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Oh, there goes the other claw. We're just ripping

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them off. Sorry. Yeah. Bag of melted butter.

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I love crab legs. What can I say? But do you

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like yellow liquid? That is the horror of the

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deep right there. Hello and welcome to Camp Kaiju

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Monster Movie Podcast. We are your hosts, Vincent

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Hannum. And Matt Levine. And we are talking about

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all of our favorite monster movies. The good,

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the bad, and the downright campy. Asking if they

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stand the test of time. Traditional Kaiju, creature

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features, space invaders, the supernatural, and

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everything in between. All strange beasts. Welcome

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Links in the show notes. in one of the most explosive

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action pictures ever to hit the screen. From

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the depths of the ocean comes the most terrifying

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horror of the deep. From within the mountain

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caves comes the dreaded monster Godzilla. See

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the most titanic battle ever screened when the

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monster of the deep challenges the mighty Godzilla.

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Here we are. Hi, July. But Matt, it's good to

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see you. Likewise, yeah. We got a heck of an

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episode lined up for everyone out there listening.

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We're going to talk about 1966. Ebira, Horror

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of the Deep? I think it's Ebira. That's what

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I remember from the movie anyway. In the movie,

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I think they said Ebira. Oh, yeah. You're probably

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right. Something like that. Somewhere around

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there. Something like that. The big red lobster

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versus Godzilla versus the sea monster, honestly.

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Yeah, which I mean, like that tagline makes it

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sound awesome. The movie, does it live up to

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that potential awesomeness? I don't know. We'll

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discuss soon. Yeah, lots of highs and lows, I

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think. I think this is a mixed bag of crustacean

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here. So expect more ocean puns to be forced

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into this episode. But we also have a friend

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of the pod, Beth Bredlaw. You all may remember

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she just recently chatted with me about Godzilla

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Day over in Bloomington, Indiana. Well, Beth

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was recently at G -Fest as a panelist speaking

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about this very movie. June Fukuda's Ebera, Horror

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of the Deep. She is a June Fukuda super fan.

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She loves Ebera, and we're very excited to have

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her on in a little bit to talk about this movie

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a little more in depth. So that's awesome. We

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will take it from there. And then at the end

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of this episode, everybody, stick around. Me

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and Matt are going to reveal our picks for the

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podcast August through December. 10 more movies

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that we're going to reveal to each other. Matt

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and I have no idea what we're going to say. So

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it's kind of like opening some presents here

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on our birthday. So we hope you stick around

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to the end of the episode. I'm always so excited

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for this part, like the reveal of like the upcoming

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episodes for the rest of the season. It's so

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fun. Can't wait. I was racking my mind. I went

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back and forth so many times, but I've got my

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five that I'm going to stick to. Yeah, that's

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the only problem. How can you choose just five?

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Like I had a long list of like 30 that I wanted

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to choose, you know, at least. I know. Maybe

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Speaking of the Twin Cities, since last time,

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I just got to give a huge shout out to Zach Linder

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of the Zach Pack and Max Hannum for contributing

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Minneapolis. We're on the big screen, everybody.

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So cool. I love the Riverview Theater. I have

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not seen our ad on the screen there yet, but

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I hope to go back soon. It's one of my favorite

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theaters in the Twin Cities. It's so cool that

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the name Camp Kaiju is up there. Like you said,

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our name up in lights. That's awesome. Yeah,

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and it's running for four months right into October.

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Wow. We hit the big time. Here we are. You know,

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Thank you. Keep it up. We hope you enjoy all

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that's to come here on Camp Kaiju. Totally. And

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you mentioned spooky season coming up and maybe

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any other events that we have in the future.

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I don't want to say anything for sure yet, but

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we certainly hope that we have some kind of screening

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or some other events, you know, sometime over

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And... A bag of butter for your lobster. That's

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why you had all those bags of butter at your

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house. Now I understand. Bags of melted butter.

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Gross. Well, you know, let's just breeze through

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a little bit of monster movie history here in

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July. Have I talked about Qui -Don? Or I think

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it's actually pronounced Kaidan, the Japanese

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horror movie. No, I would remember that. Yeah,

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I really love that movie from 1965. It's by Masaki

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Kobayashi. I really love Japanese new wave horror

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movies. And that's one of the best. It's like

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a triptych of horror tales. And I also like anthology

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horror movies. So it kind of fits both of those

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bills there. Just stunningly beautiful, colorful,

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like very artificial sets. But that's kind of

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the point. Just like very stunning to look at.

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And you know a lot of stuff about Japanese culture

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and history in that movie as well. A little element

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of like social critique there too. So definitely

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recommend Kwaidan or Kaidan. I wish I knew how

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to pronounce that, but really, really great movie.

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Yeah, I hadn't been aware of that movie until

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now. That sounds great. Contrasting that, I have

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to shout out a blaxploitation film from 1972

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called The Thing with Two Heads. Do you know

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this movie? I've heard the title before, but

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I don't really know very much about it. So it

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stars Ray Moland. And let me just read the synopsis

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from Letterboxd because I actually have not seen

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this movie. So a rich but racist man is dying

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and hatches an elaborate scheme for transplanting

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his head onto another man's body. His health

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deteriorates rapidly and doctors are forced to

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transplant his head onto the only available candidate,

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a black man, a black man from death row. Whoa.

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I yeah, you know, you got to you got to believe

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and hope it has some sort of social critique

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on civil rights era of the time. But you look

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at a picture, it's literally Ray Milland and

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this other actor sharing a big coat. I'm looking

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at the same picture right now. Monty Python style.

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Yeah. Wow. I am intrigued. It looks like the

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reviews might not be glowing for this movie,

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but that just makes me. More interested to see

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it. I can't wait. One day. One day. That, you

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know, broadly fits the monster bill, right? Like,

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we could have that on the podcast someday, maybe.

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And everything in between, right? That's our

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catch -all. True, yeah. We are pretty loose with

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that, for better or worse. I think for better.

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Oh, yeah. Yeah, I'd be sad if I couldn't talk

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about movies about men sharing the same body.

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Yeah. You do talk about that an abnormal amount.

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Just kidding. That's not true. But it would be

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funny if that was like a frequent topic of conversation,

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like out of the blue. Didn't even realize it.

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You got to keep me on the straight and narrow

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here. I'm veering off too much into two heads,

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one body. There's Vincent. Yeah. Talking about

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double -headed, single -bodied creatures again.

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Male human creatures. Sorry, as usual, we're

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going on a weird tangent. Sorry about that. Weird

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is right. New and upcoming releases. Here's something

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fun. Shin Godzilla is being re -released in North

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America August 14th in 4K. So if you're like

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me, I was not paying attention to Shin Godzilla

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when it last was released in 2016. So if it's

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around, maybe like Alamo Draft Houses might be

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having it. Ooh, that would be fun. Yeah. I really

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love that movie. Yep. Same. See it on the big

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screen like that. That's what I was going to

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say. Yeah. That would be a treat. Hopefully I

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can make that. Yeah. Well, so yeah. Why not?

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Listeners, if you're interested, if you happen

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to be in the Twin Cities, hit us up. Maybe we'll

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make a thing out of it. I love making things

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out of things. Yeah. August 14th. Cool. I also

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really want to see Shin Kamen Rider, which is

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the third of that Shin series because Shin Ultraman

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was great. You and I saw that. Yeah. I'd love

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that one too. But Shin Kamen Rider, I don't know

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if that's how you pronounce it, but I had not

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seen that yet. So hopefully at some point. You

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know, I haven't either. Maybe on the pod. Who

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knows? Maybe. Yeah, we've covered the other Shin

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movies. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I don't want to give

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anything away. We'll see what happens in our

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reveal coming up. Wow. Don't tease me with a

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good time, man. You're absolutely not going to

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talk about Shin Kamen Rider. Well, like I said,

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I don't want to ruin anything. So time will tell.

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All right. Let's get into Ebra Horror of the

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Deep here, everybody. What's your personal history

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of this film, Matt? Pretty much none. I love

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the title. I had heard the title numerous times

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and I knew that it came out in the mid 60s, 1966

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to be exact. And that's kind of a hit or miss

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period for kaiju movies for me because I really

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love Ghidorah the Three -Headed Monster, which

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came out in 64, I think, but not a huge fan of

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Son of Godzilla, which I think came out in 67,

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so one year after this. So I didn't really know

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what to expect. Yeah, yeah. Eber, A Horror of

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the Deep, I've always known about just as a Godzilla

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fan. It's not one I watched frequently. And honestly,

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on this most recent rewatch, there were things

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I was like, oh, I did not remember that moment

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or that moment. I think that's telling for me

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why I don't really remember this movie too well.

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With that said, I'm glad we have a podcast that

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compels me to go back to some of these lesser

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seen movies. A lot of love in my heart for the

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franchise and for all the cast and crew involved.

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But please, you know, listeners don't come at

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me if I. If this is your favorite and I'm just

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not as excited as you might be or Beth might

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be in a little bit. Yeah, same. I, you know,

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not trying to get too far ahead of ourselves.

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I think you and I have kind of similar opinions

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about this movie. Some things to love, a lot

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of things to not love so much. But I definitely

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do understand people who really enjoy this movie.

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Like, no doubt about it. Totally get that. Yep,

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yep, yep. Oh, okay. This is going to be a good

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conversation. Great conversation. Behemoth. Goliath.

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King Kong escapes and meets his greatest foe,

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the Kong of Steel. A gargantuan duel unmatched

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by any battle in history. Thundering 60 -foot

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robot Kong of steel. Creation of the evil Dr.

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Who. Criminal genius who stops at nothing. Kong,

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once again, King Kong. King Kong shakes the earth.

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King Kong fights for life against the Communist

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Party. as King Kong battles the serpent of Mondo

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Island. Not his Kong! Hits himself against a

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nation's armament. And plunges a beautiful girl

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into a world of terror. Bionic Monster, a menacing

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giant, an awesome machine, unleashed with a deadly

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task. Godzilla, the only hope for Earth's survival.

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Godzilla vs. the Bionic Monster. Godzilla strives

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to win supremacy in a fight to the end. Will

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Godzilla triumph? Will Earth survive? Godzilla

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vs. the Bionic Monster, an Earth -shaking movie.

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Rated G. The mightiest monster the world has

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ever known. The mightiest egg the world has ever

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known. Introducing me, son of Godzilla. The fantastic

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red water. One of the many weird natural phenomena

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on mysterious Solgale Island. A great scientific

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experiment begins. Try another frequency. What

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is it? It seems as though something's jamming

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the wavelengths. Son of Godzilla, a rollicking

00:16:29.279 --> 00:16:43.379
monster spectacular. See how a baby monster becomes

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a monstrous monster. All right, so let's start

00:16:48.820 --> 00:16:50.940
with Jun Fukuda. Beth will have a lot more to

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say, and I'm looking forward to that. But just

00:16:53.620 --> 00:16:57.559
in a nutshell, Jun Fukuda, he honestly is the,

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after his Shiro Honda, he directed the most of

00:17:00.960 --> 00:17:04.440
the Showa era Godzilla films. So we're talking

00:17:04.440 --> 00:17:08.579
about Ebera, Son of Godzilla, but also things

00:17:08.579 --> 00:17:13.619
like Godzilla vs. Megalon, Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla,

00:17:13.839 --> 00:17:17.480
a lot of the 70s Godzilla pictures. He was the

00:17:17.480 --> 00:17:21.599
director behind it. So he fills his movies with

00:17:21.599 --> 00:17:26.220
a lot of crime elements. You'll see spies and

00:17:26.220 --> 00:17:32.160
agents. He likes to incorporate jazz scores into

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his films, which Abira certainly features that.

00:17:37.380 --> 00:17:41.000
Yeah, but he was Chinese born and he had been

00:17:41.000 --> 00:17:43.900
working at Toho since 1949, just a contract director,

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writer and producer. and also known for the TV

00:17:48.339 --> 00:17:51.339
series Zone Fighter. Do you know anything about

00:17:51.339 --> 00:17:53.500
that show? Because I love that title, Zone Fighter.

00:17:54.019 --> 00:17:57.259
Oh, I know it's a cult classic. It's very well

00:17:57.259 --> 00:18:00.539
loved. The series was also notable for its guest

00:18:00.539 --> 00:18:03.140
appearances by Toho's own Godzilla, as well as

00:18:03.140 --> 00:18:07.039
other two Toho monsters, King Ghidorah and Gigan.

00:18:07.339 --> 00:18:10.920
So yeah, it's like tangential to the Godzilla

00:18:10.920 --> 00:18:15.480
universe. Okay. Well, I haven't really seen any

00:18:15.480 --> 00:18:18.119
like kaiju TV series, but I'm sure some of them

00:18:18.119 --> 00:18:21.319
are pretty cool. Yes. And let me clear this up.

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So Zone Fighter is the name of this character

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who is like Ultraman. Okay. Ah, because remember

00:18:28.420 --> 00:18:33.039
Ultraman was a Tsuburaya production. I see. So

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Toho came up with its own called Zone Fighter.

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Okay. And it wasn't, there were only 26 episodes,

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so it didn't really last very long. We're learning

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new things every day. Yeah, sometimes like on

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the spot during the recording, which is great.

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I love it. The screenplay for Eberra Horror of

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the Deep is by Senichi Sekizawa. He's a familiar

00:18:56.269 --> 00:18:58.349
name from kaiju films from around this time.

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He also wrote Mothra vs. Godzilla, Ghidorah the

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Three -Headed Monster, and Invasion of Astro

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Monster. And, you know, kind of like I mentioned

00:19:06.789 --> 00:19:09.329
before, I love Ghidorah. We talked about Invasion

00:19:09.329 --> 00:19:13.029
of Astro Monster last. season. So we talked about

00:19:13.029 --> 00:19:15.490
that one pretty recently. Between Sekizawa and

00:19:15.490 --> 00:19:17.730
Fukuda, I feel like they have some shared crime

00:19:17.730 --> 00:19:19.990
interests. Maybe that's where that comes from.

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The music in Ebura Horror of the Deep is by Masaru

00:19:23.829 --> 00:19:27.789
Sato. He has a really stacked resume, did the

00:19:27.789 --> 00:19:30.589
scores for so many films, including other Godzilla

00:19:30.589 --> 00:19:33.390
films, some of them, and some Kurosawa movies

00:19:33.390 --> 00:19:37.900
like Throne of Blood, Yojimbo, and Sanjuro. Love

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the music for those movies. Sato is known for

00:19:40.240 --> 00:19:42.740
implementing Western jazz themes into his scores.

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And I do think that's one of the more effective

00:19:44.779 --> 00:19:47.079
things about Eberra, like the first time we see

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the titular creature, when we hear that kind

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of Western jazz theme, very effective, I think.

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And then the last crew member to shout out here

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is Sadamasa Adikawa, who did the special effects

00:20:01.319 --> 00:20:04.960
for the film. Eiji Tsuburaya supervised the special

00:20:04.960 --> 00:20:08.019
effects on Ebura. He's credited with doing the

00:20:08.019 --> 00:20:09.660
special effects and the credits for the film.

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But in fact, Tsuburaya was kind of busy starting

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his own special effects company at the time.

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So it was really Adikawa who was mainly responsible

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for the effects in this film. You know, a couple

00:20:20.049 --> 00:20:21.990
changes here. Like, usually we have music by

00:20:21.990 --> 00:20:24.609
Akira Ifukube. In this case, it's by Masaru Sato.

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Normally, in Godzilla films up until this time,

00:20:28.089 --> 00:20:30.569
we have special effects by Tsuburaya. In this

00:20:30.569 --> 00:20:33.150
case, they're by Arikawa instead. So, you know,

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a little bit of a different crew for this one.

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That is a result of Invasion of Astro Monster

00:20:39.109 --> 00:20:42.630
not making so much money as Toho would have liked.

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And consequently, just slashing budgets. All

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right. Well, leading the cast is Akira Takarada.

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He plays a safecracker. He's a fugitive. And

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he is the de facto leader of this gang of runaways

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on the island. So if you don't know the story

00:21:02.730 --> 00:21:06.670
of this movie in a nutshell, we have in a bag

00:21:06.670 --> 00:21:09.829
of melted butter, we have some young people.

00:21:09.950 --> 00:21:11.730
Well, first of all, we have one young person,

00:21:11.890 --> 00:21:16.170
Ryoto, I believe. And he has lost his brother.

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And his main goal, Ryoto, is to get a yacht or

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a boat to go find his brother who was on this

00:21:22.289 --> 00:21:25.430
boat that went down in the Pacific Ocean. Spoiler

00:21:25.430 --> 00:21:27.970
alert, his brother is found alive on Infant Island.

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Now, Ryoto joins up with a couple of other young

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guys who do have a boat. Well, no, they get on

00:21:35.930 --> 00:21:38.150
a boat. They're going to steal a boat. But who's

00:21:38.150 --> 00:21:41.170
on the boat but an actual criminal, a safecracker,

00:21:41.329 --> 00:21:45.690
Akira Takarada. Now the jig is up. He's on the

00:21:45.690 --> 00:21:49.650
run. They're caught up in his story. So they

00:21:49.650 --> 00:21:53.410
all head out in the high seas and they end up

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running across Abira. Their ship sinks. They

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end up on this island, Devil's Island, where

00:22:01.349 --> 00:22:05.710
they run afoul of a secret paramilitary James

00:22:05.710 --> 00:22:11.910
Bond -esque group called the Red Bamboo. Adventure

00:22:11.910 --> 00:22:15.009
ensues. Godzilla shows up. Mothra saves the day.

00:22:15.970 --> 00:22:18.970
There. That's a great synopsis. I love the fact

00:22:18.970 --> 00:22:22.809
that Ryoto meets his two new friends at a dance

00:22:22.809 --> 00:22:25.509
marathon. He's just like, I can't even remember

00:22:25.509 --> 00:22:28.210
exactly why he's there. And they're suddenly

00:22:28.210 --> 00:22:30.509
best friends. And another thing that I love is

00:22:30.509 --> 00:22:33.349
that Akira Takarada as the safecracker, he has

00:22:33.349 --> 00:22:35.470
so many lines of dialogue where he's like, I'm

00:22:35.470 --> 00:22:38.809
an expert. I'm a pro. It's not as easy as it

00:22:38.809 --> 00:22:41.630
looks, like over and over again. And I like to

00:22:41.630 --> 00:22:43.890
imagine that he is just like very sensitive and

00:22:43.890 --> 00:22:46.470
insecure about his safe cracking skills. He always

00:22:46.470 --> 00:22:48.329
feels the need to like prove that to everybody,

00:22:48.490 --> 00:22:52.289
you know? I was laughing at all those lines because

00:22:52.289 --> 00:22:56.509
what he's doing is nigh impossible. And I think

00:22:56.509 --> 00:22:59.009
even one of the young kids, he's not young kids,

00:22:59.029 --> 00:23:02.650
they're like young men. He's like, wow, how'd

00:23:02.650 --> 00:23:04.789
you do that? And he's a stand -in for the audience

00:23:04.789 --> 00:23:06.430
because I'm thinking, yeah, how did you do that?

00:23:06.940 --> 00:23:09.599
And Takarada's answer is, I'm just that good

00:23:09.599 --> 00:23:15.819
kid. Yeah. Okay, I won't question it. Sure, it's

00:23:15.819 --> 00:23:19.940
very entertaining, yeah. But yeah, he's a familiar

00:23:19.940 --> 00:23:22.000
face. I'm sorry if you were about to get to this.

00:23:22.019 --> 00:23:24.119
No, go for it, go for it. Familiar face from

00:23:24.119 --> 00:23:27.359
the Godzilla series. We just saw him with Nick

00:23:27.359 --> 00:23:30.900
Adams in Invasion of Astro Monster. And Takarada

00:23:30.900 --> 00:23:32.460
goes all the way back to the original Godzilla

00:23:32.460 --> 00:23:34.579
from 54, right? I think he's in that one as well.

00:23:34.880 --> 00:23:38.000
Yeah, yeah. So yeah, you know, a legend in the

00:23:38.000 --> 00:23:41.140
series. Mm -hmm. You know who else we just saw

00:23:41.140 --> 00:23:46.420
in Invasion of Astro Monster? Kumi Mizuno. And

00:23:46.420 --> 00:23:50.000
she is in Ibira playing Dayo, a woman from Infant

00:23:50.000 --> 00:23:52.480
Island who's captured by the Red Bamboo. She

00:23:52.480 --> 00:23:56.240
escapes and helps the group. She meets up with

00:23:56.240 --> 00:23:58.880
them. She was in other Godzilla sci -fi films

00:23:58.880 --> 00:24:01.920
like Matango, also known as Attack of the Mushroom

00:24:01.920 --> 00:24:05.460
People, Frankenstein Conquers the World. Gorath

00:24:05.460 --> 00:24:10.000
and the War of the Gargantuas. I am excited to

00:24:10.000 --> 00:24:12.220
see the War of the Gargantuas someday. I just

00:24:12.220 --> 00:24:14.099
want to throw that in there. Just want to throw

00:24:14.099 --> 00:24:17.619
it out there. I came oh so close to offering

00:24:17.619 --> 00:24:22.240
it up as a Kai July pick. I thought about it

00:24:22.240 --> 00:24:25.619
too. Yeah, someday, if not for the second half

00:24:25.619 --> 00:24:28.339
of season five, or maybe it will be, it'll be

00:24:28.339 --> 00:24:31.420
on the podcast. I'm calling it now. It's going

00:24:31.420 --> 00:24:35.029
to happen. Well, it better because you're just

00:24:35.029 --> 00:24:38.130
like not so subtly throwing out so many movies.

00:24:38.430 --> 00:24:41.849
I'm going to be sorely disappointed. Yeah, you

00:24:41.849 --> 00:24:48.690
will be disappointed probably. Okay, Akihiko

00:24:48.690 --> 00:24:52.650
Hirata. Akihiko Hirata plays Red Bamboo Captain

00:24:52.650 --> 00:24:55.789
Ryu. He is a longtime player in the Godzilla

00:24:55.789 --> 00:24:58.349
series. He played the doom young scientist Dr.

00:24:58.490 --> 00:25:01.250
Serizawa in the original Gojira. and the doomed

00:25:01.250 --> 00:25:05.349
old scientist, Dr. Mifune, in Terror of Mechagodzilla.

00:25:06.329 --> 00:25:09.809
And then Jun Tozaki is another Red Bamboo commander.

00:25:10.269 --> 00:25:12.589
He was a favorite actor of Honda and Kurosawa.

00:25:12.690 --> 00:25:15.589
He pops up in a bunch of their films. Yeah, that's

00:25:15.589 --> 00:25:18.069
the major cast. I couldn't find too much information

00:25:18.069 --> 00:25:20.150
about the other cast members, but a lot of familiar

00:25:20.150 --> 00:25:23.809
faces for sure. Yep. I mean, like the Red Bamboo

00:25:23.809 --> 00:25:25.529
officers are in the movie for like less than

00:25:25.529 --> 00:25:27.569
two minutes total probably, but you recognize

00:25:27.569 --> 00:25:31.279
them anyway. I did recognize those actors. If

00:25:31.279 --> 00:25:34.660
I hadn't, though, I will say a lot of the Red

00:25:34.660 --> 00:25:39.119
Bamboo people just kind of blend together. Yeah.

00:25:39.359 --> 00:25:43.319
Except the guy with the eyepatch, which is Hirahata.

00:25:43.759 --> 00:25:47.039
Well, that'll probably be in my review towards

00:25:47.039 --> 00:25:49.000
the end. I might bring some of that up again.

00:25:49.579 --> 00:25:56.180
I look forward to it. Thank you. So, Ebura Horror

00:25:56.180 --> 00:25:58.500
of the Deep was the seventh film in the Godzilla

00:25:58.500 --> 00:26:01.579
franchise. One could also say the fourth film

00:26:01.579 --> 00:26:04.299
in the Mothra series. Didn't even know Mothra

00:26:04.299 --> 00:26:06.140
was going to be in this movie when I started

00:26:06.140 --> 00:26:08.740
watching it. But now, in retrospect, what Beth

00:26:08.740 --> 00:26:10.599
said about the color scheme does kind of make

00:26:10.599 --> 00:26:13.480
sense. At the same time, it maybe kind of comes

00:26:13.480 --> 00:26:15.619
out of nowhere a little bit, but we'll talk about

00:26:15.619 --> 00:26:18.079
that later. Talking about a lot later. Sorry.

00:26:18.779 --> 00:26:21.940
So, Toho wanted to make another King Kong movie.

00:26:22.359 --> 00:26:24.339
They did have the rights to the character at

00:26:24.339 --> 00:26:27.480
that time for five years in their contract with

00:26:27.480 --> 00:26:30.799
RKO. Didn't really honestly do a lot with those

00:26:30.799 --> 00:26:32.960
rights up until this point. But right around

00:26:32.960 --> 00:26:37.579
the same time in 1966 -67, the American studio

00:26:37.579 --> 00:26:41.240
Rankin -Bass were debuting their animated series

00:26:41.240 --> 00:26:44.480
The King Kong Show and wanted to co -produce

00:26:44.480 --> 00:26:47.900
this next Toho King Kong film as a sort of cross

00:26:47.900 --> 00:26:50.319
-promotion. But that ended up not really working

00:26:50.319 --> 00:26:53.160
out all that well. Rankin -Bass insisted that

00:26:53.160 --> 00:26:56.140
the film have Ishiro Honda as director and Eiji

00:26:56.140 --> 00:27:00.119
Tsuburaya as special effects director. Toho disagreed,

00:27:00.119 --> 00:27:02.880
perhaps largely as a cost -saving measure. They

00:27:02.880 --> 00:27:07.759
wanted Fukuda to be director and Salamasa Arikawa

00:27:07.759 --> 00:27:10.299
to do the special effects. Toho wouldn't really

00:27:10.299 --> 00:27:12.750
budge. Rankin -Bass pulled out. They would, however,

00:27:12.809 --> 00:27:16.869
work with Toho on 1967's King Kong Escapes. And

00:27:16.869 --> 00:27:19.130
in that film, Ishiro Honda and Eiji Tsuburaya

00:27:19.130 --> 00:27:23.569
would both be back to work on that one. Toho

00:27:23.569 --> 00:27:25.309
went ahead with the script as written, though.

00:27:25.369 --> 00:27:27.710
They really liked the script a lot. Didn't really

00:27:27.710 --> 00:27:29.750
change anything. They simply inserted Godzilla

00:27:29.750 --> 00:27:33.309
into the King Kong role. That explains some things

00:27:33.309 --> 00:27:35.369
in Eberra Horror of the Deep that might seem

00:27:35.369 --> 00:27:37.410
a little bit surprising. Godzilla's apparent

00:27:37.410 --> 00:27:40.269
interest in the female character, Daioh, and

00:27:40.269 --> 00:27:42.509
the role of lightning in Awakening Him, which

00:27:42.509 --> 00:27:44.890
is a callback to King Kong's relationship to

00:27:44.890 --> 00:27:48.680
lightning in King Kong vs. Godzilla. which itself,

00:27:48.779 --> 00:27:51.859
and this is pretty convoluted, that itself only

00:27:51.859 --> 00:27:54.700
exists because Toho had swapped King Kong in

00:27:54.700 --> 00:27:57.579
place of Frankenstein's monster. I like what

00:27:57.579 --> 00:28:00.039
you wrote here, Vincent. Do you mind if I say

00:28:00.039 --> 00:28:02.099
this, or you can if you want? What did I write?

00:28:02.160 --> 00:28:04.779
I forget. It's a regular Russian nesting doll

00:28:04.779 --> 00:28:07.279
of kaiju and lightning. Oh my gosh, but it's

00:28:07.279 --> 00:28:11.059
so true. It is. Not to mention, one of my favorite

00:28:11.059 --> 00:28:13.200
scenes in Eber, a horror of the deep, is when

00:28:13.200 --> 00:28:16.109
Godzilla is attacked by a bunch of... Planes,

00:28:16.109 --> 00:28:18.130
like attack planes, which I think is a callback

00:28:18.130 --> 00:28:20.849
to King Kong as well. And another callback to

00:28:20.849 --> 00:28:24.289
King Kong is when Godzilla, he's ripped the claw

00:28:24.289 --> 00:28:27.829
off of Ebura and Godzilla's just opening and

00:28:27.829 --> 00:28:31.690
shutting it the way Kong does the T -Rex jaw

00:28:31.690 --> 00:28:34.789
after breaking it in the movie. I didn't even

00:28:34.789 --> 00:28:36.289
pick up on that, but you're absolutely right.

00:28:36.410 --> 00:28:40.670
Yeah. Yeah. It's just, I don't think it's a critique

00:28:40.670 --> 00:28:44.049
of the film. I don't think it detracts from what

00:28:44.049 --> 00:28:47.210
we're watching. I just think it's fascinating

00:28:47.210 --> 00:28:50.890
that Godzilla is playing King Kong in this movie.

00:28:51.730 --> 00:28:55.049
Yeah, it kind of works like a, you know, if you

00:28:55.049 --> 00:28:56.789
watch the movie and you don't know that backstory,

00:28:56.970 --> 00:28:59.210
it's, you know, I'm sure still entertaining.

00:28:59.390 --> 00:29:01.650
And like some of those things come out of nowhere,

00:29:01.730 --> 00:29:03.430
but they're very surprising and amusing. But

00:29:03.430 --> 00:29:05.130
if you know that backstory, it just kind of becomes

00:29:05.130 --> 00:29:07.690
deeper and more like if you're a monster movie

00:29:07.690 --> 00:29:10.990
fan, all this kind of like shared lore is so

00:29:10.990 --> 00:29:15.789
fun, you know? Yeah. Also, Toho. Why did you

00:29:15.789 --> 00:29:17.910
drop the ball on King Kong movies? You had five

00:29:17.910 --> 00:29:19.930
years to make as many as you wanted, it sounds

00:29:19.930 --> 00:29:25.589
like. What were you doing? Yeah, one can only

00:29:25.589 --> 00:29:28.250
imagine all the cool crossover stuff that could

00:29:28.250 --> 00:29:31.670
have happened, you know? Yeah. That's all right.

00:29:31.990 --> 00:29:35.349
I'll write a letter to Toho executives complaining

00:29:35.349 --> 00:29:41.509
about 1960s contract with RKO. This is what you

00:29:41.509 --> 00:29:43.809
should have done 60 years ago, Toho students.

00:29:44.910 --> 00:29:46.789
I guess we kind of have some of this stuff now

00:29:46.789 --> 00:29:49.049
with the Monsterverse movies and Godzilla X Kong

00:29:49.049 --> 00:29:51.289
and stuff like that, but not the same. Not by

00:29:51.289 --> 00:29:54.910
a long shot. Not the same. Bring Eberra back

00:29:54.910 --> 00:30:01.210
in the Monsterverse. Yeah. We can lead that campaign.

00:30:01.750 --> 00:30:05.990
I'm up for that. Like a cameo, I think. I would

00:30:05.990 --> 00:30:10.509
welcome that. The recycled suits in this film,

00:30:10.609 --> 00:30:13.880
another indicator of the reduced budget. the

00:30:13.880 --> 00:30:17.240
Mothra prop is looking a little ragged at this

00:30:17.240 --> 00:30:19.839
point because it's, it's the same one they've

00:30:19.839 --> 00:30:23.440
been using for, I don't know, before this, you

00:30:23.440 --> 00:30:28.019
Mothra showed up in, or the flying Mothra was

00:30:28.019 --> 00:30:30.220
in Mothra versus Godzilla because it was just

00:30:30.220 --> 00:30:33.500
the larva in Ghidorah, the three headed monster.

00:30:34.140 --> 00:30:38.000
Yeah. That's a few years old now. Yeah. Yeah,

00:30:38.059 --> 00:30:40.779
indeed. And that was the only movie it had appeared

00:30:40.779 --> 00:30:43.180
in before this one, I think, right? Right. And

00:30:43.180 --> 00:30:45.660
the first Mothra, of course. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

00:30:45.740 --> 00:30:49.180
Yeah. But then the giant condor scene, the infamous

00:30:49.180 --> 00:30:53.039
condor that just appears out of nowhere and attacks

00:30:53.039 --> 00:30:55.359
Godzilla. That's actually a dressed up Rodan

00:30:55.359 --> 00:30:58.619
prop. That was just kind of lying around and

00:30:58.619 --> 00:31:00.339
available as far as I know. Yeah, they just put

00:31:00.339 --> 00:31:04.440
a bunch of feathers on it. I, you know, I simultaneously

00:31:04.440 --> 00:31:08.180
admire the attempts to like. They're working

00:31:08.180 --> 00:31:10.039
on a small budget. They're probably speeding

00:31:10.039 --> 00:31:11.980
through the shooting schedule a little bit. They

00:31:11.980 --> 00:31:14.279
wanted to get this movie out there. So I kind

00:31:14.279 --> 00:31:17.180
of appreciate the ingenuity in terms of still

00:31:17.180 --> 00:31:20.980
providing all these fun monster fights on a low

00:31:20.980 --> 00:31:22.740
budget and all that. And at the same time, it's

00:31:22.740 --> 00:31:25.710
like, ah. you know, maybe there was a little

00:31:25.710 --> 00:31:28.009
bit of like cutting corners and some of the like,

00:31:28.009 --> 00:31:30.089
like screenwriting, some of the storytelling,

00:31:30.190 --> 00:31:32.609
some of the monster fights, which may be, you

00:31:32.609 --> 00:31:34.789
know, like the giant condor, I think lasts for

00:31:34.789 --> 00:31:37.150
like two minutes and then it's over. So, you

00:31:37.150 --> 00:31:39.750
know, it's, I'm ambivalent towards, towards some

00:31:39.750 --> 00:31:42.130
of that stuff. Well, it's, this is actually a

00:31:42.130 --> 00:31:43.589
pretty good point you bring up, Matt, because

00:31:43.589 --> 00:31:48.650
I think when I, when I lend my critical eye to

00:31:48.650 --> 00:31:52.160
a beer, a horror of the deep, there's, There's

00:31:52.160 --> 00:31:55.799
two sides of this coin. Number one, I do believe

00:31:55.799 --> 00:31:58.740
Jun Fukuda is making as good a movie as he can

00:31:58.740 --> 00:32:03.700
with his limited resources. And I think that's

00:32:03.700 --> 00:32:06.220
admirable. And I love that. I mean, I love Ed

00:32:06.220 --> 00:32:08.559
Wood for the same reason. This is far better

00:32:08.559 --> 00:32:13.180
than an Ed Wood picture. But to your point, where,

00:32:13.599 --> 00:32:19.299
however, might that veer into cutting a corner

00:32:19.299 --> 00:32:22.380
and taking a shortcut? I don't have an answer,

00:32:22.519 --> 00:32:26.599
but it crosses my mind. Yeah. And I, you know,

00:32:26.619 --> 00:32:28.180
I think in my review later, I'll probably talk

00:32:28.180 --> 00:32:30.259
about that a little bit more, but I feel like

00:32:30.259 --> 00:32:33.039
in some ways it does kind of feel like a movie

00:32:33.039 --> 00:32:36.180
of potential, but like wasted opportunities in

00:32:36.180 --> 00:32:38.779
some ways. Like I think of the scene where Godzilla

00:32:38.779 --> 00:32:41.339
is resurrected by the bolt of lightning and that

00:32:41.339 --> 00:32:44.019
should be such an awesome scene. Like, you know,

00:32:44.039 --> 00:32:49.160
a throwback, not only to, sorry, the Frankenstein

00:32:49.160 --> 00:32:51.559
conquers the world, right? Yeah. talking about

00:32:51.559 --> 00:32:53.960
and also of course the original Frankenstein

00:32:53.960 --> 00:32:56.759
it could have been such an exciting like suspenseful

00:32:56.759 --> 00:32:58.980
moment but like really it's kind of just a couple

00:32:58.980 --> 00:33:01.920
shots and like you know there's no there's not

00:33:01.920 --> 00:33:04.819
much impact to it in my opinion so yeah you know

00:33:04.819 --> 00:33:08.779
I think with a bigger budget more time no offense

00:33:08.779 --> 00:33:11.279
to Jun Fukuda but like maybe with the Shiro Honda

00:33:11.279 --> 00:33:13.019
and the director's chair maybe some of those

00:33:13.019 --> 00:33:14.980
things might have been more effective but yeah

00:33:14.980 --> 00:33:17.819
you know I felt like this I felt like this movie

00:33:18.329 --> 00:33:20.849
was almost too economical. Like, it clipped by

00:33:20.849 --> 00:33:26.509
at, like, a very business -like pace. I was tracking

00:33:26.509 --> 00:33:30.970
plot points like, yep, we've established Chekhov's

00:33:30.970 --> 00:33:33.309
sword. Oh, now we're using it. Boom, there's

00:33:33.309 --> 00:33:35.029
the lightning. Great. We've got to move on to

00:33:35.029 --> 00:33:37.049
the next story beat that connects the story.

00:33:37.369 --> 00:33:39.410
And da -da -da -da -dum, da -da -dum, da -da

00:33:39.410 --> 00:33:45.130
-dum. And it just, it was just, like, too lean.

00:33:45.250 --> 00:33:49.339
Too lean of a film. almost. Now there were some

00:33:49.339 --> 00:33:52.859
shots that I did find really effective, but overall

00:33:52.859 --> 00:33:56.799
I found the pacing just businesslike. I blanking

00:33:56.799 --> 00:33:58.440
on the word I do want to use, but I think you

00:33:58.440 --> 00:34:00.779
catch my drift. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Like.

00:34:01.799 --> 00:34:03.519
haphazard maybe is the word that i would use

00:34:03.519 --> 00:34:04.880
i don't know that's probably not the one that

00:34:04.880 --> 00:34:07.559
you were looking for but it's like why is ryoto

00:34:07.559 --> 00:34:10.219
like meeting guys at a dance marathon like why

00:34:10.219 --> 00:34:12.500
do they just like steal this yacht who is red

00:34:12.500 --> 00:34:15.159
bamboo like we get like maybe two lines of dialogue

00:34:15.159 --> 00:34:18.019
about what this group actually is you know yeah

00:34:18.019 --> 00:34:20.019
and yeah like i think you're right it just like

00:34:20.019 --> 00:34:22.980
speeds through the story so fast it's like this

00:34:22.980 --> 00:34:27.389
could have been more uh just powerful, suspenseful,

00:34:27.610 --> 00:34:30.230
like surprising, shocking. It could have been

00:34:30.230 --> 00:34:32.869
more, I think, you know? Yeah. I will say the

00:34:32.869 --> 00:34:36.289
winner of the dance contest would receive a yacht.

00:34:36.969 --> 00:34:40.969
Oh, you're right. Yep, yep. But when they show

00:34:40.969 --> 00:34:44.050
up on the yacht that they're going to steal and

00:34:44.050 --> 00:34:49.170
Takarada is on board, why does he let them stay?

00:34:49.590 --> 00:34:53.829
Why does he say, he's like, beat it, scram. Nah,

00:34:53.909 --> 00:34:59.650
stay the night. That you're just, you just have

00:34:59.650 --> 00:35:02.050
a story to write and you're just, that's cutting

00:35:02.050 --> 00:35:05.969
corners, right? That is a great example of Sakizawa

00:35:05.969 --> 00:35:09.170
or whoever was just like, we don't have time

00:35:09.170 --> 00:35:11.389
or maybe the interest in actually coming up with

00:35:11.389 --> 00:35:14.170
something believable. Yeah. We're just going

00:35:14.170 --> 00:35:17.570
to say he's changed his mind and now they can

00:35:17.570 --> 00:35:22.010
stay. Yeah, right, exactly. And like, you know,

00:35:22.030 --> 00:35:24.369
when the gang is all on Devil's Island later

00:35:24.369 --> 00:35:26.329
on and they all split up for various reasons,

00:35:26.570 --> 00:35:28.409
it's like, this is just to push the story along.

00:35:28.610 --> 00:35:31.289
Like, why is this person rushing into an extremely

00:35:31.289 --> 00:35:34.469
dangerous situation with no backup? Anyway, we'll

00:35:34.469 --> 00:35:36.710
return to that later, perhaps. The release and

00:35:36.710 --> 00:35:38.750
legacy of this film, it was released in Japan

00:35:38.750 --> 00:35:42.130
in December of 66. It was only released to American

00:35:42.130 --> 00:35:45.349
TV, and that was in 1968. It was renamed Godzilla

00:35:45.349 --> 00:35:50.849
vs. the Sea Monster, which... You know, look,

00:35:50.949 --> 00:35:52.909
if you're if you're if you're marketing a Godzilla

00:35:52.909 --> 00:35:56.210
movie, I do think you should have Godzilla in

00:35:56.210 --> 00:35:58.949
the title. Nothing wrong with but like, I don't

00:35:58.949 --> 00:36:01.730
know, Ebera Horror of the Deep. Is this an Ebera

00:36:01.730 --> 00:36:06.510
movie, a Mothra movie or Godzilla movie? Right.

00:36:06.690 --> 00:36:09.670
Yeah. I mean, I love the title. It is misleading,

00:36:09.829 --> 00:36:13.030
though. I mean, we Ebera's in this movie. This

00:36:13.030 --> 00:36:14.750
is a consistent theme, but I feel like Ebera's

00:36:14.750 --> 00:36:16.349
in this movie for like less than five minutes,

00:36:16.489 --> 00:36:18.789
you know? Jun Fukuda was not fond of this film.

00:36:18.889 --> 00:36:23.170
That's funny. He said in an interview that, quote,

00:36:23.190 --> 00:36:26.130
Toho sent me a copy of the VHS tape edition of

00:36:26.130 --> 00:36:28.489
Godzilla vs. the Sea Monster when it was released.

00:36:28.690 --> 00:36:31.090
It was like opening up an old wound. I didn't

00:36:31.090 --> 00:36:35.130
watch the tape. Yeah, I don't think it's that

00:36:35.130 --> 00:36:38.510
bad. No, yeah, there are lots of things to love

00:36:38.510 --> 00:36:40.070
about it, but I'm sure it must have been frustrating

00:36:40.070 --> 00:36:42.690
for him to, like, have to work with limited resources.

00:36:42.949 --> 00:36:45.889
And I also read that maybe he wasn't always...

00:36:46.400 --> 00:36:48.860
like he made a lot of kaiju movies and like some

00:36:48.860 --> 00:36:51.139
of them are really good but some of the interviews

00:36:51.139 --> 00:36:53.079
that i've read are like quotes that he said maybe

00:36:53.079 --> 00:36:54.820
he kind of looked down on some of these movies

00:36:54.820 --> 00:36:57.519
sometimes you know well that happened a lot actually

00:36:57.519 --> 00:37:02.639
even honda right yeah you know toho sending it

00:37:02.639 --> 00:37:06.539
fukuda tape the real the real problem was fukuda

00:37:06.539 --> 00:37:12.969
didn't have a vcr i made that up Could be, could

00:37:12.969 --> 00:37:17.409
be, yeah. Here's your bag of melted butter. Yeah,

00:37:17.989 --> 00:37:19.570
maybe they should have sent him melted butter

00:37:19.570 --> 00:37:22.510
and like, you know, four dozen shrimp or something

00:37:22.510 --> 00:37:24.349
like that. Might have been more appropriate.

00:37:26.090 --> 00:37:32.989
48 shrimp. Amazing. I don't know, sorry. All

00:37:32.989 --> 00:37:35.539
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00:37:56.599 --> 00:37:58.360
Matt, just want to let you know, I think we're

00:37:58.360 --> 00:38:02.679
going to hold off on Mania's mailbox and Peter

00:38:02.679 --> 00:38:06.500
Lorre's segment. on this episode, just because

00:38:06.500 --> 00:38:09.079
we want to make sure we get to our reveal for

00:38:09.079 --> 00:38:12.840
season five, part two. But rest assured, Peter

00:38:12.840 --> 00:38:17.179
Lorre will return next time with a review of

00:38:17.179 --> 00:38:21.659
The Ape Man about Bela Lugosi being a mad scientist

00:38:21.659 --> 00:38:27.480
turning into an ape man. I can't wait, man. He

00:38:27.480 --> 00:38:29.420
seems pretty excited in his room over there.

00:38:29.539 --> 00:38:31.500
So yeah, looking forward to him talking about

00:38:31.500 --> 00:38:34.949
that. You don't know, do you? I never know. He's

00:38:34.949 --> 00:38:36.889
just like muttering in there. He's like talking

00:38:36.889 --> 00:38:39.289
a lot of nonsense and he finally pulls it together

00:38:39.289 --> 00:38:41.710
for for the recording. So I guess it's a good

00:38:41.710 --> 00:38:43.349
thing he finally puts his act together, you know?

00:38:43.849 --> 00:38:46.710
I guess so. I mean, I think I think he he might

00:38:46.710 --> 00:38:49.690
be in dire straits with this lilac. I think I

00:38:49.690 --> 00:38:53.969
think last time I I heard I have like a cycle.

00:38:54.030 --> 00:38:56.849
I have like a telekinetic connection to Mr. Laurie.

00:38:56.929 --> 00:38:58.510
I've never I've only met him once in person,

00:38:58.590 --> 00:39:02.059
but like. Sometimes I feel a disturbance in the

00:39:02.059 --> 00:39:05.599
force. I feel, I think I heard it. I think I

00:39:05.599 --> 00:39:09.840
felt his bones crunching in the last episode.

00:39:10.480 --> 00:39:14.519
So he might be in trouble there. Yeah. With a

00:39:14.519 --> 00:39:17.880
mad ravenous plant. I think you're right. I hear

00:39:17.880 --> 00:39:20.300
that a lot. I just choose not to go in and check

00:39:20.300 --> 00:39:22.699
on him. So crossing my fingers. Hope you're all

00:39:22.699 --> 00:39:25.579
right, Peter. Save Peter. That's going to be

00:39:25.579 --> 00:39:27.860
our next t -shirt. Yeah. Hashtag save Peter.

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Island. Rated G. Hi, Beth. Hi, Fred. How's it

00:40:26.699 --> 00:40:31.539
going? Oh, good. Great. How are you? Good. I

00:40:31.539 --> 00:40:34.980
am recovered, getting back to the swing of things,

00:40:35.099 --> 00:40:38.780
working on my next research project. So back

00:40:38.780 --> 00:40:43.599
from G -Fest with all the updates. Amazing. Can't

00:40:43.599 --> 00:40:46.800
wait to hear about it. Yeah, it was, you know,

00:40:46.800 --> 00:40:50.300
this year, the day sold out. And when I tell

00:40:50.300 --> 00:40:54.869
you selling out the Hyatt is... more people than

00:40:54.869 --> 00:40:58.269
you could imagine. I mean, it was, GFest was

00:40:58.269 --> 00:41:01.389
crazy this year. I mean, it was so crowded. It

00:41:01.389 --> 00:41:04.110
was really an accomplishment this year. That

00:41:04.110 --> 00:41:06.650
is awesome. Vincent and I went to GFest, what

00:41:06.650 --> 00:41:08.449
was it, like two or three years ago at this point?

00:41:08.530 --> 00:41:10.469
But it's been a while for me. I loved it last

00:41:10.469 --> 00:41:12.889
time I was there. Yeah, same. Been dying to get

00:41:12.889 --> 00:41:15.710
back. So happy for you. So yeah, you had such

00:41:15.710 --> 00:41:19.269
a great time. The Camp Kaiju Instagram feed was

00:41:19.269 --> 00:41:22.590
blowing up with so many other Kaiju fans and

00:41:22.590 --> 00:41:25.809
fans Folks just posting so many great pictures.

00:41:25.849 --> 00:41:28.590
Beth, I think you were trying to do a Mothra

00:41:28.590 --> 00:41:33.050
dance with the larva there. Good for you. Yeah,

00:41:33.150 --> 00:41:36.750
my first talk, I was in the dojo room with Dojo

00:41:36.750 --> 00:41:39.769
Studios, who does so many of the amazing suits.

00:41:40.090 --> 00:41:42.730
So I ended up kind of meeting with the guy, and

00:41:42.730 --> 00:41:44.550
I'm still friends with him on Instagram, Matt.

00:41:45.239 --> 00:41:47.780
And yeah, so I got to like hang out with the

00:41:47.780 --> 00:41:50.679
mantra suit and the mantra actor. So we were,

00:41:50.679 --> 00:41:52.500
you were having a whole sing off. It was kind

00:41:52.500 --> 00:41:56.440
of amazing. That is so cool. I wish I could have

00:41:56.440 --> 00:42:00.480
been there. It was crazy this year. Cool. Yeah,

00:42:00.519 --> 00:42:03.179
definitely next year. Cause Matt, I mean, Beth,

00:42:03.280 --> 00:42:05.260
we only live, we live in the twin cities here.

00:42:05.340 --> 00:42:08.619
So really we're close enough to make the trip.

00:42:09.199 --> 00:42:11.199
We should do a panel next year. We should, we

00:42:11.199 --> 00:42:13.960
should all do something next year. We absolutely

00:42:13.960 --> 00:42:18.530
should. Yes, please. We did apply this year.

00:42:18.630 --> 00:42:21.929
Matt and I wrote a proposal. So, you know, it's

00:42:21.929 --> 00:42:24.570
something we definitely have up on our radars.

00:42:24.650 --> 00:42:27.789
Yeah, I think kind of my approach to get in this

00:42:27.789 --> 00:42:31.489
year was just kind of like rapid fire, almost

00:42:31.489 --> 00:42:34.630
like wide net. Like I put in a whole bunch and

00:42:34.630 --> 00:42:37.670
I just kind of saw what hits. So sometimes I

00:42:37.670 --> 00:42:40.090
think it's like you have to like diversify and

00:42:40.090 --> 00:42:42.309
wide net and then see where they can place you.

00:42:42.909 --> 00:42:45.210
Yeah. Interesting. Have you done a panel before?

00:42:45.809 --> 00:42:49.789
No, this is my first year. And then I put in

00:42:49.789 --> 00:42:52.670
and I not only got it, I got two. It was really

00:42:52.670 --> 00:42:56.250
funny. I felt like the bookend or the heels of

00:42:56.250 --> 00:42:58.730
the bread because I literally talked the first

00:42:58.730 --> 00:43:01.050
day, the first panel on Friday. Like I literally

00:43:01.050 --> 00:43:04.070
opened it and then I literally closed it. Like

00:43:04.070 --> 00:43:07.570
I was in the big room last panel on Sunday. So

00:43:07.570 --> 00:43:10.150
I literally was like sandwiched in the event.

00:43:10.190 --> 00:43:15.710
Yeah. I think that's fantastic. Yeah. Just happy

00:43:15.710 --> 00:43:19.449
to be invited. Yeah. What were the panel? What

00:43:19.449 --> 00:43:22.750
were your panels about? So the first one was

00:43:22.750 --> 00:43:26.530
kind of like an impromptu casual talk. I was

00:43:26.530 --> 00:43:29.309
with technically Dojo Studios. So there's a few

00:43:29.309 --> 00:43:33.190
session rooms. I got picked with Dojo. So 10

00:43:33.190 --> 00:43:36.210
in the morning on Friday the 13th. I mean, I

00:43:36.210 --> 00:43:39.110
think the line was still like. in registration,

00:43:39.409 --> 00:43:42.050
you know, but I still had a pretty good group.

00:43:42.070 --> 00:43:44.550
So I was really happy about that. I talked about

00:43:44.550 --> 00:43:49.050
the idea of movement and materiality within our

00:43:49.050 --> 00:43:52.590
evaluations of Godzilla. The goal was kind of

00:43:52.590 --> 00:43:56.409
to dismantle larger aesthetic ideas of like cheap

00:43:56.409 --> 00:44:00.829
or silly. And I evaluated movements within the

00:44:00.829 --> 00:44:04.210
franchise that like we, I really don't dive into

00:44:04.210 --> 00:44:07.619
like. how the suit is working to give us that

00:44:07.619 --> 00:44:10.219
moment. Like mostly a lot of it in Vera, like

00:44:10.219 --> 00:44:12.079
when he scratches his notes, you know? So it's

00:44:12.079 --> 00:44:14.079
like, how did the changes in the suit get us

00:44:14.079 --> 00:44:17.239
there? You know? So I really, I tackled it practically

00:44:17.239 --> 00:44:20.880
and theoretically. And the second talk was on

00:44:20.880 --> 00:44:25.039
Sunday and this room was beautiful. The don't

00:44:25.039 --> 00:44:27.519
like the session one room. They really redid

00:44:27.519 --> 00:44:29.019
it this year. To be honest with you, I was a

00:44:29.019 --> 00:44:30.960
little intimidated. I mean, you walk in as this

00:44:30.960 --> 00:44:34.659
big amphitheater with Gaborah next to you and

00:44:34.659 --> 00:44:36.860
these lights. I thought no one was going to come.

00:44:37.039 --> 00:44:39.639
And we had hundreds of people like we were really

00:44:39.639 --> 00:44:44.460
impressed. But I did me, my my husband, who,

00:44:44.599 --> 00:44:46.699
you know, he's a film enthusiast and he works

00:44:46.699 --> 00:44:49.539
in film. And my good friend, Olivia, who's a

00:44:49.539 --> 00:44:52.460
critical theorist. We kind of did like a critical

00:44:52.460 --> 00:44:55.619
engagement with Abira. And we just kind of looked

00:44:55.619 --> 00:44:58.239
for the nuances within ideas of like Japanese

00:44:58.239 --> 00:45:01.400
history and imperialism. Wow. Yeah. Could you

00:45:01.400 --> 00:45:03.860
elaborate a little bit more? Because our episode

00:45:03.860 --> 00:45:08.320
tonight is about Abira. Oh, perfect. It did win

00:45:08.320 --> 00:45:10.559
our poll. And I'll tell you, it was actually

00:45:10.559 --> 00:45:13.739
tied. It was tied. And I had to make the executive

00:45:13.739 --> 00:45:18.280
choice because it tied with Gappa the Trifibian

00:45:18.280 --> 00:45:22.539
Monster, which is a weird, obscure kaiju film.

00:45:23.000 --> 00:45:25.480
That I love and will definitely want to talk

00:45:25.480 --> 00:45:28.840
about on the show at some point. But at the end

00:45:28.840 --> 00:45:31.440
of the day, I was like, well, Beth just did a

00:45:31.440 --> 00:45:34.880
panel on Ibira. We have to go with the big G

00:45:34.880 --> 00:45:38.179
on that one. Yeah. Yeah. You know, the way we

00:45:38.179 --> 00:45:41.739
kind of approached the panel was. You know, we

00:45:41.739 --> 00:45:44.460
kind of just approached it as, like, people that

00:45:44.460 --> 00:45:46.980
were going to kind of go through the film and

00:45:46.980 --> 00:45:49.260
kind of look for moments to kind of evaluate

00:45:49.260 --> 00:45:52.980
and kind of see, maybe expand on in, like, a

00:45:52.980 --> 00:45:54.760
critical sense where we're kind of going to look

00:45:54.760 --> 00:45:58.179
at, like, the socio -political movement within,

00:45:58.239 --> 00:46:00.900
like, you know, the time that the film was made.

00:46:01.079 --> 00:46:03.699
And also, one thing that's really important to

00:46:03.699 --> 00:46:10.000
me is to really champion the biography of Jun

00:46:10.000 --> 00:46:13.440
Fukuda as a person. I think like, particularly

00:46:13.440 --> 00:46:15.940
within Godzilla fandom, we have, I mean, we have

00:46:15.940 --> 00:46:18.920
great work where we know about Honda's life,

00:46:19.099 --> 00:46:21.900
which really adds a lot of color to his films.

00:46:21.900 --> 00:46:25.940
We don't really know about Fukuda and, and there's

00:46:25.940 --> 00:46:29.239
just a lot of complexities there within Japanese

00:46:29.239 --> 00:46:32.900
imperialism. So really my goal was for not only

00:46:32.900 --> 00:46:35.639
people to kind of take a look and see Fukuda

00:46:35.639 --> 00:46:37.900
as kind of a person and the way he moved in his

00:46:37.900 --> 00:46:41.500
life, but also to kind of read outside the archive

00:46:41.500 --> 00:46:44.300
of the information that we have and then kind

00:46:44.300 --> 00:46:47.320
of apply it within the 1960s of Japan. So I think

00:46:47.320 --> 00:46:49.760
it was pretty successful. People seemed pretty

00:46:49.760 --> 00:46:53.860
receptive to our ideas. Did you talk to a lot

00:46:53.860 --> 00:46:56.480
of folks who this movie isn't their favorite,

00:46:56.559 --> 00:47:02.619
that maybe they appreciated your ability to...

00:47:02.920 --> 00:47:06.440
to put a different lens on it? You know, I think,

00:47:06.440 --> 00:47:08.860
you know, when we got in to do our Sunday panel

00:47:08.860 --> 00:47:10.900
at that point, we had to kind of go up on stage.

00:47:11.320 --> 00:47:14.179
We really talked longer. And at that point, GFest

00:47:14.179 --> 00:47:16.260
was ending. So we really didn't take a lot of,

00:47:16.260 --> 00:47:18.219
we didn't really didn't take questions. And we

00:47:18.219 --> 00:47:20.869
did have people come up to us after, but. Really,

00:47:20.929 --> 00:47:23.409
it was my first panel talking about like movement

00:47:23.409 --> 00:47:25.269
and materiality where I kind of went through

00:47:25.269 --> 00:47:28.170
the Showa era and a lot of, you know, like Godzilla

00:47:28.170 --> 00:47:30.329
doing the jig, Godzilla scratching his nose,

00:47:30.389 --> 00:47:32.329
these things that are panned. And I kind of put

00:47:32.329 --> 00:47:35.090
this lens of like, this is just evolution of

00:47:35.090 --> 00:47:37.889
a series. And let's take a look at the way like

00:47:37.889 --> 00:47:40.750
the costume changes. it was really in those moments

00:47:40.750 --> 00:47:43.050
where I got people that were kind of like, okay,

00:47:43.110 --> 00:47:45.170
maybe let's put a new light on the Showa era.

00:47:45.590 --> 00:47:47.550
So it wasn't really so much a beer. Like I said,

00:47:47.610 --> 00:47:49.730
Godzilla Fest was ending and by Sunday we were

00:47:49.730 --> 00:47:52.510
all exhausted. Everybody was exhausted by the

00:47:52.510 --> 00:47:54.989
end of it. So it was really in the beginning.

00:47:55.090 --> 00:47:58.250
I kind of got it. That topic of that first talk

00:47:58.250 --> 00:48:00.010
sounds so cool because I've had that experience

00:48:00.010 --> 00:48:02.409
watching some of the, you know, some of the Showa

00:48:02.409 --> 00:48:05.969
era, like. older kaiju films where some people

00:48:05.969 --> 00:48:07.769
are like ah it looks so cheap it looks silly

00:48:07.769 --> 00:48:10.289
and it's like well you're not totally wrong but

00:48:10.289 --> 00:48:12.150
you're kind of like here's another way to look

00:48:12.150 --> 00:48:14.070
at it sort of you know the color the movement

00:48:14.070 --> 00:48:16.789
the materiality like you said i mean i think

00:48:16.789 --> 00:48:18.469
it's so gratifying to look at these movies that

00:48:18.469 --> 00:48:20.610
way and it always kind of pains me a little bit

00:48:20.610 --> 00:48:22.150
when people are like oh it looks cheap it's a

00:48:22.150 --> 00:48:23.909
man in a suit it's like yeah that's why i love

00:48:23.909 --> 00:48:27.190
it you know yeah you know i um i posted all my

00:48:27.190 --> 00:48:30.289
panels on my youtube channel at godzilla gale

00:48:30.809 --> 00:48:33.150
so we can kind of see those but like that was

00:48:33.150 --> 00:48:35.670
kind of my point is like I didn't lie about the

00:48:35.670 --> 00:48:37.949
fact that like I'm coming here with an agenda

00:48:37.949 --> 00:48:40.610
because I don't like the critique of the guy

00:48:40.610 --> 00:48:42.489
in the suit and also that guy in the suit his

00:48:42.489 --> 00:48:44.690
name is Haru and he's like a badass so let's

00:48:44.690 --> 00:48:47.630
talk about these things he did in the suit like

00:48:47.630 --> 00:48:51.230
and what these suits kind of work the idea of

00:48:51.230 --> 00:48:54.489
taking that suit But jumping your full body with

00:48:54.489 --> 00:48:56.530
that tail, kicking your legs up and going into

00:48:56.530 --> 00:48:59.550
a pool is a feat of athleticism. And you can't

00:48:59.550 --> 00:49:03.809
argue anyways. Absolutely. Oh, no. Yeah. Haruo

00:49:03.809 --> 00:49:08.250
Nakajima, like he talks about the artistry and

00:49:08.250 --> 00:49:10.530
the craft of his performance. He's an actor and

00:49:10.530 --> 00:49:13.829
he, you know, the animals that he modeled Godzilla

00:49:13.829 --> 00:49:18.170
movement off of. And in Ebura, it's the first

00:49:18.170 --> 00:49:22.579
time that they filmed underwater. In the series

00:49:22.579 --> 00:49:26.739
and just reading Nakajima's account of being

00:49:26.739 --> 00:49:30.900
in the pool for eight plus hours a day. That's

00:49:30.900 --> 00:49:35.019
not come on. Who can scoff at that? I dare you.

00:49:36.440 --> 00:49:39.239
You know, I think particularly one thing within

00:49:39.239 --> 00:49:41.659
my aesthetic work and my scholarly work is like

00:49:41.659 --> 00:49:44.739
we tend to look at art as this like end product

00:49:44.739 --> 00:49:47.280
and give this judgment. But like there's so many

00:49:47.280 --> 00:49:50.699
moving parts that go in there. And the beauty

00:49:50.699 --> 00:49:53.300
of like Toho and Godzilla is that we get behind

00:49:53.300 --> 00:49:55.239
the scenes and we kind of start to look at these

00:49:55.239 --> 00:49:58.199
moving parts. It just kind of dismantles these

00:49:58.199 --> 00:50:02.619
like high art, fine art, blockbuster equivalents

00:50:02.619 --> 00:50:04.820
that we give to it. We kind of appreciate it

00:50:04.820 --> 00:50:08.199
a little bit more. Yeah. Yeah, that's what we

00:50:08.199 --> 00:50:10.699
try to do on Camp Kaiju, right, Matt? Absolutely,

00:50:10.980 --> 00:50:15.099
yeah. I mean, yeah, distinctions between highbrow

00:50:15.099 --> 00:50:19.199
and lowbrow and mainstream and on the fringes

00:50:19.199 --> 00:50:22.679
of film or whatever. Sometimes those boundaries

00:50:22.679 --> 00:50:25.139
don't really seem to help too much. So it's better

00:50:25.139 --> 00:50:26.960
to try to bring everything together a little

00:50:26.960 --> 00:50:31.059
bit in a place of love. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I agree.

00:50:31.820 --> 00:50:35.980
So Jun Fukuda. He directs Ebura Horror of the

00:50:35.980 --> 00:50:38.920
Deep. It's his first Godzilla movie in the series,

00:50:39.000 --> 00:50:42.800
right? And could you talk a little bit more about

00:50:42.800 --> 00:50:48.159
what he's bringing to his direction? Honestly,

00:50:48.920 --> 00:50:52.019
I don't know because I have books right now on

00:50:52.019 --> 00:50:55.659
my shelf about Honda. I'm looking at Jun Fukuda's

00:50:55.659 --> 00:50:59.119
Wikipedia page and there's nothing on it. Which,

00:50:59.219 --> 00:51:03.130
you know, for someone so... so high up there

00:51:03.130 --> 00:51:06.250
i mean he's he's he made godzilla what we know

00:51:06.250 --> 00:51:09.650
it today arguably as much as honda so yeah i'd

00:51:09.650 --> 00:51:11.530
love to hear you beth talk about fukuda a little

00:51:11.530 --> 00:51:15.489
bit you know think about like fukuda's work like

00:51:15.489 --> 00:51:19.289
you know for me like it's really his outside

00:51:19.289 --> 00:51:22.269
stuff like he did a lot of like spy parody films

00:51:22.269 --> 00:51:26.230
like 100 shot 100 killed like iron finger which

00:51:26.230 --> 00:51:29.849
is now in the criterion collection you know That

00:51:29.849 --> 00:51:32.389
is really, like, a showcase of what he wants

00:51:32.389 --> 00:51:36.369
to do. He really, like, figured out his niche,

00:51:36.570 --> 00:51:40.869
like, within movement. You know, all of his films

00:51:40.869 --> 00:51:42.989
are really these high action, high movement,

00:51:43.070 --> 00:51:46.829
high action. But also, like, he was, like, a

00:51:46.829 --> 00:51:49.590
journeyman director. Like, he kind of got, like,

00:51:49.630 --> 00:51:51.690
all of his films were meant to be kind of sequential.

00:51:52.950 --> 00:51:55.269
It's not something like Honda, who could do these

00:51:55.269 --> 00:51:57.989
one -offs. The moment he got Godzilla, he was

00:51:57.989 --> 00:52:01.030
meant to do franchise and sequence. So it gives

00:52:01.030 --> 00:52:04.929
a different evaluation. Secondly, he is now working

00:52:04.929 --> 00:52:08.210
within the medium of TV and all of these other

00:52:08.210 --> 00:52:13.849
ranges and films a way to do it. It's just a

00:52:13.849 --> 00:52:17.489
whole different technical application of making

00:52:17.489 --> 00:52:21.679
film. And really like him and because he was

00:52:21.679 --> 00:52:25.099
kind of a younger director, he was the best one

00:52:25.099 --> 00:52:28.619
to do it at that time. We kind of have this impression

00:52:28.619 --> 00:52:31.860
that like, oh, there's no money coming in and

00:52:31.860 --> 00:52:35.260
these are bad films. It's actually kind of like.

00:52:35.690 --> 00:52:39.050
the opposite scope they knew they could bank

00:52:39.050 --> 00:52:42.929
on fukuda to make films with less if anything

00:52:42.929 --> 00:52:45.710
they knew they had their trust in him to deliver

00:52:45.710 --> 00:52:49.250
the product because they knew his talent so that

00:52:49.250 --> 00:52:51.630
kind of flips the scripts of how we've been talking

00:52:51.630 --> 00:52:55.630
about the 1960s and he did particularly abira

00:52:55.630 --> 00:52:58.349
you know It was like originally supposed to be

00:52:58.349 --> 00:52:59.949
like three films. Like it was supposed to be

00:52:59.949 --> 00:53:02.010
like a Caruso film. Then it was supposed to be

00:53:02.010 --> 00:53:05.190
King Kong film. Then it became a Godzilla films.

00:53:05.429 --> 00:53:08.929
But even that like critique of it, that's just

00:53:08.929 --> 00:53:12.030
common in film. That's just how these things

00:53:12.030 --> 00:53:14.650
happen. It happens all the time. And I've read

00:53:14.650 --> 00:53:16.650
a lot of the literature on it. And that's like

00:53:16.650 --> 00:53:19.010
one critique that's given to it. But like that.

00:53:19.289 --> 00:53:21.210
also happened to honda and everybody else in

00:53:21.210 --> 00:53:22.989
the series so like why are you using it against

00:53:22.989 --> 00:53:25.929
him and then he did have that critique and he

00:53:25.929 --> 00:53:28.809
still made like a great piece of art you know

00:53:28.809 --> 00:53:32.070
he made something also too there's critiques

00:53:32.070 --> 00:53:34.610
like like my husband he works in film he said

00:53:34.610 --> 00:53:37.820
you know It takes a lot of talent to make cheap

00:53:37.820 --> 00:53:40.500
look that good. And he did it, you know, the

00:53:40.500 --> 00:53:42.980
idea of the lens flares when you're looking at

00:53:42.980 --> 00:53:45.619
the sunset, you know, that's a technique we are

00:53:45.619 --> 00:53:48.739
using now because we know it's in practical filmmaking.

00:53:49.260 --> 00:53:51.719
And then the idea of like color technique, you

00:53:51.719 --> 00:53:55.139
know, when you watch the film, it's mothra coated

00:53:55.139 --> 00:53:57.820
from the beginning. All the colors are mothra

00:53:57.820 --> 00:54:00.039
colors. So it actually leads you like a fairy

00:54:00.039 --> 00:54:02.659
tale until we get there because technically she's

00:54:02.659 --> 00:54:05.519
a savior. So there's all these little like narrative

00:54:05.519 --> 00:54:07.800
color tricks that he was doing that if you're

00:54:07.800 --> 00:54:09.260
only going to look at it, it's like cheap and

00:54:09.260 --> 00:54:13.420
silly. You're going to miss this. Yeah, I, I

00:54:13.420 --> 00:54:15.400
had, I mean, one thing that stands out to me

00:54:15.400 --> 00:54:19.860
about this movie are the colors, but I, I hadn't,

00:54:19.860 --> 00:54:22.460
I hadn't picked up on them tying those colors

00:54:22.460 --> 00:54:26.619
into Mothra's palette. Yeah. They're all in yellows

00:54:26.619 --> 00:54:29.260
and reds and oranges and black. I mean, these

00:54:29.260 --> 00:54:33.619
are. choices that Fukuda was made and it is this

00:54:33.619 --> 00:54:37.460
idea of like color narrative and uh so that's

00:54:37.460 --> 00:54:40.219
doing that additionally the idea of like editing

00:54:40.219 --> 00:54:42.679
you know the film actually starts off within

00:54:42.679 --> 00:54:45.760
like a fairy tale narrative because we start

00:54:45.760 --> 00:54:47.980
off with this idea of the brother at the shaman

00:54:47.980 --> 00:54:51.179
with the mother and you know the shaman it's

00:54:51.179 --> 00:54:53.900
actually this like kind of shinto religious ritual

00:54:53.900 --> 00:54:55.559
where you have to travel through the underworld

00:54:55.559 --> 00:54:58.590
to get this information from the spirits But

00:54:58.590 --> 00:55:00.929
now we have the boys traveling through the water

00:55:00.929 --> 00:55:02.989
to get there. So the film's actually set up like

00:55:02.989 --> 00:55:05.369
a fairy tale. And that's it. All of these little

00:55:05.369 --> 00:55:07.250
like narrative tricks that you don't realize

00:55:07.250 --> 00:55:09.849
that you're not seeing it from the beginning.

00:55:10.449 --> 00:55:13.190
You know, the idea, everybody, how do I say this?

00:55:13.630 --> 00:55:17.949
The idea of what we think like a good film, a

00:55:17.949 --> 00:55:21.010
political film tends to be kind of loud. And

00:55:21.010 --> 00:55:23.710
if anything, what Fukuda is doing is very nuanced

00:55:23.710 --> 00:55:26.110
and quiet. So you have to look for it. But once

00:55:26.110 --> 00:55:28.849
you see it, you realize how good of filmmaking

00:55:28.849 --> 00:55:31.849
it is. Yeah, you're talking about the Red Bamboo

00:55:31.849 --> 00:55:36.090
story? Yeah, you know, that's like another thing

00:55:36.090 --> 00:55:39.329
that like, you know, I kind of carefully brought

00:55:39.329 --> 00:55:41.309
up, you know, I don't ever want to yuck anybody's

00:55:41.309 --> 00:55:43.650
yum. You know, we're all fans of this thing.

00:55:43.710 --> 00:55:47.769
I don't ever want to criticize anybody. But like,

00:55:47.849 --> 00:55:50.760
you know, Fukuda made the choice. To put the

00:55:50.760 --> 00:55:54.340
red bamboo in there. Like basically. Gunning

00:55:54.340 --> 00:55:58.639
down the diasporic. Infinite. Like infinite island

00:55:58.639 --> 00:56:01.619
people. Like that's a choice he made as a director.

00:56:02.099 --> 00:56:04.239
And so that's like kind of something. That maybe

00:56:04.239 --> 00:56:07.199
we should think like. Within that 1960s moment.

00:56:07.280 --> 00:56:09.739
Also too like. There was like a conversation

00:56:09.739 --> 00:56:12.539
in Japan. About like the Ainu people. Because

00:56:12.539 --> 00:56:14.639
like the Japanese had been like. Kind of taking

00:56:14.639 --> 00:56:17.360
out their numbers. So and then with him. Growing

00:56:17.360 --> 00:56:20.519
up in like Manchuria. There's all these, like,

00:56:20.519 --> 00:56:24.599
ideas about, like, the way the people in the

00:56:24.599 --> 00:56:27.800
colonies have been treated. So, and he's also

00:56:27.800 --> 00:56:30.340
the only one to bring up these, like, ambiguous

00:56:30.340 --> 00:56:33.360
paramilitary groups, you know? There's kind of

00:56:33.360 --> 00:56:35.920
this idea, like, Shinichi Sekizawa, who is a

00:56:35.920 --> 00:56:38.780
screenwriter, you know, and maybe he would, like,

00:56:38.780 --> 00:56:40.639
not get the credit for it. But he also wrote

00:56:40.639 --> 00:56:43.679
Mothra. So that line doesn't work for me either,

00:56:43.760 --> 00:56:45.420
because Mothra is an incredibly political film.

00:56:46.019 --> 00:56:50.030
Yeah. Yeah. So it's, you know, under close evaluation,

00:56:50.250 --> 00:56:52.170
which is pretty much what we did on the panel.

00:56:52.230 --> 00:56:53.829
We just kind of went through and we pulled out

00:56:53.829 --> 00:56:56.250
scenes and we were like, OK, let's evaluate this.

00:56:56.570 --> 00:57:00.210
You kind of start to see this like subtle little

00:57:00.210 --> 00:57:03.349
political inferencing that maybe he's seeing

00:57:03.349 --> 00:57:06.050
within that moment. But you miss it as a viewer

00:57:06.050 --> 00:57:08.210
because you're so busy looking at jazz music

00:57:08.210 --> 00:57:10.190
and bright colors and the silliness, you know,

00:57:10.190 --> 00:57:12.750
on so many different levels. Like if you're not

00:57:12.750 --> 00:57:16.730
keyed into all the politics and. the subtle things

00:57:16.730 --> 00:57:18.969
you are talking about, and I agree with, you're

00:57:18.969 --> 00:57:21.070
still going to enjoy the movie because it's silly

00:57:21.070 --> 00:57:23.409
and goofy and it's just like a campy Godzilla

00:57:23.409 --> 00:57:26.510
movie. But if you want to look deeper into it,

00:57:26.550 --> 00:57:29.329
it can offer that too. I think it's so important.

00:57:29.449 --> 00:57:32.590
And horror and sci -fi just, I think, to go off

00:57:32.590 --> 00:57:35.710
a little bit, are the genres to explore really

00:57:35.710 --> 00:57:40.409
tough themes with all their metaphors. And you're

00:57:40.409 --> 00:57:43.170
right, you're soaking it up as a viewer and you

00:57:43.170 --> 00:57:45.239
don't even realize it. You just thought you were

00:57:45.239 --> 00:57:47.980
watching Godzilla rip apart a giant lobster.

00:57:48.679 --> 00:57:51.579
Yeah. And, you know, my my friend Olivia, who

00:57:51.579 --> 00:57:53.239
is on the panel with me, like she made a really

00:57:53.239 --> 00:57:55.599
good point. Like Godzilla doesn't even appear

00:57:55.599 --> 00:57:58.360
to like almost an hour in. It's an hour, 20 minutes

00:57:58.360 --> 00:58:01.239
movie. So it's like we actually like none of

00:58:01.239 --> 00:58:03.480
this movie is actually about Godzilla. And then

00:58:03.480 --> 00:58:05.559
actually the savior of our movie is Mothra. So

00:58:05.559 --> 00:58:09.260
like it's just as like one off film. Like actually,

00:58:09.280 --> 00:58:11.219
when you look at it, the movie is nothing about

00:58:11.219 --> 00:58:14.800
Godzilla at all. And then, too, like, the through

00:58:14.800 --> 00:58:17.019
threads of Fukuda's work, like, when you get

00:58:17.019 --> 00:58:19.860
to, like, Godzilla versus Mechagodzilla, that's

00:58:19.860 --> 00:58:22.840
about the Okinawans. And within the 1960s, the

00:58:22.840 --> 00:58:25.139
Okinawans were having a whole bunch of political,

00:58:25.260 --> 00:58:29.260
like, tensions within there with, like, the student

00:58:29.260 --> 00:58:32.559
massacre crisis and all of this, too. So, again,

00:58:32.699 --> 00:58:35.980
it's just while he did it in this very subtle,

00:58:36.059 --> 00:58:39.239
ambiguous way so it was never loud, there's still

00:58:39.239 --> 00:58:41.679
these political films that reflect the tensions

00:58:41.679 --> 00:58:44.150
of the time. Beth, I was going to ask you about

00:58:44.150 --> 00:58:47.550
how the Godzilla, you know, character in Emperor

00:58:47.550 --> 00:58:49.190
Horror of the Deep was originally supposed to

00:58:49.190 --> 00:58:51.250
be King Kong, which I just think is a fascinating

00:58:51.250 --> 00:58:53.489
backstory. And I was just curious about your

00:58:53.489 --> 00:58:56.849
thoughts on that. Do you think the movie improved

00:58:56.849 --> 00:59:00.030
by, you know, featuring Godzilla instead of King

00:59:00.030 --> 00:59:02.150
Kong? What are your thoughts about what it might

00:59:02.150 --> 00:59:04.869
have been like if King Kong had been in it? I'm

00:59:04.869 --> 00:59:06.769
curious what you think about that. You know,

00:59:06.809 --> 00:59:08.969
I don't know how I feel about that. Now I have

00:59:08.969 --> 00:59:12.070
to think about that. You know, I think. the idea

00:59:12.070 --> 00:59:15.949
of what like there's an idea of monster island

00:59:15.949 --> 00:59:20.090
versus skull island and like depending if you're

00:59:20.090 --> 00:59:23.110
in asia or the united states these are two very

00:59:23.110 --> 00:59:26.610
different application and anxieties you know

00:59:26.610 --> 00:59:29.250
i think if it was a kong movie we would look

00:59:29.250 --> 00:59:31.730
at something like they're like i don't know how

00:59:31.730 --> 00:59:33.269
they would claim it like if they're on monster

00:59:33.269 --> 00:59:35.530
island like a bureau we called it like leachy

00:59:35.530 --> 00:59:37.730
devil's island i don't know what they would have

00:59:37.730 --> 00:59:42.140
called it but it almost gives it like that exoticism

00:59:42.140 --> 00:59:45.900
voyeurism orientalizing you know where it's this

00:59:45.900 --> 00:59:50.559
kind of like othering thing and um like in abira

00:59:50.559 --> 00:59:54.679
while that element still is there it almost like

00:59:54.679 --> 00:59:57.719
again goes into this fairy tale nada like fairy

00:59:57.719 --> 01:00:01.699
tale like narrative a little bit because of the

01:00:01.699 --> 01:00:04.360
way it starts with like the psychic and the shaman

01:00:04.360 --> 01:00:08.269
so Yeah, you know, that's a great question for

01:00:08.269 --> 01:00:10.550
a parallel universe that I would love to answer.

01:00:10.650 --> 01:00:16.119
Like, let's sliding doors it. Yeah, that's fascinating.

01:00:16.340 --> 01:00:18.380
I think you bring up a really good point that

01:00:18.380 --> 01:00:20.659
if it had been King Kong on Skull Island, there

01:00:20.659 --> 01:00:23.059
would have been that othering element. I think

01:00:23.059 --> 01:00:27.039
what we see with the Infant Island natives in

01:00:27.039 --> 01:00:29.579
Ebra Horror of the Deep, they're kind of the

01:00:29.579 --> 01:00:31.639
protagonists of the film in a way. We're rooting

01:00:31.639 --> 01:00:33.940
for them to escape their oppression and their

01:00:33.940 --> 01:00:36.199
entrapment. And it's hard to imagine that a similar

01:00:36.199 --> 01:00:38.719
kind of effect would happen if King Kong would

01:00:38.719 --> 01:00:42.730
have been featured in the film. Yeah. And, you

01:00:42.730 --> 01:00:44.949
know, that's another thing that I think maybe

01:00:44.949 --> 01:00:46.949
next year when I put in for panels, if we do

01:00:46.949 --> 01:00:49.309
another critical one, you know, I think we really

01:00:49.309 --> 01:00:52.550
want to do like Fukuda's Mechagodzilla. Because,

01:00:52.630 --> 01:00:55.530
again, you see this follow through of Fukuda

01:00:55.530 --> 01:00:58.289
really giving agency and voice to these like

01:00:58.289 --> 01:01:01.769
colonized Pacific people, which is completely

01:01:01.769 --> 01:01:04.309
like kind of unique and like, in my opinion,

01:01:04.389 --> 01:01:08.559
kind of shows like. political ideologies maybe

01:01:08.559 --> 01:01:11.960
within the 1960s a little bit. Also, you know,

01:01:11.980 --> 01:01:16.679
China in 1960s had been having the culture revolution

01:01:16.679 --> 01:01:22.420
and Mao Zedong and the Red Guard. So we knew

01:01:22.420 --> 01:01:26.320
we kind of were reflecting these atomic anxieties

01:01:26.320 --> 01:01:30.800
in the 1960s. But it's not Japan in this moment.

01:01:30.900 --> 01:01:33.019
It's all these like others that kind of come

01:01:33.019 --> 01:01:35.599
up. So, yeah, if it had been Donkey Kong, we

01:01:35.599 --> 01:01:39.519
would have missed that. That is fascinating.

01:01:40.219 --> 01:01:42.539
Yeah. Also, too, we realized, too, going through

01:01:42.539 --> 01:01:45.820
it, France at that point in the 1960s had developed

01:01:45.820 --> 01:01:49.139
nuclear capabilities as well. So it's not just

01:01:49.139 --> 01:01:51.480
like, I mean, obviously China, who are their

01:01:51.480 --> 01:01:55.679
neighbors and longstanding political relationship

01:01:55.679 --> 01:01:58.519
with had developed these and successfully tested

01:01:58.519 --> 01:02:02.420
nuclear weapons. 1966, successfully tested. So

01:02:02.420 --> 01:02:04.559
like before they started this movie. they were

01:02:04.559 --> 01:02:06.960
having that nuclear conversation. But again,

01:02:07.039 --> 01:02:09.500
it was these other allies and non -allies in

01:02:09.500 --> 01:02:12.019
the war in Europe that were also all developing

01:02:12.019 --> 01:02:15.320
these nuclear capabilities. And like the last

01:02:15.320 --> 01:02:19.159
dialogue and conversation in Avira, they're talking

01:02:19.159 --> 01:02:21.199
about nuclear weapons. They're talking about

01:02:21.199 --> 01:02:23.940
these things. So it's like, okay, we can really

01:02:23.940 --> 01:02:26.360
pull this through now. This is becoming a little

01:02:26.360 --> 01:02:30.559
less obvious. Yeah, I appreciate that backstory.

01:02:31.710 --> 01:02:33.789
I mean, not backstory, but just background and

01:02:33.789 --> 01:02:37.289
cultural context to this film. I think that I

01:02:37.289 --> 01:02:40.489
think for me, that improves how I view this film

01:02:40.489 --> 01:02:44.750
tenfold. And that was just really, really my

01:02:44.750 --> 01:02:46.670
goal. I'm not here to change anybody's mind,

01:02:46.750 --> 01:02:49.429
but like. You know, we can look at the original

01:02:49.429 --> 01:02:51.809
film and other directors as these like heavy

01:02:51.809 --> 01:02:55.369
political films and we pull these other sociopolitical

01:02:55.369 --> 01:02:57.769
contacts like, let's do the same for Fukuda.

01:02:57.869 --> 01:03:00.849
Like a lot happened in the 1960s, guys. A lot

01:03:00.849 --> 01:03:03.389
happened. Let's go ahead and do this. Honestly,

01:03:03.530 --> 01:03:07.789
whatever view you may have of Ebera, Horror of

01:03:07.789 --> 01:03:10.349
the Deep, some of his movies are legitimately

01:03:10.349 --> 01:03:13.050
among my favorites. Megalon and Mechagodzilla

01:03:13.050 --> 01:03:16.860
and... I just want someone to write a book about

01:03:16.860 --> 01:03:20.059
Jun Fukuda. Beth? I'm working on it. That's really

01:03:20.059 --> 01:03:25.539
one of my goals. I'm fascinated by him. I think

01:03:25.539 --> 01:03:30.219
we have almost wrote his movies. They need an

01:03:30.219 --> 01:03:31.940
intervention. Let me just say it that way. I'm

01:03:31.940 --> 01:03:33.280
not going to say if it's right or wrong, but

01:03:33.280 --> 01:03:36.199
they're in dire need of an intervention along

01:03:36.199 --> 01:03:40.280
with the lines of war memory and what Japanese

01:03:40.280 --> 01:03:45.130
genre cinema was doing. I will do that for you,

01:03:45.150 --> 01:03:48.110
Vince. Don't worry. Don't do it for me. OK, perfect.

01:03:48.309 --> 01:03:52.670
I am but one person. I'll be one of the first

01:03:52.670 --> 01:03:54.550
readers. Do it for me as well. And everybody

01:03:54.550 --> 01:03:58.309
else. You have two readers who are going to preorder

01:03:58.309 --> 01:04:00.829
that book. OK, perfect. Thank you. Thank you.

01:04:01.269 --> 01:04:04.309
Oh, yeah. In the next 10 minutes, before we let

01:04:04.309 --> 01:04:06.949
you go, we got to hear about Godzilla Day. How

01:04:06.949 --> 01:04:10.329
was your weekend in Bloomington? It was crazy.

01:04:10.510 --> 01:04:14.019
We sold out. First off. I'm in a college town,

01:04:14.300 --> 01:04:17.760
so we lose half of our population when the kids

01:04:17.760 --> 01:04:22.599
go home. We sold out. We sold out over 600 tickets

01:04:22.599 --> 01:04:26.780
the first day. That's crazy. We only needed to

01:04:26.780 --> 01:04:29.900
sell out maybe like 200, 300 in a 600 -person

01:04:29.900 --> 01:04:33.940
theater. We sold out. And we sold out even before

01:04:33.940 --> 01:04:36.519
the doors opened, the line was around the block.

01:04:36.619 --> 01:04:40.849
We had to not let people in. Crazy. This is a

01:04:40.849 --> 01:04:45.710
crazy event for Bloomington, Indiana. And then

01:04:45.710 --> 01:04:47.949
the next two nights were just equally as successful.

01:04:48.170 --> 01:04:51.050
We did not sell out, but we still had packed

01:04:51.050 --> 01:04:54.489
houses with people wanting to do this. And it's

01:04:54.489 --> 01:04:58.880
been nothing but a positive reception here. local

01:04:58.880 --> 01:05:02.239
community facilities here like the public libraries

01:05:02.239 --> 01:05:05.039
have reached out so in august we're going to

01:05:05.039 --> 01:05:07.900
be starting programs to teach kaiju 101 through

01:05:07.900 --> 01:05:11.440
the public library yeah i have a kids um i'm

01:05:11.440 --> 01:05:14.380
right now getting a kids program i want to do

01:05:14.380 --> 01:05:18.639
like a rocky horror style like engagement for

01:05:18.639 --> 01:05:21.739
son of godzilla so we're right now in talks with

01:05:21.739 --> 01:05:24.800
the library to do that yeah i can see that that's

01:05:24.800 --> 01:05:28.559
fantastic congratulations oh my gosh Like whenever

01:05:28.559 --> 01:05:32.619
like baby Godzilla starts to like learn to like,

01:05:32.699 --> 01:05:35.019
you know, cause he blows these little like bubbles

01:05:35.019 --> 01:05:36.980
out. I want to give the kids bubbles so that

01:05:36.980 --> 01:05:39.639
they can do that. And all of these things, maybe

01:05:39.639 --> 01:05:42.460
they can throw cotton balls. Just I'll, you know,

01:05:42.460 --> 01:05:45.360
we'll figure it out as we go. I love it. That's

01:05:45.360 --> 01:05:48.840
such a cool idea. Yeah. You know, it's all been

01:05:48.840 --> 01:05:51.079
going pretty good. So we'll just see where it

01:05:51.079 --> 01:05:55.059
goes. So yeah, of course. I like some of Godzilla.

01:05:55.239 --> 01:05:57.760
Me and Matt covered that on our podcast a couple

01:05:57.760 --> 01:05:59.380
of years ago. It's another one that gets mixed

01:05:59.380 --> 01:06:03.199
reviews. I mean, I get it both ways. I just have

01:06:03.199 --> 01:06:05.320
a it's just holds a special place in my heart

01:06:05.320 --> 01:06:07.199
because I saw it young. Maybe I don't know. But

01:06:07.199 --> 01:06:09.219
but I think it's a great movie to watch with

01:06:09.219 --> 01:06:14.320
like a Rocky Horror style interactive thing.

01:06:14.420 --> 01:06:17.170
That's pretty cool. You know, I think The Son

01:06:17.170 --> 01:06:19.110
of Godzilla, again, is one of these movies that

01:06:19.110 --> 01:06:22.010
gets panned that, like, maybe deserves more appreciation.

01:06:22.070 --> 01:06:25.530
You know, kind of that sad ending where they're

01:06:25.530 --> 01:06:29.570
just kind of freezing to death or hibernation.

01:06:29.570 --> 01:06:33.130
That's kind of a rough scene. Yeah, it's very

01:06:33.130 --> 01:06:37.309
poignant. Yeah. Especially considering everything

01:06:37.309 --> 01:06:39.750
that comes beforehand, you know, it seems to

01:06:39.750 --> 01:06:41.809
be very light and family friendly. And suddenly

01:06:41.809 --> 01:06:44.309
there's this bleak ending. Really caught me off

01:06:44.309 --> 01:06:48.429
guard when I saw that. Do for a rewatch for me,

01:06:48.469 --> 01:06:51.989
I think. Yeah. And also that spider is awesome.

01:06:52.170 --> 01:06:54.590
You cannot tell me that that's bad special effects.

01:06:54.730 --> 01:06:57.010
That spider coming out of the ground and everything.

01:06:57.389 --> 01:07:03.170
Awesome. Awesome. It's so fun. Yeah. That and

01:07:03.170 --> 01:07:06.670
Eberra, just a great double feature there. Got

01:07:06.670 --> 01:07:12.030
the island theme and all these kaiju that don't

01:07:12.030 --> 01:07:14.750
really exist outside of those two movies. What

01:07:14.750 --> 01:07:17.590
movies did you screen this past year for Godzilla

01:07:17.590 --> 01:07:20.800
Days? Well, we did the first like Honda 1954

01:07:20.800 --> 01:07:24.079
in the original cut. And then it was really great

01:07:24.079 --> 01:07:26.719
because we had a post film panel and I had two

01:07:26.719 --> 01:07:29.599
scholars of East Asian study there. So we were

01:07:29.599 --> 01:07:32.119
able to really give kind of a really great scholarly

01:07:32.119 --> 01:07:35.480
background in Q &A. And then we did All Monsters

01:07:35.480 --> 01:07:37.840
Attack because we also made sure that we had

01:07:37.840 --> 01:07:41.119
parents with kids. So it was really amazing because

01:07:41.119 --> 01:07:43.719
actually the theater was full of kids. So and

01:07:43.719 --> 01:07:46.869
they loved every second of it, you know. And

01:07:46.869 --> 01:07:48.329
it's really funny because, you know, kids, they

01:07:48.329 --> 01:07:50.130
don't really sit well through movies, but so

01:07:50.130 --> 01:07:52.610
many of them were so engaged and it didn't even

01:07:52.610 --> 01:07:54.929
matter. I was there with my friend Olivia and

01:07:54.929 --> 01:07:57.750
she has a three and five year old and just watching

01:07:57.750 --> 01:08:00.070
them, you know, just be like, use your breath

01:08:00.070 --> 01:08:02.130
Godzilla and all of it. And it was just like

01:08:02.130 --> 01:08:04.329
a really, even the adults were really happy to

01:08:04.329 --> 01:08:07.280
be there to watch kids watch this movie. And

01:08:07.280 --> 01:08:10.599
then Sunday was, we got weird and we did Godzilla

01:08:10.599 --> 01:08:15.199
versus Hedera. So, and everybody, a rowdy drunk

01:08:15.199 --> 01:08:18.220
crowd. I mean, people were screaming for this

01:08:18.220 --> 01:08:21.079
film. It was a good night. Incredible. That sounds

01:08:21.079 --> 01:08:25.420
so fun. Wow. Yeah. So I know, you know, the Buzz

01:08:25.420 --> 01:08:29.039
Kirk has, we finished up and, you know, the director

01:08:29.039 --> 01:08:30.939
has already kind of said, let's talk again in

01:08:30.939 --> 01:08:35.409
August. I already am making plans. I will let

01:08:35.409 --> 01:08:38.850
Camp Kaiju know exactly what the tea will be

01:08:38.850 --> 01:08:42.409
when we know and we start planning again. Well,

01:08:42.489 --> 01:08:45.869
thank you for that. We're honored. And where

01:08:45.869 --> 01:08:49.329
can do you have a like a social media place people

01:08:49.329 --> 01:08:53.350
can go to learn more about? My Insta is Godzilla

01:08:53.350 --> 01:08:58.149
in Bloomington. And then my YouTube channel is

01:08:58.149 --> 01:09:01.060
at Godzilla Gale. So you can kind of see a few

01:09:01.060 --> 01:09:04.460
of my recent public speaking events and the Godzilla

01:09:04.460 --> 01:09:08.319
Fest panels. Yeah. Well, we'll put those links

01:09:08.319 --> 01:09:11.279
in our show notes. We can't wait to see what's

01:09:11.279 --> 01:09:14.359
next. Me neither. I don't know. I got to get

01:09:14.359 --> 01:09:16.460
through the summer. I have another speaking event

01:09:16.460 --> 01:09:20.319
in about, oh shit, in less than two weeks. I

01:09:20.319 --> 01:09:22.680
got to prepare for. I don't know if you guys

01:09:22.680 --> 01:09:27.520
have Nerd Night in Minnesota. no so it's this

01:09:27.520 --> 01:09:31.600
if you do you should do this so basically it's

01:09:31.600 --> 01:09:34.899
this like local like what they do is they go

01:09:34.899 --> 01:09:38.500
to bars and basically you register and it's like

01:09:38.500 --> 01:09:40.920
people talking with powerpoint presentations

01:09:40.920 --> 01:09:44.460
for 15 minutes then like q a it's basically like

01:09:44.460 --> 01:09:46.800
powerpoints and beer so i'll be talking about

01:09:46.800 --> 01:09:50.199
polgasari so but i know nerd nights are all over

01:09:50.199 --> 01:09:53.020
the country so if they have them in in minnesota

01:09:53.020 --> 01:09:55.500
there you should definitely do one So I'm doing

01:09:55.500 --> 01:09:58.000
that. So I'll have that posted. I got to get

01:09:58.000 --> 01:10:00.739
that. Oh, I got to get that presentation going

01:10:00.739 --> 01:10:04.659
soon here. That's really cool. I've been now

01:10:04.659 --> 01:10:07.460
starting to watch and get into North Korean kaiju

01:10:07.460 --> 01:10:11.100
films and that. That's a lot. You got to do your

01:10:11.100 --> 01:10:13.260
homework. That's the best thing about being an

01:10:13.260 --> 01:10:16.979
academic type of person. We love the research.

01:10:19.130 --> 01:10:21.710
Lots of political subtext on that topic for sure.

01:10:21.949 --> 01:10:24.289
Oh my God. I watched it yesterday and like within

01:10:24.289 --> 01:10:26.270
the credits, there was a whole bunch of North

01:10:26.270 --> 01:10:29.149
Korean propaganda. I was like, how do I talk

01:10:29.149 --> 01:10:31.949
about this film in 15 minutes is the next question.

01:10:33.710 --> 01:10:36.630
It'll be a speed round. Yeah, it really will.

01:10:36.869 --> 01:10:40.130
I mean, oh, the Kaiju in the beginning is like

01:10:40.130 --> 01:10:43.409
a mix between baby Godzilla and the little demons

01:10:43.409 --> 01:10:46.350
from the gate. It's so weird. It's like uncanny,

01:10:46.390 --> 01:10:50.710
you know? I am looking up Nerd Night in Minnesota

01:10:50.710 --> 01:10:53.750
as soon as I possibly can. Yeah, you know, it's

01:10:53.750 --> 01:10:56.729
a great they're kind of like a grassroots organization

01:10:56.729 --> 01:11:00.029
and they really put great speakers on. So I'm

01:11:00.029 --> 01:11:02.229
again, I'm really honored to be speaking and

01:11:02.229 --> 01:11:04.409
being the Godzilla expert of doing this North

01:11:04.409 --> 01:11:09.470
Korean kaiju film. Heck yeah. Well, Beth, we're

01:11:09.470 --> 01:11:12.050
going to get back to talking about Abira here.

01:11:12.289 --> 01:11:14.970
But really, thank you so much for your insights,

01:11:15.069 --> 01:11:19.090
for your fandom. for joining us here on Camp

01:11:19.090 --> 01:11:22.229
Kaiju. We really appreciate it. Thank you. Thank

01:11:22.229 --> 01:11:25.329
you guys for having me. Thank you, Beth. Nice

01:11:25.329 --> 01:11:27.210
to meet you. All right. Nice to meet you. Your

01:11:27.210 --> 01:11:29.529
cat is very cute in the background. Thank you.

01:11:29.569 --> 01:11:31.890
He likes to perch up there during our recordings.

01:11:32.649 --> 01:11:34.949
A little distracting to me sometimes. Hopefully

01:11:34.949 --> 01:11:37.590
not to anybody else. We all have animal companions

01:11:37.590 --> 01:11:41.689
for the show. All right, Beth. Have a good night.

01:11:42.149 --> 01:11:44.770
We'll catch up later. Bye -bye. Thanks again.

01:11:44.850 --> 01:11:50.890
Bye. Godzilla. Terror monster of the motion picture

01:11:50.890 --> 01:11:57.350
screen meets The Thing. Godzilla versus The Thing.

01:11:57.729 --> 01:12:01.449
Innocent looking, but so feared, pagan man worshipped

01:12:01.449 --> 01:12:11.350
it. See the battle of gigantic forces spreading

01:12:11.350 --> 01:12:22.590
terror across the world. Can man's inventions

01:12:22.590 --> 01:12:38.789
conquer them? Godzilla versus the theme. Now,

01:12:39.029 --> 01:12:42.109
what are some themes? We've already talked about

01:12:42.109 --> 01:12:45.949
many of them. And with Beth's truly wonderful

01:12:45.949 --> 01:12:49.270
insights, can think about some other ones, maybe

01:12:49.270 --> 01:12:52.109
a little deeper. than I was going to. I won't

01:12:52.109 --> 01:12:57.909
speak for you. I did think about the idea of

01:12:57.909 --> 01:13:01.029
nuclear weapons falling in the hands of terrorists.

01:13:02.189 --> 01:13:04.689
I think that is a legitimate fear we still talk

01:13:04.689 --> 01:13:08.430
about today with whatever hostilities we feel

01:13:08.430 --> 01:13:13.069
towards Iran, for example, or other states that

01:13:13.069 --> 01:13:17.430
the fear is that they will propagate these weapons

01:13:17.430 --> 01:13:24.840
to inflict So I take that very seriously. I will

01:13:24.840 --> 01:13:27.819
note, however, this theme is literally brought

01:13:27.819 --> 01:13:30.560
up in the last shot of the film. And somebody

01:13:30.560 --> 01:13:33.859
literally says, wow, man, you can't get atomic

01:13:33.859 --> 01:13:36.600
weapons in the hands of terrorists. And another

01:13:36.600 --> 01:13:40.180
character genuinely dismisses that and says,

01:13:40.199 --> 01:13:42.960
nah, let's just keep sailing or something. I'm

01:13:42.960 --> 01:13:45.289
paraphrasing. But do you remember that? Yeah.

01:13:45.329 --> 01:13:48.569
Yeah. Yeah. I think like, you know, the one character

01:13:48.569 --> 01:13:50.430
is like, you know, nuclear weapons should not

01:13:50.430 --> 01:13:53.090
be in the hands of terrorists. Hopefully we can

01:13:53.090 --> 01:13:55.289
live in a world where like nobody ever uses these

01:13:55.289 --> 01:13:56.869
weapons. And then I think the other guy says

01:13:56.869 --> 01:13:58.970
like, all right, is your lecture over professor?

01:13:59.170 --> 01:14:00.670
Let's just get on with it. It's like something

01:14:00.670 --> 01:14:04.109
like that, you know? And I, I would be real.

01:14:04.189 --> 01:14:09.250
I, I really hated that, that the movie dismissed

01:14:09.250 --> 01:14:14.329
its own theme. Right. It's like, then. then why

01:14:14.329 --> 01:14:19.390
if you don't care why do i care yeah i i felt

01:14:19.390 --> 01:14:21.649
the same way like it i feel like you should either

01:14:21.649 --> 01:14:24.550
not have that line of dialogue at all and like

01:14:24.550 --> 01:14:26.590
because you know earlier in the movie there is

01:14:26.590 --> 01:14:28.210
a very brief moment where they're in the red

01:14:28.210 --> 01:14:31.829
bamboo like lair headquarters whatever and there's

01:14:31.829 --> 01:14:34.750
like a machine for creating like heavy water

01:14:34.750 --> 01:14:36.529
which i guess is a way to create like atomic

01:14:36.529 --> 01:14:39.989
weaponry through water yeah but that's similarly

01:14:39.989 --> 01:14:43.510
that's like one line of dialogue about that and

01:14:43.510 --> 01:14:45.430
then they like move on and they never really

01:14:45.430 --> 01:14:47.750
mention it again until that the very last scene

01:14:47.750 --> 01:14:49.609
that you're talking about and it's like if this

01:14:49.609 --> 01:14:51.590
is going to be the main theme of your movie you

01:14:51.590 --> 01:14:55.510
know on one hand i like subtlety i like not hammering

01:14:55.510 --> 01:14:59.090
the point home oh but then can you know paradoxically

01:14:59.090 --> 01:15:00.930
it does hammer the point home at the end through

01:15:00.930 --> 01:15:03.850
like a very lazy line of dialogue so i don't

01:15:03.850 --> 01:15:04.930
know if that's going to be the theme of your

01:15:04.930 --> 01:15:06.489
movie i think you have to do it more carefully

01:15:06.489 --> 01:15:11.180
than that either more carefully or Very heavy

01:15:11.180 --> 01:15:13.460
handed. And and I don't think it did either.

01:15:14.060 --> 01:15:17.640
Right. In accordance with you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

01:15:17.739 --> 01:15:20.340
And, you know, I mean, in a way, it kind of seems

01:15:20.340 --> 01:15:22.960
like a joke about how how many Godzilla movies

01:15:22.960 --> 01:15:25.319
have this theme of like atomic weaponry in the

01:15:25.319 --> 01:15:27.739
nuclear age and like because it goes back to

01:15:27.739 --> 01:15:29.619
the original Godzilla and it's in so many of

01:15:29.619 --> 01:15:31.920
them, you know? Well, that's true. Maybe I'm

01:15:31.920 --> 01:15:36.420
reading it wrong. Maybe it is a jab at its own.

01:15:37.620 --> 01:15:40.939
at its own series. That could be the case. And

01:15:40.939 --> 01:15:43.159
it's Sakizawa, if he wrote that line, you know,

01:15:43.159 --> 01:15:46.439
he had a flair for that kind of like political,

01:15:46.539 --> 01:15:50.279
not political, parody. Yeah. In his films, the

01:15:50.279 --> 01:15:54.079
satire. So this could be a satire, a meta satire

01:15:54.079 --> 01:15:58.939
of its own film. It could be. It's very hard

01:15:58.939 --> 01:16:01.699
to tell though. I mean, you know, at the same

01:16:01.699 --> 01:16:04.310
time. There's like the jokey thing where Godzilla

01:16:04.310 --> 01:16:06.189
touches his nose, which I think is something

01:16:06.189 --> 01:16:09.369
that like a popular TV character did on a TV

01:16:09.369 --> 01:16:10.789
show at the time. I can't remember which one.

01:16:11.029 --> 01:16:13.630
And then in Son of Godzilla, also by Jun Fukuda

01:16:13.630 --> 01:16:16.329
the next year, there's like the funny little

01:16:16.329 --> 01:16:19.130
jig slash dance that Godzilla does. And it's

01:16:19.130 --> 01:16:21.649
like, that's just a strange direction that the

01:16:21.649 --> 01:16:24.029
series goes in. And like, of course it comes

01:16:24.029 --> 01:16:26.289
down to personal subjective opinion. It's not.

01:16:26.590 --> 01:16:28.270
the direction that I would like the series to

01:16:28.270 --> 01:16:30.989
go in, but like, you know, what is it? Is it

01:16:30.989 --> 01:16:33.510
like a jokey family friendly movie? Is it like

01:16:33.510 --> 01:16:35.890
a meta self -reflexive commentary? Like you said,

01:16:35.949 --> 01:16:38.550
is it meant in all seriousness about like the

01:16:38.550 --> 01:16:40.770
proliferation of digital or sorry, nuclear weapons?

01:16:41.210 --> 01:16:43.130
It's really hard to know what this movie is going

01:16:43.130 --> 01:16:49.489
for. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I, I, yeah, I'm going

01:16:49.489 --> 01:16:51.050
to leave it at that. You know, it is, I think

01:16:51.050 --> 01:16:54.060
we've said what we said about that theme. Because,

01:16:54.140 --> 01:16:56.220
you know, yeah, I'll talk more about this stuff

01:16:56.220 --> 01:16:59.800
in my breakdown, I guess. Yeah. Yeah. Anything

01:16:59.800 --> 01:17:02.300
else you want to talk about? You know, I did

01:17:02.300 --> 01:17:05.340
like what Beth said before about like the difference

01:17:05.340 --> 01:17:07.720
between King Kong and Godzilla, those characters,

01:17:07.739 --> 01:17:09.779
and maybe like the different ways that we perceive

01:17:09.779 --> 01:17:12.840
native or indigenous characters in those two

01:17:12.840 --> 01:17:15.520
different movies or franchises or whatever. That

01:17:15.520 --> 01:17:17.399
is kind of interesting to me. And I do think

01:17:17.399 --> 01:17:22.090
like the infant island natives being. enslaved

01:17:22.090 --> 01:17:25.289
by the Red Bamboo. And then, you know, some of

01:17:25.289 --> 01:17:27.770
the protagonists in Eberra Horror of the Deep

01:17:27.770 --> 01:17:32.090
kind of join the Infant Island native crew. They're

01:17:32.090 --> 01:17:34.949
sort of through a really convoluted series of

01:17:34.949 --> 01:17:38.350
events that I won't try to explain. We're kind

01:17:38.350 --> 01:17:41.609
of rooting for those characters to succeed and

01:17:41.609 --> 01:17:44.590
escape for that reason. And I guess I kind of

01:17:44.590 --> 01:17:46.550
appreciated that. I do think maybe there's some

01:17:46.550 --> 01:17:49.930
subtext about... And I don't know, unfortunately,

01:17:50.109 --> 01:17:52.689
I don't know Japanese history enough to like

01:17:52.689 --> 01:17:54.890
know what was going on in the 60s in terms of,

01:17:54.890 --> 01:17:59.689
you know, colonization, oppression of like populations

01:17:59.689 --> 01:18:02.649
in other countries that Japan might have occupied

01:18:02.649 --> 01:18:04.890
in the past. I wish I knew a little bit more

01:18:04.890 --> 01:18:08.890
about that. But, you know, it's a powerful subtext.

01:18:08.989 --> 01:18:11.130
I think that subplot does kind of work for me

01:18:11.130 --> 01:18:13.409
in Abra Horror of the Deep. But again, it does

01:18:13.409 --> 01:18:15.970
kind of seem tossed off and like not really very

01:18:15.970 --> 01:18:18.869
well. I guess there's not a lot of substance

01:18:18.869 --> 01:18:21.369
to it, but I did like that element of the film.

01:18:21.649 --> 01:18:23.949
Yeah. And I do think it's, it is interesting

01:18:23.949 --> 01:18:30.270
to note Fukuda is a Chinese born director, which

01:18:30.270 --> 01:18:33.529
at the time of his birth in Manchuria, it was

01:18:33.529 --> 01:18:36.229
a Japanese colony. He was a Japanese subject.

01:18:37.149 --> 01:18:42.189
So I think that is a really powerful lens that

01:18:42.189 --> 01:18:45.840
is in probably inherit. I won't speak to his

01:18:45.840 --> 01:18:49.420
experience, obviously, but I do believe that

01:18:49.420 --> 01:18:54.279
we all carry things in us as artists that come

01:18:54.279 --> 01:18:58.020
out whether we want it to or not, that inform

01:18:58.020 --> 01:19:01.520
our art whether we want it to or not. Yeah. Yeah.

01:19:02.180 --> 01:19:05.239
Definitely, yeah. And I really hope Beth writes

01:19:05.239 --> 01:19:07.960
that book on Jun Fukuda because it sounds fascinating.

01:19:08.079 --> 01:19:12.359
And perhaps my opinion of this film will improve

01:19:12.359 --> 01:19:16.060
over time. If she does or if I, you know, I can

01:19:16.060 --> 01:19:18.000
take it on myself to learn more as well. So,

01:19:18.000 --> 01:19:20.460
but yeah, I do think there's some subtext there

01:19:20.460 --> 01:19:23.720
that maybe I'm not totally picking up on. Yeah.

01:19:23.739 --> 01:19:26.699
But whether or not it's executed is a different

01:19:26.699 --> 01:19:29.279
question, right? Indeed. Indeed. Like it may

01:19:29.279 --> 01:19:33.140
be there, but if the filmmaker's making it difficult

01:19:33.140 --> 01:19:38.000
for us to pull those threads, well, you know,

01:19:38.000 --> 01:19:41.760
I can't forgive that either. Right. Yeah, that's

01:19:41.760 --> 01:19:44.659
my thought too. And, you know, some other kaiju

01:19:44.659 --> 01:19:46.600
movies do that more successfully, I think. It's

01:19:46.600 --> 01:19:49.060
fairly clear what the political takeaway is in

01:19:49.060 --> 01:19:50.819
a lot of different kaiju movies, you know? And

01:19:50.819 --> 01:19:52.699
I think Fukuda does it better in other movies.

01:19:52.960 --> 01:19:56.180
We haven't talked about Godzilla versus Mechagodzilla,

01:19:56.359 --> 01:20:00.859
but like Beth said, the take on the Okinawans

01:20:00.859 --> 01:20:03.500
in that movie and King Caesar being a protector

01:20:03.500 --> 01:20:07.880
of their island nation, I think Fukuda does what

01:20:07.880 --> 01:20:10.600
he's doing in Ebera. A hundred times better in

01:20:10.600 --> 01:20:13.520
that movie. I don't know why we have to, maybe

01:20:13.520 --> 01:20:16.279
we'll have to talk about Mechagodzilla, but I

01:20:16.279 --> 01:20:20.680
think Bakuda himself does improve on this in

01:20:20.680 --> 01:20:23.699
subsequent films. Well, let's get to our individual

01:20:23.699 --> 01:20:27.020
breakdowns. You know, let's just spend a brief

01:20:27.020 --> 01:20:29.279
amount of time on this and then we can get to

01:20:29.279 --> 01:20:33.760
our announcements. Yeah. Preview of upcoming

01:20:33.760 --> 01:20:37.960
titles. Can't wait. Yeah. Okay. I can go first.

01:20:38.260 --> 01:20:41.899
Okay. What I like. Oh, yeah. So the good, the

01:20:41.899 --> 01:20:44.300
bad and the campy for new time listeners, longtime

01:20:44.300 --> 01:20:46.199
listeners. This is where me and Matt pretty much

01:20:46.199 --> 01:20:48.479
get into our actual personal reviews of the film.

01:20:49.180 --> 01:20:51.880
What did I like about this movie? Actually, quite

01:20:51.880 --> 01:20:56.079
a bit. I love the score. I do like the jazzy.

01:20:56.420 --> 01:20:58.560
I think it gives it like a real beach theme.

01:20:59.020 --> 01:21:02.939
Like this is a summer movie to me. This is great.

01:21:03.039 --> 01:21:07.460
It sets the mood. I think. Oh, the youth. This

01:21:07.460 --> 01:21:09.319
is a theme we didn't talk on, but it's like the

01:21:09.319 --> 01:21:11.479
movie is actually very youth centric with the

01:21:11.479 --> 01:21:13.500
dance marathon. But our protagonists are all

01:21:13.500 --> 01:21:16.659
very young, which I think is new to this series.

01:21:17.300 --> 01:21:20.699
I love the photography of the ocean in the beginning

01:21:20.699 --> 01:21:22.520
of this movie when they're sailing the yacht

01:21:22.520 --> 01:21:25.979
and there's some beautiful sunsets. Really nice.

01:21:25.979 --> 01:21:29.100
Just establishing shots of the ocean and the

01:21:29.100 --> 01:21:35.409
horizon. I actually love Abira in. his appearance

01:21:35.409 --> 01:21:37.850
when that monster first appears it's a dark and

01:21:37.850 --> 01:21:40.649
stormy night and you just see this claw come

01:21:40.649 --> 01:21:43.350
out of the ocean that to me is very menacing

01:21:43.350 --> 01:21:46.109
there's a lot of atmosphere with those shots

01:21:46.109 --> 01:21:49.970
the rest of the creature is kind of goofy to

01:21:49.970 --> 01:21:53.430
me but the claw just the one claw you're thinking

01:21:53.430 --> 01:21:56.329
what is underneath the waves if i'm seeing this

01:21:56.329 --> 01:22:00.590
claw so that's cool i always love mothra i don't

01:22:00.590 --> 01:22:02.869
think mothra does too much in this movie unfortunately

01:22:02.869 --> 01:22:06.899
but i do Always appreciate a Mothra movie. When

01:22:06.899 --> 01:22:11.539
Eber eats those two guys, the infant Islanders,

01:22:11.560 --> 01:22:14.880
that was horrifying. That was a moment of, of,

01:22:14.939 --> 01:22:18.439
of real horror. Cause it's, yeah, just the way

01:22:18.439 --> 01:22:21.460
the effects are. It was like really kind of gruesome,

01:22:21.500 --> 01:22:26.279
shocking. And yeah, there you go. Those are my

01:22:26.279 --> 01:22:29.760
good notes for a beer. Well, I don't want to

01:22:29.760 --> 01:22:31.479
just echo everything that you just said, but

01:22:31.479 --> 01:22:33.859
that's, that's all my good stuff as well. It

01:22:33.859 --> 01:22:35.880
does look really great. I love the colors in

01:22:35.880 --> 01:22:38.800
this movie. You know, not just the ocean, but

01:22:38.800 --> 01:22:41.079
also some of the, like, sunsets or, like, the

01:22:41.079 --> 01:22:44.579
sun maybe rising or setting over the ocean. Pointless

01:22:44.579 --> 01:22:47.500
thing to say, sorry. And, like, just some of

01:22:47.500 --> 01:22:49.520
the, like, artificial sets look really great

01:22:49.520 --> 01:22:52.180
in the kind of, like, really eye -popping, like,

01:22:52.319 --> 01:22:54.960
you know, kind of cartoonish, very entertaining

01:22:54.960 --> 01:22:57.520
style of this time. Really liked all that stuff.

01:22:58.479 --> 01:23:00.939
Eber's first appearance, again, to echo what

01:23:00.939 --> 01:23:04.520
you said, is really surprising. The music comes

01:23:04.520 --> 01:23:07.220
out like it's it's not what you expect, but it

01:23:07.220 --> 01:23:09.579
fits the scene perfectly. It's kind of like silly

01:23:09.579 --> 01:23:12.840
and scary at the same time. I did really like

01:23:12.840 --> 01:23:14.899
the scene where a bunch of I know I brought this

01:23:14.899 --> 01:23:16.479
up before, but like a bunch of fighter pilots

01:23:16.479 --> 01:23:18.920
are like attacking Godzilla. And he's just like

01:23:18.920 --> 01:23:21.340
grabbing at the planes and like blowing them

01:23:21.340 --> 01:23:23.220
up, smashing them together and everything. That's

01:23:23.220 --> 01:23:25.859
a really exciting scene. I love that part. Yeah,

01:23:26.000 --> 01:23:28.420
that might be about it for me, though. All right.

01:23:28.840 --> 01:23:32.279
The quote bad for this movie. I'm just going

01:23:32.279 --> 01:23:35.399
to pinpoint a few things here. For a very short

01:23:35.399 --> 01:23:38.500
movie, I feel like there's a short runtime. However,

01:23:38.680 --> 01:23:40.720
I felt like this movie got a little long in the

01:23:40.720 --> 01:23:44.560
tooth at some point. Godzilla does take an hour

01:23:44.560 --> 01:23:47.039
to show up, and even then when he shows up, he's

01:23:47.039 --> 01:23:51.520
sleeping in a cave, but it just looks like somebody

01:23:51.520 --> 01:23:54.760
draped the suit over a bunch of rocks. It doesn't

01:23:54.760 --> 01:23:58.310
look good. For the King of the Monsters. And

01:23:58.310 --> 01:24:01.390
I know it's supposed to be kind of like, oh,

01:24:01.430 --> 01:24:03.829
Godzilla's sleeping. Better not wake him up.

01:24:04.390 --> 01:24:09.390
I'm like, is he sleeping or is that guy dead?

01:24:09.590 --> 01:24:13.789
Like, you need to check on him. Yeah. What's

01:24:13.789 --> 01:24:16.989
going on here? You know, I think the Red Bamboo,

01:24:17.069 --> 01:24:19.289
there's so much potential. Maybe that's the word

01:24:19.289 --> 01:24:21.050
of the episode. There's so much potential for

01:24:21.050 --> 01:24:25.239
like a James Bond type of organization. Because

01:24:25.239 --> 01:24:28.100
remember, spy films were super popular at this

01:24:28.100 --> 01:24:30.779
time because of James Bond. So you could have

01:24:30.779 --> 01:24:34.899
a real specter organization. But it just kind

01:24:34.899 --> 01:24:37.539
of served to move the story along, I feel like.

01:24:37.939 --> 01:24:42.460
And I didn't really get any real espionage flair

01:24:42.460 --> 01:24:47.720
that I really wanted with this movie. Yeah. What

01:24:47.720 --> 01:24:51.279
say you? Yeah, I agree with that too. I definitely

01:24:51.279 --> 01:24:54.460
think this is a movie of missed potential. To

01:24:54.460 --> 01:24:57.319
use the Red Bamboo as an example, if we knew

01:24:57.319 --> 01:24:59.579
more about what that organization did, maybe

01:24:59.579 --> 01:25:02.340
this is a little bit too James Bond, revealing

01:25:02.340 --> 01:25:05.239
your grand plan to everybody, but if we knew

01:25:05.239 --> 01:25:07.739
what they were trying to do, then maybe we would

01:25:07.739 --> 01:25:09.439
understand the political commentary a little

01:25:09.439 --> 01:25:11.960
bit more. As it is, it's just like, there are

01:25:11.960 --> 01:25:14.720
men with guns who enslave people, and that's

01:25:14.720 --> 01:25:17.439
all we know about them. Yeah, we know nothing

01:25:17.439 --> 01:25:20.279
about them. And of course, Eberra, the horror

01:25:20.279 --> 01:25:22.920
of the deep, again, is in this movie so briefly.

01:25:23.799 --> 01:25:26.800
it's you know all the monster fights and then

01:25:26.800 --> 01:25:30.340
you know to again echo what you said are disappointing

01:25:30.340 --> 01:25:33.199
they're so short like the first fight between

01:25:33.199 --> 01:25:35.060
Godzilla and Abura they're just like throwing

01:25:35.060 --> 01:25:37.180
a rock back and forth and that's it that's the

01:25:37.180 --> 01:25:39.439
entire fight basically and then the second fight

01:25:39.439 --> 01:25:42.119
they're they're splashing each other with water

01:25:42.829 --> 01:25:46.329
Right, yeah. Yeah, which is funny at first, but

01:25:46.329 --> 01:25:48.529
it's like, oh, is that all there is? I did think

01:25:48.529 --> 01:25:50.590
the climactic fight between Mothra and Godzilla

01:25:50.590 --> 01:25:52.750
was a little bit more exciting. There's a moment

01:25:52.750 --> 01:25:54.989
where Godzilla is like knocked over and like

01:25:54.989 --> 01:25:58.489
tumbles down a hill into the water. And Beth

01:25:58.489 --> 01:25:59.810
kind of mentioned this before, but I was like,

01:25:59.829 --> 01:26:01.890
wow, just the athleticism of that moment. That's

01:26:01.890 --> 01:26:04.890
pretty cool. But, you know, another criticism

01:26:04.890 --> 01:26:07.829
about that is like... Unless you've seen previous

01:26:07.829 --> 01:26:10.550
movies in the series, you don't know why Mothra

01:26:10.550 --> 01:26:12.869
and Godzilla are fighting each other. Like, they

01:26:12.869 --> 01:26:14.770
don't really have an antagonism in this movie.

01:26:15.729 --> 01:26:19.229
Ebra, I guess, kind of makes sense why he, she,

01:26:19.310 --> 01:26:21.810
or it would attack Godzilla. But like with Mothra,

01:26:21.890 --> 01:26:23.109
it doesn't make any sense. We don't know why

01:26:23.109 --> 01:26:26.649
that's happening. And I guess, you know, for

01:26:26.649 --> 01:26:29.149
me, this movie is kind of a case study in like

01:26:29.149 --> 01:26:31.729
the importance of a film director. And again,

01:26:31.869 --> 01:26:34.970
I don't mean to... disrespect Jun Fukuda. I know

01:26:34.970 --> 01:26:36.970
he was like working with very limited budget,

01:26:37.109 --> 01:26:40.170
very short shooting schedule. The odds were stacked

01:26:40.170 --> 01:26:42.569
against him, but you know, there are so many

01:26:42.569 --> 01:26:45.649
moments where like a different composition, like

01:26:45.649 --> 01:26:49.170
different editing patterns, like, you know, like

01:26:49.170 --> 01:26:51.970
visual scheme to like build up suspense in certain

01:26:51.970 --> 01:26:54.529
moments. Like when they first see the safe cracker

01:26:54.529 --> 01:26:56.899
on the boat. could have been really exciting,

01:26:57.079 --> 01:26:59.560
suspenseful, thrilling. But it's like, oh, just

01:26:59.560 --> 01:27:01.819
point the camera at the actors and let them do

01:27:01.819 --> 01:27:03.720
their thing. And it's like, this is why film

01:27:03.720 --> 01:27:05.800
directing is important. You need to storyboard

01:27:05.800 --> 01:27:07.539
it. You need to plan out the shots. You need

01:27:07.539 --> 01:27:10.199
to build suspense. And I don't think there's

01:27:10.199 --> 01:27:11.720
very much of that in this movie, unfortunately.

01:27:12.800 --> 01:27:15.819
Lack of suspense. I think that's the summation

01:27:15.819 --> 01:27:19.579
for me and why this movie, to me, feels so much

01:27:19.579 --> 01:27:22.930
longer than it should. Because it's, again, just

01:27:22.930 --> 01:27:25.270
we're moving from one plot point to another.

01:27:25.970 --> 01:27:30.369
But like you said, where's the, I don't know.

01:27:30.409 --> 01:27:32.250
Yeah. Like, where's the suspense that I didn't,

01:27:32.250 --> 01:27:35.890
I didn't get any. Right. For a movie. Oh, sorry.

01:27:36.229 --> 01:27:42.090
Ouch. Ouch. Yeah. Brutal. Ripping off the claws

01:27:42.090 --> 01:27:46.239
here. Yeah. And, you know, I mean. Certainly

01:27:46.239 --> 01:27:48.100
a lot of this comes down to subjective personal

01:27:48.100 --> 01:27:51.300
opinion. I'm like, it was awesome hearing Beth

01:27:51.300 --> 01:27:53.859
talk about this movie and maybe my opinion will

01:27:53.859 --> 01:27:56.039
improve on future viewings. I can understand

01:27:56.039 --> 01:27:58.539
why somebody would find this really entertaining.

01:27:59.100 --> 01:28:02.119
But yeah, again, for me, it didn't do it for

01:28:02.119 --> 01:28:04.800
me. And for a movie that moves so quickly, it

01:28:04.800 --> 01:28:07.539
just like hurdles through its plot. How can it

01:28:07.539 --> 01:28:09.779
also feel so slow and boring at the same time,

01:28:09.800 --> 01:28:13.800
you know? Honestly, honestly. Oh, there goes

01:28:13.800 --> 01:28:16.539
the other claw. We're just... Ripping them off.

01:28:16.739 --> 01:28:20.859
Sorry. Yeah. Bag of melted butter. I love crab

01:28:20.859 --> 01:28:23.399
legs. What can I say? But do you like yellow

01:28:23.399 --> 01:28:28.739
liquid? If I knew more about yellow liquid, maybe

01:28:28.739 --> 01:28:31.039
I would like it. And this movie, it's like, what?

01:28:31.119 --> 01:28:33.380
What is the yellow liquid? Tell me more. There's

01:28:33.380 --> 01:28:35.260
a campy thing. The amount of times they said

01:28:35.260 --> 01:28:38.500
yellow liquid. I was like, guys, could you have

01:28:38.500 --> 01:28:43.199
made it another color? Like anything. Yeah, yeah.

01:28:43.439 --> 01:28:45.680
That is the horror of the deep right there. All

01:28:45.680 --> 01:28:51.500
the yellow liquid in the ocean now. No wonder

01:28:51.500 --> 01:28:54.199
everyone's so mad all the time. He's like, you're

01:28:54.199 --> 01:28:58.020
literally, I won't go there. That's my one campy

01:28:58.020 --> 01:29:02.020
thing. Let's see here. I really did like, well,

01:29:02.199 --> 01:29:04.680
maybe not like. I thought the dance marathon

01:29:04.680 --> 01:29:07.039
stuff was like really silly and very campy at

01:29:07.039 --> 01:29:09.750
the beginning. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. Sorry.

01:29:09.930 --> 01:29:11.710
I don't really have too much other, like, campy

01:29:11.710 --> 01:29:13.630
stuff. I feel like there's, like, a campy vibe

01:29:13.630 --> 01:29:15.710
through the whole thing just because, like, the

01:29:15.710 --> 01:29:18.289
characters are so ridiculous. Their motivations

01:29:18.289 --> 01:29:21.850
often are, like, sort of inscrutable. Like, especially

01:29:21.850 --> 01:29:23.670
the two friends who are just like, yeah, let's

01:29:23.670 --> 01:29:25.449
risk our lives and join this guy for no reason.

01:29:25.770 --> 01:29:29.649
Like, it's just a very absurd plot. And maybe

01:29:29.649 --> 01:29:31.670
that's not campy, but I did find it very entertaining

01:29:31.670 --> 01:29:34.350
and also kind of maddening at the same time.

01:29:38.800 --> 01:29:42.220
This movie sucks me in. I do. I love the dance

01:29:42.220 --> 01:29:46.340
marathon and the boating and Abira's first appearance.

01:29:46.819 --> 01:29:50.100
But then it just, for me, loses steam midway

01:29:50.100 --> 01:29:53.340
through. And I'm still, first time we see Godzilla,

01:29:53.619 --> 01:29:56.500
guess what? It's not exciting. And I'm like,

01:29:56.579 --> 01:29:59.600
oh, how much more do we have to go with this

01:29:59.600 --> 01:30:03.039
movie? Yeah. Then the Red Bamboo disappear. They're

01:30:03.039 --> 01:30:06.079
defeated with like 20 minutes left to go. And

01:30:06.079 --> 01:30:08.979
then you're just like, okay, like then what we're

01:30:08.979 --> 01:30:11.840
just, we're just a car without gas idling down

01:30:11.840 --> 01:30:14.800
a hillside. Like we're moving. There's no doubt

01:30:14.800 --> 01:30:17.760
about that, but there's, there's no oomph behind

01:30:17.760 --> 01:30:20.880
it. Like there we've, there's no gas in the tank.

01:30:21.739 --> 01:30:23.899
Totally. Yeah. Yeah. Where are we going with

01:30:23.899 --> 01:30:25.920
this for sure? And like, I really love Mothra

01:30:25.920 --> 01:30:28.949
too, but I think in this case. I missed Mothra's

01:30:28.949 --> 01:30:31.949
song. Like I love the music that usually accompanies

01:30:31.949 --> 01:30:33.670
the character of Mothra, which is not in this

01:30:33.670 --> 01:30:37.710
movie. And the Shobijin, the like two kind of

01:30:37.710 --> 01:30:40.470
tiny mystical creatures who are like Mothra's

01:30:40.470 --> 01:30:42.550
protectors. They're in this movie as well, but

01:30:42.550 --> 01:30:44.010
like that stuff doesn't look all that great.

01:30:44.210 --> 01:30:46.590
And then like, I don't know, usually like that

01:30:46.590 --> 01:30:48.789
aspect is kind of surreal. And in this movie,

01:30:48.829 --> 01:30:50.810
it's just like, ah, this is not very well done.

01:30:51.090 --> 01:30:53.529
So even Mothra, who I love, kind of disappointing

01:30:53.529 --> 01:30:56.779
in this movie. Yeah. All right. Well, let's get

01:30:56.779 --> 01:31:00.439
to our final rating. Reveal our lineup. Drum

01:31:00.439 --> 01:31:03.720
roll. Yeah. And, you know, folks, we'll see you

01:31:03.720 --> 01:31:08.600
next time. Indeed. Should I should I read our

01:31:08.600 --> 01:31:11.500
four rankings as usual? It would not be an episode

01:31:11.500 --> 01:31:13.760
of Camp Kaiju without it. That's how I feel.

01:31:14.569 --> 01:31:17.069
Our highest rating is it's a timeless classic.

01:31:17.170 --> 01:31:19.550
It definitely stands the test of time. Number

01:31:19.550 --> 01:31:21.569
two, there may be some antiquated moments, but

01:31:21.569 --> 01:31:23.489
overall it's great. It stands the test of time.

01:31:23.750 --> 01:31:26.029
Number three, it may be historically significant

01:31:26.029 --> 01:31:28.390
or just fun, but it does not stand the test of

01:31:28.390 --> 01:31:30.890
time. Number four, and our lowest rating, it

01:31:30.890 --> 01:31:33.229
is not worth revisiting. It definitely does not

01:31:33.229 --> 01:31:37.210
stand the test of time. Okay. You want to go

01:31:37.210 --> 01:31:40.649
first? Sure, yeah. Well, you didn't bring this

01:31:40.649 --> 01:31:43.090
to the podcast, which is what I was going to

01:31:43.090 --> 01:31:45.489
say, but I'll still leave you with the final

01:31:45.489 --> 01:31:51.130
word. So yeah, I'll go first. I was going to

01:31:51.130 --> 01:31:53.109
give this the lowest rating, I have to be honest.

01:31:53.310 --> 01:31:54.890
Like, while I was watching the movie, I was like,

01:31:54.970 --> 01:31:58.449
oh, I don't like this. But I have reconsidered.

01:31:58.449 --> 01:32:00.689
There are some things that I like. It looks pretty

01:32:00.689 --> 01:32:03.550
great. It is... There's some fun moments for

01:32:03.550 --> 01:32:06.229
sure. And like just hearing Beth talk about it,

01:32:06.270 --> 01:32:08.590
hearing her love for it and all the subtext that

01:32:08.590 --> 01:32:11.630
maybe I'm not totally picking up on, you know,

01:32:11.649 --> 01:32:13.350
I got to bump it up a little bit. So I'm going

01:32:13.350 --> 01:32:16.130
to say this movie, I don't know if it's historically

01:32:16.130 --> 01:32:19.350
significant. It is fun at times. I don't think

01:32:19.350 --> 01:32:20.970
it stands the test of time, but I'm going to

01:32:20.970 --> 01:32:24.310
give it our second lowest rating. I think that's,

01:32:24.310 --> 01:32:26.390
that's, I think you're on the money there. I

01:32:26.390 --> 01:32:30.029
think as much as I want to like this movie more

01:32:30.029 --> 01:32:34.279
and Beth, I think you're also right on the money

01:32:34.279 --> 01:32:38.600
with all of your input, which means to me that

01:32:38.600 --> 01:32:40.899
it is historically significant. And it's Jun

01:32:40.899 --> 01:32:45.579
Fukuda's first outing in the series. So for all

01:32:45.579 --> 01:32:49.720
of you wanting to do a dive into the arc of this

01:32:49.720 --> 01:32:52.180
series of Godzilla, this franchise we all love,

01:32:52.420 --> 01:32:56.079
Fukuda's footprint starts here. And I think that's

01:32:56.079 --> 01:32:58.760
important to recognize. But for all the reasons

01:32:58.760 --> 01:33:01.460
we just mentioned, I don't find this movie compelling

01:33:01.460 --> 01:33:05.819
as many other Godzilla movies don't find it.

01:33:05.859 --> 01:33:10.720
It is fun. It is campy, but only to a point because

01:33:10.720 --> 01:33:14.659
then things just, just sort of happen. That makes

01:33:14.659 --> 01:33:17.619
sense. And it, and yeah, I just needed more out

01:33:17.619 --> 01:33:21.359
of this movie. Same missed, missed opportunities

01:33:21.359 --> 01:33:24.079
and missed potential. I would say. Yeah. Yep.

01:33:24.260 --> 01:33:27.640
Yep. Well, There it is, folks. Abira, Horror

01:33:27.640 --> 01:33:29.260
of the Deep. Please let us know your thoughts.

01:33:29.340 --> 01:33:31.359
However, we would love to hear from you. We'd

01:33:31.359 --> 01:33:33.699
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01:33:33.699 --> 01:33:37.039
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01:33:37.279 --> 01:33:40.119
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01:34:46.380 --> 01:34:49.340
campy. Say, I think we ought to think about it

01:34:49.340 --> 01:34:51.579
some more first. How do we get in there anyway?

01:34:52.020 --> 01:34:55.319
We'll get in. With this. Sure that thing will

01:34:55.319 --> 01:34:58.920
work? I can open any kind of lock. You did steal

01:34:58.920 --> 01:35:02.340
that money. A safe cracker. That's not very important

01:35:02.340 --> 01:35:07.640
right now. I've been looking forward to this

01:35:07.640 --> 01:35:10.680
for weeks now. Let me tell you. So let me pull

01:35:10.680 --> 01:35:13.399
up my list here real quick. All right. And for

01:35:13.399 --> 01:35:15.319
all you listening, this is subject to change,

01:35:15.340 --> 01:35:17.619
of course. That has happened in the past. It

01:35:17.619 --> 01:35:21.210
may happen now. But I have five picks. Matt sounds

01:35:21.210 --> 01:35:24.609
like you have five. So I think our next episode

01:35:24.609 --> 01:35:30.329
after a beer after a bit after the sea monster,

01:35:30.449 --> 01:35:37.130
we'll go with that from now on will be a special

01:35:37.130 --> 01:35:39.670
encore presentation of Peter Laurie's poverty

01:35:39.670 --> 01:35:43.529
row picture show. Just recapping the past six

01:35:43.529 --> 01:35:50.360
months of his misadventures. Then we can. release

01:35:50.360 --> 01:35:55.600
or do an episode on your pick Matt. Okay. So

01:35:55.600 --> 01:35:57.859
I should go first. So what would tell us what

01:35:57.859 --> 01:36:00.220
we're to look forward to in August? All right.

01:36:00.380 --> 01:36:04.279
My pick for August is the movie Congo from 1995.

01:36:06.060 --> 01:36:09.560
This in a way is kind of a shout out to my friends

01:36:09.560 --> 01:36:11.840
who I grew up with, went to school with in West

01:36:11.840 --> 01:36:14.760
Bend. We all love Congo. We've seen this movie

01:36:14.760 --> 01:36:17.920
many, many times. My friend Chris even made a

01:36:17.920 --> 01:36:21.100
board game based on the movie Congo. I've wanted

01:36:21.100 --> 01:36:23.640
to rewatch it for a long time. I think it's like

01:36:23.640 --> 01:36:26.560
the height of mid -90s camp. I can't wait to

01:36:26.560 --> 01:36:29.710
rewatch it. Dude, you've talked about it. I've

01:36:29.710 --> 01:36:31.250
never seen this movie, but every time you talk

01:36:31.250 --> 01:36:33.949
about it, I secretly think to myself, I hope

01:36:33.949 --> 01:36:36.029
Matt brings this to the podcast. I hope Matt

01:36:36.029 --> 01:36:38.670
brings this to the podcast. And you did. I am

01:36:38.670 --> 01:36:42.689
so excited. I love 90s monster movies since The

01:36:42.689 --> 01:36:46.010
Relic. When we watched that movie, The Relic,

01:36:46.010 --> 01:36:51.449
Species. There's just a whole bunch of these

01:36:51.449 --> 01:36:55.229
B movies that were given A -list production.

01:36:56.780 --> 01:36:59.340
Totally. Yeah. Yep. And there are so many more

01:36:59.340 --> 01:37:01.300
to talk about at some point. Like we could go

01:37:01.300 --> 01:37:04.659
on and on only with like 90s B monster movies.

01:37:04.960 --> 01:37:07.640
So I'm very excited for Congo as well. Amazing.

01:37:07.739 --> 01:37:11.640
Condo. Congo. I like Condo though too. I hope

01:37:11.640 --> 01:37:13.439
there's a monster movie out there called Condo.

01:37:13.520 --> 01:37:16.960
I want to see that. Well, I am not bringing Condo

01:37:16.960 --> 01:37:22.720
to the podcast. I am bringing Jaws 2. Nice. To

01:37:22.720 --> 01:37:26.560
celebrate Jaws' 50th anniversary. I was like,

01:37:26.579 --> 01:37:29.199
let's do the sequel because I think it's underrated

01:37:29.199 --> 01:37:31.279
personally. It's been a few years since I've

01:37:31.279 --> 01:37:32.979
seen it, but I think there's a lot to talk about.

01:37:33.460 --> 01:37:36.100
Maybe it's only flaw is that it's a sequel to

01:37:36.100 --> 01:37:42.319
Jaws. Honestly, maybe. So a good 70s creature

01:37:42.319 --> 01:37:45.359
feature there. I can't wait. It's been a long

01:37:45.359 --> 01:37:47.640
time since I've seen it too. And I have fond

01:37:47.640 --> 01:37:51.000
memories of it. Yeah. Okay. All right. Great

01:37:51.000 --> 01:37:53.859
start so far. Yeah, totally. My second pick,

01:37:53.939 --> 01:37:56.739
which I guess will be for September, is the other

01:37:56.739 --> 01:37:59.640
title that I threw into the mix for Kaijulai,

01:37:59.760 --> 01:38:02.800
which was not chosen, but I'm really excited

01:38:02.800 --> 01:38:06.420
about it. Space Amoeba from 1970, directed by

01:38:06.420 --> 01:38:09.600
Shiro Honda. I just love that title, Space Amoeba,

01:38:09.619 --> 01:38:13.140
so much. I don't really know a lot about it.

01:38:13.180 --> 01:38:15.079
I know that there are gigantic monsters in the

01:38:15.079 --> 01:38:18.319
Pacific Ocean. It's not a Godzilla movie, but

01:38:18.319 --> 01:38:20.520
it is an Ashiro Honda monster movie, and I can't

01:38:20.520 --> 01:38:24.319
wait to watch it. Oh, Lordy, it's happening,

01:38:24.399 --> 01:38:28.159
everybody. Space Amoeba, hold on to your butts.

01:38:28.720 --> 01:38:33.479
Hold on to your bags of butter. Sorry, I'm just

01:38:33.479 --> 01:38:36.159
going to drill that one into as far as I can.

01:38:36.439 --> 01:38:38.779
I love it. I was trying to think of more like

01:38:38.779 --> 01:38:41.039
crustacean puns during the episode and none of

01:38:41.039 --> 01:38:42.899
them came to me. So I apologize for that. That's

01:38:42.899 --> 01:38:44.779
all right. There are crustaceans in Space Amoeba,

01:38:44.800 --> 01:38:47.779
though, I will say. So get your bags of butter.

01:38:48.319 --> 01:38:53.000
Yeah. Amazing. I love that. I'm bringing another

01:38:53.000 --> 01:38:56.579
Kaiju film after that. It is going to be one

01:38:56.579 --> 01:39:01.060
from 1986. It is another sequel, folks. It is

01:39:01.060 --> 01:39:07.340
Godzilla. No, sorry. It is King Kong Lives, a

01:39:07.340 --> 01:39:11.600
sequel to the 1976 Dino De Laurentiis King Kong.

01:39:12.460 --> 01:39:16.060
So like Space Amoeba, not known as a great movie,

01:39:16.180 --> 01:39:19.430
but we're going to talk about it. That seemed

01:39:19.430 --> 01:39:21.609
like a great double feature. Those movies hopefully

01:39:21.609 --> 01:39:24.470
will go together extremely well. King Kong lives

01:39:24.470 --> 01:39:28.869
in space amoeba. Man, that's awesome. I actually

01:39:28.869 --> 01:39:32.710
kind of like the 70s King Kong. So I assume hopefully

01:39:32.710 --> 01:39:35.010
I'll like this one too. I don't know. I have

01:39:35.010 --> 01:39:38.289
yet to see it. I got the DVD on my shelf about

01:39:38.289 --> 01:39:42.170
time I watched it. Yeah. Cool. Well, that's great.

01:39:42.250 --> 01:39:45.189
My third pick for this season is going to be

01:39:45.189 --> 01:39:49.689
Prophecy from 1979. directed by John Frankenheimer.

01:39:49.909 --> 01:39:51.869
A director I like a lot. This movie definitely

01:39:51.869 --> 01:39:55.970
gets mixed reviews. It has a high camp reputation.

01:39:56.430 --> 01:39:58.510
As far as I know, it's kind of monster movie

01:39:58.510 --> 01:40:01.689
mixed with kind of like eco, like anti -pollution

01:40:01.689 --> 01:40:04.869
theme. And I have to admit, I've seen one scene

01:40:04.869 --> 01:40:07.770
from Prophecy, and it's the most hilarious death

01:40:07.770 --> 01:40:10.289
I have ever seen in a movie. So if the rest of

01:40:10.289 --> 01:40:13.090
the film is that crazy and campy, we're in for

01:40:13.090 --> 01:40:16.260
a treat. Yeah, I know about this movie from Reputation.

01:40:16.260 --> 01:40:19.220
It's a mutated bear, I think. I mean, this is

01:40:19.220 --> 01:40:22.319
the same director of Island of Dr. Moreau, right?

01:40:23.060 --> 01:40:25.520
Yes, yeah. John Frankenheimer was brought in

01:40:25.520 --> 01:40:27.840
to replace Richard Stanley. Yeah, so he was the

01:40:27.840 --> 01:40:30.680
replacement, yep. Okay. Yeah, like Frankenheimer

01:40:30.680 --> 01:40:32.899
had like some classics early on in his career,

01:40:32.960 --> 01:40:35.340
like The Manchurian Candidate, for example. But

01:40:35.340 --> 01:40:37.659
then at some point, you could argue that his

01:40:37.659 --> 01:40:40.180
career went downhill, maybe right around the

01:40:40.180 --> 01:40:42.939
time of Prophecy, but we'll see. How prophetic.

01:40:43.659 --> 01:40:46.039
Oh my God. That's amazing. You're bringing like

01:40:46.039 --> 01:40:48.640
these movies that I've had on my radar for a

01:40:48.640 --> 01:40:51.380
long time. I've yet to see them so far. I mean,

01:40:51.380 --> 01:40:53.739
yeah. I mean, I haven't even seen King Kong lives,

01:40:53.880 --> 01:40:56.680
so that's great. Love it. We're going to follow

01:40:56.680 --> 01:40:59.840
up. I'm going to do it. So that's October. No,

01:40:59.939 --> 01:41:02.199
that was, okay. I think that was October. Yeah.

01:41:02.960 --> 01:41:05.340
Prophecy was September. Prophecy was October.

01:41:06.239 --> 01:41:10.439
Space Amoeba was September. Gotcha. Yeah. Congo

01:41:10.439 --> 01:41:14.750
Space Amoeba. Prophecy. My October pick. I always

01:41:14.750 --> 01:41:17.689
love to go back to the classics come Halloween

01:41:17.689 --> 01:41:21.310
time. I'm a big fan of the Universal Studios

01:41:21.310 --> 01:41:25.890
classic monsters. I'm going to go way old school

01:41:25.890 --> 01:41:29.970
to a film celebrating its 100th anniversary this

01:41:29.970 --> 01:41:33.909
year. The Phantom of the Opera with Lon Chaney.

01:41:34.569 --> 01:41:37.229
I'm very happy. I'm very happy about that. Yeah.

01:41:37.329 --> 01:41:39.529
So we're bringing a silent film to the podcast

01:41:39.529 --> 01:41:41.270
for the first time. I'm excited. But I think

01:41:41.270 --> 01:41:43.670
this movie is, A, it is actually very accessible.

01:41:43.949 --> 01:41:47.829
You could find it streaming anywhere. But it's

01:41:47.829 --> 01:41:50.250
also a foundational, it's a very influential

01:41:50.250 --> 01:41:53.189
movie. Let me just put it that way. So Lon Chaney's

01:41:53.189 --> 01:41:56.590
Phantom of the Opera, 1925. I've been wanting

01:41:56.590 --> 01:41:58.470
to bring a silent movie to the podcast and I

01:41:58.470 --> 01:42:00.449
just haven't done it yet. I'm very, very happy

01:42:00.449 --> 01:42:02.869
that you're doing it. Lon Chaney. I love this

01:42:02.869 --> 01:42:05.430
movie. I haven't seen probably in like 20 years,

01:42:05.489 --> 01:42:08.130
so it should be great. I'm very excited. Heck

01:42:08.130 --> 01:42:12.350
yeah. All right. My fourth title for season five,

01:42:12.369 --> 01:42:15.229
part two, which will be in November is 20 million

01:42:15.229 --> 01:42:20.569
miles to earth. Yeah. Featuring Ray Harryhausen

01:42:20.569 --> 01:42:24.460
stop motion animation. Alien from Venus crash

01:42:24.460 --> 01:42:27.380
lands and Italy and grows to immense size. That's

01:42:27.380 --> 01:42:29.680
all I know about it. And like an awesome poster

01:42:29.680 --> 01:42:32.720
to one of my favorite posters. Oh, this is my

01:42:32.720 --> 01:42:35.600
favorite movies. I had it on my shortlist for

01:42:35.600 --> 01:42:40.460
next for season six. All right. I'm well, sorry

01:42:40.460 --> 01:42:43.319
to, you know, get to it before you did, but I'm

01:42:43.319 --> 01:42:44.960
really excited to see this. I've never seen it

01:42:44.960 --> 01:42:47.420
before, so it should be great. I don't want to

01:42:47.420 --> 01:42:49.300
overhype it. I hate it when people overhype it,

01:42:49.340 --> 01:42:52.729
but I think you're going to like. I think you're

01:42:52.729 --> 01:42:56.069
going to like this movie. I guarantee it. You're

01:42:56.069 --> 01:43:00.109
going to like the way you look. Yeah, it sounds

01:43:00.109 --> 01:43:03.109
great. I think I will too. Yeah. Great. Some

01:43:03.109 --> 01:43:08.329
Harryhausen. Okay, November. So Guillermo del

01:43:08.329 --> 01:43:11.590
Toro is releasing, or Netflix is releasing his

01:43:11.590 --> 01:43:16.229
Frankenstein in November. So I thought, let's

01:43:16.229 --> 01:43:19.250
talk about a Guillermo del Toro movie. look,

01:43:19.390 --> 01:43:21.529
I'm not going to go deep on this. It's Pacific

01:43:21.529 --> 01:43:24.449
Rim, everybody, because it is a kaiju movie.

01:43:24.750 --> 01:43:26.770
And I was like, well, we have to talk about the

01:43:26.770 --> 01:43:30.770
kaiju movie that Del Toro made. We do. Absolutely.

01:43:30.909 --> 01:43:34.010
Yeah. It's kind of a nice parallel to Robot Jocks

01:43:34.010 --> 01:43:35.510
as well, which we just talked about a couple

01:43:35.510 --> 01:43:37.329
weeks ago. Right. So I was like, well, we have,

01:43:37.409 --> 01:43:39.930
yeah, all the stars were aligning. And I was

01:43:39.930 --> 01:43:43.970
like, Pacific Rim. You're right. We had to talk

01:43:43.970 --> 01:43:47.130
about it at some point. Yeah. Yeah. And we love

01:43:47.130 --> 01:43:51.310
Del Toro. I'm looking forward to that. Awesome.

01:43:51.890 --> 01:43:56.050
My final pick for December, I'm making a spontaneous

01:43:56.050 --> 01:43:59.890
switch. I had a title on my short list that I'm

01:43:59.890 --> 01:44:01.810
now replacing with one that was on my long list.

01:44:01.949 --> 01:44:05.430
So my choice is going to be Humanoids from the

01:44:05.430 --> 01:44:09.390
Deep from 1980. It sounds like just a trashy,

01:44:09.390 --> 01:44:12.829
gory, sleazy horror movie. And I can't resist

01:44:12.829 --> 01:44:14.770
that kind of thing. The other one I was going

01:44:14.770 --> 01:44:17.050
to pick is like a dark black and white moody

01:44:17.050 --> 01:44:19.350
drama. And it's like, yeah, let's let's go with

01:44:19.350 --> 01:44:22.210
like the fun campy one, you know, so humanoids

01:44:22.210 --> 01:44:25.210
from the deep. I honestly don't know a lot about

01:44:25.210 --> 01:44:27.250
it. Hopefully it will be a more accurate title

01:44:27.250 --> 01:44:31.890
than ever a horror of the deep. I there's a double

01:44:31.890 --> 01:44:35.130
feature. I have never heard of that movie. I

01:44:35.130 --> 01:44:38.789
I'm so intrigued. Do you mind? I'm just going

01:44:38.789 --> 01:44:42.500
to like take a quick look here. Yeah, 1980, Roger

01:44:42.500 --> 01:44:45.340
Corman was the executive producer. But early

01:44:45.340 --> 01:44:48.899
80s, it's like a very trashy Roger Corman production.

01:44:49.380 --> 01:44:52.119
Yeah, we'll see what happens. Amazing. You're

01:44:52.119 --> 01:44:54.579
kind of bringing a, and I say this with all due

01:44:54.579 --> 01:44:58.199
respect, like a trashy vibe this season. That's

01:44:58.199 --> 01:45:00.399
what I try to do. I bring trash wherever I go.

01:45:01.779 --> 01:45:07.100
Proudly so. Oh man, our listeners are like, what?

01:45:07.239 --> 01:45:09.260
You're going to make us watch all of these movies?

01:45:09.899 --> 01:45:13.829
Yes. Indeed. You know, I feel like at least one

01:45:13.829 --> 01:45:15.550
or two of mine are going to be legitimately good,

01:45:15.630 --> 01:45:18.289
but I guess we'll find out. No, I mean, I'm bringing

01:45:18.289 --> 01:45:21.590
King Kong Lives and... Well, Phantom of the Opera

01:45:21.590 --> 01:45:23.649
brings class, obviously. If you bring a silent

01:45:23.649 --> 01:45:26.109
movie, that's certainly classy. Instant class.

01:45:26.409 --> 01:45:28.470
You could bring the... Not all silent movies

01:45:28.470 --> 01:45:33.449
were good, lest we forget. Yeah. As always, I

01:45:33.449 --> 01:45:36.229
think we have a good mix of class and trash.

01:45:36.310 --> 01:45:39.069
That's what we go for. Well, I love that. That's

01:45:39.069 --> 01:45:41.310
going to be the tagline. I'm going to say class

01:45:41.310 --> 01:45:46.029
and trash. Perfect. Yeah, yeah. All right. My

01:45:46.029 --> 01:45:52.329
next pick is also a movie I offered up for Chi

01:45:52.329 --> 01:45:57.909
July. So Space Amoeba meet Gappa, the Trifibian

01:45:57.909 --> 01:46:01.289
Monster. I was hoping that would make its way

01:46:01.289 --> 01:46:03.189
to the podcast because I love that title too.

01:46:03.409 --> 01:46:06.529
Yeah. In America, it was released as Planet of

01:46:06.529 --> 01:46:10.130
the... prehistoric monsters. It takes place on

01:46:10.130 --> 01:46:11.770
earth. So I don't know what that title is all

01:46:11.770 --> 01:46:14.750
about, but it's an obscure, I mean, it's obscure,

01:46:14.890 --> 01:46:17.789
but it's available anywhere. It's on Tubi. That's

01:46:17.789 --> 01:46:21.270
where I watched it years ago for an obscure Kaiju

01:46:21.270 --> 01:46:25.890
film. I found it surprisingly effective. So let's

01:46:25.890 --> 01:46:29.310
do it. Nice. I'm glad we're both, both bringing

01:46:29.310 --> 01:46:32.649
Kaijula picks to the podcast. Yeah. Yeah. That's

01:46:32.649 --> 01:46:36.020
fun. Wow, I'm really looking forward to it. Let's

01:46:36.020 --> 01:46:39.420
quick run it down again. We'll just go back and

01:46:39.420 --> 01:46:42.479
forth real quick. What are you starting off with?

01:46:42.859 --> 01:46:48.220
Congo from 1995. Okay, Jaws 2. Space Amoeba.

01:46:48.500 --> 01:46:53.800
King Kong Lives. Nice. Prophecy. Phantom of the

01:46:53.800 --> 01:46:58.300
Opera. 20 Million Miles to Earth. Pacific Rim.

01:46:59.439 --> 01:47:02.729
Humanoids from the Deep. And Gappa the Trifibian

01:47:02.729 --> 01:47:06.149
Monster. That's a season. Let's go. Oh, man,

01:47:06.270 --> 01:47:09.010
I can't wait. This is nothing excites me more

01:47:09.010 --> 01:47:13.630
than this moment of Camp Kaiju. I love that.

01:47:13.689 --> 01:47:16.130
Honestly, good, good picks. I'm so excited to

01:47:16.130 --> 01:47:20.550
get our classy trash on classy and trashy. Yeah,

01:47:20.630 --> 01:47:22.750
it'll be on the new T -shirts that we make as

01:47:22.750 --> 01:47:26.810
well. I can't wait. Those are good picks. Fantastic.

01:47:27.550 --> 01:47:31.170
Well, thanks, man. I'll see you for. Congo.