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There's one moment where I don't know if it's

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supposed to be funny or not, but like they go

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into a murder scene and there's blood everywhere

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and it's very gruesome. And Forrest Whitaker's

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character says something like, something terrible

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happened here. And it's like, yeah, obviously.

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Like, is that your contribution to the investigation?

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I was losing my mind over this character. Hello

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and welcome to Camp Kaiju Monster Movie Podcast.

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We're your hosts, Matt Levine and Vincent Hannum.

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And we're talking about all our favorite monster

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movies, the good, the bad, and the downright

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campy, and asking if they stand the test of time.

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Traditional Kaiju creature features, space invaders,

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the supernatural, and everything in between.

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All strange beasts welcome here. Camp Kaiju is

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in the show notes. In January, the message from

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an extraterrestrial source was picked up at the

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Parks Observatory in Australia. A new sequence

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of DNA. Friendly instructions on how to combine

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it with ours. This growth is amazing. The decision

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was made to terminate the experiment. Working

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out! Has she escaped? We have a serious emergency

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on our hands. I want a team to track her. Hunt

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her down. You created a monster, now you want

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us to kill it. We decided to make it female.

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So that it would be more docile and controllable.

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More docile and controllable, huh? I guess you

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guys don't get out much. She wants to have a

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baby. She'll kill anyone that gets in her way.

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I wouldn't hurt you. Yes, you would. I just don't

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know it yet. She can have a dozen babies. She

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can lay a thousand eggs. Something's wrong. Vincent,

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it's good to see you. How are you doing? Oh,

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I'm good. I'm good. Last night was a really great

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time. You and I co -hosted the Film Friends movie

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trivia with friend of the pod, Naomi Osborne.

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It's her deal. We've been hyping it up on the

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podcast for months now. But last night was, you

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know, as of this recording anyways, we're recording

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on May 6th, and trivia was May 5th. It was a

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blast. Met some really great people. Had some

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really great film -centered conversations. Absolutely.

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I had so much fun last night. I have always loved

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trivia. Obviously, we love movies, but I've never

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co -hosted trivia myself. So I was honestly a

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little bit nervous when the night started, but

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it was so much fun. Great to meet people like

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you said. Yeah, just really had a blast last

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night. I'm glad you said that because I was also

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weirdly nervous. And here we are. I mean, it's

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like a podcast, but people are actually watching.

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Right. Which is different. Different set of rules.

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But no, it went great. And I think my questions

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were a little hard. We had some kaiju limericks

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listeners now. And, you know, maybe we'll share

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some of those at the break at some point in this

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episode. See if you can test your kaiju knowledge.

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Yeah, that would be fun for sure. I didn't really

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do too many kaiju questions last night. I tried

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to sort of let you take the ball on that. But

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yeah, I love the limerick category. I was fond

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of my basketball -themed category since the NBA

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playoffs are going on now. So it was a great

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time. And anybody in the Twin Cities, if you

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are interested in going to Film Friends Movie

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Trivia, it's the first Monday of every month

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at Indeed Brewing. I think it starts at 7 .30

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every month. So check it out. Such a good time.

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100%. Links to that and more in our show notes.

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And yeah, I'm ready to talk about Species. Yeah.

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I mean, we'll talk about our personal histories

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with this movie shortly. But all I really knew

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about Species was that it was trashy and sleazy.

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And it's about a killer alien. And I was like,

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well, we have to talk about this movie, right?

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I think tawdry was the word you used last time.

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Yeah. I love that word, and it certainly applies

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to the movie Species. Which, I mean, it's also

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kind of fun because it's 30 years old. It came

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out in 1995. And I just think that's kind of

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a cool era because, you know, I was like, I was

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10 or 11 when this movie came out. I'm a little

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bit older than you, so you were probably like

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6, 5 or 6 maybe, somewhere around there. I was

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4, but thank you. yeah so it's just it's kind

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of cool to like remember my childhood because

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i like knew about this movie when it came out

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but i was too young to see it my parents obviously

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would have never let me see this at the time

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and it's it's just like a relic from another

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era even though it's only 30 years old well speaking

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of relics i do love this like period the mid

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90s for monster movies because the relic was

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from around the same time i mean then you had

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like some pretty high profile movies, Independence

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Day, you know, Men in Black. But then you had

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some more kind of off kilter films like Species.

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The Faculty comes to mind. Yeah. That's from

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99. But I think as we do this podcast and we

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watch all these movies, it's like kind of like

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a post Jurassic Park. Oh, we can, we can blend

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the CGI with the practical effects from our traditions.

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And I think the 90s was just like the great,

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almost like Petri dish of artists saying, hey,

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let's do some messed up things with these new

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special effects. Yeah, yeah, it's it's I love

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the way that you put it, a Petri dish of different

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styles and like experimenting with special effects.

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That's totally true. I feel like sometimes the

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final version of those experiments don't always

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age very well, but they're fascinating even for

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that reason, you know? Yeah. Dr. Moreau, for

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instance. Yeah, yep, there's some terrible CGI

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in that movie. And that will be a recurring theme

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throughout tonight's conversation as well, I

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would imagine. Oh my gosh, yeah. But not to get

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too far ahead of ourselves. Aside from Species,

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have you seen any other good monster movies recently?

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Oh, since, you know, I... What did I watch? I

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watched Honey, I Blew Up the Kid. Oh, I watched

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The Shaggy Dog. Ooh. Which me and Patrick Kozicki

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are going to talk about when we do a crossover

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episode. Cool. Go check it out if you want to.

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It's like if Disney made a werewolf movie. Yeah,

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that about sums it up. So very, I mean, I'm aware

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of the Shaggy Dog. I've never seen it, but very

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family friendly. Nothing remotely scary in that

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movie, right? Right. But it's from 1959. So there's

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like some. Actual like Cold War commentary. There's

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spies involved. There's dark magic and lycanthropy.

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Wow. More than I bargained for. And I was, you

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know, I was there for it. Cool. I might have

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to check that out now. I tend to lean into like

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the horror monster movies, but maybe I should

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like, you know, try to explore the comedic lighthearted

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side of that as well. You know, one time years

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ago, you mentioned how much you enjoy Harry and

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the Hendersons. Yeah, very much so, yeah. Yeah.

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That movie's synonymous with my childhood. Watched

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so many times with my parents. I've only seen

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it once, but, you know, this is my, you know,

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maybe you bring it to the podcast one day. Who

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knows? Yeah. There are a lot of classic moments

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in that movie for sure. And like the famous bittersweet

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farewell between John Lithgow and Harry, which

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is like part of, I think, like pop culture. I

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feel like everybody just knows about that scene,

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even if they don't know what movie it's from.

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It's just like so well known and so frequently

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parodied and mocked. But it's a great, it's a

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fun movie. So I'm glad you reminded me of that.

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Maybe that will be on the podcast someday. Yeah.

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I did want to shout out two monster movies that

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I've seen recently. One of which is a hugely

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popular movie right now. I feel like a lot of

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people are talking about it. But Sinners is as

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good as everybody is saying. Oh, you did see

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it. Yeah, yeah, I did. And I don't think this

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is really a spoiler. I feel like probably everybody

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knows by now that it's a vampire movie. And I

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didn't totally love the specific vampire. Like

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I kind of wish they had gone with a different

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monster of choice. But everything else about

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that movie I loved. And there's one scene right

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about in the middle of the movie that's like

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the best thing I've seen in a movie theater in

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years. And I could tell like everybody around

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me was like similarly just like jaw on the floor

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losing their minds over it. It's really incredible.

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So definitely see that movie. I can't. Oh, man.

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Don't overhype it for me. I'm going to hate you

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if I go in. I'm like, damn it. Matt overhyped

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it. I'm sorry. That could be the case. I mean,

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the movie has some flaws for sure, but I didn't

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want to expect too much when I went into it and

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I was really blown away. So I hope you are as

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well, Vincent and everybody else listening. Yeah,

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I will keep expectations low. So then I'll love

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it. Yeah, I should keep my enthusiasm in check

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a little bit maybe. The other one I saw, which

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is very weird and maybe not ultimately all that

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good, but definitely worth watching, is The Keep

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from 1983. It's an early Michael Mann movie.

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This is kind of a notorious production that was

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like taken away by the studio. And I think the

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initial cut of the movie was 210 minutes and

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the final version is 96 minutes. So just like

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so much was cut out of this movie. It's about

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an old kind of... They call it the Keep. I guess

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it's kind of like a fortress that's in Romania

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that a bunch of Nazis break into. This is set

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during World War II. They want to steal some

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treasure from this crypt thing, keep, fortress,

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whatever it is. And they unleash an ancient demon.

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So it's very much like Nazis getting like brutally

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annihilated. Oh my gosh. Yeah, and it looks gorgeous.

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It has a great Tangerine Dream soundtrack. So

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like really cool trippy music. Wow. Ultimately,

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it's kind of a bad movie. Like it doesn't make

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any sense at all. Definitely worth watching,

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especially for Michael Mann fans or just horror

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movie fans. It's great in its own way. That's

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fascinating. Wow. Yeah. See, got to put that

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on my list now. Totally. Yeah. I've been wanting

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to see it for years. There's a good new Blu -ray

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copy that just came out of it. So yeah, check

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it out for anybody. Will do. Yeah. Well, getting

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into our nuts and bolts of Camp Kaiju before

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my head, Matt, we can talk offline maybe about

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some viewings or some screenings, some other

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kind of live events that we don't have to like

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break our backs over, but still deliver some

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quality experiences around monster movies. Totally.

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I love that. Whatever form it takes, I'm very

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excited for it. Just hanging out, watching movies

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and talking about movies. That's what we're about

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here. Heck yeah. Cool. And up next on Camp Kaiju,

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Vincent, there's a movie that you're bringing

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to the pod. Do you want to briefly mention what's

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going to be next? Yeah, next we are going to

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visit some traditional kaiju with Gamera the

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Giant Monster. As it's known in the American

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release, Gamera the Invincible. There are some

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differences in the cuts. I'm going to do my best

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to watch the Japanese subtitled version, Gamera

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Giant Monster. For the listeners out there, no

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harm, no foul if you catch Gamera the Invincible.

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I think that would be an interesting conversation

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to compare and contrast. But it's the first Gamera

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film ever featured, ever made from Daiei Studios.

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So I think it'll be really great to revisit or

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to visit an original big kaiju such as Gamera.

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Getting back to the classics. Yeah, I'm excited.

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And I just watched the Japanese version, I think

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like two or three years ago. So maybe I'll try

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to watch the American cut this time around. Okay.

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Yeah. That one's public domain. You'll find it

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on Tubi anywhere. Cool. I think I have some bargain

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bin DVDs with it. So yeah, it's, yeah, it's all

00:14:12.789 --> 00:14:15.429
right. The quality may not be good, but the movie's

00:14:15.429 --> 00:14:18.610
the movie. Right. Yeah. It'll be a cool compare

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and contrast though, if we watch the different

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versions. So yeah, I'm excited. Gamera, friend

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of all children. You know it. And then after

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that, we are watching your pick. Is it Swamp

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Thing? I think you might be right. I haven't

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looked that far ahead in a while. Swamp Thing,

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A Friend of All Children? Who knows? I mean,

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I've never seen Swamp Thing. I'm excited to watch

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it. You're right that Swamp Thing is my next

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choice. And like the 80s version directed by

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Wes Craven is the one that we'll be talking about.

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Yeah, I hope that swamp thing is a friend to

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all children. I feel like he is. He's very eco

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-minded, you know, eco -friendly. Okay, well,

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so is the creature from the Black Lagoon, but

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I wouldn't call him child -friendly. Yeah, true.

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But, you know, I mean, you fell in love with

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the creature from the Black Lagoon when you were

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a child, so maybe he is a friend to all children,

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you know? I mean, how do you define friend, really?

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That's what we're getting into. Yeah, yeah. A

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common theme from monster movies. He's just misunderstood.

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Right. Yeah. He's your friend if you treat him

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well. If not, then look out, you know. I'm just

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very excited to watch a Wes Craven movie that's

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not a nightmare on Elm Street. I haven't done

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that personally. So yeah, I'm looking forward

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to that episode too. Me too. Yeah, for sure.

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So some good stuff coming up on Camp Kaju. Stay

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tuned. As far as species goes, what is your personal

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history with this movie? This is it's so funny

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when you suggested this movie for the podcast,

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because I think I facepalmed because I watched

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like two years ago. No, it was last year when

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I was on parental leave. I was staying up late

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with Ada on just like sleeping in my lap, just

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a newborn baby. And I did something I don't really

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do. I just like blindly watch whatever movie

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looks interesting. And I was on Hulu and I went

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through a string. I watched like Live, Die, Repeat

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or Edge of Tomorrow. I watched some other tawdry

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films. Basket Case, I think, was one of them.

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Oh, yeah, that's very tawdry. Chud, very tawdry.

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But then I saw Species and I was like, well,

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that looks like an alien movie. Let's watch it.

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And, you know, after I was done, I was like,

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well, that was two hours of my life that. I don't

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think I would have spent if I had nothing else

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to do. But with that said, there's a whole lot

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of camp in this movie. Not always intentional.

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Actually, I don't think any of it's intentional.

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Yeah, there's a little bit of intentional humor

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in the movie, but most of it probably is unintentional.

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Yeah, I'm going to, you know, I'm not going to

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bury the lead too much, but I have a lot of critiques

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of this movie. I'm going to pull my hair out

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a little bit as we talk about this movie. But

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I think. Therein lies the fun of talking about

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this movie. So, you know, I still I love all

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all monster movies, even if they make me crazy.

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Yeah. Yeah. And this one can definitely make

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you crazy for sure. There's well, yeah, not not

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burying the lead, like you said, but like some

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stuff to love. Or like, at least, some stuff

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to be really entertained by. But a lot of stuff

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that just really goes off the rails and is kind

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of cringeworthy. So we'll talk about that shortly

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here. Yeah. Okay, well, what's your personal

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history? Up until last night when I finally watched

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it, I didn't really have any history with this

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movie. I, you know, kind of like I briefly alluded

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to before, I was 11, I think about 11 years old

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when this movie came out. And I remember, even

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back then, like, the marketing tactic for this

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movie was like, naked women all the time, you

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know, like, that's what they really promoted.

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And the movie did really well for that reason,

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which I that I don't know if that's a good or

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a bad thing. But I was aware of it at that time.

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I was 11 years old, like I said, and I was like,

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Oh, I would like to see this movie, but that's

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not gonna happen anytime soon. So it is fun to

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return to it, you know, like 30 years later,

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I'm obviously very different than I was when

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I was 11 years old. And, you know, I mean, like

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the, yeah, the tawdry sensationalistic elements,

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they're there absolutely there are a lot of them

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but there's a lot of other stuff too a lot of

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other stuff to talk about so but it was no it's

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it's like a yeah i remember very distinctly being

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a young kid and hearing about this movie and

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yeah everything it had to offer but no that's

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cool i i wish i could remember some of these

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movies from back in the day you know i saw titanic

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in the theater of all things and i was about

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five years old so it you know it's possible my

00:19:02.769 --> 00:19:05.900
mom took me to see species But it's not possible

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because she's not that kind of mom. But yeah,

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covered your eyes for most of the movie. Most

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of the movie. Yeah. Yeah. Have you seen any of

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the sequels? No. Have you? No, I have not. And

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like, even though, you know, I have mixed feelings

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about this one. I am kind of like morbidly curious

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about the sequels. So maybe I'll check them out.

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I just want to know. I just want to know if the

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rat alien hybrid. appears in the sequel because

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if it's not about that rat why am i watching

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this sequel yeah that is a campy ending for sure

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and like what a good idea for a sequel you know

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like a rat alien sexy woman hybrid i would definitely

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watch that movie but i don't think that's what

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they did sadly careful you'll convince me that

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i like this movie that's one of my main missions

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tonight not really i'm just kidding but i wouldn't

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be sad if that happens from the producer of aliens

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and terminator 2 33 homo sapien are you what

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are you talking about gradual extinction of the

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human race the relic Starts Friday, January 10th.

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Can we see you for a minute? These students are

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starting to suspect their teachers are from another

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planet. Guess what? Now we're gonna have some

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fun. They're right. Now, these six students won't

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just question authority. They'll have to destroy

00:20:52.849 --> 00:20:58.990
it. No way. The faculty. Please report to the

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principal's office. In theaters everywhere, Friday,

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December 25th. It fills the darkness. It feeds

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on fear. What the hell is that? It has come to

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destroy the only threat to its existence. The

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virus. Oh, my God. Called man. I'm gonna die!

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From the producer of T2 and Aliens. Virus. Rated

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R. Starts Friday, January 15th at theaters everywhere.

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On Dr. Moreau's island, there are three rules.

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Don't drink the water. Don't disturb the natives.

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And whatever you do, don't feed the animals.

00:22:01.989 --> 00:22:06.069
So let's dive into the crew of the movie Species.

00:22:06.069 --> 00:22:09.150
A surprisingly, like, very accomplished, capable

00:22:09.150 --> 00:22:13.319
crew, I would say. 100%. Yeah. Yeah. So it's

00:22:13.319 --> 00:22:15.940
directed by Roger Donaldson, an Australian filmmaker.

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He's worked in Hollywood, in his home country

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of Australia, New Zealand, the United Kingdom.

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I feel like he's one of those directors where,

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like, you've probably seen a movie by him, even

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if you're not aware of it. He made Dante's Peak.

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He made 13 Days. No Way Out, the Gene Hackman,

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Kevin Costner movie. So he has some, like, fun,

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maybe not great, but still entertaining, you

00:22:37.980 --> 00:22:39.920
know, just, yeah, just, like, good stories in

00:22:39.920 --> 00:22:42.599
his resume. Yeah, I see he directed Cocktail,

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which for a time was one of my favorite movies.

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But I digress. I don't want to talk about Cocktail

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with the time we have. Fair enough. I've never

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actually seen Cocktail. I know that's supposed

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to be a pretty bad movie, but Tom Cruise's star

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power made it a huge hit. I went through a Tom

00:23:01.460 --> 00:23:03.880
Cruise phase. He could have done anything and

00:23:03.880 --> 00:23:06.880
I was there for it. Yeah, totally. And I think

00:23:06.880 --> 00:23:08.859
that's true of a lot of people in the late 80s,

00:23:08.859 --> 00:23:10.339
because I think that's why that movie was a huge

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success. Maybe, you know, not the best movie

00:23:14.359 --> 00:23:17.599
on Roger Donaldson's filmography, but I feel

00:23:17.599 --> 00:23:20.700
like he had a skill for like making okay movies

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that made a ton of money and the studios loved

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him for that, you know? Well, yeah, certainly

00:23:24.660 --> 00:23:26.779
you're going to get work with that. But listeners,

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let us know, cocktail or species? Which do you

00:23:29.420 --> 00:23:34.500
prefer? That's the question for today. Two very

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different movies. Wow. I mean, I assume since

00:23:37.759 --> 00:23:40.480
I haven't seen Cocktail, but. We're talking too

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much about Cocktail. Yeah. One more thing about

00:23:43.039 --> 00:23:45.799
Roger Donaldson. He also made a remake of Mutiny

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on the Bounty, which we were talking about last

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night. Oh, who was in that? That was Mel Gibson.

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Yes, exactly. Mel Gibson in The Bounty from 1984.

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Another Roger Donaldson movie. Yep. Yep. Yep.

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Which I haven't seen. I I'm not really dying

00:24:00.599 --> 00:24:03.140
to go through Roger Donaldson's oeuvre, but,

00:24:03.220 --> 00:24:05.039
you know, maybe I'll check it out at some point.

00:24:05.240 --> 00:24:08.259
Well, nice use of the word oeuvre. Love that

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word. I feel like you have to pronounce like

00:24:10.200 --> 00:24:12.599
really pronounce it, you know, as French as possible

00:24:12.599 --> 00:24:15.819
whenever you say it. Why would you not? Yeah.

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Oeuvre. It was written by Dennis Feldman. He's

00:24:22.200 --> 00:24:24.799
another guy who, well, maybe he doesn't have

00:24:24.799 --> 00:24:27.480
a lot of hits on his resume. He did write The

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Golden Child, the Eddie Murphy, another movie

00:24:31.000 --> 00:24:33.200
I've never seen, but the Eddie Murphy like comedy

00:24:33.200 --> 00:24:35.700
supernatural sort of fantasy movie from the 80s.

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Another Dennis Feldman joint in addition to Species.

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And then he wrote the first four Species movies.

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And also this is one of the things I love about

00:24:44.980 --> 00:24:49.750
Camp Kaiju. I discover or like rediscover so

00:24:49.750 --> 00:24:51.569
many movies where I'm like, oh yeah, I do want

00:24:51.569 --> 00:24:53.529
to see that at some point. So Dennis Feldman

00:24:53.529 --> 00:24:56.170
also wrote the movie Virus from 1999 starring

00:24:56.170 --> 00:24:59.130
Jamie Lee Curtis, another killer alien movie,

00:24:59.329 --> 00:25:01.829
which now I'm like, oh yeah, I'm dying to see

00:25:01.829 --> 00:25:03.950
that. I got to check it out. See, it was a thing

00:25:03.950 --> 00:25:08.170
in the 90s. Aliens and sci -fi was a big genre

00:25:08.170 --> 00:25:11.539
in the 90s. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think like

00:25:11.539 --> 00:25:13.119
you were talking about before, maybe it's just

00:25:13.119 --> 00:25:14.940
the appeal of special effects and that's like

00:25:14.940 --> 00:25:17.559
the best way to get that special effects work

00:25:17.559 --> 00:25:21.759
out there, you know? Yeah. Okay. Do you want

00:25:21.759 --> 00:25:23.400
to talk about any of the other crew members?

00:25:24.180 --> 00:25:27.700
Uh, sure. Cinematography is by Matt. Help me

00:25:27.700 --> 00:25:29.259
out here. I gave you the hardest name. Sorry.

00:25:29.859 --> 00:25:32.400
Andre Bartkowiak, I think is how you pronounce

00:25:32.400 --> 00:25:35.980
his name. Okay. Andre Bartkowiak, a Polish director

00:25:35.980 --> 00:25:38.700
of photography. He worked often with Sidney Lumet.

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Lumet? Lumet? I've heard Lumet, but I guess I

00:25:42.259 --> 00:25:44.000
don't totally know which one is accurate. Okay.

00:25:45.000 --> 00:25:49.200
Well, I'm fairly sure it's Lumet, but I could

00:25:49.200 --> 00:25:52.039
be wrong. Okay, that's fine. Well, either way,

00:25:52.119 --> 00:25:54.759
Sidney Lumet, you know, films Twins Falling Down,

00:25:54.859 --> 00:25:59.180
Speed, Jade, The Devil's Advocate. And so he

00:25:59.180 --> 00:26:03.339
collaborated with cinematographer Andrzej Bartkowiak.

00:26:03.869 --> 00:26:05.789
who later became a director himself, primarily

00:26:05.789 --> 00:26:08.730
of action movies like Romeo Must Die, Exit Wounds,

00:26:08.789 --> 00:26:13.049
and Cradle to the Grave. Romeo Must Die is a

00:26:13.049 --> 00:26:14.769
fun movie. I don't know if you've seen that.

00:26:14.910 --> 00:26:18.049
No, I'm not familiar. It's good. Jet Li. All

00:26:18.049 --> 00:26:22.730
right. Oh, okay. Well, Species is edited by Conrad

00:26:22.730 --> 00:26:26.869
Buff, an Oscar winner for editing Titanic. That's

00:26:26.869 --> 00:26:28.210
the second time we've mentioned that tonight.

00:26:28.430 --> 00:26:32.710
Yeah. Also edited Equinox. Oh, my God. Yeah.

00:26:33.819 --> 00:26:36.339
Equinox, Matt, you got to see. It's an essential

00:26:36.339 --> 00:26:40.180
viewing, independent, like student film, but

00:26:40.180 --> 00:26:44.200
features some really great stop -motion demons

00:26:44.200 --> 00:26:49.079
and like a Necronomicon type of book. Whoa. It's

00:26:49.079 --> 00:26:51.559
fascinating. I own it. Criterion Collection,

00:26:51.819 --> 00:26:54.839
check it out. Awesome. That's yet another one

00:26:54.839 --> 00:26:56.420
where I was like, I forgot about this movie,

00:26:56.480 --> 00:26:57.900
and now I need to see it as soon as possible.

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The producer is the same producer of The Blob.

00:27:02.799 --> 00:27:05.140
Equinox gets kicked around in conversations with

00:27:05.140 --> 00:27:10.480
the blob a lot. Cool. Blob a lot. Yeah. The remake

00:27:10.480 --> 00:27:13.240
of the blob, I assume, right? No, no. The 50s

00:27:13.240 --> 00:27:17.000
one. Wow, cool. Yeah. Nice. What else? Battlestar

00:27:17.000 --> 00:27:19.440
Galactica, Empire Strikes Back, E .T., Raiders

00:27:19.440 --> 00:27:21.700
of the Lost Ark, Poltergeist. So he worked with

00:27:21.700 --> 00:27:24.680
Spielberg a lot. James Cameron, Roger Donaldson,

00:27:24.880 --> 00:27:30.640
Antoine Fukua, and M. Night Shyamalan. Big name.

00:27:31.240 --> 00:27:33.559
Yeah. That's the thing about species. There's

00:27:33.559 --> 00:27:37.180
so many big names working on this picture. So,

00:27:37.180 --> 00:27:42.960
you know, more to come on that. Music by Christopher

00:27:42.960 --> 00:27:46.299
Young, who worked on horror movies and thrillers

00:27:46.299 --> 00:27:49.400
such as Hellraiser, The Grudge, Drag Me to Hell,

00:27:49.519 --> 00:27:52.859
Sinister, Nightmare on Elm Street 2, Invaders

00:27:52.859 --> 00:27:57.960
from Mars, Tobey Hooper's 1986 remake. Which,

00:27:57.960 --> 00:28:00.359
of course, was not that movie, but the original

00:28:00.359 --> 00:28:02.759
Invaders from Mars on our last episode. Yeah.

00:28:02.900 --> 00:28:05.279
This is great. We're going through a whole lot

00:28:05.279 --> 00:28:09.759
of just classic horror sci -fi movies. Yeah.

00:28:09.819 --> 00:28:15.180
But here is the creme de la creme. The special

00:28:15.180 --> 00:28:19.640
effects dude, H .R. Giger. Do you want to talk

00:28:19.640 --> 00:28:22.680
about Mr. Giger? Yeah, sure. He, of course, is

00:28:22.680 --> 00:28:24.779
most famous for designing the aliens from the

00:28:24.779 --> 00:28:28.299
Alien series, the xenomorphs. who are now part

00:28:28.299 --> 00:28:31.680
of horror movie lore based on H .R. Giger's designs.

00:28:32.140 --> 00:28:35.039
He's done a lot of art over the years, a lot

00:28:35.039 --> 00:28:38.480
of like sketches, paintings, puppets, even aside

00:28:38.480 --> 00:28:41.500
from his film work. Not surprisingly, very dark,

00:28:41.539 --> 00:28:44.880
kind of like biomechanical, like humans mixed

00:28:44.880 --> 00:28:47.559
with monsters, mixed with machines. So yeah,

00:28:47.660 --> 00:28:50.400
he designed the look of Syl in this movie. Syl

00:28:50.400 --> 00:28:53.400
is the name of the alien played in human form

00:28:53.400 --> 00:28:56.920
by Natasha Henstridge. However, Geiger's design

00:28:56.920 --> 00:28:58.619
of Syl went through a lot of transformations

00:28:58.619 --> 00:29:01.019
throughout the production of this movie. He had

00:29:01.019 --> 00:29:03.359
a lot of different ideas for like different stages

00:29:03.359 --> 00:29:06.099
of her evolution. And ultimately, the movie really

00:29:06.099 --> 00:29:08.400
only makes use of like the final design that

00:29:08.400 --> 00:29:11.559
he created. So there is some H .R. Geiger in

00:29:11.559 --> 00:29:13.059
this movie, not as much as there could have been,

00:29:13.099 --> 00:29:16.059
unfortunately. Geiger did also design the nightmare

00:29:16.059 --> 00:29:19.420
train sequence, which initially was like 20 minutes

00:29:19.420 --> 00:29:21.500
long. It was like really intense and surreal

00:29:21.500 --> 00:29:24.279
when HR Geiger did that. And in the finished

00:29:24.279 --> 00:29:26.059
movie, it's like less than a minute long. So

00:29:26.059 --> 00:29:28.420
that's definitely a bummer. Yeah, I'm not even

00:29:28.420 --> 00:29:31.480
sure I know what you're talking about. But she's

00:29:31.480 --> 00:29:34.980
on the train. Right. But it's before then. It's

00:29:34.980 --> 00:29:37.660
when Syl is still played by Michelle Williams

00:29:37.660 --> 00:29:40.240
as a girl at the beginning of the movie. And

00:29:40.240 --> 00:29:41.960
she has all these intense nightmares. And in

00:29:41.960 --> 00:29:46.319
one of them, she sees herself as an alien in

00:29:46.319 --> 00:29:49.740
full tentacled alien form. And yeah, there's

00:29:49.740 --> 00:29:52.759
this nightmarish train. It's an eerie light blue

00:29:52.759 --> 00:29:54.839
color. And everything in the background is all

00:29:54.839 --> 00:29:57.500
dark and black. I remember now. And it turns

00:29:57.500 --> 00:30:02.170
into an alien and eats her, scoops her up. Yes,

00:30:02.170 --> 00:30:03.769
I believe so. It's hard to tell what's happening,

00:30:03.809 --> 00:30:06.970
though. Yeah. Unfortunately, a lot of those dream

00:30:06.970 --> 00:30:11.930
flashes, I find like I can't really see what's

00:30:11.930 --> 00:30:16.430
going on and not in a good way. Like, it's OK

00:30:16.430 --> 00:30:19.410
to like, oh, what's going on? You know, add some

00:30:19.410 --> 00:30:22.089
mystery to it. But I felt like it was just messy.

00:30:22.269 --> 00:30:24.710
It was just sloppy. And I didn't quite I wanted

00:30:24.710 --> 00:30:26.730
to see the design of the alien. That's the thing.

00:30:27.049 --> 00:30:30.880
Yeah. exactly i i totally agree and hr geiger

00:30:30.880 --> 00:30:33.140
agreed as well he was very unhappy that they

00:30:33.140 --> 00:30:34.819
you know they took that scene and they cut it

00:30:34.819 --> 00:30:36.519
down and like some of the other dream sequences

00:30:36.519 --> 00:30:39.279
too we we never really see the alien clearly

00:30:39.279 --> 00:30:43.440
and he was very upset about that yeah okay not

00:30:43.440 --> 00:30:46.220
surprisingly no so more about hr geiger and his

00:30:46.220 --> 00:30:49.240
work coming up soon i'm sure yeah definitely

00:30:50.160 --> 00:30:53.460
So H .R. Giger's designs then were kind of built

00:30:53.460 --> 00:30:57.420
as practical models by Steve Johnson. He owned,

00:30:57.500 --> 00:31:00.619
I think the company was called XFX, if I remember

00:31:00.619 --> 00:31:02.680
right. He had his own special effects company.

00:31:03.369 --> 00:31:04.890
I had never really heard the name Steve Johnson

00:31:04.890 --> 00:31:07.710
before, which I feel like is an oversight on

00:31:07.710 --> 00:31:10.970
my part because he grew up loving universal monster

00:31:10.970 --> 00:31:13.109
movies and hammer horror films. So he's like,

00:31:13.269 --> 00:31:16.069
you know, he's like us, basically. I mean, that's,

00:31:16.069 --> 00:31:18.230
you know, that's our background as well. Steve

00:31:18.230 --> 00:31:20.750
Johnson met Rick Baker in high school. Rick Baker

00:31:20.750 --> 00:31:23.910
helped Johnson get a job with Rob Botten, who

00:31:23.910 --> 00:31:26.529
worked on Howling, an American werewolf in London.

00:31:27.069 --> 00:31:29.730
Poltergeist 2, Big Trouble in Little China, The

00:31:29.730 --> 00:31:32.390
Abyss, just all of these huge special effects

00:31:32.390 --> 00:31:35.029
movies that I had no idea he was a part of. I

00:31:35.029 --> 00:31:36.809
love that, too. I love learning about, because

00:31:36.809 --> 00:31:39.390
I'd always known about Rick Baker, but I love

00:31:39.390 --> 00:31:41.170
learning about the other giants of the industry,

00:31:41.430 --> 00:31:45.230
Geiger, Botten, and Steve Johnson, apparently.

00:31:45.650 --> 00:31:48.849
Yeah, yeah. It's a name I didn't really know

00:31:48.849 --> 00:31:51.859
before, but I feel like he... Maybe he's not

00:31:51.859 --> 00:31:55.500
at that Godfather of special effects sort of

00:31:55.500 --> 00:31:57.539
level, but I feel like he's a name that should

00:31:57.539 --> 00:32:00.680
be better known. For sure. All right, Steve Johnson,

00:32:00.980 --> 00:32:06.599
we hereby lift you up. Camp Kaiju seal of approval.

00:32:06.960 --> 00:32:11.480
Yeah. So yeah, a very, very accomplished crew

00:32:11.480 --> 00:32:15.039
on this movie. And the cast, surprisingly, pretty

00:32:15.039 --> 00:32:18.109
accomplished as well in its own way. Maybe we'll

00:32:18.109 --> 00:32:19.829
start, though, with the person who was not so

00:32:19.829 --> 00:32:22.470
established when she appeared in Species, although

00:32:22.470 --> 00:32:25.450
she certainly appears a lot in every possible

00:32:25.450 --> 00:32:28.730
way in the movie. Natasha Henstridge. This was

00:32:28.730 --> 00:32:31.549
her debut role. She was 21 when she made the

00:32:31.549 --> 00:32:33.930
movie. She had a long career in modeling. Maybe

00:32:33.930 --> 00:32:35.509
not so long, but she had a career in modeling

00:32:35.509 --> 00:32:38.170
before this. She doesn't really have an extensive

00:32:38.170 --> 00:32:41.130
list of credits throughout her career, but she

00:32:41.130 --> 00:32:43.549
was in Maximum Risk, the Jean -Claude Van Damme

00:32:43.549 --> 00:32:45.950
movie, which is fantastic. I love that movie.

00:32:46.319 --> 00:32:50.519
And you love Jean -Claude Van Damme. I do. After

00:32:50.519 --> 00:32:52.680
Jackie Chan, he's my favorite action star, for

00:32:52.680 --> 00:32:58.019
sure. That's awesome. Another blind spot of mine

00:32:58.019 --> 00:33:01.359
is martial arts films. So that's good to hear,

00:33:01.400 --> 00:33:03.900
though. Yeah, I grew up with those movies. And

00:33:03.900 --> 00:33:07.240
Maximum Risk is maybe JCVD's best movie. And

00:33:07.240 --> 00:33:09.039
she, Natasha Henstridge, is very good in it.

00:33:09.440 --> 00:33:12.440
You know, I do not mind her performance in Species,

00:33:12.519 --> 00:33:16.240
actually. Yeah. I think... here's something i

00:33:16.240 --> 00:33:19.359
i watched an interview with her on youtube from

00:33:19.359 --> 00:33:23.960
the 90s she was promoting the movie and you know

00:33:23.960 --> 00:33:26.400
i got done with the interview it's like five

00:33:26.400 --> 00:33:29.140
minutes she was fine she was very charming and

00:33:29.140 --> 00:33:33.180
gracious but i made note this critic in me i

00:33:33.180 --> 00:33:38.720
critiqued the interviewer because 90 say it was

00:33:38.720 --> 00:33:41.420
like four out of five questions was about the

00:33:41.420 --> 00:33:45.980
nudity yeah or about like her hair color or about

00:33:45.980 --> 00:33:51.539
anything other than her actual work on the film.

00:33:52.259 --> 00:33:54.440
Yeah. And it's just like a double standard, right?

00:33:55.019 --> 00:33:59.059
Ben Kingsley would get questions about like,

00:33:59.180 --> 00:34:01.900
so take me through your process. I'm sure he

00:34:01.900 --> 00:34:04.500
would. Any of the male actors would. Right. And

00:34:04.500 --> 00:34:07.880
she's like, she gets questions. She gets bozo

00:34:07.880 --> 00:34:11.639
questions about her looks. I'm like, well, maybe

00:34:11.639 --> 00:34:13.920
it was just a 90s thing. It was a 90s thing.

00:34:14.489 --> 00:34:17.849
It's not not a now thing. But I'd like us to

00:34:17.849 --> 00:34:21.489
remember that, you know, beautiful women are

00:34:21.489 --> 00:34:25.429
also talented professionals who would probably

00:34:25.429 --> 00:34:28.030
like to talk more about than their their bodies.

00:34:29.299 --> 00:34:31.119
Absolutely. Yeah. And she must have gotten that

00:34:31.119 --> 00:34:33.320
all the time when this movie came out. I mean,

00:34:33.400 --> 00:34:35.739
again, that was kind of like what this movie

00:34:35.739 --> 00:34:37.880
was known for when it was released. And I'm you

00:34:37.880 --> 00:34:39.760
know, I've watched some interviews with her as

00:34:39.760 --> 00:34:41.719
well and like read some interviews. And like

00:34:41.719 --> 00:34:43.760
you said, she's always very gracious and always

00:34:43.760 --> 00:34:46.239
very like, oh, it's a fun movie. She has like

00:34:46.239 --> 00:34:48.280
nice things to say about it. But I don't know.

00:34:48.300 --> 00:34:50.420
I can I can imagine some of that stuff must have

00:34:50.420 --> 00:34:53.099
been pretty obnoxious for her. Absolutely. Yeah.

00:34:53.239 --> 00:34:58.460
So Natasha Henstridge. yeah we lift you up camp

00:34:58.460 --> 00:35:02.059
kai stamp of approval yeah absolutely yeah you

00:35:02.059 --> 00:35:05.920
don't need our approval no indeed but you have

00:35:05.920 --> 00:35:09.800
it anyway yeah there you go and then just the

00:35:09.800 --> 00:35:12.719
rest of this cast is like insane i don't know

00:35:12.719 --> 00:35:15.760
how all these people were thrown into this movie

00:35:15.760 --> 00:35:19.699
together yeah yeah stacked for sure do you i

00:35:19.699 --> 00:35:21.780
feel like you're a fan of this next guy do you

00:35:21.780 --> 00:35:23.780
want to talk about him at all Well, I do like

00:35:23.780 --> 00:35:26.360
Ben Kingsley. I have not seen as much of his

00:35:26.360 --> 00:35:29.440
filmography as I'd like to. In Species, he plays

00:35:29.440 --> 00:35:32.659
the shady government officer, Xavier Fitch. He's

00:35:32.659 --> 00:35:35.019
like the ringleader. He pulls all this ensemble

00:35:35.019 --> 00:35:38.719
together. He's the head of the scientific team

00:35:38.719 --> 00:35:43.980
that is experimenting on Syl, who's like a weird

00:35:43.980 --> 00:35:48.780
daughter figure to him. And anyways, Ben Kingsley.

00:35:49.289 --> 00:35:51.969
I know him mostly from his Shakespearean background

00:35:51.969 --> 00:35:54.949
with the Royal Shakespeare Company. He's a contemporary

00:35:54.949 --> 00:35:57.690
of Ian McKellen and Patrick Stewart and many

00:35:57.690 --> 00:36:01.690
more. Did he win an Oscar for Gandhi? I think

00:36:01.690 --> 00:36:04.929
so. Yeah, I think so too. He played Gandhi. He

00:36:04.929 --> 00:36:07.889
was in Schindler's List. Movies like Sexy Beast

00:36:07.889 --> 00:36:11.110
and Species. Saying those movies in the same

00:36:11.110 --> 00:36:15.150
sentence is almost unfair. Right. Sure, he has

00:36:15.150 --> 00:36:17.650
a lot of range. However, he's not infallible,

00:36:17.750 --> 00:36:19.909
and I have some critiques for Mr. Kingsley at

00:36:19.909 --> 00:36:23.610
the end of this episode. For this role in particular?

00:36:23.989 --> 00:36:27.869
For this role. Yeah. Certainly fair. Yeah. I'm

00:36:27.869 --> 00:36:29.949
excited to hear those critiques. I feel like

00:36:29.949 --> 00:36:32.530
I'll have the same ones. I'm curious, have you

00:36:32.530 --> 00:36:36.280
seen Sexy Beast? No. He's amazing in that movie.

00:36:36.440 --> 00:36:38.420
That might be my favorite Ben Kingsley performance.

00:36:38.699 --> 00:36:41.219
He plays a really intense, over -the -top gangster,

00:36:41.400 --> 00:36:43.940
and he's so charismatic, and he talks a mile

00:36:43.940 --> 00:36:47.940
a minute. He's so fun in that movie. It's really

00:36:47.940 --> 00:36:51.079
good. Well, good. I hope he's having fun. Yeah,

00:36:51.119 --> 00:36:54.920
a lot of range for that guy. Maybe not so much

00:36:54.920 --> 00:36:57.480
range in this particular role, but yeah, we'll

00:36:57.480 --> 00:36:58.739
talk about that later. Well, how about Michael

00:36:58.739 --> 00:37:01.480
Madsen? You talk to me about him, because this

00:37:01.480 --> 00:37:05.420
is the... The Allstate guy, right? The Mayhem?

00:37:05.559 --> 00:37:07.739
No, they have a similar look, but the Allstate

00:37:07.739 --> 00:37:10.139
guy, I can't remember that actor's name, but

00:37:10.139 --> 00:37:14.739
he was on 30 Rock and some other MTV shows. Wow,

00:37:14.880 --> 00:37:16.559
I watched the whole movie thinking this was the

00:37:16.559 --> 00:37:20.239
Mayhem guy. Similar, similar types, but Michael

00:37:20.239 --> 00:37:22.239
Madsen is probably best known for starring in

00:37:22.239 --> 00:37:24.320
a lot of Quentin Tarantino movies. He was in

00:37:24.320 --> 00:37:27.260
Reservoir Dogs, Pulp Fiction, both the Kill Bill

00:37:27.260 --> 00:37:29.920
movies, The Hateful Eight. And he's been in some

00:37:29.920 --> 00:37:31.920
other stuff, too. The Getaway, which is another

00:37:31.920 --> 00:37:34.780
Roger Donaldson movie from the 90s. Wyatt Earp,

00:37:34.800 --> 00:37:38.619
Donnie Brosco. He's, you know, he takes a lot

00:37:38.619 --> 00:37:40.780
of bad roles or roles in bad movies, I should

00:37:40.780 --> 00:37:42.900
say. And he's always pretty honest about it.

00:37:42.940 --> 00:37:44.480
He's like, yeah, some of these movies are terrible.

00:37:44.599 --> 00:37:46.760
Like, I got to put food on the table. I'm trying

00:37:46.760 --> 00:37:49.510
to like, you know. provide for my kids or whatever.

00:37:49.710 --> 00:37:52.150
So I kind of like when actors are candid about

00:37:52.150 --> 00:37:54.250
that. He was pretty excited to be in this movie

00:37:54.250 --> 00:37:56.429
because he plays a pretty heroic role. Although

00:37:56.429 --> 00:37:59.070
he's like a government mercenary slash assassin.

00:37:59.289 --> 00:38:01.909
I don't know how heroic he actually is, but he

00:38:01.909 --> 00:38:05.150
was proud of this movie. He has said in interviews,

00:38:05.230 --> 00:38:07.570
he really likes it a lot. But personally, I'm

00:38:07.570 --> 00:38:09.250
like, oh, I might include this in some of your

00:38:09.250 --> 00:38:11.710
not so good movies, Michael, but he's an interesting

00:38:11.710 --> 00:38:15.070
guy. Cool. I have a lot to say by him later on

00:38:15.070 --> 00:38:18.460
too, but I respect the game. You know, you gotta,

00:38:18.519 --> 00:38:21.019
you gotta make money. So yeah, there you go.

00:38:21.300 --> 00:38:23.340
Samuel L. Jackson does the same thing. He's talked

00:38:23.340 --> 00:38:25.500
about how when early in his career, he, when

00:38:25.500 --> 00:38:27.260
he was a struggling actor, he didn't get roles

00:38:27.260 --> 00:38:29.760
for a long time. So now he's like, or for a while

00:38:29.760 --> 00:38:31.940
anyway, he was like, anything I am offered, I

00:38:31.940 --> 00:38:33.699
will take because I remember what that was like

00:38:33.699 --> 00:38:38.420
to not get any acting offers. Yeah. And it's,

00:38:38.420 --> 00:38:41.340
it's hard out there, even for established actors,

00:38:41.420 --> 00:38:45.389
you know, it's, it's still freelance work. You

00:38:45.389 --> 00:38:47.429
don't know if your next job is going to come

00:38:47.429 --> 00:38:50.449
along. Yeah, exactly. So I kind of admire that

00:38:50.449 --> 00:38:53.489
a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. How do you feel? So

00:38:53.489 --> 00:38:56.409
I don't know if anybody's looking, you know,

00:38:56.429 --> 00:38:58.449
I don't think anybody can see the background

00:38:58.449 --> 00:39:00.750
behind Vincent right now. But this next actor

00:39:00.750 --> 00:39:04.230
is hovering over you right now digitally. Alfred

00:39:04.230 --> 00:39:08.849
Molina, baby. I love this guy. I first encountered

00:39:08.849 --> 00:39:11.550
him. He played Doc Ock in Spider -Man 2, Sam

00:39:11.550 --> 00:39:15.260
Raimi's film. Fantastic in that role. But also

00:39:15.260 --> 00:39:18.800
just a fantastic actor. He has a very small part,

00:39:18.860 --> 00:39:21.519
memorable part in Raiders of the Lost Ark. He's

00:39:21.519 --> 00:39:23.480
in movies like Prick Up Your Ears, Maverick,

00:39:23.599 --> 00:39:26.440
Dead Man, Boogie Nights. I really enjoy him in.

00:39:27.340 --> 00:39:30.420
And I enjoy him in this movie too. Another critique.

00:39:30.500 --> 00:39:32.420
I'm just going to pepper in my critiques. Otherwise,

00:39:32.480 --> 00:39:35.179
our wrap up will be too long at the end. His

00:39:35.179 --> 00:39:37.400
character doesn't do anything in this movie.

00:39:37.480 --> 00:39:39.880
I don't know if you noticed, but he's always

00:39:39.880 --> 00:39:43.820
just there. He never adds anything. Except he's

00:39:43.820 --> 00:39:47.039
a crucial plot point at the end where he impregnates

00:39:47.039 --> 00:39:50.260
Syl. That's the only reason this character's

00:39:50.260 --> 00:39:54.280
in this movie. Right. Regardless, I love Alfred

00:39:54.280 --> 00:39:57.659
Molina. Yeah, he's a fun presence in this movie.

00:39:57.780 --> 00:39:59.699
He's supposed to play an anthropologist. But

00:39:59.699 --> 00:40:01.739
yeah, like you said, he doesn't provide anything

00:40:01.739 --> 00:40:04.619
beneficial to their like, you know, search for

00:40:04.619 --> 00:40:06.500
Syl. He doesn't really do anything at all, but

00:40:06.500 --> 00:40:09.800
still a fun guy. Still like a fun character.

00:40:09.860 --> 00:40:12.519
And especially like the friendship that develops

00:40:12.519 --> 00:40:14.579
between him and Forrest Whitaker's characters

00:40:14.579 --> 00:40:18.039
is kind of fun towards the end. But I feel like

00:40:18.039 --> 00:40:19.599
that's mostly because of what the actors bring

00:40:19.599 --> 00:40:22.360
to it and not because of the writing. 100%. You

00:40:22.360 --> 00:40:24.639
can't beat their chemistry. Try as the writing

00:40:24.639 --> 00:40:28.599
may. Yeah. Forrest Whitaker. You want to talk

00:40:28.599 --> 00:40:31.599
about him? Yeah. I mean, you know, he's become

00:40:31.599 --> 00:40:34.500
a legendary actor, I think. He's been in movies

00:40:34.500 --> 00:40:37.360
for the past 30 or 40 years. You know, Fast Times

00:40:37.360 --> 00:40:39.980
at Ridgemont High, Vision Quest, Color of Money,

00:40:40.199 --> 00:40:43.460
Platoon, The Crying Game, Body Snatchers, which

00:40:43.460 --> 00:40:45.460
I really want to see, the third version of Invasion

00:40:45.460 --> 00:40:47.460
of the Body Snatchers. Never seen it. Really

00:40:47.460 --> 00:40:50.019
want to see that. Probably my favorite Forrest

00:40:50.019 --> 00:40:52.320
Whitaker performance is in Ghost Dog, The Way

00:40:52.320 --> 00:40:54.730
of the Samurai, the Jim Jarmusch movie. which

00:40:54.730 --> 00:40:57.329
is very, very good. He's in Panic Room, Last

00:40:57.329 --> 00:41:00.630
King of Scotland, just like an amazing filmography.

00:41:01.329 --> 00:41:04.050
His character in this movie is so weak. He's

00:41:04.050 --> 00:41:06.590
supposed to be like an empath who apparently

00:41:06.590 --> 00:41:09.030
has like telepathic capabilities. And it's like,

00:41:09.050 --> 00:41:12.269
how did he get those abilities? Where did this

00:41:12.269 --> 00:41:15.409
guy come from? How was he found by the Ben Kingsley

00:41:15.409 --> 00:41:17.989
character? What is he doing here, you know? Matt,

00:41:18.050 --> 00:41:21.449
if I had to pick one thing that drives me loony

00:41:21.449 --> 00:41:25.480
in this movie. Is his character. Because you're

00:41:25.480 --> 00:41:28.340
right. And I looked into it. I was like, clickety

00:41:28.340 --> 00:41:31.960
-clack, can empaths also be psychics? There is

00:41:31.960 --> 00:41:35.900
some, like, not paranormal, but pseudoscience

00:41:35.900 --> 00:41:41.420
out there around that possibility. But the way

00:41:41.420 --> 00:41:44.880
his character is treated in this movie is like

00:41:44.880 --> 00:41:48.760
a sideshow psychic. Just like, so what's going

00:41:48.760 --> 00:41:51.480
to happen? He's like, I don't know. And I'm thinking,

00:41:51.539 --> 00:41:54.900
then why the heck is this written into the script?

00:41:55.099 --> 00:41:59.039
It's not funny. Right. I was losing my mind over

00:41:59.039 --> 00:42:01.940
this character. Yeah, totally agree. There's

00:42:01.940 --> 00:42:04.480
one moment where I don't know if it's supposed

00:42:04.480 --> 00:42:06.880
to be funny or not, but they go into a murder

00:42:06.880 --> 00:42:08.599
scene and there's blood everywhere and it's very

00:42:08.599 --> 00:42:10.920
gruesome. And Forrest Whitaker's character says

00:42:10.920 --> 00:42:12.599
something like, something terrible happened here.

00:42:12.840 --> 00:42:15.480
And it's like, yeah, obviously. Is that your

00:42:15.480 --> 00:42:18.400
contribution to the investigation? And it's delivered

00:42:18.400 --> 00:42:21.820
completely serious. Right. Like it's not tongue

00:42:21.820 --> 00:42:24.760
in cheek. And that's a why this movie is so campy,

00:42:24.760 --> 00:42:29.420
but also why it's so terribly written. Yeah,

00:42:29.519 --> 00:42:32.539
it's a mess. Yeah. And I feel like, you know,

00:42:32.559 --> 00:42:34.619
Forrest Whitaker does deserve some credit because

00:42:34.619 --> 00:42:37.360
his character is tolerable in this movie. Like

00:42:37.360 --> 00:42:38.960
I feel like if anybody else played this role,

00:42:39.099 --> 00:42:42.420
he would be insufferable. And I just might not

00:42:42.420 --> 00:42:43.639
have been able to make it through the movie,

00:42:43.679 --> 00:42:47.940
but he makes the character like. you know, I'll

00:42:47.940 --> 00:42:50.579
watch, I'll watch this character just to see

00:42:50.579 --> 00:42:52.159
what happens, but I don't buy anything that's

00:42:52.159 --> 00:42:55.019
going on right now. Wow. Yeah. I've got some

00:42:55.019 --> 00:42:58.219
more moments I'll, I'll share later, but I, yeah,

00:42:58.239 --> 00:43:00.239
he just, he just could have, he just deserves

00:43:00.239 --> 00:43:03.099
so much better. Yeah, absolutely. And I, you

00:43:03.099 --> 00:43:05.300
know, he's had better throughout his career.

00:43:05.380 --> 00:43:06.800
Like, I feel like this might be one of his lowest

00:43:06.800 --> 00:43:09.360
points, but that's why this cast is just so bizarre.

00:43:09.460 --> 00:43:11.199
Like how did all these great actors sign on to

00:43:11.199 --> 00:43:15.139
this movie? Strange. Yeah. Yeah. Rounding out

00:43:15.139 --> 00:43:16.940
the cast, we have a few more cast members here.

00:43:17.400 --> 00:43:19.920
Marg Helgenberger, who's probably best known

00:43:19.920 --> 00:43:22.159
from CSI. That's how I mostly knew her before.

00:43:22.519 --> 00:43:25.539
Oh, sure. She stars as biologist Lauren Baker,

00:43:25.780 --> 00:43:28.860
who has sort of fling with the Michael Madsen

00:43:28.860 --> 00:43:31.619
character in this movie. And then the last cast

00:43:31.619 --> 00:43:33.880
member that I wanted to talk about is an actor

00:43:33.880 --> 00:43:36.139
that I really like a lot, really respect, admire

00:43:36.139 --> 00:43:38.099
very much. She's been in so many great movies.

00:43:38.400 --> 00:43:40.219
Michelle Williams. This was one of her first

00:43:40.219 --> 00:43:42.679
roles. I think she was 14 years old when they

00:43:42.679 --> 00:43:45.280
filmed this movie. Yeah, I really enjoyed seeing

00:43:45.280 --> 00:43:48.159
Michelle Williams in this. I love her work whenever

00:43:48.159 --> 00:43:51.079
I see her. I think she just like disappears into

00:43:51.079 --> 00:43:53.960
roles. I feel like she's not talked about in

00:43:53.960 --> 00:43:57.420
the same breadth as think of like any superstar

00:43:57.420 --> 00:44:02.460
female actors. But yet she is 100 % committed.

00:44:02.920 --> 00:44:06.179
I think she's really good at her craft. And even

00:44:06.179 --> 00:44:08.760
in this movie, I think she does a really good

00:44:08.760 --> 00:44:11.900
job with what she's given. Absolutely. Like the

00:44:11.900 --> 00:44:13.780
first 20 minutes of this movie are the best part.

00:44:13.880 --> 00:44:15.619
And they're all the scenes with her when like

00:44:15.619 --> 00:44:18.380
we're just kind of, you know, we jump into the

00:44:18.380 --> 00:44:20.860
action. Michelle Williams is like the young Syl

00:44:20.860 --> 00:44:23.179
and she's in this government facility. And then

00:44:23.179 --> 00:44:25.139
she escapes and there's this like hunt after

00:44:25.139 --> 00:44:27.820
her. It's really compelling. And then as soon

00:44:27.820 --> 00:44:30.320
as she leaves the movie, it gets like immediately

00:44:30.320 --> 00:44:33.260
worse. I'm not necessarily saying that like it's

00:44:33.260 --> 00:44:35.179
because she's not in it anymore, but she is very

00:44:35.179 --> 00:44:36.860
good here. I think she's really engaging in her

00:44:36.860 --> 00:44:41.210
role. Completely agree. So shout out also to

00:44:41.210 --> 00:44:44.289
Michelle Williams. Stamp of approval. Yeah. We're

00:44:44.289 --> 00:44:46.230
just handing out stamps of approval to everybody

00:44:46.230 --> 00:44:49.389
tonight. Well, not everybody. Yeah. Good point.

00:44:49.929 --> 00:44:52.469
So again, just like a very accomplished cast

00:44:52.469 --> 00:44:55.550
and crew, the film itself, maybe not so accomplished,

00:44:55.570 --> 00:44:58.730
but we'll talk about that soon. Yeah. Reminder,

00:44:58.750 --> 00:45:01.510
everybody. I still, I love talking about this

00:45:01.510 --> 00:45:04.449
movie. I just feel bad being so harsh on a movie,

00:45:04.530 --> 00:45:09.119
but you know, I got to call it as I see it. I,

00:45:09.199 --> 00:45:11.119
you know, I feel like usually you are like very

00:45:11.119 --> 00:45:13.119
generous and lenient on movies. So it's kind

00:45:13.119 --> 00:45:14.619
of fun to hear you be a little bit more harsh.

00:45:16.159 --> 00:45:19.519
And weirdly enough. No, it does not. It's kind

00:45:19.519 --> 00:45:23.500
of refreshing in a way. Oh, good. And, you know,

00:45:23.500 --> 00:45:25.199
I feel like we're in a little bit of a role reversal

00:45:25.199 --> 00:45:27.239
because there are actually some things I like

00:45:27.239 --> 00:45:30.079
about this movie. So we'll talk about that later.

00:45:30.519 --> 00:45:33.659
Fantastic. Yeah. But first, just a very brief

00:45:33.659 --> 00:45:36.260
production rundown of this movie. It's, you know,

00:45:36.260 --> 00:45:39.980
not really all that complicated. I'm thinking

00:45:39.980 --> 00:45:42.639
of our conversation about the island of Dr. Moreau,

00:45:42.639 --> 00:45:45.219
which took like an hour just to like talk about

00:45:45.219 --> 00:45:47.119
the production backstory. So like this one is

00:45:47.119 --> 00:45:51.519
not as chaotic as that, but. The writer, Dennis

00:45:51.519 --> 00:45:53.719
Feldman, first pitched the movie as a treatment

00:45:53.719 --> 00:45:56.659
or just kind of an in -depth outline in 1987

00:45:56.659 --> 00:45:58.900
when he was working on his directorial debut

00:45:58.900 --> 00:46:01.780
called Real Men, which is also about an alien

00:46:01.780 --> 00:46:04.500
invasion. Don't really know a lot about that

00:46:04.500 --> 00:46:07.019
movie. Not at the top of my list, but maybe I'll

00:46:07.019 --> 00:46:09.929
watch it someday. And in those early stages when

00:46:09.929 --> 00:46:11.989
Feldman first created that treatment, it was

00:46:11.989 --> 00:46:13.610
a little bit more of like a police procedural.

00:46:13.829 --> 00:46:16.289
It was basically about geneticists and a bot,

00:46:16.409 --> 00:46:18.789
or not a botanist, a biologist, teamed up to

00:46:18.789 --> 00:46:21.590
create this alien creature and then they have

00:46:21.590 --> 00:46:23.489
to work with the police to find it once it escapes.

00:46:23.949 --> 00:46:25.989
So obviously the project went through a lot of

00:46:25.989 --> 00:46:28.090
changes over the years as it was in development.

00:46:28.760 --> 00:46:31.739
When no studios bought the pitch, Feldman rewrote

00:46:31.739 --> 00:46:34.340
it as a spec script. It caught the eye of producer

00:46:34.340 --> 00:46:36.960
Mancuso, who liked the blend of believability

00:46:36.960 --> 00:46:40.940
and preposterousness. Sure, I can see that. And

00:46:40.940 --> 00:46:44.059
MGM ultimately bought the script. It was then

00:46:44.059 --> 00:46:46.619
that director Donaldson became involved, wanting

00:46:46.619 --> 00:46:49.820
to do a sci -fi thriller. The script was rewritten

00:46:49.820 --> 00:46:52.900
eight times over a period of eight months, correcting

00:46:52.900 --> 00:46:55.820
some of the plot holes. Yeah, Matt, as you...

00:46:56.679 --> 00:46:59.960
Note here, but not all of them. Yeah. I'm like,

00:47:00.119 --> 00:47:03.840
you corrected any plot holes? Right. What did

00:47:03.840 --> 00:47:05.719
the script look like before that, you know? Oh,

00:47:05.719 --> 00:47:09.119
my gosh. All right. Filmed. The film was filmed

00:47:09.119 --> 00:47:12.000
mostly in Los Angeles with some scenes shot in

00:47:12.000 --> 00:47:15.340
Utah and at the Arecibo Observatory in Puerto

00:47:15.340 --> 00:47:18.920
Rico. I think better used in Goldeneye. Yes,

00:47:18.920 --> 00:47:24.059
for sure. And most of the $35 million budget

00:47:24.059 --> 00:47:27.000
went to the special effects. as this wasn't a,

00:47:27.039 --> 00:47:29.920
quote, star -driven picture, hence the casting

00:47:29.920 --> 00:47:32.900
of newcomer Henstridge. And I think what we alluded

00:47:32.900 --> 00:47:37.460
to earlier, the relative supporting, the ensemble's

00:47:37.460 --> 00:47:39.639
made up of, I wouldn't call A -listers at the

00:47:39.639 --> 00:47:43.280
time. Yeah. More of a supporting roster there.

00:47:43.480 --> 00:47:47.119
But H .R. Giger designed the Syl character. He

00:47:47.119 --> 00:47:49.179
was intrigued by the idea of designing a monster

00:47:49.179 --> 00:47:52.650
that was also seductive and attractive. He worked

00:47:52.650 --> 00:47:55.010
on the film from his native Switzerland, building

00:47:55.010 --> 00:47:59.329
puppets and faxing designs to Los Angeles. Geiger

00:47:59.329 --> 00:48:01.590
initially wanted to design several stages of

00:48:01.590 --> 00:48:05.210
Syl's transformation, but ultimately only her

00:48:05.210 --> 00:48:09.769
final form was used, and Geiger also thought

00:48:09.769 --> 00:48:12.269
there were too many similarities between species

00:48:12.269 --> 00:48:15.769
and popular franchises like The Terminator and

00:48:15.769 --> 00:48:19.409
Alien, which, as we know, Geiger also played

00:48:19.409 --> 00:48:22.849
an important role in. Geiger ultimately convinced

00:48:22.849 --> 00:48:26.250
the producers to rewrite the ending. The initial

00:48:26.250 --> 00:48:30.730
cut was 127 minutes long. It had a very different

00:48:30.730 --> 00:48:35.010
action climax and 20 minutes were cut out of

00:48:35.010 --> 00:48:38.349
the final version. Which is crazy because that

00:48:38.349 --> 00:48:40.269
climax feels like it goes on forever. Like it

00:48:40.269 --> 00:48:43.349
still feels very overlong. It's a long one. Yeah.

00:48:43.449 --> 00:48:46.849
The finished film. combines practical models

00:48:46.849 --> 00:48:49.590
based on Geiger's designs and created by Steve

00:48:49.590 --> 00:48:53.510
Johnson with CGI overseen by Richard Edlund and

00:48:53.510 --> 00:48:57.130
his Boss Film Studios. Edlund had started out

00:48:57.130 --> 00:48:59.889
with industrial light and magic. Star Wars was

00:48:59.889 --> 00:49:03.289
one of his first projects. In 1983, he created

00:49:03.289 --> 00:49:07.289
Boss Films, which did the effects for Ghostbusters,

00:49:07.449 --> 00:49:10.969
Big Trouble in Little China, Die Hard, Cliffhanger,

00:49:11.110 --> 00:49:13.769
and the greatest movie of all time featuring

00:49:13.769 --> 00:49:19.320
an airplane. Air Force One. Boss Films was one

00:49:19.320 --> 00:49:21.380
of the first special effects houses to make the

00:49:21.380 --> 00:49:25.179
transition to CGI. And Species includes some

00:49:25.179 --> 00:49:29.300
of the very first CGI that involved motion capture.

00:49:29.900 --> 00:49:33.659
Which makes me think about The Mummy from 99.

00:49:34.039 --> 00:49:36.039
Because we talked about motion capture in that

00:49:36.039 --> 00:49:39.019
movie too. Yeah. And how it was still in its

00:49:39.019 --> 00:49:43.159
infancy in 99. Meanwhile, 95 when they're producing

00:49:43.159 --> 00:49:49.519
Species. yeah that technology is so nascent yeah

00:49:49.519 --> 00:49:54.039
it's just so so early and it's in its effectiveness

00:49:54.039 --> 00:49:58.000
i think yeah it's it's definitely rough in this

00:49:58.000 --> 00:50:00.599
movie and i feel like maybe you know species

00:50:00.599 --> 00:50:03.280
kind of gets like Credit for being one of the

00:50:03.280 --> 00:50:05.380
first to use motion capture, and it's a historical

00:50:05.380 --> 00:50:08.340
turning point, I guess, in that way. But it looks

00:50:08.340 --> 00:50:10.840
terrible. And, like, you know, it's just, like,

00:50:10.920 --> 00:50:13.659
put somebody in an alien suit. It would just

00:50:13.659 --> 00:50:16.840
look so much better than, like, the... I mean,

00:50:16.880 --> 00:50:18.719
even at the time, I can't imagine that, like,

00:50:18.719 --> 00:50:21.179
the CGI in this movie looked very good or convincing.

00:50:21.500 --> 00:50:24.840
Like, it's... Yeah, I don't know. Maybe it's

00:50:24.840 --> 00:50:26.679
just interesting from a historical timeline,

00:50:26.860 --> 00:50:29.019
but it looks pretty bad in species. Well, let

00:50:29.019 --> 00:50:33.079
me clarify. So... When I think of this movie's

00:50:33.079 --> 00:50:37.940
poor use of CGI, I think of the ending when we

00:50:37.940 --> 00:50:41.099
see the full -bodied alien creature. Yeah. Yeah.

00:50:41.159 --> 00:50:44.980
Okay. There is CGI, like in the Michelle Williams

00:50:44.980 --> 00:50:47.659
parts where she's transforming, that I don't

00:50:47.659 --> 00:50:51.610
think is as bad. Yeah, it's not as bad. I remember

00:50:51.610 --> 00:50:53.789
thinking like in the scene where she's in the

00:50:53.789 --> 00:50:56.329
train car and she's first turning into the alien.

00:50:56.989 --> 00:50:59.090
You know, I don't think it looks very good, but

00:50:59.090 --> 00:51:01.289
I was like, oh, this is like amusing from like

00:51:01.289 --> 00:51:04.489
a mid -90s CGI. Like it looks so different kind

00:51:04.489 --> 00:51:06.630
of way, you know? Agreed. I was still on board

00:51:06.630 --> 00:51:08.829
at that point. But again, it's like by the end,

00:51:08.849 --> 00:51:11.690
it's just like, oh my God, this is like unconvincing,

00:51:11.690 --> 00:51:14.469
not scary, not original, not interesting. Like

00:51:14.469 --> 00:51:17.769
I was not even enjoying it anymore by the end.

00:51:18.159 --> 00:51:22.440
Also agree. Yeah. Sorry to Richard Endland. I

00:51:22.440 --> 00:51:24.539
think that was his name, right? Not to hate on

00:51:24.539 --> 00:51:27.539
his work too much, influential perhaps, but in

00:51:27.539 --> 00:51:29.800
this early iteration, does not hold up very well.

00:51:30.219 --> 00:51:31.920
Well, you got to start somewhere, I suppose.

00:51:32.400 --> 00:51:35.500
Yeah, indeed. So Species was released in July

00:51:35.500 --> 00:51:38.559
1995. It was one of the big kind of summer event

00:51:38.559 --> 00:51:42.239
movies of that year. It made $17 million in its

00:51:42.239 --> 00:51:44.699
opening weekend alone. That was MGM's biggest

00:51:44.699 --> 00:51:48.139
opening at the time. And it was second that weekend

00:51:48.139 --> 00:51:51.659
after Apollo 13. So again, this movie did really

00:51:51.659 --> 00:51:54.780
well financially. It had a $35 million budget.

00:51:55.019 --> 00:51:58.079
And overseas, I think it made, or like, you know,

00:51:58.099 --> 00:51:59.920
cumulatively, I think it made something like

00:51:59.920 --> 00:52:02.559
$130 million or something like that. So just

00:52:02.559 --> 00:52:07.239
a huge success for MGM. Wow. Yeah. Critically,

00:52:07.239 --> 00:52:10.239
maybe not so successful, though. Definitely got

00:52:10.239 --> 00:52:13.460
mixed reviews, a lot of pans, a lot of negative

00:52:13.460 --> 00:52:16.239
reviews in there as well. Kind of like I alluded

00:52:16.239 --> 00:52:19.539
to before, the marketers really did try to play

00:52:19.539 --> 00:52:21.440
up how much sex and nudity was in the movie.

00:52:21.579 --> 00:52:23.679
It was discussed in a lot of entertainment magazines.

00:52:23.840 --> 00:52:25.380
I had a subscription to Entertainment Weekly

00:52:25.380 --> 00:52:27.880
when I was a kid, and that's probably how I knew

00:52:27.880 --> 00:52:30.960
about that. Tabloid magazines were kind of making

00:52:30.960 --> 00:52:34.119
a big deal out of that as well. So all that stuff

00:52:34.119 --> 00:52:36.059
is probably part of the reason that this movie

00:52:36.059 --> 00:52:39.300
did so well. It spawned a franchise. There was

00:52:39.300 --> 00:52:42.559
one theatrical sequel and two made -for -TV sequels.

00:52:42.719 --> 00:52:45.750
Love that. The film, or rather the franchise,

00:52:45.869 --> 00:52:48.550
was also adapted into a comic book series published

00:52:48.550 --> 00:52:51.550
by Dark Horse Comics. And I could see it totally

00:52:51.550 --> 00:52:55.389
working as a comic book or these, you know, made

00:52:55.389 --> 00:53:00.070
-for -TV sequels. Yeah. Yeah, I think maybe that's

00:53:00.070 --> 00:53:04.170
kind of the realm this kind of tawdry movie should

00:53:04.170 --> 00:53:07.690
inhabit. Yeah, it really belongs there. And that's

00:53:07.690 --> 00:53:10.190
not a diss. If this was like a sci -fi channel

00:53:10.190 --> 00:53:15.349
original movie, amazing, wonderful. Right. Yeah.

00:53:15.469 --> 00:53:17.590
I mean, you know, that's why I'm curious to watch

00:53:17.590 --> 00:53:20.750
the sequels. Like I feel like if it fully leans

00:53:20.750 --> 00:53:24.150
into its ridiculousness and it's just like sleazy

00:53:24.150 --> 00:53:26.590
sensationalistic aspects, which species kind

00:53:26.590 --> 00:53:29.269
of does, but like at the same time, it just kind

00:53:29.269 --> 00:53:31.789
of gets boring by the end. And like, we'll talk

00:53:31.789 --> 00:53:33.570
more about the flaws in a little bit here, but

00:53:33.570 --> 00:53:35.530
I don't know. I bet some of the sequels could

00:53:35.530 --> 00:53:37.309
just be like good, can't be fun. I'm excited

00:53:37.309 --> 00:53:39.710
to try them out. I do too. Like don't try to

00:53:39.710 --> 00:53:42.489
shoot for the stars, make this big A -level movie.

00:53:43.250 --> 00:53:48.980
Just, stick to your lane and and then yeah then

00:53:48.980 --> 00:53:51.820
like i mean it's it's hypocrisy maybe to say

00:53:51.820 --> 00:53:54.900
it but like you're whatever flaws you have i

00:53:54.900 --> 00:53:58.559
think just play better on tv and in that kind

00:53:58.559 --> 00:54:03.599
of market i don't know yeah absolutely yeah there

00:54:03.599 --> 00:54:05.239
it is maybe some sequels will appear on camp

00:54:05.239 --> 00:54:08.239
kaiju in the future who knows probably not for

00:54:08.239 --> 00:54:10.340
a while though we need a break from species after

00:54:10.340 --> 00:54:17.039
this I have a long list. Species 2 is way down

00:54:17.039 --> 00:54:20.079
at the bottom. Yeah, for sure. There are approximately

00:54:20.079 --> 00:54:22.579
2 ,000 monster movies that I want to watch before

00:54:22.579 --> 00:54:25.699
that. That's the number I was thinking of, yeah.

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Pack for investment opportunities. Links in the

00:54:52.769 --> 00:54:55.710
show notes. Vincent, do we have anything in Minya's

00:54:55.710 --> 00:54:59.170
mailbox today? We have a lot. I might even read

00:54:59.170 --> 00:55:03.329
two comments tonight. We got a lot of feedback

00:55:03.329 --> 00:55:07.050
on our Island of Dr. Moreau episode. Cool. On

00:55:07.050 --> 00:55:10.010
our YouTube. Love the YouTube crowd. They're

00:55:10.010 --> 00:55:14.550
always chiming in. So this is from at bingo bed

00:55:14.550 --> 00:55:19.409
at all beaver. I also love these handles. Bingo

00:55:19.409 --> 00:55:23.170
bed at all beaver says to the Island of Dr. Moreau,

00:55:23.289 --> 00:55:26.090
if this movie was a mess, it still wasn't as

00:55:26.090 --> 00:55:32.500
big a disaster as Alien 3. Hmm. Interesting.

00:55:32.500 --> 00:55:34.579
Yeah, I suppose that's probably true. There's

00:55:34.579 --> 00:55:37.940
some stuff about Alien 3 I like, but yeah, good

00:55:37.940 --> 00:55:42.420
point. Yeah, I think of all, I think any of the,

00:55:42.440 --> 00:55:44.139
I'd love to talk about any of the Alien movies,

00:55:44.340 --> 00:55:47.960
but Alien 3 always stuck out to me as something

00:55:47.960 --> 00:55:50.880
that's like, there's a lot going for it. There's

00:55:50.880 --> 00:55:54.440
a lot working against it. I'd like to talk about

00:55:54.440 --> 00:55:56.820
that one at some point. Definitely. And just

00:55:56.820 --> 00:55:58.960
such a turning point in David Fincher's career

00:55:58.960 --> 00:56:00.719
because he had such a miserable time making that

00:56:00.719 --> 00:56:02.940
movie and had so much studio interference. And

00:56:02.940 --> 00:56:04.440
then his career kind of took off afterwards.

00:56:04.599 --> 00:56:06.780
So that would be a fascinating conversation someday.

00:56:07.179 --> 00:56:10.400
Yeah. Well, thank you. Bingo bet it all, Beaver.

00:56:10.860 --> 00:56:13.840
We're going to read a comment from your YouTube

00:56:13.840 --> 00:56:17.780
compatriot, Brannon Harries. Brannon Harries,

00:56:17.920 --> 00:56:21.900
they say, Leonardo DiCaprio has bought the film

00:56:21.900 --> 00:56:25.440
rights to this film, Island of Dr. Moreau. They're

00:56:25.440 --> 00:56:29.159
doing a remake of this and Anthony Hopkins is

00:56:29.159 --> 00:56:33.059
in it. They actually then clarified the remake

00:56:33.059 --> 00:56:36.340
is called Eyes in the Trees. And if you Google

00:56:36.340 --> 00:56:39.300
that, that is a movie that came out or it's in

00:56:39.300 --> 00:56:44.420
pre -production. Interesting. Eyes in the Trees.

00:56:44.760 --> 00:56:48.980
Yeah. Does it star Leo and Anthony Hopkins? They're

00:56:48.980 --> 00:56:53.360
both in it? So the Wikipedia page for Eyes in

00:56:53.360 --> 00:56:56.570
the Trees says, It is an upcoming science fiction

00:56:56.570 --> 00:57:00.130
film starring Anthony Hopkins. It is a reimagining

00:57:00.130 --> 00:57:03.730
of H .G. Wells' novel, The Island of Dr. Moreau.

00:57:04.309 --> 00:57:09.369
Okay, so looking at some... Okay, Deadline Hollywood

00:57:09.369 --> 00:57:12.730
had a piece on it from August of last year, 2024.

00:57:14.389 --> 00:57:18.429
Kind of just saying the same thing. So this movie

00:57:18.429 --> 00:57:21.730
is an idea that's out there. I hope it makes

00:57:21.730 --> 00:57:25.099
it to the screen because... Who doesn't want

00:57:25.099 --> 00:57:28.460
to live in a world with more Dr. Moreau? Yeah.

00:57:28.739 --> 00:57:32.559
Wow. I'm very intrigued. I don't know this director's

00:57:32.559 --> 00:57:36.059
name, Timothy Woodward Jr., but regardless, yeah,

00:57:36.420 --> 00:57:38.659
I'm excited about this movie. I hope it is actually

00:57:38.659 --> 00:57:41.619
made at some point. Same. So thank you to our

00:57:41.619 --> 00:57:45.579
listeners everywhere. We have more comments to

00:57:45.579 --> 00:57:48.420
read in future episodes, and it's a good problem

00:57:48.420 --> 00:57:52.320
to have, so keep your comments coming. You can

00:57:52.320 --> 00:57:54.199
comment on Spotify. You can comment on YouTube

00:57:54.199 --> 00:57:59.840
or Instagram. And please call in the Kaiju Hotline

00:57:59.840 --> 00:58:02.460
and tell us about, well, anything really. But

00:58:02.460 --> 00:58:05.440
right now we're specifically looking for your

00:58:05.440 --> 00:58:09.460
experiences with Jaws or the franchise. How Jaws

00:58:09.460 --> 00:58:11.639
has changed you for the better or the worse.

00:58:12.659 --> 00:58:15.380
Just share with us. Give us a call. The number

00:58:15.380 --> 00:58:17.900
is in our show notes. And we'd love to do like

00:58:17.900 --> 00:58:21.030
a special Jaws 50th anniversary episode. Some

00:58:21.030 --> 00:58:23.449
point in the summer. I can't wait. I'm excited

00:58:23.449 --> 00:58:25.650
to hear about everybody who is no longer able

00:58:25.650 --> 00:58:27.510
to swim in the ocean because of that movie or

00:58:27.510 --> 00:58:31.289
that franchise. Yeah. I mean, me. I'm one of

00:58:31.289 --> 00:58:34.010
those people. And I did not see this in 1975.

00:58:34.929 --> 00:58:39.170
Right. Yeah. I mean, every time I go in the water,

00:58:39.349 --> 00:58:41.329
like even like a deep swimming pool, I just think

00:58:41.329 --> 00:58:42.989
I'm going to go underwater and like the Jaws

00:58:42.989 --> 00:58:44.789
theme is playing in my head and like a shark

00:58:44.789 --> 00:58:46.050
is just going to come out of nowhere, you know?

00:58:46.690 --> 00:58:49.289
That's an impact. That's a cultural impact right

00:58:49.289 --> 00:58:52.760
there. Yeah. So let's hear all the voicemails.

00:58:52.980 --> 00:58:56.320
I think it'd be a really cool episode. So hoping

00:58:56.320 --> 00:58:59.000
y 'all come through for us. Awesome. I can't

00:58:59.000 --> 00:59:02.079
wait for that. Yeah. Well, we are going to turn

00:59:02.079 --> 00:59:05.519
it over to Peter Lorre. He's somewhere trimming

00:59:05.519 --> 00:59:08.360
his lilacs. He's dealing with some kind of crazy

00:59:08.360 --> 00:59:10.780
thing. I haven't talked to him in a while, but

00:59:10.780 --> 00:59:14.559
he is going to talk about the 1942 Poverty Row

00:59:14.559 --> 00:59:18.219
movie called Black Dragons. Whoa. It's a World

00:59:18.219 --> 00:59:23.949
War II. horror film starring bela lugosi it involves

00:59:23.949 --> 00:59:28.690
mad scientists japanese scientists nazi scientists

00:59:28.690 --> 00:59:32.449
i don't know anything about it but i'm gonna

00:59:32.449 --> 00:59:34.230
learn something and i always learn something

00:59:34.230 --> 00:59:37.110
on the poverty row picture show yeah peter's

00:59:37.110 --> 00:59:39.590
very knowledgeable about film history i always

00:59:39.590 --> 00:59:43.070
learn a lot from him he was there yeah yeah true

00:59:43.070 --> 00:59:46.519
firsthand knowledge yep I hope he's doing all

00:59:46.519 --> 00:59:49.059
right. Is trimming his lilacs, is that a euphemism

00:59:49.059 --> 00:59:51.739
for something? It sounds kind of dirty. No, he

00:59:51.739 --> 00:59:54.539
has a lilac bush. Okay. It's growing to monstrous

00:59:54.539 --> 00:59:56.340
proportions. Get your head out of the gutter.

00:59:56.340 --> 00:59:59.000
What are you talking about? It just sounded like

00:59:59.000 --> 01:00:01.380
it. Maybe I've been, I watched Species 2 recently.

01:00:01.380 --> 01:00:03.480
That's probably why. My mind's still in the gutter.

01:00:04.000 --> 01:00:09.460
No, I mean, I know what I said. Yeah. I'm going

01:00:09.460 --> 01:00:11.280
to have to research that phrase now. It has a

01:00:11.280 --> 01:00:13.300
hidden meaning of some kind. You're just going

01:00:13.300 --> 01:00:16.719
to find a picture of Peter Lorre. That'd be okay.

01:00:16.800 --> 01:00:20.340
I would not be disappointed in that at all. Okay,

01:00:20.400 --> 01:00:23.780
before we conjure up any other dubious images.

01:00:25.280 --> 01:00:44.070
Yeah. Welcome. To the poverty row studios on

01:00:44.070 --> 01:00:47.050
the other side of Hollywood, where the stars

01:00:47.050 --> 01:00:49.769
were dimmer and the red carpets dripped with

01:00:49.769 --> 01:00:52.690
blood. Together we will watch the best of the

01:00:52.690 --> 01:00:55.750
worst. Movies known for their limited budgets,

01:00:56.190 --> 01:00:59.730
outlandish concepts, and questionable performances.

01:01:00.389 --> 01:01:03.849
But with enough haunted houses, zombies, ape

01:01:03.849 --> 01:01:06.789
men, and devil pets to keep you up at night,

01:01:07.110 --> 01:01:10.670
this... It's the Poverty Row Picture Show, and

01:01:10.670 --> 01:01:13.769
I dare you to sleep through these nightmares.

01:01:17.329 --> 01:01:23.030
I am your host, Peter Lorre. You may remember

01:01:23.030 --> 01:01:26.889
me from such motion pictures as the Mr. Moto

01:01:26.889 --> 01:01:31.469
series I did for 20th Century Fox. Yes, in eight

01:01:31.469 --> 01:01:34.789
pictures, I played the hard -boiled Japanese

01:01:34.789 --> 01:01:38.780
secret agent, Mr. Moto. And if you are thinking

01:01:38.780 --> 01:01:42.679
to yourself, but wait, Peter Lorre is not Japanese,

01:01:43.219 --> 01:01:46.960
then you are correct. It was a different time

01:01:46.960 --> 01:01:49.760
when cowardly Hollywood executives would not

01:01:49.760 --> 01:01:53.840
cast Asians as such heroic characters. And this

01:01:53.840 --> 01:01:56.340
prejudice would be cemented with the outbreak

01:01:56.340 --> 01:01:59.820
of war between the Empire of Japan and the United

01:01:59.820 --> 01:02:04.940
States in 1941. Another consequence of the war.

01:02:05.239 --> 01:02:08.460
understandably, was the proliferation of propaganda

01:02:08.460 --> 01:02:12.920
in Hollywood pictures. This week's movie, Black

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Dragons, is perhaps the first major movie to

01:02:16.400 --> 01:02:20.619
capitalize on the rah -rah wartime spirit. It

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is about the real -life, notorious society known

01:02:24.380 --> 01:02:28.280
as the Black Dragons of Japan, a ruthless criminal

01:02:28.280 --> 01:02:32.280
organization, as they concoct a devilish scheme

01:02:32.280 --> 01:02:36.030
with the Nazis. The Black Dragons instruct a

01:02:36.030 --> 01:02:39.610
brilliant scientist, Dr. Melcher, played by Bela

01:02:39.610 --> 01:02:43.389
Lugosi, to travel to Japan on a secret mission.

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There, he operates on six Japanese conspirators,

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transforming them to resemble six American leaders.

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The actual Americans are then murdered and replaced

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with their likenesses. Treachery and espionage

01:02:59.130 --> 01:03:04.250
ensue. Now... This film was rushed into production

01:03:04.250 --> 01:03:08.130
only a month after Pearl Harbor, and the finished

01:03:08.130 --> 01:03:12.650
product does reflect this hurried schedule. Dear

01:03:12.650 --> 01:03:15.809
listeners, I do not exaggerate when I tell you

01:03:15.809 --> 01:03:20.369
how poorly executed this movie is. Lack of budget

01:03:20.369 --> 01:03:23.010
can hardly be blamed for the sloppiness on screen.

01:03:23.349 --> 01:03:26.730
Plot points are contradictory, actors are lifeless,

01:03:26.809 --> 01:03:29.849
and the camera work doesn't do anything to heighten

01:03:29.849 --> 01:03:33.030
the would -be tension or clear up any confusion.

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But you know what? This movie literally ends

01:03:37.929 --> 01:03:41.289
with a big ol' American flag waving triumphantly

01:03:41.289 --> 01:03:46.070
over the nefarious Japanese agents. It is a heck

01:03:46.070 --> 01:03:49.150
of an exclamation point and somehow the most

01:03:49.150 --> 01:03:51.909
memorable part of a film with so much potential.

01:03:52.349 --> 01:03:56.070
To watch Black Dragons, you will either be a

01:03:56.070 --> 01:03:59.369
die -hard horror fan or die trying to make sense

01:03:59.369 --> 01:04:07.849
of it all. Oh, hello my lovely giant lilac. Is

01:04:07.849 --> 01:04:13.139
it feeding time already? Well... Well, dear listeners,

01:04:13.219 --> 01:04:16.000
if you'll excuse me, I must take care of my plant.

01:04:16.440 --> 01:04:20.079
It is growing remarkably well here in the apartment.

01:04:20.539 --> 01:04:24.440
No, no, Matthew doesn't need to know. I have

01:04:24.440 --> 01:04:28.380
everything entirely under my control. Until next

01:04:28.380 --> 01:04:32.260
time, when we will be watching yet another belagosi

01:04:32.260 --> 01:04:53.550
picture called The Corpse Vanishes. There it

01:04:53.550 --> 01:04:59.429
is. Welcome to Jurassic Park. We've made living

01:04:59.429 --> 01:05:02.530
biological attractions so astounding that they'll

01:05:02.530 --> 01:05:05.369
capture the imagination of the entire planet.

01:05:05.630 --> 01:05:08.690
The most phenomenal discovery of our time...

01:05:08.690 --> 01:05:12.369
How'd you do this? ...becomes the greatest adventure

01:05:12.369 --> 01:05:19.630
of all time. Can I touch it? Sure. Universal

01:05:19.630 --> 01:05:23.659
Pictures presents... You feel that? Hold on to

01:05:23.659 --> 01:05:30.019
your butts. A Steven Spielberg film. This is

01:05:30.019 --> 01:05:32.260
a feeling all over the park. Yeah, that's nice.

01:05:32.420 --> 01:05:37.880
Gotta go. An adventure. Look out! No! I can't

01:05:37.880 --> 01:05:41.900
get Jurassic Park back online. 65 million years

01:05:41.900 --> 01:05:58.449
in the making. Jurassic Park. In 1995, mankind's

01:05:58.449 --> 01:06:01.829
first experiment with alien DNA was a mistake.

01:06:02.210 --> 01:06:04.789
She's a genetic duplicate of the original still.

01:06:05.030 --> 01:06:09.510
In 1998, man's first trip to Mars will be a disaster.

01:06:10.250 --> 01:06:13.710
There's something wrong with me, Dad. We've got

01:06:13.710 --> 01:06:19.610
two aliens running around. It's mating season

01:06:19.610 --> 01:06:27.199
again. Species 2, rated R. So what are the themes

01:06:27.199 --> 01:06:30.219
or the subtexts in this movie? Do you want to

01:06:30.219 --> 01:06:32.599
start off? Are there any themes that you want

01:06:32.599 --> 01:06:37.019
to talk about? Yeah, I think the main theme for

01:06:37.019 --> 01:06:42.760
me is procreation. I mean, the Sill character,

01:06:43.039 --> 01:06:46.900
her whole mission is to have a baby. And I think

01:06:46.900 --> 01:06:50.139
that that is a very universal theme, that that

01:06:50.139 --> 01:06:55.610
can be such a human, primitive animal. Right.

01:06:56.130 --> 01:06:59.170
The survival of the species. Well, there it is.

01:06:59.190 --> 01:07:01.329
There's the title of the film. Oh, I get it.

01:07:01.389 --> 01:07:05.889
Yeah. I think that that's a, that's a, a theme

01:07:05.889 --> 01:07:08.289
worth looking into, you know, what does she,

01:07:08.329 --> 01:07:12.070
what length does she go to pretty, pretty extraordinary

01:07:12.070 --> 01:07:15.269
lengths, violent lengths, murderous lengths,

01:07:15.389 --> 01:07:17.650
you know, not how I would go about having a baby,

01:07:17.730 --> 01:07:21.710
but you can sympathize with that at any rate.

01:07:22.289 --> 01:07:25.880
Yeah. Yeah, definitely. There's a lot to say

01:07:25.880 --> 01:07:28.159
about that, I think. It's weird because there

01:07:28.159 --> 01:07:30.940
is some empathy for Scylla, I think, in this

01:07:30.940 --> 01:07:34.019
movie. She essentially is a girl. She has the

01:07:34.019 --> 01:07:38.880
brain of a girl. She ages very rapidly. So when...

01:07:39.360 --> 01:07:41.980
When she's played by Michelle Williams, supposedly

01:07:41.980 --> 01:07:44.400
as a 12 -year -old, they say in the movie. This

01:07:44.400 --> 01:07:47.099
is only, I think, a couple days after she was

01:07:47.099 --> 01:07:50.099
born. She ages so rapidly. So she still has the

01:07:50.099 --> 01:07:52.940
mind state of a girl and is imitating human behavior.

01:07:54.360 --> 01:07:58.199
It's in her species, her DNA to procreate, as

01:07:58.199 --> 01:08:00.760
you said. So I think there's some empathy for

01:08:00.760 --> 01:08:03.400
her character in this movie because she's confused.

01:08:03.539 --> 01:08:05.760
She doesn't know who or what she is. And she's

01:08:05.760 --> 01:08:08.530
only doing what she... thinks she's supposed

01:08:08.530 --> 01:08:11.630
to do. And then at the same time, you also have

01:08:11.630 --> 01:08:14.429
this depiction of like, you know, a beautiful

01:08:14.429 --> 01:08:17.449
woman who is treacherous and deadly. And like

01:08:17.449 --> 01:08:21.390
the pregnancy itself is monstrous. Like, you

01:08:21.390 --> 01:08:23.069
know, as soon as she's impregnated, she's like,

01:08:23.149 --> 01:08:25.590
oh, I just felt the conception happen. And Alfred

01:08:25.590 --> 01:08:28.430
Molina is like, oh no, you silly girl. It doesn't

01:08:28.430 --> 01:08:31.449
work that way. And then he like touches her belly

01:08:31.449 --> 01:08:34.560
and he's like. oh my God, this is the alien.

01:08:34.640 --> 01:08:36.000
Like this is actually happening or whatever.

01:08:36.199 --> 01:08:39.560
And that's just such an overdone theme, I think,

01:08:39.560 --> 01:08:41.979
in horror and sci -fi movies where like, you

01:08:41.979 --> 01:08:44.479
know, a beautiful, frequently naked woman is

01:08:44.479 --> 01:08:46.880
like a source of monstrosity and evil and violence

01:08:46.880 --> 01:08:50.319
and terror and all that. So it's, you know, it's

01:08:50.319 --> 01:08:52.020
not unique to this movie, but there are just

01:08:52.020 --> 01:08:54.800
so many movies that have... seemingly should

01:08:54.800 --> 01:08:56.840
have empathy for their female characters but

01:08:56.840 --> 01:08:59.460
then turn them into this like monstrous thing

01:08:59.460 --> 01:09:01.520
where you like should not trust a beautiful woman

01:09:01.520 --> 01:09:03.520
and that's obviously not a great theme you know

01:09:03.520 --> 01:09:07.420
right right i mean and it's not like it's a femme

01:09:07.420 --> 01:09:10.939
fatale film noir it's she's depicted as a monster

01:09:10.939 --> 01:09:15.760
also also depicted there is i don't use the word

01:09:15.760 --> 01:09:19.399
i don't use the word rape lightly but that's

01:09:19.399 --> 01:09:22.939
that is definitely a tactic she's headed towards

01:09:23.680 --> 01:09:29.020
With that blonde, hunky man she has in the swimming

01:09:29.020 --> 01:09:33.140
pool, the jacuzzi? Yeah. Yep. You know, she is

01:09:33.140 --> 01:09:36.359
forcing herself on him very much against his

01:09:36.359 --> 01:09:40.399
will, which actually I appreciated. Maybe appreciate's

01:09:40.399 --> 01:09:46.100
not the best word, but I noticed a role reversal

01:09:46.100 --> 01:09:49.140
in what we'd usually expect, maybe a subversion

01:09:49.140 --> 01:09:52.600
of our expectations, where the man is saying,

01:09:53.079 --> 01:09:56.100
I don't want this. And it's the woman who is

01:09:56.100 --> 01:09:59.539
forcing herself upon him. I just think usually

01:09:59.539 --> 01:10:02.520
we see it the other way around. And I found it

01:10:02.520 --> 01:10:06.779
interesting that it's depicted in this way. Yeah.

01:10:07.279 --> 01:10:09.380
For sure. Yeah. And like earlier in the movie,

01:10:09.399 --> 01:10:11.279
I think we do see the inverse of that, which

01:10:11.279 --> 01:10:13.380
is a little bit more common where like she's

01:10:13.380 --> 01:10:15.340
in a hotel room with a guy. And then like the

01:10:15.340 --> 01:10:17.840
logic in the movie, I'm using the word logic

01:10:17.840 --> 01:10:20.579
very loosely, is that this guy that she's about

01:10:20.579 --> 01:10:22.779
to sleep with, she can like sense that he's diabetic

01:10:22.779 --> 01:10:25.680
and therefore has like imperfect genes or whatever.

01:10:26.359 --> 01:10:27.939
So she's like, oh, I don't want to do this anymore.

01:10:28.039 --> 01:10:29.760
I'm leaving. And he's like, no, you can't. It's

01:10:29.760 --> 01:10:32.899
too late. I'm not going to say take no for an

01:10:32.899 --> 01:10:36.220
answer. And then she brutally kills him. So there's

01:10:36.220 --> 01:10:37.840
that scene earlier in the movie. But then you're

01:10:37.840 --> 01:10:40.619
totally right that later on, those roles are

01:10:40.619 --> 01:10:43.699
totally swapped. And it's just a question throughout

01:10:43.699 --> 01:10:45.939
this entire movie. How does it feel about the

01:10:45.939 --> 01:10:47.939
Syl character? And how is the audience supposed

01:10:47.939 --> 01:10:52.319
to feel about her? Right. And I think I'm coming

01:10:52.319 --> 01:10:54.000
around to some good things about this movie.

01:10:54.100 --> 01:10:57.710
I think Natasha Henstridge. like whatever the

01:10:57.710 --> 01:11:00.750
marketing was about her body, I think she might

01:11:00.750 --> 01:11:04.390
be the best written character. I think she certainly

01:11:04.390 --> 01:11:07.710
has the most range with her character as written

01:11:07.710 --> 01:11:12.770
because she's able to play both victim and, and

01:11:12.770 --> 01:11:16.670
the, what, I don't know what's the word I'm looking

01:11:16.670 --> 01:11:19.430
for. The victim and perpetrator. Like she, she

01:11:19.430 --> 01:11:23.770
can play all those in this movie, which is a,

01:11:24.029 --> 01:11:26.930
I know that's a plum role for many women to be

01:11:26.930 --> 01:11:30.649
able to play that kind of dynamic character who's

01:11:30.649 --> 01:11:34.029
also sexy, which can be a good thing. And, you

01:11:34.029 --> 01:11:36.050
know, she is a model. She's very comfortable

01:11:36.050 --> 01:11:40.590
in her body. So I don't want to dilute that aspect

01:11:40.590 --> 01:11:44.810
of empowerment. You know, I think Natasha Henstridge

01:11:44.810 --> 01:11:46.829
is great in this movie. The more I think about

01:11:46.829 --> 01:11:49.810
it. Yeah. She has an amazing presence. Like,

01:11:49.850 --> 01:11:51.970
I think maybe her performance itself doesn't

01:11:51.970 --> 01:11:54.989
have a lot of obvious range, but, like, she's

01:11:54.989 --> 01:11:57.270
the kind of actor, I think, in this role where,

01:11:57.409 --> 01:12:00.529
you know, like, she just has this, like, presence

01:12:00.529 --> 01:12:02.310
and this, like, gravity to her, you know? And,

01:12:02.350 --> 01:12:03.930
like, you can't take your eyes off of her whenever

01:12:03.930 --> 01:12:06.369
she's on screen. And I don't mean that in, like,

01:12:06.369 --> 01:12:08.930
a lewd sort of, like, you know, she's so nice

01:12:08.930 --> 01:12:11.149
to look at way. She, like, genuinely has, like,

01:12:11.170 --> 01:12:13.510
a lot of, like, star power, I think. Agreed.

01:12:13.510 --> 01:12:18.680
Yeah. I think the bar is low. But... I think

01:12:18.680 --> 01:12:24.439
she does a damn fine job in this movie in all

01:12:24.439 --> 01:12:28.079
things considered. Yeah, definitely. That was

01:12:28.079 --> 01:12:29.899
the main theme that I picked up on, too. I actually

01:12:29.899 --> 01:12:31.760
thought about Jurassic Park a little bit, and

01:12:31.760 --> 01:12:34.020
I am not comparing those two movies at all by

01:12:34.020 --> 01:12:36.640
any means, but Jurassic Park also has the theme

01:12:36.640 --> 01:12:39.970
of life will find a way, and that's what... animals

01:12:39.970 --> 01:12:42.449
do procreate like that's kind of like built into

01:12:42.449 --> 01:12:45.470
our dna or whatever and yeah this movie is like

01:12:45.470 --> 01:12:48.310
a very sleazy uh reiteration of that theme i

01:12:48.310 --> 01:12:52.810
think totally genetics gone awry type of thing

01:12:52.810 --> 01:12:55.329
i thought about the fly a lot i mean it's a common

01:12:55.329 --> 01:12:58.090
theme in these types of science fiction movies

01:12:58.090 --> 01:13:02.810
for sure yeah i this is my this is a silly theme

01:13:02.810 --> 01:13:07.189
but it kept coming up they were like at least

01:13:07.189 --> 01:13:10.529
three separate times in this movie where people

01:13:10.529 --> 01:13:15.649
make a big deal about a credit card. Yeah. You

01:13:15.649 --> 01:13:17.390
were, you know what I'm talking about? Yeah,

01:13:17.550 --> 01:13:19.869
absolutely. That's kind of how they track her

01:13:19.869 --> 01:13:21.649
down because she uses a credit card that she

01:13:21.649 --> 01:13:25.689
stole. Yeah. But like there's a, there's a cashier

01:13:25.689 --> 01:13:28.369
at the train station. She's like, do you have

01:13:28.369 --> 01:13:31.609
a credit card? And then there's the hotel or

01:13:31.609 --> 01:13:34.270
sorry, the motel clerk. He's like, ma 'am, you

01:13:34.270 --> 01:13:37.500
forgot your credit card. yeah it got to the point

01:13:37.500 --> 01:13:40.560
where i wrote down is there a thing about credit

01:13:40.560 --> 01:13:44.779
cards i'm missing i guess i'm a little bit confused

01:13:44.779 --> 01:13:46.920
or just not very like well informed about the

01:13:46.920 --> 01:13:49.479
history of credit cards were they just becoming

01:13:49.479 --> 01:13:51.159
a thing in the 90s they must have been around

01:13:51.159 --> 01:13:53.739
for a while absolutely not yeah you know you

01:13:53.739 --> 01:13:56.199
see 80s movies people are using charging their

01:13:56.199 --> 01:13:58.539
cards and things it's a whole thing in home alone

01:13:58.539 --> 01:14:03.909
yeah the card yeah yeah you're right That's weird.

01:14:04.029 --> 01:14:05.689
And it's, I feel like in this movie, it's the

01:14:05.689 --> 01:14:07.930
thing too, where like they, they use paper to

01:14:07.930 --> 01:14:10.109
like take an imprint of the credit card and like

01:14:10.109 --> 01:14:11.989
get the numbers and all that. And this is kind

01:14:11.989 --> 01:14:14.130
of cool to see those old technologies. I think,

01:14:14.170 --> 01:14:16.649
you know, that is cool. Yeah. So weird thing,

01:14:16.729 --> 01:14:18.609
credit cards in this movie, but maybe it's like

01:14:18.609 --> 01:14:23.310
numbers and sequences. Yeah. It's all about capitalism.

01:14:24.050 --> 01:14:28.170
Not really. I'm just kidding. We could tie most

01:14:28.170 --> 01:14:30.210
things back to capitalism, but yeah. Yeah. I

01:14:30.210 --> 01:14:31.899
don't know. That's just like a fun. That's a

01:14:31.899 --> 01:14:34.899
silly comment, but it's something I noticed anyways.

01:14:35.319 --> 01:14:37.779
Yeah, you're right. I didn't really like make

01:14:37.779 --> 01:14:40.199
note of that aside from like the cool part where

01:14:40.199 --> 01:14:42.560
like they take the paper imprint of the credit

01:14:42.560 --> 01:14:44.800
card or whatever. But you're right. That is kind

01:14:44.800 --> 01:14:48.159
of strange. Yeah. And I, you know, I do kind

01:14:48.159 --> 01:14:52.159
of like the idea that like. You know, alien contact

01:14:52.159 --> 01:14:54.619
might not happen from like an alien coming to

01:14:54.619 --> 01:14:56.279
Earth in a spaceship. It might happen through

01:14:56.279 --> 01:14:59.100
like information that's sent through like radio

01:14:59.100 --> 01:15:01.220
signals. And that, you know, that's in the movie

01:15:01.220 --> 01:15:03.000
Contact. That's in some other movies as well.

01:15:03.100 --> 01:15:05.460
But, you know, I think like the origin of the

01:15:05.460 --> 01:15:07.560
Syl character is kind of interesting in this

01:15:07.560 --> 01:15:11.039
movie because the aliens send to Earth the genetic

01:15:11.039 --> 01:15:14.140
code for like a human -alien hybrid. And that's

01:15:14.140 --> 01:15:16.479
how Syl is born. And I just think that's maybe

01:15:16.479 --> 01:15:19.760
a little bit more... I don't want to say interesting,

01:15:19.880 --> 01:15:22.060
but it's just nice to have that variety instead

01:15:22.060 --> 01:15:24.319
of just like actual Martian invaders that come

01:15:24.319 --> 01:15:27.300
on a spaceship, you know? For sure. I do think

01:15:27.300 --> 01:15:29.760
that about this movie. I think that it's an alien

01:15:29.760 --> 01:15:33.739
movie, yes, but not on the surface. Right, right.

01:15:33.800 --> 01:15:35.880
Yeah. The movie starts off that way and then

01:15:35.880 --> 01:15:37.920
it abandons that idea pretty quickly, but it's

01:15:37.920 --> 01:15:43.420
there. Oh, the first time I watched this, I did

01:15:43.420 --> 01:15:45.300
think, oh, this could be a really interesting

01:15:45.300 --> 01:15:49.260
procedural. It does play like that at certain

01:15:49.260 --> 01:15:52.420
points, but that, but, but it doesn't really,

01:15:52.439 --> 01:15:55.720
I think take full advantage of that genre. You

01:15:55.720 --> 01:15:58.239
know, this could be like seven with an alien.

01:15:58.899 --> 01:16:02.539
Whoa. And it's just, it's just not nowhere near

01:16:02.539 --> 01:16:06.779
what it could be. Yeah, it's strange that that

01:16:06.779 --> 01:16:09.239
was like the initial idea. And then they like,

01:16:09.279 --> 01:16:12.119
you know, came up with this idea instead to like,

01:16:12.260 --> 01:16:14.020
you know, I read that Dennis Feldman thought

01:16:14.020 --> 01:16:15.520
that it was like unconvincing and there were

01:16:15.520 --> 01:16:17.239
too many plot holes in that police procedural

01:16:17.239 --> 01:16:19.720
idea. And it's like, well, this is not any more

01:16:19.720 --> 01:16:22.220
believable. Make them work. Work with a team

01:16:22.220 --> 01:16:25.600
and write a better draft. Yeah, I feel like that

01:16:25.600 --> 01:16:27.399
could have worked way better than like the story

01:16:27.399 --> 01:16:30.140
they came up with here. But what do I know? It

01:16:30.140 --> 01:16:33.100
was like the Avengers. Like they assembled this

01:16:33.100 --> 01:16:40.060
team. of of you know disparate powers and i'm

01:16:40.060 --> 01:16:41.539
like which is kind of you know there's nothing

01:16:41.539 --> 01:16:44.659
wrong with that that's cool but nobody uses anything

01:16:44.659 --> 01:16:49.220
to any advantage yeah for melina doesn't do anything

01:16:49.220 --> 01:16:53.359
with anthropology our empath character is just

01:16:53.359 --> 01:16:57.319
like a convenient way to plug those plot holes

01:16:57.319 --> 01:17:00.579
yep the blonde woman i apologize i forget her

01:17:00.579 --> 01:17:04.539
name She says one thing in one scene about the

01:17:04.539 --> 01:17:09.539
genetics of the thing. Michael Madsen is, I'm

01:17:09.539 --> 01:17:11.979
sorry, I think he's just phoning it in completely.

01:17:12.920 --> 01:17:15.500
Just playing like this cool guy with a gun. I'm

01:17:15.500 --> 01:17:17.239
like, that's not a character. I don't know what

01:17:17.239 --> 01:17:20.479
you're doing. And then Ben Kingsley has no business

01:17:20.479 --> 01:17:23.439
even being a part of this crew because he's the

01:17:23.439 --> 01:17:27.319
head of this big agency. Why is he running around

01:17:27.319 --> 01:17:29.939
in the sewers? He should just be calling in the

01:17:29.939 --> 01:17:32.560
army. Right. Everything is so contrived in this

01:17:32.560 --> 01:17:35.500
movie. Totally. Are there no military doctors

01:17:35.500 --> 01:17:39.359
that are more accomplished biologists and anthropologists

01:17:39.359 --> 01:17:41.100
than these people that they bring in? It makes

01:17:41.100 --> 01:17:43.859
no sense. And like the way that plot development

01:17:43.859 --> 01:17:46.560
is introduced, like there's like a very brief

01:17:46.560 --> 01:17:49.520
scene introducing us to Michael Madsen. And then

01:17:49.520 --> 01:17:51.859
like another like 30 second scene where Forrest

01:17:51.859 --> 01:17:54.180
Whitaker is in a like a therapy session. And

01:17:54.180 --> 01:17:55.800
all of a sudden they're all in this like government

01:17:55.800 --> 01:17:58.140
office. And it's like, what is going on here?

01:17:58.199 --> 01:17:59.939
It makes no sense. I know I've said that a lot

01:17:59.939 --> 01:18:01.920
already, but. But they're in there. They're like,

01:18:01.960 --> 01:18:04.439
I'm going off. I'm going off right now. You got

01:18:04.439 --> 01:18:07.859
me rolling. But they they try to have like these

01:18:07.859 --> 01:18:11.119
witty one liners, this banter. And I'm like,

01:18:11.140 --> 01:18:13.560
you're all really bad at this. Like there's no

01:18:13.560 --> 01:18:16.520
chemistry apart from the script being poorly

01:18:16.520 --> 01:18:19.239
written. Yeah. It's like, what is supposed to

01:18:19.239 --> 01:18:22.619
be funny? It's not funny. And like, I could see

01:18:22.619 --> 01:18:24.420
when the film wants me to laugh and I'm like,

01:18:24.460 --> 01:18:26.399
I'm not laughing at that joke. That was a really

01:18:26.399 --> 01:18:29.560
bad joke, but I'm laughing at everything else

01:18:29.560 --> 01:18:33.260
you guys are doing because it's, you, you're

01:18:33.260 --> 01:18:36.119
just taking it all so seriously, but it's so

01:18:36.119 --> 01:18:39.939
heavy handed. And it's just, it's just so contrived.

01:18:39.939 --> 01:18:43.800
And I, even in my monster movies, I don't like

01:18:43.800 --> 01:18:47.779
shortcuts. Yeah. Play it straight. Even in the

01:18:47.779 --> 01:18:51.079
most bonkers monster movie, justify your actions.

01:18:51.220 --> 01:18:54.399
Just cut out the filler. And there's so much

01:18:54.399 --> 01:18:58.180
filler in this movie. Okay. I'm done for now.

01:18:58.319 --> 01:19:00.579
I know what you mean. Like I, you know, sometimes

01:19:00.579 --> 01:19:04.600
if people complain about plot holes, I, I don't

01:19:04.600 --> 01:19:07.819
have a, like, I usually don't feel the same way

01:19:07.819 --> 01:19:09.760
because I'm like, it's entertainment. It can

01:19:09.760 --> 01:19:12.079
be implausible. Like I'm kind of okay with that

01:19:12.079 --> 01:19:14.460
sometimes. But to your point, I feel like there

01:19:14.460 --> 01:19:17.140
has to be like an internal logic to the movie,

01:19:17.199 --> 01:19:19.399
you know? Even if it's making up its own rules,

01:19:19.619 --> 01:19:22.760
it has to abide by those rules. And this movie

01:19:22.760 --> 01:19:25.000
does not have any kind of logic whatsoever. And

01:19:25.000 --> 01:19:28.319
like the plot holes seem like way more than just

01:19:28.319 --> 01:19:31.229
like... Fun little like ridiculous things. It's

01:19:31.229 --> 01:19:33.829
like the entire thing is flimsy. It falls apart

01:19:33.829 --> 01:19:35.449
if you think about it for like more than two

01:19:35.449 --> 01:19:38.350
seconds, you know? Thank you for being so articulate

01:19:38.350 --> 01:19:41.130
with that because it's a hard thing to describe.

01:19:41.770 --> 01:19:45.789
Every movie has an aspect of what's called suspension

01:19:45.789 --> 01:19:48.869
of disbelief. I know you know that, but for everyone

01:19:48.869 --> 01:19:52.609
else. But again, you're playing by your own internal

01:19:52.609 --> 01:19:56.489
rules that sells that suspension of disbelief.

01:19:56.510 --> 01:20:00.949
I buy. that Jurassic Park can happen. I don't

01:20:00.949 --> 01:20:03.770
buy anything in species and what that difference

01:20:03.770 --> 01:20:06.890
is. It's hard to pin down, but you know it when

01:20:06.890 --> 01:20:10.130
you see it. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. And I think

01:20:10.130 --> 01:20:12.569
we're working a little bit of our like final

01:20:12.569 --> 01:20:15.130
break breakdowns into this conversation, but

01:20:15.130 --> 01:20:17.050
that's totally okay. That's all right. You know,

01:20:17.069 --> 01:20:19.090
I think that's why I like the first 20 minutes

01:20:19.090 --> 01:20:21.189
of this movie because it's like a government

01:20:21.189 --> 01:20:24.109
guy, Ben Kingsley, who is kind of, like you said,

01:20:24.149 --> 01:20:27.180
he has this like sort of pseudo father -daughter

01:20:27.180 --> 01:20:29.319
relationship with Syl when she's still a young

01:20:29.319 --> 01:20:31.539
girl. And then she breaks out and there's this

01:20:31.539 --> 01:20:34.039
like really exciting, intense chase to find her.

01:20:34.140 --> 01:20:36.359
I was like, oh, I'm fully on board. Like there

01:20:36.359 --> 01:20:38.119
are some cool special effects. I'm into this

01:20:38.119 --> 01:20:41.100
story. But then, yeah, like once they bring in

01:20:41.100 --> 01:20:43.680
other characters, once Michelle Williams becomes

01:20:43.680 --> 01:20:46.520
like the adult Natasha Henstridge character,

01:20:46.819 --> 01:20:49.859
it's like, oh, it took a wrong turn. And like,

01:20:49.899 --> 01:20:52.260
I feel like it could have sustained that element

01:20:52.260 --> 01:20:57.270
of just like fast pace. you know like very cool

01:20:57.270 --> 01:20:59.510
like shocking visceral images it could have kept

01:20:59.510 --> 01:21:01.229
on going with that but it just really falls apart

01:21:01.229 --> 01:21:04.930
pretty quickly yeah loses steam yeah big in a

01:21:04.930 --> 01:21:09.550
big way all right sorry get us back focused i'll

01:21:09.550 --> 01:21:12.989
focus up here well i mean i think we've kind

01:21:12.989 --> 01:21:15.590
of reached almost the end of the line i was trying

01:21:15.590 --> 01:21:17.350
to think of a species pun there but i couldn't

01:21:17.350 --> 01:21:20.789
do it the train pun yeah exactly yeah there's

01:21:20.789 --> 01:21:23.579
some train stuff So yeah, I think it's time for

01:21:23.579 --> 01:21:25.520
our individual breakdowns, the good, the bad,

01:21:25.520 --> 01:21:27.779
and the campy. We've already mentioned a lot

01:21:27.779 --> 01:21:31.340
of things in those categories, but I feel like

01:21:31.340 --> 01:21:33.720
I liked this movie slightly more than you did.

01:21:33.819 --> 01:21:35.840
So maybe I'll turn it over to you first for the

01:21:35.840 --> 01:21:37.420
good category. Is there anything else that you

01:21:37.420 --> 01:21:39.899
want to mention? I do like the effects of this

01:21:39.899 --> 01:21:43.119
movie. They are very visceral, brutal, violent,

01:21:43.239 --> 01:21:45.680
like the practical effects, not the CG stuff.

01:21:46.600 --> 01:21:50.640
The alien design, the practical design, is really

01:21:50.640 --> 01:21:54.600
interesting. And bonkers. At one point, tentacles

01:21:54.600 --> 01:21:58.260
come out of the alien's nipples. Yeah. And like

01:21:58.260 --> 01:22:01.500
strangle people. I'm like, what is this? It's

01:22:01.500 --> 01:22:04.979
amazing. Yeah. Need more of that. I didn't get

01:22:04.979 --> 01:22:09.600
enough. Yeah. Natasha Hendridge takes the cake

01:22:09.600 --> 01:22:13.899
for me. Yeah. And all in all, that's about it

01:22:13.899 --> 01:22:18.289
for me. Sorry to say. That's fair. Yeah, I agree

01:22:18.289 --> 01:22:21.069
with all that. I do think it's a very entertaining

01:22:21.069 --> 01:22:24.010
movie. Up until the last 15 minutes, I think

01:22:24.010 --> 01:22:27.010
the climax in the sewers just goes on and on

01:22:27.010 --> 01:22:28.949
and is the least interesting way they could have

01:22:28.949 --> 01:22:30.949
ended the movie. But up until then, I was like,

01:22:31.010 --> 01:22:33.770
oh, this is really fun. There's a lot of bad

01:22:33.770 --> 01:22:36.510
stuff, but I'm very entertained by this movie.

01:22:37.250 --> 01:22:39.890
There are some scenes where my jaw was just hanging

01:22:39.890 --> 01:22:43.529
open, and that's for a lot of reasons. how ridiculous

01:22:43.529 --> 01:22:45.869
it was, but also just some of the special effects

01:22:45.869 --> 01:22:49.289
shots. Like you said, weird cutaways or like

01:22:49.289 --> 01:22:51.130
cutaways, not the right word, weird, like edits

01:22:51.130 --> 01:22:52.930
to a new scene where it's like, Whoa, where are

01:22:52.930 --> 01:22:55.470
we right now? Maybe not a good thing, but like

01:22:55.470 --> 01:22:57.529
it, it does keep the movie like very unpredictable

01:22:57.529 --> 01:23:00.310
and entertaining for a while. And then, you know,

01:23:00.310 --> 01:23:02.310
I just want to shout out the cast one more time.

01:23:02.710 --> 01:23:05.710
It's such a bizarre cast in this movie. I agree

01:23:05.710 --> 01:23:08.149
with you that Natasha Henstridge is the best

01:23:08.149 --> 01:23:12.739
part. And you know, I, Yeah, like obviously she's

01:23:12.739 --> 01:23:14.979
beautiful. And like, I do think like it's the

01:23:14.979 --> 01:23:18.140
appeal of like larger than life movie stars that

01:23:18.140 --> 01:23:20.199
are like gods or goddesses. Like I kind of like

01:23:20.199 --> 01:23:22.180
that element of cinema. And that goes all the

01:23:22.180 --> 01:23:23.920
way back to the silent era. And there's a little

01:23:23.920 --> 01:23:26.079
bit of that in this movie. And I kind of enjoy

01:23:26.079 --> 01:23:27.899
that about it for a while. And then it gets a

01:23:27.899 --> 01:23:29.619
little bit like creepy and vulgar towards the

01:23:29.619 --> 01:23:32.579
end. But, you know, I like all that stuff. Alfred

01:23:32.579 --> 01:23:35.359
Molina, Forrest Whitaker, their characters are

01:23:35.359 --> 01:23:37.420
terrible, but the actors themselves are fun to

01:23:37.420 --> 01:23:40.699
watch. Michelle Williams, again, I really like

01:23:40.699 --> 01:23:42.920
her a lot. It's cool to see her in such an early

01:23:42.920 --> 01:23:47.420
role. I think she still has that star power.

01:23:47.640 --> 01:23:50.699
I'm going to use that term again. Even if she

01:23:50.699 --> 01:23:52.359
was a newcomer, you're like, oh, she just has

01:23:52.359 --> 01:23:56.720
an energy and a compelling aspect to her. But

01:23:56.720 --> 01:23:58.699
mostly, it's just the entertainment value. This

01:23:58.699 --> 01:24:01.779
is a very fun movie for 80 % of its running time,

01:24:01.840 --> 01:24:05.220
I would say. You're not wrong. I do appreciate

01:24:05.220 --> 01:24:08.720
the over the topness of this film, the preposterousness.

01:24:09.859 --> 01:24:12.640
Yeah. And I need to be reminded of that. So thank

01:24:12.640 --> 01:24:15.100
you. Thank you. Thank you. I've always believed

01:24:15.100 --> 01:24:16.939
that like movies can have a lot of flaws, but

01:24:16.939 --> 01:24:19.399
they cannot be boring. That's the one like impermissible

01:24:19.399 --> 01:24:22.039
sin, you know? Oh, you know what? I was never

01:24:22.039 --> 01:24:26.659
bored by this movie. I may have been driven absolutely

01:24:26.659 --> 01:24:30.079
out of my mind. Yeah. But that's not boring.

01:24:30.779 --> 01:24:35.449
Yeah. Indeed. Yeah. Yeah, hopefully it's more

01:24:35.449 --> 01:24:38.689
than that. But, you know, I do think if it's

01:24:38.689 --> 01:24:40.210
entertaining, I want to give it a little bit

01:24:40.210 --> 01:24:41.949
of the benefit of the doubt, you know? Yeah,

01:24:41.970 --> 01:24:44.750
yeah. But yeah, there's so much bad stuff about

01:24:44.750 --> 01:24:47.670
this movie. Maybe, well, you know, we can kind

01:24:47.670 --> 01:24:49.430
of flip the script. I'll maybe say one thing,

01:24:49.489 --> 01:24:51.750
but then I'll allow you to go off if that sounds

01:24:51.750 --> 01:24:54.630
okay. I don't even know where to begin, though.

01:24:55.820 --> 01:24:59.060
Like the CGI, I'm sorry to hate on CGI so much

01:24:59.060 --> 01:25:01.000
on this podcast. I know I do it a lot, but it

01:25:01.000 --> 01:25:02.819
just like immediately takes me out of the movie.

01:25:02.859 --> 01:25:05.119
And it's like, just put somebody in an alien

01:25:05.119 --> 01:25:07.539
suit. You have H .R. Giger designing these suits

01:25:07.539 --> 01:25:10.300
and Steve Johnson, like, you know, working with

01:25:10.300 --> 01:25:11.920
him on that, like that could have been really

01:25:11.920 --> 01:25:15.079
amazing. And then you just have the worst CGI,

01:25:15.220 --> 01:25:18.520
like imaginable. It looks terrible. So that's

01:25:18.520 --> 01:25:21.560
a big negative for me. And again, I'll just kind

01:25:21.560 --> 01:25:26.470
of, you know, the theme of like, you know, don't

01:25:26.470 --> 01:25:28.270
trust a beautiful woman. She's just going to

01:25:28.270 --> 01:25:31.329
kill you. Like the tagline of the movie is she

01:25:31.329 --> 01:25:33.710
mates, she kills. And I feel like that's like

01:25:33.710 --> 01:25:37.310
this movie's worldview in a nutshell. So I, it's

01:25:37.310 --> 01:25:39.489
hard to like really love a movie too much if

01:25:39.489 --> 01:25:42.329
it has that kind of subtext to it, you know,

01:25:42.329 --> 01:25:45.949
not to read too much into it, but yeah. Oh yeah.

01:25:46.090 --> 01:25:50.010
I, right. I mean, that's the, that's the studio.

01:25:50.050 --> 01:25:53.920
That's the marketing. I think it speaks to. This

01:25:53.920 --> 01:25:55.979
shallowness that we see in a lot of 90s movies

01:25:55.979 --> 01:25:59.439
and media in particular around women and females

01:25:59.439 --> 01:26:02.520
and the male gaze. I'm not saying it's changed

01:26:02.520 --> 01:26:07.939
much, but it is a quite dated aspect of this

01:26:07.939 --> 01:26:10.279
film. When you go back and watch some of the

01:26:10.279 --> 01:26:13.880
interviews and you're like, oh, really? That's

01:26:13.880 --> 01:26:18.189
what you're going with? Right. Sometimes I'm

01:26:18.189 --> 01:26:20.909
okay with sleazy and trashy, but it has to be

01:26:20.909 --> 01:26:23.109
the right kind of sleaze. And it gets a little

01:26:23.109 --> 01:26:26.590
bit off -putting or disturbing maybe at times

01:26:26.590 --> 01:26:28.649
in this movie. Towards the end especially, I

01:26:28.649 --> 01:26:32.510
think. Yeah. I've already gone off. I just want

01:26:32.510 --> 01:26:35.810
to talk about Ben Kingsley and his accent. He

01:26:35.810 --> 01:26:38.529
tries to do an American accent. I'm like, this

01:26:38.529 --> 01:26:42.109
is a bad accent. He's hitting his R's really

01:26:42.109 --> 01:26:45.760
hard. Yeah. Which I know is like what... the

01:26:45.760 --> 01:26:47.600
Brits do. And they like got to do an American

01:26:47.600 --> 01:26:50.279
accent, but I'm like, you don't sound natural.

01:26:50.760 --> 01:26:54.039
You sound like you're doing an accent. Yeah.

01:26:54.220 --> 01:26:56.479
And he has some terrible lines that honestly,

01:26:56.539 --> 01:26:58.239
I can't find it. I'm not going to waste time

01:26:58.239 --> 01:26:59.939
finding it, but there was a line he said that

01:26:59.939 --> 01:27:02.899
he just mumbled because his accent was so thick

01:27:02.899 --> 01:27:05.600
and so bad. I was like, that was unintelligible.

01:27:05.699 --> 01:27:12.439
I don't know what you just said. Yeah. Yeah.

01:27:12.539 --> 01:27:15.359
Oh, man. I know he has so many bad lines of dialogue

01:27:15.359 --> 01:27:16.760
in this movie. And now, of course, I can't really

01:27:16.760 --> 01:27:19.060
think of any of them. Well, there's like, he's

01:27:19.060 --> 01:27:22.279
like, we made her female so we could, you know,

01:27:22.279 --> 01:27:24.399
control her mind or whatever. Or so she'd be

01:27:24.399 --> 01:27:28.340
more docile. Yeah. And then Michael Madsen, he's

01:27:28.340 --> 01:27:30.000
like, well, then you haven't, you don't know

01:27:30.000 --> 01:27:32.560
much about women. Yeah. That's a line where I'm

01:27:32.560 --> 01:27:34.800
like, the movie wants me to laugh. I'm not going

01:27:34.800 --> 01:27:39.739
to give it that. Right. That's such a dumb line.

01:27:40.079 --> 01:27:43.220
It's so predictable. Yeah. Predictable. Yeah.

01:27:44.020 --> 01:27:48.020
Yeah. Yeah. And all the stuff where he's kind

01:27:48.020 --> 01:27:49.899
of like making fun of the scientists a little

01:27:49.899 --> 01:27:51.680
bit. Like, I think actually when Forrest Whitaker

01:27:51.680 --> 01:27:53.520
says that thing of like something terrible happens

01:27:53.520 --> 01:27:55.960
here at the murder scene, Ben Kingsley says some

01:27:55.960 --> 01:27:58.479
like stupid reply where he's like, oh, is that

01:27:58.479 --> 01:28:00.060
what you have to offer or something like that?

01:28:00.140 --> 01:28:02.000
And it's like, well, why did you enlist him on

01:28:02.000 --> 01:28:06.909
your team then? Man, it's so. No, yeah, just

01:28:06.909 --> 01:28:09.109
no internal logic whatsoever. Well, by the end,

01:28:09.109 --> 01:28:11.270
he treats Forrest Whitaker as a full -blown psychic

01:28:11.270 --> 01:28:12.789
because they're in the sewers and he's like,

01:28:12.850 --> 01:28:15.130
which way did she go? Which way did she go? And

01:28:15.130 --> 01:28:18.170
Whitaker's like panicking. He's like, I don't

01:28:18.170 --> 01:28:21.210
know. I don't know. And Ben Kingsley's like,

01:28:21.329 --> 01:28:25.130
then why do we have you here? And I'm like, that's

01:28:25.130 --> 01:28:27.590
the very question I've been wondering this whole

01:28:27.590 --> 01:28:31.970
runtime. Why do you have him here? Why don't

01:28:31.970 --> 01:28:34.710
you answer that question, Xavier Fitch? I feel

01:28:34.710 --> 01:28:37.979
like you made this decision. There is a great

01:28:37.979 --> 01:28:40.680
moment in that same scene where like, you know,

01:28:40.699 --> 01:28:42.739
Forest Whitaker doesn't know which way she went.

01:28:42.840 --> 01:28:45.260
So Ben Kingsley is like, all right, well, follow

01:28:45.260 --> 01:28:47.159
me, Dan, or whatever his name is. And Forest

01:28:47.159 --> 01:28:49.119
Whitaker is like, no, I'm just going to go with

01:28:49.119 --> 01:28:51.579
these guys. I'm going to go here. That's a very

01:28:51.579 --> 01:28:54.600
awkward moment, but I loved it. Yeah, it's a

01:28:54.600 --> 01:28:57.180
weird, awkward moment. That's a good way to put

01:28:57.180 --> 01:29:01.560
it. Yeah. And there, I mean, there's just so

01:29:01.560 --> 01:29:04.579
much camp value like that in this movie. The

01:29:04.579 --> 01:29:07.100
supposed rapport between Michael Madsen and Mark

01:29:07.100 --> 01:29:12.239
Helgenberger, but it's painful. Oh, painful.

01:29:12.840 --> 01:29:16.140
Yeah, their lines are just, okay, we get it.

01:29:16.140 --> 01:29:17.699
You're going to hook up. Can you just do it now?

01:29:17.920 --> 01:29:22.279
What is this foreplay? Yeah, it goes on and on.

01:29:22.680 --> 01:29:24.920
The actors, I think they kind of do what they

01:29:24.920 --> 01:29:26.739
can. You're right that Michael Madsen is phoning

01:29:26.739 --> 01:29:28.890
it in and doing like a... Robert Mitchum, like

01:29:28.890 --> 01:29:30.649
falling asleep in front of the camera sort of

01:29:30.649 --> 01:29:33.109
impression. But there are some elements of that

01:29:33.109 --> 01:29:35.350
that I liked, but the screenwriting itself is

01:29:35.350 --> 01:29:37.970
very, very, very bad. Yeah, it's unfortunate.

01:29:39.520 --> 01:29:41.279
One more campy thing that I wanted to bring up.

01:29:41.340 --> 01:29:43.800
We can go back and forth if you want, but I,

01:29:43.920 --> 01:29:46.159
so, you know, in addition to this team of scientists,

01:29:46.239 --> 01:29:48.159
there are also these two government agents that

01:29:48.159 --> 01:29:50.579
are just like hovering around everybody the whole

01:29:50.579 --> 01:29:52.420
time. They're like wearing business suits and

01:29:52.420 --> 01:29:54.760
like, clearly they're government agents. And

01:29:54.760 --> 01:29:56.539
like, even when they're in like nightclubs and

01:29:56.539 --> 01:29:59.239
like, you know, supposed to be like blending

01:29:59.239 --> 01:30:01.100
in, there are these two guys that are just like

01:30:01.100 --> 01:30:03.500
always in the background of the scene. And I

01:30:03.500 --> 01:30:05.119
don't know if that's supposed to be funny, but

01:30:05.119 --> 01:30:07.020
I laughed like almost every time I saw them.

01:30:07.920 --> 01:30:11.579
because why aren't they on the team yeah i watched

01:30:11.579 --> 01:30:14.500
a review it was like you know this whole this

01:30:14.500 --> 01:30:19.600
team after sill like a a super powered malicious

01:30:19.600 --> 01:30:23.880
being you don't send scientists and an empath

01:30:23.880 --> 01:30:27.260
in there like they all need to be trained assassins

01:30:27.260 --> 01:30:31.060
like michael madsen yeah totally like why is

01:30:31.060 --> 01:30:34.359
why is alfred molina following this monster around

01:30:34.359 --> 01:30:38.539
yeah Yeah, right. And they all seem to be very

01:30:38.539 --> 01:30:41.239
bad at their jobs. If there was any believability

01:30:41.239 --> 01:30:43.500
in this movie, all of them would have been killed

01:30:43.500 --> 01:30:45.880
by Scylla within half an hour, I think. Oh my,

01:30:45.920 --> 01:30:49.500
totally. Yeah. Ridiculous. The one campy thing

01:30:49.500 --> 01:30:53.380
I want to share, this was not supposed to be

01:30:53.380 --> 01:30:56.220
funny, but it had me laughing out loud. When

01:30:56.220 --> 01:31:00.970
Michael Madsen, and sorry, what's the... The

01:31:00.970 --> 01:31:02.710
woman that kind of has a flirtatious thing with

01:31:02.710 --> 01:31:06.590
him. Marg Helgenberger is the actor. Marg Helgenberger.

01:31:07.409 --> 01:31:14.369
They are locked in the lab to do a genetic test.

01:31:14.930 --> 01:31:19.850
And then things go haywire. And the sample of

01:31:19.850 --> 01:31:23.550
the alien starts to mutate and increase in size

01:31:23.550 --> 01:31:27.090
very quickly. And behind the glass, you have

01:31:27.090 --> 01:31:30.140
Ben Kingsley and everybody. And Ben Kingsley's

01:31:30.140 --> 01:31:34.260
like, oh no, it's all gone wrong. We got to lock

01:31:34.260 --> 01:31:39.159
the doors and we can't let our friends out. But

01:31:39.159 --> 01:31:44.699
everyone is screaming, open the doors for like

01:31:44.699 --> 01:31:48.680
five minutes while this mutation is happening.

01:31:49.359 --> 01:31:51.220
And I just, I'm cracking up because I'm thinking,

01:31:51.300 --> 01:31:53.319
dude, just open the door. You could do it. Just

01:31:53.319 --> 01:31:56.279
open the door. Ben Kingsley's like, I can't open

01:31:56.279 --> 01:31:58.970
the door. I can't do it. Don't make me. It goes

01:31:58.970 --> 01:32:01.729
on for too long and you realize you could just

01:32:01.729 --> 01:32:04.149
open the door. Yeah. I think that's what, and

01:32:04.149 --> 01:32:07.170
that's what ends up happening. Yep. After like

01:32:07.170 --> 01:32:08.829
five minutes of mayhem, you're just like, oh

01:32:08.829 --> 01:32:11.609
my, okay. What was that? Why are we yelling at

01:32:11.609 --> 01:32:16.310
each other? Right. Yeah. I like, I think like

01:32:16.310 --> 01:32:18.630
he does like incinerate that like creature or

01:32:18.630 --> 01:32:20.149
whatever. And then he opens the door, but it's

01:32:20.149 --> 01:32:23.550
like, yeah, you didn't need to do all this. You

01:32:23.550 --> 01:32:24.810
know, you could have just let them out and then

01:32:24.810 --> 01:32:27.090
reclose the door. It shouldn't be that hard.

01:32:28.060 --> 01:32:31.039
Yeah, I that scene is pretty amusing. I was kind

01:32:31.039 --> 01:32:33.000
of still on board with the movie at that time.

01:32:33.039 --> 01:32:34.920
And I was like, this is really stupid, but it's

01:32:34.920 --> 01:32:37.119
still kind of entertaining. And like, you know,

01:32:37.159 --> 01:32:39.460
you get like a big blob alien creature. I was

01:32:39.460 --> 01:32:43.119
like, OK, that's fun. I agree. Yeah. But a very

01:32:43.119 --> 01:32:45.920
ridiculous scene for so so over the top. Yeah.

01:32:46.760 --> 01:32:49.600
And then I won't ruin like the very the like

01:32:49.600 --> 01:32:51.399
the quip at the end of the movie when Michael

01:32:51.399 --> 01:32:55.989
Madsen, you know. Maybe it's not a spoiler. I

01:32:55.989 --> 01:32:57.729
don't know. I'll just say there's a quip at the

01:32:57.729 --> 01:33:01.189
end. It involves, you know, vulgar language,

01:33:01.270 --> 01:33:02.989
so I'm not going to say it here, but it's so

01:33:02.989 --> 01:33:05.409
stupid. It's like the worst quip they possibly

01:33:05.409 --> 01:33:07.710
could have done. You know, I have a weakness

01:33:07.710 --> 01:33:09.930
for just like bad quips in action movies, but

01:33:09.930 --> 01:33:12.329
this one is like embarrassing, I would say. Yep,

01:33:12.350 --> 01:33:14.810
yep. They were trying to go for something iconic.

01:33:14.909 --> 01:33:19.189
It's like you can't try for iconic status. It

01:33:19.189 --> 01:33:21.789
just has to be organic and, you know, easier

01:33:21.789 --> 01:33:24.800
said than done. Yeah, yeah, totally. What they

01:33:24.800 --> 01:33:27.199
come up with here is not cutting it. I'll just

01:33:27.199 --> 01:33:31.840
say that. All right. Anything else in the good,

01:33:31.840 --> 01:33:33.100
the bad, or the campy that you want to bring

01:33:33.100 --> 01:33:37.359
up? No, I'm good. Okay. All right. Well, we've

01:33:37.359 --> 01:33:39.939
arrived at the time of Camp Kaiju, the end of

01:33:39.939 --> 01:33:42.260
every episode where we give the film a rating.

01:33:42.800 --> 01:33:46.779
As always, our highest rating is it's a timeless

01:33:46.779 --> 01:33:48.840
classic. It definitely stands the test of time.

01:33:49.439 --> 01:33:51.699
Our second rating is there may be some antiquated

01:33:51.699 --> 01:33:53.800
moments, but overall it's great. It stands the

01:33:53.800 --> 01:33:57.180
test of time. Our third rating is it may be historically

01:33:57.180 --> 01:33:59.479
significant or just fun, but it does not stand

01:33:59.479 --> 01:34:02.260
the test of time. And finally, our lowest rating,

01:34:02.359 --> 01:34:04.800
it is not worth revisiting. It definitely does

01:34:04.800 --> 01:34:08.539
not stand the test of time. Okay. I'll go first

01:34:08.539 --> 01:34:10.079
because I think you're going to end on a positive

01:34:10.079 --> 01:34:13.760
note, which is always nice. Okay, cool. I have

01:34:13.760 --> 01:34:17.460
seen this movie twice. It lost a lot of its sheen.

01:34:17.979 --> 01:34:21.619
upon second viewing, which means it went from

01:34:21.619 --> 01:34:24.979
the second to last to the last category for me.

01:34:25.079 --> 01:34:28.600
It's been a while since I have judged a movie

01:34:28.600 --> 01:34:31.920
like that. I think the idea of this movie is

01:34:31.920 --> 01:34:35.479
a lot of fun. I think there are some really strong

01:34:35.479 --> 01:34:39.380
moments, but overall, I don't need to watch this

01:34:39.380 --> 01:34:42.100
movie again. I guess watch it with a group of

01:34:42.100 --> 01:34:43.979
friends. I mean, we're laughing. We're having

01:34:43.979 --> 01:34:48.539
a good time, right? So it has value. But I have

01:34:48.539 --> 01:34:51.060
to say, I don't think it stands the test of time

01:34:51.060 --> 01:34:57.000
on its own. And there are other movies of this

01:34:57.000 --> 01:35:00.600
ilk from the 90s that I would much rather watch.

01:35:01.460 --> 01:35:04.220
Definitely agree with that. Yeah. I feel like

01:35:04.220 --> 01:35:06.220
you can objectively state with a lot of evidence

01:35:06.220 --> 01:35:08.720
like it is not worth revisiting because you revisited

01:35:08.720 --> 01:35:11.560
it and it was, you know, yeah, it did not hold

01:35:11.560 --> 01:35:15.479
up. So I feel like you have proof that it deserves

01:35:15.479 --> 01:35:20.260
that lowest rating, perhaps. That's all totally

01:35:20.260 --> 01:35:22.960
fair. I, you know, I've only seen it the one

01:35:22.960 --> 01:35:24.699
time, so I do think I'm going to give it our

01:35:24.699 --> 01:35:27.600
second lowest rating. I do think it's very fun.

01:35:27.720 --> 01:35:30.439
A lot of the time, not all the time. Love some

01:35:30.439 --> 01:35:33.479
of the creature effects. I do like Natasha Henstridge

01:35:33.479 --> 01:35:36.399
a lot. I think like, again, she's just like,

01:35:36.399 --> 01:35:38.779
is a lot of fun to watch. I do have a weakness

01:35:38.779 --> 01:35:42.380
for kind of like trashy exploitation horror movies,

01:35:42.539 --> 01:35:44.359
but there's some bad stuff that goes along with

01:35:44.359 --> 01:35:46.989
that too, of course. So yeah, some stuff that

01:35:46.989 --> 01:35:48.670
I really like about this movie that I think is

01:35:48.670 --> 01:35:52.229
a lot of fun, but it does not stand the test

01:35:52.229 --> 01:35:54.689
of time in many ways. Like already I can see

01:35:54.689 --> 01:35:58.050
that even after one viewing. So yeah, not as

01:35:58.050 --> 01:36:01.109
just like fun and like trashy as I was hoping

01:36:01.109 --> 01:36:03.029
it would be with a lot more flaws than I expected.

01:36:03.470 --> 01:36:05.869
But you know, maybe still worth one viewing,

01:36:05.949 --> 01:36:08.909
I would say. Yeah, see it once. I think you're

01:36:08.909 --> 01:36:11.630
right on the money with that, Matt. Yeah. Thank

01:36:11.630 --> 01:36:13.829
you for bringing it to the podcast, though. Thank

01:36:13.829 --> 01:36:16.989
you for making me watch it a second time. I'm

01:36:16.989 --> 01:36:18.810
glad I had an excuse to finally watch it. I've

01:36:18.810 --> 01:36:20.829
been wanting to for the last 30 years. Yeah,

01:36:20.949 --> 01:36:23.909
I love that. And maybe I'll watch some of the

01:36:23.909 --> 01:36:25.649
sequels soon and let you know how terrible they

01:36:25.649 --> 01:36:28.750
are. Please do. Yeah. Yeah, you let me know.

01:36:28.850 --> 01:36:31.789
I'll trust you with that. Cool. Yeah, I'll make

01:36:31.789 --> 01:36:35.229
the sacrifice. Well, again, next time on Camp

01:36:35.229 --> 01:36:37.050
Kaiju, we're going to be talking about Gamera

01:36:37.050 --> 01:36:40.050
the Invincible or... Gamera Guardian of the Universe?

01:36:40.210 --> 01:36:41.789
Is that what it's called? No, the giant monster.

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Oh, okay. Gotcha. From 1966? 65. Somewhere around

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there. Yeah. Cool. Very excited for that. Stay

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in the show notes. Open up the door! Press! Press!

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What the fuck is that? Come on! Get to the other

01:38:34.489 --> 01:38:38.050
door! Let her out, bitch! Let her out, Russ!

01:38:38.250 --> 01:38:40.850
Let her out! I can't do that! You motherfucker!

01:38:41.130 --> 01:38:42.670
What are you doing? You let her out! You gotta

01:38:42.670 --> 01:38:45.770
let them out, bitch! Get out of the way! I'm

01:38:45.770 --> 01:38:52.170
gonna burn it! Get out of the way! What is this

01:38:52.170 --> 01:38:53.670
thing? What is this? Can't destroy it in two

01:38:53.670 --> 01:38:55.409
minutes or have to burn the whole room. What?

01:38:55.430 --> 01:38:57.550
I have! Do I have to burn the whole room? You've

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got less than two minutes to kill the thing.

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Disconnect the gas line in the isolation box.

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Use it as a flamethrower. I think I killed it.

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It's dead. Open the door. It's dead, Fitch. Let

01:39:42.039 --> 01:39:54.420
them out. Oh, God. It's not dead. What are we

01:39:54.420 --> 01:39:57.960
going to do? 30 seconds remaining. There's not

01:39:57.960 --> 01:39:59.220
much time. We've got to get out of here. Open

01:39:59.220 --> 01:40:00.819
the door. You better not. You've got to let them

01:40:00.819 --> 01:40:02.760
out. I can't do that. It might escape. I have

01:40:02.760 --> 01:40:05.159
to follow protocol. What protocol? Protocols

01:40:05.159 --> 01:40:06.739
by which we're running these experiments. Will

01:40:06.739 --> 01:40:10.439
you tell them not to go in there? 13, 12, the

01:40:10.439 --> 01:40:13.819
letter, 10. Bitch, let them out. I have to follow

01:40:13.819 --> 01:40:17.140
protocol. Let them out, bitch. Go, go, get out.

01:40:18.819 --> 01:40:22.939
Three, two, one. I hope you realize I had no

01:40:22.939 --> 01:40:24.680
choice. Yes, you have the protocol to burn the

01:40:24.680 --> 01:40:26.180
room in two minutes if anything went wrong.