WEBVTT 00:00:09.000 --> 00:00:13.179 Darkness falls across the land. The midnight 00:00:13.179 --> 00:00:18.559 hour is close at hand. Creatures crawl in search 00:00:18.559 --> 00:00:22.019 of blood to terrorize y 'all's neighborhood. 00:00:23.160 --> 00:00:27.600 And whosoever shall be found without the soul 00:00:27.600 --> 00:00:31.800 for getting down must stand and face the hell 00:00:31.800 --> 00:00:39.630 and rot inside a corpse's shell. The foulest 00:00:39.630 --> 00:00:44.030 stenches in the air, the grisly fools of every 00:00:44.030 --> 00:00:53.149 tomb are closing in to seal your doom. Your body 00:00:53.149 --> 00:00:57.170 starts to shiver, for no mere mortal can resist 00:00:57.170 --> 00:01:14.549 the evil of the thriller. Hello, kaiju campers, 00:01:14.549 --> 00:01:18.250 and welcome to October here at Camp Kaiju Monster 00:01:18.250 --> 00:01:23.109 Movie Podcast. That was, of course, Vincent Rice's 00:01:23.109 --> 00:01:27.310 iconically blood -curdling monologue at the end 00:01:27.310 --> 00:01:33.269 of Michael Jackson's 1983 classic tune, the music 00:01:33.269 --> 00:01:37.890 video of which was directed by John Landis. Monster 00:01:37.890 --> 00:01:42.370 kids know him well. Not just from the bad boy 00:01:42.370 --> 00:01:46.290 Boogie Blues Brothers, but an American werewolf 00:01:46.290 --> 00:01:49.569 in London, of course. A classic of the genre. 00:01:49.709 --> 00:01:52.750 With Magic and Monsters, we are presenting a 00:01:52.750 --> 00:01:56.530 not -so -classic of the genre, and yet perfect 00:01:56.530 --> 00:02:01.030 for this autumnal spooky season. The Watcher 00:02:01.030 --> 00:02:05.189 in the Woods from 1980 from Walt Disney Studios. 00:02:06.349 --> 00:02:10.250 Me and Patrick Kozicki of Gaze to the D, an unofficial 00:02:10.250 --> 00:02:14.009 Disney podcast, break down the behind the scenes 00:02:14.009 --> 00:02:19.389 of the film, the production, and explore the 00:02:19.389 --> 00:02:22.590 reason why the film is most well known today, 00:02:22.729 --> 00:02:27.289 or, ironically, its obscurity. New copies of 00:02:27.289 --> 00:02:29.550 this movie are no longer printed on physical 00:02:29.550 --> 00:02:33.210 media, Blu -ray, DVD. Such things can only be 00:02:33.210 --> 00:02:38.539 found online. on secondhand websites. The film 00:02:38.539 --> 00:02:43.240 is not streaming on Disney +, and despite all 00:02:43.240 --> 00:02:47.699 that, it retains its cult classic status as the 00:02:47.699 --> 00:02:51.819 scariest Disney movie of all time. Well, it's 00:02:51.819 --> 00:02:55.180 certainly spooky, and as a ghost story, perfect 00:02:55.180 --> 00:02:59.680 again for this time of year. Patrick and I talk 00:02:59.680 --> 00:03:02.000 about all of our other favorite ghost stories 00:03:02.000 --> 00:03:05.620 and ghost movies. another classic horror cinema 00:03:05.620 --> 00:03:09.819 of the late 70s, early 80s. So we hope you enjoy 00:03:09.819 --> 00:03:13.840 this special conversation. And I, Vincent, hope 00:03:13.840 --> 00:03:17.560 you enjoy Camp Kaiju and stay tuned for just 00:03:17.560 --> 00:03:21.360 next week. Me and Matt Levine will be back at 00:03:21.360 --> 00:03:24.539 you with our regular programming when we discuss 00:03:24.539 --> 00:03:29.199 1925's The Phantom of the Opera. More classic 00:03:29.199 --> 00:03:34.939 monsters, more ghosts. And more great in -depth 00:03:34.939 --> 00:03:38.000 discussion. This time we're being joined by special 00:03:38.000 --> 00:03:42.900 guest film critic Paul McGuire Grimes. It's going 00:03:42.900 --> 00:03:45.159 to be a good conversation. We've already recorded 00:03:45.159 --> 00:03:48.560 it and look forward to sharing it with you. So 00:03:48.560 --> 00:03:51.439 thank you all for listening. And until next time, 00:03:51.659 --> 00:04:12.800 stay campy. Hello, everybody. Welcome, welcome, 00:04:12.840 --> 00:04:16.199 welcome. It is Vincent from the Camp Kaiju Monster 00:04:16.199 --> 00:04:21.000 Movie Podcast. And this is Patrick from Gaze 00:04:21.000 --> 00:04:24.500 Do The D Podcast. And we are here for another 00:04:24.500 --> 00:04:27.259 crossover episode of Magic and Monsters, where 00:04:27.259 --> 00:04:30.639 we explore the wonderful world of creature features. 00:04:31.709 --> 00:04:35.069 And on this installment, we are diving into the 00:04:35.069 --> 00:04:38.129 supernatural, going through the woods. We're 00:04:38.129 --> 00:04:39.769 going to be watching for things. We're going 00:04:39.769 --> 00:04:44.189 to go on that hike through 1980s, The Watcher 00:04:44.189 --> 00:04:48.569 in the Woods, a cult classic from Disney. So 00:04:48.569 --> 00:04:52.069 grab onto your popcorn and hold tight to your 00:04:52.069 --> 00:04:56.610 walking sticks. And away we go. To all who come 00:04:56.610 --> 00:05:19.910 to this happy place, welcome. Okay, here we are. 00:05:20.230 --> 00:05:23.589 Magic and Monsters, the fourth episode. Four 00:05:23.589 --> 00:05:25.629 episodes. All right. All right. We're making 00:05:25.629 --> 00:05:28.209 some progress here. We're quarterly installments 00:05:28.209 --> 00:05:33.750 now, I think. So we made it second year with 00:05:33.750 --> 00:05:37.790 Magic and Monsters, and we got some things coming 00:05:37.790 --> 00:05:40.009 up. You're going to announce the next episode 00:05:40.009 --> 00:05:43.430 at some point. Yeah. I'm very excited about it, 00:05:43.470 --> 00:05:45.600 too. It'll be a fun one. I don't know what that 00:05:45.600 --> 00:05:48.220 is, listeners, so stick around to the end of 00:05:48.220 --> 00:05:52.819 this episode, and we'll see what Patrick has 00:05:52.819 --> 00:05:59.740 up for us next. Maybe the shaggy DA? No one wants 00:05:59.740 --> 00:06:06.439 that, I promise you. Not one person is voting 00:06:06.439 --> 00:06:11.449 for that. Well, how are you, Patrick? I'm pretty 00:06:11.449 --> 00:06:13.930 good. I'm pretty good. Thanks for asking. You 00:06:13.930 --> 00:06:17.250 know, I am so grateful right now here in Minnesota. 00:06:17.310 --> 00:06:20.310 The heat has broken, at least for now. It is 00:06:20.310 --> 00:06:24.569 delightful. 70 degrees out today. We have our 00:06:24.569 --> 00:06:27.069 windows open. It's not raining for the first 00:06:27.069 --> 00:06:31.290 time in roughly 87 years. I'm well. I'm well. 00:06:31.350 --> 00:06:33.850 This is my power season, the fall. When the fall 00:06:33.850 --> 00:06:36.769 hits, I feel a lot better about life. I don't 00:06:36.769 --> 00:06:40.699 know. Yeah, it is August, but the windows are 00:06:40.699 --> 00:06:43.759 open, and it does feel autumnal out there. Pumpkin 00:06:43.759 --> 00:06:47.300 spice is creeping into the coffee shops. Oh, 00:06:47.360 --> 00:06:49.800 it's already hit my kitchen as well. I've got 00:06:49.800 --> 00:06:53.079 some pumpkin spice cold foam for my coffees. 00:06:53.079 --> 00:06:56.899 I'm basic, and I'm okay with it. I love it. Thanks, 00:06:57.139 --> 00:07:00.399 thanks. How are you? What's going on? I went 00:07:00.399 --> 00:07:03.579 back to work this week. Folks listening, I'm 00:07:03.579 --> 00:07:07.299 a teacher at a high school in Minneapolis. Students 00:07:07.299 --> 00:07:10.120 don't come back until September after Labor Day, 00:07:10.240 --> 00:07:14.759 but teachers are back. Listen, I applaud you 00:07:14.759 --> 00:07:18.199 for the work that you do. We love our teachers, 00:07:18.360 --> 00:07:20.300 so thanks for doing that. I appreciate that. 00:07:20.899 --> 00:07:24.680 My work is nothing compared to the impact that 00:07:24.680 --> 00:07:27.959 you are making in reality. Well, thank you. We 00:07:27.959 --> 00:07:30.579 all do our part, but thank you. We try. We try 00:07:30.579 --> 00:07:36.420 anyways. We host a podcast. I just I do want 00:07:36.420 --> 00:07:42.279 to like just acknowledge that as a podcaster, 00:07:42.379 --> 00:07:45.959 I can get lost in the minutia of editing and 00:07:45.959 --> 00:07:49.319 likes and clicks and this and that. And sometimes 00:07:49.319 --> 00:07:52.300 I get a little disillusioned, like the world 00:07:52.300 --> 00:07:55.300 is burning and we're just talking about Disney 00:07:55.300 --> 00:07:59.939 and monster movies. But I have listeners who 00:07:59.939 --> 00:08:03.459 reach out to me on Camp Kaiju and say, I appreciate 00:08:03.459 --> 00:08:07.360 listening. to you and my co -host Matt and Patrick 00:08:07.360 --> 00:08:11.100 because they look forward to what we bring, and 00:08:11.100 --> 00:08:15.120 it brings them a little joy. And I'm like, okay, 00:08:15.220 --> 00:08:18.360 I can get behind that. So to all you listening, 00:08:18.600 --> 00:08:21.600 I hope this episode brings you joy. I certainly 00:08:21.600 --> 00:08:27.279 hope it doesn't cause you pain. We'll see. Fair. 00:08:27.459 --> 00:08:33.009 That's the goal, to not cause any pain. I like 00:08:33.009 --> 00:08:35.610 that. Oh, I love that. What a great way to start 00:08:35.610 --> 00:08:37.990 the episode, because this movie that we're about 00:08:37.990 --> 00:08:41.110 to talk about is anything but straightforward 00:08:41.110 --> 00:08:44.169 and joyful, I feel like. It's the opposite of 00:08:44.169 --> 00:08:47.149 that. But yeah, full disclosure, Vincent, you 00:08:47.149 --> 00:08:49.929 and I were talking just sort of about life before 00:08:49.929 --> 00:08:52.830 we started recording, and things are a little 00:08:52.830 --> 00:08:54.929 dark right now every once in a while, and that's 00:08:54.929 --> 00:08:58.200 the way life can be. That's great to hear that 00:08:58.200 --> 00:09:00.340 people are reaching out and expressing that they 00:09:00.340 --> 00:09:04.740 find some glimmer of joy and hope in just forgetting 00:09:04.740 --> 00:09:07.080 for a little bit, for like an hour and a half, 00:09:07.139 --> 00:09:10.019 once a week or so. And I have to say, it also 00:09:10.019 --> 00:09:12.440 brings me joy to do these episodes because I 00:09:12.440 --> 00:09:15.059 get to sort of dive into topics that I love and 00:09:15.059 --> 00:09:17.399 hang out with the friends that I love. So right 00:09:17.399 --> 00:09:19.899 back at you, everybody. We love doing it too. 00:09:20.559 --> 00:09:23.759 Yeah, I'm with you, man. So let's talk about 00:09:23.759 --> 00:09:27.870 The Watcher in the Woods. And listeners, what 00:09:27.870 --> 00:09:29.929 we're going to do here is we're going to go through 00:09:29.929 --> 00:09:32.389 the production history of the film, both from 00:09:32.389 --> 00:09:34.889 like the Disney perspective, what was happening 00:09:34.889 --> 00:09:38.990 in the late 70s, early 80s with Disney and maybe 00:09:38.990 --> 00:09:43.450 their live action content. We're going to talk 00:09:43.450 --> 00:09:45.029 about the cast and crew a little bit of this 00:09:45.029 --> 00:09:50.029 film. We have a quiz, the continuation of the 00:09:50.029 --> 00:09:53.679 quiz with me and Patrick. And I think. Where 00:09:53.679 --> 00:09:57.700 our score stands right now is... Uh -oh, I don't 00:09:57.700 --> 00:10:00.220 want to know. Well, for all intents and purposes, 00:10:00.379 --> 00:10:03.019 it's tied. But I have the point half... Perfect. 00:10:03.379 --> 00:10:08.539 Half a point edge on you. So I have 6 .5 to your 00:10:08.539 --> 00:10:11.440 6. So Watcher in the Woods is honestly a tiebreaker 00:10:11.440 --> 00:10:16.019 episode. It's very exciting. It's like, you know, 00:10:16.019 --> 00:10:19.159 Monday Night Football here. It's very suspenseful, 00:10:19.259 --> 00:10:24.409 that's for sure. That's for sure. Okay. Watcher 00:10:24.409 --> 00:10:26.789 in the Woods. Why? Yes. Why Watcher in the Woods? 00:10:28.250 --> 00:10:32.649 Well. Great question. So a mutual listener of 00:10:32.649 --> 00:10:35.769 Gays Do the D and Camp Kaiju, Jeff, we want to 00:10:35.769 --> 00:10:38.769 thank you for lending us your Blu -ray edition 00:10:38.769 --> 00:10:41.409 of The Watcher in the Woods, which is currently 00:10:41.409 --> 00:10:45.710 out of print. Disney no longer prints physical 00:10:45.710 --> 00:10:48.049 media of The Watcher in the Woods, nor do they 00:10:48.049 --> 00:10:52.340 stream it on their Disney Plus platform. Of course, 00:10:52.360 --> 00:10:54.960 I think you can find the movie if you dig deep 00:10:54.960 --> 00:10:58.899 enough in the internet, but this movie is getting 00:10:58.899 --> 00:11:04.120 harder to find each year, and yet I heard that 00:11:04.120 --> 00:11:07.720 it has been called the scariest Disney movie 00:11:07.720 --> 00:11:11.399 of all time. So I immediately wanted to seek 00:11:11.399 --> 00:11:13.639 it out and bring it to this podcast. Perfect 00:11:13.639 --> 00:11:16.460 fit. Yeah, you would think. One would think. 00:11:16.559 --> 00:11:21.549 Absolutely. Yeah, but much like Karen in the 00:11:21.549 --> 00:11:23.850 movie and the book, it has been disappeared fully 00:11:23.850 --> 00:11:29.049 from planet Earth. Watch her in the woods. Maybe 00:11:29.049 --> 00:11:32.610 if we go to Jupiter, it's out there. Who can 00:11:32.610 --> 00:11:36.850 say? Yeah. It's stuck in the space -time limbo 00:11:36.850 --> 00:11:41.909 right now somewhere out there. What is your experience 00:11:41.909 --> 00:11:44.620 with this movie? My personal experience? Okay, 00:11:44.700 --> 00:11:47.039 well, here's a fun fact. You and I watched it 00:11:47.039 --> 00:11:50.679 together at the very same time. I had seen it 00:11:50.679 --> 00:11:54.740 many moons ago because it came out in 1980, but 00:11:54.740 --> 00:11:57.620 it was one of those movies that was on television 00:11:57.620 --> 00:12:01.539 every once in a while in the 90s during the day. 00:12:01.559 --> 00:12:03.440 If you're homesick from school, this actually 00:12:03.440 --> 00:12:07.019 may have been on television here and there for 00:12:07.019 --> 00:12:10.379 some reason. So I remembered having seen it, 00:12:10.399 --> 00:12:14.649 but... Watching it with you, apparently I didn't 00:12:14.649 --> 00:12:16.429 remember anything about the movie because I was 00:12:16.429 --> 00:12:19.669 shocked at every turn of the movie of like, oh, 00:12:19.769 --> 00:12:21.789 this story, I do not remember this character 00:12:21.789 --> 00:12:24.470 or this storyline or this weird plot twist or 00:12:24.470 --> 00:12:27.049 lack thereof a plot twist. Yeah, it was just 00:12:27.049 --> 00:12:31.110 watching it through fresh adult eyes was definitely 00:12:31.110 --> 00:12:35.389 a trip. I hesitate to sort of say, I don't actually 00:12:35.389 --> 00:12:39.259 mean this, but I kind of understand. why Disney 00:12:39.259 --> 00:12:41.419 doesn't necessarily promote this movie anymore 00:12:41.419 --> 00:12:44.840 because it's not necessarily a well -made movie, 00:12:45.019 --> 00:12:47.620 if I'm being very honest with you, like just 00:12:47.620 --> 00:12:50.539 in my initial thoughts. It's definitely, I can 00:12:50.539 --> 00:12:54.299 appreciate the movie from the perspective of 00:12:54.299 --> 00:12:56.679 when they made it. It was probably a little bit 00:12:56.679 --> 00:12:58.700 more cutting edge and a little bit more exciting 00:12:58.700 --> 00:13:01.080 than it is in today's standards. So you have 00:13:01.080 --> 00:13:04.090 to like... watch movies like these with the perspective 00:13:04.090 --> 00:13:06.690 of somebody watching it in 1980 and going oh 00:13:06.690 --> 00:13:09.230 okay maybe in 1980 this was a lot better than 00:13:09.230 --> 00:13:11.889 it is today although it didn't get reviews in 00:13:11.889 --> 00:13:14.990 1980 well good reviews in 1980 either so yeah 00:13:14.990 --> 00:13:17.289 so maybe it just like wasn't a good movie then 00:13:17.289 --> 00:13:19.570 but i'm not saying it's not a good movie now 00:13:19.570 --> 00:13:23.009 i'll talk more about that later but sure you 00:13:23.009 --> 00:13:24.789 bring up that time period you're watching this 00:13:24.789 --> 00:13:29.769 movie in the theaters in the 80s we're just coming 00:13:29.769 --> 00:13:33.570 out of the 70s but like I am new to this time 00:13:33.570 --> 00:13:36.950 period in Disney's live action history. Sure. 00:13:37.149 --> 00:13:40.610 So how does this compare to, and I'm just throwing 00:13:40.610 --> 00:13:43.909 out other movies I've, I'm aware of like the 00:13:43.909 --> 00:13:47.950 race to which mountain or, or the escape, whichever 00:13:47.950 --> 00:13:50.870 ones were out in the seventies, you know? Sure. 00:13:50.929 --> 00:13:53.549 Yeah. So if you look at, if you, if you take 00:13:53.549 --> 00:13:55.529 the historical lens, like basically specifically 00:13:55.529 --> 00:14:02.289 from Disney. So at this time period, I don't 00:14:02.289 --> 00:14:04.009 want to use the word flailing, but they were 00:14:04.009 --> 00:14:06.450 definitely in a very experimental stage of their 00:14:06.450 --> 00:14:09.990 history. The animation movement had died down 00:14:09.990 --> 00:14:11.669 a little bit. They still had their classics, 00:14:11.690 --> 00:14:13.470 and they were still pumping out a couple of movies 00:14:13.470 --> 00:14:18.529 every year or so, animation -wise. So they were 00:14:18.529 --> 00:14:21.210 getting kids in the Disney fold with that. They 00:14:21.210 --> 00:14:24.330 never really had a problem there. Once they started 00:14:24.330 --> 00:14:26.529 making live -action comedies, they also had sort 00:14:26.529 --> 00:14:29.620 of an adult base, right? Think about the Shaggy 00:14:29.620 --> 00:14:33.299 Dog, the 1950s and 60s, Herbie, all those crazy, 00:14:33.340 --> 00:14:36.820 wacky films. They realized at this time that 00:14:36.820 --> 00:14:39.659 they weren't really getting those late teens 00:14:39.659 --> 00:14:43.039 and 20s audiences in the fold. So they weren't 00:14:43.039 --> 00:14:44.639 really going to see the cartoons and they weren't 00:14:44.639 --> 00:14:47.259 really going to see these more adult comedies. 00:14:47.320 --> 00:14:50.340 They weren't really hitting with teens. And at 00:14:50.340 --> 00:14:52.580 this time, I think you'll talk about this a little 00:14:52.580 --> 00:15:00.720 bit more as well. just wasn't playing. They weren't 00:15:00.720 --> 00:15:07.139 in the game necessarily. So they were scrambling 00:15:07.139 --> 00:15:09.460 to figure out how to get that age group, how 00:15:09.460 --> 00:15:13.080 to sort of bring the sci -fi, the horror fans, 00:15:13.399 --> 00:15:16.059 who were mostly teens and people in their 20s, 00:15:16.059 --> 00:15:19.879 early 30s, into the movie theaters. This also 00:15:19.879 --> 00:15:22.740 was the early days of then, if you remember, 00:15:22.980 --> 00:15:27.759 Touchstone was in the early 80s. started to hit 00:15:27.759 --> 00:15:30.460 the scenes, which was a subset of Disney. This 00:15:30.460 --> 00:15:33.639 was the movie company that they decided to put 00:15:33.639 --> 00:15:35.600 all of their movies they didn't know what to 00:15:35.600 --> 00:15:37.740 do with under the Disney umbrella. They put them 00:15:37.740 --> 00:15:39.940 under the umbrella of Touchstone. Think the movie 00:15:39.940 --> 00:15:43.659 Splash or Risky Business, all those kind of movies, 00:15:43.720 --> 00:15:45.259 anything with Bette Midler in it would be under 00:15:45.259 --> 00:15:49.860 Touchstone. This movie, however, came out right 00:15:49.860 --> 00:15:52.700 before Touchstone hit. This was them going, we 00:15:52.700 --> 00:15:55.440 need to figure out, like I said, a way to get 00:15:55.440 --> 00:15:59.960 these teens and early 20s audiences in, and we 00:15:59.960 --> 00:16:02.779 want to dabble into something that isn't so childish 00:16:02.779 --> 00:16:08.159 as well and not a comedy. We get a movie like 00:16:08.159 --> 00:16:11.179 Watcher in the Woods. The book had come out a 00:16:11.179 --> 00:16:13.399 couple of years previously. They grabbed onto 00:16:13.399 --> 00:16:15.679 it because it was right in that age range of 00:16:15.679 --> 00:16:19.179 even where the book was selling to, you know, 00:16:19.179 --> 00:16:21.860 late teens, early 20s audiences. And they figured 00:16:21.860 --> 00:16:25.700 this might be a movie we want to make. There 00:16:25.700 --> 00:16:28.179 was talk about this being their version of The 00:16:28.179 --> 00:16:33.360 Exorcist, strangely. Well, I mean, sure. If Disney 00:16:33.360 --> 00:16:36.379 were to make The Exorcist. Yeah. This would be 00:16:36.379 --> 00:16:40.860 it, I guess. Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. But 00:16:40.860 --> 00:16:43.519 again, this was incredibly experimental for Disney. 00:16:43.620 --> 00:16:46.779 And so I think that's sort of why we get a little 00:16:46.779 --> 00:16:49.799 bit, in my opinion, of a muddled movie, because 00:16:49.799 --> 00:16:53.039 this is their first time really delving into 00:16:53.039 --> 00:16:54.980 something that they were trying to make scary. 00:16:55.419 --> 00:16:57.279 Whereas movies like Something Wicked This Way 00:16:57.279 --> 00:17:00.399 Comes, Race to Witch Mountain, or Escape to Witch 00:17:00.399 --> 00:17:02.820 Mountain, they were a little bit more of the 00:17:02.820 --> 00:17:06.329 Disney formula with... a little bit of a hype 00:17:06.329 --> 00:17:08.490 and a hypersensitive supernatural element to 00:17:08.490 --> 00:17:10.630 them, but they weren't going for necessarily 00:17:10.630 --> 00:17:12.710 a horror movie. This was their attempt at making 00:17:12.710 --> 00:17:16.750 a Disney horror movie. And so you can see that, 00:17:16.789 --> 00:17:19.349 that this is their very first and probably last 00:17:19.349 --> 00:17:21.750 attempt at making a Disney horror movie. You 00:17:21.750 --> 00:17:25.490 could argue. So, yeah, right. A horror movie 00:17:25.490 --> 00:17:29.029 with, with that takes itself very seriously. 00:17:29.349 --> 00:17:32.789 It does. Yeah. Yeah. And, but it's, it's interesting 00:17:32.789 --> 00:17:37.710 because, I think you can make a, quote, Disney 00:17:37.710 --> 00:17:41.430 horror movie. But you really, I think, have to 00:17:41.430 --> 00:17:46.690 be very intentional maybe about the choices you're 00:17:46.690 --> 00:17:55.170 making in terms of direction. Because how my 00:17:55.170 --> 00:18:00.350 brain works, Disney and horror do not mix. Disney, 00:18:00.350 --> 00:18:04.609 if you're not going to do violence or other suggestive 00:18:04.609 --> 00:18:08.589 content, well, okay, but then how do you make 00:18:08.589 --> 00:18:11.750 it work? And obviously horror does exist in the 00:18:11.750 --> 00:18:15.369 children's world, but there's a way to do it. 00:18:15.690 --> 00:18:17.730 So I agree with you. It's a little muddled, the 00:18:17.730 --> 00:18:20.930 finished product, and there was conflict between 00:18:20.930 --> 00:18:25.410 the producers and the director and whatnot on 00:18:25.410 --> 00:18:28.460 that tone that we're talking about. And I think 00:18:28.460 --> 00:18:31.599 they were held back a little bit. Had this come 00:18:31.599 --> 00:18:34.559 out four years later when Touchstone was a thing, 00:18:34.740 --> 00:18:37.200 I think it would have been a better movie. I 00:18:37.200 --> 00:18:39.339 think they were held back by keeping it under 00:18:39.339 --> 00:18:43.500 the Disney banner because they hold the word 00:18:43.500 --> 00:18:46.420 and the title Disney so precious and they can't 00:18:46.420 --> 00:18:49.259 offend too many people that I think they held 00:18:49.259 --> 00:18:52.420 themselves back by that. I fully believe if they 00:18:52.420 --> 00:18:55.759 had utilized the Touchstone Pictures realm to 00:18:55.759 --> 00:18:57.769 make this movie, it would have been... they would 00:18:57.769 --> 00:18:59.769 have leaned more into the horror genre of it. 00:19:00.109 --> 00:19:03.650 That fascinates me, the fact that you could think 00:19:03.650 --> 00:19:06.789 that exactly what you said, like this movie just 00:19:06.789 --> 00:19:10.930 came out one year too early. I think so, yeah. 00:19:11.029 --> 00:19:14.849 It's just like, oh. But maybe, I don't know, 00:19:14.950 --> 00:19:18.470 whoever's in charge learns lessons from what 00:19:18.470 --> 00:19:20.470 they did with Watcher in the Woods. Absolutely. 00:19:20.490 --> 00:19:22.670 I have to believe that they definitely took this 00:19:22.670 --> 00:19:25.519 as a blueprint for what... they could do and 00:19:25.519 --> 00:19:27.779 they learned from their mistakes because touchstone 00:19:27.779 --> 00:19:31.220 then became a juggernaut like they were make 00:19:31.220 --> 00:19:35.779 they were the biggest movie company in the the 00:19:35.779 --> 00:19:38.680 late 80s and 90s and so they learned a ton from 00:19:38.680 --> 00:19:41.559 this movie for sure a film like arachnophobia 00:19:41.559 --> 00:19:44.640 comes to mind that's a touchstone horror film 00:19:44.640 --> 00:19:48.400 that works as like a family fright fest like 00:19:48.400 --> 00:19:51.539 it's like that that's a I think that's a brilliant 00:19:51.539 --> 00:19:54.640 movie, honestly. It's one of my favorites. Yeah. 00:19:55.559 --> 00:19:59.779 And go back and listen to your episode of Arachnophobia 00:19:59.779 --> 00:20:04.519 on Camp Kaiju. It's a great episode. Do you ever 00:20:04.519 --> 00:20:09.079 find it surprising when you meet somebody who 00:20:09.079 --> 00:20:13.140 doesn't like horror movies? That's a great question. 00:20:13.299 --> 00:20:18.079 I don't know if surprising is... I'm being a 00:20:18.079 --> 00:20:21.079 little facetious. Yeah, no, but I do feel like, 00:20:21.099 --> 00:20:24.640 oh, you don't quite get me then. If I can't watch 00:20:24.640 --> 00:20:28.019 a horror movie with you, then, yeah, we might 00:20:28.019 --> 00:20:31.220 be limited in our conversations. Yeah, yeah, 00:20:31.279 --> 00:20:34.740 because I'm like, we're the same mind. We love 00:20:34.740 --> 00:20:39.859 horror movies and the macabre. But looking at 00:20:39.859 --> 00:20:43.799 us, you never know. We look straight -laced. 00:20:46.779 --> 00:20:51.279 Yeah. But, you know, come Halloween, there are 00:20:51.279 --> 00:20:55.119 monsters. So, yeah, when I meet somebody who's 00:20:55.119 --> 00:20:57.940 like, oh, I don't watch horror movies, I'm just 00:20:57.940 --> 00:21:00.440 like, oh, I guess I'm in my own little bubble 00:21:00.440 --> 00:21:05.039 here. All right. It's true. It's true. But, yeah, 00:21:05.119 --> 00:21:06.940 it's like when people are like, I don't like 00:21:06.940 --> 00:21:08.700 roller coasters, which is fine. It's like, oh, 00:21:08.720 --> 00:21:10.559 okay, well, if we go to a theme park together, 00:21:10.759 --> 00:21:14.700 there's very little we can do together. If you 00:21:14.700 --> 00:21:15.759 don't like roller coasters. I'm not a roller 00:21:15.759 --> 00:21:17.799 coaster person. That's fair. Yeah. So I know 00:21:17.799 --> 00:21:20.940 not to go there with you. Well, you know, you'll 00:21:20.940 --> 00:21:23.900 find me at all the shows. That's right. Absolutely. 00:21:24.299 --> 00:21:30.359 And same though. Amazing. Amazing. I don't want 00:21:30.359 --> 00:21:33.380 to get too off top. No, we'll continue. I was 00:21:33.380 --> 00:21:36.079 just going to say, I've always, I was always 00:21:36.079 --> 00:21:41.339 nervous, but interested in writing. Is it Space 00:21:41.339 --> 00:21:47.730 Mountain? Yeah. I never got on it. Listen, stay 00:21:47.730 --> 00:21:49.349 away from it if you don't like roller coasters. 00:21:49.529 --> 00:21:53.630 Space Mountain is no joke, my friend. Okay. Thank 00:21:53.630 --> 00:21:56.890 you. Thank you for telling me. I can't recommend 00:21:56.890 --> 00:22:03.650 it if you don't like roller coasters. Okay. There 00:22:03.650 --> 00:22:06.750 you go. Love horror movies. I'm still a scaredy 00:22:06.750 --> 00:22:10.029 cat. But, you know. Yeah, that's fair. We contain 00:22:10.029 --> 00:22:15.779 multitudes. We sure do. You should do. All right. 00:22:15.819 --> 00:22:20.099 As did the 70s and 80s with their sci -fi and 00:22:20.099 --> 00:22:24.500 horror genres. Yeah. Great segue there. So we 00:22:24.500 --> 00:22:27.299 talked about the Disney context of Watcher in 00:22:27.299 --> 00:22:30.880 the Woods. Yeah. I was digging into the horror 00:22:30.880 --> 00:22:34.680 context of this time period. And it didn't take 00:22:34.680 --> 00:22:38.099 me long to figure out or to obviously realize, 00:22:38.240 --> 00:22:40.700 oh, there are some big titles that I love to 00:22:40.700 --> 00:22:45.579 talk about. But also some trends started to emerge, 00:22:45.720 --> 00:22:48.700 which I found interesting, related to The Watcher 00:22:48.700 --> 00:22:52.500 in the Woods. So first off, in my estimation, 00:22:52.759 --> 00:22:56.519 I'm watching Watcher in the Woods. It's not a 00:22:56.519 --> 00:23:00.180 small project from Disney. It's something they 00:23:00.180 --> 00:23:04.900 want to push as a big movie, big release, as 00:23:04.900 --> 00:23:11.519 a big release. At this time, in cinema, in, you 00:23:11.519 --> 00:23:17.460 know, Let me back up. In movie making, in the 00:23:17.460 --> 00:23:21.920 late 70s, you had a number of high concept movies 00:23:21.920 --> 00:23:25.519 being made, meaning these movies take place on 00:23:25.519 --> 00:23:29.099 the ocean with a giant shark or in space with 00:23:29.099 --> 00:23:31.680 a bunch of aliens fighting a galactic battle. 00:23:32.319 --> 00:23:36.099 Yes. Before this time period, these movies weren't 00:23:36.099 --> 00:23:40.240 made on an A level. They were relegated to cheapy 00:23:40.240 --> 00:23:44.119 B movies. But, folks, Spielberg, Lucas, and the 00:23:44.119 --> 00:23:48.339 sort ushered in the era of the blockbuster. So, 00:23:48.460 --> 00:23:50.599 Watcher in the Woods started filming in August 00:23:50.599 --> 00:23:55.619 1979. In the late 70s, you had Star Wars, obviously, 00:23:55.720 --> 00:23:59.019 in 77. Close Encounters of the Third Kind. These 00:23:59.019 --> 00:24:01.339 are, especially Close Encounters, they're like, 00:24:01.519 --> 00:24:05.160 they're also deep movies. They're not just popcorn 00:24:05.160 --> 00:24:08.420 fare. And I think Watcher in the Woods kind of 00:24:08.420 --> 00:24:12.319 wants to live in that world with the high concept 00:24:12.319 --> 00:24:17.460 movies. I agree. Yeah. But there's also a lot 00:24:17.460 --> 00:24:21.200 of horror films at this time period. And the 00:24:21.200 --> 00:24:26.920 popular ones that I include are Carrie from 1976, 00:24:27.579 --> 00:24:33.160 Halloween 1978, the Amityville Horror 1979. And 00:24:33.160 --> 00:24:35.539 again, these are also catering to the teen demographic. 00:24:35.619 --> 00:24:38.099 So if Disney's wanting to get a slice of that 00:24:38.099 --> 00:24:42.019 pie, well, I mean, this has been the case since 00:24:42.019 --> 00:24:44.180 movies have been made. Teenagers love horror 00:24:44.180 --> 00:24:46.579 movies. It's just something about the genre. 00:24:47.099 --> 00:24:51.579 That's true. In 1980, when Watcher in the Woods 00:24:51.579 --> 00:24:54.980 had its official premiere, Friday the 13th was 00:24:54.980 --> 00:24:58.599 released. That's right, yeah. And then three 00:24:58.599 --> 00:25:00.660 movies that I included because they are also 00:25:00.660 --> 00:25:04.359 ghost movies. The Fog by John Carpenter, The 00:25:04.359 --> 00:25:08.680 Shining, and The Changeling. And so I'm just 00:25:08.680 --> 00:25:12.299 thinking about other ghost movies that were released 00:25:12.299 --> 00:25:16.339 at the same time. Yeah. And was there something 00:25:16.339 --> 00:25:19.099 about ghosts and the supernatural specifically 00:25:19.099 --> 00:25:23.960 in the culture at that time? I don't know. Hard 00:25:23.960 --> 00:25:27.700 to know. Yeah. I have kind of a theory around. 00:25:28.720 --> 00:25:32.099 trends when it comes to horror and sci -fi because 00:25:32.099 --> 00:25:34.440 those go fairly hand in hand together they're 00:25:34.440 --> 00:25:36.759 not exactly the same thing but it always seems 00:25:36.759 --> 00:25:41.039 to me that after like something very big culturally 00:25:41.039 --> 00:25:45.140 politically happens we then get a boom of of 00:25:45.140 --> 00:25:49.160 horror movies or sci -fi movies So if you think 00:25:49.160 --> 00:25:51.519 about it, like, Nixon was a big thing happening 00:25:51.519 --> 00:25:53.980 around this time, and Vietnam was just ending 00:25:53.980 --> 00:25:55.519 at this time, and so we're still getting out 00:25:55.519 --> 00:25:58.019 of that. And so, I mean, this is honestly just 00:25:58.019 --> 00:26:00.980 me hypothesizing, but this also happened sort 00:26:00.980 --> 00:26:03.500 of after World War II as well. We got a lot of 00:26:03.500 --> 00:26:06.460 interesting horror movies happening around that 00:26:06.460 --> 00:26:09.009 time as well. And so I wonder if that's just 00:26:09.009 --> 00:26:10.809 sort of a cultural thing where people were just 00:26:10.809 --> 00:26:12.849 looking for movies that had a very clear good 00:26:12.849 --> 00:26:14.869 guy and bad guy. You know what I mean? Where 00:26:14.869 --> 00:26:17.230 there wasn't any questions about it, which is 00:26:17.230 --> 00:26:19.529 sort of like, this is good, this is bad, but 00:26:19.529 --> 00:26:22.609 we're not going to try to get too political or 00:26:22.609 --> 00:26:26.309 too superhero -y or too, you know, evangelist 00:26:26.309 --> 00:26:28.109 about it. We're just going to give you something 00:26:28.109 --> 00:26:31.410 that's entertaining with a very clear good guy, 00:26:31.430 --> 00:26:34.039 bad guy. With usually the good guy winning in 00:26:34.039 --> 00:26:36.220 the end kind of a movie. So I don't know. That's 00:26:36.220 --> 00:26:38.000 just a theory I have. I don't know if it sticks 00:26:38.000 --> 00:26:40.240 or not, but something that I've been thinking 00:26:40.240 --> 00:26:43.859 about. My armchair theory that you're prompting 00:26:43.859 --> 00:26:46.660 me on to think about is, you know, late 70s, 00:26:46.660 --> 00:26:49.960 it's post Watergate. You know, there's an election 00:26:49.960 --> 00:26:54.160 in the fall of 1980 with Reagan coming in and 00:26:54.160 --> 00:26:57.839 people were just disillusioned with politics 00:26:57.839 --> 00:27:02.150 and the economy was terrible. So I've read in 00:27:02.150 --> 00:27:08.269 my history books. And maybe coincidentally, maybe 00:27:08.269 --> 00:27:11.529 not, it's coinciding with the rise of popular 00:27:11.529 --> 00:27:17.950 high -concept stories. Is this indicative of 00:27:17.950 --> 00:27:22.690 a need to escape, an escapism, which I fully 00:27:22.690 --> 00:27:26.970 dived into? During COVID, for instance, I just 00:27:26.970 --> 00:27:29.630 wanted popcorn fare. I just want to shut my brain 00:27:29.630 --> 00:27:32.529 off for a couple hours. So yeah, maybe there's 00:27:32.529 --> 00:27:36.849 something to that. Yeah. And just sort of like 00:27:36.849 --> 00:27:39.849 the emotion that these movies evoke from you, 00:27:39.890 --> 00:27:41.950 just like psychically a little bit. You know 00:27:41.950 --> 00:27:43.630 what I mean? Like when you go to the movies, 00:27:43.769 --> 00:27:45.569 these are the movies that you're going to go 00:27:45.569 --> 00:27:49.630 see to sort of have an adrenaline rush a little 00:27:49.630 --> 00:27:53.109 bit or like a cerebral rush as well that is different 00:27:53.109 --> 00:27:56.980 than sitting. And like stewing in sorrow or, 00:27:57.079 --> 00:27:59.500 you know, feeling angsty. These definitely have 00:27:59.500 --> 00:28:02.380 the very opposite effect of that, you know? So 00:28:02.380 --> 00:28:04.519 to me, there's something there as well. Yeah. 00:28:05.059 --> 00:28:08.539 Yeah. So it's a really interesting time culturally 00:28:08.539 --> 00:28:12.319 in the United States. And I think a really rich 00:28:12.319 --> 00:28:16.859 time in cinema at this era. Because this is when 00:28:16.859 --> 00:28:20.200 all the classics are established for like the 00:28:20.200 --> 00:28:24.960 stuff we grew up on and love. I still have to 00:28:24.960 --> 00:28:27.180 talk about Friday the 13th on Camp Kaiju at some 00:28:27.180 --> 00:28:30.339 point, if you want to come on. Oh, I will. You 00:28:30.339 --> 00:28:32.940 know me. I will absolutely come on for that. 00:28:33.039 --> 00:28:35.220 Yeah. Yeah. It's definitely a cinematic cultural 00:28:35.220 --> 00:28:39.000 shift, too, this time in the late 70s, early 00:28:39.000 --> 00:28:44.019 80s. Things changed dramatically and sort of 00:28:44.019 --> 00:28:48.059 wrote the book of the movies we watch today are 00:28:48.059 --> 00:28:51.259 happening because of these movies in the late 00:28:51.259 --> 00:28:54.859 70s. Yeah. That's all pretty cool. I love that. 00:28:54.920 --> 00:28:58.160 I love talking about this stuff. The cast and 00:28:58.160 --> 00:29:00.539 crew of The Watcher in the Woods, extensive. 00:29:01.400 --> 00:29:03.960 Patrick, I think we can, if you want, we don't 00:29:03.960 --> 00:29:06.299 have to go through all these names. No, no, we 00:29:06.299 --> 00:29:09.460 don't. And credits. But first and foremost, The 00:29:09.460 --> 00:29:12.819 Watcher in the Woods stars the Betty Davis, the 00:29:12.819 --> 00:29:16.660 Hollywood icon, legend of classic Hollywood. 00:29:17.559 --> 00:29:19.480 She's definitely the name they brought onto this 00:29:19.480 --> 00:29:23.740 movie to get. adults also to see this movie because 00:29:23.740 --> 00:29:26.740 Betty Davis, around this time, this was also 00:29:26.740 --> 00:29:29.220 some of the reason why they rushed the movie. 00:29:29.380 --> 00:29:31.220 I don't want to get too off track here, but it 00:29:31.220 --> 00:29:34.099 was soon to be the 50th anniversary of her first 00:29:34.099 --> 00:29:37.039 film. And so this movie sort of coincided with 00:29:37.039 --> 00:29:39.839 that as well, like sort of sealing her in as 00:29:39.839 --> 00:29:42.099 a Hollywood legend. So this would have been the 00:29:42.099 --> 00:29:44.339 50 -year anniversary of her making movies was 00:29:44.339 --> 00:29:47.039 The Watcher in the Woods. Right. I see that she 00:29:47.039 --> 00:29:49.660 was born April 5th, which happens to be my birthday. 00:29:50.190 --> 00:29:53.690 Although she was born in 1908. I'm not that old. 00:29:54.150 --> 00:29:57.910 She won the Oscar for Best Actress twice. She 00:29:57.910 --> 00:30:00.849 was the first person to accrue 10 Academy Award 00:30:00.849 --> 00:30:06.309 nominations for acting. And a plethora of other 00:30:06.309 --> 00:30:11.029 recommendations. Yeah, so books have been written, 00:30:11.089 --> 00:30:14.089 movies have been made. Go watch some Bette Davis 00:30:14.089 --> 00:30:17.609 classics. Including Watcher in the Woods. Watcher 00:30:17.609 --> 00:30:19.630 in the Woods. She may not call it a classic. 00:30:20.419 --> 00:30:22.299 Well, she doesn't say anything these days because 00:30:22.299 --> 00:30:25.920 she's no longer with us. Are you sure? Betty 00:30:25.920 --> 00:30:29.960 Davis? Yeah. I imagine so. I guess I'm not. Now 00:30:29.960 --> 00:30:32.460 I'm questioning it. I'm like, she'd be quite 00:30:32.460 --> 00:30:37.460 elderly at this point. But now I'm like, well, 00:30:37.500 --> 00:30:43.839 maybe she is 108 years old. I don't know. No, 00:30:44.099 --> 00:30:51.519 she'd be 113. Here we go. Yeah. 113 years old. 00:30:51.579 --> 00:30:54.960 I mean, she could be. God bless. She's not alive. 00:30:55.240 --> 00:30:58.680 But in theory, people have lived that long. Fair. 00:30:58.779 --> 00:31:06.140 Yeah, absolutely. R .I .P. Betty Davis. You legend. 00:31:06.559 --> 00:31:09.000 I almost got you there. You did. I was like, 00:31:09.059 --> 00:31:16.460 wait. I'm second guessing it. In the sequel, 00:31:16.599 --> 00:31:22.940 she will play the ghost. Jeez. We have to move 00:31:22.940 --> 00:31:25.819 on immediately. No, there's no one else in this 00:31:25.819 --> 00:31:30.880 movie worth talking about. Well, you talk about 00:31:30.880 --> 00:31:33.799 some. Are there any Disney alums in here? Any? 00:31:34.039 --> 00:31:37.880 Well, there's one. Kyle. So Kyle Richards is 00:31:37.880 --> 00:31:40.160 in it. Gays who the defense will know Kyle Richards 00:31:40.160 --> 00:31:42.920 from The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. She 00:31:42.920 --> 00:31:45.920 is a recurring cast member on that. And you would 00:31:45.920 --> 00:31:48.000 know her, Vincent. She was in the original Halloween 00:31:48.000 --> 00:31:49.640 as well. She was one of the little kids that 00:31:49.640 --> 00:31:53.480 was being babysat in that movie. But she also, 00:31:53.599 --> 00:31:55.880 I believe it was either her or her sister or 00:31:55.880 --> 00:31:58.500 maybe both of them made appearances or were in 00:31:58.500 --> 00:32:01.160 Escape to Witch Mountain and Return from Witch 00:32:01.160 --> 00:32:03.640 Mountain as well. So they did have a couple of 00:32:03.640 --> 00:32:06.299 Disney credits there. And she was a reoccurring 00:32:06.299 --> 00:32:07.759 character in Little House on the Prairie as well. 00:32:07.799 --> 00:32:10.660 So kind of a bigger name. Wow. At least in today's 00:32:10.660 --> 00:32:13.619 standards. Yeah. Yeah. And then she went on to 00:32:13.619 --> 00:32:16.970 do. Some of the sequels of Halloween, the ones 00:32:16.970 --> 00:32:20.670 that came out in the later 2000s, Halloween Ends 00:32:20.670 --> 00:32:23.990 and Halloween Kills. She comes back and recreates 00:32:23.990 --> 00:32:27.130 her character in those movies as well. Nice. 00:32:27.410 --> 00:32:30.250 Good for her. A little crossover there. Yeah, 00:32:30.269 --> 00:32:34.369 for sure. Yeah. Lynn Holly Johnson plays Jan 00:32:34.369 --> 00:32:38.750 Curtis. She is the lead. She is a... Correct 00:32:38.750 --> 00:32:40.549 me if I'm wrong. It's been a minute since we 00:32:40.549 --> 00:32:43.220 watched the movie, but... Lynn Holly Johnson 00:32:43.220 --> 00:32:47.059 as Jan Curtis. She is the lead of this movie. 00:32:47.259 --> 00:32:52.619 She's a teenage girl who delves deeper and deeper 00:32:52.619 --> 00:32:57.660 into this mystery because she is, in her mind, 00:32:57.720 --> 00:33:01.380 maybe like being stalked, haunted by the Bette 00:33:01.380 --> 00:33:05.019 Davis character, Mrs. Alewood. And as we find 00:33:05.019 --> 00:33:09.720 out, Mrs. Alewood, sorry, as we find out, Lynn 00:33:09.720 --> 00:33:12.589 Holly Johnson is Jan Curtis. mightily resembles 00:33:12.589 --> 00:33:16.950 mrs alewood's long lost daughter who is believed 00:33:16.950 --> 00:33:20.329 dead so there's like a mystery there of identity 00:33:20.329 --> 00:33:25.029 and does jan have a connection to the daughter 00:33:25.029 --> 00:33:28.289 is there something spiritual supernatural going 00:33:28.289 --> 00:33:31.849 on that's kind of the core mystery um but lynn 00:33:31.849 --> 00:33:34.089 holly johnson was nominated for a golden globe 00:33:34.089 --> 00:33:38.009 not for this movie for a movie called ice castles 00:33:38.009 --> 00:33:42.049 where she plays a blind Figure skater? Mm -hmm. 00:33:42.829 --> 00:33:48.650 Okay. She does indeed. And she won a Razzie for 00:33:48.650 --> 00:33:52.049 worst supporting actress in Where the Boys Are 00:33:52.049 --> 00:33:56.190 in 1985. Two very opposite ends of the spectrum 00:33:56.190 --> 00:33:58.650 there. She went from a real high to a real low. 00:33:59.410 --> 00:34:02.069 Well, I mean, those are kind of the big names 00:34:02.069 --> 00:34:05.480 in the movie. They're, I mean, a lot of... People 00:34:05.480 --> 00:34:06.740 will be like, well, what about this person? So 00:34:06.740 --> 00:34:09.960 the rest of the cast, Carol Baker as the mother, 00:34:10.159 --> 00:34:14.019 David McCallum as the dad. He's more of a British 00:34:14.019 --> 00:34:16.480 actor that a lot of people may know. Benedict 00:34:16.480 --> 00:34:20.500 Taylor, Francis Kuka, I believe is how you pronounce 00:34:20.500 --> 00:34:23.440 that name. Richard Pascoe, Ian Brennan, Catherine 00:34:23.440 --> 00:34:26.400 Levy, and Eleanor Summerfield sort of round out 00:34:26.400 --> 00:34:30.510 the cast of characters in this movie who... sort 00:34:30.510 --> 00:34:32.929 of may or may not have something to do with this 00:34:32.929 --> 00:34:35.789 mystery that is unfolding within the woods. And 00:34:35.789 --> 00:34:38.809 yeah, a lot of them play red herrings in the 00:34:38.809 --> 00:34:41.969 movie. A lot of them play very specific, this 00:34:41.969 --> 00:34:45.070 is their fault people in the movie. Yeah, it's 00:34:45.070 --> 00:34:48.170 kind of an interesting cast of characters that 00:34:48.170 --> 00:34:51.630 fly in and out of the movie. And I'll be honest, 00:34:51.690 --> 00:34:55.400 I wasn't always certain who. everyone was in 00:34:55.400 --> 00:34:57.539 the movie while we were watching it. Cause it, 00:34:57.559 --> 00:34:59.679 there wasn't a lot of exposition in this movie, 00:34:59.739 --> 00:35:01.440 which usually is great for me. I'm like, cause 00:35:01.440 --> 00:35:03.380 I don't love exposition, but I really needed 00:35:03.380 --> 00:35:07.260 it for this movie. Totally. Yeah. Yeah. Going 00:35:07.260 --> 00:35:12.059 back to the muddled nature. Who is the like hunky 00:35:12.059 --> 00:35:18.500 blonde farm boy that, Oh, sure. That would have 00:35:18.500 --> 00:35:22.679 been Benedict Taylor. Mike Fleming was the character's 00:35:22.679 --> 00:35:25.969 name. Mike Fleming. Okay. Mike Fleming. He was, 00:35:26.010 --> 00:35:29.710 you know, he wasn't the brightest bulb in the 00:35:29.710 --> 00:35:33.650 box. Is that right? That's fair to say. Yeah. 00:35:33.829 --> 00:35:37.849 Yeah. It was a weird character. We'll talk about 00:35:37.849 --> 00:35:39.750 it a little bit later on. In the book, it's a 00:35:39.750 --> 00:35:42.349 much more fleshed out character. But in this 00:35:42.349 --> 00:35:45.269 movie, he was just sort of, he just suddenly 00:35:45.269 --> 00:35:47.670 was there for some reason, right? Remember, we 00:35:47.670 --> 00:35:49.150 were watching, we're like, who is this kid? And 00:35:49.150 --> 00:35:50.730 why is he talking to the main character? You're 00:35:50.730 --> 00:35:53.559 right. He always kind of just showed up. And 00:35:53.559 --> 00:35:55.739 I remember thinking this was a critique I had 00:35:55.739 --> 00:35:59.320 of the film. His character and the Lynn Holly 00:35:59.320 --> 00:36:06.019 Johnson character, they were presented like they 00:36:06.019 --> 00:36:09.960 were in a boyfriend -girlfriend situation. Like 00:36:09.960 --> 00:36:12.400 they were very flirty with each other. And in 00:36:12.400 --> 00:36:15.860 any other movie, you would expect them to be 00:36:15.860 --> 00:36:18.739 in that kind of situation. But maybe because 00:36:18.739 --> 00:36:22.099 it's a Disney movie, they never actually, you 00:36:22.099 --> 00:36:24.730 know. They didn't make out or anything. And in 00:36:24.730 --> 00:36:29.030 a horror movie from 1980, that's what you would 00:36:29.030 --> 00:36:31.690 want. That's what teens want to see. Exactly. 00:36:32.170 --> 00:36:35.190 Yeah, exactly. It wasn't ever very clear what 00:36:35.190 --> 00:36:37.769 their relationship was other than he was just 00:36:37.769 --> 00:36:41.369 there in the movie. They suddenly appeared out 00:36:41.369 --> 00:36:44.829 of nowhere and they were friends. So, okay. Great. 00:36:45.130 --> 00:36:51.170 Yeah. The director of The Watcher in the Woods, 00:36:51.349 --> 00:36:54.449 John, Huff, I'm going to say, because I knew 00:36:54.449 --> 00:36:56.690 somebody in college with that last name spelled 00:36:56.690 --> 00:37:00.429 that way. But John Huff, he was kind of a journeyman 00:37:00.429 --> 00:37:03.230 director. Some credits to his name include Sudden 00:37:03.230 --> 00:37:05.889 Terror, Twins of Evil, The Legend of Hell House, 00:37:06.150 --> 00:37:09.690 Escape to Witch Mountain, and Return from Witch 00:37:09.690 --> 00:37:12.550 Mountain. So he had worked with Disney before. 00:37:13.070 --> 00:37:16.610 Yeah. And clearly had worked in this genre before. 00:37:17.469 --> 00:37:19.630 Yeah, I think he was a very specific choice for 00:37:19.630 --> 00:37:22.550 them because he had dabbled on both sides of 00:37:22.550 --> 00:37:26.570 the spectrum there. Yeah. An uncredited director, 00:37:27.030 --> 00:37:33.789 Vincent McAvity, was more of a TV director, things 00:37:33.789 --> 00:37:37.190 like Star Trek, Perry Mason, Bonanza, but some 00:37:37.190 --> 00:37:38.809 Disney movies. Do you want to talk about those? 00:37:39.460 --> 00:37:42.719 Sure, yeah. He was directing a lot of the weird 00:37:42.719 --> 00:37:45.119 adult comedy movies for Disney that we were talking 00:37:45.119 --> 00:37:47.260 about earlier. The Million Dollar Duck, The Strongest 00:37:47.260 --> 00:37:50.019 Man in the World, Gus, about a football -playing 00:37:50.019 --> 00:37:51.940 mule. If you want to go back and watch that movie, 00:37:52.059 --> 00:37:54.840 it's a real weird one. Herbie Goes to Monte Carlo 00:37:54.840 --> 00:37:57.500 and Herbie Goes Bananas. If you were a fan of 00:37:57.500 --> 00:37:59.760 the Herbie films, you can thank him for directing 00:37:59.760 --> 00:38:04.739 those. I've never had the pleasure. Sorry to 00:38:04.739 --> 00:38:10.039 say. They're wild. They're wild. I love the titles 00:38:10.039 --> 00:38:13.260 of these old Disney movies. I'm a title guy. 00:38:13.760 --> 00:38:16.940 Yeah, they did anything. They did anything. I 00:38:16.940 --> 00:38:18.940 think I have to believe that they just sat in 00:38:18.940 --> 00:38:22.239 a room and created titles for a while. And then 00:38:22.239 --> 00:38:23.679 we're like, all right, we got to make a movie 00:38:23.679 --> 00:38:26.360 based on this title, The Million Dollar Duck. 00:38:26.559 --> 00:38:32.920 Okay, great. Let's do it. One. 100%. It was like 00:38:32.920 --> 00:38:34.860 that refrigerator magnets of just words that 00:38:34.860 --> 00:38:36.679 they would throw at the refrigerator. Like, okay, 00:38:36.760 --> 00:38:39.760 there's the title. Or they brought in their children 00:38:39.760 --> 00:38:44.659 to generate ideas. Sure. The original AI were 00:38:44.659 --> 00:38:47.039 just kids and magnets thrown against the fridge. 00:38:49.300 --> 00:38:51.880 Oh, my gosh. Well, this other director, Vincent 00:38:51.880 --> 00:39:00.280 McAvity. McAvity? Sure. McAvity? He directed 00:39:00.280 --> 00:39:05.360 some of the reshoots. So Disney released this 00:39:05.360 --> 00:39:07.420 movie. They quickly pulled it from theaters because 00:39:07.420 --> 00:39:10.420 it was not doing well. And they spent a year 00:39:10.420 --> 00:39:13.380 doing some reshoots and editing. And McAveety 00:39:13.380 --> 00:39:16.059 was the director for that. I read that under 00:39:16.059 --> 00:39:20.960 union guidelines, McAveety didn't get credit 00:39:20.960 --> 00:39:25.900 because apparently for the director's guild, 00:39:26.079 --> 00:39:29.949 you have to... meet so many hours of directing 00:39:29.949 --> 00:39:33.610 the movie to get the credit so yeah him just 00:39:33.610 --> 00:39:38.449 being brought on for reshoots just didn't didn't 00:39:38.449 --> 00:39:42.130 warrant a credit didn't make the cut as you as 00:39:42.130 --> 00:39:44.670 you might say i think that rule has changed since 00:39:44.670 --> 00:39:47.190 then but that was definitely in effect back then 00:39:47.190 --> 00:39:50.989 yeah yeah a lot of movies have like tons of writers 00:39:50.989 --> 00:39:53.090 too this movie did too they brought in a bunch 00:39:53.090 --> 00:39:56.309 of writers oh boy to concoct a bunch of alternate 00:39:56.309 --> 00:39:58.610 endings obviously none of them are credited either 00:39:58.610 --> 00:40:01.030 yeah some of them will never even know their 00:40:01.030 --> 00:40:04.929 names i'm sure because i apparently like upwards 00:40:04.929 --> 00:40:07.949 of 20 different writers at one point we're working 00:40:07.949 --> 00:40:11.510 on this movie yeah well do you want to talk about 00:40:11.510 --> 00:40:15.690 the writers who are credited sure not a ton to 00:40:15.690 --> 00:40:19.130 talk about with them brian clemens harry spaulding 00:40:19.130 --> 00:40:22.510 and rosemary ann sisson were the the main writers 00:40:22.510 --> 00:40:25.440 that that i guess got billing, at least, for 00:40:25.440 --> 00:40:29.519 this movie. Brian Clemens was more of a TV writer, 00:40:29.679 --> 00:40:33.000 so episodes here and there of many television 00:40:33.000 --> 00:40:36.179 shows in the 60s and 70s and early 80s. Harry 00:40:36.179 --> 00:40:38.820 Spaulding apparently has a lot of low -budget 00:40:38.820 --> 00:40:41.880 horror sci -fi movies to his name. It makes sense 00:40:41.880 --> 00:40:43.460 that they would have brought these folks on, 00:40:43.599 --> 00:40:46.460 but they just didn't have a lot of high -profile 00:40:46.460 --> 00:40:49.840 credits to their name. Rosemary and Sisson did 00:40:49.840 --> 00:40:54.030 have a little bit more Disney Clout under her 00:40:54.030 --> 00:40:56.210 name. She was a renowned British screenwriter. 00:40:56.409 --> 00:40:58.989 And some of her Disney screenplays include Ride 00:40:58.989 --> 00:41:02.130 a Wild Pony, Escape from the Dark Candleshoe, 00:41:02.250 --> 00:41:06.230 and The Black Cauldron in 1985, which was Disney's 00:41:06.230 --> 00:41:10.690 take on a horror movie for the animated audiences 00:41:10.690 --> 00:41:14.030 out there. Music is composed by Stanley Myers. 00:41:14.250 --> 00:41:17.489 We have cinematography by Alan Hume. Lots of 00:41:17.489 --> 00:41:19.750 big time credits. Gulliver's Travels, Return 00:41:19.750 --> 00:41:24.199 of the Jedi, Octopussy. A view to kill, runaway 00:41:24.199 --> 00:41:26.519 train, and a fish called Wanda. That's right. 00:41:26.639 --> 00:41:30.780 I have to say, I would say the saving... It sounds 00:41:30.780 --> 00:41:32.280 like I hate this movie. I don't hate this movie. 00:41:32.400 --> 00:41:35.980 But I think the best thing about this movie, 00:41:36.059 --> 00:41:38.119 though, was the cinematography behind the movie. 00:41:38.219 --> 00:41:41.019 A lot of the shots were really cool. And I really 00:41:41.019 --> 00:41:42.960 appreciated that. It definitely held the movie 00:41:42.960 --> 00:41:45.659 together for me. The work that this man was doing 00:41:45.659 --> 00:41:48.139 on cinematography for The Watcher in the Woods. 00:41:48.699 --> 00:41:53.860 I agree. There's an ethereal... sense of from 00:41:53.860 --> 00:41:56.599 the movie which i think works with its mystery 00:41:56.599 --> 00:42:01.900 and supernaturalness yeah yeah and you read the 00:42:01.900 --> 00:42:04.559 book right i did get the book which is also much 00:42:04.559 --> 00:42:07.539 like the movie out of print and so i went on 00:42:07.539 --> 00:42:11.659 ebay and bought an old copy of the book how is 00:42:11.659 --> 00:42:13.719 it should i read you know what i have to say 00:42:13.719 --> 00:42:17.599 it's it's it's it's not a groundbreaking amazing 00:42:17.599 --> 00:42:20.320 book that everyone must read it is a lot better 00:42:20.320 --> 00:42:22.579 than the plot of this movie though it is very 00:42:22.579 --> 00:42:27.079 different than the movie like even in so much 00:42:27.079 --> 00:42:29.579 that it's not even so the movie is set in in 00:42:29.579 --> 00:42:32.000 england for some reason because the book is not 00:42:32.000 --> 00:42:34.840 at all set it's set in new hampshire i think 00:42:34.840 --> 00:42:39.860 oh okay movies i don't yeah i don't know why 00:42:39.860 --> 00:42:43.889 they moved it to to Europe for the movie, but 00:42:43.889 --> 00:42:46.650 they sure did. Who can say why? But yeah, the 00:42:46.650 --> 00:42:48.849 book is definitely different than the plot of 00:42:48.849 --> 00:42:53.690 the movie, even in so much as the old woman, 00:42:53.750 --> 00:42:55.590 Mrs. Elwood, played by Betty Davis in the movie, 00:42:55.670 --> 00:42:59.070 is barely in the book. Not a huge character in 00:42:59.070 --> 00:43:01.750 the book. Definitely has a huge plot point in 00:43:01.750 --> 00:43:04.730 the book, but is very rarely even mentioned in 00:43:04.730 --> 00:43:08.409 the book. So it's definitely different. And I 00:43:08.409 --> 00:43:11.239 would say there's a lot more. a bigger sci -fi 00:43:11.239 --> 00:43:15.039 turn in the book than the, than the movie sort 00:43:15.039 --> 00:43:18.059 of holds on to. So I don't know why they changed 00:43:18.059 --> 00:43:20.420 it so much for the movie, because I think if 00:43:20.420 --> 00:43:24.440 they had filmed it the way the plot unfolds in 00:43:24.440 --> 00:43:26.239 the book, they would have had a much more successful 00:43:26.239 --> 00:43:29.639 movie on their hands. So I, I would like to have 00:43:29.639 --> 00:43:32.000 been in the room to figure out why they changed 00:43:32.000 --> 00:43:35.380 it so dramatically from the book. Who knows? 00:43:35.639 --> 00:43:41.409 Yeah. Yeah. There's a, huge kind of a twisty 00:43:41.409 --> 00:43:46.190 turn at the end that's very sci -fi heavy so 00:43:46.190 --> 00:43:49.510 like we have this ghost story through ostensibly 00:43:49.510 --> 00:43:51.789 for the whole movie and then right at the end 00:43:51.789 --> 00:43:53.869 i mean we are going to talk about spoilers listeners 00:43:53.869 --> 00:43:58.610 but suddenly you get full -on science fiction 00:43:58.610 --> 00:44:02.690 with creatures and other dimensions and portals 00:44:03.440 --> 00:44:06.199 And it was kind of a mind -blowing experience 00:44:06.199 --> 00:44:07.940 to watch this movie. Yeah, it was very out of 00:44:07.940 --> 00:44:11.199 left field. It did not build up to that at the 00:44:11.199 --> 00:44:13.599 end. You were not expecting that. Whereas the 00:44:13.599 --> 00:44:16.400 book definitely has a better burn, a slow burn 00:44:16.400 --> 00:44:18.920 into easing you into what's about to happen at 00:44:18.920 --> 00:44:20.739 the end. With this one, it was just like, what 00:44:20.739 --> 00:44:23.500 movie is this? This is a different movie than 00:44:23.500 --> 00:44:27.840 we've been watching for the past hour. And again, 00:44:27.940 --> 00:44:32.449 I did not hate this movie. I love the ending 00:44:32.449 --> 00:44:35.389 so much. I wanted, I thought, and specifically 00:44:35.389 --> 00:44:39.030 the alternate endings, which ironically is not 00:44:39.030 --> 00:44:42.789 the theatrical version. It's not the version 00:44:42.789 --> 00:44:46.750 you saw on TV many moons ago. So it's like, I, 00:44:46.849 --> 00:44:49.369 what I love about this movie isn't actually technically 00:44:49.369 --> 00:44:54.909 the movie, which is so ironic. I'm with you a 00:44:54.909 --> 00:45:05.199 hundred percent. Do you want to go through the 00:45:05.199 --> 00:45:10.300 synopsis? Sure. So we have this American family, 00:45:10.440 --> 00:45:12.179 these two parents, Helen and Paul Curtis, and 00:45:12.179 --> 00:45:14.760 then their two daughters, Jan and Ellie. They're 00:45:14.760 --> 00:45:18.119 moving into a manor in rural England. Mrs. Aylwood 00:45:18.119 --> 00:45:20.179 is the owner of this residence who now lives 00:45:20.179 --> 00:45:22.079 sort of in this guest house right next door to 00:45:22.079 --> 00:45:25.440 it. She notices that Jan, after they have purchased 00:45:25.440 --> 00:45:27.809 this house, Jan is... bears a striking resemblance 00:45:27.809 --> 00:45:30.269 to her daughter, Karen, who has disappeared inside 00:45:30.269 --> 00:45:33.730 an abandoned chapel in the woods 30 years earlier. 00:45:34.170 --> 00:45:36.389 That is not a plot point in the book at all. 00:45:36.429 --> 00:45:39.710 Karen actually is missing, has been missing for 00:45:39.710 --> 00:45:42.869 a long time, but there's no, none of this chapel 00:45:42.869 --> 00:45:45.909 storm seance stuff makes it into the book at 00:45:45.909 --> 00:45:47.849 all. So they made all of that up for the book, 00:45:47.949 --> 00:45:51.510 interestingly enough. Yeah. That's crazy. Okay. 00:45:51.550 --> 00:45:54.679 So, oh, go ahead. Oh, sorry. Well, Jan senses 00:45:54.679 --> 00:45:57.400 something unusual about the property almost immediately 00:45:57.400 --> 00:45:59.920 and begins to see strange blue lights in the 00:45:59.920 --> 00:46:02.460 woods, as well as triangles and glowing objects. 00:46:03.019 --> 00:46:06.500 On one occasion, she sees the apparition of a 00:46:06.500 --> 00:46:09.199 blindfolded girl in a mirror in front of her. 00:46:09.579 --> 00:46:11.940 I thought that was an effectively scary moment. 00:46:12.119 --> 00:46:14.940 Yeah, the moments that they did pull out, horror 00:46:14.940 --> 00:46:17.159 -wise, I thought they did a good job of, I have 00:46:17.159 --> 00:46:20.900 to say. There's something creepy about mirrors? 00:46:21.550 --> 00:46:24.369 when one shows up in a horror movie, and there's 00:46:24.369 --> 00:46:27.889 something creepy about blindfolded girls in mirrors. 00:46:28.369 --> 00:46:31.949 Yeah. Oh, I mean, yeah, 100%. And also, wasn't 00:46:31.949 --> 00:46:33.090 there a moment where she looked in the mirror 00:46:33.090 --> 00:46:34.909 and didn't see her own reflection, which was 00:46:34.909 --> 00:46:40.610 kind of creepy as well? Yeah. Vampire? We didn't 00:46:40.610 --> 00:46:43.530 know what was going on. I still don't, I think. 00:46:45.869 --> 00:46:49.389 Still don't. Good point. Shortly after the family 00:46:49.389 --> 00:46:52.519 settles in, Ellie, the younger sister, goes to 00:46:52.519 --> 00:46:56.179 buy a puppy. This was also out of left field. 00:46:56.300 --> 00:47:01.019 She names the dog Nerak. Nerak. Nerak. She says 00:47:01.019 --> 00:47:05.679 it, yeah. Nerak. Nerak. N -E -R -A -K. And you're 00:47:05.679 --> 00:47:08.780 like, what the hell is Nerak? Well, we're going 00:47:08.780 --> 00:47:14.980 to tell you. Because then Jan sees the name Nerak. 00:47:15.810 --> 00:47:19.309 reflected cool because ellie wrote the name narak 00:47:19.309 --> 00:47:21.590 maybe to say like how do you spell this she wrote 00:47:21.590 --> 00:47:24.869 it out and then jan sees the reflection of the 00:47:24.869 --> 00:47:31.050 name and it's karen spelled backwards so then 00:47:31.050 --> 00:47:34.010 jan is told about the mystery of mrs alewood's 00:47:34.010 --> 00:47:38.389 missing daughter by mike the teenage son of a 00:47:38.389 --> 00:47:43.210 local woman named mary mike fleming is the the 00:47:43.210 --> 00:47:48.340 archetypal handsome but dumb farm boy who who 00:47:48.340 --> 00:47:51.820 fills in a lot of expo for us he fit as he fills 00:47:51.820 --> 00:47:58.000 jan in on the local goings -ons so so so yeah 00:47:58.000 --> 00:48:05.599 narek so clever Okay, so we have this dog, Narak, 00:48:05.619 --> 00:48:08.300 Karen spelled backwards. We cut to a scene where 00:48:08.300 --> 00:48:11.679 the dog, the puppy, runs into the woods and Ellie 00:48:11.679 --> 00:48:15.599 chases after him. Jan realizes that her sister 00:48:15.599 --> 00:48:17.420 disappeared from the yard. She goes looking for 00:48:17.420 --> 00:48:20.239 her into the woods and eventually locating her 00:48:20.239 --> 00:48:22.840 at this pond, which is also... In the woods. 00:48:23.059 --> 00:48:25.679 In the water, she sees a blue circle of light 00:48:25.679 --> 00:48:28.400 and is blinded by a flash, causing her to fall 00:48:28.400 --> 00:48:30.880 into the water where she nearly drowns. But then 00:48:30.880 --> 00:48:34.500 we get Mrs. Aylwood saving her life. It looks 00:48:34.500 --> 00:48:37.079 like we have this sort of suspenseful scene, 00:48:37.179 --> 00:48:39.480 right, where she takes this walking stick and 00:48:39.480 --> 00:48:41.780 it looks like maybe she's pushing her into the 00:48:41.780 --> 00:48:44.610 water and trying to drown her. From the audience's 00:48:44.610 --> 00:48:47.269 point of view, but then you realize that she's 00:48:47.269 --> 00:48:48.969 actually trying to get her to hold on to this 00:48:48.969 --> 00:48:52.030 dick and pull her out of it. So she gets her 00:48:52.030 --> 00:48:54.070 out of the water, brings her and Ellie to her 00:48:54.070 --> 00:48:58.090 home, and she sort of fully goes into what her 00:48:58.090 --> 00:49:01.110 recollection is the night that her daughter has 00:49:01.110 --> 00:49:04.329 disappeared fully, seemingly, from Earth. They 00:49:04.329 --> 00:49:10.869 have no idea where she is. Right. Later, Mike. 00:49:11.550 --> 00:49:14.769 discovers that his mother, Mary, was with Karen 00:49:14.769 --> 00:49:19.050 when she disappeared. Karen is the name of Mrs. 00:49:19.210 --> 00:49:23.550 Alewood's lost daughter. So Karen, Narek, it's 00:49:23.550 --> 00:49:27.110 all coming together. So Mike discovers that his 00:49:27.110 --> 00:49:30.650 mom was with Karen when Karen disappeared. But 00:49:30.650 --> 00:49:33.769 his mom is evading Mike's questions. It's very 00:49:33.769 --> 00:49:37.590 like, okay, the elder townspeople. Have this 00:49:37.590 --> 00:49:40.050 shared secret. Actually, you know, it reminds 00:49:40.050 --> 00:49:42.250 me of A Nightmare on Elm Street when all the 00:49:42.250 --> 00:49:44.750 adults on the block, they have this terrible 00:49:44.750 --> 00:49:45.849 secret. Yeah, there's a cover -up happening. 00:49:45.889 --> 00:49:49.389 And the kids are like, yeah, what happened? And 00:49:49.389 --> 00:49:53.530 nobody wants to talk about it. Yep, yep. Meanwhile, 00:49:53.769 --> 00:49:57.789 Jan attempts to get information from John. These 00:49:57.789 --> 00:50:02.670 names just kind of are so arbitrary. Jan, Mike, 00:50:02.750 --> 00:50:11.400 John, Karen. Well, John Keller is an aristocrat. 00:50:11.760 --> 00:50:16.780 Aristocat, everybody. And he wants to not talk 00:50:16.780 --> 00:50:18.519 to her. Hold on, let me back up. John Keller 00:50:18.519 --> 00:50:22.000 is a reclusive aristocrat who was also there 00:50:22.000 --> 00:50:25.679 that night that Karen disappeared. But he refuses 00:50:25.679 --> 00:50:32.639 to speak to her. Meaning jazz. Okay, so let me 00:50:32.639 --> 00:50:36.369 back up and clarify here. Because we're talking 00:50:36.369 --> 00:50:40.349 about age groups now. So Mrs. Alewood is old. 00:50:40.550 --> 00:50:43.369 This is Betty Davis. This character, she's in 00:50:43.369 --> 00:50:48.349 her 70s. It was like 20 years ago that her daughter 00:50:48.349 --> 00:50:55.329 Karen, with her friends, John and Mary and Tom, 00:50:55.590 --> 00:51:00.789 they had a seance. And something happened with 00:51:00.789 --> 00:51:05.000 a lightning storm. And Karen... disappeared right 00:51:05.000 --> 00:51:09.840 now 20 years later those other people john mary 00:51:09.840 --> 00:51:14.679 tom they are now old they are now older parent 00:51:14.679 --> 00:51:20.599 age basically parent age exactly so yeah i just 00:51:20.599 --> 00:51:22.159 wanted to clear that up yeah there's like there's 00:51:22.159 --> 00:51:24.099 like three generations of people happening here 00:51:24.099 --> 00:51:26.980 there's yeah mrs illwood yeah who was the mother 00:51:26.980 --> 00:51:30.179 of the young girl but then time goes back and 00:51:30.179 --> 00:51:33.599 forth and so yeah we have now two kids A set 00:51:33.599 --> 00:51:37.440 of parents and a grandmother, basically. Who's 00:51:37.440 --> 00:51:38.940 not a grandmother because her child is gone. 00:51:40.679 --> 00:51:48.019 Right. Okay. So in a nutshell, Jan and Mike are 00:51:48.019 --> 00:51:50.820 trying to get info from the parents, from the 00:51:50.820 --> 00:51:52.900 adults, and they're not giving them anything. 00:51:53.099 --> 00:51:55.780 So Jan is just like talking to whoever she can 00:51:55.780 --> 00:51:58.659 to try to figure out the mystery. She encounters 00:51:58.659 --> 00:52:01.860 a local hermit. This is Tom. And he's like, I 00:52:01.860 --> 00:52:04.699 was also there, but I also won't tell you anything. 00:52:05.539 --> 00:52:08.960 Except he does reveal that there was a seance 00:52:08.960 --> 00:52:14.579 -like ceremony during a lunar eclipse. And that's 00:52:14.579 --> 00:52:17.039 when Karen vanished. So now we have an eclipse 00:52:17.039 --> 00:52:22.039 plotline that comes into play. Yeah, I'll leave 00:52:22.039 --> 00:52:24.500 it there for now. And some sort of like an electrical 00:52:24.500 --> 00:52:26.579 storm, like a lightning storm suddenly happens 00:52:26.579 --> 00:52:29.760 as well, which kind of plays. part into it a 00:52:29.760 --> 00:52:31.619 little bit here and there and we've got yeah 00:52:31.619 --> 00:52:34.099 all these different tellings of what happened 00:52:34.099 --> 00:52:36.599 that night and we're not sure which one is accurate 00:52:36.599 --> 00:52:39.039 or not or if any of them are accurate or if something 00:52:39.039 --> 00:52:41.039 more nefarious is happening it's very unclear 00:52:41.039 --> 00:52:48.409 purposefully i hope okay so So Jan latches onto 00:52:48.409 --> 00:52:50.869 the story of the seance, because that, to her, 00:52:50.949 --> 00:52:52.769 seems the most likely scenario, is that, yeah, 00:52:52.829 --> 00:52:54.769 clearly witchcraft was involved in this, and 00:52:54.769 --> 00:52:57.809 so let's recreate it. So she decides to recreate 00:52:57.809 --> 00:53:00.909 this ceremony during an upcoming solar eclipse 00:53:00.909 --> 00:53:03.809 that is a day or so away, hoping that it's going 00:53:03.809 --> 00:53:06.449 to be the mystery that will maybe bring Karen 00:53:06.449 --> 00:53:09.170 back. She's decided that Karen is still out there 00:53:09.170 --> 00:53:11.329 somewhere, and that maybe we just need to bring 00:53:11.329 --> 00:53:13.860 her back. She's stuck somewhere, perhaps. So 00:53:13.860 --> 00:53:16.760 she gathers these three adults, Mary, Tom, and 00:53:16.760 --> 00:53:19.280 John, at the abandoned chapel, and they attempt 00:53:19.280 --> 00:53:22.099 to repeat this same ceremony that happened many 00:53:22.099 --> 00:53:25.760 years ago. Meanwhile, Ellie, Jan's younger sister, 00:53:25.940 --> 00:53:27.820 while watching the eclipse from the front yard, 00:53:28.099 --> 00:53:30.900 suddenly goes into this weird trance -like state. 00:53:31.019 --> 00:53:34.059 Apparently she's possessed, basically, and she 00:53:34.059 --> 00:53:38.300 enters into the woods, basically hypnotized, 00:53:38.300 --> 00:53:40.280 kind of being forced to walk into the woods. 00:53:40.889 --> 00:53:42.769 At the chapel, the ceremony is interrupted by 00:53:42.769 --> 00:53:45.210 a powerful wind that shatters the windows and 00:53:45.210 --> 00:53:48.110 Ellie disappears. In a voice that is not her 00:53:48.110 --> 00:53:50.869 own, she explains that an accidental switch took 00:53:50.869 --> 00:53:54.630 place 30 years ago in which Karen traded places 00:53:54.630 --> 00:53:58.670 with an alien presence from an alternate dimension. 00:53:59.309 --> 00:54:01.869 Thus, the Watcher has been haunting the woods 00:54:01.869 --> 00:54:05.650 since that day, while Karen has remained suspended 00:54:05.650 --> 00:54:12.989 in time. Yeah. I feel like you and I both went, 00:54:13.090 --> 00:54:19.230 wait, what? Yep, yep, yep, yep. And here's how 00:54:19.230 --> 00:54:22.449 it ends. This is the theatrical version. The 00:54:22.449 --> 00:54:24.730 ultimate theatrical version because we'll get 00:54:24.730 --> 00:54:27.670 into it later. But the Watcher leaves Ellie's 00:54:27.670 --> 00:54:31.730 body and manifests as a pillar of light fueled 00:54:31.730 --> 00:54:34.289 by the circle of friendship because everyone 00:54:34.289 --> 00:54:37.630 is circled around with their hands together chanting. 00:54:38.650 --> 00:54:41.469 The light engulfs Jan and lifts her into the 00:54:41.469 --> 00:54:43.889 air. And like, it's going to happen. We're going 00:54:43.889 --> 00:54:48.190 to have success. But then good old boy Mike shows 00:54:48.190 --> 00:54:51.909 up and pulls her away. He like throws everything 00:54:51.909 --> 00:54:59.329 off. But in good family movie fashion, it's manufactured 00:54:59.329 --> 00:55:02.250 suspense because ultimately everything does happen 00:55:02.250 --> 00:55:06.739 well for folks. Things turn out well. The eclipse 00:55:06.739 --> 00:55:10.239 ends. Karen is the same age as she disappeared. 00:55:10.460 --> 00:55:15.920 She now reappears. Still blindfolded. She takes 00:55:15.920 --> 00:55:20.719 off her blindfold and she meets her mom again 00:55:20.719 --> 00:55:24.400 after 30 years. It's very sweet. And then credits 00:55:24.400 --> 00:55:27.679 roll. Yeah, it just sort of ends very softly 00:55:27.679 --> 00:55:32.659 like that. Everyone's just like, okay, I guess 00:55:32.659 --> 00:55:34.719 that happened. We're cool with it. Moving on. 00:55:35.769 --> 00:55:40.670 Yep, yep. So listeners, Patrick and I watched 00:55:40.670 --> 00:55:43.210 this together, and we had the same kind of muted 00:55:43.210 --> 00:55:47.309 response. We were like, okay, sure, okay. And 00:55:47.309 --> 00:55:51.489 I'm going through the bonus features on the Blu 00:55:51.489 --> 00:55:54.130 -ray, and I see that there are some deleted scenes. 00:55:54.409 --> 00:55:57.809 I'm like, hey, let's watch some deleted scenes 00:55:57.809 --> 00:56:01.309 so we can be good podcasters and do this thing. 00:56:03.880 --> 00:56:07.880 I expected nothing. Just like some B -roll, right? 00:56:07.980 --> 00:56:12.500 Like, nothing impressive. We were treated to 00:56:12.500 --> 00:56:16.179 the alternate endings of this movie. And that 00:56:16.179 --> 00:56:19.599 beam of light that you get when you watch it, 00:56:19.679 --> 00:56:23.519 that beam of light is replaced with a full -on 00:56:23.519 --> 00:56:29.340 puppet animatronic monster. It's an alien that 00:56:29.340 --> 00:56:32.619 shows up from another dimension, and it has mandibles. 00:56:33.150 --> 00:56:35.570 and it's drooling, and it's very frightening. 00:56:36.110 --> 00:56:40.690 And that is what happens. I mean, everything 00:56:40.690 --> 00:56:43.429 else kind of falls into line, but instead of 00:56:43.429 --> 00:56:47.969 a pretty harmless, boring old light, we get an 00:56:47.969 --> 00:56:51.110 actual creature brought to life on the screen. 00:56:51.710 --> 00:56:56.789 I wish that they had kept it, but I also understand, 00:56:56.869 --> 00:56:59.269 though, they just hadn't been building up to 00:56:59.269 --> 00:57:01.809 that. kind of an ending for this movie. So it 00:57:01.809 --> 00:57:04.449 didn't make any, it made even less sense than 00:57:04.449 --> 00:57:08.889 the movie that they ended up going with. So yeah, 00:57:09.030 --> 00:57:12.570 it was well, but I will say it was impressive, 00:57:12.610 --> 00:57:16.110 the creature that they created. So I looked it 00:57:16.110 --> 00:57:18.909 up and I was like, did ILM do that? Who did this? 00:57:19.050 --> 00:57:21.539 And they just sort of. shoestringed together 00:57:21.539 --> 00:57:25.039 like some somebody in their art department sort 00:57:25.039 --> 00:57:27.059 of built this character it sort of looks like 00:57:27.059 --> 00:57:30.099 early renderings of alien from alien and sort 00:57:30.099 --> 00:57:32.639 of like what do they call the skeksis from the 00:57:32.639 --> 00:57:34.300 dark crystal if you remember those characters 00:57:34.300 --> 00:57:36.420 it kind of looked like a amalgamation of those 00:57:36.420 --> 00:57:39.019 two it was pretty impressive and it was interesting 00:57:39.019 --> 00:57:43.260 that the alien though looking terrifying right 00:57:43.260 --> 00:57:46.239 it spoke to them and told them the alien told 00:57:46.239 --> 00:57:48.940 them the story of what happened of like Karen 00:57:48.940 --> 00:57:50.980 got trapped. We didn't mean to take her, but 00:57:50.980 --> 00:57:53.280 she's stuck, and I'm stuck here, and we need 00:57:53.280 --> 00:57:55.380 to switch places so all can be right with the 00:57:55.380 --> 00:57:57.320 world. And it sort of gave a little bit more 00:57:57.320 --> 00:58:00.099 resolve, I think, to the end of the story, which 00:58:00.099 --> 00:58:03.300 I didn't quite get from the ending that they 00:58:03.300 --> 00:58:06.059 went with, ultimately. So I don't know who made 00:58:06.059 --> 00:58:08.639 that decision, but it was not me. It wouldn't 00:58:08.639 --> 00:58:13.659 have been me. It was not you. You were not alive 00:58:13.659 --> 00:58:17.289 at that time. okay what did you think of it did 00:58:17.289 --> 00:58:20.130 it yeah what was your preference the original 00:58:20.130 --> 00:58:22.750 ending or the ending the or the ending they went 00:58:22.750 --> 00:58:26.110 with or this ending with the alien in it oh with 00:58:26.110 --> 00:58:29.710 the alien and it's because like yeah it may not 00:58:29.710 --> 00:58:32.969 make sense like you say i agree like this movie's 00:58:32.969 --> 00:58:36.190 not building up to a full -blown creature effect 00:58:36.190 --> 00:58:39.369 but you know what it's memorable it's gonna get 00:58:39.369 --> 00:58:42.510 me talking more about it yeah it's gonna yeah 00:58:42.510 --> 00:58:45.519 like it's exciting I don't care if it doesn't 00:58:45.519 --> 00:58:50.780 make sense because the rest of the movie is solid, 00:58:50.980 --> 00:58:55.440 but it's not leaving a lasting impression the 00:58:55.440 --> 00:58:57.780 way this ending would. And it's more in line 00:58:57.780 --> 00:59:01.400 with the book. So the book does deal with another 00:59:01.400 --> 00:59:05.099 world, another planet, an alien sort of body 00:59:05.099 --> 00:59:07.760 snatching kind of a thing, accidental trading 00:59:07.760 --> 00:59:11.980 of an alien for a human. And so it makes a lot 00:59:11.980 --> 00:59:16.460 more sense to the book. to follow the book up 00:59:16.460 --> 00:59:19.619 until now, it didn't make sense then in the movie. 00:59:19.940 --> 00:59:22.440 It was like, wait, what? This never was a plot 00:59:22.440 --> 00:59:25.119 line in the movie, but it was the only plot line 00:59:25.119 --> 00:59:28.179 in the book. So I don't know why they changed 00:59:28.179 --> 00:59:31.760 so much. It didn't hold up, I don't think, as 00:59:31.760 --> 00:59:34.780 much as it could have. Yeah. Then there was a 00:59:34.780 --> 00:59:38.699 third alternate ending, which was kind of a blend 00:59:38.699 --> 00:59:42.539 of both. So you still got the alien, but now... 00:59:43.119 --> 00:59:47.019 there's a whole sequence where the movie takes 00:59:47.019 --> 00:59:50.559 us to the alien world. And it's like a trippy 00:59:50.559 --> 00:59:54.760 astral plane, just like in time and space. And 00:59:54.760 --> 00:59:59.820 we see Karen in the void on this alien's home 00:59:59.820 --> 01:00:04.000 world. Well, I thought that was, that I was like, 01:00:04.099 --> 01:00:07.179 this is really out there. Like, I love it so 01:00:07.179 --> 01:00:10.500 much. It is cool. But this is where me as a director 01:00:10.500 --> 01:00:14.489 or a producer would go. Eh, we can cut that much. 01:00:15.489 --> 01:00:18.190 And I think part of the reason why that didn't 01:00:18.190 --> 01:00:21.530 make it either is that they just didn't finish 01:00:21.530 --> 01:00:23.409 it in time. I think that was the ending that 01:00:23.409 --> 01:00:26.110 they were trying to go for, but because they 01:00:26.110 --> 01:00:29.690 were pushing this movie to come out in such a 01:00:29.690 --> 01:00:31.750 weird timeline, for some reason they wanted it 01:00:31.750 --> 01:00:33.869 to come out at a specific time, they didn't finish 01:00:33.869 --> 01:00:36.829 editing it and creating that in time, and so 01:00:36.829 --> 01:00:39.929 they ditched it and went with the different ending. 01:00:40.869 --> 01:00:43.789 Very strange. Wow. Very, very strange. Yeah. 01:00:44.389 --> 01:00:47.309 Oh, yeah. Honestly, if you're going to watch 01:00:47.309 --> 01:00:50.110 this movie, everybody, make sure you also give 01:00:50.110 --> 01:00:51.829 time to the alternate. Yeah. If you have it available 01:00:51.829 --> 01:00:54.150 somewhere, if you can find a copy of it somewhere 01:00:54.150 --> 01:00:56.429 that has the alternate endings, definitely give 01:00:56.429 --> 01:00:59.550 those a watch. It is fascinating to see the journey 01:00:59.550 --> 01:01:05.590 that this movie went on. Yeah. Yeah. So, so thank 01:01:05.590 --> 01:01:08.489 you for bearing with our synopsis. We did our 01:01:08.489 --> 01:01:13.679 best. We did our best. We blindfolded doing our 01:01:13.679 --> 01:01:17.280 best there. Just some quick background, some 01:01:17.280 --> 01:01:19.840 things we hadn't mentioned before. Is there anything 01:01:19.840 --> 01:01:23.199 in here that we haven't mentioned? Okay, so the 01:01:23.199 --> 01:01:25.280 movie is ultimately premiered in New York City 01:01:25.280 --> 01:01:30.440 in April of 1980. It ran for one dismal week. 01:01:30.800 --> 01:01:33.380 Nobody was buying tickets to see this movie. 01:01:33.659 --> 01:01:37.159 Disney decided it'd be better to pull it and 01:01:37.159 --> 01:01:41.409 just order rewrites and edits. So, after April 01:01:41.409 --> 01:01:44.889 1980, this movie disappears until October 81. 01:01:45.610 --> 01:01:48.309 And that's when it gets its wide release. So, 01:01:48.349 --> 01:01:51.769 yes, it's technically a 1980 movie. But this 01:01:51.769 --> 01:01:55.309 movie is, for all intents and purposes, even 01:01:55.309 --> 01:01:59.449 later than that, 1981. Yeah. Well, I think part 01:01:59.449 --> 01:02:02.530 of it, there was an actor strike that was happening. 01:02:02.670 --> 01:02:06.289 And so that delayed the reshoots a ton. And so 01:02:06.289 --> 01:02:10.760 this movie just had... too much going on for 01:02:10.760 --> 01:02:14.099 it to have ever made successful sense because 01:02:14.099 --> 01:02:17.420 there were so many writers so many changes happening 01:02:17.420 --> 01:02:20.340 they pulled it they put it back the strike happened 01:02:20.340 --> 01:02:24.760 yeah it would they just did not it suffered from 01:02:24.760 --> 01:02:28.619 really just bad timing and i think too many cooks 01:02:28.619 --> 01:02:32.920 in the kitchen i feel like yeah yeah i find it 01:02:32.920 --> 01:02:35.780 so interesting when a movie when a movie's release 01:02:35.780 --> 01:02:39.719 is pushed back so far after it was finished shooting 01:02:39.719 --> 01:02:43.079 like this movie filmed in 1979 and now it's not 01:02:43.079 --> 01:02:47.420 being released until the end of 1981 it's almost 01:02:47.420 --> 01:02:51.900 like you know do do sensibilities change in audiences 01:02:51.900 --> 01:02:55.019 does fashion change like what people are interested 01:02:55.019 --> 01:02:59.900 in 1979 by almost 1982 it's like and interesting 01:02:59.900 --> 01:03:02.119 by this time friday the 13th would have been 01:03:02.119 --> 01:03:04.599 released then at the you know like that a full 01:03:04.599 --> 01:03:08.289 enormous horror movie was released in between 01:03:08.289 --> 01:03:09.929 when it was supposed to be released. And when 01:03:09.929 --> 01:03:12.110 this one was, yeah, it's just, a lot did change. 01:03:12.449 --> 01:03:15.050 I think the second one had been really, was released. 01:03:15.070 --> 01:03:17.949 Didn't we? Yeah. And the Halloween movies too. 01:03:18.070 --> 01:03:23.030 Halloween two was so, so, oh my God, I may have 01:03:23.030 --> 01:03:26.929 suffered because like, yeah, Friday night, it's 01:03:26.929 --> 01:03:30.530 Friday night. You're in high school. You're going 01:03:30.530 --> 01:03:33.989 to the movies with your buddies. Obviously you 01:03:33.989 --> 01:03:37.880 want to go see a horror movie. You have Jason 01:03:37.880 --> 01:03:41.619 to pick from, Michael Myers. Oh, what about this 01:03:41.619 --> 01:03:45.760 Disney movie? Oh, is there a slasher in it? Right. 01:03:45.920 --> 01:03:52.099 No. It's got David Davis. Yeah, because it's 01:03:52.099 --> 01:03:54.440 Halloween time when they did finally release 01:03:54.440 --> 01:03:57.760 it. Yeah, during the time frame that these huge 01:03:57.760 --> 01:04:00.920 horror movies were coming out, this was no longer 01:04:00.920 --> 01:04:07.619 a horror movie. And so, yeah. No. No self -respecting, 01:04:07.619 --> 01:04:10.400 horror -loving teenager is going to choose this 01:04:10.400 --> 01:04:14.860 over an actual scary movie. And that reflected 01:04:14.860 --> 01:04:19.059 then in the box office because it made only $5 01:04:19.059 --> 01:04:23.219 million, like total, from soup to nuts. It made 01:04:23.219 --> 01:04:27.579 $5 million, but it was made for roughly $9 million. 01:04:27.900 --> 01:04:30.920 So it lost millions and millions of dollars. 01:04:31.760 --> 01:04:35.199 yeah oh my gosh this movie was cursed from day 01:04:35.199 --> 01:04:40.239 one it seems like disney i appreciate the effort 01:04:40.239 --> 01:04:43.800 but clearly it's not your wheelhouse but i mean 01:04:43.800 --> 01:04:47.820 somehow it did then turn into a cult classic 01:04:47.820 --> 01:04:50.179 it is it is listed as a cult classic which i 01:04:50.179 --> 01:04:52.500 mean there's no like one person who gets to decide 01:04:52.500 --> 01:04:55.940 that but i think it you know by whatever yeah 01:04:55.940 --> 01:05:00.480 whatever the the beings that make it so, it is 01:05:00.480 --> 01:05:02.780 definitely revered as a cult classic, even though 01:05:02.780 --> 01:05:04.079 you can't really find it anywhere, anywhere. 01:05:05.619 --> 01:05:26.619 I have my three questions with... Three, it's 01:05:26.619 --> 01:05:30.780 multiple choice. I have them pulled up on a separate 01:05:30.780 --> 01:05:33.400 document, so you cannot see them. But I'm going 01:05:33.400 --> 01:05:35.840 to read them to you. Okay. And you're going to 01:05:35.840 --> 01:05:39.760 do the same to me. And we're going to see who 01:05:39.760 --> 01:05:43.940 comes out on top. No one does with this movie. 01:05:44.000 --> 01:05:46.340 I'm just kidding. No, here we go. Okay, go for 01:05:46.340 --> 01:05:48.840 it. Are you ready? Okay, your first question, 01:05:48.840 --> 01:05:53.969 Vincent. So, in 1981... Which is interesting 01:05:53.969 --> 01:05:57.530 that this movie, this song came out before the 01:05:57.530 --> 01:05:59.829 wide release of The Watcher in the Woods, but 01:05:59.829 --> 01:06:03.929 was not intended to do so. But in 1981, the song 01:06:03.929 --> 01:06:07.590 Betty Davis Eyes hits the charts and it was number 01:06:07.590 --> 01:06:11.889 one for nine weeks in a row. Who performed this 01:06:11.889 --> 01:06:20.030 song, Vincent? Was it Blondie? Was it Kim Carnes? 01:06:20.030 --> 01:06:26.559 Or was it Pat Benatar? Oh, I've heard of this 01:06:26.559 --> 01:06:31.340 song. It's a great song. How does it go? She's 01:06:31.340 --> 01:06:38.139 got Betty Davis eyes. Thank you. Thank you. Thank 01:06:38.139 --> 01:06:42.480 you. You know, she's still alive. Betty Davis 01:06:42.480 --> 01:06:49.800 eyes was performed by a blondie. That is not 01:06:49.800 --> 01:06:53.820 correct. Many people think it was Blondie because 01:06:53.820 --> 01:06:57.039 she sounds a lot like her, but it was Kim Carnes. 01:06:59.000 --> 01:07:01.639 All right. There you go. I think it was maybe 01:07:01.639 --> 01:07:06.860 her only big hit was Betty Davis Eyes. Yeah. 01:07:07.019 --> 01:07:11.300 All right. All right. One point for Patrick. 01:07:11.300 --> 01:07:13.400 Or just zero points for anybody because you didn't 01:07:13.400 --> 01:07:14.920 get it right. Do I get a point for you getting 01:07:14.920 --> 01:07:19.119 it wrong? Okay. No, you're right. I'll take it. 01:07:23.630 --> 01:07:25.829 Yes. All right, Patrick, here's your question. 01:07:27.250 --> 01:07:30.610 Several locations in The Watcher in the Woods 01:07:30.610 --> 01:07:34.829 are the same used as in this other ghost movie. 01:07:36.269 --> 01:07:44.130 Is it The Others from 2001, The Haunting from 01:07:44.130 --> 01:07:51.070 1963, or The Uninvited from 1944? Gosh, I'd have 01:07:51.070 --> 01:07:54.829 to figure out. Are all of these movies... Can 01:07:54.829 --> 01:08:00.289 I ask a follow -up question? I'm trying to figure 01:08:00.289 --> 01:08:05.989 out which one. I feel like... Was the Haunting... 01:08:05.989 --> 01:08:10.349 Was that about Hill House? Was that the same 01:08:10.349 --> 01:08:12.610 storyline as the Haunting of Hill House? Or is 01:08:12.610 --> 01:08:14.309 it a different movie altogether that I'm thinking 01:08:14.309 --> 01:08:17.390 of? Or do you know? I believe it's a different 01:08:17.390 --> 01:08:20.510 movie. Maybe it's not that one. But I don't think 01:08:20.510 --> 01:08:23.140 the others was filmed. there that was nicole 01:08:23.140 --> 01:08:27.159 kidman right the others yeah i thought that was 01:08:27.159 --> 01:08:30.260 filmed here and what was the other one the other 01:08:30.260 --> 01:08:34.439 not that the others the haunting and it's it's 01:08:34.439 --> 01:08:37.880 called the uninvited like that title but i don't 01:08:37.880 --> 01:08:41.859 know the movie i'm gonna i'm gonna i'm gonna 01:08:41.859 --> 01:08:43.680 go with my my gut instinct told me the haunting 01:08:43.680 --> 01:08:45.220 so i'm just gonna stay i'm gonna stay there is 01:08:45.220 --> 01:08:49.250 it the haunting It is the haunting. I have no 01:08:49.250 --> 01:08:51.970 basis for why I think that was it, so I'll take 01:08:51.970 --> 01:08:55.630 the point. But I did not logically sound it out. 01:08:59.250 --> 01:09:01.529 Yeah, well, I mean, it's a pretty cool connection. 01:09:01.689 --> 01:09:04.050 The director of Watcher in the Woods did that 01:09:04.050 --> 01:09:06.170 intentionally. So, like, the old manor house 01:09:06.170 --> 01:09:09.569 is the same one in England they used for the 01:09:09.569 --> 01:09:12.550 haunting, which is by Shirley Jackson, who also 01:09:12.550 --> 01:09:13.869 wrote the haunting of Hill House. Oh, so maybe 01:09:13.869 --> 01:09:16.890 that's why. Okay. That's funny. It's related. 01:09:17.780 --> 01:09:21.000 The Uninvited is one of my favorite movies. It's 01:09:21.000 --> 01:09:25.760 the first ghost story, ghost movie, to take the 01:09:25.760 --> 01:09:29.560 ghosts, to depict real ghosts. Wait, what? Meaning, 01:09:29.619 --> 01:09:33.140 before 1944, if there was a ghost in a movie, 01:09:33.300 --> 01:09:36.060 by the end of that movie, it turned out it was 01:09:36.060 --> 01:09:39.960 all just somebody in a mask. Okay, got it. Interesting. 01:09:40.239 --> 01:09:43.880 Yep, yep. So the Uninvited, like, no, this is 01:09:43.880 --> 01:09:48.600 an actual haunted house. It's very spooky. It's 01:09:48.600 --> 01:09:50.819 a thriller. That's good to know. So it's the 01:09:50.819 --> 01:09:54.319 first movie that supposes that ghosts are real 01:09:54.319 --> 01:09:56.199 is basically what you're saying at the end of 01:09:56.199 --> 01:09:58.479 it. By the end of the movie, ghosts exist in 01:09:58.479 --> 01:10:01.699 this realm. Interesting. Yeah. Or at least get 01:10:01.699 --> 01:10:03.560 credit for it. All right. I'll have to look that 01:10:03.560 --> 01:10:07.100 up. Good to know. Okay. All right. Well, I have 01:10:07.100 --> 01:10:10.380 an accidental point there. All right. All right. 01:10:11.979 --> 01:10:16.819 Which of these movies, Vincent, does not... contain 01:10:16.819 --> 01:10:21.239 an alien character or plot line in Disney history? 01:10:21.899 --> 01:10:24.979 Which of these movies that may sound like they 01:10:24.979 --> 01:10:27.619 do does not actually have an alien plot line 01:10:27.619 --> 01:10:31.380 or a character in the movie? Is it Escape to 01:10:31.380 --> 01:10:35.899 Witch Mountain? Is it Night Crossing? Or is it 01:10:35.899 --> 01:10:41.199 Flight of the Navigator? Hmm. Could I have a 01:10:41.199 --> 01:10:42.560 repeat of that question, please? You sure can. 01:10:42.560 --> 01:10:45.359 The full question, which of these Disney movies 01:10:45.930 --> 01:10:49.989 does not contain an alien character or plotline. 01:10:50.430 --> 01:10:56.390 So no alien, no sci -fi plotline. Escape to Witch 01:10:56.390 --> 01:11:00.210 Mountain, Night Crossing, or Flight of the Navigator. 01:11:01.329 --> 01:11:05.710 Flight of the Navigator, Night Crossing, or the 01:11:05.710 --> 01:11:08.989 Witch Mountain. I haven't seen any of these. 01:11:09.050 --> 01:11:16.199 You should. Dang it. Oh. Let me just go off the 01:11:16.199 --> 01:11:24.640 cuff and say Flight of the Navigator. Because 01:11:24.640 --> 01:11:33.859 maybe it's about a pirate. That flies. Or it's 01:11:33.859 --> 01:11:37.810 like, just tell me, what is it? I'm sorry to 01:11:37.810 --> 01:11:39.390 tell you, it is not Flight of the Navigator. 01:11:40.890 --> 01:11:45.369 Flight of the Navigator is full of aliens. Damn 01:11:45.369 --> 01:11:50.189 it. Chock full of alien beings. Chock full of 01:11:50.189 --> 01:11:54.550 aliens. And it's a wonderful... E .T.'s out to 01:11:54.550 --> 01:12:00.609 buy. Booming with aliens. And it's a wonderful 01:12:00.609 --> 01:12:05.439 movie. The answer is Night Crossing does not 01:12:05.439 --> 01:12:08.260 have an alien plotline. Night Crossing has a 01:12:08.260 --> 01:12:10.899 hot air balloon instead of which people are escaping 01:12:10.899 --> 01:12:13.939 from East Germany to West Germany in a hot air 01:12:13.939 --> 01:12:15.319 balloon. And it's a real story. It's a true story 01:12:15.319 --> 01:12:20.380 as well. Yeah. Wow. So that's what I was thinking. 01:12:20.439 --> 01:12:22.680 We're going to have a Flight of the Navigator. 01:12:23.420 --> 01:12:25.899 To me, it sounds like an animated movie about 01:12:25.899 --> 01:12:28.560 geese flying south to the winter. I don't know. 01:12:29.239 --> 01:12:31.529 I'm sorry about that. You should watch Flight 01:12:31.529 --> 01:12:33.050 of the Navigator, though. It's very cute. It's 01:12:33.050 --> 01:12:36.210 very fun. It's starring, not starring, but a 01:12:36.210 --> 01:12:39.350 young Sarah Jessica Parker is in Flight of the 01:12:39.350 --> 01:12:40.529 Navigator. I think it was her first movie ever. 01:12:41.449 --> 01:12:45.729 Yeah. Wow. There it is. Flight of the Navigator. 01:12:47.529 --> 01:12:51.649 Yeah. A boy mysteriously gains knowledge of the 01:12:51.649 --> 01:12:54.430 farthest reaches of the universe. Hey, points 01:12:54.430 --> 01:12:55.609 for not cheating, though. You could have looked 01:12:55.609 --> 01:12:57.310 it up and I wouldn't have known. So, well done 01:12:57.310 --> 01:13:00.340 to you. I could have. I could have. Maybe I'll 01:13:00.340 --> 01:13:03.859 watch the Computer War 10 issues. Oh, okay. Another 01:13:03.859 --> 01:13:09.479 great title. All right. Okay. All right. One 01:13:09.479 --> 01:13:13.600 nothing. You're leading here. Yeah. So, upon 01:13:13.600 --> 01:13:15.880 its release of The Watcher in the Woods, critic 01:13:15.880 --> 01:13:18.739 Michael Blowen of the Boston Globe was unimpressed. 01:13:18.880 --> 01:13:23.500 And he said, quote, everything in the film, direction, 01:13:23.739 --> 01:13:26.600 acting, writing, music arrangements, and editing 01:13:26.600 --> 01:13:32.210 is as transparent as... Dot, dot, dot. Fill in 01:13:32.210 --> 01:13:36.229 the blank. Is as transparent as which of these 01:13:36.229 --> 01:13:40.670 fictional ghosts? Is it the Headless Horseman, 01:13:40.750 --> 01:13:47.069 the ghost of Hamlet's dad, or Casper the Friendly 01:13:47.069 --> 01:13:55.310 Ghost? Okay. Okay. I'm going to narrow this down 01:13:55.310 --> 01:13:57.649 because I don't believe the Headless Horseman 01:13:57.649 --> 01:14:03.079 is. I think that he was like, I'm trying to be 01:14:03.079 --> 01:14:05.380 logical here. So maybe not so much that one. 01:14:06.300 --> 01:14:08.619 Casper, an interesting reference. I believe that 01:14:08.619 --> 01:14:11.399 character was created in the 50s. So this could 01:14:11.399 --> 01:14:14.600 have been, could have been Casper or the ghost 01:14:14.600 --> 01:14:17.319 of Hamlet's dad. Is that what the other one was? 01:14:17.539 --> 01:14:20.060 You know, the ghost of Hamlet's dad was also 01:14:20.060 --> 01:14:24.979 created long before. Long before. But was more 01:14:24.979 --> 01:14:27.760 of an apparition. I feel like. So I'm going to 01:14:27.760 --> 01:14:34.920 go. I'm going to go with Casper. Casper the friendly 01:14:34.920 --> 01:14:42.159 ghost. You are the friendly podcaster who have 01:14:42.159 --> 01:14:46.920 another point. See what happens when you got 01:14:46.920 --> 01:14:49.279 to use your brain sometimes to narrow it down. 01:14:51.399 --> 01:14:55.590 Well, the headless horseman's head. There it 01:14:55.590 --> 01:14:59.250 is. Yeah. That is true. You can see through that 01:14:59.250 --> 01:15:02.250 pumpkin because it's carved. Okay. Here we go. 01:15:03.829 --> 01:15:07.210 What a quote, too. Oof, that's a rough one. You 01:15:07.210 --> 01:15:08.949 don't come back from that easily. That's a movie. 01:15:10.170 --> 01:15:12.689 Who compares you to Casper the Friendly Ghost? 01:15:13.329 --> 01:15:19.229 Yikes. Okay. Yeah. So, the character Jan, who 01:15:19.229 --> 01:15:24.130 was played by Lynn Holly Johnson, who... was 01:15:24.130 --> 01:15:27.289 nominated for a Golden Globe and won a Razzie 01:15:27.289 --> 01:15:30.310 Award. Quite the spectrum there. Was not the 01:15:30.310 --> 01:15:33.710 original woman cast in this role for The Watcher 01:15:33.710 --> 01:15:37.170 in the Woods. Another up -and -coming young actress 01:15:37.170 --> 01:15:41.590 was originally cast. Who was that actress? Was 01:15:41.590 --> 01:15:46.390 it Holly Hunter? Was it Diane Lane? Or was it 01:15:46.390 --> 01:15:49.899 Jodie Foster? Jodie Foster rears her head again, 01:15:49.979 --> 01:15:51.699 but it is not. It is Diane Lane. Oh, you know 01:15:51.699 --> 01:15:54.079 the answer to this one. Diane Lane is correct. 01:15:54.220 --> 01:15:59.039 Oh, yeah. Okay. Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. 01:15:59.300 --> 01:16:05.100 Good. Good on you. It pays to read. Yes. Yeah. 01:16:05.180 --> 01:16:08.899 Thank you. Thank you. I try to read. You're in 01:16:08.899 --> 01:16:12.260 there. It happens. It happens. What a different 01:16:12.260 --> 01:16:14.560 career she may have had if she had been in Watcher 01:16:14.560 --> 01:16:19.189 in the Woods. What a different movie it's going 01:16:19.189 --> 01:16:20.170 to be. I'm trying to figure out, because when 01:16:20.170 --> 01:16:22.970 did The Outsiders come out? Was that well before 01:16:22.970 --> 01:16:25.409 this movie? Was that in the 70s? Or was that 01:16:25.409 --> 01:16:28.430 later? I think it was the 80s. Because she would 01:16:28.430 --> 01:16:31.489 have been very young then if she was originally 01:16:31.489 --> 01:16:36.590 cast in this role. It was 1983. And then she 01:16:36.590 --> 01:16:38.729 dropped it. I can't remember what movie she got, 01:16:38.850 --> 01:16:41.689 but she dropped this movie and they ended up 01:16:41.689 --> 01:16:46.130 casting Lynn Holly Johnson instead. Well. So 01:16:46.130 --> 01:16:49.510 you are winning two to one. So you could go for 01:16:49.510 --> 01:16:52.550 the sweep here. Going for the, what is it called? 01:16:52.590 --> 01:16:54.529 The hat trick? Is that when you score three? 01:16:54.670 --> 01:16:58.489 Okay. Yep. Yep. Yep. The hat trick. Patrick the 01:16:58.489 --> 01:17:06.569 hat trick. For the Narek award for winning the 01:17:06.569 --> 01:17:10.649 trivia goes to, but let's see what you can do 01:17:10.649 --> 01:17:13.640 with this third one. This was. This was the highest 01:17:13.640 --> 01:17:17.739 grossing movie of 1981, which incidentally also 01:17:17.739 --> 01:17:23.640 features ghosts. Was it A, Poltergeist, B, Raiders 01:17:23.640 --> 01:17:28.800 of the Lost Ark, or C, Superman 2? Oh, boy. Highest 01:17:28.800 --> 01:17:34.100 grossing movie of the year? Oh, gosh. I'm so 01:17:34.100 --> 01:17:39.279 bad with dates and when movies came out. I'm 01:17:39.279 --> 01:17:42.319 going to go with... For some reason, Raiders 01:17:42.319 --> 01:17:44.699 of the Lost Ark stuck out to me, but I don't 01:17:44.699 --> 01:17:47.279 know if that's true. Ding, ding, ding. Full guess. 01:17:47.340 --> 01:17:49.239 That's it. Full on guess there. I had no actual 01:17:49.239 --> 01:17:51.699 knowledge of that, but okay, great. Amazing. 01:17:52.600 --> 01:17:54.439 You are too humble. No, it's true. I did not 01:17:54.439 --> 01:18:00.159 know that. What? I totally guessed that. Well, 01:18:00.359 --> 01:18:03.260 that's all right. You know, it's all for fun 01:18:03.260 --> 01:18:07.210 where the points don't matter. I'll just come 01:18:07.210 --> 01:18:10.189 at you next time. I'm basing the full outlook 01:18:10.189 --> 01:18:12.289 of how this week goes based on how I score in 01:18:12.289 --> 01:18:14.569 these games, so it does matter. It matters to 01:18:14.569 --> 01:18:20.250 me. Well, you have nine points total, and I have 01:18:20.250 --> 01:18:25.770 7 .5. You know what? From four episodes, you 01:18:25.770 --> 01:18:27.970 were pretty close in score here. It's not as 01:18:27.970 --> 01:18:31.789 though one of us is sweeping the games. No, you're 01:18:31.789 --> 01:18:34.369 right. It's all neck and neck because... I have 01:18:34.369 --> 01:18:37.770 a running tally here. We've essentially been 01:18:37.770 --> 01:18:39.750 tied, actually, since the very beginning. Yeah, 01:18:39.770 --> 01:18:42.449 we've been basically trading a point here or 01:18:42.449 --> 01:18:45.489 there back and forth per episode. Yeah. Fantastic. 01:18:45.510 --> 01:18:47.970 Well done, everybody. Congratulations. Yeah. 01:18:48.170 --> 01:19:02.800 Well done. We did it. No, it's fun. It's a fun 01:19:02.800 --> 01:19:05.859 movie full of trivia that I honestly love talking 01:19:05.859 --> 01:19:08.520 about. And I love the genre. It's a good genre. 01:19:08.699 --> 01:19:13.619 It's a booming time in history as well for movies 01:19:13.619 --> 01:19:18.680 like this. It was fun to investigate, if nothing 01:19:18.680 --> 01:19:21.659 else. It's a good movie for spooky season. Let 01:19:21.659 --> 01:19:24.560 me just say that. This is currently September 01:19:24.560 --> 01:19:27.619 or October that we're dropping this episode. 01:19:28.039 --> 01:19:33.199 Friends, listeners, we hope you can seek this 01:19:33.199 --> 01:19:35.880 movie out or watch some of the other movies we 01:19:35.880 --> 01:19:37.560 talked about, some of the other spooky ghost 01:19:37.560 --> 01:19:40.779 movies. Let us know what you think. But Patrick, 01:19:40.859 --> 01:19:42.659 do you have any final thoughts? Final thoughts. 01:19:43.079 --> 01:19:46.140 You know, like you said, I didn't dislike this 01:19:46.140 --> 01:19:48.460 movie. Is it a movie that would have necessarily... 01:19:48.460 --> 01:19:50.680 If it were available on Disney +, would I watch 01:19:50.680 --> 01:19:53.199 it a lot? Probably not. But it is definitely... 01:19:53.199 --> 01:19:57.140 I think what is great about this movie for nerds 01:19:57.140 --> 01:19:59.380 like us is that the historical context behind 01:19:59.380 --> 01:20:02.279 it and all the things that happened before and 01:20:02.279 --> 01:20:05.180 after and because of this movie is what's interesting 01:20:05.180 --> 01:20:08.819 to me about this movie. And I'd also say if you 01:20:08.819 --> 01:20:11.359 have the chance, check out the book. It's a pretty... 01:20:11.689 --> 01:20:14.649 decent book and it does have a more fleshed out 01:20:14.649 --> 01:20:17.189 plot line that you can follow that's a little 01:20:17.189 --> 01:20:19.609 bit more easier to grasp onto and it's pretty 01:20:19.609 --> 01:20:21.409 well written so I recommend the book as well 01:20:21.409 --> 01:20:23.050 I can lend it to you next if you want to read 01:20:23.050 --> 01:20:29.430 it sure I think this as a as a as a monster movie 01:20:29.430 --> 01:20:31.949 you know doesn't have a quote unquote monster 01:20:31.949 --> 01:20:35.569 the alternate endings do as a whole again it's 01:20:35.569 --> 01:20:39.819 just it's it makes me want to watch other ghost 01:20:39.819 --> 01:20:42.880 movies that i do find more compelling watcher 01:20:42.880 --> 01:20:45.659 in the woods is solid enough good gateway horror 01:20:45.659 --> 01:20:49.979 there's a link to i'll drop a link to a blog 01:20:49.979 --> 01:20:52.619 from the british film institute that talks about 01:20:52.619 --> 01:20:57.619 it in that aspect as just gateway horror um so 01:20:57.619 --> 01:21:00.560 for young folks listening out there if you don't 01:21:00.560 --> 01:21:03.340 like horror movies you'll find this one a little 01:21:03.340 --> 01:21:06.000 more digestible yeah um so i think there's there's 01:21:06.000 --> 01:21:08.220 value in that too i agree yeah yeah that's a 01:21:08.220 --> 01:21:11.420 great point I love that. Love that. All right. 01:21:12.119 --> 01:21:15.880 Well, do you want to know? I was going to say, 01:21:15.899 --> 01:21:17.420 do you want to know what's up next for us on 01:21:17.420 --> 01:21:20.439 Magic and Monsters? I'm dying to know. This is 01:21:20.439 --> 01:21:22.619 my Disney fix. Like, you got to tell me what 01:21:22.619 --> 01:21:27.000 to watch. All right. So with my reveal of what 01:21:27.000 --> 01:21:28.760 movie we're watching next, you actually, I think, 01:21:28.779 --> 01:21:30.079 may have a choice on this. And you don't have 01:21:30.079 --> 01:21:32.460 to decide now. We can decide later as well in 01:21:32.460 --> 01:21:38.050 which version of this movie we watch. Yeah, yeah, 01:21:38.090 --> 01:21:40.289 yeah. We're staying on trend here with something 01:21:40.289 --> 01:21:43.430 that's hot in cinema these days, and that is 01:21:43.430 --> 01:21:47.130 the theme of dragons. And so with our next movie, 01:21:47.250 --> 01:21:53.399 we are going to watch Pete's Dragon. A movie 01:21:53.399 --> 01:21:57.699 I love. So there is an original Pete's Dragon, 01:21:57.859 --> 01:22:00.180 which has more of an animated dragon and is a 01:22:00.180 --> 01:22:03.659 musical as well. Or there is a remake of Pete's 01:22:03.659 --> 01:22:06.840 Dragon that is more CGI and a non -musical version 01:22:06.840 --> 01:22:10.159 of the movie. So I can let you decide or we can 01:22:10.159 --> 01:22:12.420 debate it later on. And we don't have to decide 01:22:12.420 --> 01:22:14.979 now which one we end up watching for Magic and 01:22:14.979 --> 01:22:18.479 Monsters. Oh, my gosh. Well, I'm going to watch. 01:22:18.800 --> 01:22:21.399 Yes, I recommend. I think both are definitely 01:22:21.399 --> 01:22:24.819 worth a watch, for sure. But they are pretty 01:22:24.819 --> 01:22:29.319 different movies, though, as well. Totally, totally 01:22:29.319 --> 01:22:31.699 reflective, I think, of the decades they were 01:22:31.699 --> 01:22:35.819 made in, just looking at the images. Absolutely. 01:22:35.819 --> 01:22:39.020 And maybe, yeah, and maybe we can find a way. 01:22:39.289 --> 01:22:41.930 to watch both and definitely maybe dissect both 01:22:41.930 --> 01:22:45.069 and their differences. That's such a fun choice. 01:22:45.329 --> 01:22:50.529 I can't wait. Pete's Dragon, 1970s or the 2010s. 01:22:51.270 --> 01:22:55.270 Amazing. Folks, we'll be confirming which title 01:22:55.270 --> 01:22:58.250 later. But let me just do a quick plug for Camp 01:22:58.250 --> 01:23:00.649 Kaiju stuff and then you can do the same and 01:23:00.649 --> 01:23:04.079 we'll head out. Friends, thank you for listening 01:23:04.079 --> 01:23:06.779 to Magic and Monsters brought to you by Gays 01:23:06.779 --> 01:23:09.819 Do The D and Camp Kaiju Monster Movie Podcasts. 01:23:09.819 --> 01:23:13.460 You can follow my dear podcast at campkaijupodcast 01:23:13.460 --> 01:23:17.800 .com, on Instagram at camp underscore kaiju underscore 01:23:17.800 --> 01:23:21.680 podcast, or just follow us wherever you listen 01:23:21.680 --> 01:23:24.979 to podcasts. Leave us a positive rating and review 01:23:24.979 --> 01:23:26.979 if you like what you hear. Let us know what you 01:23:26.979 --> 01:23:30.670 want to hear more of. We cover traditional kaiju 01:23:30.670 --> 01:23:32.909 creature features, space invaders, the supernatural, 01:23:33.229 --> 01:23:36.590 and everything in between. And me and my co -host 01:23:36.590 --> 01:23:40.510 Matt Levine really dive into not just the production 01:23:40.510 --> 01:23:43.789 history of these films, but also our personal 01:23:43.789 --> 01:23:46.890 reviews. And we love what we do, and we love 01:23:46.890 --> 01:23:48.970 talking about these movies and sharing them with 01:23:48.970 --> 01:23:51.890 folks. So thank you, thank you, thank you for 01:23:51.890 --> 01:23:55.310 listening. Hope to see you around on the airwaves. 01:23:56.010 --> 01:24:02.140 Hear you around. I love that. I hope to hear 01:24:02.140 --> 01:24:04.340 you around. I like that. I guess that means it's 01:24:04.340 --> 01:24:06.720 my turn. So yeah, I've been Patrick Kozicki from 01:24:06.720 --> 01:24:10.539 Gaze to the Deep podcast. Disney -themed podcast 01:24:10.539 --> 01:24:12.300 where we talk about all things Disney, movies, 01:24:12.579 --> 01:24:14.859 parks, what's hot in the news, with a little 01:24:14.859 --> 01:24:17.939 bit of an LGBTQ plus perspective around it. There 01:24:17.939 --> 01:24:21.819 are four podcast hosts, myself, Ryan, Kale, and 01:24:21.819 --> 01:24:25.619 JT, and we drop episodes every two weeks. So 01:24:25.619 --> 01:24:30.420 look for us on Instagram at gdtdpodcast, or we 01:24:30.420 --> 01:24:33.279 are online. Our website is gazedtothed .com. 01:24:33.479 --> 01:24:35.779 Or you can, if you have any questions, drop us 01:24:35.779 --> 01:24:39.439 an email at info at gazedtothed .com. And a quick 01:24:39.439 --> 01:24:42.460 thank you to Patreon listeners on both sides, 01:24:42.520 --> 01:24:45.840 on Camp Kaiju and on Gaze to the D. We thank 01:24:45.840 --> 01:24:49.060 you for your support, which keeps us, keeps the 01:24:49.060 --> 01:24:52.359 lights on to do projects like this. And a personal 01:24:52.359 --> 01:24:55.819 shout out to our patrons over at Camp Kaiju Monster 01:24:55.819 --> 01:25:01.060 Movie Podcast. Jason, Beastruel, Crispy, Sean, 01:25:01.359 --> 01:25:04.659 our anonymous patron, and Peggy. Thank you, thank 01:25:04.659 --> 01:25:09.390 you, thank you so much. Patrick. And crossover 01:25:09.390 --> 01:25:13.630 fans, if you are interested in any of this information, 01:25:13.829 --> 01:25:16.909 we will drop all these links and more into the 01:25:16.909 --> 01:25:20.210 show notes. Absolutely. And don't forget to hit 01:25:20.210 --> 01:25:21.890 that like button. I always forget to say that. 01:25:21.949 --> 01:25:25.109 Hit the like button. It does help us out a lot. 01:25:25.250 --> 01:25:29.069 So even if you didn't like it, hit it. So maybe 01:25:29.069 --> 01:25:31.109 your enemies will find us. All right. Until next 01:25:31.109 --> 01:25:43.850 time, stay campy. She's got Betty Davis eyes.