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And Achilles says to Alexander, you're making

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my beer curdle. Alexander says, you make my drink

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taste like blood. What does that even mean? It's

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amazing. Hello and welcome to Camp Kaiju Monster

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Movie Podcast. We're your hosts, Vincent Hannum.

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And Matt Levine. And we're talking about all

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our favorite monster movies, the good, the bad,

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and the downright campy, and asking if they stand

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the test of time. Traditional Kaiju, creature

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notes. It's a new age of combat. Human beings

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genetically engineered to be the best fighters

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in history. Two champions. It isn't over until

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someone wins. At war with each other. I have

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already killed you. Two invincible men. Let's

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finish it, Alexander. Here and now. The ultimate

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killing machine. I'm gonna get in this thing

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and I'm gonna kick your... Wow. Talk about everything

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in between. We have a blast of a show coming

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up. We're all about robot jocks. We have returning

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guests, Matt. We do. Yes. Thank you to the Sean's.

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I'll let you introduce them, Vincent, but good

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to have you guys back. Thank you for joining

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us. Thank you. Love it. That was great. That's

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exactly what I was expecting. So I'll let you

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two actually take it away. All right. Hey, everybody.

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It's Sean Pryor. Once was on the episode where

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we talked about the book Kaiju Unleashed. I am

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the author of Kaiju Unleashed. I write books

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for a living of all kinds. And I'm glad to be

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back on. I'm glad to be back at the camp. I got

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my bag of marshmallows. I got my s'more maker.

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Like, I'm in a good place right now. So thank

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you for having me back, Vincent. It's lovely

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to be back. Our supreme pleasure. Thank you.

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Thank you for joining us. And now to get out

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of character here for just a moment. Hello, this

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is Sean, also known as the host for Big Mecca,

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but not huge podcast where we talk about different

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Mecca related stuff. And I am thrilled to be

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here with you guys to go ahead and talk about

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one of my childhood favorite movies. I'd like

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to see how it holds up to you guys. Definitely.

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And when I wanted to program Robot Jocks, I was

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so glad that you two wanted to. Join this. I

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think this movie seems right up your alley. Just

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based on what I know about you guys and your

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interests and and mechs, but anime and comic

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books. And I think this movie just kind of hits

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all those notes. So I'd love to, I don't know,

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lean on Sean Pryor and Sean Childers to expand

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upon that. That kind of stuff. Vincent, you can

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lean on me. So many good sound bites already.

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I love it. I didn't know Alexander was in this

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picture. Straight from Robot Jocks to Camp Kaiju.

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Alexander himself. Amazing. Well, thank you all

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to talk about all the ins and outs of the talent

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in front of the camera, behind the camera, and

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we're going to review the movie. But before we

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get to that, we always have to shout out Monster

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Movie History. This month in June, the calendar's

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stacked. You know what? This is an amazing list

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of films, and if I only could choose one, I have

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to find one that has the best personal story

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behind it. So that would be predator 1987. Ooh.

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Okay. So that, that comes out like, like summer

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spring, summer 87. So like I'm 11 years old.

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Okay. And, and I remember like seeing the trailers

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for it, the movie theater. And that's as a child.

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And even still like, sometimes as an adult, like

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I don't really mess with like, Alien and Predator.

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I got a whole story about Alien. The whole story.

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I literally did not watch that movie for almost

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30 years after seeing it at the age of six. So

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that's how bad it traumatized me. But that creature,

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the Predator itself, it always freaked me out

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as a child. And so when my family went to the

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theater, I had one of my cousins with me. We

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went to go see something else and they went to

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go see Predator. You fast forward a year later,

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it's on HBO. And I'm like, OK, you know, I'm

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12 now. I'm like, I can do this. I can do. No,

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I couldn't do it. When they cut off Apollo Creed's

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arm, I screamed to high heaven. And I was just

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like, we're out. It's like, we're out. We can't

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do this. Can't do this anymore. But like I probably

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watched it about 10 years ago. I was like, wow,

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this was really, really good. Like I see it in

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a completely different light now. And so, you

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know, like there's no more that, you know, that

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childish fear. Now it's just that I never I never

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want to face that thing. So Arnold can do that

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for me. So it's all right. Go ahead and let yourself

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up in mud and scream and hold a torch. I'm good

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with it. You know, it's so, so yeah, like it's,

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it's good. And plus that predator laugh at the

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end, you know, before he self -destructs is always

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just awesome. You know, like it spawned so much,

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like say what you want about the other sequels

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and like the team that the versus movies with

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alien and like all the other directions that

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the predator franchise has gone. I mean, prey

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is fantastic. And the animated anthology movie

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that just came out was really good, too. So like

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it's I think it's starting to make that turn

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for the better again, you know, over like the

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last like four or five years. But but as a child,

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this movie scared the living bejesus out of me.

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And I would not go into the woods. And yeah,

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if I saw. Nope, nope, nope. Two main trees. Nope.

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Got to go. Yeah. But no, that's that's my pick.

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That's fantastic. Yeah. Wow. Do you have a favorite

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out of that particular series? All the Predator

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movies, like right now, it's Prey. Good choice.

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Prey's number one. Now, the thing is, is that

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like Alien versus Predator, it's not that it's

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a good movie because it really isn't, but like

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Sanaa Lathan as the female, as the lead, she's

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awesome. She's awesome. And I'm like... why didn't

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y 'all give her something else on top of the,

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after, after that? And like, no, no, she doesn't

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need anything. No, she's fine. And I'm like,

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no, give her another movie, you know, have her

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team up with the predator and they can go wreck,

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wreck shop or something. Nope. Not doing that.

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And so besides that, the movie's not that good,

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but, but like the predator and so now Latham

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are like the best things about that movie as

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a whole, but like, but yeah, like pray just really.

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Man, it's so good, and it's, like, frightening

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in, like, all the best ways possible. And, like,

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you know, I don't care for gore, but, man, when

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they go in, they go in. I'm just like, eh, eh,

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okay. We survived. We survived. So, yeah, that's

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my favorite. What about you, Sean? Man, if it

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wasn't for Prey, I would probably say Predator

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2. Yeah. Predator 2, it got a lot of crap back

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in the day. No, that movie is fantastic. I finally

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did a rewatch of, well, no, a watch in general

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of all the Predator movies because I had only

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seen the first one. This is going to sound blasphemous,

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but I hate the first one. But once I started

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with 2 and then moved my way forward, man, I

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loved 2. But then Prey just beat that out of

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the water. Anytime you can get Danny Glover.

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Danny Glover fighting, fighting aliens, you know,

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which is something that, you know, back then

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it was just like, out of all the action, all

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the people they could have got for this movie,

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it was like, Hey man, Danny Glover is a lethal,

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isn't a lethal weapon. That's the hot, like one

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of the hottest things going out. We could put

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them in this and bring Gary Busey with him too.

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And set it, set it in the future, but it's not

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really the future, but it is the future. Oh,

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there's Bill Paxton. And, and like, there are

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so many things it does well, but man, when it

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hits those stereotypes with them gangs. With

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those Jamaican gangs, man, I laugh at it now.

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I laugh. I laugh heartily. Because it's like,

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okay, first it's a street crime movie. Predators

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taking out the Jamaican drug gangs. And then

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it's like, okay, we have to stop this alien menace.

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But then it gets really, really good. And that's

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where we got the whole alien head trophy. Which

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sparked how many decades of freaking fandom freaking

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out over that. Oh, yeah. Plus, you got the deleted

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footage on the Blu -ray or DVD of Danny Glover

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dancing with a bunch of predators. That is an

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amazing scene. Whoa, I have to check that out.

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Yeah, it's great. Yeah, it's really cool. Wow.

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That's great. If you don't mind, I was going

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to mention Gremlins off of this list because

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it was a toss between Ghostbusters, Gremlins

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or Poltergeist. Gremlins for me was a holiday

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classic back in the day, and it still is. But

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I've managed to move on to other holiday classics,

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not Thanksgiving, because that movie is we're

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not talking about that. But with regards to Gremlins

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itself, I love that movie. And when it came to

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watching Gremlins 2. on public television back

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in the day it was very hard to find they were

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trying to air it and then whenever you see in

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the newspapers like oh here's your tv listings

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couldn't find it gremlins can find anywhere tnt

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all day every day along with lord of the rings

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for whatever reason but anyways gremlins 2 the

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reason why i have this specific memory tied to

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gremlins itself i was supposed to be watching

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gremlins 2 it was on wb one day back in the day

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you know cw now And instead of it playing Gremlins

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2, I ended up watching a really low budget horror

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movie by accident. My mom was doing something

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off in the background. And this guy is a janitor.

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And he ends up taking some person, some high

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school person, and kills them by putting them

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into the copier machine. It's just wailing on

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them like, this isn't Gremlins. I don't know

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why. What was it? I don't remember. I do not

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know. The mystery. But it was a really low budget

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horror movie that now I associate with gremlins

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from here on out until the end of time because

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of that. So that actually, that does kind of

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sound like a scene that you would see in gremlins

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to the new batch. Like I would not be surprised

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if the gremlins killed somebody by putting them

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through a copier in that movie. That's not too

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far fetched, you know? Oh yeah. Like it could

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be comical, but no, it definitely was not trying

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to play comic. Wow. I'm intrigued. Yeah. Listeners

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out there, if you know what Sean, a .k .a. Alexander,

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is talking about, let us know. I gotta know.

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You are dead in here! You could be. Matt, what

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do you got to shout out? There are so many good

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movies on this list. It's very hard to choose,

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including several movies that we've talked about

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in the podcast, like King Kong vs. Godzilla and

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Wolf. I think the one that I'm going to shout

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out, though, is Splice from 2009. That's a very

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underrated Canadian horror movie directed by

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Vincenzo Natale, who also made Cube, another

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underrated horror movie. But Splice is great.

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It's definitely a monster movie. As the name

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implies, it's very much about genetic engineering

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and kind of... giving birth to a creature and

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then you know like you know adrian brody and

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sarah polly are in it and they play like the

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parents to this creature and like there's some

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sort of incestuous themes it's it's really dark

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and it has this great like human element that

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i think the best horror movies have so if you

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haven't seen splice check it out that's my recommendation

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yeah i saw it years ago and and it was there

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are some moments that are seared into my memory

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for sure Yeah. Some rough parts of that movie,

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but in the best possible way. Yeah, for sure.

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I think it's a, I think it's a good one. Yeah.

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Yeah. So two things about that movie. I finally

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saw that movie for the first time last year.

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And that movie is absolutely fantastic, even

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as dark as it goes. But the reason why I was

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drawn to it was because of the cover art, because

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the monster's face looks like Anya Taylor joy.

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Yeah. So I was like, you know what? I'm kind

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of digging her right now. Why not? So jump right

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into it. I was satisfied. All right. Unintended

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connection. But yeah, indeed. Adrian Brody Predators.

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Quick shout out there. But my movie is from 1957.

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It's called The Monster That Challenged the World.

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Have you guys seen it? Never seen this one. It

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is something I came across like a bargain bin

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DVD, you know, but I put it on. And I was blown

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away. It's about like a mutated mollusk that

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comes up out of the ocean and eats people, of

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course. But what sets it apart for me from other

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1950s B -movies is that the special effects are

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really gross and gnarly in a way that reminded

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me of more like 80s special effects monster movies.

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And seeing this in the 50s, it's black and white.

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It's shoestring, but they go for it. I'm like,

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wow, this is gnarly. I'm intrigued. I don't often

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see monster movies from the 50s that go hard

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with their gruesome special effects. So I would

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recommend. Kind of sounds like the end of Fiend

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Without a Face. Splattering brains all over the

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place. Yeah, yeah. You'll be thinking about it

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long after it ends. Nice. That's awesome. I still

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can't believe all the movies on this list that

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came out in June. Like, so many. Holy cow. The

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Legend of Boggy Creek. Holy crap. Yeah, I've

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got that DVD. Oh, man. Did you buy it in Kissimmee?

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I ordered it. I was living in Kissimmee when

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I bought it. Okay. Nice. Yeah, I'll share with

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you guys. There's a horror almanac. that me and

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Matt use to find these month -by -month histories.

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And it's not just releases. It's deaths and births

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and other milestones in horror history. It just

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goes month -by -month. So it's a really neat

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resource. Do you remember the name of that website

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offhand, Vincent? Yeah, it is because I have

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it tabbed. It is... Horrorsociety .com. Nice.

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That's a society I want to live in. No, we're

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going to live in a post -apocalyptic society

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where war and Alaska is determined by single

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-handed mecha combat. Sounds like an anime I

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watched. Doesn't it? Doesn't it? It does. Specifically

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one called G Gundam. But it's basically where

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all these different nations, you know, they live

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in space colonies and then they end up fighting

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each other for, you know, resources and who gets

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to control pretty much all the other nations.

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So, yeah, they borrowed from that heavily. Oh,

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yeah. It leans heavy into Gundam, for sure. For

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sure. And the thing is, when I saw this when

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I was a kid. like Gundam wasn't accessible. Like,

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you know, like stuff like stuff like Robotech

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was, was more, was more accessible. Transformers

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was, was more accessible, but, but like, like

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this, this film though, man, like I tell you

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when I was 14, I saw it on HBO because it was

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one of those like HBO, you've never seen this

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before. Cause that's like, that was one of HBO's

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things like around 1990, like late 89, early

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90. They started being like, well, hey, you know,

00:19:16.539 --> 00:19:21.359
how can we differentiate ourselves from the other

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cable stations and, like, pay cable stations

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and whatnot? And they're like, well, how about

00:19:26.799 --> 00:19:28.420
if we just start showing movies that nobody's

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ever seen before and just calling it, you know,

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giving something snazzy over top of it? So, like,

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that's how you get to see Robot Jocks on HBO.

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That's how you get to see. dark man three. Oh

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God. No. And like, and like all these other things

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before, like they really started making like

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original films and like originals, like original

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series outside dream on. Okay. And so, but this

00:19:52.859 --> 00:19:55.740
was their way to like, you know, pad up, you

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know, pad up the, you know, the, the schedule.

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But the thing is, is that like, man, like, I

00:20:01.880 --> 00:20:03.980
love that. I love that film as a child. And,

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you know, and like, it hits a little bit harder

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now that I'm, that I'm older. But, like, the

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thing is, if this movie would have came out when

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it was originally supposed to come out, it should

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have came out around the same time RoboCop came

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out. Mm -hmm. I think, like, that delay truly

00:20:20.019 --> 00:20:22.720
hurt that movie from ever doing anything in the

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box office. Because when you look at RoboCop,

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you look at RoboCop and you look at the special

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effects, especially with the stop -motion stuff

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with ED -209. Like, they're doing the same thing

00:20:32.440 --> 00:20:35.579
in Robot Jocks with less money. Yeah. You know?

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And then they'll still also have people in the

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actual mech suit doing stuff, too. And so, like,

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all the green screen, blue screen stuff, for

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the most part, with the exception of maybe two

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or three effects, it's all clean. Like, the opening

00:20:52.700 --> 00:20:58.240
scene in Robot Jocks, like, it's very James Cameron

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-ish as far as, we've got $10, how can I make

00:21:01.799 --> 00:21:05.390
this look frightening? Yeah. you know, like,

00:21:05.470 --> 00:21:07.630
like go look at the original Terminator film,

00:21:07.710 --> 00:21:09.849
man. Like, like, like go, if you go look at that,

00:21:09.869 --> 00:21:12.009
like, like that's, that's what I think of as

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soon as it gets to that opening scene in robot.

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Cause I'm like, and as a kid, once again, I wasn't

00:21:16.789 --> 00:21:18.390
thinking about it, but watching it last night,

00:21:18.450 --> 00:21:21.289
like in high definition, I was like, well, I'll

00:21:21.289 --> 00:21:23.190
be damned. This is actually really impressive

00:21:23.190 --> 00:21:29.430
for $5. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, I gotta, I

00:21:29.430 --> 00:21:31.529
gotta give Stuart Gordon his props, man. Cause

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like, Like he really made like he really he really

00:21:34.940 --> 00:21:36.819
did something with with this one. Like, yeah,

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does it have does it have its flaws? Yeah, we'll

00:21:38.559 --> 00:21:40.960
talk about those. But man, I just this film is

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really close to my heart. And those HBO screenings

00:21:44.519 --> 00:21:46.599
probably are like a big reason this became like

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a cult movie years down the road. You know, like

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people like young people like just stumbling

00:21:52.240 --> 00:21:54.119
upon this movie being like, oh, why does nobody

00:21:54.119 --> 00:21:56.500
know about this? More people should see this

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movie. I feel like that directly led to this

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movie is kind of like belated cult following,

00:22:00.759 --> 00:22:03.859
you know? Oh, yeah. Most definitely. That's exactly

00:22:03.859 --> 00:22:06.480
how I got my copy back in the day where once

00:22:06.480 --> 00:22:11.200
it was on a video on demand or HBO, just pop

00:22:11.200 --> 00:22:13.900
it in the VCR, just hit record and wait for it

00:22:13.900 --> 00:22:19.279
to end. I love that. The good old days. Our distinguished

00:22:19.279 --> 00:22:22.920
guests, feel free to elaborate more on your personal

00:22:22.920 --> 00:22:24.759
histories with this film, but I think we can

00:22:24.759 --> 00:22:26.839
go ahead and talk about that. The last quick

00:22:26.839 --> 00:22:30.579
thing, I'll just... say for you know cam kaiju

00:22:30.579 --> 00:22:34.000
stuff is that our next episode will be the company

00:22:34.000 --> 00:22:37.599
of wolves from 1984 matt this is your pick if

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you want to talk a little bit about it I've never

00:22:40.059 --> 00:22:41.940
seen it and I don't really know very much about

00:22:41.940 --> 00:22:44.160
it. So I don't have much to say, but it's very

00:22:44.160 --> 00:22:46.160
well reviewed. It's directed by Neil Jordan.

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From what I've read, the little bit that I've

00:22:48.359 --> 00:22:50.720
read, it's kind of like a surreal coming of age

00:22:50.720 --> 00:22:52.920
story mixed with a lot of like gothic horror.

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So I'm excited. Beyond that, though, I don't

00:22:55.819 --> 00:22:58.099
know what to expect. So we'll see. That's been

00:22:58.099 --> 00:22:59.799
kind of hit or miss when I brought movies to

00:22:59.799 --> 00:23:02.660
the podcast that I've never seen before. So crossing

00:23:02.660 --> 00:23:04.220
my fingers and hoping for the best. We'll see

00:23:04.220 --> 00:23:07.250
what happens. I love that. You know, mystery

00:23:07.250 --> 00:23:10.049
box element to it. Yeah, seriously. That's pretty

00:23:10.049 --> 00:23:13.029
good. And then after that in July, we'll have

00:23:13.029 --> 00:23:17.349
a traditional Kaiju feature TBD. Matt, you and

00:23:17.349 --> 00:23:19.569
I got to put our heads together on that. Maybe

00:23:19.569 --> 00:23:22.450
our patrons will be able to vote. So stay tuned

00:23:22.450 --> 00:23:25.609
for you all out there. And then me and Matt are

00:23:25.609 --> 00:23:28.170
going to announce the next six months worth of

00:23:28.170 --> 00:23:32.430
episodes here on Camp Kaiju. So listeners, guests,

00:23:32.690 --> 00:23:37.059
Matt, stay tuned. We'll have some good things,

00:23:37.220 --> 00:23:46.039
no doubt. I will be tuning in. A new motion picture

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will transform the summer of 1986 into an incredible

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adventure. Transformers, the movie. An epic story

00:23:58.279 --> 00:24:01.440
of good versus evil. This spectacular animated

00:24:01.440 --> 00:24:06.200
adventure stars Orson Welles as Unicron. Leonard

00:24:06.200 --> 00:24:10.980
Nimoy as Galvatron. Robert Stack as Ultra Magnus.

00:24:11.599 --> 00:24:16.339
Judd Nelson as Hot Rod. And Eric Idle as the

00:24:16.339 --> 00:24:47.339
Junkion Warrior Wreck Guard. 1986, the most exciting

00:24:47.339 --> 00:24:50.200
adventure in the universe is on planet Earth.

00:24:51.319 --> 00:24:56.400
Transformers, the movie. Coming this summer to

00:24:56.400 --> 00:25:05.400
a theater near you. In the year 2035, a corporate

00:25:05.400 --> 00:25:13.210
power will rule our nation with terror. Using

00:25:13.210 --> 00:25:16.470
a secret army of synthetic humans, they will

00:25:16.470 --> 00:25:22.170
destroy all who oppose them. But a small outpost

00:25:22.170 --> 00:25:27.990
of rebels will fight their killing machine. By

00:25:27.990 --> 00:25:32.250
reviving a weapon from their past, they will

00:25:32.250 --> 00:26:06.269
wage the final battle for our future. The makers

00:26:06.269 --> 00:26:10.609
of robot trucks take you to a future where super

00:26:10.609 --> 00:26:18.250
robots keep the peace. Well, General, you're

00:26:18.250 --> 00:26:26.470
getting a ringside seat here. But beneath the

00:26:26.470 --> 00:26:29.509
technology lies a plot. The Eastern Alliance

00:26:29.509 --> 00:26:33.569
is on our side. To turn its machines. Come on,

00:26:33.569 --> 00:26:35.329
what would somebody be hiding under a ghost town?

00:26:35.829 --> 00:26:40.190
How about a huge cache of weapons? The whole

00:26:40.190 --> 00:26:44.890
damn robot's intact! Into engines of destruction.

00:26:52.950 --> 00:26:58.910
Captain Wally has commandeered the robots. I

00:26:58.910 --> 00:27:03.410
learned a whole nine... Robot Yards. Strap it,

00:27:03.450 --> 00:27:11.210
Sophie! No. Fuck. The Robot Wars have begun.

00:27:17.089 --> 00:27:21.349
Robot Wars, the next exciting story from the

00:27:21.349 --> 00:27:26.130
producers of Robot Jocks. Okay, so personal histories

00:27:26.130 --> 00:27:28.910
with Robot Jocks. Mine's going to be really brief.

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I did not really know anything about this movie

00:27:31.150 --> 00:27:33.430
till I watched it last night for the podcast.

00:27:33.750 --> 00:27:36.589
And I consider myself a Stuart Gordon fan. I

00:27:36.589 --> 00:27:39.029
like Re -Animator a lot. From Beyond, I think

00:27:39.029 --> 00:27:41.170
it's called, his second movie. I like that one

00:27:41.170 --> 00:27:43.630
a lot too. But somehow, yeah, this one passed

00:27:43.630 --> 00:27:45.869
me by. I was not aware of this movie at all.

00:27:45.950 --> 00:27:48.289
And I was delightfully surprised. I'll just say

00:27:48.289 --> 00:27:52.990
that for now. Nice. Nice. I first came across

00:27:52.990 --> 00:27:58.480
this movie three years ago. I was in Hot Comics,

00:27:58.559 --> 00:28:02.299
a comic book store in Minneapolis, and it was

00:28:02.299 --> 00:28:05.259
free comic book day. So I got my comic books.

00:28:05.339 --> 00:28:08.880
But then I saw off to the side by the cash register

00:28:08.880 --> 00:28:14.500
was a little shelf of used B movies, right? And

00:28:14.500 --> 00:28:17.880
I picked up one. It was not Robot Jocks. It was

00:28:17.880 --> 00:28:23.160
another Charles Band movie, Robot Wars. I picked

00:28:23.160 --> 00:28:26.450
it up just based on the premise alone. But it's

00:28:26.450 --> 00:28:29.170
it's free comic book day. So the shop is packed.

00:28:29.650 --> 00:28:34.309
And, you know, I love I love everyone. I just,

00:28:34.329 --> 00:28:37.750
you know, nerds are the best people. And I had

00:28:37.750 --> 00:28:41.130
somebody see what I picked up and they shouted

00:28:41.130 --> 00:28:44.589
across the room. They like laser honed in on

00:28:44.589 --> 00:28:47.269
what I was buying. And they said, watch robot

00:28:47.269 --> 00:28:51.670
jocks. I was like, OK, I'm going to remember

00:28:51.670 --> 00:28:54.950
that one. And of course, I went home and found

00:28:54.950 --> 00:28:58.309
it online. And I'm not going to bury the lead.

00:28:58.410 --> 00:29:01.789
I fell in love with it. I hadn't seen it since

00:29:01.789 --> 00:29:03.630
then, though. So it was a really nice rewatch.

00:29:03.950 --> 00:29:06.490
But I will say, though, as a teacher, whenever

00:29:06.490 --> 00:29:10.670
I've had like really quiet classes, maybe it's

00:29:10.670 --> 00:29:12.789
towards the end of the school year and we're

00:29:12.789 --> 00:29:15.549
not really doing a whole lot anyways, I will

00:29:15.549 --> 00:29:18.329
start Robot Jocks for my students, especially

00:29:18.329 --> 00:29:23.160
if I know they're into like Transformers. Or,

00:29:23.160 --> 00:29:25.960
you know, similar things. And every time we only

00:29:25.960 --> 00:29:28.640
get like 20 minutes into it, but every time they're

00:29:28.640 --> 00:29:30.980
hooked and they're like, what? What the hell

00:29:30.980 --> 00:29:34.960
is this? I'm like, isn't it great? Damn right.

00:29:38.160 --> 00:29:40.900
See, I'd love been a student in your class. You

00:29:40.900 --> 00:29:43.640
roll on the TV, the TV card. Like, oh, it's on

00:29:43.640 --> 00:29:45.619
now. Here we go. Here we go. What we watching?

00:29:45.819 --> 00:29:49.000
What is this ancient? art form that you have

00:29:49.000 --> 00:29:51.500
brought into us. I'm like, it's called stop motion.

00:29:53.059 --> 00:29:57.660
Appreciate it. Yeah. Infinitely better than CGI.

00:29:57.940 --> 00:30:02.160
Oh my goodness. Yes. Yeah. Oh yeah. CGI has dropped

00:30:02.160 --> 00:30:04.339
off so much. And so from so many movies over

00:30:04.339 --> 00:30:06.299
like the last, like 15 years, man, it's three.

00:30:06.880 --> 00:30:09.799
Excuse me. That's the thing. It's the, it's the

00:30:09.799 --> 00:30:12.579
drop off in quality. They can do it. So I'm saying

00:30:12.579 --> 00:30:15.819
like, I'm an expert, but from my arm chair, they

00:30:15.819 --> 00:30:20.079
can make it so. quickly and and affordably affordably

00:30:20.079 --> 00:30:23.539
that you know you can kind of see the the proof

00:30:23.539 --> 00:30:26.759
in the pudding between that and like a lot of

00:30:26.759 --> 00:30:28.759
special effects houses really literally being

00:30:28.759 --> 00:30:31.160
run out of business you know for being like low

00:30:31.160 --> 00:30:34.059
-balled and then asking for a lot in a short

00:30:34.059 --> 00:30:36.849
period of time Asking a lot of these special

00:30:36.849 --> 00:30:39.089
effects studios for a lot of things in a short

00:30:39.089 --> 00:30:41.289
period of time. That's also been a major problem,

00:30:41.450 --> 00:30:43.910
too. That's why practical effects work, y 'all.

00:30:44.970 --> 00:30:46.670
There's nothing wrong with getting your hands

00:30:46.670 --> 00:30:50.930
dirty. And that's how I feel about this film.

00:30:51.230 --> 00:30:55.069
It really feels like Stuart Gordon and everybody

00:30:55.069 --> 00:30:57.890
involved in the film, they got their hands dirty.

00:30:58.029 --> 00:31:00.750
Whether it be Ron Cobb. Once again, now that

00:31:00.750 --> 00:31:03.650
I'm older and I see these names, they mean something.

00:31:04.920 --> 00:31:06.980
And because I used to have an Art of Ron Cobb

00:31:06.980 --> 00:31:08.680
book and I was like, I did not know he drew all

00:31:08.680 --> 00:31:10.880
this cool stuff. You know, I did not know that

00:31:10.880 --> 00:31:13.440
he like he did so many conceptual conceptual

00:31:13.440 --> 00:31:16.940
artwork for like so many movies. And like that's

00:31:16.940 --> 00:31:19.359
something I'm just really big into is conceptual

00:31:19.359 --> 00:31:22.440
art. And so I'm like, oh, wow, Ron Cobb. I was

00:31:22.440 --> 00:31:24.119
like, well, that's really cool. And as a kid,

00:31:24.140 --> 00:31:26.119
I didn't know who Charles Band was. Now that

00:31:26.119 --> 00:31:28.160
I'm older, I'm like, oh, man, this is the king

00:31:28.160 --> 00:31:32.779
of the B movies. You know, like. The thing is,

00:31:32.839 --> 00:31:36.400
I know him from Full Moon Entertainment. That's

00:31:36.400 --> 00:31:40.059
where I know the name from now. Especially, there

00:31:40.059 --> 00:31:42.519
was a comic book publisher I once was working

00:31:42.519 --> 00:31:46.400
for, and probably about a decade ago, they inked

00:31:46.400 --> 00:31:50.920
a deal with Full Moon to do comic books for Puppet

00:31:50.920 --> 00:31:53.220
Master and a couple other movies, a couple other

00:31:53.220 --> 00:31:56.660
franchises. They did that for about two years.

00:31:57.059 --> 00:32:02.609
But, man, it just... When I was a kid, when this

00:32:02.609 --> 00:32:06.670
came on, I did not move. This movie was everything

00:32:06.670 --> 00:32:08.349
to me because I was just like, okay, I'm getting

00:32:08.349 --> 00:32:13.250
Mecca. I'm getting these really cool characters.

00:32:13.490 --> 00:32:16.009
I don't care if the budget's low. I'm not paying

00:32:16.009 --> 00:32:19.369
attention to that. I'm 14. And it was everything

00:32:19.369 --> 00:32:22.789
to me. And the thing for me is that it was a

00:32:22.789 --> 00:32:25.970
movie that nobody else in the house understood.

00:32:26.559 --> 00:32:28.680
Cause it's at my grandma's house. Okay. Is that

00:32:28.680 --> 00:32:31.000
my grandma's house? So when robot jocks came

00:32:31.000 --> 00:32:36.640
on, everybody left. So it's like, Oh yeah. I

00:32:36.640 --> 00:32:39.299
was like, I get to live on to myself. Oh man,

00:32:39.440 --> 00:32:41.220
this is wonderful. Okay, great. Let me get some

00:32:41.220 --> 00:32:43.480
popcorn. Oh, this is great. This is great. Oh,

00:32:43.480 --> 00:32:47.099
that boy watching robot jocks, you know, you

00:32:47.099 --> 00:32:49.759
know, and so, you know, so like, like those are

00:32:49.759 --> 00:32:51.700
the memories that really, that really like pull

00:32:51.700 --> 00:32:53.500
me, pull me back in every time I think about

00:32:53.500 --> 00:32:55.779
it. But like, I think one of the other things,

00:32:56.200 --> 00:32:57.359
Because I don't want to hug up all the time.

00:32:57.460 --> 00:32:59.500
One of the other things about the film, besides

00:32:59.500 --> 00:33:04.960
Gary Graham being awesome, and Gary Graham plays

00:33:04.960 --> 00:33:07.839
Gary Graham in every single film he's ever in,

00:33:07.980 --> 00:33:10.319
and I love that man for that. Absolutely love

00:33:10.319 --> 00:33:14.500
that man for that. He's great. But Anne -Marie

00:33:14.500 --> 00:33:19.799
Johnson as Athena, it's an interesting casting

00:33:19.799 --> 00:33:23.740
decision. And here's why. Anne -Marie Johnson,

00:33:23.960 --> 00:33:25.779
in my personal opinion, should have been... A

00:33:25.779 --> 00:33:28.500
movie star, a big movie star. Like she started

00:33:28.500 --> 00:33:31.660
off in like when I was a kid, Robert Townsend

00:33:31.660 --> 00:33:34.140
used to have these comedy specials on HBO. And

00:33:34.140 --> 00:33:36.079
so like all the comedy specials would have like

00:33:36.079 --> 00:33:39.400
sketches in them, like skits. And she would be

00:33:39.400 --> 00:33:42.619
in them. OK, that's where I first saw her. So

00:33:42.619 --> 00:33:45.200
then I fast forward like five, six years later,

00:33:45.259 --> 00:33:47.240
I'm like, Robot Jocks, what's she doing in this?

00:33:47.420 --> 00:33:49.380
I'm like, I didn't know she's going to do action

00:33:49.380 --> 00:33:51.480
and science fiction. I was like, well, this is

00:33:51.480 --> 00:33:54.039
cool. And, you know, she does a really good job.

00:33:54.099 --> 00:33:55.400
And then I see her a couple of years later, like

00:33:55.400 --> 00:33:57.440
the last like two seasons of A Living Color.

00:33:58.000 --> 00:34:00.900
And that's like and she's done some other things,

00:34:00.920 --> 00:34:03.539
but I'm just like she had the look. She did actually

00:34:03.539 --> 00:34:06.700
have legitimate acting jobs. And, you know, it's

00:34:06.700 --> 00:34:09.239
just, you know, she just got overlooked. And

00:34:09.239 --> 00:34:12.780
so like when I watch Robot Jocks, I'm like, man,

00:34:13.079 --> 00:34:16.000
we could add so much cool stuff, you know, with

00:34:16.000 --> 00:34:18.239
Achilles and Athena. We could add other movies,

00:34:18.519 --> 00:34:21.030
sequels. Because it's not like this stuff was

00:34:21.030 --> 00:34:24.010
expensive, but, you know, like, we got what we

00:34:24.010 --> 00:34:26.550
got. And, you know, so I'm thankful that we at

00:34:26.550 --> 00:34:29.289
least got this. That's an interesting point about

00:34:29.289 --> 00:34:34.130
legacy. But more importantly about Anne -Marie

00:34:34.130 --> 00:34:37.730
Johnson, yeah, I think her screen presence is

00:34:37.730 --> 00:34:41.610
dynamite in this movie. And she and Gary Graham

00:34:41.610 --> 00:34:43.690
play really well off of each other, too. They

00:34:43.690 --> 00:34:48.030
have great chemistry. Yeah. Yeah. Good cast all

00:34:48.030 --> 00:34:52.329
around. Okay, well, let's talk about some of

00:34:52.329 --> 00:34:56.030
the cast and crew. Direction and story is by

00:34:56.030 --> 00:34:57.869
Stuart Gordon, who we mentioned a little bit

00:34:57.869 --> 00:35:00.849
earlier. I would say a cult genre director, big

00:35:00.849 --> 00:35:05.030
into horror especially, but he's known for a

00:35:05.030 --> 00:35:09.170
couple of HP Lovecraft adaptations. But the big

00:35:09.170 --> 00:35:12.150
ones are Re -Animator from 1985 and From Beyond

00:35:12.150 --> 00:35:16.269
from 86. And these were both produced by Empire

00:35:16.269 --> 00:35:21.219
Pictures. as is Robot Chalks. But what I love

00:35:21.219 --> 00:35:24.860
is that this dude, Stuart Gordon, I was watching

00:35:24.860 --> 00:35:28.139
Honey, I Shrunk the Kids recently, and you cannot

00:35:28.139 --> 00:35:30.800
be how surprised I was when I saw Stuart Gordon's

00:35:30.800 --> 00:35:33.420
name in the credits after that movie, or even

00:35:33.420 --> 00:35:36.719
in the pre -credits. I was like, no, the Stuart

00:35:36.719 --> 00:35:41.820
Gordon? Amazing. He wrote that film, he co -created

00:35:41.820 --> 00:35:45.489
it, and he executive produced. The sequel, Honey,

00:35:45.530 --> 00:35:48.949
I Blew Up the Kid with Disney. This guy knows

00:35:48.949 --> 00:35:52.409
what he's doing and I love it. He knows genre

00:35:52.409 --> 00:35:55.090
filmmaking so well. Honey, I Shrunk the Kids

00:35:55.090 --> 00:35:57.210
traumatized me as a child. I just want to throw

00:35:57.210 --> 00:36:00.110
that out there because there's some horror elements

00:36:00.110 --> 00:36:02.750
to that movie and the giant ants and the giant

00:36:02.750 --> 00:36:05.849
bees and everything. I had to be carried out

00:36:05.849 --> 00:36:07.809
of the theater screaming the first time I saw

00:36:07.809 --> 00:36:10.369
that movie. And I largely blame Stuart Gordon

00:36:10.369 --> 00:36:13.590
for that. So thank you, Stuart Gordon. Oh, man.

00:36:14.030 --> 00:36:16.849
I'd say what generation X has just been traumatized

00:36:16.849 --> 00:36:20.710
their entire damn lives. You have the predator

00:36:20.710 --> 00:36:23.849
and then you have honey. I shrunk the kids. It's

00:36:23.849 --> 00:36:26.989
a no win situation. No, but I, I get you, Matt.

00:36:27.090 --> 00:36:30.010
And I, I've seen reanimator and I've seen obviously

00:36:30.010 --> 00:36:33.630
the honey. I, I shrunk the kids series, but you

00:36:33.630 --> 00:36:35.650
know, there's, there's horror elements, there's

00:36:35.650 --> 00:36:37.489
action, but there's also a lot of heart in these

00:36:37.489 --> 00:36:40.750
movies too. And I think in robot jocks as well.

00:36:40.829 --> 00:36:43.389
And I think. I always look for that as an audience

00:36:43.389 --> 00:36:46.829
member, as an artist. You know, that makes me

00:36:46.829 --> 00:36:49.809
care about it long after the initial viewing.

00:36:49.909 --> 00:36:54.590
But yeah, Stuart Gordon directed and came up

00:36:54.590 --> 00:36:56.570
with the story. But he was not alone in co -writing

00:36:56.570 --> 00:37:00.230
the film. Science fiction author Joe Haldeman

00:37:00.230 --> 00:37:04.110
also came on board. I've known of, I know of

00:37:04.110 --> 00:37:06.610
the name, like, and I know of, like, it's not

00:37:06.610 --> 00:37:09.769
that Haldeman. And Gordon had beef with each

00:37:09.769 --> 00:37:12.550
other. It's just that they had different visions

00:37:12.550 --> 00:37:15.789
of what the movie should be. You know, like,

00:37:15.989 --> 00:37:18.710
you know, like I know like Haldeman was, was

00:37:18.710 --> 00:37:20.469
pissed because like, you know, this is supposed

00:37:20.469 --> 00:37:23.349
to be a movie, a movie for adults that you can

00:37:23.349 --> 00:37:26.570
take kids to. And like, Gordon's like, no, this

00:37:26.570 --> 00:37:30.269
is a movie for kids that adults can also watch.

00:37:31.150 --> 00:37:34.859
It's very evident in this movie. Yeah. Yes. Yes,

00:37:34.859 --> 00:37:37.460
exactly. Thank you. Thank you. You know, like

00:37:37.460 --> 00:37:39.480
when Athena and Achilles start fighting each

00:37:39.480 --> 00:37:42.440
other, you know, in Achilles' place after he's

00:37:42.440 --> 00:37:45.860
been sedated, they fall into bed and he falls

00:37:45.860 --> 00:37:48.539
on top of her and she's like, you know, he's

00:37:48.539 --> 00:37:49.980
like, what do you think I came back here for?

00:37:50.199 --> 00:37:52.719
And like, tries to give her a kiss and she bites

00:37:52.719 --> 00:37:55.500
his lip. I was like, oh, yep, this is not for

00:37:55.500 --> 00:37:58.559
the kids right here. This is not. So chaste at

00:37:58.559 --> 00:38:02.400
the same time. Like, they don't. They avoid the,

00:38:02.400 --> 00:38:07.179
the cliche romance that you'd expect. Well, except

00:38:07.179 --> 00:38:09.360
for right at the very end when he manages to

00:38:09.360 --> 00:38:11.420
lift her out. And then they ended up kissing

00:38:11.420 --> 00:38:14.980
each other again for no real random reason. Just,

00:38:15.059 --> 00:38:20.679
just because like there wasn't a, there wasn't

00:38:20.679 --> 00:38:24.659
enough time to like, to like expand on like the,

00:38:24.719 --> 00:38:28.300
like the, this relationship, if you can call

00:38:28.300 --> 00:38:30.119
it a relationship, because it wasn't really a

00:38:30.119 --> 00:38:33.360
relationship. You know, it was like he because

00:38:33.360 --> 00:38:35.219
like he came back because like Achilles came

00:38:35.219 --> 00:38:36.539
back because he didn't want to see Athena get

00:38:36.539 --> 00:38:40.239
hurt. I that's that's absolutely fine. Is it

00:38:40.239 --> 00:38:42.820
really truly fully explained? Not really. You

00:38:42.820 --> 00:38:44.639
know, but like you get it like in this. This

00:38:44.639 --> 00:38:46.179
is the way the film supposed because once again,

00:38:46.280 --> 00:38:49.219
it's a film made made for kids that adults can

00:38:49.219 --> 00:38:51.900
watch. And so it's like we're not going to fully

00:38:51.900 --> 00:38:53.920
elaborate on. We're just going to be like, hey,

00:38:53.940 --> 00:38:55.920
he because he literally Achilles takes his coat

00:38:55.920 --> 00:38:58.480
because he goes to see his family. He goes to

00:38:58.480 --> 00:39:00.880
see his relatives and he sees that Athena is

00:39:00.880 --> 00:39:03.380
going to be piloting, piloting the mech. And

00:39:03.380 --> 00:39:05.679
he just grabs his coat and he just bolts back,

00:39:05.820 --> 00:39:10.159
you know? And so like, you know, he's doing that

00:39:10.159 --> 00:39:12.539
for her and she's, you know, she's thinking,

00:39:12.579 --> 00:39:15.340
oh, he just wants, he just wants a spot back

00:39:15.340 --> 00:39:17.679
and he doesn't want me to be successful. So,

00:39:17.679 --> 00:39:20.079
you know, that's how Athena feels about it. So

00:39:20.079 --> 00:39:22.019
yeah, man, it's, it's, but yeah, like, yeah,

00:39:22.059 --> 00:39:24.809
the whole. The whole conflict between Haldeman

00:39:24.809 --> 00:39:27.829
and Gordon, honestly, I think it made for a better

00:39:27.829 --> 00:39:30.769
movie because Gordon made the movie he wanted

00:39:30.769 --> 00:39:33.989
to make. You know, he made the movie that he

00:39:33.989 --> 00:39:37.690
wanted to make. And so it was worth it. I would

00:39:37.690 --> 00:39:40.090
have been interested to see what the full vision

00:39:40.090 --> 00:39:42.530
of either of them separately would have been

00:39:42.530 --> 00:39:46.010
like, because it feels like that they didn't

00:39:46.010 --> 00:39:49.329
really expound upon the idea of what they really

00:39:49.329 --> 00:39:52.190
wanted for the whole, you know, post -World War.

00:39:52.679 --> 00:39:56.079
aspect to it where it's like yeah we are dwindling

00:39:56.079 --> 00:39:58.219
on these resources but we need to make sure that

00:39:58.219 --> 00:40:00.119
everyone is repopulating the earth even though

00:40:00.119 --> 00:40:02.639
the resources are dwindling and there's just

00:40:02.639 --> 00:40:04.139
a bunch of other different things that seem to

00:40:04.139 --> 00:40:07.539
go against itself that just upon this rewatch

00:40:07.539 --> 00:40:09.860
it didn't make sense but you're kind of just

00:40:09.860 --> 00:40:13.559
told to go with it yeah yeah I read that Haldeman

00:40:13.559 --> 00:40:16.360
was like the only member of the crew that actually

00:40:16.360 --> 00:40:18.400
was a soldier. He fought in Vietnam, I believe.

00:40:18.679 --> 00:40:20.920
So he wanted to make a movie kind of about that,

00:40:20.980 --> 00:40:23.579
like a soldier's experience in like war and a

00:40:23.579 --> 00:40:25.900
dystopian future. And of course, everybody else

00:40:25.900 --> 00:40:27.539
is like, no, this isn't a war movie. This is

00:40:27.539 --> 00:40:30.219
a kid's movie. But yeah, Sean Childers, to your

00:40:30.219 --> 00:40:32.119
point, I kind of would like to see that version

00:40:32.119 --> 00:40:34.860
as well. But the version that exists is insanely

00:40:34.860 --> 00:40:37.219
fun. Like I also want this version too, you know,

00:40:37.219 --> 00:40:40.559
I want them both to exist, which is impossible,

00:40:40.840 --> 00:40:43.570
but you know. I am interested in exploring Haldeman.

00:40:43.730 --> 00:40:45.989
He's best known for the novel The Forever War

00:40:45.989 --> 00:40:50.289
about his experiences in Vietnam. The producers

00:40:50.289 --> 00:40:53.389
of Robot Jocks. So I was like, oh, hold up. There

00:40:53.389 --> 00:40:55.929
are two bands. We have executive producer Charles

00:40:55.929 --> 00:40:59.590
Band, whom we've talked about. But this movie

00:40:59.590 --> 00:41:01.949
was actually produced, produced by Albert Band,

00:41:02.130 --> 00:41:06.130
his father. And I just love connecting these

00:41:06.130 --> 00:41:10.070
genre films to old classic Hollywood. So Albert

00:41:10.070 --> 00:41:13.000
Band. Began his career at Warner Brothers in

00:41:13.000 --> 00:41:16.239
the 1940s. He assisted directed The Asphalt Jungle,

00:41:16.480 --> 00:41:20.039
directed by John Huston, and with Huston co -wrote

00:41:20.039 --> 00:41:22.760
The Red Badge of Courage, which Huston also directed.

00:41:23.219 --> 00:41:28.059
So there's a legitimate background there, legitimate

00:41:28.059 --> 00:41:32.860
quote unquote. But Albert Band obviously worked

00:41:32.860 --> 00:41:35.199
with his son Charles a whole heck of a lot with

00:41:35.199 --> 00:41:39.880
Empire Pictures. Charles Band founded the studio

00:41:39.880 --> 00:41:43.539
in 1983. I love this factoid that I read at its

00:41:43.539 --> 00:41:45.840
height. Empire would release two films a month,

00:41:45.920 --> 00:41:53.199
one theatrically, one for video. And Empire Pictures

00:41:53.199 --> 00:41:55.940
was new to me, but not these movies. Ghoulies,

00:41:55.960 --> 00:41:58.960
Reanimator, Troll, a whole list of others. After

00:41:58.960 --> 00:42:02.900
Empire folded in 1988, Band then performed Full

00:42:02.900 --> 00:42:06.150
Moon Features. Maybe best known for the Puppet

00:42:06.150 --> 00:42:08.630
Master series. I'm sure other people have lots

00:42:08.630 --> 00:42:12.269
of other favorite films, but Puppet Master stood

00:42:12.269 --> 00:42:16.909
out to me in the catalog. Yeah, when y 'all shared

00:42:16.909 --> 00:42:19.710
the notes with us, when I saw that, and you talked

00:42:19.710 --> 00:42:21.670
about it a moment ago, Empire will release two

00:42:21.670 --> 00:42:24.550
films a month, one in the theaters and one for

00:42:24.550 --> 00:42:27.210
home video. You got to think about it, at a time

00:42:27.210 --> 00:42:31.349
like that, it was risky to do, but the movie

00:42:31.349 --> 00:42:34.789
budgets were so low that... Like it's this whole

00:42:34.789 --> 00:42:36.550
thing of, OK, if this film doesn't hit in the

00:42:36.550 --> 00:42:39.309
movie theater, OK, hopefully people rent this

00:42:39.309 --> 00:42:42.349
movie enough, this movie that we just put out

00:42:42.349 --> 00:42:45.289
enough to make up for the money that we lost.

00:42:45.730 --> 00:42:48.670
You know, because way, way, way back when they

00:42:48.670 --> 00:42:50.309
had, you know, like these video retailers had

00:42:50.309 --> 00:42:54.030
to pay absorbent amounts of money for one VHS

00:42:54.030 --> 00:42:57.550
tape. It could be anywhere from $30 to $100 -something,

00:42:57.750 --> 00:43:01.349
because they were renting the movies, and that's

00:43:01.349 --> 00:43:04.449
how the movie rental places recouped. They just

00:43:04.449 --> 00:43:06.010
kept renting that same movie out as many times

00:43:06.010 --> 00:43:08.130
as they could until they recouped the cost. But

00:43:08.130 --> 00:43:11.489
that was a really smart method, man. I got to

00:43:11.489 --> 00:43:14.210
give it to them. It didn't last long enough,

00:43:14.289 --> 00:43:19.400
unfortunately, but that's pretty genius. And

00:43:19.400 --> 00:43:21.840
I just love that Charles Band and Full Moon and

00:43:21.840 --> 00:43:24.059
Empire, you know, they're carrying the baton

00:43:24.059 --> 00:43:26.650
that... William Castle and Roger Corman and many

00:43:26.650 --> 00:43:29.449
others before them kind of picked up or like

00:43:29.449 --> 00:43:31.190
laid down is what I probably what I should say.

00:43:31.289 --> 00:43:33.809
But like, you know, proud makers of B movies

00:43:33.809 --> 00:43:36.730
where it's not necessarily about prestige and

00:43:36.730 --> 00:43:39.190
high quality films, but it's about entertainment,

00:43:39.269 --> 00:43:41.650
creativity, putting product out there and like

00:43:41.650 --> 00:43:44.150
good and bad, like concepts of good and bad taste

00:43:44.150 --> 00:43:46.570
go out the window with guys like that. And I

00:43:46.570 --> 00:43:49.469
just love that the band family like carried on

00:43:49.469 --> 00:43:51.949
that torch, you know? Yeah. And you're able to

00:43:51.949 --> 00:43:54.590
see. In so many of these movies, we'll use Robot

00:43:54.590 --> 00:43:57.510
Jocks as an example. It had a $7 million budget,

00:43:57.710 --> 00:44:01.469
which isn't anything. And yet, I love seeing

00:44:01.469 --> 00:44:05.630
creators and artists forced to get creative with

00:44:05.630 --> 00:44:09.309
their limited resources. And I think that that

00:44:09.309 --> 00:44:12.869
can lead to creative choices. And put another

00:44:12.869 --> 00:44:15.369
way, not the safe choice. But not the safe choice

00:44:15.369 --> 00:44:17.349
can lead to the more interesting choice and the

00:44:17.349 --> 00:44:20.699
really making sure. Hey, guys, we got to get

00:44:20.699 --> 00:44:23.340
this right because we're taking a swing here.

00:44:23.800 --> 00:44:27.099
So let's put everything we got to it. Yeah. Oh,

00:44:27.099 --> 00:44:29.420
yeah. So who do you think was behind the choice

00:44:29.420 --> 00:44:32.539
of Tex doing exactly what he did to kill the

00:44:32.539 --> 00:44:35.639
doctor? Because that whole take the hat and then

00:44:35.639 --> 00:44:41.599
just lightly bat his gun away. That was a...

00:44:41.599 --> 00:44:45.539
That was great. Yeah. I mean, that was a little,

00:44:45.679 --> 00:44:49.570
you know, can we... Can we try a few other choices,

00:44:49.650 --> 00:44:52.190
maybe? Can we try a few other creative ways?

00:44:52.590 --> 00:44:55.010
But, you know, someone said, hey, keep it simple.

00:44:55.730 --> 00:44:59.010
Knock the gun out of the way and just do it.

00:44:59.050 --> 00:45:01.489
Just move on with it. We're down to our last

00:45:01.489 --> 00:45:06.570
roll of film. Yeah. So make it quick. Make it

00:45:06.570 --> 00:45:12.690
brief. All right, Yosemite Sam. It takes that

00:45:12.690 --> 00:45:17.110
swing. You know, so yeah. Perfect. Print it.

00:45:17.440 --> 00:45:20.460
That had to be laugh out loud. Oh, yeah. The

00:45:20.460 --> 00:45:24.179
cinematography is by Mac Allberg, a Swedish cinematographer

00:45:24.179 --> 00:45:27.039
who moved to Hollywood in the 70s. He was a frequent

00:45:27.039 --> 00:45:29.780
collaborator with Stuart Gordon on Reanimator,

00:45:29.800 --> 00:45:33.280
From Beyond, and Dolls. And I don't know what

00:45:33.280 --> 00:45:35.199
you guys think, but I think his cinematography

00:45:35.199 --> 00:45:38.869
on Robot Jocks... I was kind of blown away. It's

00:45:38.869 --> 00:45:41.309
beautiful. Like just very bright colors. And

00:45:41.309 --> 00:45:43.210
like the special effects obviously play a big

00:45:43.210 --> 00:45:45.650
role in that as well. But really good work by

00:45:45.650 --> 00:45:47.769
this Swedish cinematographer I'd never heard

00:45:47.769 --> 00:45:50.030
of before. Yeah, that's why I included him. I

00:45:50.030 --> 00:45:53.829
thought there was like an aura, like a soft,

00:45:53.909 --> 00:45:57.329
warm light around so many of the characters that

00:45:57.329 --> 00:46:02.289
just, I don't know. I can't explain why I liked

00:46:02.289 --> 00:46:04.909
it, but it felt good. It just made this movie

00:46:04.909 --> 00:46:08.679
feel even... It's like they were trying to go

00:46:08.679 --> 00:46:10.699
for a B and a half rather than just straight

00:46:10.699 --> 00:46:17.219
B. B plus, yeah. Any cinematographer that can

00:46:17.219 --> 00:46:22.460
see their cast in shiny silver suits and running

00:46:22.460 --> 00:46:25.119
around trying to climb up a metal maze to get

00:46:25.119 --> 00:46:29.579
to the top. And one, not laugh at it. And two,

00:46:30.960 --> 00:46:34.559
film it in a way that makes you take it seriously.

00:46:35.369 --> 00:46:37.769
I have to give you props. Like, I have to legitimately

00:46:37.769 --> 00:46:40.969
give you props. Seriously. No, you're absolutely

00:46:40.969 --> 00:46:42.789
right. I think everyone takes this movie very

00:46:42.789 --> 00:46:45.250
seriously. It doesn't make fun of itself. No,

00:46:45.250 --> 00:46:50.329
it doesn't. Which is huge. And it just, again,

00:46:50.449 --> 00:46:54.989
it adds to the longevity of this movie as a rewatchable

00:46:54.989 --> 00:46:59.690
film. Yeah. Can I read about the robots? Yes,

00:46:59.690 --> 00:47:02.969
please. Okay. Robots designed by... The homie

00:47:02.969 --> 00:47:06.590
Ron Cobb. Ron Cobb is a cartoonist and concept

00:47:06.590 --> 00:47:08.989
artist, contributed to movies like Star Wars,

00:47:09.250 --> 00:47:12.289
Alien, Raiders of the Lost Ark, Conan the Barbarian,

00:47:12.369 --> 00:47:16.230
Back to the Future, and The Abyss. The man is

00:47:16.230 --> 00:47:19.110
an incredible artist. When I think about conceptual

00:47:19.110 --> 00:47:22.690
artists, I think about Ralph McQuarrie, Ron Cobb,

00:47:22.929 --> 00:47:25.929
Sid Mead, who's another fantastic conceptual

00:47:25.929 --> 00:47:30.309
artist. I think of cats like that, like Doug

00:47:30.309 --> 00:47:35.639
Chiang. They bring so much to the table before

00:47:35.639 --> 00:47:40.920
the film is even a spool of film is used. They

00:47:40.920 --> 00:47:44.360
bring so much energy with their creativity and

00:47:44.360 --> 00:47:50.420
their artistic styles. Ron Cobb was a reason

00:47:50.420 --> 00:47:54.059
why I wanted to draw as a child. I love that.

00:47:54.119 --> 00:47:56.820
That's awesome. You know what I mean? It was

00:47:56.820 --> 00:48:02.659
anime, cartoons, Ron Cobb. You know, and so like

00:48:02.659 --> 00:48:04.500
is like, you know, some he designed some of the

00:48:04.500 --> 00:48:06.199
Star Wars monsters. And the reason why I know

00:48:06.199 --> 00:48:08.400
that is because, you know, Lucasfilm used to

00:48:08.400 --> 00:48:10.639
do all those documentaries about their own movies

00:48:10.639 --> 00:48:12.780
and showed you, hey, this is how we make this

00:48:12.780 --> 00:48:15.880
stuff. So maybe you can make it, too. And so

00:48:15.880 --> 00:48:19.460
like that, those types of things always started

00:48:19.460 --> 00:48:22.079
to make me look at like looking at the credits

00:48:22.079 --> 00:48:25.420
as a kid, concept designer, concept art and things

00:48:25.420 --> 00:48:29.340
like that, you know. And so I yeah, it just it's.

00:48:30.659 --> 00:48:34.639
it's such a major piece of the film, you know,

00:48:34.639 --> 00:48:37.519
and none of it, none of that, none of that artwork

00:48:37.519 --> 00:48:40.639
is ever on screen, but it is translated because,

00:48:40.699 --> 00:48:42.820
you know, but it's translated to the screen in

00:48:42.820 --> 00:48:44.860
so many different ways. But so yeah, Ron, Ron

00:48:44.860 --> 00:48:48.320
cop's just amazing. Yeah. I love that. Do you,

00:48:48.320 --> 00:48:50.800
like, I'm sorry to say I don't know exactly,

00:48:51.019 --> 00:48:53.679
like, do you, the specific sort of, like, features

00:48:53.679 --> 00:48:56.519
of the mech suits, like, we talked before about,

00:48:56.559 --> 00:48:59.679
like, the saw that comes out of, like, the penis

00:48:59.679 --> 00:49:02.000
area. The crotchal region. Yeah, the groin region,

00:49:02.079 --> 00:49:04.679
exactly. Do you, like, do you know what Ron Cobb

00:49:04.679 --> 00:49:06.619
contributed to that? Did he play a role in, like,

00:49:06.619 --> 00:49:09.139
the concept of, like, that artwork? I'm sorry

00:49:09.139 --> 00:49:11.659
to say, I don't know. No, like, I think, like,

00:49:11.739 --> 00:49:14.059
I think Ron Cobb did, like, a majority of, like,

00:49:14.059 --> 00:49:17.400
the basics for, like, for Achilles. If I recall

00:49:17.400 --> 00:49:19.800
correctly, he did a majority of designs for both

00:49:19.800 --> 00:49:24.239
mechs, but, like, focused more on the Achilles

00:49:24.239 --> 00:49:26.420
mech, especially with the fact that, like, the

00:49:26.420 --> 00:49:28.880
Achilles mech is really a three -in -one. You

00:49:28.880 --> 00:49:32.840
know, it's a roller. It's also a spaceship. And

00:49:32.840 --> 00:49:35.400
it's also a mech. It's also a regular standard

00:49:35.400 --> 00:49:38.460
mech. So, like, I think, like, if I recall correctly,

00:49:38.500 --> 00:49:40.780
he's really influential in the design of that

00:49:40.780 --> 00:49:44.219
one for sure. You know, like, Ron Cobb definitely

00:49:44.219 --> 00:49:46.730
designed that spider mech. He definitely designed

00:49:46.730 --> 00:49:51.269
that because like that screams Ron Cobb. Was

00:49:51.269 --> 00:49:54.849
he part of a wild, wild West at all? We won't

00:49:54.849 --> 00:49:58.289
talk about that. And I don't think, you know,

00:49:58.349 --> 00:50:01.030
we won't, we won't talk about the, no, no. God.

00:50:02.449 --> 00:50:07.929
Thinking about that. But like, no, like, so like,

00:50:07.969 --> 00:50:11.030
so like, even though like Ron, Ron Cobb's drawings

00:50:11.030 --> 00:50:15.030
didn't make the screen. They literally brought

00:50:15.030 --> 00:50:20.010
that to life and they made it look easy. Yeah.

00:50:20.230 --> 00:50:23.969
Yeah. I love that. I do have to wonder their

00:50:23.969 --> 00:50:26.289
idea as to why they wanted to go ahead and just

00:50:26.289 --> 00:50:28.610
go up in space. But I think when we get into

00:50:28.610 --> 00:50:32.969
random stuff later on. Oh, for sure. Yeah. I've

00:50:32.969 --> 00:50:36.590
got thoughts about that, too. Yeah. So Ron Cobb's

00:50:36.590 --> 00:50:39.110
drawings then were brought to life through stop

00:50:39.110 --> 00:50:44.780
motion by David W. Allen. long list of noted

00:50:44.780 --> 00:50:47.599
films, the first of which being Equinox, which

00:50:47.599 --> 00:50:49.340
Matt and I have talked about on this show from

00:50:49.340 --> 00:50:52.880
1970, but other maybe more well -known films,

00:50:53.019 --> 00:50:56.179
The Howling, The Twilight Zone movie, Young Sherlock

00:50:56.179 --> 00:51:00.639
Holmes, which he earned an Oscar nomination for,

00:51:00.820 --> 00:51:04.179
Honey, I Shrunk the Kids, speaking of. So he

00:51:04.179 --> 00:51:06.780
had a long association with Charles Band, David

00:51:06.780 --> 00:51:11.340
W. Allen, and just creating all kinds of creatures.

00:51:13.170 --> 00:51:19.389
The select cast, this is such a sparse list here,

00:51:19.449 --> 00:51:22.210
but Gary Graham as Achilles, Anne -Marie Johnson

00:51:22.210 --> 00:51:26.429
as Athena, two rock stars. Playing Alexander,

00:51:26.829 --> 00:51:32.250
the villainous, mustache -twirling Russian is

00:51:32.250 --> 00:51:36.309
Paul Koslow. Check out his Wikipedia, he's a

00:51:36.309 --> 00:51:41.449
veteran actor of TV and film, as well as... We

00:51:41.449 --> 00:51:45.750
have Michael Aldridge as Tex, another larger

00:51:45.750 --> 00:51:50.050
-than -life cartoon character, essentially. Tex

00:51:50.050 --> 00:51:54.130
Cowboy. Yeah, Tex is a cowboy. Yeah. And then

00:51:54.130 --> 00:52:00.409
we have Danny Kamikona as Doc Matsumoto. I love

00:52:00.409 --> 00:52:04.550
Doc. I thought Doc was great. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

00:52:05.329 --> 00:52:08.469
Great character. Can I shout out one more cast

00:52:08.469 --> 00:52:10.920
member who's not on the list here? please jeffrey

00:52:10.920 --> 00:52:14.219
combs who is so memorably over the top and reanimator

00:52:14.219 --> 00:52:16.840
just like one of the most bizarre performances

00:52:16.840 --> 00:52:19.059
i've ever seen and is also in some other really

00:52:19.059 --> 00:52:22.139
good maybe not very good but like gives memorable

00:52:22.139 --> 00:52:24.440
performances in horror movies like the frighteners

00:52:24.440 --> 00:52:27.340
for example jeffrey combs has like a very small

00:52:27.340 --> 00:52:29.340
bit part in this movie he's like one of the two

00:52:29.340 --> 00:52:32.780
townspeople who's like cheering for oh he's one

00:52:32.780 --> 00:52:35.530
of the ones that dies I think he does die, yeah.

00:52:35.690 --> 00:52:37.750
He has probably like two lines in the entire

00:52:37.750 --> 00:52:40.409
movie. But I wanted to shout him out. He worked

00:52:40.409 --> 00:52:42.750
with Stuart Gordon a lot. He's amazing in Re

00:52:42.750 --> 00:52:44.889
-Animator. So it was very cool to see him in

00:52:44.889 --> 00:52:47.710
this movie, albeit briefly. And you know who

00:52:47.710 --> 00:52:49.949
else is in this movie, very briefly? Stuart Gordon

00:52:49.949 --> 00:52:54.570
himself. He plays the bartender. Oh, okay. That's...

00:52:54.570 --> 00:52:59.630
Okay, bet. Also, low -key, if you ever watched

00:52:59.630 --> 00:53:04.400
Goof Troop, the person that voices Max, A young

00:53:04.400 --> 00:53:09.619
Jason Mardsen is in Robot Jocks. And he's the

00:53:09.619 --> 00:53:13.119
kid that is related. Killies is here. Yes. There

00:53:13.119 --> 00:53:20.679
you go. Yes. I mean, I think a common theme with

00:53:20.679 --> 00:53:23.059
this movie, with tonight's conversation, is this

00:53:23.059 --> 00:53:27.019
movie is so much better than its release would

00:53:27.019 --> 00:53:31.340
have you believe. It was a bomb. But with the

00:53:31.340 --> 00:53:34.460
cast and the crew. Like, all the pieces are there.

00:53:34.619 --> 00:53:37.659
And obviously, I think we do all agree it's a

00:53:37.659 --> 00:53:41.559
pretty good movie. Yeah. But, like, yeah, it

00:53:41.559 --> 00:53:46.099
just did not get the initial love that it maybe

00:53:46.099 --> 00:53:48.199
should have gotten. No, like, by the time it

00:53:48.199 --> 00:53:49.940
came out, man, it was, like I said, like, with

00:53:49.940 --> 00:53:51.639
Empire Pictures closing, like you talked about,

00:53:51.880 --> 00:53:55.659
like, that just literally killed the film, you

00:53:55.659 --> 00:53:57.599
know? And then it's just at this point where

00:53:57.599 --> 00:54:00.599
you eventually have to put it out. You spent

00:54:00.599 --> 00:54:03.099
the money. But then it's like, okay, well, we

00:54:03.099 --> 00:54:05.039
don't really have an advertising budget. Okay.

00:54:05.159 --> 00:54:08.739
How many, how many, how many, how many theaters

00:54:08.739 --> 00:54:11.199
can we actually get this into? How many theaters

00:54:11.199 --> 00:54:13.480
will actually be interested in buying it? Have

00:54:13.480 --> 00:54:15.780
we designed a new trailer for this film now that

00:54:15.780 --> 00:54:17.760
it's like almost three years late and people

00:54:17.760 --> 00:54:21.300
have already seen Robocop. Right. You know, Transformers

00:54:21.300 --> 00:54:23.460
is already out the door because Hasbro screwed

00:54:23.460 --> 00:54:26.760
that up, you know, because. Yeah. And the cold

00:54:26.760 --> 00:54:33.539
war is over. Yes. Yeah. So 1987, when this was

00:54:33.539 --> 00:54:38.460
made, prime Cold War, Rocky four. Let's go. Right.

00:54:38.519 --> 00:54:42.539
But 1990, we won. It's over. I'm just thankful

00:54:42.539 --> 00:54:44.820
that they didn't decide to, you know, shelve

00:54:44.820 --> 00:54:48.280
it for a tax write off. I know. Oh, man, don't

00:54:48.280 --> 00:54:52.599
get me started on that. I'm with you there, Sean.

00:54:52.980 --> 00:54:58.820
Yeah. Warner Brothers release. The Looney Tunes

00:54:58.820 --> 00:55:04.159
cartoon. No, they gave it to somebody else. I

00:55:04.159 --> 00:55:06.219
think to do it. Yeah. Okay. I mean, there's a

00:55:06.219 --> 00:55:08.500
couple, there's the cat one movie that they shelved,

00:55:08.519 --> 00:55:12.559
but then there's Acme Wiley coyote versus Acme.

00:55:12.760 --> 00:55:14.440
That's the one that's getting, that's the one

00:55:14.440 --> 00:55:16.400
that's getting bought. That's the one. Yeah.

00:55:16.500 --> 00:55:19.920
I forget which distribution bought it, but they

00:55:19.920 --> 00:55:22.500
did purchase it. Yeah. It's whoever ended up

00:55:22.500 --> 00:55:24.940
putting out the latest Looney Tunes movie. I

00:55:24.940 --> 00:55:26.639
think the day that earth blew up or something

00:55:26.639 --> 00:55:28.980
like that. Catch up entertainment. That's it.

00:55:29.179 --> 00:55:32.300
Yeah. Yeah, so they're releasing Wile E. Coyote

00:55:32.300 --> 00:55:35.480
versus Acme. So, you know, maybe one day we'll

00:55:35.480 --> 00:55:40.039
be able to see Batgirl one day. Don't depress

00:55:40.039 --> 00:55:42.559
me on this. Come on. Hey, man, I'm sorry, bro.

00:55:42.679 --> 00:55:45.780
I'm sorry. We was going to go see Michael Keaton

00:55:45.780 --> 00:55:48.219
as Batman. He was supposed to, like, cameo in

00:55:48.219 --> 00:55:51.519
the film. They filmed it. Oh, my gosh. So much

00:55:51.519 --> 00:55:56.519
work. And Keaton also was supposed to be in the

00:55:56.519 --> 00:55:58.820
last Aquaman movie, and then they swapped him

00:55:58.820 --> 00:56:04.000
out. And so you had the Flash movie, which I

00:56:04.000 --> 00:56:07.739
still haven't watched. Don't. Just don't. The

00:56:07.739 --> 00:56:11.340
whole Ezra Miller thing is just his antics, just

00:56:11.340 --> 00:56:14.579
completely like, no, I can't watch this. But

00:56:14.579 --> 00:56:16.800
that's the only chance you get to see Michael

00:56:16.800 --> 00:56:20.559
Keaton as the Dark Knight again. And so it's

00:56:20.559 --> 00:56:24.880
like... It's tough being a fan sometimes of these

00:56:24.880 --> 00:56:28.599
properties, isn't it? Mm -hmm. I mean, I'm still

00:56:28.599 --> 00:56:30.280
holding out for a new Transformers movie, but

00:56:30.280 --> 00:56:34.119
you know, whatever. I'm not going to get in my

00:56:34.119 --> 00:56:37.699
Hasbro. I'm holding out for that Godzilla Pacific

00:56:37.699 --> 00:56:41.199
Rim crossover. Don't you start! Don't you start!

00:56:41.619 --> 00:56:45.480
Hey, hey. It's a movie. We all want to see it.

00:56:45.739 --> 00:56:48.159
You know what? I'm still waiting for Batman 66

00:56:48.159 --> 00:56:54.739
versus Godzilla. Like, like... When Lorenzo Simple

00:56:54.739 --> 00:56:57.440
wrote the script, if I got the name correctly,

00:56:57.579 --> 00:56:59.019
the gentleman who wrote many of the episodes

00:56:59.019 --> 00:57:00.679
of Batman and also wrote the Flash Gordon movie

00:57:00.679 --> 00:57:04.039
that came out in 1980, he wrote the script. It

00:57:04.039 --> 00:57:07.500
exists. And just things fell apart. Things fell

00:57:07.500 --> 00:57:09.500
apart and it didn't happen. And I'm like, you

00:57:09.500 --> 00:57:12.400
mean to tell me y 'all had the script in the

00:57:12.400 --> 00:57:16.679
vault this damn long and y 'all didn't even make

00:57:16.679 --> 00:57:18.860
an animated movie? Besides the fact that like,

00:57:18.980 --> 00:57:22.449
sorry, I'm going again. Nope. Stop. Stop. All

00:57:22.449 --> 00:57:23.989
right, all right, all right. We'll get back on

00:57:23.989 --> 00:57:30.710
track. Robot jocks. Crash and burn, baby. So,

00:57:30.849 --> 00:57:34.389
yeah, we talked a lot about Haldeman and Gordon

00:57:34.389 --> 00:57:36.989
already. They had tried to collaborate before.

00:57:37.309 --> 00:57:39.690
They had differing visions. Honestly, two sides

00:57:39.690 --> 00:57:42.369
of the same coin, I think. Principal photography

00:57:42.369 --> 00:57:46.889
began in Rome in 1987. David W. Allen filmed

00:57:46.889 --> 00:57:49.570
his stop motion in California. Now, what I will

00:57:49.570 --> 00:57:52.269
point out is Haldeman has a pretty great quote

00:57:52.269 --> 00:57:56.530
that I wanted to read. He said, quote, I would

00:57:56.530 --> 00:57:58.630
try to change the science into something reasonable.

00:57:59.070 --> 00:58:01.389
Stewart would change it back to Saturday morning

00:58:01.389 --> 00:58:04.469
cartoon stuff. I tried to make believable, reasonable

00:58:04.469 --> 00:58:06.949
characters, and Stewart would insist on throwing

00:58:06.949 --> 00:58:09.789
in cliches and caricatures. It was especially

00:58:09.789 --> 00:58:11.789
annoying because it was a story about soldiers,

00:58:11.829 --> 00:58:14.550
and I was the only person around who'd ever been

00:58:14.550 --> 00:58:18.780
one. Matt, you alluded to that earlier. Here's

00:58:18.780 --> 00:58:21.000
the problem with that. My personal opinion. Here's

00:58:21.000 --> 00:58:25.019
the problem with that. There really aren't any

00:58:25.019 --> 00:58:30.159
soldiers in this movie. Because they're robot

00:58:30.159 --> 00:58:33.360
jocks. They aren't soldiers. The robots are the

00:58:33.360 --> 00:58:35.139
dang gone soldiers, if you really think about

00:58:35.139 --> 00:58:42.559
it. The pilots do the thing, and they control

00:58:42.559 --> 00:58:45.090
the mech and whatnot. But they're not soldiers,

00:58:45.289 --> 00:58:49.409
really. You know what I mean? Because with Gundam,

00:58:49.429 --> 00:58:52.590
Gundam has actual soldiers, okay? Kid soldiers.

00:58:53.070 --> 00:58:56.349
Kid soldiers at that? Yes, thank you. And so

00:58:56.349 --> 00:59:00.969
there's a feeling of war and military and things

00:59:00.969 --> 00:59:03.690
like that in the balance. Here, there isn't military.

00:59:04.329 --> 00:59:08.190
This is sport. This is combat sport. To acquire

00:59:08.190 --> 00:59:13.090
and procure goods and needs in countries and

00:59:13.090 --> 00:59:18.969
states. So it's war, but it's not war in the

00:59:18.969 --> 00:59:21.889
sense that Haldeman envisions war because he

00:59:21.889 --> 00:59:24.349
served in Vietnam. Gordon is like, no, no, this

00:59:24.349 --> 00:59:28.630
is just all fantasy. It's all fantasy. We don't

00:59:28.630 --> 00:59:32.869
need to make these intricate metaphors and similes.

00:59:33.769 --> 00:59:38.199
Just keep it simple. Less is more. And that's

00:59:38.199 --> 00:59:41.380
the whole movie. Less is more. The entire time.

00:59:41.559 --> 00:59:44.739
They blow through that story fast. That movie's

00:59:44.739 --> 00:59:47.320
an hour and 24 minutes long. You do not have

00:59:47.320 --> 00:59:50.099
enough time to explain anything in this movie.

00:59:50.179 --> 00:59:54.460
You just go. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I agree with that,

00:59:54.500 --> 00:59:56.179
Sean. Even though I said before that I wanted

00:59:56.179 --> 00:59:58.059
to see the Haldeman version that's a little bit

00:59:58.059 --> 01:00:00.599
grittier and actually about soldiers, I don't

01:00:00.599 --> 01:00:02.880
think it would work. With this story and these

01:00:02.880 --> 01:00:05.739
characters, it would not work. So I agree with

01:00:05.739 --> 01:00:08.309
that. And I don't know if you guys felt this

01:00:08.309 --> 01:00:10.329
way, too, but I thought of many other movies

01:00:10.329 --> 01:00:12.409
while I was watching Robot Jocks, which is not

01:00:12.409 --> 01:00:15.269
a knock against Robot Jocks at all. But one of

01:00:15.269 --> 01:00:17.050
the movies I thought of was Starship Troopers,

01:00:17.130 --> 01:00:19.610
which I think also has this weird blend of like.

01:00:20.300 --> 01:00:23.119
It's like a satire of militarism and fascism,

01:00:23.179 --> 01:00:26.079
but it's also like so silly. It's like, it is

01:00:26.079 --> 01:00:27.940
kind of like a Saturday morning cartoon a little

01:00:27.940 --> 01:00:30.219
bit. And Starship Troopers goes a lot further

01:00:30.219 --> 01:00:32.800
in terms of like blood and guts and violence

01:00:32.800 --> 01:00:35.159
and gore and like the satire behind it all. But

01:00:35.159 --> 01:00:37.260
I feel like both movies have like this weird

01:00:37.260 --> 01:00:40.300
combination of like a very adult sort of like

01:00:40.300 --> 01:00:43.260
subversive. you know, the soldier militaristic

01:00:43.260 --> 01:00:45.340
aspect. And then like kind of like a comic book

01:00:45.340 --> 01:00:47.420
vibe, you know, I don't know if any, any of the

01:00:47.420 --> 01:00:49.900
rest of you felt that way, but Starship Trooper

01:00:49.900 --> 01:00:51.119
is definitely one of the movies I thought of

01:00:51.119 --> 01:00:53.179
while I was watching this. I mean, it also helps

01:00:53.179 --> 01:00:54.860
that one of the lines is practically the same.

01:00:54.940 --> 01:00:57.900
It's we're doing our part. Yeah, totally. Yep.

01:00:59.000 --> 01:01:03.380
Exactly. So it had its main release in November

01:01:03.380 --> 01:01:07.380
of 1990, peaking at 13 at the box office, but

01:01:07.380 --> 01:01:10.320
it technically premiered. in Spain in October

01:01:10.320 --> 01:01:15.960
of 89. So for what it's worth, regardless, it

01:01:15.960 --> 01:01:19.360
was years after production wrapped on this film,

01:01:19.440 --> 01:01:24.420
which we stated did not do it any favors. So

01:01:24.420 --> 01:01:27.500
the film was met with generally negative reviews,

01:01:27.699 --> 01:01:31.659
but, but there were two, I say, sequel in name

01:01:31.659 --> 01:01:35.400
only films from Charles band. So for example,

01:01:36.090 --> 01:01:39.110
Crash and Burn is a film from 1990. It is on

01:01:39.110 --> 01:01:42.190
Tubi. I did watch it last night. Not the worst

01:01:42.190 --> 01:01:43.989
thing I've ever seen. It's not the worst? Okay,

01:01:44.230 --> 01:01:50.170
okay. Listeners, Robot Jocks is the godfather

01:01:50.170 --> 01:01:54.130
compared to Crash and Burn. Wow. Robot Wars.

01:01:54.190 --> 01:01:56.909
I don't know. Is that a hot take? No, no, no,

01:01:56.989 --> 01:01:59.230
no, no. You've just told me don't mess with it,

01:01:59.269 --> 01:02:02.570
so I appreciate it. Yeah. Don't mess with Robot

01:02:02.570 --> 01:02:05.639
Wars. Crash and Burn. If you have an hour and

01:02:05.639 --> 01:02:08.340
a half, you have nothing else to watch. But Robot

01:02:08.340 --> 01:02:11.260
Wars felt like, and this is not a knock, but

01:02:11.260 --> 01:02:14.519
like a sci -fi original movie from the early

01:02:14.519 --> 01:02:17.980
2000s. It was just kind of like, I see what you're

01:02:17.980 --> 01:02:20.440
doing, but it's not all together there. So after

01:02:20.440 --> 01:02:24.059
watching this the other day, I ended up purchasing

01:02:24.059 --> 01:02:27.559
a dual pack DVD of both Crash and Burn and Robot

01:02:27.559 --> 01:02:31.429
Wars. Amazing. I own Robot Wars. Remember. I

01:02:31.429 --> 01:02:33.889
have that. I don't own Robot Jocks. But you know

01:02:33.889 --> 01:02:35.949
what's really funny? You can actually watch Robot

01:02:35.949 --> 01:02:38.510
Wars on YouTube for free. Somebody uploaded the

01:02:38.510 --> 01:02:42.530
entire movie on there. There you go. Nobody's

01:02:42.530 --> 01:02:46.210
copyright striking that film. Nope. Not at all.

01:02:46.469 --> 01:02:49.070
Which is weird because Robot Jocks you can't

01:02:49.070 --> 01:02:51.309
actually find on YouTube, but you can get on

01:02:51.309 --> 01:02:54.010
Amazon Prime, you can get on Pluto TV and Tubi.

01:02:54.070 --> 01:02:56.570
It's just like, what in the world? Yeah. But

01:02:56.570 --> 01:03:00.519
the DVD or the Blu -ray is out of print. So it

01:03:00.519 --> 01:03:03.659
would seem. It's from Dream Factory. I was so

01:03:03.659 --> 01:03:06.820
happy I got my copy. Yeah, it goes for like $90

01:03:06.820 --> 01:03:12.059
on Amazon. I'm not getting into that. No. There

01:03:12.059 --> 01:03:15.880
are so many special features that I want. There

01:03:15.880 --> 01:03:19.320
is a commentary with Stuart Gordon on there.

01:03:19.380 --> 01:03:21.320
I almost rewatched it just to listen to that.

01:03:21.480 --> 01:03:23.940
That's almost worth it for me. Take my money.

01:03:25.049 --> 01:03:27.929
I'm seriously considering spending $90 to get

01:03:27.929 --> 01:03:31.010
that on Blu -ray. I'm embarrassed to admit that,

01:03:31.070 --> 01:03:33.690
but I thought about it for a second. I don't

01:03:33.690 --> 01:03:37.050
think I'm going to, but we'll see. I can tell

01:03:37.050 --> 01:03:38.449
you guys once we're done with recording on what

01:03:38.449 --> 01:03:43.849
I plan on doing with it. Wow. Can't wait. You

01:03:43.849 --> 01:03:47.250
just really love Robot Jocks. You have no idea.

01:03:47.690 --> 01:03:52.630
Okay. I might have an idea. Here's an idea! Oh,

01:03:52.650 --> 01:03:55.690
man. I really wish I'd have known that Robot

01:03:55.690 --> 01:04:00.909
Jocks made it to Blu -ray in 2023. Crap. Arrow

01:04:00.909 --> 01:04:08.289
Video has Robot Jocks within a bigger collection

01:04:08.289 --> 01:04:13.590
of Empire movies. Empire Screams. Yeah, yeah.

01:04:15.579 --> 01:04:18.460
that that's the one i might spring for because

01:04:18.460 --> 01:04:20.219
then you're going to get some other stewart gordon

01:04:20.219 --> 01:04:23.780
empire pictures as well yep i'm looking right

01:04:23.780 --> 01:04:27.219
now robot jocks it's got archive audio commentary

01:04:27.219 --> 01:04:30.860
with director stewart gordon archive audio commentary

01:04:30.860 --> 01:04:33.300
with associate effects director paul gentry mechanical

01:04:33.300 --> 01:04:36.480
effects artist mark rapoport and stop motion

01:04:36.480 --> 01:04:40.019
animator paul jessel crash and burn an interview

01:04:40.019 --> 01:04:42.280
with actor gary graham her name is athena interview

01:04:42.280 --> 01:04:46.440
with ann marie johnson I want this so bad. I

01:04:46.440 --> 01:04:48.900
paid $70 for this box set just for one movie.

01:04:50.599 --> 01:04:53.079
We'll all pool our resources to get it for the

01:04:53.079 --> 01:04:56.460
entire team. It's not a bad idea. It'd be like

01:04:56.460 --> 01:04:57.900
that episode of The Simpsons where they pooled

01:04:57.900 --> 01:04:59.579
their money for their Radioactive Man comic.

01:04:59.699 --> 01:05:01.079
It's like, okay, who's going to get it first?

01:05:02.840 --> 01:05:05.599
Yeah. That would be the only bad part, yeah.

01:05:06.019 --> 01:05:10.480
Trading it among each other. So now I have to

01:05:10.480 --> 01:05:13.039
ask, what's the most that you guys spent on any

01:05:13.039 --> 01:05:20.059
kind of DVD media? I'll go first, if you don't

01:05:20.059 --> 01:05:23.500
mind. I spent $400 on an anime that's only 13

01:05:23.500 --> 01:05:25.679
episodes long, and it's a mecha anime called

01:05:25.679 --> 01:05:30.159
Dual Parallel Trouble Adventure. And I bought

01:05:30.159 --> 01:05:32.739
it. It came in, pristine condition. It's like

01:05:32.739 --> 01:05:37.260
old school Genion packaging, and it's a giant

01:05:37.260 --> 01:05:40.500
bubble box, basically. and a month later they

01:05:40.500 --> 01:05:42.940
announced it as a re -release on blu -ray for

01:05:42.940 --> 01:05:49.079
40 bucks oh man but you can you have like the

01:05:49.079 --> 01:05:52.260
fan pride you know like you can be proud of yourself

01:05:52.260 --> 01:05:54.239
for like dishing out that much money for that

01:05:54.239 --> 01:05:56.519
i did at first and then once it got re -released

01:05:56.519 --> 01:05:57.920
i'm like you know what i feel like ripping it

01:05:57.920 --> 01:06:00.420
in half but i didn't it's still on my shelf good

01:06:00.420 --> 01:06:04.000
i'm happy to hear that yeah yeah i think for

01:06:04.000 --> 01:06:09.630
me it was i bought because they were out of print,

01:06:09.750 --> 01:06:11.789
and it was something that was on either Sentai

01:06:11.789 --> 01:06:15.449
Filmworks or another anime website. But Gatchaman,

01:06:15.630 --> 01:06:19.130
a .k .a. G -Force Battle of the Planets. I have

01:06:19.130 --> 01:06:22.070
that in my shelf. Gatchaman, the first series,

01:06:22.210 --> 01:06:25.650
is all on Blu -ray, which is great. But there

01:06:25.650 --> 01:06:28.590
were sequel series in Japan. I think one of them

01:06:28.590 --> 01:06:30.849
was called Gatchaman Fighter, Gatchaman F, and

01:06:30.849 --> 01:06:33.849
Gatchaman 2, I believe. So I bought those box

01:06:33.849 --> 01:06:37.110
sets. I paid like... For the bundle, I paid like

01:06:37.110 --> 01:06:41.809
$125. But there's a ton of episodes. So really,

01:06:42.070 --> 01:06:45.269
in the sense of it all, it wasn't that much money.

01:06:45.650 --> 01:06:49.309
But still at the same time, this is before PayPal

01:06:49.309 --> 01:06:52.889
and 4 existed. This is before it existed. And

01:06:52.889 --> 01:06:54.969
Afterpay. So I'm like, I can spread this out.

01:06:55.130 --> 01:06:57.849
Instead of like, well, I guess I'm not eating

01:06:57.849 --> 01:07:02.550
for a week. Yeah, that's so real. I haven't spent

01:07:02.550 --> 01:07:07.369
that much. I've asked for such things for like

01:07:07.369 --> 01:07:10.289
my birthday or Christmas. So I'm grateful for

01:07:10.289 --> 01:07:12.690
that. But I'm thinking just recently I spent

01:07:12.690 --> 01:07:16.929
35. Okay. So on Etsy, there's a guy who does

01:07:16.929 --> 01:07:21.250
custom artwork for DVD or for Blu -ray cases.

01:07:22.130 --> 01:07:25.849
And I just years ago got rid of a bunch of cases.

01:07:25.929 --> 01:07:28.690
I kept my discs of like the thing from another

01:07:28.690 --> 01:07:32.170
world and them, for instance. So I saw this guy

01:07:32.170 --> 01:07:36.179
on Etsy. I was like, oh. I want a custom sleeve

01:07:36.179 --> 01:07:40.940
for these 50s sci -fi movies. So it was $35.

01:07:41.719 --> 01:07:44.179
I'm like, I can't wait to see what he comes up

01:07:44.179 --> 01:07:47.360
with, though. And now I can put it on my shelf

01:07:47.360 --> 01:07:49.639
where it belongs, and it'll look pretty cool.

01:07:49.920 --> 01:07:53.679
That's awesome. Yeah, that is awesome. The first

01:07:53.679 --> 01:07:56.059
one that comes to mind for me is a pretty recent

01:07:56.059 --> 01:07:58.539
purchase. This also will probably make me sound

01:07:58.539 --> 01:08:00.599
like a huge film nerd, as all of us are, but

01:08:00.599 --> 01:08:03.179
there's a director I really love, Louis Foyard,

01:08:03.380 --> 01:08:06.079
who made a lot of like... silent French crime

01:08:06.079 --> 01:08:09.820
serials in the 1910s, like Le Vampire, Fantomaz,

01:08:10.039 --> 01:08:13.380
Judex, just like crazy surreal stories of like

01:08:13.380 --> 01:08:16.460
criminal gangs in Paris and like cops and like

01:08:16.460 --> 01:08:18.539
journalists that track them down. And he has

01:08:18.539 --> 01:08:21.840
a serial called T -Min from 1918 that has always

01:08:21.840 --> 01:08:23.699
been like really hard to find in the United States.

01:08:23.819 --> 01:08:26.300
And Gaumont, the French company, just put out

01:08:26.300 --> 01:08:28.159
a Blu -ray box set. And I was like, you know

01:08:28.159 --> 01:08:30.380
what? I'm going to buy the French Blu -ray box

01:08:30.380 --> 01:08:32.380
set. I'm going to watch this eight hour long

01:08:32.380 --> 01:08:34.390
silent serial and it's going to be great. Great,

01:08:34.390 --> 01:08:37.510
and it was. It was awesome. That's awesome. Oh,

01:08:37.529 --> 01:08:40.489
man. I'm so happy for all of you. That's good

01:08:40.489 --> 01:08:42.930
stuff. I'm still not as happy. I mean, that was

01:08:42.930 --> 01:08:51.909
a lot of money. You're a true fan. Yes. All right,

01:08:51.930 --> 01:08:55.210
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show notes. I've been saving this email we have

01:09:22.069 --> 01:09:25.989
for Menia's mailbox for this episode. So, John,

01:09:26.130 --> 01:09:30.159
you emailed Camp Kaiju. with a whole host of

01:09:30.159 --> 01:09:33.859
recommendations related to Charles Band and Empire

01:09:33.859 --> 01:09:38.439
Pictures. And this was even before I think we

01:09:38.439 --> 01:09:40.739
really started talking about robot jocks. So

01:09:40.739 --> 01:09:42.880
way to go, John, for being ahead of the curve.

01:09:42.979 --> 01:09:48.159
But here's what John shouted out. Robo Warriors

01:09:48.159 --> 01:09:53.539
from 1996, Crash and Burn, the making of Crash

01:09:53.539 --> 01:09:56.560
and Burn, and John sent me the links to all these.

01:09:56.800 --> 01:10:01.619
Robot Wars. Making of Robot Wars. John says Charles

01:10:01.619 --> 01:10:04.640
Band also tried kaiju films with full moon features.

01:10:04.819 --> 01:10:09.420
So we have movies like Zarkor, The Invader, The

01:10:09.420 --> 01:10:14.359
Claw, The Sea Monster. Just, I love the titles.

01:10:14.420 --> 01:10:16.659
Even if I know nothing about it, I know that

01:10:16.659 --> 01:10:19.119
I want to see these movies based on the titles.

01:10:19.859 --> 01:10:24.199
Zarkor is in Kaiju Unleashed. Oh yeah? That's

01:10:24.199 --> 01:10:28.189
a fact. Sarkor the Invader is in Kaiju Unleashed,

01:10:28.250 --> 01:10:32.630
and that story makes zero sense. You mean this

01:10:32.630 --> 01:10:38.289
Kaiju Unleashed right here? Yes, sir. Nice. No,

01:10:38.289 --> 01:10:40.989
no, no. This Kaiju Unleashed right here. Hey,

01:10:41.050 --> 01:10:44.310
how'd you get my copy? Are we in the same room?

01:10:44.949 --> 01:10:48.789
Oh, my goodness. Man, I don't need some dimension

01:10:48.789 --> 01:10:55.810
hopping, all right? Yeah. Everyone get your own

01:10:55.810 --> 01:10:58.710
copy of Kaiju Unleashed. Link in the show notes.

01:11:15.430 --> 01:11:20.369
Welcome to Poverty Row Studios on the other side

01:11:20.369 --> 01:11:23.229
of harmony. The stars were dimmer and the red

01:11:23.229 --> 01:11:26.250
carpets dripped with blood. Together we will

01:11:26.250 --> 01:11:29.029
watch the best of the worst. Movies known for

01:11:29.029 --> 01:11:32.250
their limited budgets, outlandish concepts, and

01:11:32.250 --> 01:11:35.609
questionable performances. But with enough haunted

01:11:35.609 --> 01:11:39.210
houses, zombies, ape men, and devil bats to keep

01:11:39.210 --> 01:11:42.810
you up at night. This is the Poverty Row Picture

01:11:42.810 --> 01:11:46.130
Show. I dare you to sleep through these nightmares.

01:11:52.270 --> 01:11:55.850
I am Peter Lorre. You may remember me from such

01:11:55.850 --> 01:12:00.430
films as Arsenic and Old Lace and The Face Behind

01:12:00.430 --> 01:12:04.270
the Mask. This week on the Poverty Road Picture

01:12:04.270 --> 01:12:07.770
Show, we will bring you another Bela Lugosi outing

01:12:07.770 --> 01:12:11.710
from Monogram entitled Bowery at Midnight, starring

01:12:11.710 --> 01:12:14.869
Lugosi and that zany cast of delinquents. Whoa,

01:12:15.010 --> 01:12:18.069
whoa, whoa, whoa. Let me check my notes here.

01:12:18.699 --> 01:12:21.239
Believe it or not, but Bowery at Midnight does

01:12:21.239 --> 01:12:24.619
not feature the Bowery Boys. In fact, well, yes,

01:12:25.420 --> 01:12:28.600
yes, it features an equally groan -worthy pack

01:12:28.600 --> 01:12:32.960
of the undead. That is right. Zombies, ladies

01:12:32.960 --> 01:12:35.680
and gentlemen, we have another zombie movie.

01:12:35.779 --> 01:12:38.640
But before you get too excited about this 61

01:12:38.640 --> 01:12:41.739
-minute film, know that these flesh -eating ghouls

01:12:41.739 --> 01:12:44.880
are saved for literally the final two minutes

01:12:44.880 --> 01:12:48.180
of screen time. Nevertheless, then... There may

01:12:48.180 --> 01:12:51.359
be some sadomasochist pleasure to derive from

01:12:51.359 --> 01:12:54.020
the rest of the film. So let me tell you about

01:12:54.020 --> 01:12:57.439
Bela Lugosi cutting a devilish figure playing

01:12:57.439 --> 01:13:01.300
two parts. That of a nice guy professor by day

01:13:01.300 --> 01:13:05.800
and his evil alter ego by night. It is this character

01:13:05.800 --> 01:13:09.779
named Carl Wagner who runs a criminal enterprise

01:13:09.779 --> 01:13:13.260
from a soup kitchen in the slums with more secret

01:13:13.260 --> 01:13:17.930
passageways than an escape room from hell. Dwelling

01:13:17.930 --> 01:13:20.670
in the cellar of this hideout is a drug -addicted,

01:13:20.789 --> 01:13:24.829
maniacal doctor who, unbeknownst to Wagner, has

01:13:24.829 --> 01:13:28.189
been turning the victims of gangland into undead

01:13:28.189 --> 01:13:32.590
fiends. In the end, with the police closing in,

01:13:32.729 --> 01:13:35.750
it is Wagner who becomes the final victim of

01:13:35.750 --> 01:13:39.949
these zombies. It is a juicy ending to an otherwise

01:13:39.949 --> 01:13:44.630
bland outing. Fans of Lugosi will no doubt relish

01:13:44.630 --> 01:13:47.310
the performance, but even for a monogram picture,

01:13:47.850 --> 01:13:50.590
Bowery at Midnight struggles to make sense of

01:13:50.590 --> 01:13:54.789
characters, relationships, or plot points. Now,

01:13:54.810 --> 01:13:57.810
if none of these things matter to you, Bowery

01:13:57.810 --> 01:14:01.630
at Midnight may be a guilty pleasure. In one

01:14:01.630 --> 01:14:06.310
scene, there is an Easter egg, a film poster

01:14:06.310 --> 01:14:09.649
for The Corpse Vanishes, that can be seen hanging

01:14:09.649 --> 01:14:13.340
in the background. All this does is remind you

01:14:13.340 --> 01:14:15.659
that you might rather be watching that cinematic

01:14:15.659 --> 01:14:21.060
car crash. It does feature a deadly botanical

01:14:21.060 --> 01:14:26.260
plot device. An orchid. But never mind Matthew

01:14:26.260 --> 01:14:28.680
and Vincent. Never mind what they have been telling

01:14:28.680 --> 01:14:32.539
you. My own pleasant plant pet has been nothing

01:14:32.539 --> 01:14:35.819
but kind. Oh, she may be a little protective

01:14:35.819 --> 01:14:40.140
now and then. What good pet isn't? Isn't that

01:14:40.140 --> 01:14:44.899
right, Lila? Yes. You must. You just be you.

01:14:45.039 --> 01:14:49.640
Spread your roots as wide as you please. Matthew.

01:14:49.960 --> 01:14:55.840
He is only jealous of your companionship. Anyway,

01:14:55.920 --> 01:14:59.239
next time on the Poverty Row Picture Show, we

01:14:59.239 --> 01:15:02.100
will discuss our second George Zuko picture.

01:15:02.180 --> 01:15:08.640
A film entitled Dead Men Walk for PRC. And by

01:15:08.640 --> 01:15:11.340
George, dead men will walk if they ever come

01:15:11.340 --> 01:15:14.300
near you, Lilac, with trimming on their minds.

01:15:19.020 --> 01:15:32.920
This summer, our world will come under attack.

01:15:33.220 --> 01:15:35.930
The mayor has declared... A state of emergency.

01:15:36.329 --> 01:15:40.770
By the most evil force ever known. He has armies

01:15:40.770 --> 01:15:45.649
at his command. And only one power on Earth can

01:15:45.649 --> 01:15:59.130
stop him. Welcome to my life. Now, the ultimate

01:15:59.130 --> 01:16:57.149
adventure begins. To the ones you love. Zeon

01:16:57.149 --> 01:17:02.010
forces yearn for redemption. Char, the leader

01:17:02.010 --> 01:17:05.029
of this rebel, has hatched a plan. We will discipline

01:17:05.029 --> 01:17:07.329
the people who continue to live on Earth and

01:17:07.329 --> 01:17:11.189
eliminate the source of any war. Under the guise

01:17:11.189 --> 01:17:14.569
of surrender, Zeon will make their final assault.

01:17:14.890 --> 01:17:17.430
What are they up to, Char? What do you think?

01:17:17.670 --> 01:17:21.909
Deeming earthlings so vile a creature. Char schemes

01:17:21.909 --> 01:17:25.470
to save the planet by destroying the people.

01:17:25.810 --> 01:17:27.649
The Earth cannot go on like this any longer.

01:17:27.789 --> 01:17:30.010
No one has the right to put you in that way.

01:17:30.109 --> 01:17:34.109
Only the Londo Bell, Amaral Ray, and his Gundam

01:17:34.109 --> 01:17:39.710
stand in their way. Fable suit Gundam, Char's

01:17:39.710 --> 01:17:42.890
counterattack. Saturday, January 4th at 11 p

01:17:42.890 --> 01:17:47.390
.m. The Don't Swim exclusive. Revenge is a dish

01:17:47.390 --> 01:17:51.640
best served. Was the other title that you said

01:17:51.640 --> 01:17:57.279
Craw? C -R -A -W? C -R -A -A exclamation point.

01:17:58.079 --> 01:18:03.739
Cray. Cray. I don't know if that's better or

01:18:03.739 --> 01:18:05.739
worse than Craw. I love it either way, though.

01:18:05.800 --> 01:18:07.659
That's an awesome title. Or is it Crenergizer?

01:18:07.739 --> 01:18:11.439
Because, you know, double A batteries. Could

01:18:11.439 --> 01:18:13.960
be that. Could be. The only Charles Band knows.

01:18:14.840 --> 01:18:19.119
Yeah. There's also, John also shared an anime

01:18:19.119 --> 01:18:21.350
short. I want to know if you guys have heard

01:18:21.350 --> 01:18:25.810
of it. Dragon's Heaven? No. No, but that does

01:18:25.810 --> 01:18:31.250
sound familiar. Okay. It's from 1988. There's

01:18:31.250 --> 01:18:34.229
a lot of cyberpunk mech stuff for anime back

01:18:34.229 --> 01:18:36.329
in the day. A lot of it you can actually find

01:18:36.329 --> 01:18:38.710
on YouTube for free because their licenses expired

01:18:38.710 --> 01:18:41.729
so long ago. One of the things that we talk about

01:18:41.729 --> 01:18:43.909
on our show is that there's a lot of stuff that

01:18:43.909 --> 01:18:45.930
you don't really have access to unless you can

01:18:45.930 --> 01:18:48.689
acquire it. Or if they put it on YouTube, because

01:18:48.689 --> 01:18:52.250
licensing, it's just a giant cluster. There's

01:18:52.250 --> 01:18:53.770
a lot of stuff that you just won't be able to

01:18:53.770 --> 01:18:57.930
get legally anymore. YouTube has a lot of good

01:18:57.930 --> 01:19:00.630
stuff. Sometimes I'm like, I feel like I should

01:19:00.630 --> 01:19:02.229
be paying money for this, and it should go to

01:19:02.229 --> 01:19:05.590
the distributor. But if the rights lapsed, there's

01:19:05.590 --> 01:19:07.510
a lot of good stuff on YouTube. It's a treasure

01:19:07.510 --> 01:19:11.829
trove, obviously. I think it's amazing. YouTube

01:19:11.829 --> 01:19:14.949
is pretty much everybody's go -to place. But

01:19:14.949 --> 01:19:16.090
like, you know, folks that are like internet

01:19:16.090 --> 01:19:19.170
savvy, like, you know, like, or like, like YouTube

01:19:19.170 --> 01:19:22.090
is also on your television, you know? So a lot

01:19:22.090 --> 01:19:23.810
of people are watching it there and not to mention

01:19:23.810 --> 01:19:25.850
the whole, they have their own cable service

01:19:25.850 --> 01:19:30.729
essentially too. So like it's, it has everything

01:19:30.729 --> 01:19:36.949
good and a lot of bad, but still it's like, it's

01:19:36.949 --> 01:19:39.630
the go -to place. For sure. You know, I'll take

01:19:39.630 --> 01:19:42.739
advantage of the internet archive. Not yet, but

01:19:42.739 --> 01:19:46.460
I hear it's fantastic. Yeah, I mean, I always

01:19:46.460 --> 01:19:50.380
just see if something's on there. I actually

01:19:50.380 --> 01:19:53.340
streamed Robot Jocks on the Internet Archive,

01:19:53.340 --> 01:19:55.680
and it was on there. I had to dig a little bit.

01:19:55.739 --> 01:20:00.239
I had to get past a French dub version because

01:20:00.239 --> 01:20:04.220
it's crowdsourced from the world. So somebody

01:20:04.220 --> 01:20:07.819
uploaded a French dub, and I was like, that's

01:20:07.819 --> 01:20:09.840
not the one I want. So I kept digging, and then

01:20:09.840 --> 01:20:13.069
I found the... Did you watch any of the French

01:20:13.069 --> 01:20:15.529
dub? I have to ask. I just skipped through it,

01:20:15.569 --> 01:20:17.649
but you know, I don't speak French. I just want

01:20:17.649 --> 01:20:20.350
to know how he says Achilles as you go. Achilles.

01:20:20.470 --> 01:20:24.050
Oh, that's good. I'm going to have to find out.

01:20:26.409 --> 01:20:28.630
I would watch it only for that reason. Yeah.

01:20:28.949 --> 01:20:31.770
Achilles. Yeah. Some things would translate.

01:20:32.109 --> 01:20:35.550
Alexander would. He transcends language. He's

01:20:35.550 --> 01:20:43.119
great. True. All right, guys, so the is the breakdown

01:20:43.119 --> 01:20:45.199
of our show. Now we'll talk about the good, the

01:20:45.199 --> 01:20:48.800
bad and the campy. We'll just go around and we'll

01:20:48.800 --> 01:20:51.699
start with the good. You know, just share what's

01:20:51.699 --> 01:20:53.500
really what you really like about this movie,

01:20:53.539 --> 01:20:57.699
what stands out for you. And we'll go from there.

01:20:57.800 --> 01:21:02.859
So anyone really dying to start? Oh, yeah. The

01:21:02.859 --> 01:21:07.119
stop motion is fantastic. It's by far the the

01:21:07.119 --> 01:21:10.949
visuals are. Just something that you can look

01:21:10.949 --> 01:21:12.930
at and be like, I'm going to sit down for a second.

01:21:13.010 --> 01:21:15.069
I don't want to I don't want to actually go anywhere.

01:21:15.189 --> 01:21:17.130
This is something that needs to stay on my TV

01:21:17.130 --> 01:21:22.069
and burned into my retinas. So absolutely. Just

01:21:22.069 --> 01:21:25.130
visually, it's a mess. I wouldn't say masterpiece,

01:21:25.350 --> 01:21:29.149
but it's it's damn near close. That's really

01:21:29.149 --> 01:21:33.149
the best thing that I can say. I will say that

01:21:33.149 --> 01:21:36.130
the chemistry between Gary Graham and Anne -Marie

01:21:36.130 --> 01:21:40.510
Johnson as Achilles and Athena is great. And

01:21:40.510 --> 01:21:42.869
they're not really on screen together that much,

01:21:42.869 --> 01:21:45.310
if you really think about it. An hour and 24

01:21:45.310 --> 01:21:49.390
minute movie. And you're dealing with a limited

01:21:49.390 --> 01:21:52.229
amount of time and in a very simplistic form

01:21:52.229 --> 01:21:55.689
of storytelling. But they really do find a way

01:21:55.689 --> 01:21:59.329
to give Athena a full storyline, even though

01:21:59.329 --> 01:22:02.979
it feels incomplete. you know because like like

01:22:02.979 --> 01:22:05.239
you know when she apologizes for taking the mech

01:22:05.239 --> 01:22:08.659
and kisses kisses achilles you're like okay y

01:22:08.659 --> 01:22:10.699
'all was just fighting like about an hour ago

01:22:10.699 --> 01:22:14.119
so you know what i mean so it's just like i don't

01:22:14.119 --> 01:22:16.199
know where this relationship is going but like

01:22:16.199 --> 01:22:17.960
it's clear both y 'all got something for each

01:22:17.960 --> 01:22:21.300
other so we just gonna let this slide but like

01:22:21.300 --> 01:22:24.479
it does beautiful things with little to no money

01:22:24.479 --> 01:22:27.399
and the thing is this entire film Like, watching

01:22:27.399 --> 01:22:29.220
the entire film, I was like, man, this is so

01:22:29.220 --> 01:22:31.460
cool. Like, I was so pulled in. And the only

01:22:31.460 --> 01:22:34.340
time I felt like, oh, man, this is cheap, is

01:22:34.340 --> 01:22:37.960
when they cut to the bar. When they first cut

01:22:37.960 --> 01:22:41.439
to the bar, like, I'm not saying that it needs

01:22:41.439 --> 01:22:43.739
to be Star Wars Cantina, okay? I'm not saying

01:22:43.739 --> 01:22:47.279
that. It's just that, like, the whole film is

01:22:47.279 --> 01:22:51.039
so sci -fi and so, like, the way it's filmed,

01:22:51.079 --> 01:22:53.640
the way it's shot, the way it looks, it has that

01:22:53.640 --> 01:22:56.720
look and feel until you get to the bar. And when

01:22:56.720 --> 01:22:58.420
you get to the bar, that could be a bar anywhere

01:22:58.420 --> 01:23:00.500
in the current United States of America. Yep.

01:23:01.039 --> 01:23:03.359
That's true. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The only thing

01:23:03.359 --> 01:23:06.500
it's missing is an Applebee's sign. Dang. You

01:23:06.500 --> 01:23:11.000
know? But everything else is gorgeous. Doc's

01:23:11.000 --> 01:23:13.659
one of my favorite characters. The fact that

01:23:13.659 --> 01:23:16.479
he talks about how people like... steal information

01:23:16.479 --> 01:23:20.640
and basically sign stealing, baseball term, stealing

01:23:20.640 --> 01:23:24.600
advantages to combat against other weaponry and

01:23:24.600 --> 01:23:30.199
stuff like that. It's great. And Doc kind of,

01:23:30.199 --> 01:23:32.560
once again, because of the limitations of the

01:23:32.560 --> 01:23:34.479
story, Doc is also kind of like a father figure

01:23:34.479 --> 01:23:38.060
to Achilles in a lot of ways, but it's real subdued.

01:23:38.539 --> 01:23:40.699
If people think Tex is the father figure, no,

01:23:40.739 --> 01:23:45.340
Tex is just the asshole. Like, Tex is the walking

01:23:45.340 --> 01:23:51.359
embodiment of, like, every 80s misogynistic male

01:23:51.359 --> 01:23:55.659
low -key racist dude. Like, he would legitimately,

01:23:55.800 --> 01:23:57.579
if he was in the Married With Children universe,

01:23:57.720 --> 01:23:59.899
he would legitimately be a member of No Ma 'am.

01:24:00.899 --> 01:24:05.739
Yep. You know. So, like, but, like, he's perfect.

01:24:05.859 --> 01:24:08.239
Like, he's perfect for the role. Like, everybody

01:24:08.239 --> 01:24:12.600
is perfect for their role in this movie. like

01:24:12.600 --> 01:24:15.159
my like and the thing is maybe it only being

01:24:15.159 --> 01:24:19.039
an hour and 24 minutes maybe it helps the film

01:24:19.039 --> 01:24:22.340
so like i'm so caught up in it and i'm like why

01:24:22.340 --> 01:24:26.800
can't i have more you know but like it cuts itself

01:24:26.800 --> 01:24:30.460
off at the right time you know so like i'm good

01:24:30.460 --> 01:24:34.100
with it totally i i love how i mean i love the

01:24:34.100 --> 01:24:36.619
style like you watch this movie if you don't

01:24:36.619 --> 01:24:40.810
understand that it is it is striving for a style

01:24:40.810 --> 01:24:45.029
a pastiche you know it's not cliche it's it's

01:24:45.029 --> 01:24:47.989
homage like it knows what it's doing and if you

01:24:47.989 --> 01:24:50.310
don't understand that you're not gonna this movie's

01:24:50.310 --> 01:24:52.250
gonna go over your head actually but if you're

01:24:52.250 --> 01:24:54.890
locked into it if you if you grew up watching

01:24:54.890 --> 01:24:57.390
saturday morning cartoons you're gonna be like

01:24:57.390 --> 01:24:59.329
oh i know what i'm watching it just happens to

01:24:59.329 --> 01:25:02.310
be live action so yeah the characters are larger

01:25:02.310 --> 01:25:05.189
than life but they're so grounded in the performances

01:25:05.189 --> 01:25:10.529
like tex and doc and And Alexander. I mean, these

01:25:10.529 --> 01:25:13.689
guys are cartoon characters in the flesh. But

01:25:13.689 --> 01:25:16.850
again, they're treated with respect and sincerity.

01:25:17.130 --> 01:25:20.829
Nobody's making fun of themselves, which is excellent.

01:25:21.569 --> 01:25:27.329
Yeah, the direction is so... The movie's so tight

01:25:27.329 --> 01:25:30.010
in its choices that it's making. And Stuart Gordon,

01:25:30.109 --> 01:25:34.970
he adds little things all over the place that...

01:25:35.600 --> 01:25:37.600
That will go over your head. But if you watch

01:25:37.600 --> 01:25:40.579
this movie more than once, you'll start noticing

01:25:40.579 --> 01:25:43.579
new things every time. And wow, when a movie

01:25:43.579 --> 01:25:46.180
does that, that's just something you can easily

01:25:46.180 --> 01:25:50.840
go back to. Like this time, I noticed that Achilles,

01:25:50.880 --> 01:25:55.159
when he's naked in bed and Athena's walked in

01:25:55.159 --> 01:25:58.819
on him, he takes his towel or his bed sheet and

01:25:58.819 --> 01:26:02.100
he slings it over him like a toga. And I'm like,

01:26:02.180 --> 01:26:06.449
oh, because you're Achilles. So subtle, but it's

01:26:06.449 --> 01:26:10.229
so perfect. Don't forget the foot injury of the

01:26:10.229 --> 01:26:17.890
actual mech. Yep, that's right. I love that my

01:26:17.890 --> 01:26:20.470
mind is blown. Robot Jocks has blown my mind.

01:26:20.670 --> 01:26:25.029
So, Stuart Gordon, the man knows how to make

01:26:25.029 --> 01:26:29.369
a good movie. A tight movie, whatever. But I

01:26:29.369 --> 01:26:33.420
love all that. I love the world building in this

01:26:33.420 --> 01:26:36.340
movie too. And I'm going to credit him and Haldeman

01:26:36.340 --> 01:26:39.739
too in crafting a world where Sean Childress,

01:26:39.760 --> 01:26:41.720
you mentioned this earlier, like, yeah, there's

01:26:41.720 --> 01:26:44.460
like things with the, with the, in the background,

01:26:44.539 --> 01:26:46.859
you know, that this future world is dealing with

01:26:46.859 --> 01:26:50.319
severe population decline, which is why they're

01:26:50.319 --> 01:26:52.899
creating people in, in quoting, you know, test

01:26:52.899 --> 01:26:56.239
tubes and they're doing their part. They're doing

01:26:56.239 --> 01:26:58.359
their part, but like that's the movie never harps

01:26:58.359 --> 01:27:00.100
on it. But if you look in the background, there

01:27:00.100 --> 01:27:03.500
are propaganda posters and there's the, the world

01:27:03.500 --> 01:27:07.100
is fleshed out, even if it's not spoken deliberately

01:27:07.100 --> 01:27:10.000
on screen. And I just appreciate that kind of

01:27:10.000 --> 01:27:13.699
world building. So I fell into that world. The

01:27:13.699 --> 01:27:19.560
martial arts is awesome. Sorry. Some great baby

01:27:19.560 --> 01:27:24.479
campy stunts and, and fight choreo. The humor's

01:27:24.479 --> 01:27:28.789
there. I love the anime influences. All right,

01:27:28.789 --> 01:27:31.710
I'll leave it there for now. Yeah, totally agree

01:27:31.710 --> 01:27:33.899
with all you guys. I feel like there's not. too

01:27:33.899 --> 01:27:36.399
much else to say in the good category, but yeah,

01:27:36.460 --> 01:27:38.680
I'll just sum it up by saying this is such an

01:27:38.680 --> 01:27:41.380
entertaining movie. As Sean, one of the two Sean

01:27:41.380 --> 01:27:43.939
said, you know, it's an hour and 25 minutes and

01:27:43.939 --> 01:27:46.279
that's perfect. It probably sounds a little obvious

01:27:46.279 --> 01:27:48.420
to say this is an entertaining movie, but like,

01:27:48.460 --> 01:27:50.439
I feel like that should not be dismissed. That's

01:27:50.439 --> 01:27:52.859
like the entire point of it. Basically it's,

01:27:52.859 --> 01:27:54.920
it really is like a Saturday morning cartoon,

01:27:55.020 --> 01:27:59.199
like comic book style. And that is not in any

01:27:59.199 --> 01:28:02.319
way a criticism of the movie. It's, you know,

01:28:02.880 --> 01:28:05.279
And just personally, when I watched it last night,

01:28:05.340 --> 01:28:07.300
didn't have the best day. And I was like, oh,

01:28:07.319 --> 01:28:09.000
I want to, you know, I got to watch this movie

01:28:09.000 --> 01:28:11.880
for Camp Kaiju. And like, you know, for an hour

01:28:11.880 --> 01:28:13.439
and a half, you're like, I don't care about anything

01:28:13.439 --> 01:28:15.619
else. I'm in this world. It's so fun. It's so

01:28:15.619 --> 01:28:18.060
beautiful. The characters, like you said, Vincent,

01:28:18.159 --> 01:28:19.739
are larger than life. There's a lot of humor.

01:28:20.260 --> 01:28:23.159
Yeah, it's like entertainment is a divine thing.

01:28:23.279 --> 01:28:25.079
And this movie offers a ton of it. It's great.

01:28:26.180 --> 01:28:29.380
Love that. Is there anything we don't like about

01:28:29.380 --> 01:28:32.470
this movie? The only thing. Sorry. No, I'm sorry.

01:28:32.550 --> 01:28:34.090
Go ahead. Go ahead. Oh, no, no, no. Go, go, go.

01:28:34.510 --> 01:28:36.069
Okay. The only thing I don't like about this

01:28:36.069 --> 01:28:37.989
movie is the fact that Empire Pictures fell apart,

01:28:38.189 --> 01:28:40.770
so it couldn't come out in its specific year.

01:28:40.890 --> 01:28:43.869
Like, that's really the only truly bad thing.

01:28:44.350 --> 01:28:48.909
That and the doctor that made all the Tubis.

01:28:50.069 --> 01:28:53.130
I understand the reason why they put her in the

01:28:53.130 --> 01:28:56.430
movie, but does she really need to be in the

01:28:56.430 --> 01:29:00.569
movie? No. Right. Yeah. Not to the extent that

01:29:00.569 --> 01:29:04.300
she is in the movie. You know, like that would

01:29:04.300 --> 01:29:06.920
be my bad. Like that would be the bad. Like that's

01:29:06.920 --> 01:29:10.300
not saying she did a did a bad job. It's just

01:29:10.300 --> 01:29:13.699
that the character is not needed because the

01:29:13.699 --> 01:29:17.039
two bees explain themselves. Right. I got a sense

01:29:17.039 --> 01:29:20.460
that this doctor is sort of like a mother figure

01:29:20.460 --> 01:29:25.680
to Athena. But the movie doesn't go into that,

01:29:25.739 --> 01:29:27.319
doesn't have the time, it doesn't have the budget

01:29:27.319 --> 01:29:32.960
to go into that dynamic. now lose it or keep

01:29:32.960 --> 01:29:36.100
it but yeah it didn't bother me but i know exactly

01:29:36.100 --> 01:29:38.720
what you're talking about yeah for sure so that

01:29:38.720 --> 01:29:40.720
is along the lines of what i was going to say

01:29:40.720 --> 01:29:43.199
where basically there wasn't enough time in the

01:29:43.199 --> 01:29:46.000
movie so all the world building that is there

01:29:46.000 --> 01:29:49.720
it just doesn't feel completely fleshed out because

01:29:49.720 --> 01:29:52.699
again there's a lot about it that just seems

01:29:52.699 --> 01:29:55.060
to be going against itself like you've got this

01:29:55.060 --> 01:29:57.779
you got this But it kind of contradicts it like

01:29:57.779 --> 01:30:00.020
partway through. It's like, I'm not sure if I

01:30:00.020 --> 01:30:02.640
if I understand that. And then you got the random

01:30:02.640 --> 01:30:05.819
scene with the death jungle gym, which is what

01:30:05.819 --> 01:30:09.439
I'm going to call it. What else? Love it. It's

01:30:09.439 --> 01:30:15.939
just like, why? Just why? There's no other question.

01:30:16.020 --> 01:30:19.340
Just why? That's the only real bad for it, because

01:30:19.340 --> 01:30:21.239
everything else I think can be pushed towards

01:30:21.239 --> 01:30:24.500
the campy category. I would just agree that maybe

01:30:24.500 --> 01:30:27.329
like. It could use a little more world building.

01:30:27.810 --> 01:30:29.890
There are themes in this movie, as we've talked

01:30:29.890 --> 01:30:31.909
about, that are like subtly alluded to. And I

01:30:31.909 --> 01:30:33.489
feel like maybe they could be a little bit more

01:30:33.489 --> 01:30:36.489
substantial. I think like the two, like I do

01:30:36.489 --> 01:30:38.609
understand, like contradicting myself a little

01:30:38.609 --> 01:30:41.329
bit. I love how just like fun and fast and like

01:30:41.329 --> 01:30:43.729
quick pace this movie is. But like the two bees,

01:30:43.770 --> 01:30:47.600
especially. the the test tube people it's like

01:30:47.600 --> 01:30:50.479
this is a world where like soldiers even if they're

01:30:50.479 --> 01:30:53.300
fighting in mechs are like you know bred for

01:30:53.300 --> 01:30:56.920
the specific purpose of like fight like conducting

01:30:56.920 --> 01:31:00.079
warfare on behalf of their nations and that's

01:31:00.079 --> 01:31:01.939
a pretty fascinating idea like i would love to

01:31:01.939 --> 01:31:04.239
know more about this world Maybe some of the

01:31:04.239 --> 01:31:06.000
like conflicts, we get that a little bit with

01:31:06.000 --> 01:31:07.840
Achilles, but maybe not all that much. And he's

01:31:07.840 --> 01:31:11.420
not a test tube baby or whatever. So yeah, that

01:31:11.420 --> 01:31:13.359
aspect of the world could have used a little

01:31:13.359 --> 01:31:17.779
bit more substance, I think. I have to say, like,

01:31:17.859 --> 01:31:20.699
it's it's a fine line between cliche and homage.

01:31:20.779 --> 01:31:23.539
Sorry, Vincent, I'm not. I agree with everything

01:31:23.539 --> 01:31:25.739
you said, but like it is a fine line to me. And

01:31:25.739 --> 01:31:28.859
it's like sometimes it's it's like this movie

01:31:28.859 --> 01:31:30.640
is trying to throw all the cliches. It's trying

01:31:30.640 --> 01:31:32.899
to fit them all in this movie. And like it is

01:31:32.899 --> 01:31:35.739
entertaining. Like it's it's fun, but it's like

01:31:35.739 --> 01:31:39.439
maybe a little more. There's originality in the

01:31:39.439 --> 01:31:41.479
visual style, maybe not so much in the story

01:31:41.479 --> 01:31:43.560
and the characters. That's maybe both a good

01:31:43.560 --> 01:31:45.739
and a bad thing, but that's what I would say

01:31:45.739 --> 01:31:52.939
for my bad category. For sure. The way... I don't

01:31:52.939 --> 01:31:59.600
like how... I would prefer if Athena had a little

01:31:59.600 --> 01:32:03.420
bit more to do with the final fight. The fact

01:32:03.420 --> 01:32:05.600
that she gets rescued by Achilles at the end.

01:32:06.180 --> 01:32:10.270
Just kind of... defeats the entire character

01:32:10.270 --> 01:32:13.149
arc she's had this entire movie where she's a

01:32:13.149 --> 01:32:16.569
strong independent woman with agency and she

01:32:16.569 --> 01:32:19.750
proves herself more than capable than anyone

01:32:19.750 --> 01:32:22.489
else sure she's a little impetuous but who isn't

01:32:22.489 --> 01:32:26.090
but then it just kind of fizzles at the end when

01:32:26.090 --> 01:32:28.270
she gets knocked on her butt and gets saved by

01:32:28.270 --> 01:32:31.409
the man I'm like well okay that was nice knowing

01:32:31.409 --> 01:32:33.829
you Athena all right there should have been an

01:32:33.829 --> 01:32:35.909
actual separate fight with her a little bit longer

01:32:36.439 --> 01:32:38.380
and then have him show up to where he can do

01:32:38.380 --> 01:32:40.520
his fight. I think so. I think they could have

01:32:40.520 --> 01:32:43.319
earned that a little bit more. Yeah. I was kind

01:32:43.319 --> 01:32:45.119
of hoping it would be a two -on -one fight, but

01:32:45.119 --> 01:32:46.600
maybe the movie didn't have the budget for that.

01:32:46.720 --> 01:32:51.420
No, that's Pacific Rim. Right, yeah. I was just

01:32:51.420 --> 01:32:53.920
going to say, like, a good way to, like, kind

01:32:53.920 --> 01:32:57.140
of fix that is, let's say, for instance, if Achilles

01:32:57.140 --> 01:32:58.619
does rescue, like, the quote -unquote rescue

01:32:58.619 --> 01:33:00.560
thing, and a puller out of the mech, and he...

01:33:00.750 --> 01:33:02.489
pilots the mech. And then they, you know, like,

01:33:02.529 --> 01:33:05.409
and instead of it ending with the fist bump and,

01:33:05.430 --> 01:33:07.949
you know, and, and whatnot, it can do the fist

01:33:07.949 --> 01:33:10.449
bump and then it cross fades and there's a gym

01:33:10.449 --> 01:33:14.850
and we just do straight up like the Rocky, the

01:33:14.850 --> 01:33:17.390
Rocky three ending with like Rocky and Apollo.

01:33:17.569 --> 01:33:21.310
You want to ring the bell? Ding. We can do that

01:33:21.310 --> 01:33:24.710
with Athena and Achilles because they got a relationship.

01:33:24.930 --> 01:33:27.449
It's all perfectly evident, but they still want

01:33:27.449 --> 01:33:30.050
to fight to see who's the best. If you ended

01:33:30.050 --> 01:33:32.409
it that way, I think that would clear up a couple

01:33:32.409 --> 01:33:35.789
of things. Dude, you need to write that. Don't

01:33:35.789 --> 01:33:38.949
get me started. I just might. That's it. That

01:33:38.949 --> 01:33:40.909
would have been such a feel -good ending. What

01:33:40.909 --> 01:33:45.050
could have been the sequel we never had? Speaking

01:33:45.050 --> 01:33:47.609
of, did you see what he had originally planned

01:33:47.609 --> 01:33:50.760
to do as a sequel to this movie? Oh, remind me.

01:33:50.819 --> 01:33:53.520
What was it? It would have been Achilles and

01:33:53.520 --> 01:33:59.079
Alexander in their robots versus aliens. What?

01:34:00.079 --> 01:34:03.939
Pacific Rim. That's Pacific Rim. Exactly. Yeah.

01:34:04.560 --> 01:34:10.199
But yeah, I like, I mean, Pacific Rim is not

01:34:10.199 --> 01:34:13.239
a sequel, but it's, again, how many movies do

01:34:13.239 --> 01:34:17.859
we have of this kind of people in giant mechs?

01:34:18.679 --> 01:34:22.260
fighting each other there's not many that i know

01:34:22.260 --> 01:34:25.319
of or at least not many to this level no at least

01:34:25.319 --> 01:34:27.680
not in the live action sense in the live action

01:34:27.680 --> 01:34:31.840
sense exactly so yeah i was also going to say

01:34:31.840 --> 01:34:36.600
the the sequence where achilles flies off into

01:34:36.600 --> 01:34:42.829
space okay i love i love that idea but you didn't

01:34:42.829 --> 01:34:45.310
do anything with it you just kind of flew around

01:34:45.310 --> 01:34:47.750
the earth and then landed back and i was like

01:34:47.750 --> 01:34:51.569
in the same exact spot which was hilarious but

01:34:51.569 --> 01:34:54.229
that but that's where i saw a budget limitation

01:34:54.229 --> 01:34:56.270
where i was like if this movie had been given

01:34:56.270 --> 01:34:58.369
more money we would have a dog fight in space

01:34:58.369 --> 01:35:00.329
like we would have something truly memorable

01:35:00.329 --> 01:35:02.789
but as it stands it's just kind of a throwaway

01:35:02.789 --> 01:35:06.710
sequence which is which just leaves me wanting

01:35:06.710 --> 01:35:10.880
more Yes. Power Rangers movie had a space sequence.

01:35:10.920 --> 01:35:13.399
It was a lot shorter, but at least they kick

01:35:13.399 --> 01:35:17.640
somebody. They kick somebody away. Yeah, that's

01:35:17.640 --> 01:35:22.159
right. I like that Power Rangers movie more than

01:35:22.159 --> 01:35:23.880
I expected to. We've covered that on the podcast

01:35:23.880 --> 01:35:26.140
in the past. That movie's pretty cool. Yeah.

01:35:26.220 --> 01:35:29.079
It's a fun movie. Turbo, not so much. That movie's

01:35:29.079 --> 01:35:31.600
a giant sex joke, but I'll discuss that later.

01:35:32.539 --> 01:35:40.279
Oh, the first Power Rangers movie. It's really

01:35:40.279 --> 01:35:44.920
got a lot of Toku behind. Not for the Power Ranger

01:35:44.920 --> 01:35:47.359
parts, but the non -Power Ranger parts when they're

01:35:47.359 --> 01:35:52.439
just the teenagers. It does a lot of very Japanese

01:35:52.439 --> 01:35:55.319
Toku stuff, which I didn't expect them to do.

01:35:56.060 --> 01:35:58.680
It flows pretty well. Ivan Ooze was a perfect

01:35:58.680 --> 01:36:02.680
villain. It does a lot of good things. Still

01:36:02.680 --> 01:36:06.869
has its flaws. Still has its problems. I adore

01:36:06.869 --> 01:36:10.810
that movie so much, man, man. Yeah. Yeah. I was

01:36:10.810 --> 01:36:14.569
impressed. Yeah. It's a, you know, it's a guilty

01:36:14.569 --> 01:36:20.189
pleasure of mine. So, well, okay. Now the campy.

01:36:20.590 --> 01:36:26.029
Everything. Just everything. Every single damn

01:36:26.029 --> 01:36:29.949
thing on that screen from beginning to end, you

01:36:29.949 --> 01:36:40.180
know, especially the, yeah, man. oh my god yeah

01:36:40.180 --> 01:36:45.699
yeah everything everything yeah um how many how

01:36:45.699 --> 01:36:47.300
many times can i talk about alexander i just

01:36:47.300 --> 01:36:49.279
want to shout out like he has so many memorable

01:36:49.279 --> 01:36:51.720
lines i'm gonna put those lines into this episode

01:36:51.720 --> 01:36:57.739
but my favorite is a one of the the tubies challenges

01:36:57.739 --> 01:37:04.739
alexander at a bar you touch me all right Sean

01:37:04.739 --> 01:37:07.779
Childers, I want you to say the line as Alexander.

01:37:08.100 --> 01:37:13.760
I will make your death interesting. I will make

01:37:13.760 --> 01:37:21.939
your death interesting. It's so good. Nice. And

01:37:21.939 --> 01:37:25.720
Achilles says to Alexander, you're making my

01:37:25.720 --> 01:37:30.819
beer curdle. Alexander says, you make my drink

01:37:30.819 --> 01:37:34.659
taste like blood. What does that even mean? It's

01:37:34.659 --> 01:37:47.979
amazing. Yeah, everything. Can we talk about

01:37:47.979 --> 01:37:54.479
Tex just offing himself? Man. The way he took

01:37:54.479 --> 01:37:59.720
that jump. If they had to put that goofy scream

01:37:59.720 --> 01:38:06.380
at the end of it. Yahoo! perfect yeah he just

01:38:06.380 --> 01:38:08.939
just jumped he was like well i guess it's time

01:38:08.939 --> 01:38:10.979
to die you know what makes that scene for me

01:38:10.979 --> 01:38:14.520
though what's that so you hear the thud and not

01:38:14.520 --> 01:38:16.960
only do you hear the thud you see gary graham

01:38:16.960 --> 01:38:19.100
and this other random dude just staring at each

01:38:19.100 --> 01:38:23.140
other for a second like yeah okay That other

01:38:23.140 --> 01:38:25.800
random dude is amazing. All of his facial expressions

01:38:25.800 --> 01:38:30.279
are marvelous. I could not take my eyes off of

01:38:30.279 --> 01:38:32.180
him whenever he was on screen. I love that extra

01:38:32.180 --> 01:38:36.000
whoever he is. It was great. Yeah, janitor number

01:38:36.000 --> 01:38:40.079
three. He got his SAG card with that moment.

01:38:42.959 --> 01:38:46.220
That leads me to mention, can I say one specific

01:38:46.220 --> 01:38:48.680
thing that was the campiest and most amusing

01:38:48.680 --> 01:38:51.720
to me, in addition to Alexander? All the reaction

01:38:51.720 --> 01:38:54.619
shots in this movie, particularly by the woman

01:38:54.619 --> 01:38:56.880
doctor that we talked about before, but also

01:38:56.880 --> 01:38:59.260
this other guy who's an older, kind of benevolent

01:38:59.260 --> 01:39:02.619
military commander or something. There's so many

01:39:02.619 --> 01:39:04.880
cutaway reaction shots where there's a mech fight

01:39:04.880 --> 01:39:07.260
going on, and then it cuts to one of those two,

01:39:07.420 --> 01:39:10.779
and they just give so many amazing facial expressions.

01:39:10.960 --> 01:39:13.659
I can imagine Stuart Gordon. And with those actors

01:39:13.659 --> 01:39:16.060
for hours on set being like, all right, give

01:39:16.060 --> 01:39:19.060
me scared. Give me concerned. Give me titillated.

01:39:19.060 --> 01:39:21.920
And like just how amazing those like shooting

01:39:21.920 --> 01:39:24.539
days must have been. It's so fun to watch those.

01:39:24.659 --> 01:39:27.539
I love it. Can we talk about the pilot suits

01:39:27.539 --> 01:39:31.340
real quick? Yeah. They just look like brake pads

01:39:31.340 --> 01:39:34.100
and all the other kind of different things that

01:39:34.100 --> 01:39:38.020
you'd see on a roller derby. Yeah. Very shiny.

01:39:38.779 --> 01:39:42.779
Very. Achilles puts one puts a suit on. It's

01:39:42.779 --> 01:39:44.640
not one of the shiny suits, but he puts his pilot

01:39:44.640 --> 01:39:48.060
like suit on that underwear. I just happen to

01:39:48.060 --> 01:39:50.500
be like, oh, all right. We free balling it. That's

01:39:50.500 --> 01:39:55.979
cool. You would. He would. He does not care.

01:39:56.239 --> 01:40:00.000
I do like the Achilles helmet, though. I do like

01:40:00.000 --> 01:40:03.199
that helmet. I thought that helmet. Yeah. I mean,

01:40:03.220 --> 01:40:05.260
again, the production design of all these elements

01:40:05.260 --> 01:40:09.640
are incredible. I wrote in the notes. The only

01:40:09.640 --> 01:40:12.560
finality is death unless you choose to change

01:40:12.560 --> 01:40:14.699
the path that ends the cycle of violence. And

01:40:14.699 --> 01:40:18.640
for Alexander, that whole thing is, I got to

01:40:18.640 --> 01:40:21.560
kill you. I got to kill you. I got to kill you.

01:40:21.579 --> 01:40:26.880
That's his whole MO. It's not just about me winning.

01:40:27.060 --> 01:40:30.159
It's to also kill you to ensure that you will

01:40:30.159 --> 01:40:34.140
never beat me. All I know is death. All I know

01:40:34.140 --> 01:40:36.640
is how to serve death. So then when you actually

01:40:36.640 --> 01:40:38.970
get to the part where like, Their mechs are both

01:40:38.970 --> 01:40:41.550
destroyed. And, like, Alexander's like, oh, no,

01:40:41.590 --> 01:40:43.350
I'm still going to kill you. Where's this pole

01:40:43.350 --> 01:40:46.409
at? And then, oh, fighting. And then, like, finally,

01:40:46.430 --> 01:40:48.510
it clicks in, you know, into Achilles' head.

01:40:48.510 --> 01:40:51.189
He's like, yo, man, we can both live, you know?

01:40:51.710 --> 01:40:54.670
Yeah. Like, I mean, if not, I will beat your

01:40:54.670 --> 01:40:58.310
ass. But we can both live. And then they both

01:40:58.310 --> 01:41:00.770
agree to it. And then they fist bump. And I'm

01:41:00.770 --> 01:41:04.989
like. Credits. That's it. And I'm like. We could

01:41:04.989 --> 01:41:08.289
resolve this like an hour ago. Yeah, but that's

01:41:08.289 --> 01:41:10.510
true. That was something I wrote down. Just like

01:41:10.510 --> 01:41:14.590
if you they are willing by the end and certainly

01:41:14.590 --> 01:41:17.850
Achilles to disobey their superior officers.

01:41:18.229 --> 01:41:22.789
And that takes guts. I mean, that doesn't not

01:41:22.789 --> 01:41:25.329
realistic, you know, unfortunately, because sometimes

01:41:25.329 --> 01:41:30.489
maybe the better choice is to disobey because,

01:41:30.569 --> 01:41:34.789
hey, we're going to live. I like that idea. And

01:41:34.789 --> 01:41:37.569
maybe that's Haldeman's influence, soldier Vietnam.

01:41:38.149 --> 01:41:40.930
I mean, so I think, I think if there's some,

01:41:41.069 --> 01:41:43.670
I mean, I don't know. I'm Stuart Gordon is also

01:41:43.670 --> 01:41:46.909
a very savvy filmmaker writer, but maybe if there's

01:41:46.909 --> 01:41:49.670
any deeper themes, maybe that's Haldeman's influence

01:41:49.670 --> 01:41:53.390
about classism, about, you know, the prejudice

01:41:53.390 --> 01:41:56.829
about test two babies versus the other people.

01:41:56.890 --> 01:42:00.810
And like, there's a lot of divisive character

01:42:00.810 --> 01:42:04.520
relationships between. The elites, the fighters,

01:42:04.720 --> 01:42:07.800
and then, oh, the poor people, the bleacher bums

01:42:07.800 --> 01:42:11.479
who are just in rags. And there's just a very

01:42:11.479 --> 01:42:15.399
stratified society here. And sign waivers that

01:42:15.399 --> 01:42:18.699
say, like, if you die, it's not our fault. Yeah.

01:42:19.319 --> 01:42:20.439
Which is so real. Yeah, they don't care about

01:42:20.439 --> 01:42:26.829
them. Yeah. I do think it's realistic. I'm not

01:42:26.829 --> 01:42:29.409
saying that sarcastically. I think attendees

01:42:29.409 --> 01:42:33.170
at NASCAR races have to do the same thing. I

01:42:33.170 --> 01:42:36.470
thought the scene where so many people are killed

01:42:36.470 --> 01:42:38.930
in the bleachers during the robot fight is a

01:42:38.930 --> 01:42:41.689
fascinating scene. We don't know much about this

01:42:41.689 --> 01:42:44.069
world, but the little bit that we do know, I

01:42:44.069 --> 01:42:46.289
absolutely believe that those bleachers would

01:42:46.289 --> 01:42:48.489
be set up there and there would be kind of a

01:42:48.489 --> 01:42:50.489
protective covering, but it does no good whatsoever.

01:42:51.029 --> 01:42:53.489
And of course, the government is like, yeah,

01:42:53.489 --> 01:42:55.640
well... got what they deserved like all of that

01:42:55.640 --> 01:42:58.600
seemed totally believable to me you know feel

01:42:58.600 --> 01:43:03.159
free to interject with anything else but let's

01:43:03.159 --> 01:43:04.979
go around give it our final rating Matt yeah

01:43:04.979 --> 01:43:08.340
as always at the end of Camp Kaiju we give the

01:43:08.340 --> 01:43:11.199
film a rating our highest rating is it's a timeless

01:43:11.199 --> 01:43:13.420
classic it definitely stands the test of time

01:43:13.420 --> 01:43:16.560
our second rating is there may be some antiquated

01:43:16.560 --> 01:43:18.859
moments but overall it's great it stands the

01:43:18.859 --> 01:43:22.390
test of time our third rating It may be historically

01:43:22.390 --> 01:43:25.149
significant or just fun, but it does not stand

01:43:25.149 --> 01:43:28.109
the test of time. And our lowest rating, it is

01:43:28.109 --> 01:43:30.630
not worth revisiting. It definitely does not

01:43:30.630 --> 01:43:34.350
stand the test of time. Should I start it off?

01:43:34.850 --> 01:43:38.229
Sure. Okay. So for me, I'm going to give this

01:43:38.229 --> 01:43:41.029
our second highest rating. Maybe there aren't

01:43:41.029 --> 01:43:43.350
antiquated moments. There are certainly a lot

01:43:43.350 --> 01:43:45.630
of campy moments, which is not a criticism, as

01:43:45.630 --> 01:43:48.180
we talked about before. Maybe I would have liked

01:43:48.180 --> 01:43:50.260
to see a little bit more originality, a little

01:43:50.260 --> 01:43:52.279
more world building. But this movie is awesome.

01:43:52.479 --> 01:43:55.699
It's just I'm not going to curse. This is a family

01:43:55.699 --> 01:43:57.859
friendly podcast, but it is just effing awesome.

01:43:58.119 --> 01:44:01.079
It looks great. It's so entertaining. I, again,

01:44:01.460 --> 01:44:03.220
didn't know really anything about this movie

01:44:03.220 --> 01:44:06.420
and I had a wonderful time watching it. So for

01:44:06.420 --> 01:44:09.439
me, there are some moments that are not as great

01:44:09.439 --> 01:44:11.680
as they could have been. But overall, it's great.

01:44:11.779 --> 01:44:15.539
It stands the test of time. Great. Anyone want

01:44:15.539 --> 01:44:19.350
to piggyback off that? I also agree with Matt.

01:44:19.609 --> 01:44:24.130
I feel the exact same way. The only thing that's

01:44:24.130 --> 01:44:27.670
kind of antiquated is the massages. The massages

01:44:27.670 --> 01:44:30.210
are important to the film because that's used

01:44:30.210 --> 01:44:33.350
for Athena to overcome that, but then her agency

01:44:33.350 --> 01:44:35.149
gets taken away by the end of the movie because

01:44:35.149 --> 01:44:37.409
she doesn't get to finish the fight. But besides

01:44:37.409 --> 01:44:39.989
that, like I said, with the exception of maybe

01:44:39.989 --> 01:44:43.529
two or three small special effects shots that

01:44:43.529 --> 01:44:45.939
didn't really look that good. Everything else

01:44:45.939 --> 01:44:49.760
is amazing. This is a fun and great movie. I

01:44:49.760 --> 01:44:53.920
can't recommend it enough. There's something

01:44:53.920 --> 01:44:59.579
about, as I said before, less is more and simple

01:44:59.579 --> 01:45:02.000
storytelling that can really push the story really

01:45:02.000 --> 01:45:05.720
far. And it leaves you asking questions in the

01:45:05.720 --> 01:45:08.779
best way and thinking about how would this move

01:45:08.779 --> 01:45:11.710
forward? You know, and like, I love films that

01:45:11.710 --> 01:45:14.449
do that. I do not. Everything doesn't have to

01:45:14.449 --> 01:45:18.170
be Oppenheimer. OK, you know, like it's so like

01:45:18.170 --> 01:45:21.470
it keeps it simple and I'm and I'm with it. And

01:45:21.470 --> 01:45:24.609
yeah, it definitely it's it's great. And it stands

01:45:24.609 --> 01:45:28.430
the test of time for me. Fantastic. What do you

01:45:28.430 --> 01:45:34.250
think, Sean Childers? Years ago, when I was a

01:45:34.250 --> 01:45:36.710
wee lad, this is a movie that I used to watch

01:45:36.710 --> 01:45:40.060
many, many times. as a little tyke growing up.

01:45:40.439 --> 01:45:42.319
But beyond that, now we're going to go into the

01:45:42.319 --> 01:45:44.680
American part. I haven't watched it since I was

01:45:44.680 --> 01:45:47.279
a kid. So a lot of it's held up in nostalgia

01:45:47.279 --> 01:45:52.439
for me. Rewatching it recently, there were, like

01:45:52.439 --> 01:45:55.079
you guys mentioned, a lot of moments where it's

01:45:55.079 --> 01:45:57.619
like, okay, yeah, this is camp, which is awesome

01:45:57.619 --> 01:46:00.239
because, you know, I thrive on camp. Just look

01:46:00.239 --> 01:46:05.539
at rubber. But then, as Sean mentioned, there's

01:46:05.539 --> 01:46:08.439
the misogyny aspect, which... That kind of struck

01:46:08.439 --> 01:46:11.819
me as a point where I'm like, like, yeah, she's

01:46:11.819 --> 01:46:15.180
a tough person. She does things on her own, but

01:46:15.180 --> 01:46:18.560
then it also does get taken away throughout multiple

01:46:18.560 --> 01:46:21.739
moments towards the end there. Despite all that,

01:46:21.739 --> 01:46:24.939
though, I still really enjoy this movie. I think

01:46:24.939 --> 01:46:27.500
it's something that I will continue to watch

01:46:27.500 --> 01:46:30.020
relentlessly and then probably circulate it with

01:46:30.020 --> 01:46:36.130
my yearly or annual Pacific Rim watches. So I

01:46:36.130 --> 01:46:38.850
rate it the second highest brand of hot dog stew.

01:46:40.810 --> 01:46:47.329
Nice. Yeah, I think you are all so correct with

01:46:47.329 --> 01:46:49.810
the portrayal of Athena there, especially at

01:46:49.810 --> 01:46:52.369
the end of the movie. But I'm right in line with

01:46:52.369 --> 01:46:54.430
you all. I think it's a I think this movie is

01:46:54.430 --> 01:46:57.329
a classic, not only of a genre, because there

01:46:57.329 --> 01:46:59.949
are so few other examples, but of like science

01:46:59.949 --> 01:47:03.569
fiction of a B movie. Just it's a simple story.

01:47:04.090 --> 01:47:08.010
Told exceptionally well. And all the talent cared

01:47:08.010 --> 01:47:11.189
so much about getting it right. And they do.

01:47:11.829 --> 01:47:14.869
And I've seen it a couple times. I'm going to

01:47:14.869 --> 01:47:17.149
keep watching it. And I bet I'm going to see

01:47:17.149 --> 01:47:20.550
new things every time I rewatch it. I got to

01:47:20.550 --> 01:47:23.149
be looking out for Achilles' foot wound, for

01:47:23.149 --> 01:47:27.170
example. And what else is at play? So I love

01:47:27.170 --> 01:47:30.750
it. Matt, I'm happy to share. I'm so glad you

01:47:30.750 --> 01:47:32.710
liked it because I love preaching the gospel

01:47:32.710 --> 01:47:36.470
of robot jocks and Stuart Gordon and all these

01:47:36.470 --> 01:47:40.010
dudes. So wonderful, wonderful movie. Wonderful

01:47:40.010 --> 01:47:44.590
conversation. Thank you, Sean and Sean. Truly,

01:47:44.750 --> 01:47:47.250
if you want to plug anything that you're working

01:47:47.250 --> 01:47:49.350
on that you want folks to check out, feel free

01:47:49.350 --> 01:47:51.390
to take a couple of minutes to do that. Alexander,

01:47:51.489 --> 01:47:55.760
you have the floor, sir. You will see. The brand

01:47:55.760 --> 01:48:00.020
new podcast season two coming soon of Big Mecca,

01:48:00.060 --> 01:48:07.260
but not huge. OK, I am done. How can you top

01:48:07.260 --> 01:48:09.420
that? No, I don't know if I don't know if I could

01:48:09.420 --> 01:48:12.600
top that. No, I can't. I feel bad for any of

01:48:12.600 --> 01:48:15.180
my neighbors because I live in really like thin

01:48:15.180 --> 01:48:19.840
walls. They're excited about your podcast now,

01:48:19.899 --> 01:48:26.329
though. No, they're not. Well, you can find me

01:48:26.329 --> 01:48:29.890
on the Internet. I'm on Blue Sky under Sean,

01:48:29.949 --> 01:48:33.829
S -H -E -W -N, R. Pryor, like Richard Pryor.

01:48:33.829 --> 01:48:38.470
Sean R. Pryor on Blue Sky, The Sean P. Show on

01:48:38.470 --> 01:48:41.289
Instagram. And those are like really the two

01:48:41.289 --> 01:48:44.090
main social media places that like I make posts

01:48:44.090 --> 01:48:47.829
now. I also have a website. If you want to see

01:48:47.829 --> 01:48:51.020
like. Like over 50 books that I've written, you

01:48:51.020 --> 01:48:54.119
can go to SeanPryor .com and there's a section

01:48:54.119 --> 01:48:55.779
that shows you every single book I've written,

01:48:55.840 --> 01:48:57.720
whether it's a graphic novel, a chapter book,

01:48:57.979 --> 01:49:03.159
a kid's book, a historical graphic novel, a book

01:49:03.159 --> 01:49:05.239
about Godzilla films and all the things that

01:49:05.239 --> 01:49:08.699
spawned after it. You name it, it's on that site

01:49:08.699 --> 01:49:11.439
and you can find out where to get my books and

01:49:11.439 --> 01:49:17.239
such. Yeah. And also like any bookstore or any

01:49:17.239 --> 01:49:20.199
bookstore website, like bookshop .org or wherever

01:49:20.199 --> 01:49:22.340
you go to get your books, you can just type my

01:49:22.340 --> 01:49:25.220
name and hopefully there's only one Sean Pryor

01:49:25.220 --> 01:49:27.279
and you can see like all the books I've written

01:49:27.279 --> 01:49:30.140
there too. That's awesome. Thank you. And I'll

01:49:30.140 --> 01:49:34.819
put links to your stuff and Big Mecca Not Huge,

01:49:34.979 --> 01:49:38.079
the podcast as well in our show notes. Thank

01:49:38.079 --> 01:49:41.529
you. Thank you both. Please have a good rest

01:49:41.529 --> 01:49:44.670
of your night. I appreciate your time so, so

01:49:44.670 --> 01:49:47.869
much. Oh, you're very welcome. No, this was a

01:49:47.869 --> 01:49:52.090
blast. Like, anytime I'm able to be on this show,

01:49:52.229 --> 01:49:54.949
like, it changes, like, my whole demeanor. Like,

01:49:54.949 --> 01:49:58.289
I could be having the worst day possible. And,

01:49:58.310 --> 01:50:02.590
like, since last night, since watching this last

01:50:02.590 --> 01:50:07.050
night on Pluto to now, I have just been happy.

01:50:09.440 --> 01:50:12.000
So, no, you guys are great. And I love what you

01:50:12.000 --> 01:50:15.779
do. And just keep up the great work. And I appreciate

01:50:15.779 --> 01:50:19.000
you. I feel the same because I was at work today

01:50:19.000 --> 01:50:21.579
and I wanted to slack off the entire time because

01:50:21.579 --> 01:50:24.119
I really just want to record as soon as possible.

01:50:24.479 --> 01:50:27.920
Because it's just being able to talk Mecca is

01:50:27.920 --> 01:50:30.460
always fun. But being able to talk Mecca with

01:50:30.460 --> 01:50:32.340
people who actually enjoy it, too, that's even

01:50:32.340 --> 01:50:35.880
better. Yeah. So, yeah, I was really looking

01:50:35.880 --> 01:50:38.890
forward to this. So thank you. Thanks, guys.

01:50:38.930 --> 01:50:40.829
That means a lot. Appreciate it. Thank you guys

01:50:40.829 --> 01:50:43.529
so much. And let me just say I can relate. Like,

01:50:43.550 --> 01:50:45.470
you know, all day at work today, I was like,

01:50:45.510 --> 01:50:47.590
yeah, not having the best work day. Cannot wait

01:50:47.590 --> 01:50:50.810
to go home and talk about Robot Doc. So, yeah,

01:50:50.970 --> 01:50:52.729
I can relate. And thank you so much. This has

01:50:52.729 --> 01:50:55.470
been an awesome conversation. Yeah. All right.

01:50:55.510 --> 01:51:01.409
Until next time. Bye! Kill it! I have already

01:51:01.409 --> 01:51:03.449
killed you right here.