WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:04.980 where is he getting these baboons? Every time 00:00:04.980 --> 00:00:06.919 you turn around, there's another baboon in the 00:00:06.919 --> 00:00:11.220 laboratory. Yeah. You got to feel for him. Yeah. 00:00:11.500 --> 00:00:14.199 I would, you know, like there is like a tiny 00:00:14.199 --> 00:00:15.880 bit of explanation because he works for this 00:00:15.880 --> 00:00:18.500 research lab. So maybe he's like getting them 00:00:18.500 --> 00:00:20.039 through the lab, but you would think at some 00:00:20.039 --> 00:00:21.719 point they're like, we're spending thousands 00:00:21.719 --> 00:00:24.500 of dollars on these baboons. Like they would 00:00:24.500 --> 00:00:27.859 probably stop approving that, you know, him using 00:00:27.859 --> 00:00:45.640 them for the experiments. Hello and welcome to 00:00:45.640 --> 00:00:49.640 Camp Kaiju Monster Movie Podcast. I'm your host, 00:00:49.740 --> 00:00:53.079 Vincent Hannum, and together me and Matt talk 00:00:53.079 --> 00:00:55.640 about all our favorite monster movies, the good, 00:00:55.759 --> 00:00:58.859 the bad, and the downright campy, and asking 00:00:58.859 --> 00:01:01.759 if they stand the test of time. Traditional kaiju, 00:01:01.820 --> 00:01:04.120 creature features, space invaders, the supernatural, 00:01:04.480 --> 00:01:07.560 and everything in between. All strange beasts 00:01:07.560 --> 00:01:11.340 are welcome here. Camp Kaiju is sponsored by 00:01:11.340 --> 00:01:14.239 Zach Linder and the Zach Pack, powered by Coldwell 00:01:14.239 --> 00:01:17.959 Banker Realty. Your source for real estate, home 00:01:17.959 --> 00:01:20.480 rehab, fixing and flipping for investor clients 00:01:20.480 --> 00:01:23.519 and residential buyers. Reach out to the Zach 00:01:23.519 --> 00:01:26.540 Pack today for real estate services. Follow the 00:01:26.540 --> 00:01:29.439 Zach Pack on social media and contact the Zach 00:01:29.439 --> 00:01:32.680 Pack for investment opportunities. Links in the 00:01:32.680 --> 00:01:42.920 show notes. I think you're making a mistake. 00:01:43.079 --> 00:01:45.019 I think you really want to talk to me. Sorry, 00:01:45.140 --> 00:01:46.819 I have three other interviews to do before this 00:01:46.819 --> 00:01:48.379 party's over. Yeah, but they're not working on 00:01:48.379 --> 00:01:49.900 something that will change the world as we know 00:01:49.900 --> 00:01:53.500 it. They say they are. Yeah, but they're lying. 00:01:54.620 --> 00:01:58.099 There is a limit, even to the imagination. Human 00:01:58.099 --> 00:02:01.000 teleportation, molecular decimation, breakdown, 00:02:01.120 --> 00:02:06.739 and reformation is inherently purging. Where 00:02:06.739 --> 00:02:09.699 our greatest creations meet our deepest fears. 00:02:10.039 --> 00:02:12.319 Something went wrong, Seth. When you went through, 00:02:12.539 --> 00:02:18.159 something went wrong. You are about to go beyond 00:02:18.159 --> 00:02:25.879 that limit. Those weird hairs that were growing 00:02:25.879 --> 00:02:28.479 out of your back, I had them analyzed. They were 00:02:28.479 --> 00:02:32.580 definitely not human. If you saw how scared and 00:02:32.580 --> 00:02:34.919 angry and desperate he is... I'm sure Typhoid 00:02:34.919 --> 00:02:36.599 Mary was a very nice person, too, when you saw 00:02:36.599 --> 00:02:39.740 her socially. No! You're afraid to be destroyed 00:02:39.740 --> 00:02:42.460 and recreated, aren't you? You're changing, Seth. 00:02:42.639 --> 00:02:45.400 Everything about you is changing. Oh, no. What's 00:02:45.400 --> 00:02:49.960 happening to me? Am I dying? I want to know what's 00:02:49.960 --> 00:02:52.740 going on. What does the disease want? It was 00:02:52.740 --> 00:02:57.039 to turn me into something else. A fly got into 00:02:57.039 --> 00:02:59.319 the transmitter pod with me the first time when 00:02:59.319 --> 00:03:01.680 I was alone. Don't go back to it. It could be 00:03:01.680 --> 00:03:06.280 contagious. I'm afraid. Don't be afraid. No. 00:03:06.759 --> 00:03:24.979 Be afraid. Be very afraid. All right, listeners, 00:03:25.199 --> 00:03:28.539 campers, the world over. Here's what we got going 00:03:28.539 --> 00:03:30.719 on for you this weekend. We are talking about 00:03:30.719 --> 00:03:35.460 The Fly, David Cronenberg's reimagining from 00:03:35.460 --> 00:03:40.300 1986 based on the short story from the 50s, and 00:03:40.300 --> 00:03:47.379 then more widely known, the film from 1958 starring 00:03:47.379 --> 00:03:52.439 Vincent Price and David Hedison. So. What gives? 00:03:52.580 --> 00:03:56.219 Why are we going with the fly instead of Island 00:03:56.219 --> 00:03:58.620 of Dr. Moreau? Well, we're still going to get 00:03:58.620 --> 00:04:01.699 to the Island of Dr. Moreau from 96, but that's 00:04:01.699 --> 00:04:04.099 going to be two weeks from now. So what ended 00:04:04.099 --> 00:04:06.560 up happening, let you in behind the curtain here, 00:04:06.680 --> 00:04:09.919 is that as of this recording, which is March 00:04:09.919 --> 00:04:15.379 25th, 2025, Matt is in Mexico and I'm gearing 00:04:15.379 --> 00:04:19.019 up for my own spring break vacation to sunny 00:04:19.019 --> 00:04:23.910 Iowa. With that said, you know, me and Matt decided 00:04:23.910 --> 00:04:28.670 let's just push back Dr. Moreau and wait until 00:04:28.670 --> 00:04:32.389 we can really commit ourselves to it. Frank Olson 00:04:32.389 --> 00:04:34.750 is going to join us there. Longtime listeners 00:04:34.750 --> 00:04:40.449 rejoice for the return of Frank. So I thought 00:04:40.449 --> 00:04:43.569 to myself, hmm, you know, we do have a back catalog 00:04:43.569 --> 00:04:46.730 at this point on Camp Kaiju, which is a really 00:04:46.730 --> 00:04:53.970 great. We're very proud of our show and our content. 00:04:54.250 --> 00:04:58.389 And what you're going to hear is our recording 00:04:58.389 --> 00:05:03.550 of The Fly 1986, originally released October 00:05:03.550 --> 00:05:09.870 2021. So what, three and a half years ago? That's 00:05:09.870 --> 00:05:13.329 insane. It's also the first time Matt appeared 00:05:13.329 --> 00:05:18.310 on this here podcast. It's also just kind of 00:05:18.310 --> 00:05:20.670 a trip back through time, me and Matt, before 00:05:20.670 --> 00:05:23.889 we had any sort of script, before we had any 00:05:23.889 --> 00:05:27.790 sort of inside jokes. It's just he and I, we 00:05:27.790 --> 00:05:31.269 had met, well, he and I had personally met years 00:05:31.269 --> 00:05:35.649 ago. We worked together, but for the fly, for 00:05:35.649 --> 00:05:37.410 this episode you're going to hear, we recorded 00:05:37.410 --> 00:05:41.209 it originally on Instagram. Yeah, we did an Instagram 00:05:41.209 --> 00:05:43.870 live show, and that's how I was recording Camp 00:05:43.870 --> 00:05:47.879 Kaiju at that time. Boy, how times have changed. 00:05:48.040 --> 00:05:51.060 And we couldn't thank the patrons enough out 00:05:51.060 --> 00:05:53.480 there for allowing that change to continually 00:05:53.480 --> 00:05:57.519 develop. So I got to shout out Jason, Chris, 00:05:57.699 --> 00:06:01.259 Sean, our anonymous patron, Peggy, and our brand 00:06:01.259 --> 00:06:05.060 new patron, Will. If you're out there listening, 00:06:05.240 --> 00:06:07.620 thank you for your contributions every month. 00:06:08.060 --> 00:06:11.600 It really keeps us going. And if you, Will, and 00:06:11.600 --> 00:06:13.399 everyone else listening, you know, go back to 00:06:13.399 --> 00:06:15.920 season one, go back to season two of Camp Kaiju. 00:06:16.620 --> 00:06:19.279 The audio is not great. I'm going to own up to 00:06:19.279 --> 00:06:23.040 that. I was just starting out my podcast journey. 00:06:23.360 --> 00:06:27.779 I was recording myself on my phone. I was uploading 00:06:27.779 --> 00:06:31.480 these to Instagram, to YouTube, and occasionally 00:06:31.480 --> 00:06:34.939 I was going live with a special guest. Case in 00:06:34.939 --> 00:06:40.180 point, Matthew Cole Levine. We'd worked together. 00:06:40.279 --> 00:06:42.920 We'd been friends together. I knew he was a movie 00:06:42.920 --> 00:06:45.660 buff and a film critic. And had a lot of really 00:06:45.660 --> 00:06:49.300 interesting and good takes on the horror genre 00:06:49.300 --> 00:06:52.540 specifically. Science fiction monster movies. 00:06:53.259 --> 00:06:58.399 So Matt, as you'll soon hear, is a huge fan of 00:06:58.399 --> 00:07:01.759 Cronenberg. And this fly in particular is one 00:07:01.759 --> 00:07:04.720 of his favorite movies. You know, it's not a 00:07:04.720 --> 00:07:08.720 spoiler to say this is a highly regarded masterpiece 00:07:08.720 --> 00:07:13.160 to many people. And I can't argue with those 00:07:13.160 --> 00:07:16.879 points. So we hope you enjoy, and we hope you 00:07:16.879 --> 00:07:20.480 forgive any audio qualities that are less than 00:07:20.480 --> 00:07:23.980 what you're used to with more recent seasons 00:07:23.980 --> 00:07:28.600 of Camp Kaiju. Now, while Cronenberg's Fly may 00:07:28.600 --> 00:07:33.560 be an undisputed marvel of a film, and the 58 00:07:33.560 --> 00:07:37.639 Fly, I would say, is equally in those ranks for 00:07:37.639 --> 00:07:40.600 very different reasons. But please check that 00:07:40.600 --> 00:07:45.009 movie out if you haven't. But I can't wait to 00:07:45.009 --> 00:07:49.230 get into a little bit of my own personal takes 00:07:49.230 --> 00:07:55.769 on the sequels in this bizarre franchise. Listeners, 00:07:55.769 --> 00:07:59.370 I got to tell you, you know, you have your Frankensteins, 00:07:59.370 --> 00:08:02.750 have your Freddy Kruegers. But when it comes 00:08:02.750 --> 00:08:08.449 to horror franchises, I think The Fly, this is 00:08:08.449 --> 00:08:14.410 a five film. franchise is is underrated and just 00:08:14.410 --> 00:08:17.449 through and through aside apart from the two 00:08:17.449 --> 00:08:21.970 bona fide classics these sequels we have return 00:08:21.970 --> 00:08:25.569 of the fly from 1959 curse of the fly from the 00:08:25.569 --> 00:08:29.970 mid 60s and then fly 2 which is the sequel to 00:08:29.970 --> 00:08:34.889 cronenberg's fly these movies offer so much to 00:08:34.889 --> 00:08:40.809 dive into to to buzz about and And really analyze. 00:08:41.230 --> 00:08:44.970 They run the gamut from good, bad, and campy. 00:08:44.990 --> 00:08:47.809 Which is our bread and butter here on Camp Kaiju. 00:08:47.929 --> 00:08:50.029 So that's what I really love those kinds of movies. 00:08:50.850 --> 00:08:52.850 I'm going to talk about them a little bit here 00:08:52.850 --> 00:08:57.309 in order. But I want to just go into some nuts 00:08:57.309 --> 00:08:59.490 and bolts before I do that. I do want to thank 00:08:59.490 --> 00:09:02.669 you truly for listening this week. I know it's 00:09:02.669 --> 00:09:05.429 a surprise episode. But please rate and review 00:09:05.429 --> 00:09:08.330 wherever you listen. That really goes a long 00:09:08.330 --> 00:09:13.059 way. in increasing our audience, which again, 00:09:13.259 --> 00:09:17.279 I'm proud of the work we put out. And I'm proud 00:09:17.279 --> 00:09:19.720 of the little community we have created here 00:09:19.720 --> 00:09:23.840 on Camp Kaiju. I read all the reviews I can on 00:09:23.840 --> 00:09:28.100 YouTube, on Instagram, on Spotify. I always try 00:09:28.100 --> 00:09:32.419 to respond. And even if out there you're not 00:09:32.419 --> 00:09:36.580 always agreeing with what me and Matt say, I 00:09:36.580 --> 00:09:40.200 really appreciate the back and forth conversations 00:09:40.200 --> 00:09:44.460 that that that then leads to, because, you know, 00:09:44.460 --> 00:09:46.740 we don't love every movie and not everyone out 00:09:46.740 --> 00:09:50.980 there agrees that what I think is a masterpiece. 00:09:51.700 --> 00:09:55.120 It's and I love that. I love that conversation. 00:09:55.340 --> 00:09:58.539 I love that film and art can do that. And here 00:09:58.539 --> 00:10:01.960 we are talking about the fly, all the flies, 00:10:02.100 --> 00:10:06.259 which, you know, I think. to varying degrees, 00:10:06.580 --> 00:10:10.860 speak to that complicated, wonderful place that 00:10:10.860 --> 00:10:16.940 art can inhabit where it is both popular and 00:10:16.940 --> 00:10:21.620 artistic, right? So it can be loved by audiences 00:10:21.620 --> 00:10:25.799 and respected by critics. And I think The Fly 00:10:25.799 --> 00:10:30.120 as a franchise, as a series, just hits that sweet 00:10:30.120 --> 00:10:35.370 spot so well. I love it. I love it. So truly, 00:10:35.470 --> 00:10:37.169 thank you for listening. If you have any thoughts, 00:10:37.269 --> 00:10:42.009 opinions, questions, or memories about The Fly, 00:10:42.370 --> 00:10:45.889 any of these movies, please let us know. You 00:10:45.889 --> 00:10:49.029 can send listener comments to campkaiju at gmail 00:10:49.029 --> 00:10:53.750 .com, our Instagram page at camp underscore kaiju 00:10:53.750 --> 00:10:57.850 underscore podcast, or call us. Please leave 00:10:57.850 --> 00:11:03.590 us a voicemail at 612 -470 -2612. And we'll feature 00:11:03.590 --> 00:11:08.929 your voice on the show. So please check all that 00:11:08.929 --> 00:11:11.690 out in our show notes. 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So become 00:12:41.870 --> 00:12:46.990 a patron between now and May 5th, 2025, and you're 00:12:46.990 --> 00:12:51.889 good for a free drink. So why pass that up? And 00:12:51.889 --> 00:12:54.879 of course, if you're not in town... If you become 00:12:54.879 --> 00:12:57.019 a patron between now and then, we'll make it 00:12:57.019 --> 00:12:58.980 up for you. We'll come up with something else, 00:12:59.000 --> 00:13:03.700 another freebie. Because, hey, patrons, you're 00:13:03.700 --> 00:13:07.879 the foundation for all this. So thanks so much. 00:13:14.100 --> 00:13:16.940 Will everyone in the theater hold on firmly to 00:13:16.940 --> 00:13:37.250 his seat, please? Stop it! Stop it! I'm Vincent 00:13:37.250 --> 00:13:41.269 Price. What an earthly horror did that girl gaze 00:13:41.269 --> 00:13:44.870 upon? What manner of incredible thing walked 00:13:44.870 --> 00:13:48.269 beneath that hood? It would be unfair at this 00:13:48.269 --> 00:13:50.409 time to show you any more of what went on in 00:13:50.409 --> 00:13:53.070 that laboratory where a man actually dared to 00:13:53.070 --> 00:13:56.850 play God. So fantastic, words can't begin to 00:13:56.850 --> 00:14:00.210 describe it. You must see it with your own eyes 00:14:00.210 --> 00:14:09.289 to believe it when the fly comes your way. It 00:14:09.289 --> 00:14:12.750 isn't like any other fly I've ever seen. No! 00:14:13.070 --> 00:14:17.080 No! No! Please let me look at the fly! I've killed 00:14:17.080 --> 00:14:20.759 Andre. Please help me. Call the police and... 00:14:20.759 --> 00:14:23.759 The charge can only be murder. There were no 00:14:23.759 --> 00:14:26.820 mistresses. I had no lovers. Why did you kill 00:14:26.820 --> 00:14:31.779 him? God, don't let it get out. Inspector. Inspector, 00:14:31.980 --> 00:14:34.960 it's in the garden. Come quickly. As God is my 00:14:34.960 --> 00:14:36.879 witness, I saw the thing. It's unbelievable. 00:14:38.299 --> 00:14:40.679 I shall never forget that scream as long as I 00:14:40.679 --> 00:14:47.320 live. The fly is on its way. Watch out for it. 00:14:48.419 --> 00:14:51.259 It's far beyond anything your mind could ever 00:14:51.259 --> 00:15:08.139 conceive. It would be unfair at this time to 00:15:08.139 --> 00:15:10.379 show you any more of what went on in that laboratory 00:15:10.379 --> 00:15:14.929 where a man actually dared to play God. So fantastic, 00:15:15.190 --> 00:15:18.850 words can't begin to describe it. You must see 00:15:18.850 --> 00:15:21.970 it with your own eyes to believe it. When the 00:15:21.970 --> 00:15:30.990 fly comes your way. Listen. Do you hear? It's 00:15:30.990 --> 00:15:35.029 coming back. Turning the screen into a buzzing, 00:15:35.149 --> 00:15:47.299 crawling, creeping nightmare of terror. This 00:15:47.299 --> 00:15:51.360 is the son of the original fly, daring to explore 00:15:51.360 --> 00:15:54.480 the forbidden science of transmigration that 00:15:54.480 --> 00:15:57.559 brought horrible death to his father. You look 00:15:57.559 --> 00:15:59.980 as if you've just seen a ghost, old man. It was 00:15:59.980 --> 00:16:03.799 the fly. Fear that will fasten its choking grip 00:16:03.799 --> 00:16:07.259 on you as his weird experiments spawn the twisted 00:16:07.259 --> 00:16:11.120 monstrosities of a living hell. The rat man whose 00:16:11.120 --> 00:16:14.870 hands and feet are changed to paws. The living 00:16:14.870 --> 00:16:18.509 corpse who rose from his coffin. And the return 00:16:18.509 --> 00:16:22.470 of the fly. Seeking revenge with a thousand eyes. 00:16:24.389 --> 00:16:31.809 Smashing anything that stands in his way. Suppose 00:16:31.809 --> 00:16:34.629 he does come here. What if Philippe does not 00:16:34.629 --> 00:16:38.049 have the mind of a human? But the murderous brain 00:16:38.049 --> 00:16:40.429 of the fly. Then he will have to be destroyed. 00:17:03.260 --> 00:17:15.529 The terror shock that can't be stopped. You're 00:17:15.529 --> 00:17:19.630 not God. You're not even human. You murdered 00:17:19.630 --> 00:17:22.509 those men and you made me a murderer too. Weird 00:17:22.509 --> 00:17:25.630 experiments about cursed scientists turn human 00:17:25.630 --> 00:17:30.349 beings into living hybrid hell monsters. Now 00:17:30.349 --> 00:17:36.630 you hold hands with the devil. Now you run. Run 00:17:36.630 --> 00:17:41.490 for your life from the terror. The torment of 00:17:41.490 --> 00:17:45.490 torture inflicted by Satan's ambassador of evil. 00:17:50.809 --> 00:17:56.650 The next victim could be you. Or you. Or you. 00:17:57.650 --> 00:18:05.710 Caught forever by the Curse of the Fly. Return 00:18:05.710 --> 00:18:09.480 of the Fly from 1959. Now, why don't I start 00:18:09.480 --> 00:18:12.900 with The Fly from 58? Well, me and Matt actually 00:18:12.900 --> 00:18:16.359 recorded a brief podcast episode on that movie 00:18:16.359 --> 00:18:20.619 back in 2021. So I recommend going back into 00:18:20.619 --> 00:18:24.059 the history books and listen to that episode 00:18:24.059 --> 00:18:26.660 when you get done with this one. But we haven't 00:18:26.660 --> 00:18:29.319 talked about any of the sequels. And of course, 00:18:29.400 --> 00:18:31.299 you know, I'm going to offer my two cents here, 00:18:31.359 --> 00:18:35.400 but not at the expense of Matt's valued input. 00:18:36.589 --> 00:18:38.589 You know, listeners, if you like what you hear 00:18:38.589 --> 00:18:41.309 just a little bit here, let us know if you want 00:18:41.309 --> 00:18:43.349 some full episodes on these bad boys, because 00:18:43.349 --> 00:18:47.210 trust me, we're happy to oblige. But Return of 00:18:47.210 --> 00:18:51.490 the Fly from 1959. As I write on Camp Kaiju's 00:18:51.490 --> 00:18:55.609 Letterboxd, it is an effective sequel that continues 00:18:55.609 --> 00:18:58.990 the storyline of the Delambre family, whereby 00:18:58.990 --> 00:19:01.849 the son follows in the doomed footsteps of his 00:19:01.849 --> 00:19:05.470 scientifically ambitious father. The fact that 00:19:05.470 --> 00:19:08.430 the son is destined for Flyville is no surprise, 00:19:08.769 --> 00:19:11.869 but how he gets there offers enough unexpected 00:19:11.869 --> 00:19:15.710 thrills. The crime elements of the film are tightly 00:19:15.710 --> 00:19:19.470 directed and compellingly played. Vincent Price 00:19:19.470 --> 00:19:22.789 keeps it straight, and Brett Halsey as Philippe 00:19:22.789 --> 00:19:27.329 is a dynamic screen presence. By the end, however, 00:19:27.509 --> 00:19:30.109 this drama lurches into camp with the revelation 00:19:30.109 --> 00:19:33.990 of the fly. It's almost impossible not to with 00:19:33.990 --> 00:19:38.190 makeup costume limitations as they were. Folks, 00:19:38.230 --> 00:19:40.950 even the first fly, acclaimed as it is, features 00:19:40.950 --> 00:19:45.589 some unintentional humor. Nevertheless, it's 00:19:45.589 --> 00:19:48.869 a giddy romp through the woods. Oh, and this 00:19:48.869 --> 00:19:51.990 is a spoiler. And the hamster with hands will 00:19:51.990 --> 00:19:57.589 live in your nightmares rent free. Oh, overall, 00:19:57.869 --> 00:20:01.259 Return of the Fly plays it safe. but manages 00:20:01.259 --> 00:20:04.880 to deliver some intrigue, shock, and charm along 00:20:04.880 --> 00:20:08.559 the way. Hamster with hands, y 'all. That's all 00:20:08.559 --> 00:20:15.180 I have to say. A really bizarre moment of surrealist 00:20:15.180 --> 00:20:19.240 horror. Like, it's weird and wild. I didn't expect 00:20:19.240 --> 00:20:23.819 it in a black -and -white 50s ostensibly B -movie, 00:20:23.900 --> 00:20:27.619 but there it is. Return of the Fly. Check it 00:20:27.619 --> 00:20:31.470 out. And then for the really ambitious of you, 00:20:31.569 --> 00:20:37.210 it just calls for a double feature with 1965's 00:20:37.210 --> 00:20:40.069 Curse of the Fly. Now, this one does contain 00:20:40.069 --> 00:20:43.630 spoilers, so feel free to fast forward a couple 00:20:43.630 --> 00:20:48.009 minutes here. But here we go. Now, the lack of 00:20:48.009 --> 00:20:51.410 flies in Curse of the Fly isn't necessarily the 00:20:51.410 --> 00:20:55.470 problem, but the advertising that sells fly mayhem 00:20:55.470 --> 00:20:59.509 to no avail. The movie seems to build up to the 00:20:59.509 --> 00:21:02.529 unexpected show -stopping moment of science gone 00:21:02.529 --> 00:21:08.089 wrong until... nothing. Literally, the protagonist 00:21:08.089 --> 00:21:11.230 fades away and you're left feeling the same about 00:21:11.230 --> 00:21:15.329 this movie. Still, there are several sequences 00:21:15.329 --> 00:21:18.849 worth highlighting. The eerie opening is an effective 00:21:18.849 --> 00:21:22.549 hook. Perhaps the film peaks too soon with this. 00:21:23.529 --> 00:21:25.890 The reveal that Father has been lost in space 00:21:25.890 --> 00:21:29.950 is horrifying, and the body horror of two men 00:21:29.950 --> 00:21:33.029 being spliced together foreshadows Cronenberg's 00:21:33.029 --> 00:21:36.309 later take on the material and so much other 00:21:36.309 --> 00:21:41.049 80s body horror. Overall, however, Curse of the 00:21:41.049 --> 00:21:43.910 Fly seems so willing to set itself apart from 00:21:43.910 --> 00:21:47.349 its predecessors that it fails to deliver a worthy 00:21:47.349 --> 00:21:51.970 sequel, much less a standalone feature. Now, 00:21:51.970 --> 00:21:55.529 before I get to Fly 2 from 1989, I got to say 00:21:55.529 --> 00:21:57.609 Return of the Fly and Curse of the Fly, they 00:21:57.609 --> 00:22:01.109 offer up legitimate body horror at a time period 00:22:01.109 --> 00:22:04.890 where I am not used to seeing such effects. Curse 00:22:04.890 --> 00:22:08.930 of the Fly in particular, there is a puppet. 00:22:10.329 --> 00:22:12.690 It's not an animatronic. I'm sure it's done with 00:22:12.690 --> 00:22:15.630 like air pumps and valves, but there's some sort 00:22:15.630 --> 00:22:21.990 of prop. That is two male human naked bodies 00:22:21.990 --> 00:22:27.930 conjoined. Something you'd way more expect to 00:22:27.930 --> 00:22:30.509 see in the 80s, right? Like with Carpenter's 00:22:30.509 --> 00:22:34.609 The Thing or Cronenberg's films. And the fact 00:22:34.609 --> 00:22:37.049 that you're seeing it in this 60s black and white 00:22:37.049 --> 00:22:42.690 cheapo B movie, I think is ahead of its time. 00:22:42.789 --> 00:22:44.910 And whatever faults I have with Curse of the 00:22:44.910 --> 00:22:48.039 Fly and even Return of the Fly. The fact that 00:22:48.039 --> 00:22:52.240 you're seeing truly unsettling visual effects, 00:22:52.519 --> 00:22:57.099 it's worth the price of admission. So if you 00:22:57.099 --> 00:22:59.460 can, please rent Curse of the Fly and Return 00:22:59.460 --> 00:23:02.039 of the Fly. My personal preference is Return 00:23:02.039 --> 00:23:06.079 of the Fly, a more faithful, straightforward 00:23:06.079 --> 00:23:11.460 sequel to the fly that continues the story. Curse 00:23:11.460 --> 00:23:14.400 of the Fly is a bit controversial in that regard. 00:23:16.240 --> 00:23:19.059 Everyone seems to have an opinion on it, so I'd 00:23:19.059 --> 00:23:23.539 love to hear yours. But let's find my letterboxd 00:23:23.539 --> 00:23:28.660 take on The Fly 2 from 1989. So this follow -up 00:23:28.660 --> 00:23:32.000 to Cronenberg's preceding masterpiece self -assuredly 00:23:32.000 --> 00:23:34.920 goes its own route, leaning into more action 00:23:34.920 --> 00:23:38.359 and less idiosyncrasies. After all, we have already 00:23:38.359 --> 00:23:41.059 seen the gruesome transformation of man into 00:23:41.059 --> 00:23:46.039 Rundlefly. Rather, Fly 2 offers up imagery involving 00:23:46.039 --> 00:23:49.400 cocoon sacks and a bipedal monster more like 00:23:49.400 --> 00:23:52.099 Jurassic Park's Velociraptor than the fly monster 00:23:52.099 --> 00:23:55.660 from before. All of this is brought to life with 00:23:55.660 --> 00:23:59.759 impressive special effects. Where the film suffers 00:23:59.759 --> 00:24:03.960 is the overtness of it all. Actors play sad, 00:24:04.240 --> 00:24:07.519 angry, scared. It's difficult to explain, but 00:24:07.519 --> 00:24:10.539 compelling acting is all about less, not more. 00:24:12.319 --> 00:24:15.500 Additionally, The script is laughably ham -fisted 00:24:15.500 --> 00:24:18.319 in moments as the screenwriter clumsily fills 00:24:18.319 --> 00:24:22.279 in exposition. These deficiencies eliminate any 00:24:22.279 --> 00:24:24.440 emotional connection to the life and death stakes 00:24:24.440 --> 00:24:28.619 of the characters. Overall, without its famous 00:24:28.619 --> 00:24:32.880 pedigree, I fear Fly 2 would be borderline forgettable, 00:24:32.980 --> 00:24:36.440 lost in the milieu of 80s effects -driven horror 00:24:36.440 --> 00:24:41.160 films. However, as an entry in one of the strangest 00:24:41.160 --> 00:24:45.740 franchises out there, it's a worthy addition. 00:24:46.000 --> 00:24:49.460 It's a worthy addition. How would I rank the 00:24:49.460 --> 00:24:52.500 flies? I mean, there's five of them. I guess 00:24:52.500 --> 00:24:57.059 I'd go Cronenberg's fly, the 58 fly, Return of 00:24:57.059 --> 00:25:01.579 the Fly. I think I gotta go Fly 2 and then Curse 00:25:01.579 --> 00:25:06.319 of the Fly. But those bottom two, I could mix 00:25:06.319 --> 00:25:08.920 and match. Now, not that any of these movies 00:25:08.920 --> 00:25:12.359 are unwatchable. even curse curse the fly and 00:25:12.359 --> 00:25:15.119 the fly to have their moments like i said um 00:25:15.119 --> 00:25:17.059 they're worth checking out again just for the 00:25:17.059 --> 00:25:21.740 conversation and and to think about maybe what 00:25:21.740 --> 00:25:25.519 could have been what what turns and twists could 00:25:25.519 --> 00:25:28.839 have been better um but they're not boring by 00:25:28.839 --> 00:25:32.380 any means so definitely definitely worth a watch 00:25:32.380 --> 00:25:38.930 um in in current monster movie news You know, 00:25:38.970 --> 00:25:42.230 if you Google new fly movie, of course there's 00:25:42.230 --> 00:25:46.650 something kind of in the works. From 20th Century 00:25:46.650 --> 00:25:52.430 Studios, Nikiatu Jusu, apologies if I'm mispronouncing 00:25:52.430 --> 00:25:55.390 that, but Nikiatu Jusu is a writer -director, 00:25:55.490 --> 00:26:00.990 and she's developing a new fly based on Cronenberg's 00:26:00.990 --> 00:26:05.910 edition. Now, this is reportedly not a sequel. 00:26:07.900 --> 00:26:12.279 but also not a remake, maybe its own interpretation 00:26:12.279 --> 00:26:15.940 of the film. Oh, I don't know. I'm looking at 00:26:15.940 --> 00:26:19.839 an article from deadline right now from November, 00:26:19.980 --> 00:26:25.420 2024. Um, it says the film's plot is under wraps. 00:26:26.140 --> 00:26:32.579 Um, however it is, it is again from Jusu. Who's 00:26:32.579 --> 00:26:36.200 one of a closely watched genre filmmaker. She, 00:26:37.140 --> 00:26:39.859 Directed a horror film called Nanny that debuted 00:26:39.859 --> 00:26:44.859 at Sundance not too long ago. She is working 00:26:44.859 --> 00:26:50.240 for Monkey Paw and Universal and seems to be 00:26:50.240 --> 00:26:54.099 dipping her toes into a lot of horror themed 00:26:54.099 --> 00:26:58.140 films. So I don't know. I mean, I am I would 00:26:58.140 --> 00:27:01.700 love to see new fly movies. It's been a while. 00:27:01.880 --> 00:27:06.099 I think this film. And this series are ripe for 00:27:06.099 --> 00:27:09.759 interpretation. You know, science versus nature, 00:27:09.940 --> 00:27:13.839 humanity versus corporations. There's a lot of 00:27:13.839 --> 00:27:16.160 critique of capitalism in these movies and the 00:27:16.160 --> 00:27:19.099 pursuit of knowledge for wealth's sake rather 00:27:19.099 --> 00:27:23.380 than maybe the betterment of society. But then 00:27:23.380 --> 00:27:26.720 you get really campy aspects like teleportation 00:27:26.720 --> 00:27:32.910 and little insects with human faces that... honestly 00:27:32.910 --> 00:27:38.190 are so weird um truly the stuff of nightmares 00:27:38.190 --> 00:27:42.309 so if you've only ever seen one fly movie there's 00:27:42.309 --> 00:27:45.470 so much more for you to dig into i'm excited 00:27:45.470 --> 00:27:49.029 for you i'm excited for this journey um i want 00:27:49.029 --> 00:27:52.410 to talk about it so yeah that's where i'm going 00:27:52.410 --> 00:27:57.509 to leave this little intro to to this re -release 00:27:57.509 --> 00:28:01.220 of me and matt's previous conversation So thanks 00:28:01.220 --> 00:28:04.519 for sticking it out. Enjoy the content. Let us 00:28:04.519 --> 00:28:06.700 know what you think. So until next time, when 00:28:06.700 --> 00:28:09.460 we come at you with The Island of Dr. Moreau, 00:28:09.500 --> 00:28:18.359 what else can I say but stay campy? Listen. Do 00:28:18.359 --> 00:28:27.240 you hear it? It's getting closer. Much closer. 00:28:30.829 --> 00:28:40.109 Don't be afraid. Be very, very afraid. You can 00:28:40.109 --> 00:28:41.990 finish your father's work. You're as brilliant 00:28:41.990 --> 00:28:47.230 as he was. Something odd is happening to me and 00:28:47.230 --> 00:28:56.150 I don't know what it is. I'm getting worse. I'm 00:28:56.150 --> 00:29:07.099 getting better. The Fly 2. Like father, like 00:29:07.099 --> 00:29:19.819 son. Hello and welcome to Camp Kaiju Monster 00:29:19.819 --> 00:29:26.119 Movie Talk. Tonight we are going live to discuss 00:29:26.119 --> 00:29:29.359 the next installment of our September series 00:29:29.359 --> 00:29:34.119 for The Love of Craft. Looking at not just Lovecraft 00:29:34.119 --> 00:29:37.839 adaptations, but movies that still kind of play 00:29:37.839 --> 00:29:42.039 in that same lane of not just cosmic horror, 00:29:42.220 --> 00:29:46.640 but maybe science gone awry. At the very most, 00:29:46.740 --> 00:29:49.900 it's a wide umbrella, this series is just looking 00:29:49.900 --> 00:29:55.240 at practical effects and, you know, the love 00:29:55.240 --> 00:29:58.119 people have for their craft. So tonight we have 00:29:58.119 --> 00:30:00.500 a very special guest, a buddy of mine, a film. 00:30:01.680 --> 00:30:04.519 critic, aficionado, essayist. His name is Matt 00:30:04.519 --> 00:30:07.279 Levine, and I'll be bringing him on here in just 00:30:07.279 --> 00:30:11.019 a second to discuss David Cronenberg's The Fly. 00:30:12.599 --> 00:30:21.279 Here we go. All right, we will just... There 00:30:21.279 --> 00:30:23.680 he is. How you doing, Matt? Good, how are you? 00:30:24.339 --> 00:30:27.119 Awesome. Good. So glad you're here. Yeah, thank 00:30:27.119 --> 00:30:29.279 you. It's good to be here. I love your background. 00:30:29.819 --> 00:30:32.380 It looks rather spooky. Yeah, that's what I was 00:30:32.380 --> 00:30:34.660 going for. This is our front porch in our house, 00:30:34.680 --> 00:30:36.700 and we're excited to start decorating it for 00:30:36.700 --> 00:30:39.240 Halloween. So it's almost that time of year. 00:30:39.359 --> 00:30:41.960 You don't have to do much to decorate. Indeed. 00:30:42.220 --> 00:30:45.539 Yeah. Our favorite part of the house. No offense. 00:30:46.400 --> 00:30:51.579 I am itching to start decorating for the season. 00:30:52.569 --> 00:30:54.990 Yeah, my favorite time of year is the best holiday. 00:30:55.250 --> 00:30:57.609 I mean, a good excuse to watch at least one horror 00:30:57.609 --> 00:31:00.470 movie a day. So I'm so excited. It's almost October. 00:31:01.750 --> 00:31:06.029 So I went to the library today where I checked 00:31:06.029 --> 00:31:10.029 out a whole bunch of classic, like, black and 00:31:10.029 --> 00:31:11.670 white horror movies that I've never seen before. 00:31:12.609 --> 00:31:15.809 And, well, I wanted to run them by you and get 00:31:15.809 --> 00:31:21.279 your gut reactions. I'm excited. Okay. Actually, 00:31:21.279 --> 00:31:23.539 this one I have seen before. We have talked about. 00:31:25.640 --> 00:31:29.779 Cat People. So good. It's a masterpiece of suggestion. 00:31:30.119 --> 00:31:31.859 And Jacques Tourneur is one of the best like 00:31:31.859 --> 00:31:35.240 visual stylists of classical Hollywood horror. 00:31:35.460 --> 00:31:37.859 It's so good. And, you know, I think like what 00:31:37.859 --> 00:31:40.259 it gets at in terms of sexuality and sort of 00:31:40.259 --> 00:31:42.480 like the danger, but also the excitement of it. 00:31:43.630 --> 00:31:45.410 It's so great and goes a little bit over the 00:31:45.410 --> 00:31:47.450 top in the Paul Schrader remakes in the 80s, 00:31:47.470 --> 00:31:50.309 which also must be seen to be believed. But yeah, 00:31:50.410 --> 00:31:54.049 Cat People is such a good movie. Awesome. A little 00:31:54.049 --> 00:31:56.829 sneak peek for people watching. I want to, in 00:31:56.829 --> 00:32:00.430 October, I want to do a series about classic 00:32:00.430 --> 00:32:04.109 black and white monster movies. And Matt, I wanted 00:32:04.109 --> 00:32:07.509 to ask you, I would love to chat with you about 00:32:07.509 --> 00:32:11.329 this movie, but also its sequel, The Curse of 00:32:11.329 --> 00:32:13.539 the Cat People. Which I don't know if you've 00:32:13.539 --> 00:32:17.539 seen, but I'm interested in that too. That's 00:32:17.539 --> 00:32:20.880 an awesome movie. It's a sequel in name only. 00:32:21.519 --> 00:32:23.400 In fact, they were sort of trying to capitalize 00:32:23.400 --> 00:32:25.539 on the success of Cat People. So they sort of 00:32:25.539 --> 00:32:28.500 brought in that appeal. But the story doesn't 00:32:28.500 --> 00:32:30.079 really have anything to do with the first film. 00:32:30.339 --> 00:32:32.720 It's kind of a little bit more about parenthood 00:32:32.720 --> 00:32:36.000 and like childlike imagination. And yeah, it's 00:32:36.000 --> 00:32:39.579 really, really great. I'll talk to you about 00:32:39.579 --> 00:32:42.710 it. Well, yeah, let's make a plan. So my next 00:32:42.710 --> 00:32:47.650 movie is the aforementioned remake of Cat People. 00:32:48.529 --> 00:32:54.230 It's like we planned it, but we didn't. My expectations 00:32:54.230 --> 00:32:59.049 for this are low, but I'm going to give it a 00:32:59.049 --> 00:33:02.410 whirl at some point. Yeah, and I wouldn't say 00:33:02.410 --> 00:33:04.309 that your expectations should be low necessarily. 00:33:04.730 --> 00:33:08.089 It's a really gorgeously beautiful movie. Really 00:33:08.089 --> 00:33:10.329 great score. There are some David Bowie songs, 00:33:10.490 --> 00:33:12.190 at least one David Bowie song on the soundtrack. 00:33:13.289 --> 00:33:16.430 Nastassja Kinski is really great. Yeah, it's 00:33:16.430 --> 00:33:18.609 way over the top. It's really ridiculous. But 00:33:18.609 --> 00:33:21.589 no, sometimes that can only improve a movie. 00:33:21.970 --> 00:33:25.769 All right. So maybe high on the camp factor with 00:33:25.769 --> 00:33:28.369 that one. Yeah, a certain kind of camp for sure. 00:33:29.930 --> 00:33:35.910 Here is a movie related to tonight. The 1950s 00:33:35.910 --> 00:33:39.720 Fly. With Vincent Price. When have you seen this 00:33:39.720 --> 00:33:43.579 one? It's been a long time. Probably about 15 00:33:43.579 --> 00:33:46.640 years now. And to date myself a little bit, that 00:33:46.640 --> 00:33:48.319 was like one of my first years in college as 00:33:48.319 --> 00:33:50.420 an undergrad. So it's been a while. Probably 00:33:50.420 --> 00:33:51.980 should have rewatched it for this conversation. 00:33:52.279 --> 00:33:55.059 But, you know, it's a little heavier on the cam 00:33:55.059 --> 00:33:57.700 for sure. Yeah. Certainly in relation to the 00:33:57.700 --> 00:33:59.859 David Cronenberg version. But you got to love 00:33:59.859 --> 00:34:02.140 it. I mean, if you're a fan of 50s horror. Yeah. 00:34:02.200 --> 00:34:04.140 I haven't seen it since I was a kid. So I'm excited 00:34:04.140 --> 00:34:07.339 to watch that one. Another Vincent Price movie. 00:34:07.500 --> 00:34:10.099 I kind of went on a Vincent Price deep dive here. 00:34:10.239 --> 00:34:13.159 I have The Tingler, which I know is a cult classic 00:34:13.159 --> 00:34:17.000 from the 50s. It just looks and sounds gross. 00:34:18.539 --> 00:34:21.360 You can't go wrong with that title. I don't. 00:34:21.360 --> 00:34:24.639 And it's like an earwig. I don't know. It looks 00:34:24.639 --> 00:34:27.340 gross. I think I haven't seen that one since 00:34:27.340 --> 00:34:29.019 high school. So that's been even longer. But 00:34:29.019 --> 00:34:32.940 that's really good. In this one, Vincent Price 00:34:32.940 --> 00:34:35.860 is a very small part, early role. It's called 00:34:35.860 --> 00:34:39.460 The Tower of London with Basil Rathbone and Boris 00:34:39.460 --> 00:34:45.260 Karloff from 1939, I think. I don't know. Looks 00:34:45.260 --> 00:34:51.260 creepy and dark atmosphere. Speaking of dark 00:34:51.260 --> 00:34:55.739 houses, I have The Old Dark House. Love that 00:34:55.739 --> 00:34:58.460 movie. Do you? I've wanted to see this for a 00:34:58.460 --> 00:35:02.199 long time. It's so good. James Whale, one of 00:35:02.199 --> 00:35:05.289 my favorite old school horror directors. Yeah. 00:35:05.349 --> 00:35:06.929 And sort of like Bride of Frankenstein, the old 00:35:06.929 --> 00:35:09.130 dark house is a great mixture of comedy and horror. 00:35:09.570 --> 00:35:11.449 It's really short. It's like an hour and five 00:35:11.449 --> 00:35:15.829 minutes. So, so good. It's really good. I might 00:35:15.829 --> 00:35:18.989 flip it off on that. Yeah. I mean, anytime you 00:35:18.989 --> 00:35:22.869 want to come over, like let's watch them. I we'll 00:35:22.869 --> 00:35:25.750 get to the fly. Yeah. I've just been, I've always 00:35:25.750 --> 00:35:29.530 wanted to see like the thirties type horror movies 00:35:29.530 --> 00:35:33.840 outside of the classic monsters. The Old Dark 00:35:33.840 --> 00:35:38.940 House or Freaks or The Black Cat, I think. Yeah. 00:35:39.239 --> 00:35:42.659 Yeah. Yeah, for sure. There's some good stuff. 00:35:43.360 --> 00:35:46.159 White Zombie is really good. Yeah, I want to 00:35:46.159 --> 00:35:49.179 see that. That one's great. Dr. X, I just watched 00:35:49.179 --> 00:35:52.179 recently. That's a really strange movie because 00:35:52.179 --> 00:35:54.599 it had like a three strip Technicolor process 00:35:54.599 --> 00:35:57.369 that was like. used way back in the day and then 00:35:57.369 --> 00:35:59.429 they stopped using it in the early 30s so it's 00:35:59.429 --> 00:36:02.090 like a very old color movie that has this weird 00:36:02.090 --> 00:36:04.349 surreal look where all the colors are sort of 00:36:04.349 --> 00:36:07.170 faded and sort of dreamlike that's a really cool 00:36:07.170 --> 00:36:10.550 movie yeah so i was only limited by what the 00:36:10.550 --> 00:36:13.769 library had i can stream all these but i was 00:36:13.769 --> 00:36:15.730 i yeah i checked out like too many movies from 00:36:15.730 --> 00:36:20.710 the library so the fly to turn our attention 00:36:20.710 --> 00:36:26.599 to an 80s remake of a 50s classic Just a quick 00:36:26.599 --> 00:36:31.260 little summary on Letterboxd. The tagline, first 00:36:31.260 --> 00:36:34.099 of all, is be afraid, be very afraid, which I 00:36:34.099 --> 00:36:37.199 didn't know was from this movie. That's just 00:36:37.199 --> 00:36:39.559 one of those lines that I didn't know where it 00:36:39.559 --> 00:36:44.079 came from. So it goes, when Seth Brundle makes 00:36:44.079 --> 00:36:46.880 a huge scientific and technological breakthrough 00:36:46.880 --> 00:36:50.820 in teleportation, he decides to test it on himself. 00:36:51.980 --> 00:36:54.780 Unbeknownst to him. A common housefly manages 00:36:54.780 --> 00:36:58.139 to get inside the device and the two become one. 00:37:00.119 --> 00:37:06.420 That's about it. That's it in a pod. It's accurate 00:37:06.420 --> 00:37:09.219 and yet does not convey the full freakish extent 00:37:09.219 --> 00:37:13.800 of the movie. So we're going to talk about the 00:37:13.800 --> 00:37:16.280 good, the bad, and the downright campy when it 00:37:16.280 --> 00:37:19.860 comes to this film. We'll start with the good, 00:37:19.880 --> 00:37:24.719 because why not? Well, actually, one of the good 00:37:24.719 --> 00:37:27.619 notes I had about this movie is related to what 00:37:27.619 --> 00:37:30.699 you just said about, like, it tells you exactly 00:37:30.699 --> 00:37:32.820 what that is, but at the same time, nothing. 00:37:33.239 --> 00:37:35.679 I found a lot of the suspense with this movie 00:37:35.679 --> 00:37:39.119 came because I knew exactly what was going to 00:37:39.119 --> 00:37:41.940 happen. I knew he was going to turn into a fly. 00:37:43.380 --> 00:37:46.820 But how it got us there kept me on my toes the 00:37:46.820 --> 00:37:51.679 whole time. Yeah, absolutely. I think... To me, 00:37:51.679 --> 00:37:56.139 this movie is 96 % good. This is one of my favorite 00:37:56.139 --> 00:37:57.900 horror movies and my favorite David Cronenberg 00:37:57.900 --> 00:37:59.820 movie, so I think it's almost entirely good. 00:38:00.500 --> 00:38:03.900 Almost no movie is perfect, but this movie is 00:38:03.900 --> 00:38:07.719 so ambitious. It's a good example of why horror 00:38:07.719 --> 00:38:10.559 is my favorite genre, because that storyline 00:38:10.559 --> 00:38:16.489 that you just said is... You know, it scratches 00:38:16.489 --> 00:38:18.469 the surface of what this movie is sort of trying 00:38:18.469 --> 00:38:20.329 to get at in terms of, like, what is a human 00:38:20.329 --> 00:38:22.329 being and, like, where does the human body end 00:38:22.329 --> 00:38:25.170 and, like, other bodies begin. And that's body 00:38:25.170 --> 00:38:26.690 in, like, many different senses of the word. 00:38:27.250 --> 00:38:29.550 Animal bodies or, like, machine bodies and things 00:38:29.550 --> 00:38:33.269 like that. I think it's about disease. I think 00:38:33.269 --> 00:38:37.269 it's about, you know, like, humanity's sort of 00:38:37.269 --> 00:38:39.090 desire to be better and that sort of destroys 00:38:39.090 --> 00:38:41.849 them in the end. It's a really sad movie, but 00:38:41.849 --> 00:38:43.750 also really disgusting and gory. And that's kind 00:38:43.750 --> 00:38:46.710 of a perfect combination, I think. It was doing 00:38:46.710 --> 00:38:50.650 quite a number on my heartstrings. It was super 00:38:50.650 --> 00:38:54.670 sad, but then really wretched and vile at the 00:38:54.670 --> 00:38:58.909 same time. Yeah. The best. My favorite combination. 00:38:59.349 --> 00:39:04.849 Yeah. It has a ton of heart. Really sincere. 00:39:06.510 --> 00:39:10.190 The love story is sincere. I totally buy that 00:39:10.190 --> 00:39:16.329 between Geena Davis and Jeff Goldblum. The big 00:39:16.329 --> 00:39:20.469 thing I love about it is how it's not a simple 00:39:20.469 --> 00:39:24.409 movie by any means, but I felt like the performances 00:39:24.409 --> 00:39:27.789 and the direction were so incredibly understated 00:39:27.789 --> 00:39:33.989 that it sold all the absurdity that's really 00:39:33.989 --> 00:39:37.829 happening. But you buy it because of the understated 00:39:37.829 --> 00:39:41.360 way it's all being delivered. Yeah, absolutely. 00:39:42.059 --> 00:39:44.400 With such a ridiculous premise, it's kind of 00:39:44.400 --> 00:39:46.000 amazing that they pulled that off. But right. 00:39:46.519 --> 00:39:49.159 Yeah, I think it is kind of rooted in, you know, 00:39:49.159 --> 00:39:51.119 sort of human motivations or feelings or whatever, 00:39:51.260 --> 00:39:54.199 because, you know, like, I think ambition, again, 00:39:54.280 --> 00:39:56.519 is, you know, hubris, whatever, like, if you 00:39:56.519 --> 00:39:59.039 want to, the old school literary term, like, 00:39:59.039 --> 00:40:02.199 you know, Jeff Goldblum, like wants to create 00:40:02.199 --> 00:40:05.440 this earth shattering. that will change science 00:40:05.440 --> 00:40:07.199 and change the world as we know it. And Geena 00:40:07.199 --> 00:40:09.420 Davis is a journalist who wants to, you know, 00:40:09.420 --> 00:40:12.920 be in on this huge story. And again, like ultimately 00:40:12.920 --> 00:40:14.739 that does destroy them, which probably isn't 00:40:14.739 --> 00:40:17.340 a surprise to anybody who knows anything about 00:40:17.340 --> 00:40:20.320 the movie. But yeah, I think that's really relatable. 00:40:20.460 --> 00:40:21.880 And like the fact that they sort of just like 00:40:21.880 --> 00:40:24.199 stumble into this together and do very quickly 00:40:24.199 --> 00:40:26.900 sort of, you know, develop feelings for each 00:40:26.900 --> 00:40:28.579 other, probably because of like partially because 00:40:28.579 --> 00:40:31.360 of their shared. ambition and their like desire 00:40:31.360 --> 00:40:33.519 to like sort of make an impact with their lives 00:40:33.519 --> 00:40:36.679 and then it all goes horribly awry um yeah you're 00:40:36.679 --> 00:40:39.820 absolutely right it makes it um way more you 00:40:39.820 --> 00:40:42.940 know relatable and engrossing than uh you know 00:40:42.940 --> 00:40:46.280 most viewers probably would expect yeah and especially 00:40:46.280 --> 00:40:50.639 because it is um it is it at it at its like at 00:40:50.639 --> 00:40:53.699 its roots the roots of this film is a b movie 00:40:53.699 --> 00:40:58.659 and like that's part of the fun i think too when 00:40:58.659 --> 00:41:04.489 you When you are familiar with B -movies from 00:41:04.489 --> 00:41:10.909 the 50s and you're confronted with a real auteur 00:41:10.909 --> 00:41:15.210 film like The Fly, it's still fun to see where 00:41:15.210 --> 00:41:20.630 even a movie as well thought out as this is still 00:41:20.630 --> 00:41:25.309 leaning into the tropes and still camouflaging 00:41:25.309 --> 00:41:29.030 the tropes in something very artistic. If that 00:41:29.030 --> 00:41:32.309 makes sense. Yeah, I think you're totally right. 00:41:32.409 --> 00:41:34.849 Yeah. And it's like the tagline, I think is kind 00:41:34.849 --> 00:41:37.110 of a good example of that because the moment 00:41:37.110 --> 00:41:39.429 that it's spoken by Geeta Davis, when she says, 00:41:39.449 --> 00:41:41.650 be afraid, be very afraid, it's sort of out of 00:41:41.650 --> 00:41:43.550 place. Like it's a pretty intense scene and you 00:41:43.550 --> 00:41:45.869 don't really expect it, but it like, it's sort 00:41:45.869 --> 00:41:48.949 of comedic and it like alleviates the tension 00:41:48.949 --> 00:41:51.289 a little bit, you know, it's perfect. That's 00:41:51.289 --> 00:41:52.929 like one of the best examples of that combination, 00:41:52.949 --> 00:41:55.389 I think. Right. And the fact that we are dealing 00:41:55.389 --> 00:41:59.190 with a mad scientist. I mean, he gets there when 00:41:59.190 --> 00:42:03.610 the fly genome is affecting him. He is a mad 00:42:03.610 --> 00:42:08.949 scientist. They're so great. I comment on this 00:42:08.949 --> 00:42:12.130 on 50s science fiction movies all the time. There's 00:42:12.130 --> 00:42:15.530 always a scene where the scientist just says 00:42:15.530 --> 00:42:19.969 a bunch of mumbo jumbo that you just buy it because 00:42:19.969 --> 00:42:24.130 the story needs you to buy it. And it's like, 00:42:24.170 --> 00:42:26.820 great, that explains it. And there was a part 00:42:26.820 --> 00:42:29.219 where Jeff Goldblum said some mumbo jumbo and, 00:42:29.280 --> 00:42:34.239 okay, great. We're on this train. Yeah. You know, 00:42:34.239 --> 00:42:36.380 I've always been a strong supporter that a little 00:42:36.380 --> 00:42:38.679 bit or a lot of suspension of disbelief is the 00:42:38.679 --> 00:42:40.500 best way to approach any movie. So I'm definitely 00:42:40.500 --> 00:42:42.659 okay with it. Yeah, I'm okay with it too. It 00:42:42.659 --> 00:42:45.639 was awesome. It's pretty cool too to see the 00:42:45.639 --> 00:42:48.320 old school technology in this movie from 1986. 00:42:49.619 --> 00:42:53.460 The old computers and the program that he invents 00:42:53.460 --> 00:42:58.019 to fuse these different DNA sequences. It's kind 00:42:58.019 --> 00:43:02.320 of a marvel of primitive analog computer technology. 00:43:02.980 --> 00:43:07.800 That's true. Sorry. No, that's all I was going 00:43:07.800 --> 00:43:10.880 to say. It's cool to see. It's great set design 00:43:10.880 --> 00:43:12.829 and great special effects and all that. Oh, well, 00:43:12.889 --> 00:43:15.570 in terms of the set design, I think this movie 00:43:15.570 --> 00:43:20.710 is I've it's rare that I see a production design 00:43:20.710 --> 00:43:26.389 as detailed as this, like the set dressings, 00:43:26.389 --> 00:43:29.869 the costumes, the props, like everything was 00:43:29.869 --> 00:43:37.250 so meticulously intentional. Yeah. Do you have 00:43:37.250 --> 00:43:39.449 anything come to your mind? Any other any examples 00:43:39.449 --> 00:43:42.230 of that kind of stuff? uh no i definitely agree 00:43:42.230 --> 00:43:44.869 i mean i think this again goes back to what you 00:43:44.869 --> 00:43:46.869 were just talking about but his like rapid descent 00:43:46.869 --> 00:43:49.610 from like a mostly normal human being like sort 00:43:49.610 --> 00:43:51.650 of an oddball but still like quirky and like 00:43:51.650 --> 00:43:54.510 just a scientist you know like not anything really 00:43:54.510 --> 00:43:57.130 threatening or whatever uh like rapidly into 00:43:57.130 --> 00:44:00.269 like like you said mad scientist realm where 00:44:00.269 --> 00:44:04.489 his uh like he has this law loft and um i think 00:44:04.489 --> 00:44:06.070 it was shot in toronto i guess we don't know 00:44:06.070 --> 00:44:08.789 exactly where the movie is set but um But, yeah, 00:44:08.869 --> 00:44:10.750 he has this loft, which is, like, sort of run 00:44:10.750 --> 00:44:12.650 down in kind of, like, a cool, like, bohemian 00:44:12.650 --> 00:44:14.929 way at the beginning. And then, like, so rapidly, 00:44:15.010 --> 00:44:17.170 but so believably, like, it just becomes, like, 00:44:17.309 --> 00:44:20.610 a lair that's, like, filled with, like, garbage 00:44:20.610 --> 00:44:22.429 and, like, rotting meat. And then eventually, 00:44:22.489 --> 00:44:25.050 like, his own rotting body parts. And, like, 00:44:25.110 --> 00:44:27.190 it gets more and more gross, you know? Like, 00:44:27.190 --> 00:44:31.769 perfectly done, yeah. It's a total horror nightmare 00:44:31.769 --> 00:44:34.710 setting. Yeah. You could believe that, like, 00:44:34.730 --> 00:44:38.880 Michael Myers is in that warehouse. Yeah, it's 00:44:38.880 --> 00:44:42.340 awesome. Yeah, I was going to comment on the 00:44:42.340 --> 00:44:45.599 same in the same vein, like the costuming also 00:44:45.599 --> 00:44:50.780 clearly like tracks the character development 00:44:50.780 --> 00:44:54.340 just through the costuming. There's a part where 00:44:54.340 --> 00:44:56.940 he's wearing a bomber jacket like this. And I 00:44:56.940 --> 00:44:59.679 was like, oh, because he's a fly because he's 00:44:59.679 --> 00:45:03.820 flying. I don't know if I'm reading into it, 00:45:03.880 --> 00:45:07.650 but I think that was intentional. Yeah, for sure. 00:45:07.750 --> 00:45:09.610 And I think just the fact, too, that he, like, 00:45:09.610 --> 00:45:11.650 wears the same clothes every day, as Geena Davis 00:45:11.650 --> 00:45:13.590 points out in the movie. And she, like, looks 00:45:13.590 --> 00:45:15.530 in his closet, and it's, like, the same blazer, 00:45:15.530 --> 00:45:17.789 the same pants that he wears, like, every single 00:45:17.789 --> 00:45:19.690 day. And then, like, throughout the course of 00:45:19.690 --> 00:45:21.889 the movie, you know, starts to break away from 00:45:21.889 --> 00:45:23.449 that, starts to, like, change up his wardrobe 00:45:23.449 --> 00:45:26.269 a little bit. Right. A sign of a sort of, like, 00:45:26.550 --> 00:45:28.349 you know, freakish confidence as he starts to 00:45:28.349 --> 00:45:30.369 get a little more strong. And then, obviously, 00:45:30.489 --> 00:45:32.550 that goes downhill from there. But, yeah, you're 00:45:32.550 --> 00:45:34.369 right. The costuming is, like, really sort of... 00:45:35.119 --> 00:45:36.980 subtle and like says a lot about the characters 00:45:36.980 --> 00:45:41.860 for sure yeah um do you want to transition into 00:45:41.860 --> 00:45:45.179 some challenging aspects some things that maybe 00:45:45.179 --> 00:45:47.579 didn't quite work for you i know this is like 00:45:47.579 --> 00:45:49.119 your favorite movie so it might be tough for 00:45:49.119 --> 00:45:51.880 you but uh what are what are some things that 00:45:51.880 --> 00:45:57.860 that kind of stand out to you uh yeah it is sort 00:45:57.860 --> 00:45:59.539 of tough for me but there there are some things 00:45:59.539 --> 00:46:01.900 for sure i guess like what i think is the strength 00:46:01.900 --> 00:46:03.639 of the movie could be seen as a flaw which is 00:46:03.639 --> 00:46:07.719 that like The narrative is like so lean and tight 00:46:07.719 --> 00:46:09.840 and concise. There's not like a single moment 00:46:09.840 --> 00:46:13.079 that's like filler or like extraneous. Like we 00:46:13.079 --> 00:46:16.079 start with Jeff Goldblum and Geena Davis meeting 00:46:16.079 --> 00:46:17.980 each other. Like that's the very first scene. 00:46:18.099 --> 00:46:20.219 And the very last scene, and not to give it away 00:46:20.219 --> 00:46:22.619 too much, but there's nowhere you can really 00:46:22.619 --> 00:46:25.519 go after that. So I guess, you know, some people 00:46:25.519 --> 00:46:27.519 could consider it sort of a criticism that it's 00:46:27.519 --> 00:46:30.699 just like, it seems simple on the surface. Like 00:46:30.699 --> 00:46:32.579 it really is just like the story of a man turning 00:46:32.579 --> 00:46:36.179 into a fly, basically. incorrect i think there's 00:46:36.179 --> 00:46:38.599 so many sort of subtexts built into that plot 00:46:38.599 --> 00:46:41.900 but uh so i guess maybe that doesn't count i 00:46:41.900 --> 00:46:44.900 think like maybe a more valid criticism is uh 00:46:44.900 --> 00:46:47.639 the question of is david cronenberg a misogynist 00:46:47.639 --> 00:46:50.280 or a sexist filmmaker i think in some other of 00:46:50.280 --> 00:46:52.519 his movies that does like in the brood for example 00:46:52.519 --> 00:46:54.639 like he wrote and directed that movie when he 00:46:54.639 --> 00:46:56.820 was going through a bad divorce and like that 00:46:56.820 --> 00:46:59.639 movie sort of is about like an angry ex -wife 00:46:59.639 --> 00:47:01.690 who creates like a spawn of hellish children 00:47:01.690 --> 00:47:04.849 so i i do think that that accusation holds up 00:47:04.849 --> 00:47:07.469 with the brood and in the fly there's like the 00:47:07.469 --> 00:47:10.170 nightmare sequence where gina davis gives birth 00:47:10.170 --> 00:47:14.130 to like a huge maggot um and it depends which 00:47:14.130 --> 00:47:17.510 is pretty disgusting i like it obviously it depends 00:47:17.510 --> 00:47:19.130 on how you read that like i think it could be 00:47:19.130 --> 00:47:22.489 read as sort of like uh you know like motherhood 00:47:22.489 --> 00:47:25.269 motherhood and childbirth is disgusting or i 00:47:25.269 --> 00:47:26.849 don't think that's accurate i think the way it 00:47:26.849 --> 00:47:30.119 could be right is that weirdly enough, it's kind 00:47:30.119 --> 00:47:32.500 of a metaphor for abortion. The fact that it's 00:47:32.500 --> 00:47:34.159 kind of like a weirdly approach choice movie 00:47:34.159 --> 00:47:37.300 unexpectedly because she needs to abort her baby. 00:47:37.360 --> 00:47:39.519 She knows that it's sort of dangerous for her. 00:47:39.739 --> 00:47:42.440 And there's a lot of sympathy for her in those 00:47:42.440 --> 00:47:45.099 scenes. So I read about the fly that sort of 00:47:45.099 --> 00:47:47.199 raised that question, but I think there's actually 00:47:47.199 --> 00:47:52.840 a lot of very difficult and sort of, yeah, I 00:47:52.840 --> 00:47:54.719 mean, at least to some gruesome areas, but there's 00:47:54.719 --> 00:47:56.239 a lot of sympathy for the Gina Davis character 00:47:56.239 --> 00:47:58.659 in this movie for sure. Yeah. I mean, I don't 00:47:58.659 --> 00:48:01.940 know much about Cronenberg. If he, if his other 00:48:01.940 --> 00:48:05.059 works speak to a sort of misogyny, I think the 00:48:05.059 --> 00:48:09.719 fly had like some of the male characters are 00:48:09.719 --> 00:48:12.300 douchebags, but that's their character. Like 00:48:12.300 --> 00:48:16.559 that's fine. Like, you know, but as, as Gina 00:48:16.559 --> 00:48:19.139 Davis is treated, like you said, I think there's, 00:48:19.139 --> 00:48:20.820 I think she's treated like a strong independent 00:48:20.820 --> 00:48:24.079 woman who's just trying to, you know, do what 00:48:24.079 --> 00:48:25.719 she can and she falls in love with a fly man. 00:48:27.429 --> 00:48:30.829 You do, yeah. She's just a woman trying to survive. 00:48:31.409 --> 00:48:35.190 Yeah. Yeah, for sure. I mean, I don't think it's 00:48:35.190 --> 00:48:38.869 totally... I don't think it's a valid criticism 00:48:38.869 --> 00:48:41.670 to The Fly, personally. No. On the other hand, 00:48:41.690 --> 00:48:43.389 the sequel to this movie, maybe that is a little 00:48:43.389 --> 00:48:45.349 more accurate, but that's a conversation for 00:48:45.349 --> 00:48:48.670 a different time. I am slightly shocked that 00:48:48.670 --> 00:48:52.130 there are as many Fly movies, like, just in total 00:48:52.130 --> 00:48:55.650 in the world as there are. And still not enough, 00:48:55.789 --> 00:49:00.579 in my opinion. I want to watch them all with 00:49:00.579 --> 00:49:04.579 you and just like marathon literally the good, 00:49:04.619 --> 00:49:08.760 the bad, and the campy. Yes, yes. I would love 00:49:08.760 --> 00:49:12.820 to hear what your take on the bad and the fly 00:49:12.820 --> 00:49:15.139 is because I think maybe your response was a 00:49:15.139 --> 00:49:18.860 little more mixed than mine. No, I echo you. 00:49:18.920 --> 00:49:23.969 I think it's so tight that... And it's nitpicking, 00:49:24.110 --> 00:49:27.710 but it does force your mind to make certain narrative 00:49:27.710 --> 00:49:31.349 leaps as they're falling in love, for instance. 00:49:31.570 --> 00:49:35.170 It's like, oh, that happened fast. Or in the 00:49:35.170 --> 00:49:37.750 bar when he literally snaps a man's arm in half 00:49:37.750 --> 00:49:41.409 and there's no consequences. He's just like, 00:49:41.570 --> 00:49:43.949 well, all right, moving on. And no, you would 00:49:43.949 --> 00:49:47.190 be in jail. There would be massive consequences 00:49:47.190 --> 00:49:50.829 to that. but that would be a different movie. 00:49:50.929 --> 00:49:53.170 Like that's not the movie. So, you know, you 00:49:53.170 --> 00:49:56.030 get it, you buy it, you know, suspension of disbelief. 00:49:56.550 --> 00:49:59.650 I'm nitpicking, but yeah, no, there are some 00:49:59.650 --> 00:50:03.530 plot holes for sure. I, uh, yeah, I, I, you know, 00:50:03.530 --> 00:50:05.570 I started to think of it. Like if I was an audience 00:50:05.570 --> 00:50:07.510 member, like watching that other potential movie 00:50:07.510 --> 00:50:09.610 or whatever, like, ah, that would be kind of 00:50:09.610 --> 00:50:11.289 boring. Like, I don't really want to see like 00:50:11.289 --> 00:50:13.070 sort of him in jail for a while or whatever, 00:50:13.170 --> 00:50:15.670 you know? So yeah. Okay. With stuff like that, 00:50:15.730 --> 00:50:18.710 that derails the narrative that we're on completely. 00:50:19.839 --> 00:50:22.460 Yeah. Yeah. That's a, it's a good point for sure. 00:50:22.820 --> 00:50:25.780 Yeah. But that's all I got. I had to struggle 00:50:25.780 --> 00:50:30.599 to find bad things about this movie. And I'm 00:50:30.599 --> 00:50:32.300 happy to hear that since I love this movie so 00:50:32.300 --> 00:50:35.940 much. I guess like it is pretty depressing. I 00:50:35.940 --> 00:50:37.519 guess maybe somebody who wasn't really expecting 00:50:37.519 --> 00:50:39.760 that, like I, you know, I feel like it gets, 00:50:39.760 --> 00:50:41.880 again, I would put this in the good category, 00:50:41.880 --> 00:50:43.460 but I feel like towards the end, it gets a little 00:50:43.460 --> 00:50:47.559 bit into the territory of. There's this great 00:50:47.559 --> 00:50:49.599 line. I wish I remembered it verbatim. But Jeff 00:50:49.599 --> 00:50:53.940 Goldblum basically says, I was a human. Oh, no, 00:50:54.000 --> 00:50:55.960 I was an insect who dreamed he was a human and 00:50:55.960 --> 00:50:58.599 it was beautiful. But then the dream ended and 00:50:58.599 --> 00:51:00.619 the insect awoke. I think the line is something 00:51:00.619 --> 00:51:03.909 like that. My favorite line in the movie. Yeah, 00:51:03.949 --> 00:51:05.949 it's really kind of brutally sad on, like, an 00:51:05.949 --> 00:51:08.630 existential level. Like, are humans any better 00:51:08.630 --> 00:51:11.329 than flies or insects? Or are we all just made 00:51:11.329 --> 00:51:13.170 of, like, the same base impulses or whatever? 00:51:13.349 --> 00:51:15.969 Like, it's a fascinating idea that I think horror 00:51:15.969 --> 00:51:17.849 does really well. And I love that this movie 00:51:17.849 --> 00:51:20.309 goes there. But it is pretty surprisingly bleak 00:51:20.309 --> 00:51:23.369 and depressing. Right. So that's, like, you know, 00:51:23.469 --> 00:51:26.829 this goes into the territory. Like, if it's not 00:51:26.829 --> 00:51:30.090 your cup of tea, that's fine. Because not only 00:51:30.090 --> 00:51:34.170 is it existentially depressing. It's gross. It's 00:51:34.170 --> 00:51:38.989 got a lot of gross -out body horror, which we 00:51:38.989 --> 00:51:43.769 love. It enhances the story we're telling, but 00:51:43.769 --> 00:51:46.389 I could see if you're squeamish, there are some 00:51:46.389 --> 00:51:49.449 rather squeamish moments in this film. Yeah, 00:51:49.510 --> 00:51:52.789 it's not for the light -hearted. No. And I think... 00:51:52.789 --> 00:51:57.869 Like, I can handle it, but man, I was taken aback 00:51:57.869 --> 00:52:02.440 a little bit by some moments. Just how... how 00:52:02.440 --> 00:52:06.800 honestly good the practical effects are. Yeah. 00:52:06.940 --> 00:52:10.380 Yep. Oscar winning, uh, by Chris Wallace. I think 00:52:10.380 --> 00:52:13.579 his name is the makeup effects. Um, yeah, really, 00:52:13.659 --> 00:52:15.940 really great. The fly too. I know I brought it 00:52:15.940 --> 00:52:17.800 up before. It's not a good movie, but it is an 00:52:17.800 --> 00:52:21.139 extremely gory movie. So beware of that whenever 00:52:21.139 --> 00:52:24.059 you do watch it. I'll get there at some point. 00:52:24.880 --> 00:52:29.780 Um, so, so what, so what, let's move on to like 00:52:29.780 --> 00:52:33.369 the downright campy. i got something in mind 00:52:33.369 --> 00:52:35.389 but what do you have in mind something i was 00:52:35.389 --> 00:52:41.250 like really silly and fun just can't be um you 00:52:41.250 --> 00:52:43.690 know i i love the moment when uh he's in full 00:52:43.690 --> 00:52:45.929 -on like transformation mode and his body's falling 00:52:45.929 --> 00:52:49.369 apart and gina davis her character comes over 00:52:49.369 --> 00:52:52.050 to his loft late in the film and he is trying 00:52:52.050 --> 00:52:56.710 to eat a donut and he just vomits onto it And 00:52:56.710 --> 00:52:58.849 it's really gross. And then he looks at her and 00:52:58.849 --> 00:53:00.449 he's like, oh, that's disgusting, which is what 00:53:00.449 --> 00:53:03.170 everybody's thinking, of course. It's such a 00:53:03.170 --> 00:53:06.789 great way to break up the horror and the disgustingness 00:53:06.789 --> 00:53:09.570 of that moment. I don't know. I wouldn't say 00:53:09.570 --> 00:53:11.630 that's campy per se, but it definitely injects 00:53:11.630 --> 00:53:15.610 some sort of silly humor into it, I guess. Oh, 00:53:15.610 --> 00:53:20.190 my God. And it's so needed, too. Yeah. That's 00:53:20.190 --> 00:53:24.070 a good thing about Goldblum's character. He keeps... 00:53:24.400 --> 00:53:28.099 a sense of humor throughout, which again, alleviates 00:53:28.099 --> 00:53:31.360 some of that existential depression. Yeah. Yeah, 00:53:31.440 --> 00:53:34.780 for sure. You have to laugh because what else 00:53:34.780 --> 00:53:36.679 are you going to do? Like, it's just a completely 00:53:36.679 --> 00:53:38.760 miserable otherwise. So yeah, it's much better. 00:53:40.239 --> 00:53:44.119 That was good. I just, I just keep going back 00:53:44.119 --> 00:53:50.059 to where is he getting these baboons? Every time 00:53:50.059 --> 00:53:52.000 you turn around, there's another baboon in the 00:53:52.000 --> 00:53:56.250 laboratory. yeah you gotta feel for him yeah 00:53:56.250 --> 00:53:59.269 i i would you know like there is like a tiny 00:53:59.269 --> 00:54:00.969 bit of explanation because he works for this 00:54:00.969 --> 00:54:03.590 research lab so maybe he's like getting them 00:54:03.590 --> 00:54:05.429 through the lab but you would think at some point 00:54:05.429 --> 00:54:07.489 they're like we're spending thousands of dollars 00:54:07.489 --> 00:54:10.269 on these baboos like they would probably stop 00:54:10.269 --> 00:54:13.349 approving that uh you know him using them for 00:54:13.349 --> 00:54:15.570 his experiments and see actually if this movie 00:54:15.570 --> 00:54:19.369 like we're you know it's so lean this is an example 00:54:19.369 --> 00:54:22.030 of if it was a little bit longer we might have 00:54:22.030 --> 00:54:25.840 a scene where he is picking up the baboon like 00:54:25.840 --> 00:54:30.159 it explains the baboons you know yeah yeah i 00:54:30.159 --> 00:54:32.039 would like to see that for sure yeah because 00:54:32.039 --> 00:54:36.380 otherwise it comes off as you know really campy 00:54:36.380 --> 00:54:40.079 and silly like whoa whoa whoa you don't just 00:54:40.079 --> 00:54:42.340 go to the the pet store and pick up a baboon 00:54:42.340 --> 00:54:46.860 jeff goldblum can apparently like they're not 00:54:46.860 --> 00:54:53.900 dogs or rats he uses Like maybe in a way that 00:54:53.900 --> 00:54:55.880 is kind of like a campy throwback to like old 00:54:55.880 --> 00:54:58.099 mad scientist movies where they did have these 00:54:58.099 --> 00:55:01.119 like strange sets where they just have like potions, 00:55:01.119 --> 00:55:02.760 animals and everything everywhere, you know? 00:55:02.880 --> 00:55:06.800 That's true. Chimpanzees. Sorry, what's that? 00:55:07.420 --> 00:55:10.280 Chimpanzees in cages. Yeah, yeah, right. Exactly. 00:55:10.380 --> 00:55:12.440 Which they do their experiments on. Like I feel 00:55:12.440 --> 00:55:14.800 like for the most part, I think the remake of 00:55:14.800 --> 00:55:16.559 The Fly does a really good job of sort of like 00:55:16.559 --> 00:55:19.679 not being too ironic or like winking or anything 00:55:19.679 --> 00:55:22.579 like that, you know? Little moments like that 00:55:22.579 --> 00:55:25.159 where I think it gives props to its forerunners. 00:55:25.400 --> 00:55:30.159 Yeah, and that's why I love film so much, film 00:55:30.159 --> 00:55:34.840 history. When you consume so many movies, you 00:55:34.840 --> 00:55:38.860 can see those hallmarks of an earlier era, maybe. 00:55:39.699 --> 00:55:42.699 Not everyone will get, but certain people can 00:55:42.699 --> 00:55:46.380 appreciate if they know the forerunners. Yeah. 00:55:46.909 --> 00:55:49.070 Yeah, for sure. This is the diversion, but I 00:55:49.070 --> 00:55:50.449 know you and I were talking about the remake 00:55:50.449 --> 00:55:54.070 of The Blob recently. A good example of that, 00:55:54.090 --> 00:55:56.530 too. I love the remake of The Blob way more than 00:55:56.530 --> 00:55:59.429 I thought I would. It comments on the original 00:55:59.429 --> 00:56:02.829 in some pretty cool ways. Yeah. I feel like as 00:56:02.829 --> 00:56:06.449 I've been doing this series and just Camp Kaiju 00:56:06.449 --> 00:56:11.530 in general, the 1980s, there was clearly a phase 00:56:11.530 --> 00:56:15.510 where they wanted to remake 50s movies. Cause 00:56:15.510 --> 00:56:17.690 you have this, the fly, the blob, the thing. 00:56:18.570 --> 00:56:20.389 There was an invasion of the body snatchers in 00:56:20.389 --> 00:56:22.809 the late seventies, but you can throw that in. 00:56:23.389 --> 00:56:27.130 Yeah. It was just like, let's, let's remake our 00:56:27.130 --> 00:56:29.929 favorite movies that we grew up on. But now that 00:56:29.929 --> 00:56:34.230 we have like real effects to pull off, you know 00:56:34.230 --> 00:56:36.829 what they were trying to do back then. Yeah. 00:56:37.190 --> 00:56:38.909 And are maybe a little bit more willing to go 00:56:38.909 --> 00:56:41.309 into like the dark subject matter that like, 00:56:41.369 --> 00:56:43.590 I just sort of like hint at a little bit more, 00:56:43.630 --> 00:56:46.590 you know? Right. Yeah, it's cool to see. And 00:56:46.590 --> 00:56:48.590 I, you know, with the thing, I love John Carpenter. 00:56:50.610 --> 00:56:52.829 What was the, sorry, you just mentioned another 00:56:52.829 --> 00:56:54.829 remake, which I totally forget now. You mentioned, 00:56:54.909 --> 00:56:58.269 oh, Envision of the Body Snatchers. Yeah. If 00:56:58.269 --> 00:57:00.510 I remember right, that late 70s one was by Don 00:57:00.510 --> 00:57:02.289 Siegel. I could be wrong about that, but he's 00:57:02.289 --> 00:57:04.889 like a good action thriller suspense director. 00:57:05.110 --> 00:57:08.530 So, you know, normally I'm like not into remakes 00:57:08.530 --> 00:57:11.610 or sequels all that much like nowadays, but those 00:57:11.610 --> 00:57:14.489 80s horror movies, like I, it's maybe my favorite. 00:57:14.880 --> 00:57:19.260 category of movie. Yeah. Yeah. It's a really 00:57:19.260 --> 00:57:23.219 fascinating time. I think in movie making. Yeah. 00:57:24.059 --> 00:57:27.320 Well, my friend, is there anything else? I think 00:57:27.320 --> 00:57:32.940 we should like give our final summation. You 00:57:32.940 --> 00:57:35.440 know, I think this movie is a classic. I think 00:57:35.440 --> 00:57:38.599 it stands the test of time because of these themes, 00:57:38.739 --> 00:57:43.280 these universal themes, love, loss, aging, female 00:57:43.280 --> 00:57:47.739 empowerment. surprisingly you know women's body 00:57:47.739 --> 00:57:53.440 rights um i think it says a lot and still manages 00:57:53.440 --> 00:58:00.579 to to um to wink a little bit at the the fun 00:58:00.579 --> 00:58:07.320 cheesiness that it's inherently made of yeah 00:58:07.320 --> 00:58:10.769 i totally agree um It's definitely its own thing, 00:58:10.869 --> 00:58:12.610 while it is kind of like taking this sort of 00:58:12.610 --> 00:58:15.050 well -known story and sort of envisioning what 00:58:15.050 --> 00:58:17.349 would happen if this actually played out in human 00:58:17.349 --> 00:58:21.449 terms, if a man became a fly. It's such a smart 00:58:21.449 --> 00:58:25.570 movie. It's really, like you said before, visually 00:58:25.570 --> 00:58:27.670 understated, but it builds this atmosphere of 00:58:27.670 --> 00:58:31.070 dread so well. There's just a lot of blacks and 00:58:31.070 --> 00:58:33.949 silvers and sort of muted colors. Great performances. 00:58:35.299 --> 00:58:37.579 You know, I know that when this movie came out, 00:58:37.599 --> 00:58:39.300 it was sort of read as an allegory for AIDS, 00:58:39.420 --> 00:58:41.320 which I think is really interesting because it's 00:58:41.320 --> 00:58:43.980 about in 86. And it is definitely about sort 00:58:43.980 --> 00:58:46.440 of, you know, the breakdown that a human body 00:58:46.440 --> 00:58:49.199 undergoes during disease. And that can extend 00:58:49.199 --> 00:58:51.519 to any situation where, you know, a loved one 00:58:51.519 --> 00:58:54.880 is going through a serious illness. So there's 00:58:54.880 --> 00:58:58.099 so much to this movie. In lieu of rambling about 00:58:58.099 --> 00:58:59.900 it more, I'll just say that it will always be 00:58:59.900 --> 00:59:01.719 one of my favorite horror movies and it's a pleasure 00:59:01.719 --> 00:59:05.130 to talk about. Excellent. Well, I can't wait 00:59:05.130 --> 00:59:08.789 to talk about more. Let me know, like come October, 00:59:08.889 --> 00:59:10.710 if you want to, if you want to get together for 00:59:10.710 --> 00:59:14.369 cat people, I'd love to do that. And it's sequels. 00:59:15.010 --> 00:59:18.030 Yeah, man. Thanks so much. Thank you. I look 00:59:18.030 --> 00:59:19.650 forward to talking to you next time. All right. 00:59:19.829 --> 00:59:22.929 Get out of here and I'll wrap up. All right. 00:59:22.929 --> 00:59:27.820 See you later. Thank you. Okay. Bye. Bye. Wow. 00:59:27.960 --> 00:59:30.800 And thank you all for hanging out with me and 00:59:30.800 --> 00:59:34.159 Matt. We talked about The Fly, David Cronenberg's 00:59:34.159 --> 00:59:37.579 1986 classic. Matt and I were both in accordance 00:59:37.579 --> 00:59:42.780 on that one. It says so much universally that 00:59:42.780 --> 00:59:46.119 I think just is as relevant today as it is in 00:59:46.119 --> 00:59:49.719 the 80s. So do check that one out. If you see 00:59:49.719 --> 00:59:52.400 any of the sequels, you know, hit me up and let 00:59:52.400 --> 00:59:54.340 me know. Those are definitely on my to watch 00:59:54.340 --> 00:59:58.809 list. In the meantime, next week, I will be chatting 00:59:58.809 --> 01:00:02.369 about The Thing, John Carpenter's 1982 classic, 01:00:02.590 --> 01:00:06.889 with a very special guest, a friend of mine from 01:00:06.889 --> 01:00:10.969 the Mysterious Old Radio Listening Society, which 01:00:10.969 --> 01:00:14.170 is an awesome podcast where they kind of do this 01:00:14.170 --> 01:00:18.969 sort of format with old -timey radio, and specifically 01:00:18.969 --> 01:00:22.389 horror radio. So my buddy there is very familiar 01:00:22.389 --> 01:00:25.400 with The Thing and love crafty and horror. I'm 01:00:25.400 --> 01:00:29.360 very excited to feature him on Camp Kaiju. So 01:00:29.360 --> 01:00:32.980 thank you so much. Like, follow, engage. There's 01:00:32.980 --> 01:00:37.260 a link to the merch in my bio. You can get this 01:00:37.260 --> 01:00:40.139 shirt if you want. Not this one, but maybe another 01:00:40.139 --> 01:00:43.760 one. 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Camp Kaiju is recorded in Minneapolis, 01:01:21.150 --> 01:01:23.869 St. Paul with Meanie's Mailbox music by Ben Cook 01:01:23.869 --> 01:01:26.809 -Felts. Thank you, friends, and until next time, 01:01:26.929 --> 01:01:32.409 stay campy. How does Brundlefly eat? Well, he 01:01:32.409 --> 01:01:33.929 found out the hard and painful way that he's 01:01:33.929 --> 01:01:36.230 very much the way a fly eats. His teeth are now 01:01:36.230 --> 01:01:39.309 useless because although he can chew up solid 01:01:39.309 --> 01:01:42.579 food, he can't digest it. Solid food. Hurts. 01:01:42.579 --> 01:01:46.199 So, like a fly, a brundle fly breaks down solids 01:01:46.199 --> 01:01:50.280 with a corrosive enzyme, playfully called vomit 01:01:50.280 --> 01:01:54.420 drop. He regurgitates on his food, it liquefies, 01:01:54.559 --> 01:01:58.679 and then he sucks it back up. Ready for a demonstration, 01:01:58.940 --> 01:02:08.099 kids? Here goes. Oh, my God. My God.