. Yes, a 1944 Bela Lugosi film from

01:13:09.479 --> 01:13:12.819
Monogram Pictures. Now this movie, believe it

01:13:12.819 --> 01:13:16.699
or not, is not a sequel to Lugosi's earlier film,

01:13:16.880 --> 01:13:20.680
The Ape Man, in which he plays a wayward scientist

01:13:20.680 --> 01:13:23.859
who inadvertently turns himself into a gorilla.

01:13:24.319 --> 01:13:28.140
No, no, no, this picture is way more serious.

01:13:28.159 --> 01:13:32.060
Yes, it is about a mad scientist who uncovers

01:13:32.060 --> 01:13:36.649
a caveman and a block of ice. After the prehistoric

01:13:36.649 --> 01:13:39.710
man is thawed, Lugosi takes the brain of his

01:13:39.710 --> 01:13:42.829
assistant, played by John Carradine, and places

01:13:42.829 --> 01:13:47.289
it in the caveman. Yes, now things really start

01:13:47.289 --> 01:13:52.310
to rock as Lugosi bids the caveman do his nefarious

01:13:52.310 --> 01:13:58.250
bidding. Perhaps because of the ludicrous concept,

01:13:58.710 --> 01:14:02.470
Return of the Ape Man absolutely works as a bit

01:14:02.470 --> 01:14:07.100
of camp thrills. Yes, the camp is off the charts

01:14:07.100 --> 01:14:09.739
with this one, and it moves briskly through its

01:14:09.739 --> 01:14:13.739
60 -minute runtime. Not a comedy, mind you. No,

01:14:13.800 --> 01:14:17.479
no, just a serious movie about the caveman with

01:14:17.479 --> 01:14:20.000
the brain of a scientist. What could be better?

01:14:20.260 --> 01:14:24.500
Now, now, it is not often that I give the old

01:14:24.500 --> 01:14:27.840
stamp of glory to a picture on this here show,

01:14:27.979 --> 01:14:31.939
but old Peter Lorre here, he's gonna do it. Next

01:14:31.939 --> 01:14:34.880
time on the show. We will discuss another 1944

01:14:34.880 --> 01:14:39.680
film called The Girl Who Dared. Do ye press play

01:14:39.680 --> 01:14:44.600
on this bad mamma jamma? Oh, yes, well, if you

01:14:44.600 --> 01:14:47.819
will excuse me, listeners, pizza rolls are ready.

01:14:48.899 --> 01:14:51.239
Let's see what this is all about. Ow, ow, ow,

01:14:51.239 --> 01:15:03.380
ow, hot, hot, hot. Once upon a night. Two wisps

01:15:03.380 --> 01:15:06.899
of smoke were out on a lark, a witch and her

01:15:06.899 --> 01:15:10.920
father. Goodbye, Father. Goodbye, Jennifer. I'll

01:15:10.920 --> 01:15:14.060
be a bad girl. Her first night was a calamity,

01:15:14.060 --> 01:15:17.239
but she was rescued by a very handsome man. Oh,

01:15:17.239 --> 01:15:20.579
I'm cold. Cold in this tunis? But I have no clothes.

01:15:20.880 --> 01:15:24.819
No clothes. Now, this little witch was no ordinary

01:15:24.819 --> 01:15:29.199
witch. Oh, no. She was beautiful and did the

01:15:29.199 --> 01:15:32.819
strangest things. But she had a terrible time

01:15:32.819 --> 01:15:36.039
making the right man fall in love with her. I

01:15:36.039 --> 01:15:39.159
am a pretty good judge of character. I don't

01:15:39.159 --> 01:15:42.300
think you're really a bad girl. I guess this

01:15:42.300 --> 01:15:44.619
will take longer than I planned. It's getting

01:15:44.619 --> 01:15:50.140
late. But I want you to know what I am. All right.

01:15:50.300 --> 01:15:55.350
All right, what are you? I'm a witch. Hang on

01:15:55.350 --> 01:15:58.430
to your husbands, girl. The Owens sisters are

01:15:58.430 --> 01:16:01.489
unusual people. Which people would that be? Witch

01:16:01.489 --> 01:16:04.729
people. Witches. Witches. Cursed by a deadly

01:16:04.729 --> 01:16:07.770
spell. Any man who wins the heart of an Owens

01:16:07.770 --> 01:16:10.390
woman is bound to end up six feet under. Now,

01:16:10.630 --> 01:16:13.630
it will take a special kind of magic to keep

01:16:13.630 --> 01:16:19.550
true love alive. Sandra Bullock, Nicole Kidman,

01:16:19.670 --> 01:16:30.899
Practical Magic. This is the sheriff. Get on

01:16:30.899 --> 01:16:33.439
the emergency unit. I'm down here all by myself.

01:16:33.859 --> 01:16:36.159
They're hell -bent on destroying that beast.

01:16:36.420 --> 01:16:38.960
The crowd's beginning to take over. We'll call

01:16:38.960 --> 01:16:40.859
the National Guard back. Tell them we need some

01:16:40.859 --> 01:16:48.000
heavy equipment. Guns, tanks, anything. They

01:16:48.000 --> 01:16:50.439
came by the hundreds, by the thousands, killing

01:16:50.439 --> 01:16:53.239
and crippling, creeping, crawling creatures determined

01:16:53.239 --> 01:16:56.140
to destroy the Earth. Could anything stop them?

01:16:56.239 --> 01:16:59.260
Could anything stop? The giant spider invasion.

01:17:01.460 --> 01:17:04.199
There has never been a film like this before.

01:17:09.100 --> 01:17:12.260
Let's get back to 20 Million Miles to Earth.

01:17:12.520 --> 01:17:15.500
What kind of themes are in this movie? Naomi,

01:17:15.579 --> 01:17:17.539
is there anything that you want to talk about?

01:17:18.600 --> 01:17:24.279
The themes, you know, I was struck a little bit

01:17:24.279 --> 01:17:27.989
about that. kind of weighty last line, you know,

01:17:27.989 --> 01:17:30.489
it ends on, does anyone have the exact line?

01:17:30.869 --> 01:17:34.210
I do have the line here. Okay. So this is spoken

01:17:34.210 --> 01:17:36.729
by one of the doctors in the film, Dr. Judson

01:17:36.729 --> 01:17:40.989
Ewell, who says, why is it always, always so

01:17:40.989 --> 01:17:44.130
costly for man to move from the present to the

01:17:44.130 --> 01:17:48.430
future? That's it. Yes. Yes, totally. And I think

01:17:48.430 --> 01:17:50.750
that that's very, you know, mid -century sci

01:17:50.750 --> 01:17:54.449
-fi kind of thought, but it, you know, this movie,

01:17:54.510 --> 01:17:57.579
it's sort of, glorifies the well maybe not glorifies

01:17:57.579 --> 01:18:00.439
but shines a light on human advancement while

01:18:00.439 --> 01:18:02.899
ignoring like what gets exploited and destroyed

01:18:02.899 --> 01:18:06.060
along the way or highlighting like what is bad

01:18:06.060 --> 01:18:08.140
about that and i think that that's interesting

01:18:08.140 --> 01:18:10.960
and maybe what you're supposed to take with that

01:18:10.960 --> 01:18:12.699
line i don't know how did you guys interpret

01:18:12.699 --> 01:18:16.819
that last line i think you're right that's how

01:18:16.819 --> 01:18:19.470
i read it too i think like You know, it's easy

01:18:19.470 --> 01:18:22.489
to forget as the movie goes on that Colonel Calder,

01:18:22.550 --> 01:18:24.149
I think is the character's name, is the only

01:18:24.149 --> 01:18:26.970
one who survived the mission to Venus and everybody

01:18:26.970 --> 01:18:30.229
else on the ship died. We see one of them kind

01:18:30.229 --> 01:18:32.569
of die a grisly death in the hospital. He has

01:18:32.569 --> 01:18:36.470
facial disfigurations before he dies. So, yeah,

01:18:36.550 --> 01:18:38.949
I think that that theme is certainly there that

01:18:38.949 --> 01:18:42.680
like. You know, yeah, like you said, Naomi, the

01:18:42.680 --> 01:18:45.239
path to enlightenment, knowledge, progress usually

01:18:45.239 --> 01:18:48.060
entails a lot of human sacrifice. And I don't

01:18:48.060 --> 01:18:50.039
know, sometimes you kind of have to ask, is it

01:18:50.039 --> 01:18:54.539
worth it, you know? I'm thinking about how the

01:18:54.539 --> 01:18:58.260
colonel and the scientist, and do correct me

01:18:58.260 --> 01:19:01.239
if I'm misremembering this, but they want to

01:19:01.239 --> 01:19:04.479
protect the monster because they do see it as

01:19:04.479 --> 01:19:07.699
a scientific advancement, something to study.

01:19:08.359 --> 01:19:12.439
All in relation to human exploration on Venus,

01:19:12.699 --> 01:19:16.399
which I did note was for very, you know, fun

01:19:16.399 --> 01:19:20.119
sci -fi reasons, interplanetary resource mining,

01:19:20.319 --> 01:19:23.880
which just seems to sound so science fiction

01:19:23.880 --> 01:19:27.000
to me. But my point is that the EMEA is being

01:19:27.000 --> 01:19:30.239
treated as a scientific advancement, and they

01:19:30.239 --> 01:19:33.899
want to protect it. So they're not wanting to

01:19:33.899 --> 01:19:41.079
hurt it. But... That's an inherent risk of meddling

01:19:41.079 --> 01:19:46.619
in other, I was going to say cultures, but other

01:19:46.619 --> 01:19:50.760
places. They go to Venus, but Western scientists

01:19:50.760 --> 01:19:55.460
go into the jungles of Africa and all these places

01:19:55.460 --> 01:20:00.220
for, quote, scientific progress. But they end

01:20:00.220 --> 01:20:04.180
up harming, maybe, the people and the animals

01:20:04.180 --> 01:20:07.939
there. When you bring the animals back to the

01:20:07.939 --> 01:20:12.100
zoo in Europe or America, you know, you've taken

01:20:12.100 --> 01:20:14.439
them out of their natural environment. Is the

01:20:14.439 --> 01:20:19.479
tiger really happy in a Minnesota zoo? I don't

01:20:19.479 --> 01:20:24.119
know. It's not its native habitat. So I think

01:20:24.119 --> 01:20:26.680
there's a great moral question there about the

01:20:26.680 --> 01:20:31.260
give and take of, quote, scientific progress.

01:20:32.180 --> 01:20:34.479
Man, so true. That's so well said. I love that

01:20:34.479 --> 01:20:37.279
you said that. I didn't even really connect the

01:20:37.279 --> 01:20:39.800
scene in the zoo to kind of, it didn't inspire

01:20:39.800 --> 01:20:42.979
those thoughts. So that's very interesting. Yeah.

01:20:43.000 --> 01:20:44.880
I just, that was a coincidence, but thank you,

01:20:44.880 --> 01:20:48.720
Naomi. Sometimes I just start, I just start riffing.

01:20:49.840 --> 01:20:53.779
It turned out great. Why was the elephant in

01:20:53.779 --> 01:20:56.159
Rome? It shouldn't have been there. They got

01:20:56.159 --> 01:20:59.079
hurt. That sounds like the beginning of a joke.

01:20:59.159 --> 01:21:03.220
Why was the elephant in Rome? But yeah, I mean,

01:21:03.239 --> 01:21:04.800
like, and there's also just the fact that like

01:21:04.800 --> 01:21:07.439
the alien, once it's taken from Venus back to

01:21:07.439 --> 01:21:09.560
Earth, you know, it starts off really small,

01:21:09.600 --> 01:21:11.479
but then like it's, I can't remember how they

01:21:11.479 --> 01:21:13.000
explained it in the movie, but it's just like,

01:21:13.140 --> 01:21:17.300
it's discombobulated by Earth's atmosphere. And

01:21:17.300 --> 01:21:19.060
that's what causes it to like grow to immense

01:21:19.060 --> 01:21:21.720
size. So there's that element where like literally

01:21:21.720 --> 01:21:24.520
taking it out of its habitat back to Earth totally

01:21:24.520 --> 01:21:27.579
messes with it, you know? And I like, another

01:21:27.579 --> 01:21:29.319
thing that you said, Vincent, which I think is

01:21:29.319 --> 01:21:31.850
really interesting about this movie. The American

01:21:31.850 --> 01:21:35.329
military and the scientists do initially want

01:21:35.329 --> 01:21:38.229
to study it. But I was amazed how quickly they

01:21:38.229 --> 01:21:39.970
were like, oh, never mind. Let's just kill it

01:21:39.970 --> 01:21:43.189
now. It's too big. It's causing havoc. We just

01:21:43.189 --> 01:21:45.630
have to kill it. And even in that scene in the

01:21:45.630 --> 01:21:48.069
barn, the colonel, I think it's the colonel,

01:21:48.090 --> 01:21:49.569
maybe it's one of the other doctors, is like,

01:21:49.670 --> 01:21:52.130
oh, don't worry. It's a totally docile creature.

01:21:52.310 --> 01:21:54.270
It's not going to attack unless we provoke it.

01:21:54.350 --> 01:21:56.670
And then they immediately provoke it. They stab

01:21:56.670 --> 01:21:58.609
him with a pitchfork almost immediately. And

01:21:58.609 --> 01:22:01.770
it's like... I think a generous reading would

01:22:01.770 --> 01:22:04.850
say that this movie is kind of about our inability

01:22:04.850 --> 01:22:08.710
or unwillingness on this planet to actually peacefully

01:22:08.710 --> 01:22:11.449
study and coexist things that are unfamiliar

01:22:11.449 --> 01:22:14.569
to us. Because in this movie, in my opinion,

01:22:14.689 --> 01:22:18.390
very abruptly, everybody's totally willing to

01:22:18.390 --> 01:22:21.409
kill this thing that's the scientific discovery

01:22:21.409 --> 01:22:24.949
of the century. And whether or not it's intentional,

01:22:25.069 --> 01:22:26.909
I just thought that was an interesting sort of

01:22:26.909 --> 01:22:31.909
subtext to this movie, I guess. yes and in the

01:22:31.909 --> 01:22:34.609
barn the guy with the pitchfork he's the he's

01:22:34.609 --> 01:22:37.770
the the local he's just there like that's his

01:22:37.770 --> 01:22:40.630
barn and it's the the military brass and the

01:22:40.630 --> 01:22:42.729
scientists who do want to capture it peacefully

01:22:42.729 --> 01:22:46.210
in that moment at least yeah and it's this man

01:22:46.210 --> 01:22:50.069
who you know i don't want to like classify him

01:22:50.069 --> 01:22:52.470
as just like a local yokel who doesn't understand

01:22:52.470 --> 01:22:55.930
what's going on but i think he doesn't he doesn't

01:22:55.930 --> 01:22:59.029
understand the context of what's happening And

01:22:59.029 --> 01:23:02.649
I think he reacts justifiably to a monster in

01:23:02.649 --> 01:23:05.970
his barn. Yeah. But that's the tragedy. He ruins

01:23:05.970 --> 01:23:08.489
everything by attacking an unknown creature,

01:23:08.670 --> 01:23:12.369
which is also a great theme of, you know, why

01:23:12.369 --> 01:23:15.529
do we fear what we don't understand? And the

01:23:15.529 --> 01:23:17.789
mystery and the fear of the unknown. And you

01:23:17.789 --> 01:23:20.310
just wish that everyone had kept a cooler head

01:23:20.310 --> 01:23:25.090
in that situation. Barn owner, scientists, army,

01:23:25.270 --> 01:23:26.789
like everyone just like, let's cool our jets

01:23:26.789 --> 01:23:31.270
a little bit. Yeah, it guns down, please. Please.

01:23:31.350 --> 01:23:33.909
So what do you guys think it's saying in a larger

01:23:33.909 --> 01:23:37.810
way about the time it was made and kind of international,

01:23:38.010 --> 01:23:42.590
you know, relations and how and how America related

01:23:42.590 --> 01:23:45.010
to different countries, you know, World War Two,

01:23:45.090 --> 01:23:47.789
all of that, like, I, I'm always curious, like

01:23:47.789 --> 01:23:49.409
what people's thoughts are on that, because I

01:23:49.409 --> 01:23:51.689
think historical context can really like go a

01:23:51.689 --> 01:23:55.220
long way in appreciating stuff like this. Yeah,

01:23:55.279 --> 01:23:57.359
that's a really good point because this is post

01:23:57.359 --> 01:24:03.100
-war. Italy had been just scarred by World War

01:24:03.100 --> 01:24:07.739
II, both as an Axis player, and then during war

01:24:07.739 --> 01:24:10.420
it shifted courses to the Allies. And I don't

01:24:10.420 --> 01:24:12.560
know, I meant to do this research, but the film

01:24:12.560 --> 01:24:15.600
takes place in Sicily for the first half, and

01:24:15.600 --> 01:24:18.460
there's American Army personnel in the film.

01:24:19.020 --> 01:24:22.439
I can only assume we had a military presence,

01:24:22.539 --> 01:24:25.500
just a holdover. But I don't know yet. I need

01:24:25.500 --> 01:24:29.319
to look that up. But I think I think this movie

01:24:29.319 --> 01:24:33.739
does give some insight to the United States relationship

01:24:33.739 --> 01:24:36.439
with a foreign government, at least because they

01:24:36.439 --> 01:24:40.140
they work with the local police and they're getting

01:24:40.140 --> 01:24:45.159
permission to do these things. I think in contrast

01:24:45.159 --> 01:24:50.539
to today, where our government is rather more

01:24:50.539 --> 01:24:53.529
prone to bullying foreign governments. In this

01:24:53.529 --> 01:24:56.189
film, I think the government and the military

01:24:56.189 --> 01:25:00.029
are more... I'm blanking. What's the word? Help

01:25:00.029 --> 01:25:02.550
me out. They're just more willing to work with

01:25:02.550 --> 01:25:05.029
foreigners. Collaborative. Yeah, they're more...

01:25:05.029 --> 01:25:07.250
Yeah, they're more collaborative. Uh -huh. Yeah.

01:25:07.569 --> 01:25:12.350
Makes sense. It was refreshing. Mm -hmm. Yeah.

01:25:13.100 --> 01:25:15.619
I agree. I mean, I also don't know the specifics

01:25:15.619 --> 01:25:17.960
about the American military presence in Italy

01:25:17.960 --> 01:25:20.319
after World War Two. But I think about other

01:25:20.319 --> 01:25:23.539
countries like Austria or like elsewhere in the

01:25:23.539 --> 01:25:26.079
world where like very quickly after the war,

01:25:26.159 --> 01:25:27.699
there was kind of, you know, I mean, like the

01:25:27.699 --> 01:25:29.880
Cold War basically like escalated very quickly.

01:25:29.899 --> 01:25:32.539
And then suddenly you have all these superpowers

01:25:32.539 --> 01:25:35.100
throughout the world, like battling for control

01:25:35.100 --> 01:25:38.640
over certain parts of the world. And like, obviously,

01:25:38.640 --> 01:25:40.979
it was this point in time. This movie was made

01:25:40.979 --> 01:25:44.279
in 1957. So the Cold War was certainly like at

01:25:44.279 --> 01:25:46.180
its height or like around then, you know, and

01:25:46.180 --> 01:25:50.319
like I yeah, like I think like the American military's

01:25:50.319 --> 01:25:53.239
collaborative like behavior in this movie is

01:25:53.239 --> 01:25:56.569
kind of a nice. like wouldn't it be nice if it

01:25:56.569 --> 01:25:58.670
was actually this way in reality like kind of

01:25:58.670 --> 01:26:01.130
a nice fantasy because i think me like you were

01:26:01.130 --> 01:26:03.289
just saying vincent maybe in reality at at that

01:26:03.289 --> 01:26:06.390
time or even today like you know there was more

01:26:06.390 --> 01:26:09.930
of a sense of conquest and control and power

01:26:09.930 --> 01:26:13.470
than than what we actually see in the film yeah

01:26:13.470 --> 01:26:15.489
totally i feel like you see that in a lot of

01:26:15.489 --> 01:26:18.489
like godzilla movies and stuff too where there's

01:26:18.489 --> 01:26:20.750
that tension and like you know that it's always

01:26:20.750 --> 01:26:23.090
interesting to see how governments interact with

01:26:23.090 --> 01:26:25.329
each other in these kind of films, you know,

01:26:25.350 --> 01:26:28.750
says a lot about, it's just very interesting,

01:26:28.909 --> 01:26:31.989
very interesting. And I wonder how our, you know,

01:26:31.989 --> 01:26:34.289
how that'll be depicted in films now, you know,

01:26:34.289 --> 01:26:36.970
when you look back in the future, it'll be interesting

01:26:36.970 --> 01:26:40.550
to see. Yeah. And, uh, just a real quick addition,

01:26:40.689 --> 01:26:44.609
the, there's a, there's a scene where reporters

01:26:44.609 --> 01:26:48.409
are getting information from the department of

01:26:48.409 --> 01:26:52.569
defense. And the DOD officials, I thought, were

01:26:52.569 --> 01:26:56.069
very transparent with the press. They were willing

01:26:56.069 --> 01:26:59.289
to work with them, which, again, is just a contrast

01:26:59.289 --> 01:27:02.649
to what we see today with the relationship between

01:27:02.649 --> 01:27:06.909
our federal government and the press pool. So,

01:27:06.930 --> 01:27:11.050
yeah, maybe this movie was maybe a little simple

01:27:11.050 --> 01:27:13.590
in its portrayal, or maybe it was how it was

01:27:13.590 --> 01:27:16.869
back then. I can't say. I wasn't alive. But I've

01:27:16.869 --> 01:27:19.250
seen this movie. And it's a more collaborative

01:27:19.250 --> 01:27:26.029
sense. Yeah. Maybe more. Sorry. Oh, no, nothing.

01:27:26.149 --> 01:27:28.250
Go ahead. Well, I was going to say maybe more

01:27:28.250 --> 01:27:30.430
hopeful than simple. That's, that's how I might

01:27:30.430 --> 01:27:32.689
describe it. You know, like, yeah, it would be

01:27:32.689 --> 01:27:34.909
nice if like international diplomacy actually

01:27:34.909 --> 01:27:37.369
worked this way, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

01:27:37.390 --> 01:27:39.189
I was going to say something similar. Just the

01:27:39.189 --> 01:27:41.649
fact that we're talking about it and, and we're

01:27:41.649 --> 01:27:45.029
all smiling about it. I wish it was true. Yeah.

01:27:46.680 --> 01:27:50.640
Just the thought. Right. A nice fantasy. Yeah.

01:27:52.460 --> 01:27:55.039
Cool. Yeah. Any, any other thematic things that

01:27:55.039 --> 01:27:57.260
we want to talk about? I don't know how thematically

01:27:57.260 --> 01:28:00.159
deep this movie is necessarily, but it does have

01:28:00.159 --> 01:28:03.439
some content there. I would say. Yeah, I agree.

01:28:04.779 --> 01:28:10.800
I will say I was very struck by the kind of the,

01:28:10.880 --> 01:28:13.899
how I thought of gladiators when I, when I saw

01:28:13.899 --> 01:28:16.899
him. around the coliseum and kind of just made

01:28:16.899 --> 01:28:19.720
that connection but it's you know such a tragic

01:28:19.720 --> 01:28:22.260
twist because but it kind of makes you think

01:28:22.260 --> 01:28:26.140
of of the way gladiators were not really on operating

01:28:26.140 --> 01:28:28.960
always on their own free will and and you know

01:28:28.960 --> 01:28:32.140
this kind of grisly spectacle i couldn't help

01:28:32.140 --> 01:28:34.899
but think of that and i wonder if having such

01:28:34.899 --> 01:28:37.500
a identifiable landmark in there was supposed

01:28:37.500 --> 01:28:41.340
to make people think of that or if i just I was

01:28:41.340 --> 01:28:42.800
wondering if you guys had any thoughts around

01:28:42.800 --> 01:28:46.060
just the Coliseum and things like that in the

01:28:46.060 --> 01:28:49.479
film. Yeah, that's interesting. I love that.

01:28:49.619 --> 01:28:53.100
I think that makes so much sense. It's tough

01:28:53.100 --> 01:28:56.260
because Harryhausen, apparently the only reason

01:28:56.260 --> 01:28:57.760
they filmed in Italy is because he wanted to

01:28:57.760 --> 01:29:00.840
film there. But I don't think that takes away

01:29:00.840 --> 01:29:06.220
from the idea of combat in the Coliseum. And

01:29:06.220 --> 01:29:09.939
then with the elephant scene. that's what the

01:29:09.939 --> 01:29:12.979
Romans, ancient Romans would do. They'd pit all

01:29:12.979 --> 01:29:15.119
kinds of animals against each other, man and

01:29:15.119 --> 01:29:19.199
animals. And yeah, yeah. I think that's a really

01:29:19.199 --> 01:29:22.279
great thought that you brought up. Yeah. Just

01:29:22.279 --> 01:29:24.880
like this unnatural stage for human entertainment,

01:29:24.979 --> 01:29:30.560
you know? Yes. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's

01:29:30.560 --> 01:29:32.640
a great point. Yeah. And, you know, Amir, of

01:29:32.640 --> 01:29:35.199
course, would be in that position of the fighter

01:29:35.199 --> 01:29:37.920
who's powerless, who's like forced into this

01:29:37.920 --> 01:29:39.859
position and then has to like just fight to protect

01:29:39.859 --> 01:29:42.960
itself. So that yeah, that's I think that element

01:29:42.960 --> 01:29:45.220
of sympathy for for the monster is definitely

01:29:45.220 --> 01:29:47.479
there. I think it's interesting, too, that, you

01:29:47.479 --> 01:29:49.359
know, Harryhausen would frequently return to

01:29:49.359 --> 01:29:52.489
like. sword and sandal kind of gladiator stories

01:29:52.489 --> 01:29:54.750
in the future after this right like seventh voyage

01:29:54.750 --> 01:29:57.229
of sinbad and clash of the titans jason and the

01:29:57.229 --> 01:29:59.550
argonauts some other movies i think so yeah i

01:29:59.550 --> 01:30:02.489
think that's a world that i think he was attracted

01:30:02.489 --> 01:30:07.829
to for whatever reason you know totally i just

01:30:07.829 --> 01:30:10.550
love seeing a monster next to something that

01:30:10.550 --> 01:30:12.649
iconic you know it's like kong and the empire

01:30:12.649 --> 01:30:15.189
state building like you know they just go together

01:30:15.189 --> 01:30:19.460
sometimes yeah Definitely. Maybe that's my human

01:30:19.460 --> 01:30:22.180
arrogance that loves to see a monster next to

01:30:22.180 --> 01:30:24.960
a human achievement, you know. I think that just

01:30:24.960 --> 01:30:27.539
for audiences makes it feel really familiar and,

01:30:27.539 --> 01:30:30.699
you know, kind of that moment of, you know, like

01:30:30.699 --> 01:30:32.439
in Planet of the Apes when you see something

01:30:32.439 --> 01:30:35.439
that you know, you know, that we made as people.

01:30:36.439 --> 01:30:40.939
Yeah. yeah it's uh it's like an element of the

01:30:40.939 --> 01:30:43.220
epic you know and i feel like people maybe overuse

01:30:43.220 --> 01:30:45.140
the word epic sometimes but i feel like it's

01:30:45.140 --> 01:30:47.880
when when we see like a man -made structure like

01:30:47.880 --> 01:30:50.680
that like a wonder of the world and then all

01:30:50.680 --> 01:30:53.600
this you know like action and like violence and

01:30:53.600 --> 01:30:56.119
mayhem playing out on it it's like yeah it does

01:30:56.119 --> 01:30:58.720
give you the impression of like something huge

01:30:58.720 --> 01:31:00.699
and momentous is happening and that makes for

01:31:00.699 --> 01:31:04.039
good cinema you know totally and maybe like changing

01:31:04.039 --> 01:31:06.760
you know the course of of history of destroying

01:31:06.760 --> 01:31:09.739
things, you know, it has consequences beyond

01:31:09.739 --> 01:31:11.760
the scene that you see or whatever, you know,

01:31:11.760 --> 01:31:13.680
it's always devastating when you see something,

01:31:13.720 --> 01:31:16.600
you know, smashed to pieces or, you know, the

01:31:16.600 --> 01:31:19.180
white house blown up and, you know, like whatever

01:31:19.180 --> 01:31:22.340
it's, you know, you think about that. So our

01:31:22.340 --> 01:31:24.300
little human brains are just like, wow, that'd

01:31:24.300 --> 01:31:29.140
be crazy. Yeah, totally. Yeah. And I think, you

01:31:29.140 --> 01:31:30.979
know, even if they shot in Rome mostly because

01:31:30.979 --> 01:31:33.039
Harryhausen wanted to vacation there, that still

01:31:33.039 --> 01:31:34.800
opens up like some pretty cool interpretations.

01:31:35.100 --> 01:31:37.220
Like, you know, like we were already talking

01:31:37.220 --> 01:31:39.479
about, like the gladiator element. And then like

01:31:39.479 --> 01:31:42.539
after the war, the sort of like neorealist kind

01:31:42.539 --> 01:31:44.760
of like rubble that the city was lying in, like

01:31:44.760 --> 01:31:48.300
it might not have been totally intentional, but

01:31:48.300 --> 01:31:50.119
still like we can think about these things just

01:31:50.119 --> 01:31:52.319
because of the setting. And I think, you know,

01:31:52.319 --> 01:31:55.140
that's why they're so fun to talk about. Exactly.

01:31:55.220 --> 01:31:57.100
Definitely. And like when I brought up Roman

01:31:57.100 --> 01:32:00.100
Holiday earlier, I was just like, I want to watch

01:32:00.100 --> 01:32:01.760
these two movies together. I think that'd be

01:32:01.760 --> 01:32:05.899
so fun. Yeah. Roman Holiday is amazing. I love

01:32:05.899 --> 01:32:12.479
that movie. Well, if it's okay with you, maybe

01:32:12.479 --> 01:32:14.680
we can wrap up a conversation about the form

01:32:14.680 --> 01:32:16.739
and aesthetic in our individual breakdowns at

01:32:16.739 --> 01:32:19.560
the end here. It's about that time. Yeah. So

01:32:19.560 --> 01:32:21.579
as usual in Camp Kaiju, we'll talk about our

01:32:21.579 --> 01:32:24.850
good, the bad, and the campy. Maybe I'll just

01:32:24.850 --> 01:32:26.869
real quickly get things rolling and talk about

01:32:26.869 --> 01:32:28.470
the good category for me, and then I'll turn

01:32:28.470 --> 01:32:32.109
it over to both of you. I mean, it's obviously

01:32:32.109 --> 01:32:35.270
the Harryhausen special effects. They're just,

01:32:35.350 --> 01:32:38.189
as we've talked about, really beautiful, subtle,

01:32:38.390 --> 01:32:41.069
nuanced, emotional. I think the black and white

01:32:41.069 --> 01:32:44.090
cinematography makes them even more so, and we

01:32:44.090 --> 01:32:46.489
already talked about that as well. You know,

01:32:46.510 --> 01:32:49.119
I appreciate that the movie... knows what the

01:32:49.119 --> 01:32:51.159
good stuff is. Like it knows that people are

01:32:51.159 --> 01:32:53.600
here to watch the creature and like the, the

01:32:53.600 --> 01:32:56.100
scenes of again, like carnage and mayhem and

01:32:56.100 --> 01:32:58.399
like the special effects. And it kind of like

01:32:58.399 --> 01:33:00.340
hurries through the other stuff to get to that

01:33:00.340 --> 01:33:02.579
good stuff. That might be both a good and a bad

01:33:02.579 --> 01:33:04.859
thing, but, but yeah, the special effects are

01:33:04.859 --> 01:33:06.920
phenomenal. I'll leave it at that. Turn it over

01:33:06.920 --> 01:33:11.859
to you guys. Well, I'll say that for the good

01:33:11.859 --> 01:33:14.840
for me, I, I loved the special effects. I mean,

01:33:14.840 --> 01:33:18.619
there's no surprise there. I also just, love

01:33:18.619 --> 01:33:22.140
I don't know I really saw Ymir as kind of like

01:33:22.140 --> 01:33:24.520
a child and sort of framed it like through that

01:33:24.520 --> 01:33:27.039
as I was watching it and I enjoyed that and could

01:33:27.039 --> 01:33:29.699
connect it to things current you know like I

01:33:29.699 --> 01:33:33.180
mentioned E .T. and other things like that yeah

01:33:33.180 --> 01:33:37.600
I I thought that was good the bad would be you

01:33:37.600 --> 01:33:39.739
know I didn't really care much about the characters

01:33:39.739 --> 01:33:43.439
or about you know their individual individualness

01:33:43.439 --> 01:33:47.189
I guess I I didn't I felt like everyone else

01:33:47.189 --> 01:33:51.470
did, I suppose, about that. And what am I saying?

01:33:51.909 --> 01:33:57.510
The campy? Well, geez, I don't know. I found

01:33:57.510 --> 01:34:00.529
this more emotional than campy. But in retrospect,

01:34:00.829 --> 01:34:03.909
it definitely is campy. You know, just talking

01:34:03.909 --> 01:34:05.850
about it, we've had a lot of like kind of funny

01:34:05.850 --> 01:34:08.510
moments. And I think that it creates the conversation.

01:34:09.390 --> 01:34:11.569
But yeah, I don't know. I don't consider it that

01:34:11.569 --> 01:34:16.609
campy, personally. Yeah, no, I hear you. I don't

01:34:16.609 --> 01:34:19.409
have too many things, actually. I just sat back

01:34:19.409 --> 01:34:21.449
and watched this movie more than I do with others.

01:34:21.970 --> 01:34:27.130
But I, yeah, the stop motion here is so seamless.

01:34:27.470 --> 01:34:32.170
And how, again, lighting magnifies that effect

01:34:32.170 --> 01:34:37.369
is so wonderfully on display here in this movie.

01:34:37.909 --> 01:34:41.869
The barn sequence is just gold to me. I love

01:34:41.869 --> 01:34:45.600
everything going on. The personality of the Ymir.

01:34:46.279 --> 01:34:49.779
Yeah, I mean, that's all I got because that's

01:34:49.779 --> 01:34:54.300
all I need out of this movie. Super fair. The

01:34:54.300 --> 01:34:57.619
Barn scene, I was thinking about that scene even

01:34:57.619 --> 01:35:00.279
today. I watched it a couple days ago and it

01:35:00.279 --> 01:35:02.579
keeps popping into my head. It's surprisingly

01:35:02.579 --> 01:35:06.319
impactful. I will add a couple of other sequences,

01:35:06.520 --> 01:35:10.220
though. When the rocket ship lands in the ocean

01:35:10.220 --> 01:35:13.699
and they climb on board, the two fishermen, Or

01:35:13.699 --> 01:35:16.359
the one fisherman. I got like Poseidon Adventure

01:35:16.359 --> 01:35:19.520
vibes. It was just like, this is a really great

01:35:19.520 --> 01:35:22.399
set piece. And they're using the practical props

01:35:22.399 --> 01:35:26.140
and effects really well. And then the other thing

01:35:26.140 --> 01:35:29.399
is the battle between the Ymir and the elephant.

01:35:29.819 --> 01:35:32.619
The animation of the elephant is also really

01:35:32.619 --> 01:35:37.119
well done. And there's weight to it. And it just

01:35:37.119 --> 01:35:41.409
really, again, captures my imagination. Yeah,

01:35:41.430 --> 01:35:44.289
I love those scenes too. In the barn scene, I

01:35:44.289 --> 01:35:47.029
particularly wanted to shout out one moment where

01:35:47.029 --> 01:35:49.649
Amir is kind of like walking right towards the

01:35:49.649 --> 01:35:52.170
camera. It's like the POV shot of one of the

01:35:52.170 --> 01:35:53.609
characters in the barn. I can't remember who

01:35:53.609 --> 01:35:56.350
exactly. And just that shot, the animation of

01:35:56.350 --> 01:35:59.210
it. The lighting of it, you know, it's a kind

01:35:59.210 --> 01:36:01.270
of an intense moment. Like the scene is like

01:36:01.270 --> 01:36:04.510
backlit. So Amir is kind of like in shadow a

01:36:04.510 --> 01:36:07.310
little bit. It's really, it is genuinely frightening,

01:36:07.390 --> 01:36:09.569
even though we still do have sympathy for this

01:36:09.569 --> 01:36:12.510
character who's kind of bearing down on us. That's

01:36:12.510 --> 01:36:14.189
my favorite shot of the movie. It's really incredible.

01:36:15.170 --> 01:36:19.689
Yeah. For the bad, I actually, I mean, this movie

01:36:19.689 --> 01:36:23.470
could be easy to pick apart. And I do so kind

01:36:23.470 --> 01:36:25.649
of with love, if that makes sense, just because.

01:36:26.380 --> 01:36:28.220
you know, this is still like a feel good movie

01:36:28.220 --> 01:36:33.319
in a way, but the, the, the supposed romance

01:36:33.319 --> 01:36:36.699
between our two leads, the man and the woman

01:36:36.699 --> 01:36:42.859
I find so bland because he is so uninteresting.

01:36:42.880 --> 01:36:45.659
His name is Bob. No offense to Bob's out there.

01:36:46.939 --> 01:36:50.420
It's just, it's indicative of who he is. Just

01:36:50.420 --> 01:36:52.939
white bread, vanilla. He doesn't really have

01:36:52.939 --> 01:36:57.520
any, he doesn't add anything to me. And Joan

01:36:57.520 --> 01:36:59.460
Taylor does a little bit. She's trying. I can

01:36:59.460 --> 01:37:02.819
see that, which is which is good. And I and I

01:37:02.819 --> 01:37:07.439
did think about the army personnel in this movie

01:37:07.439 --> 01:37:11.500
being mostly white, if not all white. And I was

01:37:11.500 --> 01:37:13.840
just thinking, like, even in the 50s, I know

01:37:13.840 --> 01:37:17.279
there were black soldiers in the army. Could

01:37:17.279 --> 01:37:21.100
have been it would have been really nice to have

01:37:21.100 --> 01:37:24.899
seen some. diversity in the army actors at least

01:37:24.899 --> 01:37:29.579
it was an integrated army at that point so i'll

01:37:29.579 --> 01:37:32.420
put that in my bad category too or dated category

01:37:32.420 --> 01:37:37.029
i should say i don't know yeah And with the Joan

01:37:37.029 --> 01:37:39.829
Taylor character, she's the daughter of a zoologist,

01:37:39.829 --> 01:37:41.750
right? And a scientist and a doctor in her own

01:37:41.750 --> 01:37:44.109
right. So you would, and like, we see a little

01:37:44.109 --> 01:37:46.649
bit of that when like she, you know, the Amir

01:37:46.649 --> 01:37:49.829
or Amir, whatever it is, like is strapped to

01:37:49.829 --> 01:37:51.270
the table and they're like keeping it alive.

01:37:51.390 --> 01:37:54.050
Like she is. taking care of the creature. So

01:37:54.050 --> 01:37:55.949
we see that a little bit, but like you would

01:37:55.949 --> 01:37:57.989
think there would be a lot more there. Like she

01:37:57.989 --> 01:38:00.750
must have some kind of thoughts and perspectives

01:38:00.750 --> 01:38:03.409
on this creature and like their treatment of

01:38:03.409 --> 01:38:05.689
it. But we never really learned that. And I thought

01:38:05.689 --> 01:38:08.869
that was a big wasted moment there. Good call.

01:38:09.090 --> 01:38:14.729
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Campy stuff. I think a Pepe,

01:38:14.850 --> 01:38:19.239
the little Italian boy, Braverman. And he just

01:38:19.239 --> 01:38:23.619
wants money to buy cowboy hats and guns like

01:38:23.619 --> 01:38:28.619
his Western stars in America. This is very wholesome

01:38:28.619 --> 01:38:32.840
in like a 50s, you know, gee whiz kind of way.

01:38:34.039 --> 01:38:37.859
That's a perfect way to describe it. Yeah. Yeah.

01:38:39.260 --> 01:38:42.979
And it's so ridiculous. Yeah, that cowboy hat.

01:38:43.079 --> 01:38:46.770
It's so absurd. And like the doctor, you know,

01:38:46.770 --> 01:38:50.350
like the kid Pepe like brings this gelatinous

01:38:50.350 --> 01:38:52.770
alien life form to the doctor and the doctor

01:38:52.770 --> 01:38:55.069
buys it for like 200 lira or whatever it is and

01:38:55.069 --> 01:38:57.829
like doesn't really ask any questions. It's like

01:38:57.829 --> 01:39:00.449
if as a doctor, you probably should be a little

01:39:00.449 --> 01:39:02.270
bit more curious about what this is, where it

01:39:02.270 --> 01:39:05.430
came from, why this kid has it like. Well, he

01:39:05.430 --> 01:39:08.829
calls after Pepe, but Pepe has no time of day.

01:39:08.890 --> 01:39:12.869
He runs like he's seen a ghost. And I'm just

01:39:12.869 --> 01:39:16.659
like Pepe. Tell the doctor what this is. You

01:39:16.659 --> 01:39:19.199
just ran away and left him hanging? Come on.

01:39:19.680 --> 01:39:22.199
That's true. I forgot that it's very strange.

01:39:22.399 --> 01:39:26.600
At least mention a spaceship crash landed in

01:39:26.600 --> 01:39:29.800
the Mediterranean. No, he just wants the money

01:39:29.800 --> 01:39:33.880
and that's it. One track mind. Yeah. Yeah, it's

01:39:33.880 --> 01:39:37.840
not important. Oh, Pepe. To be a kid again, you

01:39:37.840 --> 01:39:44.170
know, must be nice. Yeah, I, you know. I feel

01:39:44.170 --> 01:39:45.770
like that about does it for the good, the bad,

01:39:45.789 --> 01:39:48.170
and the campy for me anyway. I think it might

01:39:48.170 --> 01:39:51.130
be at the time of the episode to give the film

01:39:51.130 --> 01:39:53.210
a rating, as always here at the end of Camp Kaiju.

01:39:53.510 --> 01:39:56.569
I'll run through the ratings as usual. Our highest

01:39:56.569 --> 01:39:58.869
rating is it's a timeless classic. It definitely

01:39:58.869 --> 01:40:01.789
stands the test of time. Number two, there may

01:40:01.789 --> 01:40:03.729
be some antiquated moments, but overall it's

01:40:03.729 --> 01:40:06.510
great. It stands the test of time. Number three,

01:40:06.550 --> 01:40:09.050
it may be historically significant or just fun,

01:40:09.170 --> 01:40:11.800
but it does not stand the test of time. And our

01:40:11.800 --> 01:40:14.560
lowest rating, it is not worth revisiting. It

01:40:14.560 --> 01:40:18.300
definitely does not stand the test of time. Maybe

01:40:18.300 --> 01:40:20.119
again, I'll just go real quick to get us going

01:40:20.119 --> 01:40:22.319
and then I'll turn it over to both of you. For

01:40:22.319 --> 01:40:24.039
me, I'm going to give this our second highest

01:40:24.039 --> 01:40:25.939
rating. There may be some antiquated moments,

01:40:26.180 --> 01:40:28.460
but overall, it's great. It stands the test of

01:40:28.460 --> 01:40:31.859
time. I would add a little bit of an asterisk

01:40:31.859 --> 01:40:35.060
or a caveat there and say that all the non -monster

01:40:35.060 --> 01:40:37.539
stuff. you kind of have to suffer through a little

01:40:37.539 --> 01:40:40.739
bit. It's not very interesting. I do wish that,

01:40:40.739 --> 01:40:42.939
you know, the dialogue was a little bit better.

01:40:42.960 --> 01:40:44.659
The characters and the performances were a little

01:40:44.659 --> 01:40:48.260
bit more substantial, but, but still, I mean,

01:40:48.279 --> 01:40:50.340
this is a beautiful movie. Harryhausen's special

01:40:50.340 --> 01:40:53.239
effects are just really incredible. Yeah. That's,

01:40:53.239 --> 01:40:56.880
that's about it for me. Yeah. Well, I would also

01:40:56.880 --> 01:41:00.579
agree with you and go on that there may be some

01:41:00.579 --> 01:41:02.779
antiquated moments, but overall it's great. And

01:41:02.779 --> 01:41:05.100
it stands the test of time because. You know,

01:41:05.100 --> 01:41:07.079
you're really talking about the animation in

01:41:07.079 --> 01:41:09.840
it. And that does stand the test of time. And

01:41:09.840 --> 01:41:12.380
that's what everyone remembers. And we're talking

01:41:12.380 --> 01:41:15.119
about it today, you know. So I think it does

01:41:15.119 --> 01:41:17.539
stand the test of time. And even though you do

01:41:17.539 --> 01:41:20.380
have to sort of endure those moments in between

01:41:20.380 --> 01:41:25.180
Monster, it stands the test of time. And I almost

01:41:25.180 --> 01:41:29.180
wish if I had seen this movie and it was a foreign

01:41:29.180 --> 01:41:31.079
film and I didn't know what they were saying

01:41:31.079 --> 01:41:34.460
or any of that. I would have almost received

01:41:34.460 --> 01:41:37.380
it a little bit better and differently without

01:41:37.380 --> 01:41:40.560
the same expectations on story and character

01:41:40.560 --> 01:41:42.899
development, that kind of stuff. So I'm still

01:41:42.899 --> 01:41:44.720
going to give it that. Long story short, there

01:41:44.720 --> 01:41:46.939
may be some antiquated moments, but overall it's

01:41:46.939 --> 01:41:50.680
great and it stands the test of time. All right.

01:41:50.819 --> 01:41:54.819
Yeah, I was so torn until this moment, but I'm

01:41:54.819 --> 01:41:59.409
going to stick to my gut and also say... There

01:41:59.409 --> 01:42:02.289
are antiquated moments, but it does stand the

01:42:02.289 --> 01:42:07.109
test of time. Harryhausen's work is in this movie

01:42:07.109 --> 01:42:10.850
just beautiful and stunning. And if you look

01:42:10.850 --> 01:42:13.949
at the details and what he's doing, it's beautiful.

01:42:14.789 --> 01:42:21.449
It's just as a complete picture, it's all those

01:42:21.449 --> 01:42:25.430
weaker moments. They don't detract for me. I

01:42:25.430 --> 01:42:28.590
think they're still charming in a way, as bad

01:42:28.590 --> 01:42:33.409
as they are. They're campy. The movie is derivative,

01:42:33.630 --> 01:42:38.689
which for me is not always a problem. But when

01:42:38.689 --> 01:42:41.829
there's nothing else enhancing it apart from

01:42:41.829 --> 01:42:43.970
the effects, I'm like, okay, it's the King Kong

01:42:43.970 --> 01:42:47.829
story. I get it. But again, Harryhausen's work,

01:42:47.970 --> 01:42:51.350
bar none. See this movie. I will continue to

01:42:51.350 --> 01:42:55.640
champion this movie for all that and more. Perfect.

01:42:55.699 --> 01:42:57.659
Thank you so much, Vincent and Naomi. This was

01:42:57.659 --> 01:42:59.840
a really fun conversation, a very fun movie.

01:42:59.899 --> 01:43:02.399
If you haven't seen this, definitely highly recommend

01:43:02.399 --> 01:43:05.699
20 Million Miles to Earth and the rest of the

01:43:05.699 --> 01:43:07.739
Ray Harryhausen canon, which I need to explore

01:43:07.739 --> 01:43:10.819
myself. So hopefully I'll get going on that soon.

01:43:11.000 --> 01:43:13.239
On our next episode of Camp Kaiju, we're going

01:43:13.239 --> 01:43:16.039
to be talking about Gappa, the tri -phibian monster

01:43:16.039 --> 01:43:20.220
from 1967. Join us for that one. Thank you, Naomi.

01:43:20.659 --> 01:43:22.920
Always so fun. Thank you, thank you, thank you.

01:43:23.289 --> 01:43:25.890
Yeah, I love being on. Thank you all. I appreciate

01:43:25.890 --> 01:43:29.550
you both. And I thank you for having me on and

01:43:29.550 --> 01:43:32.689
for being my friend. Yay. Likewise. Thank you.

01:43:32.949 --> 01:43:36.329
Always a pleasure. Yeah. Hopefully we'll have

01:43:36.329 --> 01:43:38.750
you on again sometime soon. And of course, be

01:43:38.750 --> 01:43:41.130
back for Film Friends Trivia relatively soon

01:43:41.130 --> 01:43:44.149
as well. Of course. Yep. Anytime. And if you

01:43:44.149 --> 01:43:46.130
guys are going to any cool screenings, like think

01:43:46.130 --> 01:43:50.180
of me too. So, yep. All right. We'll see you

01:43:50.180 --> 01:43:52.220
guys. Thank you for having me. Bye. Thanks, Naomi.

01:43:52.460 --> 01:43:55.539
Bye. Bye. Thanks again for hanging out, friends.

01:43:55.680 --> 01:43:58.159
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01:44:25.770 --> 01:44:28.729
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01:44:28.869 --> 01:44:31.960
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01:44:57.020 --> 01:44:59.720
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01:44:59.720 --> 01:45:02.560
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01:45:02.560 --> 01:45:05.479
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01:45:36.130 --> 01:45:39.250
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01:45:39.250 --> 01:45:42.250
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01:45:42.250 --> 01:45:45.409
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