WEBVTT 00:00:00.650 --> 00:00:04.410 Hey gang, it's Patrick from Gays Do The D. And 00:00:04.410 --> 00:00:07.929 Vincent from Camp Kaiju Monster Movie Podcast, 00:00:08.289 --> 00:00:11.570 and we are here for another crossover episode 00:00:11.570 --> 00:00:15.730 of Magic and Monsters, where we explore the wonderful 00:00:15.730 --> 00:00:20.609 world of creature features. On today's episode, 00:00:20.690 --> 00:00:23.230 we're releasing the hounds with an exploration 00:00:23.230 --> 00:00:28.109 of 1959's The Shaggy Dog. So, grab your popcorn. 00:00:28.780 --> 00:00:32.299 get your bowl of dog treats, and away we go. 00:00:32.560 --> 00:00:36.359 To all who come to this happy place, welcome. 00:00:57.799 --> 00:01:01.679 Well, hello there, Vincent. How's it going? Well, 00:01:01.679 --> 00:01:05.920 hello there, Patrick. Here we meet the meeting 00:01:05.920 --> 00:01:10.459 of two titans of the podcasting industry. No, 00:01:10.540 --> 00:01:13.120 just two people say that, and it's you and me. 00:01:15.659 --> 00:01:18.909 No, I'm sure there are... other podcasters who 00:01:18.909 --> 00:01:22.030 say the same thing to each other in basements 00:01:22.030 --> 00:01:24.810 all across the land. Basements throughout the 00:01:24.810 --> 00:01:28.049 United States of America. There are titans amongst 00:01:28.049 --> 00:01:33.650 us. I like it. I like the way you think. It's 00:01:33.650 --> 00:01:36.329 been a while since our last crossover episode 00:01:36.329 --> 00:01:38.689 of Magic and Monsters, and I'm glad we're doing 00:01:38.689 --> 00:01:41.109 another one because I really, I still haven't 00:01:41.109 --> 00:01:43.109 gotten the taste of Morbius out of my mouth. 00:01:43.189 --> 00:01:47.409 And so I'm glad we're doing a new episode. I 00:01:47.409 --> 00:01:51.230 did re -listen to it today just to remember the 00:01:51.230 --> 00:01:55.269 good times and all the laughs we had. Sure, sure. 00:01:55.370 --> 00:01:57.590 It was a fun episode. It was not a great movie. 00:01:58.629 --> 00:02:01.709 And here's the thing. Listeners, you know this. 00:02:01.769 --> 00:02:05.069 We picked Morbius kind of in a pinch. We did. 00:02:05.310 --> 00:02:09.349 So with that said, it's not like a purely Disney 00:02:09.349 --> 00:02:12.969 movie, right? It's a Sony production. Sure. Yes, 00:02:12.969 --> 00:02:15.449 it's Marvel. It's a whole thing. Yeah. But the 00:02:15.449 --> 00:02:19.229 shaggy dog. 100 % Disney. Like when you think 00:02:19.229 --> 00:02:22.680 of live action Disney movies. Oh, man. This is 00:02:22.680 --> 00:02:26.599 it. Classic. Classic Disney movie. We picked 00:02:26.599 --> 00:02:31.800 it very intentionally because it's... So here's 00:02:31.800 --> 00:02:34.199 a little background into my head of why I picked 00:02:34.199 --> 00:02:36.819 this movie. So Vince and I were talking about 00:02:36.819 --> 00:02:38.659 upcoming episodes. We were trying to figure out 00:02:38.659 --> 00:02:42.719 what to do. And the newest release, the remake 00:02:42.719 --> 00:02:44.919 of The Wolfman was coming out when we were talking 00:02:44.919 --> 00:02:46.919 about this. And I was trying to rack my brain 00:02:46.919 --> 00:02:48.680 like, what's Disney's answer to The Wolfman? 00:02:48.900 --> 00:02:51.840 And immediately I was like, The Shaggy Dog. Is 00:02:51.840 --> 00:02:56.939 obviously the answer. And I. My ignorant self 00:02:56.939 --> 00:02:59.800 was like. Really? But then once I watched this 00:02:59.800 --> 00:03:04.500 movie. Like they. They call it. They mention 00:03:04.500 --> 00:03:07.159 lycanthropy. Which is werewolfism. Like this 00:03:07.159 --> 00:03:11.840 is a bonafide. Werewolf movie. As much as you 00:03:11.840 --> 00:03:14.419 can get. Without saying werewolf, it's a weredog 00:03:14.419 --> 00:03:17.240 movie, I suppose. I'm so glad I've convinced 00:03:17.240 --> 00:03:19.800 you of this because you... I'm here for it. I'm 00:03:19.800 --> 00:03:21.780 in love with it. We both thought it was a funny 00:03:21.780 --> 00:03:23.780 idea, but I was like, trust me, I promise you, 00:03:23.819 --> 00:03:29.259 this is their answer to The Wolfman. Oh, good 00:03:29.259 --> 00:03:32.479 stuff. Okay, so do you have... So was this your 00:03:32.479 --> 00:03:35.039 first foray into The Shaggy Dog, watching it 00:03:35.039 --> 00:03:37.719 for this recording? Or had you seen it before 00:03:37.719 --> 00:03:40.039 as a kid? Or what's your history with The Shaggy 00:03:40.039 --> 00:03:42.550 Dog? I had never seen it. I'd always heard about 00:03:42.550 --> 00:03:46.969 it. Yeah. But no, I'd never seen it before. I 00:03:46.969 --> 00:03:49.509 remember the Tim Allen movie being released, 00:03:49.729 --> 00:03:51.990 though I never saw that one either. And what 00:03:51.990 --> 00:03:54.009 do you know? It's not even streaming on Disney 00:03:54.009 --> 00:03:57.409 Plus. Did you know that? So you and everybody 00:03:57.409 --> 00:04:00.770 else did not see the movie, The Shaggy Dog, starring 00:04:00.770 --> 00:04:04.030 Tim Allen. Yeah. So, I mean, I read into it. 00:04:04.030 --> 00:04:06.349 There's a reason, I guess, Disney. I mean, that's 00:04:06.349 --> 00:04:09.759 a whole thing. Disney, you know. Keep things 00:04:09.759 --> 00:04:13.139 from people. They do. They are good at sweeping 00:04:13.139 --> 00:04:15.120 movies that they're not proud of under the rug. 00:04:15.199 --> 00:04:16.319 But it's like, I don't know what you're talking 00:04:16.319 --> 00:04:18.100 about. That never happened. Let it fly. Come 00:04:18.100 --> 00:04:22.040 on. I agree. I actually think that just be, I 00:04:22.040 --> 00:04:24.399 mean, I know there's only enough, there's only 00:04:24.399 --> 00:04:26.639 so much room on platforms like Disney Plus to 00:04:26.639 --> 00:04:29.000 hold house movies. But it's like, I don't know. 00:04:29.399 --> 00:04:33.439 Why fully hide some of these movies? It makes 00:04:33.439 --> 00:04:35.060 no sense. Because it's not available anywhere, 00:04:35.220 --> 00:04:36.959 I don't think, the remake of The Shaggy Dog. 00:04:37.160 --> 00:04:40.699 But anyways. Yeah. Neither here nor there. Okay. 00:04:40.740 --> 00:04:42.680 So yeah, I actually do remember watching this 00:04:42.680 --> 00:04:46.360 movie as a kid. My dad is a huge fan of these 00:04:46.360 --> 00:04:48.620 old classic Disney movies, of any old movie, 00:04:48.740 --> 00:04:50.399 like anything black and white. My dad has seen 00:04:50.399 --> 00:04:54.220 it for sure. But he definitely introduced me 00:04:54.220 --> 00:04:56.399 to the Shaggy Dog when I was a kid. And I remember 00:04:56.399 --> 00:04:58.759 watching it again for this episode. I was like, 00:04:58.800 --> 00:05:01.360 oh man, this is fully coming back to me. But 00:05:01.360 --> 00:05:04.040 there were a lot of things that flew over my 00:05:04.040 --> 00:05:07.360 head as a kid, like the lycanthropy and shape 00:05:07.360 --> 00:05:09.360 -shifting conversation. And I was like, that 00:05:09.360 --> 00:05:11.339 just fully went over my head as a kid. I just 00:05:11.339 --> 00:05:13.160 remember watching The Dog because it was the 00:05:13.160 --> 00:05:14.600 cutest part of the movie. And, you know, that's 00:05:14.600 --> 00:05:16.699 what kids latched onto. So they made a movie. 00:05:16.740 --> 00:05:19.519 They strangely made a movie that was for kids 00:05:19.519 --> 00:05:22.220 and adults at the exact same time, which is pretty 00:05:22.220 --> 00:05:24.660 hard to do. I mean, I'm sure we'll get into it. 00:05:24.720 --> 00:05:27.420 But this movie is, I read a review. It's like 00:05:27.420 --> 00:05:30.300 three movies in one. Yeah. You've got like this 00:05:30.300 --> 00:05:34.860 gothic. haunted house spooky vibes in the beginning 00:05:34.860 --> 00:05:38.139 and then it becomes a coming of age story where 00:05:38.139 --> 00:05:41.259 we really focus on the teenagers and then the 00:05:41.259 --> 00:05:44.639 last third of the movie is a cold war thriller 00:05:44.639 --> 00:05:50.199 strangely eyes yep i mean i guess which makes 00:05:50.199 --> 00:05:52.680 sense but given the time it was released like 00:05:52.680 --> 00:05:54.800 the cold war was happening at this time and so 00:05:54.800 --> 00:05:57.139 it was sort of infused in a lot of movies back 00:05:57.139 --> 00:05:59.620 then but this was like very blatant like a spy 00:06:00.710 --> 00:06:03.050 Thriller at the end of the movie. I loved it. 00:06:03.170 --> 00:06:06.149 Yeah. I just wasn't expecting it in my Disney 00:06:06.149 --> 00:06:10.170 movie. For sure. For sure. Okay. So in Disney 00:06:10.170 --> 00:06:12.449 history, this is, for those keeping track, this 00:06:12.449 --> 00:06:15.209 is Disney's actually, interestingly, their very 00:06:15.209 --> 00:06:18.370 first foray into live action comedies. They had 00:06:18.370 --> 00:06:22.689 been producing live action movies since 1950, 00:06:23.170 --> 00:06:26.240 I believe, with the... Treasure Island was their 00:06:26.240 --> 00:06:29.079 very first live -action movie. Ten years later, 00:06:29.199 --> 00:06:31.319 then, they realized that comedies are starting 00:06:31.319 --> 00:06:33.180 to become a thing that people are going to. It's 00:06:33.180 --> 00:06:35.800 not just for TV anymore. People want to go to 00:06:35.800 --> 00:06:38.000 the movies to see comedies. And so Disney, this 00:06:38.000 --> 00:06:42.740 is their answer to a comedy for families as well. 00:06:42.980 --> 00:06:46.160 And they pulled out all the stars for this one 00:06:46.160 --> 00:06:48.920 at the time. Everybody who was a name, either 00:06:48.920 --> 00:06:54.709 on TV or a Disney kid, was in this movie. They 00:06:54.709 --> 00:06:57.649 were not pulling any punches here when it came 00:06:57.649 --> 00:07:00.550 to the cast. And it's a pretty stellar cast, 00:07:00.649 --> 00:07:02.189 too, I have to say. So I'll just go through them 00:07:02.189 --> 00:07:04.290 really quickly here, and then I'll let you talk 00:07:04.290 --> 00:07:08.000 about the production crew, Vincent. First off, 00:07:08.040 --> 00:07:10.240 we have Fred McMurray as Wilson Daniels, the 00:07:10.240 --> 00:07:13.959 father. Just a huge Disney's name. This was his 00:07:13.959 --> 00:07:17.519 first Disney movie, but he later became a huge 00:07:17.519 --> 00:07:19.660 Disney's dad, basically. He was in The Absent 00:07:19.660 --> 00:07:21.480 -Minded Professor, Son of Flubber, The Happiest 00:07:21.480 --> 00:07:23.680 Millionaire, lots and lots of things. My Three 00:07:23.680 --> 00:07:27.699 Sons was one of his biggest TV shows. Huge, huge 00:07:27.699 --> 00:07:31.879 star at the time. We have Tommy Kirk, who is 00:07:31.879 --> 00:07:34.100 playing Will B. Daniels, a .k .a. the Shaggy 00:07:34.100 --> 00:07:37.060 Dog, the oldest son of Fred McBury's character. 00:07:37.339 --> 00:07:39.720 He was Disney's It Kid for a very long time. 00:07:39.779 --> 00:07:41.420 He was in Old Yeller, Swiss Family Robinson, 00:07:41.740 --> 00:07:43.860 The Misadventures of Merlin Jones. The list goes 00:07:43.860 --> 00:07:48.480 on. He was front and center in Disney history 00:07:48.480 --> 00:07:50.839 at this time, so he was the star of the show. 00:07:51.579 --> 00:07:54.480 We go on and have Kevin Corcoran as Moochie Daniels, 00:07:54.480 --> 00:07:57.060 the younger brother, another Disney kid, old 00:07:57.060 --> 00:07:58.819 the other, Pollyanna, Swiss Family Robinson, 00:07:59.100 --> 00:08:02.500 the Mickey Mouse Club. Interestingly, his character's 00:08:02.500 --> 00:08:04.939 name is Moochie in this movie, and he was forever 00:08:04.939 --> 00:08:07.980 then known as Moochie from then on. No one really 00:08:07.980 --> 00:08:09.379 called him Kevin Corcoran anymore. They just 00:08:09.379 --> 00:08:11.259 called him Moochie going forward. Even, I think, 00:08:11.279 --> 00:08:13.920 on the Mickey Mouse Club, he was listed as Moochie 00:08:13.920 --> 00:08:16.160 instead of Kevin Corcoran, which is interesting. 00:08:17.230 --> 00:08:20.569 We have Annette Funicello, huge Mickey Mouse 00:08:20.569 --> 00:08:22.850 Club star at the time, everyone's dream girl, 00:08:23.009 --> 00:08:26.110 girl next door. She went on to do Babes in Toyland 00:08:26.110 --> 00:08:28.589 and basically all of the beach party bingo movies 00:08:28.589 --> 00:08:30.670 with Frankie Avalon that you can think of. She 00:08:30.670 --> 00:08:33.929 was probably in it, Annette Funicello. Moving 00:08:33.929 --> 00:08:37.210 on, then we have Roberta Shore as Francesca Andersey, 00:08:37.289 --> 00:08:39.370 who is sort of the love interest girl next door, 00:08:39.570 --> 00:08:42.389 another Mickey Mouse Club kid. We have Cecil 00:08:42.389 --> 00:08:45.529 Calloway as Professor Plumcott. Not a huge role 00:08:45.529 --> 00:08:47.730 in the movie, and he was not really a Disney 00:08:47.730 --> 00:08:50.190 actor either, but he was a big actor at the time. 00:08:50.230 --> 00:08:53.799 He had just, I believe... recently won the Academy 00:08:53.799 --> 00:08:57.100 Award for his role in Guess Who's Coming to Dinner. 00:08:57.120 --> 00:08:59.200 No, he didn't win. He was nominated for the Academy 00:08:59.200 --> 00:09:01.379 Award for his role in Guess Who's Coming to Dinner. 00:09:02.100 --> 00:09:04.460 And then rounding out the cast, we have Tim Considine 00:09:04.460 --> 00:09:07.960 as Buzz Miller, Will B.'s sort of best friend, 00:09:08.080 --> 00:09:10.500 question mark, known for his role in The Hardy 00:09:10.500 --> 00:09:12.600 Boys. And then he went on to do My Three Sons 00:09:12.600 --> 00:09:15.600 with Fred McMurray. And then we have Jean Hagen 00:09:15.600 --> 00:09:19.200 as Frida Daniels, the mother, the matriarch of 00:09:19.200 --> 00:09:21.440 the family. This was also her only Disney credit. 00:09:21.669 --> 00:09:23.610 but she was a big actress at the time. She was 00:09:23.610 --> 00:09:26.750 nominated for an Oscar as Lena Lamont in Singing 00:09:26.750 --> 00:09:28.450 in the Rain. A lot of people might remember her 00:09:28.450 --> 00:09:32.049 from that. So big, big, huge cast. Yeah. Lots 00:09:32.049 --> 00:09:35.509 of, like you said, young Disney stars. You're 00:09:35.509 --> 00:09:38.250 certainly the expert in that realm. I had to 00:09:38.250 --> 00:09:41.169 do a double take with Jean Hagen. Not sure there, 00:09:41.289 --> 00:09:44.789 but I watched this movie with, I watched the 00:09:44.789 --> 00:09:46.490 Shaggy Dog with Elle and my wife. And I said, 00:09:46.649 --> 00:09:48.850 that's, you know who that is? And she was like, 00:09:48.929 --> 00:09:50.429 well, she didn't know, but she needed a reminder. 00:09:50.529 --> 00:09:52.309 And I was like. what am I dumb or something? 00:09:53.509 --> 00:09:57.009 And I just felt very proud of myself for making 00:09:57.009 --> 00:09:58.950 it. I was like, there she is. Well, I mean, that 00:09:58.950 --> 00:10:02.370 was an iconic role. Like everyone who loves that 00:10:02.370 --> 00:10:04.409 movie and it just, yeah, she's so great in it. 00:10:04.509 --> 00:10:09.049 Absolutely. So good. Cecil Kellaway, he, the 00:10:09.049 --> 00:10:11.769 decade prior had been nominated for another movie. 00:10:11.850 --> 00:10:14.809 He plays a leprechaun in a fantasy movie called 00:10:14.809 --> 00:10:17.250 The Luck of the Irish. That's right. I've never 00:10:17.250 --> 00:10:19.789 seen it. Yeah. Sounds like it's a Disney movie, 00:10:19.950 --> 00:10:23.509 but it's not. Was the TV movie. That's what I'm 00:10:23.509 --> 00:10:25.629 thinking of. The Disney Channel original. Sure. 00:10:25.750 --> 00:10:29.889 Luck of the Irish. Very different motion picture. 00:10:30.210 --> 00:10:33.190 Very different. Then, yeah, he was nominated 00:10:33.190 --> 00:10:36.029 for Guess Who's Coming to Dinner a decade, well, 00:10:36.250 --> 00:10:38.789 in the 60s. It was like 1967. That's when it 00:10:38.789 --> 00:10:41.289 was. Okay. Yeah. My timeline is off. And then 00:10:41.289 --> 00:10:45.460 Fred McMurray at this time. This was his first 00:10:45.460 --> 00:10:48.039 Disney movie, like you said, but he'd been a 00:10:48.039 --> 00:10:50.320 long, he'd had a long history playing mostly 00:10:50.320 --> 00:10:53.440 supporting roles. He has the lead in Double Indemnity, 00:10:53.620 --> 00:10:57.460 which is one of the best film noirs ever made. 00:10:58.059 --> 00:11:00.600 And it's great to see him play against type because 00:11:00.600 --> 00:11:03.419 he has a very fatherly figure. But when you see 00:11:03.419 --> 00:11:06.740 him in darker roles, like Double Indemnity, it 00:11:06.740 --> 00:11:08.799 works really well. So, he does have some pretty 00:11:08.799 --> 00:11:12.639 good range. But obviously found his true calling 00:11:12.639 --> 00:11:15.899 with these Disney movies. Yeah, he kind of reminds 00:11:15.899 --> 00:11:18.759 me of like a poor man's Gregory Peck a little 00:11:18.759 --> 00:11:21.299 bit. You know what I mean? Yeah. I think I read 00:11:21.299 --> 00:11:24.240 Gregory Peck. Disney maybe originally offered 00:11:24.240 --> 00:11:27.580 Peck the role, this role, this father role. I 00:11:27.580 --> 00:11:30.399 can see it. It's funny you mentioned that. Yeah. 00:11:30.600 --> 00:11:32.220 Interesting. Yeah, I can see that happening for 00:11:32.220 --> 00:11:37.029 sure. But Fred McMurray was cheaper. For sure, 00:11:37.129 --> 00:11:39.090 for sure. And this act made him a household name, 00:11:39.129 --> 00:11:41.529 though, after he did Shaggy Dog, for sure. Right. 00:11:44.330 --> 00:11:47.590 Amazing, amazing. The knockoff Gregory Peck. 00:11:47.649 --> 00:11:51.149 That's right. If only, I wish. I wish someone 00:11:51.149 --> 00:11:55.190 would say that about me. Yeah, talk about the 00:11:55.190 --> 00:11:58.570 crew then a little bit behind the camera. This 00:11:58.570 --> 00:12:01.830 movie was directed by Charles. Barton this was 00:12:01.830 --> 00:12:04.529 his one and only Disney credit although I did 00:12:04.529 --> 00:12:08.429 search his name and I found a movie called Toby 00:12:08.429 --> 00:12:13.029 Tyler okay that is apparently from Disney again 00:12:13.029 --> 00:12:15.950 they're hiding stuff from us then because you 00:12:15.950 --> 00:12:17.690 can click on the link there's a whole Wikipedia 00:12:17.690 --> 00:12:21.730 page Toby Tyler or 10 Weeks with a Circus. It 00:12:21.730 --> 00:12:24.210 looks absolutely nightmarish. There's a giant 00:12:24.210 --> 00:12:27.029 clown and a monkey with a gun. Oh, my God. Are 00:12:27.029 --> 00:12:31.210 you looking at this? No, thank you. Whoa. Well, 00:12:31.429 --> 00:12:34.370 let's see. It's produced by Walt Disney Productions, 00:12:34.470 --> 00:12:38.649 Buena Vista Distribution from 1960. That's a 00:12:38.649 --> 00:12:41.129 Disney picture. Yikes. Okay. I'm going to have 00:12:41.129 --> 00:12:45.110 to look into this movie. This might be our next 00:12:45.110 --> 00:12:50.919 Magic and Monsters. I bet it's on Disney Plus. 00:12:51.000 --> 00:12:53.240 It has to be, right? Well, I don't know. No, 00:12:53.320 --> 00:12:59.379 it's not. Crazy. Okay, good to know. I wouldn't 00:12:59.379 --> 00:13:01.600 mind them sweeping this one under the rug. It 00:13:01.600 --> 00:13:06.379 looks horrifying. Well, Charles Barton did actually 00:13:06.379 --> 00:13:09.779 have... an association with horror as well as 00:13:09.779 --> 00:13:12.360 comedy. He directed, he was a studio director, 00:13:12.559 --> 00:13:15.320 like a director for hire. He directed a ton of 00:13:15.320 --> 00:13:17.840 Abbott and Costello movies, most of which I've 00:13:17.840 --> 00:13:19.779 never seen, most of which most people haven't 00:13:19.779 --> 00:13:23.159 seen. But one that a lot of people have seen 00:13:23.159 --> 00:13:25.820 is Abbott and Costello meet Frankenstein from 00:13:25.820 --> 00:13:32.460 1948. Truly not just me fanboying, but one of 00:13:32.460 --> 00:13:34.659 the funniest movies ever made. And if you like 00:13:34.659 --> 00:13:37.129 young Frankenstein, you're going to like this 00:13:37.129 --> 00:13:40.950 movie. It's all the classic monsters with Abbott 00:13:40.950 --> 00:13:44.929 and Costello and hilarity ensues. Yeah, it's 00:13:44.929 --> 00:13:48.269 worth a watch for sure. And then a lesser known 00:13:48.269 --> 00:13:50.830 film that I want to plug is Abbott and Costello 00:13:50.830 --> 00:13:54.509 meet the killer Boris Karloff. That's the name 00:13:54.509 --> 00:13:57.669 of the movie. Boris Karloff is the star. He does 00:13:57.669 --> 00:14:00.809 not play himself, but it's like a thriller comedy. 00:14:01.490 --> 00:14:04.379 If you find it, check it out. Good to know. I'll 00:14:04.379 --> 00:14:06.299 look that up. I actually love Abbott and Costello. 00:14:06.340 --> 00:14:08.779 They're, I mean, genius, genius, groundbreaking 00:14:08.779 --> 00:14:12.720 comedy. Yeah. And Charles Barton, I guess, had 00:14:12.720 --> 00:14:15.600 a hand in a lot of their success on the screen. 00:14:15.879 --> 00:14:18.799 Obviously, he's the director. So, he's well suited 00:14:18.799 --> 00:14:21.320 for something like The Shaggy Dog. I was laughing 00:14:21.320 --> 00:14:24.799 out loud all the time. And then I made the connection. 00:14:24.899 --> 00:14:27.070 I was like, oh. I guess there's a reason I'm 00:14:27.070 --> 00:14:29.730 laughing so much. The physical comedy in this 00:14:29.730 --> 00:14:32.549 movie is pretty great. And the timing is so great 00:14:32.549 --> 00:14:35.429 as well for their first venture into a comedy 00:14:35.429 --> 00:14:38.370 ever for Disney. I was like, it was impressive 00:14:38.370 --> 00:14:41.649 how things that they pulled off back in 1950. 00:14:41.789 --> 00:14:44.409 I mean, like the effects even were pretty remarkable 00:14:44.409 --> 00:14:46.990 in this movie. So well done to Charles Barton. 00:14:47.049 --> 00:14:49.149 Oh, yeah. I can't wait to talk about the effects 00:14:49.149 --> 00:14:53.360 in a little bit. So. Well, just, I might as well 00:14:53.360 --> 00:14:55.179 do that now. So, an actor you didn't mention 00:14:55.179 --> 00:14:58.600 was Sammy the dog. Yeah, fair enough. Plays the 00:14:58.600 --> 00:15:02.940 old sheep dog, the titular shaggy dog. That's 00:15:02.940 --> 00:15:05.940 right. That's right. Incredible dog. Like, crazy. 00:15:06.799 --> 00:15:09.700 Crazy the stunts that this dog was doing. And 00:15:09.700 --> 00:15:12.679 most of it is him. I don't, Patrick, apologies 00:15:12.679 --> 00:15:14.360 if I'm getting ahead of myself. No, no. I don't 00:15:14.360 --> 00:15:15.519 know if you've written any of this stuff down, 00:15:15.600 --> 00:15:19.379 but. No. I was actually surprised to read that 00:15:19.379 --> 00:15:23.539 most of the dog you see. is Sammy doing his own 00:15:23.539 --> 00:15:26.919 tricks. It's one dog. They had originally planned 00:15:26.919 --> 00:15:30.179 to cast three dogs, but Sammy was so talented. 00:15:30.799 --> 00:15:35.299 He just did it all. He even drives the car. Not 00:15:35.299 --> 00:15:38.580 really, but that is the actual dog sitting in 00:15:38.580 --> 00:15:42.059 the steering wheel. Yeah. There's a driver hidden 00:15:42.059 --> 00:15:46.399 under the hood, but that's the dog behind a wheel, 00:15:46.539 --> 00:15:49.259 which is like what everyone talks about. It's 00:15:49.259 --> 00:15:51.200 pretty remarkable, the shot that they get of 00:15:51.200 --> 00:15:53.059 that dog driving the car. Pretty remarkable. 00:15:53.899 --> 00:15:56.960 And I have to say, I didn't look into it. I should 00:15:56.960 --> 00:15:59.100 have. But the puppetry, though, so there are 00:15:59.100 --> 00:16:01.460 some scenes, some close -up shots where the dog 00:16:01.460 --> 00:16:04.299 is talking. And the puppet of the dog that they're 00:16:04.299 --> 00:16:07.360 using, I have to say, is pretty incredible for 00:16:07.360 --> 00:16:11.500 1959 standards. A couple of times I was like, 00:16:11.559 --> 00:16:13.740 wait, is that the dog with peanut butter in its 00:16:13.740 --> 00:16:17.240 mouth? Or is that a puppet? And sometimes you 00:16:17.240 --> 00:16:20.279 didn't know. I didn't know some scenes which 00:16:20.279 --> 00:16:21.659 one was the puppet and which one was the dog. 00:16:21.720 --> 00:16:24.620 So I was very impressed with what they did with 00:16:24.620 --> 00:16:27.840 all these special effects, puppetry, and the 00:16:27.840 --> 00:16:32.639 actual dog. It was very impressive, even for 00:16:32.639 --> 00:16:35.279 Chinese standards. There were a couple of scenes 00:16:35.279 --> 00:16:39.549 with an actor in a dog suit. Even so, like just 00:16:39.549 --> 00:16:42.370 the blend, the combination of techniques. Yeah. 00:16:42.490 --> 00:16:44.529 Really impressive. Very impressive. I think it 00:16:44.529 --> 00:16:47.210 sells it completely. Yeah. There's no way I could 00:16:47.210 --> 00:16:49.889 do that today with, you know, like with what 00:16:49.889 --> 00:16:52.289 knowledge I have of filmmaking, I still couldn't 00:16:52.289 --> 00:16:53.870 have pulled off what they were doing. It was 00:16:53.870 --> 00:16:56.850 incredible. Gotcha. Gotcha. I think you and I 00:16:56.850 --> 00:16:59.330 could actually play dogs though for about the 00:16:59.330 --> 00:17:02.190 same size as a sheep dog. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. 00:17:02.250 --> 00:17:07.799 I can play Sandy and Annie today. You know, tall 00:17:07.799 --> 00:17:10.420 people can never play a dog, but we could. That's 00:17:10.420 --> 00:17:13.140 absolutely right. Absolutely right. I am. I am 00:17:13.140 --> 00:17:15.819 notoriously known as the size of a sheepdog. 00:17:16.019 --> 00:17:22.660 So there we are. Oh, boy. So The Shaggy Dog was 00:17:22.660 --> 00:17:26.339 written by Bill Walsh and Lily Hayward. Walsh 00:17:26.339 --> 00:17:28.799 wrote The Love Bug and The Absent -Minded Professor 00:17:28.799 --> 00:17:32.180 and co -produced Mary Poppins. Hayward wrote 00:17:32.180 --> 00:17:37.140 for the Zorro TV series. The music in The Shaggy 00:17:37.140 --> 00:17:40.619 Dog was composed by Paul J. Smith, also did music 00:17:40.619 --> 00:17:44.240 for Snow White, Cinderella, Peter Pan, and Bambi, 00:17:44.319 --> 00:17:48.119 for which he won an Oscar. And I must say, when 00:17:48.119 --> 00:17:51.539 I revisited Bambi a few years ago, the score 00:17:51.539 --> 00:17:55.220 stands out. It's just really almost experimental 00:17:55.220 --> 00:17:58.680 in the way it's incorporated with the visuals 00:17:58.680 --> 00:18:02.240 too. It's just kind of like a symphony of sound, 00:18:02.279 --> 00:18:05.960 if you will. Yeah, he's known for writing these 00:18:05.960 --> 00:18:08.220 compositions that are basically another character 00:18:08.220 --> 00:18:11.880 in the movie. And actually, I mean, you don't 00:18:11.880 --> 00:18:14.720 notice the music a ton in The Shaggy Dog, but 00:18:14.720 --> 00:18:17.339 when it's there, it fits it. It's very complementary 00:18:17.339 --> 00:18:20.779 to exactly what's going on in the movie. So it's 00:18:20.779 --> 00:18:26.539 pretty cool what he does. So what do you say? 00:18:26.599 --> 00:18:29.339 Let's give a quick – I have a little plot scene 00:18:29.339 --> 00:18:32.160 breakdown of the movie, and you can – stop me 00:18:32.160 --> 00:18:33.940 whenever you want to Vincent, or I can just plow 00:18:33.940 --> 00:18:36.180 through the whole thing. Uh, if something strikes 00:18:36.180 --> 00:18:37.559 your fancy is something you want to talk about 00:18:37.559 --> 00:18:39.859 specifically. Otherwise I'll just, well, I was 00:18:39.859 --> 00:18:42.200 wondering if, if, yeah, we wanted to take our 00:18:42.200 --> 00:18:46.859 time through this and relive the moments. Absolutely. 00:18:47.180 --> 00:18:51.059 Absolutely. This is a movie I wish, well, I did 00:18:51.059 --> 00:18:54.140 not see it alone, so I'm really glad, but I would, 00:18:54.160 --> 00:18:56.119 I would also watch this movie with a group of 00:18:56.119 --> 00:19:01.049 people who are slightly inebriated because It's 00:19:01.049 --> 00:19:04.910 just a hoot. That's a perfect word for it. It 00:19:04.910 --> 00:19:06.990 is a hoot of a movie, I have to say. Oh, my gosh. 00:19:07.049 --> 00:19:09.029 It's just a delight. It's a delight of a movie. 00:19:09.769 --> 00:19:12.069 Okay, yeah, fair enough. Okay, so we open up 00:19:12.069 --> 00:19:16.109 with a classic 1950s, 1960s sort of opening credits 00:19:16.109 --> 00:19:19.170 with this animated, or was it, I couldn't tell 00:19:19.170 --> 00:19:23.049 if it was like stop motion, claymation kind of. 00:19:23.130 --> 00:19:25.150 Anyways, these opening credits with the Shaggy 00:19:25.150 --> 00:19:28.799 Dog and this. Just wonderful, wonderful, very 00:19:28.799 --> 00:19:31.480 50s and 60s Shaggy Dog theme song where they're 00:19:31.480 --> 00:19:34.880 basically just saying, Shaggy Dog, Shaggy Dog. 00:19:35.019 --> 00:19:40.759 I mean, it's just horribly written, but so delightful 00:19:40.759 --> 00:19:44.220 at the same time. So delightful. Monster movie 00:19:44.220 --> 00:19:48.299 connection here. Yeah. This was a fad in these 00:19:48.299 --> 00:19:52.019 types of movies to have a tie -in theme song. 00:19:52.599 --> 00:19:54.839 Because it's all marketing, right? You want to 00:19:54.839 --> 00:19:57.589 make... sure that you're now on the radio and 00:19:57.589 --> 00:20:01.109 you have a number one hit for sure oh like 1958's 00:20:01.109 --> 00:20:04.910 the blob has its own theme song written by burt 00:20:04.910 --> 00:20:08.470 baccarat oh my gosh yeah on my halloween playlist 00:20:08.470 --> 00:20:13.470 and there's like the purple people eater there's 00:20:13.470 --> 00:20:16.509 there's like a whole it was a thing so the shaggy 00:20:16.509 --> 00:20:20.119 dog fits right in with the the overall tenor 00:20:20.119 --> 00:20:23.980 of the times absolutely absolutely uh okay so 00:20:23.980 --> 00:20:27.259 theme song happens uh the film then opens on 00:20:27.259 --> 00:20:30.339 this very classic 1950s suburb with uh strangely 00:20:30.339 --> 00:20:32.859 a narrator in the very beginning that we never 00:20:32.859 --> 00:20:35.640 hear from again ever again that's you know you're 00:20:35.640 --> 00:20:38.460 right wow you're bringing it back yeah yeah but 00:20:38.460 --> 00:20:44.930 it's very like 1950s suburban yeah um Yeah, exactly. 00:20:45.190 --> 00:20:48.890 Just setting the scene for us. So the narrator 00:20:48.890 --> 00:20:51.589 introduces us to Wilson Daniels, played by Fred 00:20:51.589 --> 00:20:54.029 McBurry. We learn that he's a retired mailman 00:20:54.029 --> 00:20:57.430 with an aversion to dogs. He itches and hates 00:20:57.430 --> 00:21:00.410 dogs and he doesn't like them. AKA, he's a mailman. 00:21:00.509 --> 00:21:04.859 Very classic. Setting up for a comedy. He's trying 00:21:04.859 --> 00:21:07.279 to enjoy a quiet morning with his wife, but his 00:21:07.279 --> 00:21:09.099 peace is shattered when he spots a stray dog 00:21:09.099 --> 00:21:11.359 on the lawn, which reignites his sort of canine 00:21:11.359 --> 00:21:14.759 -related anxieties. Just very, very setting the 00:21:14.759 --> 00:21:17.599 scene for this. He's having breakfast with his 00:21:17.599 --> 00:21:20.259 wife, and then there's an explosion. So, meanwhile, 00:21:20.500 --> 00:21:23.099 we'll be Daniels. Were you going to say something, 00:21:23.140 --> 00:21:27.009 Vincent? The explosion. You're understating it 00:21:27.009 --> 00:21:32.250 there, my friend. Fair, fair. Okay, so we learn 00:21:32.250 --> 00:21:35.789 that Wilby and his brother, Moochie, are in the 00:21:35.789 --> 00:21:38.109 basement experimenting on some sort of a missile 00:21:38.109 --> 00:21:41.869 project that doesn't seem to concern the mom 00:21:41.869 --> 00:21:45.170 at all. As you do, right? It's Cold War, baby. 00:21:45.250 --> 00:21:47.549 We all got missiles. That's right. That's right. 00:21:48.170 --> 00:21:51.230 And so then the house starts to shake. And you're 00:21:51.230 --> 00:21:53.789 right, Vincent, when I say shake, I mean, it's 00:21:53.789 --> 00:21:57.210 just, it's as though they're on a ship at sea 00:21:57.210 --> 00:22:02.269 and everything is just shattering, just comic 00:22:02.269 --> 00:22:04.549 gold for physical comedy. Like they're catching 00:22:04.549 --> 00:22:07.950 plates off of tables. It's very Mary Poppins 00:22:07.950 --> 00:22:10.490 when the cannon goes off in Mary Poppins. It's 00:22:10.490 --> 00:22:12.930 very Disney, I felt like. Very much so. Everything 00:22:12.930 --> 00:22:16.069 is a practical set piece that is shaking. I'm 00:22:16.069 --> 00:22:19.390 sure there were like a... 10 or 11 men behind 00:22:19.390 --> 00:22:21.250 the scenes just moving everything at the same 00:22:21.250 --> 00:22:23.869 time. It was pretty funny. It was pretty funny. 00:22:23.930 --> 00:22:26.609 So we learned that this experiment is clearly 00:22:26.609 --> 00:22:30.009 going wrong. And Wilby and his brother managed 00:22:30.009 --> 00:22:34.349 to launch a missile from the house straight up 00:22:34.349 --> 00:22:36.369 into the sky, out of the house, destroying the 00:22:36.369 --> 00:22:38.589 roof. I imagine the inside of the house too, 00:22:38.630 --> 00:22:40.309 but the next time we see the house, it's very 00:22:40.309 --> 00:22:42.730 put together. What happened to the missile? No 00:22:42.730 --> 00:22:47.140 idea. Oh my gosh. It just launches into space 00:22:47.140 --> 00:22:49.680 and we've never seen it again. They could have 00:22:49.680 --> 00:22:51.839 set off World War III with that thing. This may 00:22:51.839 --> 00:22:55.440 be what ended the Cold War. Who knows? I have 00:22:55.440 --> 00:22:59.740 no idea. It's pretty wild. It's pretty wild. 00:23:04.779 --> 00:23:08.680 The dad is reasonably upset with Wilby. And he 00:23:08.680 --> 00:23:10.940 tells him he's done with this. He has to clean 00:23:10.940 --> 00:23:13.420 out the basement. No more experiments. You can't 00:23:13.420 --> 00:23:15.039 be a smart kid anymore. You can't be a curious 00:23:15.039 --> 00:23:18.539 kid anymore. Very just sort of trying to stifle 00:23:18.539 --> 00:23:23.079 him a little bit. So the next scene we have is 00:23:23.079 --> 00:23:26.500 Wilby's friend, I guess. They keep calling him 00:23:26.500 --> 00:23:29.119 his friend, but they are clearly they don't like 00:23:29.119 --> 00:23:33.950 each other. But his friend Buzz. Pulls up, speeds 00:23:33.950 --> 00:23:36.009 up in his car to take out the neighbor girl, 00:23:36.109 --> 00:23:38.750 Allison, played by Annette Fulicello, out on 00:23:38.750 --> 00:23:40.869 a date. The two argue over which of them gets 00:23:40.869 --> 00:23:44.009 to take her out until suddenly this new neighbor 00:23:44.009 --> 00:23:47.009 arrives, Dr. Mikhail Andrusy and his adopted 00:23:47.009 --> 00:23:50.390 daughter, strangely, Francesca, and their shaggy 00:23:50.390 --> 00:23:54.170 English sheepdog, Chiffon, who's adorable. You 00:23:54.170 --> 00:23:56.730 immediately fall in love with this dog. But you 00:23:56.730 --> 00:23:58.369 also immediately know, uh -oh, there's a dog 00:23:58.369 --> 00:24:01.650 next door. Things are starting to boil over already. 00:24:02.029 --> 00:24:05.009 Two thoughts, Patrick. Yeah. One more missile 00:24:05.009 --> 00:24:08.750 thought. The kids and it's the aftermath. The 00:24:08.750 --> 00:24:12.130 kids are fixing the roof. This is true. Yeah. 00:24:12.250 --> 00:24:17.490 Yeah. With like plaster and brushes. Oh, wow. 00:24:17.650 --> 00:24:20.410 Kids. I mean, we have it easy these days. Kids 00:24:20.410 --> 00:24:22.710 back then had to fix their own roofs. Yeah. There 00:24:22.710 --> 00:24:24.910 was like a 15 year old and a seven year old on 00:24:24.910 --> 00:24:29.369 the roof fixing it. not doing a great job either 00:24:29.369 --> 00:24:31.410 because they almost hit the dad in the head with 00:24:31.410 --> 00:24:33.869 a hammer uh it's yeah it's just it's wonderful 00:24:33.869 --> 00:24:37.490 it's just and then you know just keeping in the 00:24:37.490 --> 00:24:40.849 spirit of recklessness yeah buzz pulls up in 00:24:40.849 --> 00:24:44.289 like this hot rod like think of beach boys he's 00:24:44.289 --> 00:24:47.329 just like this souped up really cool looking 00:24:47.329 --> 00:24:50.109 car but you know yeah no seat belts and also 00:24:50.109 --> 00:24:54.630 he and the other kids they look like they're 00:24:54.630 --> 00:24:57.549 14 15 years old and i say that because i'm used 00:24:57.549 --> 00:25:01.150 to seeing teenagers played by adults so like 00:25:01.150 --> 00:25:05.630 a 15 year old looks older but in the shaggy dog 00:25:05.630 --> 00:25:09.130 no they got like legit teenagers right oh yeah 00:25:09.130 --> 00:25:10.910 yeah all these kids yeah they were mickey the 00:25:10.910 --> 00:25:12.650 mickey mouse club was in this movie basically 00:25:12.650 --> 00:25:15.329 they look like babies yeah for sure i both love 00:25:15.329 --> 00:25:18.859 and also find distracting oh interesting okay 00:25:18.859 --> 00:25:21.640 fair yeah you're driving this car you're doing 00:25:21.640 --> 00:25:23.579 all these things but like you're such a baby 00:25:23.579 --> 00:25:25.940 you're a baby yeah that is an interesting sign 00:25:25.940 --> 00:25:28.680 of the times is in that in that era like people 00:25:28.680 --> 00:25:30.779 were cast based on the age that they actually 00:25:30.779 --> 00:25:34.359 were strangely yeah and they were good too like 00:25:34.359 --> 00:25:36.519 the kids were good actors in this in this movie 00:25:36.519 --> 00:25:38.299 even little moochie he was like seven eight years 00:25:38.299 --> 00:25:40.000 old i thought he was great in this movie yeah 00:25:40.000 --> 00:25:42.390 just a thought Yeah, no, I love that. That's 00:25:42.390 --> 00:25:45.230 a really good point. Okay, so this new girl, 00:25:45.349 --> 00:25:48.029 Francesca, arrives and suddenly Will B and Buzz 00:25:48.029 --> 00:25:51.250 are no longer interested in Allison, played by 00:25:51.250 --> 00:25:53.990 Annette Funchal. Or Allison at first. I mean, 00:25:54.009 --> 00:25:56.670 she gets her, you know, she comes out on top 00:25:56.670 --> 00:25:59.450 in the end. She figures it out. Yeah, she kind 00:25:59.450 --> 00:26:02.910 of wins in the end, but she just is cast aside 00:26:02.910 --> 00:26:07.900 immediately. By their newfound affection for 00:26:07.900 --> 00:26:10.319 Francesca, who speaks French. So apparently that 00:26:10.319 --> 00:26:13.420 makes her sexy, I guess, in this movie. She's 00:26:13.420 --> 00:26:15.160 sophisticated, I guess, is what they're both 00:26:15.160 --> 00:26:18.420 sort of attracted to. French equals fancy, sophisticated. 00:26:18.720 --> 00:26:23.839 Yes. Two dum -dums who stutter over their words 00:26:23.839 --> 00:26:27.079 when they first meet her. Right. Oh, no, because 00:26:27.079 --> 00:26:30.279 they think she only speaks French. That's right. 00:26:30.359 --> 00:26:32.480 So they start speaking as you would to somebody 00:26:32.480 --> 00:26:37.539 in a foreign language, like, hello, I saved dog, 00:26:37.940 --> 00:26:41.079 or something like that. And Francesca, right, 00:26:41.119 --> 00:26:44.759 Francesca? Yes. Yeah. She says to her butler 00:26:44.759 --> 00:26:48.039 or her father, she's like, oh, he's like, who 00:26:48.039 --> 00:26:50.059 are these young men? And she's like, oh, these 00:26:50.059 --> 00:26:54.660 are two Indians I just met. Oh, boy. And me, 00:26:54.779 --> 00:27:01.480 because I'm a product of a higher... more sophisticated 00:27:01.480 --> 00:27:04.019 humor i thought she meant like india indian sure 00:27:04.019 --> 00:27:07.720 no that is not what she meant no no it's it's 00:27:07.720 --> 00:27:11.259 a sobering reminder of uh just casual racism 00:27:11.259 --> 00:27:14.200 casual racism a sign of the times absolutely 00:27:14.200 --> 00:27:18.599 yeah i was like oh i yeah that would we okay 00:27:18.599 --> 00:27:22.680 i guess they they did they sure did i mean to 00:27:22.680 --> 00:27:25.339 point out again i mean not a person of color 00:27:25.339 --> 00:27:27.599 to be seen in this movie that is you know it 00:27:27.599 --> 00:27:30.880 is these days it is very distracting now to see 00:27:30.880 --> 00:27:32.940 something like that of like oh my gosh this is 00:27:32.940 --> 00:27:38.519 just i mean again though 1959 it that it wasn't 00:27:38.519 --> 00:27:41.319 okay but it was what it was you know yeah no 00:27:41.319 --> 00:27:43.779 that joke just was like extremely dated and i 00:27:43.779 --> 00:27:47.549 was like very goodness gracious yeah It was luckily 00:27:47.549 --> 00:27:49.609 the only instance, though, I feel like in the 00:27:49.609 --> 00:27:51.910 movie that I was that I bumped up against with 00:27:51.910 --> 00:27:54.569 something like that. Yeah. Thanks, Sammy, the 00:27:54.569 --> 00:27:57.029 sheepdog in all his glory. Very distracting. 00:27:57.390 --> 00:28:00.230 Yeah. Yeah. OK, sure. Sorry. No, no, we're good. 00:28:00.349 --> 00:28:03.109 OK, OK. So they both fall in love with Francesca. 00:28:03.390 --> 00:28:07.150 She invites them into her house where they're 00:28:07.150 --> 00:28:09.650 unpacking. And it's just full of these rare antiques 00:28:09.650 --> 00:28:13.970 and art pieces. We learned that her adoptive. 00:28:14.250 --> 00:28:17.190 father, Dr. McHale, has been hired to sort of 00:28:17.190 --> 00:28:20.390 curate this local museum in town. While they're 00:28:20.390 --> 00:28:22.349 looking at all these artifacts, there's a painting 00:28:22.349 --> 00:28:25.490 that Wilby notices, which has a dog who looks 00:28:25.490 --> 00:28:29.269 exactly like Chiffon. She gives this sort of 00:28:29.269 --> 00:28:32.730 explanation of the Borgia's family, and apparently 00:28:32.730 --> 00:28:36.269 there's some witchcraft in there, and this particular 00:28:36.269 --> 00:28:39.170 sheepdog is a very rare dog and maybe has some 00:28:39.170 --> 00:28:42.809 mystical elements to it, but they don't... seem 00:28:42.809 --> 00:28:44.650 to notice or care about that story at all they 00:28:44.650 --> 00:28:46.349 just move on with their lives immediately from 00:28:46.349 --> 00:28:53.029 that like okay nope no big deal uh but they do 00:28:53.029 --> 00:28:55.490 all decide because uh will be as a big nerd uh 00:28:55.490 --> 00:28:58.690 they all decide to go to the museum uh to see 00:28:58.690 --> 00:29:00.730 all the actual artifacts that are already there 00:29:00.730 --> 00:29:03.490 that's being curated uh they get separated and 00:29:03.490 --> 00:29:05.609 will be on his own for a little bit and he runs 00:29:05.609 --> 00:29:09.529 into professor plumcott who i he has some sort 00:29:09.529 --> 00:29:12.900 of Passed with, he taught him science or something. 00:29:13.000 --> 00:29:14.920 I can't remember what it was, but it didn't matter. 00:29:15.059 --> 00:29:17.799 But he works at the museum is all we need to 00:29:17.799 --> 00:29:22.099 know. Right. He's the authority on the Borgias. 00:29:22.099 --> 00:29:24.920 The Borgias family. The Borgias family. From 00:29:24.920 --> 00:29:27.799 Italy, I believe, right? Yeah. So Plumcott is 00:29:27.799 --> 00:29:32.680 Mr. Exposition here. Yes, exactly. Who gives 00:29:32.680 --> 00:29:36.559 this really. dark story about dark magic and 00:29:36.559 --> 00:29:39.640 sorcery and shapeshifting and lycanthropy like 00:29:39.640 --> 00:29:42.240 it's wild like the words that he's throwing at 00:29:42.240 --> 00:29:45.740 uh will be who's just sort of like okay old man 00:29:45.740 --> 00:29:49.480 you're cute love it good story i gotta go um 00:29:49.480 --> 00:29:54.299 on this this scene is really the lighting in 00:29:54.299 --> 00:29:58.400 this scene is is really awesome with the use 00:29:58.400 --> 00:30:02.789 of shadows and and darkness and it really gives 00:30:02.789 --> 00:30:07.289 that sense of gothic nature like a gothic haunted 00:30:07.289 --> 00:30:11.089 house yeah so yeah definitely a horror movie 00:30:11.089 --> 00:30:14.049 in these yeah i think even the music turns like 00:30:14.049 --> 00:30:16.289 it starts to use like an organ sort of music 00:30:16.289 --> 00:30:18.369 underneath a little bit and so it's a little 00:30:18.369 --> 00:30:20.589 bit haunted you know something sort of a foul 00:30:20.589 --> 00:30:23.650 is about to happen in fact it does so on its 00:30:23.650 --> 00:30:26.769 way out will be knocks over this table of jewelry 00:30:26.769 --> 00:30:28.450 because that's where you leave all the really 00:30:28.759 --> 00:30:30.559 priceless jewelry is just sitting on a table 00:30:30.559 --> 00:30:34.759 in the middle of a museum, just willy nilly. 00:30:34.839 --> 00:30:36.900 It's just totally fine. As they're cleaning up, 00:30:36.980 --> 00:30:39.759 he accidentally walks off with this ring that 00:30:39.759 --> 00:30:42.619 has fallen into the cuff of his jeans. So back 00:30:42.619 --> 00:30:44.539 home while cleaning up, he discovers this ring 00:30:44.539 --> 00:30:46.700 and there's an inscription on the inside of it, 00:30:46.700 --> 00:30:48.500 which he reads aloud, which you're always supposed 00:30:48.500 --> 00:30:53.400 to do when you find a mysterious ring. It's in 00:30:53.400 --> 00:30:58.319 Latin. It says in Canis. corpore transmuto uh 00:30:58.319 --> 00:31:00.380 he says that out loud and he puts the ring on 00:31:00.380 --> 00:31:02.240 which again you're always supposed to do in a 00:31:02.240 --> 00:31:04.700 movie otherwise you can't go on through life 00:31:04.700 --> 00:31:08.240 so this sort of sets into the motion this curse 00:31:08.240 --> 00:31:10.960 i guess is what you could call it uh of him transforming 00:31:10.960 --> 00:31:16.619 into chiffon the dog from next door which there's 00:31:16.619 --> 00:31:19.140 some plot holes here in which because the dog 00:31:19.660 --> 00:31:22.079 fully disappears from wherever it is and sort 00:31:22.079 --> 00:31:25.519 of becomes will be oh yeah yeah it's not will 00:31:25.519 --> 00:31:29.640 be becoming a dog no yeah chiffon disappears 00:31:29.640 --> 00:31:33.700 like fades into the ether yes and becomes will 00:31:33.700 --> 00:31:39.279 be it's it's wild but i have to say and maybe 00:31:39.279 --> 00:31:42.940 you'll disagree with me but it was giving very 00:31:42.940 --> 00:31:45.700 sort of, I was a teenage werewolf kind of vibes 00:31:45.700 --> 00:31:47.619 or Wolfman vibes a little bit when he starts 00:31:47.619 --> 00:31:50.160 to very first transform, like you just see tufts 00:31:50.160 --> 00:31:52.079 of hair a little bit, it goes white a little 00:31:52.079 --> 00:31:54.380 bit, but they do it very slowly at first. And 00:31:54.380 --> 00:31:56.940 then all of a sudden he sort of ducks down to 00:31:56.940 --> 00:31:58.700 pick up the ring that he dropped and he comes 00:31:58.700 --> 00:32:00.759 back up and he's got a dog face fully. And it's 00:32:00.759 --> 00:32:02.339 like, Oh, that's kind of cool. Matt, you know, 00:32:02.339 --> 00:32:06.059 some, some trick of the trade here. Well, yeah, 00:32:06.200 --> 00:32:09.640 I mean, Comparatively, the special effects to 00:32:09.640 --> 00:32:13.140 the Wolfman. Right. There is no compare. Like 00:32:13.140 --> 00:32:15.980 the Wolfman was very like some trick photography. 00:32:16.359 --> 00:32:19.740 Yeah. In the Shaggy Dog, it's the actor ducks 00:32:19.740 --> 00:32:23.019 down behind a piece of furniture. Yes. You know, 00:32:23.039 --> 00:32:25.359 to hide him putting on some makeup real quick 00:32:25.359 --> 00:32:27.180 and then he comes back up and it's just like 00:32:27.180 --> 00:32:32.859 some less technical savviness but nonetheless 00:32:32.859 --> 00:32:36.289 effective, right? It's just... it fits the bill 00:32:36.289 --> 00:32:39.009 for a family movie like this is for sure it's 00:32:39.009 --> 00:32:41.109 very theatrical you could almost see like oh 00:32:41.109 --> 00:32:43.650 this could maybe be a stage play if like if you 00:32:43.650 --> 00:32:44.950 did it the way that they did it in the movie 00:32:44.950 --> 00:32:47.930 it was fairly simple but very effective yeah 00:32:47.930 --> 00:32:49.849 at the same time and just the close -ups of him 00:32:49.849 --> 00:32:52.569 too of his face in horror sometimes i was like 00:32:52.569 --> 00:32:54.250 oh okay i see what you're doing here yeah good 00:32:54.250 --> 00:32:59.150 job good job OK, so he turns into the dog and 00:32:59.150 --> 00:33:01.809 he realizes immediately that he needs to go see 00:33:01.809 --> 00:33:04.190 the professor. He's like, oh, this he told me 00:33:04.190 --> 00:33:06.150 exactly what was going to happen. So he goes 00:33:06.150 --> 00:33:09.430 to the professor who's not thrown for one second. 00:33:09.470 --> 00:33:12.269 He's just like, hey, hey, professor. He's a dog 00:33:12.269 --> 00:33:15.029 at this time. He turns around. Mind you. Yeah. 00:33:15.289 --> 00:33:18.349 Full on dog. Full on dog. And the professor's 00:33:18.349 --> 00:33:20.730 like, oh, yeah, I thought that might happen. 00:33:20.829 --> 00:33:23.049 Or it was just like he just did not care at all. 00:33:25.140 --> 00:33:29.420 useless advice he could ever give a child who 00:33:29.420 --> 00:33:33.099 should be frightened out of his mind. It's wild. 00:33:33.420 --> 00:33:37.759 He just basically says, well, you're cursed. 00:33:38.579 --> 00:33:41.519 It'll probably come in and out. You may not always 00:33:41.519 --> 00:33:43.079 be a dog, but you're not always going to be human. 00:33:44.019 --> 00:33:47.539 This is so Disney. The only way the curse can 00:33:47.539 --> 00:33:51.059 be broken is through a heroic act of selflessness. 00:33:52.460 --> 00:33:55.259 So Disney. I mean, where did this come from? 00:33:55.380 --> 00:33:59.019 Yeah. That's not a thing in any sort of way. 00:33:59.019 --> 00:34:04.960 It's so just like, and I'm not knocking it, but 00:34:04.960 --> 00:34:10.000 it's just so basic. It's so basic and easy. But 00:34:10.000 --> 00:34:12.079 in that, it's really charming. It's just like, 00:34:12.179 --> 00:34:15.219 well, you got to do this. But we do see this 00:34:15.219 --> 00:34:18.780 through line in Disney. going forward like like 00:34:18.780 --> 00:34:21.059 the perfect example of this is is beauty and 00:34:21.059 --> 00:34:23.219 the beast like the beast can never become human 00:34:23.219 --> 00:34:25.940 again unless he learns to fully love and so that's 00:34:25.940 --> 00:34:29.099 sort of the same kind of a curse basically that 00:34:29.099 --> 00:34:31.480 it has to be broken by true love's kiss or what 00:34:31.480 --> 00:34:33.599 have you and this is how they do it it's very 00:34:33.599 --> 00:34:38.260 disney yeah i i am always a fan of just hey if 00:34:38.260 --> 00:34:42.300 it works stick with it why not why why try to 00:34:42.300 --> 00:34:47.519 complicate a movie like the shaggy dog Honestly, 00:34:47.519 --> 00:34:49.739 you would paint yourself into a corner trying 00:34:49.739 --> 00:34:53.000 to come up with like lore and different rules. 00:34:53.420 --> 00:34:56.500 It's like, no, X, Y, Z. This is what you got 00:34:56.500 --> 00:34:58.800 to do. We'll see you at the end of the movie. 00:34:59.019 --> 00:35:02.119 Yeah. Yeah. Perfect. Yeah. I mean, to be honest, 00:35:02.179 --> 00:35:04.460 though, it is perfectly set up. It's a classic 00:35:04.460 --> 00:35:07.159 comedy, right? Like it starts off with just some 00:35:07.159 --> 00:35:10.480 you immediately get sort of the danger in the 00:35:10.480 --> 00:35:13.059 beginning or like the whatever they have to figure 00:35:13.059 --> 00:35:16.150 out. You get hijinks in the middle of it. And 00:35:16.150 --> 00:35:18.409 they get thrown up in a tree. And then the third 00:35:18.409 --> 00:35:19.929 act is they get out of the tree. Like, it's just 00:35:19.929 --> 00:35:22.449 very, like, this is A, B, and C of a comedy. 00:35:22.570 --> 00:35:24.130 And it's simple and doesn't have to be overly 00:35:24.130 --> 00:35:26.130 complicated. Like you said, it's great. And we 00:35:26.130 --> 00:35:28.789 never see Professor Plumcott again. Ever again. 00:35:29.030 --> 00:35:31.210 Ever again. I thought he was going to be a main 00:35:31.210 --> 00:35:35.090 character. Just like a mentor. They clearly had 00:35:35.090 --> 00:35:37.190 him for one day of shooting. And they were like, 00:35:37.389 --> 00:35:42.030 this is what we got, sir. We have two pages of 00:35:42.030 --> 00:35:45.690 dialogue for you. And you're out. That's a wrap 00:35:45.690 --> 00:35:49.769 on Professor Plumcott. Hey, Oscar nominee Professor 00:35:49.769 --> 00:35:51.710 Plumcott. That's all they could afford. They 00:35:51.710 --> 00:35:57.329 could afford 48 minutes. And that's what they 00:35:57.329 --> 00:36:01.329 got. All right. So Moochie, or not Moochie, but 00:36:01.329 --> 00:36:05.170 Wilby takes this to heart and he heads home where 00:36:05.170 --> 00:36:09.969 there's this wonderful scene of him going to 00:36:09.969 --> 00:36:14.420 bed. He shares a bedroom with his brother, Moochie. 00:36:15.139 --> 00:36:18.579 There's this just incredible scene of the dog 00:36:18.579 --> 00:36:21.760 getting ready for bed, like fully taking out 00:36:21.760 --> 00:36:24.159 pajamas from the drawer, brushing his teeth, 00:36:24.280 --> 00:36:27.260 putting on the pajamas, using the toilet and 00:36:27.260 --> 00:36:30.500 flushing it. It's so good. I loved this scene 00:36:30.500 --> 00:36:32.800 so much. I thought it doesn't get better than 00:36:32.800 --> 00:36:35.159 this, but it does get better. But it's such a 00:36:35.159 --> 00:36:38.360 perfect scene. And that's all Sammy, the dog. 00:36:38.619 --> 00:36:41.090 It's incredible. It's really incredible. Yeah. 00:36:41.190 --> 00:36:44.789 And I mean, I need a sheepdog in pajamas in my 00:36:44.789 --> 00:36:47.289 life because it's the cutest thing in the entire 00:36:47.289 --> 00:36:50.889 world. And I read that they took a bunch of publicity 00:36:50.889 --> 00:36:53.389 photos of the dog in different costumes that 00:36:53.389 --> 00:36:56.750 they never used in the movie. Like the dog wearing 00:36:56.750 --> 00:37:03.329 a bonnet and curled up in bed. So good. It's 00:37:03.329 --> 00:37:07.449 beautiful. It's perfect comedy. I love it. And 00:37:07.449 --> 00:37:11.179 I don't know. really interested in seeing the 00:37:11.179 --> 00:37:15.960 2006 remake because I want to see how they approach 00:37:15.960 --> 00:37:19.760 the story and what's the level of CGI, which 00:37:19.760 --> 00:37:23.539 I just assume is part of the overall product. 00:37:23.900 --> 00:37:27.099 Because like, I don't know, without seeing the 00:37:27.099 --> 00:37:31.380 Tim Allen movie, if you're not using a real animal 00:37:31.380 --> 00:37:39.519 in these scenes, why do I care? as as gold as 00:37:39.519 --> 00:37:43.420 the story is why we're still talking about this 00:37:43.420 --> 00:37:47.340 movie yeah i think is because of the dog it's 00:37:47.340 --> 00:37:50.079 so charming right you can't you can't replicate 00:37:50.079 --> 00:37:52.659 it's just yeah it's it's wonderful yeah this 00:37:52.659 --> 00:37:56.559 this scene alone i think wins wins me over for 00:37:56.559 --> 00:37:59.159 the shaggy dog is him getting ready for bed as 00:37:59.159 --> 00:38:02.539 in as as the dog it's just it's wonderful i i 00:38:02.539 --> 00:38:05.440 have to imagine audiences were howling no pun 00:38:05.440 --> 00:38:09.019 intended at this scene back in 1959 booting and 00:38:09.019 --> 00:38:11.079 hollering because this had never i mean this 00:38:11.079 --> 00:38:14.320 was a wild idea first of all for for a movie 00:38:14.320 --> 00:38:19.789 but like clearly never before Has this been attempted 00:38:19.789 --> 00:38:22.429 before? You know, it's just wonderful. It's magic. 00:38:22.750 --> 00:38:25.449 It's magic. It's absolute magic. Yeah. Movie 00:38:25.449 --> 00:38:28.670 magic. That's it. And it's specifically Disney 00:38:28.670 --> 00:38:31.269 magic, too, I have to say. Like, it's very Disney. 00:38:31.429 --> 00:38:34.730 And they took a big swing and they hit it out 00:38:34.730 --> 00:38:36.789 of the park, I thought, with this movie, with 00:38:36.789 --> 00:38:40.590 all these special effects. Okay. So the dog goes 00:38:40.590 --> 00:38:42.989 to bed, wakes up, still a dog, where Moochie 00:38:42.989 --> 00:38:45.670 then discovers that his brother is now a dog. 00:38:46.349 --> 00:38:49.719 He doesn't. seem too plussed by it he's just 00:38:49.719 --> 00:38:52.619 like oh cool you're a dog and he like refalls 00:38:52.619 --> 00:38:55.079 in love with his brother it's very adorable actually 00:38:55.079 --> 00:38:58.559 that he finally can relate to his brother in 00:38:58.559 --> 00:39:01.119 a different way uh because they are still brothers 00:39:01.119 --> 00:39:05.219 but he like loves this dog so much it's it's 00:39:05.219 --> 00:39:09.980 really endearing to the point of almost forgetting 00:39:09.980 --> 00:39:17.170 that his brother is the dog like Me and Ellen 00:39:17.170 --> 00:39:20.989 were screaming, Moochie, you can't just put a 00:39:20.989 --> 00:39:24.349 collar and a leash on your brother. You can't. 00:39:24.829 --> 00:39:27.230 Yeah. There's a point where Moochie is a little 00:39:27.230 --> 00:39:30.670 delusional and thinks that the dog is the dog 00:39:30.670 --> 00:39:32.769 and his brother is like just gone out of his 00:39:32.769 --> 00:39:35.170 life. Yeah. He's all in. He's all in on the dog. 00:39:35.309 --> 00:39:40.989 For sure. So as they're sort of bonding, I guess, 00:39:41.050 --> 00:39:44.070 as now brother and dog, they remember suddenly 00:39:44.070 --> 00:39:48.340 how much they're. Dad hates dogs. And then they 00:39:48.340 --> 00:39:51.239 have to work together to hide Wilby's curse. 00:39:52.719 --> 00:39:55.380 There is some gun violence in this movie now. 00:39:55.460 --> 00:40:01.679 Oh, yeah. Hell yeah, brother. Dad's got a shotgun. 00:40:01.940 --> 00:40:05.829 You best look out. Blammo. It comes out of nowhere. 00:40:06.010 --> 00:40:09.369 It's just wild that he has a shotgun in the whole 00:40:09.369 --> 00:40:11.929 closet. But he hates dogs so much, apparently, 00:40:11.989 --> 00:40:14.750 that when he sees this dog, his first instinct 00:40:14.750 --> 00:40:18.130 is to get a gun and shoot blindly into the neighborhood 00:40:18.130 --> 00:40:21.030 at it. It's low -key unhinged. Like, what if 00:40:21.030 --> 00:40:24.369 your neighbor just shot your dog? Because your 00:40:24.369 --> 00:40:26.590 dog went into their yard. That's what we're talking 00:40:26.590 --> 00:40:29.610 about here. He had zero Fs to give. He just shot. 00:40:30.920 --> 00:40:33.519 the dog not a good shot either because he did 00:40:33.519 --> 00:40:38.199 nowhere near the dog it was oh oh boy oh boy 00:40:38.199 --> 00:40:43.030 okay so We then spend a majority of the movie. 00:40:43.110 --> 00:40:45.250 I won't go into every single detail. Watch it 00:40:45.250 --> 00:40:48.650 for yourself. But with these dog to human hijinks, 00:40:48.650 --> 00:40:51.030 it's actually really great. The hiding from the 00:40:51.030 --> 00:40:55.110 dog, hiding from the dad that he is a dog, trying 00:40:55.110 --> 00:40:58.489 to convince people of this new spy subplot that 00:40:58.489 --> 00:41:02.300 we hear about later on in the movie. There's 00:41:02.300 --> 00:41:04.739 some great scenes with the dog speaking out loud 00:41:04.739 --> 00:41:07.619 to this policeman. It's kind of a through line 00:41:07.619 --> 00:41:11.019 in the movie just for a comic's sake and convincing 00:41:11.019 --> 00:41:12.880 the policeman that he's a little bit insane. 00:41:13.360 --> 00:41:16.599 It's great. We mentioned putting his pajamas 00:41:16.599 --> 00:41:18.940 on, brushing his teeth. He's using telephones. 00:41:19.280 --> 00:41:22.079 He's climbing in and out of houses. It's just 00:41:22.079 --> 00:41:25.320 this wonderful physical comedy all done by a 00:41:25.320 --> 00:41:28.280 dog, which is great. And you can tell that I 00:41:28.280 --> 00:41:31.420 guess I wasn't there, obviously. It seems that 00:41:31.420 --> 00:41:33.519 they took great care of the dog too. Like you 00:41:33.519 --> 00:41:35.739 never thought that the dog was in danger during 00:41:35.739 --> 00:41:39.099 this movie. Yeah. It seems like it was well done 00:41:39.099 --> 00:41:41.219 and the dog was very loving and loved as well. 00:41:41.340 --> 00:41:44.840 So I will, I should say that out loud. Yeah. 00:41:44.920 --> 00:41:49.119 For, for listeners of Camp Kaiju and Patrick 00:41:49.119 --> 00:41:52.599 and Gays Do The D, I have some really great links 00:41:52.599 --> 00:41:55.320 that I found on the background of behind the 00:41:55.320 --> 00:41:58.250 scenes working with Sammy the dog. I'll share 00:41:58.250 --> 00:42:00.710 with you. I'll share them in Camp Kaiju show 00:42:00.710 --> 00:42:03.590 notes for this episode. Wonderful. Yeah, some 00:42:03.590 --> 00:42:06.769 really good insight. Love it. Love it. Yeah, 00:42:06.829 --> 00:42:08.889 we get a filler scene with this country club 00:42:08.889 --> 00:42:11.309 dance where Buzz is trying to date both of the 00:42:11.309 --> 00:42:14.010 girls, Francesca and Allison, at the same time, 00:42:14.030 --> 00:42:16.230 but they both end up trying to win over Willoughby. 00:42:16.650 --> 00:42:19.809 Classic. Just a classic. Classic. They are throwing 00:42:19.809 --> 00:42:22.710 every gimmick they can at this movie for laughs, 00:42:22.869 --> 00:42:25.349 and it works, but not all of it was necessary, 00:42:25.550 --> 00:42:28.739 but it was still fun. You know, what are you 00:42:28.739 --> 00:42:33.960 going to do? So at one point in the movie, towards 00:42:33.960 --> 00:42:36.300 the end of the movie, finally, after all of this 00:42:36.300 --> 00:42:39.599 filler fun stuff in dog form, we'll be over here 00:42:39.599 --> 00:42:41.840 as Dr. Andersey and this creepy guy who keeps 00:42:41.840 --> 00:42:44.320 coming over to their house plotting to steal 00:42:44.320 --> 00:42:47.820 these government secrets. It's called like Experiment 00:42:47.820 --> 00:42:50.760 23 or I can't remember. Section 23. Because I 00:42:50.760 --> 00:42:54.840 think the town, it seems to me like a government 00:42:54.840 --> 00:42:58.809 town almost. Sure. If you're well -to -do, you're 00:42:58.809 --> 00:43:02.510 probably working in this agency research lab 00:43:02.510 --> 00:43:06.369 that's nearby. That was my understanding, maybe 00:43:06.369 --> 00:43:09.030 based on other movies and things. Got it. So 00:43:09.030 --> 00:43:12.510 there's clearly a top -secret facility within 00:43:12.510 --> 00:43:15.389 proximity of the town. Yeah. It's never fully 00:43:15.389 --> 00:43:18.570 explained, nor need it be, I guess. All you need 00:43:18.570 --> 00:43:21.570 to know is that there are some spies in the town. 00:43:21.989 --> 00:43:27.099 And that is enough to set alarms off. So he tries 00:43:27.099 --> 00:43:31.739 to go and tell his dad, but Moochie actually 00:43:31.739 --> 00:43:33.840 tries to tell his dad at first and he brushes 00:43:33.840 --> 00:43:35.619 him off. And so they decide, okay, it's time 00:43:35.619 --> 00:43:37.920 to loop in dad on the secret that I'm a dog. 00:43:39.400 --> 00:43:42.199 To an interesting effect, Gays to the D listeners 00:43:42.199 --> 00:43:45.199 will appreciate this. He basically has to come 00:43:45.199 --> 00:43:49.719 out to his father as a dog. Yeah. In this scene, 00:43:49.800 --> 00:43:52.179 you know what I mean? And the dad's reaction 00:43:52.179 --> 00:43:56.219 is very classic. what you might expect he says 00:43:56.219 --> 00:43:59.079 there's some line about like oh i thought i raised 00:43:59.079 --> 00:44:00.679 you better or something like that than to be 00:44:00.679 --> 00:44:03.000 a dog or whatever it's it's really interesting 00:44:03.000 --> 00:44:04.659 actually i don't know that they were necessarily 00:44:04.659 --> 00:44:07.320 trying to make that point or trying to make that 00:44:07.320 --> 00:44:10.659 parallel but i pulled it out for sure as somebody 00:44:10.659 --> 00:44:13.340 who is gay of like oh yeah this is a coming out 00:44:13.340 --> 00:44:15.719 story kind of him telling his dad that he's a 00:44:15.719 --> 00:44:19.159 dog i i i respect and appreciate that perspective 00:44:19.159 --> 00:44:22.619 so much i'd love to hear more about that Shapeshifting 00:44:22.619 --> 00:44:26.900 stories often are about sexuality. Yeah. Yeah. 00:44:26.960 --> 00:44:31.480 Whatever category that might be. But yeah, like 00:44:31.480 --> 00:44:34.719 I was examining this movie through a lens of 00:44:34.719 --> 00:44:38.900 either coming out or puberty or just anxiety 00:44:38.900 --> 00:44:42.360 about being an awkward teenager. Sure. Yeah. 00:44:43.179 --> 00:44:46.000 So, yeah, I'd love to hear more about your thoughts 00:44:46.000 --> 00:44:48.059 later on. And that scene, though, when he is. 00:44:48.599 --> 00:44:50.380 And I think, as you say, I think that's that's 00:44:50.380 --> 00:44:53.480 totally fair coming out to his father. I mean, 00:44:53.519 --> 00:44:55.880 mind you, his father is willing to shoot dogs 00:44:55.880 --> 00:45:01.280 like it's not played like a serious drama. Right. 00:45:01.400 --> 00:45:04.119 But you could like the stakes could be that high. 00:45:04.280 --> 00:45:08.119 Yeah. But Fred McMurray, he's so he's reading 00:45:08.119 --> 00:45:11.320 his newspaper and it's just. The comedy is so 00:45:11.320 --> 00:45:14.320 well played. He's not looking at his dog son, 00:45:14.519 --> 00:45:17.380 who's right next to him, probably like in his 00:45:17.380 --> 00:45:19.860 periphery. He's just reading his paper and he's 00:45:19.860 --> 00:45:23.400 like, yeah, son. Oh, sure. I'll, you know, I'll 00:45:23.400 --> 00:45:25.219 always be there for you. He says something to 00:45:25.219 --> 00:45:26.860 the effect of like, you could tell me anything. 00:45:27.119 --> 00:45:31.860 Yeah. Yeah. The moment happens where, you know, 00:45:31.860 --> 00:45:35.559 he like does a double take to his left and sees 00:45:35.559 --> 00:45:40.440 his dog son. he doesn't fly off the handle right 00:45:40.440 --> 00:45:44.800 in fact he's willing to go to the feds with the 00:45:44.800 --> 00:45:51.559 spy intel yeah and and is willing to to tell 00:45:51.559 --> 00:45:55.460 everybody no my dog or sorry my son is a dog 00:45:55.460 --> 00:45:58.320 who told me this he doesn't back away from that 00:45:58.320 --> 00:46:01.179 story i found that like wow you're really sticking 00:46:01.179 --> 00:46:05.420 out for your son here despite how insane you 00:46:05.420 --> 00:46:07.780 are sounding now. And they want to keep him for 00:46:07.780 --> 00:46:10.539 psychological tests and hilarity ensues. But, 00:46:10.539 --> 00:46:15.199 but I, I read like, wow, I see a father, you 00:46:15.199 --> 00:46:17.900 know, kind of sticking up for his son after giving 00:46:17.900 --> 00:46:20.840 him so much crap throughout this entire movie. 00:46:21.059 --> 00:46:23.940 Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. And, and part of 00:46:23.940 --> 00:46:27.340 that is, is like, there's the, you know, the 00:46:27.340 --> 00:46:30.090 adage of like, Sometimes just to convince somebody 00:46:30.090 --> 00:46:32.530 that something's okay, they need to know somebody 00:46:32.530 --> 00:46:36.329 who is gay or trans or whatever it is that you're 00:46:36.329 --> 00:46:38.789 trying to convince them of. Once they know somebody, 00:46:39.010 --> 00:46:41.989 then they're more apt to be on board with it. 00:46:42.880 --> 00:46:45.500 exactly what happens in this movie like once 00:46:45.500 --> 00:46:48.599 he realizes his son is a dog the thing he hates 00:46:48.599 --> 00:46:51.679 most he's suddenly okay with dogs you know it's 00:46:51.679 --> 00:46:55.199 like oh okay yeah interesting interesting well 00:46:55.199 --> 00:46:57.059 played well played is it i don't know if that 00:46:57.059 --> 00:46:58.940 was their intention but that's exactly what they 00:46:58.940 --> 00:47:03.460 did so they did do that and we noticed and we 00:47:03.460 --> 00:47:06.420 sure did it only helps the movie yeah absolutely 00:47:06.420 --> 00:47:10.389 absolutely uh okay so yeah as you said uh He 00:47:10.389 --> 00:47:12.570 tells him about the spy thing. The dad's like 00:47:12.570 --> 00:47:15.250 all in. He's on board with it to the to the point 00:47:15.250 --> 00:47:18.369 of like being examined by psychiatrists and everything. 00:47:19.309 --> 00:47:22.349 We we get this climax at the end of the movie 00:47:22.349 --> 00:47:25.050 then. So there's this high speed chase involving 00:47:25.050 --> 00:47:30.929 will be as the dog. driving after the next door 00:47:30.929 --> 00:47:33.570 neighbor and the creepy guy who have now kidnapped 00:47:33.570 --> 00:47:37.369 the daughter. We don't really know why they kidnap 00:47:37.369 --> 00:47:40.050 her, but it seems nefarious. For some reason, 00:47:40.110 --> 00:47:42.389 they have to get rid of all traces that they 00:47:42.389 --> 00:47:44.570 were there or something. I don't know exactly 00:47:44.570 --> 00:47:46.750 what the reason was, but they had to get rid 00:47:46.750 --> 00:47:49.530 of the girl for some reason. Well, yeah. I mean, 00:47:49.570 --> 00:47:53.250 I guess ostensibly she is his daughter, right? 00:47:53.349 --> 00:47:56.000 Yeah. But he doesn't seem to love her anymore. 00:47:56.260 --> 00:47:58.320 Like, he seems very like, eh, if she dies, she 00:47:58.320 --> 00:48:00.599 dies, you know? Yeah, he flips a switch pretty 00:48:00.599 --> 00:48:04.619 quick. Very quickly. Yeah. It's a little creepy 00:48:04.619 --> 00:48:06.820 as well, I have to say, when they kidnap her. 00:48:06.940 --> 00:48:09.380 Like, there's some violence in there that I was 00:48:09.380 --> 00:48:10.559 like, oh, I don't know if I'm okay with that. 00:48:10.579 --> 00:48:15.139 Yeah. I mean, the whole thing is dark when Bilby 00:48:15.139 --> 00:48:20.280 finds himself in trouble because he is Chiffon. 00:48:20.619 --> 00:48:23.119 Yeah. He inadvertently finds himself in the room 00:48:23.119 --> 00:48:25.780 where the spies are plotting. But of course, 00:48:25.800 --> 00:48:29.599 as you could expect, the curse wears off in the 00:48:29.599 --> 00:48:33.480 next scene. So the spies now just see a teenage 00:48:33.480 --> 00:48:37.760 kid in the room and they discuss like getting 00:48:37.760 --> 00:48:40.880 rid of him. Yeah. I'm like, this is dark. Yeah. 00:48:40.920 --> 00:48:44.659 I'm here for it. It does go dark. I like to take 00:48:44.659 --> 00:48:47.840 my family, my family, my quote unquote family 00:48:47.840 --> 00:48:50.699 entertainment. I want to treat it seriously, 00:48:50.800 --> 00:48:54.400 and this is what would happen. For sure. For 00:48:54.400 --> 00:48:59.380 sure. Okay, so there's a high -speed chase. The 00:48:59.380 --> 00:49:03.300 police are chasing Wilby. Wilby's chasing him. 00:49:03.639 --> 00:49:06.159 Sometimes Wilby's chasing the police. There's 00:49:06.159 --> 00:49:09.440 some really funny car antics here. Very Car 54, 00:49:09.519 --> 00:49:14.190 where are you? It's pretty funny. So it all culminates 00:49:14.190 --> 00:49:17.250 on this boat where Francesca is thrown overboard 00:49:17.250 --> 00:49:20.210 from the boat into the water and will be still 00:49:20.210 --> 00:49:23.170 in dog form, dives into the water, rescuing her, 00:49:23.250 --> 00:49:26.610 pulling her onto shore, thus fulfilling his requirement 00:49:26.610 --> 00:49:30.070 as an act of selflessness to break the curse. 00:49:30.190 --> 00:49:33.030 He turns back into a human form. Chiffon is back. 00:49:33.960 --> 00:49:36.099 Nobody believes that Willoughby, except for the 00:49:36.099 --> 00:49:38.440 dad, but he never, for some reason, decides not 00:49:38.440 --> 00:49:41.420 to tell people that he was a dog anymore, believes 00:49:41.420 --> 00:49:43.440 that Willoughby had anything to do with saving 00:49:43.440 --> 00:49:47.920 the day. It all goes to the dog. All the gratitude 00:49:47.920 --> 00:49:50.159 goes to the dog, goes to the dad, goes to Moochie. 00:49:50.579 --> 00:49:52.840 But Willoughby, once again, is just left on the 00:49:52.840 --> 00:49:54.920 sidelines as an awkward teenager just trying 00:49:54.920 --> 00:49:57.539 to get through life. Can we unpack this ending? 00:49:57.719 --> 00:50:00.000 Like, honestly, how did this movie leave you 00:50:00.000 --> 00:50:02.969 feeling? it's it was really unsatisfying actually 00:50:02.969 --> 00:50:06.329 for will be you know like justice for will be 00:50:06.329 --> 00:50:09.389 i was mad i'm still mad about this ending i know 00:50:09.389 --> 00:50:13.789 i know will be yeah it just because like again 00:50:13.789 --> 00:50:16.809 we had this great moment of father son and then 00:50:16.809 --> 00:50:20.969 father completely goes back to disregarding will 00:50:20.969 --> 00:50:24.170 be moochie all of a sudden is in all these like 00:50:25.029 --> 00:50:27.469 fame and fortune publicity photos because the 00:50:27.469 --> 00:50:29.510 news is all over this. Hey, sir, we want to get 00:50:29.510 --> 00:50:32.090 a photo with you and your son. And the son he 00:50:32.090 --> 00:50:36.019 picks is Moochie. I'm like, that little... dingbat 00:50:36.019 --> 00:50:39.019 like i was so mad because i hated moochie so 00:50:39.019 --> 00:50:41.960 much oh i thought he was cute sorry hates a strong 00:50:41.960 --> 00:50:44.800 word you can cut that out no i had strong feelings 00:50:44.800 --> 00:50:47.380 against moochie that's fair that's fair that's 00:50:47.380 --> 00:50:49.360 fair you know it's it sort of i mean i guess 00:50:49.360 --> 00:50:51.280 at the end of the day like it spoke to will be's 00:50:51.280 --> 00:50:53.559 character that he didn't really care about any 00:50:53.559 --> 00:50:55.679 of the like he just was on his own adventure 00:50:55.679 --> 00:50:58.280 i guess and he was you know just trying to get 00:50:58.280 --> 00:51:01.480 through the day basically as a dog and a kid 00:51:01.480 --> 00:51:04.619 and and And he was a hero, but he didn't need 00:51:04.619 --> 00:51:06.900 to be the hero, I guess. And so it spoke to his 00:51:06.900 --> 00:51:09.920 character, but it was a little, I was like, is 00:51:09.920 --> 00:51:13.320 he being gaslit here? Like, is he like, none 00:51:13.320 --> 00:51:14.960 of this ever happened. Will we remember? And 00:51:14.960 --> 00:51:17.519 it's never, you're just an average kid. Don't 00:51:17.519 --> 00:51:21.039 say anything. Everything's fine. Yeah. So what 00:51:21.039 --> 00:51:23.440 are you going to do? It doesn't take away from 00:51:23.440 --> 00:51:26.800 my overall love of this movie. Yeah. It's just, 00:51:26.840 --> 00:51:30.460 I, again, I was, I was so invested. Patrick, 00:51:30.579 --> 00:51:33.860 I just cared so much for Will B. Yeah. That I 00:51:33.860 --> 00:51:36.960 didn't like seeing him short -shifted like that. 00:51:37.519 --> 00:51:39.900 It's fair. It's fair. Yeah. I'll be interested 00:51:39.900 --> 00:51:41.320 to see whatever the people have to say about 00:51:41.320 --> 00:51:43.980 it. Like, was it a good ending or should there 00:51:43.980 --> 00:51:45.400 have been a different ending? Like, should he 00:51:45.400 --> 00:51:47.920 have gotten his sort of just rewards at the end 00:51:47.920 --> 00:51:49.739 of it? Just like sitting with his dad. As easy 00:51:49.739 --> 00:51:52.440 as that. Anything. Yeah. A hug from his dad or 00:51:52.440 --> 00:51:55.579 something. And mom, she disappears. She fucking 00:51:55.579 --> 00:52:00.320 disappears. Oscar nominee, Gene Hagen. They only 00:52:00.320 --> 00:52:05.380 had her for a day. She was a day player. I also 00:52:05.380 --> 00:52:08.920 just real quick. Yeah. One of my favorite scenes. 00:52:10.019 --> 00:52:13.199 It's such a strange scene, but it subverts expectations. 00:52:13.519 --> 00:52:15.300 Yeah. They're at a dinner table. They're talking 00:52:15.300 --> 00:52:19.019 about going to this country club dance. And mom 00:52:19.019 --> 00:52:23.139 suggests, Will B, why don't you ask a girl? Take 00:52:23.139 --> 00:52:27.219 a girl. And dad says, well, why? Why does he 00:52:27.219 --> 00:52:29.920 have to do that? He's too young to date, essentially. 00:52:30.699 --> 00:52:33.360 I thought that was actually a really nice subversion 00:52:33.360 --> 00:52:35.659 of expectations because normally I'd feel like 00:52:35.659 --> 00:52:38.139 it would be the stern -headed father figure. 00:52:38.559 --> 00:52:40.800 Interesting, yeah. And the mom saying, oh, he's 00:52:40.800 --> 00:52:43.599 just shy, don't worry about it. Yeah. But it 00:52:43.599 --> 00:52:47.059 was mom really pressing the heteronormativity. 00:52:48.159 --> 00:52:50.480 Yeah, that's true. That's true. That's interesting, 00:52:50.679 --> 00:52:52.300 yeah. The dad was just like, I don't care if 00:52:52.300 --> 00:52:57.440 he doesn't need to do that. Why? For what? Just 00:52:57.440 --> 00:52:59.639 stay here and polish your shotgun. Like what 00:52:59.639 --> 00:53:04.840 else? Why do you need a girl? That's a really 00:53:04.840 --> 00:53:09.820 good point. I like it. Fair enough. All right. 00:53:09.860 --> 00:53:12.860 So, well, that was the plot of The Shaggy Dog. 00:53:13.539 --> 00:53:16.719 As per usual, Vincent, what do you say we jump 00:53:16.719 --> 00:53:20.400 into a little quiz related to The Shaggy Dog? 00:53:20.480 --> 00:53:23.039 And then we'll close out with some last minute 00:53:23.039 --> 00:53:25.639 thoughts and maybe some historical significance 00:53:25.639 --> 00:53:28.940 for Disney and horror and why this crosses over 00:53:28.940 --> 00:53:31.699 into both movies or into both genres. All right. 00:53:47.139 --> 00:53:51.780 So, listeners. Yes. This is our third episode 00:53:51.780 --> 00:53:55.500 of Magic and Monsters. Yes, it is. In round one, 00:53:55.719 --> 00:53:59.119 who framed Roger Rabbit, Patrick won our quiz 00:53:59.119 --> 00:54:02.119 show. I sure did. I sure did. By a lot, I think, 00:54:02.119 --> 00:54:05.059 as well, in that first one. You spanked me. It 00:54:05.059 --> 00:54:07.260 was an embarrassing... You know, it's because 00:54:07.260 --> 00:54:09.559 I went easy on you. That's fair. That's fair. 00:54:09.679 --> 00:54:12.440 So me and Patrick, we're going to each ask each 00:54:12.440 --> 00:54:15.699 other three questions. And we're going to tally 00:54:15.699 --> 00:54:17.739 the points at the end. So at the end of Roger 00:54:17.739 --> 00:54:21.019 Rabbit, Patrick had three points. I had 1 .5. 00:54:21.559 --> 00:54:26.280 Because Patrick wrote a wonky question. And we 00:54:26.280 --> 00:54:28.460 agreed that I'd get half a point. That's right. 00:54:28.539 --> 00:54:29.980 That's right. I was very generous with that. 00:54:30.300 --> 00:54:34.639 Thank you. At the end of Morbius. which is where 00:54:34.639 --> 00:54:36.860 we stand now. Patrick, you have three points, 00:54:37.000 --> 00:54:42.699 and I have 3 .5. Okay. I did not do well in Morbius, 00:54:42.760 --> 00:54:45.940 apparently. You didn't. It was a joy to revisit 00:54:45.940 --> 00:54:49.380 that one. Wonderful. Wonderful. Okay, I'm excited 00:54:49.380 --> 00:54:51.260 to hear what questions you have for me, because 00:54:51.260 --> 00:54:53.639 I'm excited about my questions for you. Okay. 00:54:53.980 --> 00:54:57.360 I'm nervous. I don't think... I think I went 00:54:57.360 --> 00:54:59.579 easy on you again, but... You know, we're just 00:54:59.579 --> 00:55:02.519 having fun here. We're not... We're having a 00:55:02.519 --> 00:55:04.320 good time. We're having a good time. Not like 00:55:04.320 --> 00:55:07.300 we're playing for our immortal souls or anything 00:55:07.300 --> 00:55:09.199 like that. No, we're playing for a beer maybe 00:55:09.199 --> 00:55:14.619 at some point. Okay. All right. All right. All 00:55:14.619 --> 00:55:16.539 right. Who wants to go first? Do you want me 00:55:16.539 --> 00:55:17.880 to ask you first or do you want to ask me first? 00:55:18.400 --> 00:55:21.639 Why don't you go first? Okay. Are you ready for 00:55:21.639 --> 00:55:25.559 your first question, Vincent? Hit me. So, Chiffon 00:55:25.559 --> 00:55:29.039 isn't the only sheepdog in Disney's history. 00:55:29.500 --> 00:55:32.469 There's another one. prominently featured in 00:55:32.469 --> 00:55:37.469 which of these Disney movies? Is it Beauty and 00:55:37.469 --> 00:55:42.730 the Beast, 101 Dalmatians, The Little Mermaid, 00:55:42.889 --> 00:55:47.710 or The Great Mouse Detective? Yo, I can picture 00:55:47.710 --> 00:55:52.570 that dog in more than one of those movies. You'd 00:55:52.570 --> 00:55:55.190 be wrong because it's only in one movie. Oh, 00:55:55.190 --> 00:56:00.980 no. Would it help if I gave you the name of the 00:56:00.980 --> 00:56:04.739 dog? Well, what could help is I've given you, 00:56:04.760 --> 00:56:07.559 in my questions, I've given you three options. 00:56:07.960 --> 00:56:10.880 Oh, okay. So narrow it down to three? Yeah. Okay. 00:56:11.059 --> 00:56:15.219 Okay. We're going to go ahead and eliminate Beauty 00:56:15.219 --> 00:56:19.480 and the Beast. That was one of the two. Dang 00:56:19.480 --> 00:56:25.719 it. Okay. Thank you. Yeah, you're welcome. So 00:56:25.719 --> 00:56:29.079 what movie? Is this dog in? So remind me now 00:56:29.079 --> 00:56:32.400 the three that I have. You have 101 Dalmatians, 00:56:32.519 --> 00:56:35.119 The Little Mermaid, or The Great Mouse Detective. 00:56:36.099 --> 00:56:39.559 101 Dalmatians I feel like is too obvious of 00:56:39.559 --> 00:56:44.659 a guess. Okay. Little Mermaid, and I've never 00:56:44.659 --> 00:56:48.699 seen The Great Mouse Detective. Shame. I'm going 00:56:48.699 --> 00:56:51.340 to say The Little Mermaid. You are correct. It 00:56:51.340 --> 00:56:54.619 is The Little Mermaid. Max. Max was the dog in 00:56:54.619 --> 00:56:57.940 The Little Mermaid. That's right. And an adorable 00:56:57.940 --> 00:57:01.840 dog. I have not seen that movie enough. I'm a 00:57:01.840 --> 00:57:03.820 fan. No one has seen it enough. It's a great 00:57:03.820 --> 00:57:08.699 movie. It's a great movie. All right. 4 .5 points 00:57:08.699 --> 00:57:12.659 for me. Amazing. All right. Where's the first 00:57:12.659 --> 00:57:15.860 question? Okay. First question. Sammy the dog 00:57:15.860 --> 00:57:18.889 who plays the shaggy dog. Was so friendly on 00:57:18.889 --> 00:57:23.070 set, he earned himself a special nickname. What 00:57:23.070 --> 00:57:26.010 was his nickname on set? Oh, gosh. Was it A, 00:57:26.190 --> 00:57:35.309 Makeup Eater? B, Mr. Frisky? Oh. Or C, Hammy 00:57:35.309 --> 00:57:38.849 Sammy? Oh, they're all cute. I'm going to go 00:57:38.849 --> 00:57:41.989 with... I feel like Mr. Frisky is a little too 00:57:41.989 --> 00:57:46.230 risque for the 1950s. It's probably yet, though. 00:57:48.440 --> 00:57:50.800 I'm going to go with makeup eater. I feel like 00:57:50.800 --> 00:57:53.320 he was notorious for eating people, like licking 00:57:53.320 --> 00:57:55.500 people's makeup off their faces. Ding, ding, 00:57:55.519 --> 00:58:01.380 ding. You are correct. Hey. Amazing. Yeah, that 00:58:01.380 --> 00:58:03.099 feels correct because I bet he was just like, 00:58:03.119 --> 00:58:04.960 was it because he was licking people's faces 00:58:04.960 --> 00:58:06.719 and they had to redo their makeup? Yeah. It was, 00:58:06.820 --> 00:58:09.579 yeah. That's adorable. I love that. What's cuter 00:58:09.579 --> 00:58:13.000 than that? Yeah, nothing. Nothing. Nothing is. 00:58:14.119 --> 00:58:17.400 Turns out. I love it. All right. All right. Here 00:58:17.400 --> 00:58:19.760 you go. You ready? Number two. Here we go. So 00:58:19.760 --> 00:58:22.739 shape -shifting is actually a fairly common practice 00:58:22.739 --> 00:58:26.440 in Disney movie history. In The Sword in the 00:58:26.440 --> 00:58:30.360 Stone, Merlin turns Arthur into three different 00:58:30.360 --> 00:58:33.380 animals during the movie. Which of these animals 00:58:33.380 --> 00:58:37.059 does Arthur not turn into in The Sword in the 00:58:37.059 --> 00:58:41.460 Stone? Oh my gosh. Is it? Does he not turn into 00:58:41.460 --> 00:58:47.929 a fish? A squirrel? Or a fox? Fish, squirrel, 00:58:48.130 --> 00:58:51.130 fox. I've never seen this movie. Oh, you're missing 00:58:51.130 --> 00:58:55.190 out, man. It's a great movie. Based on this description 00:58:55.190 --> 00:58:58.389 alone, I would agree. I'm thinking about Disney 00:58:58.389 --> 00:59:01.050 movies. We've seen squirrels before, so they 00:59:01.050 --> 00:59:03.570 might have just used their previous animation 00:59:03.570 --> 00:59:13.250 papers. Sure, sure. Fish or fox? I'm going to 00:59:13.250 --> 00:59:20.670 say he does not. turn into a fox you are correct 00:59:20.670 --> 00:59:24.070 he doesn't turn into a fox i almost went fish 00:59:24.070 --> 00:59:27.829 well done yeah no the fish is it's a great scene 00:59:27.829 --> 00:59:30.349 too he almost gets eaten by a bigger fish it's 00:59:30.349 --> 00:59:32.989 he learns lessons every time he turns into an 00:59:32.989 --> 00:59:35.449 animal it's great it's a great movie cool high 00:59:35.449 --> 00:59:38.869 recommend i know trust me i'm really soaking 00:59:38.869 --> 00:59:41.329 in my i'm really using my disney plus account 00:59:41.329 --> 00:59:46.219 these days um Yeah, I got a little kid and just 00:59:46.219 --> 00:59:49.659 kind of that nostalgia. Yeah. I'm kind of thinking 00:59:49.659 --> 00:59:52.780 about. So Shaggy Dog's on that list for sure. 00:59:53.199 --> 00:59:57.619 Yeah, man. Yeah. Okay, number two. Yes. After 00:59:57.619 --> 01:00:00.260 the Shaggy Dog established Fred McMurray as a 01:00:00.260 --> 01:00:02.960 friendly father figure, he was cast against type 01:00:02.960 --> 01:00:05.360 as a philandering corporate executive in this 01:00:05.360 --> 01:00:08.639 film, which won the Oscar for Best Picture of 01:00:08.639 --> 01:00:15.460 1960. Was it A? Elmer Gantry, B, The Apartment, 01:00:15.559 --> 01:00:22.239 or C, The Hustler? Oh, gosh. Oh, man. Oh, this 01:00:22.239 --> 01:00:24.019 is a tough one. Okay, you stumped me on this 01:00:24.019 --> 01:00:28.380 one. I want to say The Apartment, but that feels 01:00:28.380 --> 01:00:31.860 like an Alfred Hitchcock movie, and I can't remember 01:00:31.860 --> 01:00:34.219 if it is or not. That's the only one that's really 01:00:34.219 --> 01:00:36.960 ringing in my head. Oh, gosh. Okay, I'm just 01:00:36.960 --> 01:00:37.940 going to say it. I'm going to go with my gut. 01:00:38.079 --> 01:00:41.800 Is it The Apartment? Yeah, you got it. Oh, okay. 01:00:42.059 --> 01:00:45.320 For some reason, it was just sitting in my head. 01:00:45.380 --> 01:00:48.400 I was like, it sounds right. Okay. Honestly, 01:00:48.579 --> 01:00:50.619 one of my top five favorite movies of all time. 01:00:50.860 --> 01:00:56.059 Really? Shirley MacLaine and Jack Lemmon. And 01:00:56.059 --> 01:00:58.800 Fred McMurray plays MacLaine's philandering boss. 01:00:59.079 --> 01:01:01.219 And she has a relationship with him and he does 01:01:01.219 --> 01:01:03.860 her dirty. And it's hilarious and heartbreaking. 01:01:04.360 --> 01:01:07.550 Go see this movie. It's beautiful. Maybe that's 01:01:07.550 --> 01:01:08.849 why it was in my head, because I feel like you 01:01:08.849 --> 01:01:10.750 have talked about it before, but I clearly... 01:01:10.750 --> 01:01:13.110 I had had it on the notes previously, but I deleted 01:01:13.110 --> 01:01:17.409 it quickly for the sake of the quiz. Fair enough. 01:01:17.730 --> 01:01:20.349 Let me read a quick anecdote that I love. Yeah. 01:01:20.449 --> 01:01:24.050 That I came across. So, after The Apartment came 01:01:24.050 --> 01:01:26.769 out, Fred McMurray went to Disneyland with his 01:01:26.769 --> 01:01:29.210 daughters, and a woman approached him and said, 01:01:29.369 --> 01:01:32.110 Oh, Mr. McMurray, I've enjoyed your movies throughout 01:01:32.110 --> 01:01:35.659 the years. I saw The Apartment. Last night. How 01:01:35.659 --> 01:01:38.820 could you? You spoiled the Disney image. And 01:01:38.820 --> 01:01:41.099 she whacked him over the head with her purse 01:01:41.099 --> 01:01:47.920 and stormed away. Well done. Well done, ma 'am. 01:01:47.960 --> 01:01:52.000 I love it. I love it. Hey, why not? Why not? 01:01:55.420 --> 01:01:59.239 That's beautiful. Love that. That's a great. 01:01:59.320 --> 01:02:02.320 I love that. Oh, too funny. Okay. All right. 01:02:02.420 --> 01:02:04.940 Last question. This is my favorite one that I've 01:02:04.940 --> 01:02:09.039 written out, and I hope you get it right. Okay, 01:02:09.039 --> 01:02:12.539 let's see. Good luck to you. We've gotten both 01:02:12.539 --> 01:02:15.380 of them right so far, so here we go. After the 01:02:15.380 --> 01:02:18.380 success of The Shaggy Dog, Disney started putting 01:02:18.380 --> 01:02:21.840 animals front and center in many live -action 01:02:21.840 --> 01:02:26.000 movies. Which of these titles is not a Disney 01:02:26.000 --> 01:02:30.639 movie featuring an animal? Are you ready? Oh, 01:02:30.639 --> 01:02:33.820 yeah. Okay, let's go. Feeling good about this 01:02:33.820 --> 01:02:44.320 one. Good. Okay. Is it Not My Zebra? Is it Monkeys 01:02:44.320 --> 01:02:50.360 Go Home? Or is it The Million Dollar Duck? Which 01:02:50.360 --> 01:02:52.699 of these is not a Disney movie? Which is not 01:02:52.699 --> 01:02:55.980 a Disney movie. The other two are Disney movies. 01:02:56.019 --> 01:02:59.599 Okay. I got a little cocky here because I don't 01:02:59.599 --> 01:03:01.750 believe. I don't believe any of those are Disney 01:03:01.750 --> 01:03:06.969 movies. Two of them, in fact, are. I expect you 01:03:06.969 --> 01:03:10.590 to say, you know, that darn cat or. Oh, no, no. 01:03:10.989 --> 01:03:13.170 Big Red. I don't know. That's a movie I've heard 01:03:13.170 --> 01:03:22.269 about. No, no, no. OK. All right. One more time. 01:03:22.329 --> 01:03:25.070 We got a zebra. We got a monkey and we got a 01:03:25.070 --> 01:03:29.829 duck. So, yep. Not my zebra. Monkeys go home. 01:03:30.139 --> 01:03:35.440 Or the Million Dollar Duck. Not My Zebra. Not 01:03:35.440 --> 01:03:40.860 My Zebra is not a Disney movie. Oh, my God. But 01:03:40.860 --> 01:03:42.539 it should be, shouldn't it? It should be. Nor 01:03:42.539 --> 01:03:44.719 is it a movie that I can think of. I made it 01:03:44.719 --> 01:03:50.719 up. But I felt like it was a better title than 01:03:50.719 --> 01:03:55.519 the other titles. Wow. Million Dollar Duck. Million 01:03:55.519 --> 01:04:01.429 Dollar Duck and Monkeys Go Home. They will all 01:04:01.429 --> 01:04:04.829 be featured on magic and monsters. Yeah. I want 01:04:04.829 --> 01:04:07.610 to be clear. Disney didn't make all good comedies. 01:04:07.610 --> 01:04:10.489 They just made a lot of companies. Wow. That's 01:04:10.489 --> 01:04:13.070 a tactic. You just throw a bunch of crap at the 01:04:13.070 --> 01:04:16.250 wall. That's correct. That's correct. And then 01:04:16.250 --> 01:04:18.130 you'll never, they'll stay in the vault forever. 01:04:18.150 --> 01:04:24.559 Right? Oh, man. All right. We're neck and neck 01:04:24.559 --> 01:04:27.800 here, man. I got one more for you. It's kind 01:04:27.800 --> 01:04:30.380 of a softball pitch. So I think you got it. But 01:04:30.380 --> 01:04:33.059 well, we'll see. We'll see. OK, I want you to 01:04:33.059 --> 01:04:36.039 test your first year Latin. Oh, Lord. That's 01:04:36.039 --> 01:04:39.219 like will be. Yeah, that's right. It's all kids 01:04:39.219 --> 01:04:42.960 learn Latin in their first year. OK, again, I 01:04:42.960 --> 01:04:45.079 got it. I just got to go off like I've never 01:04:45.079 --> 01:04:50.099 taken Latin. Never. Not a day. I knew what this 01:04:50.099 --> 01:04:52.539 phrase was like I could. piece it together with 01:04:52.539 --> 01:04:55.000 my rudimentary Spanish. Okay. Sure. All right. 01:04:55.039 --> 01:04:58.260 Yeah. But maybe you can't. Let's see. Please 01:04:58.260 --> 01:05:04.900 translate in canis corpore transmuto. Oh, that's 01:05:04.900 --> 01:05:07.400 that. I'm going to give you three options. That's 01:05:07.400 --> 01:05:11.199 the curse from the Borgias. Yes. Does in canis 01:05:11.199 --> 01:05:15.239 corpore transmuto translate to a into a dog's 01:05:15.239 --> 01:05:19.940 body? I change B. I am transformed by the dog's 01:05:19.940 --> 01:05:24.389 body. Oh, Or C, I have transferred the body to 01:05:24.389 --> 01:05:39.030 the canal. I do know what it's like to transfer 01:05:39.030 --> 01:05:41.130 a body to a canal, so I don't think it's that 01:05:41.130 --> 01:05:44.750 one. Because I feel like if it is that one, I'm 01:05:44.750 --> 01:05:47.650 really going to be mad at myself. Okay. What 01:05:47.650 --> 01:05:48.969 was the first one again? I feel like it was the 01:05:48.969 --> 01:05:50.530 first one, but I want to hear it again. Into 01:05:50.530 --> 01:05:54.690 a dog's body I change, or I am transformed by 01:05:54.690 --> 01:06:00.710 the dog's body. I feel like transformed was not 01:06:00.710 --> 01:06:03.909 a word that would have been used in Latin, so 01:06:03.909 --> 01:06:07.929 I think it's the first one. We are all tied up, 01:06:07.969 --> 01:06:12.989 except I'm 0 .5 points more than you. But hey, 01:06:13.170 --> 01:06:16.840 ace is for all of us. That's great. Our new score 01:06:16.840 --> 01:06:21.019 is 6 to 6 .5. Well done, everybody. Good job. 01:06:21.139 --> 01:06:23.059 That was good. That was fun. I like that. Well 01:06:23.059 --> 01:06:25.980 done, everybody. Good job, Quiz Show. Oh, yeah. 01:06:26.000 --> 01:06:29.079 Lots of suspense there because I was shooting 01:06:29.079 --> 01:06:45.519 in the dark with a couple of those. All right. 01:06:45.599 --> 01:06:48.320 All right. Let's get back into the episode, Vincent. 01:06:48.460 --> 01:06:53.280 What do you say? I say I transferred the body 01:06:53.280 --> 01:06:56.880 to the canal. I transferred the body back to 01:06:56.880 --> 01:07:02.159 our regularly scheduled programming here with 01:07:02.159 --> 01:07:06.639 the Shaggy Dog. So I wanted to talk a little 01:07:06.639 --> 01:07:10.039 bit before we sort of close things out here with 01:07:10.039 --> 01:07:12.840 some just sort of cultural. significance, I guess, 01:07:12.880 --> 01:07:14.760 of this movie when it comes to Disney, and then 01:07:14.760 --> 01:07:17.840 also when it comes to horror movies as well. 01:07:18.639 --> 01:07:21.179 And or are there significances when it comes 01:07:21.179 --> 01:07:24.539 to either of those topics? For sure, I know that 01:07:24.539 --> 01:07:27.300 for Disney, yes, there are quite a few things. 01:07:27.400 --> 01:07:29.219 As I mentioned before, this is their first foray 01:07:29.219 --> 01:07:31.980 into comedies. They were just trying to compete 01:07:31.980 --> 01:07:33.719 with all these other comedies that were starting 01:07:33.719 --> 01:07:38.099 to come out in other studios. And they, you know... 01:07:38.380 --> 01:07:40.559 wanted to be on trend and so this is this is 01:07:40.559 --> 01:07:42.559 the movie they came out with uh and it was very 01:07:42.559 --> 01:07:44.559 on trend with disney as well they didn't sort 01:07:44.559 --> 01:07:47.940 of steer away from classic disney imagination 01:07:47.940 --> 01:07:51.320 and it just it opened the door as we said for 01:07:51.320 --> 01:07:53.800 so many more of these disney comedies it was 01:07:53.800 --> 01:07:57.019 a hit immediately uh after this came the love 01:07:57.019 --> 01:07:59.260 bug the parent trap the absent -minded professor 01:07:59.260 --> 01:08:02.760 it also spawned a few spinoffs the shaggy da 01:08:02.760 --> 01:08:04.980 which if you haven't seen that is definitely 01:08:04.980 --> 01:08:07.940 worth a watch it is next on my list good sir 01:08:07.940 --> 01:08:11.860 i cannot wait it's so exciting it's absurd it's 01:08:11.860 --> 01:08:14.519 absolutely absurd i hear the dog punches a man 01:08:14.519 --> 01:08:17.640 in the face it's it's gold it's really gold it 01:08:17.640 --> 01:08:22.300 jumps the shark immediately It's amazing. It's 01:08:22.300 --> 01:08:24.479 great. It's great. And then also the return of 01:08:24.479 --> 01:08:26.279 the Shaggy Dog. And then, as we said, there was 01:08:26.279 --> 01:08:29.460 a remake with Tim Allen in 2006, which is nowhere 01:08:29.460 --> 01:08:31.800 to be seen. But what are you going to do? As 01:08:31.800 --> 01:08:34.359 you said earlier, this was Fred McMurray's very 01:08:34.359 --> 01:08:37.199 first Disney film, and it just kicked. kicked 01:08:37.199 --> 01:08:41.239 him into a whole new zeitgeist of stardom, basically. 01:08:41.880 --> 01:08:44.159 He played the Appetite Minded Professor, which 01:08:44.159 --> 01:08:47.539 as many people today now know, they remade that 01:08:47.539 --> 01:08:50.340 into the movie Flubber with Robin Williams. That 01:08:50.340 --> 01:08:53.380 was the very first version of that movie. I had 01:08:53.380 --> 01:08:55.920 forgotten that completely. And in my mind, I 01:08:55.920 --> 01:08:59.000 keep mixing it up with the Nutty Professor. which 01:08:59.000 --> 01:09:02.680 was not Disney. I don't know. That might have 01:09:02.680 --> 01:09:04.640 also been a Disney movie, The Nutty Professor, 01:09:04.899 --> 01:09:07.100 I think, but maybe under a different title. I 01:09:07.100 --> 01:09:09.539 can't remember what it was, but remade by Eddie 01:09:09.539 --> 01:09:11.859 Murphy. Right, right. No, Jerry Lewis was in 01:09:11.859 --> 01:09:15.140 the 60s one. Yeah, I think it might have been 01:09:15.140 --> 01:09:16.840 Disney. I guess I can't remember. Wow, yeah. 01:09:18.060 --> 01:09:23.590 What a tangled web. Yeah, for sure. We also mentioned 01:09:23.590 --> 01:09:27.109 Annette Finicello, who was a huge Mickey Mouse 01:09:27.109 --> 01:09:29.710 breakout star at the time. But this was the first 01:09:29.710 --> 01:09:31.890 time they ever put her on film. This was sort 01:09:31.890 --> 01:09:34.949 of her screen test for being in movies. And she 01:09:34.949 --> 01:09:36.250 knocked it out of the park, even though she had 01:09:36.250 --> 01:09:38.409 a very small part. People fell in love with her 01:09:38.409 --> 01:09:41.609 all over again in this movie. And so it just 01:09:41.609 --> 01:09:44.090 jump -started her career as well. And she was 01:09:44.090 --> 01:09:47.189 in hundreds of movies, I feel like, after this. 01:09:47.750 --> 01:09:49.869 Now, interestingly, this is sort of significant. 01:09:50.390 --> 01:09:53.409 for Disney and for Gays Do The D listeners, well, 01:09:53.470 --> 01:09:55.189 all listeners, but specifically for Gays Do The 01:09:55.189 --> 01:09:59.750 D. So, Tommy Kirk, who played Wilby, the main 01:09:59.750 --> 01:10:02.729 character in the movie, in the mid -1960s, it 01:10:02.729 --> 01:10:05.050 was discovered that he was in a gay relationship. 01:10:05.409 --> 01:10:07.970 He wasn't out at the time, but he was outed, 01:10:08.029 --> 01:10:11.670 unfortunately. And Disney, this is, you know, 01:10:11.729 --> 01:10:14.310 dark days for Disney, did not renew his contract 01:10:14.310 --> 01:10:18.569 after figuring this out, as all studios just 01:10:18.569 --> 01:10:20.840 sort of stayed away from him. And all people 01:10:20.840 --> 01:10:23.619 who were sort of outed or out at the time, just, 01:10:23.659 --> 01:10:26.920 it was not okay back then. It wasn't, I don't 01:10:26.920 --> 01:10:28.899 believe it was illegal at the time, but it was, 01:10:28.899 --> 01:10:31.859 you know, very frowned upon to be out and gay. 01:10:31.939 --> 01:10:34.859 His last film with Disney was called Monkey's 01:10:34.859 --> 01:10:38.640 Uncle in 1965, strangely, not strangely, I guess, 01:10:38.699 --> 01:10:40.380 but with Annette Funicello, because she was in 01:10:40.380 --> 01:10:43.489 everything back then. He did continue to act, 01:10:43.550 --> 01:10:47.170 but not in big budget movies. He was in a string 01:10:47.170 --> 01:10:50.550 of very low budget, but basically like college 01:10:50.550 --> 01:10:53.470 level films. He eventually retired from acting 01:10:53.470 --> 01:10:56.250 in the 1970s, and he owned his own business, 01:10:56.430 --> 01:11:00.949 living out as well. Once he was outed, he didn't 01:11:00.949 --> 01:11:02.869 hide it or go back in the closet. He actually 01:11:02.869 --> 01:11:05.329 lived his life fully and out. And interestingly, 01:11:05.489 --> 01:11:09.390 in 2006, he was named a Disney legend by Disney, 01:11:09.529 --> 01:11:12.710 and he attended the ceremony in person. He was 01:11:12.710 --> 01:11:16.069 deeply moved by the honor, and it sounds like... 01:11:16.619 --> 01:11:18.979 It was sort of Disney's way of apologizing to 01:11:18.979 --> 01:11:21.779 him, and he accepted it and moved on with his 01:11:21.779 --> 01:11:24.880 life. Never again in a Disney movie, he stopped 01:11:24.880 --> 01:11:27.439 acting altogether, but he continued to live his 01:11:27.439 --> 01:11:30.720 life fully and out as now a Disney legend. So 01:11:30.720 --> 01:11:35.600 not a great ending with his acting career, but 01:11:35.600 --> 01:11:38.340 it's sort of important to know that it happened. 01:11:38.640 --> 01:11:41.439 And a lot of people sort of, from what I read, 01:11:41.539 --> 01:11:45.539 sort of attributed... tommy kirk to the horrors 01:11:45.539 --> 01:11:47.840 that were happening back then uh to people who 01:11:47.840 --> 01:11:50.699 who were othered by hollywood and they were shunned 01:11:50.699 --> 01:11:53.319 and blacklisted that he didn't shy away from 01:11:53.319 --> 01:11:55.699 it he just sort of said okay this is what it 01:11:55.699 --> 01:11:58.600 is i'm not gonna let it get me down uh and and 01:11:58.600 --> 01:12:01.460 unfortunately it did end his film career though 01:12:01.460 --> 01:12:04.699 so a little significance there for you yeah no 01:12:04.699 --> 01:12:07.079 thank you for sharing um i did not know that 01:12:07.079 --> 01:12:11.020 when i watched the movie does does knowing that 01:12:11.020 --> 01:12:14.369 about tommy kirk When you watch The Shaggy Dog, 01:12:14.670 --> 01:12:18.789 does it inform your viewing in any way? That's 01:12:18.789 --> 01:12:21.010 an interesting question. It's hard to sort of 01:12:21.010 --> 01:12:25.109 separate them now once I learned that. And maybe 01:12:25.109 --> 01:12:27.029 that's why I started to watch it with a different 01:12:27.029 --> 01:12:29.329 lens of like, wow, imagine what he was going 01:12:29.329 --> 01:12:31.949 through in his head at this time. Hard to know 01:12:31.949 --> 01:12:35.010 if he was, you know, in a relationship with, 01:12:35.050 --> 01:12:37.590 you know, another kid his age at the time. Who 01:12:37.590 --> 01:12:39.569 can say? Because I believe he was like 16, 17 01:12:39.569 --> 01:12:44.020 at the time of The Shaggy Dog. But it did make 01:12:44.020 --> 01:12:47.779 me wonder if he made the connection of what we 01:12:47.779 --> 01:12:50.199 were talking about earlier, of coming out as 01:12:50.199 --> 01:12:54.180 a dog, of being this other side of you that you 01:12:54.180 --> 01:12:56.800 have to hide from people, you know what I mean? 01:12:56.979 --> 01:13:01.020 And share it with very select people. So it made 01:13:01.020 --> 01:13:03.640 me feel very passionately for him. And it made 01:13:03.640 --> 01:13:07.000 me, like I said, wonder what... what must he 01:13:07.000 --> 01:13:08.579 have been going through at this time it must 01:13:08.579 --> 01:13:10.560 have been really hard for him you know and so 01:13:10.560 --> 01:13:12.199 that's what i pulled out of it when watching 01:13:12.199 --> 01:13:15.920 it this time so yeah it's interesting because 01:13:15.920 --> 01:13:19.279 on the surface it's it's more about a kid trying 01:13:19.279 --> 01:13:23.159 to be a teenager just any teenager right but 01:13:23.159 --> 01:13:25.720 now knowing what we know about him it's almost 01:13:25.720 --> 01:13:29.399 definitely about a kid coming out right right 01:13:29.399 --> 01:13:33.000 i think that's that's very well said yeah That's 01:13:33.000 --> 01:13:34.600 that's the distinction with this movie on the 01:13:34.600 --> 01:13:38.039 surface. No, Disney's not making a movie about, 01:13:38.220 --> 01:13:41.819 you know, queer identity. But yet you can't not 01:13:41.819 --> 01:13:45.619 acknowledge that aspect of it, too. Yeah. They're 01:13:45.619 --> 01:13:49.180 tangled now forever. Yeah. It makes me think 01:13:49.180 --> 01:13:52.579 about the 1950s in general. It's just this is 01:13:52.579 --> 01:13:55.140 like the monster movie angle science fiction. 01:13:55.199 --> 01:13:58.319 And there's just such an explosion of these types 01:13:58.319 --> 01:14:01.560 of movies dealing with teen angst because teens. 01:14:02.460 --> 01:14:08.020 were a burgeoning subsect of of society obviously 01:14:08.020 --> 01:14:10.680 they're all the teenagers but like teen culture 01:14:10.680 --> 01:14:13.659 as we know it started in the 50s rebel without 01:14:13.659 --> 01:14:17.300 a cause all you know rock and roll like this 01:14:17.300 --> 01:14:19.640 was it and the movies reflected that anxiety 01:14:19.640 --> 01:14:24.470 about teens rebelling Against this very conservative 01:14:24.470 --> 01:14:26.630 time. Cause we also think of the fifties as a 01:14:26.630 --> 01:14:29.930 very like, leave it to beaver clean cut, um, 01:14:30.270 --> 01:14:34.109 very conservative time. Yeah. And it was for 01:14:34.109 --> 01:14:38.710 older people. It was for white people. And then 01:14:38.710 --> 01:14:40.510 all people who came back from world war two, 01:14:40.609 --> 01:14:43.090 just like trying to repress their trauma of the 01:14:43.090 --> 01:14:47.210 war. Fascinating psychology. When you get into 01:14:47.210 --> 01:14:50.130 like, why was everything presented so perfectly? 01:14:50.789 --> 01:14:54.659 And yet underneath, Everyone is dealing with 01:14:54.659 --> 01:14:59.739 a whole mess load of trauma from war, from constrained 01:14:59.739 --> 01:15:02.239 expectations. And that's what the kids were rebelling 01:15:02.239 --> 01:15:06.560 against. And I think you see this in the Shaggy 01:15:06.560 --> 01:15:10.520 Dog, which I'll call a werewolf movie, which 01:15:10.520 --> 01:15:15.699 was a, it wasn't a mainstream popular genre at 01:15:15.699 --> 01:15:18.039 the time. Gothic horror, like werewolves had 01:15:18.039 --> 01:15:21.880 kind of died out in the 40s as a pictures. So, 01:15:21.920 --> 01:15:24.720 by the 50s, they were purely B movies, drive 01:15:24.720 --> 01:15:27.899 -in audiences only. And you had some memorable 01:15:27.899 --> 01:15:29.420 movies. There's a movie called The Werewolf, 01:15:29.520 --> 01:15:32.359 which I would check out. I was a teenage werewolf 01:15:32.359 --> 01:15:35.800 monster on the campus. These are really campy, 01:15:35.800 --> 01:15:38.020 charming movies. They're all on Tubi. Go check 01:15:38.020 --> 01:15:40.739 them out. But I see The Shaggy Dog as just one 01:15:40.739 --> 01:15:44.600 more werewolf movie catering to the teen crowd. 01:15:45.180 --> 01:15:48.420 With the added complexity of the Fred McMurray 01:15:48.420 --> 01:15:51.520 character, who is that older... probably a world 01:15:51.520 --> 01:15:56.819 war ii vet who's dealing with this this threat 01:15:56.819 --> 01:16:02.359 to his perfect world so that's yeah yeah i can 01:16:02.359 --> 01:16:05.220 read way more into the shaggy dog than most people 01:16:05.220 --> 01:16:07.899 and i yeah i love it when a movie makes me think 01:16:07.899 --> 01:16:10.859 about those things i love that that's so great 01:16:10.859 --> 01:16:13.720 to hear and yeah i love your point about the 01:16:13.720 --> 01:16:18.789 1950s and the 60s uh about this wholesome attitude 01:16:18.789 --> 01:16:22.369 that they wanted everyone to see on screen for 01:16:22.369 --> 01:16:25.729 sure like you think of donna reed i love lucy 01:16:25.729 --> 01:16:28.689 all that mean like right but underneath there 01:16:28.689 --> 01:16:30.810 were horrific things happening in this country 01:16:30.810 --> 01:16:33.270 you know and all around the world absolutely 01:16:33.270 --> 01:16:37.090 and and imagine being a teenager at that time 01:16:37.090 --> 01:16:40.550 i mean there's there's every reason why these 01:16:40.960 --> 01:16:42.760 werewolf movies would have been made at this 01:16:42.760 --> 01:16:45.840 very specific time in history because people 01:16:45.840 --> 01:16:48.220 were just like looking for a way to identify 01:16:48.220 --> 01:16:52.239 and yeah if you can't identify as yourself let 01:16:52.239 --> 01:16:57.979 me be a monster then you know yeah yeah man oh 01:16:57.979 --> 01:17:02.000 we the psychology behind that is vast i imagine 01:17:02.000 --> 01:17:08.460 but you know uh I host a podcast all about it. 01:17:08.520 --> 01:17:12.220 Yes, you do. And Patrick, you are a great guest 01:17:12.220 --> 01:17:15.020 host for those of you listening. Patrick's been 01:17:15.020 --> 01:17:18.319 a frequent guest host on Camp Kaiju for Magic 01:17:18.319 --> 01:17:20.300 Monsters and beyond. You've been on some Godzilla 01:17:20.300 --> 01:17:24.479 episodes and we talked about 20 ,000 Leagues, 01:17:24.520 --> 01:17:27.399 but that was another crossover episode. Yeah, 01:17:27.460 --> 01:17:29.279 so I love talking about this stuff with you. 01:17:29.460 --> 01:17:34.739 Same. Yeah, you add so much great insight. I 01:17:34.739 --> 01:17:37.510 appreciate that. Likewise for you. I'm glad that 01:17:37.510 --> 01:17:39.130 we started doing these Magic and Monsters episodes 01:17:39.130 --> 01:17:41.170 because we realized that we like being on each 01:17:41.170 --> 01:17:42.930 other's podcast talking about things. We're like, 01:17:43.010 --> 01:17:45.430 wait a minute, there's a crossover that we can 01:17:45.430 --> 01:17:47.510 just do together. So we don't have to guest star. 01:17:47.590 --> 01:17:51.350 We can just have our own sort of sideshow. It's 01:17:51.350 --> 01:17:53.550 been such an interesting, it sounds like we're 01:17:53.550 --> 01:17:55.609 like wrapping up the entire series, but no, we're 01:17:55.609 --> 01:17:58.430 not. It's been an interesting like foray into 01:17:58.430 --> 01:18:01.689 that, you know, a genre doesn't stand alone all 01:18:01.689 --> 01:18:03.829 the time. It definitely crosses over into other 01:18:03.829 --> 01:18:06.829 territories because there's no, Nothing's necessarily 01:18:06.829 --> 01:18:10.210 original anymore, right? We sort of take and 01:18:10.210 --> 01:18:12.930 dip into other categories to make a more complete 01:18:12.930 --> 01:18:14.409 story. And I think that's what's interesting 01:18:14.409 --> 01:18:17.710 about these specific Disney monster movies that 01:18:17.710 --> 01:18:21.069 they have the yin and the yang of something that's 01:18:21.069 --> 01:18:22.890 really beautiful and magical and something that 01:18:22.890 --> 01:18:25.970 can be seen as grotesque, but throwing them at 01:18:25.970 --> 01:18:29.850 each other makes for a really fun movie watching. 01:18:29.970 --> 01:18:32.510 And I'm glad that we're dissecting these films 01:18:32.510 --> 01:18:36.600 together. Heck yeah. On that note, I have to 01:18:36.600 --> 01:18:39.899 mention, I listened to your recent episode with 01:18:39.899 --> 01:18:45.380 Kale. Is that his name? Your Fab Five rated R 01:18:45.380 --> 01:18:48.039 moments. Oh, yeah. The most recent episode. Yeah. 01:18:48.640 --> 01:18:53.119 I loved it because I was in my car listening, 01:18:53.220 --> 01:18:57.279 saying, yes, The Hunchback of Notre Dame. Yes, 01:18:57.340 --> 01:19:02.439 to the Beauty and the Beast things. Yes, to everything 01:19:02.439 --> 01:19:05.319 you guys talked about. So that was a lot of fun. 01:19:05.699 --> 01:19:08.840 That's awesome. Hey, thanks. Yeah, it's just 01:19:08.840 --> 01:19:11.579 fun to, like, Disney doesn't, isn't always the 01:19:11.579 --> 01:19:14.380 sugar -coated, you know, entity that people seem 01:19:14.380 --> 01:19:16.920 to think it is. It's not just, you know, for 01:19:16.920 --> 01:19:21.539 little kids, for sure. Because even the Shaggy 01:19:21.539 --> 01:19:23.439 Dog, I mean, it gets dark in the Shaggy Dog. 01:19:23.520 --> 01:19:24.859 Yeah. There's some moments where you're like, 01:19:24.920 --> 01:19:28.859 what? Child murder is a second from happening. 01:19:31.780 --> 01:19:35.479 Yeah, it's wild. It's wild. Oh, good times. Well, 01:19:35.699 --> 01:19:38.079 what do you say we wrap things up, Vincent? That 01:19:38.079 --> 01:19:41.000 was a fun episode to do. I'm glad that we finally 01:19:41.000 --> 01:19:43.760 got around to doing this. It's such a great, 01:19:43.840 --> 01:19:48.739 a classic movie. And I'm proud to have presented 01:19:48.739 --> 01:19:51.500 it to you and to have convinced you that it is, 01:19:51.500 --> 01:19:55.159 in fact, a werewolf movie. It is a werewolf movie. 01:19:55.640 --> 01:19:59.939 I'm so glad I saw the Shaggy Dog. I love Disney. 01:20:00.939 --> 01:20:04.439 I'm not like a Disney nut, but, you know, you 01:20:04.439 --> 01:20:07.039 can't get away from it. And as a lover of cinema, 01:20:07.260 --> 01:20:11.619 it's just. Yeah. Disney is such a unique special 01:20:11.619 --> 01:20:14.600 studio in the history and everything they've 01:20:14.600 --> 01:20:18.060 done for film. Yeah. Yeah. It's good stuff. So 01:20:18.060 --> 01:20:21.199 thank you. Do you want to know what we're going 01:20:21.199 --> 01:20:23.520 to do next? Oh, do you have something? I was 01:20:23.520 --> 01:20:24.840 just going to ask. I was like, the ball's in 01:20:24.840 --> 01:20:26.460 your court, Vincent, for next time. But do you 01:20:26.460 --> 01:20:28.880 have one already? Should we tell everyone what 01:20:28.880 --> 01:20:31.899 we're going to do next? We should because I need 01:20:31.899 --> 01:20:37.000 to shout out our friend of the podcast who helped 01:20:37.000 --> 01:20:41.479 us out on this huge, huge lift. Oh, that's right. 01:20:41.579 --> 01:20:43.079 I know exactly what you're going to talk about. 01:20:43.100 --> 01:20:44.899 Okay, great. I'm so excited about this. I totally 01:20:44.899 --> 01:20:48.600 forgot about it. Yeah. So, Jeff, I know you're 01:20:48.600 --> 01:20:53.880 listening. Thank you. for letting us borrow your 01:20:53.880 --> 01:20:57.619 Blu -ray copy of The Watcher in the Woods. I'm 01:20:57.619 --> 01:21:00.020 so excited. I'm so excited to do this movie. 01:21:00.180 --> 01:21:03.760 This is the movie that stars Betty Davis. It's 01:21:03.760 --> 01:21:06.479 from 1979. It's about a bunch of kids and a ghost, 01:21:06.539 --> 01:21:09.779 as far as I know. Because guess what? Nobody's 01:21:09.779 --> 01:21:13.420 seen this movie. Jeff has. But you talk about 01:21:13.420 --> 01:21:16.760 Disney burying things. Oh, yeah. They've discontinued 01:21:16.760 --> 01:21:19.680 production of physical copies. This movie is 01:21:19.680 --> 01:21:23.640 not on streaming anywhere, let alone Disney Plus. 01:21:24.060 --> 01:21:26.899 That's correct. But its reputation is literally 01:21:26.899 --> 01:21:29.899 the scariest Disney movie of all time. Yeah. 01:21:29.920 --> 01:21:33.399 Yeah. Yeah. I'm excited to dive into why Disney 01:21:33.399 --> 01:21:35.220 disappeared this movie as well, because like 01:21:35.220 --> 01:21:39.520 fully disappeared it. Like why? Why? It just, 01:21:39.619 --> 01:21:42.750 it baffles me. Yeah. We're going to get into 01:21:42.750 --> 01:21:44.229 it. We're going to figure it out. So, okay, good. 01:21:44.329 --> 01:21:46.069 I'm so excited about this. Thank you so much, 01:21:46.109 --> 01:21:48.350 Jeff. I cannot wait to watch this. And it means 01:21:48.350 --> 01:21:49.810 that you and I have to watch it together because 01:21:49.810 --> 01:21:53.029 I, alas, do not have a Blu -ray player. And so 01:21:53.029 --> 01:21:57.050 I'll be coming over to your house. Wow. I don't 01:21:57.050 --> 01:22:00.989 know how I feel about that. I feel like, am I? 01:22:01.770 --> 01:22:04.449 Just an artifact for having a Blu -ray player 01:22:04.449 --> 01:22:07.810 these days. No, no. They're very useful for this 01:22:07.810 --> 01:22:11.930 one specific instance. Hard media people, physical 01:22:11.930 --> 01:22:16.550 copies. This way, the corporate conglomerates 01:22:16.550 --> 01:22:21.810 cannot take away your movies. You own them. That's 01:22:21.810 --> 01:22:24.909 my soapbox. Amazing. Amazing. Well, thank you. 01:22:24.909 --> 01:22:27.109 Yes. Thank you, Jeff. And thank you to all of 01:22:27.109 --> 01:22:31.510 our Patreon listeners on Gaze to the D and all 01:22:31.510 --> 01:22:34.369 of the Patreon listeners from Camp Kaiju. We 01:22:34.369 --> 01:22:38.329 love you. Thank you for supporting us. You make 01:22:38.329 --> 01:22:41.890 things like this happen. So hopefully that's 01:22:41.890 --> 01:22:44.850 a good thing. I don't know. Thank you. Please 01:22:44.850 --> 01:22:48.229 leave us a positive rating and review. Yes. It 01:22:48.229 --> 01:22:51.420 just helps grow our audience. And we're very 01:22:51.420 --> 01:22:53.380 proud of our show. So we'd love to share it with 01:22:53.380 --> 01:22:56.539 you all. Thank you for that support. 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Well, with that, I hope that you don't 01:23:41.939 --> 01:23:43.899 run into any spies and you don't turn into a 01:23:43.899 --> 01:23:47.279 dog this evening, Vincent. Right. I hope that 01:23:47.279 --> 01:23:53.000 you don't come across an old professor in a haunted 01:23:53.000 --> 01:23:56.640 house. And I hope you don't put on the ring he 01:23:56.640 --> 01:23:58.739 gives you. I always put on a ring. If there's 01:23:58.739 --> 01:24:03.199 a ring in front of me. Into the body that goes 01:24:03.199 --> 01:24:06.739 the canal. into the canal goes the body there 01:24:06.739 --> 01:24:09.960 it is i dragged a body from a canal